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BCC Minutes 04/06/2004 J (w/Naples City Council)April 6, 2004 TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF JOINT SESSION BETWEEN THE COLLIER COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AND THE NAPLES CITY COUNCIL LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Collier County Board of Commissioners and the Naples City Council met in a joint workshop to discuss issues of mutual concern and cooperation. Having conducted business herein, they met on this date at 9:00 AM in WORKSHOP SESSION at the Collier County Board of County Commissioners Boardroom at 3301 East Tamiami Trail, Naples, FL 334112 with the following members present: COLLIER COUNTY: Donna Fiala, Chair Tom Henning Fred Coyle Frank Halas Jim Coletta CITY COUNCIL: William Macllvaine Penny Taylor Johnny Nocera Clark Russell John Sorrey III Tamela Wiseman ALSO: David Weigel. Mayor Bill Barnett County Manager, Jim Mudd; City Manager, Robert Lee; County Attorney, Page Joint BCC and City of Naples Workshop 9:00 a.m., April 6, 2004 Collier County Board of County Commissioners Boardroom 3301 East Tamiami Trail Naples, FL 34112 Update on Golden Gate Parkway/Airport-Pulling Road Intersection Improvements 2. City of Naples Comprehensive Plan Amendment 3. Annexation Policy 4. Waterside Shops and other Commercial Interests 5, Second Gordon River Bridge Options 6. FEMA FIRM Negotiations April6,2004 Call to Order by Donna Fiala Pledge of Allegiance Agenda 1. Update on Golden Gate Parkway/Airport Pulling Road Intersection Improvements. Mr. Norman Feder, Director of Collier County Transportation provided presentation which included background on the project and indicated that all alternatives had been researched. Base was the long-range transportation plan. Model was understating the volume. Need for overpass 29 projects needed to be addressed 3 years ago. 3 key projects would have the opportunity to respond to the growth: Livingston Road, Immokalee Road, and Overpass. - Significant amount of traffic from the new interchange. - Current restrictions on the east/west movements. Invited questions from council and audience Kimley Horn and Assoc. consultant, Dave Montine - He stated that he is a consultant and has no personal or monetary interest in the project, but has the interest of the general public in mind. He is not suggesting the 8-lane alternative. Best "benefit to cost ratio." Best "bang for buck to meet the needs of 2025. Maximum capacity for 8-lane will not be able to be used to it maximum efficiency. - At grade analysis performed - The 8-lane would still be level service F in 2025. - Every county transportation consultant that has reviewed agrees with this plan. Mr. Sorrey voiced his concern over maintaining the quality of life in Naples. He indicated that transportation is more than simply moving vehicles. What is the best second alternative? Mr. Montine responded and indicated that the second best alternative would still yield a level F road. Mr. Feder clarified that the second best alternative would be the split-intersection with the second Gordon River Bridge. This would need to be constructed now and then hold out as long as you can. In 2025 this would still be a failure and an overpass would still be needed. Mr. McIlvaine prefers a merge lane. He does not feel that Naples will become that much bigger- maybe 10% more. Does not feel there will be a tremendous influx of people. New areas in county are being developed to avoid this. Page 2 April6,2004 Mr. Montine indicates that traffic will continue to increase. The City of Naples might not have the growth, but there will be other areas for "at trip end." Transportation model accounts for growth in other areas of the county. Mr. Feder discussed the importance of"nodes" around the county and agreed with Mr. Mcllvaine regarding having other nodes around the county. Indicated that merge does not work efficiently. It entices people to block the intersection. He indicated that the Airport and Golden Gate intersection is gong to continue to grow. Mr. Coyle questioned where the people are coming from. He can't believe that there will be more jobs in the City of Naples. He feels that development of Ave Mafia will decrease traffic into City. Suggested build-out east and bring services closer to where people live, so they do not need to go into the City. Mr. Feder discussed systems plarming and long-range planning. He says that he was hired three years ago to resolve the fact that we are not planning for our future. Used every resource available to ensure proper answers are being given. Growth and continued demand. 