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Naples, Florida, August 28, 1987
IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County Commissioners in
the County of Collier, and also acLing as the Board of Zoning
and as the governing board(s) of such special districts as
to law and having conducted business
herein, met on this date at 9:00 A.M. in BUDGET WORKSHOP SESSION in
Building "F" of the Government Center, East Naples, Florida, with the
members present:
CHAIRMAN: Max A. Hasse, Jr.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Arnold Lee Glass
John A. Pistor
Burt L. Saunders
Anne Goodnight
ALSO PRESENT: Beverly Kueter and Maureen Kenyon, Deputy Clerks;
I. Neil Dorril1, County Manager; Ken Cuyler, County Attorney; Lori Zalka,
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:~:~'~. Budget Director; Tom Crandall, Utilities Administrator; Kevin
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and Leo Ochs, Administrative Services
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COKMUNI~Y DEVELOPMENT
Budget Director Zalka advised that the Board requested information
regarding the funding elements of Community Development in the MSTD
fund, information on building permits, and a change of name for the
Economic Development Department to Housing & Urban Improvement. She
noted that the name change will appear on the Boar~'~ ðgenà~ for the
September l, 1987 meeting.
Ms. Zalk~ stated that the current tentative budget includes the
Community Development Division in the Community Development Fund
(Attachment "A"), with the exception of the Administrative sections of
Community Development, Planning Department and Economic Development
Departm~nt which appear in the MSTD, the ad valorem tax supported
fund. She advised that the Community Development Fund is the building
permit fund.
Ms. Zalka stated that based on that funding mechanism the result
is an unincorporated area tax increase of 4l% and a building permit
fee increase of l5%. She then presented the following options:
1. If the Standard Housing Code, which is part of
Economic Development were moved to the MSTD instead
of being left in the building permit fund, then the
permit fee increase would go down from 15% to 12%,
but unincorporated taxes would go up to 43%.
If Long Range Planning were also moved to MSTD there
would be a further decrease in building permit fees
to 5% and an increase in unincorporated area property
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Department in the Building Permit Fee Fl.J:1d, percentage
wise with the MSTD Fund, the permit fee increase would
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go up and ad valorem taxes would go down and if this
were done for Planning and Community Development, the
result would be a fee increase higher than the 15% pro-
posed in the amended tentative budget.
that the budget be left as it appears in the
direct services included in the Community
permit fees, and the Administration sec-
tions in the MSTD Fund, ad valorem taxes.
Commissioner pistor stated his feeling that the Community
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for the unincorporated areas, with the exception of growth
which appears in the County-wide General Fund.
Manager Dorrill stated that this is the first time money
out of Community Development and placed in the MSTD
He' said that while the contractors are pleased that this has
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been done, they would like to see more of the burden taken off the
He recommended that the Board accept the proposed budget
and investigate a two year phasing cycle for establishing Community
Developm~nt as a tax supported activity.
Commissioner Saunders stated his agreement with the two year
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County is currently charging under the average and the 15% increase
will place Collier County sJightly above the average.
County Manager Dorrill noted that Collier County has not had a
permit fee increase in four years.
UTILITIES
Ms. Zalka stated the issue is the settlement of the East Naples
Plant and there was a proposal to tran3fer $398,000 from th~ General
Fund to the Utili ties Di vis::'on and Clerk Giles is gcing to re(lI'~st an
Attorney General's Opinion on the legality of this payment to the
utilities Fund. She stated that before an actual transfer is made,
Staff will wait for the Opinion. She said that in the interim the
County Attorney and Clerk of Courts has recommended that the payment
to utilities, which is $796,000 or $398,000 for two years, be ~u~geted
from the MSTD General Fund instead of the County-wide General Fund.
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Ms. Zalka stated that the tentative unincorporated area maximum
millage rate of a 45% increase was reduced to 28% when the Board
removed $3,000,000 in Capital Reserve, however, adding the transfer to
utilities the 28% will go back up to 41%.
utilities.
He stated that all actions in the suits were related to
the actions of the utility purchase and was not a basic benefit to all
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the people in the County.
