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Nap1.., Florida, August 10, 197
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County Commissioners
in and tor the County of Collier, and also acting as the Governing
BoardCs) of such special districts as have been created according to
law and having conducted business herein, met on this date at 9:10
A.M. in BUDGET WORI<~HOP SESSION in Building "F" of the Courthouse
Complex with the following members presents
CHAIRMAN: John A. Pistor
VICE-CHAIRMAN: David C. Brown
C. R. "Russ" Wi~er
Thomas P. Archer
Clifford Wenzel
ALSO PRESENT: Harold L. Hall, Chief Deputy Clerk/Fiscal
Officer; Edna Brenneman, and Debbie Pantano (1:30 P.M.), Deputy
Clerks; and C. William Norman, County Manager.
AGENDA
1978-79 BUDGET \-1ORl<SHOP REVIEW SCHEDUJ.E
THURSDAY, AlIr.USl'_!.O, 1978
9:00 A.H. 1.0-010 American Ambulance .lack Map,uire
10:30 32-020 Youth Program/Naples lUlderness Alan Stroud
10: 115 77-010 Mental Health David Smaltz
11: 15 77-021 T.E.C.H. Richard Fuquay
11:.15 77-022 Congregate Meals Dee Talty
(Iml1lokalee Service Program)
11: 55 77-023 Artificial Reef Bouy Maintenance
1:30 P.H. 72-000 Health Department Dr. Antell/~!argat"c t
Rosier
2:00 98-000 Intragovernmental Services
Data Processing Fred Harks
3:00 99-020 hTord Processing Donna Phillips
.1:~0 99-010 Motor Pool Jim McDonaJ.o
If: 00 99-0.')0 Stores & Xerox ;"':"" Frank \-1i lcox
1+: 30 88-000 Colden Gate Community Cntr. Joan Jenks
/.: 1.5 Capital Improvement Funds County Mnnl'lr,er
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AMERICAN AMBULANCE (40-010) BUDGET FY 78-79 REVIEWED, ADVANCED
LIFE SUPPvRT SYSTEM AND METE~D OF FINANCING OPERATIONAL COSTS
^PPROVED; AMERICAN AMBULANCE BUDGET TENTATIVELY APPROVED
Chairman pis tor noted the receipt of a memo from County Hanagor
Norman dated August 9, 1978, with attachments, concerning the paying
for the Advanced Life Support system, as previously directed by the
Board, and, also, a memorandum from Mr. Jack Maguire, American
Ambulance Inc., describing ALS. The Chairman noted that the wrong
terminology has been used with respect to the matter in that the
word "telemetry" has been used whereas telemetry is only a snoall
part of the entire ALS system. Among Chairman Pistor's comments were
the suggestion that some way must be found to enforce the collection
of ambulance charges; that an answer be found to the request that
if the service is implemented that it be paid for by the patient
who is carried and receives the benefit from the service. Chairman
Pistor also noted that it could be possible that a charge of up to
$300 may be necessary which, if. not paid by the user, will come from
the ad valorem tax fund.
Mr. Norman reviewed the aforementioned memorandum tou~hing
briefly on the various alternate schedules of rates for recovery of
the additional costs pertaining to the proposed Life Support System,
noting that ir this is the intent Schedule .C" should be considered.
He noted that the capital outlay can be amortized over a number of
years and, if the Board wishes to consider it, the capital costs
could be incor~orated into the bond issue now being processed. Mr.
Norman explained that there would be no increase in the current year's
budget except for the initial purchase and, responding to Commissioner
Wimer, said that Item "c" would cover all of the operating costs.
lie pointed out that the schedules are not fee schedules but are
assumed numbers by taking the total cost o~ the ALS system and dividing
them by the number of ambulance-related activities such as arrests,
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cardiacs, traffics and traumas. He said that there are still some
assumptions j~ the figures and that a rate schedule would need to be
prepared from these numbers which would specifically apply a cost
to defibrilation or something of this nature.
Chairman Pis tor expre~sed concern over the ability of the
ambulance service to collect possibly a $300 ambulance bill, noting
that improvement over the 53-60\ collection rate at present will be
necessary. Mr. Maguire commented that the collection rate is close
to 70% at the present time, and outlined the method used to collect
the fees. Commissioner Wenzel suggested the possibility of assessing
liens on property as one method of collecting fees and it was the
consensus of the Board that the County Attorney be consulted for his
opin;0n and recommendation r~garding what would be needed to implement
the suggestion by the Commissioner.
