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Backup Documents 04/24/2012 Item #11AN1 r - SO h-NOLA Subwh -I�ed Quincy Square Meter /Service Sizing Collier County Spreadsheet Method Per Worksheet - Grand Total of Fixture Flow Value = 143 Fixture Units Per Table for Estimating Demand - 143 Fixture Units = 55 GPM Per Meter Table- 55 GPM = 1 -1/2" meter size Florida Plumbing Code, Section 603 - Drain Fixture Units Method Per Table 709.1 - Total Fixture Units = 90 DFU (Quincy Square calc) Total Fixture Units = 88 DFU (Collier County calc) SEE TABLE 603.1 Per Table 603.1 for flush tank WCs- ION PAGE 2 86 -225 DFUs = 1-1/2" minimum water service size Florida Plumbing Code, Section E103 - Water Supply Fixture Units Method Per Table E103.3 Load Values Assigned to Fixtures - Total Internal Fixture Units = 71.4 WSFU (Quincy Square calc) Total Internal Fixture Units = 62.4 WSFU (Collier County calc) Per Table E103.3 Table for Estimating Demand - Total Internal Demand = 32.7 GPM (Quincy Square calc) Total Internal Demand = 35,4 GPM (Collier County calc) Must adjust for hose bibbs Per Example on Page 3- Total continuous flow fixtures = 5 GPM /hose bibb x 4 hose bibbs = 20 GPM CONCLUSION AT THE Total Demand = 52,7 GPM (Quincy Square calc) MEETING ON 12/9/12 Total Demand = 55.4 GPM (Collier County calc) Provided by Collier Per Meter Table- County Utilities tsc/ >50 GPM = 1 -1/2" meter size Engineer to Quincy 12/9/2011 Square on 12/9/11 PAGE 1 OF 3 1 I A cK FLORIDA BUILDING CODE - PLUMBING TABLE 603.1 NOTE: UTILITIES ENGINEER CALCULATION OF FIXTURE TABLE 603.1 MINIMUM WATER SERVICE SIZE a UNITS IS 88, SEE PAGE 1. FBC / RECOMMENDS 1.5 INCH METER. NO. OF APPROX. NO. OF FIXTURE PRESSURE FIXTURE UNITS DIAMETER RECOMM ED LOSS METER UNITS FLUSH OF WATER METER E + 100' PIPE FLUSH TANK WCb PIPE- (inched (psi)e VALVE WCb 18 3,, 5 3 0 — 19 -55 1 1 30 - - 1 ZZ 1 30 9 56 -58 11/4 1 30 — - 4 1 30 10 -20 86 -225 88 11 /, 11/2 30 - - 11/2 11/2 30 21 -77 226 -350 2 11/2 30 - - 2 1%2 30 78 -175 351 -550 2 2 30 - - 2 2 30 176 -315 551 -640 21/2 2 30 - - 21/2 2 30 316 -392 641 -1340 3 3 22 - - 3 3 122 1393-940 Chapter 6, Section 603, (2)(1)(a) a. Table is applicable for both copper and plastic water piping. Chapter 6, Section 603, (2)(1)(b) b. See Table 709.1 for fixture unit values. Chapter 6, Section 603, (2)(1)(c) c. Minimum water service shall be 3/4" to control valve. Chapter 6, Section 603, (2)(1)(d) d. All secondary submeters and backflow assemblies shall be at least the same size as the line in which they are installed. Chapter 6, Section 603, (2)(1)(e) e. Table based on minimum water main pressure of 50 psi. PAGE 2OF3 I I I CR Calculation of Water Flow Rates for Different Pipe Sizes (Hazen Williams Formula - U.S. units) Pipe Material: PVC Hazen Williams Coefficient, C = Pressure drop over the pipe length, AP = 30 psi Pipe # of Water Water Water Flow Rate in GPM Flow Rate Flow Rate Additional 2 inch Length Bldgs Main Meter Pipe Diameter in Inches at Building at Building Capacity ft 0.5 0.75 1 1.5 2 2.5 3 4 5 6 5 28 82 174 507 1080 1942 3137 6685 12023 19420 10 19 56 120 349 743 1336 2158 4598 8269 13357 15 16 45 96 280 597 1073 1733 3694 6643 10730 20 13 39 83 240 511 919 1484 3162 5687 9186 40 9 27 57 165 351 632 1021 2175 3911 6318 70 7 20 42 122 260 467 