BCC Minutes 12/14/2010 R
BCC
REGULAR
MEETING
MINUTES
DECEMBER 14, 2010
December 14, 2010
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Naples, Florida, December 14, 2010
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County
Commissioners, in and for the County of Collier, and also acting as
the Board of Zoning Appeals and as the governing board( s) of such
special districts as have been created according to law and having
conducted business herein, met on this date at 9:00 a.m., in
REGULAR SESSION in Building "F" of the Government Complex,
East Naples, Florida, with the following members present:
CHAIRMAN: Fred Coyle
Jim Coletta
Donna Fiala
Georgia Hiller
Tom Henning
ALSO PRESENT:
Leo Ochs, County Manager
Jeffrey A. Klatzkow, County Attorney
Crystal Kinzel, Office of the Clerk of Courts
Ian Mitchell, BCC Executive Manager
Mike Sheffield, Business Operations Manager - CMO
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COLLIER COUNTY
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
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AGENDA
December 14,2010
9:00 AM
Fred W. Coyle, BCC Chairman Commissioner, District 4
Georgia Hiller, BCC Commissioner, District 2
Jim Coletta, BCC Commissioner, District 5, CRAB Vice-Chairman
Donna Fiala, BCC Commissioner, District 1, CRAB Chairman
Tom Henning, BCC Commissioner, District 3
NOTICE: ALL PERSONS WISHING TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS MUST
REGISTER PRIOR TO SPEAKING. SPEAKERS MUST REGISTER WITH THE
COUNTY MANAGER PRIOR TO THE PRESENTATION OF THE AGENDA
ITEM TO BE ADDRESSED. ALL REGISTERED SPEAKERS WILL RECEIVE
UP TO THREE (3) MINUTES UNLESS THE TIME IS ADJUSTED BY THE
CHAIRMAN.
COLLIER COUNTY ORDINANCE NO. 2003-53, AS AMENDED BY
ORDINANCE 2004-05 AND 2007-24, REQUIRES THAT ALL LOBBYISTS
SHALL, BEFORE ENGAGING IN ANY LOBBYING ACTIVITIES
(INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, ADDRESSING THE BOARD OF
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS), REGISTER WITH THE CLERK TO THE
BOARD AT THE BOARD MINUTES AND RECORDS DEPARTMENT.
REQUESTS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON SUBJECTS WHICH ARE NOT ON
THIS AGENDA MUST BE SUBMITTED IN WRITING WITH EXPLANATION
TO THE COUNTY MANAGER AT LEAST 13 DAYS PRIOR TO THE DATE OF
THE MEETING AND WILL BE HEARD UNDER "PUBLIC PETITIONS."
PUBLIC PETITIONS ARE LIMITED TO THE PRESENTER, WITH A
MAXIMUM TIME OF TEN MINUTES.
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WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS PERTAINING THERETO,
AND THEREFORE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD
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FACILITIES MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT LOCATED AT 3329 EAST
TAMIAMI TRAIL, NAPLES, FLORIDA, 34112, (239) 252-8380; ASSISTED
LISTENING DEVICES FOR THE HEARING IMPAIRED ARE AVAILABLE IN
THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' OFFICE.
LUNCH RECESS SCHEDULED FOR 12:00 NOON TO 1:00 P.M.
1. INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
A. Father Dwayne Varas - St. Paul's Episcopal Church
B. Swearing in ceremony for Commissioner Hiller, District 2. The swearing in
will be conducted by former State Representative Mary Ellen Hawkins and
the Clerk of the Circuit Court, Dwight E. Brock. Members of the North
Naples Fire District will provide an Honor Guard.
C. In honor of the the swearing in of Commissioner Hiller, District 2, The
Village School of Naples Chorale will perform a version of America the
Beautiful.
2. AGENDA AND MINUTES
A. Approval of today's regular, consent and summary agenda as amended (Ex
Parte Disclosure provided by Commission members for consent and
summary agenda.)
B. October 26, 2010 - BCC/Regular Meeting Minutes
C. November 1,2010 - BCC/Tourist Development Council Workshop
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D. Selection of a Vice-Chairman of the Board of County Commissioners to
temporarily serve until the January 11,2011 Board meeting.
3. SERVICE AWARDS: (EMPLOYEE AND ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS)
4. PROCLAMATIONS
A. Proclamation recognizing December 14, 2010 as Congressman Mario Diaz-
Balart Day. To be accepted by Congressman Mario Diaz-Balart. Sponsored
by Commissioner Jim Coletta.
B. Proclamation designating December 14, 2010 as The Ritz-Carlton Naples
Day. To be accepted by Ed Staros, Vice President and Managing Director of
the Ritz-Carlton Resorts of Naples. Sponsored by Commissioner Georgia A.
Hiller.
C. Proclamation recognizing Northgate Club Apartments for their continued
contributions and efforts in recycling. To be accepted by Coleen Fernandez,
Manager of North gate Club Apartments, Dan Rodriguez, Solid Waste
Management Director and staff. Sponsored by Commissioner Tom Henning.
D. Proclamation designating November 30,2010 as Conservancy of Southwest
Florida Dalton Discovery Center Day. To be accepted by Troy Frensley,
Conservancy of Southwest Florida. Sponsored by Commissioner Georgia A.
Hiller.
5. PRESENTATIONS
A. Presentation of the Collier County "Business of the Month" award to
Moorings Park for December 2010. To be accepted by Dan Lavender, CEO.
B. Presentation of the Advisory Committee Outstanding Member of the Month
to Maurice Gutierrez for his contribution to the Bayshore Beautification
MSTU.
c. Presentation by Paradise Advertising and Marketing, Inc., to the Freedom
Memorial Fund.
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D. Recommendation to recognize Natalie Smith, Fiscal Technician, Utility
Billing and Customer Service, as the Employee of the Month for October
2010.
E. Recommendation to recognize Michael Cox, Senior Operations Analyst,
Administrative Services Division, as the Employee of the Month for
November 2010.
F. Recognition of Awards to the Collier County Water Department The 2010
Florida Department of Environmental Protection Plant Operations
Excellence Award and the 2010 Florida Section American Water Works
Association Water Distribution Award.
6. PUBLIC PETITIONS
A. Public Petition request by Randy Johns of Phoenix Associates of South
Florida, Inc., requesting a 12-month extension for the pylon sign at the
Florida Sports Park.
B. Public Petition request by Randy Johns of Phoenix Associates of South
Florida, Inc., requesting a 48-month payment plan for impact fees for New
Hope Ministries.
Item 7 and 8 to he heard no sooner than 1:00 D.m., unless otherwise noted.
7. BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
A. Due to an advertisin2 error with Item #7B~ this item has been continued
to the January 1L 2011 BCC Meetin2. This item requires that all
participants be sworn in and ex parte disclosure be provided bv
Commission members: A resolution amending Resolution Number 05-235
(Development Order No. 05-01), as amended, for The Town of Ave Maria
Development of Regional Impact (DR!) located in Sections 31 through 33,
Township 47 South, Range 29 East and Sections 4 through 9 and 16 through
18, Township 48 South, Range 29 East in Collier County, Florida; by
providing for: Section One, amendments to Development Order by revising
Exhibit C: SRA Master Plan to divide Town Center 2 into Town Center 2a
and Town Center 2b, to relocate Town Center 2b to Oil Well Road and to
relocate an access point on Oil Well Road; Section Two, Findings of Fact;
Section Three, Conclusions of Law; and Section Four, Effect of Previously
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Issued Development Orders, transmittal to Department Of Community
Affairs and effective date. (Petition DOA-PL2010-1751) [Companion to
SRAA-PL2010-1988](CTS)
B. Due to an advertisin2 error~ this item has been continued to the Januarv
11~ 2011 BCC Meetin2. This item requires that all participants be sworn
in and ex parte disclosure be provided by Commission members: A
Resolution amending Resolution Numbers 2004-89 and 2005-234A for the
Town of Ave Maria Stewardship Receiving Area to revise the SRA Master
Plan to divide Town Center 2 into Town Center 2a and Town Center 2b; to
relocate Town Center 2b to Oil Well Road and to relocate an access point on
Oil Well Road. The property is located north of Oil Well Road and west of
Camp Keais Road in Sections 31 through 33, Township 47 South, Range 29
East and Sections 4 through 9 and 16 through 18, Township 48 South,
Range 29 East in Collier County, Florida. (Petition SRAA-PL2010-
1988)[Companion to DOA-PL2010-1751]
8. ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. This item continued from the November 9~ 2010 BCC meetin2 at stafrs
request. This item requires that all participants be sworn in and ex
parte disclosure be provided by Commission members. Collier Davis,
LLC, represented by Robert Andrea of Coastal Engineering Consultants,
Inc., is requesting a rezone from the Estates (E) zoning district to the Mixed
Use Planned Unit Development (MPUD) zoning district for a project to be
known as the Davis Reserve MPUD to allow for the development of a
maximum of 234 dwelling units including affordable housing and a
maximum of35,000 square feet of commercial retail and office uses. The
subject property, consisting of 22.83 acres, is located in the southeast
quadrant of the intersection of Davis Boulevard and County Barn Road, in
Section 8, Township 50 South, Range 26 East, Collier County, Florida.
(Related to Item 16A4)
B. This item requires that all participants be sworn in and ex parte
disclosure be provided by Commission members; PUDA-2007-AR-
11961 : Voila, II, LLC, represented by Margaret Perry, of WilsonMiller, Inc.
and Richard Y ovanovich, Esquire of Coleman, Y ovanovich & Koester, P.A.,
is requesting an amendment to Sonoma Oaks Mixed Use Planned Unit
Development (MPUD) to allow a maximum of 114 residential dwelling
units and/or a maximum of 456 senior housing units on the residential
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portion and up to 120,000 square feet of commercial development and/or
senior housing units at a floor area ration (FAR) of 0.60 on the 8.93 acre
commercial portion of this 37.5 acre total project. Senior housing units
include independent living facilities, assisted living facilities and/or skilled
nursing facilities. The subject property is located on the west side of Collier
Boulevard (CR 951) between Wolfe Road and Loop Road, in Section 34,
Township 48 South, Range 26 East, Collier County, Florida.(CTS)
C. Recommendation to approve Remedial Amendments to the Growth
Management Plan, Ordinance 89-05, as amended, to implement a previously
approved Compliance Agreement between the Florida Department of
Community Affairs and Collier County, including Petitioners-in-
Intervention, pertaining to Section 24 in North Belle Meade.
D. Recommendation to adopt an Ordinance amending Chapter 74 of the Collier
County Code of Laws and Ordinances (The Collier County Consolidated
Impact Fee Ordinance) providing for the incorporation by reference of the
impact fee studies entitled the Collier County General Government
Buildings Impact Fee Update Study and the Collier County Library
Facilities and Items/Equipment Impact Fee Update; amending the Library
Impact Fee rate schedule, which is Schedule Eight of Appendix A, in
accordance with the findings of the update study, which provides for a
reduction in rates; amending the General Government Building Impact Fee
rate schedule, which is Schedule Nine of Appendix A, as set forth in the
update study, which provides for a reduction in rates; and providing for an
effective date of December 20,2010.
E. Recommendation to adopt an Ordinance amending Chapter 74 of the Collier
County Code of Laws and Ordinances (The Collier County Consolidated
Impact Fee Ordinance) providing for the incorporation by reference of the
impact fee studies entitled the Collier County Law Enforcement Impact Fee
Study Final Report and amending the Law Enforcement Impact Fee rate
schedule, which is Schedule Ten of Appendix A to allow for a phased
implementation of the rates.
9. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
A. Status report on the potential Jackson Laboratory Project. (Commissioner
Coyle)
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B. In light of the recent letter from the State of Florida Director of Office of
Tourism and Economic Development pointing out Jackson Labs has failed
to apply for funding, I will call for a motion on December 14, 2010 to stop
wasting County staffs time and taxpayer's money on Jackson Labs. The
Jackson Labs local funding has divided the community and it's time to put
this issue behind us and move forward by continuing doing what local
government does best, provide service to its residents. (Commissioner
Henning)
c. Request to reconsider Agenda Item Number 10D which was previously
approved by the Board of County Commissioners at the October 26, 2010
BCC Meeting regarding the proposed vertical expansion of the Collier
County Landfill. (Commissioner Henning)
D. Request to reconsider Agenda Item Number 10E which was previously
approved by the Board of County Commissioners at the October 26, 2010
BCC Meeting regarding the North Collier Recycling Drop Off Center.
(Commissioner Henning)
E. Request to reconsider Agenda Item Number 10H which was previously
approved by the Board of County Commissioners at the October 26, 2010
BCC Meeting regarding North Naples Fire Control and Rescue District's
Application for COPCN. (Commissioner Henning)
F. Request by Florida Association of Counties to fill a vacancy on the Board
for District #37. (Commissioner Coyle)
G. Appointment of member to the Environmental Advisory Council.
H. Appointment of member to the Consumer Advisory Board.
I. Appointment of a member to the Affordable Housing Advisory Committee.
J. Appointment of members to the Isles of Capri Fire Control District Advisory
Committee.
K. Appointment of member to the Collier County Coastal Advisory Committee.
L. Appointment of a member to the Collier County Citizens Corps.
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M. Appointment of members to the Immokalee Enterprise Zone Development
Agency.
10. COUNTY MANAGER'S REPORT
A. Recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners provide direction
to staff on selection of preferred alternative to address access to E' s Country
Store on Oil Well Road, currently under construction. (Norman Feder,
Administrator, Growth Management)
B. Due to an advertisin2 error with Item #7B~ this item has been continued
to the Januarv 11~ 2011 BCC Meetin2 and will be heard after Items #7A
and #7B. Recommendation to approve for recording the final plat of Eastern
Collier Research Park Unit 18, approval of the standard form Construction
and Maintenance Agreement and approval of the amount of the performance
security. (Nick Casalanguida, Deputy Administrator, Growth Management
Division)
C. Recommendation to approve the proposed amendments to Collier County
Ordinance 92-60, as amended (Tourist Development Tax) and advertise the
proposed amended Ordinance for approval at a future meeting to reduce the
Tourism Emergency Reserve Fund 196 ceiling and eliminate the year end
sweep of funds from Tourism Administration Fund 194 to Fund 195 and
183, and redirect those funds to Tourism Promotion Fund 184 for tourism
destination marketing and authorize all necessary budget amendments. (Jack
Wert, Tourism Director)
D. Presentation of the 2010 countywide affordable housing inventory. (Michele
Mosca, Principal Planner, Land Development Services Dept., Growth
Management Division)
E. Recommendation to award Bid Number 10-5596, SRO Wellfield Raw Water
Transmission Main Repair to Mitchell & Stark Construction Company, Inc.,
in the amount of $1 ,812,000 complete the first stage of Phase IV of the
South Reverse Osmosis Wellfield Raw Water Transmission Main Repair
Project, Project No. 70030. (Jim DeLony, Public Utilities Administrator)
F. Recommendation to award Contract #10-5599 to Stantec Consulting
Services, Inc., in the amount of $341 ,534, for Construction Engineering
Inspection Services for the first stage of Phase IV of the South Reverse
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Osmosis Wellfield Raw Water Transmission Main Repair Project, Project
No. 70030. (Jim DeLony, Public Utilities Administrator)
G. Recommendation to award Contract No. 10-5593 West Eustis Avenue
Stormwater Improvements to South West Utility, Inc. in the amount of
$266,188 plus a ten (10) percent contingency of $26,618.80 totaling
$292,806.80, Project Number 51024. (Jay Ahmad, Director, Transportation
Engineering)
11. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON GENERAL TOPICS
12. COUNTY ATTORNEY'S REPORT
13. OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS
14. AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND/OR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT
AGENCY
A. Recommendation for the Collier County Board of County Commissioners
(BCC) acting as the Community Redevelopment Agency (CRA) to authorize
the creation of a grant funded Full Time Employee (FTE) position
(Immokalee Business Development Center (IBDC) Manager) for Fiscal
Year 2011 and hire a qualified applicant.
B. Recommendation to approve a partnership between Community
Redevelopment Agency and the Immokalee Housing Collaborative (Collier
County Housing Authority, Empowerment Alliance of Southwest Florida,
Immokalee Housing and Family Services & I HOPE) to update the 2004
Immokalee Housing Condition Inventory (to include mobile homes);
authorize expenditure of $22,000 from Fund 186 to pay just over 50% of the
total costs of the project, and authorize any necessary budget amendments.
C. Recommendation to approve the price structure for the Immokalee Airport
proposed by the Airport Executive Director pursuant to the authority
delegated in Ordinance 10-10 and the Airport Administrative Code and
apply said structure to Cross Country Soaring.
15. STAFF AND COMMISSION GENERAL COMMUNICATIONS
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16. CONSENT AGENDA - All matters listed under this item are considered to be
routine and action will be taken by one motion without separate discussion of each
item. If discussion is desired by a member of the Board, that item(s) will be
removed from the Consent Agenda and considered separately.
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A. GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIVISION
1) Recommendation to approve Funding Agreement No. HGMP 1785-
027 -R with the Florida Division of Emergency Management in the
amount of $49,200 providing funding assistance to the Lely Area
Stormwater Improvement Project (LASIP) Haldeman Creek
Stormwater Improvement and Lock Louise Weir Reconstruction
project and approve all necessary budget amendments recognizing
revenue for the project.
2) Report on the status of compliance efforts by Queens Park
Community Services Association, Inc. pursuant to Board direction on
January 12,2010.
3) Recommendation to approve final acceptance of the water utility
facility for Cortile at Mediterra, Parcel 118, 16971 Cortile Drive and
to authorize the County Manager, or his designee, to release any
Utilities Performance Security to the Project Engineer or the
Developers designated agent.
4) Recommendation to approve final acceptance of the water and sewer
utility facilities for Heritage Bay Clubhouse, Phase A, 10154 Heritage
Bay Boulevard and to authorize the County Manager, or his designee,
to release any Utilities Performance Security to the Project Engineer
or the Developers designated agent.
5) This item requires that ex parte disclosure be provided by
Commission Members. Should a hearin2 be held on this item~ all
participants are required to be sworn in. This is a recommendation
to approve for recording the final plat of Faith Landing, approval of
the standard form Construction and Maintenance Agreement and
approval of the amount of the performance security.
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6) Recommendation to grant final approval of the roadway and drainage
improvements for the final plat of City Gate Commerce Center, Phase
One with the roadway and drainage improvements within Tract R-2
being privately maintained, and Tract R-l being maintained by Collier
County and authorizing the release of the maintenance security.
7) Recommendation for the County Manager or designee to permit
removal of existing seawall and dune restoration without requiring
applicant to amend Coastal Construction Control Line Variance
Resolution 82-179.
8) Recommendation to direct staff to amend the Collier County Land
Development Code to allow one sandwich board at the entrance door
of a business establishment.
9) This item requires that ex parte disclosure be provided by
Commission members. Should a hearin2 be held on this item~ all
participants are required to be sworn in. This is a recommendation
to approve for recording the final plat of Johnnycake Cove, Lot 8
Rep I at.
10) This item requires that ex parte disclosure be provided by
Commission members. Should a hearin2 be held on this item~ all
participants are required to be sworn in. This is a recommendation
to approve for recording the final plat of Berkshire Commons Parcels
3A & 3B.
11) Recommendation to approve an impact fee reimbursement requested
by Bayfront, Inc. totaling $193,454.24, due to the cancellation of two
building permits.
12) Recommendation to approve an Encroachment Agreement for Lot 17,
Grey Oaks Unit Nineteen.
13) Approve the scrivener's error updating the information contained in
Change Order No.7 for the agreement between Collier County and
Van Buskirk, Ryffel and Associates Inc.
14) Recommendation to approve, and authorize the Chairman to sign, a
Satisfaction of Lien, related to impact fees, due to the deferred impact
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fees being paid in full, in accordance with the Affordable Housing
Impact Fee Deferral Program, as set forth by Section 74-401 of the
Collier County Code of Laws and Ordinances, and the Charitable
Organization Impact Fee Deferral Program, as set forth by Section 74-
203 (i) of the Collier County Code of Laws and Ordinances.
15) Recommendation to award Bid #10-5507 Storm Drain Cleaning,
Documenting & Repairs to Shenandoah General Construction
Company for an estimated annual expenditure of$100,000.
16) Recommendation to approve Funding Agreement No. 4600002213
with the South Florida Water Management District in the amount of
$775,000 providing funding assistance with two (2) Stormwater
projects and to approve an agreement with the Collier Soil and Water
Conservation District necessary to facilitate funding assistance with
the second of the two projects and authorize the necessary budget
amendments.
17) Recommendation to authorize a budget amendment to recognize carry
forward for projects within the Transportation Supported Gas Tax
Fund (313) in the amount of$4,350.
18) Recommendation for the Board of County Commissioners to enter
into a Landscape Maintenance Agreement with The Shores at
Berkshire Lakes Master Homeowners Association, Inc. for work
performed along Easement along Santa Barbara and Radio Road
(hereinafter referred to as Easement).
19) Recommendation to approve proposed route modifications and
implement the previously approved secondary transfer station at
Collier Area Transit Facility on 8300 Radio Road.
20) Recommendation to accept a Federal Transit Administration Section
5310 FY2010/2011 grant award in the amount of$230,115; utilize the
unspent portion of the FY2009/20 1 0 Federal Transit Administration
Section 5310 grant award totaling $30,570 and approve the purchase
of three (3) paratransit vehicles in the total amount of $260,688.
21) Recommendation to approve a Resolution authorizing the execution
and submittal of the Federal Transit Administration Section 5311
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FY20 11120 12 grant application and applicable document.
22) Recommendation to approve a Resolution authorizing the submittal of
the Federal Transit Administration Section 5310 FY201112012 grant
application and applicable document which can only be used for
capital expenditures of bus purchases.
23) This item was omitted from the agenda.
24) Recommendation to approve two (2) Adopt-A-Road Program
Agreements for Lake Trafford Road from SR 29 to Carson Road, for
the volunteer group, Immokalee High School College Reach Out
Program and for Lake Trafford Road from Carson Road to Little
League Road, for the volunteer group Immokalee High School Future
Business Leaders of America, with a total of four ( 4) recognition signs
at a total cost of $300.
25) Recommendation to review and accept the Ave Maria Stewardship
District Five- Year Fiscal Monitoring Report.
B. COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
1) Recommendation that the Community Redevelopment Agency (CRA)
and Board of County Commissioners (BCC) approve a joint
CRA/BCC Walkable Community Study, and jointly submit the study
to the Collier Metropolitan Planning Organization (MPO) for
inclusion into the Collier County MPO Pathways Master Plan.
2) Recommendation for the Community Redevelopment Agency (CRA)
to approve and execute a Shoreline Stabilization Grant Agreement
between the CRA and a Grant Applicant within the Bayshore
Gateway Triangle area. (2736 Riverview Drive and 2772 Riverview
Drive, total of$9,725)
C. PUBLIC UTILITIES
1) Recommendation to award a construction contract in the amount of
$714,765 for the North County Regional Water Treatment Plant
Variable Frequency Drive Upgrades to Gulf Coast Construction of
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Naples, Inc., Bid Number 10-5563 Project Number 71063.
2) Recommendation to approve a Work Order under Contract #08-5011
Underground Utilities Contracting Services in the amount of$373,800
to Haskins, Inc.; Project #73307.
3) Recommendation to execute the Equipment Security Agreement to
secure the payment plan debt between Fine & Dandy Service, Inc.,
d/b/a NAPKING, and the Collier County Water-Sewer District as a
one-time exception to the Consolidated Impact Fee Ordinance,
Ordinance No. 2001-13, as amended, for the wastewater impact fee
and the Allowance for Funds Prudently Invested fee for building
Permit Number 2010070017.
D. PUBLIC SERVICES
1) Recommendation to approve award for Invitation to Bid (ITB) #10-
5597 for Concession Stand Food Products to Cheney Brothers Inc.
Estimated expenses of $1 00,000 annually.
2) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign an
amendment to the Community Housing Development Organization
(CHDO) Set-Aside Funds Subrecipient Agreement with Florida Non-
Profit Services, Inc. (FNPS) approved on July 27,2010. This project
was previously approved to purchase and rehabilitate a single family
home in Immokalee. This amendment is to update language in Exhibit
A, which includes Section A- the Scope, Section B- the Budget,
Section C- the Work Plan, and Section D- the Payment Schedule to
contain updated terms and to revise Exhibit C, containing additional
grant requirements. This project will continue to meet the original
objective approved on July 27,2010.
3) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign the
Letter of Understanding with Larry Ray, Collier County Tax
Collector, outlining Tax Collector and Library joint use facility in
Everglades City, Florida.
4) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign a
Mortgage and Note Modification Agreement with Creative Choice
Homes XIV, Ltd. to extend the term of a State Housing Initiative
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Partnership program loan for an additional eight years. The new
maturity date will be November 1, 2018.
5) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign an
amendment to the 2008-2009 Community Development Block Grant
(CDBG) Subrecipient Agreement with the City of Naples approved on
October 27,2009. This amendment is to revise Exhibit A, Sections B-
the Budget and C-the Project Milestone Schedule, in order to facilitate
reimbursement.
6) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign an
amendment to the 2009-2010 Community Development Block Grant
(CDBG) Subrecipient Agreement with the City of Naples approved on
September 15,2009 (Item #16D9). This amendment is to revise
Exhibit A, Sections Band C, to update budget information and extend
project milestone schedule dates in order to facilitate reimbursement.
7) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign one
(1) Subrecipient Agreement for a Community Development Block
Grant (CDBG) project previously approved for Department of
Housing and Urban Development (RUD) funding in the 2010-2011
Action Plan.
8) Recommendation to approve payment of $600 administrative fine to
the Florida Department of Environmental Protection for violation of
Florida Administrative Code #62-296.401, which provides regulatory
guidelines for Air General Permits.
9) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign an
amendment to the 2009-2010 Emergency Shelter Grant (ESG)
Subrecipient Agreement with the Shelter for Abused Women &
Children (SA WCC) approved on September 15,2009. This
amendment is to revise Exhibit A Sections A-the Scope, B-the
Budget, and C-the Project Milestone Schedule to contain updated
budget information in order to facilitate reimbursement.
10) Recommendation to provide after the fact approval for the submittal
of the Fiscal Year 2010 Continuum of Care (CoC) Grant application
in the amount of$413,441 to the U.S. Department of Housing and
Urban Development (RUD) for CoC programs assisting and
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benefiting the homeless population in Collier County. This grant
application has no effect on ad valorem or general fund dollars.
11) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign a
subrecipient agreement providing for a $35,000 State Housing
Initiatives Program (SHIP) grant to the Housing Development
Corporation of SW Florida, Inc. (HDC). This agency will provide
Homebuyer Education Counseling and Pre-Purchase, Extended Credit
and/or Foreclosure Prevention Counseling to benefit persons earning
less than 120% of Family Median Income of Collier County.
12) Recommendation to provide after the fact approval for the submittal
of a 2011 Older Americans Act Grants in the Services for Seniors
Program sponsored by the Area Agency on Aging of Southwest
Florida and approve the necessary budget amendments totaling
$545,000.
13) Recommendation to approve a Resolution of the Board of County
Commissioners of Collier County, Florida supporting the County's
Four Grant Applications to the Florida Department of Environmental
Protection (FDEP) for Long Range Grant Funding Requests for Fiscal
Year 2011-2012 and authorization of any necessary budget
amendments.
E. ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES
1) Recommendation to approve the purchase of Group Health
Reinsurance coverage for calendar year 2011 in the amount of
$687,648, a reduction of28.7%.
2) Recommendation to award RFP# 1 0-5442, Group Insurance Brokerage
and Actuarial Services to Will is of Tennessee, Inc., d/b/a Willis of
Florida in the estimated amount of $94,000 per year.
3) Recommendation to accept the Fiscal Year 2010 Grant Report
providing an annual update of grant funding activity.
4) Recommendation to accept the deed and approve transfer of title to
Habitat for Humanity upon payment of all County taxes, assessments,
and Code Enforcement hard costs relating to property located at 5408
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Carlton Street, Collier County, Florida.
5) Recommendation to approve a Resolution revising the Board of
County Commissioner's Policy for Operation of Lake Trafford
Memorial Gardens, by updating the cremation policy language for
unclaimed and unclaimed indigent deceased in Collier County.
6) Recommendation to accept reports and ratify staff-approved change
orders and changes to work orders.
7) Recommendation to award Bid #10-5581 - Motor Oils, Lubricants,
and Fluids to Combs Oil Company as primary vendor and Evans Oil
Company LLC, Florida Detroit Diesel-Allison Inc., and Palmdale Oil
Company Inc. as secondary vendors with total expenditures estimated
at $80,000 annually.
8) Recommendation to ratify Items #6, #9 and #10 from the November
Administrative Change Order Report.
9) Recommendation to develop regulations relating to public use of
County lands designated as preserves and to provide user fees for
private events conducted at preserves.
F. COUNTY MANAGER OPERATIONS
1) Recommendation to approve the annual renewal of a Certificate of
Public Convenience and Necessity for Advanced Life Support
Transport for the Collier County Emergency Medical Services
Department and authorize the Chairman to execute the Emergency
Services Permit and Certificate.
2) Recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners review
and approve the Fiscal Year 2011 Strategic Plan for the Naples,
Marco Island, Everglades Convention and Visitors Bureau (CVB) and
approve all necessary budget amendments.
3) Recommendation to approve Contract Amendment # 1 for Contract
#09-5321 Tourism Grant Agreement with Marco Island Historical
Society and Collier County to extend the agreement until September
30,2011 and authorize the Chairman to execute the contract
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amendment.
4) Recommendation to adopt a resolution approving amendments
(appropriating grant, donations, contributions or insurance proceeds)
to the Fiscal Year 2010-11 Adopted Budget.
5) Recommendation to accept report to the Board of County
Commissioners covering Budget Amendments from reserves in the
amount less than $25,000.
G. AIRPORT AUTHORITY
H. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
1) Commissioner Fiala requests Board approval for reimbursement
regarding attendance at a function serving a Valid Public Purpose.
Attended the Friends of the Library Annual Casino Night on
November 5, 2010 in Naples, FL. $35 to be paid from Commissioner
Fiala's travel budget.
2) Commissioner Fiala requests Board approval for reimbursement
regarding attendance at a function serving a Valid Public Purpose.
Attended the 2010 Golden Gate Citizen of the Year event at
Vanderbilt Country Club, Naples, FL on November 11, 2010. $40 to
be paid from Commissioner Fiala's travel budget.
3) Commissioner Coletta requests Board approval for reimbursement
regarding attendance at a function serving a Valid Public Purpose.
Attended the SCORE Annual Recognition Luncheon on December 6,
2010 in Naples, FL. $30 to be paid from Commissioner Coletta's
travel budget.
4) Commissioner Fiala requests Board approval for reimbursement
regarding attendance at a function serving a Valid Public Purpose.
Attended the Marco Island Historical Society Holiday Party and
Annual Meeting on December 7, 2010 in Naples, FL. $20 to be paid
from Commissioner Fiala's travel budget.
5) Commissioner Fiala requests Board approval for reimbursement
regarding attendance at a function serving a Valid Public Purpose.
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Attended the East Naples Civic Association Monthly Luncheon at
Hamilton Harbor Yacht Club on November 18,2010 in Naples, FL.
$18 to be paid from Commissioner Fiala's travel budget.
6) Commissioner Fiala requests Board approval for reimbursement
regarding attendance at a function serving a Valid Public Purpose.
Attended the Service Corps of Retired Executives (SCORE) Annual
Program Kickoff and Recognition Luncheon on December 6, 2010 at
Bear's Paw Country Club in Naples, FL. $30 to be paid from
Commissioner Fiala's travel budget.
7) Commissioner Fiala requests Board approval for reimbursement
regarding attendance at a function serving a Valid Public Purpose.
Attended the Marco Island Chamber of Commerce Christmas Gala on
December 5, 2010 on Marco Island, FL. $75 to be paid from
Commissioner Fiala's travel budget.
8) Commissioner Henning requests Board approval for reimbursement
regarding attendance at a function serving a Valid Public Purpose.
Attended 25th Anniversary Ritz Carlton, Naples event on December
3,2010 in Naples, Florida. $25 to be paid from Commissioner
Henning's travel budget.
9) Commissioner Coletta requests Board approval for reimbursement
regarding attendance at a function serving a Valid Public Purpose.
Commissioner Coletta attended the Leadership Collier Alumni
Holiday event on December 9,2010 in Naples, Florida. $35 to be paid
from Commissioner Coletta's travel budget.
I. MISCELLANEOUS CORRESPONDENCE
J. OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS
1) To obtain Board approval for disbursements for the period of October
30,2010 through November 5,2010 and for submission into the
official records of the Board.
2) To obtain Board approval for disbursements for the period of
November 6, 2010 through November 12, 2010 and for submission
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into the official records of the Board.
3) To obtain Board approval for disbursements for the period of
November 13,2010 through November 19,2010 and for submission
into the official records of the Board.
4) To obtain Board approval for disbursements for the period of
November 20, 2010 through November 26, 2010 and for submission
into the official records of the Board.
5) Recommendation to accept the report of interest for the fiscal year
ending September 30,2010 pursuant to Florida Statute 218.78 and
Purchasing Policy XII.E. For the year ended September 30,2010 no
interest was paid.
K. COUNTY ATTORNEY
1) Recommendation to approve a Retention Agreement for legal services
on an as needed basis with the law firm of Bryant, Miller and Olive to
meet County Purchasing Policy contract update requirements.
2) Recommendation to adopt a Resolution designating the proposed
North Collier Recycling Drop-Off Center, as the North Collier
Recycling Drop-Off Center/John A. Yonkosky Building.
3) Recommendation to approve a Stipulated Final Judgment in the
amount of $27,000 for Parcels 168FEE and 168TCE in the lawsuit
styled Collier County v. Scott Faunce., et aI., Case No.1 0-2684-CA
(Collier Blvd. Project No. 68056) (Fiscal Impact $22,905)
4) Recommendation to approve a Stipulated Final Judgment in the
amount of $241 ,000 for Parcel 125FEE in the lawsuit styled Collier
County v. Pascal J. Murray, et. aI., Case No. 07-4784-CA (Santa
Barbara Boulevard Extension Project #60091 (Fiscal Impact $44,471).
5) Recommendation to approve a Stipulated Final Judgment in the
amount of$29,250 for Parcels 159FEE and 159TCE in the lawsuit
styled Collier County v. Timothy Maloney., et aI., Case No.1 0-2690-
CA (Collier Blvd. Project No. 68056) (Fiscal Impact $18,750.50)
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6) Request by the Collier County Health Facilities Authority for
approval of a resolution authorizing the Authority to issue revenue
bonds for healthcare facilities at Moorings Park.
7) Request by the Collier County Industrial Development Authority for
approval of a resolution authorizing the Authority to issue revenue
bonds for healthcare facilities at Naples Community Hospital.
8) Request by the Collier County Industrial Development Authority for
approval of a resolution authorizing the Authority to issue bond
anticipation notes for healthcare facilities for a continuing care
retirement facility known as The Arlington of Naples.
9) Recommendation to authorize an amendment to Ordinance No. 75-16,
as amended, relating to the meetings of the Board of County
Commissioners, clarifying the timeframe for the election of a
Chairman and/or Vice-Chairman, as applicable, after the General
Election and designating who shall serve as the temporary Chairman
in the absence of the Chairman and Vice Chairman with respect to all
matters outside of meetings.
10) Authorize the County Attorney's Office to make an Offer of Judgment
to Respondent, DDRM Countryside, LLC, in the amount of$155,001
for the acquisition of Parcels 105 and 705 in the lawsuit styled Collier
County v. Highland Properties of Lee and Collier Limited, et aI., Case
No. 06-0563-CA (Santa Barbara Boulevard Project #62081). (Fiscal
Impact: $35,101 if accepted).
17. SUMMARY AGENDA - THIS SECTION IS FOR ADVERTISED PUBLIC
HEARINGS AND MUST MEET THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA: 1) A
RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FROM STAFF; 2) UNANIMOUS
RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL BY THE COLLIER COUNTY
PLANNING COMMISSION OR OTHER AUTHORIZING AGENCIES OF
ALL MEMBERS PRESENT AND VOTING; 3) NO WRITTEN OR ORAL
OBJECTIONS TO THE ITEM RECEIVED BY STAFF, THE COLLIER
COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, OTHER AUTHORIZING
AGENCIES OR THE BOARD, PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF
THE BCC MEETING ON WHICH THE ITEMS ARE SCHEDULED TO BE
HEARD; AND 4) NO INDIVIDUALS ARE REGISTERED TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION TO THE ITEM. FOR THOSE ITEMS, WHICH ARE QUASI-
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JUDICIAL IN NATURE, ALL PARTICIPANTS MUST BE SWORN IN.
A. Recommendation to approve Petition V AC-PL2010-772, to disclaim,
renounce and vacate the County's and the Public's interest of an unused
utility easement located over a portion of Lot 18 on the plat of Erinwood
Phase One, a subdivision according to the Plat thereof as recorded in Plat
Book 15, Pages 3 and 4, of the Public Records of Collier County, Florida,
situated in Section 8, Township 49 South, Range 26 East, Collier County,
Florida, and being more specifically depicted and described in Exhibit A
with the condition that a temporary construction easement to the Water-
Sewer District to access the utility facilities, upon request, will be granted
and run with land.
B. Recommendation to approve a resolution of the Board of County
Commissioners of Collier County, Florida, designating the Close-Out of ten
(10) adopted Planned Unit Developments (PUDs) which have fully
completed development pursuant to their development orders constructing
up to the authorized density and/or intensity and have been found by county
staff to be compliant with their specific developer commitments.
C. Recommendation to adopt an Ordinance amending Ordinance No. 92-60, as
amended, (Tourist Development Tax) to reallocate on a one-time basis
$1,000,000 from TDC Category A Beach Park Facilities Fund 183 to
Tourism Promotion Fund 184 for tourism destination marketing and
authorize all necessary budget amendments.
D. Sheriff request to the Board of County Commissioners to adopt a County
ordinance establishing a moratorium on the establishment of new pain
management clinics within Collier County while the County Attorney's
Office and County Staff, working with the Sheriff and other community
partners, analyze the needs and bring back to the Board at a future advertised
public meeting an ordinance that restricts or regulates pain management
clinics.
E. Recommendation to adopt a resolution approving amendments
(appropriating carry forward, transfers and supplemental revenue) to the
Fiscal Year 2010-11 Adopted Budget.
18. ADJOURN
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INQUIRIES CONCERNING CHANGES TO THE BOARD'S AGENDA SHOULD
BE MADE TO THE COUNTY MANAGER'S OFFICE AT 252-8383.
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December 14, 2010
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, you have a live mike.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Ladies and gentlemen, the Board of
County Commission meeting is now in session.
Will you please stand for the invocation by Father Duane Varas
from St. Paul's Episcopal Church.
FATHER VARAS: Let us pray. Blessed are you, God of the
universe, whose glory is everywhere.
We commend Collier County to your merciful care, that being
guided by your providence, we may dwell secure in your peace.
Grant to our commissioners and all in authority wisdom and
courage to know and to do your will, fill them with your love of truth
and righteousness and make them ever mindful of their calling to
serve the people of this county.
Almighty God, send down upon those who will participate in
these deliberations the spirit of wisdom, charity, mercy, and justice,
that with steadfast purpose, they may faithfully consider and promote
the wellbeing of all people. Help us remember that what we do to the
least among us we do to you, God.
Loving God, we ask especially your blessings upon our newest
commissioner to be sworn in today, that her service be a reflection of
your mercy and your justice. We humbly ask all these things of you,
God, who is creator, liberator, and sanctifier. Amen.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Please remain standing for the Pledge of
Allegiance.
(The Pledge of Allegiance was recited in unison.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you very much.
I'm now going to turn the proceedings over to our -- Mr. Ian
Mitchell.
Item #lB
SWEARING IN CEREMONY FOR COMMISSIONER HILLER,
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DISTRICT 2. THE SWEARING IN WILL BE CONDUCTED BY
FORMER STATE REPRESENTATIVE MARY ELLEN HAWKINS
AND THE CLERK OF THE CIRCUIT COURT, DWIGHT E.
BROCK. MEMBERS OF THE NORTH NAPLES FIRE DISTRICT
WILL PROVIDE AN HONOR GUARD - SWORN IN
MR. MITCHELL: Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Chairman,
Commissioners, on the 16th of November -- on the 16th of November,
this commission started a new portion of its life, and for the next two
years, we -- Commissioner Coyle has started a new term, and today
we're welcoming a new commissioner for District 2, Commissioner
Georgia Hiller.
And so now we're going to have, as is traditional, a swearing-in
ceremony for Commissioner Hiller.
Commissioner Hiller?
The swearing in ceremony is going to be conducted by Circuit
Court (sic) Dwight E. Brock and a famous Collier resident, Mary
Ellen Hawkins who, from 1974 to 1994, served in the legislature.
We have an Honor Guard as well of the North Naples Fire
Service.
Commissioner Hiller?
MR. BROCK: I would like to introduce a very wonderful lady ,
Mary Ellen Hawkins. She has been a mentor to Georgia Hiller, and
I'm so proud to have her with me to assist me in swearing in Ms.
Hiller.
Ms. Hiller, I will now administer the oath of office with the
assistance of former State Representative Ms. Mary Ellen Hawkins.
I would ask you to place your left hand on the Bible and raise
your right hand.
Ms. Hawkins?
MS. HAWKINS: Do I raise my hand?
MR. BROCK: Ms. Hiller, do you solemnly swear.
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COMMISSIONER HILLER: I, Georgia Hiller, do solemnly
swear.
MS. HA WKINS: That I will support, protect, and defend the
constitution and the government of the United States and of the State
of Florida.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: That's a long sentence. That I will
support, protect, and defend the constitution and the government of the
United States and the State of Florida.
MS. HAWKINS: That I am dually qualified to hold office under
the constitution of the state.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: That I am dually qualified to hold
office under the constitution of the state.
MS. HAWKINS: And that I will well and faithfully perform the
duties of county commissioner of Collier County, on which I am now
about to enter.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: And I will well and faithfully
perform the duties of county commissioner for Collier County, on
which I am now about to enter.
MS. HAWKINS: So help me God.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: So help me God.
MR. BROCK: Congratulations.
(Applause.)
MR. BROCK: Presenting you --
MS. HAWKINS: Something to hang on your wall.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: My oath of office. Thank you very
much.
MR. BROCK: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Where are my children? Children?
George?
Ladies and gentlemen, my children, Anna Hiller and George
Hiller. Couldn't do it without them.
(Applause.)
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COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you very much.
Item #IC
IN HONOR OF THE SWEARING IN OF COMMISSIONER
HILLER, DISTRICT 2, THE VILLAGE SCHOOL OF NAPLES
CHORALE WILL PERFORM A VERSION OF AMERICA THE
BEAUTIFUL - PERFORMED
MR. MITCHELL: Mr. Chairman, the next portion of it is, we're
honored today to have the chorale of the Village School who are going
to sing My America to the music of America the Beautiful. They'll be
led by their music director, Linda Swears.
(The presentation was given by the Village School.)
MR. MITCHELL: Mrs. Swears, if you could approach. The
chairman has a presentation for you.
MS. SWEARS: Where's the chairman? Do I go up?
MR. MITCHELL: This is a certificate to honor the fact that
they've sung so beautifully today to Commissioner Hiller's swearing
.
In.
And now Commissioner Hiller has some flowers to present.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: For Jennifer. Thank you. Head
mistress of the school.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER HILLER: And in the spirit of the season, we
also have something for the kids.
George, can you come up here? Thank you.
MR. MITCHELL: What Commissioner Hiller is going to present
to the children is the Constitution of the United States, and she's
signed it all in commemoration of today.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I just want to say thank you to all
of you who came today. I want to thank the Honor Guard from the
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North Naples Fire District and the Village School singers for making
this a very memorable event.
I'm here to serve and deliver. The office is officially open.
(Applause. )
MR. MITCHELL: Mr. Chairman, the meeting is now handed
back to you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you very much, Mr. Mitchell.
And congratulations, Commissioner Hiller.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. County Manager, do you have
any changes to the agenda for us today?
MR.OCHS: Yes, sir. Good morning, Commissioners.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Good morning.
Item #2A
TODA Y'S REGULAR, CONSENT AND SUMMARY AGENDA AS
AMENDED - APPROVED AND OR ADOPTED W/CHANGES
MR.OCHS: Agenda changes, Board of County Commissioners'
meeting, December 14, 2010.
First change is to withdraw Item 4A. It's a proclamation
recognizing December 14,2010, as Congressman Mario Diaz-Balart
Day. The congressman was unable to be here today. He had to be in
Washington, and we'll attempt to reschedule that at a time that works
for the congressman.
Next item is to move Item 16A8 from your consent agenda. It
will become Item 10H. It's a recommendation to direct staff to amend
the Collier County Land Development Code to allow one sandwich
board at the entrance door of a business establishment. This item is
moved at Commissioner Coyle's request.
Next change is to move Item 16A25 from the consent agenda to
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Item 101. It's a recommendation to review and accept the Ave Maria
Stewardship District Five- Year Fiscal Monitoring Report. That item
is moved at Commissioner Hiller's request.
You have two time-certain items, Mr. Chairman. Item 8B (sic)
will be heard at three p.m. today. That's at Commissioner Henning's
request. And Item 1 aD will be heard at 11 :30 a.m. this morning at
Commissioner Fiala's request.
I have two brief agenda notes. The first is, Item 8A references in
the agenda index being related to an Item 16A4. That reference was
made in error from a previous meeting, so we'll delete that at the staff
request.
And Item 16A13 should read as follows: Approve the scrivener's
error updating the information contained in change order number six,
not change order number seven, for the agreement between Collier
County and Van Buskirk, Ryffel, and Associates, Inc. That was at
staff s request.
That's all the changes I have this morning, Mr. Chairman.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Thank you very much, County
Manager.
County Attorney?
MR. KLATZKOW: No changes, Mr. Chairman.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Then we'll proceed to the Board
of County Commissioners. We will start with Commissioner Henning
this morning for any further changes to the agenda and for ex parte
disclosure only with respect to the consent agenda and summary
agenda at this time.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Good morning, Mr. Chair.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Good morning.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Congratulations, Commissioner
Hiller.
I would like to -- I have no ex parte communication on today's
consent or summary agenda, but I would like to move the change
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orders, which is Item 16E6, to the regular agenda, and I also would
like to move 16E8, recommendation to ratify item six, nine, and ten of
the November administrative change order report.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Thank you very much,
Commissioner Henning.
Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. I have nothing to change
as far as the agenda goes, and I have nothing to declare. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay, thank you.
And I have no further changes to the agenda, and I have no ex
parte disclosure with respect to the consent agenda or the summary
agenda.
Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. I just have a question for Leo.
Leo, were you able to make those changes that I mentioned, those
little spelling errors and things like that?
MR.OCHS: Yes, ma'am. We made those corrections.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. They're all taken care of.
MR.OCHS: Yes, ma'am. Thank you.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. Then I have no changes,
corrections, or additions to the agenda or -- to the consent agenda or
the summary agenda.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Thank you.
And Commissioner Hiller?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I have -- I have two ex parte
communications. One with respect to the Davis Reserve PUD,
meetings, emails, and staff reports.
And then with respect to PUDA-2007-AR-11961 represented by
Rich Y ovanovich, I've had meetings as well as staff reports.
And I have one comment with respect to the consent agenda, and
that is with respect to the industrial revenue bonds that we are
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proposing to approve today.
I would like to commend the entities, Moorings Park and NCH,
which have applied for industrial revenue bonds at no cost to the
taxpayer, no burden to the taxpayer. They are developing on their
own ticket. That's the way to go.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Thank you very much,
Commissioner Hiller.
Just for procedure, we will do the ex parte disclosure for the
regular agenda later also.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: We traditionally only take ex parte
disclosure for consent agenda and summary agenda at this time.
That, I think, concludes our changes, and I will accept a motion
for approval of the consent --
MR. MITCHELL: Sir, we have some speakers.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- the agenda, consent --
MR. MITCHELL: Sir, we have speakers to the--
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. How many speakers do we have
and on what items?
MR. MITCHELL: We have seven speakers.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Seven speakers on what items?
MR. MITCHELL: It is on 17 -- 17D.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: 17D, okay. Very well. Let's call the
speakers.
MR. MITCHELL: The first speaker will be Joseph Zaks, and
he'll be followed by Anne Frazier.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. If you would both come up, one
at each podium, we can move this along a little faster. And Mr. Zaks,
you'll be first.
MR. ZAKS: Okay. Good morning.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Good morning.
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MR. ZAKS: It's been a while since I've been here, and good to
be back again.
You have on the consent agenda an item which would put into
effect an ordinance banning pill mills, and I couldn't expect that
anybody would speak in opposition to that. You've probably heard an
awful lot of statistics. I thought I'd bring you a story.
Rick was born in 1991. And Rick was a pretty good student and
educated in Collier County. In December of2009, Rick was working
out at the gym and complained of a back pain, and the trainer said,
well, I have a pill that will take care of that. And Rick was introduced
to Oxycontin. His first pill was one-third of a 30-milligram pill.
By June of 20 1 0, Rick had been arrested twice; Rick had been in
the emergency room with an overdose twice. In June he was arrested
again and brought before the judge. And the judge heard his case, put
him on probation. By the way, it was Rick's birthday and -- when he
was arrested. And he went on probation, and within the next month
Rick had been in the emergency room three more times.
Approximately five weeks after going on probation with
Oxycodone, Roxicotin (sic) -- Oxycontin and Xanax in his system, he
passed out on Bayshore Boulevard and a tow truck almost ran him
over. It was three o'clock in the morning.
He went to NCH. That was his fifth emergency room visit. He
was arrested for violation of probation, possession of controlled
substances, possession of narcotics, paraphernalia, and a week ago
was released through the drug court program, a fantastic program.
Probably his last chance.
Statistically only 14 percent of the people who have his
experiences will return to normal life. Anything you can do to help
our children would be appreciated.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you very much.
MR. MITCHELL: The next speaker will be Viora Lilly (sic),
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and she'll be followed by Scott Salley. Viora Lilly?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Ms. Lilly (sic), you're going to be first.
MS. LITTLE: Good morning. Good morning commissioners
and --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Good morning.
MS. LITTLE: -- congratulations to Ms. Hiller.
I'm Viora Little. I'm a volunteer with Drug Free Collier and the
volunteer coordinator for a program called Operation Medicine
Cabinet, and I hope a lot of you have heard of it. It's a pharmaceutical
take-back program that alerts all citizens about the huge danger of
unsecured medicines in our households. Our message is, lock up all
your medicines at home and properly dispose of them.
Together with the Collier County Sheriffs Office who is here
today -- we couldn't run this program without it. Law enforcement has
been absolutely super and supportive and helps us in every way.
This moratorium today is another step towards public safety. It's
a red flag to those who would come to Collier County and practice bad
medicine. It is not, in any way, meant to distract or to regulate good
medicine. We have lots of good medicine here and many reputable
doctors here.
In fact, several of those doctors work hand in hand with Drug
Free Collier and the Collier County Sheriffs Office.
Dr. Marta Coburn, who's our medical examiner, is here today.
She's absolutely been unparalleled in what she does. Dr. Colfer, our
public health director, Dr. Paine, who's an anesthesiologist, all of these
people work hand in glove protecting our citizens.
I'm a past president of the Collier County Medical Society
Alliance. My husband, who's retired from neurosurgery, is the past
president of the Medical Society -- of the Medical Society as well. He
-- now both of us volunteer. I'm a nurse anesthetist by profession, so I
have really a lot of insight into the good use of drugs. This is not the
good use of drugs, and we need to stop it.
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Dr. Talano, who is the president currently of the Collier County
Medical Society, has tasked a Prescription Drug Abuse Task Force to
develop a proactive stance in our community.
Please consider this moratorium today as a step towards saving
lives in our community. Make no mistake, all of us have been touched
personally. I have two friends in anesthesia who died from accidental
drug overdoses, one of whom was pregnant at the time. I have three
grandchildren here in Collier County.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you.
MS. LITTLE: Any questions?
(No response.)
MS. LITTLE: Okay. Thank you so much.
MR. SALLEY: For the record my name is Scott Salley. I serve
as the current president of Drug Free Collier.
Chairman, Commission, Commissioner Hiller, my message is
very brief. We all know the downfall of elicit and illegal drugs, but
my comment this morning is based on geography. We're in a war.
We're in a multifaceted war against drugs of all type, and
unfortunately the main artery that runs through Collier County, 1-75,
connects to the largest area of transfer of prescription drugs and pill
mills, and that's Broward County. They know it, we know it. Ladies
and gentlemen, we're in a war we didn't choose, but by geography we
have to fight.
And the tactics we'll use is for another day, another time, and a
different uniform. But today I just hope that you understand our
location, and I'm sure you do, and what we have to do to win this war.
Thank you very much.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you, Scott.
MR. MITCHELL: The next speaker is Christine Holmes, and
she'll be followed by Marta Coburn, Dr. Marta Coburn.
MS. HOLMES: Good morning. My name is Christine Holmes.
I'm a licensed mental health counselor in the State of Florida. Thank
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you very much for your time this morning.
I've been working at the David Lawrence Center for over 14
years now in the area of treating substance abuse, both for children
and for adults.
And I'm here to plead to you all that this pill mill moratorium can
safe lives. We're seeing the devastating epidemic effects of
prescription drug abuse on our adults and on our children. Fifty
percent of the clients involved in the drug core program right now are
addicted to opiate medications.
So I hope that the story of Mr. Zaks is heart warming to you and
that we can save some lives. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you.
Dr. Coburn, good morning.
DR. COBURN: Thank you, Commissioners. And
Commissioner Hiller, welcome. I hope that you feel welcomed. You
certainly have been -- you ran a very successful campaign, and I think
this testimony this morning was very, very nice on your behalf.
I thank you for this opportunity . You know that in the 20 years
that I've been the chief medical examiner I've come before you very,
very few times, hardly ever, with the exception of the budget
meetings.
But I feel very strongly about this because I am a physician, and I
do have great insight. I think that medical examiners are tasked with
affecting change. That is why we study the dead so that we can help
the living.
And this issue is one of the things that I've proposed for myself as
one of the goals that I wanted to attain when I first took over as district
medical examiner. I knew that we had the tools and the information,
and we needed to use that effectively, but we could not do that alone.
It was far beyond my scope of expertise and my ability to reach all of
the sectors that we needed to reach.
And that is where Drug Free Collier has been extraordinarily
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successful. And with your help here today, it will be one step closer
to that means -- to that end.
We need to understand that this problem is multifactorial, as are
all difficult problems, and that this problem is not a law enforcement
problem, and it's certainly not a medical examiner problem.
The only problem this causes for the medical examiner is the fact
that we have to ask for an increase in our budget every year just to
cover the amount of drug tests that are required because of these drug
deaths.
Every year it causes this -- it costs this county thousands and
thousands of dollars in drug tests because we have to screen, we have
to verify those screens, and then we have to quantitate what is found
before we can determine what actually caused the death.
Weare not here today to come down on doctors nor are we here
to come down on legitimate businesses. We are here to stand against
the illegal and indiscriminate use of prescription pain pills which are
affecting our society.
