BCC Minutes 11/09/1999 RNovember 9, 1999
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Naples, Florida, November 9, 1999
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County Commissioners, in
and for the County of Collier, and also acting as the Board of Zoning
Appeals and as the governing board(s) of such special districts as
have been created'according to law and having conducted business
herein, met on this date at 9:00 a.m. in REGULAR SESSION in Building
"F" of the Government Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the
following members present:
ALSO PRESENT:
CHAIRWOMAN:
Pamela S. Mac'Kie
Barbara B. Berry
John C. Norris
Timothy J. Constantine
James D. Carter
Robert Fernandez, County Administrator
David Weigel, County Attorney
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COLLIER COUNTY
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
AGENDA
Tuesday, November 9, 1999
9:00 a.m.
NOTICE: ALL PERSONS WISHING TO SPEAK ON ANY AGENDA ITEM MUST REGISTER
PRIOR TO SPEAKING. SPEAKERS MUST REGISTER WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR
PRIOR TO THE PRESENTATION OF THE AGENDA ITEM TO BE ADDRESSED.
COLLIER COUNTY ORDINANCE NO. 99-22 REQUIRES THAT ALL LOBBYISTS SHALL,
BEFORE ENGAGING IN ANY LOBBYING ACTIVITIES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO,
ADDRESSING THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS), REGISTER WITH THE CLERK TO
THE BOARD AT THE BOARD MINUTES AND RECORDS DEPARTMENT.
REQUESTS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON SUBJECTS WHICH ARE NOT ON THIS AGENDA
MUST BE SUBMITTED IN WRITING WITH EXPLANATION TO THE COUNTY
ADMINISTRATOR AT LEAST 13 DAYS PRIOR TO THE DATE OF THE MEETING AND WILL BE
HEARD UNDER "PUBLIC PETITIONS".
ANY PERSON WHO DECIDES TO APPEAL A DECISION OF THIS BOARD WILL NEED A
RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS PERTAINING THERETO, AND THEREFORE MAY NEED TO
ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD
INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.
ALL REGISTERED PUBLIC SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE (5) MINUTES UNLESS
PERMISSION FOR ADDITIONAL TIME IS GRANTED BY THE CHAIRWOMAN.
IF YOU ARE A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY WHO NEEDS ANY ACCOMMODATION IN
ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCEEDING, YOU ARE ENTITLED, AT NO COST TO YOU,
TO THE PROVISION OF CERTAIN ASSISTANCE. PLEASE CONTACT THE COLLIER COUNTY
FACILITIES MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT LOCATED AT 3301 EAST TAMIAMI TRAIL,
NAPLES, FLORIDA, 34112, (941) 774-8380; ASSISTED LISTENING DEVICES FOR THE HEARING
IMPAIRED ARE AVAILABLE IN THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' OFFICE.
LUNCH RECESS SCHEDULED FOR 12:00 NOON TO 1:00 P.M.
1. INVOCATION - Minister Art Holt, Unity of Naples Church
2. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDAS
A. APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA.
B. APPROVAL OF SUMMARY AGENDA.
C. APPROVAL OF REGULAR AGENDA.
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4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. October 12, 1999 - Regular Meeting
B. October 14, 1999 - Emergency Meeting
C. October 20, 1999 - Special Meeting
5. PROCLAMATIONS AND SERVICE AWARDS
A. PROCLAMATIONS
1)
Proclamation proclaiming Tuesday, November 16, 1999 as Neapolitan
Civitan Day. To be accepted by Mr. Sydney Fishman, Past International
President, Civitan International; Mr. Ronald Estabrook, President,
Neapolitan Civitan Club; Mr. John Lawson, President Elect, Neapolitan
Civitan Club; and Ms. Corinne Hartfield, Founding Member, Neapolitan
Civitan Club
2)
Proclamation proclaiming the Month of November as Collier County
Adoption Month. To be accepted by Ms. Theresa lamurri, President,
Adoption Task Force of Southwest Florida
3) Proclamation proclaiming November 21-27, 1999 as Farm-City Week. To be
accepted by Mrs. Liesa Priddy, Chairman, Farm-City Committee.
4)
Proclamation designating November 20, 1999 as Free Day, State Park
Recognition Day within Collier County and proclaiming November 1999 be
celebrated as Florida State Parks month, voted America's best. To be
accepted by Greg Toppin.
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SERVICE AWARDS
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
Janet Go, Pollution Control
Sonia Grafton, Building Review
EMERGENCY SERVICES
Maureen Matthews, EMS
PUBLIC SERVICES
Clair Oss, Library
PUBLIC WORKS
Stephen Nagy, Wastewater
Marc Frazzano, Wastewater
Michael Farrell, Transportation
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5 Years
10 Years
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10 Years
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PRESENTATIONS
1) Recommendation to recognize John Augustyn, Plant Operator II, Water
Department, as Employee of the Month for November 1999.
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APPROVAL OF CLERK'S REPORT
A. ANALYSIS OF CHANGES TO RESERVES FOR CONTINGENCIES.
PUBLIC PETITIONS
COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT
A. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT & ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES
1) Request by Jeanine Novello representing the Exceptional Student
Education Office of Collier County Public Schools for a waiver of the
application fee for a Temporary Use Permit.
2) Street name revision for Landfill Road to White Lake Boulevard.
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To present the Bayshore/Gateway Triangle Redevelopment Plan
prepared by Landers-Atkins Planners Inc. and to direct staff to begin
implementation of the plan.
B. PUBLIC WORKS
Report on additional Landscaping Improvements for the recently
completed Davis Boulevard Phase II Beautification Project (Airport-
Pulling Road to County Barn Road), Project No. 60013.
C. PUBLIC SERVICES
Review options relating to lease between Collier County and the Gulf
Coast Skimmers Water Ski Show, Inc. (GCS), including possible shared
use of Lake Avalon and other leased facilities by two factions within GCS,
suspension of Lessee's operations, or termination of the lease agreement.
Approval of a personal grant from the Friends of the Library to institute
a formal literacy program within the Collier County Public Library
system.
D. SUPPORT SERVICES
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COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR
1) Adoption of Policies and Organizational Changes to enhance the
efficiency of future road projects.
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Request to enhance vacation time to promote longevity and employee
retention.
F. AIRPORT AUTHORITY
G. EMERGENCY SERVICES
9. COUNTY ATTORNEY'S REPORT
10. BOARD
A.
B.
C.
D.
OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
County Administrator's Evaluation.
Appointment of member to the Affordable Housing Commission.
Appointment of members to the County Government Productivity Committee.
Discussion and possible direction regarding the Immokalee Road design and
water quality swale. (Commissioner Mac'Kie)
11. OTHER ITEMS
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A. OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS
B. PUBLIC COMMENT ON GENERAL TOPICS
PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE HEARD IMMEDIATEI,Y FOI,I,OWING STAFF
ITEMS
12. ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARINGS - BCC
A. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS
B. ZONING AMENDMENTS
Petition PUD 98-16(1) David R. Underhill, Jr., P.E., of Banks
Engineering, Inc., representing U.S. Home Corporation, requesting a
rezone from "PUD" to "PUD" known as Cedar Hammock PUD for the
purpose of amending the PUD document having the effect of revising the
roadway cross sections and applicable text of the PUD document to
substitute two, four foot wide bike lanes for a required five foot wide
sidewalk on one side of Cedar Hammock Boulevard, a local street and to
allow sidewalks required on both sides of a local street to be placed on
one side of Cedar Hammock Boulevard, for property located south of
Davis Boulevard and west of C.R. 951, in Section 3, Township 50 South,
Range 25 East, Collier County, Florida, consisting of 418+/-acres.
Petition PUD 99-12, Mr. Michael R. Fernandez of Planning Development,
Inc., representing Marian H. Gerace, Trustee, requesting a rezone from
"A" Agricultural to "PUD" Planned Unit Development to be known as
Banyan Woods PUD allowing for 342 dwelling units and conditional uses
for a church and/or assisted living facility (ALF) for property located on
the east side of Airport Pulling Road (C.R. 31) and south of the Carillon
PUD, in Section 13, Township 49 South, Range 25 East, Collier County,
Florida, Florida consisting of 48.87 acres more or less.
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C. OTHER
13. BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
A. ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARINGS
Petition CU-99-08, Emilio J. Robau, PE, of RWA, Inc., representing Jassy Real
Estate Investments, Inc., requesting conditional use "17" of the "A" zoning
district for a golf course in Section 24, Township 50 South, Range 27 East,
Collier County, Florida, consisting of 313.56+/- acres.
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Petition CU 99-16, R. Bruce Anderson representing SR 846 Land Trust,
requesting the approval of a conditional use for an earth mining activity on a
parcel of land zoned "A" Agricultural located on the west side of Immokalee
Road approximately 1.5 miles north of the County fair grounds and further
described as Sections 1 and 2, Township 48 South, Range 27 East and Sections
35 and 36, Township 47 South, Range 27 East, Collier County Florida. This
parcel consists of approximately 2,564 acres.
B. OTHER
14. STAFF'S COMMUNICATIONS
15. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' COMMUNICATIONS
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16. CONSENT AGENDA - All matters listed under this item are considered to be
routine and action will be taken by one motion without separate discussion of each
item. If discussion is desired by a member of the Board, that item(s) will be removed
from the Consent Agenda and considered separately.
A. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT & ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES
1)
Petition C-99-10, Terry Wolfson, President, Collier County Agricultural Fair
and Exposition, Inc., requesting a permit to conduct the annual Collier County
Agricultural Fair on January 7 through 15, 2000, at the Collier County Fair
Grounds located on Immokalee Road (SR-846) North Golden Gate.
B. PUBLIC WORKS
1) Approve Change Order related to the Reclaimed Water Back Pressure
Sustaining Valves Project, Contract 98-2874, Project 74020.
2)
Approve a Budget Amendment to transfer funds to cover Construction
Management and Inspection in fiscal year 2000 for the Proposed Pathway on
U.S. 41. Project #61009.
3)
Recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners approve the staff
selection of firms, authorize staff to negotiate Agreements with firms for the
Fixed Term Material Testing Services (RFP 99-2962) and extend the existing
Agreement (RFP 95-2388) for sixty days.
4)
Approve Professional Services Agreement with Tilden Lobnitz Cooper, Inc.
and Anchor Engineering Consultants, Inc. for the Fixed Term
Mechanical/Electrical Engineering Services (RFP #99-2929).
5)
Approve Amendment to Work Order TLC-ME-98-2, to provide additional
Engineering Services for Master Pumping Stations Motor Control
Renovations, Project 73044.
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7)
9)
1o)
11)
12)
13)
Accept a Utility Easement for irrigation facilities for the beautification of the
lmmokalee Road median.
That the Board of County Commissioners (BCC) direct staff to initia,e
Amendment of the County-Wide Lighting District Ordinance for the purpose
of providing street lighting in certain areas of Collier County.
Approval of a Budget Amendment in the Clam Bay Restoration Fund.
Approve Work Order Amendment #WMBP-FT-99-03-A01 for Fixed Term
Professional Engineering Services related to the Signalization Design of
Livingston Road (Radio Road to Golden Gate Parkway).
Approve Change Order No. 1 (C) (Final) to Contract No. 97-2771, Removal of
Non-Specification Material from the Naples Beach.
Rejection of Bid 98o2851 for purchase of chemicals for Odor and Hydrogen
Sulfide Control.
Recommendation to execute the Notices of Claim of Lien for the enforcement
of the Notice To Pay Sewer Impact Fee for certain properties located in the
former Rookery Bay Sewer Service Area.
Approve an Agreement to purchase a Wind Based Odor Control System for
the Naples Landfill and authorize the Chairwoman to sign the Agreement.
C. PUBLIC SERVICES
1) This item has been deleted.
2) Approve an agreement for sale and purchase for additional property needed to
complete the future North Naples Regional Park.
3)
Approval of additions to agreements and run-time Library use License
Agreement between Data Research Associates, Inc. and Collier County Board of
County Commissioners.
4) This item has been deleted.
5) Approve a budget amendment for the purchase of the Roberts Ranch property.
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6)
7)
Approve a budget amendment to fund construction of a neighborhood park.
Approve a resolution establishing policies and procedures for indigent burials
and cremation and direct staff to negotiate an agreement with willing area
funeral homes.
D. SUPPORT SERVICES
1)
Authorization of Work Order VL-00-1 Under the County's Annual
Architectural Contracts for Victor J. Latavish, AIA to Design a Satellite
Building at the Golden Gate Government Center Complex.
2) Approval of Robey-Barber Insurance Services, Inc. as the County's Group
Health Claims Administration Company.
3)
Approve a Budget Amendment for Accessibility (ADA) Requirements for the
Fourth Floor of the Courthouse and to Provide a "High Technology
Courtroom".
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COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR
1) Budget Amendment Report - Budget Amendment #00-023; #00-024; #00-038;
#00-037.
F. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
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G. EMERGENCY SERVICES
H. MISCELLANEOUS CORRESPONDENCE
1) Miscellaneous items to file for record with action as directed
I. OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS
1)
A Resolution authorizing the borrowing of an amount not to exceed $3,060,000
from the pooled commercial paper loan program to construct a Domestic Animal
Services facility.
J. COUNTY ATTORNEY
1)
A Resolution authorizing as a valid public purpose, expenditures of funds for
County Commissioners to attend functions of fraternal, business, environmental,
educational, charitable, social, professional, trade, homeowners, ethnic, and civic
associations / organizations.
2) To provide a legal defense for a county employee pursuant to Collier County
Resolution No. 95-632.
K. AIRPORT AUTHORITY
17. SUMMARY AGENDA - THIS SECTION IS FOR ADVERTISED PUBLIC
HEARINGS AND MUST MEET THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA: 1) A
RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FROM STAFF; 2) UNANIMOUS
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RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL BY THE COLLIER COUNTY
PLANNING COMMISSION OR OTHER AUTHORIZING AGENCIES OF ALL
MEMBERS PRESENT AND VOTING; 3) NO WRITTEN OR ORAL
OBJECTIONS TO THE ITEM RECEIVED BY STAFF, THE COLLIER
COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, OTHER AUTHORIZING AGENCIES OR
THE BOARD, PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE BCC MEETING
ON WHICH THE ITEMS ARE SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD; AND 4) NO
INDIVIDUALS ARE REGISTERED TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE
ITEM.
Approval of an Ordinance amending Ordinance Number 99-46 (The Land
Development Code) to correct a scriveners error due to the omission of an
amendment to facilitate the administrative approval of preliminary subdivision
plats heard and approved at a Public Hearing on June 16, 1999.
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Petition PUD 95-12(1), Mr. Robert Duane, AICP, of Hole, Montes & Associates,
Inc., representing the First Baptist Church of Naples, requesting an amendment to a
previously approved "PUD" namely the First Baptist Church of Naples PUD for the
purpose of increasing the maximum building height and to add a museum as an
accessory use for property located on the west side of Livingston Road and the east
end of Orange Blossom Drive in Section 1, Township 49 South, Range 25 East,
Collier County, Florida.
Petition CU 99-24, Jerry Neal of Purse Associates Inc., representing Capri Christian
Church, Inc. requesting approval of a conditional use for the expansion of an
existing church located at the corner Capri Boulevard and Hilo Drive on Isles of
Capri.
Petition V-99-17, Ana L. Aleman, representing lrais and Nancy Pando, requesting
an after-the-fact variance of 5 feet from the required side yard setback of 30 feet to
25 feet for property located at 4860 Sycamore Drive, further described as the east
half of Tract 120, Unit 34, Golden Gate Estates, Collier County, Florida.
Petition V 99-18, Jim Titsch, of Titsch & Associates Architects, representing
Freeland & Schuh, Inc., requesting a 10-foot front yard variance to 15 feet from the
required 25-foot front yard setback for property located at 1229 Airport-Pulling
Road, known as Freeland Nissan Automotive Dealership in Section 36, Township 49
South, Range 25 East, Collier County, Florida.
Petition VAC 99-13 to vacate a 10' wide drainage easement on Lot 5, according to
the plat of"Bayfront Gardens", as recorded in plat book 14, pages 114 through 117,
Public Records of Collier County, Florida and to accept a 10' wide drainage
easement as a replacement easement on said Lot 5, located in Section 6, Township
48 South, Range 25 East.
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18. ADJOURN
INQUIRIES CONCERNING CHANGES TO THE BOARD'S AGENDA SHOULD BE
MADE TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE AT 774-8383.
AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
ISSUES WILL BE HELD IMMEDL4TEL Y FOLLOWING THE REGULAR
BOARD MEETING.
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Item #3
REGULAR AGENDA, CONSENT AGENDA AND SUMMARY AGENDA - APPROVED AND/OR
ADOPTED WITH CHANGES
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: We'll call to order the meeting of the Board
of County Commissioners for Tuesday, November 9th, 1999. We're
honored today to have Ms. Susie Freeman from Unity of Naples Church to
offer invocation.
If you'll stand after the invocation, we'll have our pledge of
allegiance.
MS. FREEMAN: Good morning.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Good morning.
MS. FREEMAN: Lord, we thank you for blessing the Collier County
Board of Commissioners and acknowledge your presence here today,
acting in and through each one of us, filling us with your infinite
wisdom and divine guidance.
We give thanks for the roles of responsibility you have provided
each member of this governing body and all others here to conduct the
affairs of Collier County.
We ask that you lead each person here in making wise decisions,
and create harmony and a oneness of purpose in all our endeavors,
today and in the days to come.
Help us all to remember that we are here to serve in the highest
and best ways possible the community needs of all our citizens.
We are grateful for the opportunities for growth that we share,
and move forward eagerly anticipating the good that awaits the county
of Collier. Thank you, God. Amen.
(Pledge of Allegiance was recited in unison.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you, ma'am.
***Mr. Fernandez, any changes to our agenda, this morning.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Good morning, commissioners.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Good morning.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Changes to this morning's agenda are as follows:
First is to add item 8(A) (4). It's a proposed legislation for
Administration of telecommunications flat tax at state level.
8 (A) --
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: 8 (A) (4)
MR. FERNANDEZ: 8(A) (4).
Okay, the next is to add item 8(B)(2). This is a request,
approval to waive landfill disposal fees for construction debris from
the Build a Home for George project in Immokalee. This normally would
have been a consent item, but I believe the board had asked that we
not add consent items the morning of the meeting, so we have it on the
regular portion of the agenda.
The next is item 10(E), benefit concert to collect food for those
in need during the holidays. Request of Commissioner Constantine.
I'd like to ask that the board withdraw item 10(B) -- I'm sorry,
12(B) (1), Petition PUD 98-16(1). U.S. Home Corporation, requesting a
rezone from PUD to PUD, known as Cedar Hammock PUD.
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CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: They're withdrawing that, not continuing?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Right, withdrawing that one.
The next is to continue to the November 23rd meeting Item
16(B)10. This item is to approve the change order No. I-C, the final,
to contract No. 97-2771, removal of non-specification material from
the Naples Beach. We received some additional information and we'd
like to consider that information before bringing this item back
before the board.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: When you bring that back, would you
put that on the regular agenda, too? Because I had pulled that. MR. FERNANDEZ: Okay.
The next is to continue Item 17(A) to the December 14th meeting.
This is the approval of an ordinance amending Ordinance No. 99-46,
Land Development Code, to correct a scrivener's error due to an
omission of an amendment to facilitate the administrative approval of
preliminary subdivision plans.
And then finally, we have -- Item 13(A) (1) has been requested for
time certain. The request is to have that item heard after the lunch
break. It's petition CU-99-08, requesting conditional use 17 of the
"A" zoning district for golf course.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay any other changes? Mr. Weigel, do you
have any agenda changes?
MR. WEIGEL: No, I don't, thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Commissioner Berry?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: None.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Commissioner Norris?
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: No changes.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Commissioner Carter?
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Yes, I have one addition. I believe this
will be 8-5 -- 8(A) (5). It is to bring back for reconsideration first
development funding for Southwest Heritage, Inc., regarding
advertising promotion on the Lionel Train museum. It was incorrectly
stated as to the category in the executive summary last time. And for
proper processing procedure, I'm bringing it back to the board. No
matter what they decide, we will have decided it in the right
category.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Question on that. For consideration,
and you may have followed it, but is there a procedure we're supposed
to do, Mr. Weigel?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, we could add it on the agenda and then
we'll vote on it at the time to determine whether or not to
reconsider.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Can reconsideration be added without a
written thing? Because I got hassled on that once before. I just
don't want that to happen again here.
MR. WEIGEL: Right, right.
Well, technically reconsideration does require a matter to be
brought to the county administrator's attention prior to coming onto
the agenda. The question is, and I appreciate, I had a slight
discussion going here, if you could restate the type of review that
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you're looking to do here, because it may not fall under the technical
reconsideration. I'd like to assist you, but -- I'm sorry,
Commissioner Carter --
COMMISSIONER CARTER: We want to bring that back on the 23rd.
MR. WEIGEL: Which item was that?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: The Lionel Train tourist development --
COMMISSIONER CARTER: The Lionel Train -- regarding advertising
promotion of the Lionel Train toy train museum. MR. WEIGEL: Okay.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I don't have any objection if the
board wants to put it on today. I just want to make sure, because
I've got called on that process once before. I want to make sure we
don't trip ourselves up.
MR. WEIGEL: Right. Based on the information I've received on
this item, the consideration to be made is a different consideration
than that consideration and determination that was made at the
previous meeting. And so it may be placed on the agenda apart from
application of the reconsideration ordinance.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay, great. Thank you. The answer was
it's okay.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: The answer is yes, right?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Commissioner Constantine, any agenda -- was
that all, Commissioner Carter?
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Yes.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And Commissioner Constantine?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Two things. 16(D) (2), I'd like to
remove and put on the regular agenda.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: D as in Delta.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: D as in Delta.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: 16(D) (2)?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: D, Delta.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So that will be 8(D) (1).
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: And also, when we vote on the consent
agenda, my -- let it be reflected my vote on 16(B)13 is a no. I will
be supporting the balance of the consent agenda.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay, and I don't have any changes except --
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: I'll make a motion that we approve the --
MR. FERNANDEZ: Madam Chairwoman?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I'm sorry.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Excuse me, before you consider a motion, Ms.
Student had asked that we accept some information into the record on a
summary agenda item. It's not a request to pull it off the summary
agenda, but just add to the record.
MS. STUDENT: Good morning, commissioners. For the record,
Marjorie Student, assistant county attorney.
It's item B on the summary agenda, the First Baptist Church PUD.
Mr. Duane is here. He provided you with copies of the change anyway,
but I just wanted to state for the record, it had to do with
transportation commitments and impact fees, that those changes should
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be properly considered a part of the record. And I understand he did
provide them to you. Thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you.
Now a motion.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Okay. I'll move that we approve the
consent agenda summary agenda and regular agenda, with the changes as
noted.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER CARTER:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
Could I get a second?
Second.
Ail in favor, please say aye.
That passes unanimously.
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NOVEMBER 9. 1~.9
ADD: ITEM 8(AX4) - PROPOSED LEGISLATION FOR ADMINISTRATION OF
TELECOMMUNICATIONS FLAT TAX AT STATE LEVEL. (STAFF'S REQUEST).
ADD: ITEM gfB)(2) - REQUEST APPROVAL TO WAIVE LANDFILL DISPOSAL FEES FOR
CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS FROM THE "BUILD A HOME FOR GEORGE PROJECT'
IMMOICALEE. (STAFF'S REQUEST).
ADD: ITEM 10(~)~ BENEFIT CONCERT TO COLLECT FOOD FOR THOSE IN NEED DURING
THE HOLIDAYS. (COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE).
WITHDRAW: ITEM 12(B)(1)_-_ PETITION PUD 911-16(1} US HOME CORPORATION REQUESTING
A REZONE FROM PUD TO PUD KNOWN AS CEDAR HAMMOCK PUD FOR THE PURPOSE OF
AMENDING THE PUD DOCUMENT HAVING THE EFFECT OF REVISING THE ROADWAY
CROSS SECTIONS AND APPLICABLE TEXT OF THE PUD DOC~T TO SUBSTITUTE TWO,
FOUR FOOT WIDE BIKE LANES FOR REQUIRED FIVE FOOT WIDE SIDEWALl( ON ONE SIDE
OF CEDAR HAMMOCK BLVD. (PETITIONER'S REQUEST).
CONTINUE TO 11/23 MEETING: ITEM 16(B)I'I0)_- APPROVE CHANGE ORDER NO. I(C)(FINAL)
TO CONTRACT NO, 97-2771, REMOVAL OF NON-SPECIFICATION MATERIAL FROM THE
NAPLES BEACH. (COUNTY A]'I'ORNEY'S REQUEST).
CONTINUE: ITEM {?(A) TO 1:~/}4 b4EJETI~{O .- APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING
ORDINANCE NO. 99-,16 (THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE) TO CORRECT A SCRIVENERS
ERROR DUll TO THE OMISSION OF AN AMENDMENT TO FACILITATE THE ADMINISTRATIVE
APPROVAL OF PRELIMINARY SUBDIVlSlON PLATS. (STAFF'S REQUEST).
NOTE: ITE~ 13fAXI) - REQUEST THIS ITEM BE I-I~ARD AFTER THE LUNCH BREAK
Pt~-~i'rlON C~99-08, REQUESTING CONDITIONAL USE "17" OF THE "A" ZONFNO DISTRICT
£OR A ~OLF£OURSE
November 9, 1999
Item
MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 12, 1999 REGULAR MEETING, OCTOBER 14, 1999
EMERGENCY MEETING AND OCTOBER 20, 1999 SPECIAL MEETING - APPROVED AS
PRESENTED
And now minutes.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: And I'll approve minutes of October 12th
regular meeting, October 14th emergency meeting, and October 20th
special meeting.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
Second.
Ail in favor, please say aye.
That passes unanimously.
Item #5A1
PROCLAMATION PROCLAIMING TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 1999, AS NEAPOLITAN
CIVITAN DAY - ADOPTED
We can move to proclamations. Commissioner Carter.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Yes, the first is for -- and I believe I'm
saying this correctly, the Neapolitan Civitan; is that correct?
Civitan Club. And we have representatives here: Sidney Fishman, past
international president; Ronald Estabrook, president; and Mr. John
Lawson, president elect; and Ms. Connie (sic) Hartfield, founding
member.
Will those people please come forward this morning?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you for being here. Good morning. If
you would, just stand in front of the dais and face the cameras.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Face the cameras. This is just like the
morning show.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
another founding member.
COMMISSIONER CARTER:
Civitan.
MR. FISHMAN:
Civitan.
COMMISSIONER CARTER:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
name is Corinne.
COMMISSIONER CARTER:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER CARTER:
Wonderful. Who's name -- Doris Fishman is
Thank you for being here.
And am I pronouncing that correctly, sir,
Civitan.
And Jim, Ms. Hartfield also pointed out, her
Corinne. Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you all for being here.
WHEREAS, the Neapolitan Civitan Club was chartered in 1989, 10
years ago; and
WHEREAS, the Neapolitan Civitan Club is part of an international
organization with the motto "builders of good citizenship"; and.
WHEREAS, the Neapolitan Civitan Club is to be recognized as an
honor club of excellence; and
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WHEREAS, the club participates in a variety of programs and
projects aimed at meeting the needs of the community, such as funding
scholarships for summer youth, fundraising for public television,
building playgrounds for children and scholarships for Step-by-Step;
and
WHEREAS, the club's emphasis is helping people with developmental
disabilities locally, with 100 percent of its candy box proceeds going
to help individuals with development disabilities; and
WHEREAS, Civitan funds the Civitan International Research Center,
a research and treatment facility for individuals with disabilities,
located at the University of Alabama at Birmingham; and
WHEREAS, Civitan provides direct support to the local programs of
Special Olympics and to the programs of TECH of Collier County as part
of its major emphasis; and
WHEREAS, the Neapolitan Civitan Club will celebrate its tenth
anniversary on November the 16th by awarding grants to local
organizations who support and assist individuals with development
disabilities.
NOW THEREFORE, be it proclaimed by the Board of County
Commissioners of Collier County, Florida, that Tuesday, the 16th of
November, 1999 be designated as Neapolitan Civitan Day.
DONE AND ORDERED THIS 9th day of November, 1999, Board of County
Commissioners, Collier County, Florida, Pamela S. Mac'Kie, Chairwoman.
Madam Chair, I move that we accept this proclamation.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Second that.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: All in favor, please say aye.
Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That passes unanimously. Thank you.
(Applause.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you so much.
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PR 0 CLA MA TION
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NOW
DONE AND
the Neapolitan Civitan Club was chartered in 1989, ten years ago; and,
the Neapolitan Civitan Club is part of an international organization with the
motto, "Builders of Good Citizenship"; and,
the Neapolitan Civitan Club is to be recognized as an Honor Club of
Excellence; and,
the Club participates in a variety of programs and projects aimed at meeting
the needs of the community such as funding scholarships for summer youth,
fund-raising for public television, building playgrounds for chitdren and
scholarships for Step by Step; and,
the Club's emphasis is helping people with developmental disabilities locally
with 1 O0 percent of its Candy Box Project proceeds going to help individuals
with developmental disabilities; and,
Civitan funds the Civitan
treatment
Alabama at
Research Center, a research and
located at the University of
to the
County Corn
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'Special Olympics and
major emphasis;
on November
of Collier
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COMMISSIONERS
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November 9, 1999
Item #5A2
PROCLAMATION PROCLAIMING THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER AS COLLIER COUNTY
ADOPTION MONTH - ADOPTED
Commissioner Constantine also has a proclamation this morning.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Theresa Iamurri, who's president of
the Adoption Task Force of Southwest Florida, is here to accept this.
And Debbie Allen, our very own.
And the proclamation reads as follows:
WHEREAS, every child has the right to grow in a secure, loving
family, and adoption is a positive way to build a family; and
WHEREAS, the Adoption Task Force of Southwest Florida,
Incorporated is a collaborative effort of community agencies and
individuals to create and increase awareness of adoption; and
WHEREAS, the Adoption Task Force of Southwest Florida, Inc.'s
purpose is to provide resources and education on the various aspects
of adoption and to promote positive attitudes towards adoption; and
WHEREAS, adoption brings untold benefits to Collier County
residents that are affected by the adoption process. This includes
benefits to birth parents, adoptive parents, and the children placed
in adoptive homes, as well as their extended families -- and future
spouses, I might add; my wife is adopted.
WHEREAS, crisis pregnancy is a problem in Collier County, and
adoption is a positive option that is not always considered, due to
the lack of awareness and education.
NOW THEREFORE, be it proclaimed by the Board of County
Commissioners of Collier County, Florida that the month of November,
1999 be designated as Collier County Adoption Month. In honor of this
event, we encourage citizens, community agencies, religious
organizations, businesses and others to celebrate adoption and honor
the families that grow through adoption.
DONE AND ORDERED THIS 9th day of November, 1999, Board of County
Commissioners of Collier County, Florida, Pamela S. Mac'Kie,
Chairwoman.
Madam Chair, I'd like to make a motion we approve this
proclamation.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Second.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Ail in favor, please say aye.
Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That passes unanimously.
(Applause.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Feel free to say a word, if you'd like.
MS. IAMURRI: I just want to thank you all for seeing adoption as
such a positive outlook for all of the county and state-wide. And I
as an adoptive parent can appreciate all the aspects and avenues of
adoption and how much it leads all of us to a deeper love of all of
society.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you so much.
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(Applause.)
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PR O.CLAMA TION
WHEREAS,
WHEREAS,
WHEREAS,
WHEREAS,
every child has the right to grow in a secure, loving family and adoption is a
positive way to build a family; and,
the Adoption Task Force of Southwest Florida, Inc. is a collaborative effort of
community agencies and individuals to create and increase awareness of
adoption; and,
the Adoption Task Force of Southwest Florida, Inc. 's purpose is to provide
resources and education on the various aspects of adoption and to promote
positive attitudes towards adoption; and,
adoption brings untold benefits to Collier County residents that are affected by
the adoption process. This includes benefits to birth parents, adoptive parents
and the children placed in adoptive homes as well as their extended families;
and,
crisis pregnancy is a problem in Collier County and adoption is a positive
option that is not to a lack of awareness and education.
NOW THEREFORE,
DONE AND
1999.
of Collier
· religious
the
S. MAC'KIE,
November 9, 1999
Item #5A3
PROCLAMATION PROCLAIMING NOVEMBER 21-27, 1999 AS FARM-CITY WEEK -
ADOPTED
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And now, Commissioner Berry, who sort of
stands for Farm-City. If you would -- I think she has a proclamation.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Is she wearing her boots today?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: She's got her boots on today, I know she
does.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I don't know, Liesa, what do you think?
They just don't get it, do they?
COMMISSIONER CARTER: I don't know, I saw the tractor downstairs.
I think we're okay.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Make fun, make fun.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Uh-uh. It's a high compliment.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: You bet your life. This is one of the
favorite times of the year in Collier County. And anyone that's ever
experienced Farm-City Day, you're in for another treat this year. And
it's my pleasure to read this proclamation:
WHEREAS, November 21st to the 27th is National Farm-City Week, a
time set aside to recognize and honor the contributions of our
country's agriculturalists and to strengthen the bond between urban
and rural citizens; and
WHEREAS, in Collier County the high point of Farm-City Week is
the annual Farm-City barbeque, sponsored through the efforts of
Collier County's University Extension Service, Collier County Farm
Bureau, the Barron Collier Companies, and the Golden Gate, Immokalee
and Naples Area Chambers of Commerce; and
WHEREAS, agriculture is an important element in Collier County's
economic machine, with total economic activity of over 300 million
annually; and
WHEREAS, Collier County ranks 21st nationally out of the nations
3,150 counties in total value of crops sold; and
WHEREAS, the Board of Collier County Commissioners supports local
agriculture through programs, including cooperation with the
University of Florida's Cooperative Extension Service; and
WHEREAS, we encourage all citizens to pause to recognize the
contributions of our local farmers and ranchers to our economy, our
food supply and our society.
NOW THEREFORE, be it proclaimed by the Board of County
Commissioners of Collier County, Florida, that on behalf of the
citizens of Collier County, great appreciation and honor is owed to
all of this county's agriculturalists, and that November 21st through
the 27th, 1999 be designated as Farm-City Week.
DONE AND ORDERED THIS 9th day of November, 1999, Board of County
Commissioners, Collier County, Florida, Pamela S. Mac'Kie, Chairwoman.
It is my pleasure to move this proclamation.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Second.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Second.
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November 9, 1999
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
(Applause.)
Ail in favor, please say aye.
That passes unanimously.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Oh, man, look at that. Tomatoes, peppers.
MS. PRIDDY: Just to remind you that we would like for you to
attend -- members of my committee from the Naples Chamber and from the
extension office --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Excuse me, Liesa, could you start again?
Because we couldn't hear you.
MS. PRIDDY: Sure. In appreciation for the proclamation and to
make sure that we gave you a remainder to attend the Farm-City
barbeque, we wanted to present you with a basket of vegetables and
fruit. And they were presented by members of my committee from the
Naples Chamber and from the extension office. Thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you so much.
(Applause.)
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PR O'CLAMA TION
WHEREAS,
WHEREAS,
WHEREAS,
WHEREAS,
November 21-27 is National Farm-City Week, a time set aside to recognize
and honor the contributions of our country's agriculturalists and to
strengthen the bond between urban and rural citizens; and,
in Collier County the highpoint of Farm-City Week is the annual Farm-City
Barbecue, sponsored through the efforts of Collier County's University
Extension Service, Collier County Farm Bureau, the Barron Collier
Companies and the Golden Gate, Immokalee and Naples Area Chambers of
Commerce; and,
agriculture is an important element in Collier County's economic machine,
with total economic activity of over $300,000,000.00 annually; and,
Collier County ranks
value
's 3,150 counties in total
WHEREAS, the
unty agriculture
of Florida's
WHEREAS,
of our local
society.
County of Collier
citizens great
hoi~"~'owed to all of this and that
DONE AND ORDERED THIS 9th
1999.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
November 9, 1999
Item #5A4
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING NOVEMBER 20, 1999, AS FREE DAY, STATE PARK
RECOGNITION DAY - ADOPTED
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay, the next proclamation is for State
Park Free Day. We have Greg Toppin and Karen Lacuita (sic) here, if
you'd come forward, and tell me how close I came to pronouncing your
name correctly.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Apparently not that close.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Not close.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: I think she blew it, Karen.
MS. LACIVITA: My name is Karen Lacivita, and I'm the assistant
park manager of Wiggins Pass.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Lacivita. They put a U down here. Karen
Lacivita and Greg Toppin.
The proclamation reads:
WHEREAS, Florida's massive and diverse state park system, with
over 500,000 acres and 151 park properties, has recognized national
recognition for its state parks partnerships, its cutting edge
resource management recreation programs, and its innovative
eco-tourism marketing initiatives; and
WHEREAS, more than 1,900 public and private partners have been
recruited, including the county and local governments within Collier
County, along with private businesses and citizens of Collier County
who help provide expanded resource-based recreational opportunities
for the 1.5 million annual visitors to Florida state parks; and
WHEREAS, some 60 citizen support organizations support Florida
state park system, including the Friends of Fakahatchee Strand,
Friends of Wiggins Pass and Friends of Collier Seminole State Park.
And volunteers last year provided 760,000 hours of service, equivalent
to 365 full-time employees. That's volunteer service.
WHEREAS, in addition to preserving one-half million acres of
Florida's finest, most pristine natural areas for enjoyment by this
and future generations, Florida state park system has direct, positive
economic impact of 273 million dollars, and has created 8,100 jobs for
Florida communities; and
WHEREAS, recently at the National Recreation and Park Association
annual congress meeting in Nashville, Tennessee, the National Sporting
Goods Association awarded the prestigious 1999 State Parks Gold Medal
to Florida's state park system, recognizing it as the best state park
system in all 50 states; and
WHEREAS, the Governor and Cabinet, sitting as the board of
trustees of the internal improvement and trust fund, which holds title
to these lands on behalf of Florida citizens, has proclaimed that the
entire month of November, 1999 be celebrated in honor of Florida's
state parks, voted America's Best, and authorized the Department of
Environmental Protection to celebrate and publicize the excellence of
Florida's state park system by designating November 20th, 1999 as Free
Day, when park entrance fees will be waived for all visitors.
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NOW THEREFORE, be it proclaimed by the Board of County
Commissioners of Collier County, Florida that the 20th of November,
1999 be designated as State Park Recognition Day in Collier County.
DONE AND ORDERED THIS 9th day of November, 1999, Board of County
Commissioners, Pamela Mac'Kie, Chairwoman.
I'd like to move acceptance of this proclamation.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Second.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: All in favor, please say aye.
Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That passes unanimously.
Thank you, and congratulations. Best in the country, wow.
(Applause.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: If anybody has to word, please feel welcome.
MR. TOPPIN: Yeah, Florida's state park would just like to take
this opportunity to thank all of the citizens of Collier County for
their continued support and efforts throughout the many years that
Florida state parks have been in Collier County. We appreciate it
very much and we couldn't do the great job without your help. Thank
you very much.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you. And we appreciate you.
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PROCLAMATION
WHEREAS,
Florida's massive and diverse state park system with over 500,000 acres and
151 park properties, has received national recognition for its state parks
partnerships, its cutting edge resource management, recreation programs, and
its innovative ecotourism marketing initiatives; and,
WHEREA&
more than 1,900 public and private partners have been recruited including the
County and Local governments within Collier County along with private
business and citizens of Collier County who help provide expanded resource-
based recreational opportunities for the 1.5 million annual visitors to
Florida's state parks; and,
WHEREAS,
some 60 citizen support organizations support Florida's state park system,
including the Friends of Fakahatchee Strand, Friends of Wiggins Pass, and
Friends of Collier-Seminole State Park and volunteers last year provided
760,000 hours of service equivalent to 36S full-time employees; and,
WHEREAS, in addition to preserving one-half million acres of Florida's finest, most
pristine natural areas for enjoyment by this and future generations, Florida's
state park system has direct positive economic impact of 273 million dollars
attd has created 8,100jobs for Florida's communities; and, ,,~'
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WHEREAS, recently at the-~Ntittort~l:~a~h:! ~n~ mrk.~4ssocialion Annual Congress
meeting in N~h¢ille¢!!iTe~h:~Se~,':~;ihe Natio}talLgPorting Goods Association
awardedthe:~}egttgious':1999 "Staie'Parks Gbld Medal" to Florida's state
park s~t~;:~gnizing it as thebest state'pa~rk ~tem in aH 50 states; and,
WHEREA& the GoVern~ and cabineL' s~ing ~ the Board'Of . Trmt~s of the Internal
W~O~em~nt........... . .... . Trust Fund wltich h'olds title to:'~the~e ~hds~°n beha~ of
~b~dd:~? citizens, ha~p~°clat~edthat;the entire mb~th?)bf~ovember 1999 be
'::~:~:?:5:: FLORIDA 'S STA TE PA~S.. ; ,VOTED AME~:.~S~BEST
d~d ~uthork~d the'Department °f Environmental P~Otedtion to celebrate and
pa~iict~e:the ~cellence of Flolida's'Xtate parks sy~te~designating
N6~mb~g:~20, 1999 as. "Free Day" when park ent~ahcefees will be waived for
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NOW THEREFORE, b:~:~:it:F~imedbY }li::; Bba/d ;fCOU~::cO~iSsioners of Comer
CounF, ~[da,~:~ha't tit; 2~t: Of N6V&ber;:~::.l~9:::be designated as
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DONE AND ORDERED THIS 9th Day of November 1999.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
s. C.AmFO O.
November 9, 1999
Item #5B
EMPLOYEE SERVICE AWARDS - PRESENTED
We have service awards today. Commissioner Norris.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Thank you, Madam Chairwoman. I -- we have a
few today. We'll start with Janet Go, from pollution control, who has
10 years service.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: We have Sonia Grafton, from building review
that also has 10 years today. Ms. Grafton is obviously reviewing some
buildings even as we speak.
Michael Farrell from transportation has 10 years.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: He's stuck in traffic.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Yeah, he's in transit.
And our big winner for today is Stephen Nagy from wastewater for
15 years.
(Applause.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Good start. Thank you, sir.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Congratulations to you.
Item #5C1
JOHN AUGUSTYN, PLANT OPERATOR II, WATER DEPARTMENT, RECOGNIZED AS
EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH FOR NOVEMBER, 1999
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And now we'd like to honor John Augustyn as
the Collier County employee of the month, if he's here, to come
forward and receive our -- this recognition.
As he comes forward, I'm going to read you something that was
written regarding why he has earned this honor.
John has worked for Collier County for over 15 years. After
working 10 years as a chemist in the water laboratory, John joined the
operations section as operator trainee at the north water plant, where
he has been an asset to the operations section ever since.
John achieved his C certification well within the specified time
limit and has gone on to obtain his B certification and will soon be
taking his A certification in water treatment.
John is responsible for a number of assorted duties that go
beyond his responsibility as plant operator, which include bi-weekly
wellfield runs and additional water quality control.
John's time with the county, along with his background in
chemistry, operations, safety, and the fact that he consistently goes
above and beyond the call of duty helped him earn the title of
November's Employee of the Month.
We're pleased to have, John, this letter for your file, a plaque
in gratitude for your work, and a small check with our a appreciation.
Thank you, sir. Congratulations.
(Applause.)
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Item #8A1
JEANINE NOVELLO, REPRESENTING THE EXCEPTIONAL STUDENT EDUCATION OFFICE
OF COLLIER COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS, REQUESTING A WAIVER OF THE
APPLICATION FEE FOR A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT - APPROVED
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And now we have a request by Jeanine
Novello, representing the ESE students for a waiver of a temporary use
permit. Anybody just want to make a motion?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Motion to approve the item.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Second it.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Any discussion?
Public speakers registered?
MR. FERNANDEZ: None.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: All in favor, please say aye.
Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That passes unanimously.
Item #8A2
RESOLUTION 99-415, STREET NAME REVISION FROM LANDFILL ROAD TO WHITE
LAKE BOULEVARD - ADOPTED
Great idea for a street name change from Landfill Road to White
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I'd like to move approval.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Second.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yes, sir, Mr. Weigel?
MR. WEIGEL: If this is approved, I would appreciate the record
reflecting resolution being reserved.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: It's so reflected.
And are there registered speakers?
MR. FERNANDEZ: No.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Ail in favor, please say aye.
Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That passes unanimously.
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RESOLUTION NO. 99-415
RESOLUTION NAMING WHITE LAKE BOULEVARD,
WHICH STREET IS LOCATED EAST OF C.R. 951 AND
NORTH OF 1-75 (INTERSTATE HIGHWAY) IN
SECTION 29, TOWNSHIP 49 SOUTH, RANGE 26 EAST,
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA.
WHEREAS, the Board of County Commissioners is authorized pursuant to
authority of Chapter 336.05, Florida Statutes, to name streets and roads, except for certain
state roads; and
WHEREAS, the Board of County Commissioners has been requested to establish
the name of White Lake Boulevard to a street which by custom has been named Sanitary
Landfill Road which is located east of C.R. 951 and north of 1-75 (Interstate Highway) in
Section 29, Township 49 South, Range 26 East, Collier County, Florida; and
WHEREAS, there appears to be no street in Collier County with this name or any
similar sounding name; and
WHEREAS, it is necessary for identification purposes to confirm the name of this
street;
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE BOARD OF ZONING
APPEALS of Collier County, Florida, that:
The name of this street is hereby established as White Lake Boulevard and is
confirmed as such.
BE IT RESOLVED that this Resolution be recorded in the Public Records of
Collier County, Florida, and noted upon the maps of the street and zoning atlases of
Collier County, and notations made on the referenced Plat.
This Resolution adopted after motion, second and majority vote.
Done this ~2~'-l-bx. day of ~ ~x~_.tn~¢_.f~._ , 1999.
· : . .- ATTESTS:
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~d~'Fom and Legal Sufficiency:
Marjorl~ M. Student r
Assistant County Attorney
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
COLLIE/~ COUNTY, FLORIDA
PAI~ELA S. M~'I~E, C4H~WSMAN
f/Ron Nino/Naming White Lakes Blvd/RN/irn
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November 9, 1999
Item #8A3
BAYSHORE/GATEWAY TRIANGLE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN PREPARED BY LANDERS-
ATKINS PLANNERS, INC. - APPROVED
And now to what I think is the most exciting news of the day:
The presentation on the Bayshore/Gateway Triangle redevelopment plan.
Long in the works and just one of the most exciting things going on
in Collier county. Hi, Start.
MR. LITSINGER: Good morning, Madam Chairwoman and commissioners.
For the record, Stanley Litsinger of the planning department.
I had the pleasure this morning of introduction to the
Gateway/Bayshore Triangle redevelopment plan, and we have with us this
morning Mr. Howard Landers of the Landers-Atkins team that we put
together to prepare this plan for you.
This morning the board will hear the community-based vision based
on four workshops that were held and a series of interviews with local
representatives. Each of our workshops, we had over 100 individuals
attend from the local communities.
We have laid out plans relative to the redevelopment of both the
Gateway Triangle and the Bayshore area, based on a community
redevelopment agency on which you will hear some details today.
At the end of Mr. Landers' presentation, I would like to offer to
you approximately 11 recommendations for actions to move forward with
the realization of this redevelopment plan, and at this time would
like to turn the presentation over to Mr. Howard Landers, and we will
follow with questions and answers after his presentation. MR. LANDERS: Thank you, Stan.
If it please the commission and for the record, I am Howard
Landers, president of Landers-Atkins Planners, 201 North Hogan street,
Jacksonville, Florida.
On behalf of the entire team, Landers-Atkins Planners,
Hammer-Slier-George of Silver Spring, Maryland and Workplace Partners,
Candy Bentley Baker of Palm Beach County, we would like to thank the
commission for the opportunity to have prepared this plan and for the
opportunity to work with both your staff and the neighborhood.
Staff's support on the project has -- from the entire staff has been
excellent.
And most importantly, support from the neighborhood has been
outstanding. We, as Stan said, held four workshops, and I'd like to
correct his numbers. They range from 125 to somewhere in the 160
range for those four workshops.
We started off with a great deal of diversity, a lot of opinions,
spent a lot of time sorting those opinions and getting them up on
boards and voting on them. And I firmly believe that at the end of
the day on the fourth workshop that we had pretty strong consensus on
the package of recommendations that staff has presented and the report
that is brought to you.
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In I won't tell you how many years, it's coming on 30 years of
doing this type of work around the country and throughout the State of
Florida, we've done a lot of workshops on a lot of different types of
projects and have never had the level of participation in numbers, in
activity and interest that we've experienced in this neighborhood.
And I think that speaks a great deal for both the county, but most
importantly, for the significance that the neighborhood itself places
upon redevelopment activities.
As Stan said, we do have a whole body of recommendations on
redevelopment. We were asked to come up with a redevelopment plan,
including strategies for implementing redevelopment. And a very
important part of those recommendations to you is the creation of a
community redevelopment agency. Community redevelopment agency, which
we're recommending that you sit as that agency, gives the county very
broad powers to really address the multiple facets of the
redevelopment effort.
The vision for the plan is expressed in two ways. First is a land
use plan, which you have before you, which is really a rationalization
of some land use patterns in the area; the creation, particularly
along Bayshore, of some depths of zoning and depths of land use and
eventually zoning that are amenable to redevelopment and will support
adequately sized development parcels.
The plan is also expressed -- and I have three sheets of this --
in an urban design framework plan, starting at the north with the
triangle, essentially. We're recommending a full redevelopment of the
little triangle. The Shadowlawn neighborhood area, we're recommending
a neighborhood focus program. And then redevelopment of Gulf Gate
Shopping Center as a real town center with a street scale, not unlike
5th Street -- Fifth Avenue, in Naples, and an entertainment district
around Haldeman Creek.
Proceeding on to the south in the Bayshore area, there are
recommendations for a Bayshore neighborhood FOCUS program. The
Botanical Gardens are seen as a real key element in the redevelopment
process.
And then on to the south, south of Thomasson, other areas that
would receive neighborhood FOCUS activities. And then a very strong
recommendation that what was called Sabal Bay, is now Hamilton Harbor,
have an entrance which -- on to Bayshore to bring further activity and
focus to the whole Bayshore community and to help support the
commercial activities that are proposed on up to the Tamiami Trail.
Our member of our team, Hammer-Siler-George, undertook the
economic analysis on the study and found, through a considerable
market research, looking at all elements or sub-markets, found
considerable support in the market for development within this
particular area. And the table here identifies the retail
multi-family housing, motel, office --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Tom, could you --
MR. LANDERS: -- what we call flex space.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Excuse me, could you help zoom in on that?
MR. LANDERS: I haven't been trained on that.
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CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I know, that's why I was going to ask some
staff to help you with that. No, no, don't even try, because it's not
what you think.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Not very user friendly.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yeah, that's true. Thank you.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: You know, I hate to have any further
interruption of the presentation, but I'd like to move approval of the
11 items that staff has recommended.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
material.
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
I can't argue with that.
Where do we find -- I just got this
This is on 8(A)(3) --
Yes.
-- in our --
I'm sorry.
You thought it might be in there?
Yeah, I thought there might be something in
this new packet that we got this morning.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Is there a second for that motion?
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER CARTER:
some clarification.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER CARTER:
I'll second it. It's a great idea.
I think there are registered speakers.
I just have some questions. I'd just like
Okay, let's go about it that way.
It's my understanding that as you go
through one of these processes, that in essence we freeze the land
values as far as tax revenue to the -- am I correct, to the general
fund, and that all monies -- all appreciations here in revenues
continue to feed this project? Is that part of what I'm
understanding?
MR. LANDERS: What you're describing, I believe, is tax increment
financing, which is a tool, and a very powerful tool that's available
through the Community Redevelopment Agency process.
And at the point of a finding of necessity and declaration of the
CRA, you do in effect establish a tax trust fund and you freeze the
assessments -- so-called freeze the assessment at that point. And
from that day forward, the revenue generated by the cap assessment
continues to go into the general fund.
The increment then is the increase in revenue, because you are
expecting, anticipating redevelopment to increase the ad valorem
revenue. Goes into the trust fund for a specified period of time to
support the activities that cause the -- that will in turn cause the
increase.
That -- Mr. Carter, that increment can be forecast, based on the
detailed plan that needs to be done, and that increment can be bonded
to in effect bring the money in at the front end so that you're
creating the redevelopment.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: So there's a time line on this. Otherwise,
if it's 25 years or 30 years, then that's the process?
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MR. LANDERS: That's correct. You can set a time frame, yes,
sir.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That's one of the most exciting
possibilities here for these people who are willing to do all of the
work that they have, and will put the effort into redeveloping their
property, that to the extent the property values go up, the current
value continues to go into the general fund. But that gap, that
increase, will get spent in their neighborhoods on their property
within the --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Great incentive.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- boundaries of the district.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Great incentive.
THE WITNESS: It's the strongest incentive available. That and
the ability for the commission -- or the CRA to acquire property in a
very selective way to help facilitate redevelopment.
One of the most difficult problems in redevelopment is assembling
land --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: You better believe it.
MR. LANDERS: -- and the use of the county or the CRA's ability
to, on the open market, negotiate for land in selected cases, or as a
last resort use eminent domain is a very important part of the
package.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Other questions for our consultant? Then
let's hear from public speakers. And don't, you know, feel obliged to
speak, but if you have something you want to tell us or ask about,
please do go ahead and come forward.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Madam Chairwoman, we have four speakers on this
subject. The first two are Larry Ingram and Giovanna Marrone.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Mr. Ingram?
MR. INGRAM: First, I need to know whether my property is
included in this district.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Larry, your name for the record?
MR. INGRAM: Yes, Larry Ingram. I own the property known as Gulf
Gate South. It's the south 188 feet of Lots 37 and 38, Naples Grove
and Truck Company's Little Farms. CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Stan?
MR. INGRAM: This is the parcel that lies immediately south of
the Gulf Gate Shopping Center.
MR. LITSINGER: Yes, Mr. Ingram's property is included in the CRA
proposed boundary.
MR. INGRAM: I have an objection to this. First of all, I have
about 1.2 million dollars invested. The property that I own meets all
of the current building and zoning codes; it meets the on-site water
retention; it meets the flood elevation; it meets every criteria of
the county. And from my perspective, at least where my property is
concerned, I find no problem.
The problem in this area is basically it is a lower income
neighborhood, if you want to call it a problem. And you do not
attract Third Street shops in a lower income neighborhood. Now, if
you really want to upgrade the neighborhood, you change the zoning on
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the residential and then you get rid of the affordable housing,
because this is one of the few areas where there is affordable housing
in direct proximity to the City of Naples.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Mr. Ingram, have you reviewed the plan to
see that it includes, for example, the zoning overlay district that
would allow for some changes in the zoning, while still trying to
balance the need for some affordable, we like to call, it workforce
housing? It isn't just the entertainment center. There's several,
several facets to the plan.
MR. INGRAM: Well, another problem this area has is there are at
least three mobile home parks. I did a survey on one of them, and out
of 110 mobile home sites, three paid ad valorem taxes. By the time
you take a homestead exemption, an over 65 exemption, a widow's
exemption. This one park had over 90 percent of the parcels in the
park paid no taxes. This doesn't help the neighborhood.
But I don't see anybody going after the residential. It seems
like everybody has taken a shotgun approach at the commercial. The
commercial will meet the needs of the neighborhood.
Ms. Mac'Kie, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't make your
grimacing remarks while I'm speaking. I find that very discourteous.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I apologize.
MR. INGRAM: In any event, I think that the best way to handle is
through private enterprise. Give the owners incentive. Like I say,
my property meets all of the county's requirements. I'm certain that
there are properties that do not.
One of the problems in that area with the Davis Triangle was
created by the State of Florida. The State of Florida came in and
convinced the county that it wasn't necessary to pay full value for
the properties that were now nonconforming uses. And this was money
that could have been used to improve the neighborhood that was lost
because of actions of the county staff.
So on one side you're asking to improve the neighborhood, and on
the other side you had county staff taking efforts that really
diminished the condemnation return that people could have used to
improve their properties in the Davis Triangle.
So I don't know, I don't think that this district is the total
answer. I'm certainly opposed to any condemnation of my property, if
it involves condemnation. And I'm not certain that the criteria that
you have warrants condemnation.
Several of us have already contacted condemnation attorneys, and
I've been advised that you can't meet the standards. I have no
objection to a district using the tax increment increase, as did the
City of Naples in the 10th Street area, but if it comes down to
condemnation, I certainly oppose it. Thank you. CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you, Mr. Ingram.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: What is -- is the proposal for condemnation
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
No, ma'am.
-- are you aware?
No, ma'am.
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COMMISSIONER BERRY: There is no proposal for that?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Certainly, as Mr. Landers said, if a
community redevelopment district is established, one of its powers as
a last resort is it has a condemnation power. This board is likely to
be the governing board of the community redevelopment district. This
is not something that would happen outside of the purview of this
board.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Maybe it's oversimplification, but isn't
this whole thing of being able to use the tax dollars to turn around
and improve these properties?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Okay. I mean, that's basically what we're
doing here.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Okay, cutting through all the other things
that we've heard. So that's --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That's the most important piece. There's
also -- hopefully the board will adopt a zoning overlay to allow for
the aggregation of some commercial property so they can be developed
as a parcel instead of as the tiny little lots.
But there is -- while the CRA certainly has eminent domain power,
should the board create one -- which we're not doing today; we're
being asked to have staff investigate that further -- but it has an
eminent domain power, absolutely. Whether or not it's ever exercised
is something that we decided long in the future. MR. INGRAM: Thank you.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Next speaker is Giovanna Marrone and then Ronald
Fowle.
MS. MARRONE: Hi, how are you?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Fine, thanks. Your name, for the record.
MS. MARRONE: Giovanna Marrone.
Well, first of all, since we just put $120,000 into my restaurant
-- I own Little Italy Restaurant. Speaking on behalf of my family as
well.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: It looks beautiful, by the way.
MS. MARRONE: Thank you very much. I realize that, you know,
maybe some people have some objections to this, but I am presently on
a nonconforming lot, and I think the CRA coming in would help us in
the sense that I am the only property in the tip of that triangle
besides the Putt-Putt Golf and the Naples Car Wash that has put a dime
into their business in 10 years.
So if it comes down to being forced to put money in your
business, yes, please do, because right now they're costing me money.
But, you know, the 10-year forecast, that's great. We need to
get some major cleanup now. We need to get started now. Some of the
code does need to be adjusted so as to make it, if I want to put trees
up on the front of my property, I can without any grief.
I think that putting the CRA into effect immediately will make it
so that all of us can turn around and say I'm proud of where I live,
I'm proud of my business, I'm here to make money, I'm here to make
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money for my county, my neighbors. Anybody who wants to sit there and
just live on an unimproved lot with 18 inches plus of grass, well, you
can take it to yourself.
The other things we wanted to talk about was when are our lights
coming on on 417
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That's a good question. They look pretty,
but when do they get turned on? Do you happen to know that, Mr.
Ilschner? It's a state project, so it may --
MR. ILSCHNER: No, I do not, Madam Chairwoman.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: We'll try to find that out. We'll find out.
I can call DOT.
MS. MARRONE: The only other things that we could see that the
CRA could be such a huge community benefit would be in the ability to
turn around and say it's safe to walk the streets in East Naples
again, it's safe to have your children play, it's safe to go shopping.
And if some people that shop on Third Street would like to come east
at my restaurant, that's fine, I have no problem with that. They can
come down any time they'd like.
I think that's about it. But there is a large portion of us that
are on U.S. 41 that do approve and we are business owners. Thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you.
(Applause)
MR. FERNANDEZ: Next speaker is Ronald Fowle and then Donna
Fiala.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Ronnie? Is Ron Fowle here? I know he was.
We'll go on to Donna Fiala, then.
MS. FIALA: Good morning, commissioners. My name is Donna Fiala,
for the record, president of East Naples Civic Association. I serve
on the Bayshore MSTU, and also on the triangle committee with ENCA.
I'd like to give you these petitions from business owners and
from residents in the triangle and on the Bayshore area that we've
collected over the last couple weeks. They're also giving their
wholehearted support to this effort, and we do ask that you would
grace us by this CRA. Thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you.
(Applause.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thanks. Any other --
MR. FERNANDEZ: No other speakers --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- speakers on this?
MR. FERNANDEZ: -- Madam Chairwoman.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Any other discussion? Do -- we have a
motion and a second then.
All in favor, please say aye.
Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That passes unanimously.
I have to say, I'm so proud to represent you guys.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Well, I think, Madam Chair, this will be
also an integration into the community character group that is working
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on coming forward word with a consulting company to look at all of
Collier County and the -- all of the urban area. And it seems to me
this is a perfect opportunity for integrating everything together. So
I think it's a beautiful project, we go forward, let's do it.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: You have a great restaurant to eat at.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Absolutely.
MS. MARRONE: Come down and see us any time. Now I'm going to
paint the tables we just got.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Just excellent, excellent --
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Are you open for lunch?
MS. MARRONE: Well, you know, we were thinking maybe just for the
commissioners.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
COMMISSIONER CARTER:
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
it.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
There you go. You can't do that.
Oh, no.
Can't do that.
Don't even think -- don't even talk about
You guys, I want to just make one final
comment and that is just with sincere gratitude to the people who have
participated. We have had 100 plus, 125, 160 people show up at these
community meetings. If you've participated in anything like this
before, that's a bigger crowd than they got when they did Fifth
Avenue. It's a bigger crowd than you'd often get.
And this just shows you, this is a proud community, they're proud
of where they live and they're going to work to make it something
everybody knows about.
Item #8A4
PROPOSED LEGISLATION FOR ADMINISTRATION OF TELECOMMUNICATIONS FLAT TAX
AT STATE LEVEL - PRESENTED; BOARD INDICATED OPPOSITION TO PROPOSED
LEGISLATION (CONSENSUS)
Okay. The next item is the legislation for administration of
telecommunications flat tax.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Big problem.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you for bringing it to our attention.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Yes.
MR. WALLACE: For the record, Bleu Wallace, utility and franchise
regulation.
Recently staff has been made aware of legislation that's moving
forward in Tallahassee. The Florida Association of Counties has its
conference next week, and this is the last opportunity staff would
have to address the board.
Staff wants you to be aware of what's facing the attendees at the
Florida Association of Counties conference.
On November the 2nd, the Florida house committee on utilities and
communications heard witnesses on the simplified telecommunications
tax concept. This seeks to combine several taxes at the state level
and be controlled at the state level.
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Staff has problems with the franchise fee, clearly not a tax,
being thrown into the mix. And we have talked to the office of the
county attorney, and they seem to agree that there's a problem there.
However, this seems to be moving forward.
I have a meeting this afternoon with Representative Goodlette,
who is on the committee at the House, and also, staff will attend a
meeting between the Florida Association of Counties' representatives,
League of Cities and the industry in Orlando next week.
This is all being crowded in just before the League of cities and
the Florida Association of Counties have their legislative
conferences, both next week.
Coming out of both those conferences, both the League of Cities
and the Florida Association of Counties is expected to adopt a
position on this flat tax.
Staff just wanted the attendees from the board next week to know
about this. And right now we do not have a model so we can run the
numbers to see how this is going to affect us, but it clearly could
impact our control of the right-of-ways and our ability to collect the
local cable franchise tax.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: You don't --
MR. WALLACE: Any other issues would be legal in nature and I
would defer to the county attorney.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: So you don't have a position yet, Bleu, on
this?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I think we do.
MR. WALLACE: No, sir, we -- they have not come up with the
formula where we can plug in our numbers and run it. We --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: No, no, no.
MR. WALLACE: -- don't know if it's going to be based on
population or what.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: His question is -- was do you have a
position? Do you as staff recommend that we support or oppose this
legislation?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Oh, I have a position on that. I didn't realize
that was the question.
Very clearly, we think this legislation should be opposed because
it lumps together a number of different categories of revenue, and
we're reliant then upon the state for an allocation. That's one
reason.
The other reason is that the lumping together of different
categories of revenues we think raises questions about the distinction
between fees and taxes, because it joins those together. CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Makes sense.
MR. FERNANDEZ: So we're concerned about that. And until we
learn more about it at this point, we are very opposed to --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Would you like for the board to take a
formal position, perhaps send a resolution, a letter somehow in
opposition to our legislative delegation?
MR. FERNANDEZ: I ask Mr. Wallace if he feels that would be
premature or if it would be appropriate.
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MR. WALLACE: It may be premature because there are just not
enough details out there.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So might we want to just register our
opposition to the concept?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Our intent today is to first of all alert you to
the fact that this is moving in Tallahassee and to raise some concerns
about it. And to express to you the fact that we are in fact
concerned about it, and to get the sentiments of the board, if there
are some concerns that you would like for us to convey at the meeting
of the Florida Association of Counties when this comes up. CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Board members?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Sounds like we'll probably hear back
as well, after you've had a chance to sit down with state
representatives and the association and so on. We may be able to have
a more strongly worded resolution of one way or the other --
COMMISSIONER BERRY: But I think Jim and I need to know that the
rest of the board, you feel that you want this -- as we can see it
right now, even though it may be a little preliminary, depending on
what the Florida Association of Counties does, at least we want to
voice our concerns about that.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I would defer to the county administrator's
recommendation. If he finds opposition, then I would support him in
that.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Okay.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Is that consensus of the board?
COMMISSIONER CARTER: That's fine. As I read it, the only thing
I could glean from this, it was going to make it easier for the
telecommunications industry. And I did not see how we were going to
be able to figure out what was due us, as you have pointed out this
morning.
MR. WALLACE: And one other thing, it prevents our local staff
from auditing their books to see if we're really getting what we're
supposed to be getting --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That's a big --
MR. WALLACE: -- if it's thrown into the mix.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- problem.
Okay. So thank you for the heads up, and I think you guys have
sufficient direction.
Item #8A5
RECONSIDERATION OF LIONEL TRAIN MUSEUM - MOTION TO RECONSIDER FAILED
Commissioner Carter wanted to bring up the reconsideration of the
toy train funding.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Yes. Is Jane Eichhom here this morning
from -- yes.
I had a conversation with Jane and with Greg Mihalic. Evidently
when this was presented to us, it was not in the proper category for
TDC dollars. So I'm asking for reconsideration this morning so that
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we clearly understand where it was to be placed and whether or not the
board wants to continue with the decision.
What the outcome is, I don't know, but we need to do it correctly
so that we're not exposing ourselves to some criticism that we were
approving something or disapproving something in a wrong category.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Commissioner Constantine had a question,
then we'll hear from Vince.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Two important points I want to
actually get some help from staff on this.
I think we received a letter initially from the folks who were
petitioning for this. And if you go down toward the bottom of the
first page of that letter, I think it could be clearly argued that it
was in the proper category. And Vince, you may want to read that out
loud.
MR. CAUTERO: Yes, Vince Cautero, for the record. The letter's
dated March 24th. Other than for meetings, since the last train left
Naples, the Naples Depot has not been a destination. Tourists can
come through our building not knowing what to expect. These two
projects are designed to bring people not only to the Depot, but to
also bring those who might not otherwise visit to Naples itself.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: It's a museum category, not a promotion.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: And my point is I don't know if that's
clear in the letter. And I think there's some responsibility on the
petitioner to come up with that. And frankly, they never raised the
objection when they were here before.
I think more importantly for me, though, is regardless of the
category, if you remember the issues that I raised, anyway, were how
are you going to use the brochures, to whom will they be distributed,
and so on. And those questions went unanswered. Which frankly are
not -- it certainly went further than Mr. Shealy did, but not a whole
lot further than Mr. Shealy did when he said, you know, boy, I'd like
to take some people out and show them around, but there were no
specifics involved.
And here, he would like to make a brochure, but there were no
specifics as to whom that was going to reach or how. So regardless of
which category it is, I think that same question stands.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Nevertheless, let's hear from staff about
whether or not we have a technical glitch here that we need to -- as
Commissioner Carter said, we may or may not change our minds. But if
we have technically made a mistake, we may need to correct that, so
could we hear from staff on that point?
MR. CAUTERO: The item was originally submitted to the Tourist
Development Council under Category C which is the funding for and
promotion of museums, whether they are owned by the county or
not-for-profit organizations.
We should have brought the item to you consistent with that. We
brought it to you under Category B. So we were inconsistent in the
two executive summaries, Category B being advertising and promotion.
However, if we had started under Category B, we would have been
correct either way.
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Staff has rendered an opinion, and I believe from talking with
Ms. Eichhom, our TDC coordinator, that legally concurs with that
opinion, that it could have started in Category B. But since we
started with C, we made an error in not following through by bringing
that to the board under the same category.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, and that -- if you remember in the
public hearing, I thought that I was making this big point by saying
well, what category did they apply under? And what staff responded to
me in this meeting was B, advertising. That wasn't the way I
remembered it from TDC. It was a museum application.
MR. CAUTERO: That's correct. It came to you, as the TDC Chair,
and the TDC as a Category C item. It came to the board as Category B.
In my humble opinion, I don't think it really mattered, because it
was still a promotion and advertising item.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: And that's the way I saw it.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: That's the way I saw it.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: It was clearly a museum type operation;
there's not much of a question about that. But the request itself was
apparent that it was meant to be for advertising and promotion. So
coming in Category B was perfectly appropriate.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So Commissioner, do you want to make a
motion to reconsider?
COMMISSIONER CARTER: I make a motion we reconsider, just to be
consistent with how it was brought forward, and to stay with C for the
board to make a decision whether or not they want to accept it or
reject it.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Is there a second? I'll second the motion.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I'm not going to support it, because I
think it's a moot point. I think the items, whether it was a museum
or not, were for promotion. It didn't have a specific plan. And my
reason for voting against it was the lack of specifics rather than in
any way related to category.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And let me just -- in urging someone to
change their vote so that maybe we can reconsider this, if you heard
the presentation that we heard at the TDC, I think you would have a
different opinion. They had -- they were not prepared at our board
meeting, they didn't bring the presentation that they brought to TDC.
It was a very well reasoned, very well planned, very well thought out
proposal that we didn't hear. So we will or we won't, but that's my
opinion.
All in favor, please say aye. Aye.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Eye.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Opposed?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Aye.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Aye.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Motion fails, so it won't be reconsidered.
Let's talk about landscaping on Davis Boulevard. B-1 --
8 (B) (1).
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COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: When this came back -- I just want to
stress, I've talked with a number of the neighbors out here, and I
don't think anybody out there wants to look a gift horse in the mouth,
they just want to make sure that the same attention and same
investment is consistent throughout that whole residential corridor.
MR. GARNER: Good morning --
MR. FERNANDEZ: Madam Chairwoman?
