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Agenda
Development
Services Advisory
Committee
Regular
Meeting
August 3,2011
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE
AGENDA
August 3, 2011
3:00 p.m.
Conference Room 610
NOTICE:
Persons wishing to speak on any Agenda item will receive up to three (3) minutes unless the Chairman adjusts
the time. Speakers are required to fill out a "Speaker Request Form," list the topic they wish to address, and
hand it to the Staff member seated at the table before the meeting begins. Please wait to be recognized by the
Chairman, and speak into a microphone. State your name and affiliation before commenting. During
discussion, Committee Members may direct questions to the speaker.
Please silence cell phones and digital devices. There may not be a break in this meeting. Please leave the room
to conduct any personal business. All parties participating in the public meeting are to observe Roberts Rules
of Order, and wait to be recognized by the Chairman. Please speak one at a time and into the microphone so the
Hearing Reporter can record all statements being made.
I. Call to Order - Chairman
II. Approval of Agenda
III. Approval of Minutes from July 6, 2011 Meeting
IV. Public Speakers
V. Staff Announcements/Updates
A. Public Utilities Division Update - Nathan Beals
B. Fire Review Update - Ed Riley
C. Growth Management Division/Transportation Planning - Jay Ahmad
D. Growth Management Division/Planning & Regulation Update - Jamie French
VI. Old Business
A. None
VII. New Business
A. Short form permitting application new procedures [Brian Jones]
B. Rate study on existing meters [Tom Wides, Public Utilities]
VIII. Committee Member Comments
IX. Adjourn
Next Meetina Dates
September 7, 2011
October 5. 2011
November 2, 2011
December 7. 2011
January 4,2012
February 1, 2012
March 7. 2012
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Fire Plan Review - Time Frame Summary
Jur10-11
Number Number Average #of 1st %of 1st Percentages
of of Time in Reviews Reviews Within Time
Reviews Days Days Approved Approved Frames
Architp-ctural Reviews
Total 521 1902 3.65
1 st Review 333 1480 4.44 210 63% 99/10 Days 11 Day Max
2nd Review 145 330 2.28 94/3 Days
3rd Review 30 66 2.20 90/3 Days
4th Review 12 25 2.08 100/3 Days
5th Review 1 1 1,00 100/3 Days
Total 2-5 Reviews 188 422 2.24 94/3 Days 5 Day Max
Fire Sorinkler Reviews
Total 45 83 1.84
1st Review 22 56 2.55 12 55% 100/10 Days 6 Day Max
2nd Review 13 1S 1.15 100/3 Days
3rd Review 8 9 1.13 10013 Days
4th Review 2 3 1.50 100/3 Days
Total 2.4 Reviews 23 27 1.17 100fJ Days J Day Max
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Total 8 19 2.J8
1 st Review 4 14 3.50 25% 100/10 Days 5 Day Max
2nd Review 4 5 1.25 100/3 Days
Total 2nd Review 4 5 1.25 100f3 Days 2 Day Max
Fuel & LP Gas Reviews
Total 4 10 2.50
1 st Review 2 5 2.50 0 0% 100/10 Days 4 Day Max
2nd Review 1 1 1.00 1003 Days
3rd Review 1 4 4.00 0/3 Days
Total2.J Reviews 2 5 2.50 50/J Days 4 Day Max
Hood & FSUP Reviews
Total 17 47 2.76
1 sl Review 11 34 3.09 6 55% 100f10 Days 7 Day Max
2nd Review 4 10 2.50 100/3 Days
3rd Review 2 3 150 100/3 Days
Total 2.3 Reviews 6 13 217 100/3 Days 3 Day Max
Fire Alarm Reviews
Total 116 383 3.30
1 st Review 78 346 4.44 62 79% 100/10 Days 7 Day Max
2nd Review 36 35 0.97 100/3 Days
3rd Review 2 2 1.00 100/3 Days
Total 2.3 Reviews 38 37 0.97 100f3 Days 3 Day Max
SumIrnIJy
1 st Review 450 1935 4.30 291 65% 99/10 Days
Corrections 261 509 1.95 95f3 Days
O>LeraJLD>taJs 711 2444 3.44
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July 6,2011
MINUTES OF THE COLLIER COUNTY
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MEETING
July 6, 2011 - Naples, Florida
LET IT BE REMEMBERED that the Collier County Development Services
Advisory Committee, having conducted business herein, met on this date at
3 :00 PM in REGULAR SESSION in Conference Room #610, Collier County
Growth Management Division/Planning & Regulation, 2800 N. Horseshoe
Drive, Naples, Florida, with the following Members present:
CHAIRMAN:
Vice Chair:
Excused:
Absent:
William Varian
David Dunnavant
Ray Allain
James Boughton
Clay Brooker
Laura Spurgeon Dejohn
Dalas Disney
Reagan Henry
George Hermanson
David Hurst
Marco Espinar
Blair Foley
Reed Jarvi
Robert Mulhere
Mario Valle
ALSO PRESENT: Jamie French, Director - Operations & Regu]atory Management
J ud y Puig, Operations Analyst - Staff Liaison
Jay Ahmad, P.E., Director - Transportation Engineering
Robert Salvaggio - Fire Code Office
Nathan Beals, Project Manager - Public Utilities
Michael Ossorio, Supervisor - Contractor Licensing
Paul Mattausch, Director - Water Department
Jim Turner, Chief Plumbing and Mechanical Inspector
July 6, 2011
I. Call to Order:
Chairman William Varian called the meeting to order at 3:05 PM and read the
procedures to be observed during the meeting.