Fiscal Officer Harold Hall pointed out that it should be recognized
that when a project such as the one under discussion is undertaken
that there will be a slowness in some of the collections and that
there will be a start-up cost which cannot be pinned down too closely
at this point. He suggested that a small amount be placed in
contingencies in anticipation of this possibility.
In resp0nse to Commissioner Brown, Mr. Maguire explained how the
service will be beneficial to the citizens ~f Immoka1ee.
Hr. Don Ashley, Accountant for American Ambulance, concurred
wi th ~Ir. Hall's comments regarding the initial start-up costs and,
also, pointed out that the figures contained in Alternate >>C>> are not
proposed rates, such rates will have to be set following rate hearings,
and the like.
In response to Commissioner Wenzel, Mr. Hall said that there
has been no determination made on the life expectancy of the equipment.
He ~aid that even though there is no specific category for the
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equipment in the bond issue, in his opinion, the equipment would
qualify as far as life expectancy, and could be considered for
funding through the Bond ~ssue, if the Board so desired later
on. Further, said Mr. Hall, in government accounting the ~quipment
would have to be pai~ for in this year, noting that government does
not capitalize equipment the way that a private business does. In
reRponse to Commissioner Wimer, Mr. Hall recommended that the
equip~ent be budgeted in the 1978-79 operating budget and said that
he can come back with a recommendation later regarding paymer.t
from the proceeds of the bond issue.
Mr. Bud Winkler, President, Ea$t Naples Civic Association,
stated that as a matter of concern for the interests of the citizens
that the Assoc.i.ation represents, one of the members was asked to
do some research on the ambulance situation merely for the input
that could be offered the Board in helping it to arrive at a
budget that can be lived with and made to work. He read from a
prepared list of questionR and statements that, in his opinion,
should be cons.i.dered by the Board. Commissioner Wimer sugS'es..:ed
that the speaker confer with z"lr. Maguire regarding the questions
raised by Mr. Winkler, with Chairman Pistor commenting that if the
subject questions have an effect on the cost of the ambulance service
answers to some of the questions are needed quickly from Mr. ~Iaguire.
Commissioner Wimer observed that many of Mr. Winkler's questions
have been answered over and over again and Buggested that the County
folanager prepare a "canned" statement as to why the County is in the
ambulance business, why the fire departments don't provide the service,
and the like. Chairman Pistor asked Mz. Maguire if he had any ready
response to l-lr. Winkler's statement to help the Commission with .Hr.
Maguire st~ting that he will have some answers, but that they will not
come from him personally. He requested that he be given a copy of
1-Ir. Winkler's statement.
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Commissioner Archer inquired if there were any studies made
with regard to what it costs Lee or Dade County to operate their
ambulance services with Mr. Winkler responding in the negative noting
that the only comparison was pertaining to Duvall County only.
Commissioner Archer moved for the acceptance of the proposal
labeled "e" submitted by the County l~anager and Mr. Maguire, and
also for the tentative approval of the budget as submitted by
American Ambulance for the use of the ALS system. Commissioner
Wimer seconded the motion.
Discussion followed concerning the budget for American Ambulance
with Mr. Hall stating that the dollar decrease in the budget over
last year is approximately $3,000 in operating costs, excluding
ec1tlipment.
The question was asked if there is an audit done of the American
Ambulance financial records with Mr. Hall stating that a review is
made of the expenditure reporting with an annual audit performed by
a CPA firm and supplied to the County, as required under the contract
with the ambulance firm. Chairman Pistor commented that, in his
opinion, the Commission feels that any outside service for which
some tax monies are used should be audited and a certified audit
presented to the Board independently, whiCh, he added, is being done.
Commissioner Pistor restated the motion on the floor which is
to approve the ALS system and the method of paying for it - noting
that the motion does not involve approval of the ambulance budget
per see Upon call for the question, the motion carried 4/1 with
Commissioner Wenzel casting the negative vote with the statement
that "I am not voting for anything until I see an amortization
schedule based on the capital expenditure".
A short recess was called to enable Mr. Hall and Mr. Norman
to provide the Board with the final figures on the proposed American
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Ambulance budget due to the action taken on the ALS matter.