MR. GARNER: -- Commissioner Mac'Kie --
MR. FERNANDEZ: We had some speakers on that last issue and I
forgot to let you do that.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Oh, I am so sorry.
MR. FERNANDEZ: The two speakers that we have are Walt Schwartz
and John Garner.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Then I think we should hear from them.
We'll pause here.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: The item itself was not up for discussion,
only the reconsideration of the item.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Right.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So if you'd speak, please, on the question
of whether or not it should be reconsidered.
MR. GARNER: Yes, I will. Thank you very much. Good morning. I
am John Garner. I'm the president of Southwest Heritage, Inc., known
as the Naples Depot.
When we were here two weeks ago, we made a presentation based
upon the request for TDC funds. And unbeknownst to me, on the
executive summary, it had been transferred from a Category B -- I'm
sorry, from a Category C to a Category B.
This is not a special event Category B item. Period, end of
story. This is C. And the difference between C and B is the type of
project. And the county ordinance says that C funds can be used --
and I'm just going to use -- read a portion of it -- to acquire, et
cetera, including promote one or more county museums or museums that
are owned and operated for nonprofit organizations and are open to the
public.
So that's what we came to the TDC for. We asked for funds to
promote this museum that we are going to build and we are in the
process of building at the Naples Depot. And as a result, we were not
prepared to give a presentation on a special event, because this is
not a special event. This is not something that we're going to open
at Christmastime and close again. We're going to construct this,
we're going to keep it open, and we were looking for money for
promotion. I think that makes a big difference, because under
Category C, it is not necessary for us to have shown that we had to
put people in hotel rooms. I think that will happen.
But a Category C is not required to show that we are going to
bring specific tourists in. With a special event, I understand that.
And we would like to plan on having a special event in the future.
And at that point in time we will say look, this is what we want to
do, this is how many people we expect, and this is how many hotel
rooms. But again, this is a Category C and not a Category B.
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It's important that the Category C allows the county to provide
funding for such items as the Collier County Museum and the Roberts
Ranch. I mean, these are items that we don't specifically show as
saying oh, look, we're going to bring 5,000 hotel rooms in here. No,
these are C items which are separate from any B items that do not need
to show a specific filling of hotel rooms.
And another good example is the A, the beach renourishment.
Again, these are separate categories and we feel that we clearly fall
within C, and we don't need to meet certain requirements that we would
otherwise need to meet for a B.
Most important thing is, C allows for promotion of museums.
Promotion of museums that are operated by nonprofit organizations.
The Southwest Heritage, Inc. is a 501C3 nonprofit organization. We
are going to do a museum there. And we got some funding, almost
$275,000, to begin construction of this museum.
One of the few items that were not included in this generous
donation was promotion, and that's why we made the presentation to the
Tourist Development Council and then obviously to you all two weeks
ago. Thank you very much.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Next speaker is John Garner.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That was Mr. Garner.
MR. FERNANDEZ: I'm sorry, Walt Swartz.
MR. SWARTZ: That's all right.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That's all?
MR. GARNER: And I'm available for questions, of course, if
anybody has any questions.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Is there any willingness to reconsider
another motion?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: So it comes down to they want us to support
another museum. That's the bottom line.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That's the bottom line. And the TDC agreed
to that. And I think --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: The TDC also agreed to David Shealy.
But the point remains the same and that is there were no specifics on
how that promotion was going to happen: We're going to make up a
brochure. What are you going to do with it? I don't know. Where are
you going to distribute it? I don't know. What's it going to look
like? I don't know.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Well, I based my decision then and now on
the merits of the proposal. And the category, whether it's B or C to
me is totally immaterial. I just looked at the merits of the
proposal, and I don't support it.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: The question that Commissioner Carter
brought forth is do we want to hear the proposal again, understanding
that it is a museum promotion, as opposed to an event or an
advertising.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: And I think the board by a majority said
no, we do not.
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CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Any further discussion on the matter? Okay,
thank you very much. I'm sorry we couldn't address it further.
Item #8B1
REPORT ON ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE RECENTLY
COMPLETED DAVIS BOULEVARD PHASE II BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT (AIRPORT-
PULLING ROAD TO COUNTY BARN ROAD) - STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION AT 12/14/99 MEETING
We will go back now to the landscaping on Davis and hear from
staff.
MR. RYZIW: Good morning, Madam Chairman, commissioners. For the
record, my name is Ladd Ryziw, and I represent the public works
engineering department.
Agenda Item 8(B) (1) concerns the recently completed Davis
Boulevard median landscaping improvements. And on that note I wanted
to thank the board for supporting a continuation of landscaping on our
transportation network.
The staff report before you outlines two areas of public concerns
on the project. Even though the project is substantially complete,
some public members have announced two areas of concerns.
The first area of concern relates to the character and aesthetics
of landscaping that has been accomplished east of Kings Way along a
length of approximately 3,000 feet of roadway. That's within the
original project limits.
The second public concern relates to approximately 700 feet of
Davis Boulevard, immediately west of County Barn Road, which was not
part of the original project limits and which was not landscaped under
the current project, and which also is slated for improvements as a
part of the future Phase III project.
Staff, in conjunction with the design professional, have reviewed
the original landscape designs for the current Phase II project.
We've actually looked at it in the field and also have -- did a touch
base with FDOT.
We also have looked at the landscaping in reference to the board
approved streetscape master plan, and the design professional staff's
conclusion is that the landscape that has been accomplished meets the
intent and spirit of the streetscape master plan.
Recognizing that aesthetics is somewhat subjective, staff is --
at the discretion of the board, could be directed to undertake some
additional landscaping within the project limits or outside the
original project limits.
In that regard, we have outlined two options that the board can
consider to give staff direction to proceed with additional work. The
first option, again, referencing the 3,000 foot segment of roadway
east of Kings Way. Option one approximates a cost of about $25,000.
And essentially we would supplement the existing landscaping with some
additional palm trees, and perhaps some accent plantings at the ground
level.
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The $25,000 includes also design, construction, staff time and
getting back with FDOT for a permit amendment.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: What's the amount?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: 25.
MR. RYZIW: $25,000.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I have a question on that, because I
MR. RYZIW: Yes.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- inquired of George Botner, who had
done a little homework, done this original plan and had come up with a
number of about 15,000 to do the same. And I'm just wondering where
that extra 10 -- and it maybe state permitting, I don't know.
MR. RYZIW: Actually, Commissioner, the design professional
estimated the additional landscaping at 16,609.69. And what I did,
realizing it's a conceptual estimate, I added a contingency on top of
that and also included design cost and inspection time. So it rounded
out to about $25,000.
The second option is the -- to go forth and landscape the 700
feet of roadway east of -- or excuse me, west of County Barn Road.
That cost approximates $58,000. It's a high cost. Essentially we have
to reconstruct the roadway to convert it to an urban type highway.
There's some drainage improvements and so forth.
Again, staff's conclusion is that our recommendation is to
complete the project per the original design, and will seek board
direction and questions on this.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I have a question. That is, if we complete
the project per the original design, which is A, this design was
adopted by the Board of County Commissioners and it fits the overall
master plan that we also adopted, do we need to spend 25,000
additional dollars to do that, or would that be some enhancement of
the plan?
MR. RYZIW: We can spend -- I think we can reduce the $25,000
expenditure if we -- I think there's a good portion of the community
that simply would just like to see some trees added. $25,000
expenditure does include some accent plantings and a little bit of
irrigation work.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Well, I think the question was, if we
stayed with the original plan, would we do what we said we were going
to do? And this was Naples Scape, by George Botner's group. Would we
not accomplish what we set out to do without spending the additional
25,000?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: See, I think that we need to stick to the
plan and not change the plan midstream, because this is a new process
for the county, you know, as we -- we need to install the plan as
adopted, and then if we want to have MSTU's who want to enhance -- for
example, that's what Bayshore Drive has done, they've taxed themselves
to enhance the landscaping. We can't -- it just makes me nervous,
we're treading on thin ice if we do more than meet the plan that we've
already adopted.
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COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: It is a new process. And I think the
only concern I have again is make sure we're consistent. If you drive
on Davis from one end of this project to the other, it's virtually --
until you get down to Germain and the commercial things, all the
neighborhoods are virtually the same in style and size and so on,
whether it's Foxfire, Kings Lake, or you get up, Countryside is beyond
where the end of this project is. But they're all the same style
development. And they just want to make sure it's consistent.
And because it's a new process, we have the opportunity to look
again at future ones and make sure it's consistent throughout. It
appears as though it may not be consistent from end to end here. And
if we've made that error on this one of the first projects, do we
correct that or do we say well, too bad, we'll just fix it on future
ones. That's the only point.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yeah. And the question is, was that in
error, or is that a part of the plan, that as it goes away from the
urban core, it transitions out to a less --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: And that's my point. It's not away
from the urban core. Whether you go -- you know, Countryside is no
less than a community -- and Countryside is beyond the end of this
project. Countryside is no less intense, it's no different than a
Foxfire at the other end.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: But see, that makes the point, Tim, because
Countryside gets zero.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: No, Countryside's is Phase III.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, as it phases out, doesn't the plan
change? I mean, isn't it different -- you know -- anyway, I've made
my point.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: It does.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: It does. And the question that really
comes up to the heart of the matter here is did that landscaping come
in any different than the plan ever stated, or was there some
modifications that at some point made it different?
MR. RYZIW: The implementation of landscaping has been
accomplished, is pretty much 100 percent in accord with the original
design, as approved by FDOT and pursuant to a grant agreement. We
didn't really do any modifications, and per design --
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: And the plan was in place for two years?
THE WITNESS: At least two years, yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: And it just seems to me that the time to
nitpick the plan would have been then, during the planning process,
rather than wait till it's all over and say well, I'm not happy with
the way the plan came out, let's change the plan.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: We have registered speakers on this item, I
believe. Commissioner Berry first.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Is this not true, too, that some of the
original medians that were done -- and I'm talking about back a period
of time -- if they were to be submitted today, that some of those
probably would not be approved because they're overly done?
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MR. RYZIW: I think that perhaps, Commissioner, you may be
referring to landscaping that has been accomplished in the true urban
area of Collier County, and there is that density there that perhaps
we don't see as we progress to the rural type areas.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Right.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Public speakers?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Yes, we have three. The first two are Patricia
Merten and Scott Bonham.
MS. MERTEN: Good morning.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Morning.
MS. MERTEN: Patricia Merten.
I come to you this morning in the hopes that you have driven
Davis Boulevard, east of Airport Pulling Road and west of County Barn.
And if you have, you have a general impression of how the plantings
have created the landscaping on the medians there. And if you have,
the following facts, though, may surprise you.
There's 1.3 miles from Airport Pulling Road to Kings Way along
Davis Boulevard, right to the entrance of the Kings Lake subdivision.
124 palm trees have been planted in groups of six, eight and 10.
These 124 palm trees represent 84 percent of the total number of palm
trees planted, although that 1.3 miles is only 60 percent of the total
length of the project.
I also counted 70 to 75, some variety of oak tree, six feet tall,
and an assortment of bushes and flowers. And really, if you drive
this, you would say it's very attractive.
Now, when we reach Kings Way, the next segment is .9 miles, and
that goes from Kings Way to County Barn Road. 19 palm trees have been
planted, representing 16 percent of the total number of palm trees
available on the project. And an assortment of 30, six-foot tall
trees and not much else in the way -- I mean, some small trees and
some flowers, but nothing much else. And I use the two trees to
compare so that I'm not mixing apples and oranges.
Okay, then we get down to the very end of the median at the
intersection of County Barn Road. Same median, still east of County
Barn Road. And there's a segment one tenth of a mile long that has
been totally excluded from any attempts at landscaping, even though it
is a part of that same stretch of median.
Now, why all attempts at landscaping ended 200 feet short of the
end of the median strip is hard to fathom. No trees, no bushes, only
an area with scruffy weeds covers that median at Davis and County
Barn.
I think anyone traveling that road has to ask if the project
coordinator had a plan of purchase and distribution, or were plantings
put in indiscriminately during the first half of the project only to
run out before the second half? And was a landscape design plan
prepared all at the beginning of this job? And if so, what went
wrong?
I ask today that you deal fairly with all the neighborhoods along
Davis Boulevard. Please look into this project and finish it. Add
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trees, move trees, but please complete the job properly up to the
corner of County Barn intersection. Thank you. CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you, ma'am.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Next speaker is Scott Bonham and then Donna
Fiala.
MR. BONHAM: Good morning, commissioners.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Good morning, sir. Glad to see you again.
MR. BONHAM: Thank you. My name is Scott Bonham. I'm the author
of the so-called stupid presentation of two weeks ago.
I'm going to read this, because I want to precisely say certain
things. I was not satisfied with my presentation. However, there were
pertinent or germane points made.
Davis Boulevard is a main entryway into urban Collier County.
Many dollars from outside our county are brought in and spent here.
Every owner and/or resident in our county does benefit. The
impression on visitors is important to all of us.
Traveling from east to west on Davis Boulevard, the plantings are
not aesthetically impressive near the eastern end. The ornamental,
quote, unquote, pine trees have long needles and are spastic looking
-- that's my expression -- rather than having a pleasing symmetry in
the natural setting adjacent to the street, we enjoy tall, majestic
beautiful pines, as well as palms and other beautiful trees.
As folks travel further westward, they're able to see and enjoy
the beauty of palm trees. The ratio of palms increases, and other
ornamental plantings decreases with distance, with a saturation of
palms at the western end of the project near Airport Pulling Road.
I have a copy of the executive summary, which Ladd spoke of, and
there are a couple of things that do not impress me favorably. At the
bottom of page one, the last sentence says the residents appear to
have a perception that the west half of the landscape project is
aesthetically superior to the easterly segment. Perception is in the
eye of the beholder, but you don't have to have great perception to
see the differentiation from east to west.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: No, I have a perception that I'm
taller than Commissioner Mac'Kie.
MR. BONHAM: I didn't understand.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I have a perception that I'm taller
than Pam. Just a perception.
MR. BONHAM: A perception -- another sentence -- skipping one
sentence there, referring to the east part of the project, its
dimensions, and referring to oak trees and pine trees with minimal
accent plantings, a perception of unequal landscape quality, value and
treatment exists.
In the -- in the next paragraph there is a reference to a need to
extend the project from County Barn Road 700 feet to the east to
affect symmetry. The reference must be to the completion from the end
of where it is developed now to County Barn Road.
I submit that from Airport Pulling to County Barn Road is going
to be solid, so there's no symmetry of 700 additional feet, in my
mind. Excuse me.
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I believe that that is flawed logic. I appreciate Ladd's
cooperation with me in giving me documentation. The one thing I
forgot to ask for was the approximate cost of this complete project,
which, by the way, is referred to on the plans as highway
beautification.
MR. RYZIW: Approximately $530,000 is the contract amount,
although we do need to close the project out, so it may vary a little
bit. But $534,000 is my recollection of the contract that the board
approved.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: But this would take it and you say all the
way to Santa Barbara, Ladd?
MR. RYZIW: The Phase III, the upcoming Phase III, would take us
to Santa Barbara Boulevard, and that is slated for construction in
fiscal year 2003.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: And is that part of the 534?
MR. RYZIW: No, sir. 534 was for the project of Phase II that
has been recently completed.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And Phase I was also about 500 -- no, what
was Phase I, do you remember?
MR. RYZIW: Phase I, I believe we closed the project out at --
under cost, about $288,000.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: But it was substantially less mileage.
MR. RYZIW: One mile, versus 2.2 miles.
MR. BONHAM: There was a reference made by Commissioner Norris
that we should have noticed this two years ago? I submit that it was
only completed several weeks ago.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yes, sir.
MR. BONHAM: I waited and others waited as well until the
completion so that we would not be critical out of order. We didn't
know what was going to be there.
And I'll tell you, from the plans, the copy of the plans that I
got, it was very difficult to understand what plant was going to go in
what location. Lots of circles and initials, but I really had a time
trying to figure. I was able to determine some.
But I submit to you that this is not a situation that's important
only to we who are residents on Davis Boulevard, or have businesses
there. It's critical to everyone in the county. Because the
impression that tourists have when they come in is super important to
all of us. And those are dollars that we will not get if they don't
come to Collier County. This is not going to be a monumental factor,
but it will be a strong factor with a lot of people. Thank you for
the consideration.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you, sir. And I'd just like to thank
you for what is a thoughtful and well reasoned argument.
MR. BONHAM: Much better than the last time.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Well, you weren't bad last time either.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I thought you were fine both times.
Donna Fiala?
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MS. FIALA: Good morning again, commissioners. My name is Donna
Fiala, president of Ease Naples Civic Association, for the record. I
also serve on the Collier Naples Scape board, so I take a genuine
interest in this.
First of all, let me say, before I go any further, how pleased we
are with how beautiful Davis Boulevard looks. We all in East Naples
are grateful for how it looks, and we thank you for that. And thank
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, we thank you for it, Donna, because
frankly, everybody knows, I hope, that without East Naples Civic
Association, and particularly Donna dogging it day after day, that
grant money wouldn't have come in.
MS. FIALA: Well, thank you very much. We appreciate that.
So having said that, I have to tell you personally now, I had
understood, and maybe misunderstood incorrectly, but what I'd
understood was the master plan called for landscaping all the way to
County Barn Road. I didn't see anything where that had changed.
So I'm afraid I'm with the other gentleman, I didn't know that it
had changed in the last couple of years, if it had. We had understood
the master plan called for landscaping all the way to County Barn
Road. And I'm sure not, you were saying something about rural and
urban. And in that particular area, with all the houses along there,
what differentiates urban and rural?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That was a bad comparison I made.
MS. FIALA: Oh, oh, okay, fine. I didn't mean to point a finger,
I just didn't really understand that at all.
Okay. And then of course I thought again we're going to have to
be dealing with the same thing again when we do the northern end of
Collier County. U.S. 41 we're just preparing now to be -- the road
widened there and we're going to be wanting to landscape all the way
out there.
And I'm sure that the people in that area as well will want to
see landscaping all the way to the end of their project, just as we
would like to. They're both entry gateways to our community, and we
would ask that you please consider finishing the landscaping that was
started. Thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Ladd, could you address the question of what
the plan shows?
MR. RYZIW: The plan shows regarding --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: The question Ms. Fiala said about that the
master plan showed landscaping going all the way to I think she said
County Barn Road?
MR. RYZIW: Yes. Actually, the master plan shows the original
Phase II as being the segment between Airport Pulling Road and Kings
Way. And in fact the Board of County Commissioners authorized an
extension of the original Phase II to the east of Kings Way.
The fact is that there is 700 feet that was not completed at
County Barn Road, and that's attributable to several items. Number
one, in dealing with FDOT, one can see a distinction between the type
of highway. There's a rural highway versus an urban highway. So the
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landscaping that has been completed essentially cuts off exactly where
the state completed the urban highway. So that was a factor in
stopping the landscaping at exactly that point.
Number two, to reference Mr. Bonner's (sic) comment, the symmetry
that staff was referring to was to not just complete the 700 feet
section west of County Barn Road; obviously we wanted to cover the
east side to complete essentially the intersection. So it would be
700 feet on the west side of the intersection and 700 feet on the east
side of the intersection.
Another reason why we didn't conclude the County Barn Road
intersection was the fact there was a budget limitation. As I
mentioned before, the board did extend the original Phase II project.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Ladd, but I still don't understand the
answer to this question. When Phase III is built out, is there going
to be a gap of unlandscaped roadway?
MR. RYZIW: My intent is to proceed with Phase III so we complete
through Santa Barbara Boulevard intersection.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Mr. Ryziw, the question is when it's complete,
will there be a continuous landscaped median from one end to the other
of the project? That's what the question is.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Will there be a 700-foot gap or some --
MR. RYZIW: No gaps. No gaps.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So this is a timing question.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: If I may.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Please.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Would I prefer that it had been done
all the way to County Barn? Sure. But that's for me not the big
issue here today. I understand we're going to have Phase III, so that
will get done.
My concern is as it gets thinner and thinner and thinner in its
beautification, and I think the first speaker outlined pretty well for
you when you look at the first half as 84 percent of the palms, which
are the primary planting.
The irony here for me, and both Donna and Scott raised the point,
that this is an entryway, and the impression it makes when people come
in. The reason we agreed to do this is it's one of our main entryways
to the community. We didn't say it's one of the main exits. And so
if it's an entryway, people are coming from east to west.
And the argument that well, it gets thinner as we go further
outside the urban area, it is all encompassed in the urban area, first
of all, and it's consistent from end to end as far as residential use.
But it's an entryway, not an exit.
We're not -- God bless, we want to make a great final impression
if they're leaving, but the entryway is the phrase that was
continually used. We want them, when they come in our community, to
have that impression. And so the suggestion that Countryside and Glen
Eagle and Villas of Whittenberg somehow are less urban than Moon Lake
or any of the others on there just isn't a valid argument.
I'm not asking today -- I wish we could, but I think since we're
going to do the Phase III anyway, I'm not asking that we do that extra
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700 feet, because it will get filled in. I am suggesting that we go
ahead and fill in what we need to for that 15 to 25,000 on the -- as
it thinned out.
It's a three or four percent -- depending on where we end in that
range, three or four percent work order change on the overall project.
I think that's important. Because if we look at any project we do,
whether it's a water plant or beautification, three percent work order
change is not unusual at all.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And that -- I'm starting to be persuaded
that that might be the right way to go. My question is would it then
add three percent to the total cost of Phase III, because Phase III is
then going to be too sparse and would need to be upgraded? I mean,
where will it end?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: What's the distance from that 700 feet
and then County Barn to Santa Barbara? Because it's actually a
shorter segment of --
MR. RYZIW: From County Barn to Santa Barbara? I believe it's a
little bit over a mile through the intersection.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: But is there any reason to think they're not
going to want the same density of plant material as the people in
front of Countryside?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: They may, but the point is, is it's
closer in distance to the first phase, which was in your district,
which was about $230,000. So a three percent differential there,
you're looking at maybe 6,000 bucks; six to 10, tops.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, if we're going to do it today, we
ought to do it for Phase III as well, and not do this again. I mean,
if what we're saying is that we want to enhance the gateway plan
further out -- and I see Mr. Botner in the room, and I wish you --
MR. FERNANDEZ: Madam Chairwoman, can I speak to that, please?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Please.
MR. FERNANDEZ: I would suggest that if the board has the
interest in changing the plan, that you have the whole plan in front
of you, that you understand the implications of if you tinker with it
here, what happens over there. I really think it's a better way to do
that than to sit here today and try to visualize in your own minds
what you'd like to have happen and then give us specific direction
that may or may not have that effect.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I'd support looking at the master plan to
see if now that we see it in the ground, we know we want more trees,
we want more planting in the gateway features of the plan. I'd
support looking at it for that purpose.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I don't mind doing that. Is there any
interest in correcting the one segment that's completed? I certainly
don't know that we should be making the adjustments on Phase III today
without the plan in front of us, but to make the $15,000 adjustment.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: George Botner's in the room. George? Could
we invite him up here to the microphone? I would like to get his
input on the whole project and the fill-in piece and what his
professional opinion is.
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CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And if I could just, just before you
comment, George, say that's exactly what I think our county
administrator is leading us toward is if we would reconsider this, we
could hear it -- we could look at this in an overall plan perspective
instead of just piecemeal.
MR. BOTNER: For the record, George Botner, president of Collier
Naples Scape. Also consultant on Phase I and II of Davis Boulevard.
I absolutely concur with the feeling that Davis Boulevard is, of
all the streets, the 144 miles of streets we have in our streetscape
network, one of the main gateways, if you will, into our community.
That in and of itself could be supportive of the argument that it
should deserve special landscape treatment, even more special than
that that is already afforded to the rest of that network.
The budget, of course, is -- and has always been a concern to
build-out of this whole program. And I think it's correctly observed
that as you travel from the core of our community out to the
perimeter, the landscape necessarily becomes less intense and more
native. That's always been the intent.
However, that can be ameliorated to some extent on gateways. And
that's what our feeling is right now, that if we did do an adjustment
to the streetscape master plan, it might be in the area of the
gateways and what we did to those.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I'd like to look at that.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Two weeks.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Two weeks? How about that, Members?
Anybody else interested in looking at the gateway features?
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Why don't we bring it back in December,
rather than two weeks? I'm going to be gone at 2:30. CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: In two weeks?
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: In two weeks. Try to keep that meeting
short.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I think we need to look at the whole plan.
I don't like just adding -- going and adding things, because I think
that what we need to do is look at the other gateways and make sure
we've done that correctly. But let's don't just go, you know, on knee
jerk reaction and go fill in something, because --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: No, I can't dis --
COMMISSIONER BERRY: -- you know, I'd rather look at the whole
plan.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I can't disagree. And that's the
argument I make once a month on our budget stuff. Because I like it
when we look at it in the whole big picture.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Madam Chairwoman, I would think that if the board
wants to take a look at this, you may want to give us more time so
that we can have the materials presented in your packets and we're not
rushing around --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That's good.
MR. FERNANDEZ: -- trying to distribute them. So I think more
than two weeks is going to be required.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: How about if we --
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COMMISSIONER BERRY: December.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- do it at your discretion at the earliest
possible date.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Can we shoot for December? Is that
enough time, Mr. Fernandez?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: 14th.
MR. FERNANDEZ: That should be.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: 14th?
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Yes. And I think I hear two questions from
-- Commissioner Berry I think raised an excellent point. Let's look
at the gateways, let's look at the total plans for gateways, let's get
the big picture if we might, please, so that when we make this
decision, we will be in sync for the total community.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: North and south.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: North and south.
Item #8B2
REQUEST FOR WAIVER OF LANDFILL DISPOSAL FEES FOR CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS
FROM THE "BUILD A HOME FOR GEORGE PROJECT" IN IMMOKALEE - APPROVED
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Great. Let's end at one more item
before we take our break, and that's the landfill disposal fee waiver
for --
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Motion to approve.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Second.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: All in favor, please say aye.
Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Passes unanimously. We'll be back in 15
minutes.
(Recess.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: We'll call the meeting back to order of the
Board of County Commissioners, November 9th, 1999.
On the next item about to come before the board on the Gulf Coast
Skimmers issue, I had just had a conversation with Mr. Hooley and he
was going to speak with his client.
Do you guys need a little more time, John?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: The yes or no question.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yes or no, please. Just tell me if you need
a moment more.
MR. HOOLEY: Yes, Madam Chairman, we would. But I would still
like to address the commission and then go outside and talk.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. I don't know how I can do that.
What I'm going to do is go ahead and take the next couple of
items, the next two items, which will be very short, to give you guys
time to talk.
Item #8C2
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PERSONAL GRANT FROM THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY TO INSTITUTE A FORMAL
LITERACY PROGRAM WITHIN THE COLLIER COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY SYSTEM -
APPROVED
So we're going to go to 8(C) (2), the Friends of the Library.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Move the item.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Second.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thanks. That's not going to give them much
time to talk if we do it like that.
MR. JONES: For the record, I was John Jones.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: You aren't now?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: That was a beautiful presentation.
MR. JONES: Thank you, sir.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Are there any registered public speakers,
she asks, slowly, trying to give them a little time in the hallway.
MR. FERNANDEZ: I think John Jones wanted to say a few words.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: He did.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Well, let's let Mr. Jones say a few words.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Or, let's pick a couple other quick
items up.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: No, let's hear from Mr. Jones. If he had
something to say to us, I think we ought to hear.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Beauregard, come on back.
MR. FERNANDEZ: He'll be brief. He just wants to say a few
things.
MR. JONES: I think probably -- if I have a few moments, then I
think probably I'd like to publicly state in front of this board of
commissions how much we appreciate the interest of the Lozier family
and their walking the walk, not only just talking the talk in bringing
forth this money to our use. And I think their trust in the public
library is being a vehicle to carry it out.
It is through citizens like this and the continued support of the
commission that the library continues to prosper. And we're not
unaware of the trust that you and the citizens both put in us.
And sometimes my humor may be misplaced, but we always recognize
who we are and where we are and why we're here. And in this case we
are here this morning because of Mr. Gordon Lozier and his generosity
to the library system in the county.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And this grant's going to be used for a
literacy program?
MR. JONES: We're going to -- we've had a two-year program, a
literacy program, on Marco Island for the last two years. We have 124
students. We have four trainers and about 60 trained tutors. Our
literacy program is a one-on-one opportunity.
We hope to expand it next year into Immokalee. But Immokalee
this year we're putting the information referral service in. And so
one step at a time in Immokalee.
But the information referral service that's going into Immokalee
will provide an access point for all citizens to come to say where can
I get this? And we're going to start first with county, state,
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federal, churches, putting together a data base of where all types of
services are located. So that's going in Immokalee this year, the
literacy into Marco. And next year they'll be flip-flopped.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And for people who want to access the
program should just contact their local library branch?
MR. JONES: The literacy program?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yes, sir.
MR. JONES: Yes, ma'am. At the present time, though, it's only
going to be available in Marco and in that area, and we'll expand it
out after we get it up and running.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you, sir.
We have a motion and a second on the floor.
All in favor, please say aye.
Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That passes unanimously.
And Ms. Filson, would you remind me to write a letter of thanks?
Item #SD1
ROBEY-BARBER INSURANCE SERVICES, INC., SELECTED AS THE COUNTY'S GROUP
HEALTH CLAIMS ADMINISTRATION COMPANY - APPROVED
Item 16(D) (2) Commissioner Constantine pulled from the agenda.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I'll move the item.
answered by staff during our morning break.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, there you go.
Is there a second?
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Second.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: All in favor, please say aye.
Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That passes unanimously.
*** ~CUMENT MAY BE FOUND AT THE END OF THE MINUTES ***
Item #1
RESOLUTION 99-416, APPOINTING LARRY MULLINS TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING
COMMISSION - ADOPTED
I got my question
How about if we do Item 10(B), appointment of member to the
Affordable Housing Commission.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: 10 what one?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: 10(B), as in boy.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I make a motion we approve Larry
Mullins.
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
Motion and a second.
Opposed?
(No response.)
Yes, second.
That's an excellent idea.
All in favor, please say aye.
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CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That passes unanimously.
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RESOLUTION NO. 99-416
A RESOLUTION APPOINTING LARRY MULI.,INS
TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMISSION.
WHEREAS, Collier County Ordinance No. 91-65 created the Affordable Housing
Commission and provides that the County Commission shall appoint five (5) members to the
Affordable Housing Commission and the City of Naples shall appoint four (4) members to the
Affordable Housing Commission; and
WHEREAS, the term of one (1) member expired creating a vacancy on this commission; and
WHEREAS, the Board of County Commissioners previously provided public notice soliciting
applications from interested parties.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS OF COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, that Larry Mullins is hereby
appointed to the Affordable Housing for a three (3) year term, said term to expire on October 1,
2002.
This Resolution adopted after motion, second and majority vote.
~i;,~,,:DAT..ED: November 9, 1999
ATTESTi':
DWIGHT i~. BROCK, Clerk
signature only.
Approved as to form and
legal sufficiency:
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
PAMELA S. MAC'KIE, Chaigwoman
David C. Weig~
County Attorney
DCW/kn
November 9, 1999
Item #10C
RESOLUTION 99-417, APPOINTING JAMES R. GIBSON, JR. AND BEVERLY EDWARDS
TO THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT PRODUCTIVITY COMMITTEE - ADOPTED
10(C) appointment of -- I think it's two members to the
productivity committee.
COMMISSIONER CARTER:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
say aye.
Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
I go with committee's recommendations.
Is there a second for that?
I'll second that.
Motion and a second. All in favor, please
That passes unanimously.
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RESOLUTION NO. 99-417
A RESOLUTION APPOINTING MEMBERS TO
THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT PRODUCTIVITY COMMITTEE.
WHEREAS, The County Government Productivity Committee was established by the Board
of County Commissioners through the adoption of Collier County Ordinance No. 91-10, as
mended; and
WHEREAS, Ordinance No. 91-10, as amended, provides that the Committee shall consist of
13 members; and
WHEREAS, there are currently two (2) vacancies on this board; and
WHEREAS, the Board of County Commissioners previously provided public notice
soliciting applications from interested parties.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS OF COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, that:
1. James R. Gibson, Jr., is hereby appointed to the County Government Productivity
Committee to fulfill the remainder of the vacant term plus an additional 2 year term, said term to
expire on February 4, 2002.
2. Beverly Edwards is hereby appointed to the County Government Productivity Committee
to fulfill the remainder of the vacant term plus an additional 2 year term, said term to expire on
February 4, 2002.
This Resolution adopted after motion, second and unanimous vote.
DATED: November 9, 1999
ATTEST:
GHT'E. BROCK, Clerk
Approved ~s ~o
~d lcg~ su~ciency:
David C. Weige['"
County Attorney
DCW/kn
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
PAM~LA S.-I~IA~'KI~, Ctlair~r~an
November 9, 1999
Item #10D
IMMOKALEE ROAD DESIGN AND WATER QUALITY SWALE - DISCUSSED
I can tell you about Item 10(D). That's subsequent to the letter
that we got from Mr. Tears. He has had further discussions with our
staff and they have come up with a program that they think is the most
efficient way to address the problems of the swale without delaying
Immokalee Road, which is just not an option. It cannot possibly be
delayed.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: It certainly is not an option.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I understood that.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: This commissioner would have mutiny.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Oh, yeah. Appropriately so.
So I don't feel the need --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: That explains that gun you were
carrying this morning.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Absolutely. We're tough out there.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I don't need to discuss that item, so --
unless somebody else has something they were dying to say on that, we
could consider that -- COMMISSIONER CARTER:
committee --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER CARTER:
board to that committee.
Could I come back to the productivity
Yes, sir.
-- for a moment? I'm the liaison from the
And what they're looking for from the board
is any time we have projects, that we bring it as a board to them.
They don't want individual board members just coming and bringing a
project. They'd like to know what we the board want. So if any of
you have specific projects that you want them to look at, I would be
happy to discuss those with the committee. Because there was some
discussion about them redefining the role, what they should be doing.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I think it'd be a good idea, Jim, if we
could see probably even on a quarterly basis their matrix of work and
continue to either endorse or supplement or take things off on a
quarterly basis. If you could bring us back something like that, it
looks like support from the board.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Good.
Item #8C1
REVIEW OPTIONS RELATING TO LEASE BETWEEN COLLIER COUNTY AND THE GULF
COAST SKIMMERS WATER SKI SHOW, INC. (GCS), INCLUDING POSSIBLE SHARED
USE OF LAKE AVALON AND OTHER LEASED FACILITIES BY TWO FACTIONS WITHIN
GCS, SUSPENSION OF LESSEE'S OPERATIONS OR TERMINATION OF THE LEASE
AGREEMENT - WITHDRAWN BASED UPON RESOLUTION OF CASE #99-880ca AND
AGREEMENT THAT SOUTHERN EXTREME AGREES NOT TO SUE GULF COAST SKIMMERS
REGARDING SUSPENSION OF USE OF LAKE AVALON
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CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I see the lawyers back in the room on the
Gulf Coast Skimmers Item 10 -- I'm sorry, 8(C) (1). Have you guys
reached any kind of an agreement?
MR. HOOLEY: Madam Chair what I remember, I think we need to --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Mr. Hooley, come to the microphone, and then
we'll hear from Mr. Reinertsen. Yes, sir?
MR. HOOLEY: My name is John Hooley. I think we actually need to
be heard.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay, thank you. That's what I needed to
hear.
What I had asked them on the break is I'd asked them earlier --
just so the board knows what shenanigans I've been trying to pull --
is I've asked both groups if they would voluntarily suspend their use
of the lake, pending resolution of the legal case. Apparently that is
not something that could be agreed to. So we'll hear from Mr. Olliff
on this matter.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Madam Chairman, how many -- we're going to
get into speakers, I'm sure. Could we know how many speakers and
looking at the time frame?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I have checked and there are 30 registered
speakers.
I want to advise the people who are registered to speak that
before you speak, I'm going to ask you what you have to talk about.
If you want to talk about what a wonderful organization this -- either
of these two water-ski groups is, that's not relevant for today.
Today's question is simply what shall this board do in reaction to an
order by a judge with regard to the lease, which is a legal document.
I'm not going to be talking about the Skimmers.
I have to tell you, I am aggravated that all these children are
not in school. They belong in school. They should not be here. I
specifically said that ahead of time to Mr. Gursoy. Please don't
bring these children here. Please send them to school. Because we
don't have an issue in front of us today that is relevant for
children. We have a legal question in front of us today. And we may
or may not get to hear from these kids, depending upon whether they
have a law degree or some understanding of the legal issues we are
faced with today.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: One other question, Madam Chairman. Is this
going to be the last item before the lunch break? Well, the only
reason I'm saying that, is there are people here, and if they don't
need to be -- if they don't want to sit through this, then they need
to know where on the agenda they're going to fit in and what the time
frame's going to be.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I'm hopeful that it's not going to be the
last item before the lunch break. Probably unrealistic. It's 11:00.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Would it be safe to say we won't get
to the land use items, the afternoon agenda, so to speak, until this
afternoon?
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: I think that's safe to say.
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COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Because we'll still have -- even if we
get through this, we've got the road plan and --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And we've got the evaluation.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: You've got the evaluation. So -- and I
don't think you're going to get to that before noon.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, the only thing I could promise is that
we won't get to the afternoon agenda before the lunch break. So let's
see how it goes.
Mr. Olliff?
MR. OLLIFF: Good morning, commissioners. For the record, Tom
Olliff, public services administrator.
This morning -- in fact late yesterday, I believe, you should
have been handed an executive summary which helped to fill in some of
what was provided in the executive summary that was in the actual
printed agenda package. That executive summary was prepared after the
staff had received a copy of the final court order from the court
regarding access to the lake.
In the executive summary outlines for the board's consideration,
three options in response to the court order, and in trying to keep
this brief, I'll just generally go over each of those for you.
The first obviously is simply compliance with the court order,
which provides shared access to both groups to Lake Avalon. The court
order is fairly clear in that it provides access on Mondays, Tuesdays,
Wednesdays and the first part of Saturday morning to the group, which
in this executive summary we've referred to as Southern Extreme. The
only reason it's been referred to as Southern Extreme is simply just
to clarify for the board in trying to at least help understand the two
different groups and the issues. It has nothing to do with the
judgment call on who's right or wrong in terms of the actual case.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Probably better just to call them Group A
and Group B, or somebody might object to that.
MR. OLLIFF: The court order did require that sufficient
insurances be provided to the satisfaction of the county.
Late in the week last week a letter was sent to both parties
regarding insurance issues that were still outstanding. As of the end
of the day Friday, all of the insurance issues had been resolved and
letters were then sent to both sides saying that in accordance with
the court order both groups would have access to the lake.
Saturday morning, simply to avoid that again, Mr. Reinertsen's
and Mr. Hooley's group had access to the lake and did ski. And I
personally went out there on Saturday morning, and frankly, I think
things went very well. It was conducted well. Everyone seemed to
have a good time and they were out of there by 12:30 in accordance
with the court order.
The second option provided for you is actually a consideration of
a termination of the existing lease between Collier County and the
Gulf Coast Skimmers. The executive summary does provide for you the
very limited termination language that is included in the lease
document that's in existence.
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Clearly, I don't think that the issues presented by the court
order provide you with an opportunity to terminate under the specific
language that's provided therein in the lease. However, we do believe
that the County Commission has the opportunity under its Chapter 125
Florida Statute and home rule powers to terminate the agreement,
should it believe that there is a legitimate safety concern for either
the participants in the organization or the general public that
accesses the park. Obviously there would be some risk involved should
the board decide to make that decision.
And the last option, and this is the staff recommended option, is
a suspension of the lease. As in the termination option, there is not
specific language in the lease that provides for a suspension.
However, again, under the county's statutory abilities to look out for
the community's health, safety and welfare, we believe that should the
board make a finding that there are legitimate safety concerns at this
lake, with both groups using the facility, that they have the ability
to suspend the lease.
Now, what is recommended is a suspension until such time as the
court makes a determination as to which of the groups is in fact the
president and board of directors of the Gulf Coast Skimmers.
With that -- I think I'd be available to answer any questions,
but I think knowing that there are 30 speakers, Madam Chair, we --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Just one question. Would you -- what case
would you make for this board about whether or not there is a safety
concern for the two groups to be operating -- to be sharing the lake?
MR. OLLIFF: I think in the executive summary package that you
have, it includes the number of police reports and incidences that
were filed over the course of the summer. And this is a period of
time when there was a great deal of contention between the two groups.
I think there were at least 15 different incidents where the
police were called onto the site and have filed police reports. There
were a number of issues in regards to confrontation and agitation
between both groups and the park ranger staff that was there. And I
believe there were several issues where there were actual public
safety issues that arose.
Now, I will not stand here and tell you that I can know that that
kind of a contentious atmosphere is going to exist should we allow
both groups to have access, but I can tell you, that is the history.
And I will also point out that if there are 30 some odd
registered speakers here this morning, it points to the fact that this
is still a very emotional, passionate issue for the people that are
out there. And while I would like to think that both groups could
participate at that lake, I think an old adage that kept me out of a
lot of trouble my mother used to always tell me, better safe than
sorry. And unfortunately, I think that kind of holds true here, too.
I think from the county's perspective, I cannot sit here and tell
you that the participants that are involved who are primarily children
who are dealing with boats and motorized equipment and heavy
equipment, in some cases are the general public that goes into that
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park, are going to be benefitted by both groups having access, given
the past history.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I'm going to say, based on my knowledge,
that there has been a history of serious safety concerns there.
That's the reason why I've spoken to both groups and asked them please
to voluntarily suspend use of the lake until the judge decides which
group is the Skimmers.
As far as I'm concerned, it's just like, you know, the deal with
Solomon, he said he'd split the baby, and then you saw who cared about
the baby, because they said, no, no, no, give it to the other one.
Well, in this case I'm unable to get -- I'm unable to determine who
cares about the Gulf Coast Skimmers, because I do not have an
agreement from the two groups to suspend the use of the lake. And I
think that is the safest, best thing to do. I wish it were a
voluntary on behalf of those two groups. And I'm going to ask them
again as they come up here, will you voluntarily suspend use of the
lake in the best interest of the program.
Commissioners? Commissioner Constantine?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Tom, you mentioned a proposed
schedule. How many groups are you trying to schedule in that
proposal?
MR. OLLIFF: Two.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: How many groups does the county have
an agreement with?
MR. OLLIFF: One.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: And that's the crux of the issue. And
we're not going to decide today who's in charge of that one group.
Hugh Hayes is at some point. And so I've got to agree with
Commissioner Mac'Kie. I will tell you what absolutely distresses me
and that is the attorneys involved.
Last week I sat down with John Gursoy and I spoke on the phone
with Dave, and both of them said in the way of the true mother and
Solomon, you know, whatever it takes. We're here for the kids. If we
need to suspend the program, I've got no problem with that. Neither
one of them had a bad word to say about anybody. They were concerned
about the program and the long-term end.
Both have attorneys, and both have changed what they've said as
of yesterday. I haven't talked specifically with Dave, but I talked
to the attorney. As a matter of fact, I talked to their attorney 30
minutes after I talked to Dave, who told me the exact opposite. No,
no, we can't give that up, and then Terry Lenick saying no, there are
legal issues involved.
That's silly. That's absolutely silly. And I would ask both
groups, the leaders of your groups, not the attorneys, to do what is
in your heart and do what's in the best interest of the kids. And
listening to the attorneys and trying to fight one another in this
venue is not what's in the best interest of the program or the kids.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Other comments, commissioners?
COMMISSIONER CARTER: I just happen to agree with both you, Madam
Chairman, and Commissioner Constantine, that it is a tragedy for this
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community that adults can't get together and resolve an issue in the
best interest of children instead of letting legal technicalities
drive a process where a judge will finally have to make the decision.
I agree, we have a contract with one group. I agree, we need to
suspend until the adults get their act together.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: I can't argue with any of those points that
are made.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: That's exactly my feelings.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So we'll call the public speakers, and we'll
see how we can deal with those as they come.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Okay. The first two speakers are Terry Lenick
and John Gursoy.
MR. LENICK: For the record, my name is Terry Lenick. I'm the
attorney for Mr. Gursoy and the group. And just on a light-hearted
note, I know some attorneys and they're nice people, too.
Here's the legal problem, which is what I've got to tell you.
First of all, it's been suggested that this whole process has been
caused by John Gursoy, and I'd like to make sure it's straight up on
the record that this meeting was not caused by Mr. Gursoy.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: You're talking about whether -- why we're
having this meeting today? We're having this meeting today because as
we got an order from the judge, the commission asked our staff, how
shall we deal with that?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Right.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That's why we're here today.
MR. LENICK: The other thing is, is I tried to get an evidentiary
hearing before Judge Hugh Hayes to put Mr. Olliff on the stand with
regard to the matter. Judge Hayes did not want an evidentiary
hearing, he did not want to hear any evidence, and he just split the
baby, is what he did, without anything. So that's where we're here
now today.
With regard to the organization, Mr. Gursoy and his board of
directors have a fiduciary obligation to the organization to continue
the status quo and maintain the course of events, because if he
doesn't, then he's subjected to the other side coming back and saying
that he got rid of the baby or killed the asset during his reign and
he's got a liability problem.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Let me hold --
MR. LENICK: That being said --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- you on that point, Mr. Lenick, because
that's the crux of the question here. And I, you know, respectfully
disagree with your legal interpretation there, because the fiduciary
duty that the president of an organization or a member of a board of
trustees has is to do what's in the best interest of the organization.
If you get adequate assurances from this County Commission that a
suspension, a voluntary suspension of use of the lake will not affect
-- that this county will honor the lease that it has with the
organization that is identified by the court as the Skimmers, then
that asset is not at risk.
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What I'm asking you today is could your client please, in the
best interest of the Skimmers' organization -- he has -- in my
judgment, he has a duty to agree to step back and wait for the
resolution of the case.
MR. LENICK: If we can get a -- it's not the County Commission
that I'm afraid of with regard to the client. I mean, my client's
been the big signet in just about everything.
What I'm afraid of is that the other group, the other fraction,
will sue him for breaching the fiduciary obligation, not maintaining
the entertainment show, not maintaining the goodwill, et cetera.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Could we get some kind of a --
MR. LENICK: If they will assure us that they would agree to the
thing -- as I told you, Chairman Mac'Kie, in the hallway, if they
would agree, then that would relieve us from that legal problem that I
see to also agree. Okay? So what it comes down to is if -- my
understanding is Mr. Reinertsen and Mr. Gursoy may have already
agreed. If the attorney for Mr. -- the other group will agree, then
you probably have a solution here.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Then I'm going to take the Chair's
prerogative here and call Mr. Hooley as the speaker.
MR. HOOLEY: Thank you, Madam Chairwoman.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: If you'd get on the record, please, sir. I
don't know, it's not funny to me.
MR. HOOLEY: My name is John Hooley. I do represent the
Skimmers, but I'm also a voter. You all have to answer to me and you
all have to answer to your constituency.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Today are you here in your capacity as a
voter or as an attorney?
MR. HOOLEY: Both. Both.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I wonder if there's some conflict there, but
go right ahead.
MR. HOOLEY: This is a complicated situation. I know you're all
honorable people and you all want to see what's done for the best of
everybody. And you want to be fair and you want to look like you're
fair. And in order to do that, what do you need to do? You need to
hear all the facts. Now, who's doing that? Judge Hayes is doing
that.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: No, I'm sorry, I'm going to interrupt you,
because I've called you up at this moment out of order for the
specific question of asking -- the purpose of asking you this
question: If Mr. Gursoy's group --
MR. HOOLEY: We're not going to sue Mr. Gursoy for breach of a
fiduciary duty because they suspended at the lake. That's crazy.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay, then pause. Then come back, Mr.
Reinertsen, please -- I'm sorry, Mr. Lenick.
Is that statement sufficient to address your concerns?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Is binding?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: It certainly could be made binding in a
written documentation.
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MR. LENICK: I think what -- I think it's real simple. If he'll
agree to a suspension, we can then agree to a suspension.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Mr. Hooley, will your group agree to suspend
use of the lake, pending the outcome of the case that's before Judge
Hayes?
MR. HOOLEY: We spoke about it. We still think that we should
have a hearing in front of the board. I mean, we may agree later, but
we've got some issues that need to be resolved first.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That are issues with this County Commission?
MR. HOOLEY: With the County Commission today right now.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Then let's go back in order with the
speakers.
MR. HOOLEY: You want to be fair, you've got a judge's order.
The judge is trying to be fair.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I'm sorry, Mr. Hooley, I meant let's go
back in order with the speakers. We'll go through the process, if
that's what you want.
MR. HOOLEY: Fine.
MR. FERNANDEZ: John Gursoy and then Susan Rue.
MR. LENICK: I don't have anything to say. I'm here legally
representing that that's really the position.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Can I just ask a quick question? And
this is out of order as well. But I saw Dave actually nodding when
you were asking up here at the podium will they agree to a suspension
as well.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Maybe we should ask Mr. Reinertsen to come
to the podium.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Because if he will, I think we can
solve this. And, you know, maybe not. But --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Could we -- are you a registered speaker,
Mr. Reinertsen?
MR. REINERTSEN: Yes, I am.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Would you speak now? Same question I asked
your lawyer.
MR. REINERTSEN: My name is David Reinertsen.
And yeah, you know, we'd be glad. I mean, we've waited eight
months and obviously we're disappointed, because we were --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I know.
MR. REINERTSEN: -- when I spoke with Mr. Olliff, he asked us to
do the right thing and take the high road and stay away for awhile and
let the courts take its course. And that's what we did, you know.
And now we've waited all this time.
We went out there, we conducted ourselves like adults out there.
And, you know, it's pretty hard to have to tell all our kids, well,
you're going to have to wait longer again, you know. But, you know,
we can do that. I just want it to be a fair situation where -- you
know, I know Mr. Gursoy has the keys and all this. And we're going to
be playing this game again where, you know, all of a sudden there's a
show on the lake next week because we agreed to this.
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COMMISSIONER BERRY: No, there's not going to be.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: No, that's not what we're talking about.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: There's not going to be anything.
MR. REINERTSEN: We've been dealing with this -- you know, with
these false accusations, all these things, all these police reports.
Ridiculous. We weren't even there this summer.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I've got to do the same thing with you as
I've done with the others.
MR. REINERTSEN: I'm very sorry. I just -- you know, I just want
it to be fair. You know, it just seems unfair to us. And I'm sorry, I
do agree that we should, you know, do what's best for the whole
organization. I don't want to see us lose the lease. I worked long
and hard, and a lot of the rest of us did, for this. And it's great
for the kids, and --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So on behalf of the group that you
represent, are you willing to suspend use of the lake until the
resolution of the lawsuit before Judge Hayes, and are you willing to
waive any right to sue Gursoy --
MR. REINERTSEN: Well, that --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I'm sorry, let me ask the question.
-- waive any right to sue Gursoy on the subject of whether or not
this voluntary suspension was a violation of his fiduciary duty to the
organization?
MR. REINERTSEN: That's fine. He's already -- that's already in
the lawsuit, fiduciary duty, so it doesn't pertain to this, but it
pertains to the past.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So as to this action, are you willing to
waive --
MR. REINERTSEN: Yes, ma'am.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. So John -- or not willing to give up
a case they believe they already have against you, but they are
willing to give up a lawsuit with regard to the suspension of the
lease.
Mr. Weigel, are there other issues --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Thanks, Dave.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you.
Are there other issues that we would need to resolve in order to
address the concern about whether or not -- if these two sides are
willing to agree, is there anything else we need to discuss today?
MR. WEIGEL: I'm happy to be riding shotgun with you on this
mission today, Commissioner.
No, there are no additional issues. I think that it's been
framed appropriately in the executive summary before you. The
recommendation that is part of the executive summary is fairly
comprehensive, addressing elements of --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: But David --
MR. WEIGEL: -- health and safety --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- I'm sorry to interrupt you, but my
question is, can we withdraw this item from the agenda today because
the parties have resolved it --
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MR. GURSOY: We haven't resolved it.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- between themselves? Because they have
agreed to suspend use of the lake pending resolution of the lawsuit
before Judge Hayes, could we then withdraw this item from the agenda?
Is there any reason we need to hear this item?
MR. WEIGEL: I don't think so. I think that they have both
stated --
MR. GURSOY: I haven't had a chance to be heard.
MR. WEIGEL: -- on the record -- they both stated on the record
their intentions and with specificity that it's upon a judicial
determination in the court action. And from that standpoint, the
county would not have to take official action at this time.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Well, let's get Mr. Gursoy to state on the
record what his intentions -- CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, his lawyer has, but we'll hear from
Mr. Gursoy.
MR. GURSOY: Thank you. John Gursoy, president and founder of
the Gulf Coast Skimmers, for the record.
What my concern is, commissioners, is I appreciate Mr. Hooley
making a presentation and Mr. Reinertsen making a presentation.
However, they don't agree on what they both have said, so there's not
a congruency as to what might occur here.
With all due respect, we're trying to create a binding statement
here. I don't know if that is possible, as far as what their actions
will be in the future.
My fiduciary responsibility, as Terry Lenick stated, is to try
and keep the organization running as best as possible in this time in
which it is under duress and stress.
Importantly, there's several issues of why it is important to
continue operating. One is a financial. Susan Rue is our CPA who
will be testifying to that next --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Just a second, John. Terry said gosh,
if we can get past the potential lawsuit issue we can agree to the
suspension. You're now saying that's not true? Because frankly I've
heard both attorneys say something different than both presidents. I
don't need to hear from the attorneys if you're not actually
representing your client.
MR. GURSOY: I understand. Okay, I just want --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: But answer his question, please.
MR. GURSOY: -- the record to be heard. I know, I understand.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Is what Terry said accurate or not?
MR. GURSOY: I'm not there quite yet, okay?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So the answer is no?
MR. GURSOY: Because -- no, I'm not saying it's no.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, what --
MR. GURSOY: I'm in dialogue with you right now, okay?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Ail right.
MR. GURSOY: I'm asking for your respect, because this is
something new that was presented to me out in the hallway. My full
board of directors may or may not be here. I don't know, I haven't
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had a chance to look at the crowd. And to make this decision solely
on my own, I do not want to take that risk.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Would you like to have a five-minute break?
MR. GURSOY: I'd like to just --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay, John, go ahead.
MR. GURSOY: With all due respect.
But we have an obligation; one, to the community, that we provide
an entertainment venue out there. No. 2 is there's a goodwill fac --
situation here where the community is coming up on a regular basis.
We have benefactors and donors that I'm very concerned about that will
be interrupted if this could go on beyond December or further on. Not
to mention the kids. The kids having -- you know, that's a given right
there.
But more importantly, we might have something here where there is
nothing left when it's all said and done. Hugh Hayes even said you
may win in court, perhaps one of you parties might be the prevailing
parties; however, you still have the landlord to deal with. Okay,
this is what my concern is, that something like this would have come
to the table where if the show is temporarily suspended, the message
to the community is going to be very disruptive. The message to the
community is that we might not ever get back up on our feet again.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: We just said -- and in a moment it's my
intention to ask the board to vote to accept what I understood to be
an offer from the two parties to suspend use of the lake. With one
side, the Reinertsen side, agreeing that they would not sue you, Mr.
Gursoy, or your board for violation of your fiduciary duty with regard
to the suspension.
At the same time, I would ask if this board would reaffirm its
position that upon resolution of the court case, identifying who has
control of the Skimmers, Inc., that we would continue, we'd pick right
back up with our lease, as it is, to go forward.
MR. GURSOY: Right. And I'm saying that I don't know if it ends
up being anything left of the organization when it's all said and
done, because of the financial quandary it will put us into. We have
rent, we have insurance. We have no stream of income at this point.
We have money that is locked up in the banks that we cannot get to.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: But what expenses do you have if you're
suspending action?
MR. GURSOY: There's the -- we have rent, we have insurance.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: 10 bucks.
MR. GURSOY: No, not -- I'm not talking about your rent. I'm
talking about to maintain all the equipment that we store.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I'll bet you you can fundraise for that,
John, but -- okay.
MR. GURSOY: Okay, we're speculating, but I understand what
you're saying, Commissioner Mac'Kie. But what you're talking about
here is you're talking about a crisscross decision here. You have Mr.
Hooley saying they're not going to suspend you, and Mr. Reinertsen
saying they will suspend --
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COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Then why was Mr. Lenick saying you
will and Mr. Gursoy saying he doesn't want to?
MR. GURSOY: I'm not saying I'm not -- I'm not saying I want to,
I'm saying I'm just not quite there, because I need to have -- I don't
believe that this is a binding situation on the commitment that
they've made here, okay? I don't -- you know, if it's an element of
trust, we're walking --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: It would need to be --
MR. GURSOY: -- down that arena.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- documented in writing. I'm sure your
lawyers could take care of that. If it couldn't come to a
documentation, then it would be back where we are. But let's take a
shot at it, John, and see if we can.
MR. GURSOY: I understand what you're saying. I just don't feel
comfortable --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: What is it you want, then, John? If
documentation isn't enough, what is going to do the trick for you?
MR. GURSOY: Well, I don't know the legal process, Commissioner
Constantine, as far as what can bind the situation --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Your lawyer --
MR. GURSOY: -- so that their statement is valid.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: But your lawyer --
MR. GURSOY: That's what I don't understand.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: So does that mean there's nothing?
MR. GURSOY: No, it doesn't mean there's nothing.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Well, I need to know what it is you're
asking for. Because you're saying gee, I can't accept it as it is.
How can you accept it?
MR. GURSOY: What is binding about today's conversation that the
organization, my board of directors and myself will be protected?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I think Commissioner Mac'Kie just
pointed out, that would be reduced to writing.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And you would have to rely on your attorney
to be sure that he has written it down and they have signed it. And
once that happens, then it is binding.
MR. GURSOY: I guess I'm done.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay.
MR. LENICK: May I make a suggestion we might be able to
compromise?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Go ahead. I thought we were there already,
but --
MR. LENICK: Maybe the thing to do is to do it for a period of,
let's say, six weeks and then review again in six weeks?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: No.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: No.
MR. LENICK: Okay. Well, I take back the suggestion.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: What I might suggest is Dave's agreed
to something, Terry's agreed to something. What if you could reduce
that to writing by the time we came back from lunch?
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MR. LENICK: That would be probably difficult for two attorneys
to do, but I probably -- but I think we can agree from -- if you make
a motion that there's an agreement, actual lack of usage of the --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I'm going to make a motion, and I'm going to
make it with the proviso that if I state something that is not the
agreement of the two parties, they should immediately come to the
podium. And I put that to the two attorneys, in particular.
My motion is that this board accept the offer from Mr.
Reinertsen's group and from Mr. Gursoy's group that they will
voluntarily suspend the use of the lake, pending resolution of the
lawsuit currently before Judge Hayes.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Can you be more specific about that,
because --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yes. Tom, can you give me a reference to
that lawsuit? Has anybody got the case no? MR. WEIGEL: Yes.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you, John, good point.
Case no?
MR. WEIGEL: It's Case No. 99-880.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That pending resolution of that case, usage
of the lake by either of these two groups will be suspended. That in
addition to that suspension of usage, Mr. Reinertsen's group, on
behalf of all he represents, agree not to sue the -- Mr. Gursoy or the
members of his board for their acquiescence in the suspension of the
lake.
MR. GURSOY: And I want Mr. Hooley to come up here and state for
the record the opposite of what he said earlier, that he's agreeing to
this. Because remember, he has not agreed with his client's position.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay.
MR. GURSOY: Pam, I'm almost there --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Just a moment.
MR. GURSOY: I'm almost there, but he is not going --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Mr. Hooley, do you have any objection
to any part of the motion as I just stated?
MR. HOOLEY: I'm an employee of my clients. Whatever they want
to do is fine with me. I may have personal beliefs that --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: On their behalf, do you agree to the motion
as I stated?
MR. HOOLEY: I agree to your motion as stated.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Mr. Reinertsen, on behalf of your client, do
you agree -- I'm sorry, Mr. Lenick. I'm determined to call you by the
wrong name. Mr. Lenick --
MR. LENICK: I've been called worse.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- on behalf of your client, do you agree?
MR. LENICK: Yes, yes.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Can I get a second for the motion?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Second.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Just a minute. The only one other person
in this room that hasn't agreed to it yet is Mr. Gursoy.
MR. OLLIFF: Right, that's what --
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COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
MR. GURSOY: Right.
offered.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
I want to hear it on the record.
I agree with that if that protection is
Okay.
Fine.
Mr. Weigel, at this point,
if the board
accepts that, can we withdraw this item from the agenda and not hear
from the public speakers who are registered? What would be the
process?
MR. WEIGEL: Well, I think that the item is heard with the board
not taking action but accepting the offers that are placed on the
record.
My question is with Mr. Gursoy's comment he accepts with an if.
I don't know why we have an if there, which leaves a question.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: John, when you answered my question, you
said I accept if they gave me that assurance that they're not going to
sue you. Did you mean I accept because they have given me that
assurance that they're not going to sue me?
MR. GURSOY: I guess I'm not following you. I guess my concern
was that Mr. Hooley was up here saying that they're not going to
suspend, Mr. Reinertsen said they will suspend.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: No, no, no. Now that everybody has said
they will suspend and that they will not sue you for your acquiescence
in suspension, do you agree, yes or no?
MR. GURSOY: I agree.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you.
MR. GURSOY: Okay, I agree.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Now, one point of clarification. If this
motion is successful, which it probably will be, that means it's in
effect immediately --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Correct.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: -- as of this second.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Absolutely.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Okay.
MR. GURSOY: Yeah, I understand that.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Anybody skiing on the lake right now,
we'll take them down.
MR. GURSOY: Right, okay.
However, there are some concerns regard to there are still some
improvements being done relative to the construction lease, and there
are still some things that need the attention out there, such as
sprinklers, some basic mulch that needs to be put down. We would need
access in order to do those basic things.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Tom, I -- how would you address that?
What's your recommendation?
MR. OLLIFF: Well, the only construction agreement that's in
place has actually expired. I mean, there is -- we are beyond that
construction agreement. So I don't personally see any reason for
anybody to be out there on that leased premises till --
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CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: We'd like for nobody to be there for any
reason.
MR. GURSOY: Okay. Well, but I -- there's some landscaping
issues and what have you that aren't completed yet associated with
that.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So we don't --
MR. GURSOY: I can work that out with staff.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- put in some plants.
MR. GURSOY: I can work that out with staff.
MR. OLLIFF: Frankly, if there's something to be done out there,
I'd much rather have staff just do it.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you.
MR. GURSOY: Right.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. There's a motion and a second on the
floor. Any further discussion?
All in favor, please say aye.
Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Motion passes unanimously. So this item is
withdrawn.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Madam Chairman, I think it would be --
MR. WEIGEL: No, not withdrawn.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: -- more appropriate to table this item --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Well, what we did was --
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: -- an indefinite period.
MR. WEIGEL: The motion was not to withdraw. Pardon me. It was
heard and the board took no action on the staff recommendation.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: It actually was taken --
MR. WEIGEL: It is accepted --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- is an acceptance of the --
THE COURT REPORTER: One at a time. I can't get you both talking
at the same time.
MR. WEIGEL: Pardon me.
The board is accepting the offer of the parties before it and
relying upon that offer in relation to the lease.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And staff then withdraws this item and can
bring it back to us at any time.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Same -- I thought just parliamentary-wise,
it would be nice to just table it so it would be ready to go at any
moment.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I think it still is.
Okay, thank you.
Item #8E1
RESOLUTION 99-418, POLICIES AND ORGANIZATIONAL CHANGES TO ENHANCE THE
EFFICIENCY OF FUTURE ROAD PROJECTS - ADOPTED; TRANSPORTATION AGENT
POSITION TO BE ADDED; AND ADDITION OF AN ATTORNEY TO FOCUS EXCLUSIVELY
ON EMINENT DOMAIN CASES
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Now, the next item is to talk about 8(E) (1), adoption of policies
and organizational changes to enhance the efficiency of future road
projects.
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
item?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
it 25 till?
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
that one?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
Are you -- is this going to be the last
I bet we could do vacation time, too. Isn't
Yeah, yeah. No, that -- you're going to do
Yeah.
Okay.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay, let's hear about the road projects.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Madam Chairwoman?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And you kids get to school.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Free will?
UNIDENTIFIED MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: No one forced me to come here.
I came on my own free will.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I don't doubt that.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I understand, but you need to go back to
school.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: But go to school of your own free will.
UNIDENTIFIED MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: It's lunch time.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: All right, good deal.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: That's good. That's a good time to go.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yes, Mr. Fernandez.
MR. FERNANDEZ: This is a presentation that we previewed at your
last meeting. This is a result of a combined effort of your staff.
All the departments involved in the road project planning process have
gotten together and have come up with a number of recommendations that
we would like the board's support for today to allow us to go forward
and bring these back to you in a more formal setting.
The first of the recommendations that we came up with, we
recognized that the issues that delayed road projects had primarily to
do with the acquisition of right-of-way. We discovered that the
timing of the acquisition process contributed greatly to that delay,
and we have come up with some recommendations that would address that.
In this case, the first recommendation is for the board to adopt
an ordinance which would identify different types of roadways,
depending upon the nature of the road, depending upon the amenities
that the board would like to have added to that. And carrying with
each specific right-of-way corridor that would be required.
By identifying that corridor up front, we could begin the
right-of-way acquisition process immediately, rather than waiting till
the 60 percent design stage of the project to start the right-of-way
acquisition.
So the recommendation is that the board consider an ordinance
that establishes at the very beginning what the dimensions of the road
will be, what the cross-section will look like, whether there will be
a median, whether there will be four lanes, six lanes, whether there
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will be sidewalks, urban sections, rural section, swales, gutters.
All of those will be decided at the front end of the process.
The second recommendation has to do with the need for linking the
implementation of plans with the planning process. And here it was
found that there was the need to focus the staff effort on this by
adding an additional position. The additional position will be
linking the planning process with the actual implementation of those
plans.
The third is to add an attorney dedicated to the eminent domain
process. We find that we incur substantial costs to retain counsel
for this process each and every year. The trend is that those costs
are increasing every year. So our recommendation is that an attorney
be added to specifically address the right-of-way acquisition of the
eminent domain issues.
These recommendations have been discussed with the CBIA, and I
can say that they're here today -- they're represented here today to
speak. But this has been met with enthusiastic support on their part
and we're very pleased to have that support. The feeling was that
these improvements will greatly enhance our transportation project
planning process.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Question, Commissioner Constantine?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I appreciate the attempt to make some
changes here. I do have a question, particularly for Mr. Weigel. On
the third item, you and I had had a brief conversation discussing the
hiring of outside and the expenses of that versus bringing somebody
in. And I just wanted to get your comments on the record, if we
could.
MR. WEIGEL: Okay, thank you.
Well, I think as the board is aware, we have used outside counsel
for a period of years. In fact, nearly 20 years we've used outside
counsel, in particular, Joe Fixel, currently of the firm Fixel and
McGuire.
I wanted to make sure that the board understood that in
attempting to take a snapshot of costs for any one particular year --
of course, the figures must be accurate. But also, that can be
potentially misleading. As an example, with outside counsel costs for
a specialist in the field, of which there are only eight or 10 firms
in the state that do so, our costs were significantly less than 20,000
in 1997. Approximately $65,500 in 1998, and about 153,000 during
calendar year 1999, not quite completed.
And I'll try to keep this short, but we go against -- we, the
county, in pursuit of the public good here, go against the expert
counsel of the state far more often than one might ordinarily think.
And the fact is, is a slip between a business damages, severance
damages and all the nuances that are there I think certainly require
more than just adequate counsel, and far more than pay for -- and the
distinctions and differences for expert counsel.
I think that we would in the short-term be doing a disservice to
think that we could hire inside counsel for -- using an average figure
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of 140,000 for both counsel, legal assistant, specialized, and a legal
secretary.
Additional costs that would need to be considered would be the
fact that county attorney office has no room for expansion, so it
would require a resultant reconfiguration of the county attorney
office and probably some movement of other offices to accomplish this.
This thing may be something to consider over time, but I frankly
am pretty proud of the timing and ability to deliver in regard to
quick-take lawsuits, which is that's what we do is quick take. And
usually within 10 or 12 weeks within the files being appropriately
provided to the county, we've got a hearing in court and we've
obtained the property.
On those cases where we haven't obtained the property is where we
use the leverage that we have with someone who knows the county very
well to continue to negotiate to avoid some of the business and
severance damages that can result in very high expenditures.
And as you're all aware, property rights in the State of Florida
are pretty well protected on the private property side, including
statutory percentages for outside counsel fees. We think we have a
pretty good record of reducing those costs and getting the job done,
once it gets to our office.
And so from that standpoint, I think that the bringing in of
counsel to our office is going to be something that we're going to
have to hire someone, probably at a salary more than mine. I don't
have a problem with that, but I want you to know the realism of
attempting to do that.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Realistically, is there -- you
mentioned a quick-take process from the time you get the paperwork
until we can actually take the property in that process; 12 weeks,
roughly.
Is there a realistic time frame -- understanding the court system
-- to shave that any? I mean, is there -- can this proposal make that
eight weeks or six weeks or four weeks?
MR. WEIGEL: I appreciate the question. No, there's no
distinction between outside counsel or in-house counsel, filing the
suit and getting the court dates.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: But I think Bob's point is, is that part of
our problem has been perhaps that counsel are overworked or
understaffed, but somehow the lawyer part of this process has
contributed to its delay, so --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: And that's my question, is there a way
to speed that up?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: But my question is --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I just wanted to hear back on mine
first.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay.
MR. WEIGEL: I'll answer them both, of course.
I think that to hire a dedicated eminent domain counsel, it's not
that it can't be done, but the fact is that even Joe Fixel, at his
government rate -- albeit a high rate to what government attorneys are
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paid -- but even he's not working full-time on eminent domain cases.
And so I think that our office probably would be enhanced to have an
additional trial attorney that can provide additional jury trial
litigation. But that's been my goal. And we've approached in fits and
starts the last four years anyway of handling far more in-house
litigation, not just eminent domain, than ever before. And our
participation in eminent domain is significant compared to even three
years ago.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: The other point you raised that I want
to you elaborate on a little bit is liability issues, lawsuit issues,
as they relate to private property rights and the risk you take. If
you have someone whose specialty is this, and you mention there's only
maybe eight or 10 around the state, how is that different than hiring
someone and hoping that they are an expert or, you know, doing our
best to have an expert in this?
MR. WEIGEL: Okay. Well, it's no secret that fine attorneys come
and go through the county attorney office. Many of them are
practicing before you now, but -- not in the county attorney office,
but they've spent some time there.