12,000 increased trips. Model takes every road and projects future use with interchange and without. Without the interchange - Pine Ridge has 6,000 more vehicle exiting, Immokalee had 3,000. Livingston North had 6,000 more vehicles. Goodlette Road north of GG Parkway had 2,000 more, Airport North of GG Parkway had 2,200 more, U.S 41 north of GG Parkway had 2,000 more, Davis - 2,000 more, Radio Road- 2,000 more. These are all shifting vehicles from road. In 2025 volumes on Pine Ridge- 9,000 more, Immokalee, 3,000 more, GG- 15,000 more. Davis- 4,500 more, Livingston North- 4,000 more. We are already above the projections. People are still coming for commercial and more residential. Mr. Henning agrees that growth in city will continue to grow and getting the workforce into the commercial establishments will increase as well. Would like to work with the City council to come to an agreement on this. Mr. Nocera concerned about access out of the city. Hurricanes, etc. Does not want to be afraid to bring people into the city. In support of the overpass- smart growth. People are going to continue to come and visit the beaches, shopping, etc. Ms. Fiala asked about the light at Bear's Paw. Will this hinder the goal of smooth traffic? Mr. Feder indicated that the ideal would be to have no access point. However, the signal will remain and it will not be problematic. There will be little green time for side movements. Goal is to build a gateway, not an expressway. Presentation of Schedule ofPro'ects b Gte Strakaluse Trans ortation Page 3 April 6, 2004 GG Parkway- 5.9 million Overpass- 28 million 1-75 interchange- 23 million Goodlete Frank- 14.7 million Mayor Barnett indicated that a decision will be made in the next few weeks. be tied up in lengthy litigation. Does not wish to Speakers John Leach, county resident - Opposed to overpass- does not feel that County has done adequate job- where are the vehicles coming from? - 3-lane feed going through a 4-lane- how will this cause back up? Productivity committee- 4-4 vote- illustrates the need for further research regarding the overpass. Money can be spent in other areas. He requests that this be examined. Bill McCanna, county resident County has provided access to consultant and he appreciates it. He will be meeting with them tomorrow regarding their proposal. If overpass is not built, money can go to second Gordon River Bridge. 2. City of Naples Comprehensive Plan Amendment Mr. Lee and Mr. Mudd will work together on this. There is an agreement coming before the BCC on April 13 to sign an agreement not to oppose the CPA with the City of Naples pending their polling of opposition or acquiescing to the point that due diligence was done on the plans for the overpass. Identical item on the City's agenda for Wednesday, April 14th. 3. Annexation Policy Mr. Lee - Wants to take a proactive rather than reactive approach. Comply with existing state statutes. Agrees with interlocal agreements. Hopes to get together with county and city to develop a Collier County specific annexation policy. Mr. Coletta indicated that he was unsure of the County's role. Mr. Lee- county is an important player as it will affect their resources. Mr. Coletta asked why the study had to be done now? How sincere is the annexation? i.e., Pelican Bay Page 4 April 6, 2004 Mr. Mudd indicated that the senate bill requires that cities and counties sit together and discuss an interlocal agreement. When annexation occurs, the city must decide how utilities, services will be provided. Suggests an annexation policy be agreed on so we can prepare for the future. Mr. Sorrey indicated that voters had expressed concern over the fact that city and county were not working well together on this issue. Suggests developing a proforma for annexation- work together and be proactive. Develop a process for future needs. Mr. Henning said he is looking forward to improved communication between the city and the county. He asked about annexation of certain areas or reviewing certain criteria. Mr. Lee indicated that a review process and criteria are being sought to be developed. Mr. Halas asked about added cost for annexation. Suggests that city and county managers create some guidelines combined with information from the residents and then they can determine if an added cost will be needed. Ms. Fiala agrees that a policy needs to be put into place. She referenced the Ruffina project. Mayor Barnett asked about CRA's and interlocal agreements. Attorney Weigel, Discussed the concept of interlocal agreements- it can be done. Statutes do not address the mixing of CRA' and interlocal agreements. Mr. Lee explained the concept of TIF (Tax increment financing). It is used for redevelopment funding. Ms. Taylor is in support of the annexation policy. She did indicate