BCC Minutes 03/10/1994 W (Golden Gate Townhall Meeting)ORiGiNAL
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
GOLDEN GATE TOWN HALL MEETING
March 10, 1994
7:00 p.m.
Golden Gate Community Center
Naples, Florida 33999
Reported by: Christina J. Reynoldson, RPR
Deputy Official Court Reporter
OFFICIAL COURT REPORTERS
Carrothers Reporting Service, Inc.
20th Judicial Circuit - Collier County
3301 East Tamiami Trail
Naples, Florida 33962
TELE: (813) 732-2700
FAX: (813) 774-6022
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APPEARANCES
DOARD MEMBERS:
Timothy J. Constantine, Chairman
Bettye Matthews, Commissioner
John Norris, Commissioner
Michael J. Volpe, Commissioner
STAFF:
George Archibald - Transportation Director
Dick Clark - Acting Community Development Administrator
Tom Conrecode - OCPM Director
Kenneth Cuyler - County Attorney
Neil Dorrill - County Manager
Bill Margert - Assistant County Manager
Bill Lorenz - Environmental Services Administrator
Michael McNees - Acting Utilities Administrator
Greg Mihalic - Affordable Mousing Director
Tom Olliff - Public Services Director
Marjorie Student - Assistant County Attorney
Carol Beauvais - pg. 10
Nancy Blsbee - pg. 19
Vilma Cirinciohe - pg. 19
Michael Gaglione - pg. 7
Tauni Roster - pg. 22
Don Segreto - pg. 26
A1 Somoza - pg. 15
David Tomlin - pg. 27
ALSO PRESENT:
James Stewart
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PROCEEDINGS
MR. STEWART: Welcome to the Golden Gate Area
Chamber of Commerce Town Hall Meeting with the Board of
County Commissioners. We appreciate everybody coming out
tonight.
We'll start out tonight with an invocation by
former past Chamber of Commerce president Russell Tuff.
Russell, if you'll come to a microphone.
(The invocation was presented, followed by
recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance.)
MR. STEWART: We welcome our Board of County
Commissioners for Collier County, and I'd like to
introduce the Commissioners. I'm sure that all of us
know them a11. First, from the First District,
Commissioner John Norris. From I believe the Second
District, Commissioner Mike Volpe. From the Third
District, our own Tim Constantine. And from the Fifth
District, Ms. Betrye Matthews.
We also have with us County Manager Neil Dotrill
and a number of staff people from the county. We welcome
all of them.
CHAIRMAN CONSTANTINE: Jim, can I make one
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suggestion? We've got a couple of different agendas
floating around. I know APAC expansion is buried down
into both of those agendas and ! wonder if -- ! think a
lot of people are here on that issue. Just a raise of
hands how many on the APAC issue.
Why don't we go ahead and take this one first and
then get back to the others. I think that's the big
issue right now.
MR. STEWART: You're suggesting that with two
agendas we follow neither one of them. I think that's a
very good idea to take APAC first.
The ground rule is Mr. Dorrill has a handful of
speaker cards. If you're interested in speaking, obtain
a speaker card from Mr. Dorrlll. We will give everyone
an opportunity to speak briefly on the points, but we
don't have all the time in the world to discuss this so
we'll probably to try to keep it limited to half an hour
total.
The issue of the APAC expansion is essentially an
effort by the property owner to request the Board of
County Commissioners to extend 25th Avenue and cut
through so that they will have easier access to a second
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quarry pit located at the site of the existing quarry
pit.
And we will ask the Board to briefly discuss their
view on each issue and this particular issue and then
we'll open it up and give the public the opportunity to
speak as well. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN CONSTANTINE: I'll start off. We're a
little bit limited as to what we can say. It's a
quasi-Judicial matter, which means they bring this before
the Board in a few weeks.
My understanding is it's gone before one advisory
board at this point and will go before the Planning
Commission and will eventually come before the Board of
County Commissioners.
Because we're acting in that term,
"quasi-Judicial," we have to be a little bit limited in
what we can say on the specifics. And frankly, I haven't
seen the file as a Board, and I don't think it's come to
any of us yet.
The first I had heard of this was last week. I got
a few phone calls on it from people who were concerned.