When we have an outside counsel under contract, we've got him
under contract. And when I -- my office, and call it a -- I don't
know if you call it a shortcoming in management, but I'll call it
tight listed management, that we don't have an excess of attorneys so
that when we get a lot of trials set up or if we run into an excess of
litigation where the county is the defendant -- it's going to take
staff and it's going to take us away from other jobs. And we
reprioritize all the time.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: But David, now to my question, which is
okay, it's easy to shoot holes in this proposal. The question,
though, is in your professional expertise, we -- there is a real
problem. What do you recommend as a solution? If Bob's solution is
not the right one, what is the right one?
MR. WEIGEL: Well, I didn't say that his solution generally is
not the right one or that it does not have significant merit. And
he's certainly taken a comprehensive approach at it. But I think that
the idea that the funding of outside counsel can be done and a
one-year snapshot shows a 5,000 differential from the average salaries
of all my assistant county attorneys, none of which are specialized
eminent domain counsel --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: But I'm asking you how to solve the problem.
MR. WEIGEL: Well, I think that -- I think that my office would
be enhanced to provide better service if we had another litigation
counsel, but not solely dedicated to eminent domain. But I think that
we're well served and it would be premature to dump outside counsel
who, incidentally, we haven't had the turnover of outside counsel --
as I stated, a 20-year relationship -- a significant loss of expertise
in turnover in the transportation and engineering departments here.
Those people are gone. But we still go out and get them and bring
them back in.
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COMMISSIONER CARTER: If we have a strategic planning process, it
seems to me that here we are, we're in the -- I'm not against what we
want to do here, but I don't like throwing people at the situation
without us having a good organizational plan that may say we need
phasing.
Is there any part of this that your current staff can do in
conjunction with outside counsel in a strategic plan, once we identify
that we have "X" number of corridors that we need to acquire? And I
don't see this at this point. Maybe it's too early. But I'm not
looking for an either/or answer, I'm looking at --
MR. WEIGEL: No.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: -- can we do a combination.
MR. WEIGEL: I appreciate the question, a good one, and that is I
think there is something to do. And to develop attorneys in-house,
which I'm working on right now, we've come a long way. See, we used
to do none of that in-house except for Ernestine Cousineau (phonetic),
now deceased, who worked with Joe Fixel, outside counsel for many
years.
But I think that the outside counsel that we have brings clout to
a very sophisticated and high risk process. And to achieve the
in-house expertise will take a very significant fiscal contribution,
as well as time to do. And I think it's something to aim for.
But at the same time, I think it's very important to see that
over the course of several years what the kind of outside counsel
costs are, because I don't think -- it may be projected that we're
going to have even more condemnation going on than we do right now all
at one time. And if that's the case, then -- and we're pretty sure of
it, then I think that we can enter into that phase and bring in
in-house counsel. But I don't think that hiring in-house counsel --
it's going to take a good one, and that's going to cost. CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Mr. Fernandez?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Madam Chairwoman, I think it might be helpful if
I spent a little more time talking about the process that we used to
arrive at these recommendations. CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay.
MR. FERNANDEZ: I didn't just go off in a closet somewhere and
come out and say I've got the solution. We got everyone together,
everyone involved in the process, including the county attorney's
office. I think there were four representatives of the county
attorney's office at that meeting.
We took the process completely apart. We identified things that
had been traditional standing what we thought to be policies of the
Board of County Commissioners, reasons why projects take as long as
they do.
And in the case of right-of-way acquisition, we came up with a
series of recommendations which included the need for dedicated
in-house counsel. We think that's going to solve a big part of the
problem that we have.
There are other things that we're doing. There's some things
that I've already done administratively to make some organizational
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changes to put the people under transportation that need to be there
for some control purposes.
Sandy Taylor is here to talk to you, if you'd like to hear from
her, about the specifics of that right-of-way acquisition process and
why she thinks this is such an important recommendation.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Can I, just before we go to that? We're
focusing on this one piece of your proposal, but there -- it's much
more involved than just that. MR. FERNANDEZ: Yes.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And I had a couple of questions about the
program. I like the idea of designating certain types of roadways,
because that will serve a lot of purposes. One is as you and I've
discussed right now when we go out for roadway acquisition, we often
find ourselves having to come back a second and a third time as the
design is finalized, and this would avoid that problem.
A question that I have or a concern that I have about it is --
I'm as sick of talking about Immokalee Road as I'm sure you are, but
as we've looked at Immokalee Road and how it was designed, what we
heard is the county adopted a policy about roadway design, and now the
staff has gone forth and implemented it. And now that it's about to
hit the ground, I don't like the design and so I complain about it.
I'm worried that if we -- why shouldn't I be worried that if this
-- if we adopt these road segments and identify today this is the kind
of roadway we're going to have on A, B, C road and we do that what,
five years ahead of time? MR. FERNANDEZ: 10.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: 10 years ahead of time?
MR. FERNANDEZ: As many as 10, yeah.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: What you told me is that conditions changed
on Immokalee Road, so that later when we came to actual time for
construction, the design was inappropriate. Why shouldn't I worry
that that's going to happen again?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Well, I think one answer to that is the planning
process has improved. I think we have a better idea of the ultimate
design of our transportation system. I think as recent as 10 years
ago, the planning process for road design was not quite as
sophisticated, and some of the growth that we've experienced may not
have been anticipated as well as we now can anticipate the growth.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Commissioner Berry?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I don't know how -- I feel that part of the
accuracy here is there must have been a time when the commission told
and gave direction to the staff that build the road, do it as cheaply
as possible; in other words, get the thing in. And they weren't
concerned about aesthetics.
All right, those conditions have changed now. We've all sat up
here. Commissioner Mac'Kie, you have expressed your concern, and
that's one of your concerns about Immokalee Road; in other words, the
swales and those kinds of things.
I think that staff has heard this, and I think that they have
come back and said all right, here's how we can address this in the
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future. The board is giving direction that cheap isn't always best.
And I'm not one that's saying go out and throw tons of money at it,
but that they can address the problem and address the conditions much
better than what they did in the past. Because the board at that
time, they probably weren't building as many roads.
And frankly, we've got a condition right now, we haven't built a
road in this county in three years. All right, so add that on to the
time prior to when a board -- I'm not -- I don't even think probably
some of the members that were -- that gave the direction years ago
were even on the board at that time.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I wonder if there even was a direction.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: So what they did with Immokalee Road was a
plan that had been there under the former policies of the Board of
County Commissioners was brought out and probably put into use when we
said we need to get this thing moving.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Sure, that's exactly what happened.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: And so consequently -- and I can understand
them doing that. However, things -- times have changed. Now with
times changing and boards giving direction, they've come forth with a
plan here that says we're going to do business differently.
And if I might for a moment, one of the biggest problems -- and I
go back only three years. Many of you have got more experience up
here than I do. But I can tell you a concern out on Golden Gate
Boulevard.
The staff came out multiple times and talked with the community
out there about what they wanted for a roadway. The staff was saying
we need to plan ahead, we need to acquire right-of-way for -- at that
time I think they talked about a six-lane roadway. Not that they were
going to build six lanes right now, but somewhere down the -- down the
road they might want to build six lanes, if that's what the community
dictated in terms of traffic.
The community went up in arms over this. So they went back to
the original, as I understand it, the four-lane roadway. But my
concern is that what happens in the future, have we acquired enough
right-of-way that in the future if they need to put six lanes in, do
we have enough right-of-way?
MR. KANT: Edward Kant, transportation services director.
In some cases, probably not.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: And this is a problem. And this is where I
see, when staff says I think -- these are the professionals. These
are the people you are paying to take a look at our situations in
Collier County and come back with a recommendation to us.
Now, if you want to totally ignore what they're saying, then we
can dismiss all of them and we can sit up here and tell the county and
tell Mr. Fernandez how we think that roads ought to be built in
Collier County. But if they're saying to us -- and eminent domain
rules, unfortunately this is one of the biggest problems. Was it not
a problem on Golden Gate Boulevard in terms of acquisition of
right-of-way?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Immokalee Road --
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MR. KANT: Yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: It was a problem.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Absolutely.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: All right. And what was the problem, Mr.
Kant?
MR. KANT: Typically in a right-of-way acquisition on an adverse
basis, you only want to take one bite at the apple in the sense that
if you feel you need 20 feet, you have to go after that 20 feet,
rather than trying to get 10 feet and then maybe in a couple years we
can go out and get another 10 feet, or maybe six months later we
change the design and find we need another three feet.
And what Mr. Fernandez is proposing in terms of a corridor
acquisition concept provides both the county and the citizens with
much more flexibility in letting us look at a typical cross-section.
I don't want to for one minute let you think that we won't ever have
any more adverse action. Sometimes we spend as much time trying to get
a corner clip or a taper for a turn lane, but we don't want to give
you those details. We can't give you those details up front.
So we're asking for that flexibility. And also, it does help in
giving the citizens some idea of what and when their property might
come under inspection for scrutiny for future roadways.
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER CARTER:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
direction.
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
Absolutely.
I absolutely think --
I don't dis --
That this is a huge step in the right
You betcha.
And the concern I have is just are we going
to -- I want to be sure, Barb, that the policy that we adopt today --
because I have to say, I don't remember. I wish somebody could show
me in the minutes somewhere where the board adopted a policy that said
build cheap roads fast, you know. I --
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I think it was just the general philosophy
of the board. I don't think anybody particularly said build a cheap
road. I think the philosophy of the board was in trying to be as
fiscally responsible as possible that, you know, build the road and
probably don't do a lot of extras --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Right. I don't doubt that.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: -- okay? And I'm not sure now that the
extras that they might have thought of at that time are really extras.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And Barb, that's exactly --
MR. FERNANDEZ: Madam Chairwoman?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Let me just say, because this is exactly the
question that I have. This is exactly the point. And I support this
concept. Bob knows that I do. I think this is a big step in the
right direction.
My worry is not about the process, about whether we hire lawyers
in-house or outside, or however that's handled. My worry is are we
being farsighted enough so that 10 years from now when some other
board is up here, they're going to say good job that board did back in
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'99 adopted with this foresighted policy, or are they going to say how
could they have been so stupid, didn't they foresee that what we're
really going to need is less medians, more medians, something
different?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Well, Commissioner, hindsight's 20/20
vision, okay? And we've got a bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks
sitting out there that have got a 100 percent record. So, you know,
as far as that's concerned, it's never going to be perfect. But I
think that we can do -- and I think with this proposal, this is 98
percent better than what we've had in the past, okay?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I agree with you.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Madam Chairwoman?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yes, sir.
MR. FERNANDEZ: That's really the point. What this seeks to do
is to put together at one point in time all the features that the
board is looking for in a particular roadway, rather than starting
with the basic road, adding something to it later, adding beautified
medians, adding sidewalks, whatever the case may be, which is the kind
of thing that had been happening.
This requires the board to change the way it approaches it. It
requires the board to make some difficult decisions, admittedly, up
front and decide what's that road going to look like and how much
right-of-way is going to be required to make it look that way.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: And if I --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And is the ability in your proposal, Mr.
Fernandez, that if in the professional opinion of your staff three
years from now they say hmm, I know the board adopted this policy that
said this is the way we're going to do this, but we think it needs to
be modified a little bit. We see some changes. We have a
professional opinion that varies --
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Come to the board.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- you're going to bring it to us?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Sure. That's always an option that's available
to staff --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: No matter --
MR. FERNANDEZ: -- that's available to the board.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Regardless of the fact that we've adopted a
policy today, you won't say I can't bring it up because it's contrary
to board policy. That's what I don't want to see happen.
MR. KANT: If I may, commissioners, I think it's important --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And then John.
MR. KANT: -- too to recognize that as I review the -- at least
the 21 years that I've been here, there has been a marked change in
not only what the board has directed but what the public has desired.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Sure.
MR. KANT: 15, 20 years ago there was little if any thought given
to pathways, let alone landscaping. Naples Scape, when the City of
Naples did the first landscaping project, I can remember the human cry
about what it was going to cost to maintain that.
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Now we have a process which is going to give us 144 miles of
landscaped medians and edges. We also have a pathways master plan
that was a gleam in somebody's eyes six years ago. So we have a much
different expectation on the part of the public.
And so it is, it's a partnership in a two-way street. And we want
to try to make that as easy, through Mr. Fernandez's suggestions, for
the public, as well as for staff.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Commissioner Norris?
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Yeah. Before Mr. Kant speaking there, you
were talking about one of the things that gives me a little bit of
concern and that is what happens if conditions change and we want to
change ourself? What we're being asked to do is number one adopt an
ordinance.
Do we really need to adopt an ordinance, or do we just need to
set a policy? Because if we adopt an ordinance, you can be sure that
the very first project that comes up is not going to meet the
ordinance, one way or the other, and you're going to have to waive the
ordinance and --
MR. FERNANDEZ: There's nothing magic about ordinance other than
it really sets it in stone. If the board feels more comfortable with
establishing that policy by resolution, we can do that.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Only one question. We haven't really
touched on Item No. 2 yet, and that is add a transportation planning
agent. Particularly you and I have talked about this. The MPO looks
-- the big picture in transportation planning is doing what we need to
do now.
Is there any other option? I don't necessarily disagree, but is
there any other option to improve communication, other than adding
another body into the --
MR. KANT: I'm glad you asked that, Commissioner.
Prior to our reorganization of our traffic operations section,
there was a senior engineer position which I held prior to my being
named as director of the department. As the number two individual in
the department, I spent probably eight years doing just that type of a
job for the then director.
That position no longer exists. And so until I can figure out a
way to get cloned or to bring a technician in, I think that that's a
very important position. And I brought that up. Mr. Fernandez has
agreed that we need to pursue that.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay, other questions? Yes, Commissioner
Carter.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: I agree with the policy direction. But
policy to me is where you take this and it keeps evolving as the
community needs change, and you can get it through focus groups or
whatever you need. And that is a part of the planning process.
And the strategic plan is something you lay out and constantly
evolves and amends as your community grows. I want to know where
these corridors are. I want to know -- I want to see the plan in this
process. I hear the policy, I want to see the plan, number one.
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Secondly, you want to deliver an organization to deliver the
plan. That's what I see going on here. Do we have one of these, do
we have one of those? I'm not real comfortable yet with what you
need, but I -- that's not the job of the board to de-structure the
organization to deliver the policy. That's what you have a CEO for,
to come up and say this is the best way to do this. As long as we can
accomplish it. Whatever you need, whatever Ed Kant needs, whatever
Bob Fernandez needs. Whoever needs what, let's get it done. MR. KANT: And that plan exists, sir.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Let's have a policy that continually moves
with a strategic plan so that I'm not sitting here two years from now,
or my predecessors 10 or 20 years from now saying how did we get here
in this mess? It should evolve. It should meet the needs without
people coming back and saying, gee, are we doing the right thing? I
want to get out in front of this thing.
MR. KANT: If I may, Commissioner, the plan that you refer to,
the roadway plan or the traffic master transportation plan, does exist
in the Growth Management Plan. And we examine that every year and it
does change. The basic tenant, however, doesn't change. And that is
that once we have identified that we have a roadway segment that we're
going to have to build at some point in the future, we have to acquire
the right-of-way for.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Absolutely.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Absolutely.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: And I'm saying let's do it and let's get
out there and make it happen and look at the possible additional
connectors or corridors that we have to have in this plan, and get it
down and go out and acquire the land now and not sit there till the
last minute and say geez, we've got an expensive deal here, we can't
get --
MR. FERNANDEZ: That's exactly what this plan does.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And if anybody does make a motion, you know,
to perhaps adopt this as a resolution -- I think is a good catch,
instead of an ordinance -- I hope that it will include in it
instruction to staff that this is, as you say, Commissioner Carter, a
morphos process, that it will continue to change. Because I'm going
to overstate a position here to make a point.
I have felt like that staff could come to us and say -- when
mistakes were pointed out or when something could be better, that
staff would come and say well, it was board's policy; you adopted the
policy, we're just implementing your policy. I don't want to hear
that about this road program. That is my fear is that once we adopt
this, it will then become the excuse for well, we did it according to
policy. I want a policy to be adopted that is so darn flexible that
you have the obligation to come to us and give us your best
professional recommendation all the time. Commissioner Norris?
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Well, the way around that is to have this
policy reviewed on an annual basis by the board. That's all you've got
to do. And then if it's not working the way anybody likes, it's the
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staff's opportunity to come up and say we think you should do it this
way; it's our opportunity to say staff, we think you should do it this
way. But at least you get to look at it on an annual review. And so
10 years from now you don't have to say Well, we should have changed
this policy five years ago.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Right.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: And John, I expect the CEO to bring it to
me on an annual basis and let me know where we are.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
takes --
COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
That's just like what I suggested.
Or on a weekly basis, if that's what it
Well, annual.
-- if you see a problem, bring it.
Annual should be --
Commissioner Constantine?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Madam Chairman, I make a motion that
we adopt as a policy with that annual review caveat in there the first
two points. I'm going to ask that we have the third point brought
back to us and that our manager and our county attorney sit down and
talk about that some more, just on their own.
Commissioner Berry made the point, you know, we have
professionals out here who are experts in their area. I want to make
sure the county attorney is completely comfortable. We've hired him to
deal with what we need to on our legal issues. So I just want to make
sure he's comfortable on that. Maybe we can bring that third element
back.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Commissioner Berry?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Yes, I can go along with that. But my
concern is that I don't want any roadway project being held up because
of legal problems.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Exactly.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Okay? And if it means that you have to have
an ongoing relationship with outside counsel, I don't know -- and
maybe Mr. Fernandez knows -- what -- has there been a delay with the
use of outside counsel? Do you think that this would speed up some of
these cases?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Here again, I think Sandy Taylor could answer
that very specifically.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Is she here?
MR. FERNANDEZ: She's here.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yes, she is.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Sandy, I -- Madam Chairman?
MR. FERNANDEZ: But it is our recommendation this will speed up
the process.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Okay. Let's hear from Sandy and see if
there's something to support this.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: On the point of whether or not we include
the third issue.
MS. TAYLOR: Again, I apologize, I wasn't prepared to speak.
I've been with the county about 15 years, and probably around eight
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years ago we had an in-house county attorney that helped us with real
estate and eminent domain. And I'll be honest with you, the process
was so smooth, I wish we could go back. And that was my reasoning to
basically recommend that.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And David, is that -- if the position were
for real estate and eminent domain matters, would that be a broad
enough description to get your support?
MR. WEIGEL: Well, I think that's important in the sense that --
MR. FERNANDEZ: Yes or no.
MS. TAYLOR: I've got to be fair to David. I need to say
something. He does have an assistant county attorney assisting us,
but based on the workload, that individual is doing a lot of other
things. So I think it's going to be up to David to say how important
is it, and let's assign that to real estate and eminent domain through
the entire process. We're having difficulty getting to Joe Fixel
because we have to go to David's office, they go with Joe, Joe goes
back to David, David comes to us, and that's a lengthy process.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Sandy, you hit it for me. And that's
exactly the problem I have with so much of this is that we need to
find a way to get people to work in teams to get this stuff done. And
if you have to split somebody between whatever functions, let's get it
done. And I want an organization.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: But Jim, it's just been proposed to us what
to do.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Okay. And I'm saying, let's make sure it
happens and not get bogged down, well, I'm sorry, this attorney only
works on this and this one only works on this. My question here is how
are we doing the work? Keep reevaluating how we do the work and get
the people to do it and reorganize the teams to get it done.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I see Mr. Weigel grimacing there.
MR. WEIGEL: Grimacing's not allowed, but what I'll say is, if
you go back historically when we were, quote, doing it in-house, well,
we never had any trials. In fact, we rarely have any trials.
And the fact is, though, is that I can vouch, having been hired
before that counsel was working, that yeah, they learn a lot while
they're with us. They certainly leave our office far more broadly
empowered than they are when they come in. But the thing is, is that
the laws change.
And we can hire counsel to come in and be either dedicated solely
for eminent domain -- that attorney won't be working on eminent
domain. He'll be sitting bored some of -- or she bored some of the
time because it's not a five-day all the hours of the workday process.
Preparation for court cases and for court requires fits and starts
with agendas and deadlines and requirements under civil procedure.
But the thing is yes, our attorney, Ms. Ashton, for instance,
who's been the real property attorney for many years -- and a very
fine one, I might add -- does assist significantly with eminent
domain. She also works in development services. And that's where I
say, if we want to, I could use -- I can use the ability to
reprioritize within my office and more purely dedicate Ms. Ashton to
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the areas of real property and eminent domain. But I quite frankly --
I don't suggest that she be the eminent domain jury trial attorney,
nor does she at this point.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Let me be clear on the intent of my
motion. It wasn't to eliminate the third item. It was I want our
county attorney to be comfortable with the direction we're giving
toward his office. He's clearly uncomfortable. And if we implement
the other two portions and spend two weeks making sure Sandy and Dave
and Bob can sit down and make sure they're all talking the same
language and that they have some understanding of where we're headed,
that's probably just a good idea.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: David --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I'm not saying --
COMMISSIONER BERRY: They already had a meeting --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: David? Would you be comfortable, David, if
what we did was authorize an additional attorney position and ask you
to come back and show us how you're going to assign the
responsibilities within your staff?
MR. WEIGEL: I'd be delighted to do that. But I just wanted you
to know that in regard to getting expertise for eminent domain
counsel, the figures may be twice of what was offered you today. With
the support staff and -- I don't even have the room. We've got to
move real property out of the eighth floor or something if we're going
to put people in there.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Mr. Weigel, when Commissioner Berry
just said I thought they already did that, you looked uncomfortable.
Did the three of you sit down and discuss this specifically?
MR. WEIGEL: Well, we did at a large meeting, but it wasn't at
that meeting that we suggested that there should be an eminent domain
attorney assigned to the real property department under the auspices
of the real property department. And that's what came from that
meeting.
And I've had some discussions since that time, that it seems
inappropriate for an attorney to be working for the Board of County
Commissioners out under the auspices of the county attorney. And I'll
be responsible for the attorneys and suffer the lumps along the way.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: But where you physically house that
attorney may be irrelevant. They could sit in community development.
They could sit anywhere. They don't physically have to be in the
same space. This is what I'm trying to get across. Put people where
you need them and they can report to wherever. I don't care. Get
them where they can interact and communicate with each other.
MS. TAYLOR: I agree with David, they do need to work with the
county attorney's office --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Of course.
MS. TAYLOR: -- not for real property. I do not have the
resources available.
But I think Bob wanted to mention, too, that his recommendation
is to still utilize, say, Joe Fixel, perhaps on a trial basis.
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Our problem is the day in and day out questions and answers and
getting involved in even the design, business damages, what type of
damages appraisal-wise. We don't have that person available. And
we're kind of doing it by the cuff. And it's going to get us in
trouble one day. So it would be nice to have somebody involved
through the entire process.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I want to ask Commissioner Constantine if he
would amend his motion to add an attorney with a specialty -- or
specifically designated to provide those services that were just
described, but to work under Mr. Weigel and to have -- if he needs to
bring back to us some schedule of how he is rearranging his attorneys,
then so be it.
But I think the need for an attorney is clear, as long as what we
say is he's going to work for Mr. Weigel -- he/she is going to work
for Mr. Weigel and he/she is going to be primarily available to answer
these real property questions, the details to be worked out among the
staff. Would that be an acceptable third piece?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Mr. Weigel, do you think that will
speed up our eminent domain cases?
MR. WEIGEL: Marginally. But I'm happy to go forward with that
and bring back all the information that I can. And of course I'll
bring back budget information, which you'll need to know, to act upon
those things, too.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Would you agree to that, then, Commissioner
Constantine?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I'll withdraw my motion.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Is there another motion?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I make a motion to adopt the three items
that are presented, with the caveat on -- in regard to the attorney
position, that whatever that position is that is hired, that that
person will be available at all times to real property, and also to
anyone that's working with the transportation department. Whatever
information they need, if that person's working on another project,
their sole responsibility is to this department, though they can still
do other items as time permits.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Is that a policy or an ordinance?
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
yes, sir.
Make it whatever you want to make it.
Make it a resolution.
That's fine.
Is there a second for that?
That was all three items?
Yes -- oh, then we go to public speakers,
But is there a second before we go to them? No, we'll hear from
the public speakers before we see if there's --
MR. FERNANDEZ: David Ellis and then Ty Agoston.
MR. ELLIS: Good afternoon. My name's David Ellis and I'm with
the Collier Building Association.
Just very briefly, again I want to thank you in your efforts at
the meeting. We brought our paper about transportation. We're very
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pleased to see how quickly the staff has reacted to that. We had a
meeting with them where they went over a lot of these proposals, as
well as some other organizational changes they're making that seemed
to really be moving this process in the right direction.
Certainly as you've identified today, right-of-way acquisition is
really one of the most -- the fundamentally difficult challenges in
this process. And as we heard from the man who made the presentation
on impact fees on roads, right-of-way acquisition also is the greatest
cost increase that we're seeing in roads.
So anything we can do to expedite that process and look ahead I
think is not only going to speak well to the process, but certainly
moving it along quicker and in a more affordable manner for the
county. And that's certainly a great concern for all us.
And certainly I think as we're looking ahead on funding issues
for this for roads in our community, I think we can say to the
community we're doing our best work in moving ahead in an expeditious,
affordable, appropriate manner. I think that helps us as we go to the
citizens and say -- and we may need more funding to make this all a
reality.
Again, we thank you for all your work and we do appreciate the
staff and the organizational efforts. It's really hopefully going to
really begin to make a real difference. Thank you. CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Ty Agoston, final speaker.
MR. AGOSTON: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. My name is
Ty Agoston. I'm a resident of that endangered Golden Gate Estates.
I'm also a co-president of the Taxpayers Action Group. And I am right
now speaking in both roles.
As co-president, we at TAG has been promoting the idea of
increasing the impact fees to more truly represent the factor that
growth should pay for growth. It has not been a very popular
acceptance on your part, but be as it may, somewhere, somebody's got
to pay for these. If you ever get a new road built. As Ms. Berry
mentioned, there has not been a road built in this county for the past
three years.
I am new at this game, but since I'm coming here, the basic
problems that's being covered is growth. Everybody mentioned that
people are complaining about growth. Well, I see it -- the way I see
it, people complain about growth because they get stuck trying to
cross Airport by Pine Ridge.
We -- I remember having discussions about flyovers, and I don't
really even know what the hell they are. I always thought those were
called overpasses. But the fact of the matter is, if that's what it
takes to get out of a traffic jam, I am sure most people will go along
with them just fine.
They are not going to be able to get the U.S. Army Corps to stand
across 95 (sic) to prevent people from coming in here, as much as they
try to.
As far as my personal involvement, I am the recipient of two bad
roads in this county, probably the two worst roads in the county. One
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of them is the much talked about and very little done about Immokalee
Road, under which if you want to get onto Immokalee Road from Wilson
Boulevard, it takes sometimes as much as 10 minutes.
The other one is Golden Gate Boulevard, where 14 people were
successful in stopping the road the way it was originally planned.
And what I don't understand -- I mean, as far as I'm concerned, that
was mishandled from square one, because the large disagreement with
that road was that it was a six-lane highway going through hell. And
to be perfectly honest with you, the six lanes you only talked about
as a potential, and nobody came around to explain that. And you have
plenty of high price people here, including yourselves, to come out
and try to impress these people that no, you are not planning to build
a six-lane highway to hell, you are planning to be some future
conscious so your children and grandchildren will also be able to use
the roads as they are needed.
I also would like to say that the problem I have with this
current administration of the county is that I know nothing about
managing any organization of this type, but I saw the problem with
roads four years ago. Any reason why a plan like this was not put
into effect four years ago when you guys were faced with this problem,
everybody came to you about complaints?
I remember Mr. Hancock, as a matter of fact, brought up a point
where he considered a potential way to control growth is by
controlling building roads. Now, whatever he meant with that, I'm not
quite sure. But the fact of the matter is, is that no matter what you
do, people is going to be very, very impatient if they have to stand
in a traffic line.
I have spent plenty of hours going through the Lincoln Tunnel or
in the middle of New York City, so I am more than experienced with
waiting. And I believe that if we're going to build either Golden
Gate Boulevard or Immokalee Road without acquiring sufficient property
for future expansion, we are not really doing a proper job. Thank you
very much.
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
to what the speaker said?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
Madam Chairman?
Yes.
May I just make one comment, too, in regard
Of course.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Only one.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I'll limit it to one.
Ty, I take offense to the idea that no one from this board came
out and spoke about.
MR. AGOSTON: I take it back --
COMMISSIONER BERRY: -- what was going on. Yeah, you better take
it back, because I'm telling you, I spoke long and hard about that
roadway. The Golden Gate Estates Civic Association and any other body
that would listen --
MR. AGOSTON: You're right.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: -- and got shot full of holes, okay, because
of planning ahead. It's one of the few times where planning ahead
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really took a hit. And I think it's the most ridiculous thing that
this county can do and not plan to acquire enough right-of-way to
build future roads.
MR. AGOSTON: Absolutely.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I mean, that is our cake. And for anybody
-- Sarasota County, you can go right to the north up here and look
what Sarasota County's attitude was about building roads. If we don't
build roads, you won't get people in Sarasota County. And you take a
look at what happened up in that county.
Now, if you want that to happen in Collier, we can throw this
whole thing right out the window.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Second.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: And Mr. Norris will --
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Open the window.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: -- open the window.
I'm sorry, I'm -- I'd like to restate my motion.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: How do you feel about that?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I'll tell you, I'm very, very hot about the
road situation in Collier County. And I think it's time that we moved
off square one. And you have a presentation before you. And I can't
imagine that this board can sit up here after you have hummed so hard
and long about this, along with myself, and turn this proposal down.
Because if you're going to do that, then you're talking out both sides
of your mouth.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
Motion and a --
I made a motion and somebody seconded it --
I did.
-- and it didn't go any --
It hasn't been called.
Not to approve this.
I sure did.
You didn't second this.
I just did.
No, you didn't.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: He just did.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I thought you were playing on that other
thing.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: He just seconded your motion.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Good.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Somebody tie her down.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Motion by Commissioner Berry, second by
Commissioner Norris.
All in favor, please say aye.
Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That motion passes unanimously.
Let's take a lunch break and --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Can we do --
MR. FERNANDEZ: Madam Chairwoman?
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COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- 10 real quick? We've got a couple
of vets here. It should ~-
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Oh, sure.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- just take a couple of minutes time.
MR. FERNANDEZ: I was going to ask that we just do the vacation
thing very quickly.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Of course, let's do that then. Let's quickly
do the vacation item, because that can't take long.
Document not received in Clerk's Office as o£ December 28, 1999.
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Item #8E2
REQUEST TO ENHANCE VACATION TIME TO PROMOTE LONGEVITY AND EMPLOYEE
RETENTION - OPTION #1 APPROVED AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF
That's 8(E) (2). I think that was a great idea.
need to hear a presentation on it.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I don't either.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER CARTER:
issue?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
COMMISSIONER CARTER:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
leave quietly, please.
I don't even
Are there questions, or is there a motion on
The vacation -- whoa, whoa, the vacation
This is where we --
For the employees.
Well, wait a minute, wait a minute.
Excuse me as you're leaving, if you could
Commissioner Carter has a question.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: I have a question about this. We're down
here doing an attitude survey and we're trying to find out what it is
that employees want. I got one piece back, the vacation situation. I
don't know how much money we will have available to spend. What are
the true rank ordered needs of the employees of Collier County? This
came from the employee advisory committee, I understand. Have they
seen the attitude survey results? Would they reorder what they think
the needs are, or is this the only thing I'm going to see as a county
commissioner for the next four years?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Madam Chairwoman?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yes, sir.
MR. FERNANDEZ: I believe that in spite of the fact that we are
in the process of doing the employee attitude survey, the climate
survey, this is something that came to us through a different process.
I think the data that has been compiled by the employee advisory
committee supports the recommendation. You have comparative
information there of other jurisdictions. And I think there are some
good reasons why we should move forward with this, irrespective of
what other enhancements we may be bringing to you at a later point in
time.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: How many employees do we have right
now in that 10 to 20-year range?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: 10 to 20? 284.
MR. FERNANDEZ: It's in the backup. 284.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I didn't recall. Because I knew it
was a substantial number. And I think the point Russ has in here is a
good one is we just -- if you get somebody that long, we want to hang
on to them. If there's a little added incentive, great.
I agree with your point, we need to look at the big picture, but
I'm not going to hold this up in the meantime.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Are there other questions? Other speakers
registered?
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MR. FERNANDEZ: None.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Is there a motion?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Move approval of the item.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Motion to approve the item. Is there a
second?
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Wait a minute, there's two options.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: The first option. I'm sorry, the
10-year and 20-year.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Is that option 2?
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: That's option 1. I would prefer option 2,
frankly.
MR. FERNANDEZ: The recommendation is for option 1.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Recommendation is for option 1.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Is it? Okay.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So the motion is to approve staff
recommendation. Is there a second? COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Second.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: All in favor, please say aye.
Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That passes unanimously.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Thank you.
Item #10E
BENEFIT CONCERT TO COLLECT FOOD FOR THOSE IN NEED DURING THE HOLIDAYS
- APPROVED
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: ***Let's do -- out of deference to our
veterans who are here, go ahead and hear Item 10(E). Commissioner
Constantine.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Each you got the paperwork on this.
And we have money budgeted for a concert already, and we've got a
chance to bring some national talent here at a discount price. At the
same time -- I don't know what's funny about that, he made 2.4 million
in concert appearances last year.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Never heard of him.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: At the same time, collect food for the
less fortunate. And Ross Scott and Ray Truelove are here because
they're doing that as a project anyway. Our local vets collect, and
this is an opportunity to collect literally hundreds of food baskets
all in one day in time for the holidays.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: If I could say, we don't really -- this is
something that would normally come to us from staff. This is already
budgeted money. This does not require a budget amendment.
It's a great idea, as far as I'm concerned, to enhance the
program that the vets are already doing, to have this, you know,
opportunity to collect some food. If you want to tell us, maybe make
a plug for the program you're undertaking, we'd love to let you use
this time for that.
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MR. TRUELOVE: Well, thank you, Madam Chairwoman, commissioners.
My name is Ray Truelove. I'm the president of Vietnam Veterans.
This the Ron Scott. He's the chairman of the veterans council here in
town.
We're in the third year of our food drive or food program with
the Vietnam Veterans. And this program that Commissioner Constantine
is bringing forward would certainly help us with our food drive.
Scotty, you want to make a comment?
MR. SCOTT: The only comment that I would like to make is like
Ray said, we are in our third year of our food drive. We do this
annually. And right now we stand out in front of Publix for 10
weekends. We have been -- so far this year we have done four
weekends. And with this program that Mr. Constantine has talked
about, this could help out any and all veterans and homeless people in
the county, along with anybody that is in need. That is why we do
what we do. Thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And could you go ahead and tell us where
you're going to be this weekend, in case people want to make
donations? Is that set already?
MR. SCOTT: Yes, ma'am. It's also going to be in the newspaper.
We will be the at the new Publix store at Vanderbilt Beach Road and
Airport Pulling Road.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And if people want --
MR. SCOTT: We will be there Saturday from 9:00 to 5:00 and
Sunday from 10:00 to 4:00.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So people could certainly make donations of
food there. And also at this concert, if the board decides to go
forward.
Mr. Olliff?
MR. OLLIFF: Yes, ma'am.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Staff likes this idea? Staff can pull this
off?
MR. OLLIFF: We may need to borrow Ed Kant's clone to get it
done. Logistically I think it's going to be difficult, but I think
yes, it can be done. We've got about 30 days between now and then.
The location that was selected at Eagle Lakes actually allows us
a little easier type of an event, because I don't think we would have
to provide a great deal of transportation to that site. There's
enough on-site parking.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Will we be seeing a specific proposal for
the event, or is that something you'll just handle as staff and we'll
get announcements?
MR. OLLIFF: If the board approves this, we would have to come
back with a specific agreement, the entertainment agreement, just like
we do any other concern event.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Part of my recommendation, just
because of the time issue involved, is to grant the authority of the
Chair to sign that agreement without it coming back to us. Assuming
it meets the same parameters that was laid out in the recommendation
and passed to all of you.
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MR. OLLIFF: Then other than that, I would see nothing else that
would require board approval.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: The concept is really, really simple.
We get a budget item already set aside for a concert. Eddie Money
will turn out a big crowd. It's a chance to before the holidays bring
in a ton of food for those in need. And it seems like a no-trainer.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: It's kind of a gift to the givers and the
receivers, so it does seem like a good idea. Is there a motion?
COMMISSIONER CARTER: I make a motion that we accept the project.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Is there a second?
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Second.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Any discussion?
If not, all in favor, please say aye.
Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That passes unanimously.
Thank you for being here, and good luck.
MR. TRUELOVE: Thank you, commissioners, we appreciate it.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: We appreciate you.
Okay, we will adjourn for lunch then and be back at 1:30.
(Recess was taken.)**Document at end of minutes.
Item #10A
CO%FRTY ADMINISTRATOR,S EVALUATION - PRESENTED
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Let's call to order the meeting of the
Board of County Commissioners. It's November 9th, 1999. We're
returning from our lunch break. Let's see. We did the vacation.
Okay. We're to Item 10-A, which is the County Administrator's
evaluation.
As far as the process for this, Mr. Fernandez, we haven't
discussed it. Is it something -- is it your expectation that each of
us would discuss our evaluations with you; would you like to make your
presentation to us?
I can defer to it however you would like to handle it. Do you
want to hear from us or shall we hear from you or hear from the
public?
MR. FERNANDEZ: I can make my presentation now.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Is that how you're comfortable.
MR. FERNANDEZ: If that is all right with the Board.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That's fine with me.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Good afternoon, Commissioners.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Good afternoon.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Good afternoon.
MR. FERNANDEZ: I thought that it was appropriate that I make
some remarks prior to your evaluation. I think I have some things
that I would like you to think about before you formally give me your
evaluation. I joined Collier County in June of 1997 with the optimism
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and enthusiasm that I would be undertaking the challenges of
maintaining a very high quality of governmental service while
addressing in a rapidly developing community the expectations that
taxes would remain among the lowest in the state. Since that time,
we've not only met the expectations and the dynamics of this growing
community, but also in many areas we've moved to new levels of
accomplishment.
I've previously submitted to you a self-evaluation, which
includes a full discussion of the progress that has been made and the
accomplishments that can be identified. That document is included in
your agenda packet for today's meeting and I refer you to it. In
addition to this information, however, I am proud to call your
attention to a number of important initiatives for which I'm
responsible.
The first category is policy initiatives. We've made funding of
a geographic information system a priority in this County. We've
identified it to be an essential information tool in a rapidly growing
environment. We've introduced measures to extend the life of the
landfill, including aggressive odor control techniques.
We've proposed a long-term plan for the development of County
facilities in order to meet our future needs in a well thought out and
logical manner. We've proposed a funding strategy in order to meet
our long-term infrastructure needs. And this initiative has included
new revenue sources, as well as creative financing techniques to
maximize additional revenue sources.
Although not all of these proposals have enjoyed the unanimous
support of the Board, they represent efforts to provide policy
guidance to the Board on important issues. Each initiative represents
an issue that's been previously addressed by past policy decisions.
The willingness to revisit these issues demonstrates the commitment to
address important policy questions, regardless of their popularity or
political correctness.
In the area of improved communication, the newly developed County
Administrator's Response Engine that we call CARE, combined with an
expanded Web site access has greatly improved our response to citizen
inquiries. A full employee organizational review has been undertaken
in conjunction with Florida Gulf Coast University. And this effort
has been undertaken to accurately take the faults of the organization
in order to target necessary improvements in a proactive manner.
Preliminary findings from this study reflect a positive reaction from
the organization to my management style.
Improved interface with the independent fire districts was the
result of the creation of a Board approved emergency services
division. The recent creation of the County Administrator's Diversity
Committee promises to improve employee relations and opportunities.
We've seen unprecedented success from the well attended town hall
meetings held throughout the County as organized by County staff.
Numerous program initiatives have been spawned by this effort.
The improved public information function has enhanced the profile
of County government through monthly television shows, weekly radio
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announcements, increased frequency of press releases, enhanced
interface with emergency management during storm events and the
promotion of departmental efforts resulting in national recognition.
In the area of improved employee morale, I've taken the
participative approach to management that I have professed throughout
my career. And although this empowerment has required significant
adjustment on the part of many employees within the organization,
results can be seen in the many indications of increased employee
morale that we have received.
I've also introduced aggressive salary administration policies,
including a package of performance-based raises, pay plan adjustments
to keep us competitive and general wage adjustments when economic
conditions warrant. I've initiated plans for the development of an
enhanced wellness program, providing incentives for employee wellness
initiatives while reducing employee health care costs.
In the area of improved efficiency and accountability, new
supervisory training programs have been initiated enhancing the
preparation of our supervisors' ability to fully implement policy
directives in a consistent fashion. Increased control of payroll
expenses has resulted in the assurance that allocated funding amounts
will not be exceeded. This is unprecedented in this organization.
Improved accountability for construction of parks and
administration facilities was accomplished through reorganization,
which placed project managers in parks and recreation in facilities
management departments. Quarterly reports have been expanded and
enhanced providing the Board with complete information on the progress
of budgeted activities.
In the area of positive feedback, the recent vote that soundly
rejected the union is the strongest statement from our employees that
our management approach is effective. While we have identified a
number of issues that require our immediate attention, the margin of
victory clearly conveys the message that this is not an organization
in crisis. The continued positive results from the annual citizen
survey undertaken by FGCU, the League of Women Voters and Fraser and
Mohlke Associates continues to confirm the high levels of public
satisfaction with County services.
Enthusiastic support of the CBIA for our road project enhancement
recommendations that we presented this morning confirms the excellent
relationship that we enjoy with community and business organizations.
Improvements in cable television coverage of County government has
improved our public image and resulted in many positive comments.
In spite of these accomplishments, it has become clear to me that
I no longer enjoy the support of the majority of the Board of County
Commissioners. Discussions with individual commissioners have
resulted in inconclusive and sometimes conflicting feedback. Whereas
one commissioner may applaud my empowering approach to management,
another may feel it results in my giving too much power to my
subordinates. While one commissioner looks to me for visionary
leadership, another suggests that I behave as though staff regards the
Board as an obstacle in the process.
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One of the reasons I've chosen to endure this process is to bring
clarity to the expectations of the Board of County Commissioners as a
body. Some of the comments that I've received question the
appropriateness of my management style given the dynamic nature of
Collier County. My approach to management has been developed over a
period of more than 20 years. In that time I've had the opportunity
to learn from a wide variety of issues, personalities and
circumstances.
I've made many mistakes and learned from them. I've also had
many successes from which I've also learned. My management philosophy
has not changed dramatically since joining Collier County, nor has it
been a secret. In fact, the first question asked of the applicants
for this job in a questionnaire which accompanied the application was,
"Describe your management philosophy."
My response was as follows, and I quote, "I believe in empowering
employees in order that they are fully involved in the decision-making
process. It has been my experience that employees are most motivated
to perform when they have a sense of ownership in the organization and
the decisions being made."
I recognize that the cultural change of an organization of this
size is a lengthy process. We've been through a period of adjustment
and are seeing the positive results of this effort. It is my hope
that the Board will allow this transition to be completed before
judging it to be out of step with the needs of this community.
Managing County government in a rapidly growing Florida community
is a difficult task. Managing an organization of over 1,200 employees
with an annual operating budget of over $500 million covering a
diverse array of services ranging from providing emergency medical
care to selling treated effluent to help irrigate golf courses would
provide sufficient challenge to test the abilities of any Fortune 500
CEO.
Add to that the dynamics of the obligations of intragovernmental
cooperation, liaison with elected constitutional officers and public
access and accountability and you have an environment that is bound to
present situations where everyone involved cannot be happy all of the
time. The reality is that the individual Board members each have
their own unique ideas of what it takes to do this job effectively.
This may be an unanticipated result of single member districting
and the fragmenting impact it can have on public policy or it may just
be a matter of different approaches to the interpretation of the
policy administration dichotomy.
Regardless of the basis for this difference, I have always
believed that a manager must employ the skills, abilities and
expertise he or she uniquely possess in order to effectively carry out
management responsibilities. Although, Section Eight of the County
Manager Employment Agreement dated May 29th, 1997 provides, and I
quote, "The Chairman of the Board of County Commissioners shall
provide the employee with a summary written statement of the findings
of the Board and provide an adequate opportunity for the employee to
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discuss his evaluation with the Board of County Commissioners," end
quote.
To date, such a summary written statement has not been provided
to me. It is my belief that this requirement should be met before any
action -- any further action regarding the disposition of my position
can proceed. I look forward to the positive resolution of any
comments that the -- or any concerns that the Board of County
Commissioners may have concerning the performance of Collier County
government. Thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Bob, on that last point, certainly the -- I
could not, prior to this meeting, have the opportunity to know what
the other Board members' evaluations would be. So certainly after
this meeting, it would be my intention to deliver to you whatever
written statement the contract requires.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Thank you. I would appreciate that.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Absolutely. Are there questions for Bob or
would someone like to go forward with their evaluation?
And, Sue, I would ask you to take some notes. And, of course,
we'll need to get the transcript of this portion as soon as we can so
that I can provide that notice to Bob that he's entitled to.
Anyone want to be recognized?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: He has my evaluation.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: He has my evaluation, as well.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: But I need mine back in order to do what
we're going to do.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Madam Chair, do you wish to take speakers now or
after you --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: What is the pleasure of the Board?
I think it is more appropriate -- as unpleasant as it might be,
it is more appropriate for us to give our evaluations and then hear
public comment and then make whatever decisions we're going to make.
Commissioner Berry needs a copy of her evaluation, if you don't
mind. I kept a copy of mine, and, I guess, I will go first.
Bob and I have discussed this, obviously, ahead of time and so it
is not news to him. But I will just go down and tell you by the
numbers on the ratings of what my evaluations were.
The first one is that the job description and action plans and
benefit package should be reviewed annually with a report submitted to
the administrator in March of each fiscal year. I marked that as an
unsatisfactory or needs improvement primarily because of my --
primarily because when the pay plan was presented to the Board I
wanted to support -- you guys have heard me say this before.
I wanted to support the higher number for raises that Bob had
proposed, but I couldn't find justification to do that. I couldn't
get my questions answered and the majority of the Board neither got
adequate questions answered in order to be able to provide that higher
level of raises for the staff. So that was a problem for me.
The employee training program referenced second I said meets
satisfaction. I don't really know much about how -- what training we
offer, but I don't know of any problems associated with it. Pay plan
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position classification recommendations I also ranked as
unsatisfactory for the same reason I told you just a moment ago.
Executive summaries -- and now we're in executive of policies.
Executive summaries, frame Board policy recommendations, I think Bob
has done a good job of that. There was some problem with that. It
has been corrected.
Board apprised of major legislation that potentially affects
County operations. Although there was an item on today's agenda, I
found that to be unsatisfactory. I don't think we've done a good job
in the last few years of having a legislative agenda. It's something
that I pushed this year to be sure that we did not only address the
legislative issue, but that I've asked the County Attorney to advise
us of the effects of the constitutional amendments that were adopted
and whether or not there's any change needed in local regulation
resulting from them.
Effectiveness of policy procedures and regulations reviewed
annually I actually wrote down unsatisfactory three times there
because I'm extremely unhappy that we have reached the point that we
have with regard to road construction. For example, that the private
sector has to come to us with -- has to come to us with proposed
solutions to a problem or to identify the necessity of a change in
policy. I have been disappointed that we don't get policy -- policy
recommendations from our professional staff when problems arise or
perhaps in anticipation of problems that they can see before they
reach the Board level.
That, likewise, is unsatisfactory on the fourth question there of
provides periodic reports to the Board regarding execution of Board
direction. It's my observation that those reports have been more
reactionary, instead of preventative.
In budget management I have meet satisfaction in all of those
categories, but I have noticed -- noted that the standards there are
minimal -- minimal standards of measurement. They basically have to
do with meeting schedules and providing documentation within
deadlines.
I also have meet satisfaction in all of the six items under
management, but I question whether or not the measures -- the
questions that we have there, in fact, address the profiles identified
for the Board. Most of everything under this management section has
to do with bureaucratic; provides information, meets schedule, does
procedures. I'm not sure how that measures judgment or measures the
profile of being a results-oriented person. So while all of those
were satisfactory, they weren't terribly meaningful to me.
Supervision I found meets standards there. Although, on
questions two and three I had to say that I just don't know. I don't
think it's frankly much of my business to know whether or not the
staff and division directors self-evaluate and whether or not they
have task forces and committees that meet. I question whether any of
those items, likewise, address my concerns with regard to leadership.
In the leadership category the first one is department directors
and division administrators will present new initiatives to the Board
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in order to promote and encourage creativity. I actually only put one
"U" in that blank, but that's the one that I have the most problem
with. If I can highlight one in yellow, that's the one that troubles
me the most.
The balance -- the next few questions there I have meet
satisfaction on two, three, four, five and six. Seven and eight I
have as unsatisfactory. They, likewise, address providing
recommendations to the Board based on best professional management
considerations and initiating policy-level recommendations for
consideration by the Board of County Commissioners.
Again, it's my experience that those policy-level recommendations
come in after problems are identified by the Board, instead of in
anticipation of them, which only the staff has the opportunity to see
as an issue works its way through the process. Only staff can see
something is not right here. This doesn't -- this policy of the Board
is not effective. It's not working here.
We need our professional staff to wave flags in our faces when
there are problems that need a change in Board direction, instead of
just continuing to march to the drummer of, "That is the Board's
policy."
Relationship with the Board of County Commissioners, all of those
I have meets satisfaction, which was a significant improvement from
the six months ago. I think that the communication between the County
Administrator and me has certainly been improved through his pager,
through -- I think that CARE program is cumbersome, but useful. You
and I have talked about that. All of those I think showed
improvement.
Departmental performance I have meets satisfaction on one and
four, but just plainly I don't know on two or three. Again, these are
sort of administrative things about department directors meeting with
their peers where applicable and going to professional organizations.
I don't know.
I have meets satisfaction in one through five under community
relations. I have unsatisfactory on six and seven. And, again, the
theme continues that six is evaluate marketing plan of various
departments -- and I'm paraphrasing -- to improve communication with
the public. And seven is recommend appropriate -- I am sorry.
Number six evaluate marketing plan to improve communication with
the public. While the use of electronic communication has certainly
been better than we've ever had, the problem here continues to be that
we are reactionary and not proactive in that area.
And recommend appropriate funding structures for provision of
services for urban and rural areas, this one -- certainly, it's true,
as Bob highlighted in his self-evaluation, he identified for us the
shortfall and the sales tax as a potential solution to us and impact
fees and otherwise, but there it has laid instead of -- instead of
having a strategy how we're going to move forward, how we're going to
-- how we're going to educate the public and strategize the need to
address the capital funding shortfall.
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I'm going to just read my comments because they're brief. Two
areas for improvement were identified six months ago. One,
communication and accuracy; two, leadership. There has been
improvement in number one via the systems put in place; the beeper,
the CARE system, et cetera. There has not been adequate improvement
in leadership.
Under actions for improvement, your management style results in
reactionary change, instead of visionary leadership. I do not believe
that this style can be changed. It is not wrong. It simply does not
serve a community growing and changing as rapidly as ours. And I, as
reported in the newspaper, indicated that I think the administrator
should resign and hope to get to work with him towards that goal.
Anyone else?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I will give you a shorter version.
Rather than go through each one individually, I will just give you a
summary, which is there are 48 line items on here -- actually, there's
a couple less than that, but I've added a couple in. All of which 21
I have as unsatisfactory, 12 as meeting standards and 15 of those I
just -- like you, I think some of these just don't apply. If senior
staff attended a conference or a meeting, I don't know that that is a
measurement for how well our County Administrator is doing. Fifteen
of those I just have put not apply.
What I would like to spend a couple of minutes on instead is some
of the items that you highlighted in your comments I think demonstrate
some of the problem. You mentioned the GIS and the work going forward
with that and I appreciate that, but communication was one of the big
issues that I had stressed. And we have improved some of those areas
with the Board with the fax machines and phones and so on, but
communication with Abe Skinner's office, who is overseeing the GIS
project, as recently as when we cut the ribbon on Eagles Lakes Park a
week ago I was talking to Abe and there still seems to be some faulty
communication.
MR. FERNANDEZ: The communication problem there is that I have
asked for a copy of the contract that he has entered into with the
vendor. And for a month now he hasn't provided it.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I didn't anticipate we were going to
debate each item as I brought it up. We certainly can. MR. FERNANDEZ: I am sorry.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Trying to get odor control on the
landfill. Believe me, no Commissioner appreciates that more than me.
I smell it, you know, 75 days a year. But, again, it's reactive.
It's not something new. We've been promised odor control as long as
I've been on the Board. Thus far, unfortunately, we still have it.
Town hall meetings you mentioned. That was actually a Board
idea. We have done that in past years and we brought that up during
our little beginning of the year workshop this year. So I'm glad they
came to fruition, but that was a Board idea and not an administration
idea.
The salary and pay plan and trying to do some work on behalf of
the employees, much like Commissioner Mac'Kie, I appreciate the fact
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we're trying to take care of our people and keep them, but part of
that -- a big chunk of your proposal was reactive to what the Sheriff
had proposed and didn't appear until literally the final budget
hearing after five months of budget hearings.
And, you know, we went through some of that in June, May,
whenever it was, but we didn't have a specific proposal, except as a
reaction to the Sheriff. And it seems to be -- reactive, instead of
proactive seems to be the key here.
The road plan that came forward this morning couldn't be anything
clearer to our public that we need to make some changes on how we are
dealing with our road system. But to wait until CBIA brings that
forward and to have not recognized that on your own I think, again, is
a reactive process.
I scribbled down a number of notes. I'm not going to continue,
but I scribbled down a number of notes from comments you said. And
it's just -- it's the same thing. Many of them either -- I don't know
originated out of your office, so I don't know that they're
appropriate for you to be taking credit for.
And, second, is that an awful lot of it seems to be reactive to
things going on as opposed to visionary and seeing what the community
needs long term before it becomes a problem.
You mentioned we're not in crisis and we're not in a deep crisis.
But the analogy I used six months ago was steering off course. And
nobody notices if that ship drifts off course at first because it
doesn't seem to be going too far. You're close to where you're
supposed to be, but the longer times goes on, the further you get off
course and the harder it is to steer back to where we need to be. I
think we continue to drift off course.
You're not terrible. You're not creating crisis. You're not
falling apart, but we're headed in the wrong direction. And I've got
to agree. I think Commissioner Mac'Kie is right. It may be time for
a change.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Other Commissioners?
And, Bob, we certainly -- if you'd like to respond now or if you
would like to go on.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Let's try to do all five.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, I would defer to Bob. Would you like
to respond one by one or would you like to hear from perhaps the
consensus better.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I'll go next.
MR. FERNANDEZ: I will wait and hear from everybody.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Well, I'm not sure we're all sitting on the
same Board because, I guess, I view a lot of things differently. I
don't know if it's from past experience having served on another local
County Board and having been in the position to relieve an
administrator of a duty. And every time you do that, you set into
motion some delays that are not always in the best interest of the
community.
And that's my concern here, Commissioners, that what we're about
to do or what you're proposing, Commissioner Mac'Kie. I think it has
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been less than three years ago at this point in time you had another
administrator. Frankly, I think we're going to send a message out --
I would certainly look at the people in-house in terms of what their
aspirations are of trying to serve this community, think again.
Because you've got a Board that's going to be extremely difficult to
work with.
You have five people who are going, it appears, in five different
directions. I don't know how you can possibly serve five different
masters when they're all not pulling in the same direction. And I
think that this sends a critical note out to people who have
aspirations to serve in this capacity and to anyone who may be coming
in from the outside to seek this particular type job. I think it's
very difficult.
As far as what I've evaluated here, I have put on the very first
page regarding personnel management, execution of policy and budget
management that Mr. Fernandez has met the expectation or he has met
the standard. And as evidenced by many of the things that he spoke
about and as evidenced by the different items that he provided for us
and what he has done in his tenure so far.
When we get to the second page, which has to do with -- it's
still under budget management, I believe, there were some items. I
gave him exceptional in regard to the quarterly reports as provided to
the Board. This was something the Board asked for to be provided. He
did it or the budget office did it.
What's the problem? If it's not meaningful, then the Board
should have said something, "I want this in a different format," or,
"I want something a little bit different." But one is to assume that
unless that complaint is made that obviously it's what we had asked
for.
When you get to supervision, there was one item I -- in fact,
when I had my discussion with Mr. Fernandez I wasn't sure that I would
know this kind of item. But I also gave him that he exceeded the
standard in regard to the interdepartmental task force committees,
which were organized to make some recommendations concerning
County-wide issues.
And some of those matters had to do with -- as I recall at the
time, we were all kind of shocked when he brought forward the
retention ponds. Now, that seems -- it's a very small item, but it
was an item. These are the kinds of things -- and we said at the time
we encouraged more of this kind of items to be brought forward. When
you see things like this that you think would be an enhancement, bring
them forward to the Board. He did that.
Continuing on in leadership. I thought he met the standards
under number eight, the initiate policy-level recommendations for
consideration by the Board of County Commissioners. I think he did
that and I think he did it exceptionally well.
Then we go on to relations with the Board of County
Commissioners. I think he meets the standards. The CARE, which is to
provide a process to track and answer Commission inquiries into an
efficient manner, I will tell you in my specific district the number
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of phone calls I receive -- because geographically I have the largest
district in Collier County, some 1,600 square miles. It is the
largest district in the County.
And so the concerns are about as varied as you can imagine.
Starting up on the Willoughby Acres area, traveling over to Immokalee,
all of Golden Gate Estates, all the way down to Everglades City and
Chokoloskee. Now, that is an area that is about as diverse as you're
going to find in Collier County. There is no two issues that relate.
And throw in the problem of Immokalee Road on top of that and you can
imagine the number of issues and concerns that have been raised.
And if it had not been for this process that was put in place, I
could not keep track, nor could my secretary, Ms. Filson, possibly be
expected to keep track of all these concerns and what the answers were
and try to keep them in a manner that made some sense.
And so I, for one -- that has been a tremendous help in my
particular district, let alone. I would hope the other Commissioners
use it if they have that concern.
The offer field meetings with Commissioners to personally review
key projects and provide regular updates, again, the source came
forward in the booklet form that we have. And I can't tell you how
many times I refer to that book for updates, which they do every
quarter. They didn't have to do that. There is nothing that says
that that's required to provide for Board of County Commissioners. But
that was done and it has been an extremely big help. So there was a
change made and it was very positive.
Going on to departmental performance, departments report
quarterly accomplishments in the context of the Board's strategic
planning meeting. I thought it was more easily understood than what
it had been in the past. Two and three of that particular page I
didn't think were necessarily applicable to the Board of County
Commissioners.
And then the accomplishments and future plans of departments
provided in an annual report, it meets the standards. Going on to the
next, community relations. I figured that he met the standards and
exceeded them with providing a timely and accurate response to public
inquiries. And number six, which is evaluate the marketing plan of
various departments and to make budgetary recommendations to improve
the communication -- and this has to do with the TV show, it also had
to do with some things involving EMS and so forth.
So, again, I say I'm not sure we're all sitting on the same
Board. We certainly don't all have the same expectation for the
administrative role of our County Administrator. There's no question
about it that Mr. Dorrill, who was here previously, contrasted to Mr.
Fernandez, who is currently here. You're dealing with two opposite
personalities.
The Board of County Commissioners at that time, with the
exception of a few, did not see fit to like Mr. Dorrill's style and
now they're seeing fit that they don't like Mr. Fernandez' style,
which are two different types of administrative style. And my
question is: Just what exactly are you looking for when you had the
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opportunity to review Mr. Fernandez' tape of his interview and you
knew exactly what he was coming in here and how he was going to work?
And now, all of a sudden, that's not satisfactory. So I have
some concerns. It's not to say that things can't be done better.
Absolutely. There's always room for improvement. I don't care who
the administrator is or what the Board is or who the Board is, for
that matter. We can always do a better job of responding to the
public and carrying out our tasks.
But at the same time, I don't think that Bob Fernandez has done
anything that makes him a throw-away commodity to Collier County.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER CARTER: I will let the senior members go first.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Okay. My evaluation hasn't really
materially changed in the ensuing six months here. Although, of
course, some of the improvements that you have done are certainly
welcomed. The communication response and that sort of thing. They
are certainly welcomed.
In the interest of brevity, I think both Commissioner Constantine
and Commissioner Mac'Kie have raised some of the same points that I
do. The appearance, I suppose, that we're always in a reactive mode
is one that gives me great concern. Our County is changing and
evolving so rapidly that we need much more forward-looking leadership,
I think.
I appreciate the list of accomplishments that you've brought
here. In looking through those though, I see a number of items that I
believe were probably -- have their genesis with concerns that have
been voiced in the past. So, therefore, it would only be natural that
you would go ahead and address those concerns.
It's always a very difficult situation to have to have these
conversations out in public. I guess the short version is that I
don't really see enough material change to change my opinion from what
it was six months ago. And I will just leave it at that. CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Commissioner Carter.
COMMISSIONER CARTER Thank you, Chairman Mac'Kie. I've been here
the shortest period of time. We did go through this process six
months ago. We weren't real comfortable with it. We came back and we
did a process and rank ordered some management abilities and that
transformed, I think, into the process that we're using today, which
personally I feel a lot more comfortable with in terms of trying to
evaluate the CEO.
And that's what Bob Fernandez is. He's the CEO of a half billion
dollar a year corporation with four, perhaps five division presidents.
And that's the basis on which I approach this. And I suppose in my
abbreviated review here I'm not so concerned about what's been done,
but more concerned about what hasn't been done.
And that's -- that's where I come from. And if I look at the
management abilities and I pick four that were a big focus for me as I
went down through this entire list -- and a short summary of that is I
found that Bob exceeded in three areas, he met my expectations in 33
and there were 28 where I felt that he needed improvement. And I've
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had this conversation with Bob about these areas and my concerns about
it.
But when I look at multiple focus -- and that to me is that
you've got a lot of issues that you have to deal with at the same
time. And you have to have your division presidents in sync with you
to get those projects moved forward. And many times I feel I'm
getting things one at a time and where does it fit in the big picture.
This has been a big concern for me. And that can relate to
organization and planning and it can relate to judgment and it can
relate to leadership.
Jack Walsh (phonetic) runs a major corporation in the United
States. He's got a lot of division presidents. He's a participative
guy. But he's also a tough task master to make sure that issues are
brought forward in a timely basis and he also is one that if I'm
sitting here as a policy-maker I don't want to have to discover these
issues one at a time. I want a more global effort to know where we're
going and how we're going to do it.
And I hold the CEO accountable for that. And how he gets that
done through his organization is his business. But ultimately I have
to judge one CEO. And that's Bob Fernandez.
And Bob I personally like. I enjoy his company. I think in a
number of these areas he's made a lot of improvement and he has helped
me, but I have some concerns for the future and where we're going to
go and how we're going to do it. Is this the person to take us where
we need to be?
I talked with Bob and I said, "You can count votes as well as I
can as you go around." And my recommendation to him was that he
resign his position. That he go forward and find another opportunity
and then we begin to search, no matter how difficult it is for us, to
do a better job of clarifying our role as policy-makers and looking at
the management side with whoever the County Administrator is and what
the management side is.
So that's where I am this afternoon. I believe it would be in
Bob's best interest, the County's best interest, if he resigned his
position.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Bob, would you like to respond or should we
go to public speakers and then hear from you again.
MR. FERNANDEZ: I would like to respond after public speakers.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That would be just fine.
David, could you help us?
MR. WEIGEL: I certainly can.
The first speaker is Robert Bennett, followed by Cynthia Dallas.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: How many do we have.
MR. WEIGEL: About eight or nine.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Can we do the on-deck circle.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yeah. The second speaker, if you'd come on
up and be sort of standing by. That helps the time flow. Thank you.
Good afternoon.
MR. BENNETT: Good afternoon. You know me and I know you.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: She doesn't though. Tell her your name.
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MR. BENNETT: I'm Robert Bennett. I'm a resident of Collier
County. I'm president of Bennett Search and Consulting Company.
Prior to that, I was a senior officer of a Fortune 500 with fairly
vast management responsibilities. And I want to speak a little from
that standpoint.
I want to speak on behalf of Bob Fernandez. I've known him since
he arrived in the County. I've brushed up against him certainly in my
volunteer work for the County. I've been Chairman of the Water and
Wastewater Authority, Vice-chairman of Blacks Affairs Advisory
Committee. I was on the Citizens Advisory Board.
And although -- although certainly not as close as your contacts
were on a daily basis, I certainly had those contacts. In addition,
he is a member of the Class of 2000 for Leadership Collier, so am I.
And I do not speak from the standpoint of Leadership Collier group,
but I've seen him in action in several all-day sessions and have a
great admiration for him.
He, in a non-public forum amongst his peers, has shined. And I
think that's amidst a pretty diverse group of people with whom he has
shined. His subordinates seem to respect him. I talk to a lot of
them. I know them. And I think they're kind of mystified.
I think your actions are going to reflect very badly on the
County if you let him go or if he's allowed to resign. As a search
person who searches for chief executive officers, you're going to have
a heck of a time finding one after this.
Before taking any action, I have a recommendation to be far more
positive. I think that you should appoint a panel of senior
businessmen who've had senior positions of management managing
thousands of people and major projects and have them investigate this
situation and come back with their recommendation to you. I think you
need the advice of people who have been there. And that's my
recommendation. Thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you, sir.
(Applause.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: The next speaker.
MR. WEIGEL: Pardon me. The next speaker is Cynthia Dallas,
followed by Brian Kocses.
MS. DALLAS: Good afternoon. I'm Cynthia Dallas. I'm a resident
of Collier County. I would like to address the Commission on a
different angle today and discuss the psychology of the voter.
It's commonly known that people only raise their voices when
they're upset about something. If you don't have a swell of righteous
indignation concerning these events, it's because the taxpayers of
this County are extremely content. A fact borne out in the recent
poll of voters completed in this County.
Could this really be a matter of inefficiency? We hear the list
of the accomplishments and we have a realistic sense of what has been
accomplished. Let's consider maybe your expectations are unrealistic.
As I had mentioned to many of you in letters recently, even
ballplayers are judged on averages and even any one of you can screw
up miserably and still get reelected if on voter's day, on ballot
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time, the person running against you is worse than you are and you are
the lesser of two evils. So you can still get reelected if you screw
up.
Should it be a matter of style versus substance? That does not
justify our tax dollars to release this man early in his contract.
You should let him go work out to the end of his contract. Nothing is
being hurt by him doing his job to the best of his ability.
This man has 28 years of County government experience and I dare
say that's more than the rest of you combined. Can he be said to
bring no vision or accomplishment to this County? Why is he sought
out to teach others how to run County governments? And, yet, he is
not good enough for Collier County.
six months ago this dysfunctional group could agree on only one
thing and that is that there was no one single vision or job
description that Mr. Fernandez could look to to make the certain
changes that he needed to make. At that time he was told such a
consensus would be presented to him, but, to my knowledge, no such
consensus exists.
You want him to be proactive, instead of reactionary. It seems
to me that he inherited a chaotic situation, a system of distrust and
dysfunction that he has somehow still made successes in. The proof of
dysfunction is right here today. Not only in the lack of unity on
this Board, but in the need to dicker over who gets credit for coming
up with an idea, instead of being excited over the fact the idea was
enacted and was successful.
I think it's imPortant to say --
(Applause.)
MS. DALLAS: I think it is important to say that Mr. Fernandez
has no motive, other than to bring his experience and vision to the
people of Collier County. And that at no point does this man render
decisions based on whether there's a future vote in it since he is an
appointed official.
I have to say that I'm amazed at his poise and dignity evidenced
by his refusal to play with the media. He has done this in order to
keep open the door of a working relationship with this Commission, a
point which seems sort of moot and futile at this point.
I ask this Commission to cede to the wishes of the taxpayers and
the workers who work underneath Bob Fernandez. We're the ones who
want him to stay. We're the ones who are content with the job that he
has done. These are the same taxpayers that recently showed you that
they are content with his work. Thank you.
(Applause.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you.
MR. WEIGEL The next speaker is Brian Kocses, followed by Victor
Valdes.
MR. KOCSES: Good afternoon. For the record, I'm Brian Kocses.
Wow, what a meeting! Please forgive the canned sermon, but I wanted
to try to keep it as brief as I could.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: No problem. We appreciate your coming.
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MR. KOCSES: I would like to speak on behalf and in favor of Bob
Fernandez. I do, in fact, think that Bob is not only a person of
honor and integrity, but a good manager worthy of holding onto.
Bob uses a no-nonsense empowerment approach with employees, which
I've myself found in the private sector of business has yielded more
creative, motivated, enthusiastic employees with a greater sense of
self-worth. And that's bringing up the system from the bottom up.
The County employees seem to like working with Bob. I have
family members that work in the County. I have friends that work in
the County. And they seem to be very positive towards him. They
always speak favorably on his behalf.
I think if put to the public, I feel the citizens of Collier
County would unanimously vote to keep Bob Fernandez. It has been
pointed out that Mr. Fernandez was one of the first minority
administrators to this County. More clearly, he has a genuine concern
for his fellow man, the highest moral standards, integrity, and an
unparalleled code of ethics, public or private. In today's world this
is what makes Bob a minority, not ethnic background.
Surely these are qualities worth keeping. Seeing how well the
County is running, which it is -- it seems to be running quite well.
With Bob's support by County employees and the people of Collier
County, wouldn't it be wise to set aside whatever small differences
there may be, whatever style differences and keep a worthwhile,
irreplaceable man?
I just sincerely beg you to think very clearly on what you're
trying to give up. I think he's doing his part to the best of his
ability with -- considering what he has to work with. He has very
diverse opinions to work with. I think the County is being run well.
I think he needs your support.
I only ask you to give him some support. Maybe if you gave a
little, he could give you even more. I just ask you to give him that
chance in continuing. I speak not only for myself, but my wife who
was scheduled to be here. She had to go pick up our children from
school. She, too, was going to speak on his behalf. I can't speak
for her, but she also supports Bob greatly. I appreciate being
allowed to speak.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you very much.
(Applause.)
MR. WEIGEL: The next speaker is Victor Valdes, followed by Frank
Loney.
MR. VALDES: Good afternoon, Commissioners.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Good afternoon.
MR. VALDES: Thank you for the opportunity.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And your name?
MR. VALDES: For the record, my name is victor Valdes, editor of
Las Naciones newspaper, editor of Under the First Amendment magazine
in English, and editor of the digital newspaper in the Internet,
Pagina Uno.com.
I am here on behalf of Mr. Fernandez. Let me tell you something
that maybe you don't know. For years we have been receiving many
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allegations from County employees about discrimination. After
Fernandez took the post, the complaint about discrimination given to
me had decreased, practically disappeared.