Our young children will tell you, and the public at large will tell
you, that they have great faith in doctors, and they feel that when a
doctor writes a prescription, it's a legitimate prescription and
something that will not hurt you but is meant to help you.
Now, we understand that people will abuse drugs, but do we need
someone facilitating that? Do we need someone whose practice is
unethical? We don't need that in Collier County. I know that that is
not the kind of county that we have worked very hard to attain and to
keep. It impacts our businesses and it impacts our families.
And so I'm here today to urge you to vote for this moratorium.
Thank you very much.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you, Dr. Coburn.
MR. MITCHELL: The next speaker will be Lydia Galton, and
she'll be followed by Dr. Gregory Paine, who will be the last speaker.
MS. GAL TON: Good morning. I'm Lydia Galton. I'm president
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of the League of Women Voters.
First of all, I want to wish Georgia Hiller the best of luck.
And I will be very brief. The League of Women Voters fully
extends its support to Drug Free Collier and to the sheriffs office in its
effort to eradicate pill mills in our county.
It's obvious that young people are affected by drugs, but so are
older people, and the statistics show that the elderly are becoming
more and more and more addicted to pain kills -- killers, and they are
attaining them illegally.
So I think anything that you can do to help eradicate this problem
will be applauded by all of us. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you.
DR. PAINE: Good morning. My name is Gregory Paine, and
I'm a board-certified anesthesiologist, a pain management,
fellowship-trained, and board-certified physician.
I've been in Collier County for five years and had my training in
the military where I left as -- my last post as the assistant director of
the Navy's only fellowship program. I bring to my practice my
miliary ethos.
I've been working with the Collier County Sheriffs Department,
as well as last night -- I'm also a Lee County physician, and met with
Lee County law enforcement as they are considering a similar
proposal.
We, as physicians -- today I'm representing both the Collier
County Medical Society as well as the Lee/Collier County Chapter of
the Florida Society of Interventional Pain Physicians. We, as
physicians, have seen firsthand the carnage caused by the rampant
spread of prescription substance abuse and welcome the opportunity to
partner with law enforcement and local government to eradicate this
problem in our community; however, the urgency for action must be
balanced by a wise and prudent course of action.
In principle, we fully support the institution of a moratorium on
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new pain clinics in the county as an emergency measure until a
reasonable and effective ordinance can be formed. That ordinance
must not impede the practice of medicine but rather prevent the
establishment of criminal enterprises under the guise of providing
medical care.
We must allow law enforcement the tools to rest and be able to
prosecute those using a medical license as a front for trafficking in
narcotics.
Unfortunately the current moratorium language has got some
issues in it that affect legitimate pain physicians that I'd just like to
bring to the board's attention, too.
First of all, you have to understand that these criminals, these
medical charlatans out there, will continue to morph and find
loopholes in the law.
Senate Bill 2272 is already experiencing this. What you have is,
these physicians won't register as a pain clinic. They'll set up shop as
a family care clinic or as an urgent care clinic or some other nebulous
title and still run a prescription mill or a pill mill out of that. The
current language in the bill does not address that.
So I agree that this is a good start, but we're still going to have a
problem with these people setting up shop in our backyard.
They've even gone as far as to advertise on their front door that
they offer injections or physical therapy on site. That's just a ruse
because their clientele simply wants their medications.
Additionally, no protection is provided in the current moratorium
to take care of physicians whose practice disbands, in which case they
have to set up another practice, or for whatever reason they need to
move their practice, and there needs to be some allotment for that.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Doctor, your time has expired.
DR. PAINE: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Can you wrap it up? I'd like to get your
comments concerning this proposed ordinance in writing, if you
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would not mind. Could you spend some time giving us something in
writing concerning your recommendations for improvement of this
process?
DR. PAINE: Yes, sir. And the only request that I have is, as we
go forward that we, as the professional societies, be afforded a little bit
more time to help to formulate an ordinance that is going to -- so that
we can provide valuable input to create an instrument that is in the
best interest of patients, physicians, law enforcement, government,
and the citizens of Collier County.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you very much.
DR. PAINE: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: We appreciate your help. Thank you.
MR.OCHS: Mr. Chairman? Excuse me.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yes.
MR.OCHS: Sheriff Rambosk has asked for an opportunity to
address the board briefly, sir, on this item.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Sure.
SHERIFF RAMBOSK: Good morning, Commissioners --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Good morning.
SHERIFF RAMBOSK: -- Commissioners, new Commissioner.
The item before you is identified as a pain management
ordinance. That is not from the perspective that we're here to talk to
you about today . We're talking about pill mills coming to Collier
County, Florida. We're talking about a DEA study that two years ago
identified Florida as the pill mill state.
We have been ahead of prescription drug diversion for many
years now with regard to enhancing our enforcement, invoking
prevention programming, Drug Free Collier, and probably our greatest
asset, as Dr. Paine just mentioned, is working together with our local
physicians who are professional medical providers. That's not what
we're asking to look at here.
With the new legislation that will require a prescription
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monitoring system -- which we believed would have resolved why
we're here today and we would not have needed this except for the
fact that it's not being funded at this point because of the economic
downturn. That has got to be funded.
Our local legislators have supported it. We are going to ask them
to continue to support with funding. But until that time happens we,
as a community, need to stand up and say, we're not going to tolerate
this in Collier County.
In Broward County and on the east coast within a two-year
period, they went from 20 pain management clinics or pill mills, as I'll
call them, to close to 80. That's not necessary.
So with that in mind, we definitely want to work with our
medical professionals, your staff -- we want to thank your legal staff --
and we'd like to ask your approval to move forward.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you very much, SheriffRambosk.
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, before --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That's the last of our speakers?
MR. OCHS : Yes. Before you set your agenda, just go back to
the two changes from Commissioner Henning, for the record. 16E6
will become 10J on your agenda, and 16E8 will become 10K.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Move to approve the agenda as
amended, Mr. Chair.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. We have a motion by
Commissioner Henning to move the --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- to approve the agenda as amended,
second by Commissioner Coletta.
Any further discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, please signify by saying
no?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It passes unanimously.
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Agenda Changes
Board of County Commissioners Meeting
December 14, 2010
Withdraw Item 4A: Proclamation recognizing December 14, 2010 as Congressman Mario
Diaz-Balart Day. (Staff's request)
Move 16AS to 10H: Recommendation to direct staff to amend the Collier County Land
Development Code to allow one sandwich board at the entrance door of a business
establishment. (Commissioner Coyle's request)
Move Item 16A2S to 101: Recommendation to review and accept the Ave Maria
Stewardship District Five-Year Fiscal Monitoring Report. (Commissioner Hiller's request)
Time Certain Items:
Item 9B to be heard at 3:00 p.m. (Commissioner Henning's request)
Item 100 to be heard at 11:30 a.m. (Commissioner Fiala's request)
Note:
Item SA references in the agenda index being related to Item 16A4. This was noted in error.
(Staff's request)
Item 16A13 should read as follows: Approve the scrivener's error updating the information
contained in Change Order No.7 6 for the agreement between Collier County and Van
Buskirk, Ryffel and Associates, Inc. (Staff's request)
12/14/2010 8:45 AM
December 14, 2010
Item #2B
BCC REGULAR MEETING MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 26, 2010 -
APPROVED AS PRESENTED
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That brings us to the October 26,2010,
BCC regular meeting minutes. Are there any changes by members of
the board to the minutes?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Very well. Is there a motion to approve
the minutes?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Motion to approve.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Motion to approve by Commissioner
Coletta --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- second by Commissioner Fiala.
Any further discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It passes unanimously.
Item #2C
BCC/TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL WORKSHOP FOR
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NOVEMBER t 2010 - APPROVED AS PRESENTED
CHAIRMAN COYLE: November the 1st, 2010, BCC Tourist
Development Council workshop minutes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Motion to approve.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Motion to approve by Commissioner
Fiala, seconded by --
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Me.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- Commissioner Henning.
Any further discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It passes unanimously.
Item #2D
SELECTION OF A VICE-CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO TEMPORARILY SERVE UNTIL
THE JANUARY 11, 2011 BOARD MEETING - MOTION FOR
COMMISSIONER HILLER TO SERVE AS TEMPORARY VICE-
CHAIR UNTIL JANUARY 11,2011 - FAILED; MOTION FOR
COMMISSIONER COLETTA TO SERVE AS TEMPORARY
VICE-CHAIR UNTIL JANUARY It 2011 - APPROVED
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: That brings us to Item 2D, selection of a
vice-chairman of the Board of County Commissioners to temporarily
serve until the January 11, 2011, board meeting.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Mr. Chair, I make a motion that
we appoint Georgia Hiller, filling the term of second district, Frank
Halas.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: You know what, I had my button
on.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Oh, I'm sorry.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'm sorry. You can't see it probably
over these things. But I had -- I thought I was first on that.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah. That's probably my fault. I
should have seen it.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That's all right.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: And I apologize. The motion is on the
floor. Commissioner Henning has made a motion to appoint
Commissioner Hiller as the vice-chairman for the period between now
and January the 11th, 2011.
Is there a second?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Second by Commissioner Hiller.
Any further discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. There's two.
Any opposed, by like sign?
Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, aye, sorry.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: And so --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Can I just say why I'm opposed? I
feel it's not fair to her actually. She's been on the dais for 45 minutes.
It's just not fair to just hoist something like that on anybody when--
you know, when they've only begun. It's good to get yourself in -- you
know, to get the feel of the -- what you're doing. I mean, it's hard to
even know where the bathrooms are when you first start. I remember
when I started. I didn't know where in the heck to go.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That's the first thing I found out. That's
the most important thing you can learn here.
Okay. Is there another motion? Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. I motion Jim Coletta to be
vice-chair --
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Second.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- for one meeting.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Motion by Commissioner Fiala
for Jim Coletta to be the chair (sic) for the period of less than 30 days
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Vice-chair.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- or vice-chair for the period of less -- I
wish we could do the chair right now. Second by Commissioner
Henning.
All in favor, please signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Let me just say one more thing, if
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you don't mind.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It passes unanimously.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: When I first started on this -- and it
was a January meeting -- and somebody had nominated me to be
vice-chair, and I never got a second, and I sat there and waited and
waited. And finally I said, hearing no second, I said, I don't think that
that motion passes.
So I know what it feels like. It's -- but I was there for a little
while. So understand it is not about you. It's just the time frame.
Thank you.
Item #3
SERVICE AWARDS
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. That brings us to service awards.
County Manager and Mr. Mitchell, we're going to make the service
awards from here; is that correct?
MR. MITCHELL: Sir, there are no service awards today.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
MR.OCHS: No service awards.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: These are all for something different.
MR. OCHS : Yes, sir.
MR. MITCHELL: They are.
Item #4
PROCLAMATIONS - ONE MOTION TAKEN TO ADOPT ALL
PROCLAMATIONS
MR.OCHS: We're moving on to Item 4 on your agenda, sir. It's
proclamations.
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Item #4B
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING DECEMBER 14, 2010 AS THE
RITZ-CARLTON NAPLES DAY. ACCEPTED BY ED ST AROS,
VICE PRESIDENT AND MANAGING DIRECTOR OF THE RITZ-
CARLTON RESORTS OF NAPLES. SPONSORED BY
COMMISSIONER GEORGIA A. HILLER - ADOPTED
MR.OCHS: 4A was withdrawn, so it moves to 4B. It's a
proclamation designating December 14, 2010, as the Ritz-Carlton
Naples Day. To be accepted by Ed Staros and managing director of
the Ritz-Carlton Resorts of Naples. This proclamation is sponsored by
Commissioner Hiller.
Mr. Staros, if you could come forward, please.
(Applause. )
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you. Quite an accomplishment.
MR. STAROS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you very much.
MR. STAROS: We just hired 80 more full-time, in Collier
County, employees.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, you need to say that in a
microphone.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Oh, yeah. Be sure to announce that. But
first we need to get a picture of you, and then we're going to charge
you for a copy.
MR. STAROS: Thank you.
(Applause.)
MR. STAROS: We just had our 25th anniversary on December
4th, and I'm happy to say that as I'm standing here in front of you
today, 80 new Collier County employees are in orientation at the hotel
right now getting ready for our season.
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(Applause.)
MR. STAROS: And I predict it's going to be a very, very good
season. Thank you very much.
Thank you, Georgia.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you.
(Applause.)
Item #4C
PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING NORTHGATE CLUB
APARTMENTS FOR THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS
AND EFFORTS IN RECYCLING. ACCEPTED BY COLEEN
FERNANDEZ, MANAGER OF NORTHGATE CLUB
APARTMENT, DAN RODRIGUEZ, SOLID WASTE
MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR AND STAFF. SPONSORED BY
COMMISSIONER TOM HENNING - ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, 4C is a proclamation recognizing
Northgate Club Apartments for their continued contributions and
efforts in recycling. To be accepted by Coleen Fernandez, manager of
Northgate Club Apartments; Dan Rodriguez, Solid Waste
Management director and staff. This item is sponsored by
Commissioner Henning.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: You may as well hold them all while
we're taking a picture here. There we go. And here's a plaque.
MS. FERNANDEZ: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Do you want to say something?
MS. FERNANDEZ: I'd like to just say thank you very much,
and I just don't represent Northgate Club. I also represent Southwest
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Florida Apartment Association. And through our association, all of
our apartment communities in Collier County do recognize the
recycling program.
We also use a Nylon 6 recycling carpet that we also recycle.
And I'd like to just say thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you.
(Applause. )
Item #4D
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATION NOVEMBER 30, 2010 AS
CONSERVANCY OF SOUTHWEST FLORIDA DALTON
DISCOVERY CENTER DAY. ACCEPTED BY MS. LATIF,
CONSERVANCY OF SOUTHWEST FLORIDA. SPONSORED BY
COMMISSIONER GEORGIA A. HILLER - ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, 4 D is a proclamation designating
November 30,2010, as Conservancy of Southwest Florida Dalton
Discovery Center Day. To be accepted by Grant E. Fisher,
environmental education program supervisor. And this item is
sponsored by Commissioner Hiller.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: We need a picture.
(Applause. )
MS. LATIF: Hi. I'm not Grant Fisher, but I work with Grant
Fisher in the Education Department at the Conservancy of Southwest
Florida, and we're very excited about all of the wonderful changes
going on at our nature center, and I hope you all come by and see us.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you.
Item #5A
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PRESENTATION OF THE COLLIER COUNTY "BUSINESS OF
THE MONTH" A WARD TO MOORINGS PARK FOR DECEMBER
2010. ACCEPTED BY DAN LA VENDER~ CEO - PRESENTED
MR.OCHS: Commissioners, that takes us to Item S on your
agenda, presentations. SA is a presentation of the Collier County
Business of the Month Award to Moorings Park for December 2010.
To be accepted by Dan Lavender, CEO. Dan.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Dan, if you wouldn't mind, let me make
the presentation to you. And if you have members of your staff you'd
like to have come up here, please have them come up. I just -- I'm
sure Dan is going to tell you this, but Moorings Park has been an
important part of our community for over 30 years, been providing
very valuable continuing care for retirees in our community, and
they're a wonderful company, and we're glad to recognize them as the
Company of the Month.
So I will make this presentation to you, Dan, and express our
appreciation for the fine job you do. It's good to see all of you here
today.
(Applause.)
MR. LAVENDER: Again, we thank you for honoring Moorings
Park in this manner.
Just to tell you a little bit about Moorings Park, we are an A-plus
Fitch-rated continuing care retirement community. As Commissioner
Coyle talked about, we've been here over 30 years. We've been the
only A-plus-rated CCRC in the country since 2006. That's a testament
to our proactive and strategic board of directors, and to our
predecessor, Gunther Gosh, who joined the board after 17 years as
serving as the president and CEO in 2009.
We're the home to almost 700 residents in Collier County. When
you add in our home health and rehabilitation services, we serve over
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750 senior residents throughout Collier County.
We're located just south of Pine Ridge on Goodlette-Frank Road.
We are very much a mission-driven organization, and our mission is
to provide facilities and services and programs for successful aging
and to do it in a professional and compassionate manner. And when
we talk about successful aging, we take a holistic approach. We're
trying to develop programs and services that enhance the mind, body,
spirit and engagement with life of seniors.
We have an 83-acre campus. You can see on the screen a few of
our independent living apartments. Moorings Park's special because
it's a collection of residents that are active and thoughtful achievers
that know that they can continue to live in Collier County and Naples
with the finest healthcare available right on our campus.
We also have the Chateau that not only serves our residents, but
is also available for all the citizens of Collier County that have rehab
stay in a skilled nursing facility.
We've continued to grow since 2004 where we added 54
residents. We grew again in 2007 . We just broke ground again in
2010 for 29 new residences. We now have over 640 staff members.
And even with the economic downturn, that's grown by over 100 over
the last seven years, and will continue to grow with the new
independent living residences.
Here you can see a rendering of our new facility that had already
broken ground and is expected to open in mid 2012.
Giving back to the community is a core value that has been set by
our board of directors. We're very proud to have been the recipient of
the 2010 Communitas Award which recognizes community outreach
and the leaders and social accountability and giving, and giving back
to the citizens of Collier County will continue to be one of our core
values.
So again, we're honored to be recognized in this manner by the
Economic Development Council and by the County Commissioners.
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Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you very much, Dan.
(Applause.)
Item #5B
PRESENTATION OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE
OUTSTANDING MEMBER OF THE MONTH TO MAURICE
GUTIERREZ FOR HIS CONTRIBUTION TO THE BA YSHORE
BEAUTIFICATION MSTU - PRESENTED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, 5B is a presentation of the
Advisory Committee Outstanding Member of the Month to Maurice
Gutierrez for his contribution to the Bayshore Beautification MSTU.
Please come forward.
(Applause. )
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you.
MR. GUTIERREZ: If I may, Commissioners, just a quick thank
you for all the support we get from the commissioners in our behalf of
Bayshore and MS TU to bring Bayshore back into the reality of a
really nice place to live.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you for all the good work you do.
(Applause.)
Item #5C
PRESENTATION BY PARADISE ADVERTISING AND
MARKETING, INC., TO THE FREEDOM MEMORIAL FUND -
PRESENTED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, Item 5C is a presentation by
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Paradise Advertising and Marketing, Incorporated, to the Freedom
Memorial Fund.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: If you'd allow me just to make a quick
comment about this. Paradise Advertising has voluntarily contributed
a substantial sum of $50,000 to help us in the completion of the
Freedom Memorial, which you will recall is being built through
private funds at Freedom Park in honor of those killed in the terrorist
attacks of9/11 and for all of the members of our armed forces who
have made significant sacrifices to preserve our freedom.
We are greatly indebted to Cedar Hames and his staff at Paradise
Advertising, and they haven't stopped there. They're also providing a
contribution to the Marco Island Historical Society at some
appropriate time in the future to commemorate that significant
achievement by the people of Marco Island.
So Cedar, I invite you to come up and give me some money.
How about the members of the committee?
Thank you very much.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER FIALA: What does the sign say?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: It says 50,000.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, is that what it says? We never
get to see.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: One of the things I think that's
very important -- I mean, Commissioner Coy Ie is being very generous
recognizing everybody's efforts in this. But let's be honest about it, if
it wasn't for Commissioner Coyle, this project never would be where it
is today.
Thank you very much, Commissioner Coyle, for bringing it to
the point --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Jerry Sanford is chairman of our
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Freedom Memorial Task Force and has been responsible for a lot of
the hard work that got us to this point in time. So Jerry, please tell us
about this.
(Applause.)
MR. SANFORD: Thank you, Commissioner. On behalf of the
members of the Freedom Memorial Task Force and the citizens of
Collier County, I'd like to thank Mr. Cedar Hames for his generous
donation to our project.
The seed was planted in 2004 to construct a lasting memorial
here in Collier County. And once completed, the Freedom Memorial
will serve as a tribute to the spirit and character of every American
who has helped preserve our nation's freedom and remember all those
who were lost on September 11, 2001.
It will also serve as an important reminder of the sacrifices being
made every single day by the men and women on the front lines
around the world and here at home who are protecting us during this
time of peril.
It will become a gathering place not only for local residents, but
also for visitors who will pause and remember and pay tribute to the
enduring spirit of freedom. Never forget September 11, 2001.
Thank you very much.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you, Jerry.
MR.OCHS: Cedar?
MR. HAMES: There's not much I could add to that other than to
say we're very proud to be here and present this to an incredible
organization. And we've donated -- in the past we've been able to
donate manpower, but it's a real pleasure to be able to contribute this.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you very much. Your gift is
greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Item #5D
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RECOGNIZING NATALIE SMITH, FISCAL TECHNICIAN,
UTILITY BILLING AND CUSTOMER SERVICE, AS THE
EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH FOR OCTOBER 2010 -
PRESENTED
MR.OCHS: Commissioners, that takes us to Item 5D, which is a
recommendation to recognize Natalie Smith, fiscal technician, Utility
Billing and Customer Service, as the Employee of the Month for
October 2010.
Natalie, if you could come up, please.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Hi, Natalie, congratulations.
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, Natalie has been with the county
since 2006 working in our Utility Billing and Customer Service
section.
She's been instrumental in driving forward the Utility Billing and
Customer Service enterprise contact management project. This
proj ect requires that she captures, stores, and converts all of our paper
files into digital storage. She's a crucial player in the overall success
of her team and all of their educational outreach activities in the
community with our customers.
She's goes above and beyond to assist utilities ordinance
education and compliance investigators in the field.
She's always counted on to come through when there's a problem
and always willing to take on additional responsibilities whenever
asked.
She is, indeed, a team player, an asset to the county, and truly
deserving of this award.
Commissioners, I present to you Natalie Smith, Employee of the
Month for October 2010.
Congratulations, Natalie.
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(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you, Natalie.
MS. SMITH: Thank you.
MR. OCHS: Thanks, Natalie.
Item #5E
RECOGNIZING MICHAEL COX, SENIOR OPERATIONS
ANALYST, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES DIVISION, AS THE
EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH FOR NOVEMBER 2010-
PRESENTED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, 5E is a recommendation to
recognize Michael Cox, senior operation analyst with Administrative
Services Division as Employee of the Month for November 2010.
Michael, if you could come forward, please.
(Applause.)
MR. OCHS: Congratulations, Mike.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: There's a plaque and a check and --
MR.OCHS: Commissioners, Michael's been an employee of the
county since 2006 working in our Administrative Services Division.
He's considered one of the leaders of change management in our
organization.
Among many of his projects includes his efforts to eliminate
paper storage and use electronic records throughout the organization.
He's an active member of our Step-up Committee where he
works on different process improvement projects throughout the
county, excels at these projects by thinking outside the box and
finding ways to assist with technology in all areas of county
government, increasing efficiency and organizational effectiveness.
Again, Michael is one who's always positive, always working to
positively impact our agency, a true asset to the organization, and very
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deserving of this award.
Commissioners, it's my honor to present Michael Cox as your
Employee of the Month for November 2010. Congratulations, Mike.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you.
(Applause.)
Item #5F
RECOGNITIONS OF AWARDS TO THE COLLIER COUNTY
WATER DEPARTMENT; THE 2010 FLORIDA DEPARTMENT
OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION PLANT OPERATIONS
EXCELLENCE A WARD AND THE 2010 FLORIDA SECTION
AMERICAN WATER WORKS ASSOCIATION WATER
DISTRIBUTION AWARD - PRESENTED
MR. OCHS: Item 5F is recognition of awards to the Collier
County Water Department with the 2010 Florida Department of
Environmental Protection Plan Operations Excellence Award and the
2010 Florida Section American Water Works Association Water
Distribution Award.
Mr. Paul Mattausch, your director of the Water Department will
present.
MR. MATTAUSCH: Thank you, Mr. Ochs.
County Commission, good morning.
I would -- I would like to ask my plant -- south plant staff to
come up. And as they're coming up, I would like to read a statement
that the -- from the Florida Department of Environmental Protection.
There was -- there was nobody that could be here this morning to
make this presentation, but they did send me a statement that I would
like to read to you.
The Florida Department of Environmental Protection would like
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to congratulate the Collier County South County Regional Water
Treatment Plant for winning the Florida Department of Environmental
Protection Plant Operations Excellence Award for 2010.
We were proud to nominate the facility for this award, and we
are pleased to learn that this facility received the top honors.
The South County Regional Water Treatment Plant is an
impressive drinking water facility with a staff that is knowledgable,
courteous, and extremely helpful.
Our inspections staff in particular has been impressed when
visiting the facility this past years. The facility's maintenance
program is thorough and effective and the system source water wells
are consistently in good repair. This saves our inspectors a lot of ink
when preparing the inspection reports, which we think everybody can
appreciate.
Collier County has made it a point to keep the FDEP district
office informed of any maintenance work or abnormal events, and
they are always quick to respond when we request follow-up or further
information.
In this regard, we are very proud of the open communication that
Collier County has with the Florida Department of Environmental
Protection, and they should serve as a templet of helpfulness and
cooperation for other systems to follow.
The South County Regional Water Treatment Plant and its staff
has proven their reliability when it comes to quick and adequate
response to emergencies and their overall efficiency should serve as a
high watermark -- I don't think there was any pun intended there.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah, right.
MR. MATTAUSCH: -- but should serve as a high watermark for
large community water systems.
We are proud to regulate a system as helpful and efficient as the
Collier County South County Regional Water Treatment Plant and
look forward to another great year working with your excellent staff.
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Thank you, sincerely, Philip Reed, South District, Florida
Department of Environmental Protection.
And if I may, I'd like to ask our public utilities division
administrator, Jim DeLony, to join up here. And I want to -- I want to
show you this plaque that we received in Tallahassee from the Florida
Department of Environmental Protection.
And thank you, Jim. I appreciate that. I appreciate you coming
up here.
I'd like to just quickly introduce this team. This is part of the
south plant's team up here. From your left to right, Randy Lewis,
current interim plant manager; Timothy James, Terry Staller, Mike
Birmingham, Bob Galliher, Ray Ognibene, Mike Costanzo, John
Gillett, Kevin Lauper, and Steve Messner. And Steve was the plant
manager for about half of this period, and he's currently serving the
interim in the wellfield management team, and Pam Libby, our
operations manager. And I would like to -- I would like to have you
thank these people.
(Applause.)
MR. DeLONY: Get as tight as you can now. Better the picture.
The closer together, the better the picture. There you go, Paul.
Thank you, everyone.
Thank you, Commissioners.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER FIALA: You know, just before everybody
leaves. I just want to say -- if you don't mind me butting in a little bit.
If anybody hasn't taken a tour of the South County Water Treatment
Plant, it's a treat. You walk in there, and the thing is sterile
practically. It's so clean and so well organized, and everybody is
friendly and helpful.
And I'm taking another tour, by the way, of their water plants,
because I think it's a -- it's something everybody in our county ought
to see.
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So thank you for a great job, fellows. Thank you so much. And
Pam. Fellows and Pam.
(Applause.)
MR. MATTAUSCH: Thank you, Commissioner Fiala. We're
looking forward to having you visit.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, great.
MR. MATTAUSCH: I would like to introduce Richard
Anderson to you. Richard Anderson is the current chair of the Florida
Section of the America Water Works Association.
Richard?
MR. ANDERSON: Thank you, Paul. As he said, my name is
Richard Anderson. I'm the chair of the Florida Section of the
American Water Works Association.
I want to thank you for giving me just a few minutes today to
bring some more good news on your utility department and some
well-deserved recognition for your staff.
It is my privilege to be here today to present Collier County with
our prestigious Water Distribution System Award. Since 1989, this
award has been presented by our Manufacturers and Associates
Council on behalf of our 2,600 members.
Collier County Water Department was selected for this honor in
recognition of your outstanding performance in the following areas:
Water quality, operational records, maintenance procedures,
professionalism in your public relations and customer service areas,
safety programs, emergency preparedness, and cross-connection
control.
Your utilities should be congratulated for these achievements and
for achieving recognition from industry leaders.
So at this time it is my great pleasure to present the Florida
Section A WW A Water Distribution System Award for division six to
Collier County for 2010.
(Applause.)
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: There's no photographer. They ran out of
film.
MR. DeLONY: I'll just wave.
(Applause.)
MR. MATT AUSCH: Richard, thank you very much for being
here this morning and for presenting this award.
By the way, this award was given in Orlando at the Florida
Section meeting on, I believe it was, December 2nd.
MR. ANDERSON: Correct.
MR. MATTAUSCH: And on December 7th we received the
plant award in Tallahassee. To get one or the other of these awards is
really a significant accomplishment. To get both in the same year, as
a couple of the people said with DEP and with the Florida Section of
American Water Works Association, we must be doing something
right.
I would like to thank this board for your continued support in the
treatment and distribution of high-quality drinking water to our
customers.
I've taken every opportunity in front of this board to boast a little
bit about your Water Department team, and these were not just empty
words, as you've seen this morning.
Our regulatory agency, the Florida Department of Environmental
Protection, and the Premier Professional Association for Water
Professionals in the State, the Florida section of the American Water
Works Association, have confirmed what I've been saying all along,
we really are the best in the state.
Thank you very much.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you very much, and
congratulations to you and the entire department. Thank you.
Is there any significant award you have not received?
MR. MATTAUSCH: We're working on that, Commissioner.
And actually, in winning the award from the Florida Department of
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Environmental Protection, we move on to the southeast EP A region.
And so we're keeping our fingers crossed, Commissioner.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Good, good. Keep up the good work.
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, before we move on to Item 6 on
your agenda, I failed to ask the board for a motion and second on your
proclamations this morning.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Move to approve the
proclamations.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Motion by Commissioner Henning to
approve the proclamations, seconded by Commissioner Fiala.
Any further discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It passes unanimously. Thank you.
Now, County Manager.
Item #6A
PUBLIC PETITION REQUEST BY RANDY JOHNS OF PHOENIX
ASSOCIATES OF SOUTH FLORIDA, INC., REQUESTING A 12-
MONTH EXTENSION OF THE PYLON SIGN AT THE FLORIDA
SPORTS P ARK- MOTION ALLOWING AN EXTENSION UNTIL
THE BRIDGE IS WIDENED OR THE LAND OWNER AGREES
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TO RELOCATING THE SIGN AND STAFF TO BRING BACK AS
A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM - APPROVED
MR.OCHS: Yes, sir. That moves us to Item 6 on your agenda,
public petitions. 6A is a public petition request by Randy Johns of
Phoenix Associates of South Florida, Incorporated, requesting a
12-month extension for the pylon sign at the Florida Sports Park.
MR. JOHNS: Good morning, Commissioners.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Good morning.
MR. JOHNS: Randy Johns, Phoenix Associates.
As you know, the sign that we have at Florida Sports Park has
been there since 1984. Mike Davis was the one that installed it
through Signs Tech. The county cannot find the permit; neither can
we.
So code enforcement has put us in violation. I came to you guys
last year and got an extension of our variance for 12 months. It runs
out this month.
Weare under negotiations with the new landowner right now to
find a new location for our sign on 951. We have not completed that
contract yet, but it is in the near future. So I'm asking you guys now
to give us an extension until the widening of the bridge going into the
Florida Sports Park proceeds.
South Florida said that we could leave it there until that bridge
widens. That permit's been approved now, but they don't know when
it's going to go forward -- because of the economic turndown, they
don't know when the construction's going to start there. So it could be
one year, it could be five years. I don't know.
So I was just asking if we could keep our sign there until the
widening of that bridge.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Thank you.
Commissioner Henning and Commissioner Coletta, would you
like to hold your questions until after the staffs response, or do you
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have something you'd like --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Oh, no. That's fine. I have no
problem.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: No, I have a problem with that.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Just real quick. Ifwe're waiting
for South Florida Water Management to widen the bridge, why don't
we extend the request, not for one year -- and I appreciate, Randy,
seeing you every year on this issue -- but why don't we direct staff to
extend it until the bridge is widened?
MR. JOHNS: That's what -- we would like that.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Mr. Casalanguida?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure. For the record, Nick
Casalanguida, Commissioners.
I've spoken with the Water Management District. They have no
objection. Staff does not have any objection either. If it's the board's
direction, I'll bring it back as a summary agenda item. Typically we
won't do this on public petition. I'll just bring back a one-pager, and
we can put that language in there, and you could act as the Zoning
Board of Appeals and make that motion if you want.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Could I suggest a potential modification
to that? He's in negotiations with the adjacent -- an adjacent property
owner.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Ifhe negotiates a location with the
Naples property owner, that will be solved, and so we could say the
earlier of the two things, either he negotiates a location with the new
property owner or until the bridge is widened. Would that be
acceptable to you, Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Job well done.
MR. JOHNS: Yeah, that would be fine.
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MR. CASALANGUIDA: Happy to bring it back as a summary
agenda item.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Staffs okay with that?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay?
MR.OCHS: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Then could we make that Commissioner
Henning's motion?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I'll make that in the form of a
motion.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: And we have a second by Commissioner
-- was it --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Hiller.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- Hiller? Okay.
Commissioner Coletta, you had a question?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah. Well, basically it
followed -- the same thing I was following with working with Randy
for some time that the best way to go, for the simple reason is, they
don't own the property the sign's on now. It's extenuating
circumstances that do not apply. And it's very important to note that
this is -- it's not something that's special privileges for Florida Sports
Park. It's special circumstances that exist. So it's not granting a
special privilege that will cause a run on the bank that may throw our
whole system off.
But I think it's a very good idea that Nick Casalanguida brought
forward, that we bring it forward as a regular agenda item so that if
there is anyone that has an objection, they can raise it, although I can't
picture anyone having an objection. And this should be something
that would be permitted for whatever period of time it takes to either
have the bridge replaced by Water Management, at which time they'll
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demand the sign be removed, or that the property becomes available
through negotiations, which are ongoing at this point in time, for
another location for the sign along 951.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Great.
Any further discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: The motion passes unanimously.
MR. JOHNS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you. Mayas well stay there.
Go ahead, County Manager.
Item #6B
PUBLIC PETITION REQUEST BY RANDY JOHN OF PHOENIX
ASSOCIATES OF SOUTH FLORIDA, INC., REQUESTING A 48-
MONTH PAYMENT PLAN FOR IMPACT FEES FOR NEW HOPE
MINISTRIES - STAFF TO BRING BACK AT A FUTURE BCC
MEETING WITH AL TERNA TIVES AND ISSUING A
TEMPORARY CO - APPROVED
MR.OCHS: Yes, sir. 6B's a public petition request by Randy
Johns of Phoenix Associates of South Florida, Inc., requesting a
48-month payment plan for impact fees for New Hope Ministries.
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Mr. Johns?
MR. JOHNS: Thank you. I'm here to represent the New Hope
Ministries today.
Back in 2006 I applied for a permit to build a multi-purpose
building at New Hope. At the time that we applied, we said that it was
going to be an accessory building to our main church.
During the process of us building this multi-purpose building, we
were to enlarge our sanctuary. But due to the economic turndown, we
have not been able to finance that construction, so we have not started
it.
Today we are ready to pick up our CO for our multi-purpose
building, and the impact fees that now are going to be required to be
paid because we didn't enlarge our sanctuary -- or we have to sign an
affidavit we're not going to rent to the public or bring anyone into the
building unless they're members.
So I'm coming today to ask you guys to give us a payment plan.
I would like to revise that to a ten-year payment plan because it's
$245,000, and right now the church doesn't have it.
Our loan has matured, and we can't go back and revise it. And
we just need some help, because I've got them in a situation now
where they've got a big building to finished. They can't open that
building unless I pay the impact fees, and we don't have the money
right now. So I'm just coming to you guys to try to help me get out of
this situation.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah. I'd like -- you want to ask a
question before the staff makes a presentation?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, go ahead. I was going to
ask questions of staff that would lend towards a presentation.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All right. Your chance is hitting now.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Thank you. Appreciate it.
Nick, when we're talking about impact fees, of course one of the
concerns that the county would always have is the fact that, how do
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you grant an exception? What would be the reason for a special
exception without opening up the doors for the rest of the community
in such a way that would raise all sorts of problems in bringing in a
revenue stream that would be predictable?
I would assume that there's several different ways to do it, and I
would like to hear from you, and if it sounds like there's something
that we can work with, I'd like to make a motion at that time to bring
this back for the regular agenda at a future meeting.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure. I think first he's got to -- the
Certificate of Occupancy's waiting to be picked up. We could issue a
TCO if it was the board's direction, a temporary certificate.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Can you speak up a little bit more --
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- Nick. We're not picking you up. Is
the mike on?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yeah. I don't think the mike's picking
up, Commissioner. There it goes.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: No, that was mine.
MR. OCHS: Try the hand-held. Speak right into it.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: I think that's working. The first issue
is the temporary CO. We could issue that with the board's direction.
With regard to the impact fees, we always risk, when you have
under public petition, people requesting payment plans that don't fall
into the typical ordinance deferrals or things like that.
Amy has said -- and I'll let her elaborate a little bit more in a
minute -- that we can look into the requirement for charitable
organizations. They may qualify based on some new information we
received.
The issue is, if you're going to want us to look at this as an
option, I'd like to bring it back and tell you what the impact would be
for all charitable organizations rather than, you know, looking at this
just right now as a public petition.
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So if we issue the TCO, that would give you 90 days to look at
that. We may find that they qualify under the existing ordinance, and
that would solve everything. If they do not and you wanted us to
bring back some ideas of how to work with charitable organizations
on a payment plan, two things I want. You know, are you asking me
to do it for all impact fee categories or just, you know, roads? But I
think he's got more than roads in terms of this building.
But that's where we are today right now, and I could do that
within 90 days if so directed.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah. If I may, I got--
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Coletta, go ahead.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah, if I may finish up.
Nick, there's some -- we'd have to recognize some sort of a
special circumstance to be able to bring us to that point. And I believe
that special circumstance is, what would be the public benefit? And
the public benefit would be is that, for reasons that I'm not sure why,
they spent a considerable sum of money to harden this building and to
make it a hurricane shelter that will be used by the community.
So when this is brought back, if my fellow commissioners agree
to do so, could you work that into the equation to see if that would
suffice for a public benefit?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: I could. I think we talked about
looking at nonprofits. Again, whenever we start doing deferral
programs --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: I understand.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: -- or payment plans, we risk that. But
I think we'll bring you back a full report, and I will look at that as an
option.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And I, as one commissioner,
would like to see it come back with the idea that we have the -- we
have an obligation to continuously review what we're looking at, not
that we're going to change it, but to be able to see what the other
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options are that are out there, and I would make a motion to bring it
back.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Motion by Commissioner
Coletta, and a second by Commissioner Fiala, to bring this back for a
regularly scheduled meeting.
Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Nick, why wasn't the impact
fees collected at permit?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: I believe we had put a permit hold on
it because they were coming in with the second building, and that's the
way it was set up in terms of the -- we would not issue the CO unless
the impact fees were paid.
And I think Amy might have a little more background on that.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah. You're not supposed to
issue permits until the impact fees are paid.
MS. PATTERSON: That's correct. Amy Patterson, for the
record.
The circumstance with this -- and we've been working with the
applicant since the site plan process. This was classified as an
accessory building. It was going to have only overflow seating in the
interim period until they permitted the sanctuary expansion, and it was
not going to be used for outside people, only for church activities. So
we have had this situation before.
When classified as an accessory building, they do not -- they're
not subject to impact fees because they don't create additional
demand. The CO hold was placed on the permit to ensure that they
had applied for the sanctuary expansion prior to the CO of this
building. And they came to us and explained their situation that
they're not moving forward with the sanctuary expansion and they've
had some opportunities to use a portion of this building for some
public activities. And so intention has changed from that at site plan
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and building permit.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Right. Okay. Now I
understand. Well, it is an accessory use to the church, and I don't
know of a church that doesn't invite the community in.
So to me it sounds like it's a misunderstanding, you know, the
application of this building.
The impact fees are supposed to be collected at permit. Because
of the misunderstanding, now it is found money by the county. We
wasn't anticipating these funds, so it's an added value because of the
misunderstanding.
So I don't know why we're going to take a look at making a
policy for all not-for-profits when the real issue is, it was a
misunderstanding, the county's now going to collect extra impact fees.
I would rather see this as a special exception because of errors on
both parts.
Mr. Klatzkow?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: We should just bring this back.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: We can deal with those details when we
bring it back.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Well, you know, we're talking
about deferrals of impact fees for not-for-profits, and I have a little bit
of a concern about that because in our CD -- CBG (sic) funds or our
housing funds, we defer payments, and over and over again we're
having to amend that because of, gee, I didn't know or, hey, because
of the economy I don't have the funds. I think that we need to deal
with this issue and this issue only.
Mr. Klatzkow?
MR. KLATZKOW: Well, I'm always concerned when we defer
impact fees, especially for nonprofits, because then we come to you
saying, we need to foreclose on a church, we need to foreclose on a
housing project, and it's very -- it makes it very difficult for the board.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Right.
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MR. KLATZKOW: The item needs to come back because
there's a lot of facts here. You may be right, sir; they may not have to
pay impact fees under the ordinance. We'll have to sit down with the
applicant and go through it and make sure. And staff will make the
determination, we'll review it, and we'll come back.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. Well, I understand Mr.
Johns wants to -- again, that church always welcomes the community.
MR. JOHNS: Absolutely.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: That's what it's all about, a
church, is to bring people in to God. So obviously it was a
misunderstanding on both sides.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Before I speak, it looks like Mr.
Casalanguida has a comment.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Well, I think we look at each use
whenever there's an impact fee. If it is an intensification of demand
on infrastructure, that's the way we look at it. And we've always been
pretty -- I don't want to say the word lenient, but if it's an ancillary
use, then it's not an intensification. If it's a primary use, then they
would pay impact fees.
So we can look at that with what their intended use is, and if it is,
that's the case, then we would -- they wouldn't pay the impact fee. But
if it becomes a primary use under the ordinance, then they would pay
that fee.
Now, what I mentioned to Amy in a sidebar is that if they paid
the fee and then they went to a primary structure and this became an
ancillary use, that credit could be applied to the primary structure.
So either way they would get the benefit. We would just want to
look at it consistent with the ordinance.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: That's fine.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I would like to add a comment,
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and that is, I agree with Mr. Klatzkow; there is a fundamental risk to
deferring impact fees, not only legally, but from the perspective of the
county's finances.
In effect, the county is being asked to carry the capital cost of
those impact fee deferrals, and that has to be factored in our
budgeting, and I don't think that is.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: We do collect it. We do consider
interest with --
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Do you?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes, we do. We would as part of this.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: You're welcome.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. We have a motion, I think,
although it hasn't been clearly stated. We have a motion to bring this
back for a full public hearing where the staffwill present appropriate
alternatives.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Understood. I just want to -- is it ten
years you were asking for?
MR. JOHNS: Yeah, ten years. Now, my other option to this is, I
go ahead and sign this affidavit that's saying that, you know, we're not
going to go out to the public and, you know, who's going to monitor
that now and tell us that every person that comes there has to be a
member? I mean, I can sign. I didn't want to go that route, but if
that's the only choice I have to get a CO, then I'll sign the affidavit.
But then whose job is it to monitor our members?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Well, I think we'd look at that. I
mean, that's one of the things -- discussions we'll have. If the intent is
to sign an affidavit, and then the intent for a church is not to provide
an intensification, we usually -- you know, we take that--
MR. JOHNS: Well, it's not our intent, but right now we don't
have the $245,000. I don't have the option, and I'm going to be forced
into signing this affidavit, because a TCO is fine, but also in your
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motion you didn't mention anything about our TCO, so I'd like to
revise that.
But that TCO's not going to help me with the bank and payoff
our subs, and that's where I have another issue right now is trying to
figure out how to get past that.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Commissioners, I think within 90 days
we can figure this out, so --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah, of course you can. I mean, we
can't deal with all those problems today. The way this works is that we
generally don't make decisions on public petitions. We merely hear
them to see if we should bring them back for a full hearing, because
there are other people in the community who might want to have
something to say about the decision we might make. So trying to
make a decision on the fly today is not in the public's best interest.
So we've got a motion, and -- to bring it back, and I think that
motion will pass. But the one thing you have to remember, as we
discussed yesterday, is you mentioned the possibility of using the
building for the purpose of generating rental income for people who
wanted to use it for special purposes.
MR. JOHNS: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That's something that tends to take it out
of the realm where you're merely inviting the public to attend your
religious services.
So there's a distinction there that needs to be considered, and we
need to develop an appropriate policy to deal with. And I think the
staff and the commissioners are fully supportive of trying to find a
solution for you.
MR. JOHNS: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: So we have a motion to bring this back
for an advertised public hearing and staff to present alternatives.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: And issue a Temporary Certificate of
Occupancy.
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yes, yes.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Very good.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Very good.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Is that suitable?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Do you want to call this a motion
from Commissioner Henning since he first brought the issue up, and
seconded by Commissioner Coletta, or is it vice versa?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, no. I--
COMMISSIONER FIALA: He made the motion.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: He made the motion and
Commissioner Fiala seconded.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All right. Commissioner Coletta --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you for trying.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, I was just trying to clarify it.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Oh, no. I'm sorry. I'm thinking
of the last motion. I made the motion and Commissioner Fiala
seconded it.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner Coletta made the
motion, Commissioner Fiala seconded it.
All in favor -- is there any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It passes unanimously.
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Thank you.
MR. JOHNS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Good luck.
We're going to take a ten-minute break. We'll be back here at
10:42.
(A brief recess was had.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: County Manager? We have a quorum.
Item #9A
STATUS REPORT ON THE POTENTIAL JACKSON
LABORATORY PROJECT - PRESENTED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, that takes us to Item 9 on your
agenda, Board of County Commissioners. 9 A is a status report on the
potential Jackson Laboratory project.
Commissioner Coyle--
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
MR. OCHS: -- has asked for this item.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Can I ask a question before you
begin?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Could I ask who hired the extra
court stenographer here? She doesn't seem to know who hired her,
and I was just wondering why she's here. It would just be nice to
know, because this is a matter-of-public-record meeting, and so it
would be nice to know who hired her.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Transparency is wonderful.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Nobody knows.
MR.OCHS: I have no idea, sir.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Anybody know?
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MR. KLATZKOW: I could take a guess, but I have no idea.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, no guesses. We would want to
know.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: You're very welcome here.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, so much for transparency.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. We're happy you're here, it's
just, we would love to know why you're here.
THE COURT REPORTER: So would I.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Can we find out?
MR. OCHS: You can ask her.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well, she doesn't know who sent her
she said. She's just getting paid from the office.
MR.OCHS: We will-- we will attempt to find out, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay, thank you. I'm just curious.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Nothing wrong with curiosity.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Unless you're a cat.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. I am going to give a status report.
It will be brief. It will be nothing more than any of you have read so
far in the newspaper and seen in my interview with the editorial board.
As you will recall, the legislation that was passed by the past
legislature approved a certain amount of money to support the Jackson
Labs project this year with promises of future increments of money
over the next two years. Not a particularly ideal situation for us
certainly.
But the procedure was very clearly spelled out. The state would
accomplish their responsibilities, and that is the Enterprise Florida
organization, which works directly for the governor would conduct an
analysis of the project to determine if it is economically feasible and is
worthy of getting the state dollars.
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And if that happened, the Office of Tourism, Trade and
Economics Development would negotiate a contract with Jackson
Laboratories, and once that OTTED contract was negotiated, Collier
County would get their opportunity to conduct an analysis of the
economic justification for committing money to the project. And then
if we found that it was positive, then we had the opportunity to
negotiate a contract with Jackson.
Well, it's never gotten to the county. And we have, in the past,
taken a position that we would stand ready to perform on our
obligations under the legislation to make a fair and complete
evaluation of the project itself.
There have been allegations that Jackson Laboratories has not
applied for the funding, and that is simply false. That idea was
generated because of a misleading letter from the Office of Tourism,
Trade, and Economic Development. The director of that agency said,
we have not received the application. Well, of course, the director of
that organization did not say that it was still in Enterprise Florida for
evaluation.
So the Jackson Labs has been following the procedure, albeit
apparently very slow, and the responsibility for that is not mine to
determine. But the point is that it -- the project has never made its way
out of Enterprise Florida. And once it goes out of Enterprise Florida,
it will go to OTTED, and then we will get our chance.
So as a result of all that, Collier County took the position several
months ago that we would not begin negotiations with Jackson Labs
until we had all of the information that we had requested in order to
perform an effective economic evaluation, nor would we begin
negotiations until we had seen all of the contracts that Jackson Labs
had signed, to include OTTED, Enterprise Florida, the contract with
the landowners, and any other contracts they might have signed. And
obviously, they cannot provide any of that information now, so we are
waiting until something happens.
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The -- with the change in administration, that project is right back
where it was late last year. And Governor Scott will have an
opportunity once he takes office to make a decision as to whether or
not the state wants to proceed with this project. And if they do, then I
would expect that this session of the legislature would like to have
something about how they do that.
So it's entirely possibly we'll go through an entire session of the
current legislature to make a decision as to how and to what extent the
state would participate in that.
So the point is that the project could go forward, but there are a
number of obstacles, as I have said from the very beginning, a number
of very serious obstacles.
So we are waiting for the people who are supposed to make
decisions in Tallahassee to make the decisions. If they make the
decision not to proceed, we will make the decision not to proceed, I
would presume.
But my personal recommendation to the board is that we not
undercut either the governor or the legislature by initiating an early
termination at a time when we're not sure what they're going to do.
Our entire legislative delegation went to bat in Tallahassee to try
to get funding to diversify the economy of Collier County. They
performed a remarkable job in Tallahassee getting that legislation, and
it would be a slap in the face of every legislature (sic) -- every
member of the legislature who was on our side in getting that
legislation passed.
So at three o'clock today, at Commissioner Henning's request, a
time certain, he will make -- or he's notified me that he will make a
motion that we terminate our involvement with Jackson Labs.
So I would encourage that you be here at three o'clock and we'll
debate that. There is no public input on the status report because it's
not an action item. There's no vote. There's absolutely nothing
associated with this until we get to Commissioner Henning's motion
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this afternoon at three o'clock.
So do the board members have any questions? Commissioner
Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: All persons wishing to speak on
items on the agenda must register prior to speaking. Speaker must
register with the county manager prior to presentation on the agenda
item to be addressed.
I don't see prohibitive of staff -- or the public from speaking on
an item if it's just a status report.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I have -- we have never had public
speakers on status reports to the recollection of the county manager or
the county attorney.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Well, I think that we should
notify the public of how you want to conduct the meeting.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I just did.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: In writing, because this was
advertised in circulation in the Naples Daily News.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Henning, we do not take
public speakers for public petitions.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Can we direct?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It's not -- you can make a motion that we
hear the public if you wish.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: No, can we direct? I -- just so
the public is clear, and if we want transparency, can we direct the staff
to change our public notification process?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: You can make a motion and let the board
vote on that.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. I don't want to. I think
it's imperative of good government for the public to be -- participation
in the public process.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: The public can participate in this process
at -- under the title of public input at the end of this meeting, or they
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can speak at those action items at the time that action is being
considered.
Okay. Do you want to make a motion of some kind?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Mr. Chairman, if you don't want
the public to speak on your item, I honor your wishes. I just hope that
in the future we can stick to what is advertised. That's all.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, we are.
MR. CHANDLER: Mr. Chairman, I was the one. I don't know
how many signed up to speak at Item 9. I would certainly like to speak
then prior to Mr. Henning's --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Absolutely.
MR. CHANDLER: That's the one --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That's the action item.
MR. CHANDLER: Fine. I just wanted to clarify. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah. Absolutely. Anybody who is
interested in speaking about this issue can speak at it at the action
item, which is the time we're supposed to be speaking about it. And
we -- if that's not convenient for you, you can speak under public
comment at the end of the meeting. That's why those things are
scheduled that way.
So -- very well. That brings us to 9- --
MR. MITCHELL: Mr. Chairman, could I -- sir, we have two
speakers registered. Mr. Chandler and Mr. Billington. So I've moved
both those public speakers to Item 9B, which will be heard at three
o'clock.
MS. MURRAY: I registered to speak on 9A.
MR. MITCHELL: 9B you registered for.
MS. MURRAY: 9B. Oh, I did, okay.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All right.
MR.OCHS: Commissioners, 9---
CHAIRMAN COYLE: 9B?
MR.OCHS: No. 9B is your time-certain, three o'clock.
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. That's right.
MR.OCHS: That would take--
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller, go ahead.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you, Commissioner Coyle.
Commissioner Coy Ie, there is a great deal of information on
Jackson Labs. I'd like to submit an article for the record that was
written by Dave Trecker that summarizes an extensive list.
The economic information on Jackson Labs was submitted to the
county's Productivity Committee and was evaluated by that
committee, and the determination was made by that committee that
this project will not return a positive return on any investment of our
taxpayers' dollar.
Why would we move forward when we have that evidence?
There's no need to wait for further information to make an economic
determination. The economic determination has been made.
And as to your statement that we should not engage in any
negotiations with Jackson Labs until that time, it begs the question,
why are we moving forward in court with respect to a bond validation
that states that the Board of County Commissioners is going to build a
lab, what appears to be at five times at what the cost ought to be, and
that we will lease it to Jackson Labs for nothing? Why are we taking
action if we have no information?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, Commissioner Hiller, there is a
point of order here, but I'll answer your question. The reason is that
all of the information is not available, nor did the -- nor did the
Productivity Committee have all the information available.
Nobody has the information available which will indicate to what
extent Collier County will share in the revenue stream generated by
Jackson Labs from the sale and! or licensing of proprietary products or
from spin-off organizations. There are opportunities for hundreds of
millions of dollars, if it is successful.
Nobody had that information, nobody has it now, and there might
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not be a chance to ever get that information if Governor Scott says he's
not supporting it.
But what you're asking is a decision that will be based on
Commissioner Henning's motion, which has not been made, at three
o'clock this afternoon. It has nothing to do with my status report.
So any questions concerning why we should move forward
should be reserved for that debate, and we'll be happy to do that then.
You know, it's just -- this is a status report. I'm telling you what I
think, and I'm trying to get you up to date on what is really happening.
There haven't been any negotiations with Jackson Labs about this
contract, because we have said we're not going to do that in the dark.
That is -- we're not going to do it without full disclosure of your
contracts with other people. And so that's where it stands.
Now, your decision -- your question about whether or not we
terminate everything in advance of the governor's decision, in advance
of a court decision, is a proper question to be debated at three o'clock.
Okay.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: May I ask one more question with
respect to your status?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Sure.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: May I ask why the Ausley and
McMullen letter that was received by County Attorney Klatzkow on
December 13th and the statements made therein are not included in
your status report? And I'm going to enter that letter into the record,
and for the benefit of the public, what that letter says is, in short, that
the initial legislative appropriation of 50 million for Jackson
Laboratories has failed as a legal matter, and then it goes to explain
why that is the case.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: And that was from the opposing counsel
of Arthrex Corporation that has filed suit to block the funding. I am
not going to take the opinion of an opposing counsel as an opinion to
be exercised against the governor and the legislature. That is an issue
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to be dealt with in Tallahassee. If it, in fact, has failed, then let the
governor and the legislature deal with that.
Why would I jump into the middle of that court case and say,
okay, I'm going to undercut the governor and the legislature? That is
their job. If the legislature doesn't want to proceed with this and they
agree with that legislat- -- that legal interpretation, then I'm perfectly
happy to abide by that decision.
