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BCC Minutes 11/17/1980 W Naples, Florida, No~ember 17, 1980 LET IT BE REME~mERED, that the Board of County Cor;miss;oners in and for the County of Collier, and also acting as the Governing Board(s) of such special districts as have been created according to law and having conducted bus;nes~ herein, met on this date at 9:00 A.M. in Work- shop Session in Building uF" of the Courthouse Complex with the following members present: CHA I RIIJ\i~ : VICE-CHAIRMAN: John A. Pistor Cl i fford Wenzel Thomas P. Archer ALSO PRESENT: William J. Reagan, Clerk; Harold L. Hall, Fiscal Officer/Chi8f Deputy Clerk; Darlene Davidson, Deputy Clerk; Robert Best, Budget ;,na1yst; C. 'rJilliam Norman, Cvunty l~anager; -;en~ Willett, Ad;nin- istrative Aide to the County Manager; Donald Pickworth, County Attorney; and vari0us Departmen~ he,lds and members of staff. AGENDA 1. Discussion of departm~ntal analyses of possible program reductions re Budget for FY 80-81. M)~ 05 7 P^~t 01 ~oo~ 057 rAGE 02 November 17, 19lJO DISCqSSION RE rOSS1[]1Df..l!.lJCTlONS WITHIN THE /lEALTII DEPA.RTMENT Dr. Cox, Health Director, stated that, in accordance with directions from the County Manager, he has prepat'erl a list of possible areas where there could be d reduction in programs within the /leLllth DepLlrtment in rn effort to reduce the FY 80-81 Budget. The following were topics that he discussed: WEED CONTROL ORDINANCE: Dr. Cox suggested that this ordinance is very expenSTV~implement; that his Department is involved in the process wllereby a trained Health Official has to go out and physically inspect lots for which complaints have been re- ceived; and that the pape)~ork and related expenses for each complaint is over $50 per complaint spent in his budget. Dr. Cox submitted that the subject ordinance is not cost effective, and offered to write a "cosmetic" ordinance for the Board's con- sideration, in its stead. He suggested that this ordinance be rescinded and :'ep1aced by such a "cosmetic" ordinanc:e, noting that some 95% of the lots that are found ta be in violation of the Weed Control Ordinance are in Naples Park and Marco Island, and ttlCrefore, has not p)'oven to be effective County-wide. Dr. Cox sa'd t~at by rescinding this ordinance, the Health De- partment can eliminate some ~24,000 from its proposed FY 80-81 Budge t. Conrni ss ioner '''/ellzel motioned to drop the Weed Control Program, and accept Dt'. Cox's recolrl11enda t ion. ~fter a discussion regarding the 1EJa1 stand on replacing the subject ordinance and relative program, and the processes involved, as well as whether or not this ordinance and program is in fact based on health problems or cosmctic problems, County Attorney Pickworth said that he is not sure if the "cosmetic" ordinance patterned after the City of Naples' ordinance would stand up in the courts if it werE ~hal1enge~, but, on the other hand, he has to agree with Dr. Cox that, from a health standpoint, the prescnt program is not effective. Also discussed was whether 01' not a new "cosmetic" ordinance would be any less expensive to administer than is the present ordinance, during which County Manager Nonnan said that he is not convinced that it would be. Another related topic discussed was the apparent use of the provisions of the present ordinance for certain areas, as mentioned by Dr. Cox, during which it was noted by Attorney Pickworth that although this may have been the case in the past, it is simply a matter of "these areas are where the complaints are coming from", and not a matter of s~lectivity. r. f".'~ ,-', Noven~er 17, 19RO The proper m~thod for accepting Dr. Cox's rccofl111endation for dropping the Weed Control Program was discussed, and Attorney Pickworth stated that the Board could, by majority vote of the three members present, direct that the Program be administratively discontinued, and that the staff be directed to cease from initiating any further investigations of complaints, and thGt during a Regular Session, the Board would have to have three affirmativp. votes to rescind the subject ordinance. Commissioner Archer seconded the motion on the floor, and suggested that perhaps a M.S.T.D. could be developed in order to serve areaS that decide by referendum that they wish to have such a program. There was a lengthy discussion regarding the legality of such a measure, during which Attorney Pickworth said that he considers this a "police problem" and, historically, such programs have not been lawfully supported by tax funds for the benefit of certain areas. County Manager Norman said that he believes an M.S.T.D. could be initiated for the administration of such a program; the actual mowing charges would be assessed to the indivirllJ~l own~r. Attorney Pi:~~wcrth 3nid that no selective supply uf "police power" would be legal. The motion was clarified by Commissioner Wenzel who said that it is to remove $24.000 from the budget of the Health Department formerly budgeted for the Weed Control Program; later the Board will rescind the relative ordinance. There waJ consicerab1e discussion regarding the wording of the