I working in two or three occasions with Mr. Fernandez at the
very beginning of his time. About three employee complaining about
discrimination and Mr. Fernandez work very wise and resolved the issue
at no cost for the County and saving not only money for the
government, as to avoid a legal fight. And Mr. Fernandez gained good
opinion and respect from employees and from the community.
Me, as Hispanic, as journalist that I knock on door of business
people and community activities and other citizens, we saw -- excuse
me. I always tell what I seen. We saw this as discrimination or
something hate about our community because his more big fault is
because he -- his name is Roberto Fernandez. Yes, this -- maybe you
know, but we saw too many racial issues in this County.
And going to the last point, please. I have respect for some of
you, not all. Some of you. Others deserve no respect. Please, those
that I respect, don't join -- don't jump in the boat of the racist.
Please, keep away of those people that hate community -- our community
-- Hispanic community. Thank you for your time and save money keeping
him.
Don't spend money to letting him go and maybe a quarter of a
million dollars searching for another administrator. Because I pay
taxes for my home, my car, everything. And I don't want that this
money be used in this way. Thank you for your opinion.
(Applause.)
MR. WEIGEL: Next speaker is Frank Loney, followed by Marta
Coburn, M.D.
MR. LONEY: Good afternoon.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Good afternoon.
MR. LONEY: Commissioners, public and taxpayers. My name is
Frank Loney, for the record, and I live in 131 Tahiti, Naples,
Florida.
I'm not talking from part of the Hispanic Affair. I'm talking as
a citizen. And we hear a lot of favoritism of this and favoritism of
that and this and that. I'm here on behalf of Bob Fernandez.
I have to remind you before I even tell you what I'm doing here
that I belong to the district of Mr. Norris. Today, early in the
morning, I tried to talk to my Commissioner and I was throwed off. He
give me a gesture that he didn't want to talk to me. After lunch I
come back and he want to talk to me. And I said, "I want it on the
record."
For most of you I got a lot of respect like leader in my
community. For most of you I help in election day. Right now I got
my hands full trying to get people out to vote. And today I'm making
up my mind. Mr. Norris can start running again because I would not
support him. And I would make sure that my district would not support
him. I want that on the record.
I know that few of you is planning to run. I really don't care
if you want to run. I am a taxpayer. And as a taxpayer I come to you
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to explain to you that when you need us, you was knocking on our
doors. When you need to be where you are today, you was asking us,
"Please, change your mind and vote for me."
We spend so much money looking for an administrator of a city.
We bring him in and in less than two years we try to fire him as a
God. I ask the Commissioners, with all due respect, do we want to
continue spending my money, what I pay tax in this County to continue
looking for an administrator?
When we had Mr. Dorrill we didn't have the opportunity to come in
front of you. We didn't have that opportunity to complain about our
management. Because he was God for you all people. Today we got an
administrator that maybe cannot please five heads because we cannot
come together. Maybe because we don't understand the dynamics of
Collier County. Maybe we only looking for our personal interest.
And I'm asking you as a taxpayer to reconsider your position, to
think that what we doing by firing one, getting another one, we are
spending more money, instead of investing more money. I come to you
to ask you not to think as a minority. You know, because I've been
observing the many times I come to this County -- to the Commissioners
it look like sometimes we don't have respect from our Commissioners.
They do not listen to us. And if they listen to us, they make
faces or they're somewhere else thinking on something and not on the
issue. I come to you and tell you as a taxpayer, do we want to
continue putting this deficit in our pocket?
And if so, I've got a solution very easy. Remember, I got my
first amendment. I can go to the media. I can go to the media and
tell them when you're ready to run in the year 2000. I can go to the
media and tell them, "I remember so and so when he was a Commissioner.
I remember so and so when he wanted to fire Mr. Bob Fernandez. I
remember so and so when he didn't want to talk about the issue of
Marco."
And I come to you today as a citizen by losing my day of job,
I've got a kid sick at home, just to make you listen to me. I would
like you all five heads of Collier County government to reconsider.
Thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you.
(Applause.)
MR. WEIGEL: Next speaker is Marta Coburn, followed by Heriberto
Hartnack.
DOCTOR COBURN: Commissioners, I'm Doctor Coburn, Chief Medical
Examiner for Collier County. And I'm here in support of Mr.
Fernandez. I've never come before you to speak about any issue,
except for those that relate to the budget of the medical examiner's
office, as you know. But I'm here now because I think this situation
is very important and it's in your hands.
This is an issue, as I see it and I think as you see it, of
leadership and of integrity. And, likewise, your decision speaks as
to how you see the work that we, your department heads, are providing
for the citizens of our County. If, as I suspect, you're proud of
your staff and the services we are providing, along with continuous
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improvements in communication, then you're witnessing the good
leadership, the guidance and the direction that Mr. Fernandez is
providing.
When you evaluated Mr. Fernandez several months ago, as you know,
I wrote to show my support of Mr. Fernandez. I wrote each of you a
letter. Today I would like to be on record that I still support him.
Madam Chair, the last time Mr. Fernandez' performance came before
you, you cited the great support of the staff and the department heads
as one of the most compelling reasons that you chose to vote to retain
him. On behalf of that staff and many department heads, I assure you
that our support has not wavered. In fact, it has strengthened as
witnessed by the conversations at our meetings.
Given the accomplishments this County has enjoyed and continues
to enjoy under Mr. Fernandez' leadership and given the support that he
has from his staff and realizing that you appreciate hard work and
integrity, it seems that you would reward these efforts. I believe
that the leadership of the Commission is fair, reasonable and
intelligent and that these decisions are based on what is the best for
the people that we serve.
So I respectfully request, Madam Chair, Commissioners, that you
reconsider your position if you have any intention to vote to
terminate Mr. Fernandez and instead vote to support him. Thank you
kindly for the opportunity to address you on this matter today.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you, Doctor Coburn.
(Applause.)
MR. WEIGEL: Next speaker is Mr. Hartnack, followed by the last
speaker, Tom Conroy.
MR. HARTNACK: Commissioners, Chairman.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Good morning or afternoon.
MR. HARTNACK: Good afternoon. My name is Heriberto Hartnack. I
represent the Catholic Hispanic Community of San Pedro Mission of
Naples. I would like to offer our support to our County Manager, Mr.
Robert Fernandez.
As a silent community -- because that's what we are here. As a
silent community of Collier County, we are asking you to reconsider
any unfavorable -- excuse me -- unfavorable decision concerning Mr.
Fernandez. We feel he currently is and will continue to be a good
asset to one of the fastest growing communities and this County.
Our support is behind him. I would also like to mention I spent
20 years in the military and I gave many people -- lots of my soldiers
many chances and opportunities. And he needs another one. Thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you, sir.
(Applause.)
MR. WEIGEL: Mr. Tom Conroy.
MR. CONROY: Good afternoon. My name is Tom Conroy, as many of
you know. I've lived in Naples since my second birthday. I believe
that there are probably few people in this County who love the County
as much as I do. I would never live anywhere else. This is, I think,
just the greatest place in the world to live.
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I get very involved in my community. I've been involved in many
different civic activities. In 1992 I was president of the Mental
Health Association. 1996 I was president of the Naples Area Board of
Realtors. And this year, in 1999, I have the honor to be Chairman of
Leadership Collier Class of 2000.
And it is through that organization that I had the great
opportunity to meet Bob Fernandez. Leadership Collier, as many of you
know, is an organization that attempts to bring leaders into the
community and expose leaders to the community at large. Now, the
Naples Area Chamber of Commerce, nor can Leadership Collier -- neither
of those organizations can take an official position on this, but both
are members of the Class and me personally certainly have the ability
to do that.
I have seen through Leadership Collier, Bob rise to the top.
Among a group of leaders -- 34 leaders he is certainly one of the most
respected people in that class. He is respected because he is a man
of integrity. He's a man of honesty. He's a hard worker and he's
utmost fair.
This came out right away and it continues to come out. This sense
of fairness, I think, and this sense of honesty is probably the most
critical aspect of any leader that we can ask for. I would like to
reflect a short story. I spent some time talking with Pam on this
issue in the last six or eight weeks.
I've got an uncle who is a professor of management at the
prominent New York University. Probably five years ago I had a
secretary, who is still with me and one of my finest employees. Within
the first two years, she was just not -- seeming not to get the job
done. I didn't quite know what to do. We weren't communicating.
I spoke with Uncle John and I said, "What should I do? I think
I've got to get rid of this lady. It's a real problem. It's going to
cause all sorts of issues with my firm. I think I need to do that."
He said, "Tom, is this woman a hard worker?"
I said, "Yes."
He said, "Does she give everything she has? Does she take
unnecessary vacations? Is she sick?"
"No. She's great. All of those aspects are great. We just
can't seem to communicate."
He said, "You would be a nut to fire her. I consult with many
different companies all over the country. And if you get a good
employee, if you get someone who is honest, who has integrity, if you
want to work with them, you can make that happen."
I use that analogy because I think that's a lot of what we have
right here. I think that six months ago you came before the
Commission and before the public and said, "We're not really happy
with Bob and we need to have an evaluation. We'll look at him in
another six months."
And then my perception is from talking to some of you and talking
with Bob that we really didn't attempt to work out these issues and
these differences in the next -- during that past six months. I
suggested with Pam that I spend some of my time -- I don't have a lot
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of free time, but I'm certainly willing to do it for Bob and I'm
willing to do it for any of you if I feel there's an injustice.
I'm willing to sit down for an hour each week with Pam and an
hour each week with Bob for the next three, four or five months to try
to establish these lines of communication, to try to discuss what are
the issues which are bothering you, where do you see these strengths,
where do you see the weaknesses and how we can work on that. I'll sit
down once a week, one hour a week, with you all, one hour a week with
Bob and try to establish these lines of communication.
We've got a good employee. We've got a person of responsibility,
a person with integrity. And I think it's a mistake to be looking and
hoping to get someone better. And I would be willing to work with the
Board and with Bob in an attempt to try and resolve these issues
because I think they're certainly worthwhile of being resolved. Thank
you very much.
(Applause.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Bob, did you want to speak at this time?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Madam Chair, first, I would like to say that I
really appreciate all the community support that I have received.
Surely the effort that Mr. Conroy is willing to put forward to this
effort is very touching to me. It's -- it's -- it's something that I
could have never expected from anyone and I really appreciate it.
Likewise, I appreciate all the support from the -- from those who
spoke today.
I would like to address a couple of comments that the
Commissioners raised in their remarks. Mr. Carter talked about the
need for a more global effort. One of the approaches that I have
taken with the management of the division administrators is to broaden
their perspective of the organization. I have attempted to get them
out of the single focus thinking that only their division are their
concern. I have encouraged them to all develop global views of this
organization and its needs.
And we're making progress in that process. My -- my hope is to
at one point reach the point that I have reached in other jobs where
the budget recommendations coming to you are the product of a process
that involves this global perspective from each of the division
administrators. Not them competing against each other for budget
resources, but rather joining together and deciding collectively
what's the best mix of programs to recommend to this County. And
that's the direction I'm heading with that.
Mr. Constantine talked about a number of issues that he felt my
referring to them as accomplishments may not be as appropriate as I
had represented. The GIS is a good example and it's something I think
we should talk about a little bit.
GIS is an issue -- geographic information system for those that
aren't aware of the initials. This County had attempted some years
ago to put into place a geographic information system. And when I
first came to this organization and remarked that there seems to be a
clear void in that we don't have one here with a County that's moving
as quickly as we are, why don't we, I was told in many different ways
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it's not possible here in this County because -- because of the
history that we had, because of the reasons why the previous efforts
failed.
I was not willing to accept that. I recognized that in order for
the -- the program to move forward it may be necessary to allow others
to take the leadership role. And, in fact, it became recognized very
early on that Mr. Skinner would have to be responsible for the base
maps in order for the project to become a reality.
That's, in fact, the approach that we have taken. It's not
something that ~- that even appears anywhere in the County budget yet.
I'm still in the process of developing a specific recommendation for
our overlays. But that is something that I recognized that in order
to get this done in this community I was going to have to relinquish
control of that issue. And I was willing to do that.
Odor control is another thing that was mentioned. You may not be
aware of the fact that I urged Mr. Ilschner to come forward with a
recommendation that we cover the existing cover that seemed to be the
source of the odor. That's the basis for our recommendation to you
that we close out the cells early. Again, it's not something that I
felt the need to come forward and put my name next to or to become
identified with. The important thing was it was getting done.
Mr. Constantine also talked about the salary pay plan and how it
was reactive based upon the -- the proposal that was made by the
Sheriff's Office. I will remind you that, in fact, in February at the
very beginning of the budget process, I did, in fact, recommend a four
and a half percent increase. In fact, that's the issue that
Commissioner Mac'Kie has criticized me for.
But, in fact, we did recommend a four and a half percent
increase. The late request you refer to came about because of a late
request from the Sheriff's Office. And my proposal was that if, in
fact, the Board determined that this funding was fair for the
employees of the Sheriff, it was also fair for your County employees.
It was -- rather than a reaction, it was renewal of an earlier request
that I had made.
Commissioner Mac'Kie's comment about no legislative agenda
surprised me, frankly. I felt that one of the changes that I did make
is in the way legislative proposals were brought to the Board. I have
been surprised with the fact that in the first year I was here they
came independently. They kind of sprinkled into the Board.
I was used to a cohesive package where we went through an effort
of developing the legislative proposals, put them together as a
package, presented them to the Board as a package and then authorized
the Chairman or Chairwoman in this case to present them to the
legislative delegation. I saw that as an improvement in the manner in
which the legislative package had been addressed in the past.
I understand the concerns about reactive, rather than proactive.
It's an issue that many managers struggle with when -- when there is
not unanimity on the Board that they work for. If I may, I would like
to refer to a newspaper article and give you some inclination of a
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counterpart of mine. I would hope that he wouldn't mind my using this
since it was in the paper.
In the article the manager is being asked, "How did your
evaluation go," by the reporter. And the response was, "Some members
suggested he needs to keep them better informed, that the County needs
to respond faster to the public, that he needs to be a better leader
on issues, that the County needs to improve diversity, especially in
management." That manager received over a six percent increase with
that evaluation. Thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Any additional comments from Board
members?
I will just say, in order to respond to Doctor Coburn's comment,
which I appreciated because it is very important to me. And I don't
question for a second that the staff continues to stand behind Mr.
Fernandez. I also acknowledge what every single person who spoke
about Bob had to say and the opinion that I share that his integrity
does put him in a minority. The level of integrity he has is what
makes him a minority. I respect him for that.
Based on both of those two things, I was willing to extend -- to
change my mind six months ago and to say, "Let's give six more months
to try to see if adequate changes can be made." I have to tell you
that in my opinion they haven't been.
And it's not an easy opinion to have. It's one that I have
grappled with and taken extremely seriously and that I find difficult
to express, but find that it is my responsibility to as a steward of
the public trust.
Any other comments?
If not, is there a motion? If not --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: What kind of motion are we looking
for? Today is only, to my understanding, a performance review. I
don't know whether or not we have the option of making a particular
motion.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I guess what we have done at this point is
expressed our opinions and done our evaluations. I will do the
delivery of the information that Bob asked for pursuant to his
contract. And based on that, it appears to me that I will be placing
an item on the agenda of a notice of intent to terminate the County
Manager, unless someone wants to change their opinion at this point.
Is that the procedure, Mr. Weigel?
I thought that today was the day we would make that vote, but
perhaps that's not appropriate.
MR. WEIGEL: Technically it's your option to either place it on
the following agenda or the notice of intent, which is merely a notice
of intent, could be coopted into today's agenda item if the Board so
determined.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That was the motion I was looking for.
If it's the Board's desire to take a vote on the notice of intent
today, we have that option. If it's not --
MR. FERNANDEZ: Madam Chairwoman.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yes.
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MR. FERNANDEZ: I would argue that that's not what is on the
agenda today. What's on the agenda today -- and you can read it for
yourself -- is the evaluation of the County Administrator. There was
no indication on today's agenda about a motion to terminate.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I would tend to agree. That's why I
asked the question before. I know the County Attorney has said,
"Yeah, we have that option," but I think it is the single most
important issue we can deal with and it is not advertised that way.
And while I have expressed dissatisfaction with the performance
of the Administrator, I think we certainly owe him the courtesy of
doing it absolutely by the book. And so I'm not comfortable doing
that today.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I have no objection to that. I will though
take today's evaluations as instruction from the Board to put a notice
of intention to terminate on our next agenda.
Okay. Moving on, we have public comment on general topics. Is
anyone registered to speak today?
MR. FERNANDEZ: I have Mr. Ray Trulove. He didn't indicate any
particular --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: That was the concert item.
MR. FERNANDEZ: No other items, Madam Chairman.
Item #12B2
PETITION PUD-99-12, MR. MICHAEL R. FERNANDEZ OF PLANNING DEVELOPMENT,
INC., REPRESENTING MARIAN H. GERACE, TRUSTEE, REQUESTING A REZONE FROM
"A" AGRICULTURAL TO "PUD" PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO BE KNOWN AS
BANYAN WOODS PUD TABLED TO LATER IN THE MEETING
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Then we can move to our advertised
public hearings. The first one having been continued, we can go to
Michael Fernandez on behalf of Banyan Woods PUD.
Will all persons wishing to be heard on this matter please stand
and raise your right hand and be sworn by the court reporter.
(The speakers were sworn.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. And does anyone have disclosure on
the Board? This is a -- I am sorry -- a quasi judicial matter.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I've had contact with Mr. Fernandez, who is
the Petitioner.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: As I have.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: I have had contact with the
representatives.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I have not.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I don't believe I -- well, I guess we did.
I have met directly with Mr. Fernandez. We will go to the staff report.
MR. BELLOWS: For the record, Ray Bellows with planning services.
The Petitioner is requesting the rezone of the subject property from
agriculture to a planned unit development to be known as Banyan Woods.
The Petitioner is requesting 342 units at seven units per acre. As
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you can see on the location map, the project is located on the east
side of Airport-Pulling Road.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: If I can interrupt you, I need to ask a
legal question.
MR. BELLOWS: Sure.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Mr. Weigel, we continue as a Board to read
in the newspaper that we are disingenuous in our desires to limit or
to honor the order of the -- of the Governor and Cabinet with regard
to the density -- the moratorium, for lack of a better term, on growth
in this County. We continue to read in the newspaper that we're
disingenuous because week after week we approve additional residential
units.
Is this a property that we have the -- that it is within our
authority to refuse because we don't want more residential units in
this County? Do we have that legal authority?
MR. WEIGEL: Well, I tend to think that that is not a criteria in
and of itself for the denial. And the ground rules are clearly in
place from that earlier stipulated order; whereas, those developments
in the process prior to a different point in time have the ability to
go forward and be reviewed on the merits of the development itself.
MR. BELLOWS: I would just like to point out this is in the urban
area and not --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I understand. I don't think that's
particularly relevant to the people -- to the critics.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I think your point was perhaps the
editorial staff needs to understand.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Exactly. They need to understand that this
is not something that because we don't want it anymore we can just
arbitrarily say no. It's not our option. I just wanted to make that
on the record.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Well, you can talk until you're blue in the
face. That's not going to change their opinions, okay? It doesn't
make any difference where it's located, how it's located. Forget the
rules. If that's their opinion, that's their opinion.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Don't let the facts --
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Don't let the facts get in the road.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. I apologize for the interruption.
MR. BELLOWS: No problem. The surrounding projects -- the
densities include the World Tennis Center.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: What is the density there?
MR. BELLOWS: World Tennis Center is six -- or 4.5 units per
acre. The Timberwood PUD just to the south is at six. The Naples
Bath and Tennis to the west is 3.3. Kensington is at 1.6.
You know, staff has reviewed this petition based on compatibility
with those projects. The project is within a density rating band so
it's eligible for three additional units per acre. Plus, as you can
see on the master plan, this proposed ingress/egress to Pine Ridge
Road would give them access to two arterial roads, which would allow
them to get another dwelling unit per acre for a total of eight
possible units.
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As indicated in the executive summary --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Just a quick question. What is the
busiest intersection in Collier County traffic-wise?
MR. BELLOWS: I think it's the Airport/Pine Ridge.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Thank you very much.
MR. BELLOWS: The traffic impact study indicates that the total
number of units will not have a significant impact on that
intersection, but that's including the proposed improvements to Pine
Ridge Road that are scheduled to take place within the next year.
As you can see on the master plan, the project has its primary
access off of Airport-Pulling Road. It has a 15-foot buffer easement
around the perimeter. It has four lakes.
The Petitioner also proposes the ability to have an ALF or church
as a conditional use. So if those uses are to be constructed, they
will have to come back before this Board with the conditional use
petition.
The maximum height is 40 feet, however, around the boundary with
Kensington and World Tennis and Timberwood that's limited to
one-story. During the planning commission meeting there was a split
-- the vote was five to two to recommend approval of this, subject to
limiting the density to six units per acre and giving an additional
dwelling unit if they can construct the access to Pine Ridge Road. The
two votes in opposition agreed with staff that six units maximum would
be compatible with adjacent developments.
I received numerous calls in opposition to this requesting a
lower density.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: My question would be we have an opportunity
for two roads here. And we're always confronted with we don't have
enough arterials, enough collectors. The only way I'm hearing that I
can get my additional road is I have to increase the density?
MR. BELLOWS: No. The growth management plan allows for an
additional dwelling unit if you have direct access to two arterial
roads. The applicant has the advantage to take advantage of this
60-foot wide ingress/egress easement to Pine Ridge Road. They don't
have direct access to Pine Ridge Road. Therefore, they wouldn't be
qualified for that additional dwelling unit.
But since they have reached agreement of the property owner of
that easement to provide an access to Pine Ridge Road, they can get
that additional dwelling unit or are eligible for that additional
dwelling unit.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Well, what if I said I like six units per
acre and I want the access road?
MR. BELLOWS: That shouldn't be a problem.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: You mentioned you received a number of
objections. What were -- what was the substance of those objections?
MR. BELLOWS: Several of them were from Kensington. They had
concerns, one, about density; two, about the access road to Pine Ridge
abutting Kensington, what kind of buffer would be there. The
applicant has been working with those residents also to come up with a
buffer treatment along that ingress/egress easement.
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Many other residents were just primarily concerned about the
number of dwelling units of -- residents from the World Tennis Center
since their access would line up with the entrance here at the traffic
light. They were concerned about the number of dwelling units within
this proposed development.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: How many trips per day will these 342
units generate?
MR. BELLOWS: I mentioned that in the staff report. 1,951 would
come out from a seven unit development. And if it was a six unit it
would be 1,640.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I just -- I have a couple very
specific concerns. One is that is the busiest intersection. As you
get up to Airport and Pine Ridge it's wild. And I am not sure -- even
if we build extra lanes up there, I'm not sure an extra 2,000 cars
filling out there is what we're being asked by our public to do. I
think that is completely contrary.
The number one objection, the number one complaint all five of us
get, I think, is roads, is transportation. And putting 2,000 more
cars per day at the busiest intersection in my mind is nuts.
Do you know what the average -- you mentioned four units -- four
areas right around there and their density. Do you know what the
average of those is; the six, the 4.5, the 1.67
MR. BELLOWS: Yeah. During the analysis phase --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Would 3.86 sound about right?
MR. BELLOWS: It sounds about right.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Just a guess.
MR. BELLOWS: I was just saying I'd have to refer back to my
notes. That sounds about right.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I'm just thinking that -- obviously
there's a piece of land there and there may be -- you know, there's
some appropriate use for that. But what might be more appropriate is
finding the average of those areas around there -- directly around
there. And 3.86 is that average.
So maybe you allow three units an acre or three and a half units
per acre or 3.86 units an acre. I think that will be -- one, that
will compatible with the surrounding properties. And, two, will have
a much lower impact on the transportation situation in what is the
worst intersection in Collier County.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: I have a different concern. I spoke to Mr.
Passidomo about this when he was in my office. Since I've been on the
Board, I've always resisted authorizing an either/or choice of what is
going to be built somewhere. And this proposal here says that it's
going to be residential units or perhaps an ALF.
And I'm not willing to approve something that we don't know what
it's going to be in the final iteration. I would ask the Petition to
pick one and present it on that basis. But I don't think I can
support a choice.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: The dwelling units and either a church or
assisted living facility. So you want either a church or --
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COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
going to be, I don't care.
that.
I just want them to pick. Whatever it's
Just pick it and then we'll talk about
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Other questions from Board members?
If not, we'll hear from the Petitioner.
MR. PASSIDOMO: Thank you, Madam Chairman.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: You're welcome.
MR. PASSIDOMO: With your indulgence.
Good afternoon, Madam Chairman, members of the commission. My
name is John Passidomo. Our firm represents the Petitioner, Marian
Gerace. Our project planner made a presentation -- a comprehensive
presentation on the planned unit development master plan and our
submittal to the planning commission. He is available to respond to
any technical questions that you may have.
There are, however, some general observations I would like to
share with you. And we hope they may be helpful to you in framing the
issues before you for consideration this afternoon. I have taken the
liberty of displaying an aerial photograph, which may be helpful to
all of us in understanding this property, its location and its
proximity to an activities center.
The Banyan Woods planned unit development is proposed for
approximately 48 acres within the residential density band around the
Pine Ridge Road/Airport Road activity center. It is adjacent to the
activity center for mixed use at the Carillon Shopping Center and is
outside the traffic congestion boundary as iljustrated on the County
future land use map. Principal public access to the property is
provided through a signalized intersection at Airport Road and
alternative means of access, as Commissioner Carter has alluded to,
are proposed.
Banyan Wood was designed to fit into its surroundings by
providing a transition between the activities center at Carillon to
the north and its 319,000 square feet of retail commercial space and
180 dwelling units approved at a density of 16 units per acre and the
residential development of Timberwood and its six units per dwelling
unit per acre to the south.
There are, however, two modifications to our PUD which we would
like to propose to respond to requests made by Commissioner Norris and
by our neighbors at Kensington with whom we share a common border to
the east. They are, first, the elimination of the adult living
facility and nursing home as a conditional use. As suggested during
your deliberations, that was proposed as an alternative use. Frankly,
if the need materializes for an ALF, we will simply come back to you
and request an amendment to the planned unit development document.
But, for now, we'd remove it as a proposed conditional use to the
project.
Secondly -- and I think staff has alluded to this. We propose
the construction of an eight-foot concrete component wall along the
eastern border of the access easement adjacent to the Kensington
subdivision if and when, but only if and when, a certificate of
occupancy for the 294th dwelling unit is ever issued at Banyan Woods.
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We have made this proposal in response to a request made by our
neighbors at Kensington and anticipate that they will look forward to
an opportunity of addressing you concerning it later today.
We have met with our neighbors and tried to respond
constructively to every comment offered and request made. We also
believe -- we believe that you may hear from our neighbors across
Airport Road at Naples Bath and Tennis Club. Unfortunately, you can't
see Naples Bath and Tennis Club on this aerial. It's located across
the 150-foot right-of-way at Airport Road, located across the 100-foot
canal adjacent to Banyan Woods, and located across another 100 feet of
setbacks. There is some 350 feet between Banyan Woods and Naples Bath
and Tennis Club.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: If the camera would switch to the
visualizer, I see our staff has just put that drawing on so we can see
that. Thank you.
MR. PASSIDOMO: Thank you, Madam Chairman.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: You're welcome.
MR. PASSIDOMO: We have met with our neighbors at Naples Bath and
Tennis Club and anticipate that you may hear concerns about impacting
the use of the traffic signal at Airport Road. And we ask that during
those comments you reflect upon the fact that there are some -- make
sure I have the number correct -- 516 dwelling units in Naples Bath
and Tennis Club. There is an event facility at Naples Bath and Tennis
Club. The number of traffic impacted from Naples Bath and Tennis Club
will be in excess of 60 percent more than the number impacted at this
traffic signalization from Banyan Woods.
We hope that we all keep that in mind as you may hear comments
about overloading the capacity of a traffic signal, which, frankly, I
think everybody will acknowledge generates no more than a handful of
users out of Naples Bath and Tennis Club and we'll respectfully submit
that will generate no more then 60 percent of a handful out of Banyan
Woods.
The OR, as staff has indicated, proposed traffic improvements.
That is the game plan. That is the comprehensive plan. That is --
are the rules under which we come to you. Not a proposal as we hope
it would be, but a proposal as it is. The CIP provides for those
improvements to the adjacent right-of-ways and those right-of-ways
will be improved to accommodate whatever additional capacity is
generated from Banyan Woods.
We believe that you will also hear from our neighbors at
Kensington and they will support our request for the two proposed
modifications to the planned unit development document. We appreciate
the courtesy that has been extended to us by our planning staff. We
appreciate the recommendation of approval from the planning
commission. And we respectfully request your vote of approval subject
to the elimination of the ALF as a conditional use and subject to the
requirement that if and when we exceed 294 building units we build a
wall as and to the extent we have provided in our offer to Kensington.
Thank you, Madam Chairman.
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CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you. Are there questions for the
Petitioner?
COMMISSIONER CARTER: I would like to see you get creative on the
-- whether it is the roadway, green way, walkway that runs from the
north part of your property to Pine Ridge. There must be something
that can be done with this. I just came from Columbia, Maryland and
drove that community and saw some really beautiful things. In that
they incorporate some short green ways in areas. This could be
walking, this could be driving, whatever you want to do with it, but
not just another fence and a piece of concrete. I would like to see
something done that is aesthetically pleasing and ties that community
with an opportunity to walk up to the shopping and do those types of
things.
MR. PASSIDOMO: Commissioner Carter, is in fact -- I didn't
allude to it, but the planned unit development provides for -- and, I
think, it's reflected here and certainly reflected on the master plan.
There's an interconnect with the Carillon Shopping Center right in
the middle of the shopping center by pedestrian and by vehicular
access through controlled access means.
So what we've tried to do is be responsive to the requests we
have heard from the community. We've certainly heard articulated by
this commission to provide different means of interconnect to major
thoroughfares and means of interconnect to major shopping centers and
activity centers.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Let's do an interconnect here and --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I think he's talking about in addition to
what you have.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: You have walking in there. I am talking
about this back here. This is a piece that has an opportunity for
enhancement.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Isn't that indicated by that arrow that's on
there? That red arrow, Jim.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Not really. Not along the -- it would be
the -- let's see if I can get my directions right. Going on the east
side of the property. Way to the east side. No, way to the east side
as you come up and abut you against Kensington. CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Top left.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Coming there you have a proposed
interconnect that runs from there all the way to Pine Ridge. MR. PASSIDOMO: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Okay. That's what I'm saying. Enhance
that, do something with it. If it's not a driveway, make it a green
way walkway so that it ties the communities together and that it
offers an aesthetic buffer between properties and gives some
character, if you please, to that whole area.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Excuse me. Mr. Passidomo, where do you have
-- where is the food mart, that little produce section located? Can
you indicate that; is there any --
MR. PASSIDOMO: Yes, Commissioner. It's right in this area right
here.
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COMMISSIONER BERRY: Okay. So this is literally in back -- that
roadway that you're talking about is right in back of the Carillon
Shopping Center?
MR. PASSIDOMO: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Okay. Which is existing, for the most part
now, that takes you out to Pine Ridge Road; is that correct?
MR. PASSIDOMO: It is an existing roadway.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: It is an existing road.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: It is an existing road.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Well, let's keep it that way.
MR. PASSIDOMO: And, Mr. Carter, we would be happy to ask our
planner to elaborate on the nature and extent of the enhanced
landscaping that would be installed in that area, the wall to be
installed in that area. It's all part of our submittal. COMMISSIONER CARTER: Okay.
MR. PASSIDOMO: If you would like elaboration, we would be happy
to provide it.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Commissioner Constantine.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Commissioner Mac'Kie, at the beginning
of the hearing you raised the question and the issue for the public,
as much as for anyone, telling people that we're going to completely
stop development really isn't an option. There are private property
rights.
What is an option, however, is deciding what's appropriate use in
here. And as we look at your request, it talks about being in a --
within one mile of an activity center and within that one mile they
are eligible -- underline eligible -- for three -- a bonus density of
three units per acre. If they were not eligible that would be capped
at four units per acre.
Eligible doesn't mean we are required to do that. It doesn't
mean we have to do that in any way. It offers that up. What is
interesting -- and it says this in our staff report. But the intent
of that eligibility -- this is our own growth management plan --
indicates the intent behind providing a density bonus is to encourage
development.
Well, I hope nobody on this Board honestly believes that the only
way we're going to encourage development at Pine Ridge and Airport
Road is to have density bonuses. It is clearly not necessary for the
very purpose that's outlined in the growth management plan. And so I
think that what's more important there is to look at compatibility.
If you look at all the surrounding, 3.86 is pretty close to four units
per acre, which would be what was allowed anyway if it wasn't in that
density band.
So I think there are two things that are very clear. It doesn't
require that bonus in order to see development happen up there. We
don't need to encourage development. It's going to happen anyway.
And, two, I don't think anybody in the public is going to be out there
cheering for us to add 2,000 more cars a day to what is our single
busiest intersection in Collier County.
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So while they may very well have -- it's a good looking
development. There may be a requirement or a market for this up in
that part of the County. I think seven units an acre or even six
units an acre is in excess of what is in the best interest of the
County at large and certainly not what is required to encourage
development in that area.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I will just add my comments to that. That in
my amateur observations, this intersection is the best example of why
activity centers were a bad idea and concomitantly then --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Good word.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Good. It means it goes along with that
idea. That perhaps the density bonus inside or near an activity
center is likewise a bad idea. Commissioner Berry.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I'm not disagreeing with you, but I don't --
I think the public needs to understand what we have in front of us.
And I know, Commissioner Constantine, you're trying to make a point,
but you didn't finish the sentence. I'm not agreeing that we should
increase the density or do anything like that, but let's state what it
says here.
It says, "The growth management plan indicates that the intent
behind providing a density bonus is to encourage development of these
urban parcels so you're not forcing development out of the urban area
and" -- important word -- "to take advantage of existing public
facilities and utilities to the area." In other words, so you're not
forcing development into the rural area where you're going to have to
provide or be forced to provide water and sewer and all those kinds of
services outside of the area.
I'm not disputing what you're saying, but you forgot that part of
it. And so let's just be honest. I want to make sure we're up-front
with the public about what this says here, okay? That was the idea
behind the whole thing. I don't disagree with you in terms of numbers
because I agree.
I'm sorry. I'm one of them like Commissioner Mac'Kie. I'm not
sure the activity center is a wonderful idea. And in that particular
one, because of the traffic, we had to come back in and fix -- try to
fix the problem by adding stoplights to link up what is now known as
the Bed, Bath and Beyond area to the northwest corner to the southwest
corner with a traffic light. And then, of course, to come back and
provide the one from -- I will say where Beall's is over to Carillon.
And obviously there is nothing -- there is something on the northeast
corner, but you can't connect it up because of Pine Ridge Road. It's
-- you know, and you have a canal, et cetera, et cetera. But that's
what the situation is we're dealing with. I wanted to be clear.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: We have high-end communities here. What
everyone needs to understand, myself and the public, is you can create
another high-end community here, meaning it's higher priced, versus if
you have more units in there there's the potential that you will have
more economical units available. However, it causes such congestion
problems, as everyone has talked about, but to me it's not worth it.
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I would rather see us take compatibility with the area, go for a cap
at four units per acre, and create a community that is more compatible
with the rest of the surrounding communities.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Do we have -- do other Board members have
questions for Petitioner or for staff or should we go to public
speakers now?
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Just one clarification. Mr. Passidomo, I
think it's a little nuance that's different from when we spoke in my
office. But you're saying that the road to the north of Pine Ridge is
going in at the outset of the project?
MR. PASSIDOMO: No, sir. It will be there to provide access for
construction vehicles to provide horizontal infrastructure
installation. It will otherwise only be installed on a permanent
basis if we exceed six units per acre as a recommendation from the
planning commission.
Madam Chairwoman, if I can respond to some of the comments we
heard.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Certainly.
MR. PASSIDOMO: Unfortunately, the members of the public and
those of us who aren't here every day don't know what your rules and
regulations are, except to the extent that we can read them in your
comprehensive plan. As Commissioner Berry has correctly provided,
your comprehensive plan says in order to discourage urban sprawl,
development is encouraged adjacent to activity centers. Perhaps an
emerging sentiment on the Board of County Commissioners is that that
wasn't a good idea. But, frankly, that has not been embodied in your
comprehensive plan. Ail we know is what we read.
No one is asking for an entitlement. No one is asking for three
units an acre as a density bonus. We're simply asking for the base of
four. Two, and a recognition that compatibility, compatibility
adjacent to a regional shopping center over 300,000 units, 16 units
per acre density, and adjacent to it at Timberwood six units an acre.
We are simply suggesting that compatibility between sixteen and six,
yielding a result of six. It's hard pressed to say that's not
compatible. We would welcome --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Well, that's great selective
mathematics because your other neighbor up there, Kensington, is at
1.6 units per acre.
MR. PASSIDOMO: We'd welcome --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: And if you take all four and do the
average, it comes out to 3.86 units per acre. And so when we talk
about consistency, I don't think we're talking between sixteen and
six. I don't think we're talking about 11 units an acre.
As far as -- I understand the frustration if we're all saying,
"We're looking at the concept of activity centers." But we're not
saying we're going to completely wipe those rules out. I very
carefully pointed out it says you're eligible. You're not guaranteed.
MR. PASSIDOMO: We're not asking for a guarantee.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I know.
MR. PASSIDOMO: We're not asking for an entitlement.
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COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: What our role is here on the Board is
to make sure we use our best judgment to protect the overall
community. And, again, to spill out 1,900 or 2,000 or 1,650 if it's
six units per acre is -- 1,650 cars into that intersection I don't
think you'll find anyone on this Board that thinks that's in the best
interest of the community.
MR. PASSIDOMO: Commissioner Constantine, with all due respect,
the margin that's at issue before the commission -- I think you would
readily acknowledge that you were talking about three or four, even
though the base density in your comprehensive plan is four. The
margin certainly isn't 1,900. It certainly isn't 1,600.
The margin is a matter of hundreds spread over a day. It's not
1,600 or 1,900, with all due respect.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Commissioner Berry.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I think this issue comes back, as
Commissioner Norris has brought up several times, you have the rules
that you have to play with in front of you. If we don't like this in
the future, then we need to change it somewhere in our plan.
And this I think -- I think we're all getting -- we're coming to
this conclusion that we need to change some of these areas. And
there's no doubt about it. This is one of the most miserable
intersections in Collier County to deal with. I have to drive through
it to come down here to this office every day. COMMISSIONER CARTER: That's two of us.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I do it coming here and going home. I don't
really have a lot of choice, unless I want to go out to the interstate
or go up Santa Barbara and Logan. And that's way out of my road. So
I have to go, for the most part, through that intersection. And it's
miserable.
On the other hand, how do we -- with the rules that we have here,
how can we adjust this and yet be fair to the property owner?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I think the answer is the rules are --
we can consider their request. We don't have to do it. The rules,
the way they are written, allow us the flexibility to say, yes, that's
in the best interest of the community, or, no, it's not.
And I would be awful hard pressed to say it's in the best
interest of the community to put six units an acre there. It just
isn't. It is still a marketable tract at four units per acre.
It's clearly marketable since Kensington is doing it at 1.6 units
per acre. You can still find a reasonably priced product. I'm not
suggesting you want to do another Kensington. A reasonably priced
product at four units an acre.
Our worry is to make sure the private property owner gets a fair
shake, but not -- it doesn't necessarily have to be the absolute
maximum of whatever can possibly be squeezed out of there. CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: The only -- sorry.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I think our -- in answer to Barb's
question, our charge here is to follow the rules, absolutely. But
those rules allow us that flexibility to make sure we protect the
general public.
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CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: My thought though -- I agree with this
concept, but I'm not sure what the number is because I know it's not
1.6 because the size of the parcels. You know, the size of the parcel
-- this is an example of one of those small pieces of land sort of
stuck in the middle of nowhere. I mean, in the middle of everywhere,
but that it's hard to imagine what is the appropriate use.
And I don't know if it's economically feasible to do a project
there at four units an acre. I hope we will get some testimony on
that if that's --
COMMISSIONER BERRY: What was the density for World Tennis, which
is just south --
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Three point something.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: World Tennis is 4.5. Straight across
the street at Naples Bath and Tennis is 3.36.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Right. I got that one.
MR. PASSIDOMO: What we're being informed on this, Madam
Chairwoman, is that the density averages -- and, frankly, the concern
that we have in dealing with averages is you can derive any number you
want if you deal with averages. But the density averages that are
going into these calculations don't include 16 per unit at Carillon,
which, frankly, is the border that is the longest of our four borders.
Sixteen units per acre.
None of that is going into the calculation. And frankly --
again, we're not asking for an entitlement. We're asking for an
allocation of two out of a proposal of three to follow your own
comprehensive plan that says to encourage development to discourage
urban sprawl.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: In fairness though, I mean, the
Governor and Cabinet are taking care of that issue with us right now.
We're not going to have urban sprawl screaming beyond 951 if we only
allow this to go at four units per acre.
MR. PASSIDOMO: In all candor, Commissioner, then amend your
comprehensive plan so you're sending clear signals to the public
because that is not what your comprehensive plan and the rules and
regulations under which we are here say.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: The comprehensive plan allows the
option of doing that. And there may still be some activity centers
that have less development and less traffic impact than this one where
an additional unit or two or three might be appropriate. And that's
why that option is still there. But it doesn't say it is appropriate
everywhere and will be approved.
It allows the Board the option to look at each individual case.
And in this case my suggestion is at that intersection it's clearly
not appropriate.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: I agree.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Do you mind if we go to public speakers at
this point?
MR. FERNANDEZ: If I may, I have a couple brief comments.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: For the record.
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MR. FERNANDEZ: Michael Fernandez for the record, also
representing the Petitioner, the project planner. This piece of --
this piece of land is a unique opportunity and it has unique
circumstances.
It's farm land. Many of the other parcels that you have near
activity centers are not. They have wetlands. They have borrow pits.
They have other constraints. This project does not. We're very
fortunate here to have an opportunity to link up to one of the
greatest traffic users around, which is a large shopping center that
offers grocery stores and other amenities. It also affords the
opportunity to cross the street and go to the other one. That is
going to relieve this project of trips.
The other issue that I'd ask you to consider is if you add -- if
you add into the average the Carillon project, that number goes up
appreciably. And what we've done with this project is we have
sensitized our design to the neighborhood. We've come back and
maintained two stories next to our neighbors to the east and to the
south. As evidence of the kind of density that we're really talking
about, if any of you have had the opportunity to visit Timberwood.
Timberwood, directly south of us, only has six units an acre.
It's only one and two-story buildings. We're not talking a huge
density here.
This project also has a unique opportunity if granted over six
units and that is to provide access to both arterials that are nearby.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Why can that only happen with six units?
MR. FERNANDEZ: The easement that was written is -- becomes
effective at the six units.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And who has control over that easement; who
might we --
MR. FERNANDEZ: That's how the easement was written and that was
provided for so that if -- that was the condition upon its
acquisition. In other words, it's being purchased. It's a purchased
easement for that purpose only. And that was the -- that is how it is
related to the design.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: The question that I have might be a legal
one. That is, if we wanted to renegotiate the terms of that easement
-- if we wanted to seek to negotiate those terms to reduce that
density number, with whom would we negotiate; who has the grantor
authority in that easement?
MR. FERNANDEZ: I will leave that up to Mr. Passidomo to address.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Because I would like to see -- as you said,
Commissioner Carter, do we have to go to six to get the connection? I
would like to see the connection.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Well, the problem there too -- what we're talking
about is one-quarter mile of roadway. One-quarter mile of roadway is
a very expensive in addition to.
And to Mr. Carter's comment, I think his points are well taken.
And, quite frankly, it would be undesirable to have a raceway that
would go straight -- a quarter mile raceway, which would go from this
project out to Pine Ridge.
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What we would like to do is do as you had suggested. We can have
both a vehicular and a pedestrian way that would connect the project
and go up. That's very possible here. But if we do that, what we're
looking at is we have connections to shopping.
This is a great location for us. If this density is placed
elsewhere, the residents actually have further to travel to go to
these -- to the movie theater, to the --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Unless this density is placed nowhere.
MR. FERNANDEZ: If it's not placed nowhere. But the marketplace
is going to accommodate it somewhere. This is perhaps a unique
opportunity and a unique place for us to have it here. CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I understand your point.
MR. FERNANDEZ: And, again, as I said, the density when you
average Carillon, Kensington, World Tennis Center and Timberwood --
you add those together, what you end up with and you divide is about
-- approximately seven units per acre.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Well, it's a little bit of an unfair
thing though because you look at Kensington and you're on 369 acres.
If you look at Carillon where you say 16 units, you're on 11 acres.
MR. FERNANDEZ: You're absolutely right, Commissioner. And from
a planning perspective the way you address that is you look at the
rate of impact. Obviously if you had just a small piece of frontage
and low density it would skew all the results. If you actually
apportion it by the length of frontage, we would actually end up with
a higher number, at eight.
So what we're requesting is what the planning commissioners
recommended, which is six, plus one if the road is put in. Staff has
recommended six and we think that those numbers are reasonable.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And I am going to pause here because I have
just had a request from the court reporter to take a break. So we're
going to take a five minute break and be back at quarter 'til.
(Recess was taken.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I'll call the meeting back to order now
we've had our quick change on our court reporters, and go to public
speakers on this petition.
Ramiro, could you call the public speakers for us, please?
MR. MANALICH: Certainly.
The first public speaker is Jay Wolff followed by Dr. Charles, I
believe, Zinn.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Mr. Preston, could I get you to just move
that over? Actually, if you lean it against that little framed area
there, it can be picked up by the equipment.
MR. WOLFF: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Jay
Wolff. I'm here as a representative of the Commons Board of the
Naples Bath and Tennis Community. This is not the Naples Bath and
Tennis Club, the recreational tennis club. This is the board of the
residential community of 512 dwellings.
Before I go any further, I would -- I would like to comment on
the altruistic change that the developers have made in their focus
here. Suddenly it seems that they're very concerned about making
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their project dense enough to protect the rural areas of our county,
and I think it's a very altruistic change that they've made.
I wonder how many people would be deterred from moving into the
rural areas because their project is more dense as to location. But
as you very wisely pointed out, these density figures in the code are
maximum figures only. These do not imply that this is a proper or
desirable level of usage and they're certainly not entitlements.
A very wise man who spent his life dealing with numbers once
pointed out that the things that we can count in life tend to be the
things that don't count for much, and the things that we can't count
are the things that count the most.
And I would suggest here that the thing that we can't count is
the issue of compatibility. How compatible will this project be with
its neighbors?
It's perfectly reasonable for this board in its discretion to
decide to allot a lower level of density for this project if you feel
that the interests of the community at large require a lower density.
The community I'm talking about is the Airport Road community.
It's a residential community running from Golden Gate up to Pine
Ridge, and it's a rather attractive residential community.
And I would point out that although the developers choose to
speak of their northern border, which is the Carillon Shopping Center,
their project is bordered on the west by the Bath and Tennis
Community, which has a density of 3.3 units per acre.
It's bordered on the south by the World Tennis Center, which has
the density of only 4.5 units per acre. And its primary border on the
east is Kensington, which has a density of 1.6 units per acre. Only a
very small part of their eastern border is represented by Timberwood.
We feel that a reasonable level of density for this project would
be one which reflects its neighbors and which reflects the community
that it's in. And, certainly, the staff recommendation of six units
per acre was recommended as an absolute maximum.
And I think that compatibility, compatibility with its neighbors,
and compatibility with the community at large, would mandate a density
considerably less than six units per acre. I think that the average
of its neighbors is less than four units per acre. Certainly, a
four-unit-per-acre density for this project would be much more
reasonable.
I point out one other thing. The developer mentions the
existence of the Carillon density figures as a justification for their
density being higher. The Carillon Shopping Center area already has
approval for 180 units, which can be put in at any time. This
additional density will add that much more traffic to the area.
I don't think that that additional density warrants Banyan Woods
having a higher density. I think it mandates Banyan Woods having a
lower density, because Banyan Woods would be just adding their traffic
to the additional traffic that Carillon is certainly going to be
producing.
So, again, I -- I would suggest that a four-unit-per-acre density
for this project is certainly reasonable and compatible with the
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surrounding residential communities and certainly is much more
desirable for this community as a whole. Thank you.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Our next speaker?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Our next speaker is Dr. Charles Zinn and then
Dexter Groose.
DR. ZINN: Good afternoon. I'm Dr. Charles Zinn. I live at 5170
Kensington High Street, directly east of this Banyan Woods
development.
If I could hand -- make a little handout to you?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: If you would hand that to the
gentleman right there, he'll bring them up to us. DR. ZINN: Which one is the gentleman?
This handout just reiterates the densities of the units
surrounding the Banyan Woods new development.
Let me make it clear that we at Kensington do not oppose the
development of Banyan Woods; however, we are in opposition to the
requested density of the area.
As you can see from this handout, the figures of which you've
already had, but it just reiterates this, that the requested density
of six is much higher than those of the communities surrounding the
Banyan Woods area.
We're also concerned about the increased traffic to the
Airport-Pine Ridge area, and as you will note, the 180 units that will
be built on -- or that are proposed and have an okay to be built on
the 6.23 acres, the Carillon PUD, would certainly increase the traffic
considerably.
So, in conclusion, we at Kensington would -- would hope that you
would consider a lower density than that proposed by the developers.
Thank you.
MR. FERNANDEZ: The next speaker is Dexter Groose, and then --
no. I'm sorry. That's the final.
MR. GROOSE: Good afternoon. My name is Dexter Groose. I live
at 5202 Kensington High Street, and I'm secretary of the Kensington
Yorktown Villas Association.
When this item was heard at the Planning Council, fewer than half
of our residents were back, and that may have led to why the Planning
Council had supported it. We were not out at that meeting to voice
our objection.
Kensington -- Yorktown is not in favor of a permanent roadway to
connect Banyan Woods with Pine Ridge. We have worked out an agreement
with the developer that if he wanted to use that as a temporary
roadway while he's putting in his horizontal construction, that that
would be okay with us, but we do not want this connector as a
permanent roadway.
I bought in Yorktown just a year and a half ago, and I had not
envisioned to see traffic on the other side of -- across the street
from me that would feed a -- a community of perhaps four or 500
residents as the petitioner is requesting.
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You have before you an analysis that was done of the communities,
the greater Carillon Kensington community, which shows all of the --
the communities in -- in this neighborhood.
The number was mentioned to you a little while ago, a 3.86
average density. I can tell you I'm a consultant and I deal in
economic analyses. That is a false number.
If you look at what you have in front of you, the way you
calculate density is to take the total units of all five of these
developments or take the total -- total units and divide them by the
total acres of all five developments. That gives you an average
density of 2.8, substantially less than 3.86.
We think a -- a project that would be around three or four units
per acre would be compatible with the existing community.
We see no need to go to six or even more; however, if -- if the
commission decides to approve this development for more than six units
per acre, against the recommendations of your professional staff, then
we ask that -- that this -- that we be protected with a permanent
sound barrier on the common property line between the access road and
Kensington, as has been offered by the developer, and -- but we think
that -- that a density of-- of four units per acre is more in keeping
with the existing community, which is at 2.8.
If you take them to four, he's at least a third higher than the
existing community, and we think that's plenty. Thank you.
CHAIRWOMA~ MAC'KIE: Thank you, sir.
That was our last public speaker?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Last -- that was your last speaker.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Then we'll close the public hearing.
What's the will of the board?
Well, before a motion -- I'm sorry -- I have a question regarding
transportation issues. Would that be for you or --
MR. BELLOWS: I can answer traffic impact statement questions.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. That's -- that's what I have in mind.
When we talk about -- we, as a board, have a feeling that this amount
of traffic added to that intersection there could be, frankly,
disastrous. A tremendous amount of traffic added there would be
terrible, yet in your professional opinion, you have recommended
approval with some caveats.
Why are we so concerned about the traffic impacts of this project
and staff is not?
MR. BELLOWS: Well, staff is concerned about --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: No.
MR. BELLOWS: -- traffic impacts.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: All right. Let me ask the question a
different way.
Are we mistaken in our concern that this project may have an
inordinate number of traffic impacts?
MR. BELLOWS: No, and I think if you look at the staff report, I
mention that the project fronts on Airport-Pulling Road, which on the
future land use map is a traffic congestion boundary.
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This project, normally, since it has direct access to
Airport-Pulling Road, would be subject to a reduction of one dwelling
unit per acre because it would impact Airport-Pulling Road, a traffic
congestion boundary.
But the language was recently changed in the Growth Management
Plan that since it's technically outside of the boundary, but despite
having access to it, we don't substract the dwelling unit anymore.
But that was a concern staff had and we put that in the staff
report. The Growth Management Plan, the traffic circulating element
density policy of 5.1 and 5.2, basically state that if the project
exceeds five percent of the level of services in design capacity,
that's a significant impact.
Even though this technically doesn't meet that five percent based
on the dual splits of the roadway coming up Pine Ridge Road with the
secondary access road to Pine Ridge, it's still a traffic concern and
-- and dealing with compatibility issues. Staff is recommending a
lower density, such as six or five.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Mr. Fernandez, you mentioned before --
Michael Fernandez, you mentioned earlier the -- there was a question
about the road connector to Pine Ridge.
Is there any like ownership of those properties or any business
relationship between the various owners of those properties? MR. FERNANDEZ: There is none, commissioner.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Well, it was just brought up as though
MR. FERNANDEZ: Yes. It's my understanding --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- you thought that was --
MR. FERNANDEZ: Yes, there is.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Okay.
MR. FERNANDEZ: That it's --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Well, let me finish the question.
Perhaps I misunderstood the point you were trying to make before, but
it sounded as though you were implying there might be difficulty
acquiring that if you had a lower density. If there's a common
ownership, then it really shouldn't be an issue.
MR. FERNANDEZ: It's not totally uncommon. There is common
ownership, but it's not with all the parties. The way the easement
was written in a copy was provided to staff and it is a recorded
easement. It was negotiated subject to the understanding that if --
if the cost of the road could be justified, it would be -- then it
could be purchased as part of the project.
The determination was made to put it there for the 294 units,
such that when that -- if we got over six units an acre, that would
justify the value of the roadway and could be purchased. And the
easement was written so that that's when it becomes activated.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Can you detail for me the likes or
differences in the business? You said, boy, some of the ownership is
the same and some aren't?
MR. FERNANDEZ: I don't have the specific details. There is more
than one parcel involved here that's aggregated, but, no, I can't. I
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can't speak to that, but the easement is written in such a way that it
doesn't have -- we don't have that flexibility at this time for that
purpose.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: If staff has seen the easement, who's the
grantor? Does somebody have a copy of the easement we could see so we
can understand from whom we might need to seek or, you know, request a
change?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I'm just a little frustrated because
it was presented to us as though that would be a difficult task if
it's like ownership and it seems your comments may have been a little
MR. FERNANDEZ: Well, the --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- disingenuous.
MR. FERNANDEZ: -- the tax in the pot has broke fear that it
would only become effectuated with the 294th unit.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: But we could change that --
MR. FERNANDEZ: It was only --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- today. We could change that.
MR. FERNANDEZ: If -- well, it's not part of the petition.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Madam Chairwoman, I'm wondering -- it seems
like we're struggling with this particular issue.
If there would be an opportunity to continue this for two weeks
and see if they could work out some of these details that we've been
talking about up here --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I'd be willing to approve it today,
four units an acre with two connections.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That isn't what I certainly would be willing
to do I don't know if the petitioner would withdraw at that point or
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Well, that's --
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: There's one way to find out if you made the
motion.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I'll make a motion that we approve the
petition at four units per acre with an interconnection between -- or
a connection to both Pine Ridge and Airport Road. COMMISSIONER CARTER: I'll second that.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And before we vote on this, somebody has got
to show me in here this is the easement. I don't see where it says
upon a certain number of units. We --
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: The second page.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: It says it? Somebody know it says --
John, do you know that it says that?
MR. PASSIDOMO: It's on the top of the second page, ma'am.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Easement shall not become effective
unless and until a building permit is issued for the 294th residential
unit.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: That's building permit though, not
approved.
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CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yes, but that -- but this declaration of
easement is given from -- just one second here -- is given from Marian
H. Garace, which is the exact same name as the applicant --
MR. FERNANDEZ: Yeah.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- here.
MR. FERNANDEZ: I think that it's -- it's a -- there's two
different trusts, but the question is right now what we have is an
easement that was put in there for that purpose with that --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yeah, but --
MR. FERNANDEZ: -- limitation.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- that could be a cute trick, Michael. I
mean, I'm not suggesting that it is, but it could be a cute trick for
an applicant to come in here and say, gosh, we'd love to give you that
second access, but we can't unless you give us the number of units we
want, because, look, we've got this recorded document that says it's
only going to happen at X number of units.
MR. FERNANDEZ: But that was that -- the justification for the
easement is the number of units able to pay for a quarter mile
driveway which, of course, is the big difference between amortizing
the costs of such improvements over six units or seven units versus
doing it over four.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: But the grantor here --
MR. FERNANDEZ: Yeah. I mean, we've got Timberwood to the south
that only has a singular access to Airport that's six units and under.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Gosh -- you're distracting us. I'm not
going to go there.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: And I just need to know, do you have
any idea -- did you have any idea who owned these, because for you to
stand there and say they're different entities and we may not be able
to do it, and then it turns out we've got the same name appearing on
both documents, it sounds as though you're being dishonest in front of
the board of commissioners.
MR. FERNANDEZ: I can't speak precisely to the ownership of the
trust.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Then you probably shouldn't have
spoken on it at all.
MR. FERNANDEZ: You're probably right. I agree.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I'm -- I'm sorry I got into this center, but
now that all of this -- okay. We do have -- we know who the
beneficiaries of this trust are because they're required to be
disclosed. There's only one beneficiary as showed on Page 26, if I'm
reading it right.
If the property is in the name of a trustee -- no. There are
three. List the name of the beneficiaries; Wallace Lewis, Marian
Garace and Lynn Scelfo.
The questions is, are they the same beneficiaries who grant --
for whom Miss Garace -- am I saying it right? Garace?
MR. FERNANDEZ: The applicant is telling me that, no, it's not.
They're not the same beneficiaries.
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CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, who's the applicant? Maybe they would
want to come to talk to us.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Apparently they don't want to talk to us.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: They can withdraw their --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Yeah. We've got a motion on the
floor.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Yeah.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: They can withdraw their --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Whomever is going to speak on behalf of the
petitioner, there is a motion and a second on the floor that I'm about
to call. Before I call that question --
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Marjorie Student, what's your opinion?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Miss Student, I am so sorry.
MS. STUDENT: Thank you, Commissioner.
For the record, Marjorie Student, Assistant County Attorney.
Just for purposes of the record, since the motion is for less
density, would the motion maker kindly state sort of a recap of the
reasons why there -- there would be compatibility traffic concerns or
whatever?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Thank you.
They are due to, primarily, compatibility and also taking into
consideration the extreme traffic concerns of the Pine Ridge-Airport
Road corridor.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And now?
MR. FERNANDEZ: We'd be in favor of either a continuance or we
withdraw the petition.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I'm not through. I don't have anybody
that has a second opinion on it, so --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Is there anyone who would make a Motion to
Continue?
Is that the appropriate mechanism, Ramiro, for -- does that --
does the petitioner have the option unilaterally --
MR. MANALICH: Well, I think --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- to continue this?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: No.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I don't think so.
MR. MANALICH: At this point you have a motion on the floor.
Unless that motion is amended, it should be voted upon.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Unless the petition is withdrawn.
MR. FERNANDEZ: We would ask that be the case then.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So, the petition is withdrawn at this point.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: And withdrawn doesn't mean you can
come back two weeks from now or six months --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Or six months.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- so you're clear?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Go forward?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Would you like a few minutes to speak with
your --
MR. FERNANDEZ: Would you --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- client?
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MR. FERNANDEZ: -- please?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yes. That would be appropriate. We'll just
play the Jeopardy tune up here for a few minutes.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Let me just make a motion to table and
we'll come back to this one.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Good idea.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Second.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: All in favor, please say aye.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Aye.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Aye.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Aye.
Opposed?
Let's go to the -- we've just tabled your petition. We're going
to the next one, the next one being --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: And we'll come back to that one --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: At the end of -- yeah.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Yes.
Item #13A1
RESOLUTION 99-419, RE PETITIOIN CU-99-08, EMILIO J. ROBAU, P.E., OF
RWA, INC., REPRESENTING JASSY REAL ESTATE INVESTMENTS, INC.,
REQUESTING CONDITIONAL USE "17" OF THE "A" ZONING DISTRICT FOR A GOLF
COURSE, CONSISTING OF 313.56+/- ACRES - ADOPTED
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: This is the Jassy Real Estate, Inc. Golf
Course.
Will all persons wishing to be heard on this item, please stand
and raise your right hand and be sworn by the court reporter?
(The witnesses were first duly sworn by the court reporter.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I have met with the applicant in this
matter.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: So have I.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: As have I.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Yep.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: As have I.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Should we hear -- would the board
like to hear a staff report or do we have questions for staff?
This has certainly been a well-publicized item. Would you like
to hear this?
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: It has, and I think my question really --
and I don't mean to seem flip about this, but I've had the
presentation and looked through the staff report, but I just want to
MR. REISCHL: I'm sorry. It's hard to hear you, Commissioner.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: I just want to confirm on the record that
this petition was filed before June 22nd.
MR. REISCHL: It was filed --
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THE COURT REPORTER: Would you identify yourself for the record,
please?
MR. REISCHL: Fred Reischl, Planning Services.
It was filed prior to June 22nd, 1999, and it's therefore
consistent with the final order of administration.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: That's -- that's really the only question
that I have, because I've looked at all the other --
COMMISSIONER CARTER: And for the record, I would like you to
state the current condition of this unimproved land. MR. REISCHL: Current what? I'm sorry.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Condition. Otherwise, what's there, what
would it look like when we're done?
MR. REISCHL: There are 176.9 acres of golf course and clubhouse
when it will be complete. The remainder will be preserved. Right now
it is a mixture of forested land and forested in semi forested pasture
as well as clear pasture.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: It is my understanding that forested land
today is full of Melaleuca, pepper and things that the developer is
willing to take out to make this a more habitable piece of property.
MR. REISCHL: There's a good portion of exotic infested land,
yes.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: And left as it is, it would not be a good
place for wildlife to survive or even procreate or do whatever
wildlife would like to do amongst pepper trees and Melaleucas.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Hey, hey, this is a children's show.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: It sounds like a wild thing to me.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I have a question.
I'm sorry. Did you get an answer?
COMMISSIONER CARTER: No. Well, I mean, environmentally, it's
not in good shape is my point. When it's finished, it will be a more
environmentally appropriate, if I may use the term, piece of property
than it currently is today.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And my --
MR. REISCHL: That's staff's opinion.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And my question for staff, we set the
parameters appropriately by saying that this is a petition that is
available for our consideration because it was filed prior to the
entering of the order from the Governor and cabinet.
MR. REISCHL: Correct. In approximately two months. It wasn't
even a close call.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Therefore, it has the status that it would
have had if we had never had an order from the Governor and cabinet,
and that status is it is an application for conditional use. It's not
an entitlement of any kind. It is merely an application for
conditional use, that if it is -- if it does meet the criteria for
approval of a conditional use, it's entitled to be approved. But it
is not a permitted use. It's not a use of right as of the -- prior to
the -- I'm sorry -- to Judge Meale's order to -- MR. REISCHL: Right. That's correct.
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CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So, it's important that we look at this as
if it's purely a conditional use. We look to see does it comply?
Commissioner Berry.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Here we go again on the roads. My concern
is Sabal Palm Road and the condition of that road at the current time
and what exactly is going to happen if this is approved, what's going
to happen to that roadway, what are the future plans for that roadway
to accommodate, because for somebody to say that there's not going to
be a lot of traffic, that's wrong.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: The irony --
COMMISSIONER BERRY: And I know there are orange groves out there
right now, and that obviously draws traffic. There's no question
about that. There's numerous other things out there, but at the same
time, if you -- if we are going to grant a conditional use, we are
saying then that there's infrastructure that's capable of handling
that use.
And my concern is, what are we going to address that because that
road in my humble opinion -- maybe Mr. Kant or, Fred, you can speak to
this, either one. Let's talk about that road just a little bit before
we go off on this conditional use.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Yeah. I was just going to say the
irony is, in the last ten years the number of property owners out
there have made an effort to deal with -- COMMISSIONER BERRY: That's right.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- and the state has fought that and
-- but I'd hate to have somebody who's been penalized by the state get
further penalized.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Yep.
MR. REISCHL: If you can look at the visualizer, you can see
County Barn Road. Approximately the first mile is county and beyond
County Barn --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Sabal Palm.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Sabal Palm.
MR. REISCHL: Thank you. Sabal Palm Road.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: It's all right.
MR. REISCHL: And beyond that is private.
The petitioner would have to bring the unimproved portion of
Sabal Palm Road up to county standards at the Environmental Advisory
Council meeting.
A representative of South Florida Water Management District
stated that this was not unpermittable, but that they would have to go
through the permitting process to improve the road.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: A couple of other just framework questions
from me that I know the answers to, but what portion of this property
is within the CREW acquisition?
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: CREW?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Uh-huh.
MR. REISCHL: The area that is within the CREW acquisition area,
which is a willing seller --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: CARL, I think, is what we mean to be saying.
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COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Thank you. There's no way any of this
is in --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Sorry.
MR. REISCHL: I apologize for my second misspeaking there. It's
within the CARL --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Allegedly.
MR. REISCHL: -- project acquisition area, which is a willing
seller program. In fact this parcel is bordered on two sides by state
owned land.
As part of the notification process, we sent notification to DNR
in Tallahassee. This morning I spoke with Sonja Durrwachter of the
forestry division. She said Tallahassee never notified her of this
project. Apparently notification has come through us at the county.
She was happy that we notified her. She had some concerns mostly
with berm that the Water Management District requires.
If I can --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I'm sorry, but the answer to my question is
this is 100 percent within the CARL boundaries? MR. REISCHL: No.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I didn't think so.
MR. REISCHL: All right.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I thought only part of it was. Wow! Okay.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I'm just making sure I heard right.
That's a willing seller.
MR. REISCHL: Willing seller.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: So, if you're not willing to sell, it
really is a moot point.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, it's a moot point, but for -- it
certainly is moot as to whether or not it will be acquired by the
state, but it is relevant in identifying whether or not a piece of
property is environmentally significant, because it is significant
enough to the state, that the state has said we wish we could acquire
it, but the state has not said we're going to take it from you.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I'll bet they could acquire it if they'd
step up to the plate and pay the toll.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: That's the bottom line. If it's
environmentally significant, and some governmental entity wants to pay
for it, Commissioner Berry is right, but we can't say, no, it's too
significant to use, but tough luck. Nobody's going to pay for it
either.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: It's been -- it's nevertheless information.
MR. REISCHL: And also you can see the proposed Natural Resource
Protection Area, the property was excluded from that.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Is that excluded from the staff's proposed
or from the board's adopted NRPA?
MR. REISCHL: I believe -- this is just obtained from Mr. Lorenz,
I believe, it's where it's adopted.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. And as the -- the staff proposed, I
guess Mr. Lorenz could tell us, was any of this property recommended
for inclusion in Natural Resource Protection Area?
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MR. LORENZ: For the record, Bill Lorenz, Natural Resource
director.
The staff recommended that this property be excluded from the
NRPA designation. Since the final order had excluded it from -- from
the consideration as a result of its -- its timing status.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Oh, but -- but regard -- if -- but for that
exception, because it had filed early, would it have been included in
your --
MR. LORENZ: We would -- we would have included it in the NRPA if
it had not had that -- that filing status.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. And, again, none of that's
conclusive. It's just information. I appreciate it.
Did we have more questions for staff or shall we go to the
petitioner?
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Let's go to the petitioner.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Mr. Yovanovich.
MR. YOVAi~OVICH: Good afternoon, commissioners.
For the record, Rich Yovanovich with the law firm of Goodlette,
Coleman and Johnson representing the petitioner.
I have available for you and -- and two experts who will be
making a brief presentation, hopefully, to address some of your
concerns regarding water management issues, environmental issues and
other issues.
Ken Passarella, who prepared the environmental impact statement
is here. He's testified before you in the past, and I think you all
would acknowledge he's an expert in that area.
And also Emilio Robau was the engineer for the project, and he
has testified before you in the past, and I think you'd also
acknowledge that he's an expert in -- in project planning, in
engineering related projects.
Commissioner Mac'Kie, you were right. Today before you is a
conditional use application for an 18-hole golf course. We could
have, as a matter of right, gone forward with a residential golf
course community, but chose not to build the residential units and
only build the -- the golf course; therefore, we had to come to you
for a conditional use.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Rich -- I'm sorry -- if you wanted to you
could have platted a golf course here, and if you had houses with it?
Is that your point?
MR. YOVANOVICH: Right. It would have been an accessory use to
the -- to the residence -- to the residences but we chose to go with
just the golf courses, a limited use, and avoid any issue as to
whether or not residential, 63 residential units, would support a golf
course, so we went with the golf course.
MR. REISCHL: If I could just interject into that, that would be
prior to June 22nd.
MR. YOVANOVICH: June 20 -- correct. Right.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Which they were.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Correct.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you.
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MR. YOVANOVICH: Two months ahead of time. And, again, this is
one of those petitions that the Department of Community Affairs
reviewed before they agreed to the June 22nd moratorium date.
The intervenors also agreed to this application going forward on
the current standards.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: So, this will not be a surprise or a
shock to DCF. They knew this months ago.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Yeah. We go through the existing criteria. I'm
not saying they agreed to the project, but they agreed to the rules by
which this project would be judged.
The staff report is pretty thorough and explains our project and
-- and we'll go through in greater detail.
We basically have a 313 unit -- 313-acre piece of property.
I just wanted to correct one thing that Fred said. We are
actually only impacting 136 of the acres, and 176 of the acres will be
in preserve, so we are -- we are impacting less than 50 percent of the
site.
And -- and also I want to point out that this project goes above
and beyond what -- the county requirements currently in effect. We
will impact, like I said, less than 50 percent of the site. We will
maintain -- we will retain over 70 percent of the existing vegetation
on site. Your current requirement is 15 percent.
As we get into the details of the project, we will show you how
we are able to maintain the natural flowway in the area. Water
management issues will be addressed by Emilio Robau.
Staff has explained in their staff report that we are compatible
with the surrounding uses.
