BCC Minutes 03/10/1993 J (w/Naples City Council)~7
City Council Chamber
73:5 Eighth Street South
Naples, Florida 33940
City Council/County Commi~icners Special Joint Meeting - March 10, 1993 - 9:00 a.m.
Ma~or' Muenzer called the meeting to order and p'resided..
ROLL CALL
Present:
crrY OF NAPLES
Paul W. Muenzer, Mayor
Fred L. Sullivan, Vice Mayor
COLLIER COUNTY
Bun I.. Saunders, Chairman
Council Members:
Klm Anderson (Left at 10:15 a.m.)
P~ ~eph Herms
Alan R. Korest
Ronald M. Pennington
Peter H. Van Arsdale
Commissioners:
Timothy Constantine
Bettye Matthews
John Norris
Michael J. Volpe
Also Present:
Dr. Richard L. Woodruff, City Manager
W. Neil Dorrill, County Manager
Maria I. Chiaxo, City Attorney
Norris Ijams, Collier County Emergency Services Dh'.
William Harrison, Finance Director
Fire Chief Tom Smith
~n Staiger, Ph.D., Natural Resources Manager
Susan Golden, Planner I
Jeff Perry, Metropolitan Planning Organization Coord.
Thomas E. Conrecode, Director
Office of Capital Projects Management
George Henderson, Sergeant-At-Arms
Marilyn McCord, Deputy City Clerk
Tom O'Riley
Wemer H. Haardt
Robert Noble
Charles Andrews
Egon Hill
Max Hasse
Michael F. Stephen
Brad Estes
Other interested citizens
and visitors.
ITEM 2
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INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Kim Anderson, Council Member
ITEM
ITEMS TO BE ADDED
No items were added to the agenda.
Nolq~.
ANNOUNCEMENTS
ITEM 4
ITEM
UPDATE ON THE GORDON RIVER BRIDGE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT
AND ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY.
· Coordinator of the Metropolitan Planning Organization (MPO) Jeff Perry addressed Council. Mr.
Perry reviewed the County's estimated population growth and described the process used to
calculate those estimates. He agreed with Commissioner Volpe that the County was
approximately 25% developed at this time.
Mr. Perry told the group that as a result of the Project Development and Environmental (PD&E)
Study, the consultant was reviewing five different alignments for a new Gordon River bridge.
He described the individual alignments and said that actual physical connections would be studied
in the second phase of the Study.· The Patai.lqaw Analysis will determine if any of the
alignments could not be used. Some problems are anticipated because of aviation issues: lVlr.
Perry reported that the current phase of the Study will culminate at the end of April with the
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Fatal Flaw Report, then it will be necessary for the City and County to make a decision whether
or not to proceed with the second phase. The second phase will include a financial analysis. The
consultant is investigating various fund opportunities. At the completion of phase two, said l~Lr.
Perry, the consultant will be able to report on funding and on the best alignment.
Council Member Herms announced that representatives of the Florida Department of
Transportation (D.O.T.) have requested that any elected officials in the community who care to
express a preference as to the bridge alignment get involved with the process.
The group discussed at length the widening of the existing Gordon River bridge and Mr. Perry
reported that additional traffic information has been requested from the D.O.T. This issue will
probably be scheduled for a public hearing of the M.P.O, Mr. Perry said that the M.P.O. traffic
analysis was accomplished with the use of the computer model. He commented, "People quickly
find another route when traffic is disrupted."
Council Member Pennington expressed his concern that all necessary elements, including a finite
capacity for traffic, were not included in the Study. Mr. Perry explained that the 2010 Study
rakes into consideration potential growth in all areas. He said that the City's population would
not,change drastically in the future, however in some areas there will be additional employment
numbers to consider.
Mr. Perry stated that the M.P.O. has recommended that a local group of financial experts be
established to discuss funding options. It was the consensus of Council and the Board of
Commissioners that the City_ and County. staffs will meet as a _croup and review all potential
funding alternatives, then report back to Council and to the County_ Commission.
BREAK: 10:00 a.m. - 10:10 a.m.