motion and Commissioner l~enze1 agreed to dro;J the second part of the motion regarding the rescinding of the relative ordinance, and Co~nissioner Archer agreed to second the motion as amended. Mr. Ira Evans, representing the Marco Island Taxpayers Association, spoke in opposition to removing this program from the Healtil Department, stating that he is opposed to removing any services from Marco Island and still r<lising tile taxes. Pri or to the Cha i rllMn ca 11 i ng for a vote on the motion. Fi sca 1 Offi eel" Htll'old Hall ash~d for confirmation that the intent of the motion is to reduce by $23,1169, tile amount of funds that will be I'equired to fund the ~oa~ 05 7 PACE 03 800~ 057 rACf 04 November 17, 1900 General Fund; same arll0llrlt would have been used to fund the subject program wi thin the lIe,11 th Department, ilnd the members of the Board present agreed. Upon call for the question, the motion carried 2/1, with Co~~is- sioner Pistor opposed. DISCUSSION RE FURTHER ACTION BY BOARD DURING THIS SESSION Conmissioner Pistor stated that because two of the members are not present today, and that the vote just taken regarding the item for re- duction within the lIealth Department's budget only received 2 out of the 3 votes possible, and beciluse he does not feel that this is representative of the majority of the 5 members of the Board, this matter will be taken up again this evening, during the public hearing scheduled. Fiscal Officer Harold Hall explained that he needs firm direction from the members of the Board in order to have ample time to recalculate the required millage rate based on any budget cuts that the Board may decide upon; he requested that the Board so direct the sums that they wish the budget reduced by, in order to have this reca1cu1,tion prepared prior to the public hearing tonight. There was a lengthy discussion regarding the problem and in answer to Chairman Pistor, County Attorney Pickworth said that because the Board is in a Workshop Session, the Board is not required to cor.mit themselves at this time. Corrmissioner Wenzel agreed, and stated that the earlier vote is to be considered as "an opinion vote" and not a "corrmitta1". It was the consensus of those members present that this is to be a Workshop Session only, and that final decisions will be made tonight ct the public hearing. Fiscal Officer Hall said that what would be done, is that a "millage pricetag" would be attached to each item discussed today, thereby, each fund could be reduced by that millage if the reduction is approved tonight; the Ooard cannot increase the millage in any fund tonight but they can reduce mi 11 ages. Cha i r11lan Pi s tor concurred. Corrrnissioner Archer stated that he cannot vote to make any further cuts in the FY 80-81 budgets than have already been made; his only other ,-i , r Novembcr 17, 1980 recommendations would be that fees be raised or originatea to cover expenses re1atcd to certain Parks and Recreations areas where concern has be~n raised due' to a deficit in maintenance and administration of certain programs within the Parks and Recreation budget. He concluded by stating that if the budget can be reduced bv.incre~sing fees for services provided, he would qo along with it; otherwise, he will not vote for any reductions in the budgp.t. DISCUSSION RE POSSIBLE REDUCTIONS RE HEALTH DEPARTMENT CONTINUED Dr. Cox conlllented on the following item regarding his response to direction for itcms of possible reduction within the Health Department.. AUTO~~TED DATA PROCESSING SYSTEM: Dr. Cox suqgcsted that if furthel' cuts in his budg~t are necessary. he would be willing to forego the installation of an automated data processing system, He said that although the paperwork load would be cum- bersome, he could live with it for a ycar or so and then perhaps have the equipment installed at a later date. /Ie said that he does not consider this a pertinent item, at this timc, and the health services of the community would not be affectcd by eliminating the system's installation. He said that some $15,000 could be reduced from his budget by this e1 imir,~tion, County ~\anaqer Norman said that he disagrees with this recommcndation as he feels the productivity of the system, over a period of time, could lpad to a reduction in the amount of required personnel, or at lcast ne- gate the need for additional employees in that Department, He said that he believes that the system will lead to management strenqthening. Mike Zewdlk, resident of North Nap1e~ stated that he believes the CunTllissioners should take DI', Cox's recommendation since he has stated that thc system is not a necessity. COlllnissioner Wenzcl agreed, stating that there is too much spending on all levels of governmcnt; the problem arises whcn an elected official refuses to takc a stand and vote aqainst an unpopular issue. He continued that he is going to vote in opposition to any spcnding of any funds that the County can possiblv do without. He thanked Dr. Cox for moking his recomnendations, and said that he accepts Dr. Cox's offer to cut his budget by $14.000 for the data processinq system. OUT Of" COUNTY TR^Vfl.: Dr Cox said that his department spends aiiiiro~.