Item #9C
REQUEST TO RECONSIDER AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10D
WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT THE OCTOBER 26, 2010 BCC
MEETING REGARDING THE PROPOSED VERTICAL
EXPANSION OF THE COLLIER COUNTY LANDFILL - FAILS
DUE TO LACK OF A SECOND
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, 9C is a request to reconsider
agenda item number 10D, which was previously approved by the
Board of County Commissioners at October 26, 2010, BCC meeting
regarding the proposed vertical expansion of the Collier County
Landfill.
This item was placed on the agenda by Commissioner Henning.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Thank you, County Manager.
It was brought to my attention, and I did read in the Waste
Management contract to manage the landfill, that they are to be there
for the life of the landfill. So, in essence, we are extending a contract
forever, further extending it out.
Also, the -- it was brought to my attention by a constituent, they
are seeking lands to take part of our waste and make lumber out of it.
And I think that it's best for us to look at alternatives than to vertically
expand the landfill.
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So I make a motion that we bring this back, direct the county
manager to bring it back according to the -- our ordinance.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. We have a motion by
Commissioner Henning to reconsider the decision by the Board of
County Commissioners to vertically expand the Collier County
Landfill or to apply for a permit to vertically expand it.
And is there a second?
MR. MITCHELL: Sir, we have two public speakers.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. The motion dies for lack of a
second. Would -- Commissioner Henning, rather than just avoiding
this item entirely, would you like for the administrator of the division
to provide us a brief overview of why it's important to do this?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: No.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. So much for transparency.
So -- all right. The motion fails for lack of a second.
Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No. Then there's no comment. I
just wanted to say how much it saved the taxpayers, but no need to go
into that now.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That's right. Thank you very much.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: You've got public comments.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
MR. MITCHELL: The first speaker is Randy Johns, and he'll be
followed by Jim Carter.
MR. JOHNS: Good morning. I'm representing a company from
the West Coast that has West Coast Technology that would like to
come in front of the board before you vote on raising this to go over
their technology to recycle your landfill. They have a technology that
can extrude up to 350 products from your landfill.
They also wanted me to tell you that they were willing to come
here. They're well capitalized. They're going to build a
550,000-square-foot building, bring 350 jobs here. Their average pay
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will be between 50,000 and $95,000, and they would like to come
here from California at the end of January and give you guys a
demonstration of what they've got.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you, Mr. Johns. But do you
understand this is a request for a permit --
MR. JOHNS: Yes.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- to expand the height? It is not a
request for an extension of a contract.
MR. JOHNS: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Am I correct, Mr. DeLony? Would you
like to come up here? I will ask you to come up here and give us the
appropriate information.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: He looks like a Christmas elf:
doesn't he?
MR. JOHNS: It was my understanding that their contract goes
with that landfill if it gets increased.
MR. DeLONY: For the record, Jim DeLony, Public Utilities
administrator. Our integrated solid waste management strategy is
keyed on the highest and best use of all of our resources to include the
recycling stream and our inferior space.
The reason this is important, in my view, to have this permit in
hand is that it gives us assured disposal irregardless of what means and
method this board directs we take with regard to our waste stream.
The -- when I first came here, we were out of air space, and that
is not the time to negotiate with someone who has any idea -- and
Randy, nothing to do about your side. I'm not aware of it; looking
forward to hearing about it.
With regard to best value, my view is, our -- and the
recommendation we had made earlier was, let's get this approved.
Let's have this in our pocket. And then from that standpoint, move
forward with the best-value means and method with regard to handling
our waste stream now and in the future.
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: When you say let's get this approved,
you're only talking about getting a permit --
MR. DeLONY: Yes, correct.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- to increase the height --
MR. DeLONY: That's right.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- in the event it is necessary?
MR. DeLONY: That's correct.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: If you want to increase the height, you
come back to us; is that not correct?
MR. DeLONY: There's a process associated with this permit.
It's a public process that we'll have to go to DEP with regard to it.
And at some stage of the game, that permit decision will be made.
And what you've given me authority is to pursue that permit.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah. And the permit then provides you
an alternative in the event you cannot find someone who will do
things cheaper, and you're not -- don't have your back against the wall.
And furthermore, you don't have to increase it to the ultimate limit of
the permit. You're only asking for a permit as a backstop.
MR. DeLONY: Absolutely. We have a requirement through the
9J5, in the -- in the -- and the Growth Management Plan is measured
by the annualization (sic) and inventory report to be concurrent in our
ability to dispose of solid waste now and in the future.
And I've been before this board many times and explained, you
know, how that works in terms of preserving that air space.
So absolutely, this is just part of that integrated strategy that I
spoke to earlier, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. And my advice would be, if you
know somebody who's interested in bidding on it, have them talk to
the man who's got to make the decision.
MR. JOHNS: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
MR. JOHNS: Yes, sir.
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: So we'll sort that out.
Now, I've -- who was first here? Can you tell -- was it--
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Not me.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner Henning or
Commissioner Hiller. Ladies go first. Commissioner Hiller.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
Mr. DeLony, how is the permit tied to the contract with the
contractor.
MR. DeLONY: The permit is a stand-alone item. The contract
with the county is another item. Our particular contract is a life-of-site
contract.
I don't have the date in my head, but it was back in the '90s that
this board decided to go to a life-of-site agreement with Waste
Management, Incorporated, of Florida.
Do you know that date, Dan?
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Sure.
MR. DeLONY: Okay, I'm sorry. Thank you. It's always great to
have great staff.
Seven February 1995. And since that time, it's been a marriage,
of some sorts, with them because of that life of site, and we've had __
and there's members of this board who speak -- can speak with great
detail as -- about the experience of that.
But today I can promise you that they're accomplishing their
mission, their contract, at the correct standards and at the correct
contract price.
Again, a life -- that particular contract is a life of site. So as long
as that site's in being and is operated as a landfill, is my understanding
from the contract, they are our contractor. There are terms and
conditions associated with a contract that speaks to termination largely
for nonperformance on one party's part or the other. I think I've got
that correct.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: So as a result of the proposal to
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vertically expand this, in effect what we're doing is extending the life
of this contract?
MR. DeLONY: In essence you would, because if you have a
life-of-site agreement and you extend the life of site, obviously, and
by extension you would extend that contract unless there was terms
and conditions counter to that, and I know of none.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: County Attorney, is there any
provision in that contract that ties it to the current life of this site, or
does it extend automatically if the life of the site is expanded?
MR. KLA TZKOW: I don't know, but my understanding is, all
we're asking for is a permit, not a decision actually to increase the
capacity. So that --
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I understand. I just want to make
sure I understand what's going on for future reference.
MR. KLATZKOW: I would have to get you that information,
ma'am.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Commissioner Coyle, Mr.
DeLony didn't ask -- answer your question, and it had to take
Commissioner Hiller to ask the question again to get a proper response
for the -- one of the questions.
Now, the other transparency question you were asking is, you're
just going for a permit. You're going to come back to us for us to
approve it. You didn't get an answer to your question.
So I'm going to ask the same question.
MR. DeLONY: Yes, sir. You'll be --I'll be bringing that permit
back to you at the end of that process --
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Do we have to approve --
MR. DeLONY: -- for your direction, yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. I -- with that being said,
I'm going to -- no. I mean, it failed, so automatically the item is not
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approved.
MR.OCHS: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: That wasn't the understanding,
what was on the executive summary, but since you have committed to
bringing it back, I'm fully in support of that. But I think that we need
to do other alternatives besides landfilling.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Let me carry that one bit further. Ifwe
make the decision, the Board of County Commissioners makes a
decision that the vertical expansion of the landfill of 20 feet is as far as
we're going to go and that we want an alternative landfill after that,
that is the end of the landfill; is that correct?
MR. DeLONY: If I understand your scenario that once we had
the airspace, whether we use it or not becomes the matter of a decision
by this board.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah.
MR. DeLONY: If I understand the scenario just painted.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah.
MR. DeLONY: Now, we're already doing that. We ran out of
airspace. We created more airspace, but we're not utilizing it at even
half the rate we were using it in 2000.
So, you know, your policy dictates that we divert, reuse, recycle,
find alternative power and best-value uses other than haul and bury,
and that is -- that is the heart of our integrated strategy in terms of our
solid waste program in Collier County.
And so by the nature of the fact that we get this permit, should
the board decide to approve it once we get it, then absolutely, you
know, we will not stop looking at best-value alternatives. But having
this assured disposal keeps you concurrent with your Growth
Management Plan.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: And it gives us time to evaluate
alternatives as technology improves in the future?
MR. DeLONY: You will never have -- you should not have your
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back against the wall ever when you're negotiating that type of
arrangement, and this gives you 19 more years of room until such time
as you can arrive at that -- at that alternative to haul and bury.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Thank you very much.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Can I --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Mr. DeLony, where do we rate
within the state structure as far as what we charge people to be able to
handle solid waste at our landfill?
MR. DeLONY: I don't know if I have that -- do I have that data
here today?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Residents and all that as far as--
MR. RODRIGUEZ: I can speak to that.
MR. DeLONY: In terms of the total cost on a residential fee, no
one's cheaper in terms of our assessment on a residential level, no one,
with our level of service.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. Now--
MR. DeLONY: The 174 and change that we assess each
homeowner in Collier County for our residential collection service,
our franchise mandatory collection, there's no one cheaper at our level
of service.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And so you're always looking
for ways to bring down the cost even more, I understand that. And I
think Mr. Henning --
MR. DeLONY: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: -- can be commended for--
Commissioner Henning -- for bringing this up for discussion, because
it's always great to be able to go through this one more time.
MR. DeLONY: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Now, recycling is one of the
reasons why our landfill has been extended out from what it was.
Originally when we came aboard in 2000, we were told the life
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expectancy of the landfill was less than a year or two years. It was
unbelievable.
We were very upset about it. The county got very proactive
finding ways to make things work. Under Jim Mudd's leadership, and
then later years, they found ways to extend the present landfill in a
way that would go way off into the future.
They removed the biggest problem that we had out there, which
was the odor. The local-- the residents within a -- oh, a 10-mile
radius were greatly affected by the odor for many years.
That problem's been put aside. Now we're, at the present time,
we're looking at recycling, and even in a more aggressive way. And I
understand that sometime in the near future the state may be coming
after us to recycle 75 percent of the waste stream; is that correct?
MR. DeLONY: That's correct, sir.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: At that point in time there'll be
no reason to even consider another landfill. Present site would
probably last us for 40, 50 years, if not longer; is that correct?
MR. DeLONY: Sir, I can't commit to that in terms of an
alternative landfill site. As we grow and move further and further to
the east and get further and further away from our current landfill
operating position where we are there at Exit 101, obviously the haul
distances get much greater for removing that -- what we can't recycle,
divert, or take out of county or those dis- -- and so it may become
uneconomical or infeasible just moving that from east to west.
So an alternative site in the east is something, I think, that this
board has directed me to continue to look at and evaluate, and you at
the instate would make a decision whether that's the proper course of
action or not.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: I understand. And as we're
pursuing that and we're going down the road, we have to be realistic in
the fact that a new landfill hasn't been permitted, or there's only been
one permitted in the last 20 year, or some number like that?
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MR. DeLONY: They're very difficult, yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Very difficult, and it's getting
more difficult as we go forward every day.
Also the cost of permitting, plus buying the land -- no one's going
to donate land outright -- and preparing it would be astronomical, and
it would raise the rate of refuge removal and disposal way above
where we are now; is that not correct?
MR. DeLONY: Absolutely correct, sir.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. So I mean, it doesn't hurt
to look at all these alternatives. I think the greatest alternatives that
are out there is the private sector, and I commend this county for
doing what it has done and offering those opportunities for recycling
everything from white items to gypsum board to lumber, recycling
concrete, all in the private sector where we don't have to be personally
involved in it, and they can show a profit at their own pleasure and
however they run their business.
So I'm kind of lost why this discussion comes up every now and
then. If there's a way to improve upon it and anybody can offer a solid
suggestion rather than just looking at something, I'd rather your time
not be wasted and your limited staff be sent down a road that's going
to have no return on it as far as a positive outcome for the public.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yes. Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. Can you tell me how much
money we are saving the taxpayers by going vertical?
MR. DeLONY: Well--
COMMISSIONER FIALA: You had given us an estimate before
when you --
MR. DeLONY: First of all, I guess it's not what we're saving; it's
what we're spending, I guess, would be my first question, if I may.
And I know -- I want to answer your question.
And so let me answer it as best I can. I know what it's costing us
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to do this, relatively nothing. To pick up 19 years of disposal space
for nothing more than the permitting fees is pretty -- pretty
remarkable. When you think about, that a cubic yard of landfill space,
just a cubic yard -- and that's about the size of a washing machine -- is
somewhere between 50 and $75 in terms of cost if you think about
starting today and building one.
So -- and so I can tell you what it's cost us. And then any
foregone cost would be the value of that 19 years of assured disposal
that we gain. So I don't have that here. I don't know -- let me look
back at my staff.
Did you -- actually, Dan has got a big number on this page here.
I'd almost pass it to you versus -- Dan estimates it at $300 million, so I
would say that's a lot of money.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That's what I remember --
MR. DeLONY: Yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- in the presentation.
MR. DeLONY: Yes, ma'am. And I believe that's what we said
in our presentation.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah, that's wonderful. And is it
true that we have one of the lowest solid waste pickup rates in the
entire State of Florida?
MR. DeLONY : We're the lowest with our level of service,
ma'am.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes.
MR. DeLONY: We're the lowest for our level of service.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And the thing is -- I just wanted to
say, one of the things that you've done, fantastically well, by the way,
is extended the use of our landfill or the life of our landfill for ever so
much longer, and cut down the odor, which was ever so bad when
Jim, Tom, and I took office. It's so much better now. I took a whole
tour up on top of the hill.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: And she ate lunch up there, too.
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: They provided lunch for us, yes,
free of charge.
And anyway, you've done a great job because of the cell
recovery, cells one and two.
MR. DeLONY: Yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And cleaning those things out and
sorting all that stuff and getting rid of it and relining those things, as
well as the huge push that you've had on recycling, something that
we'd never had before.
So I think that that's all admirable, and it needs to be in this
equation. So anyway, that's all I needed to say.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Pass. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Thank you very much.
MR. DeLONY: Thank you, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That brings us to Item D.
Item #9D
REQUEST TO RECONSIDER AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10E
WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT THE OCTOBER 26, 2010 BCC
MEETING REGARDING THE NORTH COLLIER RECYCLING
DROP OFF CENTER - MOTION TO RECONSIDER - FAILS
MR.OCHS: 9D, sir. 9D is a request to reconsider agenda Item
10E, which was previously approved by the Board of County
Commissioners at the October 26, 2000 --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I'm sorry, but I -- wasn't there another
speaker, Ian?
MR. MITCHELL: No, sir. The other speaker withdrew.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. All right. Thank you. I'm sorry,
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go ahead.
MR.OCHS: That's all right. So this is a request for a
reconsideration regarding the North Collier Recycling Dropoff Center.
This item was placed on the agenda by Commissioner Henning.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: The board in the past has
created a -- the biggest recycling park right next to the landfill. I hope
that our staff would talk to Mr. Johns on the company he's trying to
bring in located right next to the landfill.
But on this item, the -- it was very concerning to me. On our
agenda, it said that staff has all the permits for this project when we
awarded the contract. Come to find out during the meeting, they did
not have their permits, they did not have Site Development Plan
approved, they did not have vertical permits.
My concern on that item was the constant ever-lasting change
orders because of a rush to get this approved before the new board
takes over.
And then further, it was pointed out to me by some citizens,
you're going to build a 3,200-square-foot building, land cost and
building cost of $2 million? That's astronomical. And it was provided
to me by some Realtors, is the cost of that building should be far less
than a half a million dollars.
So I'm going to make a motion to reconsider this item and direct
the county manager to put it back -- bring it back on a future agenda
according to our ordinance.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. There's a motion by
Commissioner Henning for a rehearing on the approval of the North
Collier Recycling Dropoff Center.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Second by Commissioner Hiller.
MR. MITCHELL: Sir, we do have a public speaker.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Would you like to call the public
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speaker now?
MR. MITCHELL: Jim Carter.
MR. CARTER: Good morning, Commissioners.
Congratulations, Commissioner Hiller. It's nice to have you
representing our district, and to your reelection, Commissioner Coyle.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you.
MR. CARTER: Commissioners, I'm -- name is Jim Carter. I'm
president of the Pelican Marsh Foundation, the master association for
some 4,500 residents in North Naples. It's adjacent to this proposed
recycling center.
We are not against recycling in Pelican Marsh; however, we've
had great difficulty in the way that this idea was processed and the
options that we understood that were available that were not fully
considered.
And the question keeps coming back in our community, was this
a need to get this done right now in this place at that time, or was it
political? And the overwhelming opinion by our community, it was
political.
So we're asking that this be brought back, look at the other
options, do some spreadsheet analysis on the feasibility of how much
it would cost at a different site, the cost to the building, and get the
community involved. We would be more than happy to participate in
any way that you would ask us to participate. In the past we were not
asked to participate. We think this is kind of a slam-dunk thing.
The permit bothered us enormously that it supposedly was done
in 30 days, but Commissioner Henning has enlightened me here this
morning. I thought it was approved in 30 days, because it took us 90
days to get a simple -- a canopy established in our tennis area in
Pelican Marsh, which is four steel poles and some canvas.
We were told in this process, because it wasn't on the original site
plan, that we had -- it was an insubstantial change. That cost us 500
bucks. The next thing I know, we had to go through fire, and they
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says, is this fireproof material? Let me tell you, ladies and gentlemen,
where that was located, it could have burned in a heartbeat and never
hurt anybody.
So we feel that it took us an awful long time to get a real simple
project done and yet something that has a major effect in our
community and surrounding communities was rushed through, slam
dunk, no questions asked.
So if you're going to change the permitting process -- and we
would like to know the magic formula for other projects so we can get
done in 30 days. We would appreciate that if you would please
reconsider this, get the communities involved before rushing into
expending this amount of money for a recycle collection center.
Again, we're not against recycle collection centers. We think it's
a great idea. But what's the master plan? And what's the rush? And
where's the timetable? I think these are questions we think nearly
need to be answered.
Thank you very much.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: I think Commissioner Henning's
light was on first.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah. I just -- I mean, I'm not
sure if this building is even needed. I mean, we offer curbside
recycling, you know, to all the residents. If somebody wants to do a
bigjob, I mean, they can -- they can hire somebody to do that.
But I just want to point out, a 3,1 OO-square-foot building,
217,000 in industrial. Here's another one, 2,400 square feet, 250,000,
and the list just keeps going on. Here we're building -- here's one for
4,200 square feet for $360,000. And here we're building one for land
cost and building cost of $2 million. It just does not make sense.
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Could we have Mr. DeLony
come up here and tell us why it's so costly.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Good morning, Commissioners. For the
record, Dan Rodriguez, your Solid Waste Management Department
director.
If I could get the question, again, Commissioner Henning.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Commissioner Coyle asked,
why does it cost so much to store junk?
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Yeah. Actually, Commissioner, the -- the
facility we're building is a model similar to the one on Marco Island,
and it's the appropriate-size building for the types of different
materials that we're going to keep there. You have site development
costs, which were outlined in the bid tabulation that was given to you
back in October, of 600- -- I'm sorry. The building cost is 614,000,
and then the site development costs were 415,000.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: And why is it so expensive?
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Commissioners, we're building a
50-plus-year facility. This will serve the taxpayers of the community
for years to come. It's really just block building with a metal roof with
garage doors.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. How do you justify the cost if it's
just a simple block building with metal doors?
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Well, as far as justify the investment in this
building is based on the airspace that we save as well as what we're
doing to protect our environment, so --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: And why couldn't you get the same thing
for less money somewhere else?
MR. RODRIGUEZ: We've looked. We've looked at other real
estate. We've looked at the geographical area. And in North Naples,
this is the ideal location. It's at a government-owned facility. It's
consistent zoning, industrial -- light industry. So it fit all the criteria
that we needed so that we could get the participation that we need
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from the community. There are over 60,000 residents near this area,
so --
MR. HANCOCK: Good morning, Commissioners. Tim Hancock
with Davidson Engineering. We, along with URS and the architect,
Dalas Disney, were responsible for the site design and the building
design for this particular project.
If I can kind of cut to the short answer. What you may see for
industrial buildings that are available for 360- or $420,000 that may be
of what appears to be a comparable square footage are buildings that
we would have to tear down and start over. The reason being, that the
particular operation of a building like this has to be designed in order
to work in a small area.
The second thing is that -- for example, where you may just see
open dumpster areas where folks will dump off cardboard. I recently
had to go down to the Naples Airport facility after a move and dump
off a truckload of cardboard. That area has to be picked up by
sizeable trucks. Not all industrial sites have the concrete poured to the
thickness that is appropriate to handle dumpster pads.
So when we talk about site costs, we're not talking about just
dropping fill in, compacting it, and putting asphalt on it. We're talking
about making sure that structurally the integrity is such that it
accommodates the types and style of vehicle that are going to use it.
F or example, if you just pour asphalt and you have the
heavy-load truck on it turning its wheels, it will tear up the asphalt.
You'll spend the next 20 years repairing asphalt on a monthly basis.
So what you have to do is you have to design the subgrade structure,
the concrete, in order to adequately handle what it's going to receive.
The second thing is that many of these rooms -- and Mr. Disney
can speak to this with more specificity. Many of these rooms have
particular types of ventilation that are required. Remember, this is not
just something where you drop oft: you know, a cardboard or glass or
typical recyclables that we have at our curb. This is where things such
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as herbicides, antifreeze that's been sitting in your garage for two
months, things -- oil and whatnot are dropped off. They have to be in
specified containers with proper ventilation systems and fire
suppression systems. All of that adds to the cost.
I dare say, many buildings built 20 years ago are in industrial
parks that currently stand do not meet the fire suppression
requirements. You'd have to start over.
So I would love to -- you know, your staff has tried to be cost
effective. The project was bid fully, and the bid documents were
based on an existing facility that works extremely well on Marco
Island.
Could you do it differently or cheaper? Honestly, not if you're
going to do it in that style. If you want to take a different approach to
how to handle and accept these materials, then that would be a
different scope of work altogether.
As far as location, the location -- and one thing to understand
about these types of dropoff recycling centers is, this is not typically a
capacity issue. In other words, you don't wait until the one down the
road is full and brimming over the top in order to build the next one.
The board direction to solid waste staff to basically move
forward with these types of projects are to create throughout the
county convenient locations that not only handle parts of the waste
stream for purposes of diversion and recycling, but more importantly
also, protect the environment by giving a safe place for herbicides,
pesticides, paint, oils, gasoline, to be dropped off instead of dumped.
We are improving the environmental conditions throughout the
county.
Just last week two individuals were arrested for illegal dumping
in the Estates, and I was happy to see that. Had we had more or
appropriate locations throughout the county where materials could be
dropped off and disposed of properly, maybe we don't have those
problems.
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So convenience is a key issue. What you see before you is part
of the developing strategic plan. That plan should be coming to you, I
believe, in the next 30 to 60 days.
MR. DeLONY: It will be in this spring.
MR. HANCOCK: In the spring. It's been in the works for some
18-plus months, and that is a total comprehensive plan for the county.
This is just one small part of it, these types of facilities.
This is called the northwest service area. What we did is we
looked at a combination of population and convenient drive times to
establish service areas within the county where, within each of these, a
facility like this, at the right time with the right population
contributing, would be appropriate.
In this service area what you see here are, the areas in yellow are
only those areas that are appropriately zoned for this use. Currently
that is property zoned "I" industrial or "P" public use without further
limitation.
As you look at that from the concentric circles, there's one area to
the north, which is in the Old 41 industrial park area; there's one area
to the south, which is the Pine Ridge industrial park that kind of wraps
the Costco and Naples Boulevard at the Pioneer Lakes projects.
The only other one is right there smack in the middle of the
service area, which is property you already own on a collector or
arterial roadway so that it's ease of convenience for dropofffor
residents and high visibility.
So pardon the expression, but it was a bit of a no-brainer that this
site jumped out, and that's why we pursued and went with it.
If we go to the north, we end up serving Lee County. If we go to
the south, we're awfully close to the Airport Road facility and
probably not serving the residents in the north part of this service area
very well.
So those are a lot of the factors in a very short summary that went
into why we're here, why the cost is what it is. And with any specific
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questions you have about building design, I would defer to Mr. Disney
as the architect.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you very much.
Commissioner Coletta, I think you were next.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: My questions have been
answered.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. I just wanted to reply that
although it was mentioned that we have recycling pickup right at our
doorstep practically, that recycling pickup does not include batteries,
fluorescent lights, oil, grease, paint, herbicides, and so forth. And so I
just wanted to mention that even though we do have curbside pickup,
and it's a wonderful asset, it really can't answer all of these things, and
so I believe the motivation behind our recycling department was to
bring a recycling center closer to the people in the area rather than
having them to drive from wherever they are all the way out to the
landfill to deposit all of these things. It was just a convenience.
And not only that, personally now, I wouldn't want to make it
any cheaper because I feel the people in the area deserve the very best
that they can get, and our people expect it, I mean demand, that the
building be clean, safe, odorless. And in order to do it, you have to do
it right.
MR. HANCOCK: And Commissioner, you make a good point.
This building was subject to your architectural guidelines in the Land
Development Code because it's on an arterial roadway. The buildings
you referred to in the middle of an industrial park built 20 years ago
are metal frame, metal siding, and I doubt the folks that live in this
area would be pleased with that type of an aesthetic to a government
facility .
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Two questions. The first is, you
said that there were alternative designs that could have been put forth
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to lower the cost? Can you describe those alternative designs.
MR. HANCOCK: No, ma'am. What I said was, there may be
ways to do this cheaper, but we followed the model on the Marco
Island piece, which has been both effective and is a national
award-winning facility.
So, you know, there's always cheaper ways to do things, for
example, replacing block and stucco with metal siding. That would be
cheaper, but is it appropriate? And in this case, you're design team
felt it was not.
So we don't have --
MR. DeLONY: It's not allowed.
MR! HANCOCK: That's true. It's not allowed. My point being,
if you want to take a different approach to how to handle these
materials, we can certainly do that. But in handling the materials that
this facility is designed to handle, this seemed to be the most cost
effective way to do that.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: When I look at your map up here,
it looks to me like there are a lot of overlapping concentric circles, and
it seems when you boil it down to syrup, the service area for this
facility is actually very small, and I don't think it's actually benefiting
us to make this large of an investment in these hard economic times to
serve a relatively small population area when you look at how much
the airport transfer station is serving. How do you justify that?
MR. DeLONY: I'll take that.
For the record, Jim DeLony, Public Utilities administrator.
Ma'am, I think we justify it in terms of, well, what was spoken earlier
in terms of its proximity to those who need the -- who require and
need the service.
I believe that the concentrics of those circles -- and I hope that
you can see there that you're talking about capturing, I believe, all that
northwest service area very quickly and very efficiently with this
facility.
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There's -- I believe we estimated somewhere around about 70,000
folks that are going to be in proximity of this facility, within four to
six miles.
And that is critical, I believe, in sustaining the kinds of things
that we've always spoken to in terms of both convenience and
protecting our environment and ensuring these materials do not end up
in our landfill.
The airport site itself is -- it certainly serves an area. This will
serve another area and will be very effective in doing that; and,
therefore, that's the recommendation we've made with regard to that--
with this location, ma'am.
MR. HANCOCK: Commissioner, I note the consternation. Let
me see if I can help with that.
What is shown on this map are concentric circles, as the crow
flies, if you will. The overlap occurs at approximately a four-mile
radius from each facility. Now, that's as the crow flies. What we did is
what we call a drive-time study. We looked at how long it takes us to
get from one place to another within these service areas.
The term convenience on a retail basis typically means
something within a five- to ten-minute drive time, and if we're going
to have convenience centers, we thought, why not use the retail
component; five, ten, 15 minutes is what would deem to be convenient
for most people.
The reason you see overlap here is, one of the unique elements of
Collier County is, you can't always get there from here. There are
places in which there may be something closer as the crow flies, but
when you get in your car and actually drive it, it take more time to get
to the Naples facility, for example, than it would this facility, and
that's how we defined the dividing line between the service area,
which location would be physically closer based on drive time?
And so the overlap is as the crow flies. The actual drive time
overlap is where the boundary of the service area is provided.
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COMMISSIONER HILLER: It stills seems, when I look at this
diagram, that this transfer station is serving a relatively small
population, because by comparison the airport transfer station is
overlapping what this station is proposing to do.
And quite frankly, you know, to, once a month or maybe once
every six months, to drive, you know, 15 minutes to drop off a battery
doesn't seem to me like a tremendous inconvenience when I'm
comparing the cost to the taxpayers of $2 million that could be used
otherwise.
I mean, as an example, that money could be loaned to the
General Fund and could be used, as an example, to build a civic center
in East Naples it's been wanting for eight years.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Do you want to --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. I'm going to call the question.
We have a motion by Commissioner Henning, seconded by
Commissioner Hiller, to reconsider this item.
All in favor, please signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All opposed, by like sign?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. The motion fails 3-2, with
Commissioners Coletta, Coyle, and Fiala voting against the
reconsideration.
We had an 11 :30 time certain, didn't we?
MR. OCHS: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Let's go with that. And depending upon
how long the staff presentation is, we should get -- we might still be
able to get to the -- Item E before we break for lunch, unless we've got
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lots of speakers. Do we have a lot of speakers for Item E?
MR. MITCHELL: Sir, we have no speakers.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: No speakers for Item E?
MR. MITCHELL: 10E is this? 9?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: 10E.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: 9E.
MR.OCHS: 9E.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: 9E, 9E.
MR. MITCHELL: We have one speaker. Sir, we have one
speaker for Item 9E.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: We can do E, and then do the other
one right after lunch before we get into 8? I mean, I don't mind -- you
know, I had requested that, but I don't mind waiting until after lunch.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Are there -- are there people who are
waiting for the 10 -- 11 :30 time-certain item?
MR. OCHS: Not to my knowledge, sir, no.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Is anybody waiting for the briefing on
affordable housing? No.
Item #9E
REQUEST TO RECONSIDER AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10H
WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT THE OCTOBER 26, 2010 BCC
MEETING REGARDING NORTH NAPLES FIRE CONTROL AND
RESCUE DISTRICT'S APPLICATION FOR COPCN - MOTION
TO RECONSIDER AND BRING BACK AT THE NEXT BCC
MEETING FOLLOWING THE BLUE RIBBON COMMITTEE'S
PINAL REPORT - APPROVED
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Let's take the 9E, reconsideration
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regarding the North Naples Fire Control and Rescue District's
application for a COPCN. Maybe to shortcut that, I would -- would
say that it was the board's intention that this be reconsidered after the
Blue Ribbon Committee issued their report, Commissioner Henning.
Would you -- would you be amenable to that approach?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: There's a process to where the
board can reconsider items, and during the hearing and at the end of
the meeting, it was not stated that that item is going to be
reconsidered. So the proper thing to do is to put it on the agenda and
get a vote on that.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, there are two issues. I will support
your vote for reconsideration of this item. I would -- and that requires
that the county manager place it on the agenda, which is the second
meeting in January. He doesn't have the authority to move it out any
further.
The problem we have is that the Blue Ribbon Committee is not
likely to give their report until that meeting, and it is within the power
of the Board of County Commissioners, I think, to say to the county
manager, we want it reconsidered but we want it reconsidered the
meeting following the report of the Blue Ribbon Committee.
And so that's what I'm really getting at, and I'm trying to explain
that now so that we can shortcut a long discussion of it because I'll -- I
think it should be reconsidered. It's just that, why reconsider it unless
we've heard what the proposal of the Blue Ribbon Committee is, and I
think we can make a more informed decision if we have their final
report.
Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah, I agree with you. I believe it
should be reconsidered, but I think right now it's just a little bit early.
I would much rather have all of the facts so that when we do talk
about it again and it comes before us, we'll be better informed.
Would you agree to that, Commissioner Henning?
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COMMISSIONER HENNING: I agree with the statement. We
just need to get there, so --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yes.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: -- Mr. Klatzkow?
MR. KLATZKOW: It's within the commission's perview to
direct the county manager to bring this back at any time.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. So I'll make a motion
that -- for reconsideration, bring it back. So the Blue Ribbon
Committee we're going to hear on the 14th of January?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That's what they've told the county
attorney (sic). I have not spoken to them about it, but, County
Attorney (sic), is that what you understand to be the case?
MR.OCHS: They said they were going to come back in
January, sir, so it will either be on the 11th or the 25th.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
MR. OCHS: Those are your two meetings in January, and then I
would anticipate scheduling the --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Can we say, to be safe, that we want it
brought back the meeting following the meeting where the Blue
Ribbon Committee provides its final report; is that okay? And that
way if they come at the first meeting in January, we'll reconsider it at
the second meeting in January.
MR. OCHS: But no later than the first meeting of February?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: No. We have the purview to do it at an
indefinite time determined by when the Blue Ribbon Committee
reports it. But if the Blue Ribbon Committee doesn't report in
January, I'm going to be anxious to proceed, okay.
MR. OCHS: The pleasure of the board.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: So we need to make sure that they
understand that there's some degree of urgency to get this done, okay.
Does anybody want to speak further on that? Commissioner--
who was first, Commissioner Hiller?
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: I've already done it.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner Hiller, go ahead.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: What was the scope of the Blue
Ribbon Committee study that will affect our decision on bringing this
forward?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: The Blue Ribbon Committee was -- had
contracted with a professor at Florida State University to do a study
concerning the most efficient way to provide Emergency Medical
Services in Collier County, taking into consideration the various fire
districts, the county's EMS function, and the city -- the municipalities'
EMS functions, and that report is supposed to be available in January.
And any decisions which we might make in restructuring
responsibilities will certainly impact that report and, conversely, the
report could impact what decisions we might make on the COPCN.
But the important issue is that we have as much information as
we can get so that we can make a decision that is in the best interest of
the people of Collier County.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: To finish my motion -- and I
respect commissioners' wishes for more information prior to making
decisions, so I'm going to make a motion to bring this item back after
the Blue Ribbon Committee --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Second.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: -- reports to the board.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: The meeting -- the meeting immediately
following the Blue Ribbon Committee's report so that we don't delay it
any further than that, okay.
Okay. Commissioner Henning's is seconded by Commissioner
Coletta.
MR. MITCHELL: Sir, we have one public speaker.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Is there a public speaker who
wants to speak or want to waive?
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MR. BILLINGTON: Waive.
MR. MITCHELL: It's Duane Billington.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
MR. MITCHELL: He's just waived.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Then all in favor, please signify by
.
saYIng aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(N 0 response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: The motion passes unanimously.
MR. OCHS: Sir, that takes us back to 10D, your time-certain
item.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Can you do that and do it justice
in a short period of time?
MS. MOSCA: I can go as quickly as possible.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, wait a minute. Commissioner Fiala
doesn't want to cut it short.
MS. MOSCA: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I'm willing to stay a little after 12 to get
it done. How much time do you think would --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I don't know. I have a few
questions. Although staffhas done a superb job, I have to say that,
and worked beautifully, I just have a few questions. Do you want to
do that before or after lunch? It doesn't make any difference to me.
MR.OCHS: It's the pleasure of the board. I would say let's go
ahead and start it, and if you have some questions that aren't answered,
we can carry it --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I'd rather not break it up. I think --
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Commissioner Fiala has been waiting a long time for this report, and I
think it should be done in its entirety in one session so that there's
nothing lost in the process.
I would rather go ahead with some things that, perhaps, won't
take long, postpone this until after lunch. We'll do it the first thing
after we get back from lunch, okay?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you. Did we ever get an
answer to my question in the beginning about the extra stenographer
here?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: No.
MR.OCHS: No, ma'am. We talked to the Clerk's Office, and
they only have -- they're only paying for one court reporter, and that's
the one they traditionally have here. So it wasn't the Clerk's Office
that ordered the second court reporter. That's all we know so far.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Isn't that interesting? Transparency
again, huh? Wow. I'm sorry that you -- it's not your fault.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: You're just caught in the middle of all
this, you know. Don't take offense to any of it. We're happy you're
here. But the one --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And just curious as to why.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: The one thing that will give us all great
pleasure is that it has to be a lawyer, right. The -- okay.
You want to continue with F?
MR. OCHS : Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
Item #9F
REQUEST BY FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES TO FILL
A VACANCY ON THE BOARD FOR DISTRICT #37 - MOTION
TO APPOINT COMMISSIONER FIALA - APPROVED
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MR. OCHS: 9F is a request by the Florida Association of
Counties to fill a vacancy on the board for district number 37.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. I have received a letter from the
Florida Association of Counties. It says if we don't make a motion to
fill this vacancy within 30 days from the receipt of the letter, which
was a couple of weeks ago, that they will have to designate someone
from our political district to fill that vacancy.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'd love to jump in.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: I make a motion, Commissioner
Fiala.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: I beat you. This is a very
important position, and Commissioner Halas has been very diligent in
going to their meetings. I think it's three times a year. And it's a
global thing. It affects the whole of Florida. I think you'd be a
tremendous representative.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That would be good. You know, I
only have one misgiving, and that is, I won't miss a meeting here to go
there.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: No, of course you won't.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And I won't leave early. I just have
that thing about it. But if everybody will accept that, and then -- and I
can turn in my expenses to get up there and back, I'll do it, because I
know it's very important. I just wanted to make sure I do the job
justice.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: We have a special account set
up for F AC.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Do you?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: So it doesn't come out of your
regular travel account.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Was there a motion somewhere?
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COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Right, I made it.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Motion for Commissioner Fiala --
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- to be the designee to fill that vacancy,
and second by Commissioner Hiller.
Is there -- there's a public speaker, is there? Or you didn't turn
the light off.
MR. MITCHELL: Sorry. I didn't turn the light off.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Is there any further discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It's unanimous that Commissioner Fiala
is our designee for Florida Association of Counties.
Item #9G
RESOLUTION 2010-240: APPOINTING GINA DOWNS TO THE
ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL - ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, 9G is an appointment of a member
to the Environmental Advisory Council.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Mr. Chair, I make a motion that
we readvertise that, and the reason is, is the vacancy is a technical
member of the environmental advisory board, and I'd much rather
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have assistance of the technician.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: What were you going to say, Ian?
MR. MITCHELL: Sir, no. The vacancy is for a nontechnical
member.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Well, the person that she's
replacing is a technical member.
MR. MITCHELL: Sir, but the committee is unbalanced. The
ordinance for the committee says there should be five members, three
will be technical and two will be laypeople. There was a situation
where most of the positions were filled by technical people. This is
being addressed, and so this is a lay position.
MR. KLATZKOW: Well, just to clarify that. It's just guidelines.
The board could appoint whomever they wish to these things, and
you had general guidelines as to how many experts you want and how
many laypeople you want.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller, did you -- is this
on from last time?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: No. I wanted to comment on the
reporter. I'll mention something about that after.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay, okay. Thank you.
I make a motion that we appoint Gina Downs to the
Environmental Advisory Council.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'll second it.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Any further discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: We have a motion by Commissioner
Coyle, second by Commissioner Fiala, that we appoint the only
applicant, Gina Downs, to the Environmental Advisory Council.
All in favor, please signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
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COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It passes unanimously.
Item #9H
RESOLUTION 2010-241: APPOINTING GARY MCNALLY TO
THE CONSUMER ADVISORY BOARD - ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: 9H is appointment of a member to the Consumer
Advisory Board.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Mr. Chair, I make a motion we
appoint Gary McNally.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Motion by Commissioner Henning to
appoint Gary McNally to the Collier County Consumer Advisory
Board, second by Commissioner Fiala.
Any further discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It passes unanimously.
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Item #91
RESOLUTION 2010-242: APPOINTING GINA DOWNS TO THE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE -
ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Item 91 is appointment of a member to the
Affordable Housing Advisory Committee.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'd like to make a motion to appoint
Gina Downs --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Second.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- as the committee recommendation
so stated.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. All right. We have a motion by
Commissioner Fiala, seconded by Commissioner Coletta, to appoint
Gina Downs, which is -- who is the committee recommendation for
that position.
Any further discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It -- the motion passes unanimously.
Item #9J
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RESOLUTION 2010-243: APPOINTING KEVIN WALSH,
THOMAS DECKER AND JOSEPH LANGA WEL TO THE ISLES
OF CAPRI FIRE CONTROL DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE
- ADOPTED
MR.OCHS: 9J is appointment ofa member to the Collier
County -- excuse me. Appointment of members to the Isles of Capri
Fire Control District Advisory Committee.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'd like to make a motion to
nominate, or to approve Kevin Walsh, Tom Decker, Joe Langkawel.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Motion by Commissioner Fiala,
seconded by Commissioner Henning, to appoint the committee's
recommendations of Misters Walsh, Decker, and Langkawel.
Any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It passes unanimously.
Item #9K
RESOLUTION 2010-244: APPOINTING RANDOLPH M. MOITY
TO THE COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL ADVISORY
COMMITTEE - ADOPTED
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MR. OCHS: 9K is appointment of a member to the Collier
County Coastal Advisory Committee.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'm going to motion that we accept
Randolph Moity. I'm sorry though that I'm probably massacring his
name. But anyway, it was the City of Marco's nominated candidate.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Motion by Commissioner Fiala,
seconded by Commissioner Coletta, to recognize the City of Marco's
nomination for their candidate on the Coastal Advisory Committee.
Any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Passes unanimously.
Item #9L
RESOLUTION 2010-245: RE-APPOINTING DOUGLAS PORTER
TO THE COLLIER COUNTY CITIZENS CORPS. - ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Item 9L is appointment of a member to the Collier
County Citizens Corps.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Motion to appoint Douglas
Porter, reappoint.
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Motion by Commissioner
Henning, seconded by Commissioner Fiala, to reappoint Mr. Porter to
the Collier County Citizens Corps.
Any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It passes unanimously.
Item #9M
RESOLUTION 2010-246: APPOINTING LIEUTENANT DAN LEE
WITH COLLIER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE (LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT REPRESENTATIVE) AND DANIEL ROSARIO
WITH SEMINOLE CASINO (LOCAL BUSINESS
REPRESENTATIVE) TO THE IMMOKALEE ENTERPRISE ZONE
DEVELOPMENT AGENCY - ADOPTED
MR.OCHS: 9M is appointment of members to the Immokalee
Enterprise Zone Development Agency.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Motion to follow the
committee's recommendations and appoint Lieutenant Lee and Daniel
Rosio (sic).
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Rosario, yes; second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: A motion by Commissioner Coletta,
second by Commissioner Fiala, to appoint Lieutenant Lee and Danial
Rosario to the Immokalee Enterprise Zone Development Agency.
Any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: The motion passes unanimously.
Anything you can do in two minutes?
MR. OCHS: No, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Two minutes I said, two minutes.
Okay. Then we are in recess for lunch. We'll be back here at 12
noon (sic).
MR. OCHS: One p.m.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: One o'clock, one o'clock.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Very generous of you.
(A luncheon recess was had.)
MR.OCHS: Mr. Chairman, you have a live mike.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. The Board of County
Commission meeting is back in session, and we need Commissioner
Fiala.
MR.OCHS: Yes. See if we can track her down. This was her
item. She'll be here in a moment, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. All right. We can wait.
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MR. OCHS: Ready to start, sir?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Only when Commissioner Fiala gets
here. This is her item. She wants to hear this report. She has
questions. So we'll wait.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'm here. I'm here.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: You know what she was doing?
MR. OCHS: I wouldn't hazard a guess.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: She was looking where my candy was
located because she always waits until I leave the office back there,
and then she scrummages around and finds my candy and eats it.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: He squirrels it away and hides it.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: If anyone wants to know, it's in
the freezer.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Terri, they're already gone.
Item #10D
PRESENTATION OF THE 2010 COUNTYWIDE AFFORDABLE
HOUSING INVENTORY (MICHELE MOSCA, PRINCIPAL
PLANNER, LAND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPT.,
GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIVISION) - MOTION FOR STAFF
TO INC ORP ORA TE DATA IN FUTURE EAR BASED PLANNING
AND PROVIDE THE BOARD AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING
ANNUAL REPORT - APPROVED
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. We're going to go to 10D.
MR.OCHS: Yes, sir. This is a presentation of the 2010
Countywide Affordable Housing Inventory. Ms. Michele Mosca,
your principal planner from your Land Development Services, will
present.
MS. MOSCA: Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, Commissioners.
F or the record, my name is Michele Mosca with the comprehensive
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planning staff.
At the board's June 22nd meeting, staffwas directed to prepare
an affordable housing inventory of all market-rate or unrestricted
residential units in the county based on specific criteria.
MR.OCHS: Go ahead, Nick.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: I'm going to be your PowerPoint
today.
MS. MOSCA: Thank you. Thank you.
This criteria included reviewing a year's worth of closing sales
data from the property appraiser's database. The year selected was
May 2009 through May 2010. It's important to note though that the
data did not include mobile homes in the study.
The next step was categorizing the units into very low, low, and
moderate affordable housing ranges based on the State Housing
Initiative Program, or SHIP, income limits.
Staff then established a discount factor to apply to the total wide
-- countywide, rather, residential units by comparing the sales price to
the total just value or the market value and then averaging the
percentage, that change, and applying it to all qualifying properties.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'm sorry, Michele. Can I just ask
you question.
MS. MOSCA: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Did you say these figures are based
on the SHIP criteria?
MS. MOSCA: The income limits. So it's base on the income
limits for two- and four-person households.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. But not built with SHIP
funds?
MS. MOSCA: No. These are unrestricted.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yesterday (sic) --
MS. MOSCA: That's correct. These are market-rate units.
Staff then looked at the entire inventory and categorized the
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qualifying residential units into the affordable housing ranges,
including debt loads for two- and four-person households with a
monthly recurring debt of 0 and $300. The monthly debt is
representative of a car note, student loan, credit card, et cetera.
And you can note the difference in affordability of those
mortgages with those carrying a monthly debt. It's significantly
higher what they can afford. And it's approximately a difference of
47,463.
This particular slide represents the affordable mortgage amounts
for very low income category. That's 50 percent of the median
household income of72,300. That's the 2010 median income for
Collier County.
This next slide represents the affordable mortgage amounts for
the low income category. That's 80 percent of the median household
income. And you can see the difference in the two- and four-person
households.
The next slide represents affordable mortgage amounts for the
moderate income level or 120 percent of the median household
.
Income.
The next three slides represent the lowest range, which would be
your very low, a selected middle range, and the highest range of 120
percent of the affordable housing units inventoried by category.
This particular slide represents the two-person households
earning 50 percent of the median income with a 300 monthly
reoccurring debt. As noted by the results, the highest number of
affordable units within this range is within commission District 1,
Commissioner Fiala's district, followed by commission District 3,
Commissioner Henning's district.
This slide represents a four-person household earning 80 percent
of the median income with a 300 monthly reoccurring debt. The
results identify the highest number of affordable units within this
range is within commission district number 3, Commissioner
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Henning's district, followed by commission District 1, Commissioner
Fiala's.
Finally, this slide represents a four-person household earning 120
percent of the median income with a 0 monthly reoccurring debt. The
results include the highest number of affordable units within this range
is within commission district number 3, Commissioner Henning,
followed by commission District 1, Commissioner Fiala.
The housing -- the housing -- I'm sorry. The number of potential
affordable housing units from the lowest range which, again, is a very
low, to the highest range, which is the 120 percent, represents 2
percent of the units and 65 percent of the units respectively within the
county.
It is important to note that these results include a potential supply
only as staff is not able to determine which units are available, and
staff is not aware of the occupant's income levels.
Based on the inventory, staff is recommending that the Board of
County Commissioners accept the methodology that's provided within
this presentation documentation and direct staff to include the
inventory as part of our support data for our Evaluation and Appraisal
Report.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you, Michele.
MS. MOSCA: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Coletta has a question.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, I had some questions
about the data, but I went back and I did my own research. I was
concerned that maybe this date was weighted and that it would not
really represent what was happening out there.
So I took into consideration an element that is very heavy in
Immokalee and other places in Collier County, and that has to do with
mobile homes, which also are affordable.
However, when I add it into the mix, the change was almost
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negligeable. The district that had the most, when you combined all
the four-person households along with the two-person households and
along with the mobile homes, was District 3 with 33,585 units.
District 1 was just slightly behind that with 33,027, which puts them
almost on an even keel. But it was surprising, I thought District 5 was
going to probably exceed anybody else when you added the mobile
homes in, but it came in number three with 26,082.
So the validity of the study as it is is pretty close to factual. I'm
just not too sure where we're going to use it.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: We're going to use it by transferring
money out of your district and giving it to Commissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. So everybody in
Immokalee's got to make a contribution to East Naples?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That's it.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: If you wouldn't mind.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: I hear you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. Just really for the audience
sake more than anything else -- and Michele and her whole
department have been wonderful about working with me on this. My
contention has long been that although you see all of these districts
and you think District 1 is East Naples, it's only a part of East Naples.
It's the center slice.
F or instance, Estey Avenue and Bayshore and Thomasson, for
instance, they're all in commission District 4, but -- although they're
located in East Naples, they're in the commission 4 district count.
And when you get into, say, Radio Road and that area in there,
they're -- it's located in East Naples, but it's in commission District 3.
And you go to all of the Habitat villages beyond 951 along U.S. 41
and all of the mobile homes and everything in that area, although it's
located in East Naples, it's considered District 5.
So that's been my contention. And there's nothing that they can
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do about it. This is how East Naples is divided up into four districts.
It just makes it look a lot different than what it is, because people
think District 1 is only -- you know, is all of East Naples, and it is not.
So I wanted to clear that up.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any other questions?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yes.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: No. I'm -- from Commissioner Fiala?
Are you finished, Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Right this minute I am, thanks.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Mr. Chair, I make a motion that
we direct staff to include this in our EAR-based amendments, submit
that to Tallahassee.
Also I think it would be good to do a snapshot as we progress,
like a yearly semiannual snapshot of affordable housing and where it
.
IS.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: I second that. I agree with
Commissioner Henning.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah. Before we take a vote on this, I'd
just like to take a minute or two to try to explain to the public what's
going on here and why we had this study.
We have, for years, been struggling to meet the affordable
housing requirements mandated by higher levels of government on
Collier County, and the only affordable housing that we could count
was that affordable housing that we helped create and controlled, and
that meant that all of the affordable housing that occurred naturally in
the community that we didn't control wasn't included in the inventory,
so it left us reporting substantial shortages of affordable housing.
And so we continued to have to try to meet those mandated
guidelines, and we just -- particularly what the economic downturn, it
was something that caused us to be overbuilding affordable housing
because we have so much naturally occurring affordable housing now
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because the median price of the homes has declined dramatically over
the past several years.
So we needed to develop a more comprehensive view of our
needs for affordable housing so that we didn't waste taxpayer money
building affordable housing that wasn't really needed. And so that's
why we went through this process, and we found out what we thought
we'd find out, that there's a lot of affordable housing in Collier County
and it is has occurred because market prices have dropped
dramatically.
So we're going -- there's a motion then to incorporate this into our
planning so that we can perform our planning in a more effective
manner.
So Commissioner Fiala? You had --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah, I appreciate everything
you've said, and I totally agree with you. I would like to add --
because I was going to really say this in the next subject, so you just
get to hear it now. It's either here or the next subject anyway.
What happened was, as Commissioner Coy Ie was saying, we
would only be able to count the housing that -- built with SHIP funds,
State Housing Improvement Project funds. And so that means -- that
wasn't created till what, 1996. So nothing that was built before 1996
was in the count.
And places like Golden Gate Estates, for instance, well, all of
those were built single-family homes, and so they didn't have SHIP
funds. So none of those were counted. So way back when we were
presented with our crisis mode -- everybody's in crises. We're 30,000
units short. We weren't 30,000 units short at all. They were all sitting
on the ground. They just weren't in the count because the state said
the count that they wanted was those that were built with SHIP funds.
And so I fought that bitterly, but all we could go by was the
figures that we received, not the actual figures. And so that's what
Commissioner Coyle is referring to, and we'll get into that in the next
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subj ect.
And so we demanded that people build affordable housing units
because we were 30,000 units short, and we weren't.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner Hiller?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I agree with Commissioner Fiala. I
had studied the issue at the same time, and I concur with her analysis.
She was exactly correct at that time, and her opinion was incorrectly
disregarded.
I want to comment on two issues. First, the numbers that staff
just provided us in their analysis. In an explanation that I have in front
of me summarizes that the above ranges of countywide totals, 4,209
and 127,144, represent 2 percent and 65 percent of the total dwelling
units in Collier County, which is 196,241.
We have an abundance of affordable housing. We do not need to
do anything to promote supply. We need to do what we can to help
demand.
And so any programs that are offered by the state that can
incentivize demand really need to be researched and focused on so we
can start reducing the excessive inventory we have.
Another statistic is, the inventory of actually restricted housing
units is 7,649, another extremely large number. And the conundrum,
in conclusion, is that the University of Florida, Shimberg Center for
Housing Studies, indicates that we have a need for an additional 732
affordable housing units each year beginning in 2010 to 2015, which
would be -- well, I don't want to get into the details. It speaks for
itself.
So I think from a public policy standpoint we have to look at the
affordable housing element of our Comprehensive Plan and be very
careful in how we award affordable housing density bonuses and what
kind of demands we place on developers to develop affordable homes.
On the other hand, I want to repeat and emphasize, we need to
help purchasers get into those homes where they qualify, you know,
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based on income, and we do have programs out there that can help on
the demand side.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, I need to -- thank you so much.
You just opened the door. I'm sorry I'm taking so much time. But
anyway, you're absolutely right.
These Shimberg numbers, by the way, were based on the
numbers that our staff gave them that were flawed in the first place, so
they came back with a flawed report.
But secondly, you're talking about all of the plethora -- the
plethora of all of the affordable housing units on the market. And
what's happening right now, folks -- and this is happening all the time
-- they're buying them to the courthouse steps and they're buying them
for cheap to practically nothing, and they're renting them out.
And what's happening is, they're renting them out; you get five,
six, seven -- I just -- I have to tell you, one had 27 people in it that was
just raided recently; 27 people, 18 of them are under age.
And that's what's happening with -- when you have -- when you
have a tremendous amount of extra affordable housing units that aren't
needed, you get these people that buy them up as speculators, and then
your neighborhoods start going downhill.
So I totally agree with you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. We're going to get to a vote one
of these days.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Not soon.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes. And I agree with
everybody. I think we're all on the same page on this.
There's -- if we're going to do anything for affordable housing, it
should be the renovation of existing housing out there like they're
doing in North -- in East Naples there, like they do in other places in
this county.
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It makes sense. Instead of taking money and trying to build new
units to compete with the other units you can't fill, make sure that
those money and those dollars are directed in a fashion that's going to
really serve the public and take units off the market that are in the way
at this point in time.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: What do you say we vote on this now?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: No, no. I want to talk some
more.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: May I?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Go ahead.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: One recommendation. The way
you've grouped everything into this broader category called affordable
housing, and then you've got, you know, very low income, low
income, and moderate, I would suggest you go back to HOD
regulations and look at the definitions, because affordable housing, I
believe, is what you're defining as moderate.
