BCC Minutes 04/29/2008 S (GMP Amendments)
April 29, 2008
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Naples, Florida, April 29, 2008
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County
Commissioners, in and for the County of Collier, and also acting as
the Board of Zoning Appeals and as the governing board(s) of such
special district as has been created according to law and having
conducted business herein, met on this date at 9:00 a.m., in SPECIAL
SESSION in Building "F" of the Government Complex, East Naples,
Florida, with the following members present:
CHAIRMAN: Tom Henning
Donna Fiala
Jim Coletta
Fred Coyle (arrived at 9:30 a.m.)
Frank Halas
ALSO PRESENT:
Joe Schmitt, CDES Administrator
David Weeks, Comprehensive Planning
Jeffrey A. Klatzkow, County Attorney
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AGENDA
April 29, 2008
9:00 a.m.
2006 Cycle of Growth Management Plan Amendments,
Transmittal Hearing
Tom Henning, Chairman, District 3
Donna Fiala, Vice-Chairman, District 1
Frank Halas, Commissioner, District 2
Fred W. Coyle, Commissioner District 4
Jim Coletta, Commissioner District 5
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THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' OFFICE.
1. Pledge of Allegiance
2. 2006 Growth Management Plan Amendment (Transmittal Hearing)
A. CP-2006-5, Petition requesting an amendment to the Golden Gate Area
Master Plan (GGAMP), to change the Conditional Uses Subdistrict by
adding subject site as an exception to locational criteria so as to allow
expansion of the existing church use on the adjacent property onto the
subject property, located on the west side of Santa Barbara Boulevard, 1/3
mile north of Golden Gate Parkway (CR886), in Section 29, Township 49
South, Range 26 East, consisting of 3.54 +/- acres. [Coordinator: Tom
Greenwood, AICP, Principal Planner]
B. CP-2006-7, Petition requesting an amendment to the Future Land Use
Element, including the Future Land Use Map and Map Site (FLUE/FLUM),
to change the Urban Residential Subdistrict designation in order to establish
the Italian American Plaza and Clubhouse Commercial Subdistrict in the
Urban Commercial District, for a 20,000 square foot clubhouse and up to
26,000 square feet of gross leasable area for financial institutions, schools,
professional and medical offices, and personal and business services
consistent with the Commercial Professional and General Office (C-l)
zoning district of the Collier County Land Development Code, for property
located at the southwest comer of the intersection of Airport Road and
Orange Blossom Drive, in Section 2, Township 49 South, Range 25 East,
consisting of5 +/- acres. [Coordinator: Corby Schmidt, AICP, Principal
Planner]
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C. CP-2006-8, Petition requesting an amendment to the Future Land Use
Element, including the Future Land Use Map and Map Site (FLUE/FLUM),
to change the Urban Residential Subdistrict designation in order to establish
the Airport/Orange Blossom Commercial Subdistrict in the Urban
Commercial District, for up to 12,000 square feet of gross leasable area for
financial institutions, professional and medical offices, and personal and
business services, along with senior housing in the form of an Adult Living
Facility and/or Continuing Care Retirement Center, or other similar housing
for the elderly, consistent with the Commercial Professional and General
Office (C-l) zoning district of the Collier County Land Development Code,
for property located on the west side of Airport Road, approximately 330
feet south of Orange Blossom Drove and adjacently south of the Italian
American Club, in Section 2, Township 49 South, Range 25 East, consisting
of 5 +/- acres. [Coordinator: Corby Schmidt, AICP, Principal Planner]
D. CP-2006-9, Petition requesting an amendment to the Future Land Use
Element, including the Future Land Use Map and Map Site (FLUE/FLUM),
to change the FLUM designation from Rural Lands Stewardship Area
(RLSA) Open Area to a Habitat Stewardship Area, to make corresponding
changes to acreage figures in RLSA Policies, and to increase the cap on
early entry bonus Stewardship Credits in RLSA Policy 1.21, for property
located west of Lake Trafford in the RLSA, in Section 33, Township 46
South, Range 28 East, consisting of 191.80 +/- acres. [Coordinator: David
Weeks, AICP, Planning Manager]
E. CP-2006-10, Petition requesting an amendment to the Future Land Use
Element. including the Future Land Use Map and Map Series
(FLUE/FLUM), to change the FLUM designation from Rural Lands
Stewardship Area (RLSA) Open Area to a Habitat Stewardship Area, to
make corresponding changes to acreage figures in RLSA Policies, and to
increase the cap on early entry bonus Stewardship Credits in RLSA Policy
1.21, for property located east of Immokalee in the RLSA and within the
Area of Critical State Concern, in Sections 13, 14, 15,22,23,26 and 27,
Township46 South, Range 30 East, consisting of 2,431.80 +/- acres.
[Coordinator: David Weeks, AICP, Planning Manager]
Heard on April 15,2008
F. CPSP-2006-12, Staff petition requesting an amendment to the Future Land
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Use Map (FLUM), to change the FLUM designation from Urban-Mixed Use
District/Urban Coastal Fringe Subdistrict to Conservation Designation, and
make a corresponding text change to reference a new map of the site, for the
County-owned Mar-Good park property located in Goodland, adjoining
Pettit Drive, Pear Tree Avenue, and Papaya Street, in Section 18, Township
27 South, Range 52 East, consisting of2.5 +/- acres. [Coordinator: Tom
Greenwood, AICP, Principal Planner]
(Resolution 2008-100: Transmitted amendment "CPSP-2006-12" to
DCA)
G. CPSP-2006-13, Staff petition requesting amendments to the Transportation
Element (TE) and Maps. Recreation and Open Space Element (ROSE).
Economic Element (EE). Future Land Use Element and Future Land Use
Map and Map Series (FLUE/FLUM). and Golden Gate Area Master Plan
Element and Golden Gate Area Master Plan Future Land Use Map and Map
Series, to change the allowance for model homes in Golden Gate Estates; to
extend the transfer of Development Rights early entry bonus in the Rural
Fringe Mixed Use District; and, to make corrections of omissions and errors
and other housecleaning revisions so as to harmonize and update various
sections of the various elements of the Growth Management Plan. David
Weeks, AICP, Planning Manager]
3. Adjourn
INQUIRIES CONCERNING CHANGES TO THE BOARD'S AGENDA SHOULD
BE MADE TO THE COUNTY MANAGER'S OFFICE AT 252-8383.
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April 29, 2008
MR. SCHMITT: You've got a live mike.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Welcome to the Board of County
Commissioners Growth Management Plan Cycle 2006. Today is
April 29th.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: 29th.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Would you all rise for the pledge of
allegiance, please.
(The Pledge of Allegiance was recited in unison.)
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Mr. Weeks, I'm assuming that you
will guide us through today's meeting?
MR. WEEKS: I'll do my best. Good morning, Commissioners.
I'm David Weeks, Planning Manager in the Comprehensive Planning
Department.
The specific purpose for the hearing this morning is to consider
the balance of the 2006 cycle of Growth Management Plan
Amendments. You'll recall on April 15th you heard one petition down
on Goodland, Petition CPSP-2006-12, and you acted upon it at that
hearing, and then continued the balance of the items to today.
This is a transmittal hearing, which means that any petitions that
you approve for transmittal will be sent to the Florida Department of
Community Affairs in Tallahassee and other state and regional
agencies for their review, and then subsequently we will receive an
Objections, Recommendations and Comments Report from DCA, the
Department of Community Affairs, and then we will hold adoption
hearings, and we would anticipate holding those in the fall of this
year.
These items are legislative, not quasi-judicial; there is no
requirement to swear in participants nor disclose ex parte
communications.
As required by state law, there is a sign-up sheet outside of this
boardroom on the table in the hallway for any interested party to sign
up to receive notice from DCA once they have completed their review
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of the amendments that are adopted later this year. That notice would
identi -- advise the person that is signed up of the determination by
DCA as to whether or not they've found the amendment in compliance
or not compliance with state law.
The executive summary identifies each of the petitions in the
order on your agenda. It identifies the Planning Commission
recommendation and the staff recommendation. As is your usual
protocol, the applicant will present first, followed by a brief staff
presentation. And of course, at any time, as always, the board can ask
questions and have your discussion.
As a transmittal hearing, your action will be approved by As,
which only requires a simple majority, that is a minimum of three
votes, whereas adoption requires a supermajority vote.
And, Commissioners, at the conclusion of the hearing, with the
assumption that we will finish today, and we certainly hope so, we
would appreciate if you would leave your binders behind. We will
collect those and reuse those. And with that --
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Fiala has a question.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Is it okay, I marked up some of my
binders and color coded them and stuff?
MR. WEEKS: Of course, Commissioner. We look through
those -- and certainly those are for your use in whatever way, and we
will look through those and change out the marked-up pages, thank
you.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you.
Item #2A
RESOLUTION 2008-123: PETITION CP-2006-5 REQUESTING
AN AMENDMENT TO THE GOLDEN GATE AREA MASTER
PLAN (GGAMP), TO CHANGE THE CONDITIONAL USES
SUBDISTRICT BY ADDING SUBJECT SITE AS AN
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EXCEPTION TO LOCA TIONAL CRITERIA SO AS TO ALLOW
EXP ANSION OF THE EXISTING CHURCH USE ON THE
ADJACENT PROPERTY ONTO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY,
LOCA TED ON THE WEST SIDE OF SANTA BARBARA
BOULEVARD, 1/3 MILE NORTH OF GOLDEN GATE
PARKWAY (CR886), IN SECTION 29, TOWNSHIP 49 SOUTH,
RANGE 26 EAST, CONSISTING OF 3.54 +/- ACRES - ADOPTED
W/CHANGE TO TRANSMIT TO DCA
MR. WEEKS: And Commissioners, our first item is Petition
CP-2006-5, petition requesting an amendment to the Golden Gate
Area Master Plan to change the conditional uses sub-district by adding
the subject site as an exception to locational criteria so as to allow
expansion of the existing church use on the adjacent property onto the
subject property, which is located on the west side of Santa Barbara
Boulevard, one-third mile north of Golden Gate Parkway, in Section
29, Township 49 south, Range 26 east, comprising approximately
three-and-a-half acres.
MR. NADEAU: Commissioners, good morning. For the record,
my name is Dwight Nadeau. I'm planning manager for the firm R W A,
representing the First Baptist Church of Golden Gate, the CP-06-5.
With me this morning is Cindy Kreutzer. She is from the church.
The purpose of this Golden Gate Area Master Plan amendment,
to provide for an opportunity for an expansion of church-related
facilities onto the property owned by the church, which is immediately
to the north. That expansion property is 3.54 acres. It is the north 180
feet of Tract 107, Unit 30, Golden Gate Estates.
As you can see on the little aerial photo that I put up, subject
property is on the east side of Santa Barbara, just a little bit north of
Painted Leaf Lane, which is approximately, let's say, two-thirds of a
mile north of Golden Gate Parkway.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Mr. Nadeau, can I interrupt you,
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please?
MR. NADEAU: Absolutely.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Staff and Planning Commission has
recommended approval.
MR. NADEAU : Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: You know, that's -- to me it's a
no-brainer.
MR. NADEAU: Thank you very much. I'll stop my -- I'll
conclude my presentation. Be happy to answer any questions that you
might have.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Yeah. I don't find any problem with
churches in District 3. I think it really makes a community. The
Planning Commission made some stipulations --
MR. NADEAU: Indeed, yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: -- as a part of their recommendations.
MR. NADEAU: Yes, sir, and we're in full agreement with them.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Well, with that, I'll make a motion
that we transmit to DCA.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second your motion.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Second by commissioner -- David,
Mr. Weeks?
MR. WEEKS: Commissioners, as -- if you'll turn to page 3 in
your executive summary, about halfway down, I'd like to address the
Planning Commission's recommendation, one small change. The
double underline, double strikethrough shows the Planning
Commission changes.
Number one, they imposed a -- a recommended, to add a square
footage limitation of 12,000 square feet onto the subject property.
Secondly, they recommended striking through the term church-related
day care, and instead have it simply say day care use shall not be
allowed. And Planning Commission's -- Commission asked staff at
the time if we had any objection to that change and we responded no.
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But after thinking about it further, we do, and I'd like to explain why.
The master plan has a strict limitation on where conditional uses
can be located. This petition is asking for the subject site to be an
exception specifically for a church use. No other exception. So the
only allowable conditional use, if this is approved, would be a church.
To state that a day care is not allowed is not necessary, any more
than it would be necessary to say a social fraternal organization is not
allowed or any other of the conditional uses allowed in the Estates
zoning district because this exception is only for a church.
The reason staff had recommended adding the language
"church-related day care would not be allowed" is because that is not a
free-standing conditional use, rather one associated with the church
and one that typically would be viewed as being allowed.
So with the exception for the church, a church-related day care,
in staffs opinion, is something that ordinarily would be allowed;
therefore, the staff recommendation would be, do not strike through
church-related day care, leave it as -- leave it in place so that the
amendment will only allow for a church to be located on the property,
which is the applicant's intent, and it will clearly identify that a
church-related day care is not allowed, and then, of course, any other
conditional use in the Estates district would not be allowed either
because it is not being accepted.
Perhaps a bit confusing, but it's a matter of, believe it or not,
clarity.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. Before I--
MR. NADEAU: Certainly the applicant has no objection to the
changes.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Before I restate my motion, my
colleagues have questions or comments, starting with Commissioner
Halas and then Commissioner Coletta.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: My question was answered. That's
exactly where I was going with this, okay? I just wanted to get some
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clarification. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner--
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Thank you, and same here. I
understand what it was now.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: So I -- the amendment or clarification
to the motion is to strike out day care, correct?