ITEM 6
EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT--RECOMMENDATION
TO REPLACE CURRENT ANNUAL AD VALOREM TAX SUBSIDY WITH A
COUNTY-WIDE UTILITY TAX AND/OR ASSESSMENT,
Emergency Medical Services (EMS) Administrative Manager Bill Griffin reported that since
December 9, 1992 the County and City staffs had worked closely on this project in order to
determine whether funding of EMS is a viable alternative. He said that staff believes there is a
methodology by which to determine annual EMS costs. There is also data available within the
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County that can be used for a feasibility study. In order to use the data and report on a
reasonable County-wide service charge, said Mr. Griffin, some commitment to resources would
be necessary. He reviewed the project work schedule, which would take approximately eighteen
months to complete.
The various options proposed were discussed. Chairman Saunders suggested that one objective
should be to discourage non-essential use of the ~:rvice. If there is a bill involved, no matter
how small, he said, abuse of the service will not occur. City Manager Woodruff reminded
everyone that some residential units do not pay ad valorem property taxes. For example, a
church does not pay property tax. Dr. Woodruff asked the Council and Commission if the joint
staffs should proceed with this matter.
Commissioner Volpe stated, "This discussion was precipitated by the City...that your restdenfs
were paying a disportionate amount for EMS service. I'm not sure whether this gets to that issue
of tax equity." Dr. Woodruff explained that the proposed changes would transfer the EMS charge
so that anyone who is a component of the community would be paying toward the service.
Council Member Korest said that he would support an annual fee and a transport charge based
on an analysis of impacts to everyone in the County.
Public Input:
Bob Boyer, 4180 Coconut Circle
Mr. Boycr introduced himself as thc "devil's advocate" and commented that Ms calculations did
not agree with staffs. Apparently, he said, EMS users arc paying too much for thc service. He
suggested considering the usc of an independent company that handles non-emergency transport.
Mr. Boyer asked, "Am we getting our true service for our $4.2 million? I came here to address
the issue. I am a County resident. Where do we stop our taxation'/" He suggested using
simplified mathematics and simplified collections. Mr. Boycr also suggested utilizing basic life
support instead of always utilizing emergency life support procedures.
Egon Hill, 430 Putter Point Court
Mr. Hill, EMS Advisory Board Member for the past eleven years, said that this issue comes up
every few years and is never resolved. He asked why no one ever questioned f'ue or police
protection. Mr. Hill said that in his opinion a minimum fee should be charged, for example
$150.00, with the remainder paid by the government.
Max Hasse, former County Commissioner
Mr. Hass~ told the group, "I think you're on the right track, I think you should continue the work
until you come up with equitable answers. The property owner should not be the bearer of all
the expenses here; you have to consider renters, visitors, etc. You need to consider all of those
aspects, review further, and ensure everything is equitable for the entire County."
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MOTION:
Staff should proceed with the next phase
of study. (Volpe/Matthews)
This vote was by acclamation
and not by roll call. All
Members of the County
Commission voted in the
aff'u'rnafive.
MOTION:
Staff should proceed to obtain additional
information with respect to Option "B."
Anderson A
~ Herms M Y
Korest Y
Pennington S Y
Sullivan Y
VanAxsdale Y
Muenzer Y
(c~o)
' M=Motion S=Second
Y=Yes N=No A=Absent
ITEM 7
DISCUSSION OF BEACH RENOURISHMENT PROGRAM AND CONTRACT
WITH COASTAL.ENGINEERING
Director of the Office of Capital Projects Management, Thomas E. Co~ecode, distributed data
to the Council Members and County Commissioners (available in the original meeting file in the
City Clerk's Office). Mr. Conrecode acknowledged members of the Tourist Development Council
(TDC) in the audience. He then reviewed the history of the local beach renoufishment program
and the establishment of the Beach Renourishmen~aintenance Committee in February, 1991.
Mr. Conrecode further noted that upon approval of the TDC referendum on November 4, 1992,
the Beach Renourishment/Maintenance Committee recommended that the TDC tax be the
designated funding source for this program and requested that an agreement be entered into with
Coastal Engineering Consultants, Inc. to implement the next phase of the project. The agreement
will be considered atthe March 16, 1992 County Commission Meeting.
Coastal Engineering's designated project chairman, Michael Stephen, presented an overview of
the project. He explained that it is a design project, the objective of which is to provide a
detailed set of plans. Coastal Engineering representatives are meeting monthly with the Beach
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Renourishment/Maintenance Committee to review and assess the surveyed information. At the
end of twelve months, Coastal Engineering will present to Council and the Commission a set of
drawings with costs that provide specific designs and options, the extent of project limits,
auxiliary structures, etc. The TDC funding covers a ten year time frame and deals with the
maintenance of the existing shore lines.