And I'm not -- and you can verify this, you know, through your
research. But I think it would be a good idea to be consistent with
what the other researchers use in terms of how they categorize these
types of affordable housing.
MS. MOSCA: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, these are standard definitions.
They're mandated by the state, right?
MS. MOSCA: That's correct. We look at 30 percent, 50 percent,
80 percent.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: No, I understand that, but it's how
you label those categories.
MS. MOSCA: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I mean, where did you draw the
labels from? Like where did you -- because typically the term
affordable housing is applied to the moderate income housing
category, and very low and low income are labeled as such.
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MR. CASALANGUIDA: We'll check it.
MS. MOSCA: We'll check it.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
MS. MOSCA: Sure.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. We have a motion by
Commissioner Henning to accept this and incorporate it in our
planning, seconded by Commissioner Coletta.
Is there any further discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: The motion passes unanimously.
Now, in the interest of preventing a great travesty here, we have
people sitting here who are paying a lawyer to wait until we get to
their item. And if we don't go to it next, that lawyer is going to earn a
lot of money today sitting around. So anything I can do to keep Rich
Y ovanovich from making more money today, I'll be happy to do.
Item #10A
RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF ON
SELECTION OF PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE TO ADDRESS
ACCESS TO E'S COUNTRY STORE ON OIL WELL ROAD,
CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION - MOTION
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APPROVING ALTERNATIVE #5 (MODIFIED ALTERNATIVE
#4) THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE COUNTY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND REVIEWED BY THE BOARD'S
CHAIRMAN - APPROVED
CHAIRMAN COYLE: So I'd like to take Item lOA and see if
we can't get through that fairly quickly, and then we'll proceed with
our other business.
MR.OCHS: Yes, sir. lOA is a recommendation that the Board
of County Commissioners provide direction to staff on selection of
preferred alternative to address access to E's Country Store on Oil
Well Road, which is currently under construction. Mr. Feder will
present.
MR. FEDER: For the record, Norman Feder, administrator of
Growth Management Division.
Commissioners, I'll seek to be brief. We have a presentation we
can make if it's the board's desire.
This is an item that's come to you a couple of times under public
petition as part of the construction of Oil Well Road, the four-lane
section between Immokalee and Everglades Boulevard. We do have
now a median, where there was none under a two-lane configuration;
therefore, the E's General Store now faces the prospect under current
design configuration of a right-in, right-out only on Oil Well. They do
have a right-in, right-off (sic) also on Immokalee Road.
They've come requesting, because of their feeling of need for
access basically traveling westbound on Oil Well Road, a left-turn
directional median opening.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Do you have a map to show us that,
Norm?
MR. FEDER: Yes, I think -- what Rich is showing you there is
essentially north to the top; west, of course, to the left; and east to the
right.
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What you've got -- what you've got there shown is essentially E's,
which is at the corner today. They do have a right-in, right-out that's
fairly close to the intersection today. With the median, where it has a
left turn into Waterways, basically traveling eastbound, they're
requesting, as you see here in green, basically the median be open
allowing them to get a directional left that they would share cost
properties with the Orangetree shopping center to get access to their
property from those people that are traveling westbound on Oil Well
Road.
The process that we've gone through on this is, you've got four
alternatives identified in your package from purely a transportation
standpoint, safety, with two schools in the area. Our desire would be
to keep, as we've designed it, the median without an opening;
however, we recognize that we're impacting E's General Store, and for
a period of time there's capacity that could accommodate allowing
them this access.
Alternative two that you have is, the quickest way to address that
would have been to have the left-turn opening come directly into
Valencia Drive, what you see right here, which is now closed as part
of an agreement with the community as we were developing the Oil
Well Road project, and the community didn't want to see that future
commercial which wraps around and comes back into this area, have
traffic come through their neighborhood.
So that is alternative two, but working with Commissioner
Coletta, that was a grave concern to the community that we actually
sought closure of that even in the first project.
The last meeting we had, we had brought forward to you
basically what you're seeing here, now you see colors on it because of
phasing options I'll go through in a second, but essentially you had a
concept that would establish the left-turn median opening, have it go
across property -- it's Mr. Bolt's property -- but it's the Orangetree
PUD shopping center, that he's going to give easement so that E's can
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then get access onto their development.
The concept overall would be, then you would have the right-in,
right-out moved further to the east away from the intersection, that's
the red that you see right here, and that that would become the access
point for that future commercial shopping center.
Additionally, with the neighborhood concerns, Valencia would
be -- remain closed off, and they would provide easement for a
turnaround for emergency vehicles and the like at the end of what
would now be a cul-de-sac on Valencia Drive.
We had brought that to you the last board meeting, thought we
had everything worked out, and E's was not in a position to build all of
these improvements at one time. They requested a phasing plan, and
part of the phasing is that on Oil Well Road itself, we were not to
impact the commercial development at E's. We're going to develop a
barrier wall with guardrail and handrail. They're saying that they'll
now give us that easement, the easement across, as well, Bolt's
shopping center property to allow us to reduce our cost of construction
by a slope.
Doing that, there is some savings to be realized to the county. At
first the discussions in alternative four, which Rich will probably want
to speak to in a second, was that those savings be used to build the
median opening and left turn, but also to build the diagonal or the road
that would come in off of that to access to E's.
We had major concerns with that, and the idea that while the
savings accrue to the county, typically that shopping center, when it
does come forward, would build all of those issues, and those are
on-site or site-related improvements that we didn't feel the public
should be building.
That was our major concern to alternative four. We think that
that's resolved. And with that, what I will do is recognize,
Commissioner Hiller worked strongly what us and with the applicant,
along with the efforts of Commissioner Coletta, and I think they have
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a proposal that, depending on what I hear Rich say today, I think we
can concur with.
So I'll let Rich speak to the mike now.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Good afternoon. For the record, Rich
Y ovanovich for the petitioner.
And we have -- we basically have come to a modified -- it would
now be alternative number five, which is really alternative number
four, but addresses the concerns staffhad raised concerning who paid
for the on-site related improvements.
And we've basically agreed, if everything goes well, there'll be a
savings for the Oil Well Road project of about $100,000. It will cost
50- or $60,000 to build the left-turn lane, which would leave
somewhere between 40- or $50,000 that would go to the county in lieu
of our original proposal to be used by E's for the on-site related
improvements.
And then we've also -- we've agreed to basically nine -- nine
business points, their first business -- and they're on the visualizer for
you. I hope you can see them -- that the improvements would be
phased and constructed in two phases, and Norman already took you
through the two phases and what's in that. So items one, two, and
three really talk about the phasing.
The cost savings would go to the county after they build the
left-turn lane, which is business point number four. E's would be
responsible for the design and permitting of all the Phase I
improvements. So we'll deal with your contractor to make sure there
is, in fact, a savings and there's not a delay in time. So we'll do the
design permitting and -- design and permitting of Phase I. The county
will actually construct the turn lane, and we'll construct the on-site
improvements.
All of the necessary easements between the shopping center
developer and the county will be conveyed to the county within 30
days of the designing of the agreement. All of the necessary
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easements between E's and the shopping center developer will also be
conveyed between ourselves within 30 days of the agreement, so that
will be for both Phase I and Phase II.
So all the necessary easements will be in place from the get-go,
and you won't have to worry about future issues regarding that.
The county -- and I've talked to the County Attorney's Office.
We had broken down the closure of the median into two issues, one
related to safety and one related to operation. The County Attorney's
Office has requested that we just have one condition related to the
closure of the median, and that would -- if there's a safety-related issue
or an operational-related issue, it would come back to the Board of
County Commissioners for the closure of that median. And if there
was an emergency situation where they needed to close it first, it
would come back for ratification depending on -- depending on the
timing of that scenario.
So I think we've addressed the ability for the county to close that
median opening for safety- and operational-related issues.
And finally, I had forgotten on the business points until Mr.
Klatzkow reminded me this morning, was that since E's is an existing
gas station, there will be some easements that will be across that
property, and we would provide indemnification if there were any
contamination-related issues related to that easement property.
And then -- and finally, the agreement would call for, since it's an
existing parcel of property -- it's really not a business point, but
wanted to point this out to the commission. Since it's an -- E's is an
existing site, you have in your Land Development Code, when you
take right-of-way related to that, if the buffer is reduced because of
that right-of-way, you don't have to replace it.
So we, at the end of the day, will have a five-foot-wide buffer on
this property after we give the county the necessary easements in the
future for the right-turn lane. So the staff asked me, or the County
Attorney's Office asked me, to point that out because that would be
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included in the agreement.
I want to thank Norm for working with us, and all of the
commissioners for helping us, especially Commissioner Coletta in his
district, and Ms. Hiller in the end also. But this has been a tough
issue, and the community is, I think, very appreciative of what we've
been able to accomplish with the leadership of the commission.
And I hope you can direct your staff to -- I hope you can accept
these business points and then leave it to your county attorney to put
these business points into the county's form agreement. We're on kind
of a short time frame because construction's already occurring out
there, and we need to really get the permitting done quickly so that the
contractor doesn't actually start working on those southern two lanes
and then we lose the ability to do the cost saving and keep this
business open.
I hope that addresses the questions and concerns you may have
regarding this, and we're asking the commission to approve the
business points and direct your attorney to craft the agreement.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah, a couple of questions.
First, Norm, if I may?
MR. FEDER: Yes, Commissioner.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: What we're looking at is -- it's
been a long process getting here.
MR. FEDER: It has been.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And my God, what has it been,
two months?
MR. FEDER: Yes.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Is there anything that's missing
from here as far as costs -- costs that we may incur because of the fact
we're starting when we are now, or are we in plenty of time as far as
that -- the road construction goes?
MR. FEDER: I think we are. I think Rich's point is well taken.
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The quicker the better, but they're going to work with the contractor
on their portion of it. We're going to work with the contractor after
they've signed on the median opening. We should be okay on that if
we can proceed expeditiously.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And can you explain to me what
we mean about phasing in the -- over there at Valencia, the
turnaround?
MR. FEDER: Yes, yes. There's a couple of important points,
and a couple of things I wanted to raise to what Rich hit on. But what
you see here in green is proposed in what's being called Phase I. So in
Phase I they would provide us all the easements that you see here in
green and in red.
We would, with their redesign, get with our contractor and
modify the approach here utilizing the slope easement, therefore
having savings of the wall, the handrail, and the guardrail.
We would, once they're done with that, work with the contractor
to build the turn lane and the median opening. They would then build
this other section in green for connection.
When the developer of the shopping center comes in, the concept
is, those items in red, most important in many respects for us is, the
right-in, right-out, very close to Immokalee today, would then be
moved further -- excuse me, I keeping moving this -- further to the
east away from the intersection, and that's critical to us, and we wish
we were getting it now, but because of costs, we're being told that we
can only do this in two phases.
The one critical issue -- I'll go to the points, and I hope I'm not
surprising Rich with this one. I didn't think I was -- but the design
also on the turnaround, while we agreed that that would be a Phase II
construction or the county would have to construct it quicker, that
needs to be in that initial design if that is possible, because we're going
to have to build that.
The minute you set up that, in fact, you're going to have the
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median opening in that turn-in, as it's depicted here. You're going to
have to keep Valencia closed, and we can't afford not to have that
turnaround built for emergency response.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: The think the way we were agreeing to
address that was, if the county determined that they needed to build
the turnaround sooner than Phase II, the county could build the
turnaround, and we would reimburse the county the costs associated
with Phase II when we actually went forward with the construction of
the shopping center. So you can build it earlier, and we would re- --
we would reimburse you for that building when we came forward with
Phase II.
MR. FEDER: And the only thing I'm asking differently is, when
you're working to design the changes here, this roadway and the left
turn, which you said you're doing --
MR. YOV ANOVICH: It would include the design for the
turnaround is what you're asking, yes.
MR. FEDER: The design for the turnaround.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Yes, yes.
MR. FEDER: Okay. If we have that, then--
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. So got that squared
away.
MR. FEDER: -- we can build on our own. We'd have to build
that, and then we'd have to seek reimbursement from that from the
shopping center when it came forward, just so the board knows that.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Can we legally do that?
MR. YOV ANOVICH: They're a party to this.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. They are?
MR. YOV ANOVICH: There's a three-party agreement.
Remember, one of the things you insisted was that we make sure we
had all of the property owners as a party to this three-party agreement.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: So every -- they're a party to this.
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COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Great.
MR. FEDER: The other thing I'd like to get on the record is
while -- as Rich noted -- and the points are here. Excuse me. I've got
that upside down. Have I got the right one, Rich?
MR. YOVANOVICH: Yes.
MR. FEDER: Okay. Basically what I wanted to point out--
yeah. This is the one that Rich changed. Excuse me.
What I wanted to point out and just get on the record is while, as
the attorney noted, we're not looking for separate issues now on
possible closure for safety or operational aspects, I want to make sure
the board is very clear that if we find, again, for health, safety,
welfare, that there is a safety problem out there, we have the right to
immediately close it and then come to the board to seek ratification of
that, and I think that's what Rich was telling you.
The second part though is on operational. We were talking to
them about trying to keep it open at least two years, but again, the key
issue on operations -- and I just wanted to get on the record -- is that as
soon as traffic queues start to back up beyond this area, which creates
a problem also for the left-in to Waterways, at that time we would--
we'd look at the issue of bringing to this board the need for closure.
But I wanted this board to understand there would be some criteria and
that that is well anticipated to happen, but hopefully happen in the
future, as both of us are assuming at this point.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Mr. Yovanovich, do you agree
with that?
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Yes, sir, and that was the revision I
mentioned earlier.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And that would that be part of
the approval.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: That's part of the revised business points
I put up, Commissioner.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Mr. Klatzkow, is this sufficient
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for an agreement?
MR. KLATZKOW: Well, let me just set a predicate.
Norm, do I have time to bring this back to the board for the next
meeting or not?
MR. FEDER: We need to move very quickly because the
contractor's out there. They're finishing that north side of the roadway
and starting to get on the south.
I need Rich to -- how quickly, Rich, can your designer design it?
MR. YOV ANOVICH: We're actually working on the design
now, but it takes time to permit and modify permits that are out there,
so we're really pushing it if we were to come back and not have an
agreement until January.
MR. FEDER: Can we bring it back to the board for ratification
in January with the understanding --
MR. KLATZKOW: Well, yeah, but you can't unscramble an
egg. Once you start the project, bringing it back to the board for
ratification is, you know --
MR. FEDER: I understand.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And of course, you'd be
proceeding at your own risk.
MR. KLATZKOW: Now, I wouldn't mind if the board
designated one of you to -- who was going to sign to review the
document to make sure you were comfortable with it rather than us
just doing it. Normally it's the Chair, but I know Commissioner
Coletta's involved with this.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, okay. I'll make a motion
that we approve the modified number five option here, and that we
have Commissioner Coyle be the designee as the Chair to be able to
sign off on it as the -- if he sees that it's complete.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I'll throw it in the hopper with Jackson
Labs and work it all out.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Sure. You've got plenty of
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time. Just give up eating.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: So was that a motion?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: You've got a motion, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
MR. MITCHELL: Sir, we have one public speaker.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, we've got some commissioners
who want to speak also.
But I have a concern. I'm really, really happy that you reached
an agreement, but you don't have anything to present to us to make a
motion about. And the only thing we can say is, we want to do what
you just said, and what you just said and what we write down into a
contract could likely be slightly different. So there's nothing
definitive about a motion, and so you're going to have me, one
commissioner, look at it and see if it's what it's supposed to be.
I don't mind doing that. I'll do the best I can with it, but you have
to understand when you come before this body and you don't have a
clear motion, just have business points and what you think you'd like
to do, it's really very tenuious until you get it into a legal document.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Right.
MR. KLATZKOW: I have a standard form developer's
contribution agreement I utilize. I will use that as the base. Pretty
much these will be the business points, and the rest of it -- much of the
rest of it, sir, will be boilerplate that this commission has seen many
times before.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: And we have reason to believe that all
three parties will accept our interpretation of these business points.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Yes, sir. And we've already submitted a
substantial draft to your county attorney based upon the format that
you're familiar with seeing. We just couldn't get it all in a final format
by today, but we understand the risk.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I'm happy to give it a shot.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Appreciate that.
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: I'm just telling you, this is not the way I
like to do business.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: And neither for us, but we're just on a
short time frame to get it done.
MR. KLATZKOW: And just one last point. And I agree with
you, I hate doing things like this, too. I'd much prefer getting back to
the board.
These obligations will run with the land.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Absolutely, absolutely.
MR. KLATZKOW: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay, good.
Commissioner Hiller?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: My comments have been stated by
you and by County Attorney Klatzkow. I think it's essential that all
contracts be brought to the board, drafted for approval as written, so in
this case, because the road is moving forward and these negotiations
have taken a very long time, an exception is being made, but by no
means should this ever be the standard.
And one other comment. I think we need to make provision for
the county attorney to have enough time to review contracts before
they're presented to the board. So I would like to recommend that
County Attorney Klatzkow come back to the board at our next
meeting and suggest how much time you need to review a contract
and that be set as the standard before something is brought to us for
vote.
MR. KLATZKOW: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Now, who is going to do the
improvements off the road right-of-way?
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Are you talking about this green area
right here, Commissioner Henning?
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COMMISSIONER HENNING: That's one of them, yes.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Everything that you see within the
property itself, this portion of the red -- actually all of the red is going
to be constructed by the shopping center developer, and this portion of
the green will be constructed by E's. The only thing the county will be
constructing is this portion of the left-turn lane within the county
right-of-way.
Everything else -- if you decide to build the turnaround, you'll
build this turnaround, but right now it's an obligation that we build it
unless you build it earlier and then we would reimburse you for it.
But all of the red is contemplated that we would build it unless
you choose to build the turnaround at an earlier time.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: What easements do we need?
MR. YOV ANOVICH: You will need -- you will need easements
for the turnaround, you will need an easement for this right-turn lane,
you'll need slope easements to get rid of the stem wall and guardrail
that's in the current plan, so we will give you all of those easements.
Those are the easements you will need.
We will need from the shopping center developer this portion of
the green and this portion of the red.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: And will that include
maintenance easements?
MR. YOV ANOVICH: The only thing you're going to be
required to maintain is the green left-turn lane and Oil Well Road.
Since you'll already own that, you'll already have the necessary
maintenance easements. And yes, if -- on the turnaround, you'll have
the necessary maintenance easements as well for the turnaround.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. Usually when we have--
when we repave a road, we repave the turn lanes also; is that a correct
statement?
MR. FEDER: Yes. Associated with the roadway, yes.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. So wouldn't you want a
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maintenance agreement on that part? The part in red, which -- the turn
lane.
MR. FEDER: The turn lane in red won't be built until the
shopping center comes forward. The commitment being made by E's
is to move their right-in, right-out further to the east, away from the
intersection at that time.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: The -- why are we -- why do we
want a maintenance easement across the turnaround?
MR. FEDER: The turnaround, I need a maintenance easement
because that section of road in Valencia would be on their property --
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Who's their?
MR. FEDER: -- a public road. It is, right now, part of the
Orangetree PUD property.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay.
MR. FEDER: And they would then be giving that easement to us
as part of a public roadway. So I don't need a maintenance easement.
I'm not sure I know what you're saying.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Well, why do we want to -- why
do we want that turnaround as public?
MR. FEDER: Turnaround is public because we're closing off
Valencia Drive, which is currently a public roadway.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay.
MR. FEDER: We need to make sure we give them emergency
response access as well as Waste Management trucks and others the
ability to turn around.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I got it.
MR. FEDER: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Notice Norm's tie. Everybody see
his tie? Cars?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: No, I hadn't noticed it.
MR. FEDER: I was doing well until then, right, Commissioner?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah. Let's hear the public speaker,
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please, Ian.
MR. MITCHELL: There's just one public speaker. Peter Gaddy.
MR. GADDY: Good afternoon, Commissioners.
Commissioner Hiller, welcome to the board.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
MR. GADDY: I just want to point out that Burt and Bias are
outstanding members of the community, together with E's Country
Store. They participate in a number of events with both the civic
association, of which I'm president, and with the other civic
association, HOGGE, they're very important to the Golden Gate
Estates community. They are the largest employer in Golden Gate
Estates. We'd like to keep those jobs. Thanks for finding a way.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner Hiller?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Rich, I just want to confirm one
issue that we had discussed, and that was that both property owners
were going to waive any claims against the county in the future for
having closed off access from Valencia to Oil Well.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: That's correct, and that's in the draft
agreement we provided to the county already. But you're correct, that
was -- that's a requirement of the agreement.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All right. We have a motion to approve
a modified alternative four, I presume. It's called alternative five --
MR. YOVANOVICH: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- that you will present to the county
attorney, I will review it to assure compliance with what's on the
record today, and we'll proceed as quickly as possible to get this all
permitted and moving forward, right?
MR. YOVANOVICH: Yes. We thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. All in favor of the motion, please
signify by saying aye.
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. It's done.
Now before we go to the next item, Commissioner Hiller had
expressed an interest in telling us something about the court reporter,
and we didn't give her a chance before we broke.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Oh, yes. What I was going to say
about the court reporter as to transparency, the obligation of
transparency is on behalf of government to the people. The public has
a different interest. They have the right to privacy. This lady is a
private citizen. She has the right to privacy. What she's doing here,
why she's here is none of our business.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, that clarified it. Okay. Thank you
very much.
Item #8A
COLLIER DAVIS, LLC, REPRESENTED BY ROBERT ANDREA
OF COASTAL ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS, INC., IS
REQUESTING A REZONE FROM THE ESTATES (E) ZONING
DISTRICT TO THE MIXED USE PLANNED UNIT
DEVELOPMENT (MPUD) ZONING DISTRICT FOR A PROJECT
TO BE KNOWN AS THE DAVIS RESERVE MPUD TO ALLOW
FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MAXIMUM OF 234
DWELLING UNITS INCLUDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND
A MAXIMUM OF 35,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL
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RETAIL AND OFFICE USES. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY,
CONSISTING OF 22.83 ACRES, IS LOCATED IN THE
SOUTHEAST QUADRANT OF THE INTERSECTION OF DAVIS
BOULEVARD AND COUNTY BARN ROAD, IN SECTION 8,
TOWNSHIP 50 SOUTH, RANGE 26 EAST, COLLIER COUNTY,
FLORIDA (RELATED TO ITEM # 16A4) - WITHDRAWN BY
PETITIONER; MOTION DIRECTING STAFF TO PREPARE A
BOARD INITIATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT
AFTER WHICH TIME THE PETITIONER WILL RETURN WITH
A (PUD) REZONE REQUEST THAT INCLUDES REMOVING
AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND COMMERCIAL ELEMENTS
AND LIMITING DENSITY TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE (5) UNITS
PER ACRE - APPROVED
CHAIRMAN COYLE: We're going to 8A, County Manager.
MR. OCHS: Yes, sir. This is your advertised public hearings.
8A, this item continued from the November 9, 2010, BCC meeting at
staff s request.
This item requires that all participants be sworn in and ex parte
disclosure be provided by commission members. Collier Davis, LLC,
represented by Robert Andrea of Coastal Engineering Consultants,
Inc., is requesting a rezone from the Estates zoning district to the
mixed-use planned unit development zoning district for a project to be
known as the Davis Reserve MPUD -- excuse me -- MPUD to allow
for the development of a maximum of 234 dwelling units, including
affordable housing, and a maximum of35,000 square feet of
commercial retail and office uses.
The subject property consisting of22.83 acre is located in the
southeast quadrant of the intersection of Davis Boulevard and County
Barn Road in Section 8, Township 50 south, Range 26 east, Collier
County, Florida.
And the petitioner will present, I believe.
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: Is right in the front row here.
Would all the people who are going to provide testimony in this
hearing stand and be sworn in, please. That means everybody.
(The speakers were duly sworn and indicated in the affirmative.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Now for ex parte disclosure.
We'll start with Commissioner Hiller.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I've had meetings, emails, staff
reports. That should be about it.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. I've reviewed staff reports.
I've had meetings with Bob Pritt. I attended a homeowner association
meeting with the Glen Eagle folks. I've had lots of emails from
constituents. I've spoken with Mark Strain, with other Planning
Commissioners as well, and I've done a lot of research on this.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. I have received emails,
correspondence concerning this item going back to four years ago, I
guess, when we first heard this. I have met with the attorney for the
petitioner, Mr. Bob Pritt on September the 27th, 2006 and on
December the 13th, 2010 to discuss this item.
Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes, sir. And like you, I've had
numerous emails on the subject. I've also met with the petitioner and
reviewed the staff report.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I reviewed -- I seen partial of
the Planning Commission meeting, talked to some of the Planning
Commission members, reviewed the Planning Commission's staff
report. I've had a voluminous amount of emails from the public, and
they're all in my record if anybody would like to view them.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Commissioner Coyle?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yes, ma'am.
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Before we begin, this has been such
a controversial subject, and I think I've come up with a solution that
would be a workable solution. I presented my idea to Bob Pritt the
other day. He didn't seem to think it was too bad either. And I've
talked to a few other people about it.
So I was wondering if I might present this idea, and maybe this
would be a good answer to -- to something that the residents have had
a deep concern about. Would that be okay?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Sure, go ahead.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay, fine.
One of the main objections from the residents in the area is the
density; way too dense. They were concerned also about the
commercial, and there were many other things about it as well. What
I suggested to Bob, why couldn't we go back to what the land was
originally suggested for, and that's four dwelling units per acre,
period; four dwelling units per acre, but that would mean because this
has become a part of the Land -- Growth Management Plan, we have
to make a GMP amendment in order to take out all of the extra things
that were added, all the extra density and commercial and affordable
housing component and so forth and bring it back to just market rate,
four units per acre.
But I think the neighbors -- as long as the dwelling units would
be in harmony with the other communities surrounding the area, such
as Countryside and Kings Lake and Eagle -- Glen Eagle, if it would
feel like it's in keeping and in harmony with the community, I think it
might be an acceptable solution.
And so then I talked with our staff member and said, but it would
cost the developer $50,000 in order to have a Growth Management
Plan amendment, but much of the -- much of the planning and much
of the paperwork had already been done when it was put into the
GMP, and I asked Nick if there was a way that we could work with
this developer to give him credit for all of those things and just charge
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for the time that we have involved or will be involved as well as the
advertising.
And so, Nick, are you someplace? Ah, there you are.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Commissioner, for the record, Nick
Casalanguida. Yes, ma'am, you did discuss that with me, and that is
something we said, if the board Opined that they want to do that, we
could look at that simply.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And Bob, have you talked with your
developer?
MR. PRITT: On behalf of Barry Goldmeier, the concern that we
have is the cost of having to go back through a Compo Plan
amendment, a developer-initiated or a citizen-initiated Compo Plan
amendment because of the cost. The cost is over $25,000. We
probably -- and there's no guarantee that it would be approved by the
board, and you couldn't give a guarantee.
What I -- what I propose and -- what I would propose and suggest
is that the board consider doing what you have done before. You
made a -- after this Compo Plan amendment went through and the
affordable housing provision was put into the Compo Plan, the board
did make a board-initiated Compo Plan amendment or GMP
amendment itself in 2007, and that's what we have here today.
I would ask that the board consider directing staff to consider a
board-initiated Compo Plan amendment to take out the affordable
housing provision, and we would be happy to work with the board or
the staff on anything else that you think ought to be done with the
GMP provision for this subdistrict and would be very willing to hold
off on the application until such time as that was resolved by the
board.
I was somewhat surprised by the conversation a few minutes ago
that the -- that maybe the report was flawed back when we were
asking for the Compo Plan amendment. I did not know that until just
minutes ago on that. Whether it was or wasn't, I think that we really
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don't need affordable housing in the Growth Management Plan now in
2010. Things changed since 2005. I think everybody would say that.
So without -- you know, without passing blame around or
anything like that, I would just ask that the board would consider
instructing staff to take that out, and we will be happy to work with
any other aspect that -- of that subdistrict GMP that the board or the
staff would like to have us take a look at.
Barry, could you agree to that?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Could I -- let me weigh in on that for just
a moment.
Mr. Pritt, you're absolutely correct. This was a board-initiated
action, and we did it on the basis of information that we were required
to use by the state in calculating affordable housing requirements.
We have sufficient information today to depart from those
guidelines, I think, and I think it's entirely appropriate that the board
initiate the Growth Management Plan provision for this particular
petition.
It will not set a precedent because this was an unusual situation,
and -- but I would say that before the board could make a commitment
to incur those expenses to do that, we would need to have some reason
to believe that Commissioner Fiala's solution would gain your support
and would be acceptable to your client and would be acceptable to the
community.
But I think that is the perfect solution, and I would be willing to
support it if we can get the sense of the community and get the sense
of your client about agreeing that you go to the base density for this
development.
MR. PRITT: I would have to have Mr. Goldmeier address the
board on that, because I think that's not -- or that's a little -- we're
talking about a major reduction in density, and I don't think that we
would want to go to that point until we see what the GMP would then
say, and then bring it back -- the matter would still be in front of you,
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then bring it back. And if it had to be amended in a significant way,
possibly even go back to the Planning Commission -- but bring it back
for review after you have completely vetted the issue of what to do
with the Davis -- Collier -- or the Davis/Barn district, subdistrict. I'll
be glad to have him address you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. But you -- please understand our
-- my position. We're going to spend significant time and effort doing
this at no expense to you without any assurance that once we do it, it
will be acceptable to you and the community. I would like to get
some indication today during this hearing rather than spending the
time and money to make the Growth Management Plan provision, and
then two years from now we find that everybody changed their mind
about all the other things. So we need to have some indication of
where we're likely to go if we choose to do that, to make that move.
Commissioner Fiala was asking questions, and I interrupted her,
and Commissioner Coletta has some questions to ask. So I will turn it
back over to Commissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well, I see Mr. Goldmeier continue
to shake his head. We could just vote no on it and let it go.
(Applause. )
MR. PRITT: Could we -- could I have Mr. Goldmeier talk to
you directly?
MR. GOLDMEIER: Thank you very much for the opportunity.
Barry Goldmeier, 1000 Mariner Drive, Key Biscayne.
And by the way, I appreciate your suggestion, and the place --
the one and only issue that I'm objecting to is going to the base
density. That would have been nice six years ago. I would have
accepted that six years ago.
But here we are $700,000 spent in pursuing this site plan and this
kind of -- this kind of project which has been entirely lost with all the
political rhetoric and the mischaracterizations of the project, because
you as a board have not heard what project it will be. You have only
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heard what I would consider to be mischaracterizations, and those
mischaracterizations came from the fact that this board inserted an
affordable/workforce housing requirement in the project, and from
that -- from that point on everything else was lost.
Now, just as a little history, we came -- I came to this county, and
I've done a very successful project, an affordable housing project in
Immokalee which, by the way, today is 98 percent occupancy, unlike
-- and some of that is because of the design and the high quality of the
product, and I'd imagine -- and I think that Commissioner Coletta's
familiar with Main Street Village.
And when we built that project, we were asked by county staff,
can't we come to county proper, can't we come west? We acquired a
site to do an affordable housing project on Rattlesnake Hammock
Road, and while looking at that, we found this site, which is far too
nice and far too well located to be an affordable housing project to do
a conventional housing project, because we don't only do affordable
housing.
And we began down the road to do a type of product that has
been very successful elsewhere in Florida. It's a traditional
neighborhood design project. We met with county staff and described
and showed pictures and plans of what a traditional neighborhood
design project is, and somehow that was all lost also.
Our Compo Plan amendment came out as a mixed-use project
with bonuses to do a mixed-use project but with no T&D elements as
part of that, yet we persisted, and we went to meeting after meeting
trying to describe how a traditional neighborhood design project is
actually superior to the other projects surrounding us.
And my way of basically stating that is in Collier County I've
only seen three or four traditional neighborhood design projects.
There's one called Ole' off of -- off of 41, there's one called Mercato
off Vanderbilt Road, and there's one near downtown called Bayside, I
believe, and those projects are traditional neighborhood design
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projects. And guess what, they're all very expensive, high-end
projects.
Now, the reason that they're expensive, high-end projects is
because it costs a lot more to do a traditional neighborhood design
project. First of all, you have to have your services in the back of the
project and your parking in the back of the project.
Secondly, instead of basically putting decor and architectural
features only on the front of the building, because now you have a
building which has a front and a back, both of which are viewed, you
have to put your architectural features on the front and the back. And
the result is a much more attractive and successful type of product
which has only been built in high-end projects.
Now, where -- we wanted to attempt that in a mid-range project,
not an affordable project, not a high-end project, but something in
between. And those traditional neighborhood design elements would
have been very successful, but nobody has been able to even comment
on that, aside from one or two people on the planning board, because
the entire characterization of the project has been, it is an affordable
housing project.
Now, we would be -- and by the way, I'm very appreciative,
Commissioner Fiala, of your suggestion. The only place where you
lost me is going down to the base density. This project, this location
at the -- at a major intersection on a major road into Naples is too
valuable a piece of property to build estate homes.
And in fact, it is -- if you want to talk about the characteriza- --
the character of the neighborhood, the neighborhood is apartment
projects. You have Napoli across the street, you have behind it -- you
have Falling Waters and you have Glen Eagle, which has a very dense
multifamily project apportioned to it, so -- and you have right across
the street a four-story ALF. So we are in fitting with the
neighborhood.
Secondly, we are not bordered by any other residential project.
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We have a church on one end and we're -- we have a school, Seacrest
school that wraps around us, and those are our neighbors.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And the autism school.
MR. GOLDMEIER: Sorry?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And the school on autism, school
for autistic children.
MR. GOLDMEIER: I don't -- Seacrest school, no.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No, next door to Seacrest, right on
the back of your property.
MR. GOLDMEIER: I'm sorry. I'm unaware of that,
Commissioner Fiala. But we are bordered by churches and schools,
let's say. And I do believe if this board were to consider the project
and not just throw out the density as an issue -- because it's only a
number -- and to consider the quality of traditional neighborhood
design projects, that you'd see that we would bring you something
that's very appealing, and I would point -- and I could -- I have
pictures with me of Ole', which is basically the same kind of project,
different -- different architectural style, but same type of project,
which I think has been well received in this community.
And all we're talking about is numbers and a number as far as
who is affordable. Well -- and how many affordable do we have to
have, and also a number which is density. And your -- you've all had
to run in political contests. You're familiar with characterizations and
mischaracterizations, and all we're asking to do is to be able to bring
you a traditional neighborhood design project, and you judge it on its
merits, not by a number. That's -- that's all.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Let's hear from the public
speakers. How many do we have, Ian?
MR. MITCHELL: Seven, sir.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Can we continue this discussion,
because I think that -- because I would like to hear from the public
after we give some direction or give some concepts. After all, we're
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the decision makers but, you know, they're going to live with it.
So this is all new news to me, so -- and I have questions and
maybe some discussion with the board members to see if we can come
to a conclusion and then have the public give us some guidance.
Would that be okay, Commissioner?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I'll do it any way you want to do it. It's
always been our practice to try to collect the information from the
public before we form our opinions, and I think it's very helpful to do
that, quite frankly, rather than us forming our opinions among
ourselves and then listening to the --
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Well, I mean, I have some ideas
that I think that we can --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, let's take them in sequence then.
Commissioner Coletta was second, was next.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, to be honest with you, I'll
wait till after the public speaks.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: And Commissioner Hiller, were you
before Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I don't know.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: You got to go before him last time. It's
his time now.
Okay. Commissioner Henning, go ahead.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Mr. Goldstein (sic), what--
MR. GOLD MEIER: Goldmeier.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Goldmeier, I apologize. Please,
come up here.
What can we -- on a traditional neighborhood, as we talk about
Mercato or Bayfront, what kind of limitation of height or how many
stories can we limit?
MR. GOLDMEIER: Three stories, and we would -- we
anticipate having it two and three stories but with a three-story height
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limitation. We agreed to that for the planning board.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. And what -- what kind of
square- foot commercial would you be talking about?
MR. GOLDMEIER: Anywhere between 15,000 and 35,000. We
don't view the commercial as being traditional commercial which
would generate high traffic. We view this as a live/work community.
In -- it -- look, we share an office -- we share an entrance with the
church next door, and then we have another entrance way down, you
know, close to the entrance to Seacrest school. And this is not a
practical site for a large commercial user.
We're envisioning architects' offices, we're envisioning tutors,
we're envisioning nail salons, you know, things like that, to serve the
local community, because this is not a high-access site.
And also, that's part of the concept of the project, to cut down on
traffic and to have something that is self-contained that is walkable,
ridable with bikes, and my architect can explain it to you more
thoroughly.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: No, no. I think the explanation
-- if we can commit to that limitation in height, you're going to also
limitate -- there will be a limitation on your density.
MR. GOLDMEIER: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: And comparable to the
surrounding there would be -- would be comparable because in
Countryside we have three stories, I -- maybe four. I'm trying to
recall.
MR. GOLD MEIER: In Glen Eagle you have a four-story
product, and also at the entrance to Glen Eagle, you have an ALF,
which is four stories. We envision a much less dense product, but a
different kind of product which, as I said, has gotten totally lost in this.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Well, the -- well, you know, the
traditional neighborhood concept has really worked in the projects that
you mentioned. Those are the only traditional neighborhoods that we
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do have in Collier County, and they have worked.
MR. GOLDMEIER: That's all I came here to build. That's what
we tried to do.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. Ifwe could remove the
affordable housing component --
MR. GOLDMEIER: Yes.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: -- and let's do market rates with
the height limitation, that's probably what I would--
MR. GOLDMEIER: Yes.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: -- be in favor with --
MR. GOLD MEIER: I'll even agree to growing the units, because
we had a small-size unit which was an artifact of having the affordable
housing requirement, because being able to -- that was necessary
because when we had an affordable housing requirement, we had to
have a smaller unit, and there's been objections to the size of the units,
and we will work with that.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. Well, let's hear from the
public with -- and try to get some direction on that, and I appreciate
your patience, Mr. Chair.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner Hiller, you want
to speak now or after the public or both?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Yes, both. But I'll start with a
couple of questions.
First of all, Mr. Mitchell, could you put this on the overhead, or
could you --
MR. OCHS: Is that the density map, Commissioner?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: But it's a detailed density diagram.
MR.OCHS: Let me try this and see if it's the same thing.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It's the same thing.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: It is?
MR. MITCHELL: It is the same.
MR.OCHS: Is that what you have, ma'am?
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COMMISSIONER HILLER: I wanted the public to see what the
densities of the surrounding projects were before they discussed this.
The second question I have -- and subject site is at the end of the blue
pen.
The question I have is the definition of your traditional
neighborhood design. You describe Mercato, but then you say you
have a very small commercial portion, only about -- at the most
35,000 square feet. So how does your project compare to Mercato?
MR. GOLDMEIER: Well, this is part of what happened to the
application. We came in with -- to do a TND, and staff presented us
with a mixed-use -- they modeled the Compo Plan amendment after a
mixed-use project, and so our request to do a traditional neighborhood
design became a mixed-use project. And Mercato is primary -- it's
very high density and it's primarily retail and commercial.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Right.
MR. GOLDMEIER: But that's just an example of how the
parking is hidden in the back, and the streetscape is an attractive
streetscape. And I have here pictures, if you'd like me to show you, of
Marcato and Ole' and all the other ones if that would be helpful to this.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Well, I know exactly what
Mercato look likes. I'm just trying to relate what Mr. Pritt has shown
me, which is depicted in a very small rendering on the overhead, to
what you're describing. I really am having a hard time correlating the
two.
MR. GOLDMEIER: Well, we have full--
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I mean, other than that, you're
saying you're not going to have driveways facing the road?
MR. GOLDMEIER: Correct. We're going to have the -- if you
COMMISSIONER HILLER: But I guess I don't see how density
plays into which side of the building the driveway is going to face.
MR. GOLDMEIER: It has to do with the fact that a traditional
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neighborhood design project is a much more expensive project to
build. And in order to combat the economics of that, you have to have
a higher density. But the density is, in fact, presented in a much more
attractive manner. And I have here pictures ofMercato, I have
pictures of Ole', I have pictures of all the traditional neighborhood
design projects here.
We have a fully designed project that we've done on the East
Coast that I can show floor plans and renderings. I can -- I have
pictures of the project, of a similar project. But as I said, all of this
has gotten lost.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Could you go back to that density map?
So I'm going to talk now.
Now, zooming in again on Davis Reserve. All right. Davis
Reserve is 10.25 units per acre, to the north Glen Eagle is 4.14 units
per acre, Berkshire Lakes is 3.99, the Estates is one dwelling unit per
2.45 acres, and the county manager has covered up Napoli Luxury
Condo. It's four units per acre.
Now, tell me how you think that 10.25 units per acre is no more
dense than your surrounding communities.
MR. GOLDMEIER: Well, Glen Eagle has a golf course, and
that's taken into consideration. Napoli is -- has a much -- it's a very
wet site with a tremendous amount of preserve, and they -- they were
only able to build on little islands that were -- that were upland islands
remaining there, and so the size of the site is not truly indicative of the
density because the upland islands that are remaining have the
appearance of the same type of density or greater. Because I know
that -- I know that developer's a Miami developer, and he builds that
proj ect on the East Coast, and that is a -- you can do that same
product, and that same product's been done in an 18-unit-per-acre
density, and -- because all we're looking at is the upland islands, not
taking -- again, numbers. All of the wetlands surrounding it is just an
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-- you know, just distorts the numbers.
And the ones with golf courses, you really have to consider the
building pads, not the golf -- without the golf courses.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That's an interesting perspective, thank
you.
Let's hear from the public.
MR. MITCHELL: The first speaker will be Bob Martell, and
he'll be followed by Paul Lighton.
MR. MARTELL: Welcome, Commissioner Hiller.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
MR. MARTELL: My name is Bob Martell. I'm the president of
the master association of Glen Eagle Golf and Country Club. We've
been mischaracterized during this whole six-year process as being
opposed to the affordable housing component, and that's not true.
From day one, we've been against the enormous high density of the
project. That has been our objection for the past six years.
U sing the affordable housing component to get bonus units is just
that, in my mind.
If you talk about Ole' as an example -- I know a little bit about
Ole'. Waste Management can't get in those roads, so they have to use
alternative means to collect the trash in there, and that's a very
high-density unit also.
So I'm not going to be repetitive, but I am telling you that our
objection is high density. It doesn't fit with the community. It hasn't
fit since day one.
I would be amenable to the four-per-acre proposal that
Commissioner Fiala proposed, and that's all I have to say. I just think
it's wrong.
I'm really concerned that the Planning Commission, who pointed
out 23 or 24 reasons to turn it down, are being asked for you to
overturn them. It really concerns me.
Thank you for your time.
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MR. MITCHELL: The next speaker is Paul Lighton, and he'll be
followed by Evan Steingart. Could we use both podiums, please.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Mr. Steingart, are you here?
MR. STEINGART: Yes.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Would you please come to this podium,
and you will follow the first speaker.
MR. LIGHTON: Welcome, Ms. Hiller.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
MR. LIGHTON: My name is Paul Lighton. I'm a member of the
board of directors of the Glen Eagle Golf and Country Club. I'm one
of the soldiers, the eloquence of Mr. Martell, I can't even come close
to. On the other hand, I have attended the various meetings. I know
that one of our commissioners has attended most of them.
To say that we have been mischaracterized, I think, has probably
-- is probably refutable by her. On the other hand, we do worry about
density . Yes, we have a golf course, but that just limits the number of
houses that we could have put in there.
The fact is, we have a lot of houses in Glen Eagle, 1,234 units on
a very large place, and it is a density of only four. It -- no matter how
you look at it, you're looking at the number of people and cars that
have to go in and out of a very small area onto the County Barn Road,
where there have been fatal accidents, and we really feel that the
density issue is the most important issue, and I think most of the other
developments around there feel the same way . We're a bunch of
corporations. We're simply making our point known to you fellows.
Thank you.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: The next speaker is whom?
MR. MITCHELL: Robert Davis.
Mr. Steingart, you start.
Robert Davis?
MR. STEINGART: Yes, good afternoon. My name is Evan
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Steingart, and I'm with Napoli. I've also been responsible for bringing
all the communities together, which is Glen Eagle, Napoli,
Countryside, Falling Waters, and Seacrest schools.
And everybody is united against this project because of the
density. That is the main issue. And not to be repetitive, but the -- we
also feel that the retail space is completely unnecessary, 35,000 square
feet of retail space, when we have hundreds of thousands of square
feet of unused retail space in East Naples.
I think that what we're asking the commission to do is exactly
what Commissioner Fiala has suggested, and that's lower the density.
If we lower the density, I think that you would find the community to
be a lot more, I would say, less against this project.
You know, we also have a fear that we've -- we've not gotten
some straight answers from the developer . We've gotten some vague
answers as far as, are the units going to be rentals, are they going to be
condos? We've heard 700 square feet as the size of the units. We--
you know, we have not seen a comprehensive site plan. We really are
being asked to use our imagination a lot in this -- in this proj ect.
And I think that East Naples deserves better. If you look at the
surrounding communities, they're all low density, amenity rich, and
we want to keep the tax base strong. I own properties in Glen Eagle
and in Napoli, and my tax bill has gone way down, which, hey, that's
good for me; it's not good for us. And we want to keep the tax base
strong. We want a quality development that is low density, and we
need your help.
Thank you.
(Applause.)
MR. MITCHELL: The next speaker will be Gerald Silva, and
he'll be followed by Ms. Cummings.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Is Ms. Cummings here?
MS. CUMMINGS: Yes.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Would you come to this podium, please.
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You can begin, sir.
MR. SILVA: Yes. My name is Jerry Silva. I'm president of the
master board, Countryside Gulf and Country Club.
And over the past several years we've attended many meetings.
There was one in particular that Commissioner Fiala was at. It was
very contentious. We reached out to the developer and tried to bring
the parties together in a less explosive atmosphere. We wanted to
work with him. We continue that desire to work with him, and it's nice
to hear that there's been a certain element of compromise suggested.
What we still hear though is a lack of commitment on the part of
the developer to embrace this compromise. A density of four units per
acre, I think, would be more acceptable to the surrounding
communities; however, I haven't heard as yet a commitment from the
developer to go along with that. I think if that commitment were firm
and fast, that it would be a more acceptable solution.
Additionally, there are concerns as to whether this developer will
follow through with his development plan and whether we will
eventually see the concept that he has stated.
At a meeting that we held, there was a suggestion by him that he
may bring in another developer as a codeveloper or conceivably even
sell the project off once the zoning was changed. That's a concern. If
we're going to have a promise made, it must be a promise kept.
We would urge you to take these issues into consideration in
your deliberations. Thank you.
(Applause.)
MS. CUMMINGS: Good afternoon, my name is Maika
Cummings, and I am an owner/resident at Napoli Condominiums. My
concerns are that -- well, after listening to Mr. Goldberg (sic), I
appreciate his concept for building a traditional neighborhood.
I am familiar with the Mercato proj ect and with the Ole', and they
are very beautiful; however, I'm concerned with the timing of the
building this very big proj ect. Why now when the economy -- when
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the real estate is, you know, market's low? I mean, I can't -- I own
several units. I've been trying for the last five years to sell just one,
and I cannot do it. So I don't understand again, when the economy is
so low, why build more.
Also someone said before, we don't need any more retail space.
We have the Santa Barbara shopping centers, the big W ai-Mart
Supercenter, and if you go there, which is not even ten minutes from
Davis project, most of the days, you know, those retails stores are
either closed or you don't see hardly any business. So I don't think the
time is appropriate for this development.
Also, the congestion that it will create in the area -- County Barn
is a two-lane road, and we have fatal accidents. So what is the builder
going to do to ensure that we are not going to have terrible problems
with traffic? Because right now, we have problems.
So this is what I have to say. And I'm sorry Mr. Goldberg (sic),
but I will say, no, please, not now. Maybe five years from now.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you.
(Applause.)
MR. MITCHELL: Barbara Walters, and this is your last speaker,
.
SIr.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Barbara Walters?
MS. WALTERS: Yes.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: You look different in person.
MS. WALTERS: I'm sure you're going to tell me I look much
younger and prettier, right?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: You do, you do.
MS. WALTERS: Thank you.
Welcome. Thank you, County Commissioners. My name is
Barbara Walters. I am a director of the Glen Eagle Master Board, and
I'm also president of the Chatham Square One Condominium
Association in Glen Eagle.
I've spoken before before the planning committee. And I'm not
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very -- even though Barbara Walters is great on her feet, I'm not great.
I need some notes.
The County Planning Commission acts as the gatekeeper for all
the development projects. And as we all know, they are responsible
for making sure the site plan is properly done and all of the relevant
laws and ordinances are adhered to. Once they approve the project, it
is nonbinding.
The developer is trying to get the County Commissioners to
essentially overrule the Planning Commission. I am in agreement
with what Donna Fiala had talked about with the one unit per acre or
four per acre.
I'm going to cut it short because a lot of things were already said,
but we've met many times with Mr. Goldmeier, and he has stated that
he will probably flip this site, which doesn't make it that he wants to
be kind to the neighborhood, that he wants to work with us.
It is much too dense. There is no comparison to -- that site to
Mercato. Ole' is -- Ole' is centered in the Lely area, and we are on a
corner of County Barn Road and Davis, which is a much smaller area.
There's no comparison.
So my feeling is that I hope that you will go ahead and listen to
the Planning Commission and either work the numbers better for the
density for all of the community -- because we don't need retail at all.
We have empty spaces on Davis. We have empty spaces on
Rattlesnake. We have empty spaces at Kings Lake, and we have
tremendous empty spaces at the Wal-Mart major shopping center.
How many more offices do we need for tutors, et cetera, that Mr.
Goldmeier said are going to open up stores? They'll be empty, just as
they are on Davis.
So please think of the owners, think of your constituents when
you vote on this project. Thank you.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Mark Strain is here from the
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Planning Commission if we want to hear from him.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I don't want to hear from him. You can
if you'd like, call him.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: You want him to say something?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Mr. Strain, as Chairman of the Planning
Commission, would you come up. Commissioner Fiala has some
questions.
MR. STRAIN: Did you want me to read this whole book?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: If you wouldn't mind. But I first just
need a little break.
MR. STRAIN: I don't blame you. Mark Strain, for the record.
I'm not sure what you specifically want to address, but I did hear
some interesting things, and I have some information that may help.
Commissioner Coletta proposed a motion on this back in June
7th of2005, and he established it at 91 units at that time, and Mr.
Coyle said numerous times about the motion, it's just a stipulation that
if we should, by chance, by a very, very slim chance, if we ever
approve any density here, than it would have to come some -- at least
some, and then we went into the discussion about the percentages for
affordable housing.
So the motion that you made then was locking it in at 91. If they
were anything above that, it was under particular circumstances.
And Mr. Coyle, at the parting of that motion, after it was finished
voting on, he said, it passes unanimously -- and by the way, you were
chairman then, too, Mr. Coyle. Don't come back for any base density.
I mean any increases in density.
So I think you laid the groundwork pretty clearly that 91 is the
number. Now, they're coming in for more for a variety of reasons, and
that's something that I don't know if they have a right to expect that
based on the direction that you-all gave quite a long time ago.
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As far as the Planning Commission's issues, we had, I think, a lot
of deep concerns that the public has expressed. There wasn't the detail
that we were used to seeing in a project that had the specificity that
was in the Growth Management Plan for this project. It talked about,
in the GMP, references to the County Community Character Plan. We
saw no defense of how this ties to the community character plan.
Granted, some of the renderings that were produced for us may have
some elements in it, but it wasn't defined like it should have.
There were some issues -- and there were 22 issues, and I have to
say, Mr. Andrea -- and I talked to Mr. Pritt before the meeting -- we
met in Commissioner Fiala's office, and out of the 22 issues, they've
corrected most of them. There's about five outstanding.
But the parking and the orientation of the buildings, the density,
the breaking up of the mass of some of the -- of one of the buildings
that's left, the clarification on, if it is affordable housing, how does it
fit into the project, when does it start, when does it end? Because it's
outside the bonus -- the affordable housing agreement, so you've got
no -- you've got no strings to attach it to affordable housing. Those
are all things left undone.
But had the project been a more comprehensive presentation
addressing more detail, showing how it ties to the community
character plan, showing how the cross-sections of the potential berms
that would internalize the parking or move the buildings to the edges
of the roads, some of those things would have helped go a long way to
a better presentation at the Planning Commission, and that's why it
was suggested numerous times to consider a continuance. That was,
from what I could tell, four times offered. And it wasn't until after the
vote that the attempt was made, okay, well now let's have a
continuance. It wasn't offered that way. It was before the vote.
So I don't know what else specific you'd like from me, but that's
the generalities of where we were. And I'm speaking -- most of the
issues are as myself as chairman of the Planning Commission. I
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cannot speak for the Planning Commission, but I did check the
minutes before I came here to try to be as accurate as I could.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you, Mark.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Ifwe're going to have a debate that's
going to take more than another five minutes before we resolve this,
we're going to take a break. Is there anybody here who believes we
can resolve this in five minutes?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. We're going to take a break until
1 o'clock (sic) -- till 2:47.
(A brief recess was had.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Ladies and gentlemen, Board of County
Commission meeting is back in session.
Commissioner Hiller had a request of Mr. Strain.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Except Commissioner Hiller isn't
here.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Mark, stay for a sec. She's got to be
here.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah, she is.
MR. PRITT: Mr. Chairman, if I might, are we on the record?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: We are the record. We continue to be on
the record.
MR. PRITT: By the way, I did not order the court reporter.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. That rules you out.
MR. PRITT: Yeah. I'm under oath, I didn't --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That's good. Then when we take the
next meeting -- the next break, the imaginary court reporter doesn't get
a break, okay, so --
MR. PRITT: We've done some talking during the break. It's
always nice to have a break in these proceedings, and I wonder if Mr.
Casalanguida could address the board.
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: It depends on how he addresses us.
MR. PRITT: Your Honor, yes, sir, yes, ma'am.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: For the record, Nick Casalanguida.
Commissioner, we've spoken to the applicant, understanding that
you've offered to do a county sponsored Compo Plan amendment.
And a question came up as, well, why, you know, go through this
process and be a year later on the same conundrum of what the density
is, and asked the applicant what the key issues are in hearing what
some of the public has said today, the commercial and affordable and
workforce housing, the components that are in there.
If those were eliminated, both of those, and it came back to
almost eliminating some of the requirements in the subdistrict and
going straight to a density per acre in the neighborhood of five to six --
because you can't make that decision today; you want to hear all the
facts going forward -- that is acceptable, I believe, to the applicant,
and it would eliminate a lot of the concerns I've heard.
So if that was the case, then you're kind of -- a range that you've
discussed, talked about, we would sponsor the Compo Plan amendment
and then come back to you finally with a recommendation of
somewhere between five and six based on our discussion. If that is
still too high for the community, then I don't know if the applicant is
going to agree to it.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: How many units is that?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah. I will defer to the commissioner
who represents this district, and --
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: So go ahead.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: As long as it doesn't exceed 92
units.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Then that's above that then.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That's four units per acre.
MR. OCHS : Yes, sir.
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MR. PRITT: The reason we're -- if I may. The reason we had
come up with between five and six, if you look around here, you'll see
eights and -- eights, fours, 3.99, four, 3.55. Falling Waters is at 5.07.