~iiii:1ll:Ty-rcf,-(f60il year for out of county travel; this is prin~rily for attcndinq confercnce,. educational endeavors, etc. eo~~ 057 PAGE 05 BO:)/, 057 PACE 06 November 17, 1980 While hc believes that the travel is essential to the Depart- ment, he is willing to cut the amount in half. He offered to cut approximately $4,500 from this item in his budget, noting that this has also becn recormlended by the County Manager. PROGRESS VILl.AGE HEALTH CLINIC: Dr. Cox said that this project nus been-"iiiCis"t ~uccessful t1Ild that through this clinic. m,1ny productive people who were sick have been cured and returned to the job market and consequently removed from the welfare rolls. He stated that it has played an important role in th~ cOrmlunity; hO~lever. if this clinic is to be shut down, then, he respectfully requests that transportation be provided, for those patients who require care, to the central complex at the Health Department. There was considerable discussion regarding the cost effectiveness of eliminating the Clinic, based on the fact that the patients will still have to be cared for at the Complex and transportation costs including insurance might be just as expensive. Commissioner Archer said that he does not believe that elimination of the Clinic in Progress Village will be co~t effective, and does not find this a beneficial cut, to which Dr, Cox agreed. Dr. Cox requested that the Clinic not be discontinued in Progress Village. HEt\I.TH DEPARHlENT or RECTOR' S SU~I~IARY OF RECOMMENDED BUDGET CUTS: Dr. Cox stated that he 1S recor1Tl1ending that the -ToTlow- Ti'6~I.ldget cuts be'~ldde and thJ.t the clinic in Progress Villagt! be 1 eft as is: ) I. \;EED CONTROL ORDINANCE PROGRAM 2. D~TA PROC~SSING INSTALLATION 3. OUT OF COUNTY TRAVEL (~) ($23,469) ($15,000) ($ 4,500) He ~aid that these recommended cuts will outweigh the amount of money tha t cou1 d be cut from t',e budget if Progress Vi11 age Clinic were to be shut down. MON[TO~InG OF NAPLES SAY: Dr. Cox requested that the monitoring OTNiiples 8,11 not -be eliminated, stating th:.t the infonnatlon gained is pertinent. He suggested that the project remain bud- geted until some arrangements could be worked out for other sources of funding. HEALTH EDUCATION: Dr. Cox requested that no budget cuts be made relating to Health Education projects as he considers these pro- jects to be the backbone of public health in Collier County. ENVIRONMENTAL HEALT/I SERVICES & PERSONAL HEALTH SERVICES: Dr. Cox requested that these two areas not be cut since the only way to make further cuts in these areas would involve cutting the staff. . Corrmissioner Archer moved, to accept Dr. Cox's recorrmendations, including the $15,000 cut for automated data processi'ng installation and the $24,000 concerning the Weed Control Ordinance. ""1 r-., NOVCOlbc r 17, 1980 After a brief explanation regarding the fact that the "travel costs" are related to only out-of-County travel, Commissioner Archer amended his motion to include the $4,500 cut related to out-of-County travel. Mr. Zewa1k objected to not including the ciosing of Progress Vi1la~e Clinic, stating that he believes that the Clinic's operation is a form of preferential treatment shown towards one particular ~rea, and not available to all citizens of the County. * * * Corrrnissioner Archer left the room - Time: 10:05 A.r~. * * * Mr. Ze~al~ also objected to not including the elimination of the Naples Bay Study program. Discussion continued regarding the possible transportation of patients from the Progress Vi11aqe Clinic to the County Complex for treatmcnt. with Commissioner Wenzel stating that he would vote for all the cuts, i"cludino Progress ',i11age and the Naples Bay /10nitoring. Mr. Herbert Cambridge, represcnting the Black Betterment Corrrnittee (BBC), spoke in favor of keeping Progress Village open. He stated that only the ~eryices of the doctors and nurses are paid for bvthe County, and mentioned various organizations who are instrumental in donating other expenses, inc1udinq the fact that the Clinic is used for a Mental Health Clinic program and also is the site of regular Alcoholic Anony- mous meetings. He said that he is presently workinQ on acquiring a permanent building for the Clinic and urged the Board to keep this Clinic open. He stated that the City offers no assistance because the City of Naples has no Health Department, and said the Clinic is a necessity. He further explained the many problems that the BBC en- countcred when they tried to initiate a program for transportation of patie"ts to the Complex, including insurance premiums that were very high. He assured the Coard that all of the patients are carefully screened by the GBC, re~Jrdinq ability to PaY, prior to their receiving trea tlllen t. 80J~ 057 PACE 07 e~~~ 057 PACE 08 Nov~lJIbet' 17, 1980 . . 11 Corm1issioner ArcheI' rnturned to the room - Time: 10:25 A.M. . #I #I r~r . 