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Mr. Dorrill stated that all of the lawsuits were not related to
He said some had to do with rezoning matters associated
Commissioncr Saunders stated the whole
thing revolved around the utility question, but there were counts
involving zoning and other matter. He said the County had insurance
which was paying 80% of the litigation cost, so there was no real
exposure to the County. He said the settlement only involveà ~he
purchase of the system and he agrees with Commissioner Glas3.
In response to Chairman Hasse, Ms. Zalka stated that if the Board
to have the Utility Fund pay the whole cost, the unincor-
area taxes will go down to the 28% increase rather than the
increase. Mr. Dorrill stated that there will also be a
expense on the Water/Sewer District, but it is solely a
policy·decision. Ms. Zalka stated the impact on the Utilities Fund
would be the need for future rate increases to gen~rate $796,000.00.
Answering Mr. Dorrill, Ms. Zalka stated the Utilities Fund has
already paid and the reimbursement would not be made until the
Attorney General's Opinion is received. She stated this really sets
aside the money in the Unincorporated Area Fund and the significant
is, does the County have the money in the fund it is coming
After some discussion on reserving this money, Mr. Dorrill
suggested that there be no reserve and if the Attorney General's
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Opinion leans toward tax participation, it could be budgeted next
year.
Commissioner Saunders stated that the Attorney General is going
to render an opinion on whether it can be taxed Co~~ty-wide and the
Commission must decide if it is going to be paid through tax~s or
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suits, although mosL did have to do with utilities, it should be noted "·:i·,,:.:i·
that a lot of their claims had to do with utility rate regulation. He.::V:~~:
stated the regulation is something separate and apart from the
County-wide.
Assistant County Attorney Anderson stated that this is the second
time the County has requested an Attorney General's Opinion and the
first time it took 5 months to get a response and that the Opinion
did not really answer the County's question.
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Opinion said "It would appear that only funds from the governmental
entity involved may be used to pay the costs associated with litiga-
tion to which the specific governmental entity was a party."
the County, along with the County water/Sewer District, individual
County's Water/Sewer District Operations. He explained that rate
regulation is a police power that the County had before it was trans-
ferred to t~e Public Service Commission.
Commissioner Glass stated that under those circumstances, he con-
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stated that at this point, he feels there is no basis to take the
money out of general funds.
Ms. Zalka stated the budget will be changed to show a 28% increase
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.If pe, ·:::~ty Manage' Do"i11 stated that Staff has ,eeeived an initial
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PUBLIC WORKB
Port-Au-Prince Engineering MSTD - Ms. Zalka stated that the
Public Works Administrator spoke with some of the homeowners in that
district and recommends n~ change to the tentative budge~. She stated
the 7.8 mils to be levied in FY 1988 represents a 3% tax decrease.
BoliO Waste Department - Landfill Mining Project - She stated the
new landfill mining project could save $230,000. She said this would
for daily fill requirements.
He said that one of the most expensive
operating expenses at the landfill is the need to buy dirt on a daily
basis.
He advised the proposal being explored, which will be pre-
sented to the Commission shortly, is to rent some ~creening and
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the material has been tentatively approved by DER as fill. He stated
this would alleviate the need to purchase fill on a daily basis.
Mr. Dorrill stated this would also save $1 from the p~oposed
increase which was to be set aside for future landfill purcha~e. He
stated they still need the two dollars, but th,~ existing operJting
costs can be reduced by $1. He noted there will be no incrt>;Ise until
the Board adopts a resolution to increase the fees.
In response to Chairman Hasse, Mr. Dorrill stated the cost of the
pilot project will be less than $50,000, but the cost could be reco-
vered quickly. He advised the equipment will be leased for the test
period because it is exper imental. [Ie said the only issues to be
resolved during the test period are air quality issues and some on-
going testing of the material to make certain it is not hazardous.
It was the general consensus that the budget be changed to reflect
a $1 increase in tipping fees.
COURTS AND RELATED AGENCIES
state Attorney - MSTD General Fund - Ms. Zalka stated that origi-
nally $25,000 was included for a contract with the State Attorney.
stated the State Attorney has advised that this is an unacceptable
option and in order for them to improve their involvement in prosecu-
tion of County Ordinance violations, it would require the County to
fund a full time attorney al a cost of $40,000, including benefits.