Ken Passarella will get into you -- into a little bit greater
detail the point that Commissioner Carter was making, that we will be
required to clear the preserve areas of exotics and maintain those
areas, so we're actually improving the environment and, essentially,
the state is getting a preserve area without our having to pay for it
and the maintenance obligation will be retained with us.
It will be retained by the property owner, and I believe we all
know how well the state has been clearing state lands of -- of exotics
and maintaining those areas.
So, I would submit to you that our project is a -- goes well
above and beyond what is required. It should serve as a model project
for projects in this area, in this part of the rural fringe.
I'd like to briefly go through some of the highlights of what was
in the proposed DCA settlement agreement of March 19th, and I'd -- and
I'd like to point out that we basically meet all of the criteria in
that settlement agreement other than the two for one exotic -- you
know, mitigation aspect.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Could I just say -- because that could be
real important to me. What -- what you're going to tell us, what we
referred to as the conservancy standards for construction of golf
courses within the fringe --
MR. YOVANOVICH: Correct.
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CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- you're going to say that this project
meets all of them but one?
MR. YOVANOVICH: It meets the 50 percent set aside.
We were basically going to improve wildlife corridors. All of
our impacts are steered away from the better wetlands on our property.
The historical flowway for the unimpacted areas will be
maintained and the preserve areas will be in a conservation area.
And I would submit to you those were the major concerns in the
conservancy's criteria in the settlement agreement.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: You haven't by any chance had anybody from
the conservancy look at this plan and having -- MR. YOVANOVICH: Have not. Have not.
I -- I simply went back and looked at what was in the record and
comparing what was in the record with what our project is -- is doing.
Your environmental staff has recommended approval of this
project. Your planning staff has recommended approval of this
project. I think you would acknowledge that they are experts in their
field.
You will hear from all of the experts that this project exceeds
the county requirements that should be approved and, therefore, we
believe that the evidence will show that this project is -- is
entitled to an approval because we have met the conditional use
criteria, we have met the existing growth management plan criteria,
and unless you have any specific questions of me, I'd like to hand it
over to Ken Passarella to take you through the environmental impacts
of this project.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I'd like to hear that, but before we get
there, is there -- I'm sorry. I don't see it, but is there somewhere
in my packet that tells me that environmental staff has recommended
approval?
MR. YOVANOVICH: Well, I don't know if it's -- I can give you a
copy of the -- the staff report, the EAC, if you need that.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yeah. I don't think I do have that.
Just while your expert is coming up, if somebody could -- when I
see the EAC recommendation and it's -- it's a recommendation of denial
MR. YOVANOVICH: Well, I'll -- I'll read for you, for the record,
and I'll happy to submit my copy. It says, staff recommends approval
of conditional use Petition CU99-08 Sabal Palm golf course with the
following stipulations, and there are the typical water management
review.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Is that environmental staff?
MR. YOVANOVICH: Yes.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Or is that planning staff?
MR. YOVANOVICH: Both. Your environmental staff and then with
your application -- your -- your staff report to the CCPC. They both
recommended approval.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Is that correct?
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MR. REISCHL: That's correct. I have the Environmental Advisory
Council's staff report.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And I'd like to look at that while he's
talking, if you don't mind.
And you were going to bring up an expert.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Yes.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Could these in the future be included in our
packets, Vince?
MR. CAUTERO: Yes.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you.
MR. PASSARELLA: Good afternoon. For the record I'm Ken
Passarella with Passarella and Associates. I'm an ecologist. And I'd
like to talk about the environmental aspects of the project.
First of all, I'd like to direct your attention to the aerial
photograph behind me here. And, as you can see, the property is
bounded by undeveloped land to the east, undeveloped land to the
north. There is -- off to the west, there is scattered residential
area. To the south, we have citrus and some undeveloped land in that
area with Sabal Palm Road running along the south boundary.
With respect to the types of vegetation, the type of habitats
that are on the property, there are some significant areas on the
property as far as overall land uses.
One of the main land uses on the property is currently an
agricultural field; i.e., an area that's been used for cattle grazing
-- that has been approved for cattle grazing that has been used for
cattle.
That area shows up on the aerial; that is, this large area in
this area right here.
To the east of that, we have undeveloped land forested areas that
includes both uplands and wetlands.
If I can direct your attention to the colored map on the wall
over here, the white areas show up as the upland areas on this map,
this large reddish orange area here.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: The other one, Katie. Sorry. She's just
getting in on the visualizer.
MR. PASSARELLA: Okay.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: There you go.
MR. PASSARELLA: All right. The large orange, reddish area up
here is the -- is the ag field, and this -- the majority of this ag
field was claimed as jurisdictional wetlands by the environmental
agencies.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: The majority of the red was claimed?
MR. PASSARELLA: Yes. The red areas represent the ag fields that
are claimed as jurisdictional wetlands by the agencies.
The map itself shows what -- what I would consider extremely low
quality wetlands shown in red. The moderate quality wetlands shown in
yellow, those moderate quality wetlands, are the areas where we have
Melaleuca and Brazilian Pepper infestations occurring in the -- in the
wetland habitats.
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The green areas shown up in these areas here are the areas where
we have the higher quality wetlands where we don't have the Melaleuca
infestation, the Brazilian Pepper infestation.
If you look at the design of the golf course, what we did was we
focused the golf course within the areas of extremely low quality
wetlands as well as the upland areas to avoid wetland impacts.
And if you look at the golf course, you can see that the majority
of the golf course here is located within the existing pasture area,
and as we move over into this area, we utilize the upland area here
for golf course, and then we tried to connect up to the uplands on
around, and then the same over here.
What we did with the design of the golf course was stay out of
these green areas as much as possible, which are the -- the higher
quality wetlands on the property.
If you look -- take a look at the numbers, we have a total of
83.3 acres of wetland impacts. We have a total of 162 acres of
wetland preserve. So, we're preserving roughly 66 percent of the
wetlands.
But if you look at the actual wetland impacts and you break them
down by wetland type, roughly 69 or 70 percent of the wetland impacts
are associated with this ag field here.
So, if you take a look at the quality of the wetland impacts, 70
percent of the wetland impacts are associated with extremely low
quality type wetlands.
And then, conversely, if you look at what we're preserving, the
majority of what we're preserving is the high quality wetlands. We're
preserving 105 acres of the high quality wetlands on the site as well
as 59 acres of the Melaleucan infested wetlands, which we will be
cleaning up through an enhancement program such as exotic removal and
perp -- and maintenance and perpetuity of those areas.
So, as Rich mentioned earlier, the total preserve on the site is
176.9 acres or 56 percent of the site.
More importantly, if you look at the actual numbers there, that
75 percent of the existing native vegetation on the property will be
preserved as the result of this project.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That's not a thrilling thing because 75
percent of nothing is still -- I mean, you know, it's not a lot of
native vegetation on the site.
MR. PASSARELLA: Right.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Big deal.
MR. PASSARELLA: But what we will be doing is moving all the
exotics and -- and maintaining those areas for wildlife habitat. So,
that's -- that's one thing to keep in mind.
The other thing is part of this program, as Rich mentioned, that
we will be placing all wetland preserves in the preserve areas within
a conservation easement that will be a conservation easement in
perpetuity so that it has land that does not have to be purchased or
bought by the state, but will be set aside voluntarily as part of the
development of the property.
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The other thing I'd just like to mention quickly, and I'll turn
it over to Emilio Robau, is that the wildlife improvements that will
be made as a result of the removal of the exotics on the property.
So, again, these areas up in here where we have a lot of exotics
moving in and these areas over here, those areas the exotics will be
hand removed, the native vegetation allowed to grow, and we'll
maintain those in perpetuity.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Who has the maintenance south of that
obligation there?
MR. PASSARELLA: The property owner does.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So, the golf course will continue to
maintain the exotic infestation?
MR. PASSARELLA: As part of the permitting process with the South
Florida Water Management District and the U.S. Army Corps of
Engineers, we will be making that commitment. And we will be required
to make that commitment.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And would you say -- well, can you show me
where the berms are going to be? I'm worried about interconnected
waterflow. And I'm worried about wildlife corridors -- MR. PASSARELLA: Okay.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- whether or not you've created them or
diminished them.
MR. PASSARELLA: I'll take the second part of that question and
I'll leave the first part of that question to Emilio Robau, who's the
project engineer.
But with respect to wildlife corridors, the golf course itself
will not prevent the crossing of the property by any type of -- of
wildlife. Large mammals such as panthers and bears can still cross
this property after construction of the golf course.
There will be no lighting out in these areas that would do
anything to upset the patterns of any kind of wildlife that move
across that area.
There's not going to be any fencing that would prohibit large
mammals from crossing that property. So, as far as wildlife
corridors, the projects would not do anything to affect that issue.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And -- and from the birds and other
perspective, I can't see how there could be anything but positive
impact.
MR. PASSARELLA: Yeah. The one thing we will be doing with
respect to wading birds and stuff like that -- with wildlife such as
wading birds, is that one of the things that doesn't currently exist
on the property is open water habitat. One of the things we will be
creating are -- are lakes with literal shelves around them so there
will be additional wading areas or -- or feeding areas for wading
birds.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Thank you.
Other questions for this consultant?
No.
We'll hear from Emilio.
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MR. REISCHL: Madam Chairman, while Mr. Robau is coming up, the
chairman of EAC asked me to read into the record their reasons for
denial.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I was going to ask you to do that at some
point. Maybe you can go ahead now.
MR. REISCHL: Okay. They recommended denial based on that the
project is within the CARL acquisition area, that the lands -- that
the golf course is not compatible with the surrounding uses, that the
area is documented panther habitat and that the project access from
Sabal Palm Road, which was investigated by South Florida Water
Management District for alleged filling violations, is in question.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: In the -- in the future, could I ask, in
addition to giving us the staff report that goes to EAC, if you could
give us the reasons for their recommended denial or approval in the
staff report?
MR. REISCHL: Yes.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: That would be useful, too.
MR. REISCHL: That's in the executive summary.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: And I appreciate those as well but, I
mean, on the -- the issue of animal habitat and the panther and all
that was just answered, as far as CARL, again it's a willing seller
program, and to suggest that we're not going to allow them to use
their property even though they're not a willing seller, I think, is
akin to a taking. You can't tell somebody, well, we're not going to
buy it, but you can't use it.
So, I -- I don't know that I hear a reason in there that would be
upheld legally anyway. I understand the concerns, but I don't think
it would -- would hold up if someone were to pursue that.
MR. LORENZ: There was a six to three vote, so it wasn't
unanimous.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Yes, sir.
MR. ROBAU: Good afternoon. For the record, my name is Emilio
Robau and I'm representing the petitioner today. My firm is RWA, and
I'd like to really answer a couple of questions that, unfortunately
with the documentation we submitted, should have been answered and
haven't yet.
Number one is the -- really, the pass through of flow from north
to south on this property. I'm not -- to be honest with you, I'm not
giving anything up for the petitioner to tell you we have to do that
as part of South Florida Water Management District permitting anyways.
And I'd like to show you exactly where that's occurred and give
you a number of culverts that we would have to place. We'd put a
stipulation on -- on the approval to be sure that happens, but we're
going to have to do as far as South Florida Water Management
District's concerned anyways. I'll get to that in one minute.
The other thing is, is there's a misconception out here that
there's going to be a berm brutally placed across the wetlands at the
property line and that's not the case.
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Again, a reasonable design would not dictate that you have to do
that. And I'm going to use the pointer over here and show you where
the -- where these things are going to occur.
The majority --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Excuse me. We're going back to the -- go to
the camera, Katie.
MR. ROBAU: Excuse me. Sorry. There we go.
As Ken has indicated, we've gone through a great effort to avoid
and minimize the valuable wetland impacts that we have out here, and
-- and what we did is over here on this piece of the property here --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Uh-huh.
MR. ROBAU: -- is the majority of the impact.
On the north side of this, we are going to have a berm. We have
to isolate the golf course and potential pollutants and contaminants
that might get in the state waters and do some pretreatment prior to
discharge in the state waters.
But what we're not going to have is on this north side here,
we're not going to have a berm that completely isolates this entire
piece of property over here like this and like this. CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Where is it going to be?
MR. ROBAU: Where -- what we're going to do is we -- we have to
have a berm over here that really is on the perimeter of the developed
portion of the golf course. The impacted area, we have to have a berm
there. It has to detain the water. It has to do water quality
treatment.
And then what we're going to do, and this is what the stipulation
I'd indicated we'd be willing to agree to, is it should have been
shown on the drainage plans.
You have to have a culvert here, here, here and here to really
assure that the sheet flows that are coming from the north come
across, get into this wetland over here and then discharge to the
south, and it's really -- can easily be done with spreader swales and
a reasonably sized culvert.
The only reason we would place a berm on the north side, and I've
done that before in other projects, is because the district wants us
to do that in order to elevate the water tables in those preserves.
They get -- I don't think there's any indication they're going to
ask us to do that on this, but essentially what you're going to see is
you're going to see the developed portions of this course isolated by
a berm. It's not going to go on the property line severing this.
It's going to go around here.
We're going to do pretreatment and then we're going to discharge
into these preserve areas after we do the pretreatment. They can be
considered off-site from the water management standpoint.
And then we're going to go ahead and put the cross culverts in
here. This is part of the Water Management District permitting
requirement anyways, to just let the sheet flow come across from the
north, go through the internal parts of this project and then
discharge to the south.
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CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. It won't be a sheet flow at that
point, of course. It will be a point discharge that goes through the
culverts, so how is that addressed?
MR. ROBAU: What happens is you typically in these types of
systems, and this will be worked out in the permitting, you're
correct, it's -- it's sheet flow condensed to a point resheet flowed
it on -- on the downstream side of it.
So, what we'd likely have is a spreader swale in here directing
water to this point, go across and then in another spreader swale on
the south side here -- and these details have to be worked out in the
Water Management District permitting. They wouldn't just allow a -- a
culvert there. I mean, we'll have to have a spreader swale both
upstream and a spreader swale berm both downstream that tries to
emulate the natural sheet flow out here.
And water just doesn't get here very quickly. It gradually
builds, and so there -- it's not a situation where we have a torrent
of water coming down, so spreader swales, culvert spreader swales on
the upstream-downstream side usually work quite well.
So, I hope that it alleviates some of the concerns that we've had
from the adjacent property forestry service. I know some of the
people who have come in adversely here have had that concern and it's
not a brutal berm across the property lines. It's essentially
isolating our development, treating the water and allowing for a pass
through. And this will all be negotiated and finalized during the
Water Management District permitting.
With respect to Sabal Palm -- I'd like to switch. Would that
answer your concerns and questions --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: It answers mine.
MR. ROBAU: -- regarding that? Something that has to be done as
part of the Water Management District permitting.
With respect to the roadway itself, Mr. Sleeth, one of the
property owners, has taken some photographs.
And what I'd like to just show here is a couple of things. Sheet
flow is also concerned in traversing the road, just keeping on that
topic, as part of paving this existing road, which, by the way, is 35
feet wide or so, which is what you have lime rock out there right now.
We would -- we would reduce that with the 24 feet, standard paved
section, slotted shoulders, swale in the upstream side, swale in the
downstream side. This alleviates sediment transport.
Right now if it rains hard, you can get dirt, lime rock, fines to
go into the wetlands on the downstream side, so we're actually
improving the condition of water quality and we're going to have to do
water equipment treatment anyways.
And I would submit that the impervious surfaces with the
appropriate water quality treatment is a vast improvement over -- over
what we have here from the standpoint of just sediment transport.
When -- when it rains, the dirt goes downstream.
The other thing that I'd like to point out in this -- in this
photograph here is that the road is in fairly good shape. And it is
only a half a mile from -- this is about where our project entrance is
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to -- to over there, which -- which is essentially where the pavement
is, and now we can't -- don't get a good shot of that.
But you can see this isn't a hunting trail through the woods that
we're trying to improve. This is used by a lot of the existing
residents that are out to the east and it would benefit them. It
would also benefit the -- the agricultural operation across the street
that sells fresh fruit essentially.
So, you have a lot of traffic traversing this anyways in addition
to the seven hundred and some odd trips that we're going to produce
daily for the golf course. So, this is improving, I think
environmentally improving, a situation that's undesirable and giving
you a more safe access to a couple of, you know, uses that are out
there right now, the golf course, citrus field and whatever residents
are out there.
So, this is vastly different from what Collier County has tried
to do over the past, I don't know, ten years or so in trying to pave
6.75, I think, miles of -- of roadway out there. And the first half
mile of this, after the pavement is -- probably traverses some of the
more exotic polluted wetlands for -- for lack of a better term.
So, with that, I just wanted to iljustrate again the access
again. We are going to be putting culverts underneath this road,
which some of -- they're not. I've traveled this area quite a bit and
I've worked on a couple of projects in there and we're going to be
improving water quality from the standpoint of sediment transport.
Utilities, just to cover the whole gambit, we're going to produce
about 4500 gallons per day of sewage and water on the demand side, and
that's going to be treated in a septic system and a drainfield type
situation. It's not a huge flow. It really isn't in the scheme of
things. These are fairly low flows.
And the water, consumptive water use, we expect about 400,000
gallons per day, which is your typical golf course type of usage.
I'm sure that because of the way the district is right now, that
all conservation measures will be taken where appropriate. They make
you do that anyways. So, that's something that's going to occur on
the property.
And with that, I think I've covered just about everything that I
need to at this point and I'm open here for questions. Thank you very much.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I have a question for the lawyer about the
-- the EAC's. One of their reasons for recommendation is that there's
some illegal filling on the access road. I don't know what that issue
is or what its relevance is.
MR. YOVANOVICH: That's merely an allegation. I can --
commissioner, I -- I -- I have not researched that issue. Tim
Ferguson, who was involved in that issue, has provided an affidavit,
if you would like to see his affidavit, okay. But as far as that
goes, as far as I know, this road is permitable. We will have to meet
the Water Management District's requirements.
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CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And, so, whether it's been artificially
filled or not is something that you'll have to deal with the Water
Management District.
MR. ROBAU: We'll have to deal with the district at that point.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: And reality is that the Water Management
could turn this whole thing down --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Right.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: -- correct?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Absolutely.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I mean, that's not -- it's probably maybe
not reality, but there is that possibility that they could look at a
number of factors and say, you can't do this.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: The way they usually do that, the way they
usually accomplish that is more to say, you can do this, sure, if you
go buy five zillion other acres somewhere else for mitigation offsite,
and then it makes it economically impossible.
MR. ROBAU: Just for the record, Emilio Robau again.
You're absolutely correct. I -- I really could not find any
technical reason that they would deny our permit water quality, water
quantity, et cetera. We have the room and the right-of-way. We have
the room in the golf course development area. But you're -- you're
correct. It's the mitigation costs that -- that they lean on,
especially cumulative and, secondary, which are very, very, difficult
to quantify.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So, let's go to public speakers unless there
are other questions?
MR. FERNANDEZ: The first speaker is Nancy Payton and then
Kenneth Sleeth.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Who are the first two; Nancy Payton and --
MR. FERNANDEZ: Kenneth Sleeth.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And after that, how many?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Two more.
CHAIRWOMA~ MAC'KIE: Okay. Thank you.
Miss Payton, good afternoon.
MS. PAYTON: Good afternoon. Nancy Payton, representing the
Florida Wildlife Federation.
I have a prepared statement, but first I'd like to make some
comments on testimony that was just given.
Mr. Yovanovich implied that DCA had seen this particular golf
course proposal prior to June 22nd. You're shaking your head.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: See, I thought just the opposite. I thought
he made it perfectly clear that all DCA had done, which I appreciated
at the time, because he made it clear DCA hadn't seen this, they
haven't approved this project. They have merely approved the rules
under which it would be reviewed, I think, is what he said.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: That's what he said.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So, I respectfully --
MS. PAYTON: Thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- disagree.
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MS. PAYTON: Well, I tell you that I did send up his comments to
the Planning Commission. I went and got the -- the transcript where
he made similar statements and sent it to DCA's attorney, Shaw
Spiller, said, is this true. And Shaw Spiller's reply was, no, he had
not seen anything relating to this particular golf course and had seen
nothing until after June 22nd. So, whatever your point.
The March 19th settlement, there was no March 19th settlement,
and the four areas that DCA continued to have problems and were
evident in our final order, were wetland and wildlife issues plus
NRPA's in southern Golden Gate Estates.
And I also remind you that DCA rejected the Conservancy's 50
percent criteria under the same grounds that they rejected the 25
percent, whatever the percentage was, that the Rural Fringe committee
carried up to DCA, because there was not any data or analysis that
supported that percentage. It was arbitrary.
Then I'll go into my comments. Sabal Palm golf course is within
the Belle Meade-CARL acquisition area. Belle Meade is being purchased
for its hydrological values. It's being purchased to protect
populations of rare animals and to protect the quality of subtropical
estuary of the Rookery Bay National Estuarine Research Reserve.
And I'll submit into the record today a description out of the
1999 CARL annual report, also with the boundaries that show that this
is within the acquisition area. And it's true. It's a willing seller
program, but it is within the boundaries, and the book does say that
everything within the boundaries are essential parcels.
This particular proposal abuts to the north, to the east and the
south, Belle Meade lands now owned by the State of Florida.
This project is comprised of seven to eight percent South Florida
Water Management District jurisdictional wetlands, and it may be even
a higher percentage from the Army Corps.
A portion of this site was illegally cleared in 1992 and that is
where the red principally is. And the Environmental Protectional
Agency enforcement file number on that is 1992230828. Just
information for background.
This project, a portion of it, is located on priority one panther
habitat as designated in Florida Panther Habitat Preservation Plan,
and I'll submit that map for confirmation.
This proposal is located on Florida Panther Strategic Habitat as
designated in Closing the Gaps in Florida's Habitat Conservation
System -- System published by the Florida Fish and Wildlife
Conservation Commission, and I'll submit that as well.
It is accessed via an illegally filled and maintained road.
There are no state or federal permits for Sabal Palm Road beyond the
paved portion.
To quote, South Florida Water Management District representative
Karen Johnson's testimony on the October 13th, 1999 EAC meeting, and I
quote, Miss Payton is absolutely right. There are no permits for
Sabal Palm Road.
And I'll submit her complete testimony for the record.
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This proposed golf course violates Collier County's Growth
Management Plan. We're not here to talk about Water Management
District. We're here to talk about its consistency with Collier
County's Growth Management Plan.
It violates Future Land Use Element 5.4 that states that new
developments shall be compatible with and complimentary to surrounding
land uses.
This proposed golf course abutting public lands is not
compatible. There are issues of increased vehicular traffic, habitat
degradation, lighting, herbicides, pesticides, mosquito spraying,
conflicts with prescribed burning on public lands and hydrological
restoration. It violates Conservation and Coastal Management Element
Objective 2.2, Objective 2.3 and Policies 2.3.6 and 2.5. -- oh, boy --
that ensure water quality and protect coastal resources. If you could please give me a few more minutes?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, I'd like -- just if you'd quickly
summarize.
MS. PAYTON: Okay. I'll just give you the policies that it
violates.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, instead of just reading us those
numbers, you could submit the numbers for the record, and tell us in
general what you think the issues are.
MS. PAYTON: The issues are that this is a CARL area. It's
issues of wildlife, it's issues of wetlands, it's issues that this
county has to make assurances that this particular project is not
going to negatively impact public lands that abut it on three
different sides. They're issues that this county has not established
standards for water quality and wildlife protection, which our comp
plan requires, and you shouldn't be permitting projects until those
are done.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I have a question for you, Nancy, on my --
MS. PAYTON: And one other comment.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- list.
MS. PAYTON: I -- I would request that the Division of Forestry's
letter be read into the record today because it does make comments and
does raise concerns about the compatibility of this particular
project, and I'm disappointed that staff didn't do that because there
are some interesting comments in there for discussion.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Is it in our packet and I've missed it, Mr.
Reischl, the Division of Forestry letter? Is it in our packet?
MR. REISCHL: I received it -- I received it this morning.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Oh. Could you make copies available for us
or at least I'd like to see one and then, yes, it would be submitted
for the record.
MR. MANALICH: Madam Chairwoman, also for the record, Mr.
Fernandez' office received very recently a very short letter from a
property owner in the area. I would submit that if we're going to
consider one, we probably should also consider this.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Is it objecting or supporting?
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MR. MANALICH: It is saying that -- it's written by Richard
Knodel, spelled with a K, and Lisa Knodel. We are property owners on
Sabal Palm Road. We have no objection to the golf course. They're
unable to appear today.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And, so, we've generally heard what's in the
Division of Forestry and it will be in the record, but I'd like to see
it. And I'd -- may I ask a question?
MS. PAYTON: Certainly.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. When I look at the four reasons that
CARL -- I'm sorry -- that EAC recommends denial, first is that it's
within the CARL acquisition. That's real serious and even though it's
a willing seller program, it's very serious.
We cannot deny approval based on the fact that it's in CARL, but
we can require conditions to preserve the public interest, and that is
exactly the same as the second criterion that you keep raising, and
that is whether it's compatible with the area. MS. PAYTON: Uh-huh.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And then the third issue for me is whether
or not it is -- will negatively affect habitat, animal panther
habitat, for example.
From what their experts have told us, it's not going to
negatively affect panther habitat because panthers will traverse the
area, since there will be no fences, that since there will be the
swales and water quality and, blah, blah, culverts, that the waterflow
issues will likewise be enhanced instead of degraded. How is this --
tell me what part it is.
MS. PAYTON: We don't know that because all that's being left to
the Water Management's District, and what I'm saying is under our comp
plan, you have to have assurance under our comp plan that that's being
done. And it's not a leap of faith that that may be addressed.
Our comp plan has very specific standards about water quality and
animal protection, and you have to have assurances, not through the
permitting process, and that's what got the county into trouble with
DCA by saying we don't have to worry about our environment because we
leave it to the Army Corps of Engineers and the Water Management's
District.
And I'm here to say that you can't do that. That violates our
comp plan. And I started to go through the various policies and
objectives that -- that say that it's your responsibility, not the
Water Management Districts'
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I've got a question.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Nancy, sometimes I'm -- I'm kind of
slow on this stuff. Explain to me how you envision this harming
wildlife in the area. We heard the one gentleman describing why it
wouldn't. Can you tell me specifically why it would harm wildlife in
the area?
MS. PAYTON: This is an area that's being purchased by the State
of Florida, which has been identified by the State of Florida as being
environmentally sensitive. There is -- this is a golf course that's
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going to have pesticides, herbicides on it. There's going to be
issues of vehicular traffic. We hear there's going to be 700 cars a
day coming in there.
There are going to be issues of herbicides, pesticides. There
are going to be issues that people are going to want mosquito
spraying, because remember that this is an area that's being purchased
for its hydrological value to enhance sheet flow, which means that
there may be mosquitos there.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Sort of naturally mosquito habitat.
MS. PAYTON: Right.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: But wait a minute. It's out -- is it
outside the mosquito control district?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Today.
MS. PAYTON: Yes, but they may be applying and that's happened in
other --
COMMISSIONER BERRY: They can apply but the mosquito control
district can --
MS. PAYTON: No.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: You know --
MS. PAYTON: I -- I -- they themselves can --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: One at a time, please.
MS. PAYTON: They themselves can do certain types of spraying,
but it's going to be issues of compatible use, and people on that golf
course are going to be wanting to be out there in comfort.
There's also issues that prescribe burning as one of the
management techniques for managing Picayune Strand, the Belle Meade.
And there potentially is a conflict with people who want to tee off at
eight o'clock in the morning and there is a prescribed burn on public
lands.
And the Growth Management Plan says that you have to protect
those and you have to protect --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: So, what are you suggesting, that
golfers would overrule the state on that? I mean, so the golfers are
inconvenienced at eight a.m. if it's smokey out there. That doesn't
make sense.
Let me ask you a follow-up question, and that is if herbicides
and pesticides are the concern, I would assume you'd think any
agricultural use is inappropriate as well.
MS. PAYTON: Certain types of agriculture, yes, would be
inappropriate in this particular area.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: So, short of leaving the property
untouched, what would be an appropriate use in your mind?
MS. PAYTON: I don't have to present appropriate use. I'm here
to comment on what's been proposed today --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: You don't have to --
MS. PAYTON: -- which is the golf course.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- but I'm just asking to be
reasonable and rational, we're saying, well, a golf course isn't
compatible even though bunnies and bugs can run across that golf
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course, and that farm wouldn't be appropriate. It's not an unfair
question to say, well, what would be?
MS. PAYTON: Well, this is swamp land, you have to remember.
There are not a lot of good uses for swamp land and that's one of the
major reasons why the State of Florida has identified this area as
needing to be purchased.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: So, you really can't think of anything
other than a natural preserve that you think would be appropriate for
MS. PAYTON: That's our ideal option. Yes, that would be --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Okay.
MS. PAYTON: -- number one on the list that --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Just so I'm clear --
MS. PAYTON: -- that is purchased by the state.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- a private property owner should not
have the use of their own land for anything other than --
MS. PAYTON: It doesn't say they can't have use. He -- he's
currently using part -- a portion of this for grazing purposes on
certain type of property.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Well, that raises an interesting question.
How many cattle are on the -- on the area that's being grazed? And
Barbara can better attest to this than I can, but cows are pretty good
polluters based on what each one does each day. CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: So, I think what's the trade off between --
MS. PAYTON: Well, we --
COMMISSIONER CARTER: -- manure and fertilizer --
MS. PAYTON: -- we did --
COMMISSIONER CARTER: -- for a golf course?
MS. PAYTON: Yes, there are --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Well, they've got to be pretty good
swimmers, too --
MS. PAYTON: -- issues there as well.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- if that is what we're being told.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
Okay. Any other --
Well, I have one.
-- questions for Miss Payton --
Yeah, I do.
-- if she's willing to answer them.
If she's willing to answer them.
I'm sure
she would be. She's always been quite willing to cooperate.
We had several expert witnesses up before you that -- that have
background in -- at least one of them is -- his credentials and
background are in education, in environmental services, who disagrees
with your positions.
MS. PAYTON: Uh-huh.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: And I just wondered if you -- have you
established yourself as an environmental expert? Do you have the
credentials, the education and background to -- to be able to call
yourself an expert witness?
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MS. PAYTON: I never called myself an expert witness. What I am
is I am a lobbyist. I am hired to represent a position of the Florida
Wildlife Federation, and this position is developed in cooperation
with folks that have legal backgrounds and -- and biological
backgrounds and appropriate backgrounds to properly develop our
position.
And I remind you, those are the same people that we had when we
went for the DCA challenge and our experts prevailed on all 16 issues.
So, I think that they do have credibility in a forum. I don't, but I
am not hired as a biologist. I'm here to represent a particular
position.
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
Then I --
Well said.
Madam Chairwoman?
Yes.
I think that perhaps I would like to have my
opinion conveyed back to your leaders, whoever they may be, that if
this is a vital piece of property for them, that I would suggest that
they come forth and purchase this property for the price that it's
worth.
I'm tired of -- Nancy, frankly, I'm getting a little weary of
every time something comes up, it's the same thing, and you're hanging
your hat on every issue now that comes before us about your success at
DCA. I'm getting a little weary of that argument. It's going to wear
real thin real quick.
And you go back and you tell your friends up there, and I'm not
opposed to this. First off, I'm 100 percent in favor of wildlife. I
think it's great, and I'm all for the conservation of wildlife and
doing all those kinds of things, but you go back and you tell them, if
this is so important, to get themselves down here and fork out the
money and pay this man for this piece of property. And I frankly
don't care what you do with it.
MS. PAYTON: I'll be happy to consult the state.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Please do --
MS. PAYTON: Yes.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: And pay them what the property is worth as
its best and highest use.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay.
MS. PAYTON: And, remember, we were involved in getting 25
million for southern Golden Gate Estates, so maybe we can --
COMMISSIONER BERRY: And you really paid the people out there
well.
MS. PAYTON: They're selling.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Just a moment, because the court reporter
can't -- can't do it when we're all talking at once. Commissioner Constantine's questions.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: A couple of follow-up questions. You
mentioned you've got a whole team of experts that work on this. How
often have you met on this particular item? How often have you sat
down with that team of experts --
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MS. PAYTON: Well --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- and reviewed this particular item?
MS. PAYTON: -- as early -- as -- as recently as this morning.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: How often, not when?
MS. PAYTON: How often? I would say we've had -- I don't -- you
know, I'm getting offended by this because it's cross-examination.
I presented our position and you may accept it, you may deny it,
but to -- to once again delve into the operations of Florida Wildlife
Federation because you don't particularly like the positions we take
and the options that we choose to advocate our positions and to reach
our goals, Madam Chair, I would ask that --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: No. If -- if --
MS. PAYTON: I don't see how this --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Let me respond, because it's fine if
you take offense. I apologize for that, however -- MS. PAYTON: Accepted.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- it's important that the public know
who is making these complaints, whether any of them live in Collier
County, whether they spend any time talking about a specific project
or whether they are simply objecting to everything.
MS. PAYTON: Let me remind you that --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: That would be the information for the
public to know as well as --
MS. PAYTON: -- this office was set --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- for this decision making board to
know.
MS. PAYTON: -- up at the request and is funded by Citizens of
Collier County. It was Citizens of Collier County that said to
Florida Wildlife, please come to Naples, establish an office, we will
fund it, we will underwrite it to do exactly what Florida Wildlife has
done for the last five years.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I am going --
MS. PAYTON: So, it is citizens of this county that support what
I do. And I think the fact that we are here, we're advancing, we're
surviving is testament that there is a portion of the community that
agrees with what we do.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And, Nancy, the reason -- the reason that I
-- when John wanted to ask additional questions, that I said if you
were willing to answer them, because I do think we're reaching a point
where you could either agree to continue to answer questions or you
might find it inappropriate, and I would want to defer to your right
to leave the podium and not answer those questions because it's not
appropriate to cross-examine.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I think it's perfectly fair to inquire
from where an opinion is coming. If it's being represented as a
particular group, and that they have some particular expertise, we
have every right to inquire about that group and that expertise.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: But we have before.
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that.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: There's nothing out of line about
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: No, but, Tim, we have.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: And we haven't had good answers before
I
either. I don't know how many members there are in Collier County.
don't know how often you met on this or any other --
MS. PAYTON: We're the only organization that I've seen that
you've ever asked that --
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Oh, no.
MS. PAYTON: -- and continue to ask who we are, how we operate.
I'm not going to answer it because I think it's an inappropriate
question.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I bet there's another reason why
you're not going to answer it.
CHAIRWOM3LN MAC'KIE: Thank you. Thank you.
Our next speaker?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Kenneth Sleeth and then Janus Szcilinski.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: While Mr. Sleeth is coming up, I -- I was
just scanning this letter that we were recently handed from the state
force. I want to point out a couple of things in this.
I mean, can this -- this has no credibility. Listen to what they
say here. It says, with the exception of Sabal Palm Road, which I
have been told has been filled and widened in the past without a
permit, the 25-foot berm around the perimeter would disrupt the sheet
flow to the surrounding areas.
Well, we were told that the 25 -- there is no berm around the
perimeter of the property. And then -- then it goes on to talk about
red cockaded pecker woods and it says that -- that the pines cannot
tolerate high water levels, the pines that they live in, and this
could result -- could result in killing the cavity trees. If this
happens, the pecker woods will probably perish.
Well, you know, is this supposed to be an official statement
document? I mean, give me a break here. Now, this is just -- that's
so silly --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I'm reasonably sure --
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: -- to look at the -- towards the -- even
look at something like that.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: No, it's -- I agree with Commissioner
Norris that this letter just makes a lot of statements that are not
backed up by any fact or anything I've heard here this afternoon, so I
would suggest before they write these letters, they might investigate
it a little more thoroughly before putting this type of information
out.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Our next speaker?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: It just sounds like --
MR. FERNANDEZ: Kenneth Sleeth.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: It just sounds like they got a lot of
misinformation and reacted to that information in this letter, because
the basic premise is not there.
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COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Somebody might have typed the letter
for you.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Is Ken Sleeth in the house?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: He's here. He's getting set up.
Please speak from whichever podium you'd prefer, sir.
MR. SLEETH: Good afternoon, commissioners, Madam Chairman. My
name is Kenneth Sleeth for the record. And I am one of the property
owners out there on Sabal Palm Road.
I'd like to just, first of all, say this, that across the road
from us is the -- is the -- is the grove and it runs the entire length
of the -- of this property that's -- that's being considered today.
That -- they made the mention of the fact was that the pesticide
and the spraying stuff, they've got -- there's a grove across the road
and it is sprayed continuously as you know in a -- in a fruit
operating business. You have to make sure the fruit is well taken
care of.
So, therefore, there's spraying already out there, and in the
event that there is any -- any serious damage to the wildlife and
something, it's already in existence in taking care there.
Coming out that road, all -- on both sides of the road, the first
mile is already paved, and after that you start going out and on the
-- on the -- on the south side, you have an area that belongs to Lely,
which they're hoping eventually may be developed into -- into a part
of a -- part of their development in relation to the -- growing their
trees and things like that.
And then next to that is -- is the orange grove which runs out
all past the entire property. Just beside the orange grove is -- is a
gentleman that owns 40 acres and a home there and he raises dogs. So,
that's covering the whole south side of the entire property that we're
talking here about today.
On the north side, as you come off it, just as soon as you come
off the pavement, you have a -- you have a Haitian church, which is
being developed, and then you have a lane going up where there's
approximately nine to ten homes that are all up there, and they're all
facing east, and then this property comes there.
So, you go out beyond that, so we're really not in there, but I
would like to -- I would like to say this, that, as you -- we're
talking about the maintenance of the road. The first mile that's
under the pavement, the culvert under there, there's one culvert
between 951 and the end of the pavement.
Immediately that you leave the pavement, there is a -- there is
four -- four 24-inch culverts going underneath there, and there's --
there's -- there's four 36-inch culverts, which in turn are under
Sabal Palm Road. And those -- two of those are down just at the grove
and the other one is down just at the -- at the entrance into my
property.
So, there's adequate circulation of the water. There's no water
being obstructed from -- from the street -- sheet flow across the
property, in no way.
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As you -- if you ran across these -- I'd like to hear where we
have this here. Oh, we have -- if you see the different ones there,
if you're looking east and west on that road, that road is awfully dry
and then you're looking in -- looking in here.
I don't know whether you're looking in there or not, but this is
-- this is my property there. So, I'll tell you there's -- there's
very little water on there and I -- and I -- I -- we've got cattle
out there as you -- as you notice in these pictures here, if you could
maybe move those up a little bit there, that this is pretty nice land.
My wife and I -- my wife and I take care of this land. We're
very good stewards of the lands and we maintain it. And all this
exotic stuff that you're talking here on the other pieces is being
taken care of twice a year.
My wife and I run -- she runs on the tractor. We show that here.
My wife's on the tractor. She's cutting and I'm out there in the
field with my -- with my weed whacker making sure there's no exotics
growing around any of those trees.
So, my entire 85 acres is covered entirely with good fertile land
and I maintain that.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Could I ask a question about these?
MR. SLEETH: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: It looks in every single one of the
pictures you've shown us those are pine trees all over the place. MR. SLEETH: There is pine trees.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Because I'm just reading this letter
from Bob Crawford where it says, pines cannot tolerate high water
levels for an extended period and could result in killing them.
MR. SLEETH: Well, these are all very good pine trees and, in
fact, as we're talking about the -- the woodpeckers in all those
areas, I'm sure that if they stopped by, they can have a convention.
There's enough pine trees to take care of them all.
But we do take care of this, my wife and I, and we -- we would
appreciate very much your support on this -- on this part of the
project.
Just about all this project that he's speaking about here is
where the main golf course is going to be is -- is -- is on -- on my
property there. And we're very good stewards. We allow no hunting on
our land. We're very -- we're very conscious about who is on there
and this is -- this is part of our -- our future, my wife and I.
We in turn hope that this will be part of the way we have -- you
people have bonds and all those other things. My wife and I utilize
land as our -- as our future. And I would hope that you would give us
serious consideration in this.
And I thank you very much for appearing before you. And I hope
that these pictures weren't offensive in any way.
Thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: No. Quite helpful. Thank you.
MR. FERNANDEZ: The next speaker is Janus Szcilinski and then
John Quatrapo.
MR. SZCILINSKI: You have some --
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CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: No, sir. I'm sorry. We need you to get on
the microphone.
MR. SZCILINSKI: My name is John Szcilinski and I'm the owner of
part of the land that's being developed or proposed developed for the
golf course. And my wife is with me and we are for the course. And
since my -- Mr. Sleeth spoke so eloquently, I really have nothing else
to add.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you.
MR. SZCILINSKI: Because I'm in the same area as he, so -- of the
land, so nothing more to add.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you very much.
MR. SZCILINSKI: Thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Our next speaker?
MR. FERNANDEZ: John Quatrapo?
MR. QUATRAPO: I decline. Thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: He's declined and waived his right to speak.
Thank you, sir.
MR. FERNANDEZ: That's your final speaker.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Then we'll close the public hearing.
MR. REISCHL: Madam Chair, before you do, if I could just put on
the record our -- our position on consistency with the Growth
Management Plan just for the record?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: You should, yes.
MR. REISCHL: Okay. The Land Development Code says that a golf
course is a conditional use in the ag district and, therefore, if this
board decides that it meets the criteria, then it would be consistent
with the Growth Management Plan.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Then I'll close the public hearinH.
Is there a motion?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I think we probably ought to wait
until Commissioner Carter finishes his trip to the little boy's room.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Oh, you're afraid you don't have the votes
without him? No, I'm just kidding.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: No. He sat through 90 minutes. He
probably ouHht to participate.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, we can Ho ahead and have a motion if
anybody wanted to make it.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I'll make a motion to approve the
item.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I'll second that with the -- well, I'll
second it. I was just going to add with the stipulation, which I
think is already in there anyway, regarding the Sabal Palm Road
improvements and those kind of things.
Do you agree with that --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Yeah. Absolutely.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: -- motion maker?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I've got a -- I would tell you that I'm
going to support the motion, but with really a whole lot of
trepidation because I think Miss Payton makes a real good point about
that we have deferred this question of whether or not it's compatible
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to the -- to the state and the feds in that that is questionable
whether or not we should do that.
But when I look at this purely as it's a conditional use, does it
meet the criteria, I think that it does meet the criteria, but only
because of the conditions that were described by the two experts here
today where the berming will be mitigated by the culverts and the
spreaders, and whereby there is no fencing that would interfere with
the habitat wanderings of panthers and bears and other mammals, and
that that -- that access question about the road and whether or not it
was permitted is something that's outside of the purview of this
board, so --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I need to make one tiny amendment to
my motion, and that is to include recognition of those two gentlemen
as experts, and also just a comment, and that is, you know, the irony
for me is one of the only places I see wildlife, whether that's deer
or fox or other things, is when I'm on the golf course.
And to suggest that this is not compatible because, you know, a
deer doesn't putt or chip, you know, I think is silly. They're still
going to run around out there. This is in no way going to harm them.
As a matter of fact, from what they're suggesting they're going to do
for improvements, it should create a better situation.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And I've got to just follow that by saying I
bet that it's been awhile -- I bet you spend more time on a golf
course than you do on a swamp buggy or at the CARL property and
otherwise, and just because that's where you see wildlife doesn't mean
that that's where wildlife are happiest being. Okay?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: And I'm not suggesting that they're
unhappy out in the swamp. I'm sure the deer love swimming out there,
but --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Not that deep.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- but they -- you know, to suggest
that this is somehow incompatible, I think, is silly. CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yeah. Okay.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: They have to be protected out there because
nobody's going to hunt them on the golf course. CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: There you go.
The stipulations that the experts made here regarding the water
flows and the fencing, I hope, would be included in your motion.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Oh, absolutely. And -- and --
COMMISSIONER BERRY: And I'm seconding that.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Is there any further discussion?
If not, all in favor, please say aye.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Aye.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Aye.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Aye.
Opposed?
That passes unanimously.
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RESOLUTION 99- 419
A RESOLUTION PROVIDING FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT
OF A GOLF COURSE CONDITIONAL USE "17" IN THE "A"
RURAL AGRICULTURE ZONING DISTRICT PURSUANT
TO SECTION 2.2.2.3. OF THE COLLIER COUNTY LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED IN
SECTION 24, TOWNSHIP 50 SOUTH, RANGE 26 EAST,
AND IN SECTION 19, TOWNSHIP 50 SOUTH, RANGE 27
EAST, COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA.
WHEREAS, the Legislature of the State of Florida in Chapter 67-1246, Laws of Florida, and
Chapter 125, Florida Statutes, has conferred on Collier County the power to establish, coordinate and
enforce zoning and such business regulations as are necessary for the protection of the public; and
WHEREAS, the County pursuant thereto has adopted a Land Development Code (Ordinance
No. 91-102) which includes a Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance establishing regulations for the
zoning of particular geographic divisions of the County, among which is the granting of Conditional
Uses; and
WHEREAS, the Collier County Planning Commission, being the duly appointed and
constituted planning board for the area hereby affected, has held a public heating after notice as in said
regulations made and provided, and has considered the advisability of Conditional Use "17" of Section
2.2.2.3. in an "A" Rural Agricultural Zone for a golf course on the property hereinafter described, and
has found as a matter of fact (Exhibit "A") that satisfactory provision and arrangement have been made
concerning all applicable matters required by said regulations and in accordance with Subsection
2.7.4.4 of the Land Development Code for the Collier County Planning Commission; and
WHEREAS, all interested parties have been given opportunity to be heard by this Board in a
public meeting assembled and the Board having considered all matters presented.
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, BY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS of
Collier County, Florida that:
The petition filed by Emilio J. Robau, P.E. of RWA, Inc. representing Jassy Real Estate
Investments, Inc., with respect to the property hereinafter described as:
Exhibit "B" which is attached hereto and incomorated by reference herein
1. Pursuant to Section 2.2.25.8.1 of the Land Development Code, if, during the
course of site clearing, excavation or other construction activity, an historic or
archaeological artifact is found, all development within the minimum area necessary
to protect the discovery shall be immediately stopped and the Collier County Code
Enforcement Department shall be contacted.
2. An appropriate portion of native vegetation shall be retained on site as required by
Section 3.9.5.5.4 of the Collier County Land Development Code.
3. Prior to the issuance of a Certificate of Occupancy, the portion of Sabal Palm Road
from the end of the County right-of-way to the entrance to the subject site shall be
constructed to meet County standards.
4. Prior to approval, the Site Development Plan or construction plans for the golf
course shall indicate culverts and spreader swales to restore pre-development sheet
flow to the greatest extent possible.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that this Resolution be recorded in the minutes of this Board.
This Resolution adopted after motion, second and majority vote.
Done this (:~ ~/~ day of ~/~ ~,~*g~.~, 1999.
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
Attest as to Chatr'~n's
s tgn~_ture on15.
AT3EST.:,.
'.-DWIG!TI. T'E. BROCK, Clerk
Approved as to Form and
Legal Sufficiency:
Maml'US. Scuderi ~
Assistant County Attorney
g/admin/sue/CU-99-08/RESOLUTION
FINDING OF FACT
BY
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
FOR
A CONDITIONAL USE PETITION
FOR
CU-99-08
The following facts are found:
Section 2.2.2.3.17 of the Land Development Code authorized
the conditional use.
Granting the conditional use will not adversely affect the
public interest and will not adversely affect other property
or uses in the same district or neighborhood because of:
ao
o
C o
Consistency with the Land Development Code and Growth
Management ~~
Yes ~) No
Ingress and egress to property and proposed structures
thereon with particular reference to automotive and
pedestrian safety and convenience, traffic flow and
control, and ac.c~s~_~ case of fire or catastrophe:
Adequa~-~gr~s~& egress
s
Affects neighboring properties in relation to noise,
g~.~c or odor effects:
(xi No affedt or Affect mitigated by
~-------~-~'fect cannot be mitigated
Do
Compatibility with adjacent properties and other
property in the dist~ic~:
Compatibleu ~.~. wi~.-in~ district
.... No
Based on the above findings, this conditional use should, with
stipulations, (copy attached) (should not) be recommended for
approval ~. ~;~ ~,.~ .
f/FINDING OF FACT CHAIRMAN/CU-99-08
___ EXHIBIT "A"
LEGAL DESCRIPTION
CU-99-08
DESCRIPTION:
(AS SUPPLIED BY CLIENT)
SW 1/4 OF SECTION 19, TOWNSHIP 50 SOUTH, RAKIGE 27 EAST, COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
AND ALSO:
SE 1/4 OF SECTION 24. TOWNSHIP .50 SOUTH, RANGE 26 EAST. COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
LESS:
NW 1/4. OF THF. SE' 1/4 OF SECTION 24. TOWNSHIP 50 SOUTH, RANGE 26 EAST. COLUER COUNTY. FLOR)DA
EXHIBIT "B"
/
/
Exhibit
November 9, 1999
Continuation of Item #12B2
PETITION PUD-99-12, MR. MICHAEL R. FERNANDEZ OF PLANNING DEVELOPMENT,
INC., REPRESENTING MARIAN H. GERACE, TRUSTEE, REQUESTING A REZONE TO
BE KNOWN AS BANYAN WOODS PUD - WITHDRAWN AT THE REQUEST OF THE
PETITIONER
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Do you want to wrap up that other one?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Let's go back, if someone would make a
motion to remove the prior item from the table?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: So moved.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: So moved.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: All in favor, please say aye.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Aye.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Aye.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Aye.
Opposed?
Passes unanimously.
Could we hear from --
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: A motion and a second on the floor.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: We do have a motion and a second on the
floor.
Mr. Passidomo, did you want to leave the application pending or
have you something else? We'll reopen the public hearing for that.
MR. PASSIDOMO: We respectfully request that it would be
withdrawn.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Totally withdrawn?
MR. PASSIDOMO: Sir?
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Totally withdrawn?
MR. PASSIDOMO: Yes, sir. And I apologize for the nature and the
extent that representation was made. It was unbeknownst to me, in
fact, that we're looking for an opportunity to explore the viability
of it.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I knew that was the case as soon as I saw
that easement and saw that the names were the same. I thought, uh-uh,
John didn't know that because he could work on it. So, we appreciate
that you will and trust that we know you didn't know.
MR. PASSIDOMO: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Thanks.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So, that item is withdrawn, and we can move
on to --
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: We should have a motion to make him
withdraw his motion just for --
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Sure. If you need that, I'll withdraw
the motion.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Consider it withdrawn.
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Item #13A2
RESOLUTION 99-420, RE PETITION CU-99-16, R. BRUCE ANDERSON,
REPRESENTING SR 846 LAND TRUST, REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL
USE FOR AN EARTH MINING ACTIVITY ON A PARCEL OF LAND ZONED
AGRICULTURAL LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF IHMOKALEE ROAD APPROXIMATELY
1.5 MILES NORTH OF THE COUNTY FAIR GROUNDS, CONSISTING OF 2,564 ACRES
- ADOPTED
The last item is Bruce Anderson on earth mining on the west side
of Immokalee Road.
Will all persons wishing to be heard on this item, please stand
and raise your right hand and be sworn by the court reporter?
(Ail witnesses were first duly sworn by the court reporter.)
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I have to disclose that I have met with Mr.
Anderson and another representatives of the petitioner.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: As I have.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: As have I.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I had a very brief conversation with
him on this.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER BERRY:
As have I.
Okay. Do we need --
And people on the other side of the issue of
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Having -- I had not done that.
Dr. Badamtchian.
DR. BADAMTCHIAN: Good afternoon, commissioners. Chahram
Badamtchian from Planning Services staff.
This is a conditional use for earth mining activities to be
located one and a half miles north of the county fair grounds. The
site consists of 2564 acres, about four square miles. They are
proposing to excavate 553 acres of it. They will not go more than 20
feet deep, no blasting is required. It's just they're removing sand
and they are only going to excavate 25 -- less than 25 percent of the
site.
And the area that they are going to excavate is pasture land and
farmland. They will not be required to remove vegetation to do that.
Very few -- little clearing is required.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: The staff's recommendation was to approve,
all the Planning Commission was approval?
DR. BADAMTCHIAN: Unanimous approval and EAC has recommended
eight-one for approval.
Staff received a letter of objection, which is attached to --
staff -- to the executive summary. However, yesterday in the
afternoon I was faxed a letter of no objection from the same gentleman
saying that he is satisfied with this petition and he's withdrawing
his objection.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And maybe I missed it, but I see Planning
Commission's recommendation, but I don't see the EAC recommendation.
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Could you tell us what -- it's eight to one -- what the reason was for
the one dissenter?
DR. BADAMTCHIAN: The reason was that they were worried about the
dust and the neighboring properties that they will suffer this dust
for -- and noise for the next 20 years. However, the closest the
earth mining is going to come to the property line is 900 feet.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: 900 feet?
DR. BADAMTCHIAN: 900 feet. That's the closest they come to the
property line.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Any other questions for staff?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: No, but I will -- I will just make a
comment, that I'm not going to support this petition, and the reason
I'm not supporting it is because of the Immokalee Road condition and
the amount of truck traffic on that roadway under the current
condition.
This is no surprise. I have spoken to the petitioner about it,
and I just feel that, you know, it's too bad that -- I have nothing
against the project as far as the conditional use of the land. I -~ I
think that's -- you know, it's perfectly within the rights and the
rules and the regulations, but I -- I do have some concern about the
amount of traffic on the road as it currently stands. CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yes, commissioner.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I am going to support it. I
understand the concern and I don't think there's any road in need of
attention any more than Immokalee Road. We've all said that.
I'm going to support the item because we've been through on a
couple of different locations in the county in the last five years on
earth mining operations, have turned at least one of those down -- I
think two of those down for a variety of reasons.
And this seems like, when I think back on all those reasons and
we sort out all that went with that, if not here, then where in the
county is appropriate, and that's just -- if we're going to allow
earth mining anywhere, it seems like that's the most logical place.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: That's the problem, commissioner, that I
had, because I see there -- there obviously is a need for this kind of
thing or it wouldn't be -- it wouldn't be the thing to do at this
point in time, but my concern is -- is just the roadway to and from.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Can we hear from the petitioner and
from speakers?
MR. ANDERSON: Good evening, Madam Chairwoman, commissioners.
For the record, my name is Bruce Anderson from Young, van
Assenderp, Varnadoe and Anderson representing SR846 land trust.
I'd like to introduce the trust representative here, Don Barber,
and the project team members, who are here to testify and answer any
questions you may have; engineer, David Wilkerson, transportation
engineer, Steve Lang, land use planner, Bruce Ciliano (phonetic), and
ecologist, Ken Passarella.
We are in agreement with the conditions listed and the conditions
of approval. I would point out that this land is in the rural fringe
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and it is for one of the few land uses that are still allowed in the
agricultural rural area under the state imposed moratorium.
I'd also point out that the agricultural and conservation zoning
districts are the only zoning districts in Collier County that allow
for earth mining and that by virtue of these two factors there's a
presumption in favor of earth mining on lands such as this.
I would also point out that unlike other land uses, earth mining
is not a use that can be located just anywhere. You can only dig
where mother nature saw fit to locate the natural resources.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Mr. Anderson, considering the hour --
MR. ANDERSON: Yes, ma'am.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- would you mind if the board just asked
you questions --
MR. ANDERSON: That's fine.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: -- and call on your team for questions?
MR. ANDERSON: Sure.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Are there any?
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Well, the only questions I've raised,
Bruce, and I think you've answered them for me, is, if I didn't permit
it here, would it stop truck traffic in Collier County bringing in
fill, and the answer to that has been no. MR. ANDERSON: No.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: The fill is going to continue to come here,
is still going to be transporting our highways and perhaps what this
is, is an economic benefit is here, if they get their fuel here, at
least we get some gas tax benefit from them other than coming in from
-- from -- from Lee County.
I am concerned about the two schools on that road and the hours
of operation, and I wish there was a way that between the prime times
of the schools in the morning and the afternoon that I could eliminate
16 wheelers on Immokalee Road, but I can't do that, Bruce. I don't
know how to do that. If there was a way to do this better, I would
say do it, but I -- I guess I'm at this point. I don't know how to
deal with it any differently.
And if there's something that you know that I don't know that we
can keep some of the traffic off Immokalee, I'm all ears.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Could I ask that we hear from public
speakers who have been here, not members of your team, at this point,
and I'll promise to let you come back if there are issues that are
raised?
MR. ANDERSON: Certainly. Certainly. Thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Two speakers; Laurie Shaw and Richard Babb.
MS. SHAW: Hi. I'm Laurie Shaw. It's been a long day.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you for your patience.
MS. SHAW: I don't know how you guys do it.
Of course, I object to this because my home is adjacent to the
proposed strip mining operation, very close to it. 900 feet doesn't
sound like a great distance. It sounds like a great distance but it
is not. It really isn't.
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When you stand in my yard and you look at where the island is,
it's not very far. It's all open spaces out there. Even in -- in the
wintertime, it's dry, windy conditions and we do get a lot of dust
just circulating, little odd dust storms and little twisters out there
on a normal winter afternoon. You know what -- what -- what this is
going to start -- create.
I don't know what it's going to be like living next to it for the
next 20 years. What I can probably guarantee myself is that if I
don't like it in another couple years from now, I'm going to have a
heck of a time trying to sell my house and move someplace else. Now -- wait. Wait.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Uh-huh. There's a microphone there. Yeah.
MS. SHAW: Okay. My house is right here. They're going to start
back here and work their way forward, trucks back and forth for the
next 20 years.
There are homesites. This is my home, but there are homesites
all around. Mine is not the only one. And not only that, but there
have been homesites just since this -- the petition has come out, and
since we got the notification, and I have to tell you I was very
upset. I'm still upset. But now I'm more tired than upset.
But -- but since that time, there have been a lot more homes
going up and people aren't even aware of this, you know. So, there
are a lot still being built around that area but, God help me if I
decide I want to move someplace that's a little quieter and I want to
move and sell my house. I don't know if I'll be able to do it.
Another thing -- hold on -- the berms that they have showed me
that they would put up facing my house and facing another person's
house, I don't know if that's going to help keep out the dust. Only
time will tell that, but I know it ain't going to keep down the noise
because I was standing in my front yard this morning, waiting for my
neighbor, Dick Babb, to pick me up, and I was watching the trucks go
back and forth, and sound carries over those wide open spaces, believe
me. That's my own personal viewpoint.
Now, I have to tell you about Immokalee Road, because I now have
to leave my home 20 minutes earlier each day because of the dump truck
traffic. That in and of itself I can deal with, but you know what
it's been like lately at seven a.m. when I -- when I'm approaching G's
store?
Between Oil Well Road and 951, it has been -- I'm not lying --
bumper to bumper, bumper to bumper, an eight-mile stretch because of
these trucks. We need less trucks, not more trucks, less trucks. We
need -- something has to be done with their hours. They don't even
give us any rest on a Saturday, you know. I mean, they're up there on
Saturday morning and they're back and forth. Less trucks, not more
trucks, please.
I, myself, in the last two weeks -- I travel Immokalee Road twice
a day. I, myself, have witnessed the aftermath of two dump truck
accidents in the last two weeks, so I don't know how many accidents
occur that I'm not even aware of. These are just the accidents that I
have seen occur.
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I know the -- there are a lot of -- I'm sure there are a lot of
good dump truck drivers, but there are a lot of reckless drivers out
there. I have seen them sandwich little subcompact cars and, you
know, and you can't get a license plate number off of these guys
because the license plates are so covered in filth, you can't read
them, so who are you going to call and complain to? You can't. It's
a mess out there.
You know, Immokalee Road out there is already feeling the
washboard effect when you're going to eastbound to westbound.
And it was, oh, so nice. It was recently paved, part of it, and
already the recently paved part, you know, from the full trucks you
get the washboard, and I hate to see what it's going to be like over
the next, however, one, two, five, ten, 20 years.
But, you know, the school thing, too. You know, I mean, all it
takes is one school bus to get crashed, you know, and how are you guys
going to feel? You know, just one -- one school bus-dump truck
accident and, you know, I would imagine that there would be some young
casualties, but, I mean, I can't -- I can see it as being negligible.
Wow! These things get shorter in between as the day goes by.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: No, but that's a great idea.
MS. SHAW: Yeah. Yeah. Thank you very much for listening to me.
Please less dump trucks, not more dump trucks.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Our next speaker.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Final speaker, Richard Babb.
MR. BABB: You have the name, so I won't repeat. It's been a
long day.
We -- one of the reasons we have such a mess on that road now,
two lane -- remember, two-lane road all the way out, is that there
have been several built pits approved during this last year, several
new ones have opened out there, added to the ones that already
existed. From Oil Well Road where the new middle school is, they're
coming in there. They're coming in from the road next to the fair
grounds. These are the loaded trucks coming into Immokalee Road.
There's a new built pit opened up on the corner as you're going
up Immokalee Road where the road swings east again, going over towards
the sanctuary, a new pit up there dumbing the trucks on.
It's -- if you haven't tried it lately, try it, especially during
rush hour.
This is one of the reasons why -- why -- why we are in the
position we're in now and, of course, the new built pit that they're
proposing here is to dump -- I don't know. And it started off, it was
396 truckloads a day. The newspaper told me that the meeting I was at
here, the Planning Board, had approved 175. I didn't happen to hear
it. I wasn't asleep. But maybe it's only 175 more loads a day added.
Gee.
I'm retired from the Bell System. We placed a great deal of
emphasis on safe driving. I submit if we put this type of infusion
onto that two-lane Immokalee Road, the way it is now, we've got a sure
fire formula for bloody accidents. It's going to be on our hands.
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Commissioner Carter, you wanted to know what can we do. The fill
has to come from somewhere. We could wait until the road can handle
the trucks.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Thank you.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Can we have -- that was our last speaker?
MR. FERNANDEZ: That was your last speaker.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Are there questions for the petitioner that
were raised, petitioner or any of his team members before we close the
public hearing?
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Does anyone know how many trucks a day are
on Immokalee Road? If we didn't have this, how many are there?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: A lot.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Well, we know there are a lot. But, I
mean, if -- if we deny this, is that going to change the number of
trucks that are going to come on Immokalee Road with fill?
MR. KANT: Edward Kant, Transportation Services Director.
No, we don't distinguish between trucks and passenger cars, but
we do know that the percentage of trucks on Immokalee Road is
significantly higher than one would expect on a road with that volume
of traffic and that type of roadway because of the fact that we happen
to have a lot of fill pits and other construction type activities on
that road.
So, I can't give you an exact number, but of the approximately
15,000 vehicles a day that use that road, there -- ordinarily one
would expect to find about five to six percent trucks, between four
and six percent. We believe that the truck -- the actual number is
between eight and ten percent, almost double what we might expect.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Last time, last call for questions
from the petitioner and members of his staff or team.
If not, I'll close the public hearing.
Is there a motion?
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Motion to approve.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Is there a second?
I'll second the motion. I think we have to approve this, as
sorry as I am for what the impacts will be.
The realty is -- is we make these kinds of decisions, we have to
look at what's a reasonable expectation of adjacent property owners
and it's reasonable to expect that this is an operation that would
happen in the area.
So, I'm going to second the motion. And we closed the public
hearing so unless you've just got some crisis here --
MR. ANDERSON: Well, you did promise me that I'd have an
opportunity to respond to these things.
I did want to point out that we have fill trucks bringing in fill
from Lee County to Collier.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I think that point's been made.
MR. ANDERSON: They're not paying any road impact fees, plus no
gas tax.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I think that point was made by Commissioner
Carter.
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MR. ANDERSON: Well, I wanted to -- to reemphasize that fact.
And about the trips, it's important to note that this project
will generate the same number of trips that 40 single family homes
would generate, that's all, but they pay several times as much impact
fees, road impact fees, as the single family -- 40 single family homes
would.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Right, but it wouldn't be 40 big trucks.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: If I get hit by a station wagon,
that's different than getting hit by a truck.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, it might be -- never mind.
MR. ANDERSON: I've been hit by a 16 wheeler while on a
motorcycle, so I speak from experience.
MR. ANDERSON: And we understand that the -- that the pit that is
north of us is likely -- we've talked to persons associated with that
-- that it is likely to significantly curtail its operations, meaning
run out of fill, within the next year to year and a half, which should
help alleviate some of the problem in the area.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: But it's not unrealistic to describe
this as potentially replacement trips. MR. ANDERSON: Yes, sir.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: In a year, year and a half.
MR. ANDERSON: That is correct.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: And I apologize, Bruce. I did offer you
that opportunity. If you have anything else you need to get on the
record?
MR. ANDERSON: I'd also point out that the staff report states
that the traffic generated by the project will not cause a level of
service problem on Immokalee Road.
I'd also suggest that if you directed it so, that the road impact
fees paid by this project could be pipelined to Immokalee Road. In
fact, one year's road impact fee payments will pay for one of the stop
lights that are scheduled out on Immokalee Road either at Oil Well or
Randall.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, that's something we want to look at
holistically, I'd suggest, you know, whether or not we should be
pipelining impact fees. It's a good point.
Anything else?
If not, I will close the public hearing.
second on the floor.
Is there any discussion on the motion?
If not, all in favor, please say aye.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Aye.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Aye.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Aye.
Opposed?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Aye.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE:
There's a motion and a
Motion passes four to one.
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RESOLUTION 99- 4 2 0
N OV - 9 1999
A RESOLUTION PROVIDING FOR THE
ESTABLISHMENT OF AN EARTHMIN1NG-
EXCAVATION OF FILL MATERIAL CONDITIONAL
USE "l" IN THE "A" RURAL AGRICULTURAL
ZONING DISTRICT PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2.2.3.
OF THE COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT
CODE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED IN SECTIONS 35
AND 36, TOWNSHIP 47 SOUTH, RANGE 27 EAST
AND SECTIONS 1 AND 2, TOWNSHIP 48 SOUTH,
RANGE 27 EAST, COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA.
WHEREAS, the Legislature of the State of Florida in Chapter 67-1246, Laws of Florida, and
Chapter 125, Florida Statutes, has conferred on Collier County the power to establish, coordinate and
enforce zoning and such business regulations as are necessary for the protection of the public; and
WHEREAS, the County pursuant thereto has adopted a Land Development Code (Ordinance
No. 91-102) which includes a Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance establishing regulations for the
zoning of particular geographic divisions of the County, among which is the granting of Conditional
Uses; and
WHEREAS, the Collier County Planning Commission, being the duly appointed and
constituted planning board for the area hereby affected, has held a public hearing after notice as in said
regulations made and provided, and has considered the advisability of Conditional Use "1" of Section
2.2.2.3. of the "A" Rural Agricultural Zoning District for earthmining on the property hereinafter
described, and has found as a matter of fact (Exhibit "A") that satisfactory provision and arrangement
have been made concerning all applicable matters required by said regulations and in accordance with
Subsection 2.7.4.4 of the Land Development Code for the Collier County Planning Commission; and
WHEREAS, all interested parties have been given opportunity to be heard by this Board in a
public meeting assembled and the Board having considered all matters presented.
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, BY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS of
Collier County, Florida that:
The petition filed by R. Bruce Anderson, Esquire of Young, Van Assenderp, Varnadoe and
Anderson, P.A., representing the SR-846 Land Trust, with respect to the property hereinafter described
as:
Exhibit "B" which is attached hereto and incorporated by reference herein
NOV - 9 1999
be and the same is hereby approved for Conditional Use "1" of Section 2.2.2.3. of the "A" Rural
Agricultural Zoning District for earthmining in accordance with the Conceptual Master Plan (Exhibit
"C") and subject to the following conditions:
Exhibit "D" which is attached hereto and incorporated by reference herein.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that this Resolution be recorded in the minutes of this Board.
This Resolution adopted after motion, second and majority vote.
Done this ~ T~. day of.~x'~ r~Z.m~.~.l'~.,_ 1999.
:..ATTEST:
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA .
Y~MAN
'DWIGHT E."BROCK, Clerk
,Attest if to
AP3{~Ved as to Eom ~ast~natur~ only.
Legal Sufficiency:
Ma~o~ M. Smdeni
Assist~t County Attorney
g/admin/petition/CU-99-16/RESOLUTION
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N ov - 9 1999
FINDING OF FACT
BY
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
FOR
A CONDITIONAL USE PETITION
FOR
CU-99-16
The following facts are found:
Section 2.2.2.3.1. of the Land Development Code authorized
the conditional use.
Granting the conditional use will not adversely affect the
public interest and will not adversely affect other property
or uses in the same district or neighborhood because of:
ao
Consistency with the Land Development Code and
Growth Management ~.~:
Yes No
S o
Ingress and egress to property and proposed
structures thereon with particular reference to
automotive and pedestrian safety and convenience,
traffic flow and control, and access in case of fire or
catastrophe:
Adequate ingress & ~ress
Yes ~/ No
C o
Affect~ neighboring properties in relation to noise,
glare/economic or odor effects:
t/No affect or Affect mitigated by
Affect cannot be mitigated
Compatibility with adjacent properties and other
property in the district:
Compatible us? ~fthin district
Yes %,' No
Based on the above findings, this conditional use should, with
stipulations, (copy attached) (~_k~ul~ i~ be recommend~or
a ppr oval ER .'~~~~~~~'''
f/FINDING OF FACT MEMBER/
t,I O'V - 9 1999
FINDING OF FACT
BY
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
FOR
A CONDITIONAL USE PETITION
FOR
CU-99-16
The following facts are found:
Section 2.2.2.3.1. of the Land Development Code authorized
the conditional use.
o
Granting the conditional use will not adversely affect the
public interest and will not adversely affect other property
or uses in the same district or neighborhood because of:
Consistency with the Land Development Code and
Growth Management P~n:
Yes No
Ingress and egress to property and proposed
structures thereon with particular reference to
automotive and pedestrian safety and convenience,
traffic flow and control, and access in case of fire or
catastrophe:
Adequate ingress &/egress
Yes V No
C o
Affects neighboring properties in relation to noise,
glarg, economic or odor effects:
No affect or Affect mitigated by
Affect cannot be mitigated
Compatibility with adjacent properties and other
property in the district:
Compatible use/ithin district
Yes ~ No
Based on the above findings, this conditional use should, with
stipulatio~ached) (should not) be recommended for
approval ( f ~V~) ~ .
