BCC Minutes 12/09/1993 J (w/Naples City Council) Naples, Florida, December 9, 1993
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County Commissioners in
and for the County of Collier, and also acting as the Board of Zoning
Appeals and as the governing board(s) of such special districts as
have been created according to law and having conducted business
herein, met on this date at 9:00 A.M. in JOINT SPECIAL SESSION in
Building "F" of the Government Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the
following members present:
CHAIRMAN:
VICE-CHAIRMAN:
CITY OF NAPLES:
MAYOR:
VICE MAYOR:
Burr L. Saundsrs
Timothy J. Constantine
John C. Norris
Michael J. Volpe
Bettye $. Matthews
Paul W. Muenzer
Fred L. Sullivan
Kim Anderson
R. Joseph Herms
Alan R. Korest
Ronald M. Pennington
Peter H. Van Aredale
ALSO PRESENT: Sue Barbiretti, Recording Secretary; Ellis
Hoffman, Deputy Clerk; Nell Dorrill, County Manager; William Hargett,
Assistant County Manager; Ken Cuyler, County Attorney; George
Archibald, Transportation Services Administrator; Dick Clark, Acting
Community Development Services Administrator; Tom Olliff, Public
Services Administrator; Bill Lorenz, Environmental Services
Administrator; Greg Mihaltc, Affordable Housing Director; Mike
McNees. Budget Director; Jeff Perry, Chief Transportation Planner; Tom
011tff, Public Services Administrator; Harry Huber, Office of Capital
Projects Management Technical Services Support; Diane Holltng,
Planner; Dr. Richard Woodruff, City Manager; and Maria Chlaro, City
Attorney.
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(ese!
Legal notice h&v/ng been pub/Lobed In the X&plme Pail7 News on
D~ce~ber S, 1093, u evidenced by Affidavit of Publication f~lmd with
the Clerk, a public meeting wam held to conduct the bumlnsem of
Collier County and the City of N&plee.
Commissioner Saundere suggested that Item 4E which t8 an added
Item regarding the Beach Renourtehment Update be heard first.
Item #41
BI&CHIql3~OURISKI4Z~T UPDATE
Dr. Michael Stephen, Executive Vice President of Coastal
Engineering, explained that the project ts six months into the preli-
minary design project with a majority of field surveys completed and
la moving Into the formal design process.
In response to Commissioner Volpe, Dr. Stephen replied that the
permits are not currently being pursued until formal plans are ready
to be submitted.
Council Member Van Arsdale asked what time frame ia proposed for
this project?
Dr. Stephen stated that preliminary design plans will be submitted
to the Beach Committee and the Board of County Commissioners in March
1994, that the Board could adopt the plane and submit permits by May
1994, leaving a 12 month time frame to obtain environmental permits,
bid the Job over the summer of 1995, and begin construction In
November 1995. He reported that the project would take approximately
four seasons to complete.
U.S. 41 BRIDGI MORE AND ~ GORDON RIVER BRXDGZ - STATUS REPORT
Transportation Services Administrator Archibald reported that the
statue of the 8-1aning project of U.S. 41 remains the same tn the
State'm five year work program which Aa to begin In 1996 and be
completed in 1997.
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Mr. Archibald stated that the U.S. 41 project may be delayed to
provide a window of opportunity for the construction of a second
Gordon River Bridge.
Transportation Services Administrator Archibald noted that Staff
identified Issues for public consideration and Board con-
aideration; whether Staff should continue the design of this project
in-house and whether Staff should proceed with a PD&E contract and
cost.
Jeff Perry, coordinator for the Metropolitan Planning
Organization, explained that the creation of an Expressway Authority
has been recommended by the MPO. Re Indicated that moat of the issues
surrounding the creation of an Expressway Authority can be resolved by
resolution.
Mr. Perry announced that the Expressway Authority be created with
five County Commissioners, two City Councilman and two gubernatorial
appointments. He mentioned a concern regarding dual office holding
issue which may be resolved with an Attorney General's opinion.
Mr. Perry revealed that the need for the Authority was expressed
in terms of a toll facility.
Mr. Perry confirmed that the route of choice for a second per-
manent bridge would be a northern crossing, north of the Airport due
to aviation issues and environmental issues.
Mr. Perry disclosed that a temporary bridge could be constructed
along the southern alignment and would provide the greatest benefit to
U. S. 41. He revealed that there are companies that provide prefabri-
cated bridges that can be leased. He noted that the advantage of thls
concept Is that this could be accomplished In the three year time
frame.
Council Member Penntngton expressed his concern on what impact the
additional bridge will have on the City and their re-development
efforts. He proposed that U. S. 41 be relocated to Goodlette Road and
that the existing Gordon RAver Bridge not be widened.
In response to Commissioner Volpe, Mr. Penntngton replied that a
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second bridge be built, but the existing bridge remain as it is.