Ms. Zalka stated the two options are to provide the $40,000 and
have an attorney dedicated to Ordinance violations or not to fund
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Saunders asked the County Attorney if it would be
appropriate for the Commission to establish a Code Enforcement noard
for prosecution of these types of offenses and would it eliminate the
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He reminded the Board that the County has a right to go to
Office for prosecution regardless of whether a
He said the question is when there is a big case
the front page of the newspaper, will it be the type
Attorney's Office can look at in a reasonable
He said they have found that in some cases it is not
work load.
Commissioner Glass stated that in the past they have funded a
position in conjunction with the City and have wound up with the
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the experience.
Commissioner Glass sLated that if the County goes with a code
enforcement board the process becomes decriminalized ard ~he time
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Attorney's Office can move fairly quickly on most casf'!S becal',se they
are misdemeanors. Commissioner Glass stated that the Stat~ Attorney's
office has a tremendous workload which must be recognized.
Commissioner Saunders sLated that with a code enforcement board
the options are still open and if there is a particular~y bad case, it
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could still be turned over to the State Attorney's office for prosecu-
tion. He noted the bulk of the cases, however, could be handled
through a code enforcement board.
He stated his opinion that the
code enforcement board on Marco Island has worked very well, and'most
cases are cleared up when the code enforcement board notices the
violator. He pointed out that his opinion of the problem is that the
County has had a dedicated prosecutor who has not had that many cases
to prosecute.
Commissioner Saunders asked if there is any instances where a spe-
cial prosecutor could be appointed for these cases, such as the County
Attorney's office? ~1r. Cuyler stated that the he knows of no provi-
sion for this and the StRte Attorney wants to keep criminal prosecu-
tions within the State Attorney's office.
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the speed of the prosecutions. lie pointed out that there is no
enforcement board in place at this time and if that is what the
Commission wants to do, then it needs to be started quickly.
Asked for his recommendation, County Manager Dorrill stated that
he sees the County leaning toward a separate code enforcement board in
the future, however, for the interim he would defer to the County
Attorney's advise.
Responding to Chairman Hasse, Mr. Cuyler stated that it will take
a little time to implement a code enforcement board because appoint-
be made, staff needs to be designated to work with that
procedures need to be established, and policy decisions need to
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¡bably be December or January before it could be operational.
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fl~i;:':' to code enforcement. H~ said if it is a single case, it would still
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it is not a desirable approach from the State Attorney's view to have
someone outside of that office designated as a prosecutor. He stated
his feeling that it would not be acceptable.
Commissioner Saunder~ suggested that the Board should not
appropriate the $25,000 and direct the County Attorney's office to
work with the Community Development Division to establish an
appropriate code enforcement board or boards, and if there is a par-
ticularly difficult case it can go through the State Attorney's office
for prosecution.
Community Development Administrator Pettrow stated that a code
e.'forcement board for the minimum housing code will be requested later,
in the fall. He stated this is standard practice for minimum nousing
codes and the question arises as to whether the Commission wants to
include zoning enforcement in that board. He advised that at the pre-
sent tim~ a "Notice to Appear" citation process is used and the zoning
investigators place this on the County Court docket and the violator
either pleads guilty, and if they plead not guilty it is automatically
remanded to the State Attorney's office. He said that very few cases
go to the State Attorney's office.
Mr. Pettrow stated that they are hiring ar~~ther zoning investiga-
tor and the present system will probably be improved. He stated that
he has never worked with an enforcement board for zoning because the
County Court is almost always used. He stated his opinion that he is
not sure that is the proper direction to take.
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~McKim stated that only 10 to 15 cases have gone to the State
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Mr. Pettrow statud that during the month
said 80% complied and 20% went to County Court. lie reported that out
of the 20% that went to County Court only one or two will end up in
the State Attorney's office.
Mr. Cuyler pointed out that if a code enforcement board is
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Commissioner Goodnight stated they need to be realistic and see if
is ,less expensive to create a board or fund the State Attorney.
Commissioner Glass stated there is no reason to change right now,
but the County Attorney should look into the matter.