DATE: 9 MEMBER:
f/FINDING OF FACT MEMBER/
N OV - 9 1999
FINDING OF FACT
BY
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
FOR
A CONDITIONAL USE PETITION
FOR
CU-99-16
The following facts are found:
Section 2.2.2.3.1. of the Land Development Code authorized
the conditional use.
o
Granting the conditional use will not adversely affect the
public interest and will not adversely affect other property
or uses in the same district or neighborhood because of:
Consistency with the Land Development Code and
Growth Management ~:
Yes No
Ingress and egress to property and proposed
structures thereon with particular reference to
automotive and pedestrian safety and convenience,
traffic flow and control, and access in case of fire or
catastrophe:
Adequate ingress & eqress
Yes ~/~ No
Affects neighboring properties in relation to noise,
glare,/economic or odor effects:
~/'No affect or Affect mitigated by
Affect cannot be mitigated
Compatibility with adjacent properties and other
property in the district:
Compatible use within district
Yes ~/ No
Based on the above findings, this conditional use should, with
stipulations, (copy attached) for
approval
f/FINDING OF FACT MEMBER/
(should not)~/ecommended
NOV - 9 1999
FINDING OF FACT
BY
COLLIER C~UNTY PLANNING C~MMISSI~N
F~R
A CONDITI~NAL USE PETITION
FOR
CU-99-16
The following facts are found:
Section 2.2.2.3.1. of the Land Development Code authorized
the conditional use.
o
Granting the conditional use will not adversely affect the
public interest and will not adversely affect other property
or uses in the same district or neighborhood because of:
A. Consistency with th_e~and Development Code and
Growth Managementyes 'No
o
Ingress and egress to property and proposed
structures thereon with particular reference to
automotive and pedestrian safety and convenience,
traffic flow and control, and access in case of fire or
catastrophe: ~ ~re
Adequate ingress ss
Yes ~No
C o
Affec/s neighboring properties in relation to noise,
gl~, economic or odor effects:
~No affect or Affect mitigated by
Affect cannot be mitigated
D. ComPatibility with adj%cent properties and other
property in the distr~t:
Compatible usel/ithin district
Yes ~No
Based on the above findings, this conditional use should, with
stipulations, (copy attached)
approval
DATE:
(~~e~ ~ec~nde?r
MEMBER:
f/FINDING OF FACT MEMBER/
FINDING OF FACT
BY
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
FOR
A CONDITIONAL USE PETITION
FOR
CU-99-16
The following facts are found:
Section 2.2.2.3.1. of the Land Development Code authorized
the conditional use.
Granting the conditional use will not adversely affect the
public interest and will not adversely affect other property
or uses in the same district or neighborhood because of:
ao
Consistency with the Land Development Code and
Growth Management Pla~
Yes / No
S o
C o
Ingress and egress to property and proposed
structures thereon with particular reference to
automotive and pedestrian safety and convenience,
traffic flow and control, and access in case of fire or
catastrophe:
Adequate ingress & egress
Yes ~/ No
Affects neighboring properties in relation to noise,
glare_, economic or odor effects:
No affect or Affect mitigated by
Affect cannot be mitigated
Compatibility with adjacent properties and other
property in the district:
Compatible use,within district
Yes ~' No
Based on the above findings, this conditional use should, with
stipulations, ~..(c~c~- -~~d) ~t) be rec~mW~nded for
approval
DATE: MEMBE
f/FINDING OF FACT MEMBER/
LEGAL DESCRIPTION
ALL OF SECTIONS 35 AND 36 IN TOWNSHIP 47 SOUTH, RANGE
27 EAST AND ALL OF SECTIONS 1 AND 2 IN TOWNSHIP 48
SOUTH, RANGE 27 EAST, LESS ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR
COUNTY ROAD 846 (IMMOKALEE ROAD), COLLIER COUNTY,
FLORIDA.
EXHIBIT "B"
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CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL
CU-99-16
This approval is conditioned upon the following stipulations requested by the Collier
County Planning Commission in their public hearing on September 16, 1999.
Planning Services:
ao
The Current Planning Manager, may approve minor changes in the
location, siting, or height of buildings, structures, and improvements
authorized by the conditional use. Expansion of the uses identified and
approved within this conditional use application, or major changes to the
site plan submitted as part of this application, shall require the submittal
of a new conditional use application, and shall comply with all applicable
County ordinances in effect at the time of submittal, including Division
3.3, Site Development Plan Review and approval, of the Collier County
Land Development Code, Ordinance (91-102).
The conditional use approval shall be reviewed at the end of five years to
determine whether additional stipulations or mitigation are necessary to
insure compatibility with other properties in the area and to assure public
health, safety and welfare is adequately addressed. Development
Services staff will use the following standards in their review and, in the
event of the inability of Development Services and applicant to agree
upon additional stipulations or mitigation, the matter will be referred to the
Board of Zoning Appeals using the Land development Code procedural
requirement for appeals. The standards for review are:
At least six months prior to the fifth anniversary of the Board of
Zoning appeals approvals, applicant shall submit a noise study
acceptable to Development Services staff to determine whether
additional berming, landscape or buffers are necessary to insure
compatibility with adjacent residential structures.
I1.
At least six months prior to the fifth anniversary of this approval,
applicant will submit to Development services a Traffic Study
conducted in a manner approved by County Transportation
Department that assesses the level of service on County Road
846, the project's impact on county Road 846, and any mitigation
needed to address this project's impacts on automotive and
pedestrian safety along the affected section of the CR. 846.
Additional mitigative measures that may be required include:
(1) Project contribution (on a proportional share basis) to add
signalization or turn lanes for other public roads within this
project's Radius of Influence.
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(2) Limitation of haul trips from the project to a maximum of 175
per 24-hour period.
(3) Mitigation of abnormal wear or tear caused by this project's
use of County Road 846 that are not addressed by payment of
impact fees.
Traffic counts, conducted on a quarterly basis, will be provided to Collier
County Transportation Services in a quarterly report. The traffic counts
will be taken at the project entrance, by direction (inbound and outbound),
and will be conducted by fifteen-minute increments for 48 consecutive
hours. Traffic counts and the quarterly report will be provided for five
years. The need for quarterly reports and counts will be re-evaluated
coincident with the conditional use review specified in condition (b)
above.
The applicant shall be responsible for the costs of engineering analysis
for a traffic signal warrant study and for the total costs of any signal. The
County shall be the sole determiner of whether or when a study and/or
signal is needed. Further, the applicant agrees to the following additional
conditions:
(1)
A northbound right-turn lane and a southbound left-turn lane
will be provided at the entrance with Immokalee Road. These
turn lanes will be site-related improvements. The turn lanes
will be designed reflective of Immokalee Road as a rural
arterial with 55 mph design speed. While the minimum storage
length design will be based on a rural roadway and 55 mph
design speed, site condition may warrant longer turn lane.
(2)
Advance warning signs will be provided on Immokalee Road,
north and south of the project entrance. ^ total of four
advanced warning signs, with flashers, will be provided. The
hours that each sign shall flash will be determined by the
applicant in consultation with Collier County Transportation
Services. Warning signs will be placed approximately 700 feet
before the entrance both on northbound and southbound
directions. These signs shall read Caution Trucks Entedng
Highway or some other warning agreed to by Transportation
Services. Additional warning signs will be placed
approximately 200 feet before the entrance in both northbound
and southbound directions. The signs shall read Mine
Entrance Ahead or some other warning agreed to by
Transportation Services. All signs (type, size, location, etc.)
shall be consistent with the Manual On Uniform Traffic Control
Devices.
(3) A flashing traffic signal will be provided at the intersection of
the project entrance and Immokalee Road. Immokalee Road
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will have the flashing yellow indication and the project
entrance the flashing red.
(4) Coincident with the installation of the flashing yellow traffic
signal, the intersection will be illuminated with a streetlight.
Hours of operation shall be 7:00 AM to 6:00
Saturday; no excavation or hauling operation
Sundays.
PM Monday through
shall be allowed on
No blasting will be permitted.
The excavation shall be limited to a lowest possible bottom elevation of
25 feet below existing grade unless a permit modification is applied for
through EAC and the BCC and shall be no shallower than 10 feet below
existing grade. The excavation shall be limited to a bottom elevation of
-1.0 NGVD.
The petitioner must apply for a Vegetation Removal Permit.
Environmental staff shall perform a site visit to determine the need for a
vegetation Removal Permit and to check for any listed species. No work
shall be done prior to that site visit.
A lake littoral zone equivalent to 10 percent of the lake perimeter will be
planted prior to final acceptance.
A 20-foot maintenance easement dedicated to Collier County shall be
provided around the perimeter of the lake.
Off-site removal of material shall be subject to "standard conditions"
imposed by the Transportation Services Division in the attached
document dated May 24, 1988, as amended in January 13, 1998.
Provide all necessary wetland permits prior to obtaining the vegetation
removal permit.
Prior to obtaining the vegetation removal permit that is required in
conjunction with the excavation permit, the petitioner shall provide letters
from US Fish and Wildlife Services and the Florida Fish and Wildlife
Conservation Commission resolving all wildlife issues on the site, i.e.,
burrowing owls, Florida panther, Florida black bear, wood stork, etc.
EXHIBIT "D"
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COLLIER COUNTY TRANSPORTATION SERVICES
"STANDARD CONDITIONS"
EXCAVATION PERMIT APPLICATIONS INVOLVING
OFF-SITE REMOVAL OF MATERIAL
The intent of these "Standard Conditions" are to provide excavation permit applicants a summary of
conditions which may affect their projects and which should be taken into consideration during all
stages of project development:
Haul routes between an excavation site and an arterial road shall be private with property
owner(s) approval or be a public collector road built to standards applicable to handle the
resulting track traffic. Where residential areas front collector roads, appropriate mm lanes,
buffer and bikepath shall be required as minimal site improvements and if recommended for
approval, shall be so with the condition that the Transportation Services Administration
reserves the right to suspend or prohibit off-site removal of excavated material should such
removal create a hazardous road condition or substantially deteriorate a road condition; such
action by the Transportation Services Administration shall be subject to appeal before the
Board of County Commissioners.
Haul routes utilizing public roads shall be subject to road maintenance and road repair or an
appropriate fair share by the permittee in accordance with Excavation Ordinance No. 91-102
as amended Div. 3.5 and Right-of-Way Ordinance No. 93-64.
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Off-site removal of excavated material shall be subject to Ordinance No. 92-22 (Road
Impact Ordinance). A traffic and road impact analysis shall be made by the County to
determine the effects that off-site removal of excavated material will have on the road
system within the excavation project's zone of influence. If appropriate, road impact fees in
accordance with Ordinance No. 92-22 shall be paid prior to the issuance of an excavation
permit.
The Transportation Services Administration reserves the right to establish emergency weight
limit~ on public roadways affected by the off-site removal of excavated material; the
procedure for establishment of weight limits shall be the presentation of an applicable
resolution before the Board of County Commissioners. Should weight limits be instituted,
the permittee shall be responsible to implement measures to assure that all heavy truck
loadings leaving the permit's property conform to the applicable weight restriction.
The Excavation Performance Guarantee shall apply to excavation operations and also the
maintenance/repair of public roads in accordance with current ordinances and applicable
permit stipulations.
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Based on soil boring information per Ordinance No. 91-102 as amended, a blasting permit
may be appropriate. Should a blasting permit application be submitted and should
residential areas exist within one mile of the excavation site, the County reserves the right to
deny a blasting permit based on concerns for off-site impacts from blasting at an excavation
site. Should a blasting permit be considered and approved, the minimum conditions of
approval in addition to conditions per Ordinance No. 91-102 as amended are as follows:
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Structure inventory/monitoring and applicable property owner release as required by
the Development Services Director.
B. Security bond applicable to private property damage acceptable to the County.
Control of size/depth/number of charges per blast by the Development Services
Director.
The right of the County to suspend and/or revoke blasting permit authority should it
be determined that blasting activities are creating unacceptable off-site conditions
either in terms of private property damage and/or related physical effects of blasting
operations.
No excavation permit shall be issued until receipt of a release from the Transportation
Services Administration applicable to proper mitigation of off-site impacts, meeting of
applicable provisions of Ordinance No. 93-64, Ordinance No. 92-22, and Ordinance No.
91-102 as amended.
Reference to letter of 5/24/88
Revised 1/13[98
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November 9, 1999
Item #14
STAFF COM/4IJNICATIONS - PRESENTED
Now, do we have any staff communication, Mr. Weigel?
MR. WEIGEL: Yes. Just to let you know that the -- the rocks on
the beach report from outside counsel, outside consultants, should be
available three weeks to a month tops.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Fernandez, communications?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Yes. I have some communications this evening,
Miss -- Commissioner Mac'Kie.
The first is to call on Mr. Ilschner and tell you a little about
the question you asked earlier in the meeting about the lights on U.S.
41 and when they're going up, or when they're going on.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Or when they're going on. They're up. When
are they going on?
MR. ILSCHNER: Good afternoon. Ed Ilschner for the record,
Public Works Administrator.
The answer to that question is that the lights will be
operational after the first of the year. That's the information we
received from the FDOT people this afternoon.
There has been some question. Will those lights be installed on
both sides of the roadway? The answer is, yes, they'll be on both
sides of the roadway.
But the closest we could get to an answer, when it will be
operational is after the first of the year.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Appreciate you trying and getting that and
would you mind giving a call to the Morones? They're the ones who
asked the question.
MR. ILSCHNER: We certainly will.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Thank you.
MR. ILSCHNER: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Mr. Ilschner, that -- typically, they don't
turn those lights on until the project is completed, is that --
MR. ILSCHNER: That is correct and they'll be complete at the end
of December and then they have to install the lights on the far side.
Correct.
Item #15
EXECUTIVE SESSION TO BE HELD AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE MEETING IN THE
BCC'S CONFERENCE ROOM
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Something else, Mr. Fernandez?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Yes. The next comment has to deal with the
reminder that you have an executive session immediately following this
meeting.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I'm not attending that if the board is
still having it. I can't attend.
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November 9, 1999
MR. FERNANDEZ: For the purposes of collective bargaining.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I'll be with you weeks later, but I
won't be in attendance.
MR. FERNANDEZ: And it's pursuant to Chapter 447.605 of the
Florida statutes. It will be held in the board's conference room.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. And we expect it to last about how
long?
MR. MULHERE: Half an hour.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay.
MR. FERNANDEZ: A half hour.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: There are two concerns I have.
Commissioner Norris and I were on the board when this -- the law was
passed that the state first allowed this.
We've only had an attempt to have an executive session once
before and the board declined to do that. I understand the reasons
for it. I also understand the reasons for the Sunshine Law and,
personally, I feel like this is one of those things that we could take
time to greet each individual commissioner.
It's more cumbersome, but I would be more comfortable protecting
the perception of what the board might be talking about behind closed
doors.
Secondly, at this late hour, I'm booked to be elsewhere with the
Optimist Club, so I can't stay, but just on principal, I'm not
comfortable doing that anyway.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Any other communications, Mr. Fernandez?
MR. FERNANDEZ: No others.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay. Thank you.
Commissioner Berry?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: No. I just feel the comment I would make in
response to Commissioner Constantine's concern about using that,
there's only two situations that you can do it, have an executive
session, and one is for litigation, and one is for collective
bargaining.
Having worked on the school system side of this for ten years
prior to, we did use this and it was always well known and at some
point in time, and maybe Mr. Blue can elaborate on this, but we even
took minutes in that meeting and then after the fact those minutes
were available.
I'm -- you know, after you went through your negotiations,
whatever, it was available to the public, so it wasn't something that
was highly secretive, but it is in the best interest of this board to
-- to do this.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: I completely understand. I have no
intention to make any passionate stance on this.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Yes. But I'm just --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: It's a great idea. Are we planning on doing
that as far as minutes, Mr. Weigel?
MR. WEIGEL: It was my understanding that there was not an
intention to take minutes. It's not required under the Sunshine Law.
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November 9, 1999
It's -- this is an executive session for discussion of negotiating
policy and strategy, things of that nature.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I sure would be more comfortable if we were.
How difficult would that be to arrange it at this point, I mean, a
verbatim -- can you stay half an hour? THE COURT REPORTER: Yes.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Would you consider just -- well, we'll get
advice from our attorney on that. I'm getting waived at in the back
of the room, but if the school board has done it that way before, I
like the idea.
COMMISSIONER CARTER: Yeah, because it's public record and I
think it's not a good idea.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, okay.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Madam Chairwoman?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Yes, sir.
MR. FERNANDEZ: I believe it's required for litigation.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: For litigation.
MR. FERNANDEZ: It's not required --
COMMISSIONER BERRY: It's not required for negotiation.
MR. FERNANDEZ: -- for negotiation.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Well, why would it be a bad idea?
COMMISSIONER BERRY: I would stand -- well, because it -- Pam,
otherwise you are laying out --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Oh, no, no, no. I mean, to be made public
at the conclusion of the negotiations.
MR. BLUE: May I respond?
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I wish you would.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Sure. Go ahead.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Identify yourself for the record, please.
MR. BLUE: Yes. Jim Blue, and I represent the county in
collective bargaining.
The reason that it is not a good idea is because negotiations is
an ongoing process. We have a meeting -- we have negotiations this
year. We may have a one-year contract. We may have a three-year
contract. Issues that come up this year that we may not accept --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Okay.
MR. BLUE: -- and we will discuss them in the shade will come up
in the end in the future.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: Well, and not only that, it becomes pretty
evident what you did discuss --
MR. BLUE: It becomes very evident.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: -- because of negotiation --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I understand now.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: -- but it's the strategy and so forth that,
you know, if you say, well, you're going to do this based on something
or other, that's fine --
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I understand.
COMMISSIONER BERRY: -- but -- and I'll stand corrected because I
believe, Mr. Fernandez, you're right, litigation was what we -- we did
that and not in collective bargaining. I stand corrected.
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November 9, 1999
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: No problem.
Commissioner Norris, any comments, communications?
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: No.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Commissioner Carter?
COMMISSIONER CARTER: None.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: Commissioner Constantine?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Thursday, Veterans Day, Cambier Park.
Hope to see you all there.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: I have no communications and we will -- do
we adjourn, David? Do we continue? What do we do?
MR. WEIGEL: This adjourns and we then move to executive session
in a different premise.
CHAIRWOMAN MAC'KIE: So, we're adjourned.
***** Commissioner Norris moved, seconded by Commissioner Carter and
carried unanimously, that the following items under the Consent and
Summary Agenda be approved and/or adopted with the exception of Item
16B13, which was opposed by Commissioner Constantinel *****
Item #16A1
CARNIVAL PERMIT 99-10, RE PETITION CP-99-10, TERRY WOLFSON, PRESIDENT,
COLLIER COUNTY AGRICULTURAL FAIR AND EXPOSITION, INC., REQUESTING A
PERMIT TO CONDUCT THE ANNUAL COLLIER COUNTY AGRICULTURAL FAIR ON
JANUARY 7 THROUGH 15, 2000, AT THE COLLIER COUNTY FAIR GROUNDS LOCATED
ON IMMOKALEE ROAD (SR-846) NORTH GOLDEN GATE AND WAIVER OF APPLICATION
FEE, OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE AND SURETY BOND.
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Permit No.CP- 9 9 - 10
PERMIT FOR CARNIVAL EXHIBITION
STATE OF FLORIDA:
COUNTY OF COLLIER:
WHEREAS, Collier County Agriculture Fair and Exposition, Inc., has made application to the Board of
County Commissioners of Collier County, Florida, for a permit to conduct a carnival; and
WHEREAS, Collier County Agriculture Fair and Exposition, Inc., has presented to the Board sufficient
evidence that all criteria for the issuance of a permit to conduct a carnival as set forth in Chapter 10, Article II,
Amusements and Entertainments, of the Collier County Code have been satisfied and that such carnival will be
conducted according to lawful requirements and conditions; and
WHEREAS, said Collier County Agriculture Fair and Exposition, Inc., has requested a waiver of the
Carnival Fee, Surety Bond and Occupational License;
NOW, THEREFORE, THIS PERMIT IS HEREBY GRANTED TO Collier County Agriculture Fair and
Exposition, Inc., to conduct a carnival from January 7 through January 15, 2000, in accordance with the terms and
conditions set forth in the petitioner's application and all related documents, attached hereto and incorporated herein
for the following described property:
(See attached Exhibit "A")
The request for waiver of Surety Bond is hereby approved.
WITNESS my hand as Chairwoman of said Board and Seal of said County, attested by the Clerk of Courts
.,' .; ~' in ahdfor ~ajd County this
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BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER2~
?AMELA S. MAC'KIE, CHA1TgWOMAN
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November 9, 1999
Item #16B1
CHANGE ORDER TO THE CONTRACT WITH WITH MITCHELL & STARK CONSTRUCTION
COMPANY, INC., FOR THE RECLAIMED WATER BACK PRESSURE SUSTAINING VALVES
PROJECT, CONTRACT 98-287&, PROJECT 74020, IN THE AMOUNT OF $30,645.00.
DOCUMENT NOT RECEIVED IN CLERK'S OFFICE AS OF DECEMBER 28, 1999.
Page 165
November 9, 1999
Item #16B2
BUDGET AMENDMENT TO TRANSFER FUNDS FROM GAS TAX RESERVES TO COVER
CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND INSPECTION IN FISCAL YEAR 2000 FOR THE
PROPOSED PATHWAY ON U.S. 41, PROJECT #61009.
Item #16B3
NEGOTIATE RFP #99-2962 WITH LAW GIBB GROUP, INC., ARDAMAN AND
ASSOCIATES, ASC GEOSCIENCES AND FORGE ENGINEERING FOR FIXED TERM
MATERIAL TESTING SERVICES AND EXTEND EXISTING AGREEMENT IN RFP 95-2388
FOR SIXTY DAYS.
Item #16B4
AGREEMENT WITH TILDEN LOBNITZ COOPER, INC. AND ANCHOR ENGINEERING
CONSULTANTS, INC FOR FIXED TERM MECHANICAL/ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING
SERVICES IN ACCORDANCE WITH RFP #99-2929.
Item #16B5
AMENDED WORK ORDER TLC-M/E-98-2 WITH TILDEN LOBNITZ AND COOPER, INC.
TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR MASTER PUMPING STATIONS
MOTOR CONTROL RENOVATIONS, PROJECT 73044, IN THE AMOUNT OF $3,000.00.
DOCUMENT NOT RECEIVED IN CLERK'S OFFICE AS OF DECEMBER 28, 1999.
Page 166
November 9, 1999
Item #16B6
ACCEPTANCE OF UTILITY EASEMENT FOR IRRIOATION FACILITIES FOR THE
BEAUTIFICATION OF THE IMMOKALEE ROAD MEDIAN AND ANY AND ALL ADDITIONAL
EASEMENTS AS MAY BE NECESSARY TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT AND
AUTHORIZATION TO EXECUTE AND RECORD ALL DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO OBTAIN
CLEAR TITLE.
Page 167
PROJECT: Collier's Reserve Median Irrigation
NOV 9 !999
UTILITY EASEMENT
THIS EASEMENT, made and entered into this''):3 ~..~ day of ~ 19~_~., by
COLLIER DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, a Flor~ ~'orporation, t~vhose adc~re~s is 3003
Tamiami Trail North, Naples, Florida 34103, as Grantor and the BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS OF COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS THE GOVERNING BODY OF
COLLIER COUNTY AND AS EX-OFFICIO THE GOVERNING BOARD OF THE COLLIER
COUNTY WATER-SEWER DISTRICT, 3301 East Tamiami Trail, Naples, Florida 34112, its
successors and assigns, as Grantee.
(Wherever used herein the terms "Grantor" and "Grantee" include all the parties to this
instrument and their respective heirs, legal representatives, successors or assigns.)
WlTNESSETH:
Grantor, for and in consideration of TEN DOLLARS ($10.00) and other valuable consideration
paid by the Grantee, the receipt and sufficiency of which is hereby acknowledged, hereby
conveys, grants, bargains and sells unto the Grantee, its successors and assigns, a
non-exclusive easement, license, and privilege for utility and maintenance purposes, on the
following described lands located in Collier County, Florida, to wit:
See attached Exhibit "A" which' is
incorporated herein by reference.
Subject to easements, restrictions, and reservations of record.
THIS IS NOT HOMESTEAD PROPERTY
TO HAVE AND TO HOLD the same unto the Grantee together with the right to enter
upon said land, excavate, and place or remove materials including, but not limited to, pipes,
service and pump stations, and other equipment or improvements appurtenant thereto or
thereunder for the purpose of constructing, operating, and maintaining utility facilities thereon.
Grantor and Grantee are used for singular or plural, as the context requires. The easement
granted herein shall constitute easements running with the land and shall burden the lands
described above. This easement shall expire when another alternate waterline is installed
offering full time operation and providing water to the subject pumping facilities, or on
December 31, 2005, whichever occurs first.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the Grantor has caused these presents to be executed the
date and year first above written.
IN THE PRESENCE OF:
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STATE OF FLORIDA
COUNTY OFCOLLIER
The foregoing Utility Easement was acknowledged before me this ~ f'&- day of
~, 1999, by Jeffrey M. Birr, Vice President, on behalf of Collier Development
Corporation, a Florida corporation, and wh___o is p__e_rsona_lly known to me or has produced
as identification
(Affix notarial seal) _ NXhlC¥ LYNN HALL
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EXPIRES JUN 24, 2001
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Item #16B7
STAFF TO SCHEDULE PUBLIC HEARING FOR DECEMBER 14, 1999, TO CONSIDER
AMENDING ORDINANCE 71-2, THE COUNTY-WIDE LIGHTING ORDINANCE, AS
AMENDED, TO PROVIDE STREET LIGHTING IN WILLOUGHBY ACRES, FLAMINGO
ESTATES, BROOKSIDE AND COCONUT CREEK ESTATES.
Item #16B8
BUDGET AMENDMENT TO THE CLAM BAY RESTORATION FUND, (320).
Item #16B9
WORK ORDER AMENDMENT #WMBP-FT-99-03-A01 FOR WILSON MILLER, INC., FOR
FIXED TERM PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES RELATED TO THE
SIGNALIZATION DESIGN OF LIVINGSTON ROAD, (RADIO ROAD TO GOLDEN GATE
PARKWAY), PROJECT NO. 60061, IN THE AMOUNT OF $18,904.42.
DOCUMENT NOT RECEIVED IN CLERK'S OFFICE AS OF DECEMBER 28, 1999.
Page 168
November 9, 1999
Item #16B10 - CONTINUED TO 11/23 MEETING
Item #16Bll
REJECTION OF BIDS RECEIVED UNDER 98-2851 AND AUTHORIZATION OF
CONTINUED PURCHASE OF BIOXIDE FROM U.S. FILER FOR CONTROL OF HYDROGEN
SULFIDE ODOR FOR THE WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM.
~Item #16B12
NOTICES OF CLAIM OF LIEN FOR ENFORCEMENT OF THE NOTICE TO PAY SEWER
IMPACT FEE FOR CERTAIN PROPERTIES AS LISTED IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY,
LOCATED IN THE FORMER ROOKERY BAY SEWER SERVICE AREA.
Page 169
This instrument prepared by:
Office of the County Attorney
3301 East Tamiami Trail
Naples, Florida 34112
(941) 774-8400
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NOTICE OF CLAIM OF LIEN
FOR SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM IMPACT FEES
Pursuant to Collier County Ordinance No. 98-69; Chapter 88-499, Laws of Florida, and other
applicable provisions of law, The Board of County Commissioners of Collier County, Florida, as
the Governing Board of Collier County and as Ex-officio the Governing Board of the Collier
County Water-Sewer District, hereby files this Notice of Claim of Lien for Sanitary Sewer
System Impact Fees on the following described real property located in Collier County, Florida,
to wit:
Unit No. C-306, of Gulf Winds East, a condominium, as recorded in Condominium Plat
Book 4 at Pages 153-154, of the Public Records of Collier County, Florida, together with
the pro-rate interest in the common elements, and common property, of the condominium
and limited common elements appurtenant thereto, more particularly delineated and
identified in the Declaration of Condominium of Gulf Winds East, a condominium, as
recorded in Official Records Book 508, at Page 165 through 224, inclusive, as completely
amended in Official Records Book 939, Pages 1170 through 1236, and as amended by the
Final Surveyor's Certificate and other amendments thereto.
The mailing address of this property is 1024 Manatee Road, Apt C-306, Naples, Florida 34114.
According to the Public Records of Collier County, Florida, the described property apparently is
owned by REBECCA M. COLLISON, whose post office address is 102 Wooden Ridge Road,
Swanton, Maryland 21561. This Notice of Claim of Lien for Sanitary Sewer System Impact
Fees is in the principal amount of $1,055.00, which principal amount shall accrue interest from
June 7, 1999, at the statutory interest rate for final judgments, calculated on a calendar day basis
until paid.
Dated this
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COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS ' i ~*:"
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CHAIRWOMAN
This instrument prepared by:
Office of the County Attorney
3301 East Tamiami Trail
Naples, Florida 34112
(941) 774-8400
*** 2555244 OR: 2610 PG: 1853 **
RECORDED in OFFICIAL RECORDS of COLLIER COUNTY, PL
11/10/1999 at 12:357% DWIGHT E, BROCK, C~ERK
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INTHOHICE 4TH FLOOR
HT 7240
Folio Number: 48484160007
NOTICE OF CLAIM OF LIEN
FOR SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM IMPACT FEES
Pursuant to Collier County Ordinance No. 98-69; Chapter 88-499, Laws of Florida, and other
applicable provisions of law, The Board of County Commissioners of Collier County, Florida, as
the Governing Board of Collier County and as Ex-officio the Governing Board of the Collier
County Water-Sewer District, hereby files this Notice of Claim of Lien for Sanitary Sewer
System Impact Fees on the following described real property located in Collier County, Florida,
to wit:
Unit F-105, of that certain condominium known as Gulf Winds East Condominiums Unit
1, according to the Declaration of Condominium thereof on file and recorded in the office
of the Clerk of the Circuit Court of Collier County, Florida, in Official Record Book 508,
pages 165, et seq., as may be amended, together with said Unit's share of the common
elements appurtenant thereto.
The mailing address of this property is 1014 Manatee Road, Apt. F-105, Naples, Florida 34114.
According to the Public Records of Collier County, Florida, the described property apparently is
owned by WlNFRED H. MCMAHAN AND IMOGENE MCMAHAN, husband and wife, whose
post office address is 4332 Jones Cove Road, Sevierville, Tennessee 37876. This Notice of
Claim of Lien for Sanitary Sewer System Impact Fees is in the principal amount of $1,055.00,
which principal amount shall accrue interest from June 6, 1999, at the statutory interest rate for
final judgments, calculated on a calendar day basis until paid.
", Dated this
ATTEST.: '.
DWIGHT E.?BROCK, CLERK
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Attest as to Chatr~tn'$
signature onl$.
day of ~X~,t~, 1999.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISIONERS
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS
THE GOVERNING BODY OF COLLIER ·
COUNTY AND AS EX-OFFICIO THE :'
GOVERNING BOARD OF THE COLLIER
COUNTY WATER-SEWER DISTRICT
P ~/AMELA S MAC' ,
BY:
This instrument prepared by:
Office of the County Attorney'T(
3301 East Tamiami Trail
Naples, Florida 34112
(941) 774-8400
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NOTICE OF CLAIM OF LIEN
FOR SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM IMPACT FEES
Pursuant to Collier County Ordinance No. 98-69; Chapter 88-499, Laws of Florida, and other
applicable provisions of law, The Board of County Commissioners of Collier County, Florida, as
the Governing Board of Collier County and as Ex-officio the Governing Board of the Collier
County Water-Sewer District, hereby files this Notice of Claim of Lien for Sanitary Sewer
System Impact Fees on the following described real property located in Collier County, Florida,
to wit:
That certain Condominium Parcel composed of Apartment A-105 of Unit Number 1,
together with an undivided share in the common elements appurtenant thereto, in
accordance with and subject to the covenants, conditions, restrictions, easements, terms
and other provisions of the Declaration of Condominium of Gulf Winds East, Unit 1, as
recorded in O.R. Book 508, at Pages 165 through 225, of the Public Records of Collier
County, Florida.
The mailing address of this property is 1000 Manatee Road, Apt A-105, Naples, Florida 34114.
According to the Public Records of Collier County, Florida, the described property apparently is
owned by NANCY E. STONE, whose post office address is 5322 Catts Street, Naples, Florida
34113. This Notice of Claim of Lien for Sanitary Sewer System Impact Fees is in the principal
amount of $1,055.00, which principal amount shall accrue interest from June 5, 1999, at the
statutory interest rate for final judgments, calculated on a calendar day basis until paid.
Dated this
~'¥~, day of ]~mC~al~a,~, 1999.
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BOARD OF COUNTY COMMihON Rs
COLLIER CO~TY, FLO~DA;AS ~:'~"
THE GOVE~G BODY OF COLLIER'
CO~TY ~ AS EX-OFFICIO THE
GOVE~G BO~ OF THE COLLIER'?
CO.TV WATER-SE~RD!ST~CT
/ '.;.... ' -,: ,,(~ .:
BY: ?~ELA S. MAC'~E,
CH~RWOM~
This instrument prepared by:
Office of the County Attorney"l (
3301 East Tamiami Trail
Naples, Florida 34112
(941) 774-8400
Folio Number: 68343960001
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CCBRI TO TH! BOAID
NOTICE OF CLAIM OF LIEN
FOR SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM IMPACT FEES
Pursuant to Collier County Ordinance No. 98-69; Chapter 88-499, Laws of Florida, and other
applicable provisions of law, The Board of County Commissioners of Collier County, Florida, as
the Governing Board of Collier County and as Ex-officio the Governing Board of the Collier
County Water-Sewer District, hereby files this Notice of Claim of Lien for Sanitary Sewer
System Impact Fees on the following described real property located in Collier County, Florida,
to wit:
Lot 102, PORT-AU-PRINCE MOBILE SUBDIVISION, according to the plat thereof
recorded in Plat Book 13, Page 51, Public Records of Collier County, Florida
The mailing address of this property is 102 Moon Bay Street, Naples, Florida 34114. According
to the Public Records of Collier County, Florida, the described property apparently is owned by
JOHN LEE BARRETT and KATRINA M. BARRETT, husband and wife, and whose post office
address is 810 Merry Lane, Greenwood, Indiana 46142. This Notice of Claim of Lien for
Sanitary Sewer System Impact Fees is in the principal amount of $69.18, which principal amount
shall accrue interest from April 27, 1999, at the statutory interest rate for final judgments,
calculated on a calendar day basis until paid.
Dated this % .-~... day of [}~z~l~l,_, 1999. ..
BOARD OF COUNTY CO~SIONER's",',.,
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, A.~ "',., '~'
THE GOVEm, qI~G BODy OF coLUER~, :~:%.~:
COUNTY AND AS EX-OFFICIO THE '-/~'
GOVERNING BOARD OF THE COLLIER .':i :~:
COUNTY WATER-SE~ DISTR,~T i~ ::' :'..~'
c/ P B/Y/ LA S. MAC'rdE,/'
CHAIRWOMAN /
This instrument prepared by:
Office of the County Attorney--
3301 East Tamiami Trail I
Naples, Florida 34112
(941) 774-8400
Folio Number: 68344080003
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RECORDED in OFFIClA~ HCORD8 of COLLIBR COUN?I, FL
II/10/1999 at 12:35ea DWIGHT K, BROCK, CLHK
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INTBRO~ICK t?H gLOOR
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NOTICE OF CLAIM OF LIEN
FOR SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM IMPACT FEES
Pursuant to Collier County Ordinance No. 98-69; Chapter 88-499, Laws of Florida, and other
applicable provisions of law, The Board of County Commissioners of Collier County, Florida, as
the Governing Board of Collier County and as Ex-officio the Governing Board of the Collier
County Water-Sewer District, hereby files this Notice of Claim of Lien for Sanitary Sewer
System Impact Fees on the following described real property located in Collier County, Florida,
to wit:
Lot 105 Port-Au-Prince, according to the Plat Book 13, Page 51, of the Public Records of
Collier Count, Florida
The mailing address of this property is 105 Moon Bay Street, Naples, Florida 34114. According
to the Public Records of Collier County, Florida, the described property apparently is owned by
TIMOTHY LYNN CARMAN and MARY ANNE CLARY, Joint Tenants with Right of
Survivorship, whose post office address is RR #2, Box 7092, Fort White, Florida 32038. This
Notice of Claim of Lien for Sanitary Sewer System Impact Fees is in the principal amount of
$69.18, which principal amount shall accrue interest fi.om April 26, 1999, at the statutory interest
rate for final judgments, calculated on a calendar day basis until paid.
Dated this ~..~... day of ~_tzl~lx~e,l~, 1999.
:/,.~: i. ~ATTEST:,
-' DWIGH~ B. BROCK, CLERK
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OARD OF COUNTY COMMISIONER$;.
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORi~A, AS
THE GOVERNING BODY OF' COLLIE~;
COUNTY AND AS EX-OFFicIo THE
GOVERNING BOARD OF'~fHE COLLIER
COUNTY WATER-SEWER DiST ,~,,CT/
BY: ~
CHAIRWOMAN
This instrument prepared by:
Office of the County Attomey~
3301 East Tamiami Trail
Naples, Florida 34112
(941) 774-8400
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CLBRK TO ?H! BOARD
7240
Folio Number: 68341600004
NOTICE OF CLAIM OF LIEN
FOR SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM IMPACT FEES
Pursuant to Collier County Ordinance No. 98-69; Chapter 88-499, Laws of Florida, and other
applicable provisions of law, The Board of County Commissioners of Collier County, Florida, as
the Governing Board of Collier County and as Ex-officio the Governing Board of the Collier
County Water-Sewer District, hereby files this Notice of Claim of Lien for Sanitary Sewer
System Impact Fees on the following described real property located in Collier County, Florida,
to wit:
Lot 42, Port-Au-Prince, according to the plat recorded at Plat Book 13, Page 51 of the
Public Records of Collier County, Florida.
According to the Public Records of Collier County, Florida, the described property apparently is
owned by FRANCISCO and PAULA OBREGON whose post office address is the same as the
property address is 42 Moon Bay Street, Naples, Florida 34114. This Notice of Claim of Lien
for Sanitary Sewer System Impact Fees is in the principal amount of $69.18, which principal
amount shall accrue interest from April 24, 1999, at the statutory interest rate for final judgments,
ealc~|ated on a calendar day basis until paid.
,;, .... ;~L4-,.!¢.~. Dated this ~'t~. day of
ATTEST:,,-
.D~0HT E. BROCK, CLE~
Attest as to Chat~n's
signature ~1~.
1999. ...
BO~ OF CO~TY ~OMMISIO~RS/
COLLIER CO~TY, FEO~A, AS
CO~TY ~ AS EX-OFFIGIO THB~.
~VE~G BO~ oF:&HE COLLIER,.)":
CO~TY WATER-SE~R DISTmCX:
/
C~RWOM~~
This instrument prepared by: ^11~1 ./,,-'-'//
Office of the County Attorney'S1
3301 East Tamiami Trail
Naples, Florida 34112
(941) 774-8400
Folio Number: 68344120002
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H? 7240
NOTICE OF CLAIM OF LIEN
FOR SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM IMPACT FEES
Pursuant to Collier County Ordinance No. 98-69; Chapter 88-499, Laws of Florida, and other
applicable provisions of law, The Board of County Commissioners of Collier County, Florida, as
the Governing Board of Collier County and as Ex-officio the Governing Board of the Collier
County Water-Sewer District, hereby files this Notice of Claim of Lien for Sanitary Sewer
System Impact Fees on the following described real property located in Collier County, Florida,
to wit:
Lot 106, Port-Au-Prince, according to the Plat recorded at Plat Book 13, Page 51 of the
Public Records of Collier County, Florida.
The mailing address of this property is 106 Moon Bay Street, Naples, Florida 34114. According
to the Public Records of Collier County, Florida, the described property apparently is owned by
PHILIP SMITH and PHYLA SMITH, whose post office address is 1027 Admiralty Court,
Marco Island, Florida 34145. This Notice of Claim of Lien for Sanitary Sewer System Impact
Fees is in the principal mount of $69.18, which principal amount shall accrue interest fi.om
April 24, 1999, at the statutory interest rate for final judlo'nents, calculated on a calendar day
basis until paid.
Dated this
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COLLIER CO~TY, ~ODA,
THE GOVE~G BODY.O~ COELI~
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November 9, 1999
Item #16B13
AGREEMENT TO PURCHASE A WIND BASED ODOR CONTROL SYSTEM FROM ERIC~SONS
FOR THE NAPLES LANDFILL IN THE AMOUNT OF $248,880. (OPPOSED BY
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE)
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WIND BASED ODOR CONTROL SYSTEM
AGREEMENT
THIS AGREEMENT, made and entered into on this ~, .n~.. day of ~,.w~.o_ ,
1999, by and between Eric'sons, a Chapter "C" corporation organized under the laws of the State
of Nevada, hereinafter called the "Contractor", and Collier County a political subdivision of the
State of Florida, Collier County, Naples, hereinafter called the "County":
WITN,ESSETH:
COMMENCEMENT. This Agreement shall commence on the date of the issuance of a
Notice to Proceed to the Contractor by the Project Manager.
The County Administrator or his designee may, at his discretion, extend the Agreement
under all of the terms and conditions contained in this Agreement for up to one hundred
eighty (180) days. The County Administrator, or his designee, shall give the Contractor
written notice of the County's intention to extend the Agreement term not less than ten
(10) calendar days prior to the end of the Agreement term then in eff'ect.
STATEMENT OF WORK: The Contractor shall furnish, install, start-up, test, warranty
and maintain for a one (1) year period the Wind Based Odor Control System ("System")
as described in Exhibit A, to be powered by electricity. Installation of said system is to
control odor generated from Phase III of Cell 6 in the Naples Landfill located on C.R.
951. The Contractor shall provide anchor bolt drawings, foundation designs for concrete
fan bases, ~stem layout drawings and electrical distribution and control plans. The
Contractor ~all also provide training of County and contracted landfill operations
personnel (~a the operation of the system. The Contractor shall provide engineering for the
concrete ftm bases but is not responsible for the cost or installation of same. The County
shall be res~cmsible for the power supply to the thirteen (13) fans, control wires from the
weather stolon to each of the motor starters located at each fan, and the concrete
foundations ~r each fan.
AGREEMganlT SUM: The County shall pay the contractor for the performance of this
Agreement the amount of Two Hundred Forty-eight Thousand Eight Hundred Eighty
Dollars ($24g,g80.00).
COMPENSATION. The County shall pay the Contractor for the performance of this
Agreement upon completion of the work as accepted and approved by the Solid Waste
Director or his designee and upon receipt of a proper invoice. Payments shall be made to
'ff~e Contractor when requested as work progresses, but not more frequently than once per
month, for the actual hours worked and deliverables received in the preceding month, less
10% retainage for each deliverable. Upon final acceptance of all deliverables, equipment
and the successful operation of the system by the County, the County will pay the
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contractor the total amount withheld. Payment w~l be made within thirty (30) days upon
approval of work and materials and receipt of a proper invoice and in compliance with
Section 218.70, Fla. Stats., otherwise known as the "Florida Prompt Payment Act".
PROGRESS PAYMENTS: Contractor's first monthly Application for payment shall be
based on the Schedule of Values shown in Exhibit A. The Contractor's request for payment
shall be made on the Form of Contract Application for Payment (Exhibit B) and
accompanied by a Release and Affidavit Form (Exhibit C).
NOTICES: All notices from the County to the Contractor shall be deemed duly served if
mailed by registered or certified mail to the Contractor at the following address:
Larry J. Finn
Eric'sons
300 W. Memorial Drive
Dallas, GA 30132
770-505-6003
All notices from the Contractor to the County shall be deemed duly served if mailed by
registered or certified mail to the County at the following address:
Collier County Government Complex
Purchasing Department
3301 East Tamiami Trail
General Services Building
Naples, Florida 34112
The Contractor and the County may change the above mailing address at any time upon giving
the other party written ~otification. All notices under this Agreement must be in writing.
PAYMENT BONI}: In lieu of the Contractor providing a Payment Bond, Contractor
agrees that the County shall make direct payment to the Contractor's equipment suppliers
hereunder, not to exceed the amounts for components described on Exhibit A hereof.
AGREEMENT IYI3IE: Time is of the essence in the performance of the Work under this
Agreement. The "Commencement Date" shall be established in the Notice to Proceed to
be issued by the Project Manager. Contractor shall commence the Work within five (5)
calendar days from the Commencement Date. Any Work performed by Contractor prior
ix~the Commencement Date shall be at the sole risk of the Contractor. The Work shall be
suM~tan~ially completed within ninety (90) calendar days from the Commencement Date.
Tt~ dam' of substantial completion of the Work (or designated portions thereof) is the date
certifi:ed' b5r the Project Manager when construction is sufficiently complete, so the County
can occupy or utilize the Work (or designated portions thereof) for the use for which it is
intended as indicated on the Certificate of Substantial Completion (Exhibit D). The work
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shall reach final completion and be ready for final acceptance by the County within one
hundred twenty (120) calendar days from the Commencement Date (herein "Agreement
Time"). Upon final completion, the Final Payment Checklist (Exhibit E) shall be issued by
the Project Manager to the Contractor.
WARRANTY: Contractor shall warranty all equipment against defects in material and
workmanship for a period of one (1) year. The one (1) year maintenance contract
:'equirement covers the operational aspects of the entire system. The Contractor shall be
responsible for the cost of attenuation of noise produced by the system in excess of 50
decibels on the audible scale at a distance greater than 1000 feet from the landfill property
10.
MAENTENANCE: Contractor shall provide maintenance for a one (1) year period, to
include all transportation costs for Contractor personnel, parts and labor, and any other
costs required to maintain the system in one hundred percent (100%) correct operating
condition.
11. LITERATURE: The Contractor shall furnish the following to the County ·
A. Two (2) Operator Manuals
B Two (2) Repair Manuals
C. Two (2) Parts Manuals
12. SOFTWARE: The "Software Package" fur:5.,hed by the Contractor to run the Energy
~qaving Control system shall include the source c~dc and all future upgrades.
NO PARTNERSHIP: Nothing herein contained shall create or be construed as creating a
pa:-rnership between the County and the Contractor or to constitute the Contractor as an
,~¢ent of the County.
PERMITS, LICENSES~ TAXES: In compii;~nce with Section 218.80, F.S., all permits
,'~cc~ssary., for the prosecution of the Work shall l~o obtained by the Contractor. Payment for
ali ;ucin permits issued b'y the County shall be processed internally by the County. All non-
,,'_',.~:~tv permits necessary,', for the prosecution c~f rile Work shall be procured and paid for by
ti~c Ccmtractor. The Contractor shall also be qc~ie!v responsible for payment of any and all
~.:,~._~ !evied on the Contractor. In addition. :t~e Contractor shall comply with all rules,
::~:ct:!ations and laws of Collier County, the State of Florida, or the U.S. Government now in
~< ~'.cs ~r hereafter adopted. The Contractor agrees to comply with all laws governing the
?,~:9,msibility of an employer with respect to persons employed by the Contractor. Florida
- --~ :-:menr of Environmental Protection Pern',it~ ,.~ill be the responsibility of the County.
15.
'~, ' 75~.I?-'tIOPER USE: The Contractor will :q~t use, nor suffer or permit any person to use
i~: ~,::v mamner whatsoever, County facilities I',~r :my improper, immoral or offensive purpose,
,~' 2'~- any purpose in violation of any feder:~i, state, county or municipal ordinance, rule,
,,;,~: ~r t-egulation, or of any governmentai r~tic or regulation now in effect or hereafter
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enacted or adopted. In the event of such 'Ao!ation by the Contractor or if the County or its
authorized representative shall deem any conduct on the part of the Contractor to be
objectionable or improper, the County shall have the fight to suspend the Contract of the
Contractor. Should the Contractor fail to correct any such violation, conduct, or practice to
the satisfaction of the County within twenty-four (24) hours after receiving notice of such
violation, conduct, or practice, such suspension to continue until the violation is cured. The
Contractor further agrees not to commence operation during the suspension period until the
violation has been corrected to the satisfaction of the County.
16. TERMINATION: Should the Contractor be found to have failed to perform his services in
a manner satisfactory to the County and requirements of this Agreement, the County may
terminate said Agreement immediately for cause; further the County may terminate this
Agreement for convenience with a thirty (30) day written notice. The County shall be sole
judge of non-performance.
17. NO DISCRIMINATION: The Contractor agrees that there shall be no discrimination as to
race, sex, color, creed or national origin.
18. INSURANCE: The Contractor shall provide insurance as follows:
Commercial General Liability: Coverage shall have minimum limits of $1,000,000 Per
Occurrence, Combined Single Limit for Bodily Injury Liability and Property Damage
Liability. This shall include Premises and Operations; Independent contractors; Products
and Completed Operations and Contractual Liability.
Business Auto Liability: Coverage shall have minimum limits of $1,000,000 Per
Occurrence, Combined Single Limit for Bodily Injury Liability and Property Damage
Liability. This Shall include: Owned Vehicles, Hired and Non-Owned Vehicles and
Employee Non-Ownership.
C. Workers' Compensation: Insurance covering all employees meeting Statutory Limits in
compliance with the applicable state and federal laws.
The coverage mu~ include Employers' Liability with a minimum limit of $1,000,000 for
each accident.
Special Requirements: Collier County shall be listed as the Certificate Holder and
included as an Additional Insured on both the Comprehensive General Liability and
Business Auto LiabiliVy Policies.
Cara'ent, valid insurance policies meeting the requirement herein identified shall be
maintained by Contractor during the duration of this Agreement. Renewal certificates
~1. be sent to the County 30 days prior to any expiration date. There shall be a 30 day
notification to the County in the event of cancellation or modification of any stipulated
insurance coverage.
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Contractor shall insure that all subcontractors comply with the same insurance
requirements that he is required to meet. The same Contractor shall provide County with
certificates of insurance meeting the required insurance provisions.
19. INDEMNIFICATION: The Contractor, in consideration of One Hundred Dollars
~$i~)0.00), the receipt and sufficiency of which is accepted through the signing of this
document, shall hold harmless and defend Collier County and its agents and employees fi.om
ail ~uirs and actions, including attorney's fees and all costs of litigation and judgments of any
name and description arising out of or incidental to the performance of this contract or work
performed thereunder. This provision shall also pertain to any claims brought against the
County by any employee of the named Contractor, any Subcontractor, or anyone directly or
indirectly employed by any of them. The Contractor's obligation under this provision shall not
be limited in any way by the agreed upon agreement price as shown in this Agreement or the
Contractor's limit of, or lack of, sufficient insurance protection. The first One Hundred
Dollars ($100.00) of money received on the agreement price is considered as payment of this
obligation by the County.
This section does not pertain to any incident :.~rising from the sole negligence of Collier
County.
20. THIS AGREEMENT shall be administered ~m 5ehalf of the County by the Solid Waste
Department.
21.
COMPO, NENT PARTS OF THIS AGREEMENT: This Agreement consists of the
at~ached .;omponent part'~, all of which are as ~,lx a part of the contract as if herein set out
verbatim Insurance Certificate(s) and .Exhibits :\ through F.
22. Si'B.~ECI' TO APPROI~RIATION. It is fur:i:~.:' cmderstood and agreed, by and between
thc parties herein that this Agreement is subjec: '~; appropriation by the Board of County
C~m~rnissi(~.'ners.
23. M()OIFI(2~TION No ,~aodification or change ~o the agreement shall be valid or binding
up~,n rhe pm'ties unless in 't~riting and executed by tt~c party or parties intended to be bound by
ir.
24. NO \YAIVEi~. The failure of the County to enforce at any time or for any period of time any
one ,;~: more o:;the provisions of the Agreement shall not be construed to be and shall not be a
w;~',.-~.r of any ,,a~ch provision or provisions or or' its right thereafter to enforce each and every
.r...~ ,~,,r, AGREEMENT. Each of the p,n~-,~ics hereto agrees and represents that the
Ag'-e~ment comprises the full and entire agrccmc~t between the parties affecting the Work
c, ........ ?,ated. and no other agreement or undersr~mding of any nature concerning the same
h;~:~ "een entered into or will be recognized, and that all negotiations, acts, work performed, or
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payments made prior to the execution hereof shall be deemed merged in, integrated and
superseded by the Agreement.
26.
SEVFe/tABILITY. Should any provision of the Agreement be determined by a court to be
unenforceable, such a determination shall not affect the validity or enforceability of any other
section or part thereof.
27.
CltANGE ORDER AUT}tORIZATION. The Project Manager shall have the authority on
behalf of the County to execute all change orders to the Agreement to the extent provided for
under the County's Purchasing Policy and accompanying Administrative Procedures and as
exhibited on the Change Order form attached hereto as Exhibit F.
28.
GOVERNING LAW: This Agreement shall be interpreted under and its performance
governed by the laws of the State of Florida. Any disputes of this Agreement shall be
governed by the Courts of Collier County, Florida.
29.
VENDOR PERFORMANCE EVALUATION. Collier County has implemented a Vendor
Performance Evaluation System for all contracts awarded in excess of $25,000. To this end,
the Contractor will be evaluated on its performance upon completion/termination of this
Agreement.
30.
YEAR 2000 COMPLIANCE. Collier County requires all vendors doing business with the
County to be Year 2000 compliant. Contractor shall take all necessary and appropriate steps
to proactively ensure that all technologies, systems, equipment and processes critical to the
Contractor's ability to provide required products/services to the County will be. able to
function properly as of January 1, 2000.
31.
BUY BACK PROVISION. If, after a twelve (12) month period following the acceptance of
the system, said system fails to control odor generated from Phase III of Cell 6, the
Contractor agrees to t~uy back the system at sixty percent (60%) of the original purchase
price of $248,880. Failure of said system to control odor will be determined solely by the
County based on events of odors generated from Phase III Cell 6 and detected outside the
total landfill site boundary. The Contractor will buy the system back within two hundred
seventy (270) days of notice by the County. The system will remain the property of the
County until payment is made. The Contractor will have ninety (90) days to remove the
system after payment.
IN WITNF~S WItEREOF, the Contractor and the County, have each, respectively, by a
authorized person or agent, hereunder set their hands and seals on the date and year first above
written.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
ATTEST:
r),,% z. ~ook, C~k o~ Cou~ ~y,i,,~/~~~/~.~c°m~ COUNTY, F~Om^ ~
.' BY: i ~/,,~. ~ .~e~\~,, i i5.~ · .~0 ~/~1¢. Mac'Kie, Chai/oman
First4Vit-m~ ...2
~vpe/'Drint Witness Name
Secon~imess
Type/Print Wi, tress Name
Eric'son~, //~
(~// ContraCtor ///
6//-' /~gn~re
Typed Signature
Title
CORN )RATE SEAL
( Corporations Only)
Approved as to ~oma and
Iv. gal ,<ulEciency::
}~bcrt gacha~'
/~sistant County ,~torney
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EXHIBIT A
SCHEDULE OF VALUES
One (1)Energy Saving Control System Soft:ware
Four (4) 100 hp Wind Machines
One (1) 100 hp Virtual Chimney
Eight (8) 10 hp Mariah Fans
One (1) System Engineering
One (1) Installation, Start-up and Testing
Five (5) 100 hp Starters and Disconnects
Eight (8) 10 hp Starters and Disconnects
20% Office Fee
$10,000.00 each
$20,000.00 each
$30,000.00 each
$5,000.00 each
$10,000.00 each
$25,000.00 each
$2,000.00 each
$300.00 each
$41,480.00 each
EXHIBIT B
FORM OF CONTRACT APPLICATION FOR PAYMENT
(County Project Manager)
.(County Department) Project No.
Collier County Board of County Commissioners (the OWNER)
Application Date
FRO.Xi: .(Contractor's Representative) Payment Application No.__
.(Contractor's Name) for Work accomplished through:
(Contractor's Address) the Date
RE: ~ (Project Name)
Original Contract Time:
Revised Contract Time:
Original Contract Amount: $
Total Change Orders to Date $
Revised Contract Amount $
Total value of Work Completed
and stored to Date $
compiered to Date:
Total earned Less Retainage $
Percent Contract
Less previous payment (s) $
Time completed t,o Date
\X1OUNT DUE THIS
x. P P LICATION:
ATTACH SC,JltEDULE OF VALUES AND AC('OXlPANYING DOCUMENTATION TO
THIS APPLIC..\TION
CONTRACTOR'S CERTIFICATION: The undersigned CONTRACTOR certifies that: (1) all
l?~evious progress payments received fi'om OWNF. R on account of Work done under the Contract
regerrcd ~o above ;[~ave been applied to discharge in full all obligations of CONTRACTOR
irrurreci in connectiov, with Work cow',red by prior .Applications for Payment numbered 1 through
.... reclusive; (2) ti'2'e to all materials and equipment incorporated in said Work or otherwise
list~zd i~: .r covered by' this Application for Paymen', v, iii pass to OWNER at time of payment free
and~ .:tc::r of all liens, claims, security interests and encumbrances (except such as covered by Bond
,~'- ';' ~ to O~VNER); (3) all amounts have been paid for work which previous payments were
acc,.,.t~,t_ ~
issued :,nd received from the OWNER and that current payment is now due; (4) and
CO: ~ t,,.',~CTOR agrees that all overruns as sho~n on the monthly estimate summary shall, in
fact. l:,.c .,ided to the revised contract and shall be incorporated into a future Change Order:
By CONTRACTOR: (Comractor's Name)
(Signature) DATE:
(Type Name & Title)
(shall be signed by a duly authorized representative of CONTRACTOR)
Payment to the CONTRACTOR for the above AMOUNT DUE THIS APPLICATION is
approved:
By OWNER'S Project Manager:
__.(signature) DATE:
(Type Name and Title)
l0
COLkNT¥ OF COLLIER )
STATE OF FLORIDA )
EX~I[BIT C
RELEASE AND AFFIDAVIT FORM
and
Before me, the undersigned
authority, personally appeared
who after being duly sworn, deposes
(1) In accordance with the Contract Documents and in consideration of $ paid,
("Contractor") releases and waives for itseff and it's
subcontractors, material-men, successors and assigns, all claims demands, damages, costs and expenses, whether
in commct or in tort, against the Board of County Commissioners of Collier County, Florida, relating in any way to
the performance of the Agreement between Contractor and Owner. dated ,1999 for the period
from to
(2) Contractor certifies for itseff and its subcontractors, matcrial-mcn, successors and assigns, that all charges for
labor, materials, supplies, lands, licenses and other expenses for which Owner might be sued or for which a lien or
a demnnd against any payment bond might be filed, have been l'ullx satisfied and paid.
(3) Contractor agrees to indemnify, defend and save harmless ( )x~ ncr from all demands or suits, actions, claims of
liens .or o thcr charges filed or asserted against the Owner a ris~ n~ out of the performance by Contractor of the Work
cox'cr~:ci by this Release and Affidavit.
(4) 'This Release and Affidavit is given in connection with Contractor's [monthly/final] Application for Payment
No.
CONTRACTOR
Presizi:m
WitI1C:~..< s
BY:
ITS;
D.ATE:
STATE
TI:o foregoing/~lrumcnt was acknowledged beforc mc ti,s__
1999. [:,. , as
day of
of
,a
[Corporate Seal]
corporation, on behalf of the corporation.
He/she is personally known to me or has produced
identification and did (did not) take an oath.
My Commission Expires:
(AFFIX OFFICIAL SEAL)
(Signature of Notary)
~egibly Printed)
Nota~, Public, State of
Commissioner No.:
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N OV 199
EXHIBIT D
CERTIFICATE OF SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION
OWN~ER' S Project No.
PROJECT:
ENGINEER'S Project No.
CONTRACTOR
Contract For
Contract Date
This Certificate of Substantial completion applies to all Work under the Contract documents or to
the following specified parts thereof:
To
OWNER
And
To
The Work to ~ich this Certificate applies has been inspected by authorized representatives of
OWNER. CON_TRACTOR AND DESIGN PROFESSIONAL, and that Work is hereby declared
to be substanti~l~ complete in accordance with the contract documents on:
DATE O F SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION
~ tentative list o£~ems to be completed or corrected is attached hereto. This list may not be all-
i~clusive, and the failure to include an item in it does not alter the responsibility of
~IDNTRACTOR to complete all the Work in accordance with the Contract Documents. The
it,ems tn the tentatix~e list shall be completed or corrected by CONTRACTOR within
days of the above d~te of Substantial Completion.
EJC~DC NO. 1910-8-D (1993 Edition)
Prepar~l b~, ~iic Engineers Joint Contract documents Committee and cndt~rscd by The Associated General contractors of
RePrinted! 5 ~: .~
The responsibilities between OWNER and CONTRACTOR for security, operation, safety,
maintenance, heat, utilities, insurance and warranties shall be as follows:
RESPONSIBILITIES:
OWNER:
CONTRACTOR:
The following documents are attached to and made a part of this Certificate:
This certificate do~ not constitute an acceptance of Work not in accordance with the Contract
Documents nor is it a release of CONTRACTOR'S obligation to complete the Work in
accordance with ~ Contract Documents.
CONTRACTOR am:epts this Certificate of Substantial Completion on
199
CONTRACTOR
By:
Type Name and Title
OW~R accepts this Certificate of Substantial Compl[etion on
1999
OWNER
By:
Type Name and Title
14
Project No.:
Contractor:
EXHIBIT E
FINAL PAYMENT CHECKLIST
Date: ., 2,000
The following items have been secured by the
for the Project known as
and have been reviewed and found to comply with the requirements of the Contract Documents.
Original Contract Amount:
Final Contract Amount:
Commencement Date:
Substantial Completion Time:
Final Completion Time:
Calendar Days.
Calendar Days.
YES NO
All Punch List items completed on
Warranties and Guarantees assigned to County (attach
to this form).
Effective date of General one year warranty from
Contractor is:
10,
11.
12.
2 copies of Operation and Maintenance manuals
for equipment and system submitted (list manuals in
attachment to this form).
Record drawings obtained and dated:
County personnel trained on system and equipment
operation.
Certificate of Occupancy No.:
issued on (attach to this
form).
Certificate of Substantial Completion issued on
Final Payment Application and Affidavits received from
Contractor on:
Consent of Surety received on
Operating Department personnel notified project is in
operating phase.
Other:
If any of the above are not applicable, indicate by N/A. If NO is checked for any of the above,
attach explanation.
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Acknowledgments: '~ OV - ~ '199~
By Contractor:
(Company Name)
~ (Signature)
(Typed Name & Title)
By Owner:
(Departmem Name)
(Signature)
(Name & Title)
CHANGE ORDER NO.
TO:
EXHIBIT F
CHANGE ORDER
CONTRACT NO.
DATE:
PROJECT NAME:
PROJECT NO.:
Under our AGREEMENT dated
You hereby are authorized and directed to make the following change(s) in accordance
with terms and conditions of the Agreement:
FOR THE (Additive) (Deductive) Sum of:
($. ).
Original Agreement Amount
Sum of Previous Chaages
This Change Order (Add) (Deduct) $
Present Agreement Amount
The time for completion shall be (increased/decreased) by calendar days due to this
Change Order. Accordingly, the Contract Time is now ( ) calendar days.
The substantial completion date is and the final completion date is
Your acceptance of this Change Order shall constitute a modification to our Agreement and will
be: performed subject to all the same terms and conditions as contained in our Agreement
indtcated above, as fully as if the same were repeated in this acceptance. The adjustment, if any,
to the Agreement shall constitute a full and final settlement of any and all claims of the Contractor
arising out of or related to the change set forth herein, including claims for impact and delay costs.
Accepted: , 1999
CONTRACTOR:
OWNER:
17
By:
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
OF COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
By:
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November 9, 1999
Item #16Cl - DELETED
Item #16C2
AGREEMENT FOR SALE AND PURCHASE WITH MR. WILLIAM A. DONOVAN AND MS.
PATRICIA ANNE GRANADOS (f/k/a PATRICIA ANNE DONOVAN) FOR ADDITIONAL
PROPERTY NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE FUTURE NORTH NAPLES REGIONAL PARK IN
THE AMOUNT OF $193,200.00.
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AGREEM~FOR SALE AND PURCHASE
THIS AGREE~MENT is made and entered into by and be~een Wi{{iam A. Donovan
and Patricia'AmTe'Granados (f/k/a Patricia Anne Donovan), whose mailing address
is 2664 Airport Road South, Naples, Florida 34112, (hereinafter referred to as "Seller"),
and Collier County, a political subdivision of the State of Florida, whose address is
3301 Tamiami Trail East, Naples, Florida 34112, (hereinafter referred to as
"Purchaser").
WITNESSETH
WHEREAS, Seller is the owner of that certain parcel of real property (hereinafter
referred to as "Property"), located in Collier County, State of Florida, and being more
particularly described as follows:
The Southwest 1/4 of the Southeast 1/4 of the Northwest 1/4 of the Southwest 1/4
of the Southwest 1/4 of Section 30, Township 48 South, Range 26 East, Collier
County, Florida, excepting therefrom, the South 30 feet and the West 30 feet, as
recorded in Official Record Book 2316, Page 3500 of the Public Records of Collier
County, Florida. (Folio #00198960007FFax Parcel 54)
AND
The South 1/2 of the Southwest 1/4 of the Southwest 1/4 of the Northwest 1/4,
less and excepting the West 30 feet and the South 30 feet; AND the South 1/2 of
the Northeast 1/4 of the Southwest 1/4 of the Southwest 1/4 of the Northwest 1/4,
being situate and lying in Section 30, Township 48 South, Range 26 East, Collier
County, Florida, as recorded in Official Record Book 376, Page 573 of the Public
Records of Collier County, Florida. (Folio #00198640000FFax Parcel 46)
WHEREAS, Purchaser is desirous of purchasing the Property, subject to the conditions
and other agreements hereinafter set forth, and Seller is agreeable to such sale and to
such conditions and agreements.
NOW, THEREFORE, and for and in consideration of the premises and the respective
undertakings of the parties hereinafter set forth and the sum of Ten Dollars ($10.00),
the receipt and sufficiency of which is hereby acknowledged, it is agreed as follows:
I. AGREEMENT
1.01 In consideration of the purchase price and upon the terms and conditions
hereinafter set forth, Seller shall sell to Purchaser and Purchaser shall purchase
from Seller the Property, described above. The purchase of Tax Parcel 46 is
contingent upon the purchase of Tax Parcel 54 and visa versa.
II. PAYMENT OF PURCHASE PRICE
2.01 The purchase price (the "Purchase Price") for the Property shall be TWELVE
THOUSAND AND SIX HUNDRED AND NO/100 DOLLARS ($12,600) for Tax
Parcel 54 and ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY SEVEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED
EIGHTY FIVE AND NO/100 DOLLARS ($177,585) for Tax Parcel 46, for a total
Purchase Price of ONE HUNDRED NINETY THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED
EIGHTY FIVE AND NO/100 DOLLARS ($190,185), (U.S. Currency) payable at
time of closing.
III. CLOSING
3.01 The Closing (THE "CLOSING DATE", "DATE OF CLOSING", OR
"CLOSING") of the transaction shall be held on or before ninety (90) days following
execution of this Agreement by the Purchaser unless extended by mutual written
agreement of the parties hereto. The Closing shall be held at the Collier County
Attorney's Office, Administration Building, 3301 Tamiami Trail East, Naples,
Florida. The procedure to be followed by the parties in connection with the
Closing shall be as follows:
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3.011 Seller shall convey a marketable title free of any liens, encumbrances,
exceptions, or qualifications. Marketable title shall be determined according to
applicable title standards adopted by the Florida Bar and in accordance with
law. Prior to Closing, the Seller shall cause to be delivered to the Purchaser
the items specified herein and the following documents and instruments duly
executed and acknowledged, in recordable form:
3.0111 Warranty Deed in favor of Purchaser conveying title to the
Property, free and clear of all liens and encumbrances other than:
(a) The lien for current taxes and assessments.
(b) Such other easements, restrictions or conditions of record.
3.0112 Combined Purchaser-Seller closing statement.
3.0113 A "Gap," Tax Proration, Owner's and Non-Foreign Affidavit," as
required by Section 1445 of the Internal Revenue Code and as required
by the title insurance underwriter in order to insure the "gap" and issue
the policy contemplated by the title insurance commitment.
3.0114 A W-9 Form, "Request for Taxpayer Identification and
Certification" as required by the Internal Revenue Service.
3.0115 A Quitclaim Deed in favor of Purchaser conveying any interest to
that property described as: The West 30 feet and the South 30 feet of
the South 1/2 of the Southwest 1/4 of the Southwest 1/4 of the
Northwest 1/4, being situate and lying in Section 30, Township 48
South, Range 26 East, Collier County, Florida.
3.0116 Voluntary Dismissal of the action entitled Patricia A. Granados
and William ^. Donovan, Plaintiffs, vs. John N. Brugger, Trustee,
Defendant, Case No. 99-3445-CA, and Release of the Lis Pendens
filed on October 22, 1999 recorded in Official Records Book 2604, Page
1481.
3.012 At the Closing, the Purchaser, or its assignee, shall cause to be delivered to
the Seller the following:
3.0121 A negotiable instrument (County Warrant) in an amount equal to
the Purchase Price. No funds shall be disbursed to Seller until the Title
Company verifies that the state of the title to the Property has not
changed adversely since the date of the last endorsement to the
commitment, referenced in Section 4.011 thereto, and the Title
Company is irrevocably committed to pay the Purchase Price to Seller
and to issue the Owner's title policy to Purchaser in accordance with the
commitment immediately after the recording of the deed.
3.0122 Funds payable to the Seller representing the cash payment due
at Closing in accordance with Article III hereof, shall be subject to
adjustment for prorations as hereinafter set forth.
3.02 Each party shall be responsible for payment of its own attorney's fees. Seller,
at its sole cost and expense, shall pay at Closing all documentary stamp taxes due
relating to the recording of the Warranty Deed, in accordance with Chapter 201.01,
Florida Statutes, and the cost of recording any instruments necessary to clear
Seller's title to the Property including the recording of the Quit Claim Deed and
Dismissal, and Release, as referenced in Paragraph 3.011. The cost of the
Owner's Form B Title Policy, issued pursuant to the Commitment provided for in
Section 4.011 below, shall be paid by Purchaser. The cost of the title
commitments shall be paid by Purchaser.
3.03 Purchaser shall pay for the cost of recording the Warranty Deed. Real
Property taxes shall be prorated based on the current year's tax with due
allowance made for maximum allowable discount, homestead and any other
applicable exemptions and paid by Seller. If Closing occurs at a date which the
current year's millage is not fixed, taxes will be prorated based upon such prior
year's millage.
IV. REQUIREMENTS AND..CONDITIONS
4.01 Upon execution of this Agreement by both parties or at such other time as
specified within this Article, Purchaser and/or Seller, as the case may be, shall
perform the following within the times stated, which shall be conditions precedent
to the Closing;
4.011 Within fifteen (15) days after the date hereof, Purchaser shall obtain
as evidence of title an ALTA Commitment for an Owner's Title Insurance
Policy (ALTA Form B-1970) covering the Property, issued by Attorneys' Title
Insurance Fund, Inc. or Chicago Title, together with hard copies of all
exceptions shown thereon. Purchaser shall have thirty (30) days, following
receipt of the title insurance commitment, to notify Seller in writing of any
objection to title other than liens evidencing monetary obligations, if any,
which obligations shall be paid at closing. If the title commitment contains
exceptions that make the title unmarketable, Purchaser shall deliver to the
Seller written notice of its intention to waive the applicable contingencies or to
terminate this Agreement.