Mr. Pennington remarked that if the State does not widen the
existing bridge, funding would be available to help in building the
additional bridge.
· Council Member Van Arsdale suggested that the only bridge that
would alleviate some of the traffic congestion over the existing
bridge is a bridge south through Central and North Road.
Mayor Muenzer recalled that the State indicated that major repairs
would have to be done on the existing bridge. He commented that since
repairs were planned the widening ia a natural extension of that work.
Mayor Muenzer pointed out that ~hether repairs are made or
widening occurs the bridge will be shut down for two seasons.
In reference to the temporary bridge proposal, ~a¥or Huenzer
suggested sticker sale~ to avoid the cost of toll gates and extra
lanes.
Council Member Anderson revealed that a number of questions must
be answered in an attempt to draw a consensus on this issue in order
to move forward, such as ~hat type of repairs are necessary, is a
second bridge necessary and where the second bridge should be located.
She suggested that a committee of Council, Commission and Staff be
assigned to work out the details of the plan.
Commissioner Volpe concurred with Council Member Anderson.
Commissioner Saunders directed Staff to check ~lth the Florida
Department of Transportation regarding the re-allocation of funds for
the Justification of repairs versus replacement of the bridge.
Commissioner Saunders remarked to the other members of the Board
of County Commissioners that he liked the Idea of re-routing U. S. 41
onto Goodlette Road, but that does not eliminate the need to 8 lane
the bridges or develop a second crossing over the Gordon River.
Commissioner Norris stated that the idea of a temporary bridge Is
good, but questioned the cost against the benefit for two years.
Commissioner Constantine agreed that the temporary bridge ia a
logical solution.
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Co~uaiesioner Volpe agreed with the other Board members but
expressed opposition to a toll facility.
Commissioner Norris announced that he has no objection to the re-
routing of U. S. 41 but feels that this issue should be driven by the
City.
Commissioner Constantine and Commissioner Saunders concurred.
Commissioner Saunders stated that he ts not in favor of
establishing another committee.
Commissioner Saunders reported that the Board of County
Commissioners expressed interest in the temporary crossing, exploring
where the second crossing should be and the relocation of U. S. 41.
He related that the Board of County Commissioners does not support the
S-lanlng procedure.
Mayor Muenzer remarked that he and Council Member Anderson are in
favor of the temporary bridge.
Council Member Sullivan agreed that the temporary bridge proposal
provides the alternative traffic path during the reconstruction of the
existing bridge. He requested a report on the cost and penalties.
Council Member Pennlngton remarked that the cost factors must be
addressed.
Council Member Herms revealed that he is not supportive of tolls
because they will restrict the number of cars that utilize the route
provided. He suggested re-programing funds in the State's 5 year work
program that are budgeted for roads that are not at the level of con-
currency as a way to avoid tolls.
Council Member Korest remarked that the temporary bridge proposal
must be looked at. He expressed concern regarding the work involved
to provide the approaches being equal to that of a permanent crossing.
Mr. Koreet stated that he would prefer not to use the toll mechanism.
Council Member Van Arsdale revealed his belief that a temporary
bridge will require the same amount of work as a permanent bridge. He
stated that he does not want the FDOT to widen the bridge to 8 lanes,
it should be left at 6 lanes. He remarked that the only way to ells-
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vlate traffic on the existing bridge ts a southern crossing and
suggests that a southern and northern crossing be built.
Council Member Anderson suggested that all members of the Board
and City Council submit their questions to the MPO by December 17,
1993, and that the MPO respond to the questions within 90 days and
adopt a finite plan within 120 days.
Council Member Korest remarked that the ultimate issue that should
be discussed today ts the funding for the PD&E Study.
Mr. Archibald confirmed that the start of the PD&E Study is
planned to begin in the second quarter of 1994 and completed In the
third quarter of 1994.
Transportation Services Administrator Archibald requested direc-
tion to determine two different scopes of service of the PD&E and
return with what the consultants contract will look like in terms of
cost, which Is anticipated to be approximately $250,000.00 to
8350,000.00. He indicated that he will propose to both the Board of
County Conuatsstoners and City Council to fund that study if there is
no funding available through the FDOT.
Commissioner Saunders announced that it ts the consensus of the
Board of County Commissioners and the City Council to recognize the
need for a second Gordon River crossing, which ts authorization for
Staff to develop a program to accomplish that, Including the scope of
work for the PD&E study and bring it back for approval with funding
alternatives.
Commissioner Saunders reported that it is also the consensus to
explore the temporary crossing, the cost of repairing the bridge as
opposed to the 8-1aning and the re-routing of U. S. 41 to Goodlette
Road.
