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BCC Minutes 05/25/2011 J (w/School Board)BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS . THE COLLIER COUNTY DISTRICT SCHOOL BOARD JOINT MEETING MINUTES MAY 259 2011 May 25, 2011 TRANSCRIPT OF THE JOINT MEETING OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THE COLLIER COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD Naples, Florida May 25, 2011 LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Collier County Commissioners, in and fo; the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on this date at 9:00 a.m. in SPECIAL SESSION in Building "F" of the Government Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the following members present: Chairman: Fred Coyle Jim Coletta Donna Fiala Tom Henning Georgia Hiller Collier County District School Board: Barbara Berry Pat Carroll Kathleen Curatolo Roy Terry ALSO PRESENT: Jeffrey Klatzkow, County Attorney Leo E. Ochs, Jr., County Manager Gary Brown, Interim Superintendent Tom Eastman, Real Property Director, School District Page 1 Collier County Board of County Commissioners District School Board of Collier County Joint Meeting Agenda May 25, 20119:00 AM Board of County Commissioners Chambers 3299 Tamiami Trail East, 3`d Floor Naples, FL 34112 1. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance 2. Athletic Field Availability and Rental Rates 3. Early Learning Coalition Local Match Funding Consideration 4. Westclox Road Extension in Immokalee S. Update on Plantation Island Road Maintenance 6. Potential Use of Schools as Polling Places (Supervisor of Elections issue) T 7. Discussion Regarding the Potential Co- location of a New Fire Station on the Grounds of the Palmetto Elementary School 8. Public Comment (please submit speaker slip; limited to 3 minutes) 9. Adjourn NOTICE: All persons wishing to speak on Agenda items must register prior to speaking. Speakers must register with the Executive Manager to the BCC. prior to presentation of the Agenda item to be addressed All registered speakers will receive up to three (3) minutes unless the time is adjusted by the chairman. Collier Cc Ordinance No. 03 -53 as amended by ordinance 04 -05 & 07 -24, requires that all lobbyists shall, before engaging in any lobbying activities (including but not limited to, addressing the Board of County Commissioners), register with the Clerk to the Board at the Board Minutes and Records Department. May 25, 2011 CHAIRMAN COYLE: Ladies and gentlemen, the workshop meeting between the district School Board and the Board of County Commissioners is now in session. Would you please stand with me for the Pledge of Allegiance. (Pledge of Allegiance was recited in unison.) CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you. County Manager, are you going to be our moderator today? COUNTY MANAGER OCHS: Yes, sir. Good morning, Commissioners, and members of the School Board; it's great to see everyone here this morning. Dr. Brown and I have worked on a joint agenda here, based on input from individual School Board members and commissioner interest, and also any staff issues that we thought would merit the attention of this group this morning. So without further ado, Mr. Chairman, we can move right into the first item on the agenda, if you'd like -- CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. COUNTY MANAGER OCHS: -- unless you want to go through some introductions for the public's benefit. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, we can do that. Why don't we start with Ms. Berry and we'll go around the table. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: I'm Barbara Berry, School Board, District 3. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Commissioner Georgia Hiller, Collier County Commission, District 2. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: Kathy Curatolo, School Board member. COMMISSIONER FIALA: Donna Fiala, County Commission, District 1. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CARROLL: Pat Carroll, School Board, District 1. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Fred Coyle, County Commissioner, Page 2 May 25, 2011 District 4. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: Roy Terry, School Board Member, District 5. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Jim Coletta, Collier County Commissioner, District 5. INTERIM SUPERINTENDENT BROWN: Gary Brown. I'm the Interim Superintendent for Collier County Public Schools. Item #2 ATHLETIC FIELD AVAILABILITY AND RENTAL RATES — MOTION SUPPORTING STAFF'S REQUEST TO WORK WITH SCHOOL BOARD STAFF REGARDING FEE STRUCTURE, AND TO SEEK OTHER OPPORTUNITIES EXPANDING CAPACITY VIA INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS — APPROVED COUNTY MANAGER OCHS: And I'm Leo Ochs, County Manager. So thank you. The first item this morning is a brief discussion on athletic field availability and utilization. Both of the staffs and both the School Board and the County Commission own and operate athletic fields. We have joint use agreements that have been very, very beneficial to our Parks and Rec Department, and hopefully to the School District over the years. We do have some differences in some of the rental rates, and we just wanted to take a minute to brief both boards on those issues and ultimately seek some direction for both staffs to continue to pursue ultimately a rate schedule on both entities that will help to maximize and optimize the use of all of the public facilities for the benefit of the community. I believe Barry Williams, our Parks and Recreation Director, will present initially. Page 3 May 25, 2011 MR. WILLIAMS: Good morning. Barry Williams, Parks and Recreation Director. Mr. Ochs, thank you very much. And Commissioners, School Board Members, thank you for the opportunity just to speak to you about this issue. I think we've included in your packet just an executive summary that kind of outlined the issue for us. And let me just start by saying, we have a wonderful relationship with the School Board. We appreciate it a great deal. We have interlocal agreements at 10 school sites where we're able to use the public facility the school has, the green space, the athletic fields for the public's use when school's out, and so that has been a wonderful relationship. I think for us what we're seeing and what we're beginning to see is in some instances some overutilization issues for us. And what we've had is a number of youth sports organizations that operate in Collier County that come to us. And I was talking to Ms. Carroll prior to the meeting just, you know, part of the issue that we think is the rates that we're charging, and we gave an example of our cosponsored youth organizations. We charge a dollar per child per week. That's a highly subsidized rate. And it works out to about three dollars an hour for rental of the field. So what we see is that we are -- when youth organizations are looking at the potential of playing in a public facility, whether it's a school or a park, you know, we certainly come in as a bargain for folks. But what that's causing we think is just that overutilization issue. So what we wanted to do this morning was just to request from the Commission and the School Board the opportunity for us to work with staff on the School Board to look at developing some parity with the rate system where having a lesser rate, if you will, on the parks side won't necessarily cause everybody to run and try to utilize the fields where we don't have capacity. Page 4 May 25, 2011 So with that, if I can, I'd just like to stop and see if there's any questions that you might have or any concerns that you might have. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: I have a question about a cost analysis. I'd like to know what the cost is, particularly from the School District side, so that we ensure we cover the cost but make it available to the community. INTERIM SUPERINTENDENT BROWN: We have Mr. Eastman here I think that can speak somewhat to that question, and review briefly what our fee structure is. MR. EASTMAN: Our field rates are listed in our administrative procedure, which is available on line. It's 75.10. And our costs are reflective to -- we don't look at these uses as a profit center. The costs are designed to just recoup the cost. Utilities, lights, many of the activities have field lights, and we charge for those so that we're not subsidizing the event. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: Thank you. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CARROLL: Barry, if I understand your concerns, you would like to bring the usage fees in line, whether it's School Board or the Commission status; you want them somehow in line with one another. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: Yes, ma'am. And I think that -- I think if we had the opportunity to work with School Board staff, we don't want to create a fee system that is more or less than what the School Board would be. But if we were on parity, we think that that would help the area's youth but at the same time be a fair representation for the taxpayers in terms of covering costs. So that was the thought process. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, I'm interested in the same issue that Ms. Curatolo is interested in. Are our fees in any way based upon recouping the cost of maintaining the fields? SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: I would have to say it's a subsidized exercise that we have now with the dollar per child per Page 5 May 25, 2011 week. It's a $3.00 per hour, so in no way are we covering our cost. It's been a fee that we've had for as long as I can remember. I've been in the position about five years, so -- we haven't raised it. The recession kind of chilled some of the discussion for us, you know, in looking at raising the fee, not wanting to hurt folk, but at the same time it's a highly subsidized rate. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, I think we need to find out what it cost us to maintain the fields. Because if you're implying that we are suffering somewhat by the fact that people are migrating to our fields because we charge less money for use, then it's a self - imposed problem -- MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, sir. CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- and I think we need to deal with that. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: Commissioner Hiller. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Well, I'd like to make a motion to support your request, that you have the ability to work with the School Board staff to find out, you know, what can be done to achieve parity between the pricing between the two systems. Again, you know, depending on what the fields are and, you know, what the uses are. There might be different rates for different fields for different uses. I'm not sure if that would be a fair assessment. So I'd like to make a motion to support your request. COMMISSIONER FIALA: And I'll second that motion and I have a question. Do we, the county, ever maintain fields for the school system? I remember at one time we used to do that. I don't know if we still do. And if we do, that certainly should be taken into consideration as well. Because if -- and we're subsidizing the school system. MR. WILLIAMS: Just to answer your question, we have arrangements, a master and a local agreement with the School Board, the Board of County Commissioners, and we have separate interlocal agreements for 10 school sites, I believe it is, where we manage the May 25, 2011 fields, the green space. And in return, what the School Board provides for the public is the use of those fields after 3:30 after schools out and on the weekends and in the summertime. We rent those fields based on our fee schedule to the public. And so again, that fee schedule is a lesser amount than what the School Board would have normally charged. COMMISSIONER FIALA: And secondly, while you are negotiating this or discussing this at length, I think we also have to determine what impact it will make on the children in our community, especially those that are in the lower income bracket. We don't want them out sitting at the mall or, you know, on street corners, we'd prefer them to be in a wholesome activity playing ball. And so we have to also take that into consideration, maybe even working with the Sheriffs Office as the two organizations work together and including the S.O. (At which time, Commissioner Henning enters the Boardroom.) MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, ma'am. And we can work with the youth force organizations as well in terms of talking to them about looking at this issue. And you're very correct; we don't want to create something that, you know, causes these youth organizations not to participate. That is very important. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Coletta? COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Thank you. Commissioner Fiala's bringing up a very good point. We didn't get to where we were with our rate structure by just setting what the actual cost was. Remember, we subsidized the libraries, we subsidized a whole bunch of different things out there, public use. I mean, we have beach passes to be able to get our public to the beaches. And we also, we have recognized over the years that the children of this community have to be served. And if we're going to try to Page 7 May 25, 2011 balance it out to a cost factor, then I can assure you the only children in this community that will be served will be those that come from fairly well -to -do families. Anyone know from the school system how many children are on subsidized lunches? Maybe that can give us some idea what the economic situation is we're dealing with. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: It's over 50 percent. But I don't think -- I think we need to look at the cost analysis. Not that that should be the only criterion, but at least look at the cost and then look at the use of the fields and then have staff creatively discuss how we provide the opportunities for all children within this community. But without the cost analysis as part of that puzzle, I don't think that we can move beyond where we are. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And I agree with -- SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: And I just wanted to make the clarification on that. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: You need to know where you are before you can go forward. But we have to keep the human element forward at all times, and we have to provide something in the way of affordability for this product that we're offering. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller and then Mr. Terry. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Kathy, have you noticed as a result of the fees that you're charging that children are being deprived from the use of the field because the cost is prohibited? Because Commissioner Coletta is suggesting that the rates -- it would seem to me the implication is that the rates you're charging is serving to exclude anyone other than children that come from wealthy homes. And I would find that hard to believe that the School Board would adopt a policy that would, you know, exclude children. May 25, 2011 SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: First of all, that would be a staff question -- COMMISSIONER HILLER: Right, so let's -- SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: -- and not a question for me. But I will say this -- COMMISSIONER HILLER: But from a policy standpoint. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: -- that our primary objective -- and other board members may also want to have something to say about this -- is to provide sports activities for the children that attend each of those schools. It's a part of the holistic approach that we take to learning. So that is our primary objective. And to my knowledge we serve our students quite well in that arena across the district. COMMISSIONER HILLER: So asking staff, you know, with the same question, do you find that your rates are serving to exclude the population that you're intending to serve, or do you find the rates to be fair and reasonable? And of course, you know, you obviously know how many children use your fields and, you know, the population of children that use those fields, so I'm sure you've analyzed that carefully. MR. EASTMAN: I don't think it would be fair to say that we're preventing the children from using the fields. We actually have an exception that allows for no fee to be charged when it is children using the fields and the people organizing the event are unpaid volunteers. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Okay. MR. EASTMAN: It's really the adults that are being paid as coaches, they -- and then they can also get an exception where they would receive a half rate as well. So we have exceptions to serve the children. COMMISSIONER HILLER: That's great. So you have mechanisms in place to take care of children that come from homes that are economically disadvantaged over other families? .,_.. May 25, 2011 MR. EASTMAN: That's not in the policy. But what is in the policy and the procedure is the promotion of youth events, be it sporting or academic. And the people that pay are the people that are organizing the event that are making money for themselves. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Oh, I see. MR. EASTMAN: When it's strictly volunteer, those events, there is no charge. COMMISSIONER HILLER: So the situation that Commissioner Coletta is describing does not occur because of the structure that you have in place the way you describe it. MR. EASTMAN: I don't think that -- I think that there's a need potentially for more capacity, as I hear from Barry Williams. And that fact that there's a need for more capacity even in -- in every area, the Immokalee area as well, shows and is evidence that it's highly utilized and available. We have kids playing and doing these types of activities extensively. COMMISSIONER HILLER: So your rate structure is not prohibiting that. MR. EASTMAN: I would say it is not prohibiting that. COMMISSIONER HILLER: That's exactly what I thought. Because I would imagine that families would be upset and would verbalize that if that were the case. The other question I have is with respect to the number of fields. We have 10 interlocal agreements? MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, Commissioner. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Is there any way to expand that? I mean, how many fields are actually available that the school has, and could we expand the number of interlocal agreements to allow for more parks -- or more of your fields to be used as parks? MR. EASTMAN: There certainly is an opportunity with any new facility. We attempt and are doing a much better job of trying to coordinate with Parks and Rec to hear what their needs are. Page 10 May 25, 2011 An example of that would be some of the potential new DRI's, like the Town of Big Cypress, we would potentially have new school sites there. We would work with Parks and Rec to see what their needs are. They would also receive park facilities based upon those. But even outside of the DRI context, any new school we work with Parks and Rec to see what their needs are. We don't always match entirely. The design of the school is for school, first and foremost and for Parks and Rec, secondarily, if it doesn't interrupt with our operations. COMMISSIONER HILLER: And I just don't have the history, so I just want to understand. Do we have interlocal agreements with all your fields, or just a select number of the fields that currently exist? MR. EASTMAN: Just a select number. And those are fields that have been chosen by Parks and Rec for a large part. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Barry, is there potential to expand that relationship? SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: Well, I think we do work very closely with the schools to look at potential sites that meet the need of the recreational needs of the community. So a part of this discussion, if we were directed, we could look at existing sites to see if there were others that might fit into that criteria. Tom mentioned though that we often will look at the new sites as having the best potential versus existing, but I think it's a great suggestion for us to look at existing and see if there's some opportunities that might be worth pursuing further. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Then I'd like to amend my motion and add that to the scope of your cooperative study, to see what other opportunities are. Because there is a great deal of demand, and whatever our structure is right now is not serving that. So if we can expand the total capacity by, you know, creating more interlocal agreements, I think it would be mutually beneficial, if cost permits. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Just a moment. Page 11 May 25, 2011 Does the second agree with the modification motion? COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Mr. Terry? COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: I think this is really a great example of why we're having this meeting today. I think we need to make sure that all of our entities in the county work together to determine what's best for the children of our district. There are some communities that can afford things a lot better than other communities, but at the same time we have a responsibility to the taxpayer to make sure that we aren't just giving the facilities away. There's upkeep, there's lighting in some facilities, for instance, and things that need to be done to take care of the fields so that we have safe fields for our children to play on. And I think the important thing here, and I would go along with the motion, I think that we need to have both entities look at their field system and then compensation schedule and come up with some ideas on how we can work together better to make more fields available, if that's possible, and also get the fee structure where it's at least reasonably close or in line with each other. I think that one of the problems now is that the county is subsidizing a lot of their fee structure. We aren't necessarily, we're going by what it cost for us to put a field together and put children on a field. And I think if we can bring those closer together, we can spread the use of fields out across the county and have a lot better system. So I would go along with the motion. But I think before we even have that meeting, each entity needs to sit down and determine costs and need to determine what they want in terms of fields for students to play on and children to play on and then come together in a meeting and look at the total picture and come up with something that's agreeable throughout the district. Page 12 May 25, 2011 COMMISSIONER HILLER: Yeah. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Coletta? COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah, Commissioner Terry, you're absolutely correct. We need to know what our numbers are, and we need to be able to go forward with it, we need to try to explore new opportunities, we need to try to identify new opportunities. All that's correct. The only thing I'm going to say is that I wasn't trying to berate the school system for what they charge, I was just trying to bring up the fact that we do have, especially in our district that we represent, Commissioner, we have a need that probably is greater than any other place in Collier County. Very, very disturbing to find that so many people out of work or underemployed, many houses up in foreclosure. That 50 percent rate that we referred to for the school system is only an indicator of the total county. And I would assume that probably in District 5 it's considerably higher than the 50 percent. These people cannot come up with an extra couple of dollars to be able to supplement their kids. As we go forward with this -- and I think I was characterized in the wrong direction of where I was going -- I'm talking about when we start our negotiations and our talks coming forward, we have to keep the human element ever present and ever in mind, because these children have to be served. And if they're not going to be out there playing sports, what are they going to be doing? There's enough trouble in this world as it is today. I can support the motion as it is. But if we come back with rate increases, I doubt if you'll find me supportive of that. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Henning? COMMISSIONER HENNING: Just a clarification. I know this was supposed to be a workshop. We're not supposed to take votes in workshops. But if we're in a meeting, would it be appropriate for the -- I guess the School Board, I don't know the Page 13 May 25, 2011 statutes, to vote on an item when they're not in -- where they regularly hold their meetings. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: I mean, if possible. I was going to ask about the governance issue from Mr. Fishbane from the School Board perspective. But if we can't vote on it, maybe we can come to some consensus. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, I wasn't expecting to take a formal vote, but we have to have a motion to get something before us for consideration -- SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: I'd like to get Mr. Fishbane's -- if that's okay, Mr. Fishbane's opinion. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Can I say one thing before Mr. Fishbane speaks? CHAIRMAN COYLE: Please, go ahead. COMMISSIONER HILLER: This was actually advertised as a joint meeting, not -- I'm not sure that it was actually advertised as a workshop. COUNTY MANAGER OCHS: That's correct. COMMISSIONER HILLER: And because it was advertised as a meeting, not as a workshop, we actually have a court reporter here today, and so my understanding is that we can vote on any matter brought before us jointly today as compared to a workshop. So your point is exactly correct, Commissioner Henning, and maybe we can clarify that this is not a workshop and that this is in fact a meeting and we can take action. MR. FISHBANE: I was just going to mention, Mr. Henning's right, if it is a workshop then you can talk about consensus but you really cannot be entertaining motions. If it's a regular meeting, that's something different. COMMISSIONER HILLER: And my understanding, and I believe County Manager Ochs just confirmed that this is in fact a meeting, not a workshop. Page 14 May 25, 2011 COUNTY MANAGER OCHS: That's correct, Commissioner, it was advertised as a joint meeting. COMMISSIONER HILLER: So as a result, that should be corrected, because when we opened the meeting, Commissioner Coyle announced it as a workshop and that isn't the case, which I think is what led to the misunderstanding. COMMISSIONER HENNING: That's fine. As long as the County Attorney agrees that we're in a meeting and not a workshop. MR. KLATZKOW: Well, you have executive summaries with recommendations. You're going to have to either take the recommendation or not take the recommendation. So, you know, however you want to handle this, staff needs to be directed on these things one way or the other, whether it's by consensus or by motion. But, you know, this was advertised as a meeting. CHAIRMAN COYLE: And we do have a motion and a second, okay? COMMISSIONER HENNING: Good. CHAIRMAN COYLE: And does anyone disagree with this motion? (No response.) CHAIRMAN COYLE: Is there any objection to the motion? COMMISSIONER HENNING: No. COMMISSIONER FIALA: No, I just have two comments, if I can. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay, go ahead. COMMISSIONER FIALA: First comment is, as they go in to discuss these, especially the cost analysis, which is terribly important, I want to make sure -- you know, we can say the costs can be anything we decide they can be. And I'm hoping that they're going to be more near a fair cost analysis, rather than an inflated one. And I mean, because we want to discuss how we can help the children of our Page 15 May 25, 2011 community, not pack our pocketbooks. So I just wanted to make sure that that's taken into consideration. And can you name the 10 interlocal agreements that we have right now, please? MR. WILLIAMS: This will be interesting if I can or not, but -- COMMISSIONER FIALA: I have all kinds of faith in you. MR. WILLIAMS: Well, let me start and then Tom's going to tell me the ones I miss. Avalon Elementary, Corkscrew Elementary, Corkscrew Middle. Dreamland is a -- what we call Dreamland is associated with a school in Immokalee. That's Pinecrest. And Eden, Osceola, Palmetto. Starcher Pettay, Sable Palm, and Veteran's Memorial. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: What about Vineyards? MR. WILLIAMS: And Vineyards. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: All you have to do is drive by Vineyards on Saturday morning and see the number of children in Collier County that are being served on that site. MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, ma'am. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: If anybody -- I think that's important too. Who exactly is renting these fields? Because the idea -- if one listens to this discussion, one gets the idea that children are out on these fields just playing. And I don't think that's the case. You have different groups. MR. WILLIAMS: That's correct. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: In the case of Vineyards, you have the Optimists that basically are the sponsoring group for literally, I would say, thousands of children that pass through that facility on any given Saturday morning. Maybe that's a little exaggerated, but there sure are a lot of them down there, starting quite early in the morning and going until late in the afternoon. So I think that's an important factor too, as to who are these sponsoring organizations that are renting these and, you know, what is Page 16 May 25, 2011 their capacity in terms of what kind of costs can they bear. COMMISSIONER FIALA: And lastly, over at East Naples Middle School, even though you don't have an agreement with them, and I don't know who's doing what, I'm amazed. I mean, it isn't a formal playground or a formal ball field, nothing. It's always busy as we all know. So a lot of times they don't need something, you know, really with a lot of frills. They just need a place to play. And I doubt that anybody charges them to play at East Naples Middle, because they seem to just go in and play there. And as I say, it's always busy. So maybe as you're discussing this we can also consider just having places for these kids to play without having any formal -- you know, as you were talking about building new places, they don't need a lot, they just want and need a place to play. So thank you. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: Yeah, I don't think there's anybody on this group that wants to restrict fields to children. I think that the main purpose of both the county and the School District is to provide opportunities for as many children as possible. We do it during the school day and then also our fields are available in the afternoons and evenings. I think that when the committee looks at this or gets together to discuss it, they want to make sure that we maximize the use of our facilities without totally destroying the facilities, naturally, because there is some time that's needed for fields to recuperate and to recover. So I think we want to maximize the use, get as many facilities as possible available for children after school and on the weekends, and we should look at it with that in mind, not restricting any usage of the fields for our children. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you. All in favor of the motion, please signify by saying aye. COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: Aye. Page 17 :• May 25, 2011 CHAIRMAN HENNING: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: Aye. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: Aye. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CARROLL: Aye. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign. (No response.) CHAIRMAN COYLE: The motion passes unanimously. That took us 30 minutes. We've got a number of other items to Let's go to item number three. Item #3 EARLY LEARNING COALITION LOCAL MATCH FUNDING CONSIDERATION — MOTION FOR ALL STAFF TO WORK TOGETHER TO FIND FUNDING AND CONTRIBUTION POSSIBILITIES W /SCHOOL BOARD WITH "IN- KIND" FUNDING — APPROVED COUNTY MANAGER OCHS: This one should be quicker. This is the discussion on the early learning coalition local match funding consideration. The County Commission earlier this year back in April agreed to fund a portion of the local match required from the early learning coalition to leverage additional state dollars for their services. And at the time of that discussion the County Commission asked me to place this item on the agenda for some further discussion and perhaps consideration by the School Board to help fund the local match that the county is now funding, at least at a 50 percent level. MOM May 25, 2011 The match is 50,000 this year. I think the wine festival and the Community Foundation had provided a portion of that local match. County Commission had provided the balance. And that's essentially the issue. Mr. Sheffield can give you a brief overview of this item. MR. SHEFFIELD: We do have representatives here today from the Early Learning Coalition. And if you don't mind, I'd like to ask them to come up and perhaps they can introduce themselves briefly and explain the needs of the coalition. COUNTY MANAGER OCHS: Mr. Chairman? CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yes. MS. COTTER: Good morning. My name is Nga Cotter, I'm the CFO of the Early Learning Coalition. MS. THOMPSON: I'm Gayla Thompson, I'm the Associate Director of Program Services for the Early Learning Coalition. MR. ESCAYG: I'm Peter Escayg, Director of Operations for the Early Learning Coalition. MS. COTTER: With the requirement of the six percent for our school readiness program, we're required by the state to request for local match, and for specifically Collier County. From time to time the number may change, but we estimate about $150,000 for the year, upcoming year. We're also anticipating another $150,000. The NCEF have contributed $75,000 for this year, and the commissioners have contributed $25,000. We're asking for the next four years that the County and/or the School Board will be able to match the requirement. Pretty much -- if you have any questions for me, specific questions, I'll be happy to answer. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Ms. Berry? SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: Can some of that money be in in -kind contribution? MS. COTTER: Yes, it can be. It can be in the form of say rent; Page 19 May 25, 2011 buildings that the school may have available for us. As I talked to Ms. Barry earlier, it could be in the form of training that can be offered by the school. Any kind of in -kind that is -- that would make our program a quality program, we would be able to use that. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: In terms of use of our school buildings, per se, I think right now we have tried to use every available bit of space, because as you know, we've got class size reduction that we're faced with with the Constitutional Amendments. So every space within our schools are going to be utilized. I mean, they have looked at everything that could possibly be used in that manner. So I think it's looking at any other facility perhaps. I'm thinking in terms of dollars, actual money to be paid out. I think certainly from the school system perspective it's going to be a difficult kind of thing to do. But I'm thinking more in terms of the in -kind kind of contribution that perhaps we can look at. And I don't know, I don't have the answer to that right now. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Ms. Curatolo? SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: I think it would be helpful -- number one, I do think perhaps maybe out in the eastern corridor we may have some space that we could look at. But I think there are lots of in -kind services in terms of training, support in some way that from a staff perspective there can be discussions about. CHAIRMAN COYLE: How much money are we really talking about? What are you looking for? MS. COTTER: As I mentioned earlier, it varies, because our budget has been cut. And it's also about the needs of other children. We have priorities for, like say at -risk children, and if that spikes up we have to use those dollars first for those children, so then therefore the working poor categories, the dollars that we're seeking for may be reduced. But we've been able to keep it constant, within May 25, 2011 approximately $150,000 a year. CHAIRMAN COYLE: $150,000 a year from what sources? MS. COTTER: From the Agency for Work Force Innovation, the State. If we're able to bring in the $150,000, we're able to draw down over $2 million for the local county. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay, I guess what I'm looking for is the Board of County Commissioners voted to give you $25,000 this year. Are you looking for the School Board to share that $25,000 with the Board of County Commissioners next year, or are you looking for $25,000 from the Board of County Commissioners as well as from the School Board? MS. COTTER: It depends. As I've said, the NCEF, they have agreed to give us on a sliding scale, if you will, that they committed this year $75,000, which I just received a check. And then we're able to supplement some of the in -kind through the M program (phonetic) that they support, which is in -kind that they provided in terms of training, supporting, actually going into the classroom and training our teachers and so forth. So therefore, with the $75,000 from the NCEF, $25,000 from the Commissioners, and then the rest was in -kind. So we were able to make up the $150,000 this year. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you. Commissioner Henning? COMMISSIONER HENNING: The Board is going to be looking at community development block grants to help this in the future. The problem is we all know that comes from the State -- well, the Federal Government through the State. And with them looking at budget reductions, that may be depleted or even disappear. So that's something we need to keep in mind in the future. But also other grants might be disappearing too. I think we all need to take a look at -- watch what develops in the Page 21 May 25, 2011 future and work together and try to resolve it. I think it's the best thing that we have these kids, children, in a safe place while their parents are working. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Mr. Terry? SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: I agree with that. I also think that we ought to direct our administration to look at in -kind possibilities and report back to the Board at our next meeting. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Coletta? COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes, thank you. I think we're all in agreement. I couldn't tell you how pleased I am with everyone here in the direction we're going. I think we can get there. This is an item I think we should move forward to staff. If we need a motion to that effect, I'd like to make it. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay, we have a motion from Commissioner Coletta for -- COMMISSIONER FIALA: Certainly. And I'll second it. CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- approval for our staffs to work together to see if we can find ways to meet this requirement. And second by Commissioner Fiala. I would -- before we take the vote on that, I would just like to make a request. You have a really good story to tell. It can be easily translated into a cost benefit analysis. And I think that if you were able to show that the number of children -- not now, but at the time when you come back the next budget request, if you were able to show the number of children that are being cared for and the number of adults that are being employed as a result of the support you're providing, it would be a lot easier for the members of the School Board and the Board of County Commissioners to make decisions about how much money we could provide and what the justification might be. All of us I think feel good about this process, but it would be extremely helpful for us if you could give us a very clear cost benefit Page 22 May 25, 2011 analysis when you come back. Okay? MS. COTTER: Thank you, we will. We did send out, and we have this investment in child care and pre -care maintenance, we have it for this year. Next year when we come back, we'll update it and give it to you. CHAIRMAN COYLE: I'd like to see it updated specifically for Collier County in demographics. Is that what it is? MS. COTTER: This is for Collier County. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay, good. Thank you. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: Commissioner, one last point. I do want to clarify to the Commissioners and to the rest of the Board from my standpoint, and I think actually from the school system. It cannot -- we cannot do the actual handing of money. But we can perhaps, as Mr. Terry mentioned, look into the in -kind. So I just want that perfectly understood that it will have to be an in -kind type contribution that we would make. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. All in favor of the -- Commissioner Henning? COMMISSIONER HENNING: I just want to make an observation. Are we going to ask for public comments before we take action? CHAIRMAN COYLE: Do we have anybody registered for this item? MR. MITCHELL: Sir, we have nobody registered for this item. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Do we have anybody registered for any item? sir. MR. MITCHELL: Yes, sir, we do. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Which item? MR. MITCHELL: It's the joint emergency services center. COUNTY MANAGER OCHS: It's item seven on your agenda, Page 23 May 25, 2011 CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay, we'll take public comment for item number seven before we vote, okay? All in favor of this motion, please signify by saying aye. COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: Aye. CHAIRMAN HENNING: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: Aye. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CARROLL: Aye. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign. (No response.) CHAIRMAN COYLE: It passes unanimously. Item #4 WESTCLOX ROAD EXTENSION IN IMMOKALEE — MOTION TO MOVE THE PROJECT OF JOINING WESTCLOX TO LITTLE LEAGUE ROAD AND ALL STAFF TO SEEK POTENTIAL GRANTS AND FUNDING TO COORDINATE WHERE (W /SPECIFICS) THE ROAD SHOULD GO — APPROVED COUNTY MANAGER OCHS: Commissioners, item four on your agenda is the Westclox Road extension discussion. This item was placed on the agenda by the School District. Jerry? INTERIM SUPERINTENDENT BROWN: Yeah, I think this is an item that Mr. Terry, our vice chair, is interested in discussing as it relates to students and parents from Eden Park Elementary in Immokalee. Page 24 May 25, 2011 Mr. Terry, would you like to comment on that? SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: Yes. As you know, we went through an extensive rezoning process over the last year with students. The Westclox Road actually dead ends at Eden Park Elementary School in Immokalee. There's a large community that can see Eden Park Elementary, but in order to get to it they would need to drive about two and a half miles around past Lake Trafford Elementary School and then back to Eden Park. The school system is putting in a walkway, but in a meeting with the parents there were many parents who had concerns about allowing their children to walk alone to school and wouldn't want to drive them. Westclox Road is I think .16 miles in length and it could be joined to Little League Road. And I would -- I know that there are many road projects that the Commission is concerned with, but if they could look at moving this item up to make it convenient for parents to get their children to school, especially on rainy days, or those parents that just want to be able to drop them off in the morning before school. So I would like to ask that the Commission consider moving Westclox Road, an extension of that, to Little League Road higher on their agenda. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Coletta? COMMISSIONER COLETTA: We have a whole process that we go through on a regular basis which consists of a number of advisory committees. The MPO works for the county to get us to where we need to be. Possibly Mr. Feder might be able to give us some direction on this, how the structure is -- or excuse me, in this case Nick Casalanguida. MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yeah. Good morning. For the record, Nick Casalanguida with the Growth Management Division. Good morning, Board Members and School Board Members. COUNTY MANAGER OCHS: Nick, excuse me. Before you Page 25 May 25, 2011 start, we have an aerial, if you haven't found it, under your materials that you can refer to. And it's also up on the screen for those who can see it. Go ahead, Nick. MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure. Commissioner Coletta is correct. We go through an annual process as part of the AUIR and CIE. Currently the only two capital projects we're proposing are grant funded projects that we have matching grant projects right now. So if anything, we're cutting back on our program even more, as you can imagine. What I've suggested to the County Manager, Mr. Ochs, and for the Board's consideration is that we would provide in -kind project management services for this project and we would take over the road as a public road when completed. That's something we could do easily, if the School Board was willing to fund the design, construction and maintenance of -- construction and C.I. We would take over the maintenance when completed. But if anything, we're going to propose to the Board in the fall cutting back the program even more in terms of capital construction. CHAIRMAN COYLE: What's the bottom line of that answer? MR. CASALANGUIDA: Bottom line is we're cutting back on our program and we're doing less funding for projects right now. So I don't know how we could move this up if we're taking projects out of the program. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Who was first? COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well, mine is pretty simple. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay, go ahead. COMMISSIONER FIALA: Just two fast questions. You had referred to Little League Road, but I don't see it on this map. Could you tell me where that is? MR. CASALANGUIDA: They said the connection, and it was hard to tell by the executive summary, was .16 miles. All I could Page 26 May 25, 2011 imagine is you're going to go due west on Westclox and then connect it to Peace Way through that vacant lot. COMMISSIONER FIALA: And the second thing you said it refers to in the executive summary is Community of Independence. I've never heard of a Community of Independence in the Immokalee area. Could you tell me where that is? MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure. It's on your diagram. I'll highlight it right now. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Can you also highlight where this road is supposed to be, where the connector is? CHAIRMAN COYLE: It's to the left off the map. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: The -- actually Little League Road is just off the left edge of the map, as the drawing is up there. It runs north and south, I believe, or from top to bottom. MR. CASALANGUIDA: You have a drainage swale. Let me show you what's going on. This is existing Westclox public maintenance right now. The School Board owns this piece right here. What we're talking about doing is connecting it further west. This subdivision has a vacant lot right here you could tie into as well. You also have a drainage swale that comes across here also. You're looking at several hundred thousand, and if you're going to go farther, even more to do this project. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller, I -- COMMISSIONER FIALA: The Community of Independence? CHAIRMAN COYLE: It's just to the south there. MR. CASALANGUIDA: There you go, ma'am. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Justice, Peace Way, American Way, Allegiance Way. COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, okay. Thank you. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: Are you aware of any joint funding that we could apply for? Page 27 May 25, 2011 MR. CASALANGUIDA: Grant applications. Safe Routes to School would be one of them. We'd also look at any federal grants that are available right now through the MPO process. That's something we could apply for. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: I would like to certainly recommend that those from our staff who are very familiar with this issue, and it is a safety issue, work with county staff to see if there is potential for grant money -- MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: -- to provide this opportunity in the near, rather than the far. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: I think that's an excellent possibility. I think we ought to look into that. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Can we call that a motion and a second? SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: We certainly can, Commissioner Coyle. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you very much. Commissioner Coletta was first, I think, then Commissioner Henning. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah. You know, one of the things we're running into is not -- the problem is not money, it's the lack of money. And it's going to be like this for a long time to come. And the truth of the matter is, we have some critical projects up there that are stacked up that have been put forward. Golden Gate Boulevard is one, the four - laning of it from Wilson all the way out to Everglades, desperately needs to be done. It's been put off. The completion of the four - laning all the way to Immokalee, which would be Oil Well Road, which we're working on right now, and then from there to be able to continue down to Immokalee. All these things are being stacked up with different priorities. So where do you get money for something like this? One of the possibilities out there, and I'm going to fight to make Page 28 May 25, 2011 sure it stays in the Immokalee area, is that we have a settlement coming from the casino, it's going to be a yearly settlement in lieu of impact fees. It's something I lobbied for a couple years ago and it passed and we never identified the amount of money. And I would like to be able to see if we could identify what that money is and see if that source of money is anything that would get us at least maybe to the design with this road. But once again, too, being the fact that it's going to be a very limited pot of money, dealing specifically with the Immokalee area, before we do anything we have to have a community meeting to make sure it's the will of the public and not just this commission who wants that road done over something else. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay, Commissioner Henning? COMMISSIONER HENNING: Thank you. Mr. Terry mentioned about constructing a road over a mile long. Nick has identified that there's a vacant lot within the community that we can connect to to shorten that distance by several yards. Is it the understanding or the will of the School Board and the County Commissioners to do the best cost feasible by connecting it to that lot into the community or building a mile long -- over a mile long road? SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: I would say what is most feasible from a safety perspective that reaches the goal that would need to be reached in order for children to get to the school. COMMISSIONER HENNING: And the reason I'm saying that, I think the community would love for us to spend monies to build a mile long road instead of directly connecting into their community to solve a problem. And I would like -- SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: And again, I mean, I think we have to look at the community also. From our perspective on the School Board side we are discussing it from the issue of students at that particular school. But we would certainly Page 29 May 25, 2011 want to have community input also to see what is the best option, what is the cost of that -- of those options and then come back and make a decision based upon all of the information before us. We only bring this to you from a School District perspective. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: Let me just clarify that the length of the road from what I've been told is .16 miles. It's not quite a mile. I'm just making that as a clarification. COMMISSIONER HENNING: .1? SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: .16. It's not a mile. COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. So it is just an interconnecting -- SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: Yes. MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sir, when the agenda item came up, .16 to me -- you know, 5,280 feet with, you know, 20 percent roughly is not 1,000 feet. So I can't imagine where they would want to do any farther than that vacant lot. COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. MR. CASALANGUIDA: So that's what I looked at when I saw the item. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, if I can just clarify the motion. The motion dealt primarily with the pursuit of funding that was specifically related to Safe Routes to Schools. And if that is the case, if we could get that funding, we're not taking it away from funding for other roads that we have already established a high priority for. So if we focus on the funding issue first, to ask our staffs to jointly pursue grants which are specifically for Safe Routes to Schools, then that would seem to be a fairly good fit. And then as Commissioner Coletta observed, before we build the road we have to go through a process, and we have to start talking to communities. So if we could -- if you wouldn't mind me offering a friendly modification to the motion, it would be to pursue the Safe Routes to Page 30 May 25, 2011 School grant funding for the road and to ask our staffs to begin to coordinate where this road should go and lay the groundwork for community meetings and working with the neighborhood to find out what really is feasible. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: So moved. CHAIRMAN COYLE: If that's okay. And the second's okay with that? SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: (Nods head affirmatively.) CHAIRMAN COYLE: I'm sorry, was somebody -- somebody had their hand. Commissioner Hiller? COMMISSIONER HILLER: I question why we haven't been applying for these road grants related to Safe Schools in the past. MR. CASALANGUIDA: We have. We apply every year. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Oh, we do? MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes. COMMISSIONER HILLER: And so have we done so this year? MR. CASALANGUIDA: I'm sure we have, yes. We do every year. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Do we know what the information is on that, what feedback we're getting as to whether there's funding available and what our chances are getting those funds are? MR. CASALANGUIDA: We usually get funds almost every year for one program or another for Safe Routes to School. Can be a sidewalk connection, could be a pedestrian walkway, advanced lighting. Anything that promotes, you know, walk- ability, connect - ability to schools. So we usually grab grant dollars almost every year. COMMISSIONER HILLER: And in those grant applications that we have currently pending, do we have to identify specific projects, or are they general grants for this specific purpose? MR. CASALANGUIDA: They are specific projects. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Oh, they are specific? Page 31 May 25, 2011 MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes. COMMISSIONER HILLER: So there's no way that any of the existing grants can be used towards this end? MR. CASALANGUIDA: It goes through a process. No, ma'am, you'd have to apply specifically. It's reviewed and then chosen. So it's for a specific project. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Is there any other source of funding available? What's typically used to fund road construction related to schools? MR. CASALANGUIDA: It typically is for Safe Routes to Schools. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Is it? MR. CASALANGUIDA: Things like that. And they're usually more for pedestrian connections, but they can be used for anything that would increase safety so that, you know, kids aren't put in harm's way or vehicle miles traveled reduction, shorter distances to a school. So we could apply. And this would be a viable grant to have. COMMISSIONER HILLER: And just for the future, when you identify school related road construction, do you actually meet with the School Board's staff and concurrently decide what the needs of the schools are? MR. CASALANGUIDA: Absolutely. Tom's been an excellent counterpart in that process. We work extremely well together. COMMISSIONER HILLER: And this is just a recent issue that just came up because of the change in the school sizes? MR. CASALANGUIDA: This is a fairly new school -- COMMISSIONER HILLER: Classroom sizes. MR. CASALANGUIDA: No, fairly new school, and I think as the School Board is -- and the School Board can correct me -- COMMISSIONER HILLER: The rezoning. MR. CASALANGUIDA: -- if I'm wrong -- Page 32 May 25, 2011 SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: Rezoning. MR. CASALANGUIDA: -- as they go through the process and they identify neighborhoods, you know, it's great that they put that -- they're going to put a pedestrian connection for it. I think that will get a lot of use. But again, as they noted, a lot of families like to drive their kids to school, which we kind of want to avoid, if we can, but this will help alleviate that. And it will take trips off of Lake Trafford and loop them back around. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Well, if this is our standard approach and we know that we've just experienced rezoning and it's had this effect on this school, does the School Board have any other concerns about other roads that might need reconsideration in light of the rezoning that's taken place, or is this the only one that's -- SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: I can defer to Mr. Brown, but I don't believe there are any at this time. INTERIM SUPERINTENDENT BROWN: I'm not aware of any at this point in time. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Okay, thanks. CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor of the motion, please signify by saying aye. COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: Aye. CHAIRMAN HENNING: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: Aye. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: Aye. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CARROLL: Aye. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign. (No response.) Page 33 CHAIRMAN COYLE Item #5 It passes unanimously. May 25, 2011 UPDATE ON PLANTATION ISLAND ROAD MAINTENANCE COUNTY MANAGER OCHS: Fifth item on your agenda is an update on the Plantation Island Road maintenance issue. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Mr. Terry, did you want to say something about this? SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: I believe this issue has been resolved and I think we can remove it from the docket. COUNTY MANAGER OCHS: For our Board's information, if I could have Mr. Gossard just give you a 30- second update on where we are in terms of maintenance obligations? CHAIRMAN COYLE: We can allocate 30 seconds. COUNTY MANAGER OCHS: Start the clock? Go. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Start the clock. MR. GOSSARD: Very brief. Travis Gossard, Road and Bridge Superintendent. Good morning. Basically we have found documentation proving that Plantation Parkway is ours in entirety and we will be maintaining it. We started on May 16th filling potholes, trimming trees, and we will continue. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Good. Now look for something on Mamie Street. MR. GOSSARD: Yes, sir, we are. CHAIRMAN COYLE: All right, thank you. COUNTY MANAGER OCHS: No action required on that item, sir. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. That's good. Let's go to item number six. Page 34 May 25, 2011 Item #6 POTENTIAL USE OF SCHOOLS AS POLLING PLACES (SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS ISSUE) — ITEM MOVED TO A FUTURE SCHOOL BOARD AGENDA WITH A REVIEW BY THE CALENDARING COMMITTEE — CONSENSUS COUNTY MANAGER OCHS: Item six is a discussion regarding the potential use of schools as polling places. This item was placed on the agenda at the request of Ms. Edwards, Supervisor of Elections, and she's asked me, Mr. Chairman, with everyone's indulgence, if I would read her letter into the record very quickly. So it says: Dear board members, the purpose of this message is to request that the members of the Board of County Commissioners and the Collier County Public School System consider the benefits of using public school facilities as polling places. Public school facilities have adequate parking and large rooms, such as gymnasiums and cafeterias. School facilities are also ADA compliant and are constructed and operated with tax dollars. In the past I have spoken to individual School Board members who have supported the concept and referred me to staff. I have met with different superintendents over the last several years, as well as staff, but have been unsuccessful in these attempts. Several neighboring counties are already utilizing schools as polling places such as Miami -Dade, Broward and Charlotte counties. For our most recent county survey of Elections Offices using public school facilities as polling places, please see the grid in attachment A. Different options that are being utilized and /or I would request be considered include: consider placing the dates of the elections on the school calendar as in- service days. This option would eliminate a Page 35 May 25, 2011 concern about having election workers and voters on school property during a regular school day with the students. It would offer the opportunity for teachers and students who are registered voters to be trained and join us as elections workers and could even be considered a part of the curriculum with the Elections Office staff participating with the teachers prior to Election Day in the classroom. Consider scheduling an in- service day for only one level of school, such as all elementary, all middle or all high schools as in- service days for Election Days. Consider collaborating with the Election Office staff to determine the geographical areas of the county in which we are experiencing the greatest challenge in locating polling place facilities and permitting the use of a school in those geographical areas for polling places. Florida Statute 101.71(5) states that, "public tax supported buildings shall be made available for use as polling places upon the request of the supervisor of elections." However, rather than having to force the issue, the Elections Office would like to build a partnership with the Collier County Public School System. Elections are not an everyday occurrence. They occur every two years in even numbered years. Since each of you has been brave enough to step out and commit to public service by running for public office, you understand the importance of the operational component of conducting elections. So in conclusion, please consider working in partnership with the Election's Office staff to create a win/win situation for the students, voters and citizens of Collier County. Respectfully, Jennifer J. Edwards, Supervisor of Elections. Mr. Dave Carpenter from the Election's Office is in the audience this morning and available to answer any questions that anyone may have on this issue. Page 36 May 25, 2011 CHAIRMAN COYLE: I don't see a lot of hands raised. COMMISSIONER FIALA: Here's one. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Go ahead, Commissioner Fiala. COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes, I think this is a great idea. I think this is long overdue and I think we should move forward with this. She's given ways in order to accomplish this, and if this works into the school schedule, which I'm hoping it will, I'd love to hear from the School Board members, but if it does, then I'd like to make a motion to approve this. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: I would ask -- from a School District perspective, I know that we vote on a calendar far in advance of the school year. So I'm not sure about amending a calendar for this school year, should there be any small elections that would arise. I mean, I would certainly like to hear from other School Board members. I would support this wholeheartedly, but we have to insure that we let staff and students know well in advance, vet this with our school communities to ensure that we can coordinate. COMMISSIONER FIALA: We don't have any elections this year, I mean in this calendar year, it would be next year. So I think we have -- SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: Unless there were a special election. COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- ample time to prepare. Yes. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: Again -- SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: I think the main concern is, Ms. Fiala, that we cannot have students in the buildings when these elections are going to be held. That breaches security, and this is a big concern obviously for the School District. So it would have to be planned. One of the problems with in- service days, as the way they're Page 37 May 25, 2011 scheduled, it normally comes at the end of grading periods. That's how they're scheduled. And so there would have to be -- that would have to be taken into consideration. I don't disagree with the use of public buildings. I happened to work in the polls many years ago when several of the schools were used. That was a very common thing that went on in Collier County. In fact, I personally worked at Naples High School as a polling pers -- as a precinct person in that situation. We also didn't have the issues with security at that time. At that time students were in the school, everybody was moving along as normal. Times have changed. So this would have to be something that definitely would have to be coordinated and see if there was any opportunity to work anything -- work this out at all, if there's that opportunity. But again, you know, I think we've got some contract things. I don't know how that all works out, but there are contract negotiations that would have to be considered as well. So -- and I'm not talking about facilities, I'm talking about with teachers and so forth. So those things have to be considered. Mr. Brown probably has more information on that. INTERIM SUPERINTENDENT BROWN: Some of the days, the planning days or the days at the end of grading periods, are negotiated items with the union. We do that every year to make sure that certain days are reserved for teachers to figure grades. Those are the ones that are the most difficult, because they're set at the end of -- like you said, the end of a grading period. So we would have to look at those types of things in order to try to put together a calendar. Calendars are amazingly difficult to build. But we could consider those things in it, certainly. COMMISSIONER FIALA: So in -- CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller? May 25, 2011 COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- my motion then if I would say that supervisor of elections could work with you to work out a calendar, if that is feasible, that would be acceptable to you? INTERIM SUPERINTENDENT BROWN: There would -- yeah, we have typically a calendar committee, and we could certainly have a representative from the elections office to be a part of that group. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller? COMMISSIONER HILLER: Dave, can you explain why this is a matter that is brought in front of the board, the two boards jointly? Isn't this really a matter more between the supervisor of election and the School Board? I'm not sure why the Board of County Commissioners is voting on this. MR. CARPENTER: I am not certain why Ms. Edwards chose to bring it forth into this meeting, other than it seemed to be a public opportunity to bring the issue up before the public. It seemed like a good vehicle to do it and she chose to do it. Now, would something like that really require a vote of the Board of County Commissioners? That I would of course doubt on that, because it really is a School Board issue. COMMISSIONER HILLER: It would seem to me that would be the case. And I'm not sure that it's appropriate for us as the commissioners of the county to get involved in this discussion between the Supervisor of Elections and the School Board as to how the School Board chooses to use its facilities to help with the polling. MR. CARPENTER: I would like to make one comment. We understand the difficulties of trying to run a polling place when school is in session, which is part of the reason why we voluntarily pulled out over the last school that we used, which is Manatee Middle, in about 2004 I think may have been the last day we used it. Voters and buses don't get along very well together, as we know. And parking at a number of these schools, particularly the elementary, tends to be very Page 39 May 25, 2011 limited. So we're not contemplating a situation, a normal situation where the schools are open and voters are going in. As far as timing goes, we would also not be contemplating anything before the election year of 2014. So it would be the fall of 2014 before we would, you know, really consider any sort of move in this direction. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Mr. Terry? SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: I would suggest at this point -- and thank you for your report. I would suggest at this point that we just as a School Board direct our administration to work with Ms. Edwards to see if there's any way that this can be done. It will require -- if we do it, it will require us to close the schools on that day and sometimes that means we have to look at vacation days and, you know, do we take Veteran's Day or do we take an election day or do we take this or do we take that. So there are a large number of different parts of this community that have some say in what we want to do with the days that we take off for vacation. So my suggestion would be that we just move this to our administration, ask them to work with Ms. Edwards and we move on to the next item. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CARROLL: Well, I concur. I think our -- the most feasible aspect of this whole situation would be to trade out our Veterans Day holiday versus the Election Day holiday. But that's something that we need to discuss and have it part of the calendar committee. Item #7 DISCUSSION REGARDING A POTENTIAL CO- LOCATION OF A NEW FIRE STATION ON THE GROUNDS OF PALMETTO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL — MOTION DIRECTING STAFF MEMBERS FROM THE BCC, SHERIFF'S OFFICE, SCHOOL May 25, 2011 BOARD, EMS AND GOLDEN GATE FIRE TO WORK TOGETHER AND TO BRING BACK A COST ANALYSIS AND CONCEPTUAL DESIGN AND NEED FOR A PROPOSED FIRE STATION /RAPID RESPONSE CENTER BUILDING, WITH GOLDEN GATE FIRE DISTRICT BEING THE POINT PERSON — APPROVED CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you. The next item, do we have a presentation on this? Does someone have a presentation to be made on this before we hear from the public? INTERIM SUPERINTENDENT BROWN: Commissioner, Chief Metzger did send a PowerPoint presentation to me. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: If I may, this is my item, if I may introduce it. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Oh, it is? Okay. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes, thank you very much. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Go ahead, make your presentation. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, my presentation is going to be an introduction and tell you how we got to where we are today. This is an item that's been discussed for some time now, but I just wanted to be able to get it out in the public. Back on May I Ith, Fire Commissioner -- Golden Gate Fire Commissioner Chuck McMahon invited me to a meeting that consisted of School Commissioner Roy Terry, Sheriff Kevin Rambosk at the School Board Administration Center. We had a brief discussion about the upcoming meeting that we were going to have, the joint meeting, and I was asked to put it on the agenda so we could get the discussion going forward. And with that, I'd like to take just a minute, since it was Commissioner Chuck McMahon's initiative, to have him come forward and he'll introduce his chief and tell you what his vision is. And the county's stake in this whole thing is besides being Page 41 May 25, 2011 County Commissioners, we're basically also fire commissioners. We have two Fire Districts under our control and also EMS. And at some point in time if this vision comes forward that Chuck's talking about, EMS may play a role in it. Go ahead -- CHIEF McMAHON: We hope so anyway. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Did I take everything away from you? CHIEF McMAHON: No, I got plenty. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay, great. CHIEF McMAHON: How are you all doing? For those of you that don't know me, I'm Chuck McMahon, Golden Gate Fire Commissioner, Seat 2. You know, we've been looking for locations for fire stations and medical emergency locations for years, through the steering committee and other things. I've been to the School Board with Mr. Baker and my Assistant Chief David Anderson several years ago and we talked about, you know, co- locating a station on school property and it went nowhere. A couple years ago Rob Stoneburner went to the superintendent and Mr. Thompson, and again we ran into a dead end, no walls. So we're still looking at that. I mean, that's still an option. But you know what? Something even greater occurred to me. Because there's a large need of a rapid response center out in the Estates area. Potentially the school on Everglades and Tenth is like sitting right at the perfect location to serve the community very well. That's an option. Today I want to present a concept of united working together to bring a Rapid Response Center into the Estates area. Sheriff Rambosk has a need for a substation out there, definitely fire has a need for a substation out there, and EMS has a need for a substation out there. The school would benefit because they would have 24 -hour, you Page 42 May 25, 2011 know, medical emergency service, they would have 24 -hour security. I mean, it's a win/win for everybody. And this is just an early concept. I mean, there's a lot of work that has to take place for this. This isn't going to happen tomorrow. But it's not going to start until everybody reaches out and let's start working together. I'm currently working on a concept to bring together a Rapid Response Center in Collier County Estates area and will be looking for cooperation from Collier County leaders. It would be an honor to work with all Collier County leaders and other community leaders to bring this concept into reality. Please consider what a great benefit this would be for our community with Collier County Board of Commissioners, Collier County Public Schools, Collier County -- or Golden Gate Fire Department and Collier County Sheriffs Department working collectively on this project. So consider that. I mean, this is something that's good for the community. There's a lot of work that would have to be doing (sic), there's a lot of legal questions, there's a lot of -- you know. But until we talk today and say, you know, can we work together and do something, it just sits idle. So we want to see if we can't move it forward. And I'll share one more thing with you about working together. This is something that I experienced this year, and I simply was amazed at the outcome. We have the Naples Bears Rugby, which is a club, okay, that's brought together by students from different schools, high schools in our community. They went and practiced together for just a few months and became a team and have gone out and won a state title, they've gone out and won U.S.A. South, and just got back from the nationals and ranked sixth in the nation for a rugby club. And this is what happens when you work together. These kids, you know, they played against each other on football fields and against each other on the baseball fields, and amazingly enough they Page 43 May 25, 2011 brought it together, okay, and they went and they supported us, Collier County as a whole, the State of Florida and the southern part of the U.S. in such a short time. If the kids can do that, I don't understand why we can't. So I ask everybody if we can't work together and bring about a Rapid Response Center in the Golden Gate Estates for the community. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller? COMMISSIONER HILLER: Couple of questions. First of all, what is the cost of the land? CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller, could I get you on that mic. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Yeah, sorry. I'm going to have to turn around. What is the cost of the land? CHIEF McMAHON: You know, the cost of the land, if we're talking about the school property -- COMMISSIONER HILLER: Is that the property -- it's a school parcel that you're looking to acquire? CHIEF McMAHON: Well, it's a school parcel that's available. It doesn't necessarily have to go there, I mean, but that is an opportunity -- you know, that's a spot where it can go. We've been quoted a price for that five acres at $300,000 for the past six years; the price hasn't changed for five acres of land. COMMISSIONER HILLER: And what would it cost to build the station? CHIEF McMAHON: We are in the beginning of a concept right now. We have nothing -- it has to start somewhere. So this is where I'm at today. I'm coming to everybody and saying can we work together, can we start putting this together and look at it. I mean, it's long term. COMMISSIONER HILLER: I guess my concern would be you have to have the totality of the cost established in order for everyone May 25, 2011 to understand what this project is really about. And then, you know, if in fact what you're describing is the case in terms of the Sheriff wanting a substation, EMS wanting a substation, you needing a station and the school benefiting, that there could be an opportunity where there is cost sharing four ways for this project that you're proposing that you're suggesting is a need. So I think in order to get buy -in, you have to establish -- or show evidence that all of these parties actually do have a need to persuade them to participate, and then secondly know what their allocation would be out of the total cost and then determine whether or not it's financially feasible from their respective standpoints. CHIEF McMAHON: I agree with you 100 percent. But until we as Collier County leaders and the elected officials, we need to direct staff to look at that and bringing it together and build something so that we can come back and say this is what it's going to cost. Right now how do we as single entities build something that needs to be built together and then have a cost to -- COMMISSIONER HILLER: So would you like a motion that suggests that the staff of the four agencies, or departments as the case may be, get together to come out to develop some sort of an analysis to suggest what the, you know, overall cost is and how there's a potential for cost sharing? CHIEF McMAHON: Yes. In essence I believe what you said, if we had the -- if the staff is able to work together, first of all, then the staff can come back to us with numbers and concepts. But if we don't, you know, give them direction to work together, then how do we start bringing it together? It has to start here. You know, we have to come in and say, okay, this is what it's going to take and we work together to do it. We know there's a need. And you'll hear that from Chief Metzger here in a minute. And it's not just the fire, I mean, it's the whole community as a whole. I mean, there's a lot of things that you'll Page 45 May 25, 2011 be hearing here in a minute. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Have you at all been working with any of the staff of any of these agencies? CHIEF McMAHON: No. We've met with the School Board, like I said, a couple times and things just didn't pan out and that was the end of it. Now I went to -- I said I had enough, okay, because it's not going nowheres. And I said to myself, I said, you know what, I'm an elected official. According to my enabling act, it is my job, okay, and it tells me clearly in my job that I need to build stations and work with other entities to do this. So I have to come to you guys and girls and say look, we work together and do what we can do to bring this about. And this is a starting point. COMMISSIONER HILLER: And maybe the problem is, is that when you met with the school, maybe what you asked for was ahead of, you know, laying all the facts on the table. Because obviously we don't have all the information based on what we're discussing here today. Your answers to my questions suggest that we don't have the full picture. And so I think we also need to include the other agencies, like you indicated, the Sheriff and the EMS need to be part of this as well and, you know, bringing everyone together to the table to discuss this as a -- (hand -held mic was handed to Commissioner Hiller) oh, you're wonderful, thank you so much -- that that might, you know, move this along based on the needs analysis that you're saying that you have that supports this. CHIEF McMAHON: I agree with you. And I've taken the first step toward that when I asked to have a meeting with Commissioner Coletta and Board Member Roy Terry and Sheriff Rambosk. The four of us met and talked about the concept. And when I left that room I felt very confident that when -- and asked to be able to come here today so that we can bring this out and get the support of our elected officials to give direction to staff. May 25, 2011 So all I'm asking is that we get -- I have -- our board's already given us permission to, you know, communicate with anybody else to build and look at the possibility of a Rapid Response Center in the Estates, which it is needed and I don't think any of us can sit here and say it's not. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Well, we cannot speak for the Sheriff because he's an independently elected constitutional officer. But we -- I certainly could make a motion today to suggest that all the parties bring their staff together to analyze what the total cost is and how cost sharing, you know, could be established and how this project would be funded in light of that cost sharing. But you would have to go to the Sheriff and ask him to participate. Because I don't -- we can't vote to -- CHIEF McMAHON: I've already done that and yes, he is on board -- COMMISSIONER HILLER: Oh, that's great. CHIEF McMAHON: -- and he has a need, he says, and he's willing to do whatever we have to do to work together. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Well, I'd like to make a motion for staff to explore, you know, the financial aspects of this project, the funding aspects of this project and cooperation and cost sharing, you know, as feasible between all four entities: Collier County EMS, the School Board, the Sheriff and Golden Gate Fire. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Question. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Go ahead, Commissioner Coletta. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Chuck, you've been working on this for a little while. Did you want this to be staff driven at this time? I got a feeling that that might not be the direction you're looking for. Are you looking for possibly representatives from -- representative from the School Board, representative from the Commission, Collier County Commission, representative from the Sheriffs Department, several different entities to be able to come Page 47 May 25, 2011 together to be able to talk about the possibilities, or do you just want to turn it over to staff? CHIEF McMAHON: Commissioner Coletta, at this point in time the need of the Rapid Response Center in the Estates is a 9 -1 -1 in my opinion as a fire commissioner. I will look for help from all leaders and staff. So I -- yeah, if you want to put together an elected official committee to work with each of our staff, that works with me too. Whatever opens up a door to -- for us to work together unitedly as community leaders in Collier County to bring this about. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: My only concern is if we turn it over to staff, they're going to say it's premature and that might end it. If we can get elected officials, a delegation, you know, from each group there involved in the whole thing, it's going to keep it out in the public domain to the point where the interest will stay in. It might still not happen for some time, but at least it's not going to go away like it has a number of times in the past. CHIEF McMAHON: It is by no means a short-term item. I mean, we've got a lot of work to do, as you were talking, you know, as the cost, the design. I mean, there's just so much to do, the School Board, if they're allowed to even let us use that land for different things. Because I know there are issues. But if we don't start today and just keep putting it off then, you know, we're hurting the citizens, and that I've got to stand up for the community. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: I understand we have a second presentation on this -- CHAIRMAN COYLE: We better get to it quickly. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: -- issue, so I think it would be a good idea to hear that second presentation and then have discussion. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay, Chief? CHIEF McMAHON: Thank you. WIM May 25, 2011 MR. MITCHELL: We have one speaker. CHAIRMAN COYLE: That has to be Mr. Billington, right? MR. MITCHELL: Yes, sir. COUNTY MANAGER OCHS: Chief, would you mind using this podium? CHIEF METZGER: Well, what I was -- I don't think I'm going to use my PowerPoint at this point. I've kind of been taken out of the game. Good morning, distinguished members of both boards. I appreciate the opportunity to speak to you today. And if my presentation seems a little disjointed, it's because I'm going to have to modify some things on the fly here. But I would like to thank all of you for allowing us to present to you this morning. A special thanks to Mr. Coletta for getting us on the agenda. Thank you. And Mr. Terry, thank you very much for giving me an opportunity to get a first blush on this concept with you. Ladies and gentlemen, the Eastern Golden Gate Estates area desperately needs a fire station. And this presentation from me is going to be principally focused on a fire station. But that is not in any way to detract from the concept of a rapid response center, because I support that idea as well. But why do we need a fire station? In 2008, the eastern end of the Estates suffered an 880 -acre fire that destroyed three residences. Thankfully nobody was seriously injured. But the reason why that fire got up and going is because we were a long way away from our closest fire station to be able to response into that area. The response time to that area from our current station, 71, was 13 minutes. Just recently you might have read in the paper that we had a substantially larger brushfire out in the same relative area; 2,800 plus acres. We lost one residence. Again, thankfully no serious injuries. Page 49 May 25, 2011 But I would make -- I would make the case that in both cases a faster response from a closer, better located entity could have had an impact on the extent of those fires. Station 71, which is the closest in both areas, is more than six miles away from Everglades and a 13- minute response time is evidenced by its response time in 2008. I'm going to refer you to the handout in just a moment. But residences that are located further than five miles from any fire station generally pay higher insurance premiums, if they can get that insurance at all. And many people who live out in the Everglades and Desoto area are having a difficult time finding any insurance for their properties as a result of this. And this so called rule, if you will, is basically an ISO standard that the insurance companies look at. Anything outside of five miles makes it very difficult. More importantly, excessively long response times contribute to bad fire outcomes and even worse, medical outcomes. I don't think anybody would dispute the idea that if someone has stopped breathing or their heart has stopped beating, waiting longer to get help is not a good thing. If we have to wait 10 minutes or more, it's almost the same thing as not showing up. Our outcomes are not going to be good in those kinds of situations. So our position is that we need a fire station in the Eastern Golden Gate Estates. And we propose co- locating that station on the grounds of Palmetto Elementary School, via a lease agreement of some kind. That location is almost ideally placed, and it provides an opportunity to maximize the synergy that we would create through multiple agency participation. Hence the concept of the Rapid Response Center. Now, if I could draw your attention to the handouts that I just passed out, the one on the top in green shows the current location of the four fire stations operated by the Golden Gate Fire District, Page 50 May 25, 2011 Stations 70 through 73. Those are marked on the map. And what the green represents is the five mile driving distance over surface roads where properties located within that green are within the five miles, properties located outside it are not. And those are the ones that would have a difficult time getting insurance. The second handout, which is predominantly blue, and I apologize for the appearance on that, shows the addition of coverage within a five mile drive area if we located a station on the grounds of Palmetto Elementary. And it's very difficult to see, but within that blue toward the right -hand side you'll see a designation for Station 74. Now, that additional five miles in blue also equates to a much faster response time into those areas covered by a proposed station there on Everglades. And it would impact the folks who live on Desoto as well. The impact would be more greatly enhanced if in fact we built some additional bridges over the canal that's located between Everglades and DeSoto. So appropriately placing a station in that situation would be very advantageous to the citizens. It would also be advantageous to the school, but we'll get to that in a second. The third page on your handout is essentially the schematic of the grounds of Palmetto Elementary School. And if I can orient you, across the top of the page is Tenth Avenue Southeast. To the very right -hand side is Everglades Boulevard. And at the bottom of the page is 12th Avenue Southeast. What I would like to draw your attention to on that, is an area called the out - parcel that's located on the school property. That is the area that we are proposing the school consider leasing to us so we can locate a fire station and any other emergency public provider that chooses to locate with us out there in a Rapid Response Center. A Rapid Response Center can include virtually any emergency responders, but from my perspective I believe that if we can maximize Page 51 May 25, 2011 tax dollars that are already paid for any general purpose, we're benefiting the community at large. Now, Commissioner Coletta hit it on the head earlier when he said the problem isn't a lack of -- the problem is a lack of money. Everybody's got a lack of money. And we're no different. If we could fund this right now, we would move forward with it, because we recognize the need. Why are we presenting this now? Well, partly because the memory of this 2,800 -acre fire is fresh in the minds of a lot of people. But the fact is that there are and have been government grants provided for fire station construction where the project is essentially shovel ready. But to qualify for these highly competitive grants, you have to be good to go. You have to have a piece of property set aside, all the preliminary work done to properly zone it, properly get all the plans together, get the details together that Commissioner Hiller referred to regarding cost, design, all the preparation work. So that all we need is the go -ahead from somebody willing to fund it and we can get the project out of the ground the next day, shovel ready. We don't have that. The last time that this kind of grant was offered, we applied for it and we were summarily dismissed in the first round because we didn't have a shovel -ready project. We had a need but no project, because we had no property. What we're looking for is an arrangement with the School Board where we can locate on that section of property. We're prepared to lease it for oh, a dollar a year. We're really looking for a cooperative arrangement here. But the benefits -- the benefits are truly worth the investment by the school. It will provide us rapid response to any student emergencies, resident emergencies in that area, and I'm assuming that the School Board pays insurance on their buildings, maybe they don't, but if they do, my belief is that this potentially lowers the property insurance that they would pay specific to that property and anything Page 52 May 25, 2011 else within that five mile driving distance. Added benefits to the School District include: security to the grounds, opportunities for student mentoring and role modeling, just among others. Benefits to the emergency services include: an improved opportunity for us to meet our public service expectations. What we're asking for is your support of this project by taking up this idea to allow us to lease this property. And if you can see your way clear to that, what it does is it opens up additional doors to gradually make this project a reality. Everybody's short of funds. If we're trying to just put together a lot of extremely scarce funds to make this happen, I believe that it will take longer than if we pursue this, at least in part from a grant opportunity. But we have to get to that threshold, and that threshold is the establishment of a parcel that we've secured and prepared and is ready to move forward. On that, I will open up the floor for questions. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah, Chief, if I could, I think you got the right direction on this. I like where you're going. What I would like to do is -- when are we going to be meeting again, this joint School Board/County Commission Meeting? CHAIRMAN COYLE: 2014. (Laughter.) COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, when we meet again in two more weeks -- just kidding -- I think what we ought to do is, is you seem like you're going the right direction. I guess the question would be to the county. Does the county have any interest at this time for a new EMS station, or is this something that would be off in the future? It seems like the school -- like the fire department is ready to move now. And if they could build a fire department with the idea that the ancillary issues could be brought forward and added to the structure, it might get us where we need to be. Or are we ready to be able to do something now? Page 53 May 25, 2011 COUNTY MANAGER OCHS: No, sir, I don't believe we're ready at the current time to do that. But we'll be happy to meet with the Chief and explore all the options. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And I talked to Sheriff Kevin Rambosk, and even though he expressed an interest in the site, he said his needs are met for quite a few years now with his site that he has now on Oil Well Road -- is that where it is? COUNTY MANAGER OCHS: Yes. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And he really wouldn't be interested at this time. He said he would be in the future. So I think you're going in the right direction in working with the School Board. But somehow we've got to be able to keep the -- everybody informed what's taking place. We have to have some sort of feedback of information. If it starts to be nothing more than a discussion between the administrative people within the fire department and the School Board, I got a feeling it's just going to get bogged down in meaningless talk that we're never going to see anything happen. And I'd like to see some mechanism where we get a report back. And I'm not too sure how to do that. Because sometimes it's a year or better before a joint meeting of the School Board and the Collier County Commission. Maybe what you could do is have a joint meeting of the School Board and the Fire Commission in about six months' time where you two can sit together and work out the issue and take it to the next step and keep it in the public domain. If you know it's coming back, then I think there's going to be a likelihood that something positive will happen as you move towards that date possibly six months out. I don't know, how does that idea fit within your particular direction that you would like to go? CHIEF METZGER: Well, if I can respond to that. The original Page 54 May 25, 2011 intent of the Fire District was to work with School Board administration on this project. And we felt that the cost associated with just securing the property, while we understand that they own the property, was just going to make it extremely prohibitive for us to participate. We also felt that there were genuine benefits for the School District to work with us on this project. So our initial bent was to first approach the administration, and if that didn't work, to approach the School Board to ask the School Board to set policy on this and discuss this with administration to see if there is benefit in partnering on this project. And that was really the initial first blush on this. But the whole point is if we don't take that first step, this project, the fire station or a Rapid Response Center, none of that will become a reality in any time in the near future. CHAIRMAN COYLE: We have a public speaker. We're going to have to get to the public speaker very quickly. Can we ask Mr. Billington to come up and take his 30 seconds and then we'll discuss this. MR. BILLINGTON: I'll be as quick as I can. For the record, Duane Billington. The parcel in question had an asking price in the past of $300,000. That price was established during the artificial real estate bubble. The actual market price on that property right now is between 60 and $80,000. I'm sure Ms. Carroll, who is well acquainted with values and whose husband is also up to date on this thing would probably concur with those numbers. But they need to be checked on. And whether this is initially a joint project or not a joint project, the potential is there. The need is, from maybe those other agencies, a future need. But the benefit to the school system is immediate. All those items that the Chief mentioned, those are immediate benefits. Page 55 May 25, 2011 There's also the benefit of having medical care that closely available if a student's injured. It would be a tragedy if a student got injured and it took 10 minutes for response and because of response time that student died. We don't really need those other agencies right now for this to work and be beneficial to both the School Board and the Fire District. The benefits are real, if you looked at a proper cost analysis, what you're going to save on insurance, what is going to be there as far as ancillary benefits. And please, when you think about this, consider the fact that the Estates, through their land trust, has provided benefit to the School Board on many occasions. In one case there is $103,000 for playground equipment. We've donated well over six acres of land to the school system. And, you know, I think we just should all get together and do the right thing, and I think the right thing is for the Board to offer a lease to the Fire District, whether or not those other agencies are involved. Make it reasonable so we can go forward. And then if those other agencies choose to join in at a later date, that would be great for everybody. Thank you. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller? COMMISSIONER HILLER: I have a couple of questions, Chief Metzger. When you were talking about those grants, the first question I have is do the grants allow for ground leases? CHIEF METZGER: The grants assume that you have property ready to go. They're not specific to whether you own it or not. COMMISSIONER HILLER: I think that fact would have to be verified. Because if a lease was not permitted then that would be a problem. The second issue is you indicated -- well, actually, let me ask this first, do the grants require you to prove a need? Do you have to support that there is a need for the facility that you're building? Page 56 May 25, 2011 CHIEF METZGER: Yes. The grants require that you document the reason why you have to have that in some fashion. COMMISSIONER HILLER: And you've established there's an immediate need for this? CHIEF METZGER: Well, just on first blush with the information we provided to you all, that's the basis for it. In terms of quantifying it based on run data and such, we haven't assembled that. Intuitively we know that this is the case. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Well, because again, you know, if you're relying on grants to fund construction and the grants are going to require you to provide data to establish the need, then it goes back to the comment that Commissioner Coletta made that if we allow staff to analyze this, they're going to come back and say there's no need. And so I'm concerned about that. Because if staff comes back with empirical data that says there's no need, then you won't qualify for grant funding. CHIEF METZGER: Well, actually, I didn't quite take away that interpretation from what he said. To my belief is that from a fire response perspective, which is what the fire station construction grant is all about, we can document it. We have not sat down and quantified all of that. But we know for a fact based on all of our response times out there, there's absolutely a need. So is there a need for sheriffs? I don't know. I think it's an interesting idea. Is there a need for EMS? I believe there probably is, but I have not sat down with Chief Page and discussed his specific needs. The reason why the Rapid Response Center concept is being presented to you is as a potential capability of this site moving forward. But the whole purpose behind this is if we can't secure a site, we won't even be able to entertain this conversation about a grant. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Chief, if I could interrupt just a moment, Page 57 May 25, 2011 Commissioner McMahon indicates that he might have an answer to one of Commissioner Hiller's questions. But we'll have to get you on the mic up here. CHIEF McMAHON: There is a need. And there's been a need for years. We had a -- as a matter of fact, a lot of these drawings that you have were done by Chuck Mohlke several years ago where we did a comprehensive study of our needs five years ago, and the need was there then and the need is still there. I can't speak for EMS, but I could speak for my friends that live out there and come to me and say, you know, you guys and EMS, it takes you forever to get out here. So there is a need. I mean, that's neither here nor there. Again, I just think that we look at it, we work as leaders of the community, we put together a Rapid Response Center in that area is what's best for the community, and it helps to bring about, you know, working together within our entities. So -- CHAIRMAN COYLE: Ms. Berry? SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: Chuck, I'm sorry, I've got my back to you. CHIEF McMAHON: That's all right, Barb. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: But anyway, Chuck and I have spoken about this, and we don't necessarily agree on how we're going to go about trying to achieve this. Number one, it's the government entities that are involved in this whole structure. I have spoken with the Sheriff and I did not speak with EMS, but it's as Mr. Coletta did present, that right now there isn't an urgent need on behalf of the Sheriff and the EMS, but particularly the Sheriff. There is not a current we- need - this -now. The concept of the response -- the first responders is not a bad concept. But the fact remains that you have Collier County government and you have an independent Fire District. And this is where the issues get a little muddy. Page 58 May 25, 2011 The idea that we all work together, that's not a bad idea. I mean, who can fault that? But each of us, County Commissioners, School Board and the independent Fire District, all have a responsible entity that they're dealing with. I have to be responsible to the taxpayers in Collier County. Not just a certain group, but all of them in the entire county. So before I give away any property, I have to think about this very seriously. And I think this is something that has to be considered. It's one thing to build the building, okay. You have to have the land. The second thing, you build the building. What about sewer and water systems? You're in a rural area out there. Now, frankly, the school system has a sewer system. But we put that in. The property as it stands on the tax rolls today is considered improved property and has a value of $11,129,000. Now, if you just look at land alone, you're looking at land value at $196,000. But when you're going to build a building out there, they're going to have -- it's not just building the building, what are they going to do about the other utility issues that are certainly -- that's part of the project. So I think it is something I think that can certainly be talked about, but I think we also need to consider the legal aspects of this. What happens if you have a lease, you lease this property and the lease runs out? Then what happens to the facility? We can't foresee -- my concern is as a school system, as a School District, we can project out a number of years. And there are ways to do this, and they do it pretty accurately. But to project out 20 years or so is very difficult. And who knows that in the future out there -- many of us won't be around to see this, but who knows in the future that that land may not have a use to the school system. So before I give up an asset of the Collier County School District of which I am a trustee of, then I need to be able to know that there is absolutely no future need in the use of that property. And this has nothing to do with this issue, but it's my role in terms of being a member of the School Board. Page 59 May 25, 2011 So these are things that I think need to be considered before we get all happy and decide that we're going to lock arms and walk to the water together. We have to get practical here and look at what are our legal aspects and what are our duties in each government entity. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, I understand that. And I believe this is another one of those issues where the Board of County Commissioners really only has a minor role and that is in the EMS function. And it really is a decision to be made by the School Board. But you did indicate a willingness to sit down and talk about those things and try to forecast what your requirements would be. If we could bring this to resolution on that level, other members might think about whether or not that's acceptable to you. But Commissioner Henning would like to make a comment. COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah, more questions. On our agenda is about a fire station. Now we've got a rapid response system. Chief, what was the guidance from your board? Was it a fire station at this site or was it other constitutional officer responsibilities? CHIEF METZGER: Well, the Board directed pursuit of a fire station on this site. COMMISSIONER HENNING: Period? CHIEF METZGER: Period. COMMISSIONER HENNING: Period, okay. CHIEF METZGER: When I say period, I don't think there was an exclusion to other participation, because the Board expressed a sentiment that it makes good sense to allow -- to house, co- locate different emergency providers. But the direction was a fire station because we're a fire department. COMMISSIONER HENNING: The last time I recall when the Board had a discussion about a substation in Golden Gate Estates was in the Orangetree area. The board is responsible for building facilities for our Constitutional Officers. And I'm sure the County Manager is kind of looking around his budget where he's going to get extra Page 60 May 25, 2011 millions to build a rapid response system facility out there. There are some demographics out there. I understand the need of the fire departments. I understand, you know, circular five mile radius. But we do things a little differently. And I'm not sure how the Sheriff decides where he puts his substations. And I definitely don't want to speak for the Sheriff. Then the other issue, when you talk about a facility that big, does it fit our Growth Management Plan. I could understand an ancillary use to the school system out there, but I think we're going beyond that. The concept is great. I think it's great. Is it appropriate at this location? I don't know. That's something that has to be analyzed by the Sheriffs Department and the County Manager. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Mr. Terry? SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: Just to follow up on that. I think that Ms. Berry certainly made some good points. I think all of us definitely can understand a need in a certain area. I think the recent brushfire out there certainly shows that possibly if we responded quicker we'd have had a better result in that situation. We've also got some problems out in the Estates area now with the Immokalee Fire District and some of the problems that they're having financially. And so I see that there is a need, there is a desire by the people in that community to have somebody meet their needs, especially when they're paying high insurance rates or having slow reaction time to emergency services. I agree with Ms. Hiller, I think that possibly we ought to involve all the entities in coming up with a plan. Right now we see a need, we have a concept, but we don't have any details in terms of exactly what we're backing or where we want to go. It's been five or six years since the Fire District met with the Collier County School Board -- or the representatives from the administration. And so I would certainly suggest that we follow Ms. Hiller's Page 61 May 25, 2011 suggestion and that we get groups up and talking with each other and starting to come up with a plan, so the next time that we come to this type of situation we can answer the questions that we all have concerning how this is going to be financed. For example, I know of a person, a friend of mine was going to lease property to put a barn on. And of course they couldn't get a loan from the bank because the bank wouldn't loan them the money to put the item on a leased piece of property. So, you know, all those questions need to be answered. Is the grant going to be able to be used on leased property? I don't know that we definitely have the answer to that. And so there are answers that need to be gotten before we move forward on this. I don't think there's anybody here that wouldn't support this type of a rapid response situation. I know I would, living out in the Estates. I think it's very important that we provide those types of services for the people that live in the Estates area. But I think we really need to get this committee going with the representatives of the four or five different groups, come up with a plan and then come back with a little more substantial detail in terms of exactly what we want out there. I'm convinced that Chief Metzger's done a good job in terms of his situation with the fire house, but it seems to be up in the air about some of the other entities and whether they're willing to come along at this point in time. And I think we need to have answers to all those questions before we exercise what we want to do with the district's money and county money at this point in time. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Could I ask at least the Board of County Commission members, if you would have objections to having a representative from EMS participate in those discussions? Even though we don't have current need planning out 15, 20 years, it's not really such a bad idea. We do that in roads, we may as well do it as well for emergency services. Page 62 May 25, 2011 COMMISSIONER COLETTA: No objection. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Is there any objection to doing that? COMMISSIONER HILLER: No, in fact that is -- COMMISSIONER HENNING: That's a smart thing to do. COMMISSIONER HILLER: If I may, that is part of my motion. I think that is absolutely necessary. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Now, the motion is to encourage all of the governmental agencies involved in this issue, the Fire District, the School Board, the Sheriffs agency and Collier County Government, to work together to analyze requirements, determine the need and try to make some recommendations. COMMISSIONER HENNING: Here, here. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Is that a -- COMMISSIONER HILLER: Yeah. And it would be staff. But CHAIRMAN COYLE: Staff. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Yeah, absolutely. And come back with options. CHAIRMAN COYLE: But please understand, the staff can't do it unless the governmental agency boards direct them to do it. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Exactly. CHAIRMAN COYLE: And so that's what I think has been the crux of this issue. If the School Board is willing to do that, if the Board of County Commissioners is willing to do it and the Sheriffs Agency, then let's direct our staff to do it and then we'll proceed. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: And I think Mrs. Hiller's point is well taken. Let's take what staff has done to this point and ensure that that's part of this discussion, not that it's just elected officials -- COMMISSIONER HILLER: Right. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: -- or the constitutional entities coming together, but the information that staff Page 63 May 25, 2011 that has done previously, because I know there's been some work done at the School District on this matter, that they be involved in this analysis. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: Could we -- would we want to establish one of those groups as a point person to -- rather than just leave it out there that these four groups are going to get together, maybe the Fire District should be on the point and that each of the other agencies should provide a representative to meet, but it's their responsibility to bring them all together. COMMISSIONER HENNING: That's a great idea. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Yeah, that's a good point. And Bill -- CHAIRMAN COYLE: I'll consider that as a motion. And Mr. Terry, you seem to second the motion. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: I would second. CHAIRMAN COYLE: So is there any further discussion -- COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes. CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- on the motion itself? Commissioner Coletta? COMMISSIONER COLETTA: This doesn't preclude the fire department going forward to keep looking at it as a fire station in itself? CHAIRMAN COYLE: Oh, no, no. As I understand it, whether it's a stand -alone fire station or long -range plan for adding certain other things ultimately, that's what we're looking for, right? So if you can justify a stand -alone fire station immediately, then you should be discussing what you can do to do that. And all of the other things would be long term enhancements to the process. CHIEF McMAHON: Commissioner Coyle, if I may, also from what I understand from my meetings with the Chief, if everybody is on board, you know, to work together, it's a little bit easier and more available grant money if we bring it in as a Rapid Response Center Page 64 May 25, 2011 with all the entities. CHAIRMAN COYLE: I understand. But remember, if you go ask Leo Ochs about a current urgent need for an EMS, he's going to say no. And the Sheriff is going to say no. So we have to be careful about that. But I understand your point. And there's no reason you shouldn't wrap that into long -range considerations. Could we vote on this motion now? All in favor, please signify by saying aye. COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: Aye. CHAIRMAN HENNING: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: Aye. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: Aye. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CARROLL: Aye. COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign. (No response.) Item #8 PUBLIC COMMENT CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay, we have done that. And do we have any public comment on general issues? MR. MITCHELL: Yes sir we do. Mr. Billington has signed to speak. MR. BILLINGTON: For the record, Duane Billington. I'd just like to thank you all for doing this today, and just make one comment about the Early Learning Coalition situation. The Page 65 May 25, 2011 School Board had an excellent idea when it came to in -kind. And I would suggest that the county look at in -kind contributions. There's a number of options out there. You could be giving passes to our water park that would qualify for matching. There's enough -- I'll leave it up to staff and their creativity, but I think we ought to look at in -kind, because the wine festival two years ago ended up operating in the red. You don't know how much money they're going to be coming back for. It's 25,000 this year. It might be 125,000 next year. So I -- COMMISSIONER HILLER: If I may? MR. BILLINGTON: -- would hope you'd be creative. Thank you. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller? COMMISSIONER HILLER: I'd like to respond. I agree with you, Duane. That's actually a very good suggestion. I was thinking about that when Mrs. Berry brought that point up. We have a great deal of vacant space. We allow our representatives from the districts and the Federal Government to use our space at basically zero rent. That would be a good alternative to consider, for example, allowing them to use office space on our campus to do their business, where the school doesn't have it. MR. BILLINGTON: I would think there's almost unlimited number of alternatives, other than being into general revenue or other funds. Thank you. Item #9 — Added STAFF, SCHOOL BOARD AND COMMISSION GENERAL COMMUNICATIONS CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thanks, Duane. Appreciate it. Any comments by members? Commissioner Henning first. May 25, 2011 COMMISSIONER HENNING: I just -- CHAIRMAN COYLE: You've got 30 seconds. COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah, I just want to tell the School Board members, you all know that I have a son in the system. It's been a wonderful experience working with staff in any situation. It's amazing that you can communicate with a teacher through e -mail or telephone. I mean, they're -- you're able to contact them. If you have an issue, you can resolve it real quick. And it's just, every step of the way it's been absolutely wonderful. The second thing I want to mention is you know that Arthrex is considering expanding in Collier County. Talking to the CEO and staff over at Arthrex, the one thing that they lack is getting qualified employees into that community -- SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: It's already being worked on. COMMISSIONER HENNING: Oh, it is? Okay, with machinists and -- CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah. COMMISSIONER HENNING: Oh, that's super. That is wonderful. That's all I have. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: Yeah, I would just respond to that, that's a good point. The iTech Center out in Immokalee is working with Arthrex and other members of the community to develop that type of detailed work that needs to be done for the types of things that they produce. So that is happening. And thank you for your comments. I would like to thank everybody for their time today for this meeting. On behalf of the School Board and -- Collier County School Board, I think it's been very beneficial and it's something that we really ought to look at doing on a regular basis. And I think the community likes to see their governmental agencies communicating Page 67 May 25, 2011 with each other, and I think this has been an excellent meeting. CHAIRMAN COYLE: I would also like to thank all the people. It's been good talking with you. Hopefully we'll get a chance to do this again. And by the way, Arthrex has also indicated a willingness to provide some of their more skilled people, machinists to serve as instructors if they need to do that. So it's a good program and it will help them and our entire community. Because there are other companies here who need skilled machinists, and that is a problem. And I'll now entertain a motion for adjournment. COMMISSIONER HILLER: Before we -- CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller? Item #9E MOTION TO SCHEDULE TENTATIVE MEETINGS EVERY SIX MONTHS BETWEEN THE BCC AND SCHOOL BOARD — APPROVED COMMISSIONER HILLER: I agree with Mr. Terry, that we need to have these meetings more often and on a regular basis, be it every six months or, you know, quarterly as the case may be. And before we adjourn today, I think we should discuss that and set up a future agenda that we can all be comfortable with to address these issues on an ongoing basis. We put out a request for a great deal of information to be brought back to us and action items that, you know, we are contemplating for the future. So I think we need to have a follow -up plan by way of a future schedule. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Our experience in meeting with other governmental agencies, like say the City of Naples has indicated that it is more efficient to schedule the meetings when we have things we need to talk about, rather than trying to pre - schedule them. Page 68 May 25, 2011 Much of what we've asked to be done today is for the staff to research things and to collect information, that they would properly bring those back to their respective governmental agencies and brief them individually on those and give them an opportunity to provide further direction. And then if there is joint approval necessary, we could get together and get that done. But it is appropriate that we meet at any time that there is a very significant issue. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: I think given the schedules of all involved, that it would probably be a good idea to at some point agree to let's try a six -month schedule, let's put it on the calendar so that we're not then reflecting back and saying oh, my goodness, we have four items that we need to discuss and we need to do it within the next month. I would rather see us plan out, given the staff need to be here. It's certainly an obligation for lots of folks, so I would like to see it scheduled rather than say let's come back when we have an issue to follow up on. COMMISSIONER FIALA: I would echo that, because our schedules get so busy, all of our schedules get so busy, and then you can't carve out the time. But if we put this in advance, every six months and schedule that meeting, I think that that would be a very good idea. COMMISSIONER HILLER: I'd like to make a motion to that effect, that we plan on meeting every six months. And so in light of the information that we've asked to be brought back to us, even though we will meet individually as boards to assess the information, that we review it collectively too in six months. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: I would just make one comment. It's been fun being down here and being with everyone. I'm not one to have a meeting just to have a meeting. If we have the issues, then I think that we do that. I'm in favor -- if you want to go ahead and schedule the six months, I think that's fine to put it as a tentative meeting -- MM May 25, 2011 COMMISSIONER HILLER: Right, and if we don't need it -- SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: -- so everybody knows. But if we don't have the information that we need or -- COMMISSIONER HILLER: Absolutely. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: -- it's been -- something's been resolved or whatever, then there's no need for us to all come down here and -- COMMISSIONER HILLER: I agree. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: Right. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: -- smile at each other, so-- COMMISSIONER HILLER: I agree. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Kumbaya. COMMISSIONER HILLER: I absolutely agree with that. And I was thinking the same. So, you know, I'll add that to my motion. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, can we ask the staff to work out a mutually acceptable time, rather than try and determine that now? SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: Right. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay, we've got a motion to schedule the meeting sometime within the next six months and we'll reassess, if it's necessary. And if not, we'll cancel the meeting. There was a second, I'm sure. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: I'll second. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay, all in favor, please signify by saying aye. COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BERRY: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CURATOLO: Aye. CHAIRMAN HENNING: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: Aye. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER CARROLL: Aye. Page 70 May 25, 2011 COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign. (No response.) CHAIRMAN COYLE: It passes unanimously. And someone is going to make a -- COMMISSIONER FIALA: Motion to adjourn. CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- motion to adjourn. SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER TERRY: Second. CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay, we are adjourned. Page 71 May 25, 2011 There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjourned by order of the BCC Chair at 11:06 a.m. COLLIER COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS Fred Coyle, Chairman ATTEST: DWIGHT.AWB�ROCK, CLERK w These minutes approvO by the Board on 4, 20 I l as presented or a6,korrected Transcript prepared on behalf of Gregory Court Reporting, Incorporated by Cherie' R. Nottingham, CSR. Page 72 May 25,2011 There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjourned by order of the BCC Chair at II.06 a.m. COLLIER COUNTY DISTRICT SCHOOL BOARD Roy !)r err y, Vice-Mirman These minutes approved by the Board on :a //// --- as presented or as corrected Transcript prepared on behalf of Gregory Court Reporting, Incorporated by Cherie' R. Nottingham, CSR.