CBMDG Agenda 03/15/2011
CLAM BAY
MARKER
DISCUSSION
GROUP
MEETING
AGENDA
MARCH 15,2011
MEETING AGENDA
CLAM BAY MARKER DISCUSSION GROUP
TUESDAY, MARCH 15,2011- 2:00 P.M. TILL 4:00 P.M.
HUMAN RESOURCE TRAINING ROOM #208
3309 TAMIAMI TRAIL EAST, NAPLES
I. Call to Order
II. Pledge of Allegiance
III. Changes and Approval Agenda
IV. Approval of Minutes
1. February 17,2011 Minutes
V. Marker Discussion through Stakeholder Representatives
VI. Public Comments
VII. Announcements with Follow-up
VIII. Next Meeting Date/Location
TBD
IX. Adjournment
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All interested partied are invited to attend, and to register to speak and to submit their objections, if any, in writing, to the board prior
to the meeting if applicable.
For more information, please contact Gail D. Hambright at (239) 252-2966.
If you are a person with a disability who needs any accommodation in order to participate in this proceeding, you are entitled, at no
cost to you, to the provision of certain assistance. Please contact the Collier County Facilities Management Department located at
3301 East Tamiami Trail, Naples, FL 34112, (239) 252-8380.
Public comments will be limited to 3 minutes unless the Chairman grants permission for additional time.
Collier County Ordinance No. 99-22 requires that all lobbyists shall, before engaging in any lobbying activities (including, but not
limited to, addressing the Board of County Commissioners) before the Board of County Commissioners and its advisory boards,
register with the Clerk to the Board at the Board Minutes and Records Department.
Collier County Government
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March 1, 2011
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
NOTE TIME CHANGE
NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETING
CLAM BAY MARKER DISCUSSION
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
TUESDAY MARCH 15,2011
2:00 P.M.
Notice is hereby given that a public meeting will be held to review and discuss Clam Bay Markers on
Tuesday, March 15th, at 2:00 p.m. in the Human Resource Training Room 208, Collier County Government
Center, 3309 Tamiami Trail East, Naples.
Two or more members of the City of Naples City Council, City of Marco Island City Council, Tourist
Development Council and the Pelican Bay Services Division may be present and may participate at the
meeting. The subject matter of this meeting may be a future item for discussion and action at these Board
meetings.
In regard to the public meeting:
All interested parties are invited to attend, and to register to speak and to submit their objections, if any, in
writing, to the board/committee prior to the meeting if applicable. All registered public speakers will be
limited to three minutes unless permission for additional time is granted by the chairman.
Collier County Ordinance No. 2004-05 requires that all lobbyists shall, before engaging in any lobbying
activities (including, but not limited to, addressing the Board of County Commissioners, an advisory board
or quasi-judicial board), register with the Clerk to the Board at the Board Minutes and Records Department.
If you are a person with a disability who needs any accommodation in order to participate in this proceeding,
you are entitled, at no cost to you, to the provision of certain assistance. Please contact the Collier County
Facilities Management Department, located at 3335 Tamiami Trail East, Suite 101, Naples, FL 34112-5356,
(239) 252-8380, at least two days prior to the meeting. Assisted listening devices for the hearing impaired
are available in the Board of County Commissioners Office.
For more information, call Gail Hambright at (239) 252-2966.
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Patricia L. Morgan
From:
Sent:
Subject:
Attachments:
HambrightGail [Gail Ham bright@colliergov.net]
Monday, February 28,2011 5:08 PM
Clam Bay Discussion Group material
3-15-11 Backup Agenda. pdt; 2-17-11 Clam Bay Minutes. pdt
All,
Attached is the backup material for the Clam Bay Marker Discussion group meeting scheduled for3/15/11
from 1 to 4.
This is a summary of recent conversations with FWC further clarifying questions raised at the 2/17/2011 group
meeting. This will also be placed on our website for public review but please send it to members of the
community who have an interest in this topic.
