DSAC Minutes 11/04/2009 R
November 4, 2009
MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE COLLIER COUNTY
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Naples, Florida, November 4, 2009
LET IT BE REMEMBERED that the Collier County Development Services
Advisory Committee, in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business
herein, met on this date at 1 :00 PM in REGULAR SESSION in Conference Room
#610, Collier County Community Development and Environmental Services
Center, 2800 N. Horseshoe Drive, Naples, Florida, with the following Members
present:
CHAIRMAN:
Vice Chair:
William Varian
Thomas Masters (Absent)
James Boughton
Clay Brooker
Laura Spurgeon Dejohn (Excused)
Dalas Disney (Excused)
David Dunnavant
Marco Espinar (Excused)
Blair Foley
George Hermanson
Reed Jarvi
Robert Mulhere
Reid Schermer (Absent)
Mario Valle
ALSO PRESENT: Joe Schmitt, Administrator, CDES
Judy Puig, Operations Analyst, CDES - Staff Liaison
Jeff Wright, Assistant County Attorney
Nick Casalanguida, Director, TransportationIPlanning
Gary Mullee, CDES Operations Support Manager
Amy Patterson, Impact Fee Manager
Michele Mosca, AICP, Principal Planner
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE
AGENDA
November 4, 2009
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Conference Room 610
NOTICE:
Persons wishing to speak on any Agenda item will receive up to three (3) minutes unless the Chairman adjusts
the time. Speakers are required to fill out a "Speaker Request Form," list the topic they wish to address, and
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Chairman, and speak into a microphone. State your name and affiliation before commenting. During
discussion, Committee Members may direct questions to the speaker.
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Hearing Reporter can record all statements being made.
I. Call to Order. Chairman
II. Approval of Agenda
III. Approval of Minutes from October 7, 2009 Meeting
IV. Public Speakers (other than those related to lOC Amendments)
V. LOC
A. LDC Amendment 2009 Cycle 1
VI. Staff Announcements/Updates
A. Public Utilities Division Update - Phil Gramatges
B. Fire Review Update - Ed Riley
C. Transportation Division Update - Nick Casalanguida
D. CDES Update - Joe Schmitt
VII. Old Business
A. Brief update on the Zoning/Engineering & Environmental Fee study - Gary Muilee
VIII. New Business
A. Discuss DSAC Vacancies - the foilowing terms expiring:
1. James Boughton - December 14'h
2. Clay Brooker - December 14'h
3. Reid Schermer - December 14'h
4. Reed Jarvi - December 14'h
The following need to be filled:
1. Chariey Abbott
2. Thomas Masters
IX. Committee Member Comments
X. Adjourn
Next Meetina Dates
December 2, 2009
January 6, 2010
February 3, 2010
March 3, 2010
April 7, 2010
CDES Conference Room 610 - 3:00 pm
CDES Conference Room 610 - 3:00 pm
CDES Conference Room 610 - 3:00 pm
CDES Conference Room 610 - 3:00 pm
CDES Conference Room 610 - 3:00 pm
November 4, 2009
I. Call to Order
The meeting was called to order at 1:09 PM by Chairman William Varian and a
quorum was established.
Chairman Varian read the procedures to be followed during the Meeting.
II. Approval of Agenda
Reed Jarvi moved to approve the Agenda as submitted. Second by Clay Brooker.
Carried unanimously, 8-0.
III. Approval of Minntes - October 7, 2009 Meeting
Correction:
. Page 3, (mid-page) reference to "Burt-Harris" was changed to "Bert Harris."
Robert Mulhere moved to approve the Minutes o/the October 7, 2009 Meeting as
amended. Second by Blair Foley. Carried unanimously, 8-0.
Copies of the Minutes of the LDR Subcommittee meeting of October 21,2009 were
distributed to the Committee for their reference.
IV. Public Speakers: (to be heard following Item presentation)
V. LDC
A. LDC Amendment 2009 Cycle 1
Section 3.05.07 - Preservation Standards ("Native Vegetation")
Stephen Lenberger noted the definition of "native vegetation" was clarified for
retention of native vegetation and corrected a typo in the second sentence to remove
the word "which" from the sentence.
Under "Change" (5th paragraph), he added the following language for clarification:
"Exceptions also have been included for landscaping and initial
re-growth of native vegetation in the fallow agricultural areas."