4.012 If Purchaser shall fail to advise the Seller in writing of any such
objections in Seller's title in the manner herein required by this Agreement, the
title shall be deemed acceptable. Upon notification of Purchaser's objection to
title, Seller shall have thirty (30) days to remedy any defects in order to convey
good and marketable title, except for liens or monetary obligations which will
be satisfied at Closing. Seller, at its sole expense, shall use its best efforts to
make such title good and marketable. In the event Seller is unable to cure
said objections within said time period, Purchaser, by providing written notice
to Seller within seven (7) days after expiration of said thirty (30) day period,
may accept title as it then is, waiving any objection; or Purchaser may
terminate the Agreement. A failure by Purchaser to give such written notice of
termination within the time period provided herein shall be deemed an election
by Purchaser to accept the exceptions to title as shown in the title
commitment.
4.013 Purchaser shall have the option, at its own expense, to obtain a current
survey of the Property prepared by a surveyor licensed by the State of Florida.
Seller agrees to furnish any existing surveys of the Property, if any, to
Purchaser within thirty (30) days of execution of this Agreement.
V. APPRAISAL PERIOD
5.01 Purchaser shall have ninety (90) days from the date of this Agreement
(Appraisal Period), to obtain the required appraisal(s) in order to determine the
value of the Property pursuant to the requirements of Florida Statutes 125.355.
5.02 If Purchaser is not satisfied, for any reason whatsoever, with the results of
the independent appraisal(s), Purchaser shall deliver to the Seller within thirty
(30) days from the expiration of the Appraisal Period, written notice of its intention
to waive the applicable contingencies or to terminate this Agreement. If
Purchaser fails to notify the Seller in writing of its specific objections as provided
herein, it shall be deemed that the Purchaser is satisfied with the results of its
investigation and the contingencies of this Article V shall be deemed waived. In
the event Purchaser elects to terminate this Agreement copies of the appraisal
reports shall be furnished to the Seller.
5.03 Seller acknowledges that if the agreed Purchase Price stated in Paragraph
2.01 exceeds the average of two (2) independent appraisals, if obtained, the
Purchaser is required to approve the purchase by an extraordinary vote. If such
vote is not obtained, then this Agreement shall terminate and the parties shall
bear their own costs.
VI. INSPECTION PERIOD
6.01 Purchaser-shall have ninety (90) days from the date of this Agreement,
("Inspection Period"), to determine through appropriate investigation that:
1. Soil tests and engineering studies indicate that the Property can be developed
without any abnormal demucking, soil stabilization or foundations.
2. There are no abnormal drainage or environmental requirements to the
development of the Property.
3. The Property is in compliance with all applicable State and Federal
environmental laws and the Property is free from any pollution or
contamination.
4. The Property can be utilized for its intended purpose.
6.02 If Purchaser is not satisfied, for any reason whatsoever, with the results of
any investigation, Purchaser shall deliver to Seller prior to the expiration of the
Inspection Period, written notice of its intention to waive the applicable
contingencies or to terminate this ^greement. If Purchaser fails to notify the Seller
in writing of its specific objections as provided herein within the Inspection Period,
it shall be deemed that the Purchaser is satisfied with the results of its
investigations and the contingencies of this Article VI shall be deemed waived. In
the event Purchaser elects to terminate this Agreement because of the right of
inspection, Purchaser shall deliver to Seller copies of all engineering reports and
environmental and soil testing results commissioned by Purchaser with respect to
the Property.
6.03 Purchaser and its agents, employees and servants shall, at their own risk and
expense, have the right to go upon the Property for the purpose of surveying and
conducting site analyses, soil borings and all other necessary investigation.
Purchaser shall, in performing such tests, use due care and shall indemnify Seller
on account of any loss or damages occasioned thereby and against any claim
made against Seller as a result of Purchaser's entry. Seller shall be notified by
Purchaser no less than twenty four (24) hours prior to said inspection of the
Property.
7.01 Seller acknowledges that the Purchaser, or its authorized agents, shall have
the right to inspect the Property at any time prior to the Closing.
VIII. POSSESSION
8.01 Purchaser shall be entitled to full possession of the Property at Closing.
IX. PRORATIONS
9.01 Ad valorem taxes next due and payable, after closing on the Property, shall
be prorated at Closing based upon the gross amount of 1998 taxes, and shall be
paid by Seller.
X. TERMINATION AND REMEDIES
10.01 If Seller shall have failed to perform any of the covenants and/or
agreements contained herein which are to be performed by Seller, within ten (10)
days of written notification of such failure, Purchaser may, at its option, terminate
this Agreement by giving written notice of termination to Seller. Purchaser shall
have the right to seek and enforce all rights and remedies available at law or in
equity to a contract vendee, including the right to seek specific performance of
this Agreement.
10.02 If the Purchaser has not terminated this Agreement pursuant to any of the
provisions authorizing such termination, and Purchaser fails to close the
transaction contemplated hereby or otherwise fails to perform any of the terms,
covenants and conditions of this Agreement as required on the part of Purchaser
to be performed, provided Seller is not in default, then as Seller's sole remedy,
Seller shall have the right to terminate and cancel this Agreement by giving written
notice thereof to Purchaser, whereupon one percent (1%) of the purchase price
shall be paid to Seller as liquidated damages which shall be Seller's sole and
exclusive remedy, and neither party shall have any further liability or obligation to
the other except as set forth in paragraph 12.01 hereof. The parties acknowledge
and agree that Seller's actual damages in the event of Purchaser's default are
uncertain in amount and difficult to ascertain, and that said amount of liquidated
damages was reasonably determined by mutual agreement between the parties,
and said sum was not intended to be a penalty in nature.
10.03 Should any litigation or other action be commenced between the parties
concerning the Property or this Agreement, the party prevailing in such litigation or
other action shall be entitled, in addition to such relief as may be granted, to a
reasonable sum for its attorney's fees, paralegal charges and all fees and costs
for appellate proceedings in such litigation or other action; which sum may be
determined by the court or in a separate action brought for that purpose.
10.04 The parties acknowledge that the remedies described herein and in the
other provisions of this Agreement provide mutually satisfactory and sufficient
remedies to each of the parties, and take into account the peculiar risks and
expenses of each of the parties.
Xl. SELLER'S AND PURCHASER'S REPRESENTATIONS AND WARRANTIES
11.01 Seller and Purchaser represent and warrant the following:
11.011 Seller and Purchaser have full right and authority to enter into and to
execute this Agreement and to undertake all actions and to perform all tasks
required of each hereunder. Seller is not presently the subject of a pending,
threatened or contemplated bankruptcy proceeding.
11.012 Seller has full right, power, and authority to own and operate the
Property, and to execute, deliver, and perform its obligations under this
Agreement and the instruments executed in connection herewith, and to
consummate the transaction contemplated hereby. All necessary
authorizations and approvals have been obtained authorizing Seller and
Purchaser to execute and consummate the transaction contemplated hereby.
At Closing, certified copies of such approvals shall be delivered to Purchaser
and/or Seller, if necessary.
11.013 The warranties set forth in this paragraph shall be true on the date of
this Agreement and as of the date of Closing. Purchaser's acceptance of a
deed to the said Property shall not be deemed to be full performance and
discharge of every agreement and obligation on the part of the Seller to be
performed pursuant to the provisions of this Agreement.
11.014 Seller represents that it has no knowledge of any actions, suits, claims,
proceedings, litigation or investigations pending or threatened against Seller,
at law, equity or in arbitration before or by any federal, state, municipal or
other governmental instrumentality that relate to this agreement or any other
property that could, if continued, adversely affect Seller's ability to sell the
Property to Purchaser according to the terms of this Agreement.
11.015 No party or person other than Purchaser has any right or option to
acquire the Property or any portion thereof.
11.016 Until the date fixed for Closing, so long as this Agreement remains in
force and effect, Seller shall not encumber or convey any portion of the
Property or any rights therein, nor enter into any agreements granting any
person or entity any rights with respect to the Property or any part thereof,
without first obtaining the written consent of Purchaser to such conveyance,
encumbrance, or agreement which consent may be withheld by Purchaser for
any reason whatsoever.
11.017 Seller represents that there are no incinerators, septic tanks or
cesspools on the Property; all waste, if any, is discharged into a public sanitary
sewer system; Seller represents that they have (it has) no knowledge that any
pollutants are or have been discharged from the Property, directly or indirectly
into any body of water. Seller represents the Property has not been used for
the production, handling, storage, transportation, manufacture or disposal of
hazardous or toxic substances or wastes, as such terms are defined in
applicable laws and regulations, or any other activity that would have toxic
results, and no such hazardous or toxic substances are currently used in
connection with the operation of the Property, and there is no proceeding or
inquiry by any authority with respect thereto. Seller represents that they have
(it has) no knowledge that there is ground water contamination on the Property
or potential of ground water contamination from neighboring properties. Seller
represents no storage tanks for gasoline or any other substances are or were
located on the Property at any time during or prior to Seller's ownership
thereof. Seller represents none of the Property has been used as a sanitary
landfill.
11.018 Seller has no knowledge that the Property and Seller's operations
concerning the Property are in violation of any applicable Federal, State or
local statute, law or regulation, or of any notice from any governmental body
has been served upon Seller claiming any violation of any law, ordinance,
code or regulation or requiring or calling attention to the need for any work,
repairs, construction, alterations or installation on or in connection with the
Property in order to comply with any laws, ordinances, codes or regulation with
which Seller has not complied.
11.019 There are no unrecorded restrictions, easements or rights of way
(other than existing zoning regulations) that restrict or affect the use of the
Property, and there are no maintenance, construction, advertising,
management, leasing, employment, service or other contracts affecting the
Property.
11.020 Seller has no knowledge that there are any suits, actions or
arbitration, bond issuances or proposals therefor, proposals for public
improvement assessments, pay-back agreements, paving agreements, road
expansion or improvement agreements, utility moratoriums, use moratoriums,
improvement moratoriums, administrative or other proceedings or
governmental investigations or requirements, formal or informal, existing or
pending or threatened which affects the Property or which adversely affects
Seller's ability to perform hereunder; nor is there any other charge or expense
upon or related to the Property which has not been disclosed to Purchaser in
writing prior to the effective date of this Agreement.
11.021 Seller acknowledges and agrees that Purchaser is entering into this
Agreement based upon Seller's representations stated above and on the
understanding that Seller will not cause the zoning or physical condition of the
Property to change from its existing state on the effective date of this
Agreement up to and including the Date of Closing. Therefore, Seller agrees
not to enter into any contracts or agreements pertaining to or affecting the
Property and not to do any act or omit to perform any act which would change
the zoning or physical condition of the Property or the governmental
ordinances or laws governing same. Seller also agrees to notify Purchaser
promptly of any change in the facts contained in the foregoing representations
and of any notice or proposed change in the zoning, or any other action or
notice, that may be proposed or promulgated by any third parties or any
governmental authorities having jurisdiction of the development of the property
which may restrict or change any other condition of the Property.
11.022 At the Closing, Seller shall deliver to Purchaser a statement
(hereinafter called the "Closing Representative Statement") reasserting the
foregoing representations as of the Date of Closing, which provisions shall
survive the Closing.
11.023 Seller represents, warrants and agrees to indemnify, reimburse, defend
and hold Purchaser harmless from any and all costs (including attorney's fees)
asserted against, imposed on or incurred by Purchaser, directly or indirectly,
pursuant to or in connection with the application of any federal, state, local or
common law relating to pollution or protection of the environment which shall
be in accordance with, but not limited to, the Comprehensive Environmental
Response, Compensation, and Liability Act of 1980, 42 U.S.C. Section 9601,
et seq., ("CERCLA" or "Superfund"), which was amended and upgraded by the
Superfund Amendment and Reauthorization Act of 1986 ("SARA"), including
any amendments or successor in function to these acts. This provision and
the rights of Purchaser, hereunder, shall survive Closing and are not deemed
satisfied by conveyance of title.
11.024 Any loss and/or damage to the Property between the date of this
Agreement and the date of Closing shall be Seller's sole risk and expense.
XII. NOTICES
12.01 Any notice, request, demand, instruction or other communication to be
given to either party hereunder shall be in writing, sent by registered, or certified
mail, return receipt requested, postage prepaid, addressed as follows:
If to Purchaser:
Real Property Management Department
Administration Building
3301 Tamiami Trail East
Naples, Florida 34112
With a copy to:
Heidi F. Ashton
Assistant County Attorney
Office of the County Attorney
Administration Building
3301 Tamiami Trail East
Naples, Florida 34112
If to Seller:
Mr. William Donovan and Ms. Patricia Granados
2664 Airport Road South
Naples, Florida 34112
12.02 The addressees and addresses for the purpose of this Article may be
changed by either party by giving written notice of such change to the other party
in the manner provided herein. For the purpose of changing such addresses or
addressees only, unless and until such written notice is received, the last
addressee and respective address stated herein shall be deemed to continue in
effect for all purposes.
XlII. REAL ESTATE BROKERS
13.01 Any and all brokerage commissions or fees shall be the sole responsibility
of the Seller. Seller shall indemnify Purchaser and hold Purchaser harmless from
and against any claim or liability for commission or fees to any broker or any other
person or party claiming to have been engaged by Seller as a real estate broker,
salesman or representative, in connection with this Agreement. Seller agrees to
pay any and all commissions or fees at closing pursuant to the terms of a
separate agreement, if any.
XlV. MISCELLANEOUS
14.01 This Agreement may be executed in any manner of counterparts which
together shall constitute the agreement of the parties.
14.02 This Agreement and the terms and provisions hereof shall be effective as of
the date this Agreement is executed by both parties and shall inure to the benefit
of and be binding upon the parties hereto and their respective heirs, executors,
personal representatives, successors, successor trustee, and assignees
whenever the context so requires or admits.
14.03 Any amendment to this Agreement shall not bind any of the .parties hereof
unless such amendment is in writing and executed and dated by Purchaser and
Seller. Any amendment to this Agreement shall be binding upon Purchaser and
Seller as soon as it has been executed by both parties.
14.04 Captions and section headings contained in this Agreement are for
convenience and reference only; in no way do they define, describe, extend or
limit the scope or intent of this Agreement or any provisions hereof.
14.05 All terms and words used in this Agreement, regardless of the number and
gender in which used, shall be deemed to include any other gender or r~umber as
the context or the use thereof may require.
14.06 No waiver of any provision of this Agreement shall be effective unless it is in
writing signed by the party against whom it is asserted, and any waiver of any
provision of this Agreement shall be applicable only to the specific instance to
which it is related and shall not be deemed to be a continuing or future waiver as
to such provision or a waiver as to any other provision.
14.07 If any date specified in this Agreement falls on a Saturday, Sunday or legal
holiday, then the date to which such reference is made shall be extended to the
next succeeding business day.
14.08 Seller is aware of and understands that the "offer" to purchase represented
by this Agreement is subject to acceptance and approval by the Board of County
Commissioners of Collier County, Florida.
14.09 If the Seller holds the .Property in the form of a partnership, limited
partnership, corporation, trust or any form of representative capacity whatsoever
for others, Seller shall make a written public disclosure, according to Chapter 286,
Florida Statutes, under oath, of the name and address of every person having a
beneficial interest in the Property before Property held in such capacity is
conveyed to Collier County. (If the corporation is registered with the Federal
Securities Exchange Commission or registered pursuant to Chapter 517, Florida
Statutes, whose stock is for sale to the general public, it is hereby exempt from
the provisions of Chapter 286, Florida Statutes.)
14.10 This Agreement is governed and construed in accordance with the laws of
the State of Florida.
XV. ENTIRE AGREEMENT
15.01 This Agreement and the exhibits attached hereto contain the entire
agreement between the parties, and no promise, representation, warranty or
covenant not included in this Agreement or any such referenced agreements has
been or is being relied upon by either party. No modification or amendment of this
Agreement shall be of any force or effect unless made in writing and executed
and dated by both Purchaser and Seller. Time is of the essence of this
Agreement.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties hereto set forth their hands seals.
Dated Project/Acquisition Approved by
BCC: .IGn~!. (~. ¢l.e,,~t
AS TO PURCHASER:
: .ii, '" DWIGHT E; BROCK, Clerk
DATED:
/~ESSES:
~-~' (Signature)
(Printed Name)
(Signature) ~ -
(Printed Name) "-' --
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
Pamela S. Mac'Kie, Chairwoman
Wi~'iam A. Donovan j
WITNESSES:
i~,,,_ (P~,~ted I~me) .,~ ,_
(Printed Namel
Approved as to form and
legal sufficiency:
Heidi F. Ashton
Assistant County Attorney
November 9, 1999
Item #16C3
ADDITIONS TO AGREEMENTS AND RUN-TIME LIBRARY USE LICENSE AGREEMENT
WITH DATA RESEARCH ASSOCIATES, INC. FOR NEW SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE
Page 172
ADDITION TO AGREEMENTS
BETWEEN
DATA RESEARCH ASSOCIATES, INC.
~ !999 ·
AND
COLLIER COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
WHEREAS, DATA RESEARCH ASSOCIATES, INC. ("DRA") and COLLIER COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS ("Customer") are parties to an Agreement for the purchase of an automated library system dated June
9, 1992, as amended, ("Agreement") and Agreement for Software Support, Maintenance and Update Service, dated June 9,
1992, as amended ("Support Agreement"); and
WHEREAS, DRA has completed its obligations under the Agreement; and
WHEREAS, Customer desires to upgrade its system with the purchase of additional equipment, under the terms and
conditions specified herein;
THEREFORE, in consideration of the mutual covenants herein, and for other good and valuable consideration, the
undersigned parties hereby agree to the following additions to the Agreement:
Customer shall purchase from DR.A, the additional produces at the prices set forth on Appendix A, attached hereto
and incorporated herein.
Customer shall pay DRA for said additional products within thirty (30) days following delivery to Customer's site
and receipt of an invoice therefor. Customer shall pay DRA for miscellaneous expenses and services within thirty
(30) days of receipt of an invoice therefor.
The hardware listed Appendix A is warranted against defects in workmanship and materials in accordance with the
provisions stated in Appendix A.
DRA's sole responsibility under this warranty shall be to either repair or replace, at its option, the allegedly
defective product.
EXCEPT AS PRO¥1DED HEREIN, DRA MAKES NO OTHER WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR
IMPLIED, AS TO ANY MATTER WHATSOEVER, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE
CONDITION OF THE PRODUCT(S), THEIR MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR ANY
PARTICULAR PURP.,OSE.
DRA agrees to the trmsfer of the Applications Software licenses for the products known as MAR, CIR, PAC,
ACQ, SER, PH-NO?, PH-REN, OBC-LICENSE, DRAI, (8)NETWRK-MANG, ORBIX and Web2 from
Customer's VAX 43~ processor, to an AlphaServer 1200 5/533 processor, for use by Customer pursuant to the
provisions of the Agreement and the provisions stated herein, in consideration for payment of the license fees
stated in Appendix A.
Customer agrees that Ul~en transfer of the Applications Software to the AlphaServer 1200 5/533 processor, that
t~he AlphaServer 1200 5d533 processor shall be the only processor licensed to use the Applications Software, and
?~'ustomer shall certify that all copies of the software on the original VAX processor have been destroyed.
~ll'te license fees stated here[~ are conditioned upon Customer's use of the Applications Software on no more than
oae hundred and ten (110) simultaneous sessions. In the event that Customer desires to use the Applications
S~.l~vare on more than one hundred and ten (110) simultaneous sessions, Customer shall provide written notice
to I)[;LA of such intent. In such event, DRA may charge Customer additional license fees.
Castomer desires to purchase additional sofb, vare licenses ("New Software") for the license fees stated in
Appendix A attached hereto and incorporated herein. Customer agrees to pay the license fees within thirty (30)
days following receipt of the New Software and an invoice therefor. Except as otherwise stated herein, the
Applications Software license purchased herein is subject to the same license terms and conditions as set forth in
the Agreement between the parties concerning other DRA Applications Software modules.
Page !
Except
remain
NOV - 9 1999
The parties acknowledge that Customer has previously purchased from DRA, a license for the Report Writer
software module provided by Ross Systems, Inc., and Customer desires to cease using this version of the Report
Writer software module, and instead license use of the Report Writer product marketed by DRA, produced by
Interactive Software Systems, Inc. called "UDMS Report Writer".
Customer is hereby granted a nontransferable, nonexclusive limited license to use the UDMS Repor~ Writer
software module on Customer's AlphaServer 1200 $/S33 processor, with a maximum of one hundred and ten
(110) Simultaneous Sessions. Customer and DRA agree that the AlphaServer 1200 $/~33 processor shall be thc
only processor licensed to run the UDMS Report Writer software module, and that this software module is subject
to the same intellectual property protection and confidentiality requirements as set forth concerning DRA
Applications Software in the Agreement between the parties.
Maintenance and support services for the UDMS Report Writer module will be provided by DRA under the
provisions of the Support Agreement, in lieu of support for the Ross Report Writer. Customer acknowledges and
agrees that beginning ninety (90) days following installation of the UDMS Report Writer software module, any
use by Customer of the Ross Report Writer software module will not be supported by DRA under the Support
Agreement.
The parties agree that the Support Agreement shall be amended to include the maintenance fees stated in Appendix
A for the DRA Applications Software, in lieu of those fees currently being paid for those products, such fees to be
payable beginning thirty (30) days following transfer of the software to the AlphaServer 1200 ~/$33 processor.
Monthly maintenance fees for the New Software will apply beginning ninety (90) days following installation of
those products.
The provisions of this Agreement may only be modified in writing, and is binding only if executed by a
representative of DRA and a representative of Customer authorized to execute legally binding agreements on each
party's behalf.
as hereinabove amended, the Agreements between the parties are unchanged, and the applicable portions shall
in full force and effect.
Assistan[ County Attorney
/ - Witne.~l/-r
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, A
POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE /
DATA RESEARCH ASSOCIATES, INC.
~-.~_~ichnel~~nge~, President nndC~
(CORPORATE SEAL)
Page 2
DRA OUOTATION
QTE99016821
Data
Research Associates, Inc.
Price Quotation
October 1, 1999
Prevared for:
Collier County Public Library
VAX to ALPHA 1200 Upgrade
Hardware
I DRA Classic AlphaServer 1200 5/533 Upgrade
Unit Purchase
Price Price
Monthly
Maintenance
39,962.00 39,962.00 219.00
Software
1
1
l
I
1
I
l
Subtotal Hardware
Muitinet Downgrade or Lateral Transfer to Alpha
PSC Multinet Media/Documentation on CD-ROM
DRA Multinet Monthly Standard Maintenance - Wrkgrp
UDMS Report Writer Software
DRA UDMS Documcmtation - VMS Version
Iona Orbix Administrators Guide
DRA Classic Alpha WEB2 Documentation Kit
DRA
[ORA
D~A
DInA
DRA
DRA
Transfer of DRA Software License
Cataloging Software License for 110 Users
Circulation Software License for I 10 Users
Public Access Software License for 110 Users
Acquisitions Software License for 1 I0 Users
Serials Software License for I I0 Users
9:28:17AM
39,962.00 219.00
250.00 250.00
125.00 125.00
0.00 0.00
0.00 0.00
200.00 200.00
22.00 22.00
55.00 55.00
35.00
0.00 0.00
0.00 0.00 359.00
0.00 0.00 307.00
0.00 0.00 230.00
0.00 0.00 230.00
0.00 0.00 230.00
DRA OUOTATION
QTE99016821
DRA Telephone Notice Software License/110 Users
DRA Telephone Renewal Software License/110 Users
DRA Offline Circulation Backup Software License
DRA Z39.50 Client/Server Software Lic./110 Users
lona Orbix Server License
DRA Web2 Software License for 110 Users
Report Writer Software License for 110 Users
DRA Services
1
1
8
Subtotal Software
Unit
Price
0.00
0.00
0.00
0.00
0.00
0.00
0.00
October 1, 1999
Pu rch ase Mon th ly
Price Maintenance
0.00 37.OO
0.00 27.00
0.00 5.00
0.00 480.00
0.00 63.00
0.00
0.00 250.00
652.00 2,253.00
DRA Custom Software Configuration Fee
DRA Installation/Configuration of WEB2 Software
DRA Network Monitoring Services Setup
Subtotal DRA Services
3,000.00 3,000.00
750.00 750.00
0.00 0.00
3,750.00
400.00
400.00
Subtotal: ~
$44,~64.00 $2,872.00
To tal: $44,364.00
This price quotation is subject to DRA General Terms and Conditions.
9:28:17AM
RUN-TIME LIBRARY USE LICEN3E AGREEMENT
THIS AGREEMENT, is made and entered into this .O~day of ~!0~.~..~.~,~,o , 19~, by and
between DATA RESEARCH ASSOCIATES, INC., a Missouri Corporation, with principal offices at 1276 North
Watson Road, St. Louis, Missouri 63132 ("DRA") and COLLIER COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS, located at 650 Central Avenue, Naples, Florida 33940 ("Customer").
WHEREAS, Customer has been granted a license to use library automation soRware ("Licensed Applications
Software") from DRA pursuant to that certain Agreement dated June 9, 1992; and
WHEREAS, Customer has been granted a license for the use of certain third party software products ("Report
Generator") in conjunction with the Licensed Applications Sofrware pursuant to a software license agreement of
even-date herewith;
NOW, THEREFORE, for and in consideration of the mutual promises made by each party to the other, and other
good and valuable consideration, the receipt and sufficiency of which is hereby acknowledged, the parties enter into
this Agreement concerning use of any proprietary property, including, but not limited to source code products, run-
time libraries and/or documentation which may become available to Customer for use of the Report Generator in
conjunction with the DRA Licensed Applications Software, under the following terms and conditions:
1. Scope.
Except as provided for herein, this Agreement in no way modifies the respective responsibilities of Customer, DRA,
or any third party licensor under the above-referenced Agreements. Use of source code products, including run-time
library and documentation under the provisions of this Agreement is in addition to the licensing provisions of the
above-referenced Agreements, which shall remain in full force and effect.
2. Proprietary Property.
Use by Customer of the Report Generator and documentation in conjunction with the DRA Licensed Applications
Software, may provide Customer with access to file layouts, processes, routines and source code products which are
proprietary property and trade secrets of DRA. Customer acknowledges that the documentation, storage
compilation, formats, layouts, processes, routines and source code products, constitute proprietary property and
trade secret information of DRA, and are protected by federal copyright law and are subject to the license provisions
of the original license agreements. Customer agrees that in the event such proprietary information becomes
available to them through the use of the licensed sof~vare products and/or documentation, that such information will
only be used in accordance with the license provisions and confidentiality provisions herein.
3. Description of Source Code.
Source code products may include text files used by the MACRO, BASIC, C or other language compilers to produce
object modules for linkage into applications programs. The source code tape may contain source code, batch files
for compiling and linking software, and any documentation available in machine-readable form to assist in
compiling and linking the code. Customer acknowledges that compilation and linking the source code require
compilers not supplied to Customer as part of this Agreement but which are available at extra cost from DRA or the
manufacturer. Customer acknowledges that compilation, linking, editing, and/or modifying the source code will
require technical expertise in using the operating system, relevant compilers, and software, and that DRA is under
no obligation to assist or supply such expertise.
Run-Time Library includes prewritten, commonly-used routines to perform specific report preparation, writing, and
supporting tasks.
Source code products may also include description files which contain detailed file layouts and contents. Customer
acknowledges that the use of the description files in conjunction with additional software modules available from a
third party licensor, may result in data file modification and/or generate support issues requiring expertise, for which
DRA is under no obligation to assist or supply such expertise.
RUN-TIME LIBRARY USE LICENSE AGREEMENT
Page I
4. Confidentiality.
Customer agrees that, irrespective of the reason for its use of the source code products, such source code products
are strictly confidential and may be disclosed only to agents and employees of Customer, who shall be advised of
these provisions, and who shall agree to execute nondisclosure agreements, if requested. Customer agrees that the
source code products and all modifications and changes to the source code products, are the proprietary property of
DRA, and Customer may not sell, assign, lease, or otherwise provide said source code products or any part thereof,
or any programs compiled, process or routines using any part of said source code products, or any knowledge gained
from the use of the source code products, to any other person or entity, regardless of modification, without the
express written consent of DRA, its successors and assigns.
Customer covenants not to reverse engineer or otherwise recreate the form of expression or underlying ideas,
(collectively "Recreate") contained in any portion of the DRA Licensed Applications Software or source code
products, nor permit others to do so.
5. Termination.
Customer acknowledges and agrees that violation by Customer, its agents or employees, of any of the licensing
terms contained in this Agreement or in any other agreement between the parties, shall constitute default, and shall
entitle DRA the right to immediately repossess all copies of the source code tapes, software, documentation, and any
modifications thereof, and to rescind ali software licenses granted to Customer, in addition to all other legal and
equitable remedies provided by law. DRA shall also have the right to terminate this agreement in the event that
Customer fails to maintain in effect a valid Agreement for Software Support, Maintenance and Update Service.
6. Disclaimer and Limitation of Liability.
CUSTOMER ACKNOWLEDGES THAT IN THE CALCULATION OF STORAGE REQUIREMENTS UNDER
OTHER AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE PARTIES, DRA HAS NOT 1NCLUDED THE SPACE REQUIRED
FOR THE PRODUCTS LICENSED HEREIN. THEREFORE, THIS SOFTWARE MUST BE NON-
OPERATIONAL DURING ANY CONTRACTUAL PERFORMANCE TESTS, AND MAY NOT BE
CONSIDERED IN ANY MEMORY OR DISK SPACE WARRANTY CLAIMS UNDER ANY OTHER
AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE PARTIES.
EXCEPT AS PROVIDED HEREIN, DRA MAKES NO OTHER WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, AS
TO ANY MATTER WHATSOEVER, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE CONDITION OF THE
PRODUCT(S), THEIR MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR ANY PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
CUSTOMER SHALL HAVE THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ADEQUATE PROTECTION OF ITS DATA
USED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PRODUCTS. CUSTOMER'S RIGHT TO RECOVER DAMAGES
CAUSED BY DRA'S FAULT OR NEGLIGENCE SHALL BE LIMITED TO TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS
($10,000.00). DRA WILL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES RESULTING FROM LOSS OF PROFITS,
USE OF PRODUCTS OR FOR INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, EVEN IF ADVISED OF
THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. THIS LIMITATION OF LIABILITY WILL APPLY REGARDLESS
OF THE FORM OF ACTION, WHETHER IN CONTRACT OR TORT, INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE.
7. Notices.
Any notices required or permitted under this Agreement shall be in writing and delivered in person, by facsimile,
overnight express, or by registered or certified mail, return receipt requested, with proper postage prepaid, and
properly addressed as set forth below or as shall be hereal~er changed by written notice. Notice shall be effective
upon delivery. Facsimile notices shall also be delivered by another means listed above, but shall still be effective
upon facsimile transmission.
RUN-TIME LIBRARY USE LICENSE AGREEMENT
Page 2
The parties hereto affirm that the persons below listed are duly authorized to receive and accept such notice:
FOR DP.A:
Michael J. Melling.er, President and CEO
Data Research Associates, Inc.
1276 North Warson Road
St. Louis, Missouri 63132
FAX: (314) 993-8927
FOR CUSTOMER:
Michael Widner
Collier County Public Library
650 Central Avenue
Naples. Florida 33940
FAX:
8. Governing Law.
This Agreement shall be govemed by the laws of the State of Florida both as to interpretation and performance.
Except as hereinabove modified, the terms and conditions of the above=referenced Agreements and any appendices
and amendments thereto, remain in full force and effect.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned parties have executed this Agreement, in duplicate copies, each of
which shall constitute an original, as of the day and year first above written.
,,,k,."ATTEsT;: (A'.~ to Chairman)
..".-.%';.bw*ight gT'Bro?k, Clerk
..' .×x' , . , %,
"'",,,~oved as to form and ~gai sufficiency:
~t~nt Conn~ ~ttorne~
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, A
POLITI~L SUBDIVISION OF THE
STAT L IDA
DATA RESEARCH ASSOCIATES, INC.
(CORPORATE SEAL)
RUN-TIME LIBRARY USE LICENSE AGREEMENT Page
November 9, 1999
Item #16C4 - DELETED
Item #16C5
BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR PURCHASE OF THE ROBERTS RANCH PROPERTY.
Item #16C6
BUDGET AMENDMENT TO FUND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK ON TRACT
179 WITHIN GOLDEN GATE PER THE COLLIER COUNTY NEIGHBORHOOD PARK
POLICY.
Item #16C7
RESOLUTION 99-408, ESTABLISHING POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR INDIGENT
BURIALS AND CREMATION AND STAFF TO NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT WITH WILLING
AREA FUNERAL HOMES.
Page 173
RESOLUTION NO. 99- 4 0 8
RESOLUTION ESTABLISIIING POLICIES AND PROCEDURES
FOR INDIGENT BURIALS AND CREMATION
WHEREAS, Chapter 245, Florida Statutes, establishes criteria for the disposition of
persons who expire within the confines of every county, city, village, town or municipality in
Florida; and
WHEREAS, The Department of Collier County Social Services is responsible for
establishing eligibility and for the authorization of payment for burial or cremation of indigent
persons who expire within the confines of Collier County if the deceased is unclaimed or
survivors have insufficient resources for burial or cremation; and
WHEREAS, The Board of County Commissioners has determined that a policy should be
created establishing the allowable fees for such services; and
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS OF COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, that:
1. ELIGIBILITY:
Any person declared indigent, resident or non-resident, who expires within the confines of
Collier County, may be eligible for county burial/cremation. Reasonable efforts will be made to
determine the financial situation of the deceased and family members. Collier County shall not
authorize payment to transport a deceased to another county or state for disposition unless
specifically authorized as a public purpose by the Board of County Commissioners. The body of
a deceased may be transported out of the county if the body has been accepted by the State of
Florida Anatomical Board for use in research and teaching.
2. PROCEDURES:
a. Collier County will make a reasonable effort to gather pertinent
information, including name, date of birth, Social Security number, date of death, cause of
death, next of kin, financial information, veteran status, willingness of relatives to donate
the body for research for education and preference for burial or cremation. In order to
proceed with cremation, a family member must be willing to sign an authorization for
cremation and disposition for the funeral home.
b. Upgrades for caskets and/or cemetery plots, or additional funeral services
will not be permitted at county expense. Graveside services will only be provided upon
request.
C.
If identification of the body has not been established, burial shall be delayed
a minimum of ten (1 O) days from the official date of death. If identification of the body
has been established and the next of kin has not been found, the body will be held for ten
(10) days from the official date of death and until reasonable efforts to locate next of kin
have been exhausted.
d. The following procedures will be followed by all participating funeral
homes for burial/cremation of indigent deceased:
(i)
(ii)
(iii)
(iv)
(v)
Burial of indigent adults shall require a minimum of a
manufactured pressed board cloth covered casket and a
concrete liner.
At the discretion of the Funeral Director, burial of indigent
decomposed bodies may require a metal sealed unit similar
to the brand name Ziegler, without a casket; a concrete liner
shall be required for interment.
Burial of indigent still born and other infants shall require a
casket vault, dome sealed, fiber plastic, weather proofed
casket. A concrete liner shall not be required for interment.
The funeral director shall provide embalming or cremation,
clothing, transportation, grave markers, and will secure all
necessary legal documents.
The Veteran's Service Office will be responsible for order-
ing a grave marker for indigent veterans. Markers will be
shipped to the Parks and Recreation Department whose
staff.will be responsible for installation at the proper grave
site within 15 days of receipt.
e. Burial of Collier County indigent cases shall be performed with strict adherence to
the above stated procedures. If deviation from established procedure appears necessary, the
appointed provider of service shall notify the Social Services Department and the department shall
determine if any deviation from the established procedure is appropriate in such case.
f. The funeral home providing service for an indigent deceased shall advise the Social
Services Department of the desired date and time for burial. The Social Services Department
shall thereupon request from the Real Property Department provision of burial space and opening
and closing of the grave. The Real Property Department requires forth-eight (48) hours notice for
2
and closing of the grave. The Real Property Department requires forth-eight (48) hours notice
for the provision of such services. The Real Property Department shall confirm burial
arrangements with the funeral home.
g. After disposition of the indigent deceased has been accomplished, an itemized
statement requesting payment shall be presented to the Social Services Department by the funeral
home that provided the service. Collier County shall provide payment to the funeral home
according to the fee schedule in effect at the time services were rendered. The current fee
schedule is attached as Exhibit A and included herein. Payment will be approved by the Social
Services Director if no irregularity appears, the bill will be sent to the Clerk of Courts Finance
Department for payment.
This Resolution adopted this ~T.lt.day of
and majority vote in favor of adoption.
,1999, after motion, second
ATTEST:
· . ' '- A i:est.:ll$ t:o C:hlh, a n's
· ?*i,i '~: ' 'i:',Y! .'
Approved as to form and
legal sufficiency:
DWIGHT E. BROCK, Clerk
',. '.DeputyClerk
Assistant County Attorney ~/
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMIS/SlONERS
h:public/Melissa/Resolutions indigent burial
N OV -, ~ !995
EXIq-~IT A
INDIGENT BURIAL/CREMATION FEE SCHEDULE
Effective upon approval by the Board of County Commissioners, the fee
schedule for indigent burials/cremations is as follows:
ADULTBURIAL
ADULT CREMATION
INFANT BURIAL
INFANT CREMATION
INDIGENT VETERAN IN RECEIPT
OF $150.00 VA PLOT ALLOWANCE
INDIGENT VETERAN IN RECEIPT
OF $300.00 BASIC BURIAL
ALLOWANCE
VETERAN SERVICE CONNECTED
BURIAL ALLOWANCE $1500.
COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY
$900.00
$300.00
$500.00
$ 75.00
$900.00
$600.00
Arrange burial plot
November 9, 1999
Item #16D1
WORK ORDER VL-00-1 UNDER THE COUNTY'S ANNUAL ARCHITECTURAL CONTRACTS
FOR VICTOR J. LATAVISH, AIA TO DESIGN A SATELLITE BUILDING AT THE
GOLDEN GATE GOVERNMENT CENTER COMPLEX IN THE AMOUNT OF $72,000.00.
DOCUMENT NOT RECEIVED IN CLERK'S OFFICE AS OF DECEMBER 28, 1999.
Page 174
November 9, 1999
Item #16D2 - MOVED TO ITEM #8D1
Item #16D3
BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR ACCESSIBILITY (ADA) REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FOURTH
FLOOR OF THE COURTHOUSE AND TO PROVIDE A "HIGH TECHNOLOGY COURTROOM".
Item #16E1
BUDGET AMENDMENT NOS. 00-023, 00-024, 00-038 AND 00-037.
Item #16H1
MISCELLANEOUS CORRESPONDENCE - FILED AND/OR REFERRED
The following miscellaneous correspondence as presented by the
Board of County Commissioners has been directed to the various
departments as indicated:
Page 175
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
MISCELLANEOUS CORRESPONDENCE
NOVEMBER 9, 1999
FOR BOARD ACTION:
1. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO FILE FOR RECORD WITH ACTION AS DIRECTED:
o
Clerk of Courts: Submitted for public record, pursuant to Florida Statutes, Chapter
136.06(1), the disbursements for the Board of County Commissioners for the period:
A. October 6, 1999 - October 19, 1999
Minutes:
A. Historical/Archaeological Preservation Board - Agenda for October 15, 1999
meeting
B. Immokalee Beautification Advisory Committee - Agenda for October 20, 1999
meeting and minutes of August 17, 1999 meeting
C. Hispanic Affairs Advisory Board - Minutes of August 26, 1999 meeting
D. Environmental Advisory Council - Agenda for October 13, 1999 meeting
E. Ochopee Fire Control District Advisory Committee - Minutes of September 13,
1999 meeting
Other:
Audit of County Petty Cash and Change Funds (99-11)
AGENDA ITEM
NOV 0 9 1999
November 9, 1999
Item #1611
RESOLUTION 99-409, AUTHORIZING LOAN IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED
$3,060,000.00 FROM THE POOLED COMMERCIAL PAPER LOAN PROGRAM TO
CONSTRUCT A DOMESTIC ANIMAL SERVICES FACILITY.
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RESOLUTION NO. 99-409
A RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS OF COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA,
AUTHORIZING THE BORROWING OF NOT EXCEEDING
$3,060,000 FROM THE POOLED COMMERCIAL PAPER
LOAN PROGRAM OF THE FLORIDA LOCAL
GOVERNMENT FINANCE COMMISSION PURSUANT TO
THE TERMS OF THE LOAN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE
COMMISSION AND THE COUNTY IN ORDER TO
FINANCE THE ACQUISITION, CONSTRUCTION AND
EQUIPPING OF A DOMESTIC ANIMAL SERVICES
FACILITY; AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF A LOAN
NOTE OR NOTES TO EVIDENCE SUCH BORROWING;
AGREEING TO SECURE SUCH LOAN NOTE OR NOTES
WITH A COVENANT TO BUDGET AND APPROPRIATE
LEGALLY AVAILABLE NON-AD VALOREM REVENUES
AS PROVIDED IN THE LOAN AGREEMENT;
AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION AND DELIVERY OF
SUCH OTHER DOCUMENTS AS MAY BE NECESSARY
TO EFFECT SUCH BORROWING; AND PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
NOV 0 9 1999
BE IT RESOLVED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA:
SECTION 1.DEFINITIONS. Unless the context of use indicates another meaning
or intent, the following words and terms as used in this Resolution shall have the following
meanings. Capitalized terms not defined herein shall have the meanings ascribed thereto in
the hereinafter defined Loan Agreement.
"Act" means, collectively, Part I, Chapter 125, Florida Statutes, Part I, Chapter 163,
Florida Statutes, and all other applicable provisions of law.
"Additional Payments" means the payments required to be made by the County
pursuant to Sections 5.02(b), 5.02(c), 5.02(d), 5.05 and 6.06(e) of the Loan Agreement.
"Board" means the Board of County Commissioners of the County.
NOV 9 1999
"Chairman" means the Chairman or Vice Chairman of the Board, and such other
person as may be duly authorized to act on his or her behalf.
"Clerk" means the Clerk of the Circuit Court for the County, ex-officio Clerk of the
Board, and such other person as may be duly authorized to act on his or her behalf.
"Commission" means the Florida Local Government Finance Commission, and any
assigns or successors thereto.
"County" means Collier County, Florida, a political subdivision of the State of
Florida.
"County Administrator" means the County Administrator of the County and such
other person as may be duly authorized to act on his or her behalf.
"Designated Revenues" means (1) Public Agency Moneys budgeted and
appropriated for purposes of payment of the Loan Repayments and any other amounts due
under the Loan Agreement, and (2) the proceeds of the Loan pending the applicatiOn thereof.
"Draw Date" has the meaning set forth in the Loan Agreement.
"FinanceDirector'' means the Director of Finance and Accounting and such other
person as may be duly authorized to act on his or her behalf.
"Loan No. A-12-1" means the Loan designated as "Loan No. A-12-1" the proceeds
of which are to be used to finance Project A-12.
"Loan" means the loan to be made by the Commission to the County from proceeds
of the Series A Notes in accordance with the terms of this Resolution and of the Loan
Agreement.
"Loan Agreement" means the Loan Agreement, dated as of April 12, 1991, between
the County and the Commission, as amended and supplemented and as the same may be
further amended and supplemented.
"Loan Rate" has the meaning set forth in the Loan Agreement.
"Loan Repayments" or "Repayments" means the payments of principal and
interest at the Loan Rate on the Loan amounts payable by the County pursuant to the
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provisions of the Loan Agreement and all other payments, including Additional Payments,
payable by the County pursuant to the provisions of the Loan Agreement.
"Non-Ad Valorem Revenues" means all legally available revenues of the County
derived from any source whatsoever other than ad valorem taxation on real and personal
property, which are legally available to make the Loan Repayments required in the Loan
Agreement, but only after provision has been made by the County for the payment of services
and programs which are for essential public purposes affecting the health, welfare and safety
of the inhabitants of the CountY or which are legally mandated by applicable law.
"Program" means the Pooled Commercial Paper Loan Program established by the
Commission.
"Project A-12" means the costs and expenses relating to the acquisition, construction
and equipping of a domestic animal services facility, as the same may be amended or
modified from time to time, all as more particularly described in the plans and specifications
on file with the County.
"Public Agency Moneys" shall mean the moneys budgeted and appropriated by the
County for payment of the Loan Repayments and any other amounts due hereunder from
Non-Ad 'Valorem Revenues pursuant to the County's covenant to budget and appropriate
such Non-Ad Valorem Revenues contained in Section 6.04 of the Loan Agreement.
"Resolution" means this Resolution, as the same may from time to time be amended,
modified or supplemented.
"Series A Notes" means the Commission's Pooled Commercial Paper Notes, Series
A (Governmental Issue), to be issued from time to time by the Commission.
The terms "herein," "hereunder," "hereby," "hereto," "hereof," and any similar terms,
shall refer to this Resolution; the term "heretofore" shall mean before the date of adoption
of this Resolution; and the term "hereafter" shall mean after the date of adoption of this
Resolution.
Words importing the masculine gender include every other gender.
Words importing the singular number include the plural number, and vice versa.
SECTION 2.AUTHORITY FOR RESOLUTION. This Resolution is adopted
pursuant to the provisions of the Act.
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SECTION 3.FINDINGS. It is hereby ascertained, determined and declared that:
(A) The Commission has been established for the principal purpose of issuing
commercial paper notes in order to provide funds to loan to public agencies, such as the
County, desiring to finance and refinance the cost of acquiring, constructing and equipping
capital improvements and to finance and refinance other governmental needs.
(B) In furtherance of the foregoing, the Commission shall issue, from time to time,
commercial paper notes to be known as "Florida Local Government Finance Commission
Pooled Commercial Paper Notes, Series A (Governmental Issue)" and shall loan the proceeds
of such Series A Notes to public agencies, including the County.
(C) Pursuant to the authority of the Act, the Commission has agreed to loan, from
time to time, to the County such amounts as shall be authorized herein and in the Loan
Agreement in order to enable the County to finance, reimburse or refinance the cost of
acquisition, construction and equipping of capital improvements.
(D) There is presently a need by the county to finance Project A-12 and the most
cost-effective means by which to finance Project A-12 is by the use of moneys obtained
pursuant to the Program by means of the Loan.
(E) The County hereby determines that the provision of funds by the Commission
to the County in the form of Loan No. A-12-1 pursuant to the terms of the Loan Agreement
and the financing of Project A-12 will assist in the development and maintenance of the
public welfare of the residents of the County, and shall serve a public purpose by improving
the health and living conditions, and providing governmental services, facilities and
programs and will promote the most efficient and economical development of such services,
facilities and programs.
(G) Loan No. A-12-1 shall be repaid solely from the Designated Revenues. Such
Designated Revenues shall include moneys derived from a covenant to budget and
appropriate legally available Non-Ad Valorem Revenues. The ad valorem taxing power of
the County will never be necessary or authorized to make the Loan Repayments.
SECTION 4.TERMS OF LOANS. The County hereby approves of Loan No. A-12-
1 in the aggregate amount of not exceeding $3,060,000 for the purpose of providing the
County with sufficient funds to finance Project A-12. The Chairman and the Clerk are
hereby authorized to execute, seal and deliver on behalf of the County a Loan Note or Notes
with respect to Loan No. A-12-1 and other documents, instruments, agreements and
certificates necessary or desirable to effectuate Loan No. A-12-1 as provided in the Loan
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Agreement. The Loan Note or Notes with respect to Loan No. A-12-1 shall reflect the terms
of such Loan and shall be substantially in the form attached to the Loan Agreement as
Exhibit I. The Finance Director shall make the Draw Request or Requests with respect to
Loan No. A-12-1 in accordance with the terms of the Loan Agreement at such time as shall
be determined by the Finance Director as appropriate to finance Project A-12 and is
permitted by the Loan Agreement. Loan No. A-12-1 shall mature in accordance with the
provisions described in Schedule I attached hereto. Loan No. A-12-1 shall bear interest at
the Loan Rate in accordance with the terms of the Loan Agreement. The County further
agrees to make all Loan Repayments required of it pursuant to the terms of the Loan
Agreement. The Letter of Credit fees for Loan No. A-12-1 shall be 30 basis points or such
other amount as First Union National Bank and the Finance Director shall agree.
SECTION 5. AUTHORIZATION OF PROJECT A-12. The County does hereby
authorize the acquisition and construction of Project A-12.
SECTION 6. SECURITY FOR THE LOAN. The County's obligation to repay
Loan No. A-12-1 will be secured by a pledge of and lien upon the Designated Revenues in
accordance with the terms of the Loan Agreement. The obligation of the County to repay
Loan No. A-12-1 shall not be deemed a pledge of the faith and credit or taxing power of the
County and such obligation shall not create a lien on any property whatsoever of or in the
County other than the Designated Revenues.
SECTION 7.GENERAL AUTHORITY. The members of the Board and the
officers, attorneys and other agents or employees of the County are hereby authorized to do
all acts and things required of them by this Resolution and the Loan Agreement, or desirable
or consistent with the requirements of this Resolution and the Loan Agreement, for the full
punctual and complete performance of all the terms, covenants and agreements contained in
this Resolution and the Loan Agreement, and each member, employee, attorney and officer
of the County or its Board is hereby authorized and directed to execute and deliver any and
all papers and instruments and to do and cause to be done any and all acts and things
necessary or proper for carrying out the transactions contemplated by this Resolution and the
Loan Agreement.
SECTION 8.SEVERABILITY. If any one or more of the covenants, agreements
or provisions herein contained shall be held contrary to any express provision of law or
contrary to the policy of express law, though not expressly prohibited, or against public
policy, or shall for any reason whatsoever be held invalid, then such covenants, agreements
or provisions shall be null and void and shall be deemed separable from the remaining
covenants, agreements or provisions and shall in no way affect the validity of any of the other
provisions hereofi
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SECTION 9. REPEAL OF INCONSISTENT RESOLUTIONS. All resolutions
or parts thereof in conflict herewith are hereby superseded and repealed to the extent of such
conflict.
SECTION 10. EFFECTIVE
immediately upon its adoption.
DATE. This Resolution shall take effect
DULY ADOPTED this 9th day of November, 1999.
(SEAL)
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
OF COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
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IOV 9
SCHEDULE I
PROPOSED LOAN REPAYMENT SCHEDULE
The principal of Loan No. A-12-1 shall be repaid as follows:
December 7, 2004
Interest on the Loan shall be paid
provisions of the Loan Agreement.
with the Loan Agreement.
$3,060,000
(or such other principal amount
as is actually borrowed)
monthly in accordance with the terms and
Additional Payments shall also be made in accordance
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November 9, 1999
Item #16J1
RESOLUTION 99-410, AUTHORIZING AS A VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE, EXPENDITURES
OF FUNDS FOR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO ATTEND FUNCTIONS OF FRATERNAL,
BUSINESS, ENVIRONMENTAL, EDUCATIONAL, CHARITABLE, SOCIAL,
PROFESSIONAL, TRADE, HOMEOWNERS, ETHNIC AND CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS
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RESOLUTION NO. 99- 410
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING, AS SERVING A VALID PUBLIC
PURPOSE, EXPENDITURES OF FUNDS FOR COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS TO ATTEND FUNCTIONS OF FRATERNAL,
BUSINESS, ENVIRONMENTAL, EDUCATIONAL, CHARITABLE,
SOCIAL, PROFESSIONAL, TRADE, HOMEOWNERS, ETHNIC, AND
CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS/ORGANIZATIONS.
WHEREAS, Section 112.061, Florida Statutes, establishes guidelines for the payment of
travel and other expenditures for public officers, including assignments of official business
outside the traveler's regular place of employment; and
WHEREAS, it serves a valid public purpose for Board members to attend community
functions in order to gather information about County issues and receive input from the public;
and,
WHEREAS, it is in the best interests of the public for Board members to attend functions
of the referenced associations / organizations to keep the public informed as to the legislative
process of the County; and
WHEREAS, the Board desires to clearly specify the categories of travel and attendance at
civic functions which are appropriate for payment in accordance with Florida law.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS OF COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, that:
1. The Board hereby finds that attendance at the functions listed in paragraph 3 hereof
serves valid public purposes including, but not limited to: communication with the
public, gathering of information about Board issues, and providing feedback to the
public about County matters and the legislative process.
2. The amounts to be expended by the County for Board member attendance and/or
participation in the functions referenced in paragraph 3 shall be budgeted by the
Board of County Commissioners.
3. A Board member may seek Board approval for the payment for his/her attendance at
functions of fraternal, business,
professional, trade, homeowners,
environmental, educational charitable, social,
ethnic, and civic associations / organizations,
provided that said functions reasonably relate to Collier County matters. The
attached form entitled "Request for Approval for Payment to Attend Functions
Serving a Valid Public Purpose," may be placed on the Board of County
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Commissioners' Consent Agenda to gain the Board's approval for expenditure of
County funds to attend particular functions.
This Resolution adopted this ~ .~..day of ~ h~ t~__~.~_/Z , 1999 after motion, second
and majority vote favoring same.
· ~"' ' .... DWIGHT E. BROCK, Clerk
V'~ :: ~:'i
" rom and
legal sufficiency:
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
COLLJI~R COUNTY, FLORIDA
~'~miro Mafialicl~ -
Chief Assistant County Attorney
COMMISSIONER REQUEST FOR APPROVAL FOR PAYMENT TO ATTEND
FUNCTION(S) SERVING A VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE
Pursuant to Resolution No. 99- , the Board of County Commissioners has
determined that attendance at the functions of fraternal, business, environmental,
educational, charitable, social, professional, trade, homeowners, ethnic, and civic
associations / organizations serves a valid public purpose, provided that said functions
reasonably relate to Collier County matters.
In accordance with Resolution No. 99- , Commissioner
hereby requests that the Board of County Commissioners approve for payment by the
Clerk his/her attendance at the following function / event:
Function / Event:
Public Purpose:
Date of Function / Event:
Amount to be paid by the County:
Mileage:
November 9, 1999
Item #16J2
PROVIDE LEGAL DEFENSE FOR A COUNTY EMPLOYEE IN PROCEEDINGS THAT ARE
RELATED TO THE CASE STYLED JEFFREY C. POPP V. COLLIER COUNTY, ET AL.,
CASE NO. 99-3286-CA, PURSUANT TO RESOLUTION 95-632.
Item #17A - CONTINUED TO 12/14 MEETING
Item #17B
ORDINANCE 99-78, RE PETITION PUD-95-12 (1), ROBERT DUANE, AICP, OF
HOLE, MONTES & ASSOCIATES, INC. REPRESENTING THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH
OF NAPLES, REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED .PUD.
NAMELY THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF NAPLES PUD FOR THE PURPOSE OF
INCREASING THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT AND TO ADD A MUSEUM AS AN
ACCESSORY USE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF LIVINGSTON ROAD
AND THE EAST END OF ORANGE BLOSSOM DRIVE.
Item #17C
RESOLUTION 99-411, RE PETITION CU 99-24, JERRY NEAL OF PURSE
ASSOCIATES INC., REPRESENTING CAPRI CHRISTIAN CHURCH, INC., REQUESTING
APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING CHURCH
LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF CAPRI BOULEVARD AND HILO DRIVE ON ISLES OF
CAPRI.
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N 0 U - i999
RESOLUTION 99- 411
A RESOLUTION PROVIDING FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT
OF A CHURCH EXPANSION CONDITIONAL USE "2"
IN THE "RSF-4" ZONING DISTRICT PURSUANT TO
SECTION 2.2.4.3 OF THE COLLIER COUNTY LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED IN
SECTION 32, TOWNSHIP 51 SOUTH, RANGE 26 EAST,
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA.
WHEREAS, the Legislature of the State of Florida in Chapter 67-1246, Laws of Florida, and
Chapter 125, Florida Statutes, has conferred on Collier County the power to establish, coordinate and
enforce zoning and such business regulations as are necessary for the protection of the public; and
WHEREAS, the County pursuant thereto has adopted a Land Development Code (Ordinance
No. 91-102) which includes a Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance establishing regulations for the zoning
of particular geographic divisions of the County, among which is the granting of Conditional Uses; and
WHEREAS, the Collier County Planning Commission, being the duly appointed and constituted
planning board for the area hereby affected, has held a public hearing after notice as in said regulations
made and provided, and has considered the advisability of Conditional Use "2" of Section 2.2.4.3 in
an RSF-4 Zone for the Capri Christian Church expansion on the property hereinafter described, and has
found as a matter of fact (Exhibit "A") that satisfactory provision and arrangement have been made
concerning all applicable matters required by said regulations and in accordance with Subsection 2.7.4.4
of the Land Development Code for the Collier County Planning Commission; and
WHEREAS, all interested parties have been given opportunity to be heard by this Board in a
public meeting assembled and the Board having considered all matters presented.
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, BY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS of
Collier County, Florida that:
The petition filed by Jerry Neal of Purse Associates, Inc. representing Capri Christian Church,
Inc., with respect to the property hereinafter described as:
Lots 424, 425, 426 and 427, Isle of Capri No. 2, as recorded in
Plat Book 3, Page 46, Official Records of Collier County.
be and the same is hereby approved for Conditional Use "2" of Section 2.2.4.3 of the "RSF-4"
Zoning District for a church expansion in accordance with the Conceptual Master Plan (Exhibit "B")
and subject to the following conditions:
Exhibit "C" which is attached hereto and incorporated by reference herein.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that this Resolution be recorded in the minutes of this Board.
This Resolution adopted after motion, second and majority vote.
Done this ~, day of ~n~_~ ~G.~,, 1999.
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS x
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA //
ATTEST: '.
'DWIGHT El BROCK, Clerk
' ,:Ai~Pr~ed aS to Form and fittest aS
Legal Sufficiency: s t gnatur~ onl ~.
Ma~ode M. Student ]
Assistant County Attorney
ffCU-99-24 RESOLUTION/CB~s
FINDING OF FACT
BY
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
FOR
A CONDITIONAL USE PETITION
FOR
CU-99-24
The following facts are found:
Section_2.2.4.3_ of the Land Development Code authorized
the conditional use.
o
Granting the conditional use will not adversely affect the
public interest and will not adversely affect other property
or uses in the same district or neighborhood because of:
Ac
Co
Consistency with the Land Development Code and Growth
Management Pi~ No
Ingress and egress to property and proposed structures
thereon with particular reference to automotive and
pedestrian safety and convenience, traffic flow and
control, and access in case of fire or catastrophe:
Adequat~fi~~ & egress
Affects neighboring properties in relation to noise,
a'~, ~cDnomlc or odor effects:
~' No ~f~ect or Affect mitigated by
~----------~"Affect ca--~ be mitigated
Compatibility with adjacent properties and other
property in the district:
Compatible use~% district
No
Based on the above findings, this conditional use should, with
stipulations, ~y.~ttached) (should not) be recommended for
approval /~/f~,.~Z.~ .
DATE: ,
f/FINDING OF FACT CHAIRMAN/
EXHIBIT "A"
FINDING OF FACT
BY
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
FOR
A CONDITIONAL USE PETITION
FOR
CU-99-24
The following facts are found:
Section 2.2.4.3.__ of the Land Development Code authorized
the conditional use.
Granting the conditional use will not adversely affect the
public interest and will not adversely affect other property
or uses in the same district or neighborhood because of:
Be
Consistency with the Land Development Code and
Growth Management~l~an:
Yes No
Ingress and egress to property and proposed
structures thereon with particular reference to
automotive and pedestrian safety and convenience,
traffic flow and control, and access in case of fire or
catastrophe:
Adequate ingress ~kzegress
Yes/,/~3 No
Affects neighboring properties in relation to noise,
, economic or odor effects:
No affect or Affect mitigated by
Affect cannot be mitigated
D. Compatibility with adjacent properties and other
property in the district:
Compatible %~ within district
Yes~ No
Based on the above findings, this conditional use should, with
stipulatio~6.al~.op¥~ttached) (should not) be recommended for
approval
f/FINDING OF FACT MEMBER/
FINDING OF FACT
BY
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
FOR
A CONDITIONAL USE PETITION
FOR
CU-99-24
The following facts are found:
Section_2-2.4.3__ of the Land Development Code authorized
the conditional use.
o
Granting the conditional use will not adversely affect the
public interest and will not adversely affect other property
or uses in the same district or neighborhood because of:
Consistency with the Land Development Code and
Growth Management I~:
Yes No
Bo
Ingress and egress to property and proposed
structures thereon with particular reference to
automotive and pedestrian safety and convenience,
traffic flow and control, and access in case of fire or
catastrophe: ~re
Adequate ingress & ss
Yes ~'No
Affects.3~rfghboring properties in relation to noise,
gla~economic or odor effects:
No affect or Affect mitigated by
Affect cannot be mitigated
De
Compatibility with adjacent properties and other
property in the district~
Compatible use w~'hin district
Yes ~' No
Based on the above findings,
stipulations, (copy attached)
approval
f/FINDING OF FACT MEMBER/
NOV · )999
FINDING OF FACT
BY
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
FOR
A CONDITIONAL USE PETITION
FOR
CU-99-24
The following facts are found:
Section 2.2.4.3. of the Land Development Code authorized
the conditional use.
o
Granting the conditional use will not adversely affect the
public interest and will not adversely affect other property
or uses in the same district or neighborhood because of:
ao
Consistency with the Land Development Code and
Growth Management Plan:
Yes ~ No
S o
Ingress and egress to property and proposed
structures thereon with particular reference to
automotive and pedestrian safety and convenience,
traffic flow and control, and access in case of fire or
catastrophe:
Adequate ingress & egress
Yes ~ No
C o
Affects neighboring properties in relation to noise,
glare~ economic or odor effects:
No affect or Affect mitigated by
Affect cannot be mitigated
Compatibility with adjacent properties and other
property in the district:
Compatible use w~thin district
Yes ~ No
Based on the above findings, this conditio~
stipulations, (coRy attached) (should not)
approval ~wr0~D<
DATE: 10~(9q9 MEMBER:~_~
f/FINDING OF FACT MEMBER/
FINDING OF FACT
BY
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
FOR
A CONDITIONAL USE PETITION
FOR
CU-99-24
The following facts are found:
Section 2.2.4.3__ of the Land Development Code authorized
the conditional use.
Granting the conditional use will not adversely affect the
public interest and will not adversely affect other property
or uses in the same district or neighborhood because of:
ao
Consistency with the Land Development Code and
Growth Management Plan:
Yes / No
Ingress and egress to property and proposed
structures thereon with particular reference to
automotive and pedestrian safety and convenience,
traffic flow and control, and access in case of fire or
catastrophe:
Adequate ingress & egress
Yes ~/ No
Co
Affects neighboring properties in relation to noise,
glare, economic or odor effects:
~-~ No affect or Affect mitigated by
Affect cannot be mitigated
Do
Compatibility with adjacent properties and other
property in the district:
Compatible use within district
Yes ~,/ No
Based on the above findings, th~ditional use should, with
stipulations, (copy attached)~houl~/~ot) be recommended for
approval ~ ~~
f/FINDING OF FACT MEMBER/
FINDING OF FACT
BY
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
FOR
A CONDITIONAL USE PETITION
FOR
CU-99-24
The following facts are found:
Section 2.2.4.3. of the Land Development Code authorized
the conditional use.
o
Granting the conditional use will not adversely affect the
public interest and will not adversely affect other property
or uses in the same district or neighborhood because of:
.A.
Bo
Consistency with the Land Development Code and
Growth Management Plan:
Yes ~/~No
Ingress and egress to property and proposed
structures thereon with particular reference to
automotive and pedestrian safety and convenience,
traffic flow and control, and access in case of fire or
catastrophe:
Adequate ingress & egress
Yes ~ No
Affects neighboring properties in relation to noise,
glare,~onomic or odor effects:
~-'~No affect or Affect mitigated by
Affect cannot be mitigated
Compatibility with adjacent properties and other
property in the district:
Compatible use within district
Yes /No
Based on the above findings, this conditional use should, with
stipulations, (copy attache~'-~~~ot~ be recommended for
approval
f/FINDING OF FACT MEMBER/
NOV
FINDING OF FACT
BY
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
FOR
A CONDITIONAL USE PETITION
FOR
CU-99-24
The following facts are found:
Section 2.2.4.3. of the Land Development Code authorized
the conditional use.
Granting the conditional use will not adversely affect the
public interest and will not adversely affect other property
or uses in the same district or neighborhood because of:
Consistency with the Land Development Code and
Growth Management Plan:
Yes ~' No
Ingress and egress to property and proposed
structures thereon with particular reference to
automotive and pedestrian safety and convenience,
traffic flow and control, and access in case of fire or
catastrophe:
Adequate ingress & egress
Yes ¥' No
Affects neighboring properties in relation to noise,
glare, economic or odor effects:
~ No affect or Affect mitigated by
Affect cannot be mitigated
Do
Compatibility with adjacent properties and other
property in the district:
Compatible use within district
Yes w~ No
Based on the above findings, this conditional use should, with
stipulations, (copy attached) (should'not) be recommended for
approval \, ,/
~ ~ ~ ?
f/FINDING OF FACT MEMBER/
~66f, ~ - A0~ EXHIBIT "B" ,
CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL
CU-98-2Q
This approval is conditioned upon the following stipulations requested by the Collier
County Planning Commission in their public hearing on October 21, 1999.
Planning Services:
The Current Planning Manager may approve minor changes in the
location, siting, or height of buildings, structures, and improvements
authorized by the conditional use. Expansion of the uses identified and
approved within this conditional use application, or major changes to the
site plan submitted as part of this application, shall require the submittal of
a new conditional use application, and shall comply with all applicable
County ordinances in effect at the time of submittal, including Division 3.3,
Site Development Plan Review and approval, of the Collier County Land
Development Code, Ordinance (91-102).
A Site Development Plan (SDP) must be applied for and approved by the
Development Services staff prior to any expansion of the existing church.
A 15-foot wide type "B" landscape buffer shall be provided between the
church property and the residential lot No. 428.
A 10-foot wide type "D" landscape buffer shall be provided along Pago
Pago Drive.
EXHIBIT "C"
November 9, 1999
Item #17D
RESOLUTION 99-412, RE PETITION V 99-17, ANA L. ALEMAN, REPRESENTING
IRAIS AND NANCY PANDO, REQUESTING AN AFTER-THE-FACT VARIANCE OF 5 FEET
FROM THE REQUIRED SIDE YARD SETBACK OF 30 FEET TO 25 FEET FOR PROPERTY
LOCATED AT 4860 SYCAMORE DRIVE.
Page 179
RESOLUTION NO. 99- 412
RELATING TO PETITION NUMBER V-99-17,
FOR AN AFTER-THE-FACT VARIANCE ON
PROPERTY HEREINAFTER DESCRIBED IN
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA.
WHEREAS, the Legislature of the State of Florida in Chapter 125, Florida Statutes,
has conferred on all counties in Florida the power to establish, coordinate and enforce zoning
and such business regulations as are necessary for the protection of the public; and
WHEREAS, the County pursuant thereto has adopted a Land Development Code
(Ordinance No. 91-102) which establishes regulations for the zoning of particular geographic
divisions of the County, among which is the granting of variances; and
WHEREAS, the Board of Zoning Appeals, being the duly elected constituted Board of
the area hereby affected, has held a public hearing after notice as in said regulations made and
provided, and has considered the advisability of a 5-foot after-the-fact variance from the
required side yard of 30 feet to 25 feet as shown on the attached plot plan, Exhibit "A", in an
E Zone for the property hereinafter described, and has found as a matter of fact that
satisfactory provision and arrangement have been made concerning all applicable matters
required by said regulations and in accordance with Section 2.7.5 of the Zoning Regulations
of said Land Development Code for the unincorporated area of Collier County; and
WHEREAS, all interested parties have been given opportunity to be heard by this
Board in public meeting assembled, and the Board having considered all matters presented;
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
of Collier County, Florida, that:
The Petition V-99-17 filed by Ana L. Aleman, representing Irais and Nancy Pando,
with respect to the property hereinafter described as:
The East V2 of Tract 120, Golden Gate Estates, Unit No. 34, as recorded in Plat
Book 7, Page 23 of the Public Records of Collier County, Florida.
be and the same hereby is approved for a 5-foot after-the-fact variance from the required side
yard of 30 feet to 25 feet as shown on the attached plot plan, Exhibit "A", of the E Zoning
District wherein said property is located, subject to the following conditions:
This variance is for the encroachment shown in Exhibit "A" only. Any other
encroachment shall require a separate variance.
In the case of the destruction of thc encroaching structure, for any reason, to an
extent equal to or greater than 50 percent of the actual replacement cost of thc
structure at the time of its destruction, any reconstruction shall conform to the
provisions of the Land Development Code in effect at the time of reconstruction.
~i O~ ~ .'4 1999.
BE IT RESOLVED that this Resolution relating to Petition Number V-99-17 be
recorded in the minutes of this Board.
This Resolution adopted after motion, second and majority vote.
Donethis ~t"r~. dayof .~u~x~.~_~.~ , 1999.
.., DWIGHT E~ BROCK, Clerk
' signature
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
PAMELA S. MAC'KIE, (7HAIRWOMAN
Approved as to Form and Legal Sufficiency:
Ma~ni S. Scuderi
Assistant County Attorney
g/V-99-17 RESOLUTION/FR/im
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November 9, 1999
Item #17E
RESOLUTION 99-413, PETITION V 99-18, JIM TITSCH, OF TITSCH &
ASSOCIATES ARCHITECTS, REPRESENTING FREELAND & SCHUH, INC., REQUESTING
A 10-FOOT FRONT YARD VARIANCE TO 15 FEET FROM THE REQUIRED 25-FOOT
FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1229 AIRPORT-PULLING ROAD,
KNOWN AS FREELAND NISSAN AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIP.
Page 180
RESOLUTION NO. 99- 413
RELATING TO PETITION NUMBER V-99-18,
FOR A VARIANCE ON PROPERTY
HEREINAFTER DESCRIBED IN COLLIER
COUNTY, FLORIDA.