II. Approval of Al!enda:
Clay Brooker moved to approve the Agenda as presented. Second by James Boughton.
Carried unanimously, 8 - O.
(George Hermanson arrived at 3:07 Plvf.)
IV. Public Speakers: (Will be heard when Item is discussed)
Melissa Ahern - CBIA
Judy Puig, Staff Liaison, introduced Magaly Bowman who will administer thc
September meeting.
(Dalas Disney arrived at 3:09 PM)
V. Growth Manal!ement Division - Staff Announcements/Updates:
A. Public Utilities Division: Nathan Beals, Project Manager - Public Utilities
. The Interim Administrator and new Operations Manager were introduced.
Ill. Approval of Minutes - June 1, 2011 Meeting:
Dalas Disney moved to approve the Minutes for the June 1, 2011 meeting as submitted.
Second by David Dunnavant. Carried unanimously, 10- O.
VI. Growth Manal!ement Division - Staff Announcements/Updates:
B. Fire Review: Robert Salvaggio for Ed Riley, Fire Code Official- Fire Code Office
. Monthly Activity Report for May was submitted.
o Reviews conducted: 794 (higher than in April)
. The move to the new building has been completed.
Q. What was the impetus for the move to the new building?
A. The Fire Code Office is also in charge of training and needed a new facility and
room to grow. We would go to different Fire Districts and bring in speakers but
were often booted out of the training rooms. Having a training facility was the
main issue to build the new building.
Mr. Salvaggio noted the Fire Code Office makes three trips a day to the County
facility on Horseshoe Drive to retrieve plans to be reviewed.
He stated there had been a delay in the time line due to the learning curve to adapt
from their computer system to CityView but the reviewers have caught up.
C. Transportation Planning Division: Jay Ahmad, P.E., Director -- Transportation
Engineering
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. The Board of County Commissioner resolved the dispute and awarded a
contract for the Davis/Collier Project - construction to begin in September
. A grant application was submitted for bridge construction in the Estates
o Awaiting decision
. A Design/Build project will begin in September on Golden Gate Blvd. for the
bridges east of Wilson
o Design is for 4 lanes but only 2 will be built due to funding issues
D. Planning and Regulation: Jamie French, Director - Operations & Regulatory
Management
. CityView is now online in limited use - still testing and working through issues
. Portal: anticipated to "go live" by September
. Requests for residential remodeling permits are increasing
. Temporary inspectors (contract) - to be utilized on an "as needed" basis
o Bids went out to vendors
o Inspectors will be supervised by Staff
There was a discussion concerning the application process.
. Previously, paperwork was reviewed prior to allowing an individual in the Permit
line.
. Permit cards: not all inspections listed are required for each job
o Refunds will be issued for overpayments.
VII. New Business:
C. Performance Measure Report (requested by William Varian)
Chairman Varian questioned why there was an additional line item on a permit
application item (on "CD Plus") for "perfomlance measure report."
Jamie French stated it was a management tool for tracking purposes to determine if a
specific deadline has been met. It would be difficult to remove it from "CD Plus."
Chairman Varian inquired about the ability to access a permit review and make
minor corrections for residential applications, rather than wait for a letter to be issued.
Mr. French noted, when staffing allows, a Plan Reviewer will be available at the front
counter to review re-submittals and permit applications to approve and process as
submitted. When Portal is online, the letter writing portion of the review process will
be eliminated.
VI. Old Business:
A. Fire Line Requirement Review - Nathan Beals
. Public Utilities has proposed changes to the Standards that will no longer
require line-sized water meters on fire lines and only require Double Detector
Check values on all fire lines unless there is a "high hazard" as defined by the
A WW A (American Water Works Association), i.e., chemical additives that can
cause physical harm to water users if ingested due to a backflow failure.
. The language changes requested in DSAC's motion have been incorporated.
. The proposed changes will be submitted to the Board of County Commissioners
for approval.