MR. WEEKS: And replace it with church-related day care.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Yeah, church-related day care or
activities, correct?
MR. WEEKS: The word activities is not necessary, but no harm
done.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That's fine with me.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. It's okay with the second.
Discussion on the motion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HENNING: All in favor of the motion, signify by
saymg aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: (Absent.)
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Carries unanimously.
MR. NADEAU: Thank you, Commissioners.
Item #2B
RESOLUTION 2008-124: PETITION CP-2006-7 REQUESTING
AN AMENDMENT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT,
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INCLUDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND MAP SITE
(FLUE/FLUM), TO CHANGE THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL
SUBDISTRICT DESIGNATION IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THE
ITALIAN AMERICAN PLAZA AND CLUBHOUSE
COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT IN THE URBAN COMMERCIAL
DISTRICT, FOR A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT CLUBHOUSE UP TO
26,000 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS LEASABLE AREA FOR
FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, SCHOOLS, PROFESSIONAL AND
MEDICAL OFFICES, PERSONAL AND BUSINESS SERVICES
CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMERCIAL PROFESSIONAL
AND GENERAL OFFICE (C-l) ZONING DISTRICT OF THE
COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR
PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF
THE INTERSECTION OF AIRPORT ROAD AND ORANGE
BLOSSOM DRIVE, IN SECTION 2, TOWNSHIP 49 SOUTH,
RANGE 25 EAST, CONSISTING OF 5 +/- ACRES - ADOPTED
TO TRANSMIT TO DCA W/CCPC RECOMMENDATIONS
MR. WEEKS: Commissioners, next is Petition CP-2006-7,
petition requesting an amendment to the Future Land Use Element,
including the Future Land Use Map and Map Series, to change the
Future Land Use Map designation from urban residential sub-district
to a new Italian American plaza and clubhouse commercial sub-
district within the urban commercial district to allow a clubhouse not
to exceed 20,000 square feet and up to 26,000 square feet of gross
leasable area for financial institutions, schools, professional and
medical offices, and personal and business services consistent with the
C-l zoning district of the Collier County Land Development Code for
property located at the southwest corner of Airport Road and Orange
Blossom Drive in Section 2, Township 49 south, Range 25 east,
comprising of approximately five acres.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Mr. Y ovanovich?
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MR. YOV ANOVICH: Good morning, Commissioners. For the
record, Rich Y ovanovich, on behalf of the petitioner. With me today
are Bob Duane and Chuck Mohlke and Ray LaCotta and Ren Morani
from the Italian American Club.
As you can see from the visualizer, the property is an
approximately five-acre parcel. It's outlined in pink. It's at the
southwest quadrant or Orange Blossom and Airport Road.
The property currently houses the Italian American Club, which
was constructed about 40 years ago. The -- what the request is, is to
expand the Italian American Club from its current roughly 7,000
square fee to 20,000 square feet and also allow office and schools and
financial institutions on the site.
The Italian American Club is dated and basically needs to be
replaced. The goal would be to move the Italian American Club from
its current location on the property to the grass area that you see on the
property, and then the office and financial institution would be where
the current club is.
As you can see from the surrounding development, this is no
longer really a residential corner or area. You have the government
center with the library and the government office building on the
northwest quadrant, and then on the east side of Airport Road, those
two corners have already been rezoned to commercial uses. So it's
really not a residential corridor anymore.
Plus, there's only about two, two-and-a-half acres left on that site,
so putting residential on that two, two-and-a-half acres really couldn't
be compatible with what's around it.
The Planning Commission -- the original request was for retail.
Staff objected to retail, and the Planning Commission didn't think
retail was appropriate in the area either. So the request was changed
from the 20,000 square foot for the club, that stayed the same, but the
additional 26,000 went from retail to office and financial institutions.
With that, the Planning Commission recommended approval 8-1, and
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that's, in summary, the request.
And we had our neighborhood information meeting. I think the
neighbors were looking forward to a more modern and nicer-looking
facility on that corner.
As you all know, there's been many -- the Italian American Club
provides many, many public events on that site, as well as provides a
public facility for weddings and other events that's really needed in
that area of the county anyway. You've got plenty of country clubs if
you want to go high-end, but you don't really have any mid-range
facilities to serve the public to have special events and the charities
that the Italian American Club serves.
So with that, we're requesting you follow your Planning
Commission recommendation to transmit.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Halas, Commissioner
Fiala.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Yes. Rich, are you also the
petitioner on the next one that we're going to be hearing, which is
CP-2006-8?
MR. YOV ANOVICH: No, sir, I'm not. That's Mr. Nadeau.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Okay.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: But we have talked to your staff about
transmitting as two separate petitions, but at adoption, coming up with
one sub-district. We just need to work out the details to make sure
that we're -- even though we're one sub-district, we each have our own
allocation of development.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Yeah, that was my concern. I
know that there was some discussion in regards to interconnectivity,
so --
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Sure.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: -- that we wouldn't run into a
problem with the roads in that area.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Right.
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COMMISSIONER HALAS: And also the enhancements that
were going to take place at that intersection of Orange Blossom and
Airport.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Right. The plan would be -- I'm sorry to
interrupt. But as far as the enhancements go, the plan would be to add
an additional turn lane to Orange Blossom, which would free up the
through movements going further east to Livingston Road and allow
people to turn north onto Airport Road, which seems to be the
bottleneck on that road.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Okay. There was also some
concern, I believe, from residents that lived west on Orange Blossom
Drive, that they wouldn't be impacted by traffic coming out of this --
these two segments of land that are going to be basically put together.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: What will end up happening,
Commissioner, is --
COMMISSIONER HALAS: In other words, those people would
be going west on Orange Blossom out to Goodlette-Frank Road.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: We'll actually be making -- going west to
Goodlette- Frank?
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Yeah.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: We shouldn't have any impact on that at
all. What will end up happening is this entrance will stay, this
entrance basically will go away, and we may get a right-out only --
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Okay.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: -- if we're developed separately. But if
we develop jointly, there may be some opportunities for
interconnection going that way.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Okay. My last question is, I'm glad
that the Planning Commission brought up the fact that we've got a lot
of retail, and I think to the north of this, that we have a mixed-use that
came before us, and I'm not sure, I think there's retail across the street,
kitty-corner across the street that's supposed to be there eventually.
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So it's my understanding that you have medical office and offices
in general, and then the other agricultural land that wants to be
rezoned basically is going to possibly be for assisted living; is that my
understanding?
MR. YOV ANOVICH: That's my understanding of their
presentation. And I believe also 12,000 square feet of office; is that
right, Mr. Nadeau?
MR. NADEAU: Yes.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: All right. I thank you very much
for your time on this.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. I make a motion to approve.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: There's a motion --
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Second.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: -- by Commissioner Fiala to transmit
to DCA, there's a second by Commissioner Halas.
Is there any public speakers?
MS. FILSON: No, sir.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Question? Yes, Mr. Weeks?
MR. WEEKS: Clarification. Would that be to approve per
Planning Commission recommendation?
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: That's my motion.
MR. WEEKS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Fiala agrees, second
also agrees.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Mr. Klatzkow, do you have anything?
MR. KLA TZKOW: No, sir.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: All in favor of the motion, signify by
saymg aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: (Absent.)
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COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Carries unanimous.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Thank you.
Item #2C
RESOLUTION 2008-125: PETITION CP-2006-8 REQUESTING AN
AMENDMENT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT,
INCLUDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND MAP SITE
(FLUE/FLUM), TO CHANGE THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL
SUBDISTRICT DESIGNATION IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THE
AIRPORT/ORANGE BLOSSOM COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT
IN THE URBAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, FOR UP TO 12,000
SQUARE FEET OF GROSS LEASABLE AREA FOR FINANCIAL
INSTITUTIONS, PROFESSIONAL AND MEDICAL OFFICES,
AND PERSONAL AND BUSINESS SERVICES, ALONG WITH
SENIOR HOUSING IN THE FORM OF AN ADULT LIVING
FACILITY AND/OR CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT
CENTER, OR OTHER SIMILAR HOUSING FOR THE ELDERLY,
CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMERCIAL PROFESSIONAL
AND GENERAL OFFICE (C-I) ZONING DISTRICT OF THE
COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, FOR
PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF AIRPORT
ROAD, APPROXIMA TEL Y 330 FEET SOUTH OF ORANGE
BLOSSOM DROVE AND ADJACENTLY SOUTH OF THE
ITALIAN AMERICAN CLUB, IN SECTION 2, TOWNSHIP 49
SOUTH, RANGE 25 EAST, CONSISTING OF 5 +/- ACRES -
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ADOPTED W/CCPC RECOMMENDATIONS TO TRANSMIT TO
DCA
MR. WEEKS: Commissioners, next petition is CP-2006-8,
petition requesting an amendment to the Future Land Use Element,
including the Future Land Use Map and Map Series, to change the
Future Land Use Map designation from urban residential sub-district
to the new Airport/Orange Blossom commercial sub-district within the
urban commercial district to allow up to 12,000 square feet of gross
leasable area for financial institution, professional and medical offices,
and personal and business services, along with senior housing in the
form of an adult living facility and/or continuing care retirement
center or other similar housing for the elderly consistent with the C-l
zoning district of the Collier County Land Development Code for
property located on the east side of Airport Road, 330 feet south of
Orange Blossom Drive and adjacent to the south of the Italian
American Club, which was also the preceding petition, further located
in Section 2, Township 49 south, Range 25 east, comprising
approximately 5 acres.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Mr. Nadeau, before you start, I think
Commissioner Halas wants to make a motion.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: I'd like to talk with Nick
Casalanguida before I make that motion.
Nick, if you could step up to the mike here, please.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Good morning, Commissioners. For
the record, Nick Casalanguida. I apologize in need to be sworn in, if
this needs to be sworn in.
No, okay, thank you.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: My question is, you've discussed
with both petitioners in regards to these two pieces of lands that will
probably be married together.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes, sir.
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COMMISSIONER HALAS: My question is, do you feel
comfortable with what's been presented and what's been discussed
with the Planning Commission in regards to road capacity and getting
in and out of these two pieces of property?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: I think it's an opportunity to have them
interconnect and make them a unified access and access control. Also,
we've discussed that this should be a mini consortium per se; that
intersection of Orange Blossom and Airport there requires multiple
improvements. And if they work together in a group __ and that was
the recommendation for the Planning Commission __ I am comfortable
that the capacity will increase sufficient to handle this project.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Okay. Thank you very much for
your time.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: You're welcome, sir.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: With that, I make a motion to
approve this with the __
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Nick.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: -- caveats that was put in here by
the Planning Commission.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And I second that motion.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: A motion by Commissioner Halas to
forward to DCA with Planning Commission's recommendations,
second by Commissioner Fiala.
Nick?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes, sir
CHAIRMAN HENNING: What -- Dwight, would you put that
back, please.
MR. NADEAU: Oh, I'm sorry. There we go.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Can you tell the board what you
envision of the intersection improvements at Orange Blossom?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure. I probably need the
microphone, but let me walk you through it if I can.
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An additional turn lane heading westbound, an additional turn
lane heading eastbound and an overall intersection improvement
probably putting that signal on the SCOOT system, and then an
interconnection between the two projects.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: What -- when you say a turn lane, we
already know that going east you want a right-hand turn lane. What
about on the other side?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: It would be an additional left turn lane
in both directions, opposing left turn lanes.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Opposing left turn lanes.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes, sir, and I think what we were --
the object is to get the developer that's at the northeast corner,
southwest corner, this developer, and everybody to kind of work
together with right-of-way, water management, and the design. And
then what we'd do is probably an overall intersection analysis and say
what works the best and design it that way. That's our goal.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: I see. So you're going to have more
involvement besides these two landowners?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes, sir. It's similar to what we've
done on 41, what we've done on Pine Ridge and Whippoorwill and
J&C, is to get the group together and say, what benefits you all, and
you all need to work together on this.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Now, isn't it in the plan to four lane
Orange Blossom from, what is it, Goodlette-Frank to Livingston
Road?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: It's on the constrained plan, sir. Is not
on the needs plan or the financially feasible plan.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes. It says here that prior to
the adoption hearing, prepare and submit to staff new data and
analysis, including a market conditions study and a comparative traffic
analysis with the revised amounts, intensities and types of use
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allowed. In other words, this thing's still up for grab? Or hasn't these
studies already been done?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: It has, sir. It's been done by several
applicants.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: How much of a time lag would
there be between when this study was done and the new one that's
requested here?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Well, the idea would be to do a study
where all of them work together on. The studies that have come in --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Oh, I see.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: -- have been fragmented. The idea
would be if they all do a unified study similar to what we did at Pine
Ridge and Whippoorwill and say, based on the overall traffic of all the
projects, this is the improvement, and then get buy-in from all of them.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: That makes sense. It didn't say
that in my executive summary, and now that I understand that, thank
you very much.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: You're welcome, sir.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Thank you.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: You're welcome.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Sue, is there any public speakers?
MS. FILSON: No, sir.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Discussion on the motion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Seeing none, all in favor of the
motion, signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: (Absent.)
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Opposed?
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(No response.)
MR. NADEAU: Thank you, Commissioners.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Carries unanimously.
