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Dnr1 for th~ COllnt.y of r':ol IIp.r, ;1nr' ,,1 so ñctlnCJ ;)5 th~ Governing
BOñrcl(s) of sll~h sp0ci¡¡1 (listricts DS !1,1ve heen crl?atcr:1 ilccorninC" to
lilw ñn" hilvinr¡ r'on-lu':tf'!rl h\l!dr.r>~~ hr~rr>in, ',-,et on this (1ilte i11: In:sr.
^."'. In Conf('rrnce ;'f'!s"ion in 81111rlin'l "P" of the COllrthou5~ Complex
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VICr. C¡¡"Tn~\".N: Clifforò \A.'enzel
c. n. "Russ" Wiml?r
"'ñry-frñnccs Kruse
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C. \.'111 10M ~torm"n, County "'éln;'!']cr¡ Terry "Irta,
Community f'C'velopmrnt ^-If"inlstr,1tor¡ [,(!c L;)yn0., Plùnncr¡ 2.n", f.dna L.
Brenneman, Deputy Clr>rl-:.
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1. Review of stñff report an~ prOrOS0~ oròlnñnce r(''Jélr~inq
Tr~nsFcrs of nevrlopr:¡cnt Piqhts
Rf.VIEW OF STAFF R~rOn1' ^~D rROPOS~n nn~I~^NCE REGARDING TRANSFERS OF
DEVF:LOP~'ENT RIGHTS - "1^T1'f.R 1'0 P,f FIJR1'IISP. COW'IDf.RF'D DURING FUTURE
I'IORY-SIIOP Sf.SSION
ComMunity nev~lopment ~~MinistrDtor Virta recalled th~t at the
previous week's meeting of the no~r~ the propose~ ñmenðment to the "ST"
Ordinance WélS outlinorl inclu~inq the st~ff recommenrlations pertaining
to th~ ordinñnce.
Tho proposeò ordinilnCp., sni~ ~r. Virta, is one which
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the staff feels ~eets th~ ~irpction of the Roard as to th~ conti~u¡ty
question within the Or~inance. Mr. virtñ aJso note~ thilt, included i;
the ð!'Jpn'i'1 materiéll is i'I M0Mou1nrlllr1 '1.1tprl "'",rcn ,~, 1Q70 froM his
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prcdp.cessor, Dr. Neno .1. Spûqn~, which ~op.s into th0 hl~tory of th~
Ordinance, as w011 as ñ staff rp.port written ~hout thr00 Y~Ars ~00 hy
Dr. Spagna with re~arrJ to t:he conti<)uit.y AS I~ rcliÜe!õ to 1t1'~pIS".
from the staff prosp~ctive, the "hot tOM lln~" Is th~t IF the contin·"
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practical purposp.s, vlÍll hë1VC hccn ner¡é't0(l, he r.onclur'crJ.
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Commissioner \~0nzel inquired if it is the st~ff's rlesirc to hûve
Board approval, or rejection, of ItemS T\ throu'1h r, ,!~; containeð in the
·"Staff Memorandum dated April ~(), InrI.
Mr. virt~ relterélte~ that the
proposed chanqes met the Roard directive; howev~r, at the same time,
the staff would rñther that the Orrlinance not hc chilnqed in that way.
A direction which might he pursue~, sai~ ~r. virta, would he to dilute
the "TDR" process r"ther than to "I'hrow It out" sU'lgesting, for
example, thélt insteðð of al10\"in'1 onc-h;llf unit. per "r.rl?, th0 tri'lnsfer
could be one-hAlf unit rer t0n i'lcr0.s.
Tn t~ls way, only slzahl0. trActs
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served, he add0rJ.
Planner Lee f.rJync cxrl;1Ìncr1 thAt thr> on1.y propas0rl ch;1n'1l' frol'" the
19711 Ordinance is the time limitiltion for "'T'~n's" \,¡hirh h,"/0. <:1rf'!Aòy
been transferrerl.
r~r. Vlrt,' polnteò OU" th,'t the density v.'Qulrl not
change; hOvlever, it is proposcd th,lt, on ":'1'" lilnrJ from \'Ihich ""DR's"
are generatecl, the trAnsfer rights woulrl hI' lowercrl to one-hnl f unit:
per ten acres, anò to non-contir¡uous properties.
Ms. Layne ðlso arldressed él question which w~s posrrl hy Ch~irmRn
pistor, that heing the mattf?r of not decr1ln<1 L,nd to the Îounty. ~he
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ncrl'n1c Is pl~cl'~ In Sf'!pnrAtp i1r('~s rAthf'!r thnn in tho lOST" nreas. In
su~h C,'S0S, ~·5. Lnyne cont,inllod, ther,=, i'lrQ no "Tr.fPs" involved but,
rnth('r, " rcloc~tion of thn units to lI~on-S1''' 1~nds.