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July 6, 2011
Mr. Beal stated while Florida does not have antifreeze problems, but foam additives
could be a concern. The Fire Sprinkler Contractor will determine if a "high hazard"
situation exists on a fire line which will require installation of an RPZ in place ofa
Double Detector. Ifthere is no possibility of mixing, i.e., installing a foam fire
protection system on a non-potable watcr line, an RPZ will not be required.
Paul Mattausch, Director - Water Department, stated "high hazards" include
plating processes, hospitals, and medical facilities that dispose of chemicals where
there is a potential for lines to be cross-connected to the potable water supply.
It was suggested to identify specific uses when RPZs arc necessary and also provide a
better definition than the A WW A, i.e..
"A cross-connection or potential cross-connection involving
any substance that could, if introduced into a potable water
system, cause death, illness, or disease or have a high probability
of causing such effects."
"Any substance" is vague and specific uses should be defined.
Nathan Beals will add more examples, i" e., "such as" language, to the Standards.
David Dunnavant stated the A WW A notes (in M-14) that RPZ backflow prevention
assemblies are recommended "... where there is a high hazard, e.g., risk of chemical
addition..." He continued if there is a possibility of chemicals entering a water
system, A WW A indicates reduced prcssurc is to be used.
A question was asked if the Standards applied only to new construction or also to
renovations and Nathan Beals concurred the Standards applied to both. He noted
systems that were installed with RPZs and meters prior to the June 2010 administrative
"stay" will remain in place and nothing has changed regarding the billing. The next
Rate Study will revicw the current billing policy.
David Dunnavant asked when the next Rate Study would be conducted. He noted
meters were required for only a short period of time and are no longer required but
customers who installed them will still pay the same rates.
It was noted the requirement to install meters has been in place since 1997.
It was suggested unless a meter is specifically warranted, it could be removed or
disabled.
Nathan Beals stated by-pass meters are also read and some have indicated excessive
water use. Customers are charged pursuant the Billing Ordinance. He suggested Tom
Wides could come to the next meeting to explain billing procedures.
David Dunnavant stated there is still an outstanding issue of people being improperly
charged and it should be corrected.
Chairman Varian requested that Mr. Wides attend the next DSAC meeting.
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A question was asked ifleak meters were UIL tested for fire and Nathan Beals
responded affirmatively.
It was noted the changes to the Standards could be problematic for renovation projects
due to the difficulty of modify an existing installation.
Nathan Beals stated ifan existing fire system is upgraded by the addition of chemicals
or any substance that could harm the public, the appropriate backflow prevention
device must be installed. He concludcd Double Detector Check valves do not protect
against high hazards n only RPZs protect against high hazards.
Paul Mattausch cautioned if the use of the building changes - usage of the water
service changes -- such that it changes to a high hazard potential for back flow, then
the installation of an RPZ will be required.
Dalas Disney pointed out his concem for a multi-user facility in which each unit is fed
separately. Utilities requires the facility to have a Master Meter. Due to one unit, even
though it meets zoning and building code requirements, the possibility of modification
will be eliminated because the entire complex would have to be upgraded.
Paul Mattausch stated one possibility would be to install a separate service in for that
particular unit. Cases will be determined on a site by site basis.
Nathan Beals requested a Motion of Support for the changes which he would present
to the Board of County Commissions at their July meeting. If there is no support, the
next meeting will be in September.
Chairman Varian noted questions to be posed to Tom Wides during DSAC's August
meeting will not affect the proposed changes since the subject coneems billing.
Clay Brooker asked if Utilities had obtained the general consensus of the Industry
conceming the changes.
Public Speaker: Melissa Ahern, CBIA
. Confirmed CBIA's support.
David Dunnavant moved to accept and approve the changes to the Standards
proposed by the Utilities Division along with the definition/examples of high hazards
discussed during the DSAC meeting, and to forward the recommendation to the
Board of County Commissioners for review. Additionally, Tom Wides is requested to
appear before DSA C to address the fire meter billing issue. Second by Ray Allain.
Dalas Disney stated he could support the changes only for new construction but not for
renovation. His concem is that permits for renovation jobs will be unnecessarily
rej ected.
Motion carried, 8 - "Yes"/2 - "No." Dalas Disney and James Boughton were
opposed.
VII. New Business:
A. Permit Process for AlC Replacements in Multi-family Buildings - Jim Turner,
Chief Plumbing and Mechanical Inspector
Chairman Varian cited the example of an AlC contractor who obtained a permit for a
scheduled change-out in a townhouse complex. The Contractor was not awarded the
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job. Another Contractor performed the work but did not apply for a permit. He asked
how that situation happened.