It was noted the Subcommittee had recommended approval of the Amendment
pending inclusion of suggested revisions.
Mr. Lenberger verified all changes suggested by the Subcommittee had been
incorporated into the revised version of the Amendment.
Robert Mulhere moved to approve the Amendment as presented. Second by Reed
Jarvi. Carried unanimously, 8-0.
(George Hermanson arrived at 1: 16 PM.)
Section 10.02.07 - Submittal Requirements for Certificates of Pnblic Facility
Adequacy ("School Board Concnrrency")
Michele Mosca, Comprehensive Planning - Principal Planner, stated the concurrency
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program had been adopted by the Board of County Commissioners in October, 2008.
She further stated the revisions suggested by the Subcommittee were incorporated
into the revised Amendment.
She noted the grammatical changes suggested to Section 10.02.07 were made, but the
language in "B. Exemptions" under #6 was clarified concerning the exemptions and
the same changes were made in Section 10.04.09 - C.
The Subcommittee had requested clarification of Section 6.02.09 - Public School
Facilities Level of Service ("LOS") Requirements.
Amy Taylor, Planner - Collier County School District, stated the State calculates
the capacity for each public school which is referred to as FISH ("Florida Inventory
of School Houses"). She explained the 95% figure used in the Amendment for
elementary and middle schools referred to 95% of the State-derived capacity.
Discussion ensued concerning whether or not portable classrooms were included in the
inventory, availability ("space") for students from a proposed new development, when
schools can increase capacity, review parameters, adjacent service area, the size of the
Concurrency Service Area ("CSA"), "spot" zoning, and mitigation measures.
Michele Mosca requested changing the term, "Public Schools Facilities Concurrency
Agreement" to "Public Schools Concurrency." (See 10.02.07 - Page 5)
It was suggested to change the language to Item #6 on Page 6 to read as follows:
"The following shall be exempt from the requirements set forth herein as
related to Public Schools Concurrency. "
A typographical error was noted on Page 7, under Item #7, and it was suggested to
change the word "obtains" to "obtain" and to remove the comma following the word.
Michele Mosca noted fees, to be established by the School District, will be assessed
for each review.
Robert Mulhere moved to approve the Amendment as suggested with the revisions
noted on Pages 5, 6, and 7. Second by Clay Brooker. Carried unanimously, 9-0.
Section 2.03.07 - Overlay Zoning Districts ("Early Entry TDR Bonus
Extension")
Robert Mulhere moved to approve the Amendment as presented. Second by Clay
Brooker. Carried unanimously, 9-0.
Section 5.04.04 - Model Homes and Model Sales Centers
Robert Mulhere moved to approve the Amendment as presented. Second by George
Hermanson. Carried unanimously, 9-0.
Section 5.04.05 - Temporary Events
Robert Mulhere moved to approve the Amendment as presented. Second by Blair
Foley. Carried unanimously, 9-0.
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Section 5.05.05 - Automobile Service Stations
Discussion ensued concerning the necessity of set backs for an automobile service
station attached to a commercial development as outlined on the Table Inset on Page
2, "Minimum setbacks, all structures."
Robert Mulhere moved to approve the Amendment as presented and request Staff
include a recommendation that the CCPC and the BCC review the side and rear
yard applications where those yards are adjacent to an existing commercial
development. Second by George Hermanson.
Discussion ensued concerning Staffs position whether the purpose of the
Amendment was to introduce a substantive change or merely to "clean-up" the
existing Amendment. It was suggested to amend the Motion in the next cycle to
include reviewing the setback issue.
The Committee was referred to the October 21 5t Minutes ofthe LDR Subcommittee
Meeting to review Clay Brooker's motion:
"Clay Brooker moved to recommend approval of the Amendment as
presented and to forward it to DSA C with the suggestion that Staff
address reducing setbacks for all structures which are part of or
adjacent to commercial development(s) or, in the alternative, to
inform the Collier County Planning Commission and the Board of
County Commissioners of DSA C's suggestion on the issue.
Second by Robert Mulhere. Carried unanimously, 4-0. "
In summary, Staff will present the Amendment to the Board of County Commissioners
with DSAC's suggestion that the BCC direct Staff in the next Amendment Cycle to
review the issue of modifying setbacks for service stations which are adjacent to
commercial developments.
Motion carried, 6 - "Yes''l' 3 - "No." Blair Foley, David Dunnavant and Mario
Valle were opposed.