I have also attached the Minutes to our last meeting. As most of you are aware verbatim minutes are not
provided for committees as they are quite expensive. However, if you would like to obtain the audio tape you
can do so by contacting the Minutes and Records Department at 252-8406 for $5 as they are the custodians of
these audio tapes.
See you on the 15'h.
Thanks,
Gail D. Hambright, Accountant
Coastal Zone Management
Collier County Government
3299 Tamiami Trail East, Suite 103
Naples, Florida 34112
Phone: (239) 252-2966
Fax: (239) 252-2950
Stream Fax (239) 252-6502
Gail D. Hambright, Accountant
Coastal Zone Management
Collier County Government
3299 Tamiami Trail East, Suite 103
Naples, Florida 34112
Phone: (239) 252-2966
Fax: (239) 252-2950
Discussion with Ryan Moreau on 2/23/2011 based on questions from the Clam Bay marker workshop
held on 2/17/2011.
Key points are as follows:
1. Marker #1 which is the most southern marker and closest to the Seagate neighborhood can be move
further to the south to better align with the canoe/kayak launch location. Seagrass signage can either be
added to this pole or separately marked to protect the sea grass beds in this area.
2. Installation of local Knowledge signs on each of the 12 marker poles did not necessarily concern him and
he is willing to allow more of these signs but wants to be able to look at the whole proposal in its totality
rather than piecemeal. He is more concerned that too many markers and/or signs on marker poles would
prevent safe navigation by cluttering this narrow path.
3. With respect to poles for shoal and seagrass markers instead of buoys, his position is that with a narrow
route, buoys would be safer for users if hit and less clutter in the route. He will however evaluate these
signs being on poles and make his decision when he evaluates the entire package.
4. He has no issues with the signs on either side of the tram bridge. This does not come under his
jurisdiction.
S. He wants us to submit our plan that is the consensus of the entire community and he will review it
holistically without all the telephone calls and the constant pressure from everyone In our community
calling and lobbying him.
6. He understands that this is a multi use route. Kayakers, canoers, boaters and swimmers will use the same
estuary. He has reviewed this with his legal department and this marking system would not prevent any
ofthe user's access or use.
7. The County ordinance number cannot be placed on FWC signage.
8. The permit will be issued by FWC contingent on review and concurrence by USACE and the USCG. Both
the USACE and the USCG have concurrent jurisdiction for this waterway. FWC's is primarily responsible
for sign age in this instance and is taking the lead. A permit is not required from the USACE or the USCG.
Their involvement will be limited to only review and concurrence and will be obtained by FWC.
9. A permit, review or concurrence from FDEP is not required.
10. Based on preliminary review, FWC is in conceptual concurrence with our proposed plans. FWC:s will
however not approve anything until a permit application is received and it can be reviewed in detail.
11. Tha attached route map and marker recommendations reflect our discussions from 2/17/2011 and
guidance from FWCon the 2/23/2011 telephone call.
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February 17,2011
MINUTES OF THE CLAM BAY DISCUSSION GROUP
Risk Management Training Room
3311 Tamiami Trail, East Naples
Naples, FL, February 17,2011
I. Call to Order
The Discussion began at 9:00 A.M.
The following Stakeholders were represented: Honorable John Sorey, City of
Naples; Mary Johnson, Mangrove Action Group; Steve Feldhaus, Pelican Bay
Foundation; Keith Dallas, Pelican Bay Services Division; Dr. Ernest Wu, Seagate
Homeowner's Assoc.; Marcia Cravens, Sierra Club; Kathy Worley, Conservancy of
Southwest Florida.
The following Collier County staff members were present: Gary McAlpin, Director,
Coastal Zone Management; Gail Hambright, Accountant; Pamela Keyes,
Environmental Specialist; Marla Ramsey, Administrator, Public Services.
Georgia Hiller, Collier County Commissioner, was also present.
II. Pledge of Allegiance
The Pledge of Allegiance was recited.
III. Changes and Approval of Discussion Approach Including the Consideration of
Additional Stakeholder Representatives.
Representation as listed above.