So we're just trying to come within those ranges and would ask that
you approve that, and --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller, go ahead.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: If you eliminate the commercial,
how many units are you adding to this project instead of the
commercial?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: You're approximately 22 acres. So at
five you're about 110. So eliminate -- you're at 234 requested right
now, plus 35,000 square feet of commercial. So you're cutting the
density for residential by more than half at five.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Let me work from what the
developer has as a matter of right, which is 91 units.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Correct.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Which approximates about four
units per acre, plus 35,000 commercial. So if you eliminate the
35,000 commercial, how many units, residential, are you adding to the
base of91?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: At five you're adding about 20; at six
you're adding from 90 to about 136, about 40. So between 20 and 40
more above the base of 91 if you eliminate the commercial.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Twenty?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Twenty to 40.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Twenty to 40?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Right, between five and six.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: So you're basically taking it to 110
or 130?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: In that range.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: With no affordable housing?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: And no commercial.
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COMMISSIONER HILLER: And no commercial.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Okay. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Did you want to ask Mark Strain a
question, Ms. Hiller, Commissioner Hiller?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Mr. Strain -- over the break Mr.
Strain had suggested an alternative solution as well. Would you like
to -- it's somewhat similar to what you're proposing.
COMMISSIONER STRAIN: It was more in -- it addresses the
affordable housing. I suggested that you do have, I think, a basis to a
reduced -- or to eliminate the affordable housing. At the time it was
approved, it was done without the adequate studies that we now have
today. There's a statute, Florida Statute 163.3177, and it has a
requirement or a condition of the housing element. It says, the
creation or preservation of affordable housing to minimize the need
for additional local services and avoid the concentration of housing
units only in specific areas of the jurisdiction.
And it's not the way our GMP reads, and I would believe that the
statute supersedes or has a value over the GMP. The GMP is less
aggressive in its -- or in its manner. It says, we shall seek to distribute
affordable housing.
Well, when you look at the statute and it's aggressive in the way
it talks and addresses how you will disperse affordable housing, you
may not have had the ability really back in 2006 or -5, whenever this
came through. It was to call for affordable housing in the GMP at that
location to begin with because the studies may not have shown it.
And I was suggesting that maybe if you want to get out of the
affordable housing issue to help get this thing back on the road, you
could eliminate it based on the fact that it has an internal consistency
with our statutes.
But that is a legal matter that I posed at the Planning
Commission, but it -- we didn't get that far with this proj ect as far as
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an approval goes, so it never got to -- it never got legs.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Mr. Klatzkow?
MR. KLA TZKOW: I don't think there's any need to have a
requirement of affordable housing in this project, either on a state
statutory level or a county level. The only requirement was because
the Compo Plan required it, and if we eliminate that from the Compo
Plan, I think we're fine.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: So we would still have to go
through a Compo Plan amendment to eliminate that requirement?
MR. KLA TZKOW: Yeah. But the Compo Plan amendment
should be easy . We could pretty much just repeal the whole thing and
just -- just to pick a number, if you wanted to do 110 units or 120
units, whatever you wanted, just put in a very minimal Compo Plan,
and that will be it. It will be market rate.
Now, that market rate could be relatively affordable. I mean, it's
market rate. It can be high end, it could be whatever the market bears,
but it won't be a requirement to workforce housing or anything.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes, two things. The first one,
pretty darn simple. I forgot to mention, under Planning Commission
recommendations, it says Planning Commission voted against this in a
2-6 vote, but it only names five people. So I looked all through the
minutes of the Planning Commission, and Commissioner --
Commissioner Homiak, Karen Homiak was there and really made a
lot of comments during this proceeding, so we want to just make sure
that she gets on the record as being there as well. Okay. That was my
first thing.
Second thing, I'm thinking about the density. I'm listening to
what you have to say, you know, and I want to work on behalf of the
residents of Commissioner Henning's and my district. These are
important to them. And what I want to make sure is that we, you
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know, the -- the lower the density, the better housing you seem to
build, right?
And so -- but I want to work with you, too, and I -- but I want to
ask these people in the audience. I can't probably go six, but I would
go five if the audience would say that that would be acceptable to
them. I see some nods. That's five units. That would be about 110
units on this acreage and no commercial.
Okay. I've got a lot of nods. So I would make a motion then that
we would -- that we would accept this agreement that we go through a
Growth Management Plan amendment as Commissioner Coyle had
suggested and outlined for us and that we -- we change the
composition of this property to -- to just include 110 residential
dwelling units.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: And no affordable element?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No affordable housing and no
commercial.
MR. PRITT: Before you make the motion, could I just ask one
thing? I'm asking. I'm not -- well, I guess I'm negotiating, but I'm
asking. This country was built on compromise, good or bad or
anything like that.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, let's start with three units then.
MR. PRITT: No, please.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I love it.
MR. PRITT: The Falling Waters -- again, as I pointed out,
Falling Waters itself is higher, some of the others are higher. You
would be setting a maximum. Could I ask you to not have the
maximum lower than it might turn out that would work, and we'll bear
in mind that this is a maximum, if I could ask you to keep it at six, but
we understand coming out of here that that's a maximum. We may not
wind up getting that. But for compo -- for the GMP purposes, could
you at least consider doing that?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: What amenities are you proposing
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to add to this?
MR. PRITT: He's going to --
MR. GOLDMEIER: That's the right question, because it's not
always the case, when you have a lower density, you have a better
product, because you don't have as many units to spread your fixed
costs over. And if you just look at the pure economics of the situation,
if you want to have a better product and a more attractive product, you
have to be able to cover the costs somehow.
And I'm just looking for the opportunity to go between five and
six. And if we do have a -- such a great project that knocks
everybody's socks off and the density's -- but we're doing certain
things, for instance, with the amenities and with the architecture, then
maybe we could earn an additional unit per acre. But if not, it's -- you
know, it's five, what you expect. Let me knock your socks off and try
to get another unit per acre out of you.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Do you have your socks on?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I do have my socks on. It didn't
knock them off yet.
MR. GOLDMEIER: That was only an expression.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: They're red, too.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. So I appreciate that. And
actually, we're negotiating, and I'm stuck at five, I'm sorry.
MR. GOLDMEIER: Okay.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I don't know if there's a second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Was there -- was that a motion?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That was a motion.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I would hope that we would
seek some guidance from our legal counsel. They have a petition
before the Board of Commissioners for rezoning.
MR. KLATZKOW: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: And would it be proper to act
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upon that?
MR. KLATZKOW: Well, I think they're about to withdraw it,
that application, based on going back for a new Compo Plan.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. Well, they -- before we
-- we need to make sure they're withdrawing their petition and they're
okay with us doing a Compo Plan amendment for that parcel of
property .
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Good point, okay.
MR. GOLDMEIER: And we're specifically asking to remove the
affordable and the workforce housing element and the commercial
element.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That's correct.
MR. PRITT: It probably will not be--
CHAIRMAN COYLE: We're going to make a -- we're going to
make a really, really good attempt at making sure we get your name
spelled properly when we finish up these minutes.
MR. GOLDMEIER: For the phantom or for the real court
reporter?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Who knows. I can't communicate with
the phantom, but I know that Terri will get it straight.
MR. GOLDMEIER: It's G-O-L-D-M-E-I-E-R.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
MR. GOLDMEIER: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Nick, you've got something to tell us?
We need to move on here.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: I just want to be clear, Commissioner.
You've offered them to do the Compo Plan. They're going to have to
do the rezone themselves. That's -- Compo Plan is 111 general fund.
The rezone is a different fund, 131. All those different folks -- kind of
different folks working on it, some are the same. But I just want to
understand that. That's all.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Let's clarify what rezone will be
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necessary if we make the changes that we are going -- we anticipate
making.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: You'll need a traditional rezone when
you come forward to identify the development standards after the
Compo Plan is approved.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: And what is the normal expense for
doing that?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: You're going to be around the same
range as that Compo Plan between advertising and staff time.
Anywhere from 15- to 20-, 25,000. So that would be their cost to do
the rezone. I think the board's been very gracious to offer up the
Compo Plan, and I think they recognize that, too.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: To what extent can we accomplish a
rezone in this hearing today?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: You could not. You would have to
hear the Compo Plan first, and then the rezone would follow that.
Now, the only thing I could offer up is to say they pay for the
advertising and straight staff time, but I need to cover at least costs on
the rezone.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: But yet we had a rezone before us today
and not a Compo Plan amendment.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: That's true, sir, but you're going to
have to --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: So you were asking us to make a
decision on a rezone today.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: No. I think they're going to withdraw
their rezone with the understanding that you're going to do a Compo
Plan -- pay for the Compo Plan going forward. That's my
understanding, is these folks are going to --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That's not what the executive summary
says, but nevertheless, if that's where we have to go --
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Right.
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- then that's where we have to go.
Mr. Pritt, do you have any comments on that?
MR. PRITT: What Nick said is fine.
MR. GOLDMEIER: Yes, I accept.
MR. PRITT: Okay. And I want to make sure Barry's on the
record, too. I don't want him beating me up afterwards.
MR. GOLDMEIER: Yes. Nick is very gracious, and we accept
his proposal.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay, all right.
So what you're going to do is withdraw this petition, the Board of
County Commissioners are going to commit to a government-initiated
growth plan amendment to remove the affordable housing
requirement, and you are going to request a rezone which eliminates
the retail and commits to a maximum of five units per acre residential?
MR. GOLDMEIER: No, no, no, not a minimum. That's an
absolute number.
MR. PRITT: Okay.
MR. GOLDMEIER: An absolute number, not -- I don't want to
MR. CASALANGUIDA: I'm sorry. I missed the question.
MR. PRITT: No. The Comprehensive Plan amendment would
take out the traditional neighborhood development requirement and
would take out the affordable housing requirement. It would be more
in the line of a -- what you'd call a straight piece, right, and that would
be in the Compo Plan. And I believe that there was a maximum of five
units per acre or -- we'll take out the --
MR. GOLDMEIER: Minimum. No, no. It's an absolute
five-unit-an-acre number.
MR. PRITT: What's your understanding?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: My under- --let's see if I can clean
this up. My understanding, they're going to withdraw their PUD
petition today. The board has said, staff, bring forward a re- -- or a
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Compo Plan amendment that comes forward. And I understand in
talking to the applicant, that it's going to be at five units per acre in the
Compo Plan with no commercial and no affordable housing.
At that point in time, upon approval of the Compo Plan, they will
proceed forward with a PUD rezone where they'll pay absolute costs,
advertising and staff time, to set the development standards for that
rezone.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Right, exactly.
MR. PRITT: That's right. I apologize -- I apologize, client. I
didn't mean maximum.
MR. GOLDMEIER: That's okay.
MR. PRITT: Okay. Thank you. That would be it.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: So that's your motion then, Nick?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Say that again.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: There was a raise for staff in that
motion, sir, as well.
MR. KLATZKOW: Well, just -- and I'm sorry, but you'll have
the right up to five. You may decide to do four. We don't want to say
you have to do five.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Right.
MR. PRITT: That's correct. That's what I was trying to say, but
I said it wrong.
MR. GOLDMEIER: I was looking at it as a minimum of five.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No.
MR. GOLDMEIER: As absolute number of five.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Maximum of five units per acre,
right.
MR. PRITT: Sorry?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Maximum of five --
MR. KLATZKOW: You will have the right to do up to five.
MR. GOLDMEIER: I don't want to come back here --
MR. KLATZKOW: You won't.
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MR. GOLDMEIER: -- for four.
MR. KLATZKOW: You will have the right to do up to five.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yes.
MR. PRITT: You have the right to do up to five.
MR. GOLDMEIER: It's a right, it's a right.
MR. PRITT: If you choose to do four, that's up to you.
MR. GOLDMEIER: Okay, that's right. It's a right.
MR. KLA TZKOW: You'll have a right.
MR. GOLDMEIER: Thank you, Jeff.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah, yeah. You get to exercise the
right for up to five.
MR. GOLDMEIER: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. All right.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: But I don't have a second on that
motion yet.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I'll second it. Oh, Commissioner
Henning has seconded it.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Great.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Now, is there any further discussion?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Just to clarify, not to exceed five.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yes. That's what it is.
All in favor, please signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: At long last, it is unanimous. Thankeyou.
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(Applause.)
MR. PRITT: Thank you all for your patience.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Go to B?
MR.OCHS: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Go ahead.
Item #9B
IN LIGHT OF THE RECENT LETTER FROM THE STATE OF
FLORIDA DIRECTOR OF OFFICE OF TOURISM AND
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POINTING OUT JACKSON LABS
HAS FAILED TO APPLY FOR FUNDING, I WILL CALL FOR A
MOTION OF DECEMBER 14,2010 TO STOP WASTING
COUNTY STAFF'S TIME AND TAXPAYER'S MONEY ON
JACKSON LABS. THE JACKSON LABS LOCAL FUNDING HAS
DIVIDED THE COMMUNITY AND IT'S TIME TO PUT THIS
ISSUE BEHIND US AND MOVE FORWARD BY CONTINUING
DOING WHAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT DOES BEST, PROVIDE
SERVICE TO IT'S RESIDENTS - MOTION FOR STAFF TO NOT
ENGAGE IN ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR NEGOTIATIONS
WITH JACKSON LABS UNTIL AN APPLICATION IS
SUBMITTED TO THE STATE BY JACKSON LABS - FAILS
MR.OCHS: Commissioners, 9B is your three o'clock time
certain. It reads as follows: In light of the recent letter from the State
of Florida Director of Office and Tourism and Economic
Development pointing out Jackson Lab has failed to apply for funding.
I will call for a motion on December 14, 2010, to stop wasting county
staffs time and taxpayers' money on Jackson Labs. Jackson Lab's
local funding has divided the community. It's time to put this issue
behind us and move forward by continuing doing what local
government does best, provide service to its residents.
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This item was added at Commissioner Henning's request.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Thank you. I want to read an
email from September -- September 1 st from Mr. Chuck Hewitt. Fred,
I'm in the process of planning the travel schedule, and from what I can
tell, the Legislative Budget Council is almost -- likely to act on the
project on October 15th, although we should be in positive
recommendations (sic) from Enterprise Florida and OTTED well
before that. In light of the timing, I am not planning to attend the
commission meeting on September 14th. If you think there's any
reason that we should, I'll be there. Please let me know the
circumstances.
On November 15, 2010, the chairman sent Mr. Chuck Hewitt a
letter. Based upon a recent telephone conversation, it is my
understanding the negotiations between Jackson Labs -- Laboratories
and OTTED are about to begin.
And December 2nd, to a Justice Harding from OTTED, Chris
Hart, please be advised the Office of Tourism and Trade Economics
will not be in the position to provide an award to Jackson Lab before
the end of2010 calendar year.
Prior to making innovation incentive programs award, OTTED
must receive application from organization of participating program.
To date, OTTED has not received an application from Jackson
Laboratory. To our best knowledge, Jackson Laboratory is still
engaging in internal discussions regarding the funding.
Now, I -- I'm a little concerned that the commissioner trying to
bring this to the board is being told one thing but, in reality, Jackson
Labs has not been able to submit an application from OTTED, like it
says in the state language.
And I know our legislators would not want us to shorten our time
frame 180 days for the board to review before expending $130
million. The time frame of 180 days has come and gone. It has come
and gone. And the language in the bill was clear that local
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government has 180 days to respond on the match.
But it's also clear that it states if the stars don't align by March 1
that the award's not going to happen. And I don't want for us to keep
shortening the time frame for our staff to take a look at it -- of the
agreement from Jackson Lab, for the Board of Commissioners
individually, independently review the agreement and see if it's a --
wise expenditures on behalf of the citizens of Collier County. After
all, we don't have these funds. We have to raise their taxes in some
sort of fee or tax.
This issue of Jackson Lab has divided this community because
there has not been transparency on the issue, and we need to stop and
start building our community back and start looking at real
alternatives to diversify our economy.
So, therefore, I make a motion that we direct staff not to engage
in any court action or any discussions until we get an application from
Jackson Labs for a matching fund of$130 million.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I second the motion.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. We have a motion by
Commissioner Henning to instruct staff -- and I presume that also
means commissioners -- not to have any discussions with Jackson
Labs or to perform any other actions associated with the project until
we receive a contract from the Office of Tourism, Trade, and
Economic Development. Did I get that right?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Commissioner, according to
your letter, that's what you asked Mr. Hewitt for is -- because we want
to mirror what the contract with OTTED is. But there's one part that is
not true in my motion is, Commissioner, if you want to engage in
conversation with Jackson Labs, who am I to stop you from doing
that? That wasn't a part of my motion.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. We'll take that part out, okay.
Now, just to be absolutely clear, that wasn't just what I told Mr.
Hewitt. That's what we have insisted upon, that we will not enter into
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any negotiations with Jackson Labs until there is a signed contract
from OTTED and that they have answered all of our questions
concerning information, but that's beside the point.
The question -- the motion as I stated it then is correct with the
exception that it does not apply to me, and I have no problem with it
either way, quite frankly.
But it was seconded by Commissioner Hiller.
We have speakers.
MR. MITCHELL: Sir, we've ten speakers.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Can we call the speakers, please.
MR. MITCHELL: We'll be using both podiums so people will
keep moving. Noreen Murray and Duane Billington.
MS. MURRAY: Good afternoon. Noreen Murray.
Welcome, Georgia. It's nice to see you up there.
I can understand a real reluctance by the commissioners who
have invested so much time and effort into attracting a business that
would diversify our economy and give us real opportunity for change.
There are two scenarios. The state -- a successful contract is
negotiated with the state, and we go forward looking at the Collier
County piece, or it's not. Let me address both.
There is work that could be done right now regarding research
and fact finding in the absence of the contract. And the primary issue
is, you may be doing this or thinking of this, but you're not telling us,
and that's a real problem.
I know Jackson Labs hasn't told you everything you wanted to
know. But if you know things that we don't know, it would be better
for the community to get everything on the table.
I think you should task the Productivity Committee with, right
now, examining NIH funding. Jackson's original business plan and
any subsequent business plan they come up with is going to include a
very substantial dependency on NIH funding.
We can't predict the future, but we can look at how much funding
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has been allocated, how it's been allocated, where around the country
it has been allocated. They've already designated 55 centers of
translational medicine. The personalized medicine field is a subset of
translational medicine. What are the odds that a great deal more
money to new places that are not centers is going to be allocated?
Because that's critically important.
The other thing that Commissioner Coyle alluded to this morning
in the status report is, one of the things we don't know is the
possibility of hundreds of millions of dollars resulting from
commercial products that might come out of the research.
Well, the reality is that basic science, which is what Jackson's
proposal is for, seldom leads to hundreds of millions of dollars,
because if there was even a decent probability that that were the case,
for-profit investors would be lining up to give Jackson Labs money.
So depending on that is foolish. We're looking at NIH funding
and donor funding if we go forward, and what is the probability that
those things are going to happen?
If we don't go forward with Jackson Labs, I would encourage you
not to give up the search for economic development. The EDC has
been underfunded since its inception. If the EDC could go to the
marketplace and say, we have a hundred million dollars to spread
around, bring us proposals. You five people would have, I think, a
significant number of possibilities that would help us diversify our
economy, but I've been hearing too much that the Jackson Labs is our
last/best/only opportunity. And please don't view it that way whether
the state doesn't go forward or your own economic analysis decides
it's not the right way to go.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Thank you, Ms. Murray.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Just a comment on two points, Ms.
Murray. There is absolutely nothing that I know that hasn't been
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publicly reported.
MS. MURRAY: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Secondly, we have not given up on any
others. We are constantly having discussions with other companies
not connected with Jackson Labs that could bring jobs to Collier
County, and we hope that soon we will be announcing the names of
some of those.
So we're not giving up. We haven't latched on to one. We're
looking at many. But there just isn't anything to report to you.
Okay, thank you.
MR. MITCHELL: Duane Billington, followed by John
Chandler.
MR. BILLINGTON: For the record, my name is Duane
Billington. This Jackson Labs thing's been going on for quite some
time. I've been to all the productivity meetings, all the meetings here
down at the County Commission, and really this thing has been pretty
thoroughly vetted by the Productivity Committee. They said, using
Westinghouse economic report, this won't work. The report says it
won't work. We're not going to get a positive return on our money.
As a taxpayer, if we're going to be investing $130 million, we ought to
get a positive return.
Something else that the WEG report didn't consider, they used
everything in the terms of gross product, gross productivity. They
didn't consider that in order to come up with that 130 million, we're
going to have to take that out of our economy to give it to Jackson.
That 130 million's being used when people go shopping; it's being
used when people are donating to their charities. This is all
discretionary funds, and all those activities that involve discretionary
funds that support businesses and support charities in the county are
going to be impacted by that loss of 130 million.
Now, that 130 million's going to be over a period of time, but
Jackson needs 50 million up front. So we have to wonder, well,
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what's the impact of that going to be, if it's 50 million up front and
then the other's on a gradual basis?
Well, I had Vladimir Ryziew, one of the members of Productivity
Committee, do a productivity workup on this, and for the total 130
million, a one-year impact -- because monies get repeated in our
economy -- would have an impact ranging between 194 million and
$130 million. On 50 million, it would be between 75 and 82 million.
That's going out.
Now, this wasn't considered in the WEG report. All they use is
gross productivity. But we're starting out with this as a negative.
This has been vetted. There's questions, if this goes forward,
well, what kind of conditions are we going to put on it? Who's going
to be making a determination of what those conditions are? Should
there be citizens involved in that or should this just be staff? Where
did the basis for all this come from? And I'll continue in a minute.
Mr. Vonier, who has signed up to speak, has been kind enough to
give me his three minutes. Bill V onier.
MR. MITCHELL: Who? Okay.
MR. BILLINGTON: Okay. I'll go forth with this.
There was other information that was in the WEG report that,
when they were questioned where did they come from, well, the basis
came from the EDC. The EDC hasn't been able to show where the --
where they got those figures. They're projecting 750,000 square feet
for a teaching hospital, a total of 7 - -- 2.8 million square feet of
building space in total for everything out there.
Janet Vasey from the Productivity Committee did an analysis.
That'd be 33 buildings the size of the building that we're in right now,
the eight-story building, or a building of the same footprint four stories
tall would be 66 buildings.
And the original was based on 700 available acres. Well, we're
down from 700 to 50 original, plus another 200, so that's 250. I mean,
we have nothing solid to go on, but yet we're spending staff time, staff
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money, and it's all money going out the door if this doesn't -- if it
doesn't happen now, this is all wasted money.
And if you look at what -- what's been happening in Lee County
with what their economic development effort has been, maybe we
ought to just fire the EDC and rent time from the staff that the people
that Lee County has been putting -- has put together, because they are
just blowing our socks off, pardon the expression.
It's insane to continue going forward with this where all we're
doing is we're hurting ourselves.
Thank you.
(Applause.)
MR. MITCHELL: John Chandler will be followed by Harold
Hall. Mr. Hall?
MR. CHANDLER: Good afternoon, folks. My name is John
Chandler. I'm a retired corporate executive.
During the course of my 40 years in business, I literally reviewed
thousands of capital investment proposals. My memory's probably not
as good as it used to be, but I would have to say that the current
Jackson Lab proposal is the worst I've ever seen.
The Washington Economics Group report, which is based on
very optimistic assumptions, shows that 23 years after the project is
initiated, the taxpayers will have only received $74 million back on
their original investment of 130 million. This excludes interest
payments on any bonds that the county might issue.
If you count the $80 million of interest that would be on $130
million of bonds over 30 years, the payback period on this project is
45 years; not an investment I think any of us would make.
Worst yet, the Washington Economics Group report has a glaring
omission and a major erroneous assumption. The glaring omission is,
as Mr. Billington indicated, it counts only the positive impact of
pumping $130 million into Ave Maria area. It does not count the
$130 million coming out of the pockets of all of the taxpayers in the
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county .
The erroneous assumption is that this one investment will attract
a great number of related businesses and that none of those businesses
will receive any taxpayer subsidy. Experience in other Florida
counties has been that no follow-on biomedical company has been
brought in without a massive subsidy.
We start with 130 million to Jackson Lab. There's going to be --
the next one will be 100 million, maybe the next we'll get it down to
90. We're going down a very bad path here. If you need more proof
that the proposed deal is an extremely poor one, consider this. Over
the last three years, the economic development activity in Lee County
has consisted of providing subsidies to nine different companies with
an average cost per new hire of $11,000. The county is currently
planning to pay Jackson Lab $533,000 per new hire.
Let me give you some advice. Take the current proposal off the
table. It's far too one-sided. Insist on being included in all
negotiations. This is a three-way deal. It's foolish not to be part of the
negotiations.
Three, tell Jackson Lab that they must hold their philanthropic
campaign first before we provide funding, not vice versa.
Four, inform the Collier Company that their contribution of land
needs to be supplemented by a major infusion of cash.
Lastly, you always need to give the EDC some strict guidelines
so that we never again find ourselves this far down the road on such an
unacceptable proposal.
Thank you.
(Applause.)
MR. MITCHELL: Mr. Hall will be followed by Farrell
Kupersmith.
MR. HALL: Harold Hall, East Naples. I just want to talk about
the 130 million plus interest. And my bottom line is, Collier County
cannot afford that now.
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You have overspent impact fees by many millions of dollars that
-- I don't know about the current figures -- but very likely interfund
transfers that needs to be repaid is probably well over 50 million. I
don't know where it might be now. These numbers have to be met
somehow.
Also, you are well aware that next year we're going to suffer
decreased appraised values for tax purposes again. Where are you
going to get this money?
I'm telling you that I'm -- no doubt the Jackson Lab proposal
offers a lot of potential long term. I mean, long, long term, you know,
ten, 15, 20, 30 years. Collier County needs some relief economically
right now, not ten years from now; in the next year or two. In my
opinion, that's what you folks should be really zeroing in on.
Maybe 130 million, plus tax, plus interest, might be a doable
amount in two years, five years. I don't know. I do not think it's a
doable amount right now.
I admire you folks for looking long term. That's good. County
Commissions should do this, and you do that. But County
Commissions also need to look short term, and I'm not sure that you're
doing it. I don't mean to sound too critical. But, you know, I'm
looking at a time when -- with a budget coming up and the next
budget, you folks are going to be over a barrel.
Productivity Committee's going to be screaming with you trying
to tell them to find ways to cut the budget. I don't think you should go
further with Jackson Lab at this point.
Thank you.
(Applause. )
MR. MITCHELL: Mr. Kupersmith will be followed would
Rainey Norins.
MR. KUPERSMITH: Farrell Kupersmith. I'm a citizen of
Collier County. By way of background, I retired as a senior partner
from a firm that provides professional services around the world. We
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have over 100,000 employees. I spent a career evaluating capital
budgets and business plans, and I came to make some points. I'm
going to try and emphasize the points that already (sic) haven't been
made.
I came to be critical of transparency, but I accept Commissioner
Coyle's remark that everything that has -- he knows has been
disclosed. In a way that only accentuates my discomfort with this
proposed project.
The cost is severely understated. We ought to quit calling it $130
million, because there's nobody who's going to buy bonds with a zero
percent interest rate. The cost over the life of this project, with all due
respect to the previous speaker, cannot be financed with a total all-in
cost over 30 years, at far in excess of $200 million, far in excess, and
that's just the Collier County portion. I also think, although it's not
this body's responsibility, that all of us as citizens of Florida ought to
be thinking about that number as a double, because it's -- we're only
putting up half of what the total proposed investment would be.
Against the 400-plus million dollars -- because nobody, again, is
buying bonds from Collier County or the State of Florida with -- that
doesn't carry an interest coupon. One has to weigh that has been
publicly disclosed as the committed rate of return. And when I say
committed, I put that in quotes because I'm not aware of any
contractual commitments.
These commitments really more relate to expectations from
Jackson of several hundred jobs. Several hundred jobs, as a minimum
expectation, spread across $400 million is one pretty poor deal.
I definitely support the commission's efforts and objective of
diversifying the economic base, but $400 million against a couple
hundred jobs is a pretty poor return. Anything that happens above and
beyond that, frankly, is speculation on the part of the commission.
The partners who've been named so far -- and I don't want to
demean any of them, but I'm going to speak factually. Athletic Code
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is a start-up company. Edison Community College says they're going
to put a charter high school out there. Florida Gulf Coast University is
a welcome addition to the community. They fill an important need,
but I don't think they'd make anybody's list of research facilities that
anybody would think of or turn to as part of a $400 million
investment.
The only facility that does do research is the University of South
Florida, which is more than 100 miles away.
The notion that they are going to be a medical school here as part
of this feasibility evaluation is at this point rank speculation.
I guess my point, bottom line is, is that the primary beneficiaries
of this in terms of the couple hundred jobs that have been expected out
of Jackson really is Barron Collier and Ave Maria, because if the
project goes, the land that Barron Collier has in the area is going to be
worth a whole lot more, and Ave Maria, even during the peak, before
the real estate bust occurred in '05 and '06, found selling real estate a
tough sell.
If this project goes based on Collier's commitment of several
hundred million dollars, which is the real number, not the 130, they're
going to be the beneficiaries.
The -- I urge the commission not to have so much ego invested in
how far down the path you've gone as to not be willing to step back
and recognize that right now we have a deal that benefits one side and
very little upside for Collier County with an awful lot of downside.
Thank you.
(Applause.)
MR. MITCHELL: Rainey Norins will be followed by Bill
O'Neill.
MS. NORINS: Rainey Norins. Good afternoon, Commissioners
and Chairman Coyle.
I'm here today to represent myself but also my vast number of
business friends and associates that I have worked with over the past
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25 years that I've lived in Naples.
And I also want to start off by saying that I greatly respect the
courage and the fortitude that the three sitting commissioners have had
over -- the four sitting commissioners have had over the past couple of
years as this has been considered and carefully thought about.
I know that there have been some vicious attacks on you in
person, here in this room, by emails, by telephone calls, somebody
you meet on the street, and I just want to say how proud I am of you
for sticking up for what you feel is right and for what you feel is a
good proj ect for our community.
There are thousands of people in organizations that are in
leadership positions here who want this project to go forward. There's
still hope. There's still time.
And the one thing that I would like to leave you with today is
that, you know, we're about this close from having things out in the
open or ready for a decision so, please, let's not stop one inch from the
door. Let's open the door and let's see what's behind it.
And not only see what's behind it, but when you're making your
final decision, remember how many people you have heard from in
your own emails and calls who have been rooting for you behind the
scenes, out here in public, telling you that we respect you and we want
you to do the right thing for us.
Thank you.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: May I just ask one question?
Mrs. Norins, aren't you a fundraiser for Jackson Labs?
MS. NORlNS: Yes, I am.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: What is your title?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Ladies and gentlemen, please.
MS. NORlNS: Four years ago I was named on the national
council that was founded here to raise funds for the Jackson
Laboratory in Bar Harbor, Maine, and this was to raise funds for
diseases like cancer, Alzheimer's, and I'm very proud of the record
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that the national council has had here, because had we not started our
outreach about who the Jackson Lab -- what facility this is, what
research company this is, what research lab it is, the EDC would not
have discovered it. They discovered it at one of our luncheons.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: So you're actively involved in
fundraising at the current time to satisfy Jackson Labs' or the state's
requirement that there be $180 million charitable --
MS. NORINS: No, no.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: -- giving match from the local
community?
MS. NORINS: I support that as a citizen, but my role with the
Jackson Laboratory on the national council is raising funds to find
cures for diseases at the lab in Bar Harbor, Maine.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Is anyone directing the initiative to
raise $180 million in local charitable giving as required by the state at
this time?
MS. NORINS: I don't know because I'm not on that side of the
equation.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
MS. NORINS: You're welcome.
MR. MITCHELL: Bill O'Neill will be followed by Tammie
Nemecek.
MR. O'NEILL: Good afternoon. I'm Bill O'Neill from the law
firm of Roetzel and Andress and the immediate past chairman of the
Economic Development Council.
I'd like to add my thanks for all the people here and in the
community who've stood by and supported this effort for Jackson Lab,
and most of whom, the vast majority of whom, see no possibility for
any mid-term or short-term or long-term personal gain on this.
I'm a volunteer. I've been a volunteer. We've done this because
of what -- we see the need for economic development in the future in
this county, and we think that this is the right thing to do for the
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county .
We do -- I think we bring a sense of history to this. Certainly we
are looking at other opportunities here. But this was not an easy thing
to find. We don't have opportunities like this banging down our doors.
This was -- this was something that we had to find ourselves. This is
what -- this is the kind of thing that we were charged to do, and this
was -- this is what our job was, to bring these kinds of opportunities
and present them.
As to the motion that's here today, it wasn't quite what I
expected, because I thought that the vote was up or down on JAX lab
now. I suspect that the effect of approval of the motion today would
be just that, because I don't know how -- I don't know how the process
can continue if we simply put our pencils down and don't do any
further work on it, and so that's what I'm going to address.
I think that the -- there certainly is going to be an appropriate
time for an up or down vote on this. This is, unfortunately, because of
the procedure, a time-consuming process. That's perhaps unfortunate,
perhaps fortunate, because of the checks and balances that get
introduced in that process.
Until we have the chance to address the detailed real deal, we
don't know what there is to vote on. Until the dollars involved and the
funding method is set, we don't know what the impact is on each
individual.
The EDC has played by the rules. Jackson Lab has played by the
rules. I'd ask that the commission and the county continue to play by
the rules, follow this through.
Thank you.
(Applause. )
MS. NEMECEK: Good afternoon, Commissioners. Tammie
Nemecek, president and CEO of the Economic Development Council
of Collier County.
Welcome.
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COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
MS. NEMECEK: I have a high deal of respect for everybody in
this room and everybody that has an opinion related to how we move
forward as a community.
We spent an enormous amount of time through an initiative
called Project Innovation which reached out to the community to ask,
what do you want? The answer was, we want to think differently; we
want to act differently. We want to declare that this community is
better than we have today.
We have, you know, sitting back there with Jack Wert, we have a
great tourism industry; we have a great construction industry, a great
agricultural industry that we've relied heavily on to secure jobs for our
children.
And the EDC has worked with the Board of County
Commissioners for a very long time in order to help decide what we
want to be when we grow up as a community.
In 2008, during our workshop with the Board of County
Commissioners, we were directed and worked with you in order to
say, we want to identify a catalyst company or research institute,
something that can help bring economic stability to Collier County.
The idea behind bioscience, biomedical, health and life sciences
has been the forefront ofEDC's targeted industry cluster initiative for
more than 12, almost 13 years.
The industry itself, from an existing business base, has grown.
We have a high concentration of health and life science companies
already here in Collier County and in Southwest Florida. The ability
for us to grow from that base is critical. We cannot grow from
something from scratch, but we can grow from what we already have
here. The data shows that.
Over the last three years, Southwest Florida has performed worst
than any other region in the State of Florida. We are dead last in the
state in economic performance based largely on the job loss that we've
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seen in all of these industries that we've relied on over a great deal of
time.
So the decision today is, do we continue in the process? In I
would say that this community cannot give up. This community needs
to identify the opportunities, vet them thoroughly, and that is what the
commission is doing today, and I thank you for doing that.
If we say no, it doesn't mean that we're saying no long term, but
it means that we're saying this may not be right. I don't think we're
even at that point in the discussions at this time.
The Jackson Laboratory has applied to the State of Florida for
funding. The legislature has said this is important. We want this to
happen. We want this particularly to happen in Southwest Florida
because you are the hardest-hit area. We have follow-on funding
that's going to have to occur at the state level, and we're not quite sure
exactly how that's going to factor out. There are a lot of decisions that
still have to be made, and the community has come out to say no
before any of those discussions have heard (sic).
I implore you to consider continuing the discussions; let the
application go through Enterprise Florida. There is a new structure
that's going to be created at the state level. We don't even know what
that's going to look like.
Governor-elect Scott is going to be the lead economic developer
for the State of Florida. What does that mean? And how is this
project going to fit in the state strategy for economic development?
Let's give our community a chance to figure that out. And what it
looks like at the end of the day will be the decision that you will have
to make, and that will be something that I don't know, and I cannot
articulate exactly what that will look like right now, but let's at least
stay in the discussion.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Tammie, can I ask you just a
couple of questions based on what you said?
MS. NEMECEK: Yes, ma'am.
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COMMISSIONER HILLER: You were talking about recession
proofing and, you know, investment in biomedical; is that the proper
term ?
MS. NEMECEK: Health and life sciences --
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Health and life.
MS. NEMECEK: -- has been the target industry cluster for about
12 years.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: How has -- how has health and life
sciences recession proofed Orlando, Kissimmee, and how has it
recession proofed Palm Beach County?
Right now OrlandolKissimmee is rated tenth in the nation for
foreclosures. I know that Palm Beach County is, you know, having
major financial difficulties. I'm not really sure I see how this
investment in this particular industry is going to recession proof us.
Can you explain that?
MS. NEMECEK: If you look at the scorecard that we've created
-- it's created through our foundation. We created one in 2008, 2009,
and 2010. It's the Florida economic scorecard. And what we did with
that scorecard -- typically we would look at areas outside the State of
Florida. We'd say, you know, how does our region compare with XX
region or X region?
Our -- our desire with that Florida economic scorecard is, you
know, we're all living under the same rules in the State of Florida. We
have to all live under DCA, and we all have to live under South
Florida Water Management District. How do we at least compare
with our sister regions around the state?
And even in the State of Florida, as hard hit as maybe some of
those other areas have been, Southwest Florida has performed
consistently over the last three years -- and Collier County is not the
best performing county in the region -- it has performed worst than
any of those other regions. And there's a reason for that. There's a
reason, because they've been able to attract certain areas of industry
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clusters. They've been able to develop those over time. Those aren't
things that started yesterday. These are things that have been growing
in their community for the last 20 years.
And this is where Collier County and Southwest Florida is at this
point. We're not there. We are -- but baby steps in this process of
developing our economy and deciding where we want to go. Even at
the point in time when Collier County said, we want to attract a
catalyst institute to our community, you know, it takes time in order to
decide, what does that look like? How would we ever go after it?
Who would we talk to? All of these things have to take time, and I
think that's the hard part is -- that we're dealing with right now -- is
that you have a lot of uncertainty in the economic base of Collier
County. And when you're dealing with all of that uncertainty, it
makes it really hard to think longterm.
I appreciate the discussion of, what are we doing today in order
to create jobs. The realization that unless you're going to take, you
know, and purchase infrastructure, as we've done, as you've seen on a
national standpoint, and put people to work short term in a
construction industry, you've got to wait until business develops in
order to create those jobs.
So creating jobs today, I think, has been a part of what we've
worked for in economic gardening, is working with our existing
business base and those small entrepreneurs to say, hey, what can you
do today in order to create jobs, and that can be three or four or five
jobs today or tomorrow.
You approve -- County Commission -- you weren't on the dais at
that point in time, but Haynes Corporation, for example, which is
moving business from California to Collier County and creating
another 20 to 45 extra jobs in Collier County that otherwise wouldn't
be here.
Those things are occurring right now . You don't hear about
them, but they are occurring right now.
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But I would tell you that Southwest Florida, by far, does not have
the significant infrastructure at this point in time in order to grow.
That is what you're creating with these opportunities. What kind of
research and development can we create? How can we bolster Florida
Gulf Coast University? How can we take Edison State College and
make that better? How can we improve the education system in order
to grow children that can go into these jobs?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: You're talking all about nonprofits.
MS. NEMECEK: How can we--
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Well, nonprofits--
MS. NEMECEK: I'm talking about education.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: But nonprofits, which are a cost to
the taxpayer. They're not--
MS. NEMECEK: I'm talking about education systems.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: No, I understand, but I'm just
mentioning --
MS. NEMECEK: Right.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: -- that's -- I mean, you're talking
about developing nonprofits.
MS. NEMECEK: But--
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I'm more interested in developing
for-profits.
MS. NEMECEK: Yeah, but who's going to work there if you
don't educate your children?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: There's no question, we need a
technical workforce.
MS. NEMECEK: Yeah, you've got to go back to the -- to how
are we going to -- how are we going to elevate the education system,
how are we going to inspire for-profit and not-for-profit activity in the
community, and how are we going to build this tax base beyond just a
residential tax base, which has proven itself not to be able to sustain
the quality of life that we want to have here. That's why we have the
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issues with impact fees.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Interestingly, if you look at the
clustering in Southwest Florida, it parallels the clustering in the entire
state. And I would submit, your arguments are not exactly what has
happened. In fact, what happened is, we had a hyperinflationary
market locally, which is why, when it fell, the drop was larger, but
overall I would say that the -- how should I describe it? The overall
wealth of this community at the outset was much higher than
anywhere else in the state. I mean, we were one of the wealthiest,
most successful communities.
So are you now saying that these industries that have clustered
here paralleling the state clusters are no longer something we should
consider as a base for this community and --
MS. NEMECEK: No.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: -- that somehow we shouldn't help
them or support them during these times and look outwards while
these people are suffering in these hard economic times?
MS. NEMECEK: What I'm really proud of, from the EDC's
standpoint, is that we're able to partner with significant organizations
in Collier County that are the crux of the economic base. EDC,
Collier Building Industry Association, the Naples Area Board of
Realtors, tourism, Jack Wert's office. We have a joint website that
we're working on right now that supports both economic development
and tourism. Tourism is economic development.
I think that this -- that this community --
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Without a doubt.
MS. NEMECEK: -- has done an enormous amount of work in
order to build a great community. The question is, is what's next?
How do we continue to support those three legs of our economic stool
while building a fourth, a fifth, a sixth? What do you want? It's not
yeah, but we can't get it done, it's yes and let's get it done. Let's get it
done for the future generations.
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COMMISSIONER HILLER: Let me ask one last question, since
I have you at the podium. A lot of the --
MS. NEMECEK: I could stand here all day.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: It would be my pleasure. A lot of
the other counties seem to be very successful at attracting businesses.
I'm not sure that we're doing the same while this Jackson Labs debate
is going on. It seems like we're missing an inordinate number of
opportunities that could be creating jobs today.
Lee County has been very successful, and I question why we're
not achieving the same success. Broward County, I believe it was in
December, issued industrial revenue bonds to the tune of 60 or $70
million to ten companies, meaning no burden to the taxpayers. The
dollars would all be repaid by those companies, and I believe a
thousand jobs were created as a result.
Can you tell me what you're looking at as alternatives and why
we haven't been achieving the same success?
MS. NEMECEK: I don't know if you've seen any of our reports
or at least our last quarterly reports. You would not believe the
amount of excellent entrepreneurial activity that's occurring in Collier
County . We have about 120 companies right now that are existing
businesses. They're not -- they're not large. Collier County's not built
of large businesses. There's a lot larger businesses in Lee County. So
when you talk about 20 percent growth for somebody who has 30 jobs
in their existing business, you're talking about six jobs adding it on to
their -- may not seem like a lot to a lot of people, but for that
entrepreneur that has to add those six jobs, that's huge. It's a huge
investment.
And so if you look at some of our reports, specifically around
economic gardening, and talk to some of the folks that are
participating in economic gardening, it's an entrepreneurial approach
to creating jobs, and it focuses not necessarily on just the bricks and
mortar, because I think that turns -- it turns it into a fallacy if you just
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look at the bricks and mortar. If you just look at the land and the land
values and the bricks and mortar, you're forgetting about all that
innovation that occurs inside that building and the entrepreneur that
has to create that great knowledge in order to transfer it to wealth, in
order to hire people and ultimately create jobs in the community.
So you've got a number of businesses in the community that are
all working together in this entrepreneurial ecosystem in order to
create these jobs.
I mean, I'll give you an example of the -- just the pathway that we
have to lead. I was at a meeting of 25 EDOs, head EDOs from 25
different states around the country, and talking with several them, the
majority of them are saying, you know, hey, halfmy board lives in
Naples. Absolutely right. Where they're investing their time, effort,
energy, and money is in their hometowns back north. Gentlemen's $75
million venture capital fund, Tim Cartright has worked his -- has
worked very hard to -- in order to raise a million and a half in venture
capital so that we can seed industry here in Collier County. And half
the -- half the people that are part of that $75 million fund up north in
Wisconsin have homes in Collier County.
I think by looking at these big pictures, doing game-changing
type of opportunities, you get people to believe in your community,
that the community wants these things to occur, and then you get them
to invest more readily here locally where their part-time home is or
where their six-month-and-a-day home is versus maybe back up north
where they might have lived for a number of years or might have gone
to college or gone to university. We have a lot of work to do. It's not
an overnight success.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: How about a level playing field?
MS. NEMECEK: Level playing fields are always great, and
competitive --
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Well, Jackson is making it a very
unlevel playing field.
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MS. NEMECEK: How is that?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Well, I think giving 130 million
plus the millions that have been described additionally -- I mean,
when I ran the numbers it came to about 500 million that ultimately
would be the end cost to the public for this project.
I think it's a prime example of, I guess you could call it, crony
capitalism, maybe corporate welfare. These little 120 companies that
you're talking about, what are they getting? Are they getting
anything?
MS. NEMECEK: Oh, they get resources from the State of
Florida through the economic gardening program --
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Are they getting 500 million? Are
they getting -- I mean, where's the fairness in this? And how much
money will be left over to recruit these companies that you hope
someday maybe will come here?
MS. NEMECEK: What you're investing in are catalysts in order
to expand the cluster that already exists here. That's what you're
trying to do with these types of investments, and they do prove
themselves to have a return on investment. There's data that can help
support that.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I don't see -- I don't see that
investment being made.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Ms. Hiller, can we get back on point,
please?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Absolutely.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: We've got a motion before us. This is not
the time to develop an economic diversification plan between you and
Ms. Nemecek, but it would be helpful if you would identify for Ms.
Nemecek those many, many business opportunities that you say that
she has missed. So if you can please tell her --
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Absolutely.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: No, not now. Please tell her in writing.
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COMMISSIONER HILLER: All the ones the other counties got
that we didn't get. Very simply.
MS. NEMECEK: Well -- and our position at this point in time --
and it proves itself every time I come and ask you for -- would you be
willing to support this company because they don't necessarily fit into
the model or the incentive program that you've set forth is that every
opportunity that's interested in Collier County that needs your support,
your assistance, is being brought before you. So--
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I'll read the heading. Collier
business looks at Lee.
MS. NEMECEK: Right. That's Arthrex, which we're currently
working with. We've got conversations going on with them, and have.
You've done -- Collier County has done seven expansion projects
with them. They're a great company, and we can't wait to help them
.
agaIn.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you very much.
MS. NEMECEK: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Appreciate it, Tammie.
Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Is there any other public
speaker?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Don't we have one more public
speaker?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Is there another one?
MR. MITCHELL: No, that was the last public speaker.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I thought that Mr. Hewitt (sic)
would be here today.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Why would Mr. Hewitt be here today?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Because he's speaking at Ave
Maria tonight, and I got an invitation on that. MS. de STUART: Mr. Hyde.
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COMMISSIONER HENNING: Mr. Hyde, from Jackson Labs.
MS. de STUART: He is going to be there tonight.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah. The other thing, are you
aware that President Obama signed into law a bill that failed to extend
the Medicaid assistance program at a rate of 6.2 percent, which the
legislators was counting on that added Medicaid monies to fund this
project?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: What's the point?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: The point is very clear,
Commissioner Coyle.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, explain it to me.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: You've been following this.
The point is, the legislation -- the legislators put into law an added
Medicaid funding into the bill to support the biomedical. The
president didn't put it in. It had to come from the Feds, and it's not in
there for the 2010/2011 funding.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, that's fundamentally untrue. But
the point is, what you -- the point you're really trying to make is that
the Medicare allocation to the State of Florida from the federal
government for this past budget year was less than what the state
legislature was anticipating. That is an issue that goes beyond our
control. If the state, in fact, believes they have violated the law and it
is proven they have violated the law, then I would assume that their
allocations to Jackson Labs would be found inappropriate, and the
Jackson Lab project would not go forward.
It is not my job to tell the state legislature and the governor that
they have violated law in constructing their budget. If, in fact, they
have, and there's a lawsuit filed by Arthrex that alleges that, then the
courts will make that determination.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I don't know where you got, out
of violation, breaking the laws, of my comment that the president
didn't sign a bill that didn't include the extra Medicaid money to
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support biomedical science in the State of Florida. I'm not saying
anybody broke the law. I'm saying the funds was not signed into law
by the president.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: The lawsuit filed by Arthrex against the
State of Florida alleges that they inappropriately approved money
because the full percentage that was allocated, that they expected to be
allocated, was not allocated to Florida.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: They dropped that lawsuit.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: They haven't dropped the lawsuit,
because just yesterday we received a letter from their attorney
concerning it. So let's deal in facts.
Your motion has to do with stopping the process of evaluating
with -- evaluating the Jackson Labs project. Let's deal with that.
We've got a motion on the floor. So let's deal with that issue and deal
with the issues that this board has jurisdiction over. We can't control
what the federal government and the state do.
If it turns out to be improper or insufficient, that takes care of
itself. So why do we want to debate those kinds of issues? Let's deal
with your motion.
Do you have anything more to say about your motion?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah, I want to clarify my
motion --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Go ahead, please.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: -- so it's not mischaracterized by
anybody.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Go ahead.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: The clarification, and it's very
clear, is to -- until we get an application for funding from Jackson
Labs, staff is not to spend any time on it, whether it be in the courts or
during the course of the business day. Okay?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. That's your motion. And,
Commissioner Hiller, you were the second.
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COMMISSIONER HILLER: Yes.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: You accept that clarification?
Okay. Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. So if I understand
Commissioner Henning's motion correct, that means that I would be
limited to my ability of discovery as far as talking to Jackson Labs?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: That's what he said.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: I will not agree to that motion.
If that motion passed, I refuse to abide by it. No one's going to take
away my right of discovery.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, it technically would not, but the
point is, it also -- it means that the County Attorney cannot explore the
legality even of a bond issue. It means that the staff cannot receive
and analyze any additional information associated with Jackson Labs.
If Governor Scott says, when he is inaugurated, that he thinks it
is a good proj ect and would like to proceed, the staff cannot do that.
If the legislature carries over the money into this session and
says, okay, we're going to now allocate not just 50, but $100 million,
you will not have the opportunity to proceed with it.
It is a foolish concept, and I'd like to make a very brief statement
about the positions that some of you have taken. Your criticisms have
generally derived from the fact that you have assumed certain things
to be true based upon your past experiences or based on what you've
heard about this project.
The really disturbing point is that many of you expressed those
concerns six months ago when you first heard of the project. You
didn't like it then, and no amount of information is going to change
your mind. Absolutely nothing is going to change your mind.
I have a different perspective. There is absolutely nothing about
this project so far that convinces me that it can succeed, but I'm not
going to close my mind to additional information in the event
something does happen that permits us to achieve a favorable result.
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I'll tell you right now, there are major, and I'm talking about
major, omissions from some of the analyses that you have provided to
us, and it's not because you're not aware of it. It's just because you
don't wish to consider it, and there's nothing we can tell you that
would convince you otherwise.
But my position is that the state legislature said they will provide
funding -- when there's a contract between OTTED and the state, the
county will have the opportunity to do their due diligence, get their
questions answered, and negotiate a contract if it turns out to be a
good deal.
We haven't even gotten to that point yet. And I can tell you right
now, none of my questions have been answered concerning this
project. Despite repeated requests, none of my questions have been
answered. But does that mean I'm just going to close the door and not
listen from now on? Some of you will do that. In fact, some of you
did that six months ago, but I personally am not going to do that.
I'm going to carry out the responsibility that the state legislature
placed on the Board of County Commissioners. And as long as the
governor and the state legislature wants to help diversify the economy
in Florida, particularly within Collier County, I'm going to try to do
what I can to get that accomplished. But I will not make a decision
without gathering all of the information.
And if at the end of the time we're unable to gather all of the
information, then my recommendation would be that we not proceed.
So I don't understand the rush, the anger, because we have not
committed the county to anything. Tax holders have not been
committed to a penny any time during this process, nor do we intend
to do that.
So we are being very careful about this. But until the governor or
the state legislature says that they're not going to proceed with this,
then I'm going to keep trying to gather the information and perform
the responsibility we've been given.
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So with that, I'm going to call the question. All in favor of the
motion, please signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All opposed, by like sign?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: The motion fails 3-2 with
Commissioners Coyle, Coletta, and Fiala voting against the motion.
Thank you very much.
We're going to take a break now, for -- not for the phantom court
reporter.
(A brief recess was had.)
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, you have a live mike.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Thank you very much, County
Manager. Where do we go from here?
MR.OCHS: Sir, with you and the board's indulgence, we would
like to jump a little bit around in Item 8, your advertised public
hearings, to take care of Items 8D and E, your impact fee updates.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
Item #8D
ORDINANCE 2010-46: RECOMMENDATION TO ADOPT
ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 74 OF THE COLLIER
COUNTY CODE OF LAWS AND ORDINANCES (THE COLLIER
COUNTY CONSOLIDATED IMP ACT FEE ORDINANCE)
PROVIDING FOR THE INCORPORATED BY REFERENCE OF
THE IMPACT FEE STUDIES ENTITLED THE COLLIER
COUNTY GENERAL GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS IMPACT FEE
UPDATE STUDY AND THE COLLIER COUNTY LIBRARY
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FACILITIES AND ITEM/EQUIPMENT IMP ACT FEE UPDATE;
AMENDING THE LIBRARY IMPACT FEE RATE SCHEDULE,
WHICH IS SCHEDULE EIGHT OF APPENDIX A, IN
ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE UPDATE
STUDY, WHICH PROVIDES FOR A REDUCTION IN RATES;
AMENDING THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT BUILDING
IMPACT FEE RATE SCHEDULE, WHICH IS SCHEDULE NINE
OF APPENDIX A, AS SET FORTH IN THE UPDATE STUDY,
WHICH PROVIDES FOR A REDUCTION IN RATES; AND
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF DECEMBER 20,
2010-ADOPTED
MR.OCHS: First would be 8D. It's a recommendation to adopt
an ordinance amending your impact fees related to the library impact
fees and your general government building impact fees.
Ms. Amy Patterson will present.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay, Amy.
MS. PATTERSON: Good afternoon. Amy Patterson, again, for
the record.
I have with me our consultants from Tindale Oliver, Mr. Steve
Tindale and Nilgun Kamp. We have a presentation that we can go
through, or if you want to go straight to questions, the pleasure of the
board.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: We've got your report here, and for this
particular item, all the impact fees that you're considering under this
particular item are going down; am I correct?
MS. PATTERSON: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Motion to approve.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That's a wonderful thing to do. Motion
to approve. We've got a motion to approve by Commissioner Coletta,
a second --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- by Commissioner Fiala.
Now we have -- if we have any questions by commissioners?
Do we have any speakers, Ian?
MR. MITCHELL: No, sir. We have no speakers.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner, do you have any
objections to the impact fees going down?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. All in favor of the motion, please
signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(N 0 response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. It passes unanimously. You did a
really, really good job, Amy.
MS. PATTERSON: Thanks.
MR.OCHS: Let's see how she does on the next one.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Now let's do the next one.