Jim Turner stated, under CityView, there are two categories: one or two family, and
commercial. It would automatically be considered as commercial and would be sent to
Fire. We have talked to Fire. A "convenience" permit can be obtained for a single-
unit installation if the NC system is under 2,000 CFM for the unit, even within a
townhouse complex.
Bob Salvaggio stated in a building where therc are multiple return air grills feeding
into one large trunk line, then everything is combined into one system. In townhouses,
everything is an individual system and there would not be an issue.
Dalas Disney: Any NC system installed in a commercial application that is greater
that is 2,000 CFM or greater will require review by Fire Planning.
Bob Salvaggio corrected: all commercial applications are automatically reviewed by
Fire.
Dalas Disney clarified: The 2,000 or under restriction applies to only residential NC
systems.
Chairman Varian asked what was required for a Permit under Fire in addition to a
full set of drawings and what was required for change-outs.
Mr. Salvaggio stated the footprint of the building is necessary which indicates where
the change-out will occur. A check sheet is available for completion by the Contractor
and submission. An inspection may not be necessary if the correct information is
provided. If the information is not provided, a Fire Inspector will be sent to the site
and a fee will be charged.
B. Licensing Timeline to obtain a Permit after issuance of a "Cease & Desist"-
Michael Ossorio, Supervisor - Contractor Licensing
Chairman Varian inquired about the process when an unlicensed contractor is caught
working on ajob site.
Michael Ossorio stated:
. Approximately 40 to 50 "Stop Work" Orders are issued each month between
the City of Naples, Marco Island, and Collier County.
. "C & D": a Qualifier has come in and signs papers stating work was done
without a pernlit
o If it happens four times, the Quali tier must appear before the Licensing
Board
. Cases are not closed out until a Permit is issued
. Code Enforcement Investigators and Contractor Licensing Officers work
together -- they notify each other of potential violations
. If a "Code" case is opened first, it is referred to Contractor Licensing when
applicable
. Licensing is 100% in CityView but also maintains "C-D Plus"
He noted the State of Florida considers the hiring of an unlicensed contractor to be a
Civil matter and did not recall an instance when an individual was prosecuted under
Florida Statutes. Contractor Licensing has turned cases over to the State for
prosecution of unlicensed activity. A fine of up to $5,000 can be levied if found
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guilty of a willful violation. He stated he noticed Owner/Builders who obtain Permits
have become more careful about hiring licensed Contractors, especially since it is known
that job sites will be monitored/checked by Investigators.
Jamie French stated cases against homeowners for hiring unlicensed contractors are
very difficult to prove.
VIII. Committee Member Comments:
. David Dunnavant requested a follow-up on the Health Department issue
concerning septic systems presented at the June meeting.
o Judy Puig stated the topic will be included on a future Agenda as soon as
the State representative is available.
Next Meetin!! Dates: (Meetings will commence at 3:00 PM unless noted below.)
August 3, 2011
September 7, 2011
October 5, 2011
November 2, 2011
December 7, 2011
There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjourned
by order ofthe Chairman at 4:15 PM.
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES
ADVISORY COMMITTEE
William Varian, Chairman
The Minutes were approved by the Board/Committee on ~
"as submitted" [_J OR "as amended" [_l
,2011,
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Office of the Fire Code Official
Summary of Plan Review Activity
June-11
Architectural Reviews
Sprinkler Reviews
Underground Reviews
Fuel & LP Gas Reviews
Hoods & FSUP Reviews
Alarm Reviews
SOP Reviews
Total # of Plans Reviewed
Number of Work Days
Average # of Plans Reviewed per Day
ASAP Reviews per Building Department.
Total # of ASAP Reviews~:
Total ASAP Reviews per Day
-Overtime Reviews are not included in this figure
Scheduled Meetings/Hours:
Classes and Seminars attended by FCC
6/6 Florida Building Commission, Gainesville
6/22/2023 FFM1A Board Meeting & Fire Code
Administrator Workshop, Palm Beach
Total Overtime Hours for the Fire Code Office
.Overtime Hours Reimbursed by Contractors
Ed:
Bob
Jackie:
Ricco:
Maggie:
Participant
Ed Riley
Ed Riley
521
45
8
4
17
116
72
783
22
36
2 Architectural Fast Track
1 Architectural Per County
1 Architectural Demo Walk-In
25 AC Change Outs
5 Low Voltage
7 Tents
41
2
19.5 Hrs.
22.00 Hrs.
2.67 Hrs.
48.16 Hrs.
1.92 Hrs.
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In addition to the above-mentioned tasks. The Fire Code Official's Office fields
numerous phone calls, walk-ins. field inspections and impromptu meetings.
Office 01 the Fire Code Official
2700 N, Horseshoe Dr.
Naples, FL 34104