Item #2D
PETITION CP-2006-9 - REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO
THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, INCLUDING THE
FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND MAP SITE (FLUE/FLUM), TO
CHANGE THE FLUM DESIGNATION FROM RURAL LANDS
STEWARDSHIP AREA (RLSA) OPEN AREA TO A HABITAT
STEWARDSHIP AREA, TO MAKE CORRESPONDING
CHANGES TO ACREAGE FIGURES IN RLSA POLICIES, AND
TO INCREASE THE CAP ON EARLY ENTRY BONUS
STEWARDSHIP CREDITS IN RLSA POLICY 1.21, FOR
PROPERTY LOCATED WEST OF LAKE TRAFFORD IN THE
RLSA, IN SECTION 33, TOWNSHIP 46 SOUTH, RANGE 28
EAST, CONSISTING OF 191.80 +/- ACRES - MOTION TO
MOVE AMENDMENT TO THE 2007 GMP CYCLE - APPROVED
MR. WEEKS: Commissioners, next is petition CP-2006-9,
petition requesting an amendment to the Future Land Use Element,
including the Future Land Use Map and Map Series, to change the
Future Land Use Map designation from rural land stewardship area
open to rural land stewardship area, habitat stewardship area, to make
corresponding changes to acreage figures within the rural land
stewardship area policies, and to increase the cap on early entry bonus
stewardship credits within the rural land stewardship area policy 1.21
for property located west of Lake Trafford within the rural land
stewardship area in Section 33, Township 46 south, Range 28 east,
consisting of approximately 192 acres.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Coletta?
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COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes, thank you. I'd just like to
make note here that we have a unanimous approval from not only the
Planning Commission, but from staff. This is a -- this is a good thing.
And I'd like to make a motion for approval.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Second.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: There's a motion by Commissioner
Coletta for approval, second by Commissioner Halas.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Just one tiny little thing. On the
opening page from Hole Montes, it talks about background, and in
here it refers to the RSLA rather than the RL -- RSLA rather than the
RLSA, just once, and I thought you might want to correct that before
you send it to the DCA.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: You are good.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Is there any public speakers on this?
MS. FILSON: Yes, sir. I have two public speakers. Tom
Taylor? Nancy Payton?
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Ms. Payton.
MS. PAYTON: Good morning.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Good morning.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Good morning.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Thanks.
MS. PAYTON : You're welcome.
Good morning, Commissioners. Nancy Payton representing the
Florida Wildlife Federation, and I'm here today to ask you not to
transmit this Comprehensive Plan amendment.
As you recall, when the rural land stewardship area plan was
adopted, that there was to be a five-year review, and that five-year
review was to address several items, and I have on the visualizer some
of the issues that it was to address.
Whoops, and I -- that's my one copy.
One of the issues it was to address was what lands should be
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designated as sending and what shouldn't, and the five-year review
was to go back and see what were the shortcomings in the five-year,
where did we have glitches, where were there problems?
And then there was the LDC that went into effect that it followed
up on that compo plan policy that addressed several things, and one of
them, if you look at -- and you do have a copy of it -- says that
subsequent to the June 2008 review, the rural land stewardship overlay
and district regulations may be amended. And the philosophy back
then was that we have dealt with rural land stewardship area as one
large area, and now if we start having individual landowners coming
in and modifying it to their benefit, it undermines that comprehensive
planning strategy.
And as this review has come forward, there have been many
concerns about, well, how many credits do we have out there, how
many credits can it generate and how many credits does that translate
into development. And I think before we -- we need to get a handle
on how many credits are out there before we start generating more
credits and re-designating lands.
I want to let you know that this landowner participated regularly,
intimately, in the development of rural land stewardship overlay. And
during that process, they never objected to these lands being sending
lands. It was only two years or so into the program that they decided,
well, maybe this ought to be sending lands, because at that time I think
that's when the market was going up and potentially there were some
opportunities for -- to sell credits.
My concern is that it undermines the comprehensive approach to
dealing with this area, and this amendment ought to be rolled into the
five-year review because we're going to have different things
happening at different times, and how can you get a handle on the
overall picture out there if you have these moving amendments.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. Thank you.
MS. PAYTON: Thank you.
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CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Coletta, or Coyle,
we're on 2000 -- or 2006-9.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Could we have the petitioner
address that?
CHAIRMAN HENNING: This is the property that the
Conservation Collier is looking at, correct?
MR. WEEKS: Yes, it is.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: So right now it is somewhat sending,
and now it is a developable -- the petition is to develop a property?
MR. WEEKS: Commissioner, actually it's the opposite. The
present designation is open, which would allow for development of
the property. The request is to change it to habitat stewardship area,
which is a protective status.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Has the Conservation Collier looked
at this application?
MR. WEEKS: Yes, they have.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: And I know that it's not needed for
them to make recommendations. Do you have any indication of what
-- if they did vote on this petition, or did they make recommendations
to the Board of Commissioners, or did they have any concerns?
MR. WEEKS: To my knowledge, they did not make a
recommendation. They are aware of it. It was presented to them. The
advisory -- Conservation Collier Land Acquisition Advisory
Committee had a presentation about this petition, and I think the way I
phrase it is, they did not object to the change, and Mr. Taylor was
present, and I would defer to him as well for comments.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Mr. Taylor?
MR. TAYLOR: As the applicant, Tom Taylor, for the record.
The question came up, was specifically related to, would this affect
value and the appraisal process that's undergoing with the
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Conservation Collier potential acquisition of the property.
We told them that we believed that it would not affect the value,
and that if it did have an impact of increasing the value of the property
during the appraisal process, we would ask that that not be considered
or we would be willing to withdraw the application.
We would prefer not to withdraw the application. It's not going
to be adopted until after the appraisal process is completed. So
indications to us is that it's not going to affect the appraisals in any
way negative to us or negative to the county, if you want to call it that.
So we've elected at this point to continue the process forward.
We're not trying to enhance the value during this appraisal process for
the county. This was something that was applied for in, I believe,
April of2006, and it's taken this long to move to this point in the
process.
So we apologize for the overlapping efforts, this compo plan
amendment process and the Conservation Collier evaluation and
appraisal process, but it's just the way things seemed to have come
together.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Fiala has a question.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. Tom, forgive me for being a
little slow. But if the taxpayers of Collier County, through
Conservation Collier, have already moved forward in wanting to
purchase this property, even though we don't have the assessment for
the property yet, and the county commission unanimously has
approved that purchase waiting, of course, for the evaluation of the
property, why are we going through this process? This is a lot of
money, the cost to go through this process, if you're not even going to
be owning the land, we are. I don't understand.
MR. TAYLOR: Unfortunately, this application and the fee that
was paid was paid in 2006. It was a $16,000-plus, I think, application
fee. That was well before the discussion about submitting to
Conservation Collier occurred.
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So this particular 191 plus or minus acres, as we got to know the
property better, we felt like this property would not be developed. It
was not developable, or it was not appropriate for development in our
opinion, so we felt it was best that that be added to the property that
was immediately adjacent to it which was already habitat stewardship
area.
So adding this same designation to the property was what we
anticipated at the time, and that's -- that's why the application has
moved forward.
Now, certainly we have continued expending money by coming
to hearings like this and advertisements and the like, and that purely is
in the event for some reason the county did not proceed with a -- an
acquisition of the property, that it would still be -- that it would be
moved into a habitat protection area.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: So -- I just have two more questions.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: So in other words, this is not going
to change the value of the property at all, you're not even going to be
owning it, hopefully, we will be, and yet are you moving forward. It's
still not -- it's still not hitting the right cord here. It's not making any
sense to me.
Can you tell me then, can this be put on hold until such time -- as
long as you've paid the money, you're not going to get it back anyway,
could we just put this on hold until such time as the value of the
property is determined and the county decides to either move forward
with it or, if it's too expensive, not move forward with it, and then pick
this up and go forward?
MR. TAYLOR: You know, that probably fits more along the
lines of what staff would say the time lines are for submittal to DCA
and then coming back for adoption hearings. My understanding is,
that can only occur, is it once or twice a year?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Once a year.e
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MR. TAYLOR: Something like that. So, you know, the timing
of it. I guess it could be. I think Ms. Payton is suggesting that it be
delayed and come as --
MS. PAYTON: No, no.
MR. TAYLOR: Okay, I'm sorry. Maybe I'm -- I don't want to
speak for her, I'm sorry.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Yeah. We'll get that clarification.
MR. TAYLOR: Okay.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Is that it? Commissioner Coyle,
Commissioner Coletta, and then I would like to -- since Ms. Payton's
name came up, I would like her to address the board, if you don't
mind.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Yeah, that was to be my question
for Mrs. Payton. Would you go back to the mike, please, Nancy?
Try to tell me why you think it should be delayed from the
standpoint of preservation of the property, protection of the property
from development and cost of the property in the event we really do
decide to buy it.
MS. PAYTON: Well, first from the standpoint of preservation,
any land, open land, can be designated sending. So that ifthere's an
interest in protecting that, there is a mechanism to put open land,
currently that's receiving land, into a sending status. You don't get as
many credits for doing that, and there's some other issues.
Secondly, we have the five-year review which is supposed to be
doing just this, is looking at land that maybe was incorrectly
designated one way or the other and adjusting that, but looking at it
from the comprehensive picture so we can get a handle on what the
credits are out there, how we're possibly going to adjust the credit
system, if we're going to change the balance between sending and
receiving, if we're going to do something different for credits for
restoration. There's discussion about ago preservation incentives. My
concern is that we continue to look at the rural land stewardship area
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in this comprehensive manner.
And there's nothing at this point that requires the landowner to go
ahead and develop that property. Ifhe feels it's sensitive, then he can
continue to protect it. He can use it for some type of mitigation.
There are other opportunities.
But my concern is not to transmit this and to direct the five-year
review committee to look at this along with the other areas that have
been identified that need to be reevaluated. We have a list of20
issues, and other environmental organizations have come up with lists
and are pushing them through the committee, and we urge the
landowners to do that as well, and it seems much more appropriate.
There was a hearing earlier where this issue came up, and Mr.
Taylor said, oh, I forgot about that compo plan amendment. So on one
hand, he had forgot about it; another hearing later on I've invested this
amount of money in it. We've got to move forward. I'm hearing
different rationales at different forums.
So I stand by, this needs to not be transmitted and it must be in
the five-year review to look at it comprehensively. He never made a
-- Pepper Ranch never made an issue of this back in 2003 when the
lands were designated, there was an opportunity to do that, and his
consultant was intimately involved in that planning effort.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: So do you see this as an attempt to
get more credits on this property than would otherwise be the case?
MS. PAYTON: Sure. Why else would you re-designate it to
sending without wanting to seek those credits and -- maximum amount
of credits, because you do get more credits through a sending
designation at this time than you do with open land going to sending.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Then why wouldn't the designation
result in a lower land price if it is changed?
MR. T AYLOR: Well, you may have to be compensating for
those credits if they remain on the land. Conservation Collier may
have to compensate the landowner for those stewardship credits if
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they're not severed.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: And there's no assurance that they
will be severed under these particular circumstance?
MS. PAYTON: We don't know that. We don't know that. My
recollection of Conservation Collier, that they asked for appraisals
with this land as open land, receiving land, and also as sending land so
they could get a better feeling of whether this would or would not
impact the price.
MR. WEEKS: Commissioners, that's correct. They did make
that request.
MS. PAYTON: And I also want to share with you, that when
this application was submitted to Conservation Collier through a fluke
of the application which specifically didn't say, do you have a compo
plan amendment pending, it was not revealed to Conservation Collier
when they initially made their decision that there was this
Comprehensive Plan amendment pending.
Now, that -- for whatever reason, that was not in the original
application. Conservation Collier has amended their nomination form
to make it clear so that there aren't these gray areas that may be
exploited for various reasons.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay. I presume the defense has a
response?
MR. TAYLOR: Well, I take exception to the implication that--
somehow we're trying to pull a fast one. That absolutely is not the
case.
We've said from the beginning when this first came up that if this
is going to increase the value for the Conservation Collier acquisition,
we would ask that it be discounted by that increased value that may be
caused by this.
Frankly, we did forget that we even had this pending. We had no
communication from the county whatsoever from April of 2006, until
Jan -- I believe it was January of2008.
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It was out of sight, out of mind as far as we were concerned. We
didn't think about it when we submitted to Conservation Collier. It
came up when we got the first communication from the county and
said, this is unfortunate that these are running parallel to each other.
We don't want it to become an interference in any way with the
Conservation Collier evaluation. That's not our intent. It never has
been.
Our intent with this has been to protect the land so that it could
not be developed, which is consistent with what our intent was from
the beginning when we purchased the ranch. It adds an additional
protection layer. It does give us the ability, if we were to come in
before the five-year time frame, which is coming up, to get early entry
bonuses, which is one stewardship credit per acre, which is about 191
or 192 credits. And if the land is restored, it does give us the potential,
upon staff and county commission agreement, to get restoration bonus
credits.
But those are not guaranteed in any way, and it would have to be
agreed on by the county staff and the county commission for us to get
that.
So I can assure you, we haven't been trying to do anything other
than what is appropriate for this property and protection of this
property .
We had the application in for two years now. And you know, it's
unfortunate that it's strung out as long as it has, but that's the way
things -- things fell. And I just -- I'm just shocked that somebody
would imply that we're trying to pull something. We are not doing
that.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: If you could get your $16,000
application fee back, would you want to do that and just drop the
whole thing or not?
MR. TAYLOR: I think we would seriously consider that. I
would want to talk to the other general partner in the project because
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he and I have to agree with that, but we would consider that.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay. Now -- this is my final
question, I'll let somebody else get into this.
Nancy, I understand from a philosophical standpoint where a
comprehensive review is essential. What I can't quite understand is
how you accomplish that when you have individual property owners
who might have needs or interests that occur at different points in
time, and one comes to petition for one thing this year, another one
comes to petition for something a year or two years from now. How
do you do that on a single comprehensive review?