And I would suffice it to say I haven't seen the file on
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this. I haven't seen what's suggested. I've been told
by some of the neighbors their concerns that 25th in
particular is going to be turned into some sort of
throughway.
I have to kind of walk a tight rope in talking
about specifics, but I think the Board as a whole is
opposed to any damage to the integrity of any
neighborhood. Not having seen the specifics, I can't
address what they are. I don't think any of us are
interested in damaging what is an existing neighborhood.
The county attorney keeps standing up and looking
nervously as though we're going to cross the line of what
we can and can't say. I don't think any of us have seen
it.
COMMISSIONER MATTHEWS: I have.
CHAIRMAN CONSTANTINE: One of us, I guess, has seen
the file on this. But as I say, the time frame will be
coming and perhaps our staff will enlighten us as to what
that time frame is.
I encourage not only sharing your thoughts tonight,
but when it comes to the Planning Commission, perhaps
someone can tell us when, and also when it comes before
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the Board you have a chance to come out and let your
feelings be known.
And also, if you can't get there because you work,
give us a phone call or drop a letter to us and make sure
all the commissioners know how you feel on this. That's
true with any issue, but this one in particular.
Why don't we go ahead and hear from the public
speakers on this? If I mispronounce anyone's name, I
apologize. I know they always mispronounce mine. So cut
me a little slack there, I guess.
Michael Gaglione. Is that correct?
If you want to -- is there a roving microphone
anywhere? Perhaps this is it.
MR. GAGLIONE: My name is Mike Gaglione.
I've been a resident in this area for 15 years. I
bought land out on Ninth Street in Golden Gate adjacent
to the rock pit. I bought the land seven years ago.
They told me, the realtor told me when I bought that land
they were not going to continue to be mining, earth
mining, or digging for rock out there much longer.
So I saw this, my wife and I saw this, to be a
nice, quiet, peaceful place to be and nice and tranquil,
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no noise, and we figured the mining would stop
eventually. They stopped at night and started at five
o'clock in the morning. Trucks were backing up, and
that's just to start. We've got dynamite blasts that
happen twice a month or three times a month. I don't
know what it is.
I was kind of insulted this Sunday in the Sunday
paper that they said there were no complaints, no one had
complained about the blasting. Well, that's a crock
because I have called the county. They've been out to my
house with seismographs, seismometers and everything
else. I showed them the cracks in my foundation.
And this is -- every resident on my street, they've
all called. People behind me that live right on the
lake, they have cracks and they have damage. They've
called the police, they've called the county and
nothing's happened. They come out and they say, "Okay,
shoot the shot," and it's like half the impact that we
get when you're not there.
So I'm here on behalf of my friends and neighbors
to say I don't think this should happen because we're
going to be stuck in between a cross-fire. Ninth Street
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is located right in the middle of where the old site is
and where the new one is that they're proposing.
I think that if everybody gets together, I think it
should be stopped for the residents that have spent their
hard-earned money and improved their properties instead
of letting people that don't live there vote on this and
ruin our lives and the money that we've spent out there
trying to get our families ahead.
(Applause from the audience.)
MR. GAGLIONE: I've thought about this all week
long. I've never come before the Board of County
Commissioners before. I appreciate you guys actually
having this for us, and I think you'll hear us all.
The wildlife that's out there, the red-cockaded
woodpeckers, the panthers, they're there, believe me. I
don't care if they were out there one day looking.
They're there. The panthers are there. The red-cockaded
woodpeckers are there. There's a fresh water spring out
there. I've done a lot of walking around out there and
there's a lot of wildlife. And I don't think they're
thinking of that at a11.
I have called Green Peace myself and talked to
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them. I'm appalled that this could actually even happen;
that people -- we're so close to the Everglades, and our
eco system has already been damaged to the point that it
might never return to the way it was, the Everglades. So
this is a very important issue as far as I'm concerned.
Most of the people that are here right now are here
for this one issue, not the 1-75 bridge. That's already
built, you know. We want to stop this. Our property
values will go right through the floor.
And there's little children going to zuhool on
their bicycles out there. I look at it as a safety
thing, too. These people don't realize how many children
are out there. These children, they leave their bikes at
the end of my driveway. I mean, there's too many
children out there, and these trucks are going up and
down. They don't care. They do their work, they do
their Job and they go home. They don't have to live
there, we do.