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l-lr. Hall reported tha t the proposed operating budget for American
Ambulance Service is $248,960 - a decrease of $3,049 from the prior
year's budget. The proposed budget for equipment, said Mr. Hall, is
$75,455 which includes the purchase of vehicles and radios, and, also,
$38,903 for the matching part of the grant funds, noting that the
equipment budget is up $56,334 over the previous year. At this point,
said Mr. Hall, the total proposed budget is $324,415, following which
he recommended that an amount of money be added into the budget for
the amount of money posdibly needed for collection delays, possibly six
weeks, suggesting this addition be $10,000. Mr. Hall explained that
this money can be put in contingencies in the American Ambulance budget
and that before it can be expended there would have to be a budget
amendment brought hack to the Board to justify why the fund needs to
be "moved over".
Discussion followed concerning placing the matching funds for
the telemetry equipment into the bond issue for capital improvements
with Commissioner Wimer stating that if this is proposed he would
have to vote against it since it is his opinion that the bond issue
should be used for more substantial items such as buildings, roads,
drainage improvements, and the like and not for items which mayor
may not be replaced within ten years or less. Mr. Hall suggested
that the funds be placed in the ambulance budget for the time
being and then when the Capital Improvement Program is addressed
the funds can either be left in that budget or considered for the
Capital Improvement Program.
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Commissioner Archer moved for tentative approval of the
American Ambulance Budget in che amount of $334,415. Commissioner
Nimer seconded the motion which carred 4/1 with Commi8sioner Wenzel
voting in the negative.
YOUTH PROGRN1!NAPLES WILDERNESS BUDGET (32-020) - TENTATIVEL~
APPROVED
Commissioner Archer explained that the Naples Wilderness Budget
is totally funded by grants and local donations, following which he
moved that the budget be tentatively approved in the amount of $19,095.
Fiscal Officer Harold Hall stated that the budget is a continuation
grant and that the grant request is in Tallahassee for approval and
as far as is known it will be approved.
Chairman Pistor observed that, in his opinion, the Program is
a fine one and is giving the County assistance in correcting and
avoiding some of the problems with the youth of the County, adding
that as long as it is fully paid for by the State, he would recommend
it.
Commissioner Archer restated his motion to tentatively ~p~rove
the Naples Wilderness Budget, as presented, pending receipt of the
grant. Commissioner Wimer seconded the motion which carried 5/0.
COLLIER COUNTY MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET (77-010) - TENTATIVELY APPROVED
Mr. David Smaltz, Controller for the Collier County Mental Health
Clinic, Inc., provided the Board with updated State fundi~g figures
as prepared by him. He announced that only the same County participatiol
in Mental Health Programs as last year is being requested and which
will allow current programs to be maintained and sufficient staff to
meet all legal requirements and to draw down all State and Federal
funds currently commited to the Clinic. He added that the proposed
budget in the amount of $134,500 will not allow for any new programs;
howev~r, because of increased effectiveness the Clinic will be able
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to absorb the 7~' inflation rate.
Mr. Smaltz briefly revie~ed all of the various programs in
which the Clinic is participating, explaining how each of the programs
is being implemented, and concluded by inviting the Commissioners to
tour the new facilitiet in Golden Gate.
Chairman Pistor noted a decrease in projected donations and fees
as compared to the audited Annual Report recently received - from
$115,593 as shown in the Report to $50,000. Mr. Smaltz replied that
many of the items listed in the Report ar6 in-kind match or donations
such as land, food, clothing, and the like. He said that these dona-
tions are accounted for and used as local match for the grants which
reduces the County contribution.
The possibility of the hospital in Arcadia being closed resulting
in bringing the patients back to the County was discussed with Mr.
Smaltz explaining that the Clinic will have to assume 70\ of the
people released and the follow-up care which the Clinic must provide.
In response to Chairman Pistor, Mr. Smaltz stated the provision for
this care is included in the budget. Mr. Smaltz added that it is his
opinion that the hospital will not close but, as a matter of economics
and facilities, the sentences will be reduced and it is his hope that
the Clinic will be able to attack the follow-up program effectively
with the funds being provided, hopefully, by the County.
Commissioner Wimer expressed concern that possibly too much
emphasis is being placed on recurring symptoms and not in actual
treatment of the problem sU9gesting that maybe a reallocation of
priorities may be necessary.
Dr. Gene McCree, representative on the Mental Health Clinic
Board, responded to Commissioner Wimer's statement. He said that
it is the philosophy of the Clinic to treat the individual as a
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whole. He noted that there is a backup on appointments and efforts
are being made to get individual. into the Clinic immediately for
screening, if there is an emergency, and a determination made of his
problem. He said this procedure does entail additional manpower
and it is the Clinic's hope that there will be a push for more
people to pay for some of their care so that there can be a person
for this screening procedure.
