CBMDG Agenda 02/17/2011
CLAM BAY MARKER
DISCUSSION GROUP
MEETING
AGENDA
FEBRUARY 17, 2011
MEETING AGENDA
CLAM BAY MARKER DISCUSSION GROUP
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 17,2011- 9:00 A.M. TILL 12:00 P.M.
RISK MANAGEMENT TRAINING ROOM
3311 TAMIAMI TRAIL EAST, NAPLES
I. Call to Order
II. Pledge of Allegiance
III. Changes and Approval of Discussion Approach Including the Consideration of
Additional Stakeholder Representatives
IV. Approval of Minutes
V. Marker Discussion through Stakeholder Representatives
VI. Public Comments
VII. Announcements with Follow-up
VIII. Next Meeting Date/Location
Wednesday February23, 2011; Risk Management Training Room, 3311 Tamiami
Trail East, Naples
IX. Adjournment
* Public speakers are requested to do the following for any items presented to the Board:
Display on each document the presenter's name and title of document. Provide a total of 7
copies of each handout, to be distributed as follows: 3 Board Members; 1 Minute Taker; 1
County Attorney; 2 CZM Staff members.
* The following websites will provide information, agendas and dates for this subcommittee:
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All interested partied are invited to attend, and to register to speak and to submit their objections, if any, in writing, to the board prior
to the meeting if applicable.
For more information, please contact Gail D. Hambright at (239) 252-2966.
If you are a person with a disability who needs any accommodation in order to participate in this proceeding, you are entitled, at no
cost to you, to the provision of certain assistance. Please contact the Collier County Facilities Management Department located at
3301 East Tamiami Trail, Naples, FL 34112, (239) 252-8380.
Public comments will be limited to 3 minutes unless the Chairman grants permission for additional time.
Collier County Ordinance No. 99-22 requires that all lobbyists shall, before engaging in any lobbying activities (including, but not
limited to, addressing the Board of County Commissioners) before the Board of County Commissioners and its advisory boards,
register with the Clerk to the Board at the Board Minutes and Records Department.
All,
Attached is a draft for a starting position prepared by CZM following extensive
discussions with FWC for the Clam Bay marker discussion tomorrow.
FWC will approve/permit only what is outlined as follows:
1. Only canoe trail markers for the clam bay route between the pass location to the
Seagate neighborhood can be permitted. These are markers identified as 1
through 12. These markers will be located off to the side to open the area up for
passage. A sample of the markers that are approvable by FWC are attached.
2. The location of the markers have been verified and tentatively approved with
FWC. They are in general agreement pending final review. They will have the
ultimate approval for location.
3. If additional markers are required, we have the ability to justify them with FWC.
4. Two Informational markers are recommended at the beach and one at the
entrance to the Seagate neighborhood. A sign sample is attached.
5. Informational markers that identify the position of Shoals and Seagrasses will be
permitted. We have identified 4 or so markers that will be used in the system.
These will be used to guide users into the deeper water.
The meeting will be conducted as outlined in the previous sent emaillisted below. The
public announcement is attached.
As follow-up to the direction given staff by the Board of County commissioners on
1/25/2011, this is our plan to discuss and resolve the marking of Clam Pass/Bay.
Please share this memo with other interested parties.
. Two public meeting will be set up to discuss a marking plan with the public.
. The first meeting will be held on 2/17/2011 and the second will be noticed on
2/23/2011. Gail Hambright will notice these meeting today or Monday
1/31/2011. The meeting will be held at 9 am and open to the public. Locations
will be identified in the Public Notice. Summary minutes will be taken and
recorded with the Clerk's office. The second meeting will be held if there are
follow-up items to the 2/17/2011 meeting and can be canceled if not needed.
. The following groups have requested the opportunity to participate in these
meetings. A representative from each group will be offered the opportunity to
participate in the discussion and speak for their respective communities. In
addition, the entire public will be afforded the opportunity to individually speak
during public comment.
a. Mike Bauer - Natural Resources Manager for the City of Naples
b. Ernie Wu - President of the Seagate Homeowners Community
c. Steve Feldhaus - Secretary of the Pelican Bay Foundation
d. Keith Dallas - Chairman of the Pelican Bay Services Division
e. Mary Johnson - President of the Mangrove Action Committee
f. Kathy Worley - Environmental Specialists from the Conservancy
g. McAlpin, Ramsey and Keyes from the County
h. Staff will consult with FWC prior to the first meeting and solicit their
participation. Based on the outcome of our discussions, FWC may also
participate in the second meeting.
. CZM will propose a plan to start the discussion. This plan will be posted on the
website several days prior to the 1 ih.
. Other meetings will be held as needed to reach closure.
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March 1,2011
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
NOTE TIME CHANGE
NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETING
CLAM BAY MARKER DISCUSSION
COLLIER COUNTY,FLORIDA
TUESDAY MARCH 15,2011
2:00 P.M.