(Applause from the audience.)
CHAIRMAN CONSTANTINE: Is there a Carol Beauvais?
MS. BEAUVAIS: Commissioners and ladies and
gentlemen. First, I'd like to thank you Commissioners
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for stopping the advance on the landfill.
(Applause from the audience.)
MS. BEAUVAIS: Now, let me paint you a word
picture. And place yourselves, Commissioners, in my
shoes for a moment.
Eleven years ago my husband had an offer for a
position here in Naples which he chose to accept and we
left Illinois with the winters of snow and nigh heating
bills. Our young son chose to move with us. At age 15
he had used the money that he had spent or had earned
mowing lawns, shoveling snow and painting a wooden fence
for a horse ranch and he bought a horse.
Naturally when we moved down here he wanted to
bring that horse with him. So we began looking for land
that would accommodate a horse. Now, we didn't go to
Wyndemere or Marco Island or any other area where we
would have to petition to have a zoning change so that
horse would be allowed.
We looked out in Golden Gate Estates, but then we
saw a gravel pit near Golden Gate Boulevard. Well, we
didn't want to live by a gravel pit so we chose to build,
or buy, on 19th Street Sc%~thwest, which is off of 16th,
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which is right where you want to put that gravel pit.
At the time we moved there, eleven years ago, there
were fewer than ten homes on our street. It wasn't
paved. And we put in much love and labor to improve our
property with flowers, palms we grew from seed, pineapple
plants that I can share with you, bananas, et cetera.
Now, eleven years later we have forty-one homes on
our one-mile stretch of street, and it's pavzd. Our palm
trees have matured. Our fruit trees have enough fruit
that we share with our friends and neighbors. Now we're
informed by a neighbor that a company wants to put a
gravel pit practically in our back yard.
We don't want the unsightliness, the blasting, the
dust or the traffic of large dump trucks traveling on
16th Avenue, which is a narrow road without a road base
to support this kind of traffic. And there are very
young and a lot of children standing on street corners
waiting for their school buses.
This property is zoned Estates Residential. It is
not a place for a gravel pit, nor any business of that
type. You know, you've run a woman out of her business
on 39th Street who was only growing plants. You're
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trying to run Terry's Nursery out of business, and
they're not obnoxious.
A few years ago we had a tomato farm on 17th Street
Southwest whose irrigation pumps ran day and night. That
was disgusting. It was disturbing, annoying, and
continuous. But it was only a small fraction of the
noise we'd be subjected to if a gravel pit i~ allowed.
I believe I speak for a lot of you here tonight
when I say we don't want our homes jeopardized or our
peace of mind and tranquility and environment infringed
upon.
Please, let's have a show of hands from you
Commissioners -- you can't say anything, but raise your
hand if you would like a zoning change that would put a
gravel pit in your back yard.
(Applause from the audience.)
MS. BEAUVAIS: I don't see any hands.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Mrs. Beauvais, I just want
you to know that it's not my idea to put that gravel pit
out there. You characterized it as that. I've not been
presented this information until just now.
MS. BEAUVAIS: Sir, it was in the newspaper. I
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read it in the newspaper.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
idea.
have the article right here.
I'm not -- this is not my
MS. BEAUVAIS: I'm not saying it is, sir.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Yes, you did.
MS. BEAUVAIS: No, I didn't. All I'm saying is
when it comes time to vote, please remember that we
purchased that land --
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: That's different. But you
said you didn't want me to put that in there. This is
not my proposal. I just now received it. I haven't seen
it.
MS. BEAUVAIS: I won't argue with you, and I
apologize if I inferred it was your idea. I just am
suggesting that when it comes to a vote, you remember all
the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people who live
out there. We don't want it in our back yard, Just as I
don't believe you would want it in yours.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: That's fine. That's fine.
If you characterize it that way, that's fine. I agree.
CHAIRMAN CONSTANTINE: Next speaker I believe is A1
Somoza.
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MR. SOMOZA: My name is A1 $omoza.
I want to thank you for the opportunity to let us
speak before you and our friends and neighbors. I moved
to Naples about three and a half years ago. My wife and
I came down from Gainesville to build a nursery.