IV. Approval of Minutes
None
V. Marker Discussion through Stakeholder Representatives
Gary McAlpin, Director, Coastal Zone Management circulated a document
outlining a starting position for the discussion including a map for the proposed
marking of the system from Clam Bay south of Sea gate to the GulfofMexico.
He noted:
. The proposed marking of the channel will require approval by the Florida Fish
and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FFWCC) and Staff has been in
contact with FFWCC employee Ryan Moreau. Ms. Cravens objected to Mr.
Moreau not having the ability to provide input to the meeting.
. There are 12 proposed "canoe trail markers," 18" x 18" placed on 4" x 4"
posts.
. There are 3 proposed informational caution signs ("Clam Pass - Caution -
Local Knowledge Required - Keep Lookout for Boaters and Sw immers 'J on
post - 2 on the beach in the area of the Pass and 1 on Marker #1.
. There are 4 proposed (3 - "Caution Shoal" and 1 - "Sea grass Area")
informational buoy type markers.
February 17,2011
. Discussions with representatives of the FFWCC indicate the proposed plan
may be approved.
. The system is identified as a Natural Resource Protection Area (NRPA).
. The area in question is defined as a "navigable waterway" by the US Coast
Guard.
Under stakeholder discussions, three (3) main reasons were identified for marking the
system:
1. Safety for the users of the system.
2. Environmental protection of the natural resources in the system.
3. Maintaining the historic navigational rights of the Seagate Community.
Under the discussion the following points/concerns were highlighted:
. The proposed marking should be integrated with existing or proposed marking
of other areas within the system.
. The use of buoys should be restricted as they have a tendency to scour the sea
bottom causing environmental damage.
. Consideration should be given to incorporating signs warning of a "Manatee
Zone, Slow Speed/Minimum Wake."
. Consideration should be given to placing any signs as necessary on the banks,
(as opposed to the waterway) this may alleviate some permitting
requirements.
Under stakeholder discussion, the following concerns were identified:
Safety
Dr. Wu noted the number and location of signs are adequate. He expressed concern
proposed markers are "canoe trail marker signs," not "navigational signs/markers."
These types of signs do not notify system users that motorized boats may be present.
In the past, this concept has caused confrontations between canoeists, kayakers,
swimmers and motorized boat users within the system.
Discussion continued noting:
. It is not the function of the FFWCC to permit "navigational marking" of
systems. Navigational marking requires approval of the US Coast Guard, an
avenue that the Board of County Commissioners has chosen not to pursue at
this time.
. Consideration should be given to placing the informational signs ("Clam Pass
- Caution - Local Knowledge Required - Keep Lookout for Boaters and
Swimmers ') on other markers proposed for the system.
. Consideration should be given to placing signs on the drawbridge.
. Consideration should be given to revising the signage at the canoe/kayak boat
launch located on the lands controlled by the Pelican Bay Foundation to notify
users that they may encounter motorized boats or swimmers in the system.
. The permitting and maintaining of the markers will be the responsibility of
Collier County Government (Coastal Zone Management).
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February 17,2011
VI. Public Comments
Speakers
Ted Raia, Pelican Bay Resident noted, in his opinion, the canoe markers satisfy the
conditions ofthe original permit (issued in 1998) to maintain the system. He supports
revising the signage at the Pelican Bay Foundation area canoe launch to inform users
that they may encounter motorized boats and swimmers. He expressed concern the
US Coast Guard navigational charts were revised removing the "non navigable"
designation for the area.
Noreen Murray, Pelican Bay Resident expressed concern the uses in the area are
conflicting and it is difficult to utilize canoe markers to mark a "safe boating
channel." She recommended the type of boats permitted to utilize the system be
defined to assist in finding common ground for the type of markers required.
Gary McAlpin noted the types of motorized boats are defined as "shallow draft type
vessels."
Bonnie Michaels notes she kayaks in the system and questions if the area is being
"over protected." Responsibility to utilize the system safely lies with the users'
common sense and/or local knowledge.
David Roellig, Pelican Bay Resident noted not only signage is necessary in boating,
but these types of systems in general require owner/operator judgment to ensure
safety.