MS. PAYTON: Well, I think that's appropriate as we move
forward beyond the five-year review, but the five-year review -- we
implemented a plan that had never been done elsewhere. It was
entirely new. It was entirely different.
And so if you look at LDC and you look at, gee, the five-year
comprehensive review, it was, we need to go back in five years, we've
got to let it work and see how it functions, and then we need to go
back and see, do we have this right? But by jumping ahead of that,
how can that committee do a comprehensive review when we've got
potentially two ranches that are on their own -- own different program
than the overall plan?
So it's not going to say -- be that much time difference by rolling
into the five-year review. And I -- I support your suggestion that -- to
refund the $16,000 and that the committee can incorporate these issues
into their review.
After the five-year review -- and it does say that in the Land
Development Code -- subsequent to the June, 2008, review, the rural
land stewardship area overlay and district regulations may be amended
in response to the county's assessment and evaluation of the
participation in and the effectiveness of the stewardship program.
So when that went into effect and my interpretation of that, it was
that this is -- we've got to get a handle on it. There have been issues
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raised from all different entities. The Planning Commission, which
surprised me as to why they moved this forward -- because they have
repeatedly raised issues about the number of credits out there. We
don't know how many credits are out there. Are the lands properly
designated? There's some new science that's come forward. And,
therefore, I think we do have to keep the plan the same as it was in
2003 for this 2008 review so we can look at it properly.
And how do you account if this is going to change? This is
asking for bonus credits, which we're supposed to jump start the
program in 2003, but this amendment wants them to -- it's retroactive
in many ways. And particularly annoying is that it's from an entity
that was involved very much in the initial planning effort.
And in fact, the rural lands stewardship overlay was modified at
the last minute to accommodate concerns from the Pepper Ranch
because it runs -- it runs into the Immokalee urban area. So there was
a density blending amendment to assure that they could move their
credits around to optimize saving the best habitats. I hope I've
answered --
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Saving the best habitat is not a bad
thing to do, is it?
MS. PAYTON: It's not, and there are ways to do that now. One
is that the plan does allow that land to be designated right now as
sending land.
I think the objection in the -- or the goal of Pepper Ranch is to
maximize the number of credits, because you don't get the same
credits by designating receiving to sending as you do sending to
sending, and that's a big issue that's to be addressed by the rural land
committee.
And there were questions raised about these credits. You get two
credits just for thinking about restoration. And we've raised that issue;
is that appropriate for just saying, we'd like to do restoration, you get
two credits. You should get the credits when you do it, not just
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thinking about it.
So there's some shortcoming and where -- does this put is this
application, this amendment, and Half Circle L, are they vested, are
they out of sync with the recommendations that come out of the
five-year review committee? It just raises big issues.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay, thank you.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Coletta, Commissioner
Fiala?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes. I -- let's see. Probably --
Mr. Taylor, the -- are we absolutely sure -- I mean, there's nothing to
assure us 100 percent that Conservation Collier is going to be able to
purchase this land. We don't know that yet. We haven't got to that
point.
And I think a couple of us made comments up here before that if
it's one dollar above a fair appraised value that we're not going to go
along with it. That's been said.
The action that you're looking for now gives you a little bit of
levity in case the Collier Conservation doesn't go forward, but it still
protects the lands? Does it protect it any less than what's there now?
MR. TAYLOR: It's protecting more.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: That's exactly my point. Now,
if Conservation Collier, if the deal collapsed at some point in time --
and it could happen. There's absolutely no guarantee, even though I
know we have a lot of supporters for Pepper Ranch -- that item's going
to be carried in here and it's not going to have some fatal flaw in it, it
might go down in flames.
Meanwhile, we have an entity out there that's offering to give up
the rights of development at this point in time to sever the credits and
to not use them in any way. And I'll tell you something, I got a
memory that's long enough to remember this day when it came before
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the commission. And if you ever asked, saying, okay, we need these
credits for bringing the price -- more and more dollars from the
Conservation Collier to offset the credits, I won't go along with it. I
don't think you expect us to go along with that.
I am a little curious, knowing everything that we do know now,
what is the advantage for your company to do this?
MR. TAYLOR: The stewardship program is an intensive-based
program. The intensive to putting the best habitat land into protection
is the stewardship credits that you have the ability to remove and
transfer elsewhere.
Putting this into the habitat land as opposed to open, which could
be developed, creates that additional incentive to protect that land
rather than do something else on it.
It's got two mechanisms of doing that. One is the early entry
bonus credit, and that's -- we don't know whether we'll take advantage
of that or not because we haven't had a discussion about the next step
of this if this is approved, and I don't know if it will even be adopted
before the early entry period expires.
The other is for restoration of the land and the potential of getting
the restoration bonus credits. Again, that's an incentive-based
additional credit. If you spend the time and effort and money to do
restoration, you get the additional credits.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: However, with that said, now, if
-- Mr. Taylor, if we do purchase through Conservation Collier your
land here, then all this you went through is really for no reason at all.
MR. TAYLOR: Effectively that's the case.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah. But it gives -- but the
thing is, it gives us a built-in assurance that if something goes terribly
wrong with the Collier -- Conservation Collier purchase, this is like an
ace in the hole to make sure this land stays into preservation, and that's
the way I look at it.
MR. TAYLOR: That in a nutshell, and I'm -- I'm sorry that we're
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not on the same page, Nancy and I. This is a little bit unusual that we
have an environmental group that's not on the same page.
And I understand philosophically. I think where she's coming
from is this should be evaluated as part of the overall five-year plan.
Had I known where we would be today two years ago when we started
this effort, we, you know, we wouldn't have been at this point. But,
you know, time ticked by and here we are.
Our intent, our desire, is to still protect this land. As Nancy said,
it can be protected. We don't have to develop it, but it's an
incentive-based protection program, and that's all -- that's all we were
asking and why our application was submitted to begin with.
We felt that this land should be -- that it's very similar to the
property immediately to the north, which already has protection. It
was a habitat area. I don't know how we missed it, frankly, when we
were involved with the RLSA program five, four, five years ago.
I wasn't that personally familiar with that part of the property at
the time. We came in somewhat last minute, and there was some
accommodation made between our Immokalee urban area lands and
the RLSA in some transferability and some density blending and that
type of thing.
But it came pretty clear to us not long after that, that that area
really probably should have been part of the habitat area, so we
proceeded with it -- with the application, and --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah. Mr. Taylor, one more --
one more question regarding the area and what we're looking at that's
before us today.
If we were to approve this and send it forward and it came back
for adoption and four commissioners passed it at that point in time,
that would give us the assurance that this land remains -- the habitat
remains in protection in perpetuity, or at or at least that point in time
that somebody doesn't forget 12 generations from now.
If you weren't successful in selling your land to Conservation
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Collier and you had some time -- a point in time, possibly during your
lifetime or when your demise comes and it goes on to somebody else,
they would be bound by this particular stewardship area, the business
of the sending lands; that would stay there regardless of who owned
the land, correct?
MR. T AYLOR: That is correct.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. This is all part of the Pepper
Ranch, not only this one, but the next one?
MR. TAYLOR: The next application, I think you're referring to,
is part of the Half Circle L Ranch. It's a little bit different animal but,
again, similar to potential restoration of parts of that property.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: But don't we have --
MR. T AYLOR: The next application is not directly related to
this one.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, it isn't. Somehow I thought
Pepper Ranch was like 2,450 acres.
MR. TAYLOR: It is. It's 2,512 acres, I believe.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. So -- and the two acres (sic)
here total just about that, don't they?
MR. TAYLOR: We are only asking with this application to
change designation, I believe it's 191.8 acres.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. I guess I'm having trouble
why they're separated here. I don't understand that if they're all
Pepper Ranch.
And the last thing is, have you given us any appraisals yet for this
property? I know we've been wanting to see them.
MR. TAYLOR: The County itself actually does the appraisals.
The county has hired two appraisal firms. That effort is underway.
County staff and we had an opportunity, all of us, to meet together
about a month ago. So that's underway, and it's anticipated that this
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will come back, and I think the appraisal should be done in about
another month, is my understanding.
Maybe I can help with this. I'm not sure if I can or not. I don't
know if staff can delay adoption hearings or not. Maybe staff can
answer that for me, and that might give me an alternative to put out on
the table for you.
MR. WEEKS: Well, not for a single petition. It would affect the
entire cycle. This petition would either be heard with the balance of
the '06 cycle at adoption hearings or it would need to become part of
the next cycle of amendments.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay.
MR. WEEKS: I would comment further that I agree with what
Mr. Taylor said. It's my understanding of the timeline that the
appraisals for this property are expected within the next few months, I
think over the -- sometime during the summer, whereas the adoption
hearings, though they are not set yet, we would anticipate
approximately September for this -- for these petitions to come back to
you for adoption. So there is a period of a few months where we think
things will start to settle out where we think we'll have the appraisals
in place by the time we get to the adoption hearings.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That was it. I feel that, you know,
Tom has taken -- Mr. Taylor has shown me his property. It's
magnificent. And I certainly want to see it protected as much as we
can, but I would like to see this delayed until the next cycle till we can
get all of this stuff taken care of, personally.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Coyle?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: If this property is protected, why
would Conservation Collier want to buy it? It's protected. What is the
purpose of Conservation Collier? To protect property against
development.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: That's what it was -- the premise it
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was sold on to the people.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Yeah. So if it's protected, why are
you going to spend taxpayers' money to buy it? Could somebody give
me an answer?
MR. WEEKS: I could just comment that one distinction between
privately owned lands that are protected versus public, of course, is
public access.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: And that's the only reason?
MR. WEEKS: That comes to my mind at least.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: We might spend tens of millions of
dollars to buy protected land just so somebody can go out and walk
around; is that right?
MS. PAYTON: I raised question -- Nancy Payton. I raised
questions about the purchase. I'm the only conservation group that
did, and I have taken flack for that.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Well, by the way, this is not the
time for us to make that decision, but I'm just asking for information,
okay. And how is it going to affect you? I'm as interested in property
rights as I am in conserving property.
MR. TAYLOR: Sure.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: So what I'm really asking is, if you
preserve it, have you not -- not accomplished our purposes, which is to
preserve the land? Why would we want to spend, how much, 60, 70
million dollars to purchase --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thirty.
MR. MUDD: Thirty-five.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Thirty-five?
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Let's have an offer.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay, 35. How about 20?
MR. TAYLOR: We're not going to ask for a dollar more than
the appraisal.
The ranch as a whole -- our intention and what we told the family
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when we bought into the partnership was that we wanted to try to
preserve the ranch in its entirety. It's something of a historic landmark
in Immokalee. The flora and fauna that are on the property use the
property in its entirety.
There are certain areas that meet a technical criteria, the technical
criteria that the county has established in drawing lines on a map that
say this is habitat area, this is open area, et cetera. That doesn't mean
the animals don't go back and forth.
We've offered the Conservation Collier the entirety of the ranch
to try and preserve it in its entirety. There's recognition and there was
a discussion with the appraisers that there are parts of that property
that have less value, parts of the property have greater value, and that
will be considered in the appraisals process, from what we have been
told. So we believe that to be the case.
And depending on what the total value is in the entirety and
protecting the entirety of the ranch, I think, comes down to the
decision that Conservation Collier and you folks make the ultimate
decision, should we buy this ranch in its entirety because of its
collective value as opposed to a piece of the ranch that may have some
level of protection already.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: What portions of the ranch have no
protection whatsoever? How many acres are we talking about?
MR. TAYLOR: Over 1,500 acres.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Have no protection at all?
MR. TAYLOR: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay, thank you.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: I know that a lot of my colleagues
have said something. I've always asked that question, is, if its -- the
RLS program works if we allow it to. Mr. Taylor says, this needs to
be protected, and this is what the application is.
My perspective, I don't want to purchase a piece of property
that's already being protected. There are other properties in Collier
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County that would make up -- small parcels could make up a big
parcel of protection, interconnectivity and that.
And I'm willing to kick this ball down the road. But at end of the
day, is it going to be protected by private industry or does it have to be
protected by the public industry, or with the public sector?
To me, it should not be both. We're not being very prudent with
the dollars. Just because you have public access, to spend $20 million,
I think, is absolutely ridiculous.
And with that, I'm going to give it to Commissioner Coletta.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Thank you, Commissioner
Henning.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Then Commissioner Halas.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And I got to tell you something,
I probably disagree with that statement more than I've had -- with
anything you've ever said before.
There's an element here you're totally forgetting, and that element
is that -- the rules that are created by man. As long as this remains in
the private sector, a couple generations from now or even a generation
from now they can rewrite the rules. If this is in the public domain,
same as a national park, be it Yellowstone or Everglades National
Park or whatever, they'll remain in the public domain forever.
But to leave it in the private domain, you're going to have people
amending this over the years to the point that you're going to lose the
value of this as far as a pristine environment that can be enjoyed by
many.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Halas?
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Yes. I took a tour of this particular
property, and what concerned me is that there was a large area that
fronted Lake Trafford, and that presently is zoned RT zoning. I think
this is a great opportunity for us to invest in the future as far as people
having the ability to go there to recreate on the lands that are next to
the lake.