It was the general consensus that the $25,000 be taken out of the
budget.
COUNTY MANAGER
Budget Director Zalka advised that the requested cost analysis of
former County Manager settlement appears on Attachment "C". She
stated that the costs of the tentative County Manager reorganization
Assistant to the Manager for East County ^ffairs¡ 0epartment
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Secretary; Division Administrator for Emergency Services; and a
Secretary for a total cost of $163,000.
PUBLIC SERVICES DIVISION
Medical Examiner -
Ms. Zalka stated there was a request for addi-
tional salary money for the Assistant Medical Examiner. She stated
the requested detailed salary survey appears on Attachment "D". She
recommended that the Board approve the tentative budget because it is
consistent with the survey results. She noted the budget provides for
$7l,000 for the Assistant Medical Examiner and the survey shows that
full time Assistants are paid between $50,000 and $80,000.
Davið Lawrence Mental Health Center - Ms. Zalka stated the Board
requested a copy of their pay plan which appears as Attachment "E".
Commissioner Glass requested that the Budget Office calculate the,
minimum salaries from this pay plan.
Youth Guidance - Ms. Zalka stated that there was a request for
costs for an Immoka1ee Office. She said the cost of an office for
Immokalee will be $16,100. She stated the cost to add a specialist is
$19,400. She recommended that the tentative budget of one director
and two specialists be maintained and office space in Immokalee be
added. She stated there is $9,100 in the Trust Fund which could be
used for this and $7,000 from General Fund Reserves.
In answer to Commissioner Goodnight, County Manager Dorrill stated
that the proposal is to have a full-time, 40-hour specialist in
Immokalee and a full-time specialist in Naples and have the director
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both. He ~;tated, however, that he could not say today exactly
going to be,
Mr. Brad Estes, Greater Naplcs Civic Association, statcd they are
, concerned about the County providing a service which is a State
,~responsibility. Commissioncr Glass adviscd that whcn thc State docs
not fulfill their obligati0ns, the County still has a responsibility
to its citizens and this program is needcd, Commissioncr Saunders
noted that it is less expensive to help prevent crime than to prose-
It was the general consensus that the $16,100 be added to the ten-
Youth Guidance Büdget.
Western Gateway Ambulance - Ms. Zalka stated there are several
for consideration on this item. She said the first options is
with Western Gateway and have Ochopee Fire
mill for an additional cost to the County
City of $20,000. She said the
to use Ochopee Fire District personnel and have them
levy 1 additional mill, which will cost the County $73,000 and cost
the City of Everglades an additional $20,000. She said the third
option is to use EMS personnel and have Ochopee Fire District levy 1
additional mill, which will cost the County $67,300, and cost the City
of Everglades an additional $20,000. She said the fourth option is to
provide an ambulance at a cost of $32,000 which includes the trade-in
on the current ambulance. Ms. Zalka stated the fifth option is not to
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provide the extra Jevel of service.
Ms. Zalka slated the Staff recommendation is to charge the Ochopee
Fire District an additional 2 mills, which will cost the City of
Everglades $~O,OOO. She stated at this point the only decision to
make is who is going to operate the ambulance.
Commissioner Goodnight stated her feeling that the Ochopee Fire
District should not be charged anything additional because it is a
County-wide benefit and th0 statistics show that most of the calls
during the last 18 months are from people who do not reside within
that district.
In answer to Commissioner Goodnight, Ms. Eva Weeks of Western
Gateway Ambulance, stated they are not paid for the response tò acci-
dents which are turned over to EMS. She stated that when they
transfer a patient to EMS, the billing is handled by EMS. Ms. Weeks
also stated that if the County decides to purchase the equipment the
cost would be $42,000 because a modular ambulance is needed.
Much discussion resulted on a m~thod to reimburse Western Gateway
for their services when the County bills the patient. Mr. Dorrill
stated that it would probably be best to allocate the portion bill~d
for "BLS" service, since that is the portion they are providing.
Ms. Zalka stated Lhat the total cost is $134,800 and that the
money be placed in the EMS fund.
It was the general consensus that option #1 be used for Western
Gateway Ambulance.