0tis Albright, representing the Naples United Church of Christ, sroke in favor of keeping the Progress Vi11Jge Clinic open, and concurred with all of Mr. Cambridge's statements. He said that he has been appointed as the official spokesman for his Church and said that this is the official position of its congreg~tion. After considerable discussion, Chairman Pistor stated that he could see no point in voting on the issue at this time, referring to Commissioner Archer's motion, and the members present agreed for the reasons given earlier. The motion died for lack of a second. Chairman Pistor asked those persons in the audience who had a particular subject to discuss to come forward, noting that all final decisions WOuld be made tonight at the public hearing at East Naples Middle School. PARKS ,Il:{D RECRE,HIOri DEP,IlRTMErn POSSIBLE CUTS IN BUDGET DISCUSSED Parks and Recreation Director Ro1lie Rice stated that he is not in favor of more cuts in the budget for his department and said that further cuts will necessitate cuts in service; however, in response to a request from the County Manager, he prepared the following possible areas of reduction: UGHTs: Mr. Rice said that this area is being submitted reluctJnt1y as he is not in favor of a cut in his budget for this Durpose; however, it has been proposed. This will mean that all programs that use these 1 ights on fields ',Ii 11 have to be charged for that use including COunty programs, as well as other programs. TENNIS: Mr. Rice said that alternate methods of lighting tennis courts have been tried in the past, including coin operated boxes, but very unsuccessfully, due to vandalism. He said that the County sets up tennis programs and leagues, and collects "per player" fees; he feels that this fee covers nearly all the charges for lights for the tennis courts. SOFTBALL AND LITTLE LEAGUE: Mr. Rice said that a fee of $5.00 for extra use of lights on these fields has been charged in the past; the leagues and organizations are not charged for lights used during regular scheduled play. He said that approximately $30,000 is being spent for these activities and approximately $20,000 is being generated in revenue per year. He said that a recent increase of 20S for all fees helps to close the gap, but does not make the pro- grams self sufficient. ,-1 r'-, r, Novcmber 17, 1900 Mr. Ricc saic1 that he is concerned with the concept of re- quiring these kinds of programs to be "self sufficient" in that he considers thcm a service to the community that his department provides. . He said that he needs direction regarding what the Goard is requesting; is there to be a charge for the cost of the program itself; the staff involved; the maintenance required; and/or the transportation incurred? Mr. Rice said that if all these areas are to be charged for, then no organization or group could afford to cngage in participation of these kinds of programs as It would be too costly. Mr. Rice said tr3t he believes that this would totJ11y el~mi- nate the participation by the Little League and that, if lt were not for their volunteers' participation, his department would not have been created. Mr. Rice recorrrnended that a gradual increase in fees, as has been the case in the past whereby ea~h year the deficit is becollling smaller, is more optimum than putting the programs out of reach for the interested organizations. He said that he does not believe that there is any wGY that fees for services can cover the entire cost of these services. HIGHSCHOOL BALLFIELDs: Mr. Rice said that. although the County has expended a ;ot of money this year, this is a reciprocal arrangement with the School system. The County's bas~etba11 programs use school gyms at no costs to the County and the County does maintenance un highschool fields In return. He said a program has been initiatec1 that the present arrange_ ment continue on a "dollar for dollar" bas1s and, if this is not acceptable to the Board and the program is cut, then fees wi 11 have to be implemented and the County wi 11 have to pay the school system for the use of those gyms. SERVICES PROVIDED FOR THE LITTLE LEAGUE: Mr. Rice prefaced his remarks by stating that he believes that the Little League provides a great service to the community; it keeps children off the streets .lJ1d pl"ovi des somethi ng to do and somewhere for Collier County'S'chi1dren to go, and in this manner the County performs a service. Mr. Rice said thilt he favors the system \~hereby fees are increased each year and not set so high all at once that these orgilnizations have to fold their operations. He added Ulat if funds are saved by el iminating the programs, those same funds would have to be expended through the Sheriff's Department, due to an increase in criminal acts resulting from children with nothing constl"lctive to do. Deputy Chief Rilymond Darnett, Sheriff's Department, agl"eed that if action by the Board results in Little League or other organ- izations closing their operations, then his Department would be faccd \~ith more expcnse related to these children who will be- come nuisilnces with nothing constructive to do, He said that the recreational pro<)rilms in the County offset a good deal of problems re1atcc1 to juveniles in Collier County. J.li.