Mr. Egon Hill recalled that five years ago the budget request
from the County was $110,000 and that he opposed the request at that
time due to the fact that it was his opinion that the accounting was
such that the County did not know how the money was being spent. Since
that time, said Mr. Hill, there has been a tremendous change in the
accountability by the Mental Health Association Clinic. He referred
to the fact that the budget increase over five years ago is only
20% and noted that the rate of inflation has been twice that percentage.
lie said that he is very satisified with what the Mental Health Clinic
does, noting that he is now a member of the Association, and urged
the Board to approve the request of the Mental Health Association.
Mr. Lance Oakes inquired if the Association has a public relations
type of program to discourage the use of the some the substances that
are causing mental health problems, which could be released to the
public occasionally regarding the damage or ill effects of those things
along the line of prevention and lessening of the burdens which they
cause.
Ms. Carol Slaussen, Director, Susbstance Abuse Program, stated
that part of the Federal funding is allocated for primary prevention
and education and described what is being done in the school system
in this regard. She said, also, that attempts are being made to
establish ongoing media contacts through the cooperaton of the
local newspapers and television stations.
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Mr. Ed Roca, Clinic Director, addressed t.he matter of the lengthy
timelags Lor obtaining treat.nent mentioned by Commissioner Wimer, and
said that within two weeks, in an effort to deal with the problem,
a group process will be establilhed and that anyone calling the clinic
who feels that he neet.s to be seen will have the opt ton of attending
this group which will meet once a week, or, if he does not feel it is
urgent, he can set an appoint~ent. From September on, said Mr. Roca,
no one can say that there is nothing being provided for him immediately.
This will be done with the existing staff said Mr. Roca.
Commissioner Wimer moved, seconded by Commissioner Wenzel, and
carried 4/1 with Commissioner Arche4 voting in opposition, that the
budget for the Collier County Mental Health Clinic be given tentative
dpproval.
Chairman Pis tor expressed the Board's appreciation to the
representatives from the Clinic and the Board of Directors for taking
their time to attend the budget. hearing.
TECH BUDGET (77-021) - TENTATIVELY DENIED
Mr. Richard W. Fuquay, Executive Director, Training & Education
Center for the Handicapped, stated, in response to Chairman Pistor's
inquiry, that, to his knowledge, there were no nlembers of the Board
of Directors of the Center present. to reply to questions that the
Board may have with regard to the program. Mr. Fuquay stated that
which is being requested is matching funds in the amount of $20,929
in order to obtain a grant for the program of $168,000, noting that
$15,700 of the matching funds is being picked up by the United Fund
Agency which leaves a bala~ce of $5,228 which the Board is being asked
to provide.
When asked to comment, Commissioner Wenzel noted that he can
see no problem with the program as long as a service is being per-
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formed which is appreciated by the taxpayers, commenting that it is
his assumption that the legality has been checked. Commissioner Wimer
recalled that this is the third year that the request has been made
of the Board and that each time the statement was made that they would
not be b"ck again. Mr. l:-'uquay noted that he has resear~hed the
minutes and has not found where this statement was made. He said
th~t his concern is that, even with the number of clients presently
being served, there are 1400 handicapped people in the County needing
scrviccs and that the agency must continue to grow and expand and
providc them with the services needed.
County Attorney Donald Pickworth said that there are a few
remarks which he would like to make for the Board to consider in their
deliberations. In the first place, said Mr. Pickworth. the County is
currently in litigation with the organization concerning ~~~t the
County alleges to be a violation of the zoning ordinance and which the
agency fecls is not. The matter concerns housing, continued Mr.
Pickworth, and the representation being made by the agency's attorney
is that the agency is not providing rehabilitation services but is
just an agent to provide housing, and at the same time it is requesting
monies from the Board of County Commissioners to help them carry out
the program of providing these other services.
Mr. Pickworth noted the difficulties being encountered in trying
to locate the proper personnel or officers to serve the papers on
and that he does not feel th~t TECH has been very cooperative on the
matter. He stated that he is not saying that these factors ought to
be the basis of denying their request but that they should be given
consideration by the Board, either weighing them heavily or lightly.