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Recess: 10:30 A.M. - Reconvened: 10:40 A.M. at which
time Deputy Clerk Kenyon replaced Deputy Clerk Kueter *****
Budget Director Zalka stated that the next item is the request o[
the Board of County Commissioners to readdress Fiscal Year 1988 pay
plan recommendations, adding that in order to do this, staff is recom-
mending that $70,000 be appropriated from General Fund reserves to be
allocated for a consultant to help develop and implement a compen-
sation and classification system for Board employees. She noted that in
line with the Board request a salary survey was conducted. She indi-
resulted in an average salary increase proposed for
Fiscal Year 1988 of 6% and the County currently has 4.5% in its ten-
,::;: tative budget. She stated that the cost of addi tional wage increases
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~ff::" would èos"t an additional $340,000 and a 1-1/2% would cost $500,000.
; ~:¡ She noted that if the pay plan is increased, the cost would come out
of the Reserve for Contingency which has $1.9 million in it, She
indicated that there is usually about $2 million budgeted in reserves
and usually about half of that is spent in any given year. She noted
is the first year that attrition has been
which means that the Carry Forward that there is from year
to year will be 2% lower in the upcoming year than it has ever been.
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County Managcr 00rri11 sLaLed that this started in March or April
when consideration was given by the Board to a budget policy and at
that time, the best information available was used to determine and
establish a 4.5* increase for salary adjustments. He noted that it
was also indicated that the raises would be effective October 1, 1987,
as opposed to spreading it across the year for merit as it has been
done during the past several years. He noted that since that time,
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receive 7%, 9% or more in the way of salary adjustments and the School
Board and others are receiving 7% in the way of salary adjustments
which resulted in the Board asking staff to conduct a survey. ,H~
reported ~hat the average survey increase for the agencies that w~re
surveyed shows a 5.9% increase in the way of total salary adjustments
for employees for next year. He indicated that he has a two part
recommendation, adding that based on what salary increases are going
to be a 6% salary consideration is warranted. He noted that he has
had the opportunity tc discuss with all but one constitutional officer
and they are willing to consider amounts higher based on the survey
averages. He noted that the bigger jssue for the County Commission
and its employees IS establishing a more legitimate pay plan and per-
formance system. He stated that the consulting money has been
established by his office to revise the pay system to go from a split
system to a payment Lor performance system, adding that this is
something that Sarasota County uscs. He notcd that employees are paid
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»~based on performance only and there is no cost or living increase
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1\;~;~:io% in the way of an annual salary adjusLment based on that individual
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'I'· adding that the reason that he wants to include his staff is so that
,~'( they upda te thi 5 plan annua 11 y and 'ev i so the med t ova lua tion f o'ms
ih~:, and procedures. He noted that there has been expressed interest from
!~~:". two constitutional officers to participate in that exercise with the
~~>' County. He indicated that his recommendation is to allow him to pur-
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:~¿~,~':'thrOUgh ~he course of next year and be effcctive October 1, 1988 and
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Commissioner Hasse stated that if an employee does not get any
type of a cost of Jiving raise, it would seem that the poorer per-
forming employee would have no incentive at all.
County Manager Dorrill slated that his overriding concern is that
the best employees are currently not being motivated or encouraged
based on their own performance when money is being robbed from the
merit system to meet general wage or cost of living increases on an
annual basis. He stated that the extent of which people would get no
increase is rather limited.
Commissioner PisLor s'.ated that in industry, what Mr. Dorrill is
suggesting is being done. He noted that if this type of performance
pla~ was put into effect, the people would have the incentive to do
their best. He indicated that the idea of a general cost of living
increase is something that would have to be considered on an every
other year basis at times because if the cost of living increased
excessively, something would have to be done about it, 3dding that
this could be done as an additional consideration of the p0rformance
plan. He indicated that he feels that the overall output would
increase and would make the whole operation more efficient.
In answer to Commissioner Hasse, County Manager Dorrill stated
that there is no merit increase proposed for this year because the
amount of money that was established last April by the Board was not
enough to give both general wage adjustments and merit increases.
stated that he would like to have an opportunity to talk with the
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~onstitutional Officers because his recommendAtion 15 based on all
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types of programs and with existing staff, develop this program.
indicated that he agrees with the 6% option, but he would like to see
staff handle the program as opposed to spending the $70,000.