~EAS.r~I!..l.u:.S. ['01\ r,~RTIClrATION IN RECREATIONAL PROGRMIS: Mr. Rice qid that Iw Iwl ievc's'tTiilCTI fees arc initiated and increased fOl' the various recreational facilities and program~ in the County the 'problcms rcsul ting from this move would far outwei9h any sav1ngs that the County might see initially. BOOK 057 PAGE 09 BO~~ 051 PAGE 10 November 17, 1980 There was conslderahll! rJiscllssion regarding the origination of the Parks and Recreation D0.partment, during which Conmfssioner Wenzel stated that he has never seen minutes of any meetings during which a Recreation Depal'tment vms authorized; he only remembers setting up a Parks Department for maintcnance of parks throughout the County. County Manager Norman said that, even if this were the case, the legality of the existence of the Department could be substantiated by the annual Goard approval of a departmental budget for that area. Mr. Rice responded that the Parks and Recrcation Department was in existence when he came to work for the County and, traditionally, the two have been run simultan- eously. lie further' stated tnat only 18X of his budget goes for recreation- al areas which is run as a separate department. Problems related to fees for a family with several children who want to participate in sports activities; problems with children who will be roaming the streets vii th nothing to do if their activities in sports are cut out; and problems related to working parent families who rely on recreational programs to entertain their children were all discussed. ~ll'. Rice sUllT11arized that he is not advocating initiating higher fees related tc b<lllfields, basketball, tennis or other recreational pro- grams and said he would go along with raising the fees for lights if it is not too high that it would prevent organized sports from participating. ~r. Paul Cavey, re~resenting the Gulf Coast Little League Program in Marco Island, stated that he is in opposition to any cut in the budget that would be at the expense rf the children of Collier County. He ob- jected to people opposing taxes used for the benefit of children. Ms. Ester Kowet, representing the Gulf Coast Little League, stated her oppos it i on to cuts in the budget tha t wou1 d cause fees to be charged to the point t1at her organization could not afford to remain in operation. She reminded the Board that it was her organization that first constructed the fields in the shadow1awn and Avalon Schools, and that all that was ever asked was for the County to maintain them. The GCLL also provided the bleachers at the Naples Park Elementary School, she said, adding that the County also uses these fields and bleachers. She further stated that the r -, ,..-, ,1 November 17, 1980 GCLL provides a community service in that the County would have to provide these recreational programs for the hundreds of boys and girls who are involved in the same manner as they provide girls softbnll, etc., if the GCLL did not provide this program. She said that all the sponsorship, COdches, etC. are donated and/or volunteered, thus savin~ the County money, and that she cannot see how the GCLL could be charged for anything that other programs are not. She explained that their budget is tight now and, if fees were excessively increased and/or initiated, her organizati~n could not continue to operate. She ques- tioned how the County can distinguish one tax dollar from the other, and stated that she cannot understand bein~ termed an "outside" organization. She said that the Parks and Recreation Department was originated because of the need for maintenance, etc. of the Gulf Coast Little League field. Ms. KOI'iet requested that the Board not discriminate between her or- ganization's programs and those of the Parks and Recreation Department, and noted that her organization provides the County free staff, free coaches, and free administration of the pro9rams they organize. The aim of the GCLL, continued Ms. Kowet, is to continue to work together with the County to provide a comnunity service. * * * COlpmissioner Archer left the room - Time: 11 :05 P.M. * * * After discussing the importance of the Little League Program, Ms. Kowet stated that the Maintenance Division of the Parks and Recreation Department is designcd to serve all of the people in Collier County, not just to serve programs chosen by the BCC. She strongly opposed the recommendation on page 87 of Mr. Norman's memorandum regarding providing services to Little League, specifically that which calls for Charging a nominal fee for lighting, edging and contouring of fields for Little League p1ayet's. There I'/)S a lengthy discussion regarding the need for these charges, the possibi 1 i ty of the consequenr.es if the programs have to fold due to high costs, thc fact tlhlt it was not the intent of Conrnissioner Wenzel's recomnendatioll for cuttirlg the budget t.hat this program be singled out ROC~ 057 rAGE 11' ) BOO~ 057 rACE 12 November 17, 1980 specifIcally, and othcr related topics. Mr. A1 Rapecke, North Naplcs LIttle League, spoke in opposition to any budget cut or imposed fees that would result in cutting back services related to recreational pro']rams for the children of the County. He said that if his organization has to fold the County cannot afford to take this program over. He noted that his organization is planning to build a refreshmcnt stand in North Naples and that the County's programs will be able to use it the same as his organization. With insurance premiums. uniforms, equipment, etc. being paid for r.'