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We've done a poor job in the past in regards to providing access
to water for our citizens. And instead of having this developed in R T
zoning with high-rises and privatizing it to the point where nobody
can use it, I feel this is a great opportunity for us to acquire this land
and also all the other lands around it, even though some of it may be
protected because of the fact I believe that would give the opportunity
of the people who live in an urban area the understanding of what a
rural area is, and I think it could be used as a working ranch and give
respect that we need for all the lands here in Collier County.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. You know, I don't think that's
a silly statement, Commissioner Coletta. Look at Alligator Alley. It
is owned by the public and it is being sold by the government. That is
no different than anything else that the government owns. It can sell
anything it wants to. So I disagree with your statement and I'm not
going to support the motion.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. Mind you that the
motion is not to purchase Pepper Ranch. In fact, I think we're doing
the petitioner a disservice by what you heard today. Do you really
want to go forward with this petition when you heard this mixed bag
up here where you're going to give up some of your rights so you put
yourself in the bag so they say it's not something they want to
purchase just because you've already stepped forward of your own
initiative and put conservation easements on your property so that
you're destroying your chance of ever selling it? Do you really want
to go forward?
MR. TAYLOR: Well, let me make a suggestion. I've had a little
bit of side discussion here with the county attorney. I guess maybe we
can ask, can we put this off and put it with the 2007 cycle? That will
have an opportunity for it to get through the Conservation Collier
process or not, if we have that ability to do that. I don't see it
changing anything dramatically with what our intentions are with the
property .
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We can delay it. I don't want to be part of -- you know, we don't
want to be part of controversy . We were thinking we were doing the
right things here. So I apologize for that and just suggest, you know,
maybe we can just put it off for a year and put it in the next cycle.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And before I withdraw my
motion and make a new one, what do you have to do with the 1-75
being sold to the public interest? No, I'm just kidding. Forget that.
I withdraw my motion and make a new motion to move this
forward to the '07 cycle.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: So you've withdrawn your motion?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Withdrawn my motion.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Changing your mind?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Making a new motion.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: And your new motion is?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: To move it forward to the '07
cycle.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. So you want to not submit this
to the -- for this cycle and you want to submit it to the 2007 cycle?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: That's very good, yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. My analogy was right on
point.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: How is that?
CHAIRMAN HENNING: The government owns land. It could
change its mind what it does with that land, and you'll see that --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And I--
CHAIRMAN HENNING: -- quite a bit in the future, so --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And I need to counter,
Commissioner Henning.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Well, I don't know why you want to
argue today.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, I do though.
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CHAIRMAN HENNING: I understand that.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And I think your analogy that
you're trying to draw to this is completely incorrect. One, it hasn't
happened. The citizens of this county and this state are very much in
opposition to that. Look at such things as the national parks. Have
you seen any of them being turned over to private interests?
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Not yet.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: That's a lot less likely in the
public sector than it is in the private sector.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. It's going to be a wonderful
day.
Any discussion on the motion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HENNING: All in favor of the motion, signify by
saymg aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Motion carries unanimously.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Next?
Item #2E
RESOLUTION 2008-126: PETITION CP-2006-10 REQUESTING
AN AMENDMENT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE
ELEMENT, INCLUDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND
MAP SERIES (FLUE/FLUM), TO CHANGE THE FLUM
DESIGNATION FROM RURAL LANDS STEWARDSHIP AREA
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(RLSA) OPEN AREA TO A HABITAT STEWARDSHIP AREA,
TO MAKE CORRESPONDING CHANGES TO ACREAGE
FIGURES IN RLSA POLICIES, AND TO INCREASE THE CAP
ON EARLY ENTRY BONUS STEWARDSHIP CREDITS IN
RLSA POLICY 1.21, FOR PROPERTY LOCATED EAST OF
IMMOKALEE IN THE RLSA AND WITHIN THE AREA OF
CRITICAL STATE CONCERN, IN SECTIONS 13, 14, 15,22,23,
26 AND 27, TOWNSHIP46 SOUTH, RANGE 30 EAST,
CONSISTING OF 2,431.80 +/- ACRES - TO TRANSMIT TO DCA
- ADOPTED
MR. WEEKS: The next petition is petition CP-2006-1O, petition
requesting an amendment to the Future Land Use Element including
the Future Land Use Map and Map Series, to change the Future Land
Use Map from rural land stewardship area, that's the RLSA, open
designation to habitat stewardship area designation to make
corresponding changes to acreage figures in the RLSA policies, and to
increase the cap on early entry bonus stewardship credits in RLSA
policy 1.21 for property located east of Immokalee within the RLSA
and within the area of critical state concern in Sections 13, 14, 15, 22,
23,24,26, and 27, Township 46 south, Range 30 east, comprising of
approximately 2,432 acres.
MR. DUANE: Hi. For the record, my name is Robert Duane. I
have Mr. Scofield here, the owner of the ranch. It comprises of
approximately 10,000 acres. It's located in northeastern Collier
County; approximately half of it, or 5,000 acres, is in Hendry County,
and the balance of it is in Collier County.
This was also the subject of a stewardship SSA area that was
before you in two oh six when a conservation easement was placed on
-- over, by and large, all of this property.
The request here, however, today is to designate 2,500 acres that
are in the open lands category and change those to a habitat
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stewardship area.
They're presently habitat stewardship areas located to the north of
our open lands designated area, lands to the south, and there's a flow-
way stewardship area located to the west.
So this would make approximately the area that you see -- by and
large, this impacted area that you see from past agricultural practices,
it would make it eligible for restoration, additional restoration credits,
not unlike -- there's some similarities between this and the previous
application.
This is taking another step further to not only -- well, with
preserving the land today, but now we're taking that next step to
ensure its further restoration or at least have that opportunity to have
credits available with further restoration of the property.
Weare taking the position and we have staff support from both
the Planning Commission and your own staff that because of the
habitat value and the -- particularly the endangered species value of
these lands -- they're very highly rated for panther habitat, and I'm
sure we're going to hear some of the same -- philosophical argument,
which I understand, from Mrs. Payton today that somehow we should
roll this into the five-year review. But similar to the previous
application, we filed this two years ago. It's taken us a long time to
get here.
Mr. Scofield has been a long-time owner of this property, and I
think he made a decision, you know, early on that he, too, wanted to
see ultimately not only the property preserved, but he wanted to see it
enhanced and restored.
And currently there are agricultural uses on the property. But
that's what his long-term plan is, to move down that road. We do not
want to -- unlike the last petition, there are some differences. Mr.
Taylor's selected to go into the two oh seven cycle because he has
some rather unique issues regarding the timing of the acquisition of
his property. This property is different from that standpoint.
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I think that will conclude my relatively short presentation. Mr.
Scofield has been on the property most of his lifetime. He has a
lifetime of experience he can share with you. I don't know if many of
you had a chance to see this property like the Pepper Ranch, but
10,000 acres, or at least half of it, located in Collier County is a
significant opportunity for future preservation of this property;
however, Mr. Scofield will be happy to answer any questions you may
have.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Questions? Two speakers?
MS. FILSON: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Seeing there are no questions, you
want to call the speakers, please.
MS. FILSON: First speaker is Nancy Payton. She'll be followed
by Dane Scofield.
MS. PAYTON: Nancy Payton representing the Florida Wildlife
Federation, and we ask you not to transmit this Comprehensive Plan
amendment.
This one is a little different. This land, as I understand it, already
has a stewardship easement on it, of which you hold the easement. So
Commissioner Coletta, when you're concerned about things changing,
that change would have to come to the county because you are one of
the holders of that stewardship easement.
This raises some of the concerns that DCA Secretary Pelham has
brought up about the rural lands stewardship in general, that it's being
not dealt with in a comprehensive manner, but individual landowners,
ranchers, tailoring the program to their need.
And not that there shouldn't be incentives to restore land. It's,
once again, this needs to be looked at in the comprehensive picture.
There may be some other open lands that need to be restored, and how
are we going to deal with generating credits for that?
And, again, we need to look at the whole program so we know
how many credits we're generating which, in turn, is how many
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houses and how many towns, villages, and hamlets does that in turn
translate to?
So in order to get a handle, which the five-year review was to do
we've got to know what's out there and what is going to happen from
the 200,000-acre perspective and not have the Half Circle L have their
modification of the program and Pepper Ranch have theirs, and maybe
somebody else do their modification.
These issues and the -- this was on our list of how do you find
incentives to restore farm fields is should -- and is being wrestled with
by the rural lands committee.
And, again, this is one of the issues that can be rolled into the
committee, and the committee can address it, not just from Half Circle
L's perspective, but from everybody out there, all landowners'
perspective, because you can't have landowners having their
individual tweaks on the program or else it's not going to work
properly.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Coletta has a question
of you, if you don't mind.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. You bring up a good
point, Nancy, and I think just the last item that you had you left us
with the uncomfortable feeling that we might be missing something
along the way, so we moved that forward to the '07 cycle, where this
is something you're asking for us to do in this case, too; is that correct?
MS. PAYTON: Well, moving it forward to the '07 cycle, but I'm
failing to make the point that this can be addressed through your rural
land stewardship committee that's going to come forward with
amendments and changes and tweaks to the program, and why not roll
this issue into that comprehensive review so that the committee can
get a handle on all of the lands out there, how all the lands are going to
relate to each other, the number of credits we're dealing with, do we
want to look at some other incentive like agricultural preservation
which has come forward to the committee? We just need to keep this
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as one big plan and not little tweaks for individual landowners who
did something in the program and now want to do something different.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Mr. Weeks?
MR. WEEKS : Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah. Hearing what you are
hearing right now, tell me how this whole scenario of events could
play out. What would be the best way to handle it? Because I can tell
you right now this commission's got concerns over this.
MR. WEEKS: In effect what Mrs. Payton is asking for is a
withdrawal of the petition, so rather than it be dealt with as a private
sector petition, have this property -- both actually that she spoke on --
have these properties evaluated and considered as part of the county
initiated five-year review, and that if through that review process it's
ultimately deemed appropriate to change the designation, then so be it,
as opposed to this -- she didn't use the word, but I guess you would
say a piecemeal approach of one-by-one requests coming before you.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Thank you. May I speak to the
petitioner?
MR. DUANE: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah, okay. You can see where
-- the direction this is going. What are your thoughts on it?
MR. DUANE: As a fundamental issue of fairness here, I'm
going to plead -- perhaps make more of an emotional argument than,
perhaps, is logical of one regarding -- I'm not trying to sidestep your
request.
We've been in the process for two years. If we had any idea that
this would have taken this long -- I mean, it wasn't just the $16,000
application fee. It's the other monies, the other documentation from
the other consultants to back up the petition, the wildlife studies that
were done, the updates to those wildlife studies that were recently
made and brought to our attention, frankly, at the last minute. And
here Mr. Scofield has been marching down this road, and now we're
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asked to enter into a process that, frankly, we can be a participant in,
but we don't necessarily have any control of the process. Is it going to
be next year? Is this going to drag on to the year after?
There are over 200,000 acres. And I'm not trying to minimize
the importance of anyone piece of the puzzle, but there are 200,000
acres. Mr. Taylor's request was to change 194 acres.
We're merely asking for the opportunity to restore these lands
under today's rules, having already placed a conservation easement
over the property. He can't go back and develop this property. This is
the right that he gave up under this particular process, and now to ask
him to go in another process, frankly, is -- I just -- I've made my best
case to you.
I really don't want to leave here with a denial of this amendment
today, but I would have to tell you that if it's the pleasure that we get
pushed into this process -- and Mr. Scofield is going to follow me. He
has every right to be disappointed at the outcome today. And I'll rest
my case. Thank you.
MS. FILSON: The next speaker is Dane Scofield.
MR. SCOFIELD: Commissioners, I thank you for the
opportunity to speak before you today.
When we entered this process, we were operating under the rules
that were currently in place at that time. We had not anticipated the
time frame that it would take for us to come before you with this
petition.
Weare -- as Mrs. Payton has suggested, we are involved with the
review process through the rural lands stewardship. I'm not sure
exactly what will ultimately come out of that review process.
She has mentioned the fact that DCA is trying to direct some of
the potential changes that may occur. We're not sure exactly how that
will dovetail our county program with the state RLS program.
Our family has owned the property for several generations, and it
has always been our intent to preserve this land. And what this
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petition does -- the property is already under, as Mrs. Payton has said,
an SSA. It's already protected. We've already got the early entry
bonus credits for those lands.
We're basically talking about our intensive agriculture operations.
These lands -- what this petition would do is afford us the opportunity
at some point in the future to do restorations and be compensated for
that restoration process.
What is unknown here -- one of the information points that
helped us in determining this course of action is a water quality issue.
As development continues to occur, and if we continue these
drought cycles here in South Florida, water quality is becoming a
major issue in agriculture. And we actually have on our property a
sodium, a salt water intrusion problem that our farmers are dealing
with now, and they're able to currently deal with the program through
low volume drip irrigation systems which preserves and minimizes the
impact to the aquifers; however, if the competition continues for those
water resources here in South Florida -- and they are. They're going to
continue as the numbers of people come to and move into South
Florida -- that competition between agriculture and municipalities for
those water resources will intensify over time.
And if the water quality situation becomes such that we can no
longer affordably pursue agricultural, we would like those
opportunities in -- to do restoration and be compensated for that.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Mr. Scofield, how close --
MR. SCOFIELD: Yes.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: -- is this property that we're
considering today to the flow-way?
MR. SCOFIELD: Well, the flow-way actually goes through our
property on the western boundary. The three sections on the western
boundary, the Okaloacoochee Slough flows through our property.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: The part that we're considering
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today?
MR. SCOFIELD: No, no. These are the lands -- those sections
are protected already --
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Right.
MR. SCOFIELD: -- under H -- FSA status. The top two sections
across the property, actually the top half of those two sections are
under HSA, so these are the lands interior to our property in Collier
County where you see the intensive agricultural uses.