County Manager Dorrill stated that this $70,000 is an important
item and has interested several of the constitutional officers, adding
that he would like to have the ability to bring the Board a proposal
that would indicate a cost sharing plan for all those constitutional
officers that would like to participate.
In answer to Commissioner Glass, County Manager Dorrill stated
that as a result of the combined merit and cost of living, there is a
recommended 6% increase and if this was separated out, it would be 4%
for cost ,of living and 2% for merit.
Commissioner Glass stated that he does not believe that some of '
the survey numbers are showing accur3te figures, adding that he does
not believe that l75,000 employees in Manatee County are getting a 6%
increase. He stated that he concurs with Commissioner Saunders and
this study should be done in-house.
Personnel Director Ochs stated that it is not the question of abi-
to do this in-house, adding that historically the compensation
plan has received piece meal revisions and there have been several
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different performance apprais~ls and merit pay scenarios to the point
where the employees and stafr arc confused, lIe noted that the County
will work with the consultant to provide a frame work that will take
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allow the County to remain competitive. fie stated that this will
establish a methodology that employees feel is objective and fair. He
noted that if staff were to do this project, it would be prohibitive
due to the other day-to-day operations as this project involves a lot
of time and research. He noted that this is a compensation plan that
establishes salary ranges as well as performance appraisal, merit pay,
and a job evaluation system that will allow the County in the future
to weigh the relative value of all jobs within the County. He noted
that this has been a problem which has resulted in a number of,
reclassifications and special pay adjustments.
Commissioner Saunders stated that he would like to see if there is
anyone in the community that has had personnel exp~rienGe that might
like to help the County on a volunteer basis. He stated that he would
like to see this investigated first.
Commissioner Goodnight stated that her biggest problem is with the
Sheriff's Department and how inadequate their base salaries are,
adding that if the Constitutional Officers agreed to help out in deve-
loping this system, they could be a part of it. She stated that if
everyone is to get involved In this issue, Rhe feels that an outside
consultant should be used.
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Personnel Director Ochs staled that he feels lhat the $70,000 may
and this would be a not to exceed figure. lie noted,that with
to the cost of turnover in the County, it costs approximately
$2,000 per employee that leaves the County. He stated that the
average turnover is 16~ for the County which relates to about 100
employees per year under the Board. He indicated that within that
cost is advertising, relocation, interview expenses, pre-employment
physicals, orientation, issuing uniforms and equipping personnel,
training, tuition refunds and the down time and lost time that it
takes to fill a position. He noted that if there is an objective,
equitable agreed upon performance appraisal and compensation system in
place, it will go a long way toward accomplishing the goal of not
having such a high turnover rate.
Commissioner Saunders stated that he has no objections to this
goal being accomplished but he feels that there are alternatives to
achieve this goal, adding that he would like to see if there is
someone in the community that can help the County do this so that the
$70,000 does not have to be spent. He noted that he would recommend
that the raise be 6% for this year.
Commissioner Pistor stated that if a firm is hired all the
materials that the firm has already collected is used. He noted that
a local person would have to spend money to make surveys such as the
one that staff has done, adding that a firm that specializes in this
type of work will give the County a lot more [or their money than an
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individ;.¡a1.
Clerk Giles sLaLed that he has discussed the idea of a compen-
sation study with starf and he is in support of it. He stated that he
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a basis for comparison, adding that the only way that it is gOing to
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be established with the employees and the public that the proper basis
was used is to have a firm that has the credibility and the exper-
tise to demonstrate it.
H~ noted that the Human Resources Director is
going to be busy with day-to-day activities and he is not going to
have time to do this project.
He noted that he would be willing to
pay his proportionate share in the study, which would be the propor-
tion of his employees to the total employees studied.
County Manager Dorrill stated that he needs to discuss the matter
with all constitutional officers to see if they would be interested in
noted that there is time to develop this program before next summer.