Mr. Fuquay responded by stating that Mr. Pickworth's office has never
called him and noted that he will do anything possible to assist him
rcgarding the matter. Mr. Pickworth stated that he must deal through
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the agency's attorney and that for the purpose of serving somebody
with subpopnas, legally speaking, it is necessary to follow the Statutes
Chairman Archer moved to tentatively deny the request made
by TECH. No action wa~ taken on the motion due to the lack of a second.
Chairman Pistor observed that the budget contains requests for
20% increase in salary for a great many of the personnel and suggested
that if these requests were more reasonable and more in line with what
the County is trying to "live with", the $5,000 request would not be
necessary.
Ms. Debbie Webster, currently functioning as the Social Services
Director and as the Assistant Director for TECH, addressed the Board
to point out the need for the TECH programs in the County, the fact
th~t it has been mandated that the County and home agencies take the
handicapped out of institutions, and noted that the program is federally
funded and that federal funds are involved. She stated that the agency
is serving over 150 families in the community. Ms. Webster also advised
that all of their records are open to the public and that anyone can
get a list of their Board of Directors if they wish. Regarding salary
increases, Ms. Webster stated the proposed budget does not mean that
the suggested salaries have to be paid although she said that they are
fair and equitable under the circumstances. She urged the Board to
grant their request in order to help the handicapped citizens of the
community.
Commissioner Wenzel inquired if TECH has a citizens' advisory
board similar to the Mental Health Clinic with Ms. Webster replying
in the affirmative; however, she said she was told that the only persons
requested to bE:! presE.nt were the two people making the presentation.
Commissioner Wenzel said that he, personally, supports the program
but is concerned over the conflict with the County on the zoning
problem.
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Lengthy discussion followed concerning the East Naples housing
problem with Ms. Webster stating that they had received no complaints
regarding any problems there. She also stated that "group housing"
is a completely different issue and should not have been bro).1ght up
at this time. Chairman Pistor inquired about who is running the
program with Ms. Webster stating that it is funded under completely
different fundsl however, she said that it is part of their program
to help the handicapped.
Mr. Fuquay stated that he verified with the Zoning Department that
four persons could move into an apartment, noting that it was a verbal
discussion. Chairman Pistor explained that, unknown to the County,
a license to operate the organization in Naples Manor was obtained from
HRS to run what could be called an institution and said that County
zoning laws require a provisional use permit, or the like, for that
type of an operation in a residential district such as that community
is zoned.
Concerning a solution to the prOblem, Mr. Pickworth suggested
thC\t a meeting be held with the attorney for TECH and the realities
of the situation explained to him which would be a start toward finding
a solution.
Commissioner Wimer addressed the comments made by Ms. Webster
noting that TECH might not have stated that they would not come back
to the Doard requesting funds but that the Commissioners expressed
their desire that they not return for this purpose which Ms. Webster
concurred with. The Commissioner said that ad valorem taxes were
historically for the purpose of property improvements and not for
social services and they are greatly needed, however, should not
these services be funded from other sources such as sales taxes, and
the like? He said that the failure is on the part of state legislatures
and other governmental entities for not properly funding the necessary
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programs such as TECH, while at the same time mandating such programs.
He said that the Board cannot solve the social problems of Collier
County with property taxes, stating that this is not fair to the
property owners. He suggested that the proposed budget be further
reevaluated, noting ~hat he questions the salary r8ises and other
matters contained therein, and that the legal problems be resolved
to see if something can be worked out which is equitable to everyone.
Commissioner Wenzel expressed the desire that the budget be
split according to in-patient and out-patient programs, noting that he
supports the out-patient portion, but when they are combined, it cause.
problems.
Ms. Webster suggested that the mentally retarded are being
discriminated against since the Mental Health Clinic is receiving
funding. Chairman Pistor pointed out that under State law, the
County is required to finance 25\ of the Mental Health Program.
Mrs. George Park expressed concern over the possibility of
defying the zoning laws by keeping her retarded child in her home.
Mr. Pickworth assured ~lrs. Park that since she is not runnln~ a
rehabilitation home for other than her own child there is no problem.
Commissioner Brown stated that if the problem with the attorney
can be "squared up" he will vote tax money to support the worthy
humanitarian cause of the TECH Program.
Mr. Fuquay expressed his appreciation for the time and consideratj
given him and stated that he feels the Board has gone above and beyond
the call of duty to confer with him and to sharo with him their
attitudes and problems. He said that it has given him more awareness
of what he needs to do.