~w, they cannot afford higher fees right now, said Mr. Rapecke. Commissioner Wenzel asked Mr. Rice if Little League is considered a recreational program. Mr. Rice answered negatively, stating that the County is not contributinq to the program through recreation; it simply maintains the fields through the Parks Maintenance Division. Corrrnissioner Wenzel said that he never intended to cut the pa:ks area, only ~he recrea- tional budget and, if the County maintains parks and fields, that is not in opposition to his intent. The County Manager said that there is one recreational program on his list of recorrrnended cuts. The other three refer to maintenance costs ne~essary to support recreatiopal programs and ~hus are to be considered together. Commissioner Wenzel disagreed, stating that years ago the noard set up the Parks Department to maintain parks. County Manager Nonnan said that h~ considers them all to be re- creational costs, adding that some are for lining, edging and contouring "he fields. * * * Commissioner Archer returned to the room - Time: 11 :15 A.M. * * * Ms. Kowet said that tile record shows that the County's girl's softball program had revenue of just over $200 last year and offered the Board a check in the amount of $200 to show that Gulf Coast Little League is a self-suppo~ting recreational program. Ms. Kowet said that she is opposing any cuts; however, she urges the , --1 r---l November 17, 1980 Board to consider that she compares her organization's program to the County's girl's softball leaque, and expects the same services. * * * Recess - Time: 11:20 A.M. Reconvene - Time: 11 :30 A.M. * * * PUBLIC 'rJORKs DIVISION POSSIBLE BUDGET CUTS DISCUSSIO~ Chainnurl Pistor said that he would like to discuss the suqgestion for a cut in the number of hours and days the transfer stations are open. He said that he has talked at lenQth with the Mayor of Evergla0es City and is familiar with the problems that he would be facing. He further stated that he knows the transfer station in Marco Island has been proven, through departmental studies, to serve the same amount of people each of the seven days of the week, and no one day is slower than another, nor is anyone time of the year any less busy than another. He said that he would like to see how the County can close these transfer stations and still adhere to DER regulations to keep the general public out of the sanitary landfill area on SR 951. Publ ic Works Adr.:ini ;trator C1 i Hord Barksdale stated that the pro- posed cuts will all involve problems; however, in response to the County Manager requesting that certain areas be cut in the budget, he has offered the following: CARNESTOIm TRANSFER STATION CLOSURE: Mr. Barksdale said that this would result in a savings of $20,500. He said the total budget cut for this project would be $~l,OOO if it were closed; however, the recorrmendation is for ~ of that figure due to a proposal to offer service in that area by supplying a "roll-on roll-off" rental container (20 Cu. yd.) at the site of the Wel- come Station, and eliminating the lease of the present site of the Carnes town transfer station. He said that this would provide for some preparation of the site, and would provide a dropping-off point for the general public; however, he added this is predicated on Everglades City utilizing their pickup truck and hauling their waste straight to the land- fill. In answer to Comnissioner Wenzel, Mr. Barksdale said that the people in Evc"glades do contribute tOl...ards this operation since thc Solid Waste Program is funded through a county-wide tax, He a1 sc said that ~\,1yor Askcrn has not bccn asked if Everglades City would be willing to make a contribution in an effort to keep the tr,111sfcr station in Carnestown in operation. BOOK 057 rm 13 BOO~ 057 PAGE 14 November 17, 1980 Mr. lIarmon Turner, representing ~'.lyor Askern of Everglades City, stated that he could not speak for the town of Everglades regarding their willingness to contribute further towards this operation; however, he said, moving the Transfer Station from Carnestown, Everglades City wi 11 not be the ollly a T'ea affected. fk. Turner made rc Ference to the taxpayers who live in Carnestown, Copeland, Ochopee, Chokoloskee and Plantation Island. He said that garbage is currently being picked up three times a week in Everglades City, five times a week at the school, and said that the Transfer Station is considered an essential service, not a luxury, by the people of Everglldes City. Mr. Turner said that the people of Everglades City are concerned about the proposed abandonment of the station in Carnestown, and reminded the Board that all the tax- payers contribute to the support of the service: Mr. Turner a1 so said that this Transfer Station has