754 1608 2891 4670 100 6 16 35 101 1 214 385 622 1326 2385 3852 Hazen Williams Equation as use \ines spreadsheet: Q = 0.442 C Dz.es(AP /L)e Q is the water flow ra D is the pipe diameter L is the pipe length in ft AP is the pressure difference Table C -3 from Attachment C Note: Maximum Flow Capacity of a 2 inch meter= 160 pipe length L in psi and a 1.5 inch meter = 100 gpm NET BENEFIT Config. # of Water Water Residential Flow Rate Flow Rate Additional 2 inch Bldgs Main Meter Service Line at Building at Building Capacity Meter Service Size Size (meter 1.5 for a 2 inch Realized Capacity Line Size to bldg.) PVC PVC service Above a 1.5 Benefit (main to \sei e line inch meter meter) B 13 2 inch 2 inch 1.5 inch 101 GPM -- - - - - -- 1 GPM +1% C1 1 2 inch 2 inch 2 inch --- - - - - -- -- - - - - -- -- - - - - -- -- - - - - -- C2 1 2 inch 2 inch 1.5 inch 101 GPM -- - - - - -- 1 GPM +1% Config. B and C -2 have service line flow rates of 101 gpm based on calculation of water flow rates for different pipe sizes, pressure drops, and length of pipe using the Hazen Williams Equation. A calculation of water flow rate in a 1.5 inch PVC pipe with a pressure drop of 30 psi over 100 feet of PVC pipe is 101 gpm. See chart above for a 1.5 inch pipe, 100 feet in length. CONCLUSION: A 1.5" PIPE IS LIMITED TO 101 GMP, THEREFORE THE 2" METER IS LIMITED TO 101 GMP AS WELL!! PAGE 3OF3 W.J. JOHNSON & ASSOCIATES Consulting Engineers Summary 1. Is a 2 inch meter on a 1 -1/2 inch pipe line necessary? Answer: , because the 2 inch meter capacity of 160 GPM is wasted due to the 1- 1/2 inch pipe flow restriction of 101 GPM. See bottom of page 3. 2. Is a 2 inch meter on a 2 inch pipe line over -kill? Answer: It's akin to a "Rube Goldberg" design. A 2 inch meter on a 2 inch pipe produces 160 GPM capacity, which is 104.6 GPM more that the Total Demand of 55.4 GPM; or 288% more. This is totally un- necessary. Designers are trained, and have an ethical obligation, to make sure their design meet minimum code requirements for public health and safety. On the other hand, professional designers that deliberately over - design pipe sizes and meter sizes that are unreasonably over and above by a factor of 288% of what is actually needed for the consumer is neither fair nor is it ethical. 3. Does a 1 -1/2 inch meter meet Code requirements? Answer: YES See page 2. 4. Does it provide an optimal range of design flows that meets minimum Code requirements as well as provide an optimum range of flow for meter accuracy and functionality? YES. a 1 -1/2 inch meter capacity is 100 GPM, the Total Demand is 55.4 GPM. Therefore a 1 -1/2 meter has 100 - 55.4 = 44.6 GPM extra flow above Total Demand. 100 GPM is 81% extra capacity built in to account for any fluctuations in higher demand that might exceed 55.4 GPM without compromising the meter's accuracy or functionality. 5. Does a 1 -1/2 meter on a 1 -1/2 inch service pipe under peak water use (55.4 GPM) in all four units in each building provide enough water so that you would never need more capacity? , because the 55.4 GPM is based on all four units using water. That's why it's called Total or Peak Demand. The 1 -1/2 inch meter can handle up to 100 GMP, which is nearly 2 times the Total or Peak _ Demand. 