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AFFORDABL~ EOU$ING - INTERLOCAL AGREEHENT; DISCUSSION
REPIt~NTATI~$ ~ROH THE DEPARTMENT OF COI~U~ITY AFFAIR~ ON
A~FORDABLE HOUSING AND THE COHPREHENSIVE PLAN; CITY/COUNTY
COOPERATIVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AGRE~NT
Commissioner Constantine expressed his appreciation to Mayor
Muenzer, Dr. Woodruff and Council Member Sullivan for their help on
December 9, 1993
the ~ssus of Affordable Housing.
Paul Knowles, Department of Community Affairs (DCA), distributed
copies of a letter which wa8 sent to DCA by Mr. Woodruff, City
Manager, and offered to answer the questions posed in the letter.
Mr. Knowlee reported that Chapter Z63, Growth Management/Land
Development Regulation Act, requires that within each local govern-
ments' comprehensive plan adequate sites for future housing be pro-
vtded including low income and moderate income families and the recent
amendment of the Act provides for families with very low income. He
noted that the number of housing units Is determined by local ]uris-
diction.
ese Commissioner htthe~a arrived at this time
In response to a question, Mr. Knowleo stated that existing struc-
tures should not be counted twice if they are already in the inven-
tory, however, turnover of existing structures is a factor when
projecting future housing needs.
Commissioner Saunders announced that both the City and County are
desirous of establishing an Interlace! Agreement. He asked if both
can unite In their efforts?
Mr. Knowles confirmed that a united effort is encouraged. He spe-
cified that because each Jurisdiction ia responsible for its own
comprehensive plan the number could have two parts in the objective
that ~s set within the housing element.
In response to Commissioner Saunders, Mr. Knowles replied that the
¢~tyto requirement can be met by sharing in units built in the unin-
corporated area of the County.
In answer to Connioo~oner Saunders, Mr, Knowlee responded that if
the objectives are not met it is important to understand why and
review the policies to determine if they are effective. He related
that there are no sanctions if the objectives are not met.
Commissioner Yelps asked for clarification on how the HUD guideli-
nes impact the issue of affordable housing.
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Mr. Xnowles reported that DCA does not deal in the Comprehensive
Plan with HUD guidelines, but if that is a condition of receiving
federal funds, the option is to change the rules, meet the conditions
or forego federal funds. He commented that State funds have recently
been made available.
ese Co~xi~cil Member Anderson left the meeting at thio time ese
Conunissioner Norris expressed his concern on how to address the
true demand for affordable housing. Ne suggested establishing a
register for those who are in need.
Mr. Knowleo acknowledged that some communities use a type of
register and that various social agencies could enable you to deter-
mine the demand.
In response to Council Member Herms, Mr. Knowles replied that
there are no regulations that require the waiver of impact fees.
Greg Mlhalic, Affordable Housing Director, presented the
City/County Interlocal Affordable Housing Agreement. He recalled that
the City does have numbers quantifying the amount of affordable
housing they must provide, as the County's Comprehensive Plan requires
that all affordable housing necessary must be provided.
Mr. Mihalic revealed that the DCA is receptive to the City/County
Interlace! Agreement.
Mr. Mihalic stated that the original Interlocal Agreement was
based on a ~wo mile boundary around the ultimate annexation boundaries
of the City of Naples but expressed the desire to expand the boun-
daries to the urban area, with Immokalee Road being the north boundary
and C.R. 951 being the east boundary preceding down as the south boun-
dary.
Mr. Mihalic reported that the Agreement states that the City will
be allocated 13~ of all affordable housing unite produced in the unin-
corporated areas.
Commissioner Constantine indicated that the Agreement is certainly
& step toward the City and County working together but suggested that
there be no boundary lines. He asked if one Joint number could be
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established co~u=unit¥ wide?
Dr. Woodruff replied that one alternate ia to have both the City
and County amend their Comprehensive Plans so that they have an iden-
tical &ffordable housing element and that would remove the restric-
tions already imposed. He remarked that it would appear that DCA
would approve that.
Coaisstoner Saunders announced that the consensus of the Board of
County Commissioners is to approve this agreement but would like to
expand it if that is permissible, and to amend the Comprehensive Plan.
Council Member Van Arsdale remarked that the Interlocal Agreement
is a step in the right direction.
Council Member Korest declared that he would be pleased to have a
combined process. He stated that an identical Comprehensive Plan for
both the City and County would be productive.
Council Member Herms said that the Agreement is a way of dealing
with the adversarial positions relative to the North Road issue. He
co~maented that he agrees with the concept.
Council Member Pennington agreed that it is necessary to have one
plan for the entire County with compatible Comprehensive Plans for
both the City and County. He contended that the primary objective is
to enhance the affordable housing available to people.
Council Member Sullivan expressed his support of the plan and
noted that compromise ts dependent upon the types of considerations
being discussed today.