In ans~ler to Commissioner Hasse, County Manager Dorrill stated
that the 870,000 is a one time effort to revise the pay plan classifi-
cation and performance pay system, adding that this would then need to
be annually updated by the Personnel Department, which is why it is
important to train them. lIe Indicated that Commissioner Saunders'
point is a good one, but there are some areas where the County may
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some sophisticated technical data base or advice, but as a way of
down the cost of this, he will exnlorr using volunteers or
people in the community and the participation of the
Constitutional Officers. He noted that he will remove this item, but
it may come back as he may need a portion of it in the way of data
base and technical advise, even utilizing the assistance of local
citizens.
Commissioner Glass stated that he would support a 5.5% across the
board increase until this whole thing
is straightened out next year.
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~~. the City of Naples is giving an average of 6% and Lee County is giving
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. t· 6-l/2% and if the employees are to be kept and the cost of the turn-
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County Manager Dorrill stated that a one percent increase amounts
to $340,000 for all county funds which includes all County employees,
t., over is to be kept down, then he feels that there should be a 6%
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Commissioner Saunders stated that he would support a 6% increase
for all employees.
Commissioner Glass stated that in view of the comments of
Commissioner Pistor, he would support a 6% increase County-wide.
Budget Director Zalka stated that the final decision is a 6%
across the board and there will be no money for a consultant
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at this time. She noted that this was the last issue that needed to
be addressed, adding that the first few decisions that were made this
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date saved $653,000 and then $141,000 was spent which is a net savings
of $512,000; but the pay plan cost $509,700 so the County ended up
with a net savings of $2,300,
In answer to Commissioner Pistor, Ms. Zalka stated that most of
the $653,000 was saved in the transfer from MSTD to utilities and also
in the Solid Waste fund, She stated that the aggregate budget cuts
since it was first published are $3,034,000 which means chat the
County-wide tax increase will be 12-1/2% and the MSTD tax increase
will be 28%. She indicated that County-wide tax increases over the
past two years have been about 20%.
County Manager Dorrill stated that this is not a bad increase con-
sidering the amount of activity in law enforcement and parks and still
being able to accomplish a $3 million capital improvement reserve.
noted that this is one of the better budgets that there has been in
recent years.
Budget Director Zalka stated that there are no further items, so
it would be appropriate for speakers from the audience to make their
comments.
Mr. Brad Estes, President of Greater Naples Civic Association,
stated that they undertook a taxwatch effort this year and set aside
over one-half of their budget to hire experts to investigate ways
government spending could be reduced. He noted that he has been
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. ~c, adding that their reports were pres~nted Lo Lho Commission in hopes
that the recommendations have been taken seriuusly. lIe noted that
they will continue their work and monitor expenditures of the budget
throughout the year. He indicated that County government is probably
the best that it has been in a long time, but the citizens are not
keeping up with what is being done. He stated that the Board of
Director3 have made a decision to support the one cent sales tax
option and they will help the County when they are ready for
assistance. He noted that they will continue to be active in the cri-
minal justice areas of county operations, adding that the Sheriff runs
one of the finest operations in the State but probably also the most
expensive per capita. He indicated that they will be working with the
Sheriff with regards to levels of service for Collier County. He
noted that they also want to be sure that the $1 million courthouse
complex that has become an $11 million courthouse complex is really
necessary, adding that they hope to assist County government in deter-
mining ways to keep cost on this facility to a minimum while still
constructing a facility that will adequa ttdy serve the needs for many
years. He indicated that he would like to thank everyone for sup-
porting the Taxwatch efforts.