Item #8E
ORDINANCE 2010-47: RECOMMENDATION TO ADOPT AN
ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 74 OF THE COLLIER
COUNTY CODE OF LAWS AND ORDINANCES (THE COLLIER
COUNTY CONSOLIDATED IMP ACT FEE ORDINANCE)
PROVIDING FOR THE INCORPORATION BY REFERENCE OF
THE IMPACT FEE STUDIES ENTITLED THE COLLIER
COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEE STUDY FINAL
REPORT AND AMENDING THE LAW ENFORCEMENT
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IMPACT FEE RATE SCHEDULE, WHICH IS SCHEDULE TEN
OF APPENDIX A TO ALLOW FOR A PHASED
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RATES -ADOPTED W/PHASING
MR.OCHS: 10E is a recommendation to adopt an ordinance
amending Chapter 74 of the Code of Laws and Ordinances known as
your consolidated impact fee having to do with the update of your law
enforcement impact fee.
Ms. Patterson will present.
MS. PATTERSON: Again, I have the people from Tindale
Oliver here. This may be one that you want to see a brief presentation
on, or if you'd like me to go straight to questions.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, in my opinion, there is absolutely
nothing Mr. Oliver can tell me that will justify the conclusions of this
particular item; however, I'll let the other commissioners ask the
questions.
MS. PATTERSON: Certainly.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I do have a couple.
MS. PATTERSON: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Go ahead, Commissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. And we're in law
enforcement, right?
MR.OCHS: Yes, ma'am.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: We sure are.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. One of the things I wondered
was, we've been very fortunate in having a reduction in crime that's
wonderful. Actually for the last few years each year. Also, our
Sheriffs Office has been great in keeping his office trim and doing
away with phantom FTEs, if you will, and that's a good thing.
Also he's been great, and because there's not as much crime, he's
been able to reduce the jail down to just one jail rather than two, so
there's also a reduction in operating expenses there.
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On top of which, this study is based on total -- let me see -- on
the height of season. And being that I can't -- maybe I don't know, but
I can't see any other buildings that even need to be built at all, because
we've already got the newest buildings that we've put onboard, and I
think we're all set to go.
So I would believe that this impact fee should be able to be
lowered as well, even though I know you're doing it in stages and the
first couple are lower, but our -- you know, we have the ability to drop
it a little bit, and I'd like to see that happen.
MS. PATTERSON: Okay. You do have the ability to drop it.
We do have a large amount of debt associated to our law enforcement
construction over the last several years. That's what--
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I asked if it was paid for when I
talked with staff, and they said it's all paid.
MS. PATTERSON: The entire law enforcement?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That's what I understood. Maybe I
misunderstood. Did I misunderstand?
MR.OCHS: Yes, ma'am. What I was trying to explain was one
of the components that drives this fee up is your capital inventory
that's been credited to this impact fee over the last three years since the
last update study. Amy could talk a little bit about what's driving the
rate here.
MS. PATTERSON: That's correct. Now, with impact fee,
there's two different things that we have to consider is those buildings
that we're including on the inventory that are paid for, either because
we've incrementally paid them down or they were paid for by another
funding source.
Those are added to the inventory and have a positive effect on the
fee, and when I say positive, meaning that it increases the fee. It
doesn't mean to say that everything that we've built over these last
number of years is paid for. That's not true. There is outstanding debt
on a number of the buildings. It's that the inventory that comprises the
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impact fee only consists of those buildings that are either paid for by
us making payments or the portions of those buildings or buildings
that have been paid for by another funding source, and we do provide
a credit for those as well.
So we do have outstanding debt that's being paid with these
impact fees that are coming in now. They're going to pay for existing
debt.
MR. OCHS: Could you give some examples.
MS. PATTERSON: An example of one that was paid for by
another funding source would be the special ops building. There was
an arrangement that the sheriff had money set aside to pay for a good
portion of the construction of that building. So as it was -- as that
value was placed based on the inventory, there was a credit calculated
to avoid a double charge on growth, but it still is additional square
footage being placed on the inventory.
Some of the other buildings that have been constructed,
substations and other things, they'll be paid down over time, and we
can add square footage incrementally as time goes on and we're able
to pay down that debt. So two different things.
The major component that's driving this increase -- well, there
are three things. We just talked about buildings -- is equipment.
There's been an investment in equipment over the last five years, since
the last full update of this impact fee, that has been paid for, not with
impact fees, with other funding sources, and it has a big value, and
that value is on the inventory.
And the third thing is the credit. This is one of our very newest
fees, and I should probably turn to Steve to explain this better than I
can. But there was a very large credit component in the beginning
because all of these activities were being paid for with taxes.
When we adopted the impact fee in 2005, the board had a policy
that we would do -- we would provide these growth-necessitated
capital improvements, to a large extent possible, with impact fees.
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And as we've started doing this, the credit has become smaller and,
therefore, it's less of a -- less of a reduction on the fee, or it provides
an increase to the fee as you shrink that credit.
I was as surprised by the results of the study as you probably are.
But as we examined this, we went through the inventory in detail with
outside counsel and with the sheriffs. We have scrubbed this
inventory backwards and forwards with Productivity Committee and
with the DSAC. It's technically accurate. Now, whether that's your
policy is a different issue.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I would rather it be fundamentally
inaccurate.
MS. PATTERSON: I'm sorry.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: No. It doesn't make sense, but I'm sure
you calculated it properly . We don't have any new capital
construction projects planned for the next five years in the law
enforcement area.
MS. PATTERSON: Correct.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Our jail is not overcrowded. There is no
forecast demand for another jail or an expansion of a jail for some
time down the road, and you're telling me that the fee is going to go up
because you've added to the inventory things that we have already
built or acquired, capital expenditures.
You know, the questions that pop into my mind are, how did you
arrive at the value of those things? Is it the value that -- is it the
amount of money we paid for them in the past at that point in time, or
is it the forecast cost --
MS. PATTERSON: No.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- of replacing it or building additional
facilities in the future? And if the answer to that is no, I'm asking why
not, because that's what is most realistic with respect to what our
expenditure is going to be.
MR. TINDALL: Good afternoon. I'm Steve Tindale. Let me
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take one shot at this perfect storm.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
MR. TINDALL: Because when it was calculated -- one thing we
do is we like to deal with reality and common sense, so if I can --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: You missed this time.
MR. TINDALL: Well, let me -- and we're not recommending
you adopt this fee, but we had to go through the same consistent
calculations or we're going to be -- you know, we're starting to play
games. So let me just explain to you kind of the trap we were in.
One is, what's unique? Why is this different? Because it is. So
we agree it's different and it's strange, so let's talk about it. This is the
only fee that you recently adopted. All the other ones have been
around for years. And so you went through a process of not spending
a lot of taxes and only using fees.
So you have a certain amount of growth, you have a certain
amount of revenue, and the fees stay constant and your level of service
stays constant.
All your other fees have been around, except for government
buildings, but most of them. So this one's new. So that's one thing
that's different. It is one of your newer ones.
So you walk in, and you've got a very aggressive program going
on to capitalize. And you talked about operating cost versus capital
cost. You've got an operation going on that's making major local tax
money investments in capital, and it's a policy decision for the last
four or five years.
So you've been taking taxes and impact fees. That's a policy
decision. And you have capitalized and you have equipped and
you've modernized, and now you've got an asset sitting out there that
is very sharp, doing a really good job, that has been capitalized in
value dramatically during that five-year period. N one of your other --
none of your other fees have done that. No other fees have you
invested that percentage of increase in the tax base and the impact
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fees. And you've done that.
Now, you've done that for four or five years. And because of that,
when you technically sit down and say, if I look forward and I want to
continue this policy of, you know, of this major investment, and do I
need to continue to really intensify the capital investment and the
technology, then this would say, if you want to repeat what you've just
done, this is what you would do. You adopt this fee, and you'd keep
doing that.
And as you do that, every three or four years you're going to go
through the cycle of, wow, what have we done to ourself?
Now, that doesn't mean you have to. I mean, that's a policy
decision. So this is one of the rare instances of all the ones you've
done that you have taken a substantial amount of revenue with a little
bit of population growth and you've capitalized and increased the
value of your asset with those taxes.
Now, then what you said was, you know, I don't need to assume
those taxes in the future, which makes sense, but then what that does
is, the developer doesn't get credits. So it's a perfect storm.
You've made a decision, I think you've got a phenomenal
operation going on, you've capitalized it, and now you're changing
directions saying, I'm not going to continue to spend that level of
capitalization in taxes.
So the combination of changing the way you're doing business,
increasing the value per person dramatically, and then making the
right decision of, I'm not going to continue that with taxes, creates this
perfect storm.
Now, do you need to continue that with impact fees? If you've
got a major program you've done in a four-year period that usually
you would do over 15 and that's your decision, I've done what I would
do usually in 15 years in four or five, I don't want to do this for the
next 15 years, one, you've already decided they have -- to cut the taxes
and, two, you don't want to continue that, then don't adopt this fee at
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that level that continues that last five-year period. It's just a -- you
know, a policy decision on your part.
From my knowledge in watching the operation, it is well worth
the investment. You know, I've been impressed. I was impressed
three years ago when I met your -- I guess the sheriff was coming in
two or three years -- and I'm really impressed with what you've done,
but you don't have to repeat that. I mean, you can be in a stage now
that says, one, I'm not going to continue to invest current taxes in it
and, two, I don't need to capitalize the impact fee at this level. I can --
I can reduce this fee by 50 percent or whatever you want to, and take
this investment you've made in this very short period of time and
benefit from it for the next five to ten years, you know, back off on it.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Now, you see --
MR. TINDALL: So -- but it was done, and it was, from a
business decision, I think a good decision, and you're just saying, I
don't want to repeat that. I don't want to do what I did before, you
know. I don't want a major tax and 100 percent fees. I'm in good
shape. I don't need to build buildings. You know, I've got my
equipment really up to speed, and now you can make a decision to
take that last time period and not just, you know, say, I'm going to
adopt a 100 percent fee.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, let's make sure we put this in
perspective. When most of the commissioners took office, there was a
huge deficit in infrastructure.
MR. TINDALL: Correct.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: In particular, the sheriffs jail was
overcrowded.
MR. TINDALL: Right.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: They were putting people in temporary
facilities.
MR. TINDALL: Correct.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: So we had to invest in something at that
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point in time. And you're absolutely right, I personally don't intend to
continue investing at that same rate or same level because we had a lot
of deficit to make up. What I would appreciate very much is a
reasoned analysis over the next five or ten years that would tell us,
well, what's the jail population likely to be at that point in time --
MR. TINDALL: Well, that's correctional facilities. To be honest
with you, I mean, we've got two -- we have a -- I think the correctional
facilities fees --
MR.OCHS: That's a separate fee.
MR. TINDALL: -- were dropped dramatically. This is the -- this
is that new equipment, the new inventory. You know, a really sharp
group of people now doing something they weren't doing four or five
years ago, and two investments, impact fees and a major investment
that you've not -- if you can think of roadways, you'd have had to
spend maybe a billion dollars to change the roadway asset as much
percentage-wise as what you did for this asset.
I mean, relatively speaking, the percent change in this asset is
huge, and costs have come down dramatically. But this relative
change in the asset overwhelmed it, and it's a good decision. I've seen
what you-all have done, and you don't -- you don't necessarily need to
have to continue at 100 percent of the investment.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. How do we get to the point where
we're -- we can say with some degree of certainty at what level we
want to continue this out into the future?
MR. TINDALL: It's almost -- to be honest with you, that's --
we've -- we're developing -- and we haven't even talked to you about it
-- an equation that when your growth rate slows down and you're still
investing some taxes, that that slower growth rate with some level of
investment taxes then calculates, you know, the demand and slows
down the fees.
And I've got a couple clients now where we're out looking at --
we're not growing at 6 percent in a year. We're growing at 1 percent a
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year. And if I have any form of taxes with the slow growth rate going
in there increasing my asset, how does that deal with needs in the
investment?
And that's a -- kind of a smart growth question in terms of the
new -- the new life we're going to be experiencing of not growing at 5,
6 percent a year in a lot of our communities.
Tonight I would suggest to you, discount the fee and, you know,
we can come back and look at the slower growth rate. You do have a
reasonable tax base still going into that -- into that sheriff office, and
they could absorb some growth.
So that's kind of a management decision about, you know,
actually looking at the policy decision of the investment level over the
next few years.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, the DSAC has actually agreed
with your recommendation to phase it in.
MR.OCHS: Yes.
MR. TINDALL: That gives you some time, that major first cut
gives us some time to answer your question about the next phase.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. You're suggesting that if we
approve this on a phased schedule, you'd come back to us when?
MR. TINDALL: I think before you go up for the next __
CHAIRMAN COYLE: The next -- before the next year starts?
MR. TINDALL: -- the adjustment. Then we ask the question
about needs and growth rates and the level. That would be a time
period to deal with the policy issue of the next phase.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. And the impact would be roughly
88,300 for the first year?
MS. PATTERSON: An 88,300 -- $88,300 reduction to our
current collections.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Reduction, yes.
MS. PATTERSON: And we would be coming to you anyway
because of the required indexing cycle. So we could look at how the
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annual indexing layers in with the prescribed phase-in. It would give
us a better indication, because this is not the only fee that was
scheduled to go up this year. Correctional facilities experienced the
same thing because of the same reason, and that's the equipment
values.
So if we're going to continue to see this trend, then maybe this __
you know, we'll be able to look at this picture with another year under
our belt.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, I would be interested in, perhaps,
seeing that.
Commissioner Hiller?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I need some clarification. What
type of equipment are we talking about? And let me explain where
I'm coming from. In my mind, as the board, with respect to this
county, public safety is number one. So if we're going to make an
investment, our priority is to invest in public safety.
Where is the need? What kind of equipment are we looking at?
What do we need to help the sheriff with that we don't have? Is our
equipment obsolete or is there -- are there issues that we have that
require new equipment?
Can you give us some background to explain the need?
MR. TINDALL: I can briefly tell you. New computers in the
cars and some technology in the last two or three years, you've made
that investment. Your sheriff has brought the Sheriffs Department up
dramatically in terms of that investment, and that's what's happened to
the value. The value per person now that you have in capital, your
operating costs may now be under control and some efficiencies, but
the value invested has been dramatic because of that three- or
four-year capital investment of taxes and some collection of impact
fees.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: But we can't use impact fees
collected today to pay for past investments.
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MR. TINDALL: No. But if you've got a much better investment
per person, you can replace that when you add a police officer or you
grow. And the question is, do you need any police officers in the next
two or three years? And if you don't, because your growth rate has
dramatically come down, then you need to start adjusting this 100
percent fee.
So there's two different issues going on. One is, have you
capitalized it and is the value per person going up? The answer's yes.
But now you're growing at a growth rate where you can absorb it a
little differently in terms of a 100 percent fee. Almost two distinct
sequences of events that have occurred.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: But these fees are not being
pledged against debt. These are not pledged fees.
MS. PATTERSON: They're not pledged, but they're being used
to repay the debt.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Oh, I understand that. But they're
not pledged.
MS. PATTERSON: No, they're not pledged. But the other--
COMMISSIONER HILLER: And this is preexisting debt also.
MS. PATTERSON: This is preexisting--
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I think it would be so beneficial if
the sheriff was here to explain why there's a need for this investment
and the phased approach, because it may very well be that there is
built-in obsolescence and he sees the need for placement in year three,
which is why there is this phasing.
MS. PATTERSON: The phasing was developed by staffas a
recommendation in order to soften the increase. It was our -- because
a lot of times when you have an increase, if it's an increase across the
board, the board can simply elect to just not adopt that increase. They
can keep the current fees in place.
The peculiar thing with this fee was, we had 14 categories
because of the demand factor that were actually going down. So just
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keeping the fee the same was not an option because we had to deal
with those 14 categories.
So we offered the phase-in with the 60 percent as we could bring
every fee down, because you have to be fair to all categories. So the
60 percent implementation of the rates is actually a decrease to every
category, and then we slowly bring in the increase.
Those 14 categories actually get a larger reduction in the early
year than they would in the full implementation, and then we phase up
to still that decrease that was calculated by the study. It was this staff:
not the Sheriffs Office, that suggested the phases implementation as
an option, because we understand the economic situation out there that
an increase of this type may not be palatable.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: And there's no legal problem with
the lack of matching?
MS. PATTERSON: No. We've discussed all of this with outside
counsel as well as with our county attorney. And the phase is
something that other counties have utilized as well and that we
actually utilized when we implemented the government buildings
impact fee in 2004. It was a brand new fee, and it was a way to bring
it in slowly.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: You know, my concern is the
Board of County Commissioners is now responsible for the
calculation of impact fees, so we need full assurances that those
impact fees are being properly calculated. And we're relying on, you
know, Mr. Tindall to come up with accurate answers so that we are
legally compliant and that we do satisfy the double nexus test.
MS. PATTERSON: I understand. We also, like I said, as we vet
this through, we have outside legal counsel that are experts in impact
fees, and so this -- particularly because of the increases, we spent a lot
of time with council going through the report, going through the
calculations, going through the inventory lists.
DSAC had questions about, if there were any replacement items
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on there, making sure that that wasn't true, double checking with the
sheriffs department to make sure that we were in line with everything
on there being a growth capital asset. So I mean, there's been a lot of
time spent on this and making sure that these fees were appropriate.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: And Mr. Tindale, you -- hi. We've
never met before.
I just want to clearly understand that you are the professional
we're relying on and that there's no indemnification that you have as
against us with respect to any of these calculations, that it's fully your
responsibility .
MR. TINDALE: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: And that we're relying on your
professional judgment with respect to these calculations.
MR. TINDALL: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Okay. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. Might these fees change in
three years depending on revised inventory calculations?
MR. TINDALL: Yes. And I think -- but I think in the future
with the slower growth rate, we're going to, in advance, explain these
types of things in terms of why things occur and probably deal more
with policy, especially at a slower growth rate. Of course, your slower
growth rate's also going to generate slower revenues. There is some
balancing in that. But the answer is yes.
I think it's going to be much more moderate. The good -- kind of
good news and the bad news is -- the good news, as far as the future is,
there's less taxes being spent on this asset along with fees. So guess
what happens in the future? That inventory and that capitalization
slows way down.
So right now reducing that -- you know, that future investment
gives us lower credit. But long term, two or three years, because
you've got impact fee money and a lot less taxes going in, then that
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asset's going to grow much slower.
So, yes, it may be some adjustment, but much more moderate
than this last three to -- this last three to five years and all the things
you're doing, and what I see in the state, has been a really interesting
process to see in that investment, and it has created this issue.
But it's very clear in my mind that you've made some decisions
and you've done it, and now you've moderated that future decision and
those credits are down, those projected -- they're projecting much less
taxes being spent on capital along with a little bit of impact fee
revenue, so it will be much more moderate as far as, as we move
forward.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And from what I understand, this is
actually the maximum fee.
MR. TINDALL: Sure.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: We can always lower this __
MR. TINDALL: Correct.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- today even, right?
MR. TINDALL: Correct.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: We're just figuring it maximum
high, right?
MR. TINDALL: Right. We like to do it across the board, and
then as she mentioned, it's been five years since we've looked at some
of the demand. So there's some things you need to do to make it
match everything else that we've done with the other fees. But yes,
you can discount across the board, and there's no legal issue. Don't go
pick and choose classes and create that issue for us. But across the
board is a very legal process to do and a very common process.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: This has nothing to do with jail,
does it?
MR. TINDALL: No.
MR. OCHS: No, sir.
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COMMISSIONER HENNING: Jail or expansion of jails or--
MS. PATTERSON: No, sir. Jail's a separate--
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Those are correctional __
MS. PATTERSON: Correctional facilities.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. So Commissioner
Coyle's impact -- discussion was just off base, and it has nothing to do
with this. And not to dis- -- mislead the public or anything. It has to
do with things like when you build a --
MS. PATTERSON: Substation.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: -- substation and you have
deputies, new deputies come on, and that equipment?
MS. PATTERSON: New police car.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah, new police car and the
equipment that goes into that. It has nothing to do with jails?
MS. PATTERSON: No.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: And the recommendation by
DSAC is to phase this in.
MS. PATTERSON: Uh-huh.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: And I'll make that motion to do
so, so we can move on.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. We have a motion by
Commissioner Henning to approve the staffs recommendations,
seconded by Commissioner Hiller.
Any further discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
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COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It passes unanimously.
MS. PATTERSON: Thank you.
MR. TINDALL: Thank you.
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, thank you.
Item #101
RECOMMENDATION TO REVIEW AND ACCEPT THE AVE
MARIA STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT FIVE-YEAR FISCAL
MONITORING REPORT - MOTION TO CONTINUE AND
REQUEST THE CLERK OF COURTS TO REVIEW THE REPORT
AND RETURN WITH FINDINGS AT A FUTURE BOARD
MEETING - APPROVED
Mr. Chairman, as we discussed in the break, we had one other
item under county manager's report where there was a consultant in
that had to leave town before they -- sometime this evening. So,
again, with the board's indulgence, if we could hear Item 101, which
was previously 16A25 on your agenda. It was a recommendation to
review and accept the Ave Maria stewardship district five-year fiscal
monitoring report, and that item was moved off of consent at
Commissioner Hiller's request.
And Michele Mosca --
MS. MOSCA: For the record, Michele Mosca, Comprehensive
Planning staff I could either go through some of the requirements of
the five-year review or take questions, whatever the board's preference
.
IS.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Take questions.
MS. MOSCA: Okay.
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you, Commissioner Coyle.
Michele, what is your background? Do you have a financial
background?
MS. MOSCA: I don't. No, I don't.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: You're not an auditor?
MS. MOSCA: I'm an urban planner. No, I'm not.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: You're an urban planner. So you
really don't have the background to evaluate a financial analysis?
MS. MOSCA: I've been working on the fiscal impact analysis. I
was actually trained on the model several years back, but my
background is not in economics.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
MS. MOSCA: You're welcome.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: One of my concerns when I looked
at the modeling that was used this year as compared to what was
presented in 2005 is that the formats are materially different and that
there's no reconciliation between the two formats or the formulas and
the assumptions that are used where I can see really what's going on in
the intervening period and where we are today in comparative
numbers. So I'm actually very concerned about that.
In fact, one of my concerns was that when I looked at the 2010
report, there weren't any projections beyond 2010. I was very
concerned by the decrease in projected revenues. I was -- and by the
way, I guess the numbers in 2005 was 57 million as a positive impact
to the county, and this year we're talking about 11 million as the
positive impact to the county.
And just for fun, just for fun, I took road impact fees, not all the
impact fees, because I read your whole analysis and I saw, you know,
basically how pretty much all the impact fees have declined as, you
know, what we expected from Ave Maria.
And I ran a few numbers, and I have a few schedules that I would
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love to discuss with you, if I may.
MS. MOSCA: Certainly. Commissioner Hiller, if I may, the
purpose of the exercise in front of you is simply to identify the
development that has occurred within the past five years only. It
doesn't provide for any additional absorption schedule with the
projections that you spoke about.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: But it's a very, very important
analysis, because the impact on the county and the obligations on the
county, if it turns out that the impact analysis proves to be a negative
rather than a positive, is problematic.
We're facing decreasing revenues across the board. We're
projecting another 10 percent decrease in property values next year.
This district is supposed to be financially independent. And I'm
looking at numbers that are not, as I see it, supporting that future
positive fiscal impact. So I'm very, very concerned.
If -- I looked just at road impact fees, for example. The projected
road impact fees for the last five years was 28.5 million. They're
currently reported at 9.5 million, okay.
We've got -- we're already building. We're already building
those roads. We have a lack of matching. The anticipated revenue
stream that we expected to receive to offset our construction costs are
not materializing. Who's factoring in the cost of capital that we're
now bearing for funding this project?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Commissioner Hiller, if I could, Nick
Casalanguida, for the county.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: And another consultant is here, too, so
we can address questions to him as well.
One thing to consider in this FIAM analysis, as well as the issue
discussed with roads, they're almost two separate items in the sense
that, by agreement, we agreed to pre fund this road at a time where
things were obviously better.
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Now, if we wanted to go into a review and analysis of the DCA
as compared to what's done, staffhas looked at what the county
attorney and their folks -- and the comments come back as we made
this agreement in the light, and we knew what we were up against
when we did this, not factoring in that we'd have an economic
downturn.
The amount of money paid for roads on this fiscal analysis really
looks at --
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Can I ask you -- just before you
move on to the next point.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: When you say you, through the
developer agreement, agreed to pre fund this road, I happened to -- I
read that agreement as well.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I'm not sure I come to the same
conclusion. But did you factor in the cost of capital or prefunding this
road, the lag time, the time value of money, if you will, between
funding it up front and the time we're going to get paid by the
developer?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: No, ma'am, we didn't. You know--
COMMISSIONER HILLER: You didn't?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: -- that was not __
COMMISSIONER HILLER: So that's a cost that has to be
factored into the analysis?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: It does, but aside from the FIAM in
terms of -- because there are two different things. I know they seem
like they wouldn't be, but they are. When you look at -- the FIAM for
road impact fees, you look at how much money they've paid in road
impact fees, and it's a factor of how many units they've built.
So as long as they're paying their road impact fees and our road
impact fee calculations are correct, they are paying for their impacts
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per vehicle per new development on the road.
Now, when you -- when you look at that with respect to the
building of Oil Well Road, you'd say, how does that happen? Again,
they're two different things.
So if your question is, did we get ahead of what we thought the
development would be? It looks like we did based on the recession
we're in right now. We expected many more dollars in impact fees to
pay for Oil Well Road construction.
That said, we're not building Oil Well Road just for them. We're
building it for other people as well, too.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: And I completely understand that.
And it goes back to my question during the MPO, which was, you
know, where are these revenues and the cost of this advanced funding
factored into that, you know, feasi- -- financially feasible portion of
our work plan or our long-term plan, whichever way you want to
describe it? I don't care which horizon you're looking at.
And I really am concerned that our costs are substantially higher
than stated. And I just picked roads as an example, and I'm going to
go ahead and introduce the few calculations that I did as exhibits.
The point I'm getting to is that I think that this analysis needs to
be reviewed by a professional.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I think it really ought to be
reviewed by someone with a financial background who can analyze
the assumptions made by Ave Maria's consultants and really do a
comparative analysis between the format that was initially used and
what we're seeing today factoring in, you know, the delay and the cost
to the county of bearing the burden of that delay to come up with a
realistic assessment of what's going on.
There's a lot -- there's a lot at play here. We're talking, you know
MR. CASALANGUIDA: I think when you factor roads into this
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specially, when you look at the other fees --
COMMISSIONER HILLER: But that was just one example.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: One example.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: No, all the other ones are down,
too.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller, please. You have
some serious concerns. Give him an opportunity to answer it, please.
You've named a number of serious concerns you have, but you haven't
given him an opportunity to respond to them.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Well, you're very kind to point that
out, Commissioner Coyle. My point is, is that I don't want Mr.
Casalanguida to feel that this is all about transportation. In fact, it
isn't. That's just one small example, which is why I don't really want
to dwell on the transportation issue, but just use it as a small example
to show that there's general concern. And my point is not about the
details of what we discuss. I think those details need to be reserved
for an analysis with a consultant or someone who has a financial
background, be it the Clerk of Courts or, you know, an external
auditor who can review this to come up with a correct analysis. So I
really don't want to belabor the details.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure. Well, let me ask a question
from staff
Mike, we adopted a 2007 FIAM model that the board adopted; is
that correct?
MR. BOSI: Correct.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: So I think that the analysis model was
adopted by the board how this thing would be plugged in, and there is
-- the model gets the import, staff verifies those imports are correct,
and really they work with impact fee office to determine how many
housing units, how many impact fees were collected, then they look at
services rendered by -- you know, obviously they don't have public
water/sewer. They provide that. So that's not an analysis.
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But fire, EMS, roads, all the fees that -- the services that we
provide, and we look at that through that FIAM model.
So if we've adopted a model that we're going to use and we've
verified the inputs, I don't know what else an outside person could
look at. I'm certainly open to that discussion if that's what the board
wants.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: The reconciliation to the baseline
and the assumptions used in that modeling, because that -- you know,
tweaking assumptions just by a little bit is going to impact us by
millions.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Okay. I guess, with board direction,
how would you like me to proceed, understanding we've adopted a
model and we've verified the inputs and outputs. Would you like to
have -- give questions to the consultant, their consultant, or--
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Do you have the consultant here?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: He is here.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Why don't we have -- the consultant is
an expert; is he not?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: I believe he is.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Then why don't we just have the expert
answer some of the questions.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: And if I may comment. The
consultant works for Ave Maria, and we need to have our own
independent consultant who will, you know, be representative of the
board. So while I appreciate this consultant's input, he does have a
fiduciary to his client, not to us.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure. And I'm certainly open, if the
board wishes, that the staffhire someone else to do the FIAM. If that's
the board's will, we'll move in that direction. But if you have
questions, then maybe he could answer them or make a brief
presentation.
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MR. FISHKIND: For the record, I'm Hank Fishkind. I'm the
president ofFishkind & Associates. We developed the fiscal impact
model, and be delighted to answer any questions the board may have.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Mr. Fishkind, I have asked a
number of questions. You may have heard them. Maybe you can
comment on what I was addressing earlier.
MR. FISHKIND: Sure. I'll do my best.
First in terms of financial background, I have a PhD in
economics and statistics.
We developed these models initially under contract to the Florida
Department of Community Affairs. They've been vetted by the Urban
Land Institute. Most recently similar questions from a commission,
Sarasota, came up about our modeling. They had the model reviewed
by AECOM, and they found that the model does produce accurate and
reliable results.
As your staff has indicated, the model was produced in -- by our
staff: working with yours, to calibrate the model. It's basically an
Excel workbook. It drives off of your budgets. Your concern relative
to projections in 2005 compared to where we are today really are
driven by the recession itself.
2005 we're looking forward. That's what we had to do. Today,
of course, we have the actuals. We can look and see how much
development occurred. We also have your budget. So it's really a
matter of arithmetic to determine the operating costs and the operating
revenues, which is what the model does.
In terms of capital, we drive it off of your impact fees, because
we take an accrual-type approach, if you will, and so that's the essence
of the modeling. Yes, revenues are down, but costs are down
dramatically as well compared to what we projected earlier. And so
the fiscal surplus per unit, somewhat smaller than what we projected,
largely because the home prices are somewhat lower, but we're still
showing an annual fiscal surplus of more than $400,000 on an
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operating basis, which is significant. So I think that the expectation of
an erosion of home prices of some 10 to 15 percent, I think, is
reasonable, but it won't change the outcome of the model nor the
conclusions that I would draw from it.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: My understanding is that it was
positive because of grants, not because of what you're describing.
Maybe I'm mistaken.
MR. FISHKIND: Yes, ma'am, you are. On an operating basis,
the modeling certainly show -- operating basis, ma'am -- a substantial
surplus.
On a capital basis, yes, there are some grants. The model's on an
accrual basis. Even if you take the grants out, we'll still be
substantially fiscally positive. The model's looking on a long-term
basis to calculate your average cost over a 30-year horizon. I think it's
reasonable to believe that the county will get, in the future, some level
of grants as it got in the past.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: So the grants were factored in the
2005 model?
MR. FISHKIND: Grants were factored in 2005, grants are
factored in 2010. I think if we did this analysis in 2015, we will find
that you got some grants, and it's reasonable to account for them.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: And the modeling is not the issue.
The issue is the assumptions made in your modeling and how you
reconcile the base year to the current year where the formats are
materially different.
MR. FISHKIND: I heard you. And as I said earlier, in 2005
we're projecting forward. The purpose of this exercise is not to project
forward. It's to see what we did over the last five years. Since we had
no history in 2005, of course we'll have to project forward. But today
we have the benefit of being able to look backward, and that is what
the calculations are, and that's what your ordinance prescribes, it
.
reqUIres.
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COMMISSIONER HILLER: I understand. Is there any need to
project forward? Is that something you do, or is that something we
request of you?
MR. FISHKIND: Yes and yes, but not for this exercise. But yes,
certainly we project forward. We consult with a number of local
governments who have fiscal issues similar to what you face.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: So overall, how would you
describe the health of Ave Maria based on the F-I-M (sic) that you
produced?
MR. FISHKIND: We're producing positive fiscal results for the
county, substantial positive fiscal results for the school board and for
the fire district.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
MR. FISHKIND: Certainly . Would there be another question or
comment I might --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: There's not another fiscal
analysis going to be done or shared with the county for the Town of
Ave Maria; is that correct?
MR. FISHKIND: We haven't done another one, Commissioner
Henning.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: No. There's no -- in the future,
there's none going to be --
MR. FISHKIND: I thought that every -- that there's a periodic
checking. I think it's every five years in your ordinance,
Commissioner Henning. So I think the answer to your question is yes;
five years from now you'll go through this exercise again, I believe,
.
SIr.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Can -- since we're using
hopefully the same model, we can do a comparable at that time?
MR. FISHKIND: Sure. You could look and see how much
fiscal surplus you have. How much per unit would probably be the
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best way to judge, since the number of units are going to change over
time, sir.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Right. The -- and I don't know
if I'll be here in another five years. But I think it's worthy of doing that
comparable, with that long-term historical perspective.
MR. FISHKIND: Sure. Well, it would help you not only with
Ave Maria, but I would suggest you might want to do it for the current
land base you have, because it will help you with your general
analytics and formulating of your budget separate and apart from Ave
Maria. And your staff certainly has that model, and they're very
competent. They can certainly do it.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Thank you.
MR. FISHKIND: Certainly.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Any further questions?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I just want to reconfirm to -- just
to summarize, for my benefit, that the data inputs and the standards
and the multipliers that you used in 2005 are the same that you're
using now in 201 O?
MR. FISHKIND: The basic data inputs and multipliers are the
same. They're based on your budget. Your budget has changed since
2005 so, of course, the calculations change. They change every single
year. But other than that, yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Everything is the same. Thank
you.
MR. FISHKIND: All the inputs, yes, ma'am. Thank you very
much.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you.
MR. MITCHELL: Sir, you have one public speaker.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
MR. MITCHELL: Duane Billington.
MR. BILLINGTON: Good afternoon, again, Commissioners.
For the record, my name's Duane Billington. And if the time is
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needed, Bill V onier's granted me his time.
I recently posed some questions to staff about some items in the
report that Mr. Fishkind was so kind to elucidate. And one of the
questions I asked had to do with how many acres of right-of-way the
developer gave credit for and how much per acre the credit was
granted.
Well, right-of-way, for farmland, apparently, in Collier County
was a grant of $50,000 an acre. I know of no farmland in Collier
County now or in the 35 years that I've been here, vacant farmland,
that has a value of $50,000 an acre. The most recent purchase I can
think of -- well, to give the u.s. Sugar purchase by Water
Management District, those agricultural acres were bought for 7,500
an acre.
And I would submit that if we have bad information going into
this computer model, you're going to have bad information coming
out.
And my question really is, how was this $50,000 an acre figure
derived at for what I assume is unimproved agricultural land?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: I can certainly look into that in a little
more detail, but I can tell you that the developer was given no credit as
part of the DCA for the road construction for that money.
Now, for the model, when you figure in condemnation, I'll have
to look at that in detail, because when you -- it's not just a straight land
value cost -- I should be addressing the board. I apologize -- it's the
value of the cost of what the developer can quote as if we went to the
free market and had to condemn the property our average costs for
right-of-way when we would go forward.
So he would look at probably the Oil Well Road right-of-way
that we purchased through the condemnation process and say, what
was the average cost per acre to get that property. I can certainly do
that, but I know the developer was given no credit for the right-of-way
donated per that agreement.
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MR. BILLINGTON: Okay. Are there other items where the
developer submitted the financial data for the Fishkind analysis, and
were these looked at by staff or verified?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure. The staff looked at everything
that was provided in that analysis. I know they worked with Amy in
the impact fee office to talk about how much impact fees were
collected, what the values were. And if there's anything in there that's
questionable, we'll certainly take a look at it.
I think staff was fairly comfortable using the adopted model that
there was enough of a plus that they didn't feel anything in there was
drawing a red light to it or flag to it. So if there's an item in there, I'd
be happy to look at it and absolutely come back to the board if
something seemed out of the ordinary and threw us in a negative
number, but I don't anticipate that to happen.
MR. BILLINGTON: Okay. Could you explain to me better
what that credit referred to for the right-of-way contribution as a way
-- I'll read you my -- the answer I was given.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure.
MR. BILLINGTON: The total amount of right-of-way donated
in the development contribution agreement, DCA, is 156 acres. The
value assigned by the developer in the DCA is $7,800,000 for the
right-of-way.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Again, we're talking about the DCA
versus the FIAM, because what he's taken for a credit in terms of -- a
property value credit in terms of a donation, a tax write-oft: he
assigned that value to him. We can look at that, but that's not the
value we're applying in the FIAM model. It's everything to do with
our impact fee that's there. So I will take a look at it.
We didn't give him any impact fee credits, so the county gave the
developer no valuation for that property. He didn't -- he was not able
to apply it against his impact fees. So I will take a look at that
reference.
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MR.OCHS: Are we answering--
COMMISSIONER HILLER: That's actually a very interesting
point, Mr. Billington, because when I look at this analysis, out of their
total capital revenue of27.8 million, that right-of-way contribution is
7.8 million, and the road impact fees are 9.5, approximately, million.
So you're looking, you know, just in those two items as the bulk, if
you will, of the capital revenues. So I thank you for bringing that out.
I think it's significant.
MR. BILLINGTON: Well--
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Because an incorrect valuation
with respect to an input like that obviously materially affects the
bottom line.
MR. BILLINGTON: Right. Garbage in, garage out.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I guess you could summarize it
that way.
MR. BILLINGTON: And as a taxpayer, I would feel much more
comfortable --
MR. MITCHELL: Sir, we are out of time.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
MR. BILLINGTON: What about the second three minutes?
MR. MITCHELL: There was nobody else signed up. Nobody
else ceded time to you.
MR. BILLINGTON: The gentleman, Mr. Vonier.
MR. MITCHELL: He left. He didn't cede you time. He just
asked me to tear up his --
MR. BILLINGTON: Okay. How much of my time was eaten up
by staff? I had about a half a minute.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Oh.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Commissioners, maybe I could
address that.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: If you can address it quickly.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure.
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: Otherwise, I think you should get any
questions that Mr. Billington has and respond to them in writing.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: How about I do that, sir, and if I find
any discrepancy, I bring back an update, if there is one, to the board.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Absolutely.
MR. BILLINGTON: Okay. And I want to thank Commissioner
Hiller for suggesting that this be reviewed by somebody that we hire
instead of the developer's hired gun. Thank you.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Commissioner Coyle, just real
quick. I don't see anything wrong with -- Crystal, can you take and
look at the data provided and see if there's any other information that
you can pull out of it and give us some more insight of the -- either the
cost or the benefit?
MS. KINZEL: We haven't looked at this at all, Commissioner,
but I can certainly run it by the clerk. And if that's the board's desire,
I'll run it by Dwight and we can --
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Does anybody have a problem
with the clerk taking a look at it and --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: No.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I don't.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: It's a very good recommendation.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah. I'm going to make a
motion to approve this item, if you don't mind, and also ask the Clerk
of Court to take a look at the results of the FIAM, and if there's
anything odd, report to the board.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah. I agree with that. I think we need
to have a mechanism for getting it back for our reconsideration if
something is found wrong with it. In other words, if we approve it and
there are some significant issues, we need to have some way of getting
it back before the board so we can get those things corrected.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah. I'm not sure -- I mean,
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the report is a report.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: You could continue the item,
Commissioner, and pending any -- I mean, I don't think there's
anything imminent that you have to approve the report today. If you
have questions about it and you want to bring it back and --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Henning, would you
mind amending your motion to --
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Sure, continue this item, report
on the Ave Maria FIAM, request the clerk, that's asking, to take a look
at the model and see if they concur with the outputs.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: The findings.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All right. We have a second,
Commissioner Hiller?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. All in favor, please signify by
.
saYIng aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It passes unanimously.
Item #8B
ORDINANCE 2010-48: PUDA-2007-AR-11961; VOILA, II, LLC,
REPRESENTED BY MARGARET PERRY, OF WILSONMILLER,
INC. IS REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO SONOMA OAKS
MIXED USE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (MPUD) TO
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ALLOW A MAXIMUM OF 114 RESIDENTIAL DWELLING
UNITS AND/OR A MAXIMUM OF 456 SENIOR HOUSING
UNITS ON THE RESIDENTIAL SENIOR HOUSING UNITS AT A
FLOOR AREA RATION (FAR) OF 0.60 ON THE 8.93 ACRE
COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THIS 37.5 ACRE TOTAL
PROJECT. SENIOR HOUSING UNITS INCLUDE INDEPENDENT
LIVING FACILITIES, ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES AND/OR
SKILLED NURSING FACILITIES. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS
LOCA TED ON THE WEST SIDE OF COLLIER BOULEVARD
(CR 951) BETWEEN WORLFE ROAD AND LOOP TOAD, IN
SECTION 34, TOWNSHIP 48 SOUTH, RANGE 26 EAST,
COLLIER COUNTY. FLORIDA. (CTS) - ADOPTED W/CHANGES
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, that takes us back to your
advertised public hearings. We would move to Item 8B.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Is that right?
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, this item requires that all
participants be sworn in and ex parte disclosure be provided by
commission members. It's PUDA-2007-AR-11961, Voila.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Which one is this again, Leo? I'm
so sorry to interrupt.
MR.OCHS: 8B, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, I'm sorry. Okay.
MR.OCHS: This is the Sonoma Oaks mixed-use planned unit
development. It's a request to amend the PUD to allow for a
maximum of 114 residential dwelling units and/or a maximum of 456
senior housing units on the residential portion and up to 120,000
square feet of commercial development and/or senior housing units at
a floor area ratio of 0.60 on the 8.93-acre commercial portion of this
37.5-acre total project.
Senior housing units include independent living facilities,
assisted living facilities, and/or skilled nursing facilities.
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The subject property's located on the west side of Collier
Boulevard between Wolfe Road and Loop Road in Section 34,
Township 48, Range 26 east, Collier County, Florida.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Would everyone who's going to
give testimony please stand, raise your right hand and be sworn in.
(The speakers were duly sworn and indicated in the affirmative.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Now for ex parte disclosure by
commissioners. Can we start with Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I have reports -- Planning
Commission report, I watched the Planning Commission meeting, and
I think this is a real simple issue that -- only have one question.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes. I had a meeting all the
way back in 9/30 of '05 with Craig Nagel, Tom Craig. I had a meeting
on 5/18 with Dr. Vernon Ray of the Oliver Group in '07, another
meeting with -- on 6/22/09, Richard Y ovanovich, and another meeting
on 12/13/10 with Richard Yovanovich, and that pretty well covers it,
other than I reviewed the staff report and had another phone call from
Richard Yovanovich on 12/13.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: He was really busy, wasn't he? I wonder
if he billed for all of those things.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: He'll probably bill me.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I have had meetings, correspondence,
emails, telephone calls, all part of my public folder here. You're
welcome to go through it if you'd like. I've met, on September the
26th, 2005, with Bruce Anderson and Bob Mulhere, and on June 20,
2007, with Dr. Vernon Ray and Dixie Stevens, and on December the
9th, 2010, with Rich Y ovanovich.
Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. I'm afraid that my records
didn't go back, or --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: You can use mine if you'd like.
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Could I use yours? Everything he
said plus -- plus the staff report, and I met with Rich Y ovanovich.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner Hiller?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I've had meetings and calls from
Mr. Y ovanovich, with and from, and staff report.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. And Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah. I -- this is an existing
PUD, correct.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Correct.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: So I think the only thing that we
need to hear is the changes, and the changes are adding ALF, correct?
MR. YOV ANOVICH: The only change is to add a continuing
care retirement community as a potential option. And I believe the
reason we're not on summary agenda is --
COMMISSIONER HENNING: We had one planning
. .
commISSIoner --
MR. YOV ANOVICH: We had one planning commissioner who
objected to the height on the commercial portion of the project having
the same standard of 61 feet, zoned 69 feet actual on the commercial
portion of the property, which is closest to Collier Boulevard.
We subsequently submitted a change to the PUD to make it the
same height as all the other commercial allowed uses, which is 42 feet
zoned and 50 feet actual. So that's really the only change, and we
think we addressed that Planning Commissioner's concern. And had I
-- had we had an opportunity to do that, I think we could have
probably addressed it at the Planning Commission and hopefully have
been on summary agenda.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah. The -- Mr. Bellows? Do
you see any other changes to this existing PUD?
MR. BELLOWS: For the record, Ray Bellows. Now, the
petitioner has described the changes.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay.
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MR. BELLOWS: It's really to add the ALF and, I believe, two
additional dwelling units in the residential tract.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Oh.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Yes, I forgot --
COMMISSIONER HENNING: You didn't tell me it all.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: There was a survey when we were truing
up based upon the actual size of the residential piece, so it went from
112 to 114. Sorry, Commissioner. I did forget that.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay, thanks.
Mr. Chairman, whenever you're ready to close the public hearing,
I'm ready to make a motion.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Just a fast question. Did you hold a
neighborhood information meeting, and if so, were there any problems
with the height of this building?
MR. YOV ANOVICH: No, ma'am. I mean, yes, we held a
neighborhood information meeting, actually many neighborhood
information meetings, and no, there were no issues regarding the
heights.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And they felt it was in keeping with
the neighborhood, right?
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Yes. I think they were happy that we
were doing a CCRC.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I'll close the public hearing.
Commissioner Henning, go ahead.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Mr. Chair, I make a motion that
we adopt the amended PUD ordinance, Item 8B, with the changes, and
the height different -- difference of the commercial down to the __
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Forty-two feet.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: -- forty-two feet.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Zoned, yes, sir.
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COMMISSIONER HENNING: Forty-two feet zoned.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Zoned height.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Zone height with, of course,
those two extra housing units.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Units, yeah.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I wouldn't approve those, quite frankly.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I don't want to argue.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: What's that?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. We have a motion to approve
with the modification of the specified height by Commissioner
Henning and second by Commissioner Fiala.
Is there any further discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: The motion passes unanimously.
Item #8C
ORDINANCE 2010-49: RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE
REMEDIAL AMENDMENTS TO THE GROWTH
MANAGEMENT PLAN, ORDINANCE 89-05, AS AMENDED, TO
IMPLEMENT A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED COMPLIANCE
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AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF
COMMUNITY AFFAIRS AND COLLIER COUNTY, INCLUDING
PETITIONERS-INOINTERVENTION, PERTAINING TO SECTION
24 IN NORTH BELLE MEADE - ADOPTED
MR.OCHS: Commissioner, 8C is a recommendation to approve
remedial amendments to the Growth Management Plan, ordinance
89-05 as amended, to implement a previously approved compliance
agreement between the Florida Department of Community Affairs and
Collier County including petitioners and intervention pertaining to
Section 24 in North Belle Meade.
Mr. David Weeks will present.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Move to approve.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Motion to approve by Commissioner
Henning, second by Commissioner Coletta.
Any questions?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Excellent presentation. Thank you very
much.
Item #10C
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RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE PROPOSED
AMENDMENTS TO COLLIER COUNTY ORDINANCE 92-60, AS
AMENDED (TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX) AND ADVERTISE
THE PROPOSED AMENDED ORDINANCE FOR APPROVAL AT
A FUTURE MEETING TO REDUCE THE TOURISM
EMERGENCY RESERVE FUND 196 CEILING AND ELIMINATE
THE YEAR END SWEEP OF FUNDS FROM TOURISM
ADMINISTRATION FUND 194 TO FUND 195 AND 183, AND
REDIRECT THOSE FUNDS TO TOURISM PROMOTION FUND
184 FOR TOURISM DESTINATION MARKETING AND
AUTHORIZE ALL NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENTS -
APPROVED
MR.OCHS: Commissioners, your next item is Item 10C. It's a
recommendation to approve the proposed amendments to the Collier
County ordinance 92-60 as amended, tourist development tax, and
advertise the proposed amended ordinance for approval at a future
meeting to reduce the Tourism Emergency Reserve Fund 196 ceiling,
and eliminate the year-end sweep of funds from Tourism
Administration Fund 194 to Fund 195 and 183, and redirect those
funds to your Tourism Promotion Fund 184 for tourism destination
marketing and authorize all necessary budget amendments.
Mr. J ack Wert will present.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Four of us have been through this at the
workshop with the TDC. If Commissioner Hiller needs some
additional information concerning this, we'll take some time to do that;
otherwise, I have one question. It will be the same question I asked
you then.
MR. WERT: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I want a very, very clear statement that
this action will not jeopardize any beach renourishment projects.
MR. WERT: Beach renourishment projects should not be
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affected by this action, and we have been through that with the Coastal
Advisory Committee, Gary McAlpin's department, and so forth. So
we think that this is a sound move for us to find some destination
marketing dollars we desperately need.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Very well. Was there a question
-- motion to approve?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yes.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Motion to approve by Commissioner
Henning.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Seconded by Commissioner Fiala.
Any further questions?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: The motion passes unanimously.
MR. WERT: Thank you, Commissioners, very much. And
welcome, Commissioner.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Another good presentation.
MR. WEEKS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah, it was, it was.
Item #10E
RECOMMENDATION TO AWARD BID NUMBER 10-5596, SRO
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WELLFIELDRAWWATER TRANSMISSION MAIN REPAIR TO
MITCHELL & STARK CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, INC., IN
THE AMOUNT OF $1,812,000 COMPLETE THE FIRST STAGE
OF PHASE IV OF THE SOUTH REVERSE OSMOSIS
WELLFIELD RA W WATER TRANSMISSION MAIN REPAIR
PROJECT, PROJECT NO. 70030 - APPROVED; DIRECT STAFF
TO CREATE NEW LANGUAGE TO BE WRITTEN INTO THE
PURCHASING POLICY AND BROUGHT BACK AT A FUTURE
BCC MEETING
Item #10F
RECOMMENDATION TO AWARD CONTRACT #10-5599 TO
STANTEC CONSULTING SERVICES, INC., IN THE AMOUNT
OF $341,534, FOR CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING
INSPECTION SERVICES FOR THE FIRST STAGE OF PHASE IV
OF THE SOUTH REVERSE OSMOSIS WELLFIELD RAW
WATER TRANSMISSION MAIN REPAIR PROJECT, PROJECT
NO. 70030 - APPROVED
Item #10G
RECOMMENDATION TO AWARD CONTRACT #10-5593 WEST
EUSTIS AVENUE STORMW A TER IMPROVEMENTS TO SOUTH
WEST UTILITY, INC. IN THE AMOUNT OF $266,188 PLUS A
TEN (10) PERCENT CONTINGENCY OF $26,618.80 TOTALING
$292,806.80, PROJECT NO. 51024 - APPROVED
W/STIPULATIONS
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, 10E is a recommendation to award
bid number 10-5596, SRO wellfield raw water transmission main
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repair to Mitchell & Stark Construction Company, Incorporated, in the
amount of$I,812,000 to complete the first stage of Phase IV of the
south reverse osmosis wellfield raw water transmission main repair
project. Project Number 70030.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: And this is the one that we have filed a
complaint against the suppliers of the pipe and the installation of the
pipe, and I hope we're going to recover some money for it, but it has to
be repaired, right?
MR.OCHS: Yes.
MR. SONIAC: Yes. For the record, Mark Soniac, principal
project manager. Yes, Commissioner.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Move to approve.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Henning -- motion to
approve by Commissioner Henning.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And second.
MR.OCHS: Commissioners--
MR. CARNELL: If I could, could -- Steve Carnell, purchasing
director. The next three items all have some common policy issues.
What we would ask you to do is to hear the presentation on all three,
and then we'd ask for three motions after the three presentations,
please.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah. That's--
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. I'll withdraw my motion.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you very much. I should have --
Steve asked me to do that before we started.
MR. MITCHELL: Sir, we have a public speaker on this item as
well.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: So we'll hear the next three items, and
then we will try to make a decision that is not contradictory.
MR. DeLONY: Let me help you with the first two.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
MR. DeLONY: This one you just heard read into the record, and
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we discussed it with regard to its purpose and how we got here and
where we are with regard to this recovery.
This is the first of two items to deal with this project. This is the
construction of what we're calling the first part of Phase IV, which is
our recovery phase, and we broke up the 23 wells into two packets so
we could have -- we could restore as quickly as possible as many as
we can, and then we'll come back to the board here sometime this
spring for the second part of Phase IV for -- this is for 11 wells, and
then we'll bring back for the next 12. So we'll have some lessons
learned.
And we have done all the due diligence with the County Attorney
Office's assistance to ensure 100 percent cost recovery both in our
reproach and deployment as we proceed into this restoration project.
Where it's complicated -- and I'm going to turn this over to Mr.
Carnell -- in terms of the policy decisions that affect the award of this
contract and the award of the subsequent contract, which is for
construction, engineering, and inspection on this project. So I'll turn it
over to Mr. Carnell now.
MR. CARNELL: Yes, sir. Steve Carnell, for the record. As you
can see on the screen, we had over 1,300 vendors who were notified of
this opportunity, and we had 96 bid packages downloaded, and four
bids were submitted, and you can see the summary of the bids in front
of you.
The key here issue -- and this is the issue we've got on all three of
these agenda items that we need some coordinated uniform response
here.
The documentation -- if you'll remember, the board, in October,
had directed the staff to not only have our bidders sign an affidavit
indicating that they were complying with federal immigration law and
that they were voluntarily signing up for the federal homeland security
E- Verification identity system, we asked -- at that time the board
directed that we go a step further and that we obtain first-hand
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verbatim documentation that the vendors/bidders/contractors were
doing that, and we were directed to get that with their bid submissions.
In this case also -- prior to that the board had asked us to
distribute a letter to our vendor base, asking our vendors at that point,
voluntarily, to submit the information. So we had two kind of
different directions, same objective, going on simultaneously.
The low bidder on this job, Mitchell & Stark, submitted the
E- Verify validation, the documentation that they were, in fact, signed
up in the system separately in response to the letter that the staff
issued at board direction, but they did not attach it to their bid
submission.
And we, at board direction, put very unequivocal language in our
bidding documents that you must submit it with your bid document.
So what we have is an irregularity or defect here with Mitchell &
Stark's bid, but we believe as a staff that Mitchell & Stark complied
with the spirit and the intent of the board direction because they had
provided us the actual information that we wanted, just simply under
separate cover, and we received it about a week or two prior to the bid
.
openIng.
So what we are -- just so you understand, we did get a protest
from the second low bidder essentially -- and it's in your backup -- but
the protest simply said, well, the low bidder didn't submit the required
documentation. Brought up a couple other issues as well, which we
addressed. And my decision and response is all part of the backup.
And we're here today to simply tell you that we believe that the
board should waive the irregularity, that what Mitchell & Stark's
failure to include with their bid was not a fatal flaw, and that it has no
effect on the competition, and that by taking into account the
documentation they had submitted prior to the bid opening under
separate cover, that they are compliant essentially with the board's
requirement and, of course, Mitchell & Stark's bid is $738,000 lower
than the next bidder.
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So that's our recommendation on that particular contract.
Now, on the contract for the construction engineering services,
which is -- we have a separate presentation here, but just if you'll
listen to me, I think I can cover the gist of it very quickly . We had
three proposers, and one of them gave us the required E- Verify
documentation with their bid package -- I'm sorry -- with their
proposal, two did not. Now, one of the two that did not did provide it
under separate cover the same day the proposal was due.