The motion made by Commissioner Archer was restated by the
Chairman, namely to tentatively deny the TECH request for funds, which
was seconded by Commissioner Brown and carried 4/1 with Commissioner
Wenzel reiterating his support of the out-patient clinic.
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CONGREGATE MEALS BUDGET (77-022) - TENTATIVELY APPROVED
Ms. uee Talty, Project ~irector, Tri-County Nutrition Program,
sponsored by the Immokalee Service Programs, Incorporated, expressed
appreciation to the Board for the assistance given the Program during
the past year. She cCllUTlented that she wished that she had had
sufficient time to address the various civic groups during the past
10 months to make a "pitch" for private funding for the Program, noting
that she views this as her role in the future. However, she said
that she has been in the process of "birthing" a new project in the
ten-month period and has opened five sites in five communities which
she said not only have been funded ~y Title VII Grant but also by
CETA in all three counties involved which has reduced the costs with
Legard to personnel. At this point, said Ms. Talty, she is unsure
as to what extent the Program will be refunded by CETA for the next
year and that there is a possibility that key staff members will
have to be pi~ked up by the Project.
She explained that she has appealed to the Glades and Hendry
County Commissioners and, locally, to the Naples Women's Club who
will be helping out again but not to the extent that they did last
year. Also, said Ms. Talty" she said that Commissioner Archer's
suggestion was followed and she prepared a presentation and a budget
for the United Fund earlier in the year; however, unfortunately, the
project was denied. She advised the Board that the Golden Circle
Program which was funded by the Coard last year had to cease operations
and to the extent possible the clients were picked up which, hopefully,
eliminated sending some of them to nursing homes, which, she said, i5
the philosophy behind the Older American Act funding.
In response to Chairman Pistor, Ms. Talty said that despite the
fact that the Project is entitled Immokalee Service Program, services
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are being offered throughout the County, explaining how the Grant
wan applied for and the fund~ are beinq used to provide Meals on
Wheels, Congregate Meals and the Golden Circle services previously
referred to. She advised the Board that help is received from the
partiCipants themselves who offer their services if they are able.
Also, said Ms. Talty, transportation facilities are provided whon
needed to transport clients to the doctor's office, for shopping
trips, and the like.
CommisDioner Archer moved to tentatively approve the Congr~gate
Meals Budget in the amount of $3,000. Commissioner Brown seconded
the motion.
Upon call for the question the motion carried 5/0.
BUDGET FOR ARTIFICIAL REEF BUOY MAINTENANCE (77-023) - TENTATIVELY
APPROVED
Chairman Pistor inquired of Mr. "Red" Stier, spOkesman, if there
were plans to construct reefs, as has been mentioned, noting that there
are three reefs presently in existence - two at Marco Island, and one
at Naples. Mr. Stier said that the organization he representn ~as
under the impression that the Naples Jaycees had taken over the marking
of the Naples reef. He said that what is being requested is for funds
for maintaining and marking the reefs primarily at Marco Island;
however, if help is needed for marking the fishhaven at Naples, such
help would be given. Mr. Stier urqed the Board to consider the project
very seriously since, in his opinion, these fish~avens off Naples and
1>larco Island will be future sites for a portion of the County's non-
polluting solid waste.
Continuing, Mr. Stier noted that th9 Deltona Corporation has
indicated that they are going to take the reef markers out and abandon
them since the corporation does not feel that they can sustain the
costs. He said that he is speaking for the Collier County Angler's
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Association and offering their help in the project. He explained
the work which is involved 1n relocating the markers which have
been moved due to severe weather activity and asked that the Board
consider lending some financial aid, in the amount of $7,633 which
represents one year's cost of maintaining the fishhavens.
Mr. Robert G. Abbott, 2S-year Naples resident, commented that
the fishing in the area has been downgraded from what it was in the
past and that the County has the opportunity to encourage a group of
people willing to give of themselves to create a system of better
fishing in the County. He stressed the fact that the project is not
"Marco Island oriented" but rather for the benefit of the entire
County. Mr. Abbott said that he has met with the Jayceos and that
it was explained to them what is involved in the project since the
persons with whom he spoke were not knowledgeable about the subject.
He said that his organization is in the process of obtaining approvals
to perform tne work and for the use of the proposed materials. lIe
said that the funds being requested are for the purpose of marking
the reefs - the funding for construction, and the constructio~ , will
be done on a volunteer basis. Another point mentioned by Mr. Abbott
is that the funds being asked for are funds which they feel, as
fishermen and boaters, they are contributing to the community in
the form of boat registration fees. In other words, said Mr. Abbott,
they are asking for these monies back in order to do a job for
the County.