Co~tmioner Saundere directed Staff to prepare an agreemnt that
reflect· · County wide number and County wide application of projects,
and to ~nd the Comprehensive Plan.
Mayor Nuenzer emphasized the Importance of working together and
using the same County procedure for unite.
see D~J~ty Clerk Hoff~n replaced Recording Secretary Barbtretti
at this tA~e e,~
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co-sPo~o~P OF ~ ~OURT~ OF J~LY PARADE
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Dr. Woodruff explained that the City Council has unanimously
agreed to have a Fourth of July Parade. He noted that because this ts
a community event, he will be asking the Sheriff to contribute man-
power to assist in the conduct of the parade. He requested that the
Board authorize County staff to work together with City staff tn this
regard.
Consensus of the Board was in support of Dr. Woodruff'a request.
Commissioner Saunders asked County Manager Dorrill to cooperate with
the City Manager in this regard.
STOIq~qMATIRUTILITYFKE
Dr. Woodruff recalled at the last Joint Meeting, Council Member
Harms requested Information regarding capital Items funded on a
County-wide capita/ basis. He remarked that this Information has been
provided and voiced appreciation for the assistance from the County
Manager t s office.
Council Member Harms explained that his concerns also relate to
Agenda Item SD (Funding of County C.I.P. Budget). He stated that his
interest is to work together with the County. He remarked that the
majority of the proceeds from the stormwater utility fees and the
C.I.P. are going to various other d~etrtcts within the CounTy and
general government enterprise areas. He Indicated that the City is
adding 28~ of the funding for the stormwater and some of those funds
should be allocated back to the City. He noted that the same concept
~s true for the C.I.P. budget. He suggested that some of those funds
should be returned to the City to fund some of its programs, however,
the allocation over the past three years has been to the other
districts within the community. He ~ndlcated that it ts important
that the City taxpayers receive some type of return on their Invest-
ment.
Council Member Harms suggested that County and City staff work
together to review the Ctty*s funding needs. He related that the
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City provides some large facilities, i.e. the pier and the City's
park systea, that are utilized not only by City residents, but exten-
sively by County residents.
Dr. Woodruff proposed that the City would apply to the County
for inclusion In the budget for funding of specific projects and the
City would Identify projects that would be charged to that amount of
~oney.
Commissioner Saunders remarked that Council Member Harms has
raised some significant legal issues. He cited tf the City is paying
28~ Into a county-wide levy, there may be a question from a legal
standpoint whether it Is legal to charge that unless theru ts some
direct benefit back to the City.
With regard to county-wide ad valorem and how this Is applied to
capital projects, Office of Management and Budget Director McNees
explained that the County now levies 1/2 mill as opposed to I mill.
He pointed out that the County's argument has been that projects bene-
fit residents county-wide. He indicated that he would be happy to
meet with Ctty staff and discuss this issue.
Commissioner Saunders suggested that staff evaluate and report
back to the Board the benefit derived to the City taxpayers from the
t~es that are derived from the City.
County M~ager Dorrtll remarked that there may be a problem with
~he County Coutsslon raising ad valores taxes and giving sase to the
~tty Council.
~e consensus of the Board was a willingness to explore the
C.I.P. ~nd and the Stormwater Utility Fee to ensure there ts a suf-
ficient benefit to the t=payers paying those t~es.
Co~cll Member Van Arsdale suggested that staff from both entitles
be directed to work together and come back with a comprehensive ~
e~lty study and Identify the issues, numbers and facts.
Mayor ~enzer concurred that it ts Important for City and County
staff to work together for co,on acceptance.
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Item dra~
FUND~JS~ OF lq. BPAI~t~ TO TI~ MAPLES FXSHXNO PIER UTXLIZZI~] ~laT
Commissioner Saundere announced that he has received a memorandum
from the County Attorney's office advising that there lea legal
mechanism that would allow tourist development tax dollars to fund
repairs to one fishing pier within the confines of Collier County. He
revealed that this would require an amendment to the TDC Plan which
does not require action by the Tourist Development Council, but merely
4/5's of the majority of the County Commission.
Comniesioner Saundere questioned whether consideration should be
given to using TDC funds for repairs to the pier.
Consensus of the Commission and the Council was that TDC funds be
used for repairs at the Naples fishing pier.
NEHT~ DATE - FEBRUARY 9, 1994
The next meeting date was set for the second Wednesday in
February, and will be held in City Chambers.
There being no further business for the Good of the County, the
meeting was adjourned by Order of the Chair - Time: 11:53 A.M.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS/EX
OFFICIO GOVERNING BOARD(S) OF
SPECIAL DISTRICTS UNDER ITS
CONTROL
ATTEST :'
DWI~.T E. BROCK;.' CI~RK
as pre e
.. or aa corrected
BURT L. SAUNDERS,
CHAIRMAN
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