Section 2.03.01 - Agricultural Zoning Districts ("4-H Hogs")
Section 5.04.05 - Temporary Events (BCC directed)
Robert Mulhere moved to approve the Amendment as presented. Second by George
Hermanson. Carried unanimously, 9-0,
Section 2.04.00 - Permissible, Conditional and Accessory Uses in Zoning
Districts (to correct Scrivener's Error)
It was suggested to change the category for 2.03.10 from "Districts under
Moratorium" to "Reserved."
George Hermanson moved to approve the Amendment as revised. Second by
Robert Mulhere. Carried unanimously, 9-0.
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Section 4.02.01- Dimensional Standards for Principal Uses in Base Zoning
Districts ("Pool Pumps")
Clay Brooker moved to approve the Amendment as presented. Second by Blair
Foley. Carried unanimously, 9-0.
Section 4.03.04 - Lot Line Adjustments
The Subcommittee's recommendation was to add language to Item A- 5 to read as
follows:
"No net additional building area amongst the affected lots shall be created. ..
It was noted that Staff would not recommend the change. Discussion ensued.
The consensus was to table the Amendment and no action was taken.
Section 10.03.05 - Notification Requirements for Public Hearings ("Extensions
for Conditional Use")
The LDR Subcommittee questioned whether it was necessary to hold a public hearing
concerning a request for a Conditional Use extension since the Code allows a one-
year extension, and a public hearing had been held previously in order to obtain the
"Conditional Use." DSAC concurred that a second public hearing was not
necessary.
David Dunnavant moved to deny approval of the Amendment as presented. Second
by Reed Jarvi. Carried unanimously, 9-0.
Section 4.02.01 - Dimensional Standards for Principal Uses in Base Zoning
Districts
Section 1.08.02 - Definitions
Discussion ensued concerning the changes made to the Table 2.2 regarding
elimination of "porches," "decks," and "elevated AlC units." The consensus was the
Amendment needed more work.
Robert Mulhere moved to deny approval of the Amendment as presented. Second
by David Dunnavant. Carried unanimously, 9-0.
Catherine Fabacher mentioned the LDR Subcommittee needed at least one more
member due to Thomas Masters' resignation. David Dunnavant and George
Hermanson volunteered to serve.
Robert Mulhere moved to appoint David Dunnavant and George Hermanson to the
LDR Subcommittee. Second by Clay Brooker. Carried unanimously, 7-"Yes''l'2-
Abstentions. Mr. Hermanson and Mr. Dunnavant abstained.
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David Dunnavant requested clarification from the County Attorney's office of
Sunshine Law regulations.
County Attorney Jeff Wright stated if a subject was "likely" to be presented to
DSAC, it should not be discussed by two or more DSAC members.
Catherine Fabacher asked to schedule an additional LDR Subcommittee meeting for
November 18, 2009 and asked to change the time ofDSAC's December 2nd meeting
from 3:00 PM to 1 :00 PM.
There were no objections to the schedule changes.
BREAK: 2:55 PM
RECONVENED: 3:10 PM
Chairman Varian stated the "Advisory Committee Outstanding Member Nomination"
application to recognize Charley Abbott's service has been completed and will be
submitted to the BCC by Human Resources.
VI. Staff Announcements/Updates
A. Public Utilities Division Update - Nathan Beals for Phil Gramatges
. The Public Utilities AUIR ("Annual Update and Inventory Report") has been
accepted by the BCC.
In answer to a previously-asked question, Mr. Beals confirmed that water pressure
has not been lowered during the off season in the past five years. Water pressure
is maintained at 90 psi at all times.
A question was asked about a Vanderbilt Beach Road pump station and exposed PVC
pipe running along the road. Mr. Beals stated he would research the problem and
return with an update.
B. Fire Review Update - Ed Riley
. No report
D. CDES Update - Joe Schmitt
. The final Building Permit Fee package has been prepared and will be
presented to the BCC.
. The 131 Fee package will be completed by January, 2010. It has been
difficult to compile the data set required to validate the fees.
A question was asked about a recent newspaper article concerning local parks.
Mr. Schmitt stated the land for an ATV park, which has not been developed, has
been counted as 625 acres in the AUIR. Ioitially, it was to be built near Lake
Trafford. There is a proposed joint site at the Jet Park between the County and Miami
Dade. The issue is tied to the Level of Service and the problem is collection of the
Impact Fees used to pay off the debt.