We particularly looked for this area for the
quality of life for our children and a place that we
could grow plants in a clean environment because there
were very few areas left that you could do both in south
Florida other than Homestead where the plants could
survive the cold weather that affects them very much.
We looked for agricultural land and we went to the
Golden Gate Estates area because our agent told us that
would be a perfect place for it. We bought 35 acres
there and I went through the county planning board.
The hoops they made me go through to put a nursery
in an already standard agricultural real estate property,
you would not believe. I once had to move a pipe 30 feet
across a road because it was three-tenths of an inch out
of the invert elevation requirement that they asked for.
Three-tenths of an inch, a six-inch pipe.
Here we are arguing over a 500-acre development
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that is going to affect literally hundreds and hundreds
of people. And I respectfully request you folks to take
a serious and hard look -- I'm not against progress.
Progress is what makes us all pay more taxes, but it's
got to be done in a very responsible way.
In our nursery, we have easily put over a million
and a half dollars' worth of investment in it. We have
over 60 employees there. And we expect to grow even
further, but we're doing it very, very carefully because
we have an environment to take care of. We have to think
a little bit about what that mine can do for us.
The blasting that they do at the current mine, even
though it's six and a half miles away from us, I can feel
it in the ground when they blast. Our neighbors two or
three miles down the road can feel it themselves.
Whether it's minor or not I don't know.
I cannot pump one gallon of water out of my well
that is not registered with South Florida Water
Management. I have to give them a report every month of
every single gallon I use. Who is monitoring the size of
the blasts in this pit?
(Applause from the audience.)
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MR. SOMOZA: Is there somebody there? Is somebody
actually monitoring the number of blasts?
Let me give you an idea. I have a permit to blast
rock in an area in which we are intending to make a
little lake on the farm because surface water is a lot
easier to get out of a lake than in a well from recovery
of rain storm and so forth.
We didn't have to go through anything. I mean,
literally the blaster, the guy that came to blast the
rock on our property, told us that he had to go to the
county and get a permit that took five minutes. There
was no checking. He could have used any number of pounds
in there, God forbid.
One of them went up in the air and felt on top of
my roof. I had to replace my roof at $600. Who's going
to monitor this, that's my concern.
Every time they blast the underground, and I do
know a little bit about geology, it will shake. And 45
feet below, little tiny, little gravel pieces are going
to come up in my wells and clog the orifices of over 600
irrigation heads that I have. That will take literally
thousands of dollars to clear it every time these folks
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are going to blast it.
These are legitimate concerns that I have, not to
mention the dust on the leaves of our plants; not to
mention the Oust on the roof of our builOtngs that we 9ut
up there for sun to be filtered in at a certain degree.
We have 30% shade, 40% shade, 50% shade. All that dust
is going to affect that tremendously.
I don't think it's fair that these folks are coming
into civilization instead of away from civ£1ization.
(Applause from the audience.)
MR. SOMOZA: Again, i'm not against progress. If
they have to do something, all we request of you is that
you review this very, very carefully because our
livelihood and the livelihoods of hundreds and hundreds
of people that supported you and still do support you is
going to be severely affected by this.
Thank you very much.
(Applause from the audience.)
CHAIRMAN CONSTANTINE: I have two more names here
and it references letter items on the agenda. I think
it's this one, but like I said, we're working off two
agendas.
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Nancy Bisbee, did you want to speak on this?
MS. BISBEE: Our roads and bridges today will not
carry these extra trucks. The bridge on White Boulevard
between 25th and 23rd is in bad shape right now. They're
blasting on wells as well as our homes.
Several years ago the residents and supporters had
quite a time getting the present quarry to use smaller
blasts. I live about five miles away and I would have
cupboard doors shook open and things shook off of my
shelves. This was like ten years ago, so think what it
would be that much closer to us today.
Usually they blast early in the morning and late in
the evening. Like the gentleman ahead of me, I hear it.
I feel it. Inside my home I can still feel it. And
that's all I have to say on that.
(Applause from the audience.)
CHAIRMAN CONSTANTINE: And I think the final
speaker on this is Vilma Cirincione.
MS. CIRINCIONE: I'm Vilma Cirincione. I'm
president of the Golden Gate Estate Area Civic
Association.
It looks like the same old story.
