CBSC Minutes 02/01/2010
February 1,2010
MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE COLLIER COUNTY
COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE - CLAM BAY
SUBCOMMITTEE
Naples, Florida, February 1,2010
LET IT BE REMEMBERED that the Coastal Advisory Committee - Clam
Bay Subcommittee in and for the County of Collier, having conducted
business herein, met on this date at 9:00 A.M. at the North Collier Regional
Park in the Exhibit Hall, Naples, Florida, with the following members
present:
CHAIRMAN: Anthony Pires
Jim Burke
(Vacancy)
ALSO PRESENT: Gary McAlpin, Director, Coastal Zone Management
Gail Hambright, Tourist Tax Collector
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MEETING AGENDA
CLAM BAY SUBCOMMITTEE
MONDAY, FEBRUARY 1,2010 - 9:00 A.M. TILL 12:00 P.M.
NORTH COLLIER REGIONAL PARK, 1500 LIVINGSTON ROAD,
ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, CONFERENCE ROOM A, NAPLES
I. Call to Order
II. Pledge of Allegiance
III. Roll Call
IV. Changes and Approval of Agenda
V. Public Comments
VI. Approval of Minutes
VII. Staff Reports
VIII. New Business
1. Boundary of Clam Bay - Discussion
2. Mission of the Clam Bay Subcommittee - Discussion
3. Scope of Work Pier Review - Discussion
4. Scope of Work Biological Assessment - Discussion
5. Scope of Work - Circulation Modeling
IX. Old Business
X. Announcements
XI. Committee Member Discussion
XII. Next Meeting Date/Location
To be determined
XIII. Adjournment
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County AUorney; 2 CZM Staff members.
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cost to you, to the provision of certain assistance. Please contact the Collier County Facilities Management Department located at
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Public comments will be limited to 3 minutes unless the Chairman grants permission for additional time.
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February 1,2010
I. Call to Order
Chairman Pires called the meeting to order at 9:07 am.
II. Pledge of Allegiance
The Pledge of Allegiance was recited.
III. Roll Call
Roll call was taken and a quorum was established.
IV. Changes and Approval of Agenda
The Agenda was approved subject to the following changes:
. Addition of item VIlLA - How the Subcommittee will Operate
. Deletion of item VIII.3 - Scope of Peer Review - Discussion
. Scope of Work for Biological Assessment to become item VIII.3
. Deletion of Item VIII.5 - Scope of Work - Circulation Modeling
. Addition of Item VIllA - Wanless Report - Discussion.
V. Public Comments
David Roellig, member ofthe previous Clam Bay Subcommittee noted this was
the third Group assembled to address the issues associated with the Management of
the Clam Bay System and expressed concern the Report prepared by PBS&J for the
County is unsatisfactory and should not be used as a foundation for the Subcommittee
to move forward in completing its tasks.
Chairman Pires noted there is a 3-minute time limit for public speaker comments,
however he will provide flexibility in the rule to ensure as much information as
possible is gathered by the Subcommittee.
Kathy Worley, Conservancy of Southwest Florida, agreed with Mr. Roellig and
expressed concern on the concept of speakers registering to speak on an item with a 3
limit time constraint. She recommended technical persons be allowed to sit at the
"round table" and be allowed to ask questions of the consultants, etc. during their
presentations.
John Domenie requested the Subcommittee clarify the areas of their responsibilities
including the parameters of the Studies. He outlined the differences between
Moorings Bay and Clam Bay. Moorings Bay is man made, dredged for navigation,
has artificial concrete walls and an artificial inlet (Doctors Pass). Clam Bay
incorporates a NRPA (Natural Resource Protection Area) designated for
environmental purposes, has a natural shoreline and shallow mangrove system. He
requested the County leave the management of the Clam Bay System with the Pelican
Bay Services Division who has maintained it for the past 10 years.
Chairman Pires requested persons with comments or questions on written reports
distributed for the meeting, provide them, in writing, to Staff for distribution 2 days in
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advance of the meeting. This will assist Staff, Subcommittee members and
Consultants in providing comments or answers at Subcommittee meetings.
VI. Approval of Minutes
None
VII. Staff Reports
None
VIII. New Business
A. How the Subcommittee will Operate
Gary McAlpin, Director, Coastal Zone Management noted:
. The Subcommittee will operate under the rules of the Coastal Advisory
Committee (CAC).
. There will be a 3 minute time limit for public speakers with additional
time granted at the discretion of the Chairman.