1 In order to reach a Total or Peak Demand of 55.4 GPM, all four unit occupants would have to run all of their appliances, flush all their toilets, open all faucets and outdoor hose bibs at the same time. This type of event would be highly unlikely to say the least. W. J. JOHNSON & ASSOC /A TES Michael A. Etelamaki, P.E. 10961 Bonita Beach Road - Bonita Springs, Florida 34135 - 239 -596 -3200 - Fax: 239 -596 -3201 Quincy Square Building 1- First Permit Permit Contact Information 574F-r= i (-P CC411� !1P Permit No. Status Permit Type Address Office 2005012574 COED BR2 " 7820 CLEMSON ST 1 0 Browse APpi Info I Site Info I Building I Assoc. Tables I Dates I Update Info I Master No. 2005012574 Model F_ Model Description COA 05 -1041 Contractor Est. Value 1 415500 P1G FCC Code 104 RITHREE YOUR FAMILY Address No. 359077 " Type RUTH. SIGNER v j Name SHARON FRADD Contact Name DORSEY r Contact Phone (239)591 -4308 Job Description 12 STORY CBS 4 -PLEX 900 AM Job Phone (239)591 -4308 Name CENTEX HOMES WWP F Address 5801 PELICAN BAY BLVD S T E 600 City INAPLES St FL Zip 134103 Certificate No 14937 " DBA Name ICENTEXHOMES License No ICGC031339 CANCEL Comment Listing Report CDPR1007 - Comment Listing Report 5709 FP IfA. !1 A 0-� REF TYPE REF KEY STATUS ORIGINAL USER ORIGINAL DATE /TIM PT 2005012574 INFO OLKO_B 3/8/2005 LAST UPDATE USE LAST UPDATE DATE COMMENT JAVIERMARTINEZ 1/9/2012 WATER & SEWER IMPACT FEES 12/18/11 HOA requested a new 1.5" meter (a downsize from existing 2" meter) approved by Collier County Public Utilities Division.... Javier 3/8/05 NEW 2" METER, OUST. REQUEST, 4 UNITS OVER 1501 SF PER DORSEY, 591 -4308 WATER IMPACT FEES $10,640 [4X$2660= $10,640] SEWER IMPACT FEES $12,040 [4X$3010 = $12,040] METER TAP $851 REF TYPE REF KEY STATUS ORIGINAL USER ORIGINAL DATE /TIM PT 2005012574 INFO KUCKO_J 8/19/2005 LAST UPDATE USE LAST UPDATE DATE COMMENT KUCKO_J 8/19/2005 Time specific 100 @ 3:00 8/22/05 $40 David 253 -6761 REF TYPE REF KEY STATUS ORIGINAL USER ORIGINAL DATE /TIM PT 2005012574 INFO KUCKO_J 8/25/2005 LAST UPDATE USE LAST UPDATE DATE COMMENT KUCKO_J 8/25/2005 Time specific 100 @ 9:00 8/26/05 $40 Kerry 253 -0348 REF TYPE REF KEY STATUS ORIGINAL USER ORIGINAL DATE /TIM PT 2005012574 INFO WARREN_W 9/21/2005 LAST UPDATE USE LAST UPDATE DATE COMMENT WARREN_W 9/21/2005 stem wall change 9- 21 -05ww REF TYPE REF KEY STATUS ORIGINAL USER ORIGINAL DATE /TIM PT 2005012574 INFO ELIZABETOTERO 9/26/2005 LAST UPDATE USE LAST UPDATE DATE COMMENT VELLOS_M 10/4/2005 rev 1 is pending REF TYPE REF KEY STATUS PT 2005012574 INFO COMMENT CHANGED ELEC /ROOF SUBS ORIGINAL USER ORIGINAL DATE /TIM DORISCOUTURE 9/28/2005 LAST UPDATE USE LAST UPDATE DATE DORISCOUTURE 9/28/2005 REF TYPE REF KEY STATUS ORIGINAL USER ORIGINAL DATE /TIM PT 2005012574 INFO LUNAAGUIRRE 9/30/2005 LAST UPDATE USE LAST UPDATE DATE COMMENT LUNAAGUIRRE 9/30/2005 9/30/05 REC'D TEMP POWER AFFIDAVIT /KLA REF TYPE REF KEY STATUS ORIGINAL USER ORIGINAL DATE /TIM PT 2005012574 INFO ABLERKENNETH 10/3/2005 LAST UPDATE USE LAST UPDATE DATE COMMENT ELIZABETOTERO 8/10/2006 C 0 HLOD UNTIL THERE IS AN APPROVED INSUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THE APPROVED SDP #AR6372 Collier County Printed on 8:08:04AM 3/27/2012 CD -plus for Windows 95/98/NT Page 1 of 3 A m (I 3 I w r m I. 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