We here again or
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will be in the future fighting the Master Plan. Somehow
they always keep trying to make changes in our area, an
area that's not supposed to have businesses.
Now they are trying to bring a business there
because they do not own the land. They're trying to buy
it and they're looking for a zoning variance. And it's
in the Estates. It's not in the unincorporated out of
the Estates like the present one they have that's off
Fifth Street. That's not in the Estates. So they're
trying to invade the Estates.
And the trucks are a problem. They will almost run
you over or will broadside you. And I did try to find
out how many tickets they do give these truck drivers,
but I was not able to get that information, because I do
see the police stop them.
And, everybody keeps saying we're agricultural, but
a rock pit is not agricultural.
(Applause from the audience.)
MS. CIRINCIONE: Right now it's only one block from
the boulevard to the rock pit. But if you look at the
map, you are talking now about White Boulevard, but then
from there they have to run south and then east. So it's
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several blocks. It's not like at this present time where
they were there probably before we were because I've
heard from old-timers that when they blast the water in
the well would come up brown, people that lived on Wilson
and all those places close to it.
And if you want to see the traffic of the trucks,
because I did see that article that said that someone in
the county said they don't get complaints, well, I tell
you what, go out on the boulevard between 9:00 and 10:00
in the morning when they're coming back for their second
load of sand or rocks, whatever they're going to get, and
between 3:00 and 4:00, because we're retired and I
usually run the odd hours, and you'll see these trucks
one after the other. Last week there were like three and
four, one after the other.
I do know from experience that a rock pit is a
problem because where I lived before there was one there
before they developed the area, which was east of us, and
we had problems with homes cracking and all those
different things, and shaking.
But fortunately the trucks do not come through
Andover where I was living, they went through 199th
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Street there in North Dade. So we did not get the truck
traffic, but we did get all the explosion problems.
So like I said, they don't own the land and they
they're trying to buy it and get a variance. So
actually, they don't belong there as far as we're
concerned. And the members of the association are
against it.
Thank you.
(Applause from the audience.)
CHAIRMAN CONSTANTINE: There is one more speaker,
Tauni Roster.
MS. ROSTER:
Hi. Thank you for coming out here
instead of us having to go into town like the last time.
I don't have a speech, but I was appalled when I
found out about APAC wanting to do what they want to do.
There's a lot of people here tonight as there was at our
last little battle or confrontation.
The thing I wanted to say was that the Estates land
is zoned Residential Agricultural. You can't change the
rules. You can't bring industrial or commercial private
business into an area like that other gentleman was
talking about where we have our homes. We do care about
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our community. Whatever happens in our community, we are
going to fight it. We are against this.
Thank you.
(Applause from the audience.)
CHAIRMAN CONSTANTINE: We'll wrap this one item up
in a minute. I did want to mention the manager just gave
me some projected dates. We don't have an exact date
yet, but it will go before the Planning Commission in
April and it's likely to come before the Board of County
Commissioners sometime in May.
So if you do have -- I know a number of people have
comments about the number of complaints that have or
haven't been made to the county. So if you have
complaints, probably this is a good time to make them
with the county. And then Just keep your eye on the
newspaper for when this comes before both the Planning
commission and the Board of County Commissioners.
I think Commissioner Volpe wanted to add something.
COMMISSIONER VOLPE: As the Chairman mentioned,
we're somewhat limited in terms of what it is that we can
discuss this evening. And for most of us, this is the
first opportunity that we've had a chance to hear any of
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the particulars about this particular application.
I Just wanted to share with you a couple thoughts
generally. The first instance, as I look around the
room, there are a lot of familiar faces. This is where I
began my proverbial political career. As you know, I
served four years as a member of the Golden Gate Fire
Control & Rescue District. So I recognize a lot of you
and I know how important these types of issues are to all
of you and to all the residents of Collier County.
A couple of things. I think what we're talking
about is conditional use; is that correct?
MR. DORRILL: Yes.
COMMISSIONER VOLPE: It's conditional use. Number
one, as a conditional use there are a number of
considerations of how someone can obtain a conditional
use. For example, the various uses along Golden Gate
Parkway are conditional uses. Some of =hose churches are
conditional uses. It requires four votes, a super
majority, in order to get a conditional use.