Fiscal Officer Harold Hall inquired about the method of expending
the funds with Mr. Abbott explaining that the Ecology Lab would submit
a contract for the coming year to maintain the markings for a certain
number of dollars. Mr. Stier said that a workshop session should be
held with a representative from the Commission, Dr. Jay Harmic,
Environmental Consultant, Mr. Abbott and himself to work out a plan
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for the disbursement of the funds for the labor involved and the
materials for keeping the f~shhavens marked.
Mr. Hall notod that in order to obtain the funds under considcra-
tion the County would have to apply for grants from Tallahassee and,
in his opinion as long as the project meets the criteria, the funds
will be available. County Manager Norman noted that there might havo
to be modifications to the Bayview Park project in this event, with
Commissioner Archer commenting that the funds are to be used for water
and fish-related projects specifically. 3e Raid that he Can approve
the use of those funds for ramps, parking facilities und other boat-
related activities but would have some doubt~ about picniCking faciliti,
and the like.
Commissioner Brown moved for tentative approval of the budget
for maintaining the artificial reef buoys, seconded by Commissioner
Archer. Upon call for the question, the motion carried 5/0.
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Clerk Brenneman was replaced by Deputy Clerk Pantano.
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HEALTH DEPARTMENT (98-000) - TENTATIVELY APPROVED
Commissioner Archer moved, seconded by Commissioner Wimer
that the budget submitted by Dr. Antell, Health Department, be
tentatively approved. Motion carried 3/0, with Commissioners Wenzel
and Brown not present at the time of vote.
CommisRioner Archer, referring to the significant decrease
over last year's budget, questioned as to the reason.
Ms. Margaret Rosier, Health Department, explained the HRS updated
thelr accounting system which turned up with more funds than
the Health Department was aware of.
Dr. Antell's budget was briefly discussed concerning his
pay. Chairman Pistor noted that the matter will be scheduled a
week from Tuesday before the Board in Regular Session.
D^TA PROCESSING (98-000)
In response to Chairman Pistor's question, Mr. Fred Marks,
Director, stated the change in his budget does not reflect a decrease
in departmental operation costs, rather, he distributed "IGS" among
the various departments for their use of the computer. He further
stated the proposed budget for his department is shown $13,334
higher than necessary as one of his positions will be paid from
LEAA gr~nt funds. Mr. Marks then briefly explained the procedure
used in determining h0W each department was charged for its use
of the computer (i.e. overhead, supplies, eta.,).
The future purchases of terminals Was briefly discussed with
Mr. Hall staling that $29,000 is to be budgeted within an 18-
month span to provide hook-up terminals in Building "D" which will
connect with the main computer. He further stated that the initial
expenditures for equipment of this type will, in an approximate
time span of three years, "be the best way to go" compared to
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another method of having several data processing centers.
Commissioner Archer moved, seconded by Commissioner Wimer
and carried unanimously 3/0 with Commissioners Wenzel and Brown
absent, that the Data Processing proposed budget (98-000) be
tentatively approved with the deletion of the aforementioned
$13,334 making the total budget in the amount of $220,~15.
Mr. Hall briefly explained various procedures for budgeting
funds for the "Criminal Justice Information System" and suggested
setting up an account number under the "Courts" budget as it would
be difficult to determine the exact usage of the system. He
noted that Mr. Marks, in determining the allocations, used 9/20
of his total administrative cost towards the CJIS.
WORD PROCESSING (99-020) - BUDGET TENTATIVELY APPROVED AS SUBMITTED
County Manager Norman commented the Word Processing Department
had been set up to centralize services to all County departments;
however, no definite administrative policy had been set up as of
yet. He noted that Ms. Donna Phillips, Supervisor, and himself, had
therefore det up the proposed budget without specific guidelines.
Mr. Norman stated they are proposing to continue the use of CETA
personnel until the department and pOlicies are completely estab-
lished. He continued, that a problem that is encountered is making
other departments aware that it is to their advantage to make use
of the Word Processing department.
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Mr. Ted Thorward, Administrative Aide to County Manager,
stated the concept of Word Processing is "revolutionary" in that
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it is an effective method to economize. In answer to Chairman
Pistor, M~. Thorward stated the necessity of the requested
equipment would be justified in future years. He noted that in
time a plan will be developed to charge the cost of the use of
the equipment to the individual departments.