Discussion ensued concerning reducing the Level of Service, debt service to the
Water Park, and recreational facilities that are not being counted.
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Joe Schmitt pointed out if the Level of Service ("LOS") is lowered from the adopted
levels, Impact Fees will also be lowered, and the burden to pay off the debt will be
carried by the General Fund. He stated the decision to build the Water Park was
made in 2000.
He further stated the Board's direction was to purchase beach and boat access
property which was expensive. Launching facilities are being expanded on Goodland
and Marco Island, at the ramp at 951, and on the Isles of Capri.
It was noted that Collier County received a grant, part of which was earmarked for
"green building code" inspection training.
Mr. Schmitt confirmed the funds will be used to train and certify building inspectors
on the installation of solar products (plumbing and electric) at the Florida Solar
Center in Cocoa Beach.
Another question was asked regarding Impact Fees and excess of capacity Class A
services: why have the fees remained the same as when the capacity was at a deficit?
Amy Patterson, Impact Fee Manager, stated the "excess capacity" mentioned in the
newspaper article referred to Regional Parks and the acreage for the proposed A TV
Park which mayor may not be deeded to the County in the future. The actual excess
capacity is for libraries. Two were built and Impact Fees are being used to pay the
debt.
She explained there was a significant difference between the adopted LOS and the
achieved LOS and, in order to reduce Impact Fees, a substantial cut would need to be
made in the Regional Park LOS.
C. Transportation Division Update - Nick Casa1anguida
. The DOT's official projected date for completion ofthe Vanderbilt Beach
Bridge is December 19,2009
VII. Old Business
A. Brief update on the Zoning/Engineering & Environmental Fee study - Gary
Mullee
. Current Zoning projects are smaller projects
. For large land use projects, an hourly hybrid billing system is under
consideration which would track hours
. Costs could be reconciled and a rebate may be possible or additional fees due
as appropriate
. Approximately 25% of current projects are under-billed because the County
has based operation fees on a time study conducted in 2003
. General Fund support - 40% is for non-fee related operation
. A detailed request for General Fund support (subsidy) will be presented to the
BCC
Joe Schmitt stated the Zoning function is not self-sufficient. There may be a 25%
reduction in staff in February because he will not be able to meet payroll in March,
2010.
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Discussion ensued. The expectation for the Zoning Department to be self-sufficient
was deemed to be "unrealistic" because Building Permit fees and Ad Valorem fees
subsidized Zoning.
It was suggested that hourly tracking should be reported periodically, rather than at
the end of the project as done with DRls.
Gary Mullee stated he may request a meeting of the Zoning Fee Subcommittee later
in the month.
(Robert Mulhere left at 4: 1 0 PM)
VIII. New Business
A. Discuss DSAC Vacancies
The following terms will be expiring:
1. James Boughton - December 14'h
. Mr. Boughton stated he will submit his application for re-appointment
by the next DSAC meeting
2. Clay Brooker - December 14th
. Mr. Brooker's application was distributed to the Committee
3. Reid Schermer - December 14'h
. Mr. Schermer has not responded to emails regarding his status
4. Reed Jarvi - December 14th
. Mr. Jarvi's application was distributed to the Committee
The following vacancies are to be filled:
1. Charles Abbott
2. Thomas Masters
Blair Foley moved to approve re-appointing Clay Brooker to DSAC and submit the
nomination to the BCC for approval. Second by David Dunnavant. Carried
unanimously, 7-uYes"/1-Abstention. Mr. Brooker abstained.
Blair Foley moved to approve re-appointing Reed Jarvi to DSAC and submit the
nomination to the BCC for approvaL Second by George Hermanson. Carried
unanimously. 7-uYes"/1-Absention. Mr. Jarvi abstained.
Chairman Varian stated public notice was published for four vacancies, i.e., Charles
Abbott, Thomas Masters, Reid Schermer and James Boughton.
IX. Committee Member Comments
(None)
Next Meetines:
LDR Subcommittee - November 18, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Full DSAC Committee - December 2, 2009 at 1:00 PM (Note: time change)
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There being no further business for the good of the Connty, the meeting was
adjourned by order of the Chairman at 4:12 PM.
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES
ADVISORY COMMITTEE
William Varian, Chairman
The Minutes were approved by the Board/Committee on
as presented , or as amended
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