Rick Dykman, Seagate Resident noted the main concern for the community is the
proposal is a "canoe marker system." The community wants to ensure their historical
boating rights are maintained and some members of the community grow concerned
when these types of markers are proposed. He recommended directional arrows be
added to the signage to notify users the side of the marker required to traverse the
system safely.
Susan Ritas noted some of the concerns revolve around harassment, as opposed to
safety. The public needs to be put on notice that motorized boaters may utilize the
system.
Tim Hall recommended consideration be given to an additional "Sea Grass caution
sign" just south of Seagate and relocating marker # 1 further south.
Ronnie Bellone, Pelican Bay Resident noted marking the system is important so all
users may utilize the system in harmony.
Jim Pelton, Seagate Resident noted it is important to mark the system properly to
ensure safety and place the users on notice on the types of vessels which may be
encountered in the system.
Mary Bolin suggested a public education program (notifications in the Pelican Bay
Post, Naples Daily News, Public Po stings, etc.) be implemented to provide
notification on the types of activities occurring in the system.
Sarah Wu, Seagate Resident requested clarification on the types of markers allowed
by FFWCC and questioned if the canoe type markers will satisfy the requirements of
Collier County's Risk Management Division.
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Gary McAlpin noted the FFWCC permits specific types of signage and they are
concerned about commingling "fish and wildlife signage" with "navigational
signage." The Risk Management Division will review the proposal and provide
comments to staff.
Len Rothman, Canoeist confirmed "navigational marking" requires red and green
US Coast Guard approved markers.
VII. Announcements with follow up
Gary McAlpin noted staff/stakeholders will investigate the issues identified today
(and any others) and report at the next meeting.
Commissioner Hiller noted she spoke to Ryan Moreau and he encouraged anyone
with questions to contact him at 850-410-0656 ext. 17376 or email
ryan.moreau@myfwc.com
VIII. Next Meeting Date/Location
Wednesday, February 23,2011; Risk Management Training Room, 3311
Tamiami Trail East, Naples
The Discussion ended at 11 :00 A.M.
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Collier County Government
Communication & Customer Relations
3299 Tamiami Trail East, Suite 102
Naples, FL 34112-5746
Contact: 239-252-8848
www.collien!Ov.net
www.fwittcr.com/CollicrPI 0
www.facebook.com/CollicrGov
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February 28, 2011
FOR IMMEDIA TE RELEASE
NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETING
CLAM BAY MARKER DISCUSSION
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
TUESDAY MARCH 15,2011
1:00 P.M.
Notice is hereby given that a public meeting will be held to review and discuss Clam Bay Markers on
Tuesday, March 15th, at 1:00 p.m. in the Human Resource Training Room 208, Collier County Government
Center, 3309 Tamiami Trail East, Naples.
Two or more members of the City of Naples City Council, City of Marco Island City Council, Tourist
Development Council and the Pelican Bay Services Division may be present and may participate at the
meeting. The subject matter of this meeting may be a future item for discussion and action at these Board
meetings.
In regard to the public meeting:
All interested parties are invited to attend, and to register to speak and to submit their objections, if any, in
writing, to the board/committee prior to the meeting if applicable. All registered public speakers will be
limited to three minutes unless permission for additional time is granted by the chairman.
Collier County Ordinance No. 2004-05 requires that all lobbyists shall, before engaging in any lobbying
activities (including, but not limited to, addressing the Board of County Commissioners, an advisory board
or quasi-judicial board), register with the Clerk to the Board at the Board Minutes and Records Department.
If you are a person with a disability who needs any accommodation in order to participate in this proceeding,
you are entitled, at no cost to you, to the provision of certain assistance. Please contact the Collier County
Facilities Management Department, located at 3335 Tamiami Trail East. Suite 10 I, Naples, FL 34112-5356,
(239) 252-8380, at least two days prior to the meeting. Assisted listening devices for the hearing impaired
are available in the Board of County Commissioners Office.
For more information, call Gail Hambright at (239) 252-2966.
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