Mr. Stephen reviewed the proposed fill areas and said that the project will be divided into four
basic area~: The Pier south and Gordon Pass, the Pier north and Doctors Pass, the Park Shore
area, and the Vanderbilt area~ He also addressed the concept of identifying a viable sand source,
which is a critical part of the program.
Next Mr. Stephen described the permitting process, which involves a combination of overlapping
jurisdictions and review by several governmental agencies, including the Army Corps of
Engineers, the Department of Natural Resources and the Department of Environmental
Regulations. Mr. Stephen commented, "The purpose of virtually every one of the fundamental
steps in terms of mapping the underwater area will enable us to prepare a document that will be
suf~cient to begin to address these agencies and their requirements. We will meet throughout
the project with these agencies.'
The project budget was reviewed. Mr. Stephen noted that approximately $2.1 million annually
will be available in funding from the TDC tax. He said that the primary objective is that this
project be funded solely by TDC funds. It is es~mated that by 1996 fundamental structural
improvements can begin, including removal of groins and renovation to storrnwater facilities.
Public Input:
Frank Blumeyer, 4144 Gonlon Drive
Mr. Biumeyer, Member of the Beach Maintenance/Renourishment Committee, addressed the
group. He referred to himself as the unofficial representative of those people who live on the
beach and said, "! invite you to come down at any time to see the beach. We still have more
than we need. Groins did solve the erosion problem. In 1980 another beach renourishment
committee hired engineers and a decision was made to eliminate some of the rotted groins. Now
many areas have no beach at all. At one time we considered building groins ourselves but we
were told we had to cooperate with the City and County. Nothing will happen without your
support." Mr. Blumeyer stated that if approved, groins would save the community millions of
dollars. However, he said, a joint effort is imperative.
Council Member Herms announced that he had done some research and had contacted a few
companies to determine the cost of trucking in some high quality sand. He reported that the cost
for trucking sand from a Labelle, Florida site to Vanderbilt Beach or Park Shore would be
between $8.00 and $9.00 per yard, for a very high quality material. Mr. Herms provided samples
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of the sand available as well as sand from the Third Avenue North beach. He asked the Council
and the Commission to consider his information in their discussions and suggested, "Go to the
staff level and do the 'hot spots.' Renourish small areas."
Council Member Pennington noted that all available methods are part of the consultant's
investigation. Chairman Saunders requested that Mr. Stephen be prepared at the March 16th
County Commission Meeting to report on how a la:,d-based sand source would interface with the
beach renourishment project. ..
ITEM g
DISCUSSION OF NEON SIGNS
It was the consensus of the Council and the Commission to delay Item 8 until the next Joint
City/County Meeting. ,
ITEM
ZONING OVERLAY AT CITY/COUNTY BOUNDARIES TO ELIMINATE
TWO SETS OF ZONING REGULATIONS ALONG ONE STREET
It was the consensus of the Council and the Commission to delay Item 9 until the next
City/Coun~ Meeting.
ITEM 10
UPDATE ON STATE HOUSING INITIATIVES PARTNERSHIP (S.H. LP.)
Planner Susan Golden distributed information pertaining to the poverty rate in the City and
County and on income targeted groups (available in the original meeting file in the City Clerk's
Office). Ms. Golden announced that communities not meeting the State Housing Initiatives
Partnership (S.H-I.P.) deddline face the potential loss of available funds. She said that staff
would recommend adoption of a County ordinance and an interlocal agreement for the
implementation of the S.H.I.P. program and its funding allocation.
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MOTION:
MOTION:
None.
None.
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County staff should proceed with drafting
of an ordinance and an interlocal
agreement for the implementation of the
S.H.I.P. program and its funding
allocation, and the advertising of such an
ordinance. (Volpe/Norris)
This vote was by acclamation
and not by roll call. All
Members of the County
Commission voted in the
affirmative.
City staff should proceed to work with the
County staff in drafting an ordinance and
an interlocal agreement for the
implementation of the S.H2.P. program
and its funding allocation.
Ander~an
Herms S Y
Korest Y
Pennington M Y
Sullivan Y
VanArsdale Y
Muenzer Y
(6-0)
M=Mofion S=Second
Y=Yes N=No A=Absent
A
CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATIONS
OPEN PUBLIC INPUT
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ADJOURN: 12'.55 p.m.
Janet Cnson
City Clerk
PAUL W. MUENZER, MAYOR
Marilyn McCord
Deputy City Clerk
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