Commissioner Hasse and Commissioner Saunders thanked Mr. Estes fur
.·':B·ij,;¥i",Þ~,~(~he time end effor ts of Texwe teh and the ¡, he Ip ¡ n working w ¡ th the
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Mr. Ed Smith, ~xßcutive Director of Collier County Builders and
Contractors Association, slated that he was sorry about the decision
on building permit fees but if it had to be done, lhey would like to
be a part of how the increase is constructed. He indicated that the
increase in County spending that occurs year by year is made possible
due to growth in the tax base over the years. He noted that with
regards to the Solid Waste budget, the proposed rate increase was
adjusted this date. He stated that the budget indicates that there is
a $1.1 million carry forward, adding that also in the proposed reve-
nues, there is $451,000 that is derived from the proposed increase in
solid waste fees. He noted that it was felt that there should be an
increase because the carry forward was only $1.1 million, but in
reality there is 52,056,000 in carry forward which was indicated in a
memo received from the Fiscal Office. He stated that this means that
the carry forward is actually $992,000 more than when th,' budget was
originally prepared and that raises a question as to why any fee
increase is needed. He stated that over the past three or four years,
there has been a succession of fe~ increases and the fund has also had
shock charges against it like resource recovery charges for two years;
Cypress landing craft, and purchase of land for a transfer station
that zoning prohibited the use of for that purpose. He noted that
these expenses should not reoccur and it seems that some prudent mana-
gement of the fund is needed so that it can rebuild itself in order to
have a reserve to purchase land for the landfill. He stated that the
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and Contractors Association has about 758 member firms and
employees supports the proposed one cent local sales tax
option, ðdding that it is necessary and important to thc Hclfarc of
County government. He noted that they will work with the County in
that regard.
Budget Director Zalka stated that the estimated carry forward in
the budget of approximately $1 million is based on thc assumption of
spending about $3 million in capital outlay this year, adding that if
all of that is not spent, the funds still need to be reappropriated
next year to finish those projects. She stated that the plans for
that money for the future have to be taken into consideration.
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Commissioner Pistor stated that there" ·1 De another shock
because the County is now required to pay out ~l.B million for a liner
~~',for the landfill which was not required in the past and that will pro-
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i'l:;i:. porting the Commission.
~,~~: Mrs. Beth Knocke with Project Help stated that she appreciates the
;~~;Positive response to their agency. She stated that the figures to
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~~~~ cleared up, she would hope that a new vote could be made. She noted
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Commissioner Hasse thanked Mr. Smith and his organization for sup-
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that th0 County apprQpriated 520,000; United Way appropriated $15,000;
a corporate backer promised thcm $5,000 for ncxt year; which indicates
a deficit of $20,590. She stated that she was hoping that the County
would be willing to increase the ~ppropriations to them for the origi-
nal $30,000 which she requested two wceks ago.
Commissioner Hassc stated that the Commissior, originally approved
$11,000 and then it went up to $20,000, adding that the Commis3ion has
an obligation to Collier County and he feels that $20,000 is a suf-
ficient amount for Project Help. He indicated that other organiza-
tions are going to be coming forward and asking for n,"ney if the
Commission keeps giving money out to p.ivate organizations.
Mr. T0m Jones, Soil and Water' Conservation District, stated that
he had a request for an added position for a hydrologist in Collier
County. He noted that he thought at the end of the meeting last week
that there was a general consensus that the Division would be benefi-
cial in Collier County but the major obstacle was the funding.
Commissioner Goodnight indicateè that the ^griculture Director
gave an overview of what will be happening in Collier County in the
next 6 months and it wus felt that with their additional staff, the
services that were going to be done by the hydrologist could be
handled by them.
Commissioner Saunders stated that he would like to go back and
discuss Project Help as there was not any dis~ussion by the
Commissioners as to vrhether this funding should be increased from
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to $30,000. He stated that he would like to see the
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the funding from $20,000 to $30,000.
Commissioner Hasse stated that $20,000 is a substantial amount for
Commissioner Goodnight stated that her position is still the same,
adding that this is a worthwhile project and she would support the
$30,000.
Commissioner Glass stated that he could support an additional
$10,000 if there was a stipulation that would indicate that Project
Help had to match these funds.
Commissioner Pis tor stated that since this is the final budget
wrap-up and anyone else looking for money has lost their opportunity
for the year, he would consid~r the $30,000 so that Project Help could
',¡£.\' continue for one more year with the understanding that this may not be
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¡~~;.commissioner Glass stated that he would go along with Commissioner
pistor. and support the $30,000 for this year.
Budget Director Zalka stated that she will increase Project Help's
allocation to $30,000. She indicated that the next budget meeting is
the night public hearing which will be held Wednesday, September 9,
1987.
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There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned by
Order of the Chair - Time: 11:55 A.M.
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