And this is a little different. This is a CCNA selection where
we're evaluating qualifications as opposed to a price bid opening. So
in this case we had to make a decision as to who we could then
evaluate in our public Sunshine-Law-based selection committee
process.
And in consultation with County Manager's Office and County
Attorney's Office, we made the decision to include Stantec. Stantec
was the firm that submitted their E- Verify documentation separately.
It wasn't with their proposal, but it was under separate cover. You
know, here's a summary of the proposals right here.
And URS was a firm that did not submit their documentation
with their proposal and had not submitted it under separate cover
either, so that what we did was we excluded or rejected the URS
proposal based on the previous board directive, but we included the
Stantec submission because we did have the documentation in hand
through separate cover at the time the proposal was due.
So what we're here today to do, we have convened the selection
committee, and they ranked the two firms and ranked Stantec first, and
we are prepared to move forward on this. What we'd like direction
from the board today to do is to formally select Stantec as the top
ranked firm, and then we will bring a contract back to you in the
January meeting for action at that time. That's where we are with
Stantec.
And then again, there's one more item. It's really -- it's agenda--
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the following agenda item.
MR.OCHS: lOG.
MR. CARNELL: Yes, thank you, lOG. And this is for the
award of stormwater improvements on Eustis Avenue. And Mr.
Ahmad is available if you have any specific questions about the
project.
If I could, I'll just go right to the E- Verify question. The facts are
different, but it's the same policy issue. Here we had 12 bidders, nine
of them submitted -- or eight of them submitted the required E- Verify
documentation with their bids, but unfortunately the two lowest
bidders did not. And in this case, they not only didn't submit it with
their bid documentation, but they also had not submitted it under
separate cover or by any other means.
So we have no -- we had no documentation gathered from them
at the time of bid opening. If you -- again, in the strict adherence to
the board policy, they would be nonresponsive.
What we'd like to do today is to have you consider each of these
three situations. We've made recommendations to you. In this case
we're adhering to the existing board policy and -- on the Eustis
Avenue project and recommending rejection of the two lowest bids
and going with the third lowest bidder, who is Southwest Utility, and
their price is about $18,000 higher than the low bid.
But I will tell you, on the Eustis Avenue project, if the board
wishes, we can obtain the -- we actually have asked the low bidder if
they can provide us the documentation for E- Verify compliance, and
they said that they can. And so if the board wishes, we can go back,
you can make a contingent award to the low bidder, and we can go
and ask the low bidder for that information, and we can move forward
from there and you can save $18,000.
In essence, the bottom line on all this -- and this is why I wanted
you to hear all three of these items together before you vote -- is that
going forward, we think the best of both worlds here would be if you
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give the purchasing department the latitude in instances where these
forms are omitted in the actual physical bid to go back after the bid
opening or after the proposal closing, and ask the
vendor/contractor/consultant in question for the documentation within
a reasonable time.
There's precedence for this. We do this frequently with
certificates of insurance, with copies of licenses, references, other
pieces of information. The common thread in all of this is that none of
these documents have any direct bearing on the competition. They
don't affect how the vendor or the contractor prices or makes their
offer or proposal to us.
And by doing this, we believe it will give you the latitude to be
able to award to vendors who are, in fact, compliant with your
E- Verify policy, who are, in fact, registered but simply omitted the
information at bid time. And we would bring the results to you, and
we'll disclose each time this happens, and we'll put it in writing in the
executive summary so that you can see it, I mean be aware of it.
And if somebody -- if somebody doesn't provide the
documentation to us, then we'll recommend a rejection of that vender
and we'll go to the next one and recommend accordingly.
So with that, Mr. Chairman, I -- obviously I'll answer any
questions from the board. But if you're ready for any motions, we can
make three motions for approval, and you can decide what you want
to do on each one of them individually here.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I think my light on -- was on --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: -- was the first question that was
CHAIRMAN COYLE: You want me to turn it off?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah, or you could leave it on.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Turn back on.
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Okay. Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Thank you. You know, I
listened to what you said, and I couldn't agree with you more. I mean,
to micromanage your department to the point that the lack of a
document or the document coming in a second envelope is not with
the intent of what we're trying to accomplish.
What we're looking for is a level playing field for local vendors
that requires them to hold to the laws of the United States of America,
especially when it comes to hiring illegal aliens. We're looking for the
lowest possible price that we can pass on to the taxpayers that we
represent, and it sounds like you're doing everything to get there.
I'd like to make a motion that, one motion, to approve all three
items, and also to have you come back with an action plan how you
can -- or maybe you might not need that. We might be able to cover it
right in the motion -- that we also empower you to be able to handle
these minor oversights that are dealing with records that are either not
sent in the same package or that people can get to you in a timely
fashion so that we can take advantage of the lowest bid and keep
everything flowing.
I'll tell you right now, I haven't done it now for what, ten years,
12 years, but I used to be in the system with the county to compete for
different parks and recs. events with tents, and the process then I
thought was involved. Today it's got to be horrendous.
And so any way we can make it that it will work easier for
everyone and still meet the intent of what we're trying to accomplish,
I'm 100 percent for it.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Coletta, if you don't
mind, if we approve all three items, the recommendations of the staff
for all three items, then you're losing an opportunity on lOG to go with
the lowest bidder.
MR.OCHS: Correct.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Oh.
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: And I'm wondering if we can -- and let
me just state a general principle here, and I think it will be consistent
with what Commissioner Coletta wants to do.
Our intent was that no bidder should get a competitive bidding
advantage by failing to deliver an incomplete package and then be
able to make up for it a few days later or a week later or whatever.
We were hoping that what you'd do is get a complete package and
evaluate the complete packages.
And I agree with you that at least the first two are incidental
issues. They actually submitted the documents to you. They just
came in a different envelope. The third one is somewhat different, but
I understand your point; if you can call them up on the telephone and
get the E- Verify information in a relatively short period of time,
there's no reason you shouldn't consider them. So I agree, as I think
Commissioner Coletta --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Then I'll amend my motion.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- Coletta does, too. And if I could just
say, let's go through it -- let's give you a general statement of our
guidance on this and then go through and have three separate motions
very quickly. And if I could try the general statement, which is
exactly what I said. If you can get the E- Verify information quickly
before the evaluation is completed on the bid packages, then you have
the authority to get it.
What I don't want to see happen is you complete the evaluation,
you know who the bidders are, and then you make a decision as to
who you go ask for E- Verify, okay? I don't want to see that. So you
understand where I'm going on the first general statement, okay.
And if we've got three nods from members of the commission on
that general guidance --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah, I didn't --I'm sorry. I
didn't follow the last part, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. All right. If Steve or his office
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can get the E- Verify and all other information together before the bid
evaluations are completed, then he should have the flexibility to go
out and ask for additional information, okay.
MR. CARNELL: Provided that it doesn't materially affect the
competition.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Affect the competition, that's right, and
-- otherwise he has to go with what he's got, okay. I'm sorry. Did I
clarify it or did I make it worse?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: No, you're doing quite well, but
what about the other things such as the license they already have that
they didn't file the copy of or some of the other ones they say they've
been treating as an incidental item and catching up with it at the time
of the bid?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: If it doesn't have an outcome on the bid
evaluation itself as far as the scoring is concerned, then I don't have a
problem with him going out and getting the additional information.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And these items don't count into
the score; is that correct?
MR. CARNELL: Correct.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay.
MR. CARNELL: And if I could, Mr. Chairman, say it, you want
us to -- the board wants us to solicit this information up front as part of
the submission, in other words, get it -- as much as we can up front
from the get-go and don't simply start gathering it after the fact from
the apparent winner, but get it from everybody up front. But in
instances where somebody omits it but they're otherwise responsive,
otherwise qualified, and they're in a position to potentially be the low
bidder or be the most qualified firm, that we can get that information
during that intervening period before we formulate the staff
recommendation.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It's critical to do it before you formulate
the staff recommendations. After that it gets a little dicey.
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MR. CARNELL: I understand.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Does anybody have a prob- --
Commissioner Hiller?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I would like to ask the county
attorney to opine on this issue.
MR. KLATZKOW: The only suggestion I would make to the
board is that we incorporate this as part of the purchasing policy so
that everybody out there who's bidding on things knows what the rules
of the game are. I think it would avoid dispute.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I presume that's what we would do. If
we gave him guidance, he's going to document it, right?
MR. CARNELL: Yes. It's already--
CHAIRMAN COYLE: And you may as well bring it back to us
in a consent agenda and let us see it.
MR. CARNELL: Yep, yeah. We intend -- we've got some
changes to the policy coming forth in January, and we'll make it as
part of that.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I would appreciate the opportunity
to vet this further with you, because this is something we've already
started working on. I've done a little more research on E- Verify and to
what extent it really protects us with respect to being compliant with
the federal guidelines, laws, if you will, and I'm not sure it really is
protecting us. I've spoken to the Sheriffs Department.
And one of the things I would like to do is have the opportunity
to meet with staff and the Sheriffs Department to determine where in
the contract we should provide for E- Verification and what other
security we should include in our standard contracts with respect to
hiring legal workers, and then at the same time, review the overall,
you know, procurement standards and to what extent we can delegate
our authority and what's ministerial.
MR. CARNELL: And just so you know, we're already in
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discussions with the Sheriffs Department about that.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Wonderful. Thank you so much.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Now let's go back to the first item
and --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Motion to approve 10E.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Motion to --
MR. MITCHELL: Sir, we do have two public speakers on these
items.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. We have two speakers. Who are
the two public speakers?
MR. MITCHELL: On 10F we have Mark Minor, and on 10E we
have Brian Penner.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: How about taking them
separate?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Let's -- we're going with 10E right now.
Do we have a speaker on 10E?
MR. MITCHELL: We do, sir, Brian Penner.
MR. PENNER: Waive.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Waive, okay.
MR. MINOR: I also waive. I'm Mark Minor. I waive mine as
well.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Then we'll go with the motion on
E, which is a --
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Can I --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I'm sorry. Go ahead, Commissioner
Hiller.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I just have one question on 10E.
Why is the bid so much lower than all the other bids? I mean, it's such
a material difference. You know, the other bids are, you know, 2.7
million, 2.6 million, 2.5 million, and this one is 1.8.
MR. DeLONY: For the record, Jim DeLony, Public Utilities
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administrator.
Ma'am, to be frank with you, the engineer's estimate for this job
was about $2 million. So where we're at with regard to the lowest
responsive bidder, we're really not that far oft: where 10 percent
would be about $100,000 to the engineer's estimate.
So really beyond that I can't speak to it in terms of the cost of the
services. I think we've got a good, tight spec there. We know we've
got some potential unforeseen site conditions with regard to some of
the pipe quantities as we go forward, because I've not been able to test
that pipe, but we have our unit price for that replacement, so it would
be a quantity change as opposed to a change in terms of the actual
change order.
But my view is, is that we did have the engineer of record for this
job look at this closely and review the bids and review the responses
of the bidders, and I feel comfortable that we've got a market-driven
price at the recommended amount.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: But a quantity change would affect
the total.
MR. DeLONY: Absolutely. And that would be unforeseen in
this case here. Until we pressurize that pipe, I don't know exactly how
much pipe has been destroyed.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: And we're assuming the liability
for that?
MR. DeLONY: No, we're not, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: The contractor is absorbing it in
the 1.8?
MR. DeLONY: Absolutely. In this -- in this particular case, all
costs associated with the restoration, whether it's this amount or any
other amount, our intent is to pursue full cost recovery from either the
constructor or the engineer of record or whomever it is that has __
wears that liability.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: So we won't be seeing a whole
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bunch of change orders?
MR. DeLONY: Don't really know. I can't say that. Because as I
said, there's 33,000 linear feet of pipe. This first phase of the job
affects about half of it. When that pipe failed, I was able to find some
of the breaks in the pipe. We replaced about 1,200 linear feet of pipe.
But again, of that 33 -- of this case -- give me help -- 15,000
linear feet that's in this scope, I have not pressure tested that entire
reach of pipe. So that's just one unforeseen site condition that I know
of that potentially I could have additional broken pipe. That would
cause a quantity increase in the amount of pipe we have to physically
rep lace.
So we've accommodated that in terms of the bid to where we
have a quantity price associated with linear replacement of pipe.
That's one area of unforeseen site condition that I am anticipating.
Hope we've got it, but I've got that covered as part of the risk analysis
on this particular contract.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: And the other three contractors
were not anticipating those unforeseen conditions in their higher bids?
MR. DeLONY: I can't speak to that. Yeah, I just cannot speak
to that. I mean, they gave us unit pricing on those tasks that we
outlined in the contract. Those prices were competitively driven by
the procurement process, and we got the resident -- requisite amount
bidded by each of them, and we awarded to the lowest possible price.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: If I can help here.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Go ahead.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: One thing that Mr. DeLony is
not telling you is this work was done just a year or two ago, and when
he's talking about a reimbursement and going after the contractor or
designer or the -- in the pipe, that's the person who put the pipe in, the
manufacturer of pipe and so on and so forth.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I understand. So you're going to
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recover and --
MR. DeLONY: Yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I understand.
MR. DeLONY: This particular project--
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I appreciate what you're saying.
MR. DeLONY: -- was under warranty when we had the failure.
We were still within the warranty phase.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: And three of these items are.
MR. DeLONY: Oh, in this particular -- I can't -- in the case of
the second item, which is the CEI, is going to help us in terms of
documenting and recording the recovery and the restoration.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Oh, I understand. Thank you very
much.
MR. DeLONY: But this would be -- again, I'll be back in front
of you again with a subsequent construction for the next 12 wells.
There's 23; 11 in the first phase, 12 in the second. And we're -- and
the reason we broke it up is to get the lessons learned so we can make
sure we can contain the cost, and that gives us a higher potential for a
full recovery when we have to go to a trier of fact, I'm sure, or at least
some type of a settlement, to do -- to accomplish the full cost recovery
that I promised you when I came to you back in October.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
MR.OCHS: Recommendation on 10E, sir?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: We got a motion and a second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah. We got a motion and second on
10E.
MR.OCHS: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
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COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Mr. Chair, I make a motion --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Passes unanimously.
Go ahead.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Mr. Chairman, I make a motion
that we award contract 10-5599 to Stantec Consulting.
MR. CARNELL: Sir -- oh, go ahead, Leo. You want me to __
MR.OCHS: Commissioner, we've got a revision in that
recommendation. As Steve mentioned, we've got to split this up into
two parts. We have to get you today to short -- approve the short
listing of the consultants, and then we'll come back in January with the
recommended contract.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Do you want to continue this?
MR. CARNELL: Just want to -- no. We want you to select
Stantec, recommend selection of Stantec, and direct us to bring the
contract back to you in January.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Recommend selection of
Stantec.
MR. CARNELL: Thank you.
MR. OCHS: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Thanks for the --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: And bring back the --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I have a question.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Is there a second to the motion
though? We've got a motion to do--
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'll second, I'll second.
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Motion by Commissioner
Henning to approve the selection of Stantec, and second by
Commissioner Fiala.
And now Commissioner Fiala has a question.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Stantec wasn't the CEI on the first
job that exploded?
MR. CARNELL: No, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay, thank you.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: No, but WilsonMiller was.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah. They're now one in the same
.
companIes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, they are?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: No, I was just -- I was kidding.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That's what he's kidding about.
All in favor, please signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It passes unanimously.
That brings us to lOG.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion
that we find that Gulf Coast Underground submit all the proper
documents as required by the policy and award the contract to Gulf
Coast Underground.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. And that is seconded by?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'll second it.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Fiala.
Any further discussion?
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(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It passes unanimously.
MR. CARNELL: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the
board.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you, Steve. Thanks for bringing
this all to our attention. Just don't do it again.
Item #10H
RECOMMENDATION TO DIRECT STAFF TO AMEND THE
COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW
ONE SANDWICH BOARD AT THE ENTRANCE DOOR OF A
BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT - APPROVED W/CHANGES
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, that takes us to Item 10H on your
agenda, which was formerly 16A8. This was moved at Commissioner
Coyle's request. It's a recommendation to direct staff to amend the
Collier County Land Development Code to allow one sandwich board
at the entrance door of a business establishment.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah. I just have a simple question.
MS. FLAGG: Yes, sir. Diane Flagg, for the record.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Diane, I just want you to assure me that
the staff really understands what they're doing when they're making
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this recommendation. Now, I understand Immokalee, I understand
Bayshore Drive where there's special events, but I want you to
visualize every strip mall in Collier County with a sandwich board
sitting in front of every business in that strip mall and where they have
a parking lot in front, that line and wall of sandwich boards will be
lined up along the streets or highway, and I want to ask you if that's
really what you want to do.
MS. FLAGG: Commissioner, what the request today is, is really
a two-part request. One is to request a stay on enforcement because
businesses such as this -- and there's multiple businesses throughout
our communities that are relying on this advertising that looks just like
that, that we would have to, under the current code, tell them they
have to remove that sign.
And what we're asking you to do is to allow us to stay the
enforcement on these -- because there are certain areas in Collier
County that do allow that signage -- and to tell us to take it through the
next Land Development Code cycle.
If at the point that it becomes a proliferation of signs that is
unwieldy or just doesn't seem to be working for the community, that
will be vetted through the LDC process.
But right now, our businesses are telling us that these signs help
them in this extremely difficult economic time, and it's -- we really __
you know, it's -- we haven't gotten complaints other than other
businesses saying, am I allowed to put that sign out there, and we have
to tell them, no, it's against --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: You're not going to get requests from all
the others until you make it legal. And when you stop enforcing it,
you're going to get requests from everybody. And if that's what you
think is appropriate, I'm not going to tell a company they can't do
something that they think is necessary for them to stay in business.
But I just want you to appreciate the potential ramifications of
this decision. And once you've given this right up to somebody, it's
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very, very difficult to take it away if it becomes an issue of clutter and
unsightliness.
. MS. FLAGG: We will vet this, again, through the LDC cycle
when it comes around. So this -- right now what we would be doing
today is staying the enforcement, and then allowing businesses to have
that little sign out front will be vetted through the LDC process.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Thank you, sir. If you look at
the picture on the wall, up above the door you'll see an open sign. It's
a neon open sign. Back about, what was it, eight years ago,
Commissioner Fiala -- were you here for that, Commissioner--
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yes. Oh, yes, I was here.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: It was one of the most
contentious issues I've ever seen, a simple open sign and how it was
going to bring the quality of life of Collier County to its knees.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: No.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And barber poles, too.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: No, that was barber poles. That was
barber poles that was going to cause a problem.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Right. And ever since then
none of us will dare go back to a barber. But keep in mind, what we're
looking at is another tool. Remember, what would be better, to have
this or to have them put some teenage kid out front on the side of the
road bouncing a sign up and down with a monkey suit on?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: They're going to do both.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Maybe so, but times are tough
out there. And I have no problem with it.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: One of the things we could do in a
provision like this is include a sunset provision, say, put it out there
for a year, let it sunset after a year. Ifwe like it and there are no
problems and there's no clutter and everyone benefits, then just renew
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it.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: There you go.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: We should do that with all our
Land Development Code amendments, by the way.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Some of the most unsightly things in any
city occurs by incremental changes. But nevertheless. Is there a
motion?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Motion to approve.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Motion to approve by Commissioner
Henning, second by Commissioner Coletta.
Any further discussion?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. When you're putting this
together, would you mention something about, you know, looking at it
every year?
MS. FLAGG: I can actually bring you back a report if it doesn't
make it through the LDC cycle within the year, absolutely.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Great, thank you.
MS. FLAGG: Sure.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
Aye.
So it passes 4-1.
Item #10J
RECOMMENDATION TO ACCEPT REPORTS AND RATIFY
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STAFF-APPROVED CHANGE ORDERS AND CHANGES TO
WORK ORDERS - APPROVED
MR.OCHS: Commissioners, that takes us to Item 10J. It was
previously 16E6 on your consent agenda, a recommendation to accept
reports and ratify staff-approved change orders and changes to work
orders.
This item was moved at Commissioner Henning's request.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah, real quick. If you look at
change order one, we're almost doubling it on there. The others,
there's a lot of them I really have a lot of concern. Number two,
number three, number four are continuing. I mean, it's an '07 contract,
it's an '07 contract, '07 contract.
And there is one here, Golden Gate Community Center field
lighting. It's an -- 2006 contract that we're extending to put the
lighting in to 2011. I could tell you, this is the community that has a --
they pay for all these out of their taxing, MS TU. They've been --
they've been wanting this forever. They've been -- where are our
lights? When is our lights going to get approved?
And here we are, we've got people unemployed; why aren't we
releasing that money and getting people to work? I mean, that's just
absolutely insane.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That's a good question. Does
anybody have the answer? Hello?
MS. ARNOLD: For the record, Michelle Arnold, Alternative
Transportation Modes director. Which particular change order are
you referring to?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Number one, it's Eustis Avenue,
I believe it is. Let me see. No, Price Street. Intersection
improvements out to u.s. 41. That's -- the original work order was
27,000. Now you're up to 52,000. That's doubling of a work order for
specific improvements, stormwater improvements. And I have a real
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concern about that.
MR. FEDER: I'd be happy -- for the record, Norman Feder,
transpor- -- Growth Management Division administrator, excuse me.
Basically what you have there is you had an in-house project that
was brought forward because of a safety concern. Eagle Creek
homeowners association, with a new Lowe's coming into effect there
at Price Street, the site distance, there was a problem. Staff went
quickly to try and do an improvement there. They used as-builts as
their indicator relative to where a water main was.
As they got into construction, they found that they were too close
to that water main. They had to do some stormwater improvement
and some shoring up of the water main. They had to stay within the
right-of-way there. They couldn't get into Price Street. So that did
increase the cost. Again, it was for a safety improvement and doing it
quickly because of the onset of Lowe's opening and what that would
do for site distance is why we got in that position.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Thank you, Mr. Feder.
MR. FEDER: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I mean, I appreciate that. And
those things do happen. I guess the concern I have on a lot of these,
these are old contracts to get a certain thing done, and they're being
continued and continued and continued.
And Commissioner Fiala's question was, does anybody have an
answer?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Especially with the lighting, which
could be a safety concern, why hasn't it been done up till now?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Well, it's not really a safety -- so
much a safety concern. It's just, they can't utilize that field at night,
and what they want to do -- that's where the bandshell is. And what
they want to do is have concerts out there. And it could be a safety
issue -- well, they just don't have concerts out there because there's no
lighting. And that bandshell's been out there for years.
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But can I just ask the county manager to take a look at these and
tell them to get 'er done?
MR. OCHS: Yes, sir. I'll take care of it.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Going on to the next one.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: What park was that? I'm trying to
find it.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Golden Gate Community
Center.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh.
MS. RAMSEY: It's number six, Commissioner. Marla Ramsey,
for the record.
There's -- I can't answer the reference to the 2006, but there is a
lead time to the poles that were picked between the community center
advisory committee and those involved with it and the manufacturing
of those poles, and I'm told that, by a communicator, that the project
will be done in January. So it's in the process, and very close to it, is
my understanding.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Get 'er done.
MR.OCHS: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: The -- change order number
four on the second change order, Mr. Perryman, you can help me on
out on this. Install-- I'm not sure what that word is.
MR.OCHS: Which item number, sir? I'm sorry.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: It's number four, which would
be the second series of change orders, I think. Mr. Perryman wrote __
I believe he did.
MR. PERRYMAN: For the record, Clint Perryman, project
manager for Coastal Zone Management Department. I believe you're
referring to the Bayview Phase I project?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yes, thank you.
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MR. PERRYMAN: Okay. I apologize for any of my scribble
scrabble here. In any case, it says, install pilings, replace the existing
boat ramp, and apply contract credits for the field changes.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Is this the same boat ramp that's
being torn up and widened?
MR. PERRYMAN: This is correct, the Bayview Park boat ramp,
that's correct.
The scope on that project, Commissioners, we are expanding this
boat ramp by increasing it to 37 lineal feet. The entire project is
broken into three phases. This particular phase is one, and we're
replacing the entire seawall, as I mentioned, expanding the boat ramp
and, of course, we're installing a fixed dock and a floating dock. This
is at Bayview Park.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Right.
MR. PERRYMAN: We had credits applied to this contract when
we started the demolition in the excavation process, we realized that
all of our tiebacks were good, and we realized a credit on the contract
by $11,000. And in the course of expanding the existing boat ramp, it
was determined that some of the exposed rebar was corrosive, and so
we made a design decision through the engineers and the contractors
to simply replace the boat ramp as opposed to simply expanding __
you know, building the new one onto the existing one.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: You've answered my question.
Thank you.
MR. PERRYMAN: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Just get 'er open, will you?
MR. PERRYMAN: Yes, sir; yes, sir, Commissioner, indeed.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: And I have no further questions.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Then let's go with -- let's try to
get Chris Curry and Penny out of here.
MR.OCHS: Commissioner, we don't have a motion yet.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah, so--
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: I thought it was just get 'er done.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah. I make a motion to
approve --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Second.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: -- the change orders.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Motion to approve by Commissioner
Henning, second by Commissioner Coletta.
Any further discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: All in favor, please signify by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
COMMISSIONER HENNING: We only have one more --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It passes unanimously.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: -- on the -- number 10. It won't
take but a minute.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
Item #10K
RECOMMENDATION TO AWARD BID #10-5581-MOTOR
OILS, LUBRICANTS, AND FLUIDS TO COMBS OIL COMPANY
AS PRIMARY VENDOR AND EVANS OIL COMPANY, LLC,
FLORIDA DETROIT DIESEL-ALLISON INC., AND P ALMDALE
OIL COMPANY, INC. AS SECONDARY VENDORS WITH
TOTAL EXPENDITURES ESTIMATED AT $80,000 ANNUALLY
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- APPROVED W/CHANGES
MR.OCHS: Sir, that's Item 10K. It was previously 16E8 on
your agenda. It's a recommendation to ratify Items 6, 9, and 10 from
the November administrative change order report.
Mr. Carnell can cover those, sir.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah. I appreciate Mr.
McAlpin providing the information of the breakdown, but my real
question was, okay, what is the responsibility of the engineer and
contractor? And I think that's -- what the guidance by the chairman
was, is get those answered by -- continue this and get those answers to
the board.
And I understand that you -- now I understand you don't want to
talk about it on the record?
MR. CARNELL: Well, just for everybody's edification, we do
have concerns that we believe the engineer is responsible for some
improper failed performance here, and we are in discussion right now
with the engineer about that and pursuing recovery and will be
updating the board subsequently.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Could somebody just tell me at
a future date, not put it in writing possibly?
MR. CARNELL: Sure, sure, absolutely.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: The next thing is, I just don't
agree to allow the purchasing staff to proceed with amending
contracts, remove absolute requirements -- that's the part I don't like --
removing absolute requirements to attain multiple quotes for every job
for 50,000 contract -- $50,000 contract. Every -- these handyman
contracts, every job is different, and I want to make sure the taxpayers
are getting the best value. I know it doesn't seem like a lot for
$50,000, but to most it is. So I mean, I just can't approve the items the
for handyman services nine and ten.
So I'll make a motion to approve the old Item 16E except for
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Item 9 and 10.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Motion to approve--
MR. CARNELL: I need to just clarify something, I'm sorry. The
board has already approved amending two of the four contracts. This
is the remaining two. So you're going to have an inconsistency if you
don't approve it for two but approved it for the other two.
And just so everybody's clear, these contracts were the product of
formal competition. We had very robust competition. Had 15 bids,
and we awarded to the top five, the board awarded to the top five. The
bulk, the majority of the projects are less than $3,000 in our
experience so far. This is a handyman. This is a fix-it guy, if you will,
very small maintenance-type activity.
And so what we're saying to the board is, we've already had
formal competition, and we don't believe that, as a rule of thumb, that
we need, in every absolute case, to get price quotes, particularly for
jobs that aren't even $3,000, which a majority of them have been,
when we're using properly vetted competed contracts.
And that is the current policy. The board's policy is that
purchases of $3,000 or less do not require competition, but this --
we've already bid it. You've had competition among the marketplace
to get your top five firms in terms of price. And so when the staff
goes and picks somebody, they're picking somebody at the top end of
the scale in terms of price, best price.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: And I agree with contracts
below 50,000. But this says, contracts up to 50,000.
MR. CARNELL: Yes, sir, yes, sir, but we've been through a
process for -- that applies to purchases over $50,000. We've had the
maximum competitive process to establish the contracts. And that's
another good point. No orders -- if we had an order that was more
than 3,000 -- the limit is 50-. If it's more than 50-, we're going to go to
separate bid, open bid.
MR.OCHS: That's consistent with the current policy.
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MR. CARNELL: That is the current policy, correct.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: If it's the current policy, then
why is this on the agenda? It isn't the --
MR. CARNELL: Because we had, sir -- if I could. We had a
mix-up. The bidding documents reflected the policy. The bidding
documents said that we would award to the winning bidders, and it did
not anticipate or contemplate getting quotes subsequently every time
we did a job.
When we did the contract, we inadvertently put a statement in
there saying that we may obtain quotes. And the way it's read, it
could be interpreted to mean you must.
And rather than getting put in a situation where we were
obligated to get quotes, what we're actually -- actually what -- and if
this helps any, sir, we're -- we will get quotes for larger jobs that -- and
again, larger means, 3- to 50-, somewhere in there.
Ifwe think it's going to be well over $3,000, we may get quotes,
but for the smaller jobs, we're saying we don't need to do that.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. I mean, I agree with that,
but --
MR. CARNELL: How about -- let me make it really clear for
you. This will nail it for you. It's late in the day. If it's over -- if we
get a quote back from one contractor and it's more than $3,000, we'll
get two more --
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay.
MR. CARNELL: -- on the contract. Will that work for you, sir?
And that would be totally consistent with the policy at this point.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: That's what I'm looking for.
MR. CARNELL: All right. Then we'll take care of it. Let's just
-- we'll just make it --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Then you're going to withdraw your
motion and --
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I'm going to amend it, but you
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have some more discussion.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, I'd rather get a motion that we can
discuss.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I'm going to make a motion to
approve the old Item 16E8 and -- with the clarification from our
purchasing director to include that guidance.
MR. CARNELL: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Motion to approve with--
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- guidance that has been provided and is
on the record, second by Commissioner Coletta.
Commissioner Hiller?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I'd like Crystal Kinzel from the
Financial Department to comment.
MS. KINZEL: Thanks, Commissioner. And I think what you
were asking me to clarify, we are working with county staff on the
change orders, and we did have a meeting with administration and
purchasing. And part of the issue that we're having at the Clerk's
Office is regarding the delegation of the ministerial versus the
discretionary policy.
On the contract specifically, this item, we had a concern -- and I
realize and understand that two might have gone through previously,
and these two came to our attention, but the five contractors that were
bid are not at the same rates; is that correct, Steve?
So where we have a concern is that even though the board
approved these five vendors, they are all at different rates. So each
job that would be let may be at a different rate and, again, then staff
would determine what vender is used.
That doesn't give us the clear guidance that the board has
approved those amounts as specific to those projects. And, again,
we're working through staff to clarify that and tried to come up with a
compromise to ensure that we have board intent clearly stated on each
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of the projects and board approval as well as compliance with your
policies.
And we're in the process of working. So Commissioner Hiller
just asked me to clarify where we were in that process, and we've got
some work to do. But we are having some issues with that and some
concerns about that authority.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Well, I think what -- the
clarification by Mr. Carnell is he will obtain bids, those two extra bids,
over 3,000. Some of those ministerial issues we need to set price
points, and I think that's a very good place to start, $3,000.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. All in favor, please signify by
.
saYIng aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. It is approved unanimously.
Item #11
PUBLIC COMMENTS ON GENERAL TOPICS
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, that takes you to Item lion your
agenda, public comments on general topics.
MR. MITCHELL: Sir, we have no public comments.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
Item #14A
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RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COLLIER COUNTY BOARD OF
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS (BCC) ACTING AS THE
COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY (CRA) TO
AUTHORIZE THE VREATION OF A GRANT FUNDED FULL
TIME EMPLOYEE (FTE) POSITION (IMMOKAEE BUSINESS
DEVELOPMENT CENTER (IBDC) FOR FISCAL YEAR 2011
AND HIRE A QUALIFIED APPLICANT - APPROVED
MR.OCHS: That moves you to Item 14A on your agenda, sir.
It's a recommendation for the Collier County Board of County
Commissioners acting as the CRA to authorize the creation of a
grant-funded full-time employed position for fiscal year 2011 for the
Immokalee Business Development Center.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. I will turn the gavel over to the
chairman of the Redevelopment Agency, and she will conduct the
meeting for these items.
MS. PHILLIPI: Good evening, Commissioners. My name is
Penny Phillipi. I'm the executive director for the Immokalee CRA.
And this is basically some cleanup that we're doing.
As you know, you approved --
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Motion to approve.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Second.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: I have a motion to approve and a second.
Any discussion?
MR. MITCHELL: We have a public speaker.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Okay.
MR. MITCHELL: Marvin Courtright.
MR. COURTRIGHT: My name is Marvin Courtright. I'm a
resident of Collier County and a small businessperson in Immokalee.
And I just have some questions, please.
The individual that you will be hiring, will he be processed
through human resources?
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MS. PHILLIPI: Absolutely.
MR. COURTRIGHT: He will be, okay.
Does it require posting for the job?
MS. PHILLIP I : It has been -- it has been posted, advertised, and
we have 50 applications currently.
MR. COURTRIGHT: It's already been posted, okay.
MS. PHILLIP I : Yes, sir.
MR. COURTRIGHT: Does the job descrip- -- does he have a
job description?
MS. PHILLIPI: Yes, sir. It's attached to this item.
MR. COURTRIGHT: It's attached to the item.
May I ask this: Is the individual-- well, where will the
individual be housed?
MS. PHILLIPI: It will be housed at the Immokalee Airport per
the local agreement between the Airport Authority and the CRA
board.
MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you. That's in consideration of a
previous arrangement --
MS. PHILLIPI: That is correct.
MR. COURTRIGHT: -- between you and the county to--
MS. PHILLIP I : Between the CRA and the Airport Authority,
that is correct.
MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay. And the job description itself, is it
specifically only addressing aviation and airport, or does it have other
responsibilities?
MS. PHILLIPI: No, sir, it's a business development center that
will act as a business incubator for the mentoring and developing new
businesses regardless, exactly.
MR. COURTRIGHT: On the airport?
MS. PHILLIPI: Exactly.
MR. COURTRIGHT: On the airport?
MS. PHILLIPI: That is correct.
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MR. COURTRIGHT: So that's basically what he's being hired
for, and that's his job description --
MS. PHILLIPI: He or she, he or she.
MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay, pardon me. Whoever, okay.
The reason I ask this is because the Airport Authority is seriously
under attack. The airport in Immokalee is seriously under attack by
the CRA.
And I want to point out one thing. There are 14 businesses
paying money today to the county to have the privilege of being on
the Immokalee Airport. There are 45 aircraft/hangar in Immokalee
paying hangar rent.
Customs building is there, pays good money. Florida National
Guard is coming to the Immokalee Airport. Hopefully they'll be a --
there will be an aviation museum at the airport. The Sheriffs Office is
at the airport. All of these make money, yet as of today, we're being
evicted from our hangars, we're being -- everything is being changed,
and it's a direct result of the CRA and our new executive director.
And I just -- I want to go on record with that position. Thank you.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Thank you. Whoops, I'm sorry.
You're supposed to say that.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Oh, yes. Thank you.
Do you have any comments to make on that, Penny?
MS. PHILLIPI: No, ma'am.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: We have a motion on the floor.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Second.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: And a second.
Any further comments?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FIALA: No more speakers?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FIALA: All in favor, signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
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CHAIRMAN FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: (Absent.)
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Opposed, like sign?
(N 0 response.)
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Thank you. That passes 4-1 (sic).
We have another one for the CRA?
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, 14 B is a recommendation to --
COMMISSIONER COYLE: I'm sorry. Didn't it pass
unanimously with the commissioners present?
CHAIRMAN FIALA: But there's one missing.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: But it didn't mean he voted no. It
just passed 4-0.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Oh, did I say --
COMMISSIONER COYLE: 4-1.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Oh, I'm sorry. It was 4-0.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: That implies there was a negative.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Yeah. I'm sorry. Thank you.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: That's all right. It's getting late.
That's okay.
You have some more things to do.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: I do?
Item #14B
RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE A PARTNERSHIP
BETWEEN COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENDY AND
THE IMMOKALEE HOUSING COLLABORATIVE (COLLIER
COUNTY HOUSING AUTHORITY, EMPOWERMENT
ALLIANCE OF SOUTHWEST FLORIDA, IMMOKALEE
HOUSING AND FAMILY SERVICES & I HOPE) TO UPDATE
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THE 2004 IMMOKALEE HOUSING CONDITION INVENTORY
(TO INCLUDE MOBILE HOMES); AUTHORIZE EXPENDITURE
OF $22,000 FROM FUND 186 TO PAY ruST OVER 50% OF THE
TOTAL COSTS OF THE PROJECT, AND AUTHORIZE ANY
NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENTS - APPROVED
MR.OCHS: Yes, ma'am. Madam Chairman, 14B is a
recommendation to approve a partnership between the Community
Redevelopment Agency and the Immokalee Housing Collaborative to
update the 2004 Immokalee Housing Condition Inventory, authorize
expenditures of $22,000 for Fund 186 to pay just over 50 percent of
the total cost of the project, and authorize any necessary budget
amendments.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Motion to approve.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Second.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: All in favor, signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Opposed, like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Eloquent, just eloquent.
MS. PHILLIPI: Thank you. Thank you very much.
MR. OCHS: That would close out your CRA business.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Now you've got one more.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Close--
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Oh, that's right.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: No, that's you.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: And now I'll close the CRA meeting.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you. And the Board of County
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Commissioners is back in session.
Mr. Curry?
Item #14C
RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE PRICE STRUCTURE
FOR THE IMMOKALEE AIRPORT PROPOSED BY THE
AIRPORT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR PURSUANT TO THE
AUTHORITY DELEGATED IN ORDINANCE 10-10 AND THE
AIRPORT ADMINISTRATIVE CODE AND APPLY SAID
STRUCTURE TO CROSS COUNTRY SOARING - APPROVED
MR.OCHS: Yes, sir. 14C, sir, is a recommendation to approve
the price structure for the Immokalee Airport proposed by the airport
executive director pursuant to the authority delegated in ordinance
10-10 in the Airport Administrative Code and apply said structure to
Cross-Country Soaring.
Mr. Curry will present.
MR. CURRY: Good evening, Commissioners.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Good evening.
MR. CURRY: I just want to share a little background on this
issue. When I arrived at the airport, or was hired in July, one of the
tasks that was given to me by the Board of County Commissioners
was to try and make the airport as self-sustainable as possible.
This view is consistent with FAA grant assurance number 24.
The Collier County airports are currently subsidized by the county
taxpayers.
I appeared before the board last month by way of public petition.
The issue involved the use of the Immokalee Airport by Cross
Country Soaring, a for-profit business based in Minnesota.
Let me say that as far as the airport rates and charges, a
rates-and-charges structure for the airport has not been approved since
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2002. Generally your rates-and-charges structure would cover all the
different entities that would use the airport, and the structure would be
present and it would be in place. That's not the case for the airports at
this particular time.
The gentleman that owns the Cross Country Soaring operation is
Mr. Ingraham. During my conversations with Mr. Ingraham, we
discussed 15 percent of gross receipts which is consistent with
percentages currently used by rental car agencies at the airport.
I have amended that charge structure to 10 percent in order to
better accommodate his business entity.
Let me give you some sheer numbers. Mr. Ingraham has
requested to use the airport for three months. Ifhe used the airport
from January through March, he would garner about $18,600 in
revenue. These are the numbers that he presented to the airport. The
airport would receive $200 for commercial operating fee and $60 per
month for tie-down, for a total of $380 for three months' use of the
airport. This averages about $155 a month.
Under the 10 percent percentage rate, based on his gross revenue,
the airport would earn the $200 for the operating fee, $60 per month
for the tie-down of the glider, and an additional $1,860 for a total of
$2,240.
The administrative code that you currently have in place allows
the executive director to set rates and policies that do not exceed 365
days. If the structure is more than a year, then I should bring the
rates-and-charges structure back to the Airport Authority; therefore,
based on the item that's presented before you, I'm not sure if it is the
appropriate means for the board to act on this at all because it is
already authorizing the Administrative Code for the Executive
Director to set the rates and charges consistent with market value
rates.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. You finished, Chris?
MR. CURRY : Yes, I am. Thank you.
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Who was first, Commissioner
Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah. Jeff, I need some help
with this one, because I did go over this with Mr. Murray, and he's not
only spot on, but he's back here to assist the Airport Authority or the
Board of Commissioners on an issue that had a public petition.
If you look at Page 4 of 17, that policy was adopted by the
Airport Authority, okay, and that policy states what Mr. Curry said;
he's supposed to set the rates for short-term contracts such as this one.
And if you go to the Ordinance, Page 14 of 27, Section 7,
non-interference, consistent with Ordinance 93-72, which is the old
County Manager's Ordinance, and Ordinance 96-40, as amended,
Collier County Personal Ordinance, members of the Airport Authority
may communicate with employees, officers, agents, under the
direction, supervisor of the director, and it goes on and on.
The call's about the county manager's ordinance, which we know
what the punishment is if it's violation (sic). I don't think we have any
business, because of a public petition, to deny or adopt the
recommendations, because we gave that -- Airport Authority gave that
to the Airport Director.
And until the Airport Authority amends policies, I don't want
anything to do with this item personally, and let the Airport Director
do its job.
MR. KLATZKOW: Yeah. I don't have an issue with that
approach at all.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah.
MR. KLATZKOW: Having said that, I don't have an issue with
the board ultimately setting all fees throughout the county . We're not
doing that, apparently, at this point in time. But you, as the Airport
Authority, could say, we want you to come back and we want to
review these, and then set those fees.
As we stand right now, I agree with you.
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COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah. Mr. Curry did say that,
he wants to bring them back --
MR. KLATZKOW: Yes.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: -- those fees, because they
haven't been updated. So what do we do on an item if we don't want
to take action on it?
MR. KLATZKOW: You don't take action.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Just don't do anything?
MR. KLATZKOW: Yep.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. That's always good with
me. When the government doesn't do anything, it's not a bad thing.
MR. KLATZKOW: It's very rare, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioners Hiller?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: No comment.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah. It's not a question of
government doing nothing. You do nothing when there's a reason to
do nothing. In this case, while I agree with Chris as far as bringing
this airport into the realms of 20 1 0, I also recognize the reason that
you're here today is because of the fact that there is some
disagreement within the airport advisory group. That group is a
voluntary group of people whose opinion we need to hear on a regular
basis. And also too, the citizenry out there when they have a problem
with something.
Now, the rates have not been established yet. Like you said, you
have to come up with a whole array of rates. They've never been
approved by the authority since two thousand and --
MR. CURRY: 2002.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: 2002, eight years ago. That's a
long time for this thing to sit in limbo. It's going to have to be coming
back. Meanwhile, there's going to be that human element out there.
And we represent humans. We don't represent a government entity
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that's out in the world and we just say, okay, that's it. Chris has final
say on this and no one can argue with it.
We're here today to be able to hear from the people that have
some objections to this. That's the whole reason why we're going
through it. They've been -- it was supposed to be four, and I think
there's three left now. I believe it's three. And that's the whole reason
why we're here at this moment in time.
Let's hear them and then give guidance on this thing and
represent the people that are looking for the representation that they
need.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Do we have registered speakers?
MR. MITCHELL: Yes, sir. We have three registered speakers.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Let's hear the registered speakers.
MR. COURTRIGHT: It's Marvin Courtright.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: We've already heard him.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: No, we've got to hear him again.
MR. COURTRIGHT: This is another subject.
MR. MITCHELL: And he'll be followed by Jim Murray.
MR. COURTRIGHT: Again, Marvin Courtright. And
Commissioner Coletta -- there you are. Thank you for your comment
and remembering that we --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: You're done.
MR. MITCHELL: You're finished, sorry.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Your time has expired.
MR. COURTRIGHT: And I want to make sure that you
understand that Ms. Phillipi has presented one of the greatest
documents that you could ever ask for in regard to the CRA, and she
accomplished it on her own with the help of the local community.
Now back to the subject at hand. We as a community -- and I
mentioned how many businesses there are there. And the problem for
our new executive director is how to come into a brand new job in a
community that is so close knit and has been on that airport for years
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and who have 45 airplanes in hangars and have businesses and
thousands of dollars invested and arbitrarily establish a rapport and
understand what is going on at that airport.
He's exactly right, and you all are. He's -- his mandate is to
direct that airport. Unfortunately, he's been handed a second mandate
by the county, make money, make money, because you're all hurting.
We all are.
I got news for you. Airports never make money. Sure, we've got
all kinds of grant money, but we have to pay part of that grant money
back. And if you reviewed it and looked back over the years, we've
had seven executive directors since the formation of the Collier
County Airport Authority, seven of them. How can there be any
continuity in the management of an airport under those conditions?
Again, we had a great Airport Advisory Board, a great airport
board. We -- cut us off right now. I used to be on the Airport
Authority. I was on it when it was formed. I sat right up there with
you folks. Now we mayor may -- we didn't, but -- well, let me turn
this part of it over to the next speaker.
MR. MITCHELL: The next speaker Jim Murray, and he'll be
followed by Mark Schuteman (sic) -- Schumann.
MR. MURRAY: Good evening, Commissioners. Welcome,
Commissioner Hiller. Jim Murray of Airport Authority Advisory
Board speaking for the board.
Chris Curry's jumped into a literal hornets nest here. And
normally when he makes a presentation, he is going to be speaking for
himself as the Executive Director and for the Advisory Board. On this
particular issue -- and I'm only addressing Cross Country Soaring --
there's a difference of opinion.
The basic feeling is, and the board was -- the Advisory Board
was unanimous on it, and I promised I'd come here and express it to
them -- is that an operation like Cross Country Soaring produces very
little revenue for the airport. There'll be some tie-down fees, few
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people buy -- fly in and buy gas, they buy a few cans of sodas and a
couple of candy bars.
But if they train 70 glider pilots during the course of this -- 50 to
70 during the course of this summer, each one comes in, very often
brings his family, will be staying in town for, very often, a week,
they'll be in -- generally in hotels in Collier County, be having their
meals there, and that is -- that is the sole reason why we believe that
an operation like Cross Country Soaring will be of great benefit to the
airport by introducing the airport to people from around the country.
We understand that as things stand, Chris has total authority and
responsibility to set these prices. And generally, we are not going to
disagree with it. In this particular case, we believe, the board believes,
that Cross Country Soaring should be able to operate without the
additional fees. They will not be costing the county anything.
Thank you very much.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Could I ask a question?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Go ahead, Commissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I think I would feel a little bit bad if
I had a glider business and I had to pay but somebody else didn't, or if
I had any of the other businesses on the airport but we just gave one
company the privilege of not having to pay the fees --
MR. MURRAY: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- but everybody else would have to.
MR. MURRAY: Well, I think the other people who, through the
operations on the airport, including the glider operations, are based on
the airport, they pay hangar rent, they buy gas. There are no other
particular fees they pay.
The one that Chris mentioned, which is true, is the rental car
operations, which the administration has now worked a deal with the
Immokalee Airport as well as Marco where we have it, where they
will be paying a commission fee, and this is not consistent with that;
however, it is consistent with the other airport and airplane-based
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operations.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: So the Airport Authority actually
feels it's okay in one instance to give this privilege, but in no other
instance at any of the other airports?
MR. MURRAY: I don't think we've had anything -- in my time
on the advisory board, I don't think we've had another situation like
this come up that I can recall. And it's -- as I say, this is strictly the
advisory board's opinion on this one issue. It doesn't involve any of
the other things that are going on in Immokalee or any of the rest of it.
We feel that it's of benefit to the county and eventually to the
airport. And as they say, that was the advisory board's opinion, and I
told them that I would bring that to here. That is nothing to do with
my regard for Chris or his professional performance. We're good
friends. We get along fine. Just a difference of opinion in that one
instance.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: We have another speaker?
MR. MITCHELL: Yes, sir. Mike Schumann.
MR. SCHUMANN: Yes. Commissioners, I'm Mike Schumann.
I'm a glider pilot, and I'm also a Collier County taxpayer. I'd like to
start off by clarifying one thing. We're not asking for any special
favors for Cross Country Soaring. What we're asking for is that Cross
Country Soaring is treated the same as every other entity in Collier
County that's an aircraft-related entity.
Right now at Immokalee Airport for many, many years, there is a
commercial glider operation called High Country Soaring, and they
pay tie-down fees and buy fuel there and whatever. They're not being
charged any extra charge on their gross revenues or anything else.
Cross Country Soaring is the identical operation to High Country
Soaring. They provide flight training, they provide glider rides, and
all we're asking is that their charges be identical to what is currently
being charged High Country Soaring, which is for the services that
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they use, tie-downs and whatever.
Now, as a Collier County taxpayer, I totally agree with the goal
that we should try to get our airports to become self-sufficient, okay.
The reality of the situation is that Cross Country Soaring coming in
here for the season doesn't cost the airport a dime, okay. There's no
people support required, there's no expenditure on the part of the
airport required. This is all incremental revenue.
They cannot come in and make this business fly if they're being
subjected to a 15 percent or a 10 percent fee. So what's going to
happen is they're not going to be here this season, and the actual
revenue to the airport is going to be lower because they're not going to
be paying tie-down fees and a use fee that they did last year.
I understand it's minor -- you know, we're talking a couple
hundred dollars. It's not a lot of money, but it's still going to be less
revenue than we have otherwise.
And the reality is, last year we had 25 glider pilots from around
the world come into Immokalee, okay, that spent money in the
community. Some of them were talking about, geez, I should really
think about retiring here. I mean, there're so many secondary effects
to having this kind of operation out there, and we're just throwing that
out with the bathwater.
And to Mr. Henning's comment, you should not be reviewing
these kind of issues at your meeting. The fundamental problem here is
that we don't have a price list, you know, that basically you can look
at like the Naples Airport does where all the fees are laid out and
everybody just goes by a list. That's all-- that's what we really need.
And I would encourage you to make sure that that happens.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Let me say something here. You
know what's happening here? Same thing that happened to us, the
Board of County Commissioners, in 2001 after an entire decade of not
updating our impact fees we decided to increase the impact fees, and
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you would have thought that everybody in the county was going to go
broke. And there was a lot of screaming, a lot of anger, and they
finally got over it.
The point is, if you've been getting something free, any charge is
going to upset you. Well, you know, I don't think people should get
free things from the airport, and until we establish a method of
operation at the airport that is professional and clear, like the Naples
Airport where they have a schedule of charges -- which Chris is trying
to institute, right?
MR. CURRY: Yes. I'll bring all the new charges to you in
January.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah. And that's one of the things that
has been lacking here. Naples Airport (sic) functions more like a
flying club for the benefit of its members than it has functions like an
airport for Collier County and a place where we want to establish a
professional reputation and business operations.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Naples Airport?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I'm sorry, Immokalee Airport, Marco
Airport, Everglades Airport, all of those. But what I think we need to
do is to let Chris understand that we support him in this role. He's a
knowledgeable guy. He understands what needs to be done. He has,
so far, shown the courage of his convictions to implement guidelines
and professional procedures at the airport and to begin running it like
an airport, not like a club.
And I can't tell you that we're going to be wildly successful and
we're going to make a lot of money off that, but the one thing we need
is a mindset change in our airports, and Chris is providing that
transition for us, and I think it's a good thing.
And until I see otherwise, I'm going to put my confidence in
Chris to make those decisions. And I would just like for us to let him
know that he has our backing and support.
And with that, Commissioner Coletta, you were next.
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COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Chris, I appreciate you going
through this. It's -- your advisory board is absolutely important as can
be to you, and I know you realize that. And that's why occasionally
you're going to have these things that are going to come to us even
though you have this authority.
Just a couple quick questions to clarify, because we want to make
sure the playing field is level within the airport. The other glider
operation that's there on a regular basis, are they going to be part of
this new price structure that you're coming up with?
MR. CURRY : Well, a lot of the complaints has been that the
operation currently at Immokalee is the same as the Minnesota-based
glider operation. I beg to differ. The current glider operation, they do
a series of things that's different than Cross Country Soaring. They
provide aircraft charter, aircraft maintenance, glider tow, glider
instruction, and they are a base tenant on the airport. They've been
there for seven years. They contribute about $13,000 a year to the
Immokalee Airport.
So they do not have to be treated the same because I think their
business entity offers a lot more on a consistent basis to the airport;
therefore, their structure does not have to be the same.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. So when you make up
this menu of prices, it's going to have some sort of explanation in it
how everything fits together so there's some predictability?
MR. CURRY: It will. I think the line item is under transient
airport use, 10 percent.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. Well, Chris, I agree with
Commissioner Coyle, you're doing a great job. There's going to be
some pain in making this adjustment as we go forward. The old way
of doing things where the control of the airport was basically in the
hands of the people that were using it has changed some. It doesn't
mean we're not going to listen to the advisory board, we're not going
to -- we're always going to listen to the tenants.
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And I know you're going to keep your ears open and your mind
open to anyone that comes forward in the future. And I make a
motion to approve this.
MR. CURRY: Let me just add one thing, Commissioners. You
know, I have the utmost respect for Mr. Murray. I seek advice from
him on a lot of different issues, so does the rest of the advisory board.
And, you know, we said that the majority of times we're going to
agree on most of the issues, and sometimes -- sometimes we won't.
An allegation was made previously that I have evicted someone.
I've never evicted anyone from the airport as of yet. The issue that the
airport has is that because we have received the federal grant money
and in accordance with the administrative code, I'm supposed to set
policies consistent with fair-market value.
And if we're not setting our rates and charges consistent with
fair-market value, not only am I in violation of the administrative
code, I'm in violation of the FAA grant assurances that we have.
So what you see happening with some of the price increases is
that they are so outdated, some tenants on the airport are paying 60 or
70 percent less than fair-market value. So what I'm trying to do is
give those tenants the benefit of the doubt, not raise them 70 percent,
but clearly put us on a path where we're trying to approach fair-market
value prices, and that's consistent with our administrative code and
FAA grant assurance.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Appreciate it.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: We have a motion by Commissioner
Coletta for approval -- well, I think we generally agreed that you have
the authority to set these.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Right.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Thought of it as an agreement.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Let's have a motion to affirm our support
of your decision to establish some uniformity of charges at the
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airports.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Second.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And I'll second your motion
then.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well--
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, Commissioner Henning
already did.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. I don't know. You just made my
motion, Commissioner Henning seconded the motion. And so all in --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: It's getting confusing.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller, go ahead. Do you
have anything, or is that left on from before?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: No. I just wanted to make one
comment and that is the fact that, Chris, I do understand that you are
bottom-line driven and you have to be and that we have to look at the
cost component. So at some future time I would ask that this board be
given the opportunity to review an analysis of your costs, particularly
labor costs, which are contributing heavily against your bottom line.
MR. CURRY: Yes, ma'am.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: We'll have that opportunity in just a few
months when we start getting the budget pulled together.
MR. CURRY: Yes.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Right?
Good. Now, we have a motion to affirm our support of Chris in
his efforts to establish a standard pricing model for the airports in
Collier County.