. Staff intends to schedule the meetings on a regular basis for the 3rd
Thursday of each month and be held at the CDES (Community
Development and Environmental Services) building (if possible).
. The Subcommittee is comprised of3 members with a current vacancy.
1. Boundary of Clam Bay - Discussion
Gary McAlpin provided the following documents for the record:
. "Publication Series NR-SP-94-01. Clam Bay Natural Resource Protection
Area (NRPA), August 1994" prepared for Collier County Environmental
Services Division.
He reviewed (page iv) of the docnment which describes the boundaries of
the NRP A as "located next to the Gulf of Mexico, north by Vanderbilt
Beach Road, east to the remaining natural areas next to the berm and
Pelican Bay Development and South to Seagate Drive. "
. "Clam Bay Natural Resource Protection Area Annual Report October
1997."
The document describes the NRP A area as the area from Vanderbilt
Beach Road, south to Seagate Drive, on the west by the Gulf of Mexico
and on the east by the berm of the Pelican Bay Development.
. "Collier County Ordinance 2008-48" which created the previous Clam
Bay Advisory Group.
The Ordinance states "the Clam Bay Estuary System is a designated
Natural Resources Protection Area (NRPA)."
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Sneakers
Bob Naegele, Pelican Bay noted the original Tomasko Report defined the
Estuary from Wiggins Pass to sth Avenue, which identified the watershed as
opposed to the Estuary. This definition is too broad to define the "Clam Bay
Estuary System (CBES)." He recommended defining the CBES as the "NRPA."
He expressed concern Pelican Bay is not represented on the Coastal Advisory
Committee or this Subcommittee.
Mr. Burke noted the compilation ofthe CAC is prescribed in the Ordinance
governing the CAC.
Mary Johnson, Pelican Bay Resident supports the definition provided in the
record documents (the NRP A) for the CBES.
Sarah Wu, Seagate Resident recognized Pelican Bay's concern for protecting the
boundaries of the CBES as the NRP A. She expressed concern areas outside of
the NRPA affect the activities within the system and requested the Subcommittee
continue to study these areas outside the NRP A and how they affect the overall
quality of the CBES.
Gary McAlpin provided page 1 ofthe "Collier County Clam Bay Advisory
Committee" Mission, Functions, Powers, Duties & Work Plan", (Coastal
Advisory Committee meeting document, March 12,2009, Item VII-8 New
Business 7 of 10).
Under Recommended Boundaries, it states" The Clam Bay Advisory Committee
(hereafter the Committee") has defined the boundaries of the Clam Bay Estuary
(hereafter the "Estuary") as generally, that wetland area south of Vanderbilt
Beach Road and north of the Seagate Community.
The Subcommittee recommended the following changes to the above wording:
. Deletion of the word "generally"
. Revise the term Seagate Community to "Seagate Drive."
Mr. Burke moved to define limits of the Clam Bay Estuary System from
Vanderbilt Beach Drive south to Seagate Drive, the Gulf of Mexico on the West,
on the East by the berm adjacent to the west side of Pelican Bay Development.
Second by Chairman Pires. Carried unanimously 2-0.
Chairman Pires noted the Subcommittee should consider defining the limits of the
Clam Bay Estuary's Systems watershed at afuture meeting.
2. Mission of the Clam Bay Subcommittee - Discussion
Gary McAlpin provided page 1 of the document. "Collier County "Clam Bay
Advisory Committee" Mission, Functions, Powers, Duties & Work Plan", (Coastal
Advisory Committee meeting document, March 12, 2009, Item VII-8 New
Business 7 of 10).
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Under Committee Mission it states "The Committees mission is to advise, assist
and make joint recommendations to the Board of County Commissioners ("BCC")
and the Coastal Advisory Committee ("CAC'? with all major issues affecting the
management, use, direction, health and long term viability of the Clam Bay
Estuary in accordance with the protection afforded Clam Pass and Clam Bay's
NRP A and conservation designations as delineated in the Future Land Use
Element of the Collier County Growth Plan and Coastal Zone Management Plan.
In doing so, the Committee will formulate recommendations for review and
recommend possible funding sources that may be required by such
recommendations. "
Sneakers
Marcia Cravens, Mangrove Action Group noted the original approval of the
NRP A by the BCC was defined as the Pelican Bay Conservation Area. She
expressed concern a legal order issued in 1999 which required "meaningful
protection" of wildlife in the NRPA is being violated given the activities proposed
in the CBES by the County. She submitted meeting minutes and related backup
information for the February 28, 1995 and May 18, 1999 BCC meetings for
consideration by the Subcommittee
Gary McAlpin stated any concerns identified in the Court Order referenced in
Ms. Cravens's statement may be included in the biological assessment of the
CBES.