A discussion concerning the buying or leasing of equipment
was brought up. Mr. Hall noted that, depending on the circumstances,
sometimes it is better to lease heavy equipment rather than purchase
it outright.
Ms. Phillips noted that if the requested equipment is obtained,
she would not have to turn work away as she is presently doing as
well as having to work overtime.
Mr. Thorward suggested that work could be utilized on different
shifts, if necessary.
The budget was tentatively approved in the amount of $27,309.
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MOTOR POOL (99-010) - TENTATIVELY APPROVED AS AMENDED
commiss~one~ Archer inquired as to the increase in the Motor
Pool budget compared to last year and whether it is caused by the
offset of revenue by departments anticipating the use of Motor
Pool cars and 9aS. Fiscal Officer Hall replied that all but
$57,000 of the total proposed budget ($266,090) is considered
revenue from other departments.
County Manager Norman distributed sheets to the Commissioners
which contained estimated cost per mile for the coming fiscal year.
He commented he is .working on a plan to extend service to the
Sheriff's Department for car maintenance to provide some income.
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Mr. Jim McDonald, Motor Pool Director, commented he does have tl
required help to work on the Sheriff's cars but noted the Sheriff
feels tnat if he discontillues service with Bob Taylor Chevrolet
for car maintenance, he will not get as good a deal on the purchase
of new cars.
Mr. Norman con.nented the main increase in the budget is due
to the need for new cars. He a180 noted the insurance costs have
increased from last year.
A brief discussion was held concerning the necessity for
purchasing new cars every year. Mr. ~orman commented it is policy
that cars are replaced every five years with new cars.
Chairman Pistor suggested d~creasing the proposed budget with
the deletion of four new vehicles. Commissioner Wenzel commented
that Mr. McDonald could come before the Board during the year to
request a new vehicle, if necessary.
Mr. HcDonald commented that many people have "grossly underrated
the amount of miles thoy will drive next year and advised that the
Board take that into consideration.
Chairman Pistor tentatively approved the Motor Pool bu~get
less the purchase of four (4) cars.
A brief discussion was held concerning the advantages and/or
disadvantages of leasing cars as opposed to buying new vehicles
every year. At the request of Chairman Pistor, lolr. McDonald
stated he will look into the matter.
STORES AND XEROX (99-030) - TENTATIVELY APPROVED AS AMENDED
County Manager Norman noted a detailed study was made concerning
Xerox costs per requests from employees for an additional Xerox
machine on the first floor. He explained that Frank Wilcox, purchasir
agent, has made up a report pertaining to department cost of Xeroxing.
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Mr. Ted Thorward, Administrative Aide to the County Manager,
noted that $31,069 is the amount the County has been paying towards
the renting and leasing of the equipm,nt.
Mr. Wilcox explained the original budget submitted consisted
of the total of all department's anticipated costs for Xeroxing;
however, h~ feels it is an incorrect figure. Mr. W11cox stated
the total amount for all departments for the fiscal year is $33,065
budgeted under the Intragovernmental Services Fund but actually
it should be budgeted $41,569, a difference of $8,504. He reiterated
him estimation of the yearly cost of $31,069 is just for the leasing
and rental of equipment; in addition, he budgeted $10,500 for supplies
(developer, toner, paper, etc.,) approximately 1/3 of which will be
charged to the Clerk of Courts. This would bring the figure of
$8,504 (difference between the two estimations) down to approximately
$5,004.
A brief discussion was held concerning the amount of Xeroxing
done and whether or not it Can be cut down in certain departments.
Mr. Wilcox explained that approximately $18,000 in the proposed
budget is accounted to the departments for "Small Stores" already
charged to the users. He further noted the $5,000 increase mentioned
above stems from some departments underestimating their budget for
Xeroxing.
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At this point in the meeting, Mr. Hall stated that he is
about to receive final figures on Federal Revenue Sharing and is
anticipating a decreased amount as previously thought. He also
briefly discussed the preparation of the budget as tentatively
approved.
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GOLDEN GA~E COMMUNITY CENTER (88-000) - TENTATIVELY APPROVED
Following a brief discussion with Mrs. Joan Jenka, Director,
the Board tentatively approved the proposed budget for the Golden
Gate Community Center.
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS
No discussion was held concerning this item on the Agenda.
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the Chair directed the meeting be a~journed at 4~30 P.M.
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