All in favor, please signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: Any opposed, by like sign?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COYLE: It's approved unanimously.
MR. CURRY: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Thank you, Chris.
Item #15
STAFF AND COMMISSION GENERAL COMMUNICATIONS
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That brings us to general
communications. Do you have anything, County Manager.
MR.OCHS: Yes.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Say no.
MR. OCHS: I do have one item, and --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That's the wrong answer.
MR.OCHS: Well, this one has to do with the City of Naples, so
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That is definitely the wrong answer.
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, I received an email from City
Manager Bill Moss on December 8th of this month asking, on behalf
of his council, for consideration of a j oint workshop between the city
and the board early in 2000 (sic) for the specific purpose of discussing
parks and recreation and the cost of parks and recreation in the city
and the county. And you've dealt with this before. Apparently they
want to -- they want to talk again about it.
So I told the city manager that I would bring this to the board. So
COMMISSIONER HENNING: What else you got?
MR. OCHS: That's all I have.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: What -- what's the time frame again?
MR.OCHS: Well, they were hoping to have a workshop with
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our board sometime in January or February, sometime before you and
the city council set your budget guidance for the coming fiscal year.
Just to remind the board, you have a current interlocal agreement
with the city where you provide a million dollars a year to the city to
help them support not only the beach parking, but also their parks and
recreation system.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yep. Okay. Can we find, say, a
Wednesday immediately following one of our board meetings and
spend some time talking with them? I mean, I think out of courtesy
we should agree to meet and talk if they have anything.
But let- -- why don't we ask for agenda items.
MR. OCHS : Well, the mayor -- I did speak to the mayor briefly
about this, sir, and he said to give the board assurances that the only --
you know, they didn't want to get into a long list of items, unless you
wanted to; they could limit this to a couple of hours and just that item,
unless -- unless the commission wanted to get into a --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Just that one item, the funding for
recreational facilities? That's all that we want to put on the agenda; is
that it?
MR.OCHS: Well, that's all the mayor was interested in speaking
about. Ifwe want to do a broader agenda, I could certainly put
something together.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, I think we need to give our
commissioners an opportunity to suggest any topics they'd like to talk
about.
MR. OCHS: Sure.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Do you want to -- why don't we ask the
commissioners to give to you any topics which they would like to see
discussed there, and we'll pick a -- pick a Wednesday. Since we
generally leave Wednesday mornings open, maybe we can pick a
Wednesday morning to meet with the city council.
MR. MITCHELL: Sir, the 26th of January, which is the day
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after the board meeting. The early meeting in January you've already
spec'ed that time out with the --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah.
MR. MITCHELL: -- Immokalee.
MR.OCHS: Commissioner, what I could do is poll the
individual board members for potential topics and then work with
your calendars and Mr. Mitchell to find a couple of dates that might
work for you, and can send those to the city and see if we can't get
something set up.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Good. All right.
MR. OCHS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Is that it?
MR. OCHS : Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: County Attorney?
MR. KLATZKOW: Nothing, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Hiller?
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Nothing, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes, a couple things.
First one, I hear you have a birthday on Friday.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Saturday.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Saturday? Happy Birthday.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you. That was very kind.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And the second thing is, Merry
Christmas, Happy New Year, Happy Hanukkah, and happy holidays
to everyone. Have a wonderful, wonderful holiday, and remember to
care about one another and show your love to your family.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Bah humbug.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Did you hear that, Cheryl?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah, I'll get in trouble for that.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I know. You should.
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: The -- I would like to add something to
our executive summaries because of recent history. I would like each
executive summary to identify if there are any other agencies who
have an interest in the item that is under consideration, and this really
comes up as a result of the request from the Conservancy.
There are instances where the Conservancy has signed
agreements with landowners or PUDs, and sometimes when they
come before us that is not revealed to the board, and either on the
application for the petition or in the executive summary, can we
identify any other signatories to a particular PUD approval or
document or restriction or preserve so that we understand that other
people might be affected by this decision before we hear it?
MR.OCHS: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Is that possible?
MR. OCHS: I don't see why not; yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. And along with that, I'd like to
have each -- have the county attorney indicate on each executive
summary whether a -- no -- each applicable executive summary
whether or not a simple majority or supermajority vote is required so
that that is prominently disclosed by the county attorney under their
review and we have a clear indication of it.
And I would like to also ask Ian to put that information on the
annotated agendas that you give each of the board members so that
they see that on the annotated agenda, okay.
MR. MITCHELL: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: And that should do it for me for the day.
Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes, I do have a couple of
things. The first one was, back on November 9th, I attended a, what
do you want to call it, a seminar on Arthrex, and also Georgia Hiller
was there, so was our County Manager and the Assistant County
Manager.
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It was a tremendous presentation that was put on. It followed the
history of the company, everything they were doing. There was
nothing that I would call a negative in any way.
It was -- I've always been quite a fan of Arthrex. And the
director there, the owner of it, Mr. Schmelling (sic), Reinbolt, he's
always been a hero--
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Schmieding.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Thank you. He has always been
a hero. I've admired the guy for a long time. I've been meeting with
him offline several different times, you know, to try to draw a
difference between the difference of opinion that we may have over
Jackson Lab and his company.
I mean, when you get down to it, you've got to -- this is the el
primo company in Collier County. There's nothing like it. He has a
program for his employees that's second to none. I don't think you'll
ever find anyone that will ever duplicate it.
But what it was, this presentation when they put it on, they
videotaped it, and it was extremely impressive. And afterwards I went
up to him and I asked him if it would be possible for the video to be
offered to Collier County to be able to put on our channel to be able to
show exactly what this company does.
And at that time he was a little reluctant, and he said he had to
think about it. Well, he's come back since then and he's said yes, he
would like to make those videos available. And I would like very
much for us to be able to run it on our television -- on our TV station
so that we can -- we can show the whole world exactly what Collier
County has to offer.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I think that's a great idea.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Great idea.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Thank you. The other --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I have a question for you though.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes.
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CHAIRMAN COYLE: There is a complaint that has been
lodged because you and Commissioner Fiala went to Bar Harbor,
Maine, to visit with Jackson Labs.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Right.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Now, you're telling me that three
commissioners showed up at Arthrex, and there's no complaint
concerning that?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes. Well, the Naples Daily
News never got any pictures, so I don't think we're going to have any
problems. You're right. There is a comparison between --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Isn't that interesting?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: -- the two. I guess it's whatever
issue somebody may have out there and what kind of case they want
to try to build around it. But I mean, and that's something that's
working itself out.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, Mr. London should be interested
in that, so I would invited Mr. London to file another complaint--
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, thank you very much.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: -- that three commissioners actually
showed up at Arthrex for a meeting.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I wasn't a commissioner yet.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: That sounds terrible. But nevertheless.
Go ahead.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. Then I have one other--
I have another item, too.
On the 4th of January I'm going to be going to Washington, DC.
I've been invited by both David Rivera and Congressman Mario
Diaz- Balart to witness their swearing in. I'm very excited about it.
Well, I was very involved in their campaigns, and I know many of you
were also.
Also while I'm there I'm going to be visiting with the senior
policy analysis -- analyst for the u.S. Department of Transportation to
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discuss one of the -- two big issues for Collier County, one of them
being our interchange -- now, mind you, this is not a congressional
person. This is a policymaker -- to try to find more information from
the federal point of view that will lend itself to our argument in the
future.
And the other thing I want to talk to him about -- and by the way,
I've been working with Dan Summers and Pedro Ramos from the Big
Cypress Park out there over the emergency center out there on 75, and
I'd like to be able to take that to transportation, too, and get a little bit
of idea from them what their role will be into it.
Also, I'm trying to get an appointment with the National Park
Service on some of the same issues.
With that, I'm going to be sharing a room -- two separate beds, by
the way -- with John Norman, who was the former aide for David
Rivera when he was a --
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I want pictures of that.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, I already told John I'm
going to bring my shorty pajamas and he kind of gagged a little bit.
But in any case I, with this commission's indulgence, I do have a
travel budget, and I would like to take the cost out of this to be able to
cover my trip as a public purpose.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I just want to make sure that John
Norman picks up his share of the room cost.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, I'll get proof for you. Do
you want pictures?
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: You got to put it on the agenda.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, it will be when I come
back.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Well, good.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: But at this point in time, I just
wanted to put it out there. And also, like I have done before when I've
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gone to Tallahassee, I'll furnish you with a report when I come back.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Oh, no.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I don't want a report.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, you're still going to get it.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I do.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: You can refine it.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: I don't want to even hear about what you
and John Norman did in that room.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And one very short item. You
brought up about the Conservancy. As you know back last month we
held a meeting out at the Sabal Palm Elementary School out in the
Estates regarding the interchange. We had a tremendous turnout. It
was at least 400 people there. It was great, tremendous amount of
support.
Mario Diaz-Balart came all the way over from Miami to join the
meeting. We had Kathleen Passidomo show up. Matt Hudson, of
course, was there, and there was a tremendous amount of support.
Now, one of the issues that I have is the fact that I want to be able
to go to the board of three different organizations, the Wildlife
Federation, the Friends of Wildlife, and the Conservancy, to be able to
go to their board with Nick to be able to explain to them exactly what
the human element is we're concerned about, because these three
organizations have basically drawn a line in the sand that they will not
in any way endorse, support, and will do everything they can to keep
the interchange from taking place.
Now, I've been refused, and the reasons I've been refused has
been varied, you know, that this -- it's ongoing. Every kind of
imagina- -- every kind of reason you can imagine other than the fact
that they don't want to meet with me and spend the time.
Originally I was told the Conservancy wouldn't meet with me
because they don't meet with anyone but their own staff people, and
then -- and made a real issue about that. But the whole thing is, is that
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the letters that I got were not offering me what I was looking for. And
I'd like to be able to direct the chair to write letters asking that they
grant us the privilege of this opportunity just to be able to talk to their
board of directors.
It would -- they have the -- they have that ability when they come
before the commission. And it's because these organizations are so
important for the success of this interchange. There's been few things
that happened in Collier County in spite of the lack of support from
these organizations. It always happens because of the support. And
not having that support up front is very concerning.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. I think Henning was first.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: There's a process that it must go
through, and we don't want to circumvent that process. And part of
that process is a modeling to do with the environment out there. And
my understanding, it is supported by the residents to not circumvent
the process to get the permits out there.
And I know this is important to Commissioner Coletta, but we
should allow our staff to do what they do and not intervene in the
process.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And I've got to respond to that.
I'm not doing anything to fight the process. We realize we have to go
through the -- the study to be able to justify it, and the -- what do you
call it -- the enhanced study on steroids that we have to go through,
new one that's never taken place before. We accept that. The problem
is, we can get through the process.
Without the support or at least the no objection from these local
environmental groups, it's going to be hell on wheels for many years
trying to get there.
And what I want to try to do is through -- appeal to them for their
support and to work with them as closely as possible. I've always
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made myself open to them. I have a friendship with a number of
people in those different organizations, and I just want to be able to
meet with their board of directors, no threats, nothing more than an
appeal to be able to tell them what our intentions are, because in all
reality, when we get through, the mitigation that will be done will far
outweigh the improvements that exist now as far as being able to
prevent future panther deaths, to be able to provide for all sorts of
environmental protection.
The interchange itself is going to provide -- it's going to provide
access and egress for a population that's basically already been vested
to be able to grow within that area, and it's been needed for like 20
years.
Now we have the problem with the fact that we have to deal with
all these things. And I just want to make sure, when we get to the end
of it, that we're not going to have the Conservancy and the wildlife
federation and the friends of wildlife coming up with untold millions
of dollars to sue this county and to keep this thing going on forever so
this is something that our children and our grandchildren will probably
not see, and it will cost everybody, including the taxpayers, a
considerable amount of money.
I'm just looking for an avenue to be able to reach out to them in a
nonthreatening way.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, I understand your interest. What if
they say no?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, then it's not for the lack of
trying.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Well, I think you've already tried,
haven't you? You've already asked them, and they won't meet with
you. I'm just -- I feel a little uncomfortable writing a letter to them
asking that they meet with you at this point in time because I'm not
certain that we have all of the information available which would be
definitive enough to convince them to change their mind.
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And the -- I think the last thing we want to do right now is to
provide them another reason to say no. I think you might be better
served if you wait just a little while and see if we can't develop
additional information and maybe even couple your meeting, your
request for a meeting, with a visit by one of our congressional
representatives when they're in town.
And Mario Diaz-Balart, you know, if you talk with him when
you're going up to Washington, maybe you talk with him and see if he
would go to these organizations with you and meet to see if you can
convince them to be more supportive.
But I have a feeling that they're going to require more
information than is available at the present time before they're going to
meet with you or even give you a commitment.
But my -- my gut belief is that this is going to be one of those
circumstances where you wind up fighting this out, because I don't
think they're ever going to agree with you on it.
And you'll have our support, but I don't know that we can get you
any support from some of those organizations.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And I appreciate that. And I will
take that to heart, and I will try to approach it from that particular
direction.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Good, good.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And I'll report back to you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Good.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Once again, I'm trying to do this
not in a threatening way. I'm trying to remove future obstacles from
this interchange from happening.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: But I thank you very much for
your time.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay, good.
All right. Commissioner Henning?
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COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yes. Well, first of all, Happy
Birthday, Commissioner Hiller.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: You hold the title that I held for
a number of years.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: The only person here under 60.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah. You will be the youngest
County Commissioner on the board, even this Saturday you will still
be the youngest commissioner on the board.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: That makes my birthday feel a lot
better.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: By a long shot.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: By a long shot. But I also want
to wish everybody Happy Kwanzaa, Happy Hanukkah, Merry
Christmas, and Happy New Year.
The -- there is one thing, and I -- you know, I appreciate -- I
realize that I don't win issues, and it's not about winning or losing. In
this case that I bring issues on, it's about the debate. And one thing
that came out of to day's meeting on an item that I had on the agenda
was the vertical expansion of the landfill.
Because that process was on the agenda, I found out that a local
resident is trying to bring a business into Collier County to take some
of our waste stream rotting in that landfill and make a product that's
going to go into lumber yards like Lowe's and Home Depot and so on
and so forth.
I want to explore that, because one thing that Mr. Johns says that
I didn't realize when I talked to him briefly the other day, he's talking
about jobs of 50- to $60,000.
So just asking the board if they have any problem with me
putting staff together and Mr. Johns and a company wanting to locate
here, to explore it, and if we can make this happen, I think we can
extend the life of the landfill out for beyond the youngest
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commissioner's life on the board here, a hundred years or 120 years.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, she's going to be around then.
Tell him.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yes.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah. Go for it, man.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: And wouldn't that be great that
we -- even if we have the capacity --
COMMISSIONER HILLER: And I could tell my great, great
grandchildren that I was here the day you came up with this idea.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Right.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: And you could even tell them that you
ate lunch on the top of that 71- foot tall landfill, right?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Anyways, continuing on what I
was going to say is, keep that vertical expansion but never have to
utilize it. Isn't that great?
So anyways, I'm going to do that unless there's objections.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: No, go for it.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: And report back to board.
With that, I'll make a motion to adjourn.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Second.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Okay. Motion to adjourn by
Commissioner Henning, second by Commissioner Fiala.
Commissioner Hiller, your light is on. I hope we can turn it off.
COMMISSIONER HILLER: I just wanted to say thank you to
all of you and to staff for a really wonderful first board meeting, and
Happy Holidays and Happy New Year.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Same to you.
CHAIRMAN COYLE: Yep. Happy Holidays, everybody.
We're out of here.
****Commissioner Henning moved, seconded by Commissioner
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Coletta and carried unanimously that the following items under the
Consent and Summary Agendas be approved and/or adopted ****
Item #16A1
FUNDING AGREEMENT NO. HGMP 1785-027-R WITH
FLORIDA'S DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FOR
$49,200 PROVIDING FUNDING ASSISTANCE TO THE LEL Y
AREA STORMW A TER IMPROVEMENT PROJECT (LASIP)
HALDEMANCREEKSTORMWATERIMPROVEMENTAND
THE LOCK LOUISE WEIR RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT AND
TO APPROVE ALL NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENTS
RECOGNIZING REVENUE FOR THE PROJECT - WITH A
NON-FEDERAL SHARE IN THE AMOUNT OF $16,400 TO
PROVIDE DRAINAGE RELIEF FOR APPROXIMATELY 11,135
ACRES IN THE LEL Y CANAL BASIN SYSTEM
Item #16A2
REPORT ON THE STATUS OF COMPLIANCE EFFORTS BY
THE QUEEN'S PARK COMMUNITY SERVICES
ASSOCIATION, INC. PURSUANT TO BOARD DIRECTION
JANUARY 12, 2010 - COMPLIANCE HAS BEEN MET FOR
CODE VIOLATION CASE NO. CEVR20080013071 WHICH
REQUIRED REMOVING EXOTIC PLANTS FROM HA WAIl
LAKE LOCATED IN THE QUEEN'S PARK SUBDIVISION
Item #16A3
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE WATER UTILITY FACILITY
FOR CORTILE AT MEDITERRA, PARCEL 118,16971 CORTILE
DRIVE AND AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MANAGER, OR HIS
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DESIGNEE, TO RELEASE ANY UTILITIES PERFORMANCE
SECURITY TO THE PROJECT ENGINEER OR DEVELOPER'S
DESIGNATED AGENT
Item #16A4
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE WATER AND SEWER UTILITY
FACILITIES FOR HERITAGE BAY CLUBHOUSE, PHASE A,
10154 HERITAGE BAY BOULEVARD AND AUTHORIZE THE
COUNTY MANAGER, OR HIS DESIGNEE, TO RELEASE ANY
UTILITIES PERFORMANCE SECURITY TO THE PROJECT
ENGINEER OR THE DEVELOPER'S DESIGNATED AGENT-
ON-SITE WATER AND SEWER UTILITIES WILL NOW BE
MAINTAINED BY THE OWNER
Item # 16A5
RECORDING THE FINAL PLAT OF FAITH LANDING,
APPROVAL OF THE STANDARD FORM CONSTRUCTION
AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AND APPROVAL OF THE
AMOUNT OF THE PERFORMANCE SECURITY - WITH THE
SECURITY AMOUNT EQUALING 110% OF THE PROJECT
COST OR $3~ 172~251.50
Item #16A6
RESOLUTION 2010-227: FINAL APPROVAL OF THE
ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE
FINAL PLAT OF CITY GATE COMMERCE CENTER, PHASE
ONE WITH ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS
WITHIN "TRACT R-2" BEING PRIV A TEL Y MAINTAINED AND
"TRACT R-1" BEING MAINTAINED BY COLLIER COUNTY
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AND AUTHORIZING RELEASE OF THE MAINTENANCE
SECURITY
Item #16A7
COUNTY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE PERMITTING REMOVAL
OF AN EXISTING SEAWALL AND DUNE RESTORATION
WITHOUT REQUIRING THE APPLICANT TO AMEND
COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE VARIANCE
RESOLUTION 82-179 - AS DETAILED IN THE EXECUTIVE
SUMMARY
Item #16A8 - Moved to Item #10H (Per Agenda Change Sheet)
Item # 16A9
RECORDING THE FINAL PLAT OF JOHNNYCAKE COVE, LOT
8 REPLAT- DEVELOPER MUST RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE OF
ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE
OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN FINAL APPROVAL LETTER
Item #16A10
RECORDING THE FINAL PLAT OF BERKSHIRE COMMONS
PARCELS 3A & 3B - DEVELOPER MUST RECEIVE A
CERTIFICATE OF ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES PRIOR TO
THE ISSUANCE OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN FINAL
APPROVAL LETTER
Item #16All
IMPACT FEE REIMBURSEMENT REQUEST BY BA YFRONT,
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INC. TOTALING $193,454.24, DUE TO THE CANCELLATION
OF TWO BUILDING PERMITS - FOR CITY OF NAPLES
PERMIT NUMBER 403744 AND NUMBER 403745 REQUESTED
BY BA YFRONT~ INC.
Item #16A12
AN ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT FOR LOT 17, GREY
OAKS UNIT NINETEEN - THIS AGREEMENT INCLUDES THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THE GREY OAKS
HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION AND A HOMEOWNER THAT
INTENDS TO INSTALL A SWIMMING POOL & DECK
Item #16A13
SCRIVENER'S ERROR TO UPDATE INFORMATION IN
CHANGE ORDER NO.7 FOR AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN
COLLIER COUNTY AND V AN BUSKIRK, RYFFEL AND
ASSOCIATES, INC. - CHANGING INCORRECT WRITTEN
RECORDS FOR ITEM #16A4 FROM THE OCTOBER 26, 2010
BCC MEETING; CLARIFYING A CHANGE ORDER NO.,
CHANGING THE CONTRACT TIME-FRAME & INCREASING
THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR CONTRACT #45-88581
Item #16A14
SATISFACTION OF LIEN RELATED TO IMPACT FEES, DUE
TO DEFERRED IMPACT FEES BEING PAID IN FULL, IN
ACCORDANCE WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IMPACT
FEE DEFERRAL PROGRAM, SET FORTH BY SECTION 74-401
OF COLLIER COUNTY'S CODE OF LAWS & ORDINANCES
AND THE CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION IMPACT FEE
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DEFERRAL PROGRAM, SET FORTH BY SECTION 74-203 (I)
COLLIER COUNTY'S CODE OF LAWS AND ORDINANCES -
AS DETAILED IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Item #16A15
AWARD BID #10-5507 FOR STORM DRAIN CLEANING,
DOCUMENTING & REPAIRS TO SHENANDOAH GENERAL
CONSTRUCTION COMPANY FOR AN ESTIMATED ANNUAL
EXPENDITURE OF $100,000 - FOR MAINTENANCE REPAIRS
AND RELATED SERVICES NEEDED ON ALL COUNTY
MAINTAINED STORM DRAINS
Item #16A16
FUNDING AGREEMENT NO. 4600002213 W/SOUTH FLORIDA
WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT FOR $775,000, PROVIDING
FUNDING ASSISTANCE FOR TWO (2) STORMWATER
PROJECTS AND APPROVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE
COLLIER SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT
NECESSARY TO FACILITATE ASSISTANCE ON THE SECOND
OF THE TWO PROJECTS AND AUTHORIZE THE NECESSARY
BUDGET AMENDMENT - FUNDS UP TO $775,000 FOR THE
NORTHWEST ROYAL WOOD CULVERT & WHITAKER ROAD
DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT AND THE NORTHERN
GOLDEN GATE ESTATES FLOW-WAY RESTORATION
MASTER PLAN PROJECT
Item #16A17
BUDGET AMENDMENT TO RECOGNIZE CARRY FORWARD
FOR PROJECTS IN TRANSPORTATION SUPPORTED GAS TAX
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FUND (313) FOR $4,350 - RE-APPROPRIATED IN THE TIS
REVIEW & PUD MONITORING/TRAFFIC COUNT PROJECTS
Item #16A18
LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH THE
SHORES AT BERKSHIRE LAKES MASTER HOMEOWNER'S
ASSOCIATION, INC. FOR WORK PERFORMED ON AN
EASEMENT ALONG SANTA BARBARA BOULEVARD AND
RADIO ROAD -W/IRRIGATION AND ALL MAINTENANCE
RESPONSIBILITIES ALONG A NOISE WALL BUFFER
PERFORMED BY THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION
Item #16A19
PROPOSED ROUTE MODIFICATIONS AND OPENING OF THE
PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SECONDARY TRANSFER STATION
AT THE COLLIER AREA TRANSIT (CAT) FACILITY AT 8300
RADIO ROAD - THE ROUTE IMPROVEMENTS AND STATION
OPERATIONS ARE EFFECTIVE JANUARY 2~ 2011
Item #16A20
ACCEPTING A FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION
SECTION 5310 FY2010/2011 GRANT AWARD FOR $230,115;
UTILIZING THE UNSPENT PORTION OF THE FY2009/2010
FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION SECTION 5310
GRANT AWARD FOR $30,570 AND APPROVING PURCHASE
OF THREE (3) PARATRANSIT VEHICLES FOR THE TOTAL
AMOUNT OF $260,688 - A 10% LOCAL MATCH IS REQUIRED
TO REPLACE THREE (3) 2006 PARATRANSIT VEHICLES
SCHEDULED FOR REPLACEMENT
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Item #16A21
RESOLUTION 2010-228: AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION &
SUBMITTAL OF A FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION
SECTION 5311 FY2011/2012 GRANT APPLICATION AND
APPLICABLE DOCUMENT
Item #16A22
RESOLUTION 2010-229: AUTHORIZING SUBMITTAL OF A
FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION SECTION 5310
FY2011/2012 GRANT APPLICATION & APPLICABLE
DOCUMENT; ANY AWARDS MAY ONLY BE USED FOR THE
CAPITAL EXPENDITURE OF BUS PURCHASES
Item #16A23 - OMITTED FROM THE AGENDA INDEX
Item # 16A24
TWO (2) ADOPT-A-ROAD PROGRAM AGREEMENTS FOR
LAKE TRAFFORD ROAD: SR 29 TO CARSON ROAD, WITH
THE VOLUNTEER GROUP, THE IMMOKALEE HIGH SCHOOL
COLLEGE REACH OUT PROGRAM; AND LAKE TRAFFORD
ROAD FROM CARSON ROAD TO LITTLE LEAGUE ROAD,
WITH VOLUNTEER GROUP, IMMOKALEE HIGH SCHOOL
FUTURE BUSINESS LEADERS OF AMERICA, AND FOUR (4)
RECOGNITION SIGNS AT A TOTAL COST OF $300
Item #16A25 - Moved to Item #101 (Per Agenda Change Sheet)
Item #16B1
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COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY (CRA) AND
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS APPROVAL OF A
JOINT CRA/BCC W ALKABLE COMMUNITY STUDY, AND
JOINTL Y SUBMIT THE STUDY TO THE COLLIER
METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION (MPO) FOR
INCLUSION INTO THE COLLIER COUNTY'S MPO
PATHWAYS MASTERPLAN -ASSESSING PEDESTRIAN'S
NEEDS ON LOCAL ROADS IN NEIGHBORHOOD
COMMUNITIES TO EVALUATE BIKE, PEDESTRIAN AND
PATHWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN
THE COMPREHENSIVE P A THW A YS PLAN
Item #16B2
COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY (CRA)
APPROV AL AND EXECUTION OF A SHORELINE
STABILIZATION GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CRA
AND GRANT APPLICANT WITHIN THE BA YSHORE
GATEWAY TRIANGLE AREA. (2736 & 2772 RIVERVIEW
DRIVE: TOTALING $9,725) - FOR TWO ADJACENT
WATERFRONT PARCELS ON HALDEMAN CREEK THAT
HAVE PRE-EXISTING SINGLE-F AMIL Y HOMES
Item #16C1
AWARD BID #10-5563, CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT IN THE
AMOUNT OF $714,765 FOR NORTH COUNTY REGIONAL
WATER TREATMENT PLANT VARIABLE FREQUENCY
DRIVE UPGRADES TO GULF COAST CONSTRUCTION OF
NAPLES, INC., PROJECT NO. 71063 - TO REPLACE ARCHAIC
VFD'S USED TO CONTROL THE SPEED OF PUMPS THAT
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DISTRIBUTE WATER TO THE NORTH SERVICE AREA
Item # 16C2
WORK ORDER FOR CONTRACT #08-5011 UNDERGROUND
UTILITIES CONTRACTING SERVICES FOR $373,800 TO
HASKINS, INC., PROJECT NO. 73307 - TO REPAIR AND
UPGRADE PERFORMANCE OF COUNTY WASTEWATER
PUMPING STATIONS AT THE LELY GOLF ESTATES AND
RIVIERA ESTATES DEVELOPMENTS
Item #16C3
AN EQUIPMENT SECURITY AGREEMENT SECURING A
PAYMENT PLAN DEBT BETWEEN FINE & DANDY SERVICE,
INC., D/B/A NAPKING, AND COLLIER COUNTY'S WATER-
SEWER DISTRICT; A ONE-TIME EXCEPTION TO THE
CONSOLIDATED IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE, NO. 2001-13, AS
AMENDED, FOR WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES AND AN
ALLOWANCE FOR FUNDS PRUDENTLY INVESTED (AFPI)
FEE FOR BUILDING PERMIT NO. 2010070017 - BECAUSE OF
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES THIS AGREEMENT
GRANTS A 10- YEAR INTEREST FREE (MONTHLY) PAYMENT
PLAN & INITIATES A LIEN AGAINST BUSINESS EQUIPMENT
Item #16D1
AWARD INVITATION TO BID #10-5597, FOR CONCESSION
STAND FOOD PRODUCTS TO CHENEY BROTHERS INC.,
WITH ANNUAL ESTIMATED EXPENSES OF $100,000 - FOR
CONCESSION SALES TO THE PUBLIC AT NORTH COLLIER
REGIONAL PARK
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Item #16D2
AMENDMENT TO A COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT
ORGANIZATION (CHDO) SET-ASIDE FUNDS SUBRECIPIENT
AGREEMENT WITH FLORIDA NON-PROFIT SERVICES, INC.
(FNPS) APPROVED ON JULY 27,2010. THE PROJECT WAS
APPROVED TO PURCHASE AND REHABILITATE A SINGLE
F AMIL Y HOME IN IMMOKALEE. THE AMENDMENT
UPDATES LANGUAGE IN EXHIBIT A, THAT INCLUDES
SECTION A- SCOPE, SECTION B- BUDGET, SECTION C-
WORK PLAN AND SECTION D- THE PAYMENT SCHEDULE
TO UPDATE TERMS AND TO REVISE EXHIBIT C, WHICH
CONTAINS ADDITIONAL GRANT REQUIREMENTS. THE
PROJECT WILL CONTINUE TO MEET THE ORIGINAL
OBJECTIVE APPROVED ON JULY 27~ 2010
Item #16D3
LETTER OF UNDERSTANDING WITH LARRY RAY, COLLIER
COUNTY'S TAX COLLECTOR, TO OUTLINE A TAX
COLLECTOR AND LIBRARY JOINT USE FACILITY IN
EVERGLADES CITY, FLORIDA - THE TAX COLLECTOR
WILL REMAIN 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SALARY &
SUPERVISION OF THE EMPLOYEE FOR FY 2011
Item # 16D4
MORTGAGE AND NOTE MODIFICATION AGREEMENT WITH
CREATIVE CHOICE HOMES XIV, LTD., EXTENDING THE
TERM OF A STATE HOUSING INITIATIVE PARTNERSHIP
PROGRAM LOAN FOR AN ADDITIONAL EIGHT YEARS WITH
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THE NEW MATURITY DATE OF NOVEMBER 1, 2018-
REGARDING A 298 UNIT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT
LOCATED AT 8650 WEIR LANE~ NAPLES
Item #16D5
AMENDMENT TO A 2008-2009 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
BLOCK GRANT (CDBG) SUBRECIPIENT AGREEMENT WITH
THE CITY OF NAPLES APPROVED OCTOBER 27, 2009. THE
AMENDMENT REVISES EXHIBIT A: SECTION B-THE
BUDGET AND C- THE PROJECT MILESTONE SCHEDULE TO
F ACILIT A TE REIMBURSEMENT - AGREEMENT
AMENDMENT #1 FOR THE "RIVER PARK COMMUNITY
CENTER" PROJECT AT 301 11 TH ST. NORTH
Item #16D6
AMENDMENT TO A 2009-2010 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
BLOCK GRANT (CDBG) SUBRECIPIENT AGREEMENT WITH
THE CITY OF NAPLES APPROVED SEPTEMBER 15, 2009
(ITEM 16D9) - REVISING EXHIBIT A, SECTIONS BAND C, TO
UPDATE BUDGET INFORMATION AND EXTEND PROJECT
MILESTONE SCHEDULE DATES TO FACILITATE
REIMBURSEMENT
Item #16D7
A SUBRECIPIENT AGREEMENT FOR A COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT (CDBG) PROJECT
PREVIOUSL Y APPROVED FOR DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (HUD) FUNDING IN THE 2010-
2011 ACTION PLAN - FUNDS WILL BE USED TOWARD
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CONSTRUCTION OF A CRISIS STABILIZATION UNIT;
ADDING 16 BEDS TO THE DAVID LAWRENCE CENTER TO
CARE FOR PATIENTS WHO ARE INCARCERATED UNDER
THE BAKER ACT DUE TO MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES
Item #16D8
PAYMENT OF A $600 ADMINISTRATIVE FINE TO FLORIDA'S
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION FOR
VIOLATING FLORIDA ADMINISTRATIVE CODE 62-296.401,
PROVIDING REGULATORY GUIDELINES FOR AIR GENERAL
PERMITS - FOR AN AIR EMISSION INSPECTION AT
DOMESTIC ANIMAL SERVICES THAT FAILED TO MEET THE
REQUIRED MINIMUM CREMA TOR TEMPERATURES
Item #16D9
AMENDMENT TO A 2009-2010 EMERGENCY SHELTER
GRANT (ESG) SUBRECIPIENT AGREEMENT WITH SHELTER
FOR ABUSED WOMEN & CHILDREN (SA WCC) APPROVED
SEPTEMBER 15, 2009 BY REVISING EXHIBIT A: SECTION A-
SCOPE; B- BUDGET; AND SECTION C- PROJECT MILESTONE
SCHEDULE, AND UPDATING BUDGET INFORMATION TO
F ACILIT A TE REIMBURSEMENT
Item #16D10
AFTER THE F ACT APPROVAL TO SUBMIT A FY 2010
CONTINUUM OF CARE (COC) GRANT APPLICATION FOR
$413,441 TO U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN
DEVELOPMENT (HUD) FOR COC PROGRAMS ASSISTING &
BENEFITING THE HOMELESS POPULATION IN COLLIER
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COUNTY. THE APPLICATION HAS NO EFFECT ON AD
VALOREM OR GENERAL FUND DOLLARS - RENEWS
FUNDING FOR COLLIER COUNTY HHVS, TO MAINTAIN THE
HOMELESS MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEM; THE
SHEL TER FOR ABUSED WOMEN & CHILDREN, INC.;
ST. MATTHEW'S HOUSE; AND THE NEW PROJECT WITH
COLLIER COUNTY'S HOUSING AUTHORITY PROVIDING
RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND CASE MANAGEMENT SUPPORT
Item #16D11
SUBRECIPIENT AGREEMENT PROVIDING A $35,000 STATE
HOUSING INITIATIVES PROGRAM (SHIP) GRANT TO THE
HOUSING DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION OF SW FLORIDA,
INC. (HDC). THE AGENCY WILL PROVIDE HOMEBUYER
EDUCATION, PRE-PURCHASE, EXTENDED CREDIT AND/OR
FORECLOSURE PREVENTION COUNSELING TO BENEFIT
PERSONS EARNING LESS THAN 120% OF FAMILY MEDIAN
INCOME OF COLLIER COUNTY - PROPOSES EDUCATING A
MINIMUM OF 100 PERSONS
Item #16D12
AFTER THE FACT APPROVAL FOR SUBMITTAL OF A 2011
OLDER AMERICANS ACT GRANTS IN THE SERVICES FOR
SENIOR'S PROGRAM SPONSORED BY THE AREA AGENCY
ON AGING OF SOUTHWEST FLORIDA AND APPROVE THE
NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENTS TOTALING $545,000-
TO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR COLLIER COUNTY'S FRAIL
ELDERLY INCLUDING MEAL SERVICE & IN-HOME CARE
Item #16D13
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RESOLUTION 2010-230: SUPPORTING FOUR (4) COUNTY
GRANT APPLICATIONS TO FLORIDA'S DEPARTMENT OF
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION (FDEP) FOR LONG RANGE
GRANT FUNDING REQUESTS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2011-2012
AND AUTHORIZE NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENTS -
TO FUND THE FOLLOWING PROJECTS: WIGGIN'S PASS
INLET MANAGEMENT PLAN; THE BAREFOOT BEACH
RESTORATION PROJECT; SOUTH MARCO ISLAND BEACH
RENOURISHMENT; AND COLLIER COUNTY BEACH
RENOURISHMENT
Item #16E1
PURCHASE OF GROUP HEALTH REINSURANCE COVERAGE
FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2011 IN THE AMOUNT OF $687,648; A
COST REDUCTION OF 28.7% - FOR CHOSEN COVERAGE
WITH ZURICH INSURANCE AND RECOGNIZING A
SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS BY INCREASING THE SELF-
INSURED DEDUCTIBLE
Item #16E2
AWARD RFP #10-5442, GROUP INSURANCE BROKERAGE
AND ACTUARIAL SERVICES TO WILLIS OF TENNESSEE,
INC., D/B/A WILLIS OF FLORIDA IN AN ESTIMATED
AMOUNT OF $94,000 PER YEAR - FOR PROFESSIONAL
BENEFIT CONSULTING SERVICES FOR A THREE (3) YEAR
PERIOD BEGINNING JANUARY L 2011
Item #16E3
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ACCEPTING THE FISCAL YEAR 2010 GRANT REPORT
PROVIDING AN ANNUAL UPDATE OF GRANT FUNDING
ACTIVITY - AS DETAILED IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Item #16E4
ACCEPT THE DEED AND APPROVE TRANSFER OF TITLE
TO HABITAT FOR HUMANITY UPON PAYMENT OF ALL
COUNTY TAXES, ASSESSMENTS & CODE ENFORCEMENT
HARD COSTS RELATING TO PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5408
CARLTON STREET, COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA - WITH
PAYMENT TO COLLIER COUNTY IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO
EXCEED $20~000 AND CLOSING ON/BEFORE MARCH 31~ 2011
Item # 16E5
RESOLUTION 2010-231: REVISING BOARD POLICY ON THE
OPERATION OF LAKE TRAFFORD MEMORIAL GARDENS,
TO UPDATE CREMATION POLICY LANGUAGE FOR THE
UNCLAIMED AND UNCLAIMED INDIGENT DECEASED IN
COLLIER COUNTY
Item # 16E6 - Moved to Item # 1 OJ (During Agenda Changes per
Commissioner Henning)
Item #16E7
AWARD BID #10-5581 "MOTOR OILS, LUBRICANTS, AND
FLUIDS" TO COMBS OIL COMPANY AS PRIMARY VENDOR
AND EVANS OIL COMPANY, LLC, FLORIDA DETROIT
DIESEL-ALLISON INC. AND PALMDALE OIL COMPANY,
INC. AS SECONDARY VENDORS WITH THE TOTAL ANNUAL
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ESTIMATED EXPENDITURE OF $80,000 - TO MAINTAIN THE
COUNTY'S 2700 FLEET VEHICLES AND MOTORIZED
EQUIPMENT
Item #16E8 - Moved to Item #10K (During Agenda Changes per
Commissioner Henning)
Item #16E9
PROVIDE REGULATIONS FOR PUBLIC USE OF COUNTY
LANDS DESIGNATED AS PRESERVES AND TO PROVIDE
USER FEES FOR PRIVATE EVENTS CONDUCTED AT
PRESERVES - REVISING EXISTING ORDINANCES AND
DEVELOPING A FEE SCHEDULE RESOLUTION FOR
POTENTIAL PRIVATE EVENTS, LOW INTENSITY
FUNCTIONS AND CONSERVATION RELATED EVENTS AT
THE SEVEN CONSERVATION COLLIER PRESERVES
Item #16F1
ANNUAL RENEWAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC
CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY FOR ADVANCED LIFE
SUPPORT TRANSPORT FOR COLLIER COUNTY'S
EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND
AUTHORIZING THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE THE
EMERGENCY SERVICES PERMIT AND CERTIFICATE - FOR
THE YEAR 2011
Item # 16F2
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS REVIEW & APPROVE
FISCAL YEAR 2011 STRATEGIC PLANS FOR THE NAPLES,
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MARCO ISLAND AND EVERGLADES CONVENTION AND
VISITORS BUREAUS (CVB) AND APPROVE ALL NECESSARY
BUDGET AMENDMENTS - AS DETAILED IN THE
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Item #16F3
CONTRACT #09-5321 AMENDMENT #1, TOURISM GRANT
AGREEMENT WITH MARCO ISLAND HISTORICAL SOCIETY
AND COLLIER COUNTY EXTENDING THE AGREEMENT TO
SEPTEMBER 30, 2011 AND AUTHORIZING THE CHAIRMAN
TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT AMENDMENT - ALLOWING
THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY TIME TO COMPLETE THE
REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORIGINAL GRANT APPLICATION
Item #16F4
RESOLUTION 2010-232: APPROVING AMENDMENTS
(APPROPRIATING GRANT, DONATIONS, CONTRIBUTIONS
OR INSURANCE PROCEEDS) TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2010-11
ADOPTED BUDGET
Item #16F5
ACCEPT THE REPORT TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS COVERING BUDGET AMENDMENTS
FROM RESERVES IN THE AMOUNT LESS THAN $25,000 - TO
REPLACE CLOSED FY 2010 PURCHASE ORDERS
Item #16Hl
COMMISSIONER FIALA'S REIMBURSEMENT REGARDING
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ATTENDANCE AT A FUNCTION SERVING A VALID PUBLIC
PURPOSE. SHE ATTENDED THE FRIEND'S OF THE LIBRARY
ANNUAL CASINO NIGHT ON NOVEMBER 5, 2010 IN NAPLES,
FL. $35 TO BE PAID FROM COMMISSIONER FIALA'S TRAVEL
BUDGET - HELD AT SAINT KATHERINE'S GREEK
ORTHODOX CHURCH~ 7100 AIRPORT-PULLING ROAD
Item #16H2
COMMISSIONER FIALA'S REIMBURSEMENT REGARDING
ATTENDANCE AT A FUNCTION SERVING A VALID PUBLIC
PURPOSE. SHE ATTENDED THE 2010 GOLDEN GATE
CITIZEN OF THE YEAR EVENT AT VANDERBILT COUNTRY
CLUB, NAPLES, FL ON NOVEMBER 11, 2010. $40 TO BE PAID
FROM COMMISSIONER FIALA'S TRAVEL BUDGET -
LOCATED AT 8250 DANBURY DRIVE~ NAPLES
Item #16H3
COMMISSIONER COLETTA'S REIMBURSEMENT
REGARDING ATTENDANCE AT A FUNCTION SERVING A
VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE. HE ATTENDED THE SCORE
ANNUAL RECOGNITION LUNCHEON ON DECEMBER 6, 2010
IN NAPLES, FL. $30 TO BE PAID FROM COMMISSIONER
COLETTA'S TRAVEL BUDGET - HELD AT THE BEAR'S PAW
COUNTRY CLUB~ 2500 GOLDEN GATE P ARKW A Y~ NAPLES
Item #16H4
COMMISSIONER FIALA'S REIMBURSEMENT REGARDING
ATTENDANCE AT A FUNCTION SERVING A VALID PUBLIC
PURPOSE. SHE ATTENDED MARCO ISLAND HISTORICAL
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SOCIETY'S HOLIDAY PARTY AND ANNUAL MEETING ON
DECEMBER 7, 2010 IN NAPLES, FL. $20 TO BE PAID FROM
COMMISSIONER FIALA'S TRAVEL BUDGET - HELD AT THE
ROSE HISTORY AUDITORIUM, 210 HEATHWOOD DRIVE,
MARCO ISLAND~ FL
Item #16H5
COMMISSIONER FIALA'S REIMBURSEMENT REGARDING
ATTENDANCE AT A FUNCTION SERVING A VALID PUBLIC
PURPOSE. SHE ATTENDED THE EAST NAPLES CIVIC
ASSOCIATION MONTHLY LUNCHEON AT HAMIL TON
HARBOR YACHT CLUB ON NOVEMBER 18,2010 IN NAPLES,
FL. $18 TO BE PAID FROM COMMISSIONER FIALA'S TRAVEL
BUDGET - LOCATED AT 7065 HAMIL TON A VENUE~ NAPLES
Item #16H6
COMMISSIONER FIALA'S REIMBURSEMENT REGARDING
ATTENDANCE AT A FUNCTION SERVING A VALID PUBLIC
PURPOSE. SHE ATTENDED SERVICE CORPS OF RETIRED
EXECUTIVES (SCORE) ANNUAL PROGRAM KICKOFF AND
RECOGNITION LUNCHEON DECEMBER 6,2010 AT BEAR'S
PAW COUNTRY CLUB IN NAPLES, FL. $30 TO BE PAID
FROM COMMISSIONER FIALA'S TRAVEL BUDGET -
LOCATED AT 2500 GOLDEN GATE PARKWAY~ NAPLES
Item #16H7
COMMISSIONER FIALA'S REIMBURSEMENT REGARDING
ATTENDANCE AT A FUNCTION SERVING A VALID PUBLIC
PURPOSE. SHE ATTENDED THE MARCO ISLAND CHAMBER
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OF COMMERCE CHRISTMAS GALA ON DECEMBER 5,2010
ON MARCO ISLAND, FL. $75 TO BE PAID FROM
COMMISSIONER FIALA'S TRAVEL BUDGET - HELD AT THE
BISTRO SOLEIL~ 100 PALM STREET~ MARCO ISLAND~ FL
Item #16H8
COMMISSIONER HENNING'S REIMBURSEMENT
REGARDING ATTENDANCE AT A FUNCTION SERVING A
VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE. HE ATTENDED THE 25TH
ANNIVERSARY OF THE RITZ CARLTON EVENT ON
DECEMBER 3,2010 IN NAPLES, FLORIDA. $25 TO BE PAID
FROM COMMISSIONER HENNING'S TRAVEL BUDGET -
LOCATED AT 208 VANDERBILT BEACH ROAD~ NAPLES
Item #16H9
COMMISSIONER COLETTA'S REIMBURSEMENT
REGARDING ATTENDANCE AT A FUNCTION SERVING A
VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE. HE ATTENDED THE LEADERSHIP
COLLIER ALUMNI HOLIDAY EVENT DECEMBER 9, 2010 IN
NAPLES, FLORIDA. $35 TO BE PAID FROM COMMISSIONER
COLETTA'S TRAVEL BUDGET
Item #1611
MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO FILE FOR RECORD WITH
ACTION AS DIRECTED
The following miscellaneous correspondence, as presented by the
Board of County Commissioners, has been directed to the various
departments as indicated:
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MISCELLANEOUS CORRESPONDENCE
AGENDA ITEM #1611
SUBMITTED FOR THE DECEMBER 14, 2010
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
MEETING
December 14, 2010
Item #16J1
DISBURSEMENTS FOR THE PERIOD OF OCTOBER 30,2010
THROUGH NOVEMBER 5,2010 AND FOR SUBMISSION INTO
THE OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE BOARD
Item #16J2
DISBURSEMENTS FOR THE PERIOD OF NOVEMBER 6, 2010
THROUGH NOVEMBER 12, 2010 AND FOR SUBMISSION
INTO THE OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE BOARD
Item # 16J3
DISBURSEMENTS FOR THE PERIOD OF NOVEMBER 13, 2010
THROUGH NOVEMBER 19,2010 AND FOR SUBMISSION
INTO THE OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE BOARD
Item # 16J4
DISBURSEMENTS FOR THE PERIOD OF NOVEMBER 20,2010
THROUGH NOVEMBER 26, 2010 AND FOR SUBMISSION
INTO THE OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE BOARD
Item #16J5
A REPORT OF INTEREST FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING
SEPTEMBER 30,2010 PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTE
218.78 & PURCHASING POLICY XII.E. FOR THE YEAR
ENDING SEPTEMBER 30~ 2010 - NO INTEREST WAS PAID
Item #16Kl
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RETENTION AGREEMENT FOR LEGAL SERVICES ON AN
"AS NEEDED" BASIS WITH THE LAW FIRM OF BRYANT,
MILLER AND OLIVE TO MEET COUNTY PURCHASING
POLICY CONTRACT UPDATE REQUIREMENTS - FOR
SERVICES IN THE AREA OF GOVERNMENT BONDS AND
FINANCE
Item #16K2
RESOLUTION 2010-233: DESIGNATING THE APPROVED
NORTH COLLIER RECYCLING DROP-OFF CENTER, AS THE
NORTH COLLIER RECYCLING DROP-OFF CENTER/JOHN A.
YONKOSKY BUILDING - SCHEDULED FOR COMPLETION
SEPTEMBER 30~ 2011 AT 10500 GOODLETTE FRANK ROAD
Item #16K3
STIPULATED FINAL JUDGMENT IN AN AMOUNT OF $27,000
FOR PARCEL 168FEE AND 168TCE IN THE LAWSUIT STYLED
COLLIER COUNTY V. SCOTT FAUNCE., ET AL., CASE NO.
10-2684-CA (COLLIER BOULEVARD PROJECT #68056)
(FISCAL IMPACT: $22,905) - A .152 ACRE PARCEL FOR THE
EXPANSION OF COLLIER BOULEVARD FROM GREEN
BOULEV ARD TO GOLDEN GA TE BOULEVARD
Item #16K4
STIPULATED FINAL JUDGMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF
$241,000 FOR PARCEL 125FEE IN THE LAWSUIT STYLED
COLLIER COUNTY V. PASCAL J. MURRAY, ET. AL., CASE NO.
07-4784-CA (SANTA BARBARA BOULEVARD EXTENSION
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PROJECT #60091 (FISCAL IMPACT: $44,471) - A 1.01 ACRE
PARCEL FOR CONSTRUCTION OF ROADWAY
Item #16K5
STIPULATED FINAL JUDGMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF
$29,250 FOR PARCELS 159FEE AND 159TCE IN THE LAWSUIT
STYLED COLLIER COUNTY V. TIMOTHY MALONEY., ET AL.,
CASE NO. 10-2690-CA (COLLIER BLVD. PROJECT #68056)
(FISCAL IMPACT: $18,750.50) - A .291 ACRE PARCELFOR
EXP ANSION OF COLLIER BOULEVARD FROM GREEN
BOULEV ARD TO GOLDEN GATE BOULEV ARD
Item #16K6
RESOLUTION 2010-234: AUTHORIZING THE COLLIER
COUNTY HEAL TH FACILITIES AUTHORITY TO ISSUE
REVENUE BONDS FOR HEAL THCARE F ACILITIES AT
MOORINGS PARK - TO FUND A PORTION OF THE COSTS
NEEDED TO CONSTRUCT 29 ADDITIONAL INDEPENDENT
LIVING UNITS WITH RELATED FACILITIES AT THE
MOORING'S CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT FACILITY
Item #16K7
RESOLUTION 2010-235: AUTHORIZING THE COLLIER
COUNTY INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY TO
ISSUE REVENUE BONDS FOR HEAL THCARE F ACILITIES AT
NAPLES COMMUNITY HOSPITAL - TO HELP FUND COSTS
ASSOCIATED W/CONSTRUCTION, EQUIPMENT UPGRADES,
RENOVATIONS AND TO REFUND ALL OR A PORTION OF
CITY OF NAPLES HOSPITAL REVENUE BONDS
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Item # 16K8
RESOLUTION 2010-236: AUTHORIZING THE INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY TO ISSUE BOND
ANTICIP A TION NOTES FOR HEAL THCARE FACILITIES FOR
A CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT FACILITY KNOWN AS
THE ARLINGTON OF NAPLES - FUNDING A PORTION OF
PRE-DEVLOPMENT, ARCHITECTURAL AND MARKETING
COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH CONSTRUCTION OF THE
FACILITY ON 39-ACRES NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF
COLLIER BOULEVARD IN THE LEL Y RESORT COMMUNITY
Item #16K9
AN AMENDMENT TO ORDINANCE NO. 75-16, AS AMENDED,
RELATING TO MEETINGS OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS, CLARIFYING THE TIMEFRAME FOR
ELECTION OF A CHAIRMAN AND/OR VICE-CHAIRMAN, AS
APPLICABLE, AFTER THE GENERAL ELECTION AND
DESIGNATING WHO SHALL SERVE AS THE TEMPORARY
CHAIRMAN IN THE ABSENCE OF THE CHAIRMAN AND
VICE-CHAIRMAN WITH RESPECT TO ALL MATTERS
OUTSIDE OF MEETINGS
Item #16K10
AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO MAKE
AN OFFER OF JUDGMENT TO RESPONDENT, DDRM
COUNTRYSIDE, LLC, IN THE AMOUNT OF $155,001 FOR THE
ACQUISITION OF PARCELS 105 AND 705 IN THE LAWSUIT
STYLED COLLIER COUNTY V. HIGHLAND PROPERTIES OF
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LEE AND COLLIER LIMITED, ET AL., CASE NO. 06-0563-CA
(SANTA BARBARA BOULEVARD PROJECT #62081). (FISCAL
IMPACT: $35,101 IF ACCEPTED - LOCATED AT THE CORNER
OF RADIO RD. & SANTA BARBARA BLVD. INTERSECTION -
FOLIO #28530360001
Item # 1 7 A
RESOLUTION 2010-237: PETITION V AC-PL2010-772, TO
DISCLAIM, RENOUNCE AND VACATE THE COUNTY'S AND
PUBLIC'S INTEREST OF AN UNUSED UTILITY EASEMENT
LOCATED OVER A PORTION OF LOT 18 ON THE PLAT OF
ERINWOOD - PHASE ONE, A SUBDIVISION ACCORDING TO
THE PLAT THEREOF AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 15,
PAGES 3 AND 4, OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF COLLIER
COUNTY, FLORIDA, SITUATED IN SECTION 8, TOWNSHIP 49
SOUTH, RANGE 26 EAST, COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, AND
BEING MORE SPECIFICALLY DEPICTED & DESCRIBED IN
EXHIBIT "A" WITH THE CONDITION THAT A TEMPORARY
CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT TO ACCESS THE UTILITY
FACILITIES WILL BE GRANTED TO THE WATER-SEWER
DISTRICT UPON REQUEST AND RUNS WITH THE LAND
Item #17B
RESOLUTION 2010-238: DESIGNATING CLOSE-OUT OF TEN
(10) ADOPTED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS WHICH
HAVE FULLY COMPLETED DEVELOPMENT PURSUANT TO
THEIR DEVELOPMENT ORDERS CONSTRUCTING UP TO
THE AUTHORIZED DENSITY AND/OR INTENSITY AND
HAVE BEEN FOUND BY COUNTY STAFF TO BE COMPLIANT
WITH THEIR SPECIFIC DEVELOPER COMMITMENTS
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Item #17C
ORDINANCE 2010-44: AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 92-60,
AS AMENDED (TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX) TO
REALLOCATE ON A ONE-TIME BASIS, $1,000,000 FROM
TDC CATEGORY "A" BEACH PARK FACILITIES FUND 183
TO TOURISM PROMOTION FUND 184 TO USE FOR TOURISM
DESTINATION MARKETING AND AUTHORIZING ALL
NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENTS
Item #17D
ORDINANCE 2010-45: ESTABLISHES A MORATORIUM ON
ESTABLISHMENT OF NEW PAIN MANAGEMENT CLINICS
WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT RESTRICTS OR REGULATES
PAIN MANAGEMENT CLINICS
Item #17E
RESOLUTION 2010-239: APPROVING AMENDMENTS
(APPROPRIATING CARRY FORWARD, TRANSFERS AND
SUPPLEMENTAL REVENUE) TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2010-11
ADOPTED BUDGET
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There being no further business for the good of the County, the
meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 7:10 p.m.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS/EX
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