Mr. Duane has another map that's in red that outlines the
requested area for changing status. If you'd actually turn that, rotate it
180 again, Bob. There you go. One more. There you go.
That area in red is interior to our property, and that is the area of
consideration. You see that's the focused agriculture intensive
activities on our property.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Well, the map in our packet, it shows
like it's abutting the flow-way.
MR. SCOFIELD: Well, these lands do. Right there on that
western boundary red line those -- it abuts the FSA status area.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay.
MR. SCOFIELD: Yes, ma'am?
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. Now, Bob Duane mentioned
you have 10,000 acres and half of those acres are in Hendry County?
MR. SCOFIELD: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: The other 5,000 are in Collier
County. Now, this is for a piece of that 5,000 acres?
MR. SCOFIELD: Yes, ma'am. Approximately -- a little over
2,400 acres that were designated open within our Collier property.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: But that isn't part of the Pepper
Ranch?
MR. SCOFIELD: No, ma'am. Not affiliated at all.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I see. Okay. Thank you.
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CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes. A couple of points. You
want to be able to do this so that you have the right to be able to
restore farm lands to native habitat?
MR. SCOFIELD: To an appropriate habitat. Those -- that plan,
that restoration plan would have to be approved through the county --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Right.
MR. SCOFIELD: -- at some point in the future, yes.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. And here's some of the
thoughts I got on this, Commissioners, is the fact we have a -- this
process is long. It's extremely troublesome how long it is, but it's our
fault that it's as long as it is. We try to meet the needs of every entity
out there.
But two years in the making, the rules and regulations that we
had in place while this was going on is what's driven us to this point.
Now we have future plans, we have future regulation coming forward
at some undetermined date, another six months or so from now, that
could possibly influence an outcome that would be different; however,
they have paid the fees, they've been through the process, they lived
by the rules up to this point in time according to the rules and
regulations we put into place. I think it's only fair -- and besides the
fact that we're not talking about intense use of the land. We're talking
about doing something that brings it back in line with nature.
I'd make a recommendation to transmit, but I'd also -- in my
motion, I would like to see something come back from our rural lands
five-year review committee as to how they see this fitting into the
overall picture as a side note for us to consider at the time of adoption.
But I would make a motion for transmittal.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Second.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: There's a motion by Commissioner
Coletta to transmit, second by Commissioner Halas.
Commissioner Coyle?
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COMMISSIONER COYLE: I've heard several people -- or
several statements made during the hearing on this petition as well as
the previous one where it was emphasized, I think, both by staff and
by the petitioners, that you have been pursuing your rights through the
process that we established. I'd like to get a clear understanding of
that.
If -- are we saying to both these petitioners that we're going to
require them to wait until new rules are made before they can get the
changes made, or should they be permitted to use the rules as they
now stand in order to accomplish what they want to do? That remains
confusing to me.
Now, what rights does a property owner have to petition and
make these kinds of changes under our current rules or the rules that
existed over the past two years since these petitions have been in the
process? Okay. Can you--
MR. WEEKS: Commissioners, landowner at any given time,
short of an imposed moratorium, can file an application to amend the
Comprehensive Plan. State law allows amendments twice a year.
You've adopted -- prior board has adopted a resolution for Collier
County saying we will just do these amendments once per year. But
simply put, a landowner has the right to file their application.
What is being discussed as far as deferring these into the
five-year review would make them a part of that, not before it, not
after it but, in fact, a part of it so that ultimately that five-year review
committee is going to recommend some amendments to the RLSA
program, one of which might be the re-designation of this property in
the prior petition so that you might get a bundle of amendments
coming before you to change policies, to change map designations,
one of which could be a re-designation of this property.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: When is the five-year review going
to be completed?
MR. SCHMITT: Commissioner, I can answer that.
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Your -- there's two phases to the five-year review. There's the
technical report, then the more thorough data and analysis and
recommendations of the committee.
The Planning Commission will hear the five-year technical report
on May 1st. You will see that report at the end of May, and that's
nothing more than a report describing everything from number of
credits, credits to conversion, that -- basically the technical report.
The other report you will see later this fall. It is scheduled
actually to terminate March of '09. You may see it -- the committee
coming to you before that with the report.
I think the caution here, and as David has alluded to, there has
been some criticism at the state level of the whole stewardship
program. Collier County was not legally part of that from a standpoint
of the legislation review of the stewardship program, but it was
wrapped up in the report.
And I think as David alluded to, what mayor could happen is
what the petitioner has a right to do now may be changed in some
form or fashion either by amendments or by the state review.
So it does potentially put a petitioner at risk of dealing with new
rules. And frankly, if you look at the timeline, the five-year
committee actually, ifit comes back in Phase 2 and reports, by the
time we review all the recommendations and get them in through
review, it may be a year, year and a half before those actually go
through transmittal and adoption. If you look at another cycle, you're
probably in 2009,2010.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Well, here's my problem. In every
other aspect of our business we operate with the laws as they are now.
MR. SCHMITT: Yes.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay. We have to make a decision
on things as the laws are now. I don't understand how we can just
arbitrarily say, you can't move forward under the laws as they are
now. We're going to make you move forward under laws as they
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might be later this year or next year or the year after that.
And Nancy's going to educate me a little bit here.
MS. PAYTON: Nancy Payton, Florida Wildlife.
I'm just putting your Land Development Code on the visualizer
so you can read it. You also have it, that I handed out in paper, which
does talk about the five-year review, and subsequent to the five-year
review, amendments appropriate.
Also I might add that Secretary Pelham has made statements that
Collier County's rural land stewardship program is not part of the state
rule making effort, and he said that on numerous occasions where
prior to that, we were a unique program and operate under our own
structure. So to reference that things are going to change on the state
level, I disagree with that in terms of its implication to Collier County.
MR. SCHMITT: But Nancy, it was part of the critical review
done by DCA, and Collier County was cited in several portion of that
reVIew.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: After you, Commissioner Coyle,
Commissioner Halas has a question.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay. I just -- I see nothing here,
Nancy, that says that someone cannot come before us before the June,
2008, review and petition to take advantage of the rights under the
RLSA overlay.
Is there something that says you can't make a change or you can't
petition for a change?
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Mr. Weeks?
MR. WEEKS: No, there's not.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay. That's my fundamental
problem with both of these issues, okay? I understand clearly Ms.
Payton's point and I support the point, but what I cannot get over is the
hurdle of denying people the right to do what the law allowed them to
do over the past two years and requiring that they wait until some
future point in time under some future change to law possibly before
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they can petition us on these changes. I have a fundamental problem
with doing that.
And I would -- I would -- I would encourage the board to
consider that either we let both of these petitions proceed and provide
their requests to the review committee to be incorporated into their
review with respect to future changes, and then when -- if these
changes to the plan are approved by the state or recommended for
adoption, we can then make a decision at the adoption hearing as to
what we do.
But to deny them the due process under existing rules, I think, is
fundamentally unfair. I really do. And that doesn't change my
position with respect to spending money on land that's already
protected under Conservation Collier or any of the other things I've
said earlier.
It's just the fact that the rules don't prohibit you from coming in
here and doing something before the five-year review. If it does, tell
me, okay, because right now I don't see it. And if the rules don't
prohibit you from doing something, you've merely been pursuing your
rights and we have been delaying you for two years.
So the very least we should do is give you back $16,000 each.
But if you want to proceed, my recommendation would be to forward
these amendments, both of them, as a matter of fact, unless the
petitioner -- earlier petitioner wants to continue to wait.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Ifwe can deal with this petition, we
can --
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Reconsider.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: I mean, we can reconsider the item.
We haven't adjourned the meeting. But the item on the agenda now is
this particular petition. So if we could dispose of that, I'm sure
nobody would have a problem with a discussion to reconsider.
Commissioner Halas?
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Yes. I look at the Planning
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Commission as a commission that does due diligence, and I look at
staff in regards to them doing due diligence, and since this has been in
the hopper for two years -- and I look at what the Collier County
Planning Commission recommended -- and in both cases they
recommended majority, supermajority, of passing these two items on
to the state.
And I have some real concerns of where we're going because
people can submit building -- or submit for building permits at the
11 th hour to take advantage of the laws that are in hand. And why
can't we do the same thing here, especially since this has been an
ongoing process for two years? And I have a problem with that.
I think that you've done your part. Obviously it takes us a while
to get things through the system. And today you're here, and it's to the
point, well, we're going to deny this, and I think that's totally wrong. I
have to go along with Commissioner Coyle. I have a real problem
with this.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And Commissioner Coletta.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Okay, so--
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commission Coletta, you get -- tried
to get my attention. You have something to say on this petition?
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Excuse me.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: You're not done yet?
COMMISSIONER HALAS: No I'm not done. And my question
is, I believe what you're trying to do here -- you made a statement, and
I think just to clarify a statement that you made is that a lot of these
lands are agricultural and you're running into a problem where you're
getting a lot of salt in the water.
So what you're trying to do is take these lands, hopefully put
them into preserve so that we can use that to recharge the aquifer
system so that maybe we can dilute the amount of salt that's in there,
because with the onslaught of people that are going to be moving here
to Collier County in the future -- whether it will be in our lifetime,
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who knows. But we know that there's going to be that potential build-
out eventually.
And I believe that you're trying to be a good steward in regards to
making sure that we have land set aside to recharge the aquifer system
here, and I commend you. And I think that we should look at this very
seriously, that we're doing something not for today, but for the future.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Should we take a 10-minute break
with the contract with our court reporter at this time?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. And you still want to speak,
and I do too.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, very briefly, Ijust want to
say Commissioner Henning handled the majority of my questions -- or
my statement about procedure, which I'm thankful very much, he
explained very well.
I just totally support Halas and Coyle. They're absolutely on
target. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: We're going to take a 10-minute
break.
MR. SCHMITT: You have a motion on the floor though,
Commissioner.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Yeah.
MR. SCHMITT: Yes, okay.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Yeah, we have a motion and a second
to --
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Transfer.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: -- transfer.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And there's still discussion.
(A brief recess was had.)
MR. SCHMITT: Live mike.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Y es. Yes, my question for Mr.
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Scofield -- Mr. Scofield?
MR. SCOFIELD: Yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Is any of your property being
offered to the county for sale?
MR. SCOFIELD: No, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay, fine. It's only the Pepper
Ranch property, right?
MR. SCOFIELD: Yes, ma'am. Yeah, we're not affiliated. The
only association is we had Hole Montes do some of the engineering
and the presentation of our petition.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: So actually these are two different
petitions entirely?
MR. SCOFIELD: Yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay, fine. I am very satisfied with
my -- with the -- with my decisions on the first and now the second.
Okay, fine. Thank you.
MR. SCOFIELD: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Any further discussion on the
motion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HENNING: All in favor of the motion, signify by
saymg aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Motion carries.
Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes, I would like to bring back
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for reconsideration the vote previous to this one.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: I'll second that.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: So there's a motion and a second to
reconsider the motion on petition 2006-9.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Correct.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Discussion on the motion?
All in favor --
MR. KLATZKOW: You may want to hear the speaker, sir.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Before--
MR. KLATZKOW: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: -- we take the vote? Mr. --
COMMISSIONER COYLE: He might not want it to be
reconsidered.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Mr. Taylor?
MR. T AYLOR: Due to the controversy with Conservation
Collier ongoing effort, my position remains the same. We're happy to
go ahead and delay it the year because that's a whole separate parallel
Issue.
I appreciate the position that the commission was stating earlier
on the subsequent applicant's petition and the right to petition
government for change on any particular piece of land. But because
of the Conservation Collier, I would just ask that we go ahead and
continue the delay until 2007.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: I withdraw my motion.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: I withdraw my second then.
MR. TAYLOR: Thank You.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. There's no more motion.
Do we have further business, Mr. Weeks?
Item #2G
RESOLUTION 2008-127: PETITION CPSP-2006-13 REQUESTING
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AMENDMENTS TO THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT AND
MAPS, RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE ELEMENT (ROSE),
ECONOMIC ELEMENT (EE), FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT
AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND MAP SERIES
(FLUE/FLUM), AND GOLDEN GATE AREA MASTER PLAN
ELEMENT AND GOLDEN GATE AREA MASTER PLAN
FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND MAP SERIES, CHANGE THE
ALLOWANCE FOR MODEL HOMES IN GOLDEN GATE
ESTATES; TO EXTEND TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT
RIGHTS EARLY ENTRY BONUS IN THE RURAL FRINGE
MIXED USE DISTRICT; AND TO MAKE CORRECTIONS OF
OMISSIONS AND ERRORS AND OTHER HOUSECLEANING
REVISIONS TO HARMONIZE AND UPDATE VARIOUS
SECTIONS OF VARIOUS ELEMENTS OF THE GROWTH
MANAGEMENT PLAN - MOTION TO MOVE MODEL HOME
PROVISION TO THE LDC - APPROVED 5/0; MOTION TO
EXTEND TDR EARL Y ENTRY BONUS TO 3 1/2 YEARS -
APPROVED 5/0; MOTION TRANSMITTING REMAINING
PORTION OF CPSP-2006-13 W/LDC REFERENCE
CORRECTION - APPROVED
MR. WEEKS: Yes, sir. Your final petition is petition number
CPSP-2006-13, a staff petition requesting amendments to the Future
Land Use Element and Future Land Use Map and Map Series, capital
improvement element, transportation element and maps, recreation
and open space element, economic element, and Golden Gate Area
MasterPlan Element and Future Land Use Map Series, to change the
allowance from model homes in Golden Gate Estates, to extend the
transfer of development rights early entry bonus in the rural fringe
mixed-use district, and to make corrections of omissions and errors
and other housecleaning revisions so as to harmonize and update
various sections of the Growth Management Plan.