been mandated by State regulatory agencies pursuant to pro~ ler:; in the area "elated to solid waste disposal. The possibility of solving the problem by giving a key to the Transfer Station to the driver of the Everglades City garbage truck in an effort to allow for dumping of waste when the transfer station is closed, was discussed. Mr. Barksdale reminded the Commissioners that the recon~endation is for eliminating the facility altogether, not closing it part of the time. He added that Everglades City truc.ks will have to cdrry their waste into the Naples landfill because the t~IO containers proposed for placement at the l.'e1come Center location will not accorrmodate a sufficient amount of garbage. He said that in order to do this cost effectively the lease at the Carnestown site would have to be cancelled. He also said he does not favor the reconmendation, and it is offered reluctantly in response to the request to cut back on the solid waste budget. He said that the dumpsters will draw rodents and will also cause problems when they become full. After a long discussion regarding the prOblems that will occur in relation to the ones that may be solved, Mr. Barksdale ~aid that he agrees the public will probably dump trash along rights-of-way, ends of streets, in vacant lots, etc., if they cannot use the transfer stations on a regular basis. Therefore, he said he does not consider that, in the r--1 r. November 17, 1980 long run, there will be a real ~avings, due to the money that will be expended in cleaning up areas that become littered. Mr. Barksdale said that the money for cleaning up the County on an annual basis will out- weigh the amount saved in the budgct by closing the Marco Island and Naples Transfer Stations part of the time and eliminating the transfer station in Carnes town. Commissioner Archer said that he cannot see the need to approve this cut in the Public Works budget in view of the many problems that will be encountered and restated his feelings about the budget having been cut p~ough already. Mr. Barksdale stated that Utility Director Berzon has pointed out to him that the County will ultimately be faced with handl ing the same amounts of gar~age in a shorter amount of time and~ in the long run, more money will have to be expended to compact that garbage and transport it more rapidly to the landfill area which will require overtime payments to the personnel; thus, it could he more expensive to cut back on the oper- ations than it would be to keep the same operation schedule that now exists. Mr. Ira Fvans, representing Mar~0 Isla~d Taxp(jer~ Association, spoke in opposition to closing the transfer stations, explaining the health problems which ~ill result. He further spoke in favor of closely studying the administration costs of these and other operations within the County and making cuts in this area instead. He ~uggested making a 10% cut across the board, and "letting the chips fall where they may", so to speak. He said that, while he has to agree that this is not a fiscally responsible solution, it would be effective. WATER ~11\.f!.^Gn~ENT FUN11-..l~.z..oJ..Q.LPROPOsED CUTS: Mr. Barksdale statecrthat the following are cuts he is recommending that would result in no loss of services to the public: 1. Consultant to WMAB..............$lO,OOO 2. Enginecl'ing Consul tant fces re Lely Outfall Canal. .............$15,000 3. Consultant to Golden Gatc Estates Redcve10pment COIl11littee.........$15,000 BOOK 057 rAGE 15 B08X 057 PACE 16 November 17, 1980 ". Consul tant for HJ tel' Management Board of th~ GGERC (Interim Action Program design and continuing action for the overall program.............$12,000 Total* ........:f52,OOO *County Manilger NonllJn said that this would have to be cut somewhat, based on funds a1reJdy expended thus far this year. Mr. Barksdale said that hc concurred. Mr. Norman said that he agrced with the cuts for consultants, his fccling being that the professionill stJff av~i1ah1e within the County Departments can take over these responsibilities. ROADSIDE MOWING/MAINTENANCE AT AIRPORTS: Proposed cuts in these two areJS were discussed briefly, and r~r. Norman said that he believes that what is presently being done in these areas is not excessive. Conlnissioner Wenzel stated that he believes that the County should not continue to fund maintenance at the Immokalee Airport; that those people who use it. specifically the farmcrs in the are,1, should maintain it. He also sllggested that perhaps the County cou1~ simply give the airport to tile Fcder,11 Government. ~lr. Norman said that this cannot be done thi s year due to the fact tha t the County is commi tted to certain lease agreements; however, this could be done in the fut~re if the Board chooses. Conmissioner Pistor said that he is in favor of the recol;111ended 20% reduction in mowing roadsides, and the Irmokalee and Everglades City airports. COf71rnissioner ',~enze1 said he would aJree to that. COLLIER COU~TY PU3LIC LIBRARY BUDGET CUT PROPOSALS DISCUSSED ::APITAL It.IPRO'!:':!'ICIT BUDGET: Conmissioner Henzel stated that he cannots--:2c the justification for the capital