WHEREAS, the Legislature of the State of Florida in Chapter 125, Florida Statutes,
has conferred on all counties in Florida the power to establish, coordinate and enfome zoning
and such business regulations as are necessary for the protection of the public; and
WHEREAS, the County pursuant thereto has adopted a Land Development Code
(Ordinance No. 91-102) which establishes regulations for the zoning of particular geographic
divisions of the County, among which is the granting of variances; and
WHEREAS, the Board of Zoning Appeals, being the duly elected constituted Board of
the area hereby affected, has held a public heating after notice as in said regulations made and
provided, and has considered the advisability of a 10-foot variance from the required front
yard setback of 25 feet to 15 feet as shown on the attached plot plan, Exhibit "A", in a "C-5"
Heavy Commercial Zoning District for the property hereinafter described, and has found as a
matter of fact that satisfactory provision and arrangement have been made concerning all
applicable matters required by said regulations and in accordance with Section 2.7.5 of the
Zoning Regulations of said Land Development Code for the unincorporated area of Collier
County; and
WHEREAS, all interested parties have been given oppommity to be heard by this
Board in public meeting assembled, and the Board having considered all matters presented;
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
of Collier County, Florida, that:
The Petition V-99-18 filed by Jim Titsch of Titsch and Associates, Architects,
representing Freeland and Sehuh, Inc., with respect to the property hereinafter described as:
The north 209.05 feet of the south 329.3 feet of the west 354.3 feet of the
north 658.6 feet of the south 2005.8 feet of the west one-half of the west one-
half of the northwest one-quarter of Section 36, Township 49 South, Range 25
East, Collier County, Florida; except the west 50 feet reserved for road right-
of-way.
Together with:
The south 120.25 feet of the west 354.3 feet of the north 658.6 feet of the south
2005.8 feet of the west half of the west half of the northwest quarter of Section
36, Township 49 South, Range 25 East, Collier County, Florida.
be and the same hereby is approved for a 1 O-foot variance from the required front yard
setback of 25 feet to 15 feet as shown on the attached plot plan, Exhibit "A", of the
"C-5" Heavy Commercial Zoning District wherein said property is located, subject to
the following conditions:
This variance is for the encroachment shown in Exhibit "A" only. Any other
encroachment shall require a separate variance.
In the case of the destruction of the encroaching structure, for any reason, to an
extent equal to or greater than 50 percent of the actual replacement cost of the
structure at the time of its destruction, any reconstruction shall conform to the
provisions of the Land Development Code in effect at the time ofreconstructfion.
BE IT RESOLVED that this Resolution relating to Petition Number V-99-18 be
recorded in the minutes of this Board.
This Resolution adopted after motion, second and majority vote.
Done this G¥-r.~., day of .~.Oa~_.~'~,.oo_~l'L, , 1999.
.:". ~'" ' ~: DWlGHTE.BROCK, Clerk
~aonO~m ~d Legal Sufficiency:
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORI~
Ma~i S. Scud~-fi
Assistant County Attorney
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November 9, 1999
Item #17F
RESOLUTION 99-414, RE PETITION VAC 99-13, TO VACATE A 10' WIDE
DRAINAGE EASEMENT ON LOT 5, ACCORDING TO THE PLAT OF .BAYFRONT
GARDENS" AND TO ACCEPT A 10' WIDE DRAINAGE EASEMENT AS A REPLACEMENT
EASEMENT ON SAID LOT 5.
Page 181
RESOLUTION NO. 99- 414
RESOLUTION FOR PETITION VAC 99-013 TO VACATE A 10' WIDE
DRAINAGE EASEMENT ON LOT 5, ACCORDING TO THE PLAT OF
"BAYFRONT GARDENS", AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 14, PAGES 114
THROUGH 117, PUBLIC RECORDS OF COLLIER COLTNTY, FLORIDA AND
TO ACCEPT A 10' WIDE DRAINAGE EASEMENT AS A REPLACEMENT
EASEMENT ON SAID LOT 5, LOCATED IN SECTION 6, TOWNSHIP 48
SOUTH, RANGE 25 EAST.
WHEREAS, pursuant to Section 177.101, Florida Statutes, Mark Raudenbush from Idyll Homes,
Inc., as agent for the petitioners, Michael and Janine Knapp, does hereby request the vacation of a 10' wide
Drainage Easement on Lot 5, according to the plat of "Bayfront Gardens", as recorded in Plat Book 14, pages
114 through 117, Public Records of Collier County, Florida and to accept a 10' wide Drainage Easement as a
replacement easement on said lot 5; and
WHEREAS, the Board has this day held a public hearing to consider vacating said 10' wide Drainage
Easement, as more fully described below, and notice of said public hearing to vacate was given as required by
law; and
WHEREAS, the granting of the vacation will not adversely affect the ownership or right of convenient
access of other property owners.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
OF COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, that the following be and is hereby vacated:
See Exhibit "A" attached hereto and incorporated herein.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, that the 10' wide Drainage Easement, more' particularly described in
Exhibit "B" attached hereto and incorporated herein, is hereby accepted as the replacement easement
for the Drainage Easement vacated herein.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Clerk to the Board is hereby directed to record a certified
copy of this Resolution and the replacement drainage easement individually in the Official Records of Collier
County, Florida, and to make proper notation of this vacation on the recorded plat as referenced above.
i.~'.~',r,,..'~;£/..~ .TI~,s Resolution adopted after motion, second and majority vote favoring same.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
.~/~onaturt only.
pprove~ as to roan and legal
sufficiency:
Mam~ Scu-deri -
Assistant County Attorney
1999
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GRAPHIC SCALE
PROPOSED 10'
DRAINAGE EASEMENT
TRACT "R" OF LELY
BAREFOOT BE. ACH UNIT 1
PLAT BOOK 12, PACES 34-57.
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA.
N74'06'17"E
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W
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CONTROL LINE
~ wAN
VAC 99-013
25' U.E. & D.E.~
',, ,/ACANT
BE ¥~CATED
LOT 5
LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF AN E~qSTING
10 FOOT WtO~ ORA~E E.aSL~ENT
BEING PART OF LOT 5. BAYlq~ONT OAROENS
AS REC0~OED iN PI. AT BOC~ 14. PAGES 114 THROUGH 117
OF THE PUBUC RECOROS OF COLUER COUNIY, FLORIDA.
WATER LINE
the ~eulhweM eeener M e~ eMat~j lO f~ w~ ~ ~t117~M
12. ~ ~ ~ 37 M ~ ~ ~ of CoMiM C~, ~.
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PMt Beo~ 14. I~gea 114 ~ 117 .~ the Public Eecerci* of Coil;er C~.ty, Irloft4e.
being South 25705'20' East.
ROGER G. CARTER
IzRO~IONA~ S~'RVEYOR &; ~
6-2-99
1" = 100'
RGC
CHECKED BY:
RGC
CLIENT:
IDYLL HOMES, INC.
TITLE: SKETCH AND DESCRIPTION OF AN EXISTING 10 FOOT WIDE DRAINAGE EASEMENT
BEING PART OF LOT fi, BAYFRONT GARDENS AS RECORDE0 IN PLAT BOOK 14,
PAGES 114 THROUGH 117 OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF COLLIER COUN1Y, FLORIDA.
PROJECT99-0044 IsHEET1 1 IFILE
NUMBER'. NUMBER: OF NUMBER:
6 48 2.5
--- N OV 9 1999
DRAINAGE EASEMENT
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¥~d:~ 99.4)13
THIS EASEMENT, granted this "//ir day of/-f/~q6,T' ,19_~7_~, between Michael E.
Knapp and Janine A. Knapp as Grantor, to the Homeowner's Association at Bayfront Gardens, a
Florida not-for-profit corporation and to COLLIER COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
OF COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, its successors and assigns, as GRANTEE.
WITNESSETH:
That the GRANTOR, for and in consideration of the sum of TEN ($10.00) DOLLARS
and other good and valuable considerations paid by the GRANTEE; receipt of ~vhich is hereby
acknowledged, hereby conveys, grants, bargains and sells unto the GRANTEE, it successors and
assigns a perpetual, non-exclusive easement, license, and privilege to enter upon and to install
and maintain stormwater drainage facilities, on the following described lands being located in
Collier County, Florida. GRANTOR agrees for itself, its successors and assigns, that it will be
responsible for the cost of any maintenance of improvements within the easement area, to wit:
(See attached Exhibit "A" (99-0044-1S2) which was incorporated by
reference herein)
TO HAVE AND TO HOLD thc same unto said GRANTEE and its assigns, together with
the right to enter upon said land, excavate, and take materials for the purpose of constructing,
operating, and maintaining stormwater drainage facilities thereon. GRANTOR and GRANTEE
arc used for singular or plural, as the context requires.
--- N 0¥ 0 9 1999
F.,xhibk "B"
She~
VAC 99-013
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the GRANTOR has caused these presents to be executed the
day and year first above written.
Signed, sealed and delivered
in,our presence:
"Wil~ss / '
Pri~e~l Name
/w~t~s
Pti S/dnte I0 t ~ Name
Michd~6~ E. l~app
jan{ne A. Knapp
Whose mailing address is:
1189 Beryl Trail
Centerville, Ohio 45459
COUNTY OFS
_., The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this /'~ day of ~ ~',
19c~, _by_Michael E. Knapp and Janine A. Knapp. They are personally known to me or nave
produce~ [ O~ (-~> Ld(.X?n,.,.<~,as identification and did n~t take an oath.
~o~¥ PU~Lt'C (
Vrintdd hame
Prepared by:
Roger G. Carter
RWA Surveying, Inc.
3050 N. Horseshoe Drive, Suite 270
Naples, Florida 34104
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GRAPHIC SCALE
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TRACT "R" OF' LELY
BAREFOOT BEACH UNIT 1
PLAT BOOK 12, PAGES 34-57,
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA.
25' U.E. ar D.E. ~
LOT 6
VACANT
LOT 5
CUT N~NL IN THE EAST SIOE OF' A PALM TREE
LOCATED 50' +/- NORTH OF' THE INTERSECTION
OF LELY OEACH BOUL.EVARO /),ND BAYFRONT ORM[
ELEVATION - 10.00'
LEGAL D(SCRIPTION OF A PROPOSED 10 FOOT WI0~ DRNNAG[ EASE)~NT
~ pART OF LOT 5. BAYI~RONT
AS RECOROED IN PLAT BOOK 14, PN~:S 114 THROUGH 117
OF THE PURUC RECOR~ OF COI.L~R COUNTY', IrT. ORIID&.
WA1~R UNE
J LOT 4
48,69'
CONTROL LINE
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CLIENT:
IDYLL HOMES, INC..
'TffLE:sKETCH AND DESCRIPTION OF A PROPOSED ............ -! "~'~-
PAGE5 114 THROUGH t17 C~ 'I~E Puguc ~ OIr COU~ CDUNTY, ~
NUMBER: : , .
November 9, 1999
There being no further business for the good of the County, the
meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 5:40 pm.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS/EX
OFFICIO GOVERNING BOARD(S) OF
SP~TROL
~ ",Th% .'e-~-'~nutes approved by the Board on ~, as presented
~-~ or as corrected
TRANSCRIPT PREPARED ON BEHALF OF GREGORY COURT REPORTING SERVICE, INC.
BY ROSE M. WITT, RPR
Page 182
0 Wes157~h 8tres!
NewYork. NY 10010 .-
(212) SS6-S600 ,
AMERICAN EEDERATION OF MUSICIANS OF THE UNITED STATES AND GAN~U~,
(HEREIN C;AI~EB;'FEDERATIQN~')-, ~
ICM
INTERNATIONAL CREATIVE. MANJ~(~EMENT, INC.
I~ALENT AND'LII'!ENAR~i' AGENCY
13177 lOV 0 § 1999
KAREN VEITCH
AGENT
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Whenever The Term ;~HE LOCAL'UNION" Is Used In This Contract, It Shall Mean The Local Union
Of The Federation With Jurisdiction Over The Territory In Which The Engagement Covered By
This Contract Is To Be Performed.
THIS CONTRACT for the personal services of musicians on the engagement described below
is made this 11th day of November, 1999 between the undersigned purchaser of music
(herein called "Purchaser") and the undersigned musician or musicians.
1. nAME AND ADDRESS OF PLACE OF ENGAGEMENT:
Eagle Lakes Community Park; Tamiami Trail East; Naples FL USA 34112
941/370-1809~
NAIV[E OF BAND OR GROUP: EDDIE MONEY
~JMBER OF~IUSICIANS: 6
2. pATE(s)~ AND TIME OF ENGAGEMENT: 12/12/99
Approx 06:45 PM Length: Approx. 90 minutes
Load In: PER ADV Sound Check: PER ADV Doors Open: 1:00 PM On Stage: 5:00 PM
3. TYPE OF ENGAGEMENT (dance, stage show, banquet, etc.): Stage
· One Performance
Age Limit All Ages
4. COMPENSATION AGREED UPON (Amount and Terms):
$9,0OO.00 U.S. Currency Flat Guarantee
Purchaser Will Make Payments As Follows: DEP0SlT:(Certifted Check, Money Order or Bank Draft')
payable to INTERNATIONAL CREATIVE HANAGEMENT, INC. as agents
$4,500.00 Due AT ONCE
$4,500.00 To be paid in United States currency
(Certified check, money order, Bank Draft or Cash) to leader
prior to performance on night of above engagement OR ACT WILL NOT PERFORS.
Overages, if any, shall be paid to Musician at settlement on evening of performance.
5. ADDITIONAL CLAUSES:
SIGNED CONTRACTS AND ARTIST RIDERS ARE TO BE RETURNED TO ICM BY 11/20/99. Admission is
FREE. Attendees are requested to bring non-perishable food items for admission.
Purchaser will proVide and pay for 1 suite and 11 ~ingle rooms in a first class hotel.
Purchaser will fulfill rider requirements as stated in Artist's rider regarding
production, catering, etc. Merchandising Deal: 100X Artist is Seller.
~ILLING: 100X Top Headline Billing and Will Close Show
~UPPORT: To be announced
CAPACITY: 8,000 ~OUND & LIGHTS $
PURCHASER TO PROVIDE & PAY FOR FIRST CLASS SOUND & LIGHTS TO ARTIST'S
Core Tax I.D.
115-40-0094
SPECIFICATIONS.
TICKETS: 8000 @ FREE
DROSS POTENTIAL:
NAMES OF ALL MUSICIANS
Edward Mahoney
Tommy Girvin
John Snider, Jr.
Randy Forester
Trent Stroh
Bobby LeVine
LOCAL UNION ~0~ US SOCIAL. SECURITY N0fs)
6 115 40 0094
47 .559 67 8916
263 551 15 9083
6 411 92 4347
47 547 67 4176
7 089 40 5075
ietn: 2564442 OR: 2617 PG: 2901
CLHI TO Till BOA~I) IICORDID tn the O~HCIAL RIICORDS 0f COLLIBR COIIHH, IL IiC Ill I05,00
IliTIROFHCl ITH nOOR lZl..0:J/1OOO at. 03:42PH DWIGHT I. BROCK, CLBRK COPIBS 22.00
SIT
IN WITNESS ~REOF~ the pa~ties' hereto have hereunto set their names and seals on the day and '
year first above written;
Col~.i:~fl~!~y~),vermnent/Pamela S. Edward Mahoney p/k/a EDDIE
MONEy/Edward
Mahoney
6'
~;~c~c~ Signature of Sisnat~y ~u~'ia~e Local Union ~o.
~;~i~:~:~,)., ~/~ ~/~0w V~~t 57th Street .
All ~pll$ of lhll m~l~ end ~ched riders Ire to ~ Ilgnod ind returned AT ONCE to I~RNATIONAL CREA~VE
~NAGE~, INC. IS ~enl ~r the Muli~Mns. ~E ABOVE 81GNATURE8 CONFIRM THAT THE PAR~ES HAVE R~D
AND APPROVED EACH AND ~L OF ~E 'ADDmONAL ~R~ AND COND~IONS" S~ FOR~ ON THE REVERSE SIDE
HEREOF, AND OF ANY RIDER, EXPENSE 8HE~, OR ADDENDUM ~ICH ~Y BE ANNE~D HER~O.
ADDITIONAL TERMS AND CONDITIONS
OR: 2617
PG: 2902
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6. No performance shall be recorded, reproduced or transmitted from Ihs place of performance, in any manner or by.any means whatsoever, In the
absence of a specific written agreement with the Federation relating to and permitting such recording, reproduction or transmission.
7. It is expressly understood by Ihe Purchaser and the Musician(s) who are party to the contract that neilher the Federation nor the Local Union are
parties to this contract in any capacity except as expressly provided in 6 above and, thereforo, that neither the Federation nor Ihe Local Union shall
be liable for the performance or any breach of the proviiion hereof.
8. · A representative of the Local Union, or the Federation, shall have access to Ihe place of engagement covered by this contract for purposes of
communicating with the Musician(s) performing the engagement and the Purchaser.
g. If Purchaser shall fail to perform any of Purchaser's obligalion hereunder, or if Purchaser shall, for any reason, elect to c, ancol the above-mentioned
engagement, Musician or musician's agent may, at ils oplion, elect to cancel this agreement upon notice to Purchaser at any time after such default.
III cancellation is so elected, Musician, at its option, may elect to exercise all remedies then available at'law, or retain and/or be paid as liquidated
damages those monies required to be paid as deposit pursuant to paragraph 2 of this agreement.]
10.' Musician shall have sole and exclusive control over the produdion, presentalion, and performance of Ibe engagement hereunder, Including but not
limited to, the details, means and method of the performances of the performing musicians hereunder, and Musician shall have the sole right, as.
Musician may see lit, to designate and change at any lime the performing personnel. Musician's obligations hereunder are subject to detention or
prevention by sick/~ass, inability to perform, accident, means of transportaficn, Act of God, riots, strikes, labor difficulties, epidemics, any act or order
of public authority or any other cause, similar or dissimilar, beyond Musician's control.
11. The person executing this agreement on Purchaser's behalf warrants his authority to do so, and such a parson hereby pamonaily assumes liability
for Iha payment of said price in full.
12. Purchaser agrees that the entertainment p'resentatlon will not be included In a subscription or other type o! series without the written consent of
Musician. Free admission, il any (except to local press), shall be Subject to Musician's prior written approval. In the event that payment to Musician
.shall be based in whole or in part on 'receipts of the performance(s) hereunder: (a) the scale of the ticket prices must be submitted to and approved
by Musician in writing before lickers are ordered or placed on sale; (b) Purchaser agrees to deliver to Musician a certified stetemanl ol gross
receipts, of each such performance within two hours following such performance; and (c) Musician shall have the right to have a representative
present in the box olfice at ail limes and such representalJve shall have the right to examine and make extracts from box office records of Purchaser
relating to gross receipts of this engagement only.
13. If before the dote of any scheduled performance Il Is found the Purchaser has not performed flJlly its obligations under any other agreement with
any party for another engagement or that the financial credit of the Purchaser has been impaired, Musician may cancel this agreement. In the event
that Purchaser does not perform fully all ct it's obligations herein, Musician shall have the option to perform or refuse to perform hereunder and in
either event Purchaser shall be liable to Musician for damages in addition to the compensation provided herein.
f4. Musician shall have the sole and exclusive right, but not the obligation, to sell souv~ air programs and other souvenir Items including phonograph
records in connection with, and at, the performance(s) hereunder and the receipts ~erafrom shall belong exclusively to Musician.
15. This constitutes the sole, complete and binding agreement between the parties hereto. INTERNATIONAL CREATIVE MANAGEMENT, INC; acts
only as agent for Musician and assumes no liability hereunder.
16. Resolutions of controversies or claims: Any controversy or claim arising out of or relating to this contract, or breach thereof, shall be submitted to
arbitration under one of the following procedures to be selected by lhe Purchaser at Ihe lime that this contract is signed, by placing his or her initials
in the box adjacent to the procedure selected. In the event that neither box is initialed, it wile be presumed that Ihe Purchaser has chosen the'
procedures set forth in 'B':
A. (American Arbitration Association) Any controversy or claim arising out o~ or relating to this contract, or breech thereof, shall be settled by
arbltralion in accordance with the Commercial Arbitration Rules of the Americeri Arbitration Association, and judgment on the award may be
entered in any court having jurisdiction thereof. The cost of the arbitration proceeding, except those costs personally incurred by the parties
hereto for the presentalion of their own case, shall be shared equally by the Purchaser and the Signatory Musician(s).
lT.
(Local Union) Any controversy or claim arising out of or relating to this conlrant, or breach bSareof, shall be settled by arbltralion bY the
Executive Board or any other body of the Local Union charged wilt the responsibility of settling such controversy or claim. All rulings and
awards made by the Local Union in arbitration hereunder may be appealed to the International Executive Board of the Federation (herein
called IEB) by any party who was a participant therein. Appeals from such proceedings shall be perfecled in the manner provided by the
Rules of Practice and Procedure of the IEB in effect at the lime of such appeal. All rulings and awards.mede by the Local Union in
arbitration which are not appealed to the IEB shall be final and binding upon the Purchaser and participating Musician(s) and all rulings and
awards made by the IEB on appeal shall be final end binding upon the Purchaser and participating Musician(s). Any party to an arbitration
proceeding before the Loc. al Union or to an arbitration appeal to the IEB may bring an action to confirm or enforce a final determination and
award of the Local Union or, if appealed, of the IEB in the courts of jurisdiction in which the office of the Local Union is located; and the
Purchaser and participating Musician(s) agree to submit to the jurisdiction of such court or courts for that purpose.
paymant~ hereunder are to be made in the name of a payee other Ihan INTERNATIONAL CREATIVE MANAGEMENT, INC., Purchaser will
prepi~re all applicable Federal and State tax Information retums Including Federal fora 1099.MI80, Federal form W-2, or Federal form 1042~.
1999-2000 READY EDDIE~/~~
RIDER
Hotel:
Eddie,Money / 1999
Check In Date:
Check Out Date:
NAME
01) Joseph Keller
02) Bob LeBarre
Tour Manager
03) Tommy Girvin
04) Randy Forrester
05) John Snider
06) Trent Stroh
07) Dave Barnett
08) Bobby LeVine
09) Donni~Barnhart
10) Justin Case
10) Jon Graves
11) Jeff Weirick
Non Smoking Room
Adjoining mo-room suite
Smoking, Single King
ROOM #
BAG #
Non Smoking, Single King
Smoking, Single King
Non Smoking, Single King
Non Smoking, Single King
Smoking, Single King
Smoking, Single King
Non Smoking, Single King
Non Smoking, Single King
Non Smoking, Single King
Non Smoking, Single King
Please have all guests pre'registered with keys and rooming lists ready for distribution
on arrival. Ample parking for 45' bus with trailer may be required and asked for (street
parking is not an option). No rooms are to be near vending machines, elevator shafts,
or located on a side of the hotel facing a main thoroughfare or facing east (sunrise).
Several members of the entourage are day sleepers. Please instruct the housekeeping
staff to delay their duties in our section of the hotel as long as possible. Lodging
charges for the entire group are to be handled by Mr. LeBarre and all lodging charges
are to be maintained on a separate folio under Mr. LeBarre's name. In the event of any
We thank you for your consideration and look forward to our visit.
8~~ Mr. LeBarre immediately. He can be reached on his voice mail cell
July 28, 1999
In all headline situations, A~ist shall receive 100% Headline ~iilin~. In any and all publici~ rele~es
and paid adve~isemcnts, including but not limited to pro~s, fliers, si~s, lobby ~ards and
marquees. ~o other name or photo~ph shall sp~ in ~ ~th rester to size, ~ickness, ~idness
and prominence o~e ~ accorded ~ist ~d no other n~e or photo~ph s~li ap~ar on thc ssmc
linc or above the nsme o~ ~. ~en not ~dlinJnB, ~ist sh~l alsys moire ~cial Guest S~r
~illin~ ~d s~ll meive not less ~n ?5% o~ ceremon~ m~t ~ approved b? ~ists represen~tive p~o~
to confi~ation o~ sup~in8 set Billin8 Jo ~l ~ve~isJn~ ~d )ublJcJ~ is to re~:
EDD~ MO~Y
Radlo' Station or Product CO-Pre~ent~ Promoter Co.Promote~: ~y pro~s~ for m~o s~tion ~
~ and approved by ~'s ~agement ~or to ~y ~ation of such tie-in c~sent or ~
promote. Mso, ~y c~pmmo~ sit~fion ~ ~y promoter other ~n con~ct sider ~ sho~ ~11 fi~
2. CANCELLATION
Purchaser agrees that Artist may cancel the Engagement hereunder, at Artist's sole discretion. By giving
Purchaser notice thereof at least thirty (30) days prior to the commencement date of the engagement
hereunder.
3. FORCE MAJEURE
A~ist's obligation to furnish the Entertainment unit referred to herein is subject to the detention or
prevention by sickness, inability to perform, accident, means of transportation, Act of God, riots, strikes,
labor difficulties, epidemics and or order of any public authority or any cause, similar or dissimilar,
beyond Artist's control.
Provided Artist is ready, willing and able to perform, Purchaser agrees to compensate Artist in
accordance with the Term hereof regardless of Act of God, fire, accident, riot, strike or any events of
any kind or character whatsoever, whether similar or dissimilar to the foregoing events which would
prevent or interfere with the presentation of the show hereunder.
4. INCLEMENT WEATHER
Notwithstanding anything contained herein, inclement weather shall not be deemed to be a force
majeure occurrences and the Purchaser shall remain liable for payment of the full contract price even if
the performance (s) called for herein are prevented by such weather conditions. Artist shall have the sol
right to determine in good faith whether any such weather conditions shall render the Performance(s)
impossible, hazardous or un~fe.
July 18, 1999
N OV 0 9 i99§
9. PURCHASER ASSUMES LIAB1L. ITY
Except as otherwise herein specifically provided, Purchaser hereby assumes full liability and
responsibility for the payment of any and all cost's, expenses, charges, claims, losses, liabilities, and
damages related to or based upon the presentation or production of the show or shows in which Artist's
is to appear hereunder.
10. SPONSORSHIP
All forms of sponsorship, whether part of an ongoing series or specifically for Artist's show, must be
authorized by Producer.
11. BOX OFFICE PROVISIONS
In cases where the Artist is being paid on a percentage basis, Purchaser agrees to deliver to the Artist's
representative a plot plan and printers manifest of the house (Notarized, signed statement from the
printer of the tickets, listing amount of tickets printed at each price). Purchaser further agrees to have on
hand at the place of performance the night of the show, for counting and verification by representatives
of the Artist's, all unsold tickets. Artist shall be compensated for the difference between the number of
unsold tickets on hand and shown to its representative and the number of tickets primed as shown by
the ticket manifest. If Purchaser shall violate any of the preceding provisions of the paragraph, it shall
be deemed that Purchaser has sold a ticket for each seat in the house (and any permitted standing room)
at thc highest ticket price for which the house is scaled. Purchaser further agrees to give said
representative the right to enter the box- office at any time (during and after the performance) and to
examine and make extracts from the box-office records of Purchaser relating to the gross receipts of
this engagement. A written box-office statement, certified and signed by Purchaser, will be furnished to
Artist's within two (2) hours following each performance. Purchaser may not sell tickets to
performance herein as part of a subscription or other type of series of concerts, without written consent
of Artist's. Ali tickets printed under the manifest shall be oftbe one stub, one price variety. There shall
be no multiple price tickets printed. Examples of tickets prohibited under this agreement are:
a). One price for students and a different price for general admissions of the same tickets, or, b). One
price for tickets bought in advance and a different price for tickets bought at the gate on the same
tickets.
Further, no tickets can be sold for seats located to the rear of the stage where the stage and equipment
on stage is obstructing normal eye-level viewing of Artist's performance, unless the location of the seat
is clearly indicated on the tickets. Tickets sold behind bandstand must be marked "Impaired Vision" or
"Behind Bandstand".
If Purchaser violates the above agreement, he shall be liable for the total amount of tickets sold at the
highest price primed on the ticket. A bonded ticket house shall print all tickets. (Example: Globe
Tickets, Arcus-Simplex) or, if the performance is at a coil.ego or university. The official, p~nting
department of the university or college. Purchaser agrees not to discount tickets or to offer tickets as a
premium without first obtaining permission in writing from the Artist. If Purchaser does sell or
distribute discount or complimentary tickets without prior approval, or is in excess of thc number
printed, he shall be liable for the full ticket price of each such ticket sold or distributed.
N
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ente~inment ~it in co~ection ~th the engagemenL including but not limited to, the details, means
and methods of the ~ffo~ce of ~he eme~i~ent unit and each member thereof, and the ~rsons to
be employed by the ~i~ in ~ffo~ing the provisions hereof on ~ist's ~ to be ~ffo~ed. Artist
shall ~ve ~e sole right, ~ ~ist may see fit, to desi~ate and change the ~ffo~ing ~rsonnel other
than ~e ARist. It is s~cifically ~de~t~d and a~ed t~t a ~esenmtive of the ~ist shall have the
sole and absolute au~od~ in directing ~rsonnel o~mting all li~ting ~d ~ound equipment du~ng ~
rehearsal ~d each ~ffo~ce ~heduled herein. ~ "~'~ ' ~: '~ ,, ;'~. ~ ~~ ~e ~~
~ist ~ll not ~ffo~" ~ -~e-ro~d' ~s s~ifi~ on ~e; fa~ offs con, ct. c'~ ~}~
~ist shall not ~ requi~ ~ ~ffo~ ~fore a S~e~ted Audience. ~ ~'. ~
~ ~se~ ~e a~roval fi~t of ~y other ~ons to ap~ in conj~ion ~th this ~ffo~ance
~d ~e figh~ w dete~ine ~e len~ ~d ~ of their ~ffo~ce(s). A ~olation of this elaine s~ll
~tle ~ist to re~se m ~ish ~e ~ffo~e~ described herein but Purch~er shall remain obli~ted
m~e all ~ents herein ~t fo~. P~ch~r a~s ~at ~ere ~11 ~ no M~ter of Ceremonies, no
welcoming s~eches, no in~uctiom, ~d no ceremonies nt inte~ission except ~ ~ist may direct.
7. REPRODUCTION OF PERFORMANCE
No portion of the performance rendered hereunder may be broadcast, Photographed, recorded, filmed,
taped or embodied in any form for any purpose! or reproducing such performance without Artist's prior
written consent. Purchaser will deny entrance to any persons carrying audio or video recording devices
without limiting in any ,,ay the generality of the foregoing prohibition, it is understood to include
members of the audience, press and Purchasers staff.
In the event that the Purchaser, his agents, servants, employees, contractors, etc., reproduce or cause to
be reproduced the Artist's performance in the form of films, tapes, or any other means of audio or video
reproductions, upon demand by Artist. Purchaser shall deliver all of the same (together with any and all
masters, negatives and other means of reproductions thereof) to Artist at Purchaser's sole cost and
expense, in addition to all other legal or equitable remedies which Artist may have.
$. PERSONAL APPEARAN. CES & .INTERVIEWS
Purchaser agrees that he will not commit Artist to any personal appearances, interviews, or any type of
promotion or appearance without Artist's prior consent. Artist is usually ve~j happy to do whatever
interviews Purchaser deems necessary to promote the show. However, because of Artist's rigorous travel
and promo schedule, it is imperative that requests for interviews, phone-in, or photos be made at least
48 hours in advance. We sincerely regret that Artist will not be available for interviews the day of the
show without such prior notice. ~
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July 18, 1999
OR: 2617 PG:.2908
N OV 0 § 199
12. COMPLIMENTARY
Please make available to the tour manager at 4 P.M. our allotment of forty (40) complimentary tickets,
ticket envelopes and backstage passes. In a reserved seating venue, please have seats reserved in the
middle orchestra (floor) section between rows Five (5) & Fifteen (15).
With three weeks prior notice from thc tour manager, or in venues with Seating, you will be expected to
provide up to seventy-five (75) complimentary tickets.
The number of complimentary tickets and passes given out by you including house and media corps
must be approved by ICM prior to the day of show and must be fully accounted for during settlement.
All photo passes will be provided through Artist's tour manager, Bob LeBarre 818-398-I 833.
13. SCALING
Purchaser will clearly prim the specific capacity, gross potential, and ticket price breakdown of the
facility where Artist's is to perform under this agreement on the face oftbe contract that this agreement
is attached to.
In the event Artist's is to receive a percentage of the gross receipts for this engagement pursuant to the
terms hereof, the term "gross receipts" or "gross box- office receipts" or similar phrases, shall mean all
box office receipts computed on the basis of the full retail ticket price for all tickets sold and in no event
less than the full retail tickets price for all persons entering the performance with no deductions of any
kind, less only federal, state, or local admission taxes and allowable discounts as approved by Artist's in
writing. The Purchaser agrees to scale the ticket prices for this engagement of guarantee potential gross
receipts of no less than $
14. FAIL~ TO FIJLF~ OBLI,,GATIQN$
Each one of the terms and conditions of this contract is of the essence of this agreement and necessa~.'
for Artist's full performance hereunder. In the event Purchaser refuses or neglects to provide any of the
items herein stated, and/or fails to make any of the payments as provided herein, Artist's shall have the
right to refuse to perform this contract, shall retain any amounts therefor paid to Artist's by Purchaser.
and Purchaser shall remain liable to Artist's for the agreed price herein set forth. In addition, if, on or
before the date of any scheduled concert, Purchaser has failed, neglected, .or refused to perform any
contract with any other performer for any earlier engagement, or if the financial standing or credit of
Purchaser has been impaired or is in Artist's opinion unsatisfactory, Artist's shall have the right to
cancel this engagement by notices to Purchaser to that effect, and in such event Artist shall retain anx
amount therefore paid to Artist by Purchaser.
· OR: 2617 PG' 2909
July 18, 1999 ' ~ ,
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15. MODIFICATION OF CONTRACT
It is understood and agreed that the contract may not be changed, modified, or altered, except by an
instrument in writing, signed in accordance with law of the State of California. This contract may not be
assigned, or changed, modified or altered except by an instrument in writing signed by the parties.
Nothing in this agreement shall require the performance ofany act contrary to the law or to the rules or
regulations of any union, guild, or similar body having jurisdiction over services of Artist or over the
performance hereunder. When ever there is any conflict between any provisions of this contract and any
law, or any such rule or regulation of any such union, guild or similar body, such law, rule or regulation
shall prevail, and this contract shall be modified to the extent necessary to eliminate such conflict. This
is the sole and complete agreement between the parties with respect to the engagement. Nothing in this
contract shall be construed to constitute the parties as a partnership or joint venture, and Artist's shall
not be liable in whole or part for any obligation that may be incurred by Purchaser in carrying out any of
the provisions.hereof or otherwise. ~' ' ..... ~'
16. INDEMNIFICATION
A. Purchaser agrees to indemnify and hold harmless Artist's and his employees, contractors, and/or
agents from and against any claims, cost's (including attorney's fees and court cost's), expenses,
damages, liabilities, losses or judgments arising out of, or in connection with, any claim, demand or
action made by any third party, if such are sustained as a direct or indirect consequence of the
Engagement.
B. Purchaser shall also indemnify and hold harmless Artist and his employees, contractors and/or agents
from and against any and all loss, damage and/or destruction occurring to its and/or lis employees,
contractors, or agents instnnnents and equipment at the place of the Engagement, including, but not
limited to, damage, loss or destruction caused by Act of God.
17. TAXES
Purchaser shall pay and hold Artist harmless of and from any and ali taxes, fees, dues and the like
relating to the engagement hereunder and the sums payable to Artist shall be fm of such taxes, fees,
dues and the like.
18. CHOICE OF LAW/FORUM
This agreement shall be deemed made and entered into the State of California.and shall be governed
all of the laws of such State applicable to agreements wholly to be performed therein.
19. ANTICIPATORY BREACH
If on or before the date of any scheduled performance hereunder, the financial standing or credit of
Purchaser has been impaired or is unsatisfactory, Artist's shall have the right to demand payment
forthwith of the guaranteed compensation specified above, and if Purchaser fails or refuses to make
such payments forthwith, Artist shall then have the right to cancel this agreement. In the event of such
cancellation, Artist's shall have no further obligation to Purchaser hereunder, and shall retain any
monies therefore paid to Artist's by Purchaser.
July 18, 1999
20. INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL
OR: 2617 PG: 2910
N OV. {! 9 !99
In the event the place of performance is outside the continental limits of the United States, Purchaser
agrees to procure, at his sole expense, for Artist and part, the necessary visas, work permits and other
documents of any nature whatsoever necessary or usually obtained to enable Artist to render its services
hereunder. Also, Purchaser shall be responsible for, and indemnify and hold Artist's harmless from and
against all local, municipal and country or government taxes, fees, or levies on all income earned by
Artist's, or Artist's employees while in the country or countries covered by this contract.
21. INSURANCE
PurchaSer shall provide the following'insurance coverage
(I) a policy of public liability and property damage insurance with limits of not less th_an One
Million Dollars ($1,000,000.00) per event or Three Million Dollars ($3,000,000.00) general aggregate to
protect against injuries to persons or property as a consequence of the installation and/or operation of
the equipment provided by the Artist
(H) A policy of Worker's Compensation Insurance covering all of Purchasers employees Who are
involved in any manner in the installation, operation and/or maintenance of the equipment provided by
Artist; and
(m) A policy of public liability and property damage insurance naming .Eddie Money, and their
officers, agents and employees individual and collectively, as additional insurers therein in an amount
not less than Two Million Dollars ($2,000,000.00) for each event and Five Million Dollars
($5,000,000.00) general Aggregate.
Purchaser shall supply Artist's with appropriate certificates of Insurance showing that all of the above
insurance coverage is in full force and effect in the manner and for thc amounts as specified above at
least two weeks prior to thc show date. Purchaser is solely responsible for such complete insurance
coverage. Purchaser hereby indemnifies and holds Eddic Money. and each of them, and their respective
licenses, employees, agents and designees fm and harmless from and against any and all loss, costs,
damage or expenses, including reasonable attorneys fees incurred or suffered by or on behalf of any
third party entity, person, firm or corporation as a result of or in connection with the engagement, which
claim does not result directly from the sole negligence of Artist, or their respective employees,
licensees, agents and designees. Artist warrants that all employees of Artist and Workman's
Compensation Insurance; a certificate evidencing such coverage to be carried by the tour accountant
covers Artist's subcontractors.
22. MERCHANDISING
Purchaser agrees that Artist and/or his representative shall have sole and exclusive right to the sale of
souvenir booklets and other merchandise at this performance. Purchaser further warrants that there will
be no sale or other distribution of musical recordings (records, tapes, CD's, DAT, video) or any other
souvenir material at this performance without the express written permission of the Artist's. Purchaser
agrees tO provide adequate space for representative of Artist to vend such souvenir booklets. The
number of stands needed will be designated by the Artist's merchandising director and must be
complied with by the hall,' These stands shall be immovable and given proper police security.
All hall sellers shall be used at the discretion of Artist's merchandising director. Artist's merchandising
director shall have thc right to requcst additional hall sellers if he feels that a sufficient number has not
been provided. '" ~'' '~ :~' "~ i~ ' , .
PLEAS~ NOTEi'All ope~ng Act Sales must match Eddie Moneys Price List.
July 18, 1999
OR:
2617 PG: 2912
tOV 0 9 199
PRODUCTION REQUIREMENTS
1. PRODUCTION OFFICE
We will require a room at stage level to be used as our production office. Said room must have two (2)
incoming/outgoing phone lines. It would be most beneficial if these were direct touch-tone lines not
routed through any office switchboard and have modular phone jacks. Please make available to us a
photocopy machine and fax machine.
2. SECURITY
You must provide enough security and insurance against all loss of musical and electronic equipment,
road cases, and personal property of the band and crew in the dressing rooms, backstage area, and on
stage.
At all times when Eddie Money and/or band are at the venue, T-Shirted security personnel are needed at
the backstage entrance and at the side of the stage when the band is on stage. When doors are open to
the audience, T-Shifted security personnel are also needed at the mixing lighting consoles.
Security in Front ofthe stage is a must.
Please have the head of security available to speak with the tour manager regarding deployment of
security personnel.
It is essential to provide security (either T-Shifted or uniformed) in the area of our trucks and buses until
load out is completed.
Security must be provided in the area of the dressing room from doors open to doors close.
A security barricade, when required by local ordinance, should be of Iow profile design and as
inconspicuous as possible. The barricade should be supplied when it is necessary to ground support
from the pit.
* Please Note: Eddie would prefer lo have a barricade 2 to 4 ft. from the front of the stage.
Stairs stage right and stage left with railings and lights are needed.
3. SO, .Ub C.HE,CK
Our sound check is very important to us and normally will require one to two hours. Sound Check must
be completed to the satisfaction of the band and technical crew before the band leaves the stage and the
doors open. Only necessary working personnel will be allowed in the hall during sound check.
Although it is Eddie Money's policy to always allow a support band to sound check, we must reserve the
right to sound check up until the same time the doors open, and even hold the opening of the doors, if
there are unexpected technical difficulties.
July 28,i1999 OR: 2617 PG: -2913
4. DRESSING ROOM REQUIREMENTS
One large room for Eddie with full-length mirror, electrical outlets, clothes hangers, and clean
bathrooms with hot and cold running water, showers, and soap & towels.
One large room for the band with same, plus comfortable seating for 15 people. This room will be used
for band hospitality.
The dressing rooms should be well lit,'clean & dry, with independent heating and cooling controls.
Please keep the support act's dressing room(s) in a different area or on a different floor than ours.
* Please note that it is very important that you make sure these rooms, has been thorouRhl¥ cleaned
** Showers should be available with hot water from rigging call until one hour after load out.
5. PARAGRAPH HEADINGS
Paragraph headings are inserted in this rider for convenience only and are not to be used in
interpreting this agreement.
AGREED TO AND ACCEPTED:
PURCHASER
EDWARD MAHONEY A/K/A EDDIE MONEY
ALL PAYMENTS BY CHECK: should be made out to EDDIE MONEY. Eddie's Federal ID # is
94-2372618
ANY PROBLEMS OR QUESTIONS should be discussed well m advance of the show date with the
following Artist's representatives:
BOOKING AGENT: ICM
Christianne Weiss or Terry Rhodes 40 W 57th St. NY, NY 10019 phone# (212) 556,~: $'g ff~
fax # (212) 556-6847
Tour Manager, Bob LeBarre 818-398-1833 for advancing
603-372-0727 Fax
Production Manager, Jeff Weirick ~ for advancing
July 18, ! 999
OR: 2617
*MEALS
LUNCH FOR 8 SHOULD BE SERVED AROUND 1:00 P.M.
DINNER FOR 17 SHOULD BE SERVED I HOUR
BEFORE DOORS FOLLOWING SOUND CHECK USUALLY 6:00 P.M.
*** OF THE MEALS, TWO SHOULD BE AN UNBREADED, BAKED OR
GRILLED BONELESS, SKINLESS CHICKEN BREAST (spices ok)
*** BUY OUT FOR LUNCH MAY BE SETTLED IN THE FORM OF
BUY OUT OF NO LESS THAN $15.00 per PERSON
*** BUY OUT DINNER MAY BE SETTLED IN THE FORM OF
BUY OUT OF NO LESS THAN $20.00 per PERSON
"PLEASE" ADVANCE DINNER WITH
TOUR MANAGER BOB LEBARRE 818-398-1833
PG:
2914
OR: 2617
July 18,'1999'
PG: 2915
0 1992
HOSPITALITY FOR EDDIE MONEY
LOAD IN,.', .(normally at noon) MIXED ASSORTMENT OF DRINKS (Sodas, Water, Coffee,
Near the STAGE and RESTOCKED till DONE)
LUNCH FOR 8: SMALL MEAT DELI TRAY WITH BREAD & CONDIMENTS OR CHOICE OF SUBW
ANY RESTAURANT (muse be Non-Fat food available, boneless skinless chicken breasts for 3 preferred)
IN DRESSING ROOM A r BAND A ,R~, VAL: (usually 5:00 P.M.)
CONTINUOUS HOT WATER & FRUIT TEAS, CAFFEINE FREE~ WITH LEMON & HONEY
* CONTINUOUS HOT COFFEE, RF_,GUI.,AE ~ DECAl: ·'I :,; ~.; ~ :~.,
COFFEE CONDINEMENTS, HALF & HALF, PACKETS OF SWEET & LOW OR EQUAL, SUGAR
AND NON-DAIRY POWDERED,CREAMER, 1 GALLON OF 2% MILK, FRENCH VANILLA
CREAMER.
1 QUART OF FRESH SQUEEZED ORANGE JUICE
2 CASES 24 LOT EACH OF 16 OZ. Bottles NATURAL SPRING WATER
2 LARGE 'A LB. BAGS M & M'S, 1 WITH PEANUTS, 1 WITHOUT
I BAG OF OATMEAL RAISIN COOKIFS
1 BAG OFOREO COOK--S
1 BOX CLIFF ENERGY BARS
1 BOX OF HOSTESS CUPCAKES
1 DOZEN SNACK WELLS LOW FAT FRUIT BARS AND COOKIES [ANY FLAVOR]
I ROLL OF PAPER TOWELS
I DOZIZ~N 20 OZ. HOT CUPS
1 DOZEN 20 OZ. COLD CUPS
1 BOTTLE of OCEAN SPRAY CRANGRAPE OR CRANAPPLE JUICE
2 PACKS OF WATERMELON BUBBLIOUS GUM
2 PACKS OF HALL'S COUGH DROPS (BLUE)
2 ROLLS OF TUMS
!,,.In Dressing_ Room 1 Hour Before Show Time
I BOX SWISS MISS (1 BOX FAT FREE) or COMPARABLE HOT CHOCOLATE MD(
2 6-PACKS OF PEPSI
i CASE of DIET COKE
1 CASE of COKE
1 6 PACK OF DIET MTN. DEW
1 6 PACK of 7- UP
1 6' PACK ROOT BEER
2 4-PACKS SNAPPLE PINK LEMONADE / REGULAR LEMONADE
4 ASSORTED YOGURT FRUIT FLAVORS [FAT FREE]
OR: 2617 PG: 2916
July 28, 1999 ~t'JV ~. ~ !~}~]~
6 SOLID WHITE TUNA LUNCHABLES SNACK PACKS [LOW CAL & FAT with Crackers & Mayo
(Comes with Easy Open Top and is NOT pre-mixed)
3 ASSORTED LUNCHABLES
I LARGE BAG OF NACHO DORRITOS
I LARGE BAG of POTATOES CHIPS WITH FRENCH ONION DIP
SUFFICIENT ICE & CONDINElv[ENTS [RESTOCK ICE WHEN NEEDED]
25 LARGE BATH TOWELS
I DELI TRAY OF FRUIT & VEGETABLES WITH DIP
******** 1 MEAT and CHEESE DELI TRAY FOR 10 WITH 1 LOAF OF 7 GRAIN BREAD
(Must be kept cold or refrigerated, sealed meats & cheeses are a great substitute)
· 1 MULTI-Pack (24) Kellogg's Assorted Boxes of Cereal, Small Boxes, with pa~k of bowls
Please pre-order 4 large pepperoni pizza's for delivery after show
STA GE DRINK LIST:
{ALL STAGE DRINKS SHOULD BE PULLED FROM MAIN DRESSINGROOM LIST}
(To be put on stage right by guitar world 1 hour before show or time agreed on)
* 2 BUS TUBS (Or I LARGE CONTAINER) FILLED WITH ICE
* 1- 6 PACK DIET COKE
* 1- 6 PACK REGULAR COKE
* 1 CASE (24) of 16 Oz. BOTTLES of NATURAL SPRING WATER
* 16 LARGE BATH TOWELS.
******** 2 DOZEN 20 Oz. (Non See Through Solo Plastic Cups) ..
OR: 2617 PG: 2917
{ OV § 199§
Please advance the following with Jeff' Weifick, Production Manager;
Sound Rider
The Eddie Money Band does not share mixing consoles with any other act on the bill.
Attention: All equipment including: mixing desks, effects, eqs, gates, compressors, limiters, reverbs,
delays, mics, mic lines, snakes~ amplifiers, speakers, cabinets, and all connecting cables must be fully
operable and in good working condition.
WE DO NOT SHARE, MIXING DESKS!Il
House Sound System " ...... ':'i~ :'~' ' ~"'<;' {'' ' /
.~, f 'i'~ ':~. =,':~C '.:,~~ i'. ~ .... ~, ? - ~
· us ster
· Speaker system must be at least a 3 way system capable of achieving 120db of Clean, Clear, Full-
range sound at the rear of the venue.
Mixed position; must be no greater than 12" above head height, must be center of stage, and
between ?~ fee~ and 100 feet from front of stnge.
' From of house drive rack must have 2 (two) 31 band 1/3 octave graphic Eq's regardless of the other
processing
Rouse playback
I Cassette deck recorder
! CD Player
· CD Playback must not be included in the 40 channels required
F.O,.H: Cons. ole
A Yamaha 40 Channel PM 4000 is the required console.
If unavailable a state of the art 40 channel console containing a minimum of 8 Aux. sends, 8 VC^'s and
8 sub groups can be used only by prior approval of production staff. Acceptable consoles are PM 3000,
Midas, and some SonndCrafl, and Gamble consoles.
F.O.H: OUTBOARD GEAR
Six effects are required for the front of house these must contain:
3_ reverbs (SPX 990, SPX 900)
2_ delays; must be programmable
1_ pitch change device (EVENTIDE H3000, H3500, H4000, SPX900, SPX990, SPX90II)
'July 28, 1999
OR:
OTHER REQUIRED EFX
8 Gates: Drawmer, Aphex, Intellagate
10 Comps Drawmer, Aphex, DBX
Any other brands must be approved!
Aceeotable EQuioment fONLY BY PRIOR APPROV, A, L)
REVS [REV 5, LEXICON PCM 70, PCM 81, PCM 90, 224 XL,480 XL]
DDL [TC2290, SDE 330, SDE 2500, SDE 1000]
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Monitor Console
Must contain at least 32 fully functional inputs with 10 fully operable independent mixes
Must contain at least 3 band parametric or 4 band sweepable eq per channel
Acceptable Consoles: Ramsa 840, Sounderat~ SM series, Midas, and some Yamah~ upon approval
Monitor EQ
Must have 10 functioning 1/3 octave cqs
Monitor Que
Must have one floor monitor that is representative, (same components), of the wedges that are on the
stage. Que must also be able to solo both input channels and post eq output mixes
ABSOLUTELY NOPEAVEY&MACKIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Monitor System
10 bi-amped wedges, with one 15" ortwo 12" low end speakers, with 2"
compression drivers (1" are unacceptable)
2 Tri-amped side: fills, EAW Iff 8:50, S-4, PAS, etc
I Tri-amped drum fill
4 noise gates
I comp/gates
1 Reverb (SPX 90, Rev 5, etc)
Lightin~
64 Par 64's minimum (4 on floor stands)
2 follow spots and operators
3 strobes
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INPUT INSERT STANDS MICfDI
! Kick Ct+ Sm. Boom ours
2 Snare (Top) m ~ lmm Sm,.I Boom sM-S7
3 Snare (Bottom) Ct+ Sm. Boom RE-20
4 Hi Hat Lg. Boom SM-81 / 451
5 Ride Hat Sm. Boom SM-81 / 4S 1
6 Tom 1 G+, ,~ .... ours
7 Tom 2 G+ ours
8 Tom 3 Ct+ ours
9 Overhead'(right) Lg..Boom SM-81 / 451
10 Overhead (left) Lg. Boom.,. SM-81 / 451
11 Conga Low ..... · ...... , 421 / SM-57
12 Con. High . '~' , .... {
13 Percussion ~: , ..... . Lg. Boom SM-81 / 451
14 Bass DI ~ comp Active DI
15 Bass mic comp straight 421
16 Guitar (left) SM-57
17 Guitar(right) '~,. SM-57
18 Acoustic Guitar I Active DI
19 XP-50 (left) ...... Active DI
20 XP-50 (right) Active, DI
..21 Kurzweil K2500 (left) 2 comps., Active DI
22 Kurz~.. ~il K2500 (fight) Across S.G. 5 and 6 Active DI
23 Organ (high) Straig~ht SM-57
24 Organ (low) 421
25 Vocal - Percussion Comp Lg. Boom SM-58
26 Vocal - Guitar Comp Lg. Boom SM-58.,
27 Vocal - B~s Comp Lg. Boom SM-58
28 Vocal - Eddie (RF) Comp ,. Lg. Boom Ours SM-87 uhf
29 Vocal- Eddie (hardwire spare)Comp . . Straight SM-58
30 Sax (RF) comp Our vhf
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PG: ..2922
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Check Option
1 3 tier Standtastic, keyboard stand
1 Roland XP 50
1 Hamm. ond XB2-R Organ ,,
1 Kurtzwell K2500 Keyboard Must contain
Orchestral and Contemporary ROM cards
1 Hammond 122 Lesley (or Lesley 147 on
approval)with all cables for XB2-R or XB-2
Pre amp for 122 or pre amp pedal for 147
with all cables
2 Sus,tain. P. ed,als ,
1 Lesley Volume Foot Pedal
I Lesley Rotor Foot Pedals Switch
1 3' Midi Cablet 6 - 8' %' cable
6 8' 114x114 phone cables
G~itar Rig#1
3" 'MESA BOOGIE DUAL RE~;TIFIERS .....
2 , Marshall 1960 reissue 4x12 Slant speaker
cabinet
3 30' gu ar cables
Bass Rig
2 S V T Heads
1 ' S v T 8X10 cabinet '
or ~ '
2 Tface Elliot HI Output Heads .... '" ............ ~ .....
'-' with Trace Elliot ,S,.peaker Cabineti~ B '
4x10 with lx15 enclosures
Note Pleaee heye all cables for all connect_.ions
Drum Kit
, DW ,D. rums 0nly
1 22' Kick Drum
1 10" Rack Tom
I ~ ~ 12" Rack Tom
1 '16" Floor Tom
I 14" x 6" DW Snare Drum and Stand
I DW Hi-hat
Note: rack toms should mount on'a cymbal
type floor stand
6 cymbal stands
I. x-hat with mounting brackets
I adjustable throne
.......... iwe will:bring our own tom and kick mice,...!~::'
pedals~cYmbals and L P/ClaWs for
Percussion Kit? : .....
I -. set of L.P. Quinto & Conga
· ~ with adjustable center mount stand (to be
played standing) or LP. cradles,
I set of L.P. Brass Timbales
, with adjustable s,tand (Tilting).
1 L.P. Rock Ridge Rider classi(~' (cow bel!)
I . ,.L.P. Red Jam Block
2, L.P. (rod mount) tambourines
3 Cymbal stands, D.W. booms preferred
1 Pead X-hat with mounting brackets
1 set 13" hi-hat cymbals Zildjian
2 matched 17" crash cTmbals
we wil! bdng our own shakers, sticks &
hand tambourines only
we will provide L.P. claws for mica for the
congas
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GROUP HEALTH
ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES AGREEMENT
THIS Agreement is executed the 1st day of January 1, 2000, by and between Collier County
Government hereinafter referred to as the "Plan Administrator" of Collier County Government
Flexible Reimbursement Plan and, Corporate Benefit Services of America, Inc. dba Robey-Barber
Insurance Services Corporation, 10159 Wayzata Boulevard, Minnetonka, Minnesota 55305, hereinafter
referred to~ as "Contract Administrator".
WHEREAS, the Plan Administrator has established an employee benefit plan, hereinafter referred to
as the "Plan", which provides for payment of certain welfare benefits to and for certain eligible
individuals as defined by the Plan's master plan document, such individuals being hereinafter referred
to as "Plan Participants"; and
WHEREAS, the Plan Administrator desires to engage the services of the Contract Administrator to act
as agent for the Plan Administrator and provide administrative services for the Plan;
NOW, THEREFORE, in consideration of the mutual covenants and conditions contained herein, the
parties hereto agree as follows:
SECTION 1 DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF PLAN ADMINISTRATOR
1.01
1.02
1.03
1.04
1.05
1.06
The Plan Administrator, through its Risk Management Director, retains all final authority and
responsibility for the Plan and its operation. The Contract Administrator is empowered to act
only as expressly stated in this Agreement or as mutually agreed to in writing.
The Plan Administrator, through its Risk Management Director, shall have final authority in
determining the eligibility of claims to be paid by the Plan with the express exception of the
amount of any claim eligible for reimbursement pursuant to the applicable stop-loss policy.
The Plan Administrator shall have final authority in directing the investment and use of Plan
assets.
The Plan Administrator shall be responsible for funding to a sufficient level to ensure prompt
payment of all expenses incurred by the Plan.
The Plan Administrator shall be responsible for collecting all appropriate contributions to the
Plan from all Plan Participants.
Duties of the Plan Administrator:
provide the Contract Administrator with plan enrollment information
including but not limited to completed enrollment forms. In addition, for
all eligible employees previously covered, the Plan Administrator shall
furnish prior effective dates of coverage, prior plan benefits, and
information regarding satisfaction of deductible and co-insurance
payments.
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b)
notify the Contract Administrator on a monthly basis of any changes in
eligibility and participation. Notice of Plan Participant termination must
be given within 30 days of the termination. Credits for reinsurance
premiums and administrative fees will not be retroactive beyond two
months or to the beginning of the current stop-loss contract, whichever
time period is shorter;
c)
review, approve and distribute to all eligible Plan Participants all
appropriate and necessary materials and documents, including but not
limited to, summary plan descriptions, Plan Document amendments,
identification cards, enrollment forms, applications and notice forms as
may be necessary for the operation of the Plan or to satisfy the
requirements of state or federal laws or regulations;
d) satisfy all reporting and disclosure requirements imposed by law;
1.07 The Plan Administrator, to the extent permitted by law, agrees to defend, indemnify and hold
harmless the Contract Administrator, its directors, officers, representatives and employees against
any and all claims, lawsuits, settlements, judgments, costs, penalties, damages and liabilities,
including reasonable attorneys' fees, resulting from or arising out of or in connection with any
function of the Contract Administrator under this Agreement or with a claim for benefits unless the
court rendering the judgment or the agency making the award determines the liability underlying the
judgment or award was caused by negligence, fraud, or criminal conduct by the Contract
Administrator. Negligence by the Contract Administrator shall not include any act or omission
which is reasonable, made in good faith, and within acceptable industry standards.
SECTION 2 DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CONTRACT ADMINISTRATOR
2.01
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The Contract Administrator agrees to perform the following administrative services for the Plan
Administrator:
assist in the preparation and printing of a master plan document,
summary plan description, identification cards and other material
necessary to the operation of the Plan;
b) process and adjudicate all claims presented for payment;
c)
respond to inquiries from the Plan Administrator, Plan Participants and
service providers concerning requirements, procedures or benefits of the
Plan;
d)
review all applications for coverage under the Plan in accordance with
underwriting guidelines based upon accepted industry practices and
executed in a nondiscriminatory manner, to provide assistance in
determining eligibility for status as a Plan Participant;
e) maintain all claim files for the Plan;
prepare and provide monthly fund accounting reports;
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2.02
2.03
g)
h)
I)
j)
k)
1)
provide the Plan Administrator with monthly reports and an annual
summary report of the operation of its Plan;
provide information necessary for and assist the Plan Administrator in
preparing reports required by any local, state or federal government
pertaining to the operation of the Plan. Additional compensation shall
be negotiated between the parties where required reporting or disclosure
would require the Contract Administrator to incur additional expense to
collect required information;
assist the Plan Administrator in the procurement of stop-loss coverage,
if requested;
prepare a monthly billing statement and collect and remit all insurance
premiums and vendor fees, if requested.
perform COBRA administration services on behalf of the Plan
Administrator to include participant notification, processing of
applicable applications, and premium collection and remittance to Plan
Administrator.
perform HIPPA administration on behalf of the Plan Administrator to
include the maintenance of creditable service information and
communication of same to employees or employers who inquire.
m)
provide an on site customer service representative to the Plan
Administrator in accordance with the fees included in Exhibit A and the
services selected by the Plan Administrator, through its Risk
Management Director. Plan Administrator shall provide office space,
furniture, and utilities at its expense. Contract Administrator shall
provide data processing equipment, data connections, data transmission
costs, office supplies and any other miscellaneous costs associated with
the support of the on site representative. It is understood by the parties
to this agreement that the on site representative is an employee of the
Contract Administrator.
The Contract Administrator shall inform the Plan Administrator of matters that come to the
Contract Administrator's attention regarding appeals and potential legal action involving the
Plan. The defense of any legal action involving the Plan shall not be the obligation of the
Contract Administrator, but the Contract Administrator shall fully cooperate with the Plan
Administrator in the defense of action arising out of matters related to this Agreement.
The Contract Administrator agrees to indemnify and hold harmless the Plan Administrator,
its directors, officers, representatives and employees against any and all claims, lawsuits,
settlements, judgments, costs, penalties, damages and liabilities, including reasonable
attorney's fees, resulting from or arising out of or in connection with any function of the
Contract Administrator under this Agreement which was caused by the negligence, fraud or
criminal conduct by the Contract Administrator. Plan Administrator agrees to provide
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Contract Administrator with prompt written notice of any claim for which Plan
Administrator believes there is a potential for indemnification obligation on the part of
Contract Administrator under the provisions of this Section 2.03. Negligence by the Contract
Administrator shall not include any act or omission which is reasonable, made in good faith,
and within acceptable industry standards.
SECTION 3 FEES OF THE ADMINISTRATOR
3.01 The Contract Administrator shall receive payment in accordance with its proposal and Exhibit
A, incorporated by reference and amended each Plan Year thereafter.
3.02
If the Plan Administrator, for any reason, fails to make a required fee payment or necessary
contribution for claim payment as requested by the Contract Administrator on a timely basis,
the Contract Administrator may:
a)
suspend the performance of its services to the Plan until such time as the
Plan Administrator makes the proper remittance;
b)
cease all administrative services retroactively to the end of the month for
which full payment was last received.
3.03
The Contract Administrator shall have the right to increase fees if governmental regulation
requires additional services, upon providing 30 days written notice of such an increase to the
Plan Administrator.
3.04
If the Plan Administrator requests the Contract Administrator to re-process claims due to a
retroactive plan amendment or change, the Contract Administrator will be entitled to
compensation at the rate of $5.00 for each Explanation of Benefits (EOB) which is re-processed.
3.05
RUN-OUT FEES: If the Contract Administrator is to continue to pay claims on a run-out basis,
after termination of the Plan, the following will apply:
a)
The administration charge in effect at the time of termination will apply,
but in no instance will the administration charge be less than $10.00 per
employee per month.
b)
The monthly administration charge will be billed for three (3) months
and is payable as of the termination date. Upon the completion of this
three month period, the fee for services performed will be on a per claim
basis.
c)
The Contract Administrator will process all claims that are received
within six (6) months of termination.
d)
The fees to be charged for run-out services shall be determined at the
time of contract termination and shall be agreed to in a Memorandum of
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Understanding to be signed by the Contract Administrator and Plan
Administrator, through its Risk Management Director.
SECTION 4 LIMITS OF THE CONTRACT ADMINISTRATOR'S RESPONSIBILITY
4.01
The Contract Administrator shall have no responsibility, risk, liability or obligation for the
funding of the Plan. The responsibility and obligation for funding the Plan shall be solely and
totally the responsibility of the Plan Administrator.
4.02
In the event the Contract Administrator pays any person less than the amount to which the
person is entitled under the Plan, the Contract Administrator will promptly adjust the
underpayment. In the event the Contract Administrator overpays a beneficiary, the Contract
Administrator shall take all reasonable steps to recover the overpayment. The Contract
Administrator shall have no liability nor be required to initiate court proceedings to recover an
overpayment.
SECTION 5 SUBROGATION
5.01
The Plan Administrator authorizes and directs the Contract Administrator to contract with the
subrogation vendor identified in Exhibit A, on behalf of the Plan and its subrogation rights. The
subrogation vendor shall pursue subrogation rights on behalf of the Plan. The Contract
Administrator shall coordinate with the subrogation vendor but shall have no affirmative duty
to pursue the Plan's subrogation rights.
SECTION 6 RECORDS
6.01
During the term of this Agreement, the Contract Administrator shall maintain for six (6) years
following receipt, all records and files in conjunction with the administrative services to be
performed hereunder. The term "records and files" shall include the claim files, unissued and
canceled checks, bank statements, copies of reinsurance applications and contracts, and copies
of the account ledger sheets of the plan accounts.
6.02 Individual claim files shall be available to properly authorized persons. Copies will be made
available at the Plan Administrators' expense.
6.03
The Contract Administrator shall within fifteen (15) business days following upon receipt
written notice from the Plan Administrator, allow the Plan Administrator or an authorized agent
to inspect or audit relevant records and files maintained by the Contract Administrator at the
administrative office of the Contract Administrator during normal business hours. The Plan
Administrator shall be liable for any and all fees charged by the auditor. The Contract
Administrator shall be furnished with a copy of the auditor's final report. Auditors will be
required to sign a confidentiality agreement, unless such is not permitted pursuant to the Florida
Public Records laws.
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SECTION 7 TERM OF AGREEMENT
7.01
7.02
This Agreement shall become effective at 12:01 a.m. on the 1st day of January 1, 2000, and
shall renew annually until terminated pursuant to Section 8 of this Agreement. This month and
day shall be known as the "Annual Renewal Date".
This Agreement shall constitute the entire contract between the parties and no modification or
amendment hereto shall be valid unless in writing and signed by both parties.
SECTION 8 TERMINATION
8.01 This Agreement may be terminated:
a)
on the Annual Renewal Date, by giving written notice of termination
thirty (30) days prior;
b)
on a date other than the Annual Renewal Date by giving written notice
of termination sixty (60) days prior;
c)
upon the date of bankruptcy or insolvency of the Contract Administrator
or the Plan Administrator;
d)
by the non-breaching party in the event the breaching party fails to
correct a material breach within fifteen (15) days of receiving written
notification of breach of contract by non-breaching party.
8.02
Upon termination by either party, the Contract Administrator shall within sixty (60) days, deliver
to the Plan Administrator a report reflecting the Plan Participants' deductible and co-insurance
status for the current calendar year as well as a complete and final accounting of the financial
status of the Plan. The cost of producing additional reports shall be the responsibility of the
Plan Administrator. The Contract Administrator shall retain for five (5) years after termination
of this Agreement, all records and files in accordance with standards of insurance record
keeping. If the Plan Administrator desires possession of the records and files, the Contract
Administrator shall upon the request and at the expense of the Plan Administrator arrange for
the delivery of this material to the Plan Administrator or its authorized agent. Upon the receipt
of all records and files, the Plan Administrator, through its Risk Management Director shall sign
a receipt and hold harmless agreement for the Contract Administrator.
SECTION 9 MISCELLANEOUS
9.01
The Contract Administrator shall upon request, present evidence to the Plan Administrator that
it is fully licensed and bonded.
9.02 This Agreement shall be governed by the laws of Florida or, where applicable, federal law.
9.03
JURISDICTION: The venue for any dispute, controversy, claim or disagreement between the
Parties arising in connection with this Agreement shall be in the 20th Judicial Circuit, in and for
Lee County, Florida for disputes involving state claims and in the Middle District of Florida,
Ft. Myers Division for federal claims.
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9.04
9.05
INSURANCE COVERAGE. The Contract Administrator shall procure and maintain
through the term of this contract the following insurance coverage. The Contract
Administrator for the duration of this agreement shall maintain current insurance policies
meeting the requirements herein identified. Renewal certificates shall be sent to the Plan
Administrator thirty (30) days prior to any expiration date. Such certificates shall provide a
thirty (30) day notification to the Plan Administrator in the event of cancellation or
modification. Contract Administrator shall insure that all subcontractors of Contract
Administrator comply with the same insurance requirements that the Contract Administrator
is required to meet.
Professional Liability Insurance.
Limits of Liability- $1,000,000 each claim. $1,000,000 aggregate.
Workers Compensation and Employers Liability Insurance covering all employees in
compliance with all state and federal laws.
Limits of Liability- Workers' Compensation- Statutory
Limits of Liability- Employers Liability- $500,000 each accident. $500,000 disease- each
employee. $500,000 disease- policy limit.
Commercial General Liability Insurance including Bodily Injury and Property Damage
Liability naming Collier County as an additional insured.
Limits: Each Occurrence- $300,000
Personal Injury $300,000
General Aggregate $1,000,000
Products-Comp/Oper. Agg. $1,000,000
Official written notification to either of the parties shall be made to the following persons,
certified mail, receipt requested:
As to Plan Administrator:
Risk Management Director
Collier County Government
3301 East Tamiami Trail
Naples, FL 34112
As to Contract Administrator:
Corporate Benefit Services of America, Inc.
dba Robey Barber Insurance Services Corporation
10159 Wayzata Boulveard
Minnetonka, Minnesota 55343
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IN WITNESS THEREOF the Parties hereto sign their names as duly authorized officers and have
executed this Agreement
PLAN ADMINISTRATOR:
attest as to ChltI'IaII'$
Approved as to form and legal sufficiency:
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
col J.mR ~A
Tim hy~Cons~a~ Chai~'lqan
W1TNESSETH:
CONTRACT ADMINISTRATOR:
Corporate Benefit Services of America, Inc.
Dba Robey-Barber Insurance Services Corp.
10159 Wayzata Boulevard
Minnetonka, Minnesota 55343
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EXHIBIT A
AMENDMENT TO ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE AGREEMENT
The Administrative Agreement, entered into by Collier County Govermnent and Corporate Benefit Services of America, Inc. dim Robey-Barber Insurance Services
Corporation dated January 1, 2000 is hereby amended as provided in section 3 as required by the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (ERISA) as
that act is amended and regulated. The Contract Administrator, as the agent for the plan administrator, will receive and pay, in accordance with the following
schedule, fees and commissions as reasonable compensation for services conducted in the ordinary course of business.
FEES:
Administrative Fees Per Employee Per Month:
For:
Claims Administration:
Medical Option I
Medical Option 2
HIPPA
Denial
COBRA Administration
UR ServicearPPO Access
One Time Set-Up Fee
Prescription Drug Administration
Large Case Management
Subrogation Recovery Fee
$8.30/employee.
Includes on-site
customer service
representative at 2
days per week.
$10.80
/employee.
Includes on-site
customer service
representative at 5
days per week.
$.35/employee
$2.50/employee
$.60/employee
$2.00/employee
$6,000.00
Per Direct
Contract between
County and
Prescription Drug
Provider.
25% of Recovery
Contract Administration
Contract Adminislration
Contract Adminismition
Contract Administration (if selected)
Contract Administrator
MC2000
Contract Administrator
Prescription/Express Scripts
Per hour/MC2000
Subrogation
Advantage, Ltd.
The above represents a true and accurate disclosure of the distribution of fees for the Plan Year beginning January 1, 2000 and are guaranteed for a period
of two (2) years, ending December 31, 2002. Future amendments to EXHIBIT A may be executed by the Plan Administrator, through its Risk Management
Director, upon approval by the Board of Commissioners.
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