In responsl' to rommls"ioncr ~im0r, Ms. [~yne SAid that the basis
for trñnsferrin'l to non-contiqllolls lðnGs \oU1S to ñvoid the té1king of
property ri~hts without '1ivin'l sOMl'thin'l in return.
Commissioner
Wenzel questioned why it w~s n('ccssnry to plilce value on worthless land
which could not h(' hlillt upon ,'nyw"y.
~. r. vir t i\ po i n ten 0 II t t h ¡> t, by
virtuf'! of thr current Systr>M, th" ~ounty héls i\ vl~hle mnnqrove area
which h'lll rr:m,-dn forev0r ,1nr' "I"ich Is import.i1nt to th" ,,~olor:¡y nnr.,
more import,1ntly, it is worth "soM0thin'}" to t.h" citizens of Collier
rOllnty.
rh~irn~n nistor rxr'nln('~ w"y, in "is opinion, n ~ced is
r r " f p r " h 1 c t 0 ;~ r¡ 1I " r ñ n t, C (' t 11 i1 t t h (' 1 ,1 n r] \-1 I 1 1 not h" ,1 eve lop ('(1 he c nus e ,
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i'I rer:1ovñl of th(' "ST" r1esl<'jnation coulr. hr regucsten hy the property
own0r, 'tlhcreas 11 dce" "'ould prollidc perr:1ñnf'nt assurilnr:e.
Having been ñpprised th~t the staff is not recommending the
chilnqcs set forth in the ñforcm('ntione~ MenoranrJum, CO~"1issioner '<1enzel
Asked whnt the stélff's recommendations ar~ with ~r. virta replying that
the élctunl véllup <J"nerñterl hy the "S1''' lanc1s that "TOn's" are rer110ved
from should he rcviewed in terms of, perh~ps, diluting the value in a
réltio si~ilar to what he h~s suqgestcd.
COfT1misslon....r \·,j~C( ingulr"rl ~hout the numhcr of "ST-TDR" units
which ñrc avni1nhlr in the ~ounty, assumlnn ~h~t ~t ~nm" nft!n~ ~h~v
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"'S. Lé1yne replierJ th,1t, é1ccoròin'1 to nr. Spagn,"S
Report, the figure of over "Ic;,0nn "rr~s of "S1''' ],1nr1 \<,',1S 'Jiven, rOM'-
menting that that figure hé1S heen rcrlurerl "om~wh"t ~nrl thAt it is
probably closer t.o 1(),nnn ,1t this po:"t..
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for transfer, said ~s. Layne.
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Commissioner Brown questionerJ thr need for stlrul~tln~ thllt the
"TDR's" must be transferred to conti0uoUs propcrty suggesting that It
-~ould be considcred unfair since they could he "sw"ppcrlM to other
suitable lands.
lie recé111ed that he voted "gñinst the "ST" ~oncept
from the bCCJinning, his feeling being that the Poard could deal on a
one-on-one bélsis on applicñtions that rome before it.
Rer¡¿nding the time' limit is;,uc, Mr. Virt,1 s~ld that, if the
contiguity ,1mendmcnt Is ,1(joptp.d, hp. 'dol)lrl I"ncour,1<Je thi1t él tiT'1p. limit
be placed on "1'rR's".
lie concl)rrer~ \-¡iU1 r""1'iMi~sloner '.,'il'1rr's ohs0r-
vñtion that, if the transfer is to conti'1uous property, the réltio would
be hi<Jher thi1n it .../Oul d hI' to non-rort igu::¡us I ,'Inris.
Commissioner \\'imer voicf'rl his stron0 f0(>1 inr!" ,1hout the lñnrl not
being c1eec1(>c1 to the rounty.
PI" SUì'll"ster1 ~h,1 t tf-)" 0nl y exc(>pt ions
should he within the p",r,1Meter of: " "PlIn" - othl"n.,rlsc, It shouln he
deeded.
Ms. ~ñrion rle Forest, Prf'!slr1rnt or the L~i1'1I (> of vOT:1l"n voters, ',¡,lS
present to provirle input int:o the suhjcrt ilnr., ,'MOn'1 her conmf'!nts \'!er~
that the the proposé1] of puttin'l " rllffe'rcnt vé1lue on tho;,(' lanns that
may be scpar<1ted hy étn intcrv<:'nln'l '~'jent versus t.he ones h'hirh iHI?
contiguous has somc valu<:'.