that the city is not close to formal policy of actively seeking county property. Discussion regarding reclaimed water - City is under the impression that county cannot use that water. - Waiting list for people who would like to use that water for irrigation Water discharged into Naples Bay Jim DeLony, Public Utilities, clarified that reused water is being utilized during the dry season. During the rainy season, customers don't need it. City and county have different methods for excess flows. Paradigm trying to be changed where water can go into storage facility. Ms. Fiala indicated that there was direction for the county and city managers to propose an annexation policy to be returned to the council and board for review. BREAK Mr. Pritt, City Attorney Page 5 April 6, 2004 Requested to clarify some items regarding Golden Gate Overpass and upcoming council meeting. Agreement that is going to council will include: 1.1- City will not object to the construction of the GG overpass as currently presented in design. 1.2- The county will allow the city to review the final design of the GG overpass and provide proposed design modifications. 1.3 - The county will immediately withdraw its petition for an administrative hearing to object to the Dept. of Community Affairs notice of intention to find plan amendment in compliance and to approve amendment DCA-03-1 Ensure compliance with the public hearing If council directs, the city would schedule public hearing on 4/21- with 1 O-day notice. Mr. Coyle does not feel that the council should be forced to approve amendment. Mr. Coletta indicated that it was not so much approval as approval to no objection. Ms. Taylor agreed with Mr. Coyle. Mr. Russell does not agree with the comp. plan amendment. Mr. Sorrey agreed to a council meeting to proceed. Mr. Feder indicated that this is an issue for the city to address and make up specific language and clarify areas of proposal. Any design issues will be entertained. Ms. Wiseman said if language was to approve, there would not be a majority vote. Discussed legal situation. 4. Waterside Shops and other Commercial Interests Mr. Mudd indicated that petitioner has withdrawn petition. Still in the process of review. Ownership changed. 5. Second Gordon River Bridge Options Mr. Feder- this was evaluated as an alternative to the overpass. Still a good improvement to the overall network. How to move forward? Funding? Total facility revolving trust fund? Tolls, traffic and revenue, etc. ' Mr. Russell suggested that research be done and a decision be made this year whether to move forward or not. Mr. Feder indicated that a study has been done and that there is strong viability network wise. The funding is the concern. Page 6 April6,2004 Mr. Nocera suggested that residents be polled. Mr. McIlvaine feels that need for bridge has diminished. Ms. Taylor indicated that no one would use the toll bridge- based on past information. Mr. Nocera indicated that company in California offered to build the bridge for free and handle the tolls. Mayor Barnett addressed the environmental issues. Many years to get through these concerns. Ms. Fiala suggested to make this part of the long-range plan and continue to address it. 6. FEMA Firm Negotiations Joe Schmidt, Com. Dev. Services Coastal study and rural areas Penny Taylor suggested that an outside public relations firm be hired to disseminate information about FEMA negotiations to the public. Mr. Schmitt has agreed to implement public campaign. PR company will meet with local bankers, insurance companies, etc. to determine the impact on the community. Mr. Coletta discussed the extension of the negotiations with FEMA re: maps. Will now be implemented on July 1, 2005. Mr. Nocera asked if FEMA has admitted to misreading maps. Mr. Schmitt indicated that technical questions arose and that the goal is to save money. Mr. Coyle agreed that Public PR campaign should be put into place. Impact on property values, surveyors needed, etc. Mr. Mcllvaine agrees PR firm is needed. Mr. Schmitt indicated that once the next series of data is gathered that more information will be released to the public. house. Ms. Taylor suggested a task force. Mr. Nocera cautioned about spending money on PR firm and suggested that it could be done in- Mr. Halas said to gather more information and then decide. Page 7 April 6, 2004 Jim Kramer, Public Speaker - Discussed the security and safety of the Naples airport (handout available) There being no further business for the good of the County or City, the meeting was adjourned by order of the County Chair at 11:45 AM. , .., :- ~:o....2- .... '.~ ",. st~~ co~ected Collier County Board of Commissioners Donna Fiala, Chairman , as presented / or as Page 8