I think what they're talking about here, and I'm
getting most of it in this discussion, is we're talking
about a commercial excavation permit to allow for
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excavation to o~ur, commercXal excavation.
When these issues have come up before the Board,
and I've sat on the Board for six years, part of the
consideration is how many of these commercial excavation
pits do we have throughout Collier County, and where are
those excavations being used and for what purpose. Are
they b~ing used for our transportation network or are
they being used to perhaps assist some sister counties
and so on.
I Just wanted to mention that in terms of some of
the considerations, four votes, a super ~aJority, is
going to be required. Commercial excavation is what I
believe the application is. There are a number of
considerations, not the least of which the extent to
which these types of operations benefit a particular area
of our community.
So just by way of background for those of you that
are unfamiliar or not as familiar as some of us are with
Just the processes, as the Chairman pointed out, the
process will require certain advertised hearings first
before the CCPC, the Collier County Planning Commission,
and then before your Board of County Commissioners.
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And you've got plenty of time to get all of the
facts, and we'll have plenty of time to have the
opportunity to discuss some of the issues with you.
CHAIRMAN CONSTANTINE: Mr. Segreto, you have a slip
here in front of me. I didn't realize it was this item
you wanted to speak on.
MR. SEGRETO: My name is Mr. Segreto.
It appears I've been arguing numerous years, for 16
years, to try to save the Estates. The county seems to
feel that they can walk into the Estates any time they
want and put what they call a conditional use or a
provisional use.
This is highly restricted land. I was in front of
the DCA, and the DCA has to give them approval before you
can go anywhere near that land. Not only does the DCA
have to give them this approval, but also the Army Corps
of Engineers.
Why are these people down here upsetting all these
people when first they have to find out do they have a
legal right to even enter into that area? That area is
area of state critical concern, which means you cannot
touch it without these people telling you yes or no.
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The Commissioners don't have the authority to give
this company the right. They have to first go to the
Army Corps of Engineers and first to the DCA. Why are we
upsetting all these people when we know darn well that
the law clearly says that land is in perpetude (sic) and
cannot be used?
(Applause from the audience.)
MR. SEGRETO= It's sickening.
CHAIRMAN CONSTANTINE: Why don't we go ahead -- if
there's anyone else that wants to speak to that, you can
raise your hand at this time and you're welcome to;
otherwise, we'll move on to -- okay, a gentleman in the
back.
When you start to speak, we'll need your name just
for the record.
MR. TOMLIN: Thanks. I'm David Tomlin. I live on
21st Street Southwest.
I moved out there in 1983.
my house or the zoning department many times because I
could hear the dredges going out there at the existing
rock pit. And I've been waiting for years for them to
dig that thing out so all the noise would stop.
And I had the police at
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I can't imagine that they would want to continue
and move that thing closer to residential areas now
because like my windows in my bedroom facing the east, I
can't in the wintertime -- now I sleep with the windows
open and you hear drag lines going at three o'clock in
the morning.
That's all I've got to say about it. I don't think
it's something that should happen out there.
(Applause from the audience.)
CHAIRMAN CONSTANTINE= Just one final reminder that
in April the Collier County Planning Co~ission will hear
this item and most likely in May it'll come to us. So
keep your eyes open and as it comes before the Board be
sure and turn out as much as you can.
MR. TOMLIN: Right there,
like all morning long.
CHAIRMAN CONSTANTINE:
that's what it sounds
Let's go to the next issue.
(An emergency recess was taken from 7:45 p.m. until
8:15 p.m. and the meeting was adjourned to be
continued at a later date.)
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STATE OF 1%ORIDA )
COUNTY OF COLLIER )
I, Christina J. Reynoldson, RPR and Deputy
Official Court Reporter, do hereby certify that the foregoing
proceedings were taken before me at the date and place as
stated in the caption hereto on Page I hereof; that the
foregoing computer-assisted transcription, consisting of pages
numbered 3 through 28, inclusive, is a true record of my
Stenograph notes taken at said proceedings.
Dated this 18th day of March, 1993.
STATE OF FLORIDA
COUNTY OF COLLIER
20th Jud~6ial Circuit
The_fo~egoing certificate was acknowledged before me this
day of March, 1994, by Christina J. Reynoldson,
who is personally known to me.
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