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BCC Minutes 08/06/1996 R REGULAR MEETING OF AUGUST 6, 1996, OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COHMISSIONERS LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County Commissioners in and for the County of Collier, and also acting as the Board of Zoning Appeals and as the governing board(s) of such special districts as have been created according to law and having conducted business herein, met on this date at 9:10 a.m. in REGULAR SESSION in Building "F" of the Government Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the following members present: CHAIRMAN: John C. Norris VICE-CHAIRMAN: Timothy L. Hancock Timothy J. Constantine Pamela S. Hac'Kie Bettye J. Matthews ALSO PRESENT: W. Neil Dorrill, County Manager David Weigel, County Attorney Item #3 AGENDA AND CONSENT AGENDA - APPROVED AND/OR ADOPTED WITH CHANGES CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Call the county commission meeting to order the 6th of August, 1996. Mr. Dotrill, would you please lead us in an invocation and a pledge to the flag. MR. DORRILL: Heavenly Father, we give thanks today. We give thanks for the wonder that we have just watched over the last two weeks involving the Olympics. We give thanks for the -- the pride that has come to that that accrues to our county and the city of Atlanta and the people associated with that. Father, we give thanks today especially for our county and our part of the United States and for its people, especially its leadership, our Board of County Commissioners. It's our prayer this morning that you would guide their deliberations as we make important business decisions for this community and that you would bless our time together here today and that it would be a reflection of your will. And we pray these things in Your Son's holy name. Amen. (The pledge of allegiance was recited in unison.) CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Mr. Dorrill, I see we have a couple of changes to our agenda today. MR. DORRILL: Yes, sir. Good morning, commissioners. I have just a couple of changes. I have one add-on item that will be 8(E)(3). And in anticipation of a short meeting today, there are a number of people who had asked to come, but they didn't know when. And so I had told them that we would try and do this as close to 10 a.m. as -- as possible. It's a discussion of the expansion of the Ford Motor test track and trying to get some direction from the board and to share with you some information that I have in the hopes that -- that you're willing to take an advocacy position there. And I'll -- I'll explain that to you as part of 8(E)(3). COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: 8 (E) (3) ? COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: We have an 8(E)(2) addition. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Well, it's a move. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: A move, correct. MR. DORRILL: I have another add-on item, and we have distributed some information to you. The -- the courts program is anticipating a shortfall in their operating budget before the end of the year. And we've done a good job working through Jean Gansel in our budget office to try and -- and nail that down. We have got the request to almost half of what it originally was. But they need to be able to discuss that today with you. That will be ll(A) under other constitutional officers, recommendation that the board appropriate additional funds for the remaining two months of the fiscal year. Then I have one item that I would like to move from your consent agenda to the regular agenda for a presentation. It's -- item 16(E)(1) is moving and will become 8(E)(2) as part of a request by your airport authority to receive some advance funding from the board's pooled commercial paper program in anticipation of capital grants from the state. And that's all that I have, Mr. Chairman. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Commissioner Matthews, anything further? COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: No. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Commissioner Hancock? COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Yeah. I've received several questions. There's been a lot of discussion. And just for clarification, I'd like to move item 16(B)(7) from the consent agenda. I do have one question on that. I've had it answered. But again, there's been a lot of -- I received a lot of phone calls on that, the whys and wherefores, so I'd like to move that to the regular agenda. MR. DORRILL: And that will become 8(B)(4). CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Okay. Commissioner Mac'Kie? COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Just a question for staff. With such a short agenda today, I'm disappointed that we don't have partial year ad valorem reports on here, and I wonder when we might anticipate that. MR. DORRILL: I -- I don't know, but I'll find out before we get to ten o'clock. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Thanks. MR. DORRILL: I'll let you -- CHAIRMAN NORRIS: If we're here that long. Commissioner Constantine? COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I have no changes. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: We need a motion. COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I make a move -- motion to approve the agenda and consent agenda as amended. COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Second. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Point of -- or I'm sorry. I have a question. Actually 16(B)(6) -- Mr. Dotrill, help me. Where's the $400,000 beach restoration question on the agend -- on the consent agenda? I'm sorry. I thought it was B(7), and I was incorrect. MR. CONRECODE: No, you're correct. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Am I? Is that the -- okay. In that case nevermind. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Okay. We have a motion then and a second. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed? Item #4 MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING OF JULY 16, 1996 - APPROVED AS PRESENTED We have some minutes. COHMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Motion to approve the minutes of the July 16, 1996, regular meeting. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Second. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: We have a motion and a second. All those in favor signify by saying aye. And opposed? Item #5A1 PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING THE WEEK OF AUGUST 1-7, 1996, AS COLLIER COUNTY BREAST FEEDING WEEK - ADOPTED Proclamations. Commissioner Hac'Kie, you have one I believe. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: What a wonderful opportunity to recognize something that's so important for our community. Is Laurie Owens here to receive this proclamation? Thank you. If you'll come forward and just face the camera while I read the proclamation. MS. OWENS: Okay. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Whereas, every baby in Collier County deserves the best possible start in life; and Whereas, science is finding out more about how what we feed our babies affects their health and well being; and Whereas, the government, healthcare professionals, and community groups have a role in educating society and families about the best method of feeding infants to enhance their health; and Whereas, all available knowledge indicates that human milk optimally enhances the growth, development, and well being of the infant by providing the very best possible nutrition and immunological protection as well as promoting maternal and infant bonding; and Whereas, the United States has one of the highest infant mortality rates among industrialized countries, and Florida ranks in the bottom half of all states in most infant health measures; and Whereas, breast-feeding has benefits for society through stronger family bonds, increased self esteem, higher IQ for babies, and decreased healthcare costs for mothers and babies; and Whereas, Florida has made improved health for mothers and babies a priority by adopting the statewide Healthy Start initiative; and Whereas, Florida Healthy Mothers, Healthy Babies has joined with the Florida section of NAACOG, the Florida Lactation Consultants Association, the La Leche League of Florida, the Florida WIC program, the Southwest Florida Breast-feeding Task Force, and other community and health professional groups in promoting breast-feeding. Now, therefore, be it proclaimed by the Board of County Commissioners of Collier County, Florida, that the week of August 1 through 7, 1996, be designated as Collier County breast-feeding week. Done and ordered the 6th day of August, 1996, Board of County Commissioners of Collier County, John C. Nor -- Norris, chairman. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to move we accept this proclamation. COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: I'll second that. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: We have a motion and a second to accept this proclamation. All those in favor signify by saying aye. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Thanks. Item #5A2 PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING THE WEEK OF AUGUST 5-9, 1996, AS COLLIER COUNTY PROTECTIVE SERVICES APPRECIATION WEEK - ADOPTED CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Commissioner Hancock, you have a proclamation as well I believe. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: I do, and it says here to be accepted by Don Hunter, but I see we have a cadre of Collier's finest out there that are here to accept this. This is a proclamation regarding protective services appreciation week. And if I could ask you ladies and gentlemen to line up here and face the music. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Line up? COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: It's difficult telling an officer to line up, isn't it? COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: A police line-up of a different sort. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Thank you. Whereas, the problem of crime and safety touch all segments of our society and can undermine and erode the moral and economic strength of our communities; and Whereas, we are fortunate that individuals from protective services agencies in Collier County dedicate themselves to preserving law and order and public safety; and Whereas, we recognize that the men and women in protective services risk their lives daily to protect our citizens and maintain social order; and Whereas, it is appropriate to encourage the residents of Collier County to pay tribute to their protective services agencies; and Whereas, the administrators of Collier County's public service agencies wish to recognize and honor the members of their agencies for their dedication and service to the community. Now, therefore, be it proclaimed by the Board of County Commissioners of Collier County, Florida, that the week of August 5 through 9, 1996, be designated as Collier County protective services appreciation week and that all residents of Collier County are hereby encouraged to honor the men and women in protective services and further are encouraged to always assist them by being responsible citizens. Done and ordered this 6th day of August, 1996, signed John C. Norris, chairman. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion that we accept this proclamation. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Second. COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: I'll second that. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: We have a motion and a second. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Thank you, gentlemen and ladies. Is there anything you want to say? COHHISSIONER MAC'KIE: Yeah, I understand there was a big party on Sunday, like 600 people? MR. SANDERS: Quite a few, but I celebrated one with my grand -- Captain Jim Sanders. Mr. Chairman, if you would permit it I'd like to introduce Lieutenant Tom Smith who will introduce some guests that we have from the Netherlands that are currently attending what they call their police school and what we refer to as a police academy who have been over here visiting us, reviewing how our government and law enforcement works, and this will be a great time to show how our government and people of Collier County appreciate us so they can take this back. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Thank you. Certainly. Go right ahead. MR. SMITH: Good morning. Tom Smith from the sheriff's office. I'd like to introduce you to Michel and Lees. Their -- their full names are Lees Gerda Knijp and Michel Ibrahim Nederstigt. They are attending the police academy, the national police academy, in Holland. It's kind of unique how we came to meet. The commander of their academy located the sheriff's office web site on the Internet, and it was Lees's idea to do an internship in the last month or so of their academy. So they chose to come to the sheriff's office in Collier County or requested to come here, and we accepted, and it's been a very international educational experience. We've learned a lot from them. They've learned a lot from us. I think they've enjoyed their trip. I think they've learned a lot about the county and enjoyed the county tremendously. They did attend the protective services presentation that was done at the Sports Park, and I think that they had an opportunity to meet a lot of very interesting people. So if you have any questions, I'm sure they'd be interested in answering questions. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Questions? MR. SMITH: They're very interesting individuals. COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Just thank you for coming. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: We certainly appreciate them coming. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Do you want to go home, or do you like it here? Good answer. MR. SMITH: I will -- I will add just for the record, though, also that they have been fine examples of police cadet system in Holland. They're very well educated, very knowledgeable, and have really represented their country well. So from the Collier County Sheriff's Office and the community, thank you. COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Thank you. Item #5B EMPLOYEE SERVICE AWARDS - PRESENTED CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Commissioner Matthews, you have some service awards here today. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Yes, I do. We have five today all for ten years. I'd first like to ask John Flomerfelt from the waste water department, ten years. Certificate and your pin, and thank you very much. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Congratulations, John. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: The next one is Jesse Komorny, again from the water department, ten years. Thank you very much. Ten more? COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Thanks, Jesse. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Good. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Thank you. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: I'm going to try to say this next one right. Jacinto Cervantes, parks and recreation, ten years. Thank you. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Is it Jacinto? Spanish I and II really paid off. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: I didn't take Spanish I and II. I took other courses that are different. Next one, William Flynn from OCPH, ten years. MR. FLYNN: Thank you. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Thank you. Ten more; right? MR. FLYNN: Thanks. I'm going to give you ten more, right? COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: You're going to give us ten more? Okay. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Good start. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: And our fifth person today, Constance Johnson from code enforcement, again, ten years. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: The way you're dressed I assume you don't work a lot in the field. MS. JOHNSON: No, no. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Thank you very much, Connie. MR. DORRILL: But she is the reason that the code enforcement department works. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Yes, she is. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Item #5C CERTIFICATES PRESENTED TO GOLDEN GATE ELEMENTARY STUDENTS 5TH GRADE REGARDING A CONTEST TO RENAME LANDFILL ROAD CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Well, our next one should be a little fun here. We recently asked the Golden Terrace Elementary School to have a little contest to rename our Landfill Road, and we have some finalists here in the contest today. And as I call your name, finalists, would you please come up here and stand, and then I'll present to you your certificates. COHMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: They did throw out Bigelow Scenic Highway, didn't they? CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Yes, they did. They threw that one out. Our first one is Tamica Burgess from Mr. Wilson's class. Her suggestion is Wildlife Lane. The next one is Diana Graham from Mr. Bertman's room. Diana's suggestion was Nature Lane. And the final one is Tiffany Rivera from Miss Russo's room. Tiffany not with us this morning? COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Tiffany's still enjoying her summer. MR. BIGELOW: Mr. Chairman, Tiffany had a conflict. She's on a field trip today. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Okay. MR. BIGELOW: Steve Bigelow for the record. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Okay. Well, we'll make sure she gets her certificate. Her suggestion was Bird Lane. And if you two ladies would come forward, I'll give you your certificate here. This one's yours. Thank you. That was very good. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Thank you. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Here's yours. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Thank you very much. Good idea. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Very good work. And who will make sure that we get this one to Tiffany Rivera? MR. BIGELOW: Mr. Chairman, I'll be glad to accept it for her and make sure that she gets it. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Okay. And you have a few words for us as well? MR. BIGELOW: Yes, sir, I would if I may. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, commissioners. It's always a pleasure to be with you. About a year and a half ago when I came to Collier County, one of the first people that I met that was an employee of the county was -- was Joan Mayor. And I had asked Joan to be with us today, but unfortunately she is at the showcase today getting ready for that this afternoon. Joan -- one of the first questions that Joan asked me, would Waste Management continue the tours for the school children. And I said, "By all means absolutely," because I think it's one of the important things that we do with the children, and I encourage you to continue to fund that program. And I also have a presentation that I want to make to our two finalists that are with us today. Diane and Tamica if you could come forward, please. Several months ago when I was talking with Lee Bush, I mentioned to Lee that -- that the landfill advisory committee was desirous of a name change for Landfill Road. And Lee agreed to bring his entire fifth grade class -- classes with the assistance of Joan to the landfill, and they toured the landfill, and they learned all the things that -- that we do every day to protect the environment. And I'm sure that we did not get all of the submittals on the name change. But we did receive approximately eight. And of the eight that we received, the committee decided that they liked the three the best. And they wanted you to consider those three name changes for a -- for a possible name change of Landfill Road. And so on behalf of Waste Management, what I would like to do is present a U.S. government savings bond to each of our finalists today. Thank you so much. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Thank you, Mr. Bigelow. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: That's great. That's great. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: We have a public petition next. While our petitioner is coming forward, I'd like to remind us that we allow ten minutes for a public petition. The board is unlikely to take any action today but may -- may decide to put this on a future county commission agenda for action. Mr. Stahlman, if you'd come forward, please. COMHISSIONER HANCOCK: On the previous item, do we want to put something on the agenda to -- or at least ask staff to put something on the agenda to effect a name change for that road based on the submittals we received? All that good work needs to be utilized. MR. CONRECODE: For the record, Tom Conrecode from public works. That is, in fact, happening. They have to go through the petition process through development services. COMHISSIONER HANCOCK: Fantastic. Thank you. Item #7A RUSSELL C. STAHLMAN REGARDING A PROPOSAL OF A DESIGNATED AREA FOR CATAMARAN SAIL BOATS - STAFF TO INVESTIGATE IMPACT ON DUNES AND COASTAL CONSTRUCTION SETBACK LINES AND COME BACK CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Mr. Stahlman, good to have you here. MR. STAHLMAN: Commissioners, my name's Rus Stahlman. I'm one of many sailboat enthusiasts in Pelican Bay area, and we've recently found out that Pelican Bay area is not a -- designated along the beach an area for hobie cats. Naples has seven areas designated, approximately seven hobie cats in each area. The last area, the north -- northernmost area, south of Pelican Bay, has ten hobie cats in that area. So there's quite a coverage, nearly 60 hobie cat parking areas in the Naples area. Pelican Bay has been -- we have had hobie cats along the beach up there approximately 200 yards south of the -- of the Sand Piper Restaurant and then about 200 yards north of the south restaurant. And everything's been going along fine for the last few years. But there has been a complaint from an individual in the area, a registered complaint. And so consequently, the code enforcement office here has been issuing us citations. And so it was recommended by the code enforcement office, Bill Bolgar, that we request an order for the departments of -- or some departments in this area in the com -- county here to help us go through the steps of getting a designated area or actually two designated areas for hobie cats along the beach up there. And so they -- the Department of Natural Resources was recommended, and the department of recreation was recommended so -- for designated areas for hobie cats, and we would hope to have -- well, the details we can get into later, but that is basically what we're after. We have met with the foundation, the president of the foundation, the general manager of the foundation in Pelican Bay, and we saw no resistance. In fact, I have a letter from them here okaying what we're after. And the only resistance we have had that we know of is a individual and -- COMHISSIONER HANCOCK: If I may, Mr. Stahlman, as Mr. -- as Commissioner Norris indicated, we don't really take official action, but we can give staff direction, and I'd like to put something on the table if the board agrees. There are two areas that need to be looked at before any area can be designated. One is the coastal construction line setback, and the second is the dune line to make sure that the dunes are not being adversely impacted by the -- by the sailboats. If we could direct staff to -- to make sure that -- that these areas that are being asked for comply with those two, I would like to see our staff help work out a -- a location and bring it back to the board so we -- that -- that hobie cats, sunfish, lasers, whatever up to a certain limited number can be parked, if you will, safely and securely in that section of the beach. The city has a -- and, Mr. Olliff, do we have this elsewhere in the county? MR. OLLIFF: (Mr. Olliff shook head.) COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Okay. Because the city has certain requirements that we're going to need -- we would need to adopt similar requirements regarding storm warning and so forth to, again, make sure that these boats don't have an adverse impact to anyone else. In the discussions with Mr. Stahlman, I don't think that's a problem with the folks who are using it now. MR. STAHLMAN: That's right. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: So I'd like to go ahead and ask that we give staff direction to work with Mr. Stahlman and -- and accomplish what he's -- he's requesting. It sounds reasonable. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: I -- MR. STAHLMAN: One other request that I'd like to make at this time is we have had a continuance or we have -- we've had -- or you in your behalf have requested -- COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Thank you. And that's -- that's something I -- I didn't get to just yet. There is a complaint that was filed to code enforcement regarding the -- the boats being in place. Until this matter is resolved by the board, we may need -- do we need official board action to affect that complaint in any way? If it's followed through, the boats have to be removed only to be replaced when this is resolved, so I'd like to see that deferred if possible. MR. DORRILL: We can evaluate staying any code enforcement action pending the board determining where you'd like to see the two locations and under what circumstances people could properly keep boats out there. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: The only concern I would have is that it would be premature to stay the code enforcement action until the board takes some other official action. I mean, we haven't even had acclimation that we're going to go forward with this from the board yet. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Well, I support it. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Commissioner Constantine, do you support going forward with -- COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: That's fine. I -- I would suggest -- CHAIRMAN NORRIS: I do as well, but I think legally we're sort of bound to follow our codes until we do take some action to set aside an area. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Well, there's nothing that -- I mean, my favorite phrase, prosecutorial discretion. There's nothing that says that we can't have the discretion to -- to decide when that will be prosecuted. It's not a question of if, whether or not, just when. COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I'm going to guess that our staff has the common sense that if something is pending they're not going to make them remove them and put them back two weeks later. But again, I don't know that this board needs to be giving specific direction with a specific code enforcement case just like several others we've looked at. But hopefully Neil and everyone have common sense. MR. DORRILL: This would be in line right behind the Lely Barefoot guard house. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Oh, God, somewhere behind that. COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: I -- I was going to say in light -- in light of how many -- how long it has taken some issues to get to the Code Enforcement Board, I would think that this one's probably four, five years away at this point. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: At least. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Mr. Dotrill, then do you understand the direction? MR. DORRILL: I do, and we'll develop a proposal and bring it back to the board. I would -- I would think it'd be hard to do it before you -- you have your brief recess in August but perhaps first meeting in September. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Mr. Stahlman, thank you very much. MR. STAHLMAN: Thank you. Item #882 RESOLUTION 96-340 AUTHORIZING REDUCTIONS OF SPEED LIMITS TO TWENTY FIVE MILES PER HOUR ON DESIGNATED PLATTED LOCAL RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION ROADWAYS THAT ARE THEN DEDICATED TO PUBLIC USE WITHIN COLLIER COUNTY, SUBJECT TO MANDATORY PREREQUISITES - ADOPTED. STAFF TO PROVIDE PUBLIC NOTICE OF PROPOSED STREETS TO BE AFFECTED AND ITEM TO BE PLACED ON CONSENT AGENDA CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Okay. Our next item is item 8(B)(2). MR. ARCHIBALD: Good morning, board members. Agenda item 8(B)(2) involves a resolution that sets forth a new procedure for reducing speed limits in residential areas from 30 miles per hour to 25 miles per hour. The resolution sets forth a process, one involving a petition, staff reviewing that petition, staff providing notice to law enforcement, and then the staff following through with the installation and posting of the reduced speed limit signing. The agenda item outlines our expectations relative to the cost of that procedure and all. And if the board has any questions, we'll gladly attempt to address those. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: I have one. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Go ahead. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: I was just going to say good job. This is something that's needed in -- in subdivisions. However, we need to remind ourselves and our constituents when they call that the sign's no good without enforcement. They need to let the sheriff's office know when there's repeated violations in speeding and so forth so the enforcement -- enforcement can be stepped up. But I think this is a -- a good step and a lot of neighborhoods are long overdue. COHMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Along -- along those same lines, in those areas with which -- in which we change the speed, we need to be very clear in our communication to the sheriff's department so they can do that. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Yeah, I did see that in here that that would be communicated, but I'm supportive of this. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: I have a question. Mr. Archibald, in -- in -- in some areas I understand that there's a speed limit below which the sheriff's office will not and could not realistically have -- have radar checks. And this reducing from 30 to 25, does -- does it get so low that radar becomes impractical? MR. ARCHIBALD: Under this proposal we would limit it to 25 miles per hour. And those radar guns, at least the ones that we have, can pick up travel speeds as low as a 25- to 30-mile-per-hour range. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: I just to want verify that because I've -- I've understood that there -- there are speed limits that are low enough that the guns may not be able to pick them up; even if the sheriff did want to use them, that they can't really differentiate it. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: The only concern this -- this item gives me is that it takes the -- the board out of the loop here, that this will be strictly a staff-approved item. And I'm not sure that the board really wants to do that. I think it should at least come back on the consent agenda after going through this shortened procedure. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Is that for each -- each -- each neighborhood that requests a reduction in speed limit you want it on the consent agenda? CHAIRMAN NORRIS: I think it -- it -- it needs to be because there may be people who have opposition to it -- COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Who object to it. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: -- and need to have their -- their opportunity to voice their opinion. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Yeah, there may be. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: I don't -- I don't really have any interest in slowing down the process, but I -- I think it's only prudent for us to at least give the citizens an opportunity to be here and for the board if they so desire. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Yeah. I don't object to that. I am familiar with the criteria that Mr. Archibald stated when you start looking at road widths, configurations, design parameters and so forth as to whether the speed is appropriate. And I think staff will do a good job with those. But they -- you know, you -- you make a good point. I think that -- that can be added and wouldn't serve in a substantial delay provided the item's placed on the agenda early enough in the process. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Could I ask if we might want to just provide the opportunity for appeal to the board if there's a dissatisfaction? I mean, one individual could appeal it and otherwise we don't have to be clogging up the agenda. If everybody's happy, why -- why bother? CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Mr. Archibald? MR. ARCHIBALD: One of the provisions that is already in the ordinance is that right for the appeal should the staff not recommend for one reason or another a reduction from 35 to 25. And staff could also provide some summary report under a consent agenda item just to provide advanced notice of those areas that are being designated for that. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Actually -- MR. ARCHIBALD: That could also provide some public notice to the law enforcement also. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: My appeal idea is that even if you do recommend, somebody might want to appeal that as well. That would satisfy my concern. COMHISSIONER HANCOCK: And that's provided for. I'm going to support what Commissioner said for the simple reason that if we don't do it that way there will be no public notice of the change other than the signs going down and new ones coming up. By putting it on the consent agenda, there's at least public notice of the change so that folks who read that real tiny print in the paper are informed. COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: That's provided that it's on the consent agenda early enough before the signs come down and new ones go up. COMHISSIONER HANCOCK: Yeah. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Okay. Do we have public speakers on this item, Mr. Dotrill? MR. DORRILL: No, sir. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Okay. Could we have a motion then? COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Motion to approve with the recommendations offered. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Regarding consent agenda? COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Yeah, regarding placing it on the consent agenda. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Will that cause you any undue delay in your procedures, Mr. -- Mr. Archibald? MR. ARCHIBALD: No. I'm -- I'm assuming that that motion does not require a resolution in each and every case, simply a report indicating what our recommendations and proposed action would be, and it would be as a consent agenda item. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: That's correct. COMHISSIONER MATTHEWS: Mr. Chairman, I'd like to adjust my motion to include exactly that, that in each instance there be a report in the consent agenda as to what action is being taken in -- in various neighborhoods to notify people of speed limit changes. COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Are you looking for a second, Mr. Chairman? CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Yes. COMHISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I'll second the motion. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: We have a -- COMHISSIONER HANCOCK: Multiple of seconds. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: We have a multiple -- yes. MR. WEIGEL: Well, I -- I was going to speak up earlier just to say there are a couple places in the resolution that's in the book where singular and plurals don't match up, and I was going to make that change. And in your adoption of the resolution with the additional recommendations you're making here, may the county attorney make the appropriate change in the resolution so it reflects your actions today? CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Okay. Thank you. We have a motion and a second then. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed? Passes. MR. ARCHIBALD: Thank you. Item #8B4 CHANGE ORDER NO. 4 TO CONTRACT 95-2425, COLLIER COUNTY BEACH RESTORATION PROJECT - APPROVED IN THE AMOUNT OF $383,711.15 CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Our next item is the former 16(B)(7) which has been moved to 8(B)(4). COMHISSIONER HANCOCK: Thank you. Mr. Gonzalez, if you could just briefly -- my understanding of this change is that there's not a little meter on the end of the pipe when the sand comes out to tell us how much has gone through. The post survey tells us whether an amount over the contract amount was placed on the beach. And, if so, up to an amount we're -- we're required to pay for that. Is that the crux of this change? MR. GONZALEZ: Yes. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Just wanted that out there in case anyone had any questions. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: This is taken by survey measurement rather than metering is the point. MR. GONZALEZ: Yes, sir, of the actual beach cross-section. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Okay. And what -- there was a cap. In other words, they couldn't dump more than a certain percentage of the contract amount and expect to get paid for it. There was an upper limit and a lower limit. MR. GONZALEZ: Correct, and they're within the range. COMHISSIONER HANCOCK: Okay. Motion to approve. COMHISSIONER MATTHEWS: Second. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Motion and a second. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed? Item #8E2 RESOLUTION 96-337 AUTHORIZING THE SHORT TERM BORROWING NOT TO EXCEED $2,500,000 FROM THE POOLED COHMERCIAL PAPER LOAN PROGRAM TO BE COORDINATED WITH THE FINANCE COHMITTEE AND UTILIZED AS AN ADVANCE FOR GRANTS TO BE RECEIVED IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF EVERGLADES, IHMOKALEE AND MARCO AIRPORTS - ADOPTED Next item, 8 -- woops. Was the former 16(E)(1) and is now 8(E)(2). MR. DORRILL: Mr. Chairman, I don't -- I don't see Mr. Drury here. I've -- I've reviewed the executive summary. I can at least introduce it. You do have one member of the public who's here today who would like to speak on it as well. Your airport authority has prepared a request to utilize your pooled commercial paper program to draw down construction funds in advance of actually receiving their state DOT grants. And while we have received preliminary notice of their intent to issue those grants for capital construction projects at the three airport authority projects, there is a lapse time between when they actually receive our -- receive the reimbursement of the grant and needing to have cash on hand in which to sign construction contracts. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Basically just a timing problem. MR. DORRILL: You have -- you have done this on one prior occasion. This is their second request. There are procedures that are written and required by the bond counsel to effectuate the draw-downs, and they must be reviewed and approved by both bond counsel, the county attorney. And they can only be drawn down on the signature of the county manager. That's the extent to which I am familiar with -- with the request from the airport authority. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Do you know if that is a contingent commitment to fund? I mean, how -- how concrete is the -- is the state money? MR. DORRILL: Well, I know that Mr. Drury is working off of a notice of award type process, and it would not be my intent to sign the draw-down request unless there was some actual physical notification that the funds are -- are coming before we cut POs to -- to execute any construction agreement. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Do we have any idea of the time frame, the lapse? What time frame are we talking about? MR. DORRILL: It can be up to six months is -- is my understanding, and they're paying approximately four and a half to five percent interest on that money during the interim period of time. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: And if we don't proceed with this, will that money from F -- from FDOT or state DOT come anyway in six months? MR. DORRILL: I can't answer that. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Okay. I'm just -- I'm -- my only concern is if we wait six months and avoid all this and it doesn't really put anything behind schedule, no one's lost anything, and I -- you know, I'm just looking for the reason why we're going through this process without Mr. Drury here. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: I think you identified it, though: The scheduling. It's bound to put things behind schedule if you get your money six months later. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Uh-huh. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Behind what schedule? Do we have tenants that are waiting for something that's a revenue producing or is -- you know, I'm -- COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Obviously Mr. Drury would be able to help us better, but I think the answer to that last question is yes with some of the hangars and all that activity but -- COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Okay. COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: I would like to think he wouldn't be asking for it if he didn't envision a scheduling problem. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: I just wanted to make sure but -- CHAIRMAN NORRIS: We have a speaker. Let's go to the speaker. MR. DORRILL: Mr. Betzler, if you would, please, sir. MR. BETZLER: Good morning, Mr. Chairman, fellow commissioners, Mr. Dorrill, Mr. Weigel, Madam Stenographer. My name is John R. Betzler, 1375 Mainsail Drive, Number 1712, Naples, Florida. I forgot my new ZIP Code. My allies and I speak for several thousand citizens in Collier County. The subject I want to talk about here today is the Marco Island Executive Airport. Some guy a long time ago -- I think he was a Brit -- said 40,000 French men can be wrong. If that has an element of truth in it, I think it's possible that seven airport authority people and five county commissioners can all be wrong. You are leading us, the citizens, the taxpayers, into an economic and financial quagmire on this Marco Island Executive Airport thing. You are trying to build an impossible dream on a foundation of sand. And here's why: The corporate jet fad is fading out. Production of corporate jets is decreasing rapidly. Corporations are downsizing. Corporation CEOs are flying commercial, sometimes economy, to encourage the frugality of their company. Private aircraft production has decreased dramatically, and prices of used aircraft are way up. You commissioners and the authority board members are getting most of your information from a very unreliable, immature source whose dishonesty is fact; it's not fiction. The large revenue needed will never be generated by the Marco Island Executive Airport. That is fiction because the airport cannot be operated legally and safely under the silly noise abatement rules that I recently heard were negotiated with the Fiddler's Creek gang. Please do not lead us into this financial quagmire. Thank you. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Is that the only public speaker, Mr. Dorrill? MR. DORRILL: Yes, sir. My -- my understanding is that Mr. Drury is -- is en route if you have any questions. Otherwise I -- I believe I've explained it based on the knowledge that I have of it. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Okay. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: I'd be happy to move to support the request from the airport authority. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Second. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: We have a motion and a second. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed? There are none. Next item, Mr. Dorrill, is your discussion of the Ford test track? MR. DORRILL: Yes, sir, and there are two individuals who still may not be here yet. If we could just maybe go to the next one and then come back to that, I had told them that I'd have it as close to ten as I could. Item #10A RESOLUTION 96-338 APPOINTING DEBORAH COX TO THE HISTORICAL/ARCHAEOLOGICAL PRESERVATION BOARD - ADOPTED CHAIRKLAN NORRIS: Okay. Then our next item is appointment of one member to the historical archeological board. COHMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Mr. Chairman, motion to approve the one applicant. COHMISSIONER HAC'KIE: Second. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Second. COHMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Deborah Jones Cox. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: We have one applicant for one position, motion to approve. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed? Item #10B RESOLUTION 96-339 APPOINTING WILLIAM SPINELLI, HICHAEL SIHONIK AND TOH WALSH TO THE COUNCIL OF ECONOMIC ADVISORS - ADOPTED Next item is appointment of members to the Council of Economic Advisors. COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Mr. Chairman, we're looking to appoint three members. We have three applicants all of whom are qualified. I make a motion we approve William Spinelli, Michael Simonik, and Tom Walsh. COMHISSIONER MATTHEWS: Second. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: We have a motion and a second for approval. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed? There are none. Item #11A ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR CIRCUIT COURT COSTS, OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER COSTS, AND COUNTY COURT COSTS - APPROPRIATED IN THE AMOUNT OF $157,000 AND COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO HAKE A REQUEST TO THE STATE FOR REIMBURSEMENT Next item is ll(A), item concerning additional court funding. MR. DORRILL: Yes, sir. Your court administrator is here. You should have attached to your change list today the executive summary and a revised anala -- analysis -- excuse me -- of the needs. And for that I'll ask Mr. Middlebrook to explain his situation to you. MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Good morning. Mark Middlebrook, senior deputy court administrator for the 20th Judicial Circuit. Mr. Chairman, we came up a little short this year on our court costs. We did not anticipate the several high profile cases we had. Therefore, we are requesting additional funding to make up the shortfall. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: And what is the reason for the shortfall? Could you explain it a little more in depth, please? MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Yes, sir. We had an increase of 600 percent in our expert witness fees. These are fees generated by the state attorney, public defender. We had a 220 percent increase in the witness fee travel expense. That's flying these people in and housing them. Our psychiatric evalu -- evaluations are up 400 percent. Court reporter costs are up 40 percent, and county court operation is up 40 percent. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Uh-huh. You've told us what's up, but I don't think you've told us why they're up. MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Well, we have an increased case load. We've had more high profile cases this year, and basically that's the reason. We've made some adjustments. In the psychiatric exams we've agreed to utilize the David Lawrence Center at a much-reduced rate, and that began last month, so we don't anticipate as great an expense. Court reporter -- reporter costs are up because of a Supreme Court decision that we are no longer allowed to house a court reporter in the courthouse. Therefore, they had to enter a contractual agreement at a different rate. And that was, again, due to a Supreme Court decision. COHMISSIONER HAC'KIE: I have a question about availability of state funds for the shortfall. I mean, obviously we can't put at risk the ability to prosecute criminals in this county. So, you know, this has to be funded. My question is, is there a percentage of this that we can get from the state instead of it all being county money? MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Not specifically for these costs. However, if we do have -- such as in the Crackle Barrel, we'll be eligible for up to $100,000 in reimbursement from the state. These are the famous article 5 costs. COHMISSIONER HAC'KIE: Yeah. I wasn't even going to say article 5 one more time. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Wait. Are we -- are we ready to send them a bill yet for article 5 costs? I'm ready. COHMISSIONER HAC'KIE: I'm ready. COMHISSIONER HANCOCK: Mr. Middlebrook, when you establish your budget at the beginning of the year, do you individually place a certain amount of reserves to cover over -- overexpenditures, or do you fall to the general county reserves? MR. MIDDLEBROOK: We fall to the general county. We've had discussions with the manager, and he in agreement with the judges would prefer to have the county in control of that money than to have it -- once it's turned over to us, it's our understanding that we can spend it. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Is this amount we're seeing an anticipated year end expenditure so that we could -- in other words, this amount if we approve today you believe will carry you through the year. Should there be, please, a lesser amount needed, we will see an itemized change and a return to the board for that. MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Any money left over in our budget at the end of the year is automatically returned to -- to the Board of County Commissioners. COMHISSIONER MAC'KIE: I gotta ask -- COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: I got one question too. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Judicial robes being cleaned in this same budget? MR. MIDDLEBROOK: I'm not aware of that. Let me try and make this a little easier. We have one chunk of money that's given to us. We divide that into two separate categories. The monies that are spent by court administration we are -- that's where the $87,000 is coming from to help offset this. We manage our money very well. The rest of these costs are generated by agencies outside of court administration. I'm not intimating that they are not managing their money well. COMHISSIONER HANCOCK: Public defender, prosecutor. MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Right. They have certain requirements. We're required to pay the bill just as you're required to pay the bill through us. COMHISSIONER MATTHEWS: This is Cassandra; right? MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Excuse me? COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: You're Cassandra. You're just bringing the message. MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Yes. Please don't shoot me. COMHISSIONER HANCOCK: I don't -- I don't know that -- and I agree with your frustration. I -- I feel it too, but I don't know that we have a choice here, and I don't think it's necessarily Mr. Middlebrook's fault. We like to blame people. And if you're willing to accept it, that's fine. MR. MIDDLEBROOK: I make the big money for that, sir. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: But I don't see that we have much choice on this. COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: I've got one question before a motion comes. Your estimate through the end of the year, does that include all of the anticipated witness expenses, expert witness and travel expenses for the Crackle Barrel? MR. MIDDLEBROOK: No, ma'am. That trial's scheduled to start September 30. COMHISSIONER MATTHEWS: Uh-huh. MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Now, we have several bills that have been paid already for that case, but the big bills aren't going to be coming till next budget. MR. DORRILL: He has an estimate that he and I have talked about, and you might as well explain it to them because that case has been remanded to Pinellas County and will be tried in Clearwater I believe, and you -- you might as well tell them now what you all think the estimate is. MR. MIDDLEBROOK: We're estimating $250,000 for the cost of that case. Now, it may be substantially less depending on the number of trials. If we have to do two trials, it'll be a month long which means we have to fly the witnesses in twice. We also have to house them. We have to house all the prosecutors, all the public defenders, and their witnesses. So we're looking at a substantial amount of money. COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Is that amount of money included in -- in your next year's budget? MR. MIDDLEBROOK: It is not included in our budget. In -- discussions with the manager when we were doing the budget is to exhaust all available money first and then come here again as I am now and request additional funding to cover the remainder of the year. COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Mr. Chairman, one more question, please. You -- you had mentioned that there's a possibility of 100,000 or the likelihood of $100,000 rebate on the cost of this trial. Is that a one-time rebate, or is that a per fiscal year rebate? MR. MIDDLEBROOK: It's -- it's through the county attorney's office. They're going to have to make the request, I guess, at your request. COMHISSIONER MATTHEWS: Mr. -- Mr. Weigel? COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: We hereby request. MR. MIDDLEBROOK: It's a one-time -- it's $100,000 per case. COMHISSIONER MATTHEWS: Okay. MR. MIDDLEBROOK: Now, I'm not sure if we can double that because we have two defendants. If we have two prosecutions, we may. That's a question I can't answer. We may be entitled to 200,000. But as I read it, it says 100,000 per case. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Let's request two and see what happens. MR. MIDDLEBROOK: They can only say no. COMHISSIONER MATTHEWS: I'm finished. Thank you. COMHISSIONER HANCOCK: Okay. I'm going to move approval of an additional $157,000 and direct staff to prepare the necessary budget amendment. COMHISSIONER MAC'KIE: Second. COMHISSIONER MATTHEWS: I'd also -- I'd like to ask the motion maker to include direction to the county attorney's office to make the request to the state for the refund. COMHISSIONER HANCOCK: So included. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Second agrees. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: We have a motion and a second for approval. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed? Item #8E3 FORD MOTOR COMPANY TRACK EXPANSION - CHAIRMAN AND COUNTY MANAGER TO MEET WITH FORD REPRESENTATIVES IN DEARBORN, MICHIGAN; COUNTY MANAGER TO FORM A COALITION OF BUSINESS AND ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS TO LOBBY THE STATE; COUNTY TO LOOK AT INVENTORY OF LANDS REGARDING MITIGATION AND COUNTY OWNED LANDS IN ORDER TO ASSIST FORD MOTOR COMPANY And we're ready to go back to our Ford test track item at this time. MR. DORRILL: Yes, sir. I'll -- I will in two minutes explain to you my -- my knowledge of this issue and what I would -- would like to receive as some direction. There's some other individuals from the community. In -- in recognition of your expressed desire to me to have economic development issues as -- as perhaps your number one priority for the coming fiscal year and realizing just what we've been able to find out thus far, I wanted to explain to you the economic impact of their current facilities and their -- their plans and then have asked some other people here to -- to solicit your support in proceeding. The estimated local economic impact of that track currently is five million dollars per year. And while they have very few 12-month jobs, their season runs from October the 1st through the end of Hay every year. And they will have as few as 200 and as many as 400 people teassigned to Collier County who live in what I'm told is up to 100 rental apartments that they reserve at the Fountain View or the -- COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Summer Wind. MR. DORRILL: -- Summer Winds apartment complex that is adjacent to the YHCA, typically one- and two-bedroom apartments that they rent for that entire period. They have 35 local subcontractor agreements that run from security to food service to janitorial and mechanic services. They rent hundreds of cars locally while they are here in order to just facilitate employees back and forth. The lease does expire on January the 1st I believe of the year 2000. Their expansion plans as we've been able to determine thus far were 15 million dollars for their facility that are in concert with their original approved master plan, although their expansion is subject to permitting. What I would like for you to authorize us to do is to work with other individuals in the community to review those plans and make sure that they're in conformance with your -- the board's originally approved PUD for that site to determine an advocacy role for the Board of County Commissioners and for you to take a position on that expansion and then, frankly, to coordinate and direct an immediate meeting if necessary in Dearborn, Michigan, with appropriate Ford Motor Company officials to make sure that they realize your support and that of the community as opposed to what thus far from what I can find out has been a well developed effort on the part of three people and to try and do some further research to determine what the extent of the environmental concerns are and, frankly, whether they're legitimate or not. That concludes my remarks, but there are a number of other people that we've been working with, and I would like for you to hear from them as well, and I'll answer any questions that you have. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Mr. Dorrill, I would -- I've been approached about this by several people and have had the opportunity to learn a little bit about the impacts that you've discussed. We've talked a lot about the type of -- of industry we want here: R and D. That's exactly what this test track is. It's R and D. It's some of the cleanest industry we could have. They rent out those units in Summer Wind. They rent them for the entire year just to use them for six or eight months and that kind of thing. There is a tremendous impact here. And I think we need to do whateverws reasonable to keep that type of industry in Collier County. And I would even go as far as to authorize the monies from this fiscal year that are remaining in travel for the chairman if he needs to travel to a meeting in Dearborn, Michigan, to show the level of sincerity that this county has for keeping that type of industry here. But, you know, I mean, I think we need to take those kind of steps to show the support necessary. COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: No. I -- I concur, and it was just two weeks ago we were talking about corporations and their conscience in a community. You were talking about Sports Authority and Toys R Us and the others that are going up without a care for what the requirements are here. And there are the obvious benefits to our economy and so on. But Fordws been a good corporate neighbor. They gave $6,000 to our midnight basketball program. They gave money to the latchkey program. They provided a van for our veterans for their medical service. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: They donate cars to the sheriffws. COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: They donate cars to the sheriffws department. Theywve just been a great corporate neighbor. And to lose that would be terrible. COMMISSIONER MACIKIE: Horrible. COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: The only comment that -- that I have to make, and I -- and I fully support all -- all thatls been said today. You know, corporate in -- inclusion in the area of, you know, economic developmentls very, very important. However, I -- I have had complaints from citizens that live in the eastern part of Golden Gate Estates, and Iim sure that we can work this out. But the complaints deal mostly with some of the test track driving is occurring on public roads in the eastern estates, and we might want to work with them to assure that thatls not gonna happen in the future because that has become a problem with relatively high speed on very narrow roads. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Well, I think thatls a problem we could discuss with them. Mr. Dotrill, do we have some people that would like to -- MR. DORRILL: About four -- four speakers who -- who will be fairly quick. Mr. Goodlette, youill be first. Mr. Pistner, youill follow Mr. Goodlette. MR. GOODLETTE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Dudley Goodlette. Iim -- I guess Iim here on behalf of the chamber EDC coalition or the Economic Development Council or just personally. Iim not -- not in any representative capacity. My -- I became aware of the -- of some of the problems that were occurring with respect to the expansion at a meeting that Sheriff Hunter asked me to attend with representatives of the hospital and representatives from his department. And -- and he really had asked Mr. Passidomo, chairman of the EDC, attend and -- and John to attend that. John asked me to attend it in his place because of a scheduling conflict, and I became aware at that time for the first time of -- of -- of the good corporate community citizen that Ford Motor Company is. Mr. Storrar couldnlt be here this morning, and I -- hels authorized me to indicate to you that -- that currently the sheriffls department -- there are six vehicles that Ford Motor Company has provided to them that are contained within their fleet. At a peak point in time it has been as many as 70 vehicles in their fleet. They've calculated the savings to the taxpayers of Collier County conservatively from -- from -- in the 6 years that they've been involved in this program to be in excess of $700,000 worth of vehicles that would have had to have been purchased or maintained. And I think those are significant numbers, and those are numbers that -- that I don't know why Ford Motor Company is hiding its light under a bushel on this. I don't know why we don't know that. But for whatever reason we don't. And -- and now I think it's important that we do, that we are aware of some of those facts as these important decisions are made regarding whether they expand or not in Collier County. And in that regard I have just this morning spoken with Gregory Speck who is a -- a division manager. He has a -- he's actually the certification test lab coordinator, and his title is department manager of the Dearborn proving ground as well as the Florida evaluation center department. And he is really the boss of the person who is on site here, Matt Sear. And he has indicated to me just for your edification this morning he did not know that this was on the agenda. I had informed him that I had talked with your manager yesterday, and he has -- I have his full authority to tell you that -- that what they have -- basically the decision that corporate has made in this matter is not to proceed with their plans for expansion simply because -- not because they can't comply with the environmental permitting issues, not because of some of the issues that have been raised by the two or three people who have objected perhaps but simply because of the process itself. The counsel that they have received from their legal counsel and environmental counsel is that this is just an ongoing, ongoing, ongoing process in Florida. And -- and I guess they -- they figure that, you know, it's -- it's just not worth it. It's -- and that's basically what he related to me this morning. And -- and he indicated that -- that if that could be turned around, then perhaps the corporate decision in Dearborn could be turned around. If there was some way that this could be ex -- expedited, so be it. I think the advice that they've received -- and I'm sure it's good advice -- is that -- is that this is legislative in nature. And the standing issues and some of the other issues that we all have some familiarity with probably just, you know, make this more of a stretch than they're willing to -- to undertake. Or at least that was the decision that was made. Whether or not that can be intercepted at this point, I commend your manager and the des -- and -- and, Mr. Hancock, your conversations. I think that whatever we can do to -- to not -- this would be a huge loss for those of us who have been toiling in the vineyard of economic developments in Collier County for some time. This would be a very difficult loss I think. And we would like to retain them. And I think -- and they -- by the way, Mr. Speck indicated to me this morning that he wanted me to know and wanted me to relate to you that he appreciates the support that -- that that company and that test site has received from -- from this commission, from the -- from the private sector, from the public -- public sector, and from the -- from the community at large. But this expansion just seemed to hit a snag, and that's because of the permitting requirements. And so for what it's worth, I just relate that to you. If Matt Sear who happens to be on vacation this week were in town, I'm sure he would be here to answer some more specific questions, but that's sort of the best we could do on short notice. There are other people. Mr. Morton is going to speak to you and the discussion we had at the sheriff's department. Believe me, the hospital is a huge beneficiary, and our community is a beneficiary of Ford Motor Company's generosity. And those are my comments, Mr. Chairman. I'd be glad to answer any questions. COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Mr. Goodlette, I -- I've got -- I've got questions. Number one, I like that phrase "toiling in the vineyard of." But how -- how can we or -- or is there available a list or a listing of the obstacles and/or agencies that we -- we might be able to look at in order to look at the specific concerns and see if there's a way to address them and get them handled? MR. GOODLETTE: I would hope that that's the case. Mr. Weigel -- COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: But is there ways? MR. GOODLETTE: -- could -- could -- could look into that. But yes, I -- I would -- I have to believe there are ways to -- to expedite this permitting process when there's a very worthy reason to do it. And -- and I -- I don't -- I'm not -- certainly not an expert on that. Mr. Weigel could -- could answer those questions. But yes, I'm hopeful that there is a way that the process could be -- we could intervene in that process to -- to the benefit of an entity, corporate citizen that we'd like to retain. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Commissioner Matthews -- COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: One thing that occurs to me as a possibility is just like everybody in the world has standing to object, can we as -- as a county government assert standing in support of their application with the state? I mean, that -- that might be a process we should explore. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: I know there are -- there are several speakers that we want to -- want to hear. I do have an idea of how we can take a proactive approach and maybe involve the same elements that could be hurdles potentially on this side. And I'll be happy to outline that at the appropriate time, but I want to wait to hear from all the speakers before doing that. MR. GOODLETTE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. MR. DORRILL: Mr. Pistner and then either Ms. -- Ms. Krier or Mr. Passidomo who I see is here also. MR. PISTNER: Stephen Pistner representing the President's Council for Greater Collier County. We join with Mr. Goodlette and many others who are so deeply concerned about the potential loss of this expansion. But even more important, having spent so much of my career in the large corporations, I've been on both sides of these questions so often. The pressures that are brought to bear inside the corporations that affect these decisions really require as commissioners that you seriously consider the mechanism that allows you to be at the very forefront not only of saving these companies who are considering changes in their base but to be in the forefront at the first notification. So much of that pressure that's in the corporate offices, taking this as an example, are most likely due to the corporate decision that says which of the test tracks should we eliminate. It's very likely that that's at the base of the Ford Motor Company decision. So it becomes very simple that when somebody puts any significant pressures on them they have so many alternatives because of the high quality of this facility and the fact that so many states want this kind of business that it makes an easy decision when you put the pressures on them to simply say, let's not expand. But really, in fact, behind it is the decision to remove their facility. I've been told that many of the test tracks will be eliminated in the United States. So we hope that in the future not only that you will move very quickly but that you build in the mechanism to act and respond immediately because inside the corporation they have been working on this for a year or more. What do you need to do? You really need to make that trip to Michigan and do it within the next ten days to reach to the office of the individual most responsible and in a face-to-face meeting. That face-to-face meeting cannot be replaced with any other mechanism if you want to be successful in retaining this. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Thank you, sir. MR. DORRILL: Miss Krier and then Mr. Passidomo. MS. KRIER: Good morning, Mr. Chairman, commissioners. For the record, I'm Ellie Krier with the chamber EDC coalition and obviously in support here today of the Ford Motor Company. Just two minor points that haven't been brought up in -- in the list of -- of many. One is that Ford is obviously the epitome of a good neighbor. They move to town, and they don't ask for a lot, but they're willing to lend you what they have. You may or may not be aware, but they work with your director of emergency management in terms of both staging and storage and maintenance for facilities during a severe storm event. That is available to you out there. On a local community level, they are the major sponsors for the NAACP banquette every year. Just one more thing to add to the list. Ford families, to the best of the chamber's knowledge as of six months ago, can be found at Summer Winds, World Tennis Center, Park Shore Resort, and Naples Bath and Tennis in some significant numbers. But finally and most importantly, I think we need to make the point that as you hear people coming up today saying, I mean, it looks like a last ditch effort, it's important to note that it is Ford's personal corporate policy that they do not court community support. They are a quiet neighbor. They are not asking for anything. They've not asked for anything. They went through standard hoops with no preference, and they ran into some snags. We're here for them now. They never asked us to be here. In fact, they asked us not on occasion. So please keep in mind that they are the ultimate and the quiet neighbor. And if we can at the last minute do something, that would be wonderful. But -- but this has been their corporate culture to be here and be quiet and -- and supportive. And -- and this is a designated Ford community, and we hope it stays that way. Thank you. MR. DORRILL: Mr. Passidomo, then Mr. Erlichman. MR. PASSIDOMO: Good morning, Mr. Chairman, members of the commission. My name is John Passidomo. I'm chairman of the Economic Development Council of Collier County. If -- in the brief amount of time that may be allotted, if -- if I could indulge you to just put this issue in an historical context in its recent history -- and it's all -- it's one that we've all shared -- last year when the Board of County Commissioners had the foresight and the vision to identify economic diversity of one of -- as one of your top five priorities for the ensuing five-year planning cycle, you asked the Economic Development Council to development strategies to implement those economic prosperity goals. And as part of that process, the Economic Development Council working with your Council of Economic Advisors developed those strategies and -- and submitted a plan for economic prosperity to the Board of County Commissioners on May 3. As part of the leadership of -- of this board, Mr. Chairman, that plan has now been funded. Those implementation strategies are -- are being organized, and the Board of County Commissioners is allotting $122,000 out of occupational license taxes towards achieving the principal objective of that plan, and that is to retain and expand good corporate citizens. The Economic Development Council is contributing $135,000 to that effort, and we look forward to continue to being a partner with the Board of County Commissioners, with the Council of Economic Advisors, and with your staff. We have talked to -- to your management team and Mr. Dotrill about developing a strike force of leaders from the private and public sector in scheduling a meeting which we anticipate holding this week, as early as tomorrow if we can coordinate the schedules of all those who are interested, everything from the civic associations to the public sector, the private sector, leaders from the economic development community, and the chambers of commerce throughout the community, the president's council, and obviously the sheriff's office and so many others who enjoy the benefits of having Ford as such a model corporate citizen. A suggestion was made by Mr. Pistner about sending a signal to Ford, delivering that signal in person in Dearborn. We concur that that's the way to send a signal that we in Collier County are very serious about this initiative with economic diversity and that in order to send that signal in a serious way the only way to do that is to deliver it in person. We look forward to working with you on that effort. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Thank you. MR. DORRILL: Mr. Erlichman, then Mr. Morton. MR. ERLICHMAN: Good morning. Gil Erlichman. I reside in East Naples. I find myself in the position that I never thought I would be in since I've lived here in Collier County, and that is to stand in the same corner as the EDC and support them. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: I think they're all shocked as well, Mr. Erlichman. MR. ERLICHMAN: Thank you. Reading about this in the newspaper and then -- I -- I was not -- I'm not even prepared to speak. But when -- when this item came up this morning, I had to get up and say something. And I'd like to remind the commissioners of the meeting two weeks ago when Gale Brett from the Department of Environmental Protection was here and had maps on the wall and was talking about the difficulties of buying property from property owners in Golden Gate Estates and so forth, et cetera. And this commissioners (sic) should remember and remind themselves the insidious nature of the environmental program and the environmentalists. I -- I think they're -- they're going to -- they're trying to strangle the economic development in Florida, and they're doing so right now with this Ford test track. I never heard of flor -- of the Ford test track being a bad neighbor, causing any type of disturbance or any damage to the area or -- the only thing I heard was Miss Matthews say that there was speeding on the roads, but I never heard -- COHHISSIONER MATTHEWS: That can be worked out. MR. ERLICHHAN: -- saw anything in the paper. But other than that, we're -- we're -- we're right now I think at a watershed where we have to stop the encroachment of the environmentalists and their programs from coming in here and killing good corporate neighbors and discouraging the movement -- moving in of R and D industries and so forth. And to me, I think that the suggestion of the gentleman that was speaking over there -- I forget -- Mr. Pistner I think his name is -- of you -- of somebody going from the commission up to Ford Motor Company and asking them and telling them that they're a good neighbor and we would like them to stay down here in Collier County. Thank you very much. MR. DORRILL: Mr. Morton and then Mr. Reynolds. MR. MORTON: We're all Johnny-one-note here. Good morning. For the record, my name is Edward Morton. I'm here as many of the speakers. I've got so many hats on, it's hard for me to relate. So I'll concentrate on the hospital and some interesting research I've been doing this week having nothing to do with the Ford test track, but it involves Ford Motor Company. First off, as respects the hospital -- and many of you know that I have spent my life in Collier County. I've been here since my dad brought me here in 1947 and been here ever since. I've only had the one job which is at the hospital. So I think the perspective I'd like to bring is Ford Motor Company is one fine neighbor. They're working hand in glove with us in Immokalee. And if you want an identification of a project where people don't get any credit, they're providing the vehicles to us at virtually no cost that is allowing us to reach out into the entire migrant community at no cost to the Collier County taxpayers or no cost to the people who use Naples Community Hospital. And the number of vehicles is approaching in my mind quite staggering proportions. We have representatives in Dearborn today. They're sitting down negotiating with the truck division of Ford Motor Company for vans and four-wheel-drive vehicles that will be specifically adapted to the rural community. We have currently approaching 30 vehicles. They turn them over. We put a certain number of miles on them and turn them back again. Our annual savings is over $500,000 per year. Now, part of the history that I unearthed this week, some of us are working with the junior achievement and struggling with trying to come up with some people that are deserving of, I think, recognition. Without getting into that, part of the research I did was I unearthed that a lot of Naples and our tradition and our roots go back to engine research, and I like the use of that word. The Outboard Marine Company and the Briggs and Stratton division, Briggs family, had their first outboard marine research facility right here in -- in -- in Naples. Another matter that I -- I discovered was a man by the name of Ed Frank which many of us may know of the name, the Frank family, Mr. Frank developed many of the techniques used by the Ford Motor Company in 1927 of burning in Ford Motor Company engines back when the bearings didn't seat properly. He developed a technology and equipment that was actually used in Dearborn for the manufacture of Model A Ford Motor Company vehicles and the engine itself and the technique for burning that engine in and having it sit very smoothing and seat properly in the assembled automobile was developed right here in Naples as well. So Ford has a tremendous lineage within our community that I think should cause all of us to reach out and try to identify the good things that corporate citizens can bring to the table. As opposed to looking at the negative side of corporate life, here's a wonderful example of what they can do working in concert with a local community. And we from the hospital and speaking as a private citizen, a member of the EDC affiliated with the sheriff's department, I wholeheartedly endorse our collective efforts to reach out to this wonderful citizen and try to recruit them and bring them back into this community on a, I hope, long-term bases. It would be beneficial to all. Thank you very much. MR. DORRILL: Mr. Reynolds, and Sheriff Hunter will be your final speaker, Mr. Chairman. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Okay. MR. REYNOLDS: Good morning, Mr. Chairman, members of the commission. Alan Reynolds speaking to you today as chairman of the EDC chamber coalition. And without repeating a lot of what has already been said, this community has for 13 years enjoyed the benefits of the Ford Motor Company. They have a first class facility. I hope you've all had a chance to see it. The proposal that they have made that has already been approved by your staff through the site plan process is consistent with your plan. It's consistent with their PUD. The indication as has been mentioned that we got is that Ford does not have the need or desire to engage in a protracted community battle. It's very important that this community communicate its support and its appreciation. They have clearly been a quiet good neighbor. This has already been said in so many ways to this community. I think your county manager's initiative as he has outlined is one that deserves your full support. I can offer you the coalition's full support. We have committees that have been working very diligently on figuring out ways to streamline the often painful permitting process. It can be very lonely when you're out there as a petitioner trying to get through that process. So let's see what we can do to help turn around that decision that has been made and move this forward. Appreciate it very much. Thank you. MR. DORRILL: Sheriff? SHERIFF HUNTER: Morning. And one last perspective: Law enforcement. We, of course, had a very long relationship with Ford Motor Company to the tune of about 58 vehicles in the fleet. As the board is well aware, we have kept you updated on how that has been going. At one point we had a total savings to taxpayers of in excess of three quarters of a million dollars in the fleet alone not including training for certifying the mechanics who operate the garage, not including special training courses that Ford has sponsored and conducted at their proving ground on Desoto Avenue for deputy sheriffs to acquaint them with vehicle, vehicle handling characteristics, and traction issues, to improve our driving records and our safety records. My -- that aside, all of the finance aside and the issues attached to dollars which are very large and I think gross savings to taxpayers and currently we're running about $200,000 per annum with Ford Motor vehicle donations to the agency not including drive trains, motors, et cetera, the other issue is Desoto Boulevard. Very remote area of Golden Gate Estates, very infrequently traveled by the public other than arsonists, people who poach. Therews an -- therews a preserve there. We do try to patrol that area. The way that Iwm viewing it is that Ford Motor Company provides a level of visibility, a -- some natural surveillance, if you will, driving those roadways. They have helped us, not hindered us, in terms of preventing arson and other violations of law in that area by their mere presence. To -- for the individual who owns the preserve, Dr. Gore -- and I have had many meetings with Dr. Gore, some extended and some not so -- to suggest that we remove that natural surveillance capability out of the area would mean a fairly dramatic impact on taxpayers, potentially a very dramatic impact on him. If youwll remember the arsons that we have experienced in that particular area, 1985, w87 and we have even more recent ones that were not as catastrophic as the earlier ones just to the north of the proving grounds, I think we would be making a mistake moving the proving grounds out of the area. It is right now in very deep coverage, remote, off the road. I canwt think of a better location for it in my mind. I would also add that we have been dramatically supported, as it has already been reported by the previous speakers, that Ford Motor Company as a corporate sponsor is very quiet about what they do for and in the community, but they have supported junior deputy league to the tune of about $20,000 over the last few years adding in monies to support our efforts to -- to bridge communication gap between adult and child and especially law enforcement and child. And I would very much not like to see that removed from this area. I donlt believe I could add anything further. As far as speeding, we have had a number of -- I wouldnlt call them sermons. But Ford Motor invites us out to speak and talk about traffic laws, traffic safety. And our STEP program, our STEP group, especially Sergeant Grieve, goes out and does provide training for their test drivers and asks them to keep the speed to the proving ground alone. And we have not had that many complaints out in that particular area directed to me. We do have an ongoing program, if you will, with Ford Motor. They are aware and concerned about their test drivers as well. And actually thatls a liability for them and their insurance policies. And they have, I think, a very strict program and very strict policy pertaining to that. Thank you. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Thank you. SHERIFF HUNTER: Any questions for me? CHAIRMAN NORRIS: On the -- on the one hand, we have, oh, gosh, who knows how many federal and state agencies that are involved in these environmental permitting processes. And, of course, we have our own local staff as well and our own local regulations and our development services department that helps us look after those very, very sensitive areas that we have out on the eastern part of the county in particular. And, of course, we have a responsibility to take care of that environment. On the other hand, if what we have here is simply a case of someone trying to control someone elsels property through the use of specious environmental charges, then we have a responsibility to the community as the board of commissioners to help support the Ford Motor Company in their efforts to -- to continue to be a good corporate neighbor to us. So if it's the desire of the board to go forward with the suggestion of Mr. Dotrill and have our -- our meeting with Ford in -- in Michigan, at least it's summer. We could go ahead and do it now. CONNISSIONER HANCOCK: I -- I agree wholeheartedly, and I'd like to -- to go one step further. Ford's been a great corporate neighbor and has asked for nothing from this board that they were not entitled to. And that was merely a rezoning and site development plan approval that was done in a very -- what I would call an environmentally friendly way to do what they've done out there. And if you've been out there, you can recognize that. I find it ironic that just today we appointed to the Council of Economic Advisors a representative from the Conservancy. What great timing. By forming an environmental and business coalition to support Ford Motor Company, I think we can go beyond what this board can individually do. And I think we need to go beyond just the proclamation or the idea that we support them. I would like to see three things happen. I'd like to see the chairman or his designee authorized to undertake a trip to Dearborn to meet with Ford executives as soon as possible and that the county manager be involved in that. Second thing is I'd like to see the chairman or his designee along with the county manager form a coalition of business and environmental groups to lobby the state. This is where it's gonna happen. The state Department of Environmental Protection is where a rogue environmentalist is going to get their inroad. And we can't let a single person acting as a organization detail a very vital economic train in this community, and that's precisely what has happened to date. So that needs to happen. That coalition needs to be formed, and that support needs to be taken full speed ahead to the state, to our senators, our representatives, and I think we have a Governor that had a cook shack. COMHISSIONER MATTHEWS: Yeah, he did. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: He seemed to have a problem getting his cook shack permitted and might be receptive to a five million dollar economic boon in this county being taken away because of one person's direction of another person's private property rights. COMHISSIONER MATTHEWS: So you think the Governor will understand the problem. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: He's a Democrat, but there's always hope so -- and third -- COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: We won't -- we won't present that part of the record to him. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Let's not. COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Let's not include that in the record. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Don't ask me to write the letter. And the third thing is maybe the county needs to look at its inventory of lands, that if there is some required mitigation, there might be county-owned lands that can be a part of that mitigation that we have no anticipated or intended use for to assist the Ford Motor Company if that -- if that's a recourse. Those are the three things that I wanted to form. And in any capacity that I can assist in those, I'd like to because I think this is incredibly important. COHMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I'll make those three suggestions a motion. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: I'll second. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Second. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: We have a motion and a second. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed. PUBLIC COHMENT - GIL ERHLICHHAN REPRESENTING TAG REGARDING THE COST OF THE AGENDAAND WHY THE NEWS MEDIA DOES NOT PAY FOR IT - DISCUSSED Do we have any public comment today? MR. DORRILL: Yes, sir. I have two. Mr. Erlichman. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Just while he's coming up, great job, Neil, for getting this on the agenda -- COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: And moving it fast. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: -- and getting everybody's attention quickly. MR. ERLICHHAN: I'd like to congratulate the commissioners on the previous action that you've taken, and thank you. The purpose of my public comment today is that the organization that I'm a member of, TAG, received a bill, their yearly bill, from the county of $440 for the executive -- executive summary, the full pack, which includes just everything that the commissioners get. And someone put a bug in my ear last week, and they said, "You know that the Naples Daily News doesn't pay for their executive summary, full pack." I said, "Oh, yes?" So I thought I'll investigate. Well, I did so yes -- Friday and this morning. And I have a copy here of the sheet -- sign-in sheet that the organizations and individuals sign when they pick up their executive summary, either the full pack or the part that doesn't con -- or the -- COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Agenda. MR. ERLICHHAN: -- agenda that does -- that contains -- doesn't contain the back-up material. That's called a CV. So all these organizations on here, some of them -- Agnoli, Barber, Brundage; American Engineering; Chamber of Commerce; Naples Area Collier Building Industry; Conservancy -- they pay just as TAG does, pay $440 for the full pack. But according to my source which is in the Collier County manager's office, the Fort Myers News Press, the Marco Eagle, the Naples Daily News, WNOG, Colony Cable, and WBBH do not pay one penny for their -- either the full pack executive summary or the -- the one that doesn't contain the back-up. The four organizations that I'll name -- Fort Myers News Press, Marco Eagle, Naples Daily News, and WNOG -- get the full pack. They get the exact same thing that TAG pays for, that the Conservancy pays for, Cummings and -- and Lockwood, $440. They do not pay one penny, the news media. And the Colony Cable and WBBH each get the pack with -- without the back-up and they pay two hundred -- they don't pay anything for that, and that's worth $250. Well, the total cost of the sub -- of subsidizing the news media to the taxpayers of Collier County is $2,260. It's a drop in the bucket. It means nothing. But there's a principle involved. Why should individuals or other organizations have to pay for these -- for the executive summary and the news media don't -- do not? They are profit-making enterprises. They sell advertising, et cetera. Now here is a real -- the real kick in the pants to the taxpayers. Collier County places in the Sunday news -- Sunday Naples Daily News the agenda, and it costs the county $23,000 for placing the agenda every Sunday in the newspaper. Now, I don't -- this -- there is no quid pro quo here. The county has to pay for the placement of those -- the agenda which is in the advertising section, but Naples Daily News gets the copy of the executive summary full pack for nothing. I think there should be an adjustment made where all the news media have to pay the same price as any individual or any other corporate entity in Collier County for obtaining the executive summary. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Thank you, Mr. Erlichman. COHMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I think it's traditionally been board policy to do it this way, but Gil makes a point. They're trying to make a profit, and -- and God bless them for doing that. But I'm curious as to what the origins of the board policy not to charge certain organizations. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: I can answer that I think. COHMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I don't remember. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: I can answer that. That's -- what -- what they're using the information for is not their own purposes but to disseminate that to the public. It's how we get information out to the public. And therein lies the distinction, Mr. Erlichman. MR. ERLICHHAN: Well, but then why does the county have to pay to place the agenda in the newspaper to the tune of $23,000? CHAIRMAN NORRIS: That's a different question. COHMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I think Gil might have a point. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: I -- COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: I think with each of the -- each of the budget hearings we've been having for the last couple of years we've been searching for ways not to have to advertise the agenda in the newspaper. We've been trying to find ways possibly to put it on the -- what -- channel -- channel 10 or channel 11 on the cablevision. We've been looking for ways to put it on channel 54. You know, none of that's come to pass yet, but excellent point, and perhaps that's one reason we should look further into broadcasting it by electronic media or even putting the agenda on a diskette instead of paper copies. MR. DORRILL: The -- COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: I'm inclined to agree with Commissioner Constantine. There's a very -- I mean, there's point in that. I understand, you know, getting it out. But we could send the -- we could send this out -- COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: That's all they print. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: -- with all the items on it without the back-up, and that's getting the information out. And if they want the back-up, they can do like everyone -- I mean, they're down here every day anyway. You know, it's not like they don't have access to the information. So I'm going to chew on that one a little while. I -- I -- I think that's an interesting idea. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Get out your checkbook, Emma. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Next. PUBLIC COHMENT - DISCUSSION REGARDING CUTTING AGRICULTURAL AGENTS FROH THE BUDGET IN THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR - DISCUSSED MR. DORRILL: Mr. Chairman, there's another public comment today concerning the horticultural and agriculture extension agents. There are about five different people who all want to speak on the same thing, and I have indicated to them that that's typically not your policy but that I would defer to you to -- to indicate how you want to -- to proceed with this issue. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Well, if we're having a group of people coming up here to lobby on a specific item, I don't believe this is the forum to do that. If -- if they would like to have a spokesman represent their views and have one of them speak, I think that's probably appropriate. But we'll be discussing these items on a regularly scheduled meeting at some point in the future here very shortly, and that would be the appropriate time to come up and make individual views known. COHMISSIONER HAC'KIE: I -- I guess I want to disagree. Public comment's public comment, and nobody can speak exactly for me. I mean, if it's an organization and they have an official position, that'd be one thing. But if they're five people with opinions on an issue, I think that's what public comment's for. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: I agree with that. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Rather than spend 15 minutes debating it, why don't we just go ahead. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: What a concept. MR. DORRILL: Mr. Ellis. Mr. Jacobs, you'll follow Mr. Ellis, Mr. Jacobs. MR. ELLIS: Good morning, Chairman, commissioners. I'm Jerry Ellis. I'm a member of the Florida Nurserymans' and Growers' Association. I'm on the South Florida Water Management agricultural advisory committee for the past four years. We're here or I'm here and most of the people left in the audience in the back, we want to speak about our agricultural extension agents that in this budget coming up we're going to lose three of our four agents. These agents for agriculture do a extensive -- a lot of work for us. What happens in Florida, which it's probably very unique, we cannot take a book off the shelf from any other library in any other state. Florida with its climatic conditions is completely different here. All the research done in any other state is not affected. The heat here, the humidity here degrades all our material much quicker than, let's say, in Georgia, Kentucky, Texas, or anyplace else. Fertilizer up there can be on the ground six months, nine months. The best fertilizer -- the same fertilizer here may last three months. It's the agricultural extension agents that do this research that tell us what we need to put out on the lawns to keep them green and lush without run-off and cause nutrient pollution in our bays, in our water supplies. The extension service through their network throughout the state does all this research. They do the same research on pesticides, miticides, herbicides, again, trying to tell us professionals how to do a proper job and not degradate a beautiful place we have here. Collier County, as we drive around, probably 80 percent of all plant material you see here is not native. It's come in from other exotic parts of the world. And when you bring in these beautiful blooming tabboulehs and everything else, they have no natural predators here. And thusly, anything that attacks them, we have to apply a chemical usually to keep these plants living or fungicide to keep them from our heavy rains. Again, it's the research that tells us what to use, what's most effective, and what's the least amount we want to use. We don't want to put out anything more than we have to. It's not cost effective. We all have a budgetary problem. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Jerry, can I ask you a question? MR. ELLIS: Yes. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: I -- I agree with everything you're saying. I know it's a very important function. But why should the public sector underwrite your industry? Why shouldn't you through some sort of fees or some -- some other -- some mechanism -- I mean, you're in the business to make a profit, and I respect that and support it. But I don't see why tax dollars should go to provide that research for your industry. MR. ELLIS: Well, we do support it several ways. Of course, now 60 percent of these agricultural extension agents' salary is paid by Collier County. The other 40 is from IFAS. At the same time all our commodity groups back here from vegetable, citrus, I mean, right on down, fruit crops, we all support SHARE which is another program at the university that does that research too. We all do that, and they use the tax funds off that. It seems like at this point in Florida there is no other real research on all these important items. I mean, we're talking six or eight research stations that does this. And they just disseminate the information to us. COMHISSIONER MAC'KIE: And my idea -- because I know you and I have been playing phone tag on this and trying to talk to each other. But my idea is that the licensing fee perhaps for your industry should be included to support this necessary person but that it isn't a general tax fund. MR. ELLIS: Well, I believe in the past we've even said that we would go to that even though we do believe agriculture with -- I can just speak for my commodity group. I think in 1993 there's 17 million dollars worth of green goods sold here; again, taxes and everything that comes from that. So we do look on both sides of that, and that's just my only commodity group. We're not talking lawn maintenance or anything else like that which is a billion dollar industry in Florida. But again, we -- if we had to, we'd like -- we would go to that, and we have spoken to that before, and the LMA will do that and I'm sure the nurserymans' But there's a lot out there that, again, we're just trying to protect our environment, and this is one of our main resources to do that, horticulture. COMHISSIONER MATTHEWS: Mr. Chairman, I'd -- I'd like to make a comment. I thought in the budget process we had -- we had given direction and asked the agriculture extension department to look at a fee program to restore these funds so that positions were not necessarily lost but to look at a fee-based program. And I understand the landscaping community has already agreed to institute fees for their -- their information that they gain. And while -- while I agree with what the Florida nurserymans' position is that, quite -- quite frankly, they -- they pay some pretty heavy taxes and -- and they produce abundant amounts of money to the economy, they get very, very little government services back for it. I -- I do want to remind this board of that, that they're only getting 27 percent of the value for what they pay. But -- but still I think it's more important that we maintain the service and find some way to do it, whether it fee based or tax based. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Thank you, Mr. Ellis. MR. ELLIS: Thank you. MR. DORRILL: Mr. Jacobs, then Mr. Roan. MR. JACOBS: Morning. For the record, my name's Larry Jacobs. I'm a staff member of Glades Crop Care. We're an agricultural consulting firm which performs integrated pest management tasks as well as making control recommendations for the management of any of our growers' crops. Our company's been in business since 1973. I have a degree in plant pathology with a minor in entomology, and the rest of our staff holds degrees in various agricultural fields including doctorate level degrees. So I feel it'd be safe to say that we have extensive firsthand knowledge and expertise with area growers as well as extension services provided to them and the community. Once more our area vegetable growers are feeling the squeeze. This time it's supplied by our own government officials. It's not enough that the federal government has given foreign grown vegetables an unfair competitive advantage. How do you mitigate this competitive advantage? Well, it's technology, research, and extension. Now this board of commissioners has voted not to budget the county share, 40 percent, of the commercial extension agents and their secretary's salary. Even though commercial agriculture is one of Collier County's largest businesses and it pays its share of taxes, the majority of these commissioners feel that agri business should suffer a reduction in services for their tax contribution. This in itself seems rather unfair since statistics seem to demonstrate that commercial enterprises already see a lower return on their contribution. The positions in jeopardy are being lost for the sake of a relatively small amount of money. In addition to -- in addition to acting as liaison between the University of Florida expertise and research and advising area growers, provide service that benefits all area citizens. This point about advising growers is an important one, especially since the county's smaller growers need the service the most. The tradition of the family farm is in a dangerous position. With the advent of new worker production standard regulations and the need for vital information on safe product usage, availability of extension services is an absolute necessity for these smaller growers to remain viable. The men and women at the county extension office educate and certify us, provide seminars and demonstrations, participate on local committees, help reduce the use of environmentally dangerous pesticides with sound integrated pest management suggestions, advise us on water management issues, ensure the safety of our food, and guard our environment. As mentioned, education and certification is a key part of extension services. This is crucial in that persons handling what may be dangerous materials be trained in their safe use, or the consequences may be environmental problems we will all pay for later. Apparently a budget that supports a fraction of important personnel and services provided in most part by IFAS is being deemed unimportant. We maintain that American agriculture is in dire straits, and being penny wise yet pound foolish at this particular instance threatens not only commercial agricultural businesses but a very quality of life in Collier County. I'm sure that with due consideration of these points you'll agree that these extension positions are more important than were originally believed and that your decision will be to continue them. MR. DORRILL: Mr. Roan. COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Before he goes, I just -- I need to reiterate the point. I don't think anyone on this board has indicated that these don't have some value. I think what the board has said -- and Commissioner Mac'Kie just made the point -- is the industry members are profit making and, as such, yes, this research helps the environment and so on, but it helps you make a profit, and -- and you ought to pay for that. I liken it to the tourism industry which is another -- like your industry is another big part of our economy here in Collier County. And in order for tourism to be promoted over and above their individual efforts, just like over and above the individual companies you do, do their own little projects, they decided to tax themselves with the tourist development tax and then have a broad effort to assist their industry. And -- and I don't really see a difference, and maybe you can help me because I'm -- I'm not understanding the difference in your industry why the general taxpayer -- I don't think the general taxpayer should be paying to promote tourism, and I don't think the general taxpayer should be paying to promote your industry. And -- and again, as Jerry said, if you all are willing to do that, that's fine. But to ask Joe and Sally Homeowner to pay to promote your industry, I'm not sure I understand why that should happen. MR. JACOBS: Yeah. Using Commissioner Matthews' numbers that commercial agriculture gets a return of 20 percent -- 27 percent on their -- on their tax contributions whereas homeowner return is 125 percent on their contributions, it seems like the commercial end of it is -- is holding up their end. I don't know what the consensus is about fees. And if people agree to -- to pursue that, I don't see any problem with it. But you must realize that commercial agriculture is paying their fair share and they're not asking the homeowner to support them. They're just asking for services on their contribution. COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: And how is that any different than any other type business, though, because you can look at tourism or you can look at a car dealership or you can look at almost any commercial entity -- COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Or a $5,000 home. COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Yeah. COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: What about tax equity for them? COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- and they are not getting back the same that they're putting in. I mean, it just -- everybody doesn't get 100 percent and homeowners get more because they're using -- any homeowner, you and I or anyone else, are using virtually every service. You use water and sewer. You use the roads. You use everything. You use police. You use fire. A farm field isn't going to use the sheriff's department obviously, so you're not going to get that return. But, I mean -- MR. JACOBS: Yeah. Some type of fee -- fee-based system could be something that would be developed. But in my understanding that these positions are in jeopardy now so -- COHMISSIONER HAC'KIE: Not if they're doing what we ask them to do. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: That's what my concern is. We -- we asked the ag. -- ag. extension service to look at a fee-based program. And apparently -- and I don't -- I don't understand the ins and outs of it at this point. We -- we need to find out more about it. But apparently there's been a decision to cut staff rather than look at -- at a fee-based situation. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Can you help us, Mr. Olliff? COHMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Well, and the other important point is we set a particular dollar amount and asked our staff to prioritize -- COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: They chose -- COHMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- what items they needed to keep. And so one of the things in this process between now and September, you all need to be lobbying our staff as to what are the highest priorities. MR. JACOBS: Well, and IFAS is a land -- is a land grant based institution too. So, you know, we're speaking on a -- basically a federally sponsored program on a county-by-county basis. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Mr. Olliff. MR. OLLIFF: There are two and a half positions that were specifically discussed as part of the workshop. One of them was a vegetable agent which is what we're talking about this morning. Another one was what is called a horticultural agent which is primarily supporting the local landscape professionals. And the other one was a secretarial position that supports those. What came out of the workshop, because there were some landscape professionals here that stood up at the podium at the time we had the workshop and said "we're willing to pay for those positions if we can work out something," we were talking in terms then of occupational license fee increases. We -- we later found out that couldn't be done in time to be able to generate the revenue for next year's budget. They've created a way of charging for the courses that the landscape professionals need to take in order to be licensed to spray pesticides in the area that we believe will generate enough revenue to pay for the full-time position there. Because there was no one here talking about the actual vegetable agent, the decision was made at that workshop to go ahead and cut that position in the half that supported it, but that certainly doesn't mean that if the industry's willing to step up and do the same type of a licensing or a fee-based type program that you couldn't consider that as part of your public budget workshop when we do that in September. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Is this the position that we referred to a lot in the workshop as let Collier Enterprises go do their own research and then a couple family farm people said, no, no, this helps us too? MR. OLLIFF: Yes. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: That's the position? MR. OLLIFF: I think the idea was there were two positions specifically that the board saw as being supporting private industry, and I don't think that the board specifically targeted those positions as much as they said don't fund those out of general fund. And so the budget that you have as a tentative budget does not fund either of those through ad valorem tax money. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Thank you, Mr. Jacobs. MR. DORRILL: Mr. Roan? COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: I don't mean to cut anyone's legs out from under them, but I think you can see a pattern here. MR. ROAN: I'll make it short and sweet. COMHISSIONER HANCOCK: Well, just maybe how you can address what's being requested here would be appropriate, but please go ahead. MR. ROAN: Okay. My name is Wesley Roan. I represent Six L Farms and many of the growers in the community. There's a lot of points that have been made by the previous speakers and Commissioner Matthews' point about the fact that the revenue generated by the farm land holders in ad valorem taxes is only utilized at 27 percent by them, and so there is a surplus of funding to the county based on that and the fact that the vegetable industry and -- and I'm sure the horticultural industry too are faced with a lot of requirements federally, state, and countywide as far as their regulatory requirements. And meeting -- coming into compliance, environmental compliance, wildlife habitat, ecology, migrant employment, water management, worker protection, all of these things are issues that are faced by these industries that mount up far and above the requirements regulatorially of many of the businesses in the county. And it's the constant -- or the ability of the industry to utilize the extension agent who has constant updates with all of these government agencies to -- to help us stay in -- in compliance. You spoke about -- CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Once again, I -- I think we all understand the importance of this -- of the service. The question really is are you willing to -- from your part to consider some sort of fee -- MR. ROAN: We have -- CHAIRMAN NORRIS: -- program -- MR. ROAN: We have -- CHAIRMAN NORRIS: -- to support the agents. MR. ROAN: We have no desire not to consider it. We're willing to consider it. If -- I mean, if -- if there's no chance -- you know, snowball's chance in hell in getting the county agents to stay around, then we will consider it. But we also feel the fact -- you know, like I mentioned earlier, the amount of money we pay in taxes seems to be a significant amount to offset the small cost of -- of the agent. And you used tourism as an example. Well, the ag. extension agent provides a bridge to tourism that maybe you've forgotten. There's farm city day. There's barbecues. There are regulatory tours, numerous tours to agencies as well as tourism entities that this position provides. So there is a bridge of value to Collier County even through tourism that this position helps out with. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: I have to take exception because you're the -- the last in a line of many saying we're not getting our money back, we're pouring money in and we're just not getting anything back. What steps has Six L Farms taken to address the issues of migrant housing and healthcare for the workers that have to come in and work your industry, sir? MR. ROAN: What steps have we taken? COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Yes, positive steps. MR. ROAN: Well, we provide a migrant seasonal educational facility at our camp at -- on Farm 7 on the East Trail. We are -- we provide the facility. We provide all the maintenance. We provide -- I'm sure there is some state funding to that effect, but we personally have a facility to take care of migrant labor. We also provide -- COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Takes care of healthcare and housing and all that? COHMISSIONER HAC'KIE: They're taken care of. It's amazing. MR. ROAN: We take care of educational purposes. COHMISSIONER HAC'KIE: They're taken care of. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: No, I didn't ask about education. I said housing and healthcare. MR. ROAN: All right. We provide housing on site for over 500 employees on a regular basis. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: Out of how many that you have? MR. ROAN: Well, we probably employ 2,000 people. COHMISSIONER HAC'KIE: Thank you. MR. ROAN: But because of the fact they rotate, there's never 2,000 at one time. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: The point I'm making is that it's not like the test track. It's not a clean industry that comes in and doesn't place any burden on the taxpayer in other areas. And I don't dispute the numbers that you have, and I want to take a look at them. But, you know, for -- to say that this subsidy needs to continue because you're dumping money in and not getting anything out I think is misleading. MR. ROAN: We're not saying -- COHMISSIONER HAC'KIE: And don't get me started as a representative of the city of Naples about tax equity. And I'm sure you don't want to talk about Marco Island. You know, you just don't get your dollar back. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Let me -- let me just make a point, though. Whether -- whether you're getting your dollars back or not, it's what are the dollars being spent for. It wouldn't be appropriate because you're not getting the 27 percent return on your dollar as you claim for us to go out and buy tractors for you. That would not be appropriate. It would not be appropriate for us to go out and buy your chemicals for you through the ad valorem tax base or to buy seed or to pay the salaries of your farm workers. It's just not appropriate. And what we're saying is that we're -- we're kind of feeling that perhaps it's not appropriate for the ad valorem tax base to provide a service that is -- is strictly directed or fairly strictly directed at your business. MR. ROAN: Well, it sure seems like the agri business in Collier County is probably the second largest revenue generator other than tourism, that there's an awful lot of money. I don't know what -- what that amount is. I'm not saying, again, that we're not willing to work out a compromise and that there -- but we just want to make sure that -- that ag. extension remains and that the benefit to -- you know, we haven't even talked about the benefit to the -- the homeowner. But how many people grow vegetables? How many people have citrus trees? How many people, you know, maybe have a cow in the backyard or maybe more rutally anyway that -- that -- that will call the extension agent on a regular basis? And that's free information to them. It is at no cost to them. And we just want to make sure that this stays intact. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Thank you, Mr. Roan. MR. DORRILL: Mr. Summerhill and then Ms. Leinweber. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Well, while he's coming up, I'd -- I'd like to -- to thank him very much for his offer to work with the extension and to try to develop a -- CHAIRMAN NORRIS: That's all we're asking. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: -- program by which we can continue the employment of these -- these people that do provide a service to -- to the county and to the agri business at large. I mean, it's important to me that we send a strong message that we -- we want a fee-based service at least, at the very least, developed on this program. MR. SUHMERHILL: Mr. Chairman, members of the commission, I'm Bill Summerhill. I'm the director of personnel for the university -- Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences otherwise known as IFAS, University of Florida, also acting associate dean for the extension service. You all are aware, I'm sure, that the university and IFAS are in partnership with the boards of county commissioners in all 67 counties with regard to the extension education program. The extension program is mandated as, of course, it's cooperatively funded -- that's why it has its name, cooperative extension -- cooperatively funded with the U.S.D.A., with the state of Florida through the University of Florida, and with the county, local county government, and has a mandate to serve all people regardless of race, color, national origin, et cetera, and also regardless of size of enterprise or economic -- socioeconomic level. So in all our cases with our extension agents, we have an obligation to serve all people across the board as mandated by our federal funding if not by state funding. The positions that -- my -- my role here today is to express concern of the university with regard to the reduction in the appropriation that would allow us to continue the two positions or so that we're talking about today. These positions were put in place sometime back -- I'm not exactly when (sic) -- by the Board of County Commissioners and the university working together making a decision that these were priority positions for the people of Collier County and the industry of Collier County. And the university today feels the same, that these are priority positions for the university and Collier County and for the people in Collier County. We have -- with regard to the loss of the positions, we have places to put those people. They're highly trained and highly effective people. And some, in fact, nearby counties are standing in line for these positions. But we prefer to leave them in Collier because, again, we feel that there's a high priority here in Collier with not only the commercial vegetable industry which is something over 200 million dollars in sales but also with the people in growing vegetables who are not necessarily classified as commercial and also for the horticultural industry and those in horticulture, not necessarily classified as commercial. And again, I want to emphasize that is our mandate to serve all people regardless of socioeconomic level or size of the enterprise. So I would just say that -- again conclude by saying that we are concerned about the -- the potential loss of the positions. If the positions are to be restored or not potentially shifted somewhere else, we need to act very quickly because the budget year is ending as you are well aware I know and that we will need to make some kind of decision at the university, so thank you very much. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Thank you. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: May I just ask you a question, Dean, before you go? MR. SUMMERHILL: Oh, excuse me. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Because I assume the university has no -- doesn't care how the positions are funded. I mean, if we fund the position or the county contribution via a fee versus a property tax, do I -- MR. SUMMERHILL: Let me try to address that because I think there may be a little problem with that in the sense that if the position is funded on a fee basis, that's not been traditional. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: I understand. MR. SUMMERHILL: And that violates tradition that's gone on. I'm not saying that's incorrect. But that certainly has not been the traditional way of funding positions. The extension service by its federal legislation has established -- established based on tax-supported, you know, dollars to fund it at all levels again because the reason that if you get into a fee basis, you may tend to eliminate certain people from access to or use of the information, availability of information. That becomes a problem for the university in terms of its federal dollars and mandate and its state dollars. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: And let me be clear because my -- my suggestion, of course -- well, this will be decided by the board -- is not that you pay upon making inquiry but something -- MR. SUMMERHILL: Yes. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: -- similar to what the landscapers are doing that they create a source of funds among themselves and -- MR. SUMMERHILL: Okay. We would have to be assured -- I think the university would have to be assured then that the services of that agent or those agents funded in that way would indeed be open to all persons and not limited to those who are paying the fees. And again, this would be somewhat a unique nature to -- this is a -- this is a change, what I'm trying to say, from the traditional funding way for extension over the time. COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: We have that same concern about general availability. MR. SUMMERHILL: Right, yes. COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Of information, uh-huh. MR. SUMMERHILL: Yes. Thank you. MR. DORRILL: Ms. Leinweber. MS. LEINWEBER: I'm Judy Leinweber. I'm representing Bay West Nursery and my husband today, Arnie Leinweber. I am a member of FNGA. We're in a horticulture department. And I think you really need to consider about, you know, cutting out our agents because these agents give us the tools to do our job. Like Bay West alone, we ship plants in from South America, from Europe, all over the world. We ship our foliage plants into Canada. And our agents are the ones that control us, our regulations, and give us the tools where we can ship across federal lines. Like we can't ship into California unless our plants are grown off the ground. Their laws are so stringent there. So we are given the tools by our agents on how to grow our plants, what pesticides we can use. We're looking at federal laws. Our veg -- we don't grow vegetables. We're into plants. we're talking about federal laws that reach into other countries. And they're the only ones that we have to rely on that keep us going, keep us up to date with the new procedures, with the sprays that are available. If we have one nematode on a semi load that goes into California, they destroy the whole semi load. Same with Canada. Before a truck goes out of our loading dock, it is checked. A special agent comes over and checks $16,000 worth of plants that could be burned at the border. They're -- they are really helping us. We had a problem with white fly. They helped us with that. We had a big problem with Dupont and bendylate. They really saved a lot of farmers millions and millions and billions of dollars. Not only that is they give us the tools and the teaching aids to educate our migrant employees. And we're not big like Six L Farms. We have only about 17, 18 people working for us. But they give us the tools, the videos, the books. And they're also done in Spanish, not just English but Spanish where we can give our employees classes. We had a problem quite a few years ago with our employees that sprayed our pesticides. They were getting little emergency trips to the hospital, and we couldn't figure out why. we had to play detective and call up our agriculture agents, and we actually had to play detective. We had to tell our employees, when you work at our nursery, you need to take a shower every day. You need to change your clothes every day. We found out our employees weren't even changing their work clothes maybe once a week. And even though they're wearing protective clothing, the sprays will still seep in because they sweat and our -- our -- the heat we have here. Like one gentleman said, what works in other states does not work in Florida. Florida is a completely different ballgame. And our agents help us. They're a great tool in the way we do our business, and they make sure we don't have -- well, just white fly and bendylate. And the loss could have been so much worse if we didn't have these agents working for us. Thank you very much. MR. DORRILL: That's all, Mr. Chairman. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: That's all? Commissioner Matthews, anything further? COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Well, I -- I'd just like to -- to bring this board's attention to the fact that with -- with the federal activity dealing with NAFTA the last couple of years and so forth that the stress is on the agriculture farming and the agri business. They are going through change. And -- and even though this amount of money seems to be very small, it -- it -- it -- it's just a piece that adds to the insult that -- that they've already incurred. And -- and I want to tell you that when we're looking at $1.23 worth of services for residential properties for every dollar that gets paid in, if this agricultural land begins to convert into developed property, we are really looking at a problem then. So it would be my suggestion to this board that we not further stress this particular situation until they've had time to adapt to what is happening to them at a federal level. And it's a small amount of money, but I'd really like to see it put back in September 4 when we -- when we do this. COHMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Well, the irony to me is this is directly contradictory to what we've just done with community development. With all the new environmental laws that are going into place and new local changes and new state changes and new federal changes, if you're going to do construction, businesses have a hard time keeping up with all that. And we have people on staff who help keep them up with that, but they pay for it. And we just -- this board has been wrestling with trying to make sure that they pay for all those services. And this is just another industry. And I don't understand the difference. We want to make sure these businesses are healthy, and we want to make sure construction is healthy and tourism is healthy. But John and Sally Homeowner don't need to pay for the construction industry, and John and Sally Homeowner don't need to pay for the -- COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: I'm gonna make -- COHMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- ag. industry either. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: I'd like to make one last comment then because I don't want to really belabor this. It's -- it's gone on quite -- quite far enough. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: It's too late for that. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: I was going to say we've belabored already. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: We've belabored already. I -- I just want to say that when you stop growing vegetables and citrus on a piece of property and grow a house instead -- COHMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I don't think anybody's suggesting that. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: -- that's it. COHMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Nobody is suggesting that. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Everybody that stood up here said it's an insignificant amount of money. Nobody's going to turn in their thousands of acres of farms because of this amount of money and build houses on it. It ain't gonna happen. Can't happen under our Growth Management Plan, so let's don't get into these silly arguments. I mean, that -- that just doesn't make any sense at all. The argument is that we've had several people come up here and say how valuable this service is to them. Well, how valuable? Is it valuable enough to pay a little fee to support it? Fine. That's all we're asking. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: We're not talking about -- I'm not talking about the thousands of acres farms, Commissioner Norris. I'm talking about the farms that are essentially family farms, 40, 50, 60, less than 100 acres. These farms are experiencing the same pressures, and they don't have the profit margin to make the difference. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: But the good news is is that there is an ag. industry in the community that does have the profit margin to absorb the costs of these fees. And it's so valuable to them that -- that they will come up -- well, I hope you will because otherwise I don't see why we should underwrite your industry. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Anything further? COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: In case anyone's wondering, I don't have anything else to say. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: He either. Ah, I do. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Mr. Dorrill -- oh, wait a minute. COHMISSIONER HANCOCK: I'm sorry. You already passed. COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: No. Did we get an answer to my original question about when we're going to know something on the -- speaking of making the construction industry pay for everything -- on the partial year assessment? MR. DORRILL: There -- there are two issues. The partial year assessment phase 1 report is due Friday to be received here, and I -- it will be beyond the agenda deadline. But if you'd like to receive an oral presentation, I can do that at your meeting of the 13th. At the same time I'm prepared -- I will be prepared by Friday to give you our preliminary rationale for the $742,000 in increased fee revenue to support the development services division. They prefer to give you final reports on September the 3rd, but I can give you their preliminary rationale and show you specifically what fees are proposed to increase as part of an item. I won't be able to distribute the materials until Friday or Monday. But if you want to talk about it next Tuesday, we can so that it is well in advance of your first public hearing that will be the second week of September to adopt the budget. COHMISSIONER HAC'KIE: I'd like to do that. I'd like to get the information as soon as possible -- COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Can we get that -- COHMISSIONER MAC'KIE: -- available to the public. COHMISSIONER MATTHEWS: Can we get that in a written form so we can study it over the -- over the short break as -- as opposed to -- to oral? MR. DORRILL: Yes. No. It will be in writing -- written form. I won't have a chance to get it to the printer to be included as part of the agenda. It will need to be distributed separately. Item #15A SEPTEMBER 3RD BCC MEETING - PUBLIC HEARINGS TO BE HEARD ON THIS DATE CHAIRMAN NORRIS: You don't have anything further, do you, Mr. Dotrill? MR. DORRILL: Other than to tell you that I -- because of the recess, I am going to allow public hearing items to be heard on September the 3rd in order to spread the load out which is something that you normally give me the ability to do. And finally, the results of the registered voter survey are out, and you should have your copies, and we're pleased to note that eight of the nine community service level indicators have increased. And the majority of those are at their highest levels in seven years. And I think that's a good testimony to -- to your sitting and establishing some goals and then your staff's ability to deliver on those things in particular. The only one that was down was drainage, and I think the rationale for that is important. And that's all that I have. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Mr. Weigel? MR. WEIGEL: Nothing, thank you. CHAIRMAN NORRIS: Miss Filson, can we go? MS. FILSON: We can go. ***** Commissioner Constantine moved, seconded by Commissioner Matthews and carried unanimously, that the consent agenda be approved and/or adopted: ***** Item #16A1 PLAT OF PELICAN MARSH UNIT ELEVEN - WITH STIPULATIONS, CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AND LETTER OF CREDIT See Pages Item #16A2 FINAL PLAT OF LALIQUE - WITH STIPULATIONS AND CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT See Pages Item #16A3 FINAL PLAT OF CLASSICS CLUBHOUSE Item #16A4 FINAL PLAT OF INDIAN WELLS GOLF VILLAS - WITH STIPULATIONS AND CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT See Pages Item #16A5 RESOLUTION 96-334 GRANTING FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE ROADWAY, DRAINANGE, WATER AND SEWER IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE FINAL PLAT OF FALCON RIDGE See Pages Item #16A6 RESOLUTION 96-335 AUTHORIZING A 100% WAIVER OF ROAD, LIBRARY SYSTEM, PARKS AND RECREAITONAL FACILITIES, EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES SYSTEM AND EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES SYSTEM IMPACT FEES FOR A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE TO BE BUILT BY SHEILA M. SHARP AT 3781 24TH AVENUE N.E., SAID IMPACT FEES TO BE PAID FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND (191) See Pages Item #16A7 RESOLUTION 96-336 DEFERRING 100% OF THE IMPACT FEES FOR 62 UNITS OF A 128 UNIT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT TO BE BUILT BY SAXON MANOR ISLES APARTMENTS LIMITED PARTNERSHIP, A FLORIDA LIMITED PARTNERSHIP, FROM LIBRARY SYSTEM IMPACT FEES, PARKS AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES IMPACT FEES, ROAD IMPACT FEES, EMERGENCY MEDICAL IMPACT FEES, WATER IMPACT FEES, SEWEER IMPACT FEES, AND EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES IMPACT FEES FOR SAXON MANOR ISLES APARTMENTS PHASE I AFFORDABLE RENTAL UNITS AND SUBORDINATION OF LIEN See Pages Item #16A8 WATER FACILITIES ACCEPTANCE FOR BERMUDA COVE - WITH CASH BOND Item #16A9 FINAL PLAT OF TALL PINES REPLAT Item #16B1 - Deleted Item #1682 CHANGE ORDER NO. 2 UNDER BID NO. 95-2465 TO RAW WATER SURGE RELIEF IN THE AMOUNT OF $17,124.41 See Pages Item #1683 - Deleted Item #1684 WORK ORDER JEI-FT96-97 WITH JOHNSON ENGINEERING, INC. TO PERFORM ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR A SKATEBOARD FACILITY AT THE EAST NAPLES PARK - IN THE AMOUNT OF $29,200 See Pages Item #1685 TIME EXTENSION TO DEP CONTRACT NO. C-7396 PERTAINING TO THE WIGGINS PASS INLET MANAGEMENT PLAN See Pages Item #1686 CHANGE ORDER FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICES TO BE PERFORMED UNDER THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH HUHISTON & MOORE ENGINEERS FOR THE CAPRI/BIG MARCO PASS INLET MANAGEMENT PLAN See Pages Item #1687 - moved to Item #884 Item #1688 BID #96-2553 FOR THE OAKES DRAINAGE DITCH PROJECT - AWARDED TO SUNSHINE EXCAVATORS, INC. IN THE AMOUNT OF $53,085.00 Item #1689 - Deleted Item #16B10 EXPENDITURES FOR LEGAL SERVICES RELATED TO THE SABAL PALM ROADWAY EXTENSION HSTU PROJECT Item #16C1 - Deleted Item #16C2 RECOGNITION OF PRIVATE CONTRIBUTIONS FOR PURCHASE OF A SCOREBOARD FOR THE EAST NAPLES COHMUNITY PARK ROLLER HOCKEY RINK Item #16C3 RECOGNITION OF PRIVATE CONTRIBUTIONS FOR A SPECIAL EVENT AT IHMOKALEE RECREATION/AQUATIC COMPLEX Item #16D1 - Deleted Item #16D2 REPORT REGARDING THE SALE OF ITEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE COUNTY SURPLUS AUCTION OF JUNE 22, 1996 Item #16D3 AGREEMENT FOR THE ISLE OF CAPRI FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR THE LEASE PURCHASE OF A FIRE TRUCK See Pages Item #16D4 SATISFACTIONS OF NOTICE OF PROMISE TO PAY AND AGREEMENT TO EXTEND PAYMENT OF SEWER SYSTEM IMPACT FEES See Pages Item #16D5 SATISFACTIONS OF CLAIM OF LIENS See Pages Item #16D6 BID #96-2552 FOR ELECTRICAL PARTS AND SUPPLIES - AWARDED TO VARIOUS VENDORS ACCORDING TO THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY Item #16El - Moved to Item #8E2 Item #16E2 CONTINUING RETENTION AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND MICHAEL B. TWOHEY, ESQ., FOR LEGAL REPRESENTATION ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS BEFORE THE FLORIDA PUBLIC SERVICE COHMISSION See Pages Item #16E3 BUDGET AMENDMENTS 96-506, 96-509, 96-510, 96-520, AND 96-526 Item #16G1 SATISFACTION OF LIENS FOR SERVICES OF THE PUBLIC DEFENDER See Pages Item #16G2 CANCELLATION OF LIEN FOR SERVICES OF THE PUBLIC DEFENDER See Pages Item #16G3 MISCELLANEOUS CORRESPONDENCE - FILED AND/OR REFERRED The following miscellaneous correspondence as presented to the Board of County Commissioners has been filed and/or referred to the various departments as indicated: There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 11:23 a.m. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS/EX OFFICIO GOVERNING BOARD(S) OF SPECIAL DISTRICTS UNDER ITS CONTROL JOHN C. NORRIS, CHAIRMAN ATTEST: DWIGHT E. BROCK, CLERK These minutes approved by the Board on as presented or as corrected TRANSCRIPT PREPARED ON BEHALF OF DONOVAN COURT REPORTING BY: Shelly Semmler