Notice is hereby given that a public meeting will be held to review and discuss Clam Bay Markers on
Tuesday, March 151h, at 2:00 p.m. in the Human Resource Training Room 208, Collier County Government
Center, 3309 Tamiami Trail East,Naples.
Two or more members of the City of Naples City Council, City of Marco Island City Council, Tourist
Development Council and the Pelican Bay Services Division may be present and may participate at the
meeting. The subject matter of this meeting may be a future item for discussion and action at these Board
meetings.
In regard to the public meeting: '
All interested parties are invited to attend, and to register to speak and to submit their objections, if any, in
writing, to the board/committee prior to the meeting if applicable. All registered public speakers will be
limited to three minutes unless permission for additional time is granted by the chairman.
Collier County Ordinance No. 2004-05 requires that all lobbyists shall, before engaging in any lobbying
activities (including, but not limited to, addressing the Board of County Commissioners, an advisory board
or quasi-judicial board), register with the Clerk to the Board at the Board Minutes and Records Department.
If you are a person with a disability who needs any accommodation in order to participate in this proceeding,
you are entitled, at no cost to you, to the provision of certain assistance. Please contact the Collier County
Facilities Management Department, located at 3335 Tamiami Trail East, Suite 101, Naples, FL 34112-5356,
(239) 252-8380, at least two days prior to the meeting. Assisted listening devices for the hearing impaired
are available in the Board of County Commissioners Office.
For more information, call Gail Hambright at (239)252-2966.
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Patricia L. Morgan
From: HambrightGail [GailHambright @colliergov.net]
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:08 PM
Subject: Clam Bay Discussion Group material
Attachments: 3-15-11 Backup Agenda.pdf; 2-17-11 Clam Bay Minutes.pdf
All,
Attached is the backup material for the Clam Bay Marker Discussion group meeting scheduled for3/15/11
from 1 to 4.
This is a summary of recent conversations with FWC further clarifying questions raised at the 2/17/2011 group
meeting. This will also be placed on our website for public review but please send it to members of the
community who have an interest in this topic.
I have also attached the Minutes to our last meeting. As most of you are aware verbatim minutes are not
provided for committees as they are quite expensive. However, if you would like to obtain the audio tape you
can do so by contacting the Minutes and Records Department at 252-8406 for$5 as they are the custodians of
these audio tapes.
See you on the 15th.
Thanks,
Gail D. Hambright, Accountant
Coastal Zone Management
Collier County Government
3299 Tamiami Trail East,Suite 103
Naples,Florida 34112
Phone: (239)252-2966
Fax:(239)252-2950
Stream Fax(239)252-6502
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Gail D. Hambright, Accountant
Coastal Zone Management
Collier County Government
3299 Tamiami Trail East,Suite 103
Naples, Florida 34112
Phone:(239)252-2966
Fax:(239)252-2950
Discussion with Ryan Moreau on 2/23/2011 based on questions from the Clam Bay marker workshop
held on 2/17/2011.
Key points are as follows:
1. Marker#1 which is the most southern marker and closest to the Seagate neighborhood can be move
further to the south to better align with the canoe/kayak launch location. Seagrass signage can either be
added to this pole or separately marked to protect the sea grass beds in this area.
2. Installation of Local Knowledge signs on each of the 12 marker poles did not necessarily concern him and
he is willing to allow more of these signs but wants to be able to look at the whole proposal in its totality
rather than piecemeal. He is more concerned that too many markers and/or signs on marker poles would
prevent safe navigation by cluttering this narrow path.
3. With respect to poles for shoal and seagrass markers instead of buoys,his position is that with a narrow
route,buoys would be safer for users if hit and less clutter in the route. He will however evaluate these
signs being on poles and make his decision when he evaluates the entire package.
4. He has no issues with the signs on either side of the tram bridge. This does not come under his
jurisdiction.
5. He wants us to submit our plan that is the consensus of the entire community and he will review it
holistically without all the telephone calls and the constant pressure from everyone in our community
calling and lobbying him.
6. He understands that this is a multi use route. Kayakers,canoers,boaters and swimmers will use the same
estuary. He has reviewed this with his legal department and this marking system would not prevent any
of the user's access or use.
7. The County ordinance number cannot be placed on FWC signage.
8. The permit will be issued by FWC contingent on review and concurrence by USACE and the USCG. Both
the USACE and the USCG have concurrent jurisdiction for this waterway. FWC's is primarily responsible
for signage in this instance and is taking the lead. A permit is not required from the USACE or the USCG.
Their involvement will be limited to only review and concurrence and will be obtained by FWC.
9. A permit,review or concurrence from FDEP is not required.
10. Based on preliminary review, FWC is in conceptual concurrence with our proposed plans. FWCs will
however not approve anything until a permit application is received and it can be reviewed in detail.
11. Tha attached route map and marker recommendations reflect our discussions from 2/17/2011 and
guidance from FWCon the 2/23/2011 telephone call.
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