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Commissioners, you might recall specifically on two different
dates this commission gave staff some direction to pursue
amendments to the Growth Management Plan. One of those pertains
to the model homes and how they are treated in the Golden Gate
Master Plan within Golden Gate Estates and, secondly, direction
pertaining to the early entry TDR, transfer of development rights,
bonus program in the rural fringe area.
The other amendments which staff sought and received your
direction to pursue are what I would characterize as housecleaning.
They're very minor in detail, and if you've looked through your
amendments, I think you would agree.
The Planning Commission's recommendation was to support the
amendments proposed by staff with two exceptions, and they're --
both of those specific items to which this board gave direction.
Number one, pertaining to model homes. The staff proposal is
that with the exception of model homes abutting Collier Boulevard,
model homes would have a five-year time limit; three years as a trans
-- temporary use permit, two years as a conditional use, and then that's
it. That model home has to cease being a model home in perpetuity.
It's gone.
Planning Commission endorsed that recommendation. They
differed with staff along the Collier Boulevard corridor. What staff
had recommended was after that initial five-year period, a conditional
use could be granted without limitation of time, that is, a model home
abutting Collier Boulevard could be granted and remain in effect with
unlimited duration.
Planning Commission's recommendation is that after that initial
five-year period, each conditional use could be granted for no more
than five years but with an unlimited number of subsequent
conditional uses on the property. So there could be an approval for up
to five years, and at the end of that time period, another approval
could be sought for up to five years, on and on and on.
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Secondly, pertaining to the early entry TDR bonus, a public -- or
a request came before this commission by Mr. Bob Mulhere of R W A
asking for the early entry bonus to be extended by five years, and this
board gave staff the direction to pursue that.
The Planning Commission's recommendation, rather than a
five-year extension, was only for two years, and their rationale was
that if the purpose for the amendment is to account for the economic
slowdown that we're presently enduring and if we don't anticipate that
is going to last for a full five years, then why would we grant the
extension for five years?
If we think the economic slowdown is more like a couple years,
then let's make a corresponding early entry bonus extension for that
same couple years. So that was their recommendation.
For model homes it was a 6-0 vote, and for the early entry
extension, it was by vote of 5-1.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioners?
MR. WEEKS: Commissioners, one last point if I may. Those
are the two highlights. You'll also notice in the executive summary
carrying on from page 9 and page 10, this is one other very minor
housecleaning matter that staff noticed that we did not present to the
Planning Commission, so it's new, and that is simply correcting an
LDC reference. That same correction is made in other places, but we
failed to catch it in time to present to the Planning Commission. But
those two subsequent issues are pertaining to model homes and the
early entry bonus.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: And that's a -- the four units per acre
in the urban fringe sub-district? You said page 9 and 10. I just
wanted to make sure that we clarify the issue.
MR. WEEKS: I'm sorry. The bottom of page 9 and 10, I was
drawing attention to the Land Development Code referenced
correction.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Oh, I see.
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MR. WEEKS: The actual change is shown on page 10.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay.
MR. WEEKS: And page 9 under the CCPC recommendation is
the explanation I was walking through regarding the other two
changes.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes, Chairman Henning, if it's
possible, rather than have the conversation blending back and forth
between these different items, if we could start off with the -- having
to do with the model homes and then get into the early entry so that
we don't get to the point where the confusion gets where we can't
operate.
And if I may address model homes first and for beginning the
discussion, I don't think we can do enough to be able to preserve the
integrity of our homebuilders out there. There has never been a
complaint that I've received regarding a model home on Collier
Boulevard, on Golden Gate Boulevard. There just hasn't been
complaints.
They've been good neighbors, and I think that the market should
determine how long they could stay rather than having to come before
this commission on a regular basis.
So I'm looking for the maximum amount of time possible to be
able to allow them to maximize the resource. And then every time --
then we can address the situation as it's necessary.
So I would be looking for the five years in -- starting from day
one going five years, not an additional two years or whatever. I would
very much like to see that. I'm curious to what my fellow
commissioners feel about that.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: So you feel that you support staffs
position on the model home.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: That's correct, Commissioner
Henning.
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CHAIRMAN HENNING: And comments on that?
Commissioner Coyle?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Yeah. I would just like to make
some comments in support of that position.
It seems to me that the model home -- the life of the model home
is determined by the developer's ability to continue to build homes.
As long as the builder is building homes, he's going to need model
homes.
So I agree that we should provide them a fairly long period of use
but reserve the right that it can be terminated if they come into
violation or if they have excessive complaints, and we might provide
some termination period, specify that we can terminate them with 90
days or 180 days advance notice if we judge the offenses to be
sufficient to terminate. And that saves us all a little trouble, I think.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: I think you could put that in the
resolution or the conditional use.
Mr. Klatzkow, is that a condition?
MR. KLATZKOW: I think we're starting to get very technical
about our compo plan. I guess the question I have for you is, do you --
my understanding was staffs position is they wanted to take out the
limitation, just allow these model homes as a permitted use more than
anything else. Now I'm hearing that we want to continue them as a
conditional use but change the conditions?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Why does is it have to be in the
GMP anyway?
MR. KLA TZKOW: Because there's a prohibition. The
conditional use is part of the GMP for the Golden -- for the Estates.
MR. WEEKS: Commissioners, this goes back to the original
adoption of the Golden Gate Master Plan in 1991. To answer the
question directly, it doesn't have to be here. You can certainly
completely strike this provision and let model homes be treated in
Golden Gate Estates the way they are in every other designation on
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your future land use map, and that is the Land Development Code
controls completely.
The Land Development Code has no time limitation established
other than a temporary use permit for model homes for a maximum of
three years. After that it requires a conditional use but with no time
limitations, which means on a case-by-case basis, this commission, in
granting the conditional use for a model home, can impose whatever
time limitation you so choose. But in the code itself, there is none. So
absent your specific action to impose a time limit, the model home is
approved forever.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: My preference is to have as little in
the Growth Management Plan as possible because it's too hard to deal
with when we have to adjust it. I would rather have that dealt with
otherwise.
And ifthere's a way to do that and accomplish our objectives and
the objectives of the builders who need model homes, I would like to
do that. I just don't like cluttering up our Growth Management Plan
with all this stuff if we don't have to.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Mr. Weeks, could that be
accomplished in this amendment?
MR. WEEKS: Certainly.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. Commission Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: I'm -- could we do this? Can we
make separate motions for each one of these things rather than one
motion altogether?
MR. WEEKS: Yes, sir. The Planning Commission did that as
well, certainly.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. If that was a motion,
Commissioner Coyle, I'd be happy to second it.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Nick has something he wants to tell
us. Hopefully he has some words of wisdom.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: I don't know if they're words of
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wisdom. A little late to the party, I guess.
The only issue I have with model homes, we don't like to treat
them as zoning applications and do TISs. I mean, they're a simple
analysis.
We get claims for business damages all the time for model homes
when we expand the right of way. They're typically on arterials or
collectors that are about to be expanded. Collier Boulevard's a perfect
example. And I know you can notice one on White Boulevard at Pine
Ridge at that intersection.
The issue I have with model homes is, if you treat them as a
commercial enterprise and when we go to widen those facilities --
they're meant to be, in the end, just a single-family home. And when
we're dealing with them, we're dealing with all sorts of damages for
businesses regarding their use at the time we expand the facility.
So I don't know ifthere's any way to have any consideration in
this process that if they want to be a model home, they need to work
with the county on these roadway expansions.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Well, I think that in that respect
you have to have some time limitation on them specifically to protect
you under those circumstances --
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: -- when you want to widen the
road. If they're limited to five years, we can grant them another
five-year extension if we don't have any plans for widening the road.
But you've got to let us know in advance whether or not there's a plan
to widen the road. Then we would have to say to the model home
person, you -- well, okay, we'll give you an extension until such time
as we have to begin widening this road. That will remove that
particular problem; will it not?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: It could. I'm concerned that a blanket
extension indefinitely for a model home puts us in a situation where --
COMMISSIONER COYLE: That's right. It becomes an
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ongoing business then, and you get all sorts of claims for business
interruption and that sort of stuff.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: And I have to accommodate that
access as a business and --
COMMISSIONER COYLE: But if you have -- if you don't -- if
you do not permit it in perpetuity, you can solve that problem by just
saying, you can have it for five years and it's automatically renewable
for five additional years unless the Board of County Commissioners
judges otherwise.
MR. KLATZKOW: Well, we can do that in the LDC. We don't
need a compo plan.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: That's right. And that's exactly
why I don't think it should be in the compo plan.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Or if it's recognized as a future
single-family home, it could be dealt with accordingly as such.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: That's correct, yeah.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Okay. That's my only comment.
Thank you.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: So I would --let's talk about--
well, we'll have to have it come back to us anyway. I think the
decision we have to make is whether we put it in the GMP or the Land
Development Code. My preference is in the Land Development Code,
and that would be my motion, is to move that provision to the Land
Development Code, then the staff comes back with the Land
Development Code and see if it meets the board's -- the board's
desires, and then we can debate and change it at that point in time.
We don't have to do that today.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: For the sake of discussion, I'm
going to second that, but I'd like to hear from the county attorney. He
seemed a little perplexed by our discussion.
MR. KLA TZKOW: No. My understanding is that you want to
remove this prohibition from the compo plan and put whatever
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prohibition you want in the Land Development Code, which is much
easier to change.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay.
MR. KLATZKOW: And I think that's fine if that's what you
want to do.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. Just a clarification for the
motion and the -- and staff understands of the motion.
Conditional use model homes are different in the Golden Gate
Master Plan, even locational criteria within the majority of northern
Golden Gate Estates, that being that it must be located adjacent and
abutting a future activity center. Correct?
MR. WEEKS: There are just a few locational -- locations for
which a conditional use would qualify. What you're referring to is the
transitional conditional use where a property has to be abutting a
neighborhood center or the site could be within a neighborhood center
or could be abutting certain non-residential uses such as a fire station
or some type of commercial development, but it is very limited.
This existing language allows the model homes to be located
anywhere within Golden Gate Estates that is not subject to the
locational criteria, but it contains a limitation on the duration. That's
what's being proposed here.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: I see.
MR. WEEKS: And so what the commission is discussing is
completely removing any locational criteria so that the model homes
can be anywhere and without any time limitation. That's what I
understand the motion to be.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Subject to the LDC requirements
which you will bring back to us for approval and we might wish to
change those.
MR. WEEKS: Okay.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: And can we be specific and have
them in Golden Gate different than we have them in someplace else in
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our Land Development Code?
MR. WEEKS: Okay.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: See? So if you have specific
requirements in Golden Gate, we can deal with it in the Land
Development Code.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Right.
MR. WEEKS: And if I may, Commissioners, on that point, and
that's the clarification I wanted to ask about was, what is the direction
of the board regarding a Land Development Code amendment? Did
you want to give staff some specific direction as to locational -- or
excuse me -- time limitation within the Estates? We simply need to
know what to prepare to bring to you.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: I would like to see our arterial--
improve arterial roadways. That way you would address some ofMr.
Casalanguida's concerns. Randall Boulevard is, I think, designated as
an arterial roadway, but it hasn't been improved yet.
Is that correct, Nick?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes.
MR. WEEKS: I believe it's a collector.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: It's on the long range plan as a six-lane
utility, so it will be arterial.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: It will be an arterial-- it's not an
arterial right now?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Not today, as a two-lane facility, but
it's slated to be an arterial.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: But Golden Gate Boulevard is a--
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Arterial.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: -- arterial from DeSoto Boulevard to
951?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Or right now it functions as a collector
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as a two-lane, but it's scheduled to be an arterial in the long range.
Both of those would be six-lane facilities.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Well, if you deal with it as a six-lane
arterial, then it addresses the concern about the acquisition of the
property .
MR. CASALANGUIDA: If you're looking at a future model
home, we would look at it that way.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Coyle?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: In could just amplify on that a
little bit. One of the problems I think we would have if we tried to
identify only improved arterials as the area permitted for model homes
is that we would immediately eliminate the current locations of some
that exist now, and that would be difficult, I think, for some of those
people to move.
I believe the best way to deal with that is, perhaps, if you want to
protect against a situation that Nick has described, is provide a longer
period of approval on improved arterials because we know we're not
going to expand those for a long, long time, and a shorter period of
approval for those on roads where we are going to expand them. That
way if we're going to widen them, we have to buy right-of-way. We
will not approve an extension of that model home beyond the point
where we need the right-of-way, okay, and then that solves that
particular problem for you, I think.
So we might -- it's going to require the staff to do a little
homework about what roads are we going to want to buy additional
right-of-way on and which ones are we not going to be buying
additional right-of-way on, and maybe have different criteria for the
period that a model home can remain on those locations.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Fine.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: I mean, I think you know what
we're getting at, right, David? You understand what we're talking
about?
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MR. WEEKS: I believe so. Commissioner, what I was
envisioning as I hear you discuss this, is rather than trying to craft an
LDC amendment that identifies specifically the locations, that is
specific roadways, instead have general text that provides that a model
home in Golden -- I think you're limiting it in Golden Gate Estates,
perhaps not, but that's my understanding -- that in Golden Gate
Estates, part of the evaluation criteria would be whether or not the site
is located on a roadway that might require future widening. That
opens the door for you to then impose a time limitation on that
conditional use.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Yeah. And I can't answer the issue
about whether or not it should apply just to Golden Gate. I know that
Commissioner Henning has some specific issues there. I would just
like to make sure that we don't have a model home at the intersection
of Airport Road and Golden Gate Parkway, as an example.