improvements planned for t~e construction of the North Naples branch of the library. He said that he could see the need for branch 1 ibraries that are located long distances from the Cent:'~l library, but ~ot for one that is only 10 miles away. He said that he is voting against this. Library Director Richard Joder said that he has received a memo- randum from the County Manager requesting that he make recommendations as to where his budget could be cut in two areas; those that would result in a 5% cut. and those that would result in a 15% cut. He said that he feels that his budget is what he considers a "bare bones" budget already, and went on to explain the breakdown of the approximately $1,000,000 budget. He noted that after considering the amount of funds provided through trusts, and discounting the capital improvements proposed ... 1 r-l November 17, 1980 for the North Naples Branch, his budget represents an increase of 2.2%. Of this increase, he said he has no control over some $77,262.00 which represents items under "allocated charges". He did, however, select some 38 items that could represent the 5% additional cut, and some pro- posed cuts that would total just under the 15% mark. These cuts are concentrated within the operation of the Central Library alone, said Mr. Joder because, if any further cuts are made in the branch libraries, they would have to be closed. Mr. Joder said that he concentrated largely on "frills" or items that are nice to have, but not essential for the 5% cuts. Mr. Joder said that he had requested in the FY 80-81 budget additional pe:".;onnel. including one half-time page for Marco Island and one full-time page for the headquarters to replace the CETA position that had to be relinquished. He said that, additionally, he requested a Librarian III to staff Central Services. Mr. Joder exp1ainea his reasons for requesting the Librarian Ill, includiny the fact that soon he will not be able to function in the position that he ,."as hired to perform without additional administrative help. He noted that since he came to the County he and one secretary have perfonned all administriltive duties of the Central Library and all of the branches. He said that he is concerned because the County Manager and he have a differe~ce of cpinions regarding where to make these cuts, and feels that he (~\r. Norman) has not taken the recomnendations in order of priority. He said that he is very opposed to the recorrmendation that, in order to make a cut, Mr. NonDan is suggesting a headquarters' salaries cut of $23,968. He said that it is his position that, because his budget is already only a 2.2% increase over last year's budget, the Library should not suffer from any further cuts. He further stated that he recorrmended the Branch in North Naples due to pressure from North Naples residents, CO/llnissioner Wimer h,1S recorrmcnded it, as has the library board, He said that he is not as concerned about the branch as he is \Vith his operation budget, observing thilt the final decision rcgarding the branch, rests \Vith the Board. eOJK 057 r^GE 17 B01~ 057 pm 18 November 17, 1980 Mr. Norman said Uwt lie has made his rcconlncndations, not on the hasis of what area would Ilr: more acceptable than another for cutting, but rather as a "long-term cost-control" situation. Dr. Vernon MacKenzie, ~OO Park Shore Drive. spoke in opposition to the proposed budget cuts in the Ileal th Department, Environmental lIealth Services, Naples Bay Monitoring, Watcr Management, Solid Waste, Parks and Recreation (services for children), Library Personncl and Operations, and said that the budget was adequately cut already. Di scussed bri efly wa3 the filct that County r1anager Nonniln noted fuel prices lI\ay rise above what was recently determined to be the average price per gallon for FY 80-81, and which could negate any savings be- lieved to be possible cuts in the Vehicle Maintenance Budget; in fact, said Mr. r~orman there is a possibility that the original budget is in- adequate if tile price of fuel rises. Conmissioner Archer said that if th,lt is the CdS(, t'w use of vehir:les would have to be m:nimiz~d, or, additional funds would have to come from contingencies. Futur'e savings by not filling openings in personnel within the various dc:pai'trr,ents was addi'essed. lk. 11orr.1an supplied the Board with a list of vacant positions, and noted that a substantial amount of money has alre<1dy been sav'!d by virtue of the fact that the positions would all be vacant for ~he first quarter of the FY 80-81 year. Ad- ditionally. r1r. Nonnan gave figures that could be cut from the budget (General Fund) if the positions were to remain open. After a brief discussion regarding other possible areas that could be cut in the budget, Conmissioner Pistor asked Fiscal Officer Hall to contact Congressman Bafalis to determine status of the bill that may cut out Federal Revenue Sharing this year, adding that some $650,000 in Revenue Sharing is presently budgeted for FY 80-81. There being no further business for the good of the county the meeting \~as adjou}'ned by order of the Chair. Time: 12:45 P.M. '1 r--'--'