Mary Johnson, Pelican Bay Resident expressed concern the focus of the item
has shifted from development of a long-term Management Plan for the CBES to
the issues associated with Outer Clam Bay. She would like a better understanding
on the sources of pollution from the Seagate Community, how it can be better
controlled, and why is only "flushing" considered as a solution, etc.
Chairman Pires noted the Mission Statement outlined above is consistent with
the issues Ms. Johnson raised as it incorporates "all major issues affecting the
management use, direction, health and long term viability of the Clam Bay
Estuary."
Linda Roth, Pelican Bay Resident expressed the BCC directive references the
term the" entire Clam Bay Estuary System," and requested clarification if the
CBES boundary incorporates the NRP A or goes all the way to Doctors Pass.
Chairman Pires noted the boundaries were defined under item VIlLI
Rick Dykman, Seagate Resident clarified the CBES being described as "a
natural system" as inaccurate. The area of the Ritz Carlton and Bay Colony was
altered during periods of construction. He expressed concern the public's
perception on the issues is the Seagate Community vs. the Pelican Bay
Community. Seagate is concerned with the water quality and if there any issues
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within the Seagate development negatively affecting the CBES, the community
would like to know and address it. His understanding regarding jurisdictions is
the area is owned by the State of Florida and managed by Collier County.
Mr. Burke moved to approve the Subcommittee Mission Statement as provided
in the Coastal Advisory Committee meeting document, March 12, 2009, Item
VII-8 New Business 7 of 10 (referenced above).
Second by Chairman Pires. Carried unanimously 2-0.
3. Scope of Work for Biological Assessment - Discussion
Gary McAlpin provided the document "Additional Work Request WO# Contract
#07-4153 Upper, Inner and Lower Clam Bay Biological Study" prepared by Jeff
Tabar ofPBS&J dated January 22,2010. He provided an overview of the
proposal noting some data collection may be completed by other organizations or
firms, but analyzed by PBS&J.
Speakers
Marcia Cravens, Mangrove Action Group noted there are numerous studies
and surveys that have already been completed which indicate there are significant
wildlife species in the area. She submitted a document "Clam Bay/Clam Pass
Estuary Preserve: A Natural Resources Protection Area (NRP A) for Wildlife"
which outlined a list of species identified in the NRP A. She stated the scope of
work should follow the model consistent with the Everglade Restoration Plans
and the South West Florida Feasibility studies. Also, be subj ect to a competitive
bidding process.
Kathy Worley, Conservancy of Southwest Florida recommended a decision on
the item be postponed for a vote, as many individuals just received the document.
The Conservancy will complete an 11 year Report on the System in late summer
which includes significant data throughout the entire system. She can provide the
Subcommittee a summary of the procedures and methods utilized in the Report.
Linda Roth, Pelican Bay Resident agrees with Ms. Worley on postponing any
decision on the item. She noted there are recommendations in previous Studies
which should be analyzed before proceeding.
Mary Johnson, Pelican Bay Resident agreed with postponing the item, so all
involved have a chance to review the documents.
Gary McAlpin noted the item was placed on the Agenda for informational
purposes only. A cost estimate for the work has not been developed.
Chairman Pires recommended the item be placed on the next Agenda and
include a discussion on whether or not the Subcommittee will recommend
utilizing the CCNA (Competitive Consultants Negotiations Act) process for
awarding the scope of work.
4. Wanless Report
Continued
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Chairman Pires re-iterated his request any persons submitting documents
relating to Subcommittee meetings provide them to Staff at least 2 days in
advance of the meeting.
Speaker
Mary Johnson provided a document "Comments to the Clam Bay Subcommittee
Meeting of February 1, 2010" for consideration by the Subcommittee.
IX. Old Business
None
X. Announcements
None
XI. Committee Member Discussion
None
XII. Next Meeting Date/Location
The next meeting will be held on March 18, 2010 at 1:00 PM. Location to be
announced. .
There being no further business for the good ofthe County, the meeting was
adjourned by order ofthe chair at 10:34 A.M.
Collier County Coastal Advisory Committee-
Clam Bay Subcommittee
Anthony Pires, Chairman
These minutes approved by the Board/Committee on
as presented or as amended
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