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rrohl~m!\ with 'lU;)ri1nI.0ns on 1,1n" hu~. not r'nn-1r:-rl to ~,h., County, Dn~
conclu<"1C'<1 hy (''(pres!';ln1 th~ oplnl:n tn:':: it. \~()1I1( hn ~~sirñhte to limil
thl'! use of thl'! "1'nn's" to, for Inst..1nr.c, two YCélrs I1ftf?r they have been
tr;¡nsferrerl.
Mr. ~~w;'!r~ J. vnnt, wlt.h the' rol1i(!r n('velop~(!nt Corpor~tion, said
thllt his firm hils som0 thou0hts on the proposal, among them the opinion
that the proposéll orcsent(!n hy t.he stélff I1n0 ñir0ct(!n hy the Poarà is
u n \~O r k ñ b 1 e .
'r~lC quest.ion of contl'Julty, s"id ~'r. Krlnt, totðlly suh-
vcr t s the i n ten t, not 0 n 1 y 0 f t h 0. 0 r I r¡ I n ,11 n r r1 I n ,1 n r. (!, hut the Wf1 y t h P.
Comprehensive rléln Wl1s Implementcn ñroun<"1 It.
He s"i<1 that they would
h (' con r. " r n Po (1 11 h 0 II t i1 n y ;~ t t c m p~. tot 0 t a' 1 y rl0 11"" ð Y ...,.¡ t h t. h 'è'
non-contiguity provision.
110. si1i,1 thi't h0. ....'oulrJ h0. In fi1Vor of <:on-
tinuin'l ....,Ith <0['1,.,lssion0fs '.";mnr's '1n.J Distor's ;,\\'Fl("stions relativE' to
rllff0rcnti;¡1s In thn rates of tr"nsFrr~.
Th!' '1llestion of i1 guñrant0e
.:1S opposed to i1 r100'" on sucr¡ nrop" r ties is" O\ll"st i on t.hi1 t Must he
lookerl Into very célfOflll1y i'n" shoul" \),., furt1l1"r rn"\0.....'0,. 1)f~r"r0. i'1ny
Action Of direction Is qiven to eith"r th0. r^r~ or the staff, he sðid.
It was his sugg0stion th~t adrJltional Workshop Sessions be held so thAt
interested memhl"rs of the puhlic, civic groups I1nd the like, c;¡n be
present to provine input, ohserving thllt, in his opinion, th0.re is
nothin0 wrong with the WilY the nrr1lnñn~e is presently worded.
Co~missioner Kruse Ingllired if surfl1ce and minerñl rights are
inclu~en for lélnn which is rleen(!n to the County.
It wns the consensus
of the AOl1rrJ thnt Commission(!f Kruse hñ~ rélised n qood question with
~r. Vlrtð statlnq that th0 nnttcr woulrl not hf'! over'ooke~.
In respons0 to ~n issue hrou~~t up by Mr. Mik~ Zewnlk, Mr. virta
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said thðt "TDR'S" can on1y be trAnsferred ð~cordinq to the rAtio in the
Ordinélnce ùnd thAt only r.ertnln Z0nln~ rllstrlcts cnn he the r~clp\~n~r,
for such transfers.
~\r. Zewalk expfl':sseò his support of the sa'=egllar~s
pertaininC) to the provision thðt trc ., '
Chairman pistor ohsrrve~ thAt m~ny sug~09tlons hAve been mAd~
durirg the discussion éln~ sni~ that h~ woul~ like to sce the 0rrlinnnce
reviewed with the posslhility of cont\~uous property hnvin~ transfcr
rights at one ri'1te and non-contiguous Inn'ls (It a IT\uch Jesser rAte "r"
time limitation est~hlish0~.
,Mr. virtél InqlllrecJ if it is the Boarn's
intention to have élnother ~orkshor ~ession Dfter thr draft h~s he en
prepared with Con¡missioncr wimer responrling thnt it wou]~ be a ~oort
ideD to have ~nothcr session with A1] Intcreste~ persons in attendance.
In Ad~ition to tIle suggestions whir.h h~ve been marle, Commissioner Wimer
sai<:1 thé1t he ~Ioulrl llk(! to ,"lso rliscu;,s U~C isl,)n,1 élr~rtS, aS9un¡in<1 thrtt
tlley arc non-contiguous, beCAUSC those are ~rens that ~r~ the most
desirahle of :,ccuring ,ln~ protr>ctin'l anr] th,1t, n0rh,1ps, cncollrnnem('nt
can he given for thost:' heinr) rlcrr1r,-J to the f'ounty.
Commissioner pistor pointcn out that I~ would he the n¡i~rl]c of
.July hcfore ¿¡ ""orl-:shor Session on the suhj0.ct could h0. held.
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The meetinq WélS ilrljournerl to reconvene in negulélr ~rs~ion hy order
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