MR. WEEKS: Sure.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay. We should have some
logical criteria. I think activity centers and other kinds of things are
appropriate. But you have some criteria now. I think maybe we
should bring those criteria forward. You modify the criteria, perhaps,
for Golden Gate or other areas based upon the commissioner's specific
concerns, and then we kick it around.
MR. WEEKS: Commissioner, one thing I'd point out, and it
might be appropriate that you limit this to Golden Gate Estates,
because it's unique. Most subdivisions, of course, are much smaller in
nature. Their build-out time period is much shorter. So just as a
natural occurrence, the model home is relatively short duration.
Golden Gate Estates, of course, being a massive subdivision, has
a build-out of a period of decades. That's why the model homes, some
of them have been there many years and would expect to be there
many years more.
You know, I think that's -- I think Golden Gate Estates is a
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unique circumstance because of its size, that the model homes
theoretically could be there for many, many years, far more than your
typical subdivision, and that's why your regulations might -- you
might want to adjust, limit it, as the master plan does today, have the
Land Development Code be specific to that subdivision.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay. I'd be happy with that.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Halas?
COMMISSIONER HALAS: I have some concern because
somebody could find a high traffic area which may not be conducive
to being out in Golden Gate Estates but have a high traffic area where
he could have a model home even though he would build the homes
out in Golden Gate.
So I think it -- just to make sure that we cover all bases for the
future, maybe it should be directed as such, however, they -- you
formulate it for Golden Gate, I think it should be the same throughout
the county, just to make sure that we cover all our bases.
MR. SCHMITT: Your zoning would prohibit a lot of areas.
What David's referring to is basically the Estates zoning allows for
single- family homes. This is more conducive to the Estates; other
areas, zoning prohibits it. And as David alluded to, in most planned
unit developments, model homes have a limited lifetime and they're
dealt with separately in the PUD and they're dealt with through the
planning process.
So this -- if we write this language, I think it can be very easily
tailored for Estate lots, and put the language in the LDC. And what I
heard you propose is to strike this entire paragraph from the GMP.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: What I'm saying, I guess, is that,
let's say somebody buys a piece of land, says it's residential but says,
I'm going to put a model home here, and it may not even be involved
with the Golden Gate Estates. It could be just a plot of land that's
outside of the Golden Gate Estates overlay and still put a model home
up because it's a high traffic area. I'm just using that as a hypothetical
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case.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: We're dealing with Golden Gate
Estates in this LDC amendment. Any -- I think we have a public
speaker on this item.
MS. FILSON : Yes, sir. I have one public speaker. You want
the other issue? Okay.
MR. YOV ANOVICH: On the TDRs.
MS. FILSON: He's going to wait until you take your next
motion.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Any further?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Hearing none, all in favor of the
motion, signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Opposed?
(No response.)
RESOLUTION: 2008-127: PETITION CPSP-2006-13 - ADOPTED
CHAIRMAN HENNING: The next issue is the TDR.
Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes. I -- I think we're not being
fair to the people out there that have invested their time and their land
in a program that we told them we would stand by and make it work.
Economic conditions being what they are, and we don't know if
they're going to last two years, three years, or five years, but I think
we have to make this early entry program available for a maximum of
five years -- no, not a maximum, for five years additional so that
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there's enough time for the whole system to recover and the property
__ the property rights of these people are assured, just to be brief.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. Any other discussion on the
TDR? Commissioner Coyle?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Yeah. I would suggest to you that
the CCP (sic) is absolutely right here. We don't know how long the
economic downturn is going to be, so why not make the extension
coincident with the period of the economic downturn, so make it a
shorter period of time but we can extend it so that if the economic
downturn is -- doesn't last as long as we thought it would, then the
extension for the early entry won't last as long as it -- as it had
originally been proposed.
So what I would suggest is that we take the CCPC's
recommendations on this one.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Mr. Y ovanovich?
MR. YOV ANOVICH: Good morning. For the record, Rich
Y ovanovich. I was working with Mr. Mulhere when he did the public
petition.
The economic downturn has probably been going on for at least
two years already and probably will be going on for a while longer, so
we've already lost two years of the three-year period already. So
you're already only giving us back two years that we've already lost,
and there'll probably be another couple of years of this downturn
before developers who will be buying these TDRs will actually need
them.
I represent Six L's. Six L's is designated as a receiving area.
They're probably one of the primary potential buyers of these TDRs.
They can't -- they simply can't afford to buy the TDRs right now, hold
them, and hope that the market's going to go ahead and turn around. It
takes a while to do all this, get their development plans going.
The five-year period will give them enough time to move
forward with their plans, acquire the TDRs, and hopefully in five
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years we'll be -- we'll be back to a normal rate of growth and we'll be
in a positive upswing.
So that's -- they're already concerned that they've lost two years
of the three-year period because of bad economic times. We expect
probably another two to three years to catch back up. And that was
the rationale for the five-year period.
Right now you don't see a whole lot of activity in people either
buying TDR lands or people severing the TDRs. It's an un -- it's an
untested market. If you own sending lands, you would be -- looking
for the right word -- you would probably be foolish to go forward right
now and sever the TDRs with the hope that there's going to be a
market for those TDRs in the future.
So what are they going to do? They're going to sit there. They're
going to hold onto the sending lands, and if the market is not
equivalent for the value of the TDRs, they're going to go ahead and
build on those lands because that was the whole reason of trying to
provide an incentive for people to put this into sending land in the first
place.
So we're requesting, based upon the couple of years of
downtimes that we already had, the expectation that there will be a
year or two more, plus the time frame it takes to go ahead and go
through the development process, that we be given the five years as
originally requested to the Board of County Commissioners and
originally directed to the BCC.
As you know, it's difficult to change your compo plan. This was
actually quite -- kind of rushed because the three years caught up to us
pretty quickly. You know, two years will be here before you know it,
and we'll probably be saying, please give us the three years anyway.
So we're requesting the full five years at this time. I don't think it
hurts anybody to give someone who owns sending lands that much
longer to find someone to want to buy their lands to take advantage of
that early entry bonus anyway, so that's our request.
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CHAIRMAN HENNING: Discussion? Direction? Motion?
Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: I'm sorry. Am I interrupting
something? Yeah, motion to extend for five years.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Motion to extend five years by
Commissioner Coletta, second by Commissioner Fiala.
Is there any possibility of splitting the baby and do it three and a
half years or four years?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: I'd go three.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: I completely agree with the Planning
Commission's analysis on that.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Yeah. You can always extend it
another three if the economic conditions haven't improved.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Mr. Weeks?
MR. WEEKS: I'd just make one comment, Commissioners, and
that's that -- to remind the commission of discussion that you had back
around 2005, I believe it was, when you were -- when you approved
the addition of some -- of some bonuses. You added this early entry
bonus, you added the restoration and maintenance and the conveyance
bonuses, and that was because after the initial adoption of the rural
fringe amendments that included the TDR program, it was absolutely
dormant. Nothing happened, and you had persons coming before you
saying, the reason is, the bonuses are not adequate. There's not
enough compensation.
And when you approved those bonuses, you said that you did not
want to touch the program. You wanted to leave it alone and let it
work. The concern was that the message going out to the public was,
just sit a little bit longer, the county will amend these again.
And of course, we're here today, but then circumstances are
different, too. We've gone through an economic slowdown that, of
course, no one anticipated that many years ago.
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My only word of caution is that maybe it's better to go for the full
five-year period and hopefully be done with it as opposed to a
shorter-term amendment and then be coming back again for a later
amendment. It's just that point of, what message does it send.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Coyle?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Yeah. I think the message it sends
is that if you extend it for five years now, you'll extend it for five years
again later on. If you keep extending it, you keep people -- people
will hold onto them until the very, very last -- it's just like a stock. If
the stock is going up and you think it's going to continue going up,
you don't want to sell it. It's only when it finally hits its peak and
you're convinced it's not going any higher that you're going to sell it.
And the same thing is true of the TDRs.
Now, the fact of the matter is that there hasn't been as much
demand for TDRs as we thought, is primarily because the people who
are building are taking the TDRs off their own land. They're not
going out and buying it from somebody else, and that's going to
continue to happen until they run out.
So I think that if we -- if we keep doing this, then people will just
hold onto it and nothing much will happen. Even when economic
conditions improve, there might not be of much of a market for that.
And so I just don't know that we need to jump into a five-year
extension initially. Let's -- you know, let's go with three or three and a
half or something of that nature, and then we can always reassess it.
But at some point in time we're going to have to drive the stake in the
ground, say, this is it, folks, you know.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes. And believe me, when it
comes down to it, if I have to negotiate something less than five, I'm
going to do it, but I just want to remind you that the whole program
was set up so that we didn't have to lean upon the taxpayers to buy
these lands like we're doing with Conservation Collier.
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This is something where it's a voluntary program that people had
agreed to get involved with in the beginning, then we came -- well, we
made it mandatory. But the whole thing was is, where's the value of
their land? It's all in TDRs. It's tied up.
They've got sending lands that have no other value. We told
them we would compensate their -- with the fact that they'll get a
value for the TDRs at whatever point in time that market does, and we
made it a free market item. Market's not there.
So to try to diminish the number of years with the idea we're
going to force them to do something, I don't know where we're being
fair with that. Don't these people have some sort of rights to be able to
retain the value? Are we going to take those rights away from them?
That's my concern. That's why I'm aiming for five years. However, if
it would make you comfortable, I'll change my motion to four years.
Do you think you could live with that, Commissioner Coyle?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: I can live with three.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Four years. Come on, now. Be
a sport.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: We'll split the difference, three and
a half.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. Three and a half, you got
it. That's my motion.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: And does the second recognize that
three-year --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: -- commitment -- three and a half?
How many years?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Three and three quarters.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Three and three quarters.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That wasn't split, by the way. Three
to five should have been four.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Coletta, can you
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explain again your analysis about the Conservation Collier and the
sending lands?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, yeah. Thank you for the
opportunity, Chairman Henning.
It's very simple. Conservation Collier is buying the land at an
appraised value. Whatever that appraised value is, whatever the uses
that have been permitted on that land, they go ahead and they set the
price, and the taxpayers of Collier County, through two referendums,
have agreed to pay that money; however, we're talking about lands
that far exceed that ability in the rural fringe and the rural lands to be
able to handle that.
So in order to be able to get to where we needed to be, we came
up with a program that didn't involve taxpayers' money. It involved
giving certain people in the sending lands rights to be able to be
transferred to the receiving lands.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Right.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: So this took the taxpayer out of
the equation and made -- gave them an ability to be able to get a
product in the end without having to put any money forward.
Meanwhile, the landowners in the sending lands have put their land
and life on the lines trusting us to be able to assure that they'll have
liquidity down the road.
Thank you for that opportunity.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Yeah. I think that was Commissioner
Coyle's point, exactly what you said. Why should we buy it if it's
already in preserves?
Commissioner Halas?
COMMISSIONER HALAS: I have a question for staff here. On
page 12 of the staff report, 2006-13, and it's page 12.
It says, early entry TDR bonus sending lands. Early entry TDR
bonus. The early entry TDR bonus shall be available in the form of an
additional TDR credit for each TDR credit severed from the sending
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lands from March 5, 2004, onward for a period, and then it says three
years, which is crossed out to eight years after the adoption of the
LDC amendment implementing this provision or until September 27,
2013.
Can you explain what you were trying to get across here then?
MR. WEEKS: Commissioners, this was the -- the staff report
reflects the original commission direction, which was to extend the
program by five years. The Planning Commission did not endorse
that. The resolution in your packet has a different time period and
date because it reflect --
COMMISSIONER HALAS: And this says eight years in it.
MR. WEEKS: Correct. So this is the original version. The
Planning Commission's recommendation is reflected in the resolution
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Okay.
MR. WEEKS: -- which in -- okay.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: All right, thank you.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: There's a motion on the floor by
Commissioner Coletta, second by Commissioner Halas (sic) to extend
the program for another three (sic) years additional.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: I think it was --
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Three and a half.
MS. FILSON: Commissioner Fiala made the second.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Commissioner Fiala seconded it, I
believe.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Three and a half.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And I was the second.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: And you were the second.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Pretty close. We look a lot alike.
MR. SCHMITT: That would be to March of2012.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: March, 2 -- I apologize. I thought the
motion was over here.
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All in favor of the motion, signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Motion carries.
Entertain a motion to adopt the balance of 2006-13.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Motion to approve.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: There's a motion to approve by
Commissioner Halas, second by Commissioner Fiala.
Mr. Weeks?
MR. WEEKS: And would that please be with the one addition
by staff, that one LDC correction?
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Is that a --
COMMISSIONER HALAS: That's in the motion, yes.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: -- part of your motion? Is that a part
of your second?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes.
MR. KLATZKOW: And for clarification, motion was to
transmit?
CHAIRMAN HENNING: To transmit? Did I say adopt? I did
say adopt. I apologize for that.
Any further discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HENNING: All in favor of the motion, signify by
saymg aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
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CHAIRMAN HENNING: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Carries unanimously.
Mr. Weeks, any more dis --
MR. WEEKS: That's it.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: -- guidance? That's it.
Mr. Schmitt, do you have anything?
MR. SCHMITT: That's it.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Any board members? Entertain--
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Motion to adjourn.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: -- a motion to adjourn. Motion by
Commissioner Coyle, second by --
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Second.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: -- Commissioner Halas.
All in favor of the motion, signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: We're adjourned.
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There being no further business for the good of the County, the
meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 11 :31 a.m.
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