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CEB Minutes 11/21/2025 (draft)November 21, 2025 Page 1 TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE COLLIER COUNTY CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD Naples, Florida, November 21, 2025 LET IT BE REMEMBERED that the Collier County Code Enforcement Board, in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on this date at 9:00 a.m., in REGULAR SESSION in Building "F" of the Government Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the following members present: CHAIRMAN: Robert Kaufman Vice Chair: John Fuentes, Tarik N. Ayasun Ronald J. Doino, Jr Kathleen Elrod Lee Rubenstein ALSO PRESENT: Tom Iandimarino, Code Enforcement Director Helen Buchillon, Code Enforcement Jeff Letourneau, Manager of Investigations Kevin Noell, Attorney to the Board November 21, 2025 Page 2 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning. I'd like to call Code Enforcement Board to order. Why is everybody sitting over here and only a few people on that side? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: The bride and the groom. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Those must be the expensive seats. We're going to start with the notice. Respondents may be limited to 20 minutes for case presentation unless additional time is granted by the Board. Persons wishing to speak on any agenda item will receive up to five minutes unless the time is adjusted by the Chairman. All parties participating in the public hearing are asked to observe Robert's Rules of Order and speak one at time so that the court reporter can record all statements being made. Any person who decides to appeal a decision of this board will need a record of the proceedings pertaining thereto and, therefore, may need to ensure that a verbatim record of the proceedings is made, which record includes the testimony and evidence upon which the appeal is to be based. Neither Collier County nor the Code Enforcement Board shall be responsible for providing this record. Now if you'll all rise for the Pledge. (The Pledge of Allegiance was recited in unison.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. The minutes have been sent out. Anybody have any changes to the minutes? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Hearing none, get a motion from the Board to approve the minutes. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: I'll make a motion to approve the minutes. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Motion and a second. All those in November 21, 2025 Page 3 favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Which brings us to roll call. MS. BUCHILLON: Yes, sir. Good morning. For the record, Helen Buchillon, Code Enforcement. Mr. Robert Kaufman? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Here. MS. BUCHILLON: Ms. Kathleen Elrod? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Here. MS. BUCHILLON: Mr. John Fuentes? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Here. MS. BUCHILLON: Mr. Lee Rubenstein? BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Here. MS. BUCHILLON: Mr. Tarik Ayasun? BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Here. MS. BUCHILLON: And Mr. Ronald Doino? BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Here. MS. BUCHILLON: Everybody's here. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And now my favorite part of the meeting, the changes to the agenda. MS. BUCHILLON: Yes, sir. As of now, we only have two stipulations. Under public hearings, hearings, No. 4, CESD20240002185, Azteca Supermarket 2000, Inc. November 21, 2025 Page 4 Number 11, CESD20230000123, Yohenis Martinez. Number 12, CEAU20230000125, Yohenis Martinez. And, No. 13, CESD20240010501, Bayshore Tomorrow, LLC. Those are all the stipulations for now. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MS. BUCHILLON: You're getting copies of those. She's going to give them to you now. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Do we have any that are canceled? MS. BUCHILLON: Yes, sir. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Withdrawn. MS. BUCHILLON: Under public hearings, hearings, No. 2, CESD20240011372, Faro International Group, LLC, has been withdrawn. Number 10, CESD20240006496, Chad M. Kappes and Nicole A. Kappes, has been withdrawn. I think that's about it. Those are all the changes for now. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We'll be here till 4 o'clock. Okay. Can I get a motion from the Board to accept the modified agenda? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: I'll make a motion to accept. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: (No verbal response.) BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) November 21, 2025 Page 5 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Okay. Which order would you like to go in, Helen? MS. BUCHILLON: Sorry, I have a couple of attorneys. Would you like to do the attorneys and then the continuance that we have and then stipulations? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Sure. MS. BUCHILLON: Okay. The first case with attorney, it's actually a stipulation. Number 13, CESD20240010501, Bayshore Tomorrow, LLC. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. WOODWARD: I do. MS. PULSE: I do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning, Counselor. Could you state your name on the mic for us, please. MR. WOODWARD: Cameron Woodward from Woodward, Pires, Lombardo, on behalf of the respondent. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MS. PULSE: Dee Pulse -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Dee. MS. PULSE: -- Collier County Code Enforcement. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Your case, Dee. MS. PULSE: Okay. All right. Therefore, it is agreed between the parties that the parties shall, No. 1, pay operational costs in the amount of $59.28 incurred in the prosecution of this case within 30 days of this hearing; Number 2, abate all violations by obtaining all required Collier County building permits, site plans, or demolition permits, inspections, and certificate of completion/occupancy for unpermitted improvements/alterations consisting of but not limited to pavers November 21, 2025 Page 6 installed outside around building, a canopy installed at doors, a wooden stairway leading to a floating dock, change of exterior doors, new propane tanks, interior improvements, mezzanine with attached stairway, bathrooms, separate office spaces, electric, and plumbing within 120 days of this hearing, or a fine of $200 per day will be imposed until the violation is abated; Number 3, the respondent must notify Code Enforcement within 24 hours of abatement of the violation and request the investigator perform a site inspection to confirm compliance; that if -- Number 4, that if the respondent fails to abate the violation, the County may abate the violation using any method to bring the violation into compliance and may use the assistance of the Collier County Sheriff's Office to enforce the provisions of this agreement, and all costs of abatement shall be assessed to the property owner. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Counselor, 120 days sufficient time to get everything done? MR. WOODWARD: I don't know if it's sufficient to get everything done, but it's certainly sufficient to discover what length of time would be required, so -- and that is why we agreed to it. So we'll make a diligent effort to get everything accomplished in that time frame, but if -- in the event we can't and we have to come back before the Board for an extension, we'll at least have a firmer understanding of what time frame would actually be required. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: I'll make a motion to accept the stipulation as written. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And a second. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. November 21, 2025 Page 7 BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Thank you, Counselor. MS. BUCHILLON: Mr. Woodward, you can stay there. We're going to do the next case. He has another case but it's not a stipulation, so we're going to hear it. Number 14, CEOCC202500003218, Bayshore Tomorrow, LLC. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning, Stephanie. MS. GUTTUM: Good morning. Good morning. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MS. GUTTUM: I do. MR. WOODWARD: I do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Steph, your turn. MS. GUTTUM: Good morning. For the record, Stephanie Guttum, Collier County Code Enforcement. This case is in reference to Case No. CEOCC20250002318. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: 3218. MS. GUTTUM: 3218, I apologize -- dealing with the violation of Collier County Code of Laws and Ordinances, Chapter 126, Article IV, Section 126-111(b). Business needs an approved parking matrix, zoning certificate, and business tax receipt for additional location located at 3270 Bayshore Drive, Folio 48171360000. Service was given on July 1st, 2025, with the notice of violation November 21, 2025 Page 8 being posted on site and at the courthouse. In addition, the notice was mailed both regular and certified mail to the property owner and registered agent. I was on site on March 24th, 2025, and observed On the Pontoon Boat, LLC, operating in the canal between 3270 -- or behind 3270 Bayshore Drive and spoke to both the business owner, Garret Farlander, and the property owner's assistant, Lisandra Duert (phonetic), regarding the initial complaint on pontoons blocking the canal. Further research revealed On the Pontoon Boat, LLC, does not have an active BTR, business tax receipt, at this location. As a result, I requested a determination from Zoning to confirm the business was able to operate out of this location. It was determined that a separate parking matrix and zoning certificate are required for this location. On the Pontoon Boat, LLC, will not be able to get a business tax receipt without having an approved zoning certificate. Zoning Certificate PL20250005166 for the parking matrix was entered into the system on April 30th, 2025. The status is incomplete, open for uploads. There was an insubmittal [sic] letter that states, "Application is pending, satisfaction of Code Case CESD20240010501," which was the case that you previously heard with Investigator Pulse. As of today, no corrective action has been taken to resolve this case or the previous case. I would like to present case evidence in the following exhibits: Determination email from the Zoning department dated March 26th, 2025, stating the requirement of a parking matrix and zoning certificate; four photos taken by myself on March 24th, 2025; and three photos taken by myself yesterday. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Has the respondent seen the photos? November 21, 2025 Page 9 MR. WOODWARD: Yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Do you have any objection? MR. WOODWARD: I do not. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Can we get a mo -- BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Make a motion to accept the photos. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion and a second to accept the photos in the stip [sic]. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Okay. MS. GUTTUM: Here's the entrance sign, and this is the location it's behind the laundromat business. This is where you check in to receive your pontoon boat, the dock that's being used. This was my reinspection yesterday. It shows that the business is still in operation, and I did witness three pontoon boats yesterday. I apologize. I can't get this one to open. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Jeff will help you. MR. LETOURNEAU: I will? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Surprise. MR. LETOURNEAU: Move along, and I'll bring it up. MS. GUTTUM: Will you? Okay. I have a recommendation. November 21, 2025 Page 10 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Hold on. We let the respondent go first and then -- MS. GUTTUM: Okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And then we'll come -- then we'll come back to -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Determine a violation. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- to see if there's a violation, and if there is, then we'll ask for your suggestion. Sir? MR. WOODWARD: So my client recognizes that there is an issue. We are in -- we are agreeing to stipulate on the matter; however, the stipulation that we were provided with was a 14-day period which is just insufficient to get the zoning approval of the parking matrix and get all the paperwork filed and move forward. So we would request a period of time that's more extensive than the 14 days which we were offered. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And what do you see as a time frame? MR. WOODWARD: Ideally 120 days, which would be what the prior stipulation was for the other case, and that should give us a sufficient amount of time to get all this resolved and closed out. But at a minimum, we would request 45. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Jeff, do you have any comments on this? MR. LETOURNEAU: No. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. LETOURNEAU: I just think that there was a dispute as far as the length of time on the stipulation; is that what the deal was? MR. WOODWARD: Yeah. Initially we were offered seven days, which due to the fact that the holidays are upcoming, our offices are closed a portion of next week, the County offices are November 21, 2025 Page 11 closed, that was insufficient. That was extended to 14 days. But in light of the fact we're going to have to generate the matrix, get it approved by Zoning, get any supplemental documentation they're going to need to make that approval, we would request a significantly longer period of time. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: The only problem I would have with that is 120 days -- I mean, clearly we have two violations going on here. This one being kind of obvious. You need a business tax receipt. You need the things in place in order to operate. Three pontoons, illegal business being conducted, 120 just seems a little long. Now, we haven't made a ruling on anything yet, but those are just my thoughts. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: My question is will the business continue to operate without the permits? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Most likely, yes. MR. WOODWARD: I don't represent the business owner on that matter. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Good answer. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Well, based on the testimony, is there a violation? And if so, does anybody want to make a motion to that effect? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I'll go ahead, and I'll make a motion that a violation does exist. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I'll second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion and a second that a violation exists. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. November 21, 2025 Page 12 BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Now we go to your suggestion. MS. GUTTUM: That the Code Enforcement Board orders the respondent to pay all operational costs in the amount of $59.28 incurred in the prosecution of that case within 30 days and abate all violations by: Cease operation of unapproved business and remove associated business items and advertisement from the property within 14 days of this hearing, or a fine of $200 per day will be imposed until the violation is abated; The respondent must notify Code Enforcement investigator when the violation has been abated in order to conduct a final inspection to confirm abatement; If the respondent fails to abate the violation, the County may abate the violation by using any method to bring the violation into compliance and may use the assistance of the Collier County Sheriff's Office to enforce the provisions of this order, and all costs of abatement shall be assessed to the property owner. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. The sticking point on this is the time frame, the 14 days? MR. WOODWARD: Yes. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Well -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Anybody have any suggestions? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I'll go with a minimum of 45 days, 200 a day, operational costs of 59.28 to be paid within 30. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I don't think, me personally, that I would want this to be similar to the case where we were November 21, 2025 Page 13 ongoing for another year. The other case has already been open for over a year. I just kind of feel like second repeat violation, this one's pretty obvious, I feel at this point. I'd probably impose the fines after 45 days. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. We have no meeting in December, so this would go till January, okay? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So I'm going to second your motion. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Is that a motion? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: That was a motion. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: I would argue that they can't come back in 45 days. We don't have a meeting. MR. NOELL: And if the Board is going to give him until 45 days to come into compliance, that is separate and apart from him coming back before the Board. You know, he could -- since the Board doesn't meet in December, he could, you know, attempt to ask for a continuance kind of after the fact since we don't meet in December. I think that the cleaner way -- my recommendation, the cleaner way would probably continue -- or give him until, you know, the January meeting date because that's just cleaner, but it's whatever the Board's preference is. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: That would be January 22nd, correct? MS. BUCHILLON: Yes. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah. So why don't we do that, then. MR. IANDIMARINO: If I may, please. Director Tom Iandimarino for Code Enforcement. If we grant them 60 days, they're going to be able to operate this business or their -- they shouldn't be operating this business, but November 21, 2025 Page 14 they're probably going to operate this business for the next 60 days throughout the holidays, increased traffic. They have no legal parking for this traffic at this location. They're -- we won't be able to get this occupational license until the previous case that they stipulated to is even adjudicated. So it's either rip the Band-Aid off and tell them they can't do this now or rip the Band-Aid off and tell them they can't do it later, is my opinion, so... MR. NOELL: The challenge with that -- and I certainly appreciate the concerns and the considerations on it. The challenge that this board has right now is that entity is not before this board. So the Board doesn't have legal jurisdiction against the pontoon entity. And the name escapes me. I think it was Pontoon, LLC. MR. IANDIMARINO: Right. MR. NOELL: So that's the challenge the Board has right now. MR. IANDIMARINO: And the Pontoon, LLC, has entered into a contract with the landowner that is allowing the violation to occur on their property. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: But at the same time, that is their fault -- MR. IANDIMARINO: Understood. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: -- of course, yeah. So, I mean, I -- I mean, I -- 45 days, it kind of puts us with the holidays and everything. MR. IANDIMARINO: I have no argument on either way. I just wanted to let you know that this is -- you know, there are major parking issues down in the Bayshore area, and this is something that we need to look at. And if you want to grant 60, I'm not going to object. I just wanted to let you know. Thank you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Say it out loud. Can the fine be imposed? November 21, 2025 Page 15 BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Now. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Now? The fine of $200 a day? Yes, it could. MR. NOELL: Are you asking can a fine be imposed now for this violation? No, there has to be a separate hearing where -- the Board has to -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Oh, you're talking about the one for the Pontoon Boat, LLC. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Oh, okay. I'm sorry. MR. NOELL: Yes, yes. So on this current case, the Board -- whatever the Board's time frame for compliance they're going to give, after that, the Board has to hold a separate hearing to determine whether the compliance was timely achieved or not, at which point that's when a fine could be imposed. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Wouldn't Code Enforcement have to go and file a case on Pontoon Boat, LLC, for all this to happen? MR. NOELL: That's potentially a separate matter, but they are the property owner at the end of the day, and so the action -- there's obviously going to be maybe some contractual issues between his client and the Pontoon, LLC, but before this board is the use that's being made of the property that's owned by his client. And so I think, you know, kind of going full circle then would be a question of, you know, how many days you want to give for the compliance. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, if you give him one day, that still has a parking problem and all the rest of the things that go with that. If you do 45, you have 45 days of that. Sixty, you have 60 days of that. So this is a King David to cut the baby in half type of a deal, so... MR. WOODWARD: If I may, although I understand the concern with the parking and everything else, if we were to be November 21, 2025 Page 16 granted 45 days or 60 days until the next Code Enforcement hearing, it would allow my client time to determine if this is a feasible -- feasible alternative. Get these filed and approved, you know, in that time period, and if not, it would also give us an opportunity to negotiate or find a way out of the contract so we can remove the pontoon boats, if that is determined to be the only course of action. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: But the problem is it doesn't take 45 days to do that in a way, and we don't want this business to be ongoing for the next 45 days. MR. WOODWARD: Understood. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I have a question. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Go ahead. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: What has the owner done since March when this was originally written up? What's transpired to try to abate the problem since five and a half months ago? Before I vote, I just want to hear what you've done to try to rectify the problem. MR. WOODWARD: Well, she has retained our firm, obviously, to attend this hearing on their behalf. In addition to that, we've also been picking up the file on getting the approval done. I understand that the zoning application was submitted, but that has essentially sat idle for a period of time. It's not the best fact pattern, to be frank, but she has actually made active steps towards this. And ideally, we would like to get the parking approved and get this business so it can continue to operate in a legal and compliant manner. I don't believe -- as far as the parking goes, I don't believe, it's my understanding, that anybody is parking off the property to use this boat-rental operation. So whatever issues there are are taking place on our client's property. And we would appreciate the 45 days if that November 21, 2025 Page 17 is something the Board would entertain. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I don't think it is. I've got to amend the motion. I would like to change my motion to change the 45 days to 15 days. I want to take into consideration Tom's perspective and add that to kind of what we're thinking here. The holiday's going to throw a wrench into everything, but this is another -- it's a repeat violation of something else going on. The landlord needs to understand that, you know -- BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: He's still allowed to operate? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: They're going to -- that's why we're going to do 15 days. We're going to do 15 days in order to try our best to prohibit the operations if not, a fine will -- will accumulate per day. And we'll leave it to Code Enforcement investigators to check the property as they can. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And 14 days would certainly give you enough time to determine whether this business is viable or not; especially the next 15 days will give you the opportunity to see what's going on there. MR. WOODWARD: It will certainly give us sufficient time, I believe, to get the application completed with Zoning. I don't know what Zoning -- how backed up they are in terms of their review of those documents. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. And -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Well, with the next hearing, if you guys come and there's actually an application in place, then maybe we can talk about that, but March is a long time for something super simple. So I'm just -- I'm not favorable right now of going past that. So as of right now, my motion is 15 days, $200 per day if the November 21, 2025 Page 18 violation is not corrected, and today's operational costs of 59.28 do need to be paid within 30 days. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And I'll second your motion. So we have a motion and a second. It makes Tom a little happier. It makes the respondent a little happier. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. It passes. MS. BUCHILLON: And Mr. Woodward has another case. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: No. No. MS. BUCHILLON: Yes. We're still under hearings, No. 8, CEVR20230008759, Edington Place, LLC. MR. LETOURNEAU: So that's not under hearings. It's under imposition. MS. BUCHILLON: I'm sorry. Impositions. I apologize. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: What was the number again? MS. BUCHILLON: Number 8. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. WOODWARD: I do. MR. COLLIER: I do. MR. DOWNEY: I do. MR. COLLIER: For the record, Adam Collier, Collier County Code Enforcement. November 21, 2025 Page 19 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: What's the last three digits of this case number? MS. BUCHILLON: 8759. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Got it, okay. THE COURT REPORTER: And your name? MR. DOWNEY: I'm sorry. I'm hard of hearing. My name is James Downey. I live at 955 Barefoot Williams Road, Naples, Florida. MR. COLLIER: May I? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. MR. COLLIER: Past orders: On March 28th, 2024, the Code Enforcement Board issued a finding of fact, conclusion of law and order. The respondent was found in violation of the referenced ordinance and ordered to correct the violation. See the attached order of the Board, OR6353, Page 290, for more information -- for more information. On February 27th, 2025, and August 28th, 2025, the Code Enforcement Board granted a continuance. The violation has been abated as of October 22nd, 2025. Fines and costs to date are as follows: Fines have accrued at a rate of $100 per day for a period from July 27th, 2024, to October 22nd, 2025, 453 days, for a total fine amount of $45,000 -- $45,300. Previously assessed operational costs of 59.28 and 59.42 and -- 59.42 and 59.56 have been paid. Operational costs for today's hearing are 59.84, bringing the total amount to $45,359.84. The gravity of the violation, it's not health, safety, welfare. The actions taken by the violator to correct are they obtained the Collier County vegetation removal permit after working with the State. Any previous violations committed by the respondent, there are November 21, 2025 Page 20 none, and there are no relevant factors. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Sir, what took so long? MR. DOWNEY: I was here last time, two months ago. We've been waiting on the State for over 16 months -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: He was waiting for the DEP. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yeah. MR. DOWNEY: -- and then now he just told me today that I've been approved from the State, which I don't even know about that yet. So I'm the -- I said, I need to hire these guys and help me with the situation. I'm doing things by the book. It's just trying. He just told me this morning I've been approved from the State now. This is all new to me. Thank you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. WOODWARD: I believe the Code Enforcement Board has been supplied copies. Our office filed a motion to mitigate the fines. Essentially what happened is our client hired a contractor to remove the undergrowth on the property. It was not a clear-cut. They didn't remove any living trees. The undergrowth was removed. His contractor neglected to pull a permit for this. That led to the Code Enforcement action for which we are here before you today. In order to get the after-the-fact permit issued by Collier County, he had to get a DEP approval, and they did a review, which has currently been concluded. So they investigated what he had done on the property. That took some time. They issued a series of recommendations, which he's followed. That has been completed. And the code -- the Collier County permit for the removal of those vegetation has been removed -- I mean has been issued, and the problem has been abated. As far as the fines go, the $45,300 plus operational costs equate to roughly 72 percent of the value of the property. Attached as Exhibit C to our motion was the printout from the Collier County November 21, 2025 Page 21 Appraiser showing the property value at $62,401. So it represents a significant portion of the actual underlying value of the property. Considering it wasn't clear-cutting, it wasn't removing any trees, it was removing the undergrowth surrounding those trees, he relied upon his contractor, he had to work through the steps to get approval from the Florida Department of Environmental Protection as well as the County after the fact, we would request that the fines be mitigated at this time. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Anybody want to make a motion? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah. I can make a motion. I'll make a motion that today's operational costs of 59.84 do get paid within 30 days, and I will reduce the County's fines down to $1,500 from the $45,000. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion and a second. MR. DOWNEY: How much did he say? I'm hard of hearing, I'm sorry. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: He's reducing the fine from 45,000 to 1500. MR. DOWNEY: That's fine. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We like to make -- we appreciate you coming into compliance. MR. DOWNEY: I'm fine with that. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. So we have a motion and a second. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. November 21, 2025 Page 22 BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Thank you, sir. MR. WOODWARD: Thank you. MR. DOWNEY: God bless you guys. Thank you. MS. BUCHILLON: Our last attorney. We're still under imposition of fines. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MS. BUCHILLON: Number 14, CEVR20210009902, Iron Ranch Containers, Inc. We have two -- three cases for them. Do you want me to read the three cases now or one at a time? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Read them now. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yeah. Read them now. MS. BUCHILLON: Okay. Number 15, CELU20210010367 and CEVR20210010368. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Fourteen, 15, 16? MS. BUCHILLON: Fourteen, 15, and 16. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. JOHNSON: Yes. MR. MARINOS: I do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Counselor, could you give us your name on the microphone, please. MR. JOHNSON: Absolutely. May it please the Board. I'm Henry Johnson, and our firm and myself serves as counsel to the respondent of the three matters that we would ask to be heard jointly today, which is Iron Ranch Containers, Incorporated. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. They've all been abated as November 21, 2025 Page 23 of May 30th. Curious why -- past orders, we're back into February of 2022 and then January 26th, '23, et cetera, to March 27th, 2025. Would you like to give us a little summary on this before we continue? MR. MARINOS: Yes, sir, prior to the executive order? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. MR. MARINOS: Executive summary, okay. This is 1340 and 1370 Dove Tree Street, two parcels side by side, south of -- into the agricultural area of the Estates east of The Quarry, private roads out in that area. The property originally was cited for some illegal land use and some land clearing. They abated the violation by getting a Site Improvement Plan that approved the current state of the property, so they didn't change much about how it was being used as opposed to they just got approved for the way it was being used. Site Improvement Plans -- they had originally been told to do a Site Development Plan. Part of the way through that process, that was changed, and they were told to then basically start over and do a Site Improvement Plan at that point in time. They have been in good conduct, especially since Attorney Henry Johnson has been involved. We've seen very fast progress at that point in time. So it just -- it took a while to get the ball rolling where the County was on board with how it was being done, and everything kind of ironed out. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. What we'll do on these three is we'll take them one at a time. They've all been read into the record. They look like they're identical. MR. MARINOS: Essentially. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: One -159.84, one's -159.91, the other one's -84, so... BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Do you just want to do one November 21, 2025 Page 24 motion for all three? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have to -- we can do one motion for all three, and then we'll vote on them separately, on the motions, on the cases. Okay. John is doing a little math. MR. LETOURNEAU: So do you want Chuck to read all three of them in right now and then you guys make your decision and then have Mr. Johnson -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: No, I mean, we already introduced all three. I think we just make a motion and just -- MR. LETOURNEAU: After Mr. Johnson has his -- MR. NOELL: Yeah. I think -- just for the record, I think you should go through to confirm compliance, because they're each three individual cases, just to confirm the date of compliance, fines outstanding, so, yeah, I think that you should go through that for the record. MR. MARINOS: Understood. I will, for the record, read all three executive summaries back to back if that pleases the Board. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. MR. MARINOS: All right. For CECV20210009902, for the record, past orders: On February 24th, 2022, the Code Enforcement Board issued a finding of fact, conclusion of law and order. The respondent was found in violation of the referenced ordinances and ordered to correct the violation. See the attached order of the Board, OR6102, Page 1032, for more information. On January 26th, 2023, February 22nd, 2024, and March 27th, 2025, the Code Enforcement Board granted a continuance. The violation has been abated as of March 30th, 2025. Fines have accrued at a rate of $100 per day. November 21, 2025 Page 25 MS. BUCHILLON: You said March. May. MR. MARINOS: May 30th, 2025, correction. I apologize. Fines have accrued at a rate of $100 per day for the period from August 24th, 2022, to May 30th, 2025, 1,011 days, for a total fine amount of $101,100. Previously assessed operational costs of $59.28, $59.49, and 59.70 have been paid. Operational costs for today's hearing is $59.84, for a total amount of 101,159.84. The gravity of the violation was not health and safety. Any actions taken by the violator to correct is completed Site Improvement Plan PL20240002513. Any previous violations committed by the respondent: N/A. Any other relevant factors: N/A. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I have a question. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Shoot. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Total amount of fine of the 101-, is that for all three properties -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: No. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: -- combined or each? BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Each. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Each. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Each. MR. MARINOS: Yes, sir. They're all separate. This is the second one here. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That's the one that ends in 0367. MR. MARINOS: Yes, sir. This is ending 0367. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And the last one ends in -- we haven't read that yet, but 0368. The first two, the only difference is the address, 1370 Dove. The second one was 1340 Dove. Everything else, I believe, is the same. November 21, 2025 Page 26 MR. MARINOS: Yes, sir. The cited violations took place on two separate parcels, but they're being used in conjunction with each other, and the abatement procedure was the same for both of them. So they will read very similarly. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. So why don't we impose the first one first, 9902. John, did you want to make a motion on that one? MR. JOHNSON: May I speak? MR. NOELL: Yeah. Before that, Mr. Johnson would have the opportunity to address the Board. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Mr. Johnson. MR. JOHNSON: Thank you -- thank you very much for listening and for hearing us out. A little bit of further background. You may recall that -- it's a little bit of ancient history, but back in February of 2022, there was a stipulation when Iron Ranch was represented by a land planner named Claudine Auclair, and the thought was that all these violations could be abated within a very short period of time, six -- I think it was within the six-month period. And what happened is that -- if you look -- and I've provided a packet -- and I know it's very detailed, and I apologize to the Board for the length of it. But to look at the length of it will help you understand the winding road that our client has gone down to try to get full compliance, because it originally started with attempting to obtain a temporary-use permit for a mobile home in an ag zone literally three days after the stipulation was entered into. And the parties traveled down that path until it was found, with working with Collier County, that that couldn't happen and that there would have to be corrections that were not possible to make. So what then happened -- so for the benefit of the Board -- is that Mr. Aguilar, on behalf of Iron Ranch Recycling, with the November 21, 2025 Page 27 assistance of not only his land planner, but an engineer, went forward with the attempt to obtain a Site Development Plan for the two parcels, and that Site Development Plan carried over several years. And ultimately, it was shown -- it was -- the County believed and all parties believed that a Site Development Plan wasn't necessary, wasn't appropriate, and wasn't needed; therefore, Mr. Aguilar and Iron Ranch pivoted, finally, to the Site Improvement Plan that's been explained by Mr. Marinos. And that's what's led, ultimately, to the full -- full compliance at this point in time with all -- with all violations. Iron Ranch didn't take this board lightly at all. In fact, just the opposite. Iron Ranch has incurred costs and expenses in excess of $230,000 with engineers, consultants, and the like to try to get this into compliance. So, respectfully, it's been one of those situations where I think that Iron Ranch has done pretty much everything it could possibly do in order to get in compliance. You know, sometimes, you know -- and it started with, I think, a good-faith stipulation by Iron Ranch through the assistance of their land planner, Claudine Auclair, that thought that six months would be perfect. It wasn't perfect. And if you look at the 50 or so pieces in the packets, which I would ask to be entered into evidence for the record, you'll see the really substantial efforts to really try to get into compliance. It's not one of those things where, you know, Mr. Aguilar could have done something independent, just gone out and done something simple to try to get this taken care of. It has taken a long period of time. So we are asking -- so if it's -- as you deliberate, we would ask, respectfully, the following: One, that you consider either no fines or a very, very modest -- modest fine. Note that the valuations of these -- each of these properties are just in excess each of about $50,000 in terms of property appraised value. November 21, 2025 Page 28 So please give it consideration. If you had the opportunity to look at the booklets -- and I know that when I was here two -- not necessarily two meetings ago, but for me it was two meetings ago, we provided to you our packets and booklets, which is really a blueprint and chronology of all the monumental efforts that Iron Ranch has gone through to try to comply. And I would ask you, respectfully, to take that into compliance, because if the goal of our boards -- and I know because I have served the City of Naples Code Enforcement for many years. I can tell you that if the goal is to get compliance, yeah, it's taken a lot of time, but you've gotten great compliance not because it was the ability of a -- of one person to do a unilateral act but, rather, if you look at the booklet, you're going to see if took the amalgamation of the good cooperation of Collier County and Collier County staff, of engineering, of consultants, Florida Department of Environmental Protection, and many of the other parties. I don't want to belabor that because I know you've got a very busy agenda today, but I would ask that you take that into consideration as you deliberate. Thank you. MR. NOELL: And then since he had asked for the binder to be entered into evidence, you guys would just make a motion on whether to admit that. That's assuming the County has no objection. MR. MARINOS: We have no objection to that, no. MR. NOELL: Okay. So you would then just motion to -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, let's see where we go from here. Do you want to finish your motion, John? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: He's good. MR. NOELL: So, respectfully, if you're going to motion on the ultimate imposition and things like that, before we get to that part, you would just need to make a motion on whether you're going to accept that binder into evidence. That way it's part of the record. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. November 21, 2025 Page 29 BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: I make a motion that we accept the binder. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Motion and a second to accept the binder. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Okay. MR. LETOURNEAU: For the record, Jeff Letoureau, Collier County Code Enforcement. I agree with everything that Mr. Johnson has said. They did have some roadblocks. It took them a long time to come into compliance. As soon as he came on board, things moved very quickly. We would object to a total waiver of fines because, let's be honest, Iron Ranch did create the violation. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: It's four years old as well. So I'm going to reduce them. I'm not going to waive them only for the simple fact as well that it's just a very long case. But I do appreciate the effort to come into compliance. So I'm going to make a motion that today's operational costs for this particular case of $59.84 do get paid within 30 days and that we reduce the fines for this case down to 1750. MR. JOHNSON: Seventeen hundred and fifty dollars? November 21, 2025 Page 30 BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: One thousand, seven hundred fifty dollars. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Per case? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: We're not on the other cases yet. Give me one moment to -- let's focus on this one here. This is one case. We're doing the other ones one at a time. So 1750 -- that's a massive reduction -- for this case right here, to be paid within 30 days. That is my motion. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: I second it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion and a second. Any discussion on the motion? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Hearing none, all those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Nay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. It passes. That's that one. The next case is the one ending in 0367. Do you want to do the same motion on this one? MR. JOHNSON: Just so it's clear for the record, the arguments that I made relating to the first case we would adopt -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Second that. MR. JOHNSON: -- with equal force and effect for this particular independent -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: You already won. Don't worry about it. November 21, 2025 Page 31 MR. JOHNSON: Thank you. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: All right. So the second case we'll do the same motion; however, the operational costs for today of 59.80 -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Ninety-one. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: -- 91, 59.91 -- I'm getting old. I can hardly see that -- do need to get paid within 30 days, and it would be the same 1,750. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Motion, second. Any discussion on the motion? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Hearing none, all those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Nay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. It carries. The last case in this series is ending in 0368. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah. So this would be the same thing. MR. JOHNSON: And -- hold on -- just same adoption of argument, for the record. That's all I need. Thank you. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You're not going to put us through that whole thing again. MR. JOHNSON: For all -- I've got to get the record clear. Thank you. November 21, 2025 Page 32 BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I like him. Today's operational -- who zoomed that in? Fire that guy -- 59.84 to be paid within 30 days, and we'll reduce this one to the same, 1,750 -- BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: -- to be paid within 30 days. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And we have a second. Any discussion on the motion? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Hearing none, all those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Nay. MR. JOHNSON: For clarity, the total -- the total -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: 1750 times three. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: The total amount to be paid -- MR. JOHNSON: No, I understand. Operational costs is what I'm trying to understand. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I'll break them down. So the total would be 5,250 regarding the fines that we've reduced to be paid within 30 days. MR. JOHNSON: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: The total operational costs to be paid within 30 days is $179.59. MR. JOHNSON: All righty. For the record, did -- did we want to put what the amount was that was requested and the amount that it's been reduced to just for the record purposes? It's up -- it's up to the Chairman and to the Board. I don't know if you need that. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: 101,000 -- November 21, 2025 Page 33 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It doesn't matter. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Sure. I can -- you know, for case ending in 0368, the fine total amount that was previous was $101,159.84. MR. JOHNSON: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: The fines amount for the case ending in 10367 before reduction was 101,159.91. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Which is the same number, I think. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: It's -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: No. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: -- different. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- different, 84 cents. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: For case ending in 09902, total amount before reduction was $101,159.84. MR. JOHNSON: Okay. Thank you for clarity of the record. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. MARINOS: Thank you. MR. JOHNSON: Thank you. This ends this -- these combined hearings. Okay, we're good. Thanks a lot. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. JOHNSON: Thank you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Does somebody want these books? BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Yeah. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: That's not that case. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That's not this case. Oh, different case. Sorry. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: We had those books before. MS. BUCHILLON: Next case, we're under public hearings, motions, No. 1, motion for continuance of imposition of fines hearing, CESD20200003242, Kluckhuhn Family Residential Trust. MR. KLUCKHUHN: How are you guys today? I want to thank November 21, 2025 Page 34 you for -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Take your time. We're not going anywhere. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. KLUCKHUHN: Yes. MS. MOONEY: Yes. MR. COLLIER: I do. MR. KITTS: I do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Could you both state your name for the record. MS. MOONEY: Keirsten Mooney. I am Gary Kluckhuhn's daughter. MR. KLUCKHUHN: And I'm Gary Kluckhuhn. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: What a coincidence that -- okay. You've been sworn? MR. KITTS: Yes, sir. For the record, Ryan Kitts, Collier County Code Enforcement. MR. COLLIER: Adam Collier, Collier County Code Enforcement. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Do you want to give us a quickie summary on this? MR. KITTS: The case has been going on since 2020. It was -- there was a finding of fact January 25th, 2024. They were found guilty of the violation of building a boathouse without a permit. In November of 2024, they were issued a continuance to grant them a year to get the completion of the variance and the permit. Today is the expiration date. The boathouse is still -- the variance has still not been fully November 21, 2025 Page 35 approved. There's still no active permit at the time for the boathouse -- or the boathouse permit has been abandoned as of January 2025. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Is the variance being worked on whatsoever? MR. KITTS: Yes. The variance is actively being worked on. A lot of submissions have been submitted to the County. The County has rejected most of them. I think right now the -- it's in -- Zoning and Planning has just sent them a review letter to allow them to continue on and try to get this variance approved. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Let me ask, if that variance is currently being worked on, why would the permit be abandoned? Adam, can that be -- can they have a permit on file currently being worked on while the variance is in progress, or would the permit enter abandonment state for that? MR. COLLIER: So there were some things that needed to be submitted for the permit, from my understanding, that weren't; that's why it entered abandoned status. They didn't move forward on it. But I do think the reason that they decided not to move forward on it was because of the variance. But the variance wasn't applied for until 2024, and the case -- again, the case was open in 2020. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: At that time -- that's a year ago right around now. MR. COLLIER: Yeah, it's a year. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: All right. Sorry for interrupting. Keep going. MR. KITTS: No. I mean, I think the issue is is that they're requesting a variance for something that's almost not going to be possible. They almost have to split the variances, because they're trying to get a variance for the boathouse and the house. They're trying to include both together, but apparently they need to separate November 21, 2025 Page 36 them to get them approved, and -- yeah, to make the approval process much easier. And the boathouse is going to have to match the existing home as far as the pitch of the roof and the type of material and the color of the roof which at the time it does not. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Has this been explained to the respondent? MR. KITTS: Yes. Yes, it has. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And what has the respondent said to you? MR. KITTS: They continue to want the variance and continue to move forward with trying to get it approved. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. That's -- do you have anything else to say? I think we know -- there was a stipulation written a year ago. MR. KITTS: Yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It's done. They said a year ago that they agreed to have everything done in one year. MR. KITTS: Yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So we're at a point now where I'm going to ask the respondents where we go from here, especially since -- what you have said to them. Okay. We're not here to go over your plans or anything, only what you had signed up for a year ago to today. MR. KLUCKHUHN: We've had quite a bit of discovery as to how we got here. In 2020, when I was cited, what was my -- the citation in 2020 that Tom Pitura gave me was from working on my boathouse and dock without a permit. And last night when we were putting together the history -- because I wasn't working on my dock. I wasn't doing anything but cleaning up around my yard, and I let a guy bring a houseboat to my dock on -- MS. MOONEY: Do you want me to speak to this, Dad? November 21, 2025 Page 37 MR. KLUCKHUHN: My daughter is -- I'm -- I want to thank you guys. You gave me an extension. I've been in and out of the hospital. I'm here against medical advice, so I'm going to turn this over to my daughter, let her explain it. And I appreciate -- I would like to correct that original citation where the guy was running a skill saw at 9:20 in the night, and I was very upset about it. That's -- my neighbor called, and they came out -- Tom came out the next day and gave me a citation for working without a permit. Well, I wasn't doing any work. But that noise, I understood that, and all the clutter around my house because of the hurricane damage, I accepted -- he said, "You've got to get a permit." I -- my daughter will get a -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Hand over the mic. MS. MOONEY: I don't know if I need a mic. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: No, you don't. MS. MOONEY: But I'm -- here, Dad. You just -- MR. KLUCKHUHN: She's done an incredible job. I want to thank you guys. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Pull up a chair and relax. MS. MOONEY: Thank you. And this has been -- I apologize -- a long-going process. And through the course of multiple things that have happened, we have finally gone back to the root of how this actually did start in 2020, 5/5/2020. And Adam and Ryan, in particular, have been extremely helpful. Because in addition to this, my father is dealing with a lawsuit against him by a marine contractor, Greg Orick, that we are in the middle of resolving that also does contribute to the delays and the noncompliance. And so when Adam had said not too, too long ago, well, this is a five-year -- or five year, almost, case -- and it took some time for us to really sort through and go back to the original photos of how this really has drug on for so long with so many different permits coming, going, being abandoned. And I have lived with my father at the November 21, 2025 Page 38 residence in Trinidad pretty much on and off since he had purchased the property in September of 2019. So -- and I apologize this isn't on the big screen, but I did do a printout to give you a visual of what has happened in conjunction with the complaint statuses and the permits and why they've been extended and come and go. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Let me stop you a second. MS. MOONEY: Yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: This case was adjudicated. You pled guilty. We gave you a lot of time to get everything resolved. You said these two gentlemen have been very helpful, and I think they're trying to be helpful saying that what you're trying to do just isn't going to work. MR. KLUCKHUHN: No. But the thing is, when I pled guilty, we didn't have -- I wasn't guilty. And if we could fix that and go to the boathouse under discovery. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: In order to change that, you would have had to appeal it within 40 [sic] days. MR. KLUCKHUHN: I didn't know until we pulled these pictures together. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I understand that. We can only go by what's in writing. MS. MOONEY: Absolutely. And I -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So I just don't understand -- they're trying to tell you that what you're doing, the only remedy for that is to completely change the pitch of the roof or whatever it is. MR. COLLIER: Correct. MR. KLUCKHUHN: The house that we're going to put on the site -- when I bought the house, it was a teardown, and the pitch of the roof -- the house floods. And the addition we're going to put on top will have a flat roof, and it will match. We've got pictures of the November 21, 2025 Page 39 proposed, and I will -- the Board of County Commissioners, I just -- I'm going to make an appointment with my commissioner. It may require -- what we're doing, I understand, it doesn't even have a roof. It's a flat -- but it architecturally matches now. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: What we're here to determine today is -- MS. MOONEY: Yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- very simple; to impose the fine or to grant additional time to come into compliance. That's it. Not what you're going to do to the roof. It's -- I'm trying to keep this as simple as possible. MS. MOONEY: I understand, and I do appreciate that. And I am very clear that the direction in which the variance is hitting, we applied for it, as they had said in '24. Really, the comprehensive documents were not uploaded until May of this year. And so we had just heard back from John. And right about on the 18th, so a few days ago, really clarifying as they've gone through the variance that we probably need to now do two separate applications. So I had -- my father's 80th birthday was on Monday, so we got this mail on the 18th, and I did respond to that, and I've looped Adam and Ryan in on this process. I do realize now at this point that what we are attempting to do not only might be not timely for the County and us and my father at this point, but it probably -- possibly is not even feasible about what has happening through the course of this. So what I -- if -- I would like to just show you and explain the good will amongst this noncompliance from 2020 on behalf of my father. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Let me stop you there. What we're looking for is for you to say, "We're going to do this." They'll probably agree to what you're probably going to do to change it and what a reasonable amount of time would be for that. Not what you're November 21, 2025 Page 40 going to do. We don't care what you're going to do as long as you come into compliance. MS. MOONEY: Okay. So in the corrections letter that was sent on the 18th, a couple days ago, they had recommended that we will need another six months to sort through not only the plan but also what has happened, and the permit that was closed out for the contractor that my father hired December 13, 2021, to complete this job who never even began the job until May -- April of '23. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Okay. So the problem is we're -- essentially, you're going through the case again. MS. MOONEY: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: What he's just looking for is just, hey, we just need to know what you're planning to do. From my perspective here, what the Board -- MS. MOONEY: No. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: -- six-year case is -- will officially be -- I'm not -- I'm leaning more towards just at this point, let them do what they need to do, but we impose the fines, and they can handle it on the other end. Because coming back to the Code Enforcement Board for the next two to three years is just wasting Adam's time, it's wasting Ryan's time. We don't have any -- any progress after six years. So I'm leaning more towards imposing the fines, you guys do whatever you need to do, and then you take it up with, you know, the folks that you need to take it up with. But there's just really no point in coming back to us. It's already been five years -- or by next month, month and a half, that's it. It's 2026. We're wasting your time. You know, we're -- you're just coming here for no reason. There's no progress. There's no compliance being made. And there might be some, but we have an abandonment state permit right now. So that's my thoughts on this, and you guys -- we can talk about it November 21, 2025 Page 41 and see how you guys feel. But we can't hear the case again. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I agree with you. I agree with you. Had you said -- and you came here today -- we're going to get everything done by February 14th, or whatever it is, Valentine's Day, but you're not. You're not anywhere near that. You are not even sure what you're going to do. So if you're not sure of the timing, we can't impose an extension of time because we don't know what it is. You don't know what it is. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: And I will say, a one-year grace -- the one-year continuation that we gave, man, that is rare. That is rare. I would almost like to say that the Code Enforcement Board has done its part in trying to obtain compliance by granting a year and then some. So at this point, that's how I feel. Lee? Tarik? BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Do you want to make a motion? MS. MOONEY: I -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: You know, you can -- MS. MOONEY: In all due -- and I thoroughly appreciate that, and we really at this point do not have time either and probably the resources. So we, two days ago, did get back that this probably needs to be two separate, and if we need to readjust the boathouse that exists as it is, then we will, we will redo the roof. We will be in compliance, but the variance for the height -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I understand that. And we do appreciate that. But I think we're five years, almost six too late at this point. MS. MOONEY: But the challenge is is that what my father's trying to explain is that the original violation actually did not even occur, and we understand now via the Code Enforcement that this is a separate division that we would have to address. And when the November 21, 2025 Page 42 boat -- the boathouse did not even exist -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah. The thing is, what I'm trying to explain is we can't -- MS. MOONEY: -- until the first violation January 25th, 2024. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I know. But we can't go further than where we are at right now. MS. MOONEY: I understand. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: What we're talking about, it's moot. We can't go further. It's five years too late. MS. MOONEY: Can we -- MR. KLUCKHUHN: Can I ask the attorney a question? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Sure. MR. KLUCKHUHN: Sure. The violation that I didn't plead guilty to working my dock -- (Simultaneous crosstalk.) MR. KLUCKHUHN: -- and it was -- is the fact that it's like if I got a ticket for illegal right turn, and I was on a bicycle, would I need to go to a civil appeal? MR. NOELL: I can't advise you legally because my function is just to advise this board legally. So unfortunately, I can't advise you. MR. KLUCKHUHN: Are they not culpable? Is the board -- is the County not culpable for the citation that would be in error? MR. NOELL: I can't -- yeah, I can't advise you legally. MR. KLUCKHUHN: I understand. I mean, to advise them, even. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Okay. So we do got to make a motion here. We're already pushing more than 20 minutes on this one. MR. NOELL: So this will be on the motion for the continuance. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Right -- MS. MOONEY: Please, please. November 21, 2025 Page 43 MR. NOELL: -- because that's what is right here. And if the Board denies that motion for a continuance, then it will roll to the imposition of fine docket, and if that's next, so be it. But just so the Board knows. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: So we at this time -- I'm making a motion to deny the continuance. That is my motion. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I'll second it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries -- it carries almost unanimously. Okay. So that case is done. Now, the next thing that happens with this case -- I don't know what the date is. MS. BUCHILLON: I have it scheduled for imposition of fines today. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. So -- MS. BUCHILLON: So it would be No. 1 under motion for imposition of fines and liens, CESD20200003242, Kluckhuhn Family Residential Trust. (The participants were previously duly sworn.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. So that's the case we should here right now while you're there so we can resolve it. I think we've heard all the information. November 21, 2025 Page 44 BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Before I make that motion, I just -- Kathleen? MR. IANDIMARINO: If we may, can we please read this into the record, sir? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yeah. MR. KITTS: Past orders: On January 25th, 2024, the Code Enforcement Board issued a finding of fact, conclusions of law and order. The respondent was found guilty -- in violation of referenced ordinances and ordered to correct the violation. See the attached order of the Board, OR6329, Page 1079, for more information. On July 25th, 2024, and November 20th, 2024, the Code Enforcement Board granted a continuance. The violation has not been abated as of November 21st, 2025. Fines have accrued at the rate of $100 per day for the period from May 25th, 2024, to November 20th, 2024 [sic]. Total fine -- or for 180 days for a total fine amount of $18,000. Fines did not accrue from November 21st, 2024, to November 21st -- sorry, yes -- to November 21st, 2025. Fines continue to accrue. Previously assessed operational costs of $59.28 and $59.35 have been paid. Operational costs for today's hearing is $59.70. The total amount, $18,059.70. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. KLUCKHUHN: Can I interject anything? Can I speak? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You can't object. MR. KLUCKHUHN: I'm not objecting. I would like to appeal to the Board. When I sold my house in Naples to buy this house, I had a -- during the middle of the coronavirus, the brokers forged the document, which has gone to -- going with the State's Attorney, and it cost me one point -- it cost me everything. I've lost everything to this point. So I'm appealing to this board to recognize I am living with my November 21, 2025 Page 45 daughter and son-in-law. I can't -- you know, it's -- I worked all my life, and because of the fraud and the forgery that -- we're at a loss now. It's in God's hands. I respectfully ask you to consider I've done -- only tried to be compliant through this and have done everything -- other than I didn't -- I'm -- thank you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: All right. Okay. Now, you made a motion earlier to impose the fine. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah. I wanted to hear Kathleen's thoughts, but I think the last motion already went through. What I think -- what I think is not being understood here is that I think we've -- as Code Enforcement Board, we've probably hit the end of assistance that we can provide, and I think you're not understanding that portion is that we've done what we can on our end. But the purpose of Code Enforcement is not to have somebody come back for the next eight years and say, "We've gone through the following, and we're dealing with the following." And I'm not saying -- I'm just saying we -- on our end, we have hit a point where, hey, I can't help you right now. Like, this is where we've done what we can. We've given you a six-year case, which is very unheard of, along with a one-year continuation. I mean, this is unheard of. So I need you to understand that I'm not -- we're not trying to be out to get you. We're just saying, hey -- at some point you can correct this, and there are remedies that you can take to deal with these fines outside of Code Enforcement. But we shouldn't have this case presented to us again and again and again and again. MR. KLUCKHUHN: How do I end it? How do I -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: That would be something that you can discuss later on with Tom, Jeff Letourneau, Adam, Ryan. Somebody can guide you through that process. But for here for the Code Enforcement Board part, I just don't think it's beneficial for you to keep returning, and which is why I'm going to make the motion November 21, 2025 Page 46 that we impose the fines -- MR. KLUCKHUHN: I respect that. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: -- and they can deal with the remedies and go through there. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You may want to contact your own lawyer to see where you go from there. MR. KLUCKHUHN: I've spent over 50,000. I have no more money. MS. MOONEY: We are in the middle of the lawsuit with Greg Orick that directly relates to this and this imposition of fines for him not doing his job and completing the boathouse. Then my father attempted to complete that triggered, then, the fine, but he was actually found guilty before he even had begun the work himself on the boathouse, and the -- the actual permit never closed out with Greg Orick until November 19, 2024, so -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I don't want to interrupt you, but that's all beside the point. MS. MOONEY: I understand -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: We have a motion. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have -- we have a motion right now that we have to act on. We have a motion. We have a second? BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Second, plus the 59.70. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Well, it's being -- it's being imposed. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Yeah. I second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. November 21, 2025 Page 47 BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries. MS. BUCHILLON: Also, fines do start accruing again. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yes. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: They continue. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MS. MOONEY: Okay. Thank you. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Thank you. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Better off to tear it down. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: What's next, Helen? MS. BUCHILLON: Next under public hearings, public hearings, first stipulation, No. 4, CESD20240002185, Azteca Supermarket 2000, Inc. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. MUCHA: I do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning, Joe. MR. MUCHA: Good morning. For the record, Joe Mucha, manager of Collier County Code Enforcement. Therefore, it is agreed between the parties that the respondent shall: One, pay operational costs in the amount of $59.28 incurred in the prosecution of this case within 30 days of this hearing; Two, abate all violations by obtaining all required Collier County building permits or demolition permits, inspections, and certificate of completion/occupancy for the unpermitted alterations November 21, 2025 Page 48 within 120 days of this hearing, or a fine of $200 per day will be imposed until the violation is abated; Three, respondent must notify Code Enforcement within 24 hours of abatement of the violation and request the investigator perform a site inspection to confirm compliance; Four, that if the respondent fails to abate the violation, the County may abate the violation using any method to bring the violation into compliance and may use the assistance of the Collier County Sheriff's Office to enforce the provisions of this agreement, and all costs of abatement shall be assessed to the property owner. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Let the record reflect that the respondent is not here right now but signed this today? MR. MUCHA: It was a week ago, sir. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: A week ago, okay. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: I'll make a motion to accept the stipulation as written. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And a second. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: (Absent for vote.) BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Nay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. It carries. Next? MS. BUCHILLON: Next stipulation, we're still under hearings, No. 11, CESD20230000123, Yohenis Martinez. MR. MARTINEZ: Good morning. November 21, 2025 Page 49 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. MARTINEZ: I do. MR. OWEN: I do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Would you state your name on the microphone for us, please. MR. MARTINEZ: Yes, true. THE COURT REPORTER: Your name? MR. MARTINEZ: Yohenis Martinez. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Good morning. MR. OWEN: Good morning, sir. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Do you want to read this into the record for us? MR. OWEN: Would love to. For the record, Brian Owen, Collier County Code Enforcement. Therefore, it is agreed between the parties the respondent shall: Number 1, pay operational costs in the amount of 59.28 incurred in the prosecution of this case within 30 days of this hearing; Abate all violations by obtaining all required Collier County building permits or demolition permits, inspections, and certificate of completion/occupancy for storage buildings within 120 days of this hearing, or a fine of $200 per day will be imposed until the violation is abated; Three, respondent must notify Code Enforcement within 24 hours of abatement of the violation, and the respondent -- I'm sorry -- and request the investigator perform a site inspection to confirm compliance; Four, that if respondent fails to abate the violation, the County may abate violation using any method to bring the violation into November 21, 2025 Page 50 compliance and may use the assistance of the Collier County Sheriff's Office to enforce the provisions of this agreement, and all costs of abatement shall be assessed to the property owner. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Brian, thank you. Sir, are you going to be able to take care of this within 120 days? MR. MARTINEZ: Yes, sir. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Great. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: I'll make a motion to accept the stipulation as written. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Thank you, Brian. MR. OWEN: You're welcome. MR. MARTINEZ: Thank you. One more. MS. BUCHILLON: Oh, he has another stipulation. Number 12, CEAU20230000125, Yohenis Martinez. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? November 21, 2025 Page 51 MR. OWEN: I do. MR. MARTINEZ: I do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Brian, you want to read this into the record for us? MR. OWEN: One more time, for the record, Brian Owen, Collier County Code Enforcement. Therefore, it is agreed between the parties that the respondent shall: Number 1, pay operational costs in the amount of 59.28 incurred in the prosecution of this case within 30 days of this hearing; Number 2, abate all violations by obtaining all required Collier County building permits, demolition permits, inspections, certificate of completion/occupancy for the fence within 60 days of this hearing, or a fine of $100 per day will be imposed until the violation is abated; Three, respondent must notify Code Enforcement within 24 hours of abatement of the violation and request the investigator perform a site inspection to confirm compliance; Four, that if the respondent fails to abate the violation, the County may abate the violation by using any method to bring the violation into compliance and may use the assistance of the Collier County Sheriff's Office to enforce the provisions of this agreement, and all costs of abatement shall be assessed to the property owner. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Thank you, Brian. Sir, any problems? MR. MARTINEZ: Yes, sir, no problem. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Sixty days on this one. MR. MARTINEZ: Yes, sir. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: I make a motion to accept the stipulation as written. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Second. November 21, 2025 Page 52 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Thank you, Brian. MR. MARTINEZ: Thank you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Do you want to take a break, Terri? THE COURT REPORTER: Sure. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Be back in 10 minutes. (A recess was had from 10:22 a.m. to 10:42 a.m.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I'd like to call the Code Enforcement Board back to order. Okay, Helen, you're the boss. MS. BUCHILLON: Hi. Okay. We're going to have a little change here under motion for imposition of fines. Respondent has a family emergency. On number -- I just had it in my hand -- No. 5, CEVR20240002227, Cristhian M. Lopez, Misleydis C. Rodriguez, and Ricardo M. Rodriguez Leyva. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It's a good thing you didn't ask me to pronounce the names. MS. RODRIGUEZ: Misleydis Rodriguez. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? November 21, 2025 Page 53 MR. MARINOS: I do. MS. RODRIGUEZ: I do. MR. RODRIGUEZ: I do. THE COURT REPORTER: Your name? MR. RODRIGUEZ: Ricardo Rodriguez. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Could you both state your name on the microphone for us, please. MR. RODRIGUEZ: Yeah. Ricardo Rodriguez. MS. RODRIGUEZ: Misleydis Rodriguez. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Another coincidence. Both have the same names. Okay. Would you like to read this into the record for us? MR. MARINOS: Yes, sir. For the record, Charles Marinos, Collier County Code Enforcement. Past orders: On February 27th, 2025, the Code Enforcement Board issued a finding of fact, conclusions of law and order. The respondent was found in violation of the referenced ordinances and ordered to correct the violation. See the attached order of the Board, OR6449, Page 2764, for more information. On August 28th, 2025, the Code Enforcement Board granted a continuance. The violation has been abated as of September 17th, 2025. Fines and costs to date are as follows: Fines have accrued at a rate of $200 per day for the period from June 28th, 2025, to September 17th, 2025, 82 days, for a total fine amount of $16,400. Previously assessed operational costs of 59.28 and 59.49 have been paid. Operational costs for today's hearing is $59.77, for a total amount $16,459.77. The gravity of the violation is not health or safety. Actions taken by the violator to correct: Obtained Permit PL20240007725. November 21, 2025 Page 54 Any previous violations committed by the respondent: N/A. Any other relevant factors: N/A. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. RODRIGUEZ: For the record, I appreciate everything that Cristina and Chuck have done for us to help us through this process. Also, what took a little longer was we -- the original plans we submitted was denied and denied after -- again because of -- supposedly the Estates was going through a commercial change for one commercial vehicle per household. And that didn't go through a few months ago, and then finally now we have -- we were -- the same plans we submitted in the beginning are now -- have been approved, and we've got the permit. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Those are the same plans that got approved? MR. RODRIGUEZ: Yeah. So that way -- take that into consideration for -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Chuck? MR. MARINOS: Yes, sir, that's accurate. They submitted a VRP. The VRP's reason for clearing was for parking for commercial trucks, which is an approved use on the site, especially because the commercial trucks belong to them. Environmental turned down it originally because of some supposed changes that were going to take place in limitations on commercial vehicles in the Estates-zoned properties. Those changes did not take place. The exact same plan was then approved, and they're now in compliance. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Zeros. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yeah. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Well, what do you think it should be reduced to? MR. RODRIGUEZ: Nothing. November 21, 2025 Page 55 BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: To nothing? Wow. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: It's not their fault. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: I'll make a motion to pay the operational costs of 59.77 within 30 days and waive the rest of the fines. MR. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Second it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion and a second. Any discussion on the motion? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: He has to get 16,000. I'm kidding. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Hearing none, all those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. You need to pay the operational costs, but the fine is being waived. MR. RODRIGUEZ: All right. Thank you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Merry Christmas. MR. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you. MS. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you. MR. CHUCK: Thank you. MS. BUCHILLON: We are back up under hearings, next case, No. 3, CELU20250011084, Yoandy Herrera Suarez and Yesnicey Bouquet Pena. November 21, 2025 Page 56 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Last four digits on this one 2185? MR. TOSCANO: Good morning, Your Honor. MS. BUCHILLON: No, 11084. Number 3 under regular hearings. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay, 3, got it. Could you state your name on the microphone after she -- let her swear you in first. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm you will translate everything from English into Spanish and Spanish into English to the best of your ability? MR. TOSCANO: I do. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. HERRERA SUAREZ: Yes. MR. BOONE: Yes. MR. COOPER: I do. MR. PALUMBO: I do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. So we have respondent and an interpreter, or we have two respondents and one interpreter. THE COURT REPORTER: Can you state your name? MR. TOSCANO: Freddie Toscano. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You're the interpreter? MR. TOSCANO: Yes, I am. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: This gentleman? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I think he's a contractor. MR. BOONE: Yeah. My name's Jeremy Boone. I'm an environmental consultant. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. I can understand you. And you're the respondent. MR. TOSCANO: This is the respondent. November 21, 2025 Page 57 MR. HERRERA SUAREZ: Yoandy Herrera Suarez. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Got it. MR. IANDIMARINO: If I may real quick, Tom Iandimarino, director of Code Enforcement. Sir, if you're going to interpreter, I ask that you be slow and patient. Don't allow somebody to speak 10 paragraphs and then interpret it once. So sentence, stop, interpret, sentence, stop, interpret, please. MR. TOSCANO: I gotcha. MR. IANDIMARINO: Thank you, sir. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Or we have to send you to interpreter school. MR. TOSCANO: No, you don't want to go. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. All right. MR. COOPER: Craig Cooper, Collier County Code Enforcement. MR. PALUMBO: Dante Palumbo, Florida Department of Health in Collier County. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Craig, you want to read this one -- well, it's your case. MR. COOPER: Yes, sir. Good morning. Craig Cooper, Collier County Code Enforcement. This is in reference to Case No. CELU20250011084 dealing with the violation of Collier County Land Development Code 04-41, as amended, Section 1.04.01(A), Collier County Land Development Code 2004-41, as amended, Section 2.02.03, storage and use of vehicle, controlled ordinance, Code of Laws and Ordinances, Chapter 130, Article III, Section 130-96(a) and Section 130-95 located at 4252 66th Avenue Northeast, Naples, Florida 34120. Personal service was given on October 8th of 2025. All right. November 21, 2025 Page 58 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Excuse me. Do you want to tell the respondent what he just said? MR. TOSCANO: Don't worry, whatever he's saying, he knows me already because I'm always in the back, you know. So he knows basically what is going on. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Okay. Craig. MR. COOPER: Okay. This case originated from a complaint about a recreational vehicle being advertised online for rent on the property. I recognized this address from a previous code case where I witnessed multiple RVs with electrical connections and sewage systems while investigating an unrelated case. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: You're going to have to translate into the mic. If you want, take the one from him, and you guys can switch spots, maybe. It might be easier, but... MR. TOSCANO: I want to be honest. Basically whatever he's saying I know already, so he knows -- I don't really need to translate too much to him. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: No, you have to translate to him. MR. COOPER: During my site visit with Corporal Matt Vaill, the Collier County Sheriff's Office, and Dante Palumbo, Supervisor Florida Department of Health, we contacted the property owner and informed her that we were -- we were there because we'd received a complaint about a recreational vehicle advertised for rent online. The property owner denied having an advertisement for recreational vehicle for rent. I then asked the owner if I could go to the back of the property to see if any RVs were occupied in the back of the property. The property owner stated that she would need to contact her husband, and she went inside the residence. The property owner returned and asked us to come back in about an hour. November 21, 2025 Page 59 Supervisor Palumbo then informed the property owner that he would not require her written consent to enter the property as this was a matter of health and safety. At this point Supervisor Palumbo and Corporal Vaill walked to the back of the property where they witnessed five recreational vehicles that appeared to be occupied, and three of the RVs appeared to be discharging raw sewage directly into the ground through PVC pipes. I would like to present case evidence in the following exhibits: One, advertisement for RV for rent; fifteen pictures taken on October 2nd of 2025 taken by Supervisor Palumbo that were shared with me; 20 pictures taken by me on November 20th of 2025; and an aerial photo of the property. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Craig, if you can give me one moment. If you can relay to him -- one of the things that he said that you didn't say was the reason that he was able to go onto the property was because it was determined to be a health-and-safety issue, which is why he was able to enter without permission. If you could let him know that. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Has the respondent seen the photographs and documents? MR. COOPER: Yes, they have. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Does the respondent have any objection to those being entered into evidence? MR. HERRERA SUAREZ: (Through interpreter) No. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: What did he say? MR. TOSCANO: No. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: No objection. Okay. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Make a motion to accept the photos. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Second. November 21, 2025 Page 60 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Okay. MR. COOPER: These pictures were taken by Mr. Palumbo. This is RV 1 in the back of the property with electrical connection. This would be the aerial. Everything seems to be back here and back here. RV, no tag, electrical connection, water system, water connection. This would be a PVC pipe draining into the back of the property. RV with electrical, expired tag, separate PVC pipe draining into the back of the property. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: How big is the property? MR. TOSCANO: Two acres and a half. MR. COOPER: Yeah, two and a half acres. RV 4, A/C unit. So a water system connected to the outside of the vehicle -- RV. PVC connected, electrical, expired tag. The picture's not good, but I can assure you. These are the pictures that I took yesterday for the prehearing inspection. RV 1, expired tag. Second RV, no tag, electrical connection. The interior; it doesn't appear to be occupied at this time. Refrigerator empty. Another RV. Sewage connection not connected. Valid registration for this one, valid tag. November 21, 2025 Page 61 Another RV, interior, personal belongings in the fridge. Sewage not connected. Electrical here. Interior. This would be the last RV. Expired tag. Interior, nothing in the fridge. There doesn't appear to be any personal belongings. And this is the advertisement that was on Facebook. Also the interior. And this was the first one that -- yesterday, it's just demo. There's no one living in this. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I have a question. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: There's nobody living in there. Is there any sewage connection on that one? MR. COOPER: At this time, there's no sewage connection to any of them, as of yesterday. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I have a question. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Who's the legal owner of these trailers? MR. TOSCANO: Yoandy is. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Who's the legal owner -- MR. TOSCANO: Yoandy is. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Of all of them? MR. TOSCANO: Yeah. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Are there tenants living inside? MR. TOSCANO: No. When the inspector went -- went through and saw those pipes, they were just put on. There were no septic. Am I right? When you went, there were no septic. You're the one who sent me to go to the landfill. MR. PALUMBO: There was -- yeah, the PVC connected to the RVs, and they ran to -- (Simultaneous crosstalk.) November 21, 2025 Page 62 MR. PALUMBO: -- the property lines. They were dumping into the -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Hold on -- hold on one second. MR. PALUMBO: And it seemed as if they were dumping out into the open spaces where we had a few of the photos. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Now, I want the County to finish before you ask the respondents any questions. Craig, are you done? MR. COOPER: I'm done presenting my evidence. MR. LETOURNEAU: Just a couple questions for Mr. Palumbo. Right here. MR. PALUMBO: Yes. MR. LETOURNEAU: When you first made the visit -- we saw the pictures of the discharge from the pipes. Could you tell that it was raw sewage or what -- MR. PALUMBO: Yeah. There was signs, like, especially where the water's going to exit the pipe, there was algal growth. It's just, you know, indicative of nutrients and organic matter where, you know, you can see sewage. MR. LETOURNEAU: There was obviously probably a smell to it, too? MR. PALUMBO: There was -- yeah, and a smell to it, and you can see from the patterns in some of the pictures where there's, you know, water movement from sewage effluent. MR. LETOURNEAU: Okay. Thank you. That's it. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: So these -- are all of these usually put for rent or, like, resold, lightly used, hardly owned? MR. TOSCANO: No, they were really to be remodeled and try to see if we could sell them, but, you know, it's just one thing after another. So now we are in the process of trying to get rid of them because it just goes to that point it ain't even worth it. So that's why November 21, 2025 Page 63 he comes in. We've got a lot of inspections going on in the house right now for -- so we'll go through removal and all that, and -- but those -- there, when he went, nobody was living in them. Nobody has lived in them, but we just maintain them with the electricity temporarily and -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Was the electricity provided by a licensed contractor? MR. TOSCANO: We are working on those right now. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: No, no, no. The question is, was the electricity provided by a licensed contractor, yes or no? MR. TOSCANO: No. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: No, okay. The septic pipe that -- the pipe that goes to the septic, was that used at one time? There was somebody -- MR. TOSCANO: Not really, not really, but, you know, when -- you know, we had to clean them up and stuff, you know, you go -- if you have to do No. 1 -- it would be the same thing as just running to the woods. What would be the difference of just doing it there or go to the woods? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: They're both illegal. MR. TOSCANO: For real? I didn't know that. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, you know -- MR. TOSCANO: You know, you all the way -- you know, it's two acres and a half. You all the way in the back and you've got to go, you got to go. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: You've got to run back to the house. MR. TOSCANO: You know, the wife will be really mad if you go to do No. 1. But I did take care -- the inspector asked me. I went to the landfill also for some other stuff. I sent them the pictures of where the ones that were there -- I dig the hole out, and I sent them November 21, 2025 Page 64 the pictures. He asked me to buy these bags, and I sent them the pictures with the bags. I comply with everything he said. And you know what, we -- we're done. Like i told this other inspector, we done. They going to -- they're going. Saturday I've got two leaving. I'm done. You know, I don't need this -- he doesn't need the process of all this, you know. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: So during your inspection, there were not actively being rented? MR. PALUMBO: The Florida Statute that allows us right of entry, we can access the property, but I can't go into private residences. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: So you weren't able to tell at that moment? MR. PALUMBO: I couldn't go into the door or anything, but there was nobody outside. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: And then, Craig, you went, and you did not witness anybody living in them? MR. COOPER: Yesterday I did not. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: That was your first inspection yesterday? MR. COOPER: It was the first -- first time in a while. I've been on the property for a previous code case for the exact same thing. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: And they were rented? MR. COOPER: I believe they were, but when I had the reinspection a week later, there was no one living there. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: So it's -- it's an interesting case because I can't get testimony saying that there's somebody actively living there. So I guess my question is -- and I'm just asking to learn here. How does it become a health-and-safety issue if nobody's currently residing in the RVs -- or in the trailers and if they have PVC hooked up, but it's only maybe to work on this trailer? How do we November 21, 2025 Page 65 go forward and let's say there's a violation? MR. TOSCANO: Can I say something? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: No. I'm asking him a question. Give me a moment. MR. LETOURNEAU: I just -- so, Mr. Palumbo, every one of these -- there was five trailers, correct? Every one of them had a sewer discharge on them? MR. PALUMBO: Three of the five. MR. LETOURNEAU: Three of the five. And three of the five had evidence of some sewage coming through them? MR. PALUMBO: Yeah. Either, you know, remnants in the PVC or, you know, right at the drop-off of where the PVCs, you know, exiting. MR. LETOURNEAU: So we have an advertisement for renting RVs in the rear property. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: We have. MR. LETOURNEAU: We can't get in there, but we do have also evidence of sewage coming out of three of the trailers. I find it ludicrous that these guys are going to stand on the ground, that they're running back there and, you know, going to the bathroom in these, and they're not being rented. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Don't mistake my question to you. MR. LETOURNEAU: But we're here for -- we have circumstantial evidence, yes. We don't -- we can't -- we can't say that there were people renting in there by actually observing it, but we're asking you to find a violation by the circumstantial evidence surrounding this violation. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: I have a question. They requested that they mediate the sewage drop-off on the three, and they complied. November 21, 2025 Page 66 MR. PALUMBO: Correct. They removed the top layer of the soil to get to a landfill, and then the rest was lime to the area. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. I have a question. These are all unlicensed. MR. TOSCANO: What do you mean by that? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: They have no -- the registration. MR. TOSCANO: Yeah, they did. They're registered, but we haven't -- well, he hasn't renewed the tag anymore because we're getting rid of them. He's getting rid of them. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So they were unlicensed? MR. TOSCANO: Oh, they had -- they had tags on them. Were they not -- the tag has not been pulled for this year. MR. COOPER: One of them had a current tag and registration. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: One out of six? MR. COOPER: Out of the five. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Out of five. So four did not have active registrations. MR. COOPER: Correct. MR. TOSCANO: Well, the tags were on them. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: If the registration's not active, I don't care what's on them. They're either registered or they're not. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Question. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Does the owner have other trailers in other parts of Collier County with the similar type of operation? MR. TOSCANO: No. No, Your Honor. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: This is the only place. MR. HERRERA SUAREZ: (Through interpreter) No. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: No. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. So the County is saying that November 21, 2025 Page 67 you had unregistered vehicles on the property, one, and, No. 2, the -- your title again? MR. PALUMBO: Supervisor for the Florida Department of Health in Collier County. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Saying that they were being -- the bathrooms were being -- not in all of the units were being used at some point in time, and you're cleaning them out on the ground. MR. TOSCANO: Well, I really wasn't, like, cleaning them out but just to have the water near. I just put the pipes, you know, to clean the system, you know. But it was nothing really -- it was nothing really coming out of that, you know. They were clean. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I do got one question about the electrical being ran, because I guess that would kind of help us determine, right? If we have electricity being provided to these RVs and they don't have a permit, where is the electricity ran from? Is it the main house through an extension cord? What are we doing here? Do we got any -- MR. COOPER: Well, there's a large circuit breaker, which isn't permitted. But I believe they're in the process of doing that. MR. TOSCANO: Yes, we are. Yes, we are on that. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: That's fine. So let's go ahead and -- we've heard enough. I'm going to make a motion that a violation does exist. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I second it. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I third. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. A violation does exist, and I'm going to go to Craig and ask if he has a suggestion for us on this case. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: So the violation is also written here as unlicensed recreational vehicles being occupied in the back. November 21, 2025 Page 68 And maybe we can't see that they're being occupied, but they're unlicensed recreational vehicles. Every tag must be renewed -- MR. TOSCANO: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: -- to be current. MR. TOSCANO: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: So regardless, no matter what, a violation was going to be found here today. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And then there's a violation of the electrical -- it wasn't noticed -- I don't know why it wasn't in this blurb. The electrical was done -- MR. COOPER: It's a separate case. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Never mind. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Got it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. TOSCANO: Your Honor, can I say something? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Go ahead. MR. TOSCANO: We -- when he -- you know, we are in the process of getting rid of them. So tomorrow I've got two that are -- they're going to go. I've got one that is in the process of -- I'm just going to get them out -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: If they're gone by the time -- before your hearing, you can come back and can show it to us, and we'll abate it. No problem. MR. TOSCANO: We're getting rid of them. They are -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: But regardless, as of right now, the violation exists. So if you can fix it after the fact -- MR. TOSCANO: Yeah. Because, you know, it's just going on, and we've got other inspections going in the house. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Let me hear your solution on this. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you want to vote on the motion? November 21, 2025 Page 69 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Excuse me? THE COURT REPORTER: Do you want to call the motion? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I thought we did. THE COURT REPORTER: You had a motion and second. You didn't call it. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: But we didn't call it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Now we called it. Craig. MR. COOPER: Recommendation: That the Code Enforcement Board orders the respondent to pay all operational costs in the amount of $59.42 incurred in the prosecution of this case within 30 days and abate all violations by: One, cease the residential occupancy of recreational vehicles on the property which is not a permitted accessory or conditional use in the zoning district within blank days of this hearing, or a fine of blank will be imposed for each day any violation continues; Two, repairing and affixing a current valid license plate to each vehicle in violation or store these vehicles in a completely enclosed structure or remove these vehicles to an area intended for such use within blank days, or a fine of blank will be imposed for each day any violation continues; Three, the respondent must notify the Code Enforcement November 21, 2025 Page 70 investigator when the violation has been abated in order to conduct a final inspection to confirm abatement. If the respondent fails to abate the violation, the County may abate the violation using any method to bring the violation into compliance and may use the assistance of the Collier County Sheriff's Office to enforce the provisions of this order, and all cost of abatement shall be assessed to the property owner. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Anybody want to try to fill in the blanks? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Well, I have a question. Right now you saw that all five of them are currently empty? MR. COOPER: Yesterday they were -- they did not appear to be occupied. MR. TOSCANO: You got the pictures there. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Go ahead. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: So Part 1 is irrelevant at this point? MR. LETOURNEAU: For the record, Jeff Letourneau, Collier County Code Enforcement. I think the County at this point would ask, rather than making them abate a violation that is no longer there, to have a finding of fact that the violation existed at the time the NOV was served. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Well, the only problem is -- MR. LETOURNEAU: That's a good question, Kathleen. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: -- off of a Facebook post, you know. MR. NOELL: There's other -- there's evidence. Rather than just the Facebook post, there's the evidence of the electrical, things like that. So if the Board wants to, the Board can certainly make a finding of the violation and then also motion -- I think it would need to be in the form of a motion that the violation has been timely abated, and so that would do away with No. 1 because it's been timely abated. November 21, 2025 Page 71 BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: The no occupancy. MR. NOELL: (Nods head.) BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Question: Craig, is -- the electric is just hooked up with a panel? It's not done to code? MR. COOPER: There's been no permit pulled for the electrical. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Or the water or anything? MR. COOPER: Correct. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: So whoever was living there was sort of on their own. MR. COOPER: You'd have to ask the respondents. MR. TOSCANO: Can I say something? We're working also to get the electrical permit on that also because we're going to eventually build something in the back. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Do you have a permit number? MR. TOSCANO: No, I'm saying we're going to do that. We haven't done it. We haven't done it, but it's going to be done because we're working with everything -- since everything's going on at the same time with vegetation, the driveway, we're getting all these permits, the fencing. MR. LETOURNEAU: We're not here on the electric right now. We're just here on the -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I understand. MR. LETOURNEAU: -- occupation. Okay. MR. TOSCANO: We're working on that. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: License plates. So if I were to make a motion, I would agree that the occupancy is not proven. Number 2, the license plates, they're still not on -- MR. NOELL: Right. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- so that's in violation. November 21, 2025 Page 72 MR. NOELL: Yep. Your motion would be -- if it -- and consistent with the previous motion would be that the occupancy violation did exist but was timely abated, but the vehicles remain unlicensed, and then that would -- the compliance under Part 2. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: My only question -- the only part -- again, I'm just -- how do we -- how can we say it existed without proof? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It's no different than if there's a parking violation and somebody moves the car tomorrow; it was a violation -- MR. LETOURNEAU: I have a solution. If you guys -- you know, certain members of the Board are having heartburn on whether or not there was a violation of the living part of it. Could they -- Kevin, could they take separate votes on the violations, whether or not they're in violation? MR. NOELL: Give me one second, because I want to look at -- BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: While he's doing that -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I think we can do separate votes. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I'd like to ask Craig another question. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I'm just trying to get educated. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: In your opinion, does a health-and-safety violation exist at that property today? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: It does because -- MR. COOPER: Yes, it does. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: -- no permit, electrical, so that part, yes. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: We're only talking about No. 1, and I'm just trying to pick Kevin's brain, maybe Jeff's, just to kind November 21, 2025 Page 73 of learn and see how do we go about that part. MR. NOELL: The Board -- the Board weighs the evidence. So as Mr. Letourneau correctly pointed out to the Board, there's circumstantial evidence of -- that indicates but is not definitive of possible occupancy. There's the electrical hookups. There's testimony you heard about raw sewage that was present. So that is circumstantial evidence. You have to make the determination of if that is sufficient to find that there was a violation in the occupancy, but now that's been timely abated because the pictures show that no one's living in there. The issue, then, would still remain on the unlicensed status -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Of course -- MR. NOELL: -- of those vehicles. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: -- and the permits, yeah. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. The occupancy, to use your language, it was -- the circumstantial evidence indicates that that was occupied at some point in time, but if we gave them, for instance, 30 days to resolve the situation, it's resolved. So there would be no fine in that case anyhow. Is that clear? MR. NOELL: Well, the only -- the only issue is that the evidence showed that -- there was no evidence showing that it was not abated. The evidence presented by the County was of the pictures of no occupancy currently as of yesterday in those vehicles. So I would say finding that the violation existed but it was timely abated but the unlicensed issue still remains. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Go ahead. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I guess it's just hard. He's saying it's not. They're saying at one point it was. We've got -- you know, that part is hard for me only because I don't have clear -- and I'm the first one to bring down the ban hammer, right? But this one's hard because I don't have anything clear. I have circumstantial stuff. November 21, 2025 Page 74 So I'm just -- these are my thoughts. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That's Item 1. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Only 1. That's the only one I'm talking about. Everything else I'm in total agreement with. Yes, we've got violations that are unlicensed. They should have been, you know, renewed. We've got the next hearing regarding the electrical panel, right? That's brought to us today. MR. COOPER: It's a separate case. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Today? MR. COOPER: No, not today. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Can we just drop the 1 off of it? Just draw a line through 1 and go with 2 and whatever? MR. NOELL: If the Board finds that there was occupancy but it was timely abated, that issue was timely abated. One is moot because 1's already been complied with. MR. LETOURNEAU: Yeah, but we don't -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You want a finding of fact so the -- MR. LETOURNEAU: The County wants a finding of fact. That's what I'm saying, if you guys want to just vote on that one, whether or not it was a violation, we'll change the recommendation just to have 2 on that. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah. MR. LETOURNEAU: But we're asking for a finding of fact that it was a violation. And then I want to remind the Board that this isn't a criminal court. You don't need -- you know, what is the threshold for a criminal court compared to a -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Clear and present -- MR. LETOURNEAU: Yeah, there's a lesser threshold for Code Enforcement. MR. NOELL: It's a preponderance of the evidence, meaning it's more likely than not is the standard that -- the evidence at this point. November 21, 2025 Page 75 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And the ad that was placed that you found that was denied by the respondent, you have that ad? MR. LETOURNEAU: Correct. And let me also say that when we do these cases, nine times out of 10, the property owner does not allow us on the property or says, "Can you come back in a week, and I'll meet you here." Well, in that week time, they can do all sorts of plotting and planning. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: You already won the argument with the last statement Kevin made about -- MR. LETOURNEAU: Okay. All right. I'm just trying to embellish our -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: -- you know, threshold. And that's what I'm asking. Give me some education where I can sit here and say, "Okay. That's what we're looking for." You've provided me that education. Now we know what that threshold is. It's now we can make a ruling that, yes, perhaps based on that -- at some point it did. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: One applies but it's been resolved at this meeting. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Now I've learned today. Now we know. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. As far as the rest of the suggestion... BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: The licenses. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: The license. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: I have a question. How many currently are unlicensed? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Five out of -- four out of six -- I'm sorry, four out of the five. November 21, 2025 Page 76 MR. TOSCANO: We just -- they just need to be renewed, but we're getting rid them. This is what I could do. (Simultaneous crosstalk.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It doesn't matter what you're going to do. It's what it is. MR. TOSCANO: I understand, I understand. But it's -- you know, it's -- they're not movable. That's a waste of money. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: There are five total recreational vehicles. Only one of them has a current plate at this time. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Okay. So -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: The electrical panel that's not permitted is not going to be before us today. Craig says that that's a case that they're dealing with but will not be presented today. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: All right. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Let's just go with what we have -- BOARD MEMBER ELROD: So we have four violations. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yeah. Well, it's one violation for four units. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Correct. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So it doesn't matter if it's four, five, or 20. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Okay. So on No. 2, a violation exists. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Excuse me? BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: All right. Question to the Chair: Is there another case pending somewhere regarding the health and safety? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That's what -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Craig just said it's not coming November 21, 2025 Page 77 before us today for the electrical panel, but they are dealing with it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: To answer your question, yes. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Yes. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: So the -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Let's go back to the motion. The words that you used, Kevin, that the preponderance of the evidence indicated that a violation for occupancy did exist at a time, then it's been resolved. MR. NOELL: And it's been -- it's been partially abated -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Abated. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Abated. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. NOELL: -- because there's no longer occupancy. But the unlicensed status remains on those vehicles. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And the reason for that is should this happen again, it's on the record, and that would be a second violation. MR. LETOURNEAU: That's correct. That's why the County wants this on the record. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. So that's on the record in my motion. The license plates being updated, registered, whatever, all of that to occur within 30 days. MR. TOSCANO: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: He's right here right now. He can do it today. He could do it today. He's here right now. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Do you think I should modify that to -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I think it should be 15. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- 15 days? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: He's here right now. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Fifteen days to take care of November 21, 2025 Page 78 the license plates and registration. MR. TOSCANO: Oh, okay. All right, Your Honor. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Hold it, not done. $59.42 to be paid within 30 days of this hearing. That's the court costs. MR. TOSCANO: Okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. And any further cases we'll hear in the future. MS. BUCHILLON: What about the fine a day? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: The fine per day is $200 a day. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: After 15. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Before we vote, I have a -- before we vote on that, I have a question. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Sure. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: What's your intentions to do with these -- with this property and the trailers going forward? MR. TOSCANO: We're trying to get rid of them, but, you know, we've got two right now they're going to go but, you know, with the money we spent on those trailers, to let them go, pocket change. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: So you're not -- you're not going to rent them in the future? MR. TOSCANO: No, they're getting rid of them, Your Honor. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: So you don't need any electric or you don't need any water there? MR. TOSCANO: Yeah, I know. I know. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Is that right? MR. TOSCANO: Yep. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: No, no, no. That's not what you stated earlier. MR. TOSCANO: No, no, no. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: You've got to tell Lee exactly November 21, 2025 Page 79 what it's going to be because he's going to remember this. MR. TOSCANO: On the electrical -- I'm sorry. On the electrical, it's permits. We're working on that, on the electrical. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. That's -- BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: But why do you need electric if you're going to remove all the trailers? What's the electric for? MR. TOSCANO: We've got -- we're going to have -- we've got trucks, and we also got -- we're going to probably build a shed in the back and, you know... CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That's a different case. MR. IANDIMARINO: If I may, over here. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. MR. IANDIMARINO: Tom Iandimarino, director. Mr. Rubenstein, if they want to have electricity in the back of their property, they're legally allowed to have it permitted. If they get it permitted, whether they use it for -- whatever their -- they want to have an RV in the back for their own personal use that they're not renting out or if they want to have a shed, that's perfectly okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Or a stereo, whatever. MR. IANDIMARINO: I understand your -- (Simultaneous crosstalk.) MR. TOSCANO: A little bit of music. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: But not -- let me finish. But not hookups for individual trailers going forward. MR. IANDIMARINO: Your train of thought -- sir, if I may. I understand your train of thought, but it is taking it outside the scope of where we are right now. So let's please stay -- stay onto the task that we have, and we'll worry about that on a different case, please. Thank you, sir. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: There is a motion, correct? November 21, 2025 Page 80 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. I have a motion. I have a second. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Okay. So you understand. MR. TOSCANO: I've got fifteen days. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: 59.42 to be paid within 30 days, get all of the things registered, or whatever you have to do, within 30 days -- excuse me -- 15 days. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Fifteen days. MR. TOSCANO: Fifteen days. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Fifteen days. And you're working on the other stuff that you're in contact with them. MR. TOSCANO: Okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: You can register those plates today downstairs to your left as you exit the building. MR. NOELL: Did you say it was a $50 fine if they don't within -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: No, it's 200 per day. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: 200 a day. MR. NOELL: Thank you. MR. TOSCANO: That's after the 15th, right? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: After the 15 days, okay? November 21, 2025 Page 81 MR. TOSCANO: Thank you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So if you get everything done now -- MR. TOSCANO: I'll take care of it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- you're all set. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: And then call him and make sure he comes out to see. MR. TOSCANO: Oh, I'll call here. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And thank you for interpreting everything so quickly. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: There's nothing to come into compliance with. MR. TOSCANO: Thank you, guys. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: He does. He has to get the licenses. MR. TOSCANO: Thank you, guys. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Thank you. MR. TOSCANO: Have a nice Christmas. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You, too. Okay. Helen, what's for lunch? MS. BUCHILLON: Not yet. Next case, under old business, motion for imposition of fines and liens, No. 4, CESD20210004950, Carlos Valdes and Dulce Valdes. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Good morning. I don't think we've met you before. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. MR. MARINOS: One other time. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: One other time, okay. MS. BUCHILLON: And this one has a speaker. You have the form. November 21, 2025 Page 82 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: 4950? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes, it is. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MS. DULCE VALDES: Yes. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Yes. MR. JOSEPH: I do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. And if you'd give us your names on the mic. MS. DULCE VALDES: Dulce Valdes. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: And Christina Valdes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. You're the speakers. MS. DULCE VALDES: Yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Is the respondent present? MR. JOSEPH: Yes. One speaker, one respondent. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: This is Dulce Valdes, right? MR. JOSEPH: Yes. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: 4950. MR. JOSEPH: Dulce Valdes is on the right, your left. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Do you want to read this into the record for us, please. MR. JOSEPH: Yes. For the record, Don Joseph, Collier County Code Enforcement. Past orders: On January 27th, 2022, the Code Enforcement Board issued a findings of fact, conclusions of law and order. The respondent was found in violation of the referenced ordinances and ordered to correct the violation. See the attached order of the Board, OR6095, Page 3275, for more information. On July 28th, 2022, April 27th, 2023, January 25th, 2024, and November 21, 2025 Page 83 July 25th, 2024, the Court -- the Code Enforcement Board granted a continuance. The violation has not been abated as of November 21st, 2025. Fines and costs to date are as follows: Fines have accrued at a rate of $200 per day for the period from May 28th, 2022, to November 21st, 2025, 1,274 days, for a total fine amount of $254,800. Fines continue to accrue. Previously assessed operational costs of 59.28, 59.35, 59.77, and 59.98 have been paid. Operational costs for today's hearing, $60.12. Total amount $254,860.12. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Oh, boy. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. The respondent. MS. DULCE VALDES: Good morning. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: This is that restaurant that you have out there, correct? MS. DULCE VALDES: Yes, sir. It sure is. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah. MS. DULCE VALDES: I apologize. I get so nervous. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Do you mind if I just take over? Thank you, guys. It's been a little difficult. This is my first time here, so kind of bear with me a little bit. So I apologize if I'm a little bit nervous or scattered. But knowing that I'm under oath is a good thing because I wasn't sure if my witness testimony would count. And basically I'm here to just -- you know, my purpose is to serve as a witness and a person involved in this really long-term -- what seems on paper as a long-term issue. That being said, I've been privy to Dulce's personal business life and can attest to her hard work ethic, dedication, and specifically to this matter. November 21, 2025 Page 84 I realize that on paper, as does she, that this issue may seem long term and potentially create a false perception of negligence, but that couldn't be further from the truth. I don't know if you guys received a binder. I wasn't aware that was allowed -- this wasn't an evidence type of hearing, but in there there's also a lot of invoices and emails, correspondence. And long story short, continuous efforts to bring this property into full compliance. There's been over $145,000 put towards six different vendors, engineers, attorneys. Financial hardship, as I've realized in this court today, is an issue. Everybody that comes up here, it seems to be a problem. That's obviously not something that she's neglected. It's been a lot of things that she's tried to satisfy over time. And again, I'm here -- I'm a little nervous because I know she wasn't going to be able to speak. And I'm like, "I don't know what I'm doing here, but I'm going to try to help you in whatever way I can." That being said, if you -- MS. DULCE VALDES: I just want to say something. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Go ahead. MS. DULCE VALDES: I understand that Code Enforcement doesn't see any progress, but Margaret Emblidge, which is the engineer that I just hired -- I didn't just hire her. She's been working on this for some time -- she's supposed to answer some of the situations that we have that we've been processing and cleaning up, because in the midst of this, when this all started, I sold the restaurant. I haven't been able to close on that because -- because of these issues. The young man that bought the restaurant decided to build a ramp and change the seatings. Never told me. That created chaos for the engineer because now when she presents the paperwork, the November 21, 2025 Page 85 paperwork comes back and says this is not what we have on file, because he did this without anybody knowing. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: When did you sell it? MS. DULCE VALDES: Three seasons ago. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Three years ago. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Three years ago. MS. DULCE VALDES: It's going to be -- this is going to be the fourth season that they're starting. We only do seasons. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You didn't sell it. You tried to sell it. MS. DULCE VALDES: Yes, sir. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: But that would have been after the Code Enforcement -- MS. DULCE VALDES: Yes, sir. Thinking that it's going to be okay, go through the process. You just have to go through the process, do what you have to do, and everything's going to be okay. Well, the situation came up where now I need -- not now. I need a site development -- first, I asked for a vaca of the easement. Hired Mr. Lombardo two years into this. The City said, "No, we're not going to give it to you." Application's in, money's in, "We're not going to give you the vaca." That threw a wrench in because now -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Talk into the microphone, please. MS. DULCE VALDES: Now I have to do a Site Development Plan -- MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Which you had submitted. MS. DULCE VALDES: -- which I have. Three different engineer companies. Ian -- or Inay [sic] comes in. Every engineer skips Chokoloskee, comes into Naples and says, "This is my priority." I understand. There's not a lot of money, and they need to take care of the bigger pictures here for their office. I understand November 21, 2025 Page 86 that. But that slows down the process, and the Site Development Plan, which is -- has answered all the stipulations for the Code Enforcement Board. It's taken some time for the second. The engineer now wants another $20,000 to present this. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: After receiving 60-. MS. DULCE VALDES: After receiving 60-. So this is a very difficult situation. I want to fix this. I've never been in a predicament like this before. Twenty years of hard work. I hate to bring Tom into this, but Mr. Thomas has been at my place. It's a respectable, healthy place for this tiny little town, and all I wanted to do was to make it look nice. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: I think, ultimately, too, what -- in regards to the -- to the last two county review letters for May 5th and May 8th, she'd like to show in the binder -- I don't know what tab you can go to, but ultimately she has engaged in all of these efforts, and we're just waiting at this point for the engineers. And, you know, timing is on their part. Like, she's done her due diligence. Given the history, given hardships, hurricanes, there's a lot of -- a million reasons why things can get delayed, but in regard to those specific letters, she submitted the two submittals that were needed -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Let me interrupt you a bit. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Sure. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: At this stage we have a case in front of us -- MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- and it says, "This violation has not been abated," which means to us we have a choice of two things: To impose the fine, a fine, whatever that fine is. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Big fine. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Number 2 -- or we can impose it, November 21, 2025 Page 87 because that's all -- that's the only decision we have. The case was heard before. Many, many times intentions were given, et cetera. Now, the fine is -- to say it's high is -- MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Underrated, understated. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Understated to say the least. MS. DULCE VALDES: But you also understand that every time that I have come up to the Board, I have -- it has been with progress. People have been hired. The request has been denied. Like the vacating of the easement, that was denied. I have to start a whole new process again. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Ms. Valdes. MS. DULCE VALDES: Yes, sir. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: We -- I do remember the case. And yes, you're right, every time you've come, we've given time, we have. And I feel for you. I just -- at some point, the Code Enforcement Board becomes -- we just -- we can't be the stop here, right? Like, we have to move forward. MS. DULCE VALDES: But I am moving forward. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I'm not saying you're not, but you can't keep coming here. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Right. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Because we have about a five-year case going on six now, since 2021. MS. DULCE VALDES: I don't want to come here. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I know you don't. I'm not saying you do. What I'm saying is we may have to impose this only for you to deal with your process to try to get it resolved. It's going to take its time. MS. DULCE VALDES: But I can promise you -- MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Can she pause it? Is there any way -- can she -- November 21, 2025 Page 88 MS. DULCE VALDES: -- that I'm almost, almost there. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Can she ask for a pause? She's literally at the end -- tail of this. MS. DULCE VALDES: I really, really am. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Let me ask this question then. And how long do you think this would be? Because if this had come back and said, "It has been abated," it gives the Board a lot more leeway. So how long do you think until this -- I mean, this is going on for years. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Well, this is -- MS. DULCE VALDES: I understand that, but it also has to do with an island where it's very difficult to get people to work there. Again, you guys had Ian. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Not my question. My question is, how long -- give me two days? Ten days? MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: What's the maximum? MS. DULCE VALDES: Well, what's happening is for Ms. Margaret Emblidge, the engineer, to give the last paperwork into the Code Enforcement or the trans [sic] department, the Site Development Plan -- MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Is that the final submittal? MS. DULCE VALDES: That's the final. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: So that's the final after 145,000. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. And forget the money for now. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Right, right. The timeline that you're stating is kind of dependent on the engineer and an additional 20,000, so what she's saying is the hardship. What is the maximum time allowed? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Has the engineer given you a time frame when that would be done? November 21, 2025 Page 89 MS. DULCE VALDES: She gave me a bill for additional time. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: She said when she pays her an additional 20,000 for that last submittal which is, you know, financial -- I know it's -- again -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: When she pays the bill -- finish the sentence. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: If she pays the $20,000 to the -- MS. DULCE VALDES: Which I'm going to. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: -- engineer, which she plans on doing. MS. DULCE VALDES: I plan to. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: So I guess his question is when. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: When? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: When did you receive that bill? MS. DULCE VALDES: I have -- it's in the binder. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Less than a week. Was it a week ago? MS. DULCE VALDES: No. I think it was last month, she -- we were -- we've been doing a lot of back and forth, Zoom meetings; what are we going to do? How are we going to change this? And then on the last one she said, "Dulce, I have to give you another bill. There's more things that need to be fixed based on the Code Enforcement file." CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Let me -- has the engineer been in contact with you at all? MR. JOSEPH: No. MS. DULCE VALDES: And that was sad, because when I ran into him this morning, he thought we weren't doing anything. I actually have a thread of emails that show that the engineer has been working on this. I'm almost at the end of this. November 21, 2025 Page 90 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: The engineer has been working on this with whom? MS. DULCE VALDES: With me and Code Enforcement trying to give them back the answers that they need. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I just asked him, "Has the engineer been in contact with you?" Has the -- MR. JOSEPH: I was mistaken. About a -- after the last continue -- you guys gave a 365-day continuance in July of -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: July 25th. MR. JOSEPH: -- '24, yeah. About a month after that I did receive an email from Margaret stating that she had been -- she would be moving forward trying to get the SDP done. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Once the STP is done -- SDP, is that it? MS. DULCE VALDES: No. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, what else has to be done? MS. DULCE VALDES: Then I have to close the permits. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: She has to go through the CO process. MS. DULCE VALDES: And I can't close the permits until that's done. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I understand that. I understand that. MR. JOSEPH: Once the Site Development Plan is approved, then they would have to apply for the permits. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: And go through that. I mean, at this point, Tom, what do you -- what is Code Enforcement's -- I mean, you know, we've clearly given her a lot of time. I'm curious to see what Code has to say. MR. IANDIMARINO: You know, I understand -- for the record, Tom Iandimarino, Code Enforcement director. I understand both sides. I see what's happening. The -- to November 21, 2025 Page 91 continue this in the Board's venue -- at some point she's going to have to apply for code lien relief eventually, and it may be best to just allow this to go -- impose, let it go. She can continue to come into compliance, and in looking at the math on the back end, she may be better off asking for code lien relief from the five individuals that are elected to sit up there where you guys are versus coming through you to get it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: The Commission. They have their -- MR. IANDIMARINO: They have their processes in place to reduce that fine considerably than what it is now based on the value of the property on the back end, as the other attorney stated earlier today in their defense. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: And, Ms. Valdes, that's what I'm trying to elaborate here. I just -- I think it would be beneficial for you to do your process still, but for you to keep coming here is just -- the fines are still accumulating. We're just wasting your time coming here. Because you've got to go through your process regardless. Once you abate it, as Tom, the director, said, you have a process where you can go and try to apply for alleviating those numbers. And he did say the word, you know -- MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: So at the moment, would you guys -- are you guys able to pause this so they don't continue? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: We cannot. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: No. Okay. So we're past that stage? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah, unfortunately. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Okay. MS. DULCE VALDES: Now I do -- what did you mention, Christina? November 21, 2025 Page 92 MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: So the Site Development Plan, which is what they're waiting on, is completed. It's done. The revisions are made. It's all a matter of her not submitting it until she gets paid an additional 20,000 on top of the 60- she's already received. So that's where we're at. If we can get her to work with us in that -- MS. DULCE VALDES: Which I asked. It's a no. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It looks like -- it looks like the best way for you to go, listening to Tom and to John, is we impose it, you pay your 20,000 or whatever to get the engineer off your back, and then you go to the Commissioners and they have a process to reduce the fine dramatically, okay? And I think that might be your best way. Because you just keep on coming back here. Instead of being 254,000, it will be 300,000 or whatever. So it just doesn't make any sense. Those are the people. You can make your suggestion to them. I'm sure they will listen and act accordingly. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: And from the beginning we've understood. We feel for you. We understand. That's why we've been so lenient with giving you continuance dates to come back, but what we're also suggesting now is not to hurt you or to go against you. It's more like, "Hey" -- MS. DULCE VALDES: I never think that. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah, just do your process, and then you can have the option, like he said, to go to the Commissioners and apply for that substantially reduced number. But coming here, we're just inflicting you more harm by constantly coming back, because you need your time. You need your time. So I think it would be best that we make a motion to impose the fines. We understand you're going through a lot. But that way when you're done, you have your options. November 21, 2025 Page 93 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Do you want to make a motion? BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I'll make a motion. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Go ahead. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I make a motion that the fine of $254,860.12 plus today's cost of 60.12 be enforced. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Imposed? BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Imposed. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. I second it. Okay. All in favor? BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MS. BUCHILLON: Just for the record, fines continue to accrue. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That's correct. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: So they can't be paused? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: No, they can't be paused. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: No, unfortunately. MS. DULCE VALDES: Wow. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Ms. Valdes, again, we're not trying to -- BOARD MEMBER ELROD: But there is a process. When you're done, there is a process to go to the Commissioners and get it -- get them waived. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: So basically, give it like this -- November 21, 2025 Page 94 BOARD MEMBER ELROD: There's still a process. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: And I do feel very sad at this -- because I remember the case. Right now it's no different than the fines accumulating today, tomorrow, and after tomorrow. That stays the same whether we decided to give you another day or two. The only difference here is that once you're done fixing this -- and I do recommend you continue to try to fix this. MS. DULCE VALDES: Absolutely. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Once you're done, you're just going to apply for to appeal it or reduce it. That's all you're doing. It's no different than coming here. But that way you don't have to keep coming every month. Focus on your problem. Get it resolved and then come in front of the Commissioners and tell them everything you've told us, and I believe you'd be quite okay, you know. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Yeah. I mean, she's obviously done -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: We know. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: She's not waiting to leave it. She wouldn't try to hire all these -- spend that kind of money to not comply. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah. And I don't want to see her cry just -- we're not doing this -- just me, I think this is the better -- MS. DULCE VALDES: Oh, no. It's just that I'm nervous. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: -- route, I really do. I really do. MS. DULCE VALDES: I get very, very nervous when it looks like I'm not doing anything. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: No, we're not saying that at all. We understand what kind of case this was. November 21, 2025 Page 95 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Unfortunately, the engineer isn't sharing what she's done with Code Enforcement. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Right. Or the attorney or anybody else. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Correct. So -- MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Because he could have sought that a long time ago. Couldn't he have paused these fines in the beginning of all this or asked for something more? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, they don't pause it. They give you additional time to get it done. So that's what has been going on here for the past -- since January 27th, '22. MS. DULCE VALDES: It just seems that every time I'm almost there, it's just, like, another complication because it's Chokoloskee. It's so -- Chokoloskee is so complicated. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: Yeah. I mean, even asking for public records, you've got to go through Lee County. They don't have it. It's a nightmare. MS. DULCE VALDES: Chokoloskee belonged to Monroe County. Lee County held the records. Lee County doesn't fax -- give us anything. It's just a very, very complicated problem -- it's a problem. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Do you know who your Commissioner is? MS. DULCE VALDES: Yes, sir, I do, and I have reached out to him. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Who is that? MS. DULCE VALDES: McDaniel. Yes, sir. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MS. CHRISTINA VALDES: That's a big fine. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I would go back to McDaniel so that you can start the wheels rolling saying you came before Code November 21, 2025 Page 96 Enforcement. You understand that there is a process that the County Commission will be able to listen, once you get into compliance, to resolve the situation. So you should -- don't lose any sleep over this. MS. DULCE VALDES: Oh, I have. It's too late for that. It's terrible. This is absolutely terrible. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: What's terrible is a toothache. This is not a toothache. MR. IANDIMARINO: Mr. Chairman, if I may? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. MR. IANDIMARINO: We voted already. If you'd like, I could -- be glad to meet you outside and go over the process once you're into compliance. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Thank you, Tom. Appreciate that. Okay. MS. DULCE VALDES: Okay. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Please. MR. JOSEPH: Thank you. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Good luck. MS. DULCE VALDES: Merry Christmas. Thank you so much, Kathleen. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: People are abandoning a sinking ship. Helen, what's next? MS. BUCHILLON: Next, we're still under motion for imposition of fines and liens, No. 6, CESD20230007234, Livia Liste. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: What's the number again? I -- MS. BUCHILLON: Number 6. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. CAMPA: Good morning. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning. Could you state your name on the microphone for us, please. November 21, 2025 Page 97 MR. CAMPA: Manuel Campa. MS. LISTE: Livia Liste. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I'd have you swear them in, but everybody seems to have disappeared. Well, that's a good start. MR. HOLMES: I misestimated time. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. HOLMES: I do. MR. CAMPA: I swear. MS. LISTE: Yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Well, let's start out by reading the case into the record for us. MR. HOLMES: All right. For the record, Bradley Holmes, Collier County Code Enforcement. Past orders: On January 25th, 2024, the Code Enforcement Board issued a findings of fact, conclusion of law and order. The respondent was found in violation of the referenced ordinances and ordered to correct the violation. See the attached order of the Board, OR6329, Page 1068, for more information. On May 23rd, 2024, the Code Enforcement Board issued a -- or granted an extension of time. On January 23rd, 2025, the Code Enforcement Board granted a continuance. Violation has not been abated as of November 21st, 2025. Fines and costs to date are as follows: Fines have accrued at a rate of $200 per day for the period from November 24th, 2024, to November 21st, 2025, 363 days, for a total fine amount of $72,600. Fines continue to accrue. Previously assessed operational costs of $59.28 and $59.42 have been paid. Previously assessed operational costs of $59.49 have been November 21, 2025 Page 98 paid. Operational costs for today's hearing, $59.70. Total amount $72,659.70. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: 72,659 point? MR. HOLMES: Seven zero. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. All right. This is taking a while. Whatever. This was an unpermitted addition to the rear portion of the residential structure. MR. CAMPA: Yes, Your Honor. I'm going to translate for her. So I just wanted to state I'm translating. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Have you been sworn in as a translator? MR. CAMPA: No. I didn't state it. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm you will translate everything from English into Spanish and Spanish into English to the best of your ability? MR. CAMPA: Yes, I do. I'm sorry. I lost -- after all this, I lost the question that you just asked. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. CAMPA: Sorry about that. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: This started a long time ago. MR. CAMPA: Um-hmm. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: January we heard the case, time was given to resolve it, didn't happen, we granted additional time, and it's still not done. We are here -- we are here today to do one of two things: Impose the fine or grant additional time until you can get this done. So my question to the respondent is: Why is this taking so much time? MR. HOLMES: Please have her speak into the microphone. MR. CAMPA: Last time she was here, she went through some November 21, 2025 Page 99 modifications on the permits to go back to the original plans that she was [sic] submitted, and it's now been approved November 19th of the past week, the new project of the lands. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I'm not sure I understand. Bradley, can you help me on this? MR. HOLMES: Yes. They opted to revise their original permit. The original permit was applied for on December -- or excuse me -- January 23rd of '24. I'm guessing that for some reason the original plan wasn't going to pan out for one reason or another, so they revised that permit. That permit revision was approved and then reissued, essentially, on the 19th of this month. So now they're ready to start work. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: What is the difference? MR. CAMPA: I'll be able to answer because she's my fiancée, and we live -- she's the lucky one. We're living together, so I've been through the whole process. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. What is the difference between the original permit and what you just did on the 19th of November? MR. CAMPA: That's a good question, and I'm right to the point on that. First, when we first submitted the changes, the difference in the amount of money that the contractor was charging her was a big, big difference. Now we have a new company that the difference is so little that she decided to go back to the original plan, which is what she originally wants to do it in the house. So now we ready to start with the original plans. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: With a new permit? MR. CAMPA: With the new permits, yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. So originally this was an addition to the rear of the house. I'm trying to understand the scope. MR. CAMPA: Correct. November 21, 2025 Page 100 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So it was an additional -- additional space under air condition, whatever. MR. CAMPA: Correct. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Has this now -- and the work was started on that. Was the work started? MR. CAMPA: No, not yet. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: On that original one, it says an unpermitted addition. Was the unpermitted addition built? MR. CAMPA: That was the lanai, yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I don't understand. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: It was the lanai. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: The lanai? MR. CAMPA: Right. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So you were putting on a new lanai? MR. CAMPA: Right. The ceiling on the lanai, yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. A screened-in room of some sort. MR. CAMPA: (Nods head.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. So that was -- now, was that built? MR. CAMPA: That was built, yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It was built. So are you demoing that, taking it back to the original position. MR. CAMPA: Let me translate her, because she in the picture. MR. HOLMES: I could -- if you'd like, I could read the language that was at least listed. It might be a little bit simple version of what the revision was, but it's itemized. Would you like me to read it? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Could you summarize it? MR. HOLMES: Yeah, it's already summarized. So it's November 21, 2025 Page 101 everything will be going back to the original permit when submitted the first time. Number 1, new addition and renovation proposed to be constructed in 2024. Number 2, demo of existing laundry room and addition of new laundry room. Three, convert the existing storage room to the new master bedroom and cabana bath, and that's it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So that was a lot of stuff that was done? MR. CAMPA: (Nods head.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And what, they did a demo on all of that to bring it back to the original? MR. CAMPA: Well, each one of those line items is what they intend to do. The only demolition that they're -- that's described here is the demo of an existing laundry room and addition of new laundry room. So they're demoing the old putting in new. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: What I don't understand is, this was done -- MR. HOLMES: Yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Now, to resolve the case, this would need a CO. MR. HOLMES: (Nods head.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Correct? MR. HOLMES: Correct. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So what they're doing on the 19th doesn't resolve this unless you tell me it does. MR. HOLMES: The scope of this permit that they have on file will address the violation and it -- I believe they've laced in some other items that they wanted to do to the home as well. So it's going to be an all-encompassed situation. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Excellent. Thank you, Bradley. Now, how long has the contractor told you this is going to take to complete? And when I say "complete," that includes the November 21, 2025 Page 102 paperwork. MR. CAMPA: From six to eight months to give you a good time to finish. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Complete. What I would like to see done, unless somebody has a suggestion from the Board, is to give an intermitt -- give the six months' time with the respondent coming back to give us a report on what progress has been made in three months, that they started construction, et cetera, all the building permits have been submitted, whatever. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I guess my only thing is we keep coming into these cases now where we're entering the new year where they're pretty old. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Um-hmm. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Pretty old. We seem to be giving a lot of dates. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, we're all in the business of compliance. So this would be a means to get the respondent in compliance. They pulled the new permit on the 19th, so they started to resolve this situation. MR. HOLMES: They pulled a permit back in January of '24 and then went through the process of, essentially, getting to where we are now, which is a new revised version of it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: They never let it fall into expiration, nothing like that, abandonment? MR. HOLMES: I can't say for certain that it did go into -- did or did not go into expiration status. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: If you want to give six months... BOARD MEMBER ELROD: I'll second that. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Well, I make a motion that November 21, 2025 Page 103 we grant six months with the respondent coming back -- you can translate this -- after three months. So this is November -- December, January, February, come back, celebrate my birthdate, and tell us the progress that's been made. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: He likes pink roses. MR. NOELL: So just to be clear for the order, because it's a little bit different. So you want -- are you granting a six-month continuance on their bringing an imposition of fine hearing, and then within the next three months they come back to provide a status update? Is that -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. MR. NOELL: Okay. And then operational costs? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Operational costs of 59.70, that's for today's, to be paid within 30 days. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: What about the previous operational costs that wasn't paid? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That was paid. They changed it. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Oh. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I put an X through the "not." MR. CAMPA: Thank you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. So are we all set? Oh, we have to vote on this. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Yeah. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? November 21, 2025 Page 104 (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. So now you're happy. MR. CAMPA: I'm happy. We're going to do it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I'm happy. We'll see you in February. MR. CAMPA: Thank you. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Three months. MR. CAMPA: Merry Christmas to everybody. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Merry Christmas. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Thank you. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: That was very good. Good solution. MS. BUCHILLON: Next case, we're still under motion for imposition of fines and liens, No. 7, CESD207230001825, Marta Alonzo, Salvador Huex Alonzo, and Edna E. Castano. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MS. GUTTUM: I do. MS. ALONZO: I do. MR. ALONZO: I do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Could you state your name on the microphone for us, please. MR. ALONZO: Salvador Huex Alonzo. MS. ALONZO: Marta Alonzo. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. You can pull it down. You're vertically challenged. Okay. Good. MS. ALONZO: Marta Alonzo. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Thank you. Steph, back again. November 21, 2025 Page 105 MS. GUTTUM: I'm back. For the record, Stephanie Guttum, Collier County Code Enforcement. Past orders: On June 22nd, 2023, the Code Enforcement Board issued a finding of fact, conclusion of law and order. The respondent was found in violation of the referenced ordinances and ordered to correct the violation. See the attached order of the Board, OR6271, PG3866, for more information. On July 25th, 2024, the Code Enforcement Board granted an extension of time. On April 24th, 2025, the Code Enforcement Board granted a continuance. The violation has not been abated as of November 21st, 2025. Fines and costs to date are as follows: Fines have accrued at a rate of $25 per day for the period from October 24th, 2024, to November 21st, 2025, 394 days, for a total fine of $9,850. Fines continue to accrue. Previously assessed operational costs of 59.28 and 59.49 have been paid. Operational costs for today's hearing, $59.70. Total amount, $9,909.70. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Sir? MR. ALONZO: Good morning. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good morning. MR. ALONZO: Well, just I want to say I'm sorry for taking so long. The reason it's taking so long, because we don't own the property. And before -- before we come here last time, we send email to the property manager, and she don't respond to last month. She respond me last month, because she wants all the permits, to see all the plans and what we plan to fix the issue, she wants to see everything. And that way she approve it and sign it. And she respond me, I think -- I don't want to lie to November 21, 2025 Page 106 you -- maybe a month and a half ago, and she say, "Okay. I'm going to sign." And that was -- I don't have enough time, and then when we -- when she said, yes, she going to sign, the County put the plans in, how you say, abandoned, so we had to redo everything again because we got -- we got a -- because it takes so the permit -- I mean, the County put the permits in abandoned. So now we have to do it, all the plans and pass -- they had to review everything again. And then it take so long because we don't own the property. We've got to wait on them. We got to wait on them. We trying to do it, but we got to wait on them till they respond to us, and that way we can move it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Let me stop. Who owns the property? MS. GUTTUM: They own the mobile home, but they do not own the land on the mobile home. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And they need the permission of the landowner to do any construction -- MS. GUTTUM: Correct. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- on the trailer? MS. GUTTUM: Correct. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Well, we gave you a year. MR. ALONZO: I understand that, but I'm trying to explain it to you, I do what I can. You know, I send all the paper to -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You do what you can, but it's obviously not enough. MS. ALONZO: Yeah. I understand the way you see it, but I don't have nothing more to do. I got to send the paper to her, and she got to review the plans, and she got to say yes or no. And when I called her, she say, "Okay, my lawyer's going to take a look and see if we allowed to -- to let you do that." Even -- November 21, 2025 Page 107 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So you did the modification? MR. ALONZO: No, we don't. We buy the trailer like that. I explained it to you when I was here before. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah. So he bought it like that, which is why we imposed such a small number. After a year it's only 9,000. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yeah, $25 a day is a small amount. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Yeah, it is. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah. So he -- if I remember correctly, you guys had moved in there. MR. ALONZO: Yeah. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: And then the violation -- MR. ALONZO: Yeah. And then the property manager -- I want to go over a little bit. After we buy it, we know, well, the property manager come and say, "Okay, this trailer has some issues." And we buy it from her harbors [sic] who owned the trailer before, and we don't know about these -- all these issues. So when we bought it, we -- the property manager coming to us and charged 16,000 -- 160 for all the -- of all the issues the previous owner cause to the community, they say. And we pay -- we pay that much -- that money to them. And then after a year, they want to -- she come to us and trying to make, like, an eviction case to us against us. So we went -- we win the eviction case against them, and then we win. I mean, I think they called the County, and then the County is behind us now. So I know it's taken a long time, but we're trying to work on it, but it's not easy because we don't own the property. Right away when the County come, we -- every time when they -- when you guys call us, we come here to attend, but there's November 21, 2025 Page 108 nothing we can do. Like, if I own the property, you know, I had to do it by my own, but I got to wait on them. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I understand. Now, she signed off already? MR. ALONZO: She said, yes, I'm going to allow to you to fix all the issues. And then we send -- we send the paper while she had to sign, and then weeks later she answer to me, "Well, this paper, I don't have to sign it. You have to sign it." So I signed the paper. I signed the paper, but I don't know if it's going to be approved or not because she say, "This paper you have to sign. I don't have to sign it." But it's taken, you know, long time till she told me that, you know. So I signed the paper, and now we're going to -- we're going to make the plans again and submit -- submit the permits again. So -- because the County put a -- put the permits -- I mean, put the plans in abandoned. MS. GUTTUM: Abandoned, you mean. MR. ALONZO: Yeah, sorry. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Jeff. MR. LETOURNEAU: Yeah, I just want to clarify a few things here. As you guys know, when we get a permitting violation, the vast majority, we go against the property owner. Unfortunately, the State compels us in this kind of situation -- when there's a landowner and they're renting the land to a mobile home, the State compels us to go after the mobile home owner. Now, if you guys vote to impose on this piece of property -- on this violation, we would be compelled to put the lien on the mobile home, and I don't really think that we've ever done that before, to be honest with you. Have we, Tom? MR. IANDIMARINO: We have had one code lien relief application that came through on a mobile home. November 21, 2025 Page 109 MR. LETOURNEAU: Okay, so one time. MR. IANDIMARINO: There was one. So it's -- MR. LETOURNEAU: It's very rare. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. LETOURNEAU: So scenario, we put the lien on the mobile home, and I'm not -- Tom can correct me if I'm wrong, we're not going to be in any hurry to foreclose on a mobile. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: No. MR. IANDIMARINO: No, I do not see that. In fact, when they did do the code lien relief on a mobile home, because it's -- we go on 10 percent of the value of the mobile home, and this -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: That's $100 at that point. MR. IANDIMARINO: And this particular -- correct. It would be a rather great reduction in fines that they would have to pay. MR. LETOURNEAU: So -- and once again, if you guys did impose, they'd have the opportunity to come back and, if they wanted to, reduce the fines tremendously from what they are at this point. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Not if we impose. MR. LETOURNEAU: If you do -- if you do impose, we put the lien on the mobile home. The mobile home, who knows what it's worth. Probably not as much as a piece of property in Collier County. And it gets reduced tremendously if the -- if, you know, they come to Tom, he does the resolution, it goes before the Commissioners, and they vote on -- vote on it. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Why did we -- why did we put a lien on the mobile versus the lot itself? Basically -- MR. LETOURNEAU: We can't -- we can't do it on a lot. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: The State mandates it. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Understood. Okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So it sounds to me -- MR. LETOURNEAU: So it's not a huge burden on them if you November 21, 2025 Page 110 guys impose right now. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. So what I'm getting from you is the best thing for the respondents is for us to impose this. Ultimately -- MR. LETOURNEAU: I can't speak to the best thing for the respondents. I just -- I'm just telling you guys that it's not as huge of a burden on them as it would be to a property owner. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It's not as huge a burden as $9,000, because, you know, that's going to be reduced to practically nothing. MR. LETOURNEAU: I can't say what it's going to be reduced to, but it's going to be less than 9,000, yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So we can impose it. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I have a question. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. Go ahead. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Sir. MR. ALONZO: Yes, sir. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: How many mobile homes are in the park where yours is at? MR. ALONZO: How many mobile -- BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: How many other mobile homes are there? MR. ALONZO: Oh, I think it's maybe, like, 80. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Eighty? MR. ALONZO: Eighty mobile homes. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Do any of the other 80 mobile homes have a cover over them like you're proposing to do? MR. ALONZO: Everyone has. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Everyone has? MR. ALONZO: Yeah, everyone has. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Okay. So they had to pull a permit for that, correct? November 21, 2025 Page 111 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: The hangup is not that they pulled the permit. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: No. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It's that the person who owns the property has to sign off -- BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I get it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- in order for them to get it. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I just wanted to know if he's the first of 80 to try to get this done, or if he's -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: He's the last. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: -- No. 78 of 80. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yeah. He's the last. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: All right. So the precedent's been set. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Right. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So I think if I got Jeff's innuendo, the best thing that we could do is impose the fine, and then you take care of getting her to sign off on whatever it is, the property owner -- MR. ALONZO: Okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- and when you come back here, this thing will be taken care of in your best interest. MR. ALONZO: Thank you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Oh, I haven't done anything yet. MR. LETOURNEAU: Just to clarify, they wouldn't be coming back here. They would be going to Mr. Iandimarino and asking for a reduction of fines, and we would put together a packet, present it before the Commissioners, and they would -- and they would vote on it. MR. ALONZO: Okay. November 21, 2025 Page 112 BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I'd like to make a motion. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Go ahead. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: All right. I want my motion to say that we are going to impose the fine of 9,909.70 plus the cost of today's hearing of 59.70. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: That's already included. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: That was already in there. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. I second your motion. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Okay. I think what we did is the best for you. Okay. MR. ALONZO: Thank you. Thank you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: When you come back, make sure you find the guy over there with the bushy hair. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: That one. MR. ALONZO: Okay. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: That's the one you want. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And he'll understand what's going on. He will point you in the right direction. MR. ALONZO: Okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. November 21, 2025 Page 113 MR. ALONZO: Thank you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Thank you. MS. BUCHILLON: Next case, No. 9, CESD20230007938, Yordis Gutierrez and Zulema Sol Garcia. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: This is imposition of fines. MS. BUCHILLON: Yes, we're still under imposition of fines. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Good morning. Could you state your name on the microphone for us? MS. GARCIA: My name is Zulema Sol Garcia. MR. BOONE: And Jeremy Boone. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MS. GARCIA: Yes. MR. BOONE: Yes. MR. MATOS: I do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Good morning. MR. MATOS: Good morning. For the record, it's Jeremiah Matos, Collier County Code Enforcement. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Is this your first appearance before us? MR. MATOS: Maybe third or fourth. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Man, you look like Ice Cube's son. That is crazy. MR. MATOS: I can't get away from that. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: That's who we have here today. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Is that because he's cool? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I'm going to show you a photo. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. You want to read this into the record for us, please. November 21, 2025 Page 114 MR. MATOS: Yes. Past orders: On August 22nd, 2024, the Code Enforcement Board issued a findings of fact, conclusions of law and order. The respondent was found in violation of the referenced ordinances and ordered to correct the violation. See the attached order of the Board, OR6419, Page 3210, for more information. On August 28th, 2025, the Code Enforcement Board granted a continuance. The violation has been abated as of October 21st, 2025. Fines and costs to date are as followed [sic]: Part 1 fines have accrued at a rate of $250 per day for the period from April 20th, 2025, to October 21st, 2025, for a total of 185 days, for a total fine amount of $46,250. Part 2, abated by September 6th, 2024, within the compliance deadline. Previously assessed operational costs of 59 -- $59.28 and $59.42 have been paid. Operational costs for today's hearing, $59.63. Total amount, $46,309.63. The gravity of the violation was not health and safety. Any actions taken by the violator to correct: They obtained and finaled Permits PRAC20240938985 and Permit PREL20240836240, and they also removed animal coops to come into compliance. And previous violations committed by the respondent: None. Any other relevant factors: None. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. And I should ask, what took so long? MR. BOONE: Yes. So when she started the process, she had first hired a gentleman from ASSA. And she had also reached out to me, you know, because there might have been some concerns. And I kind of knew a little bit of the reputation of Mr. Octavio Sarmiento. So I -- I went there in person for her three separate times. The November 21, 2025 Page 115 third time, went with about coffee and extra things, hoping to get in their good graces. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: All right. Let me make a motion here. Let's keep it moving. We're going to go ahead and deny the County's fines. That way you can go about your life. But however, today's operational costs of $59.63 do need to be paid, okay. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Within 30 days, the operational costs. Okay. MS. BUCHILLON: I just have a quick question. Mr. Boone, are you her consultant or translator? MR. BOONE: Both. MS. BUCHILLON: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: He knew what to say. He knew the name. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have -- Kathy seconded the motion. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. MR. BOONE: Thank you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Where'd Jeff go? November 21, 2025 Page 116 You're welcome. MS. BUCHILLON: We're still under motion for imposition of fines and liens, No. 10, CESD20240002270, Yenny Rodriguez Pino and Rockny Garcia Rodriguez. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. GARCIA: I do. MR. MARINOS: I do. THE COURT REPORTER: Your name? MR. GARCIA: Rockny Garcia. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Everybody's been sworn. Do you want to read this into the record for us, please. MR. MARINOS: Yes, sir. Past orders: On January 23rd, 2025, the Code Enforcement Board issued a finding of fact, conclusion of law and order. The respondent was found in violation of the referenced ordinances and ordered to correct the violation. See the attached order of the Board, OR6437, Page 3361, for more information. On April 24th, 2025, the Code Enforcement Board granted an extension of time. On August 28th, 2025, the Code Enforcement Board granted a continuance. The violation has been abated as of September 11th, 2025. Fines have accrued at a rate of $200 per day for the period from June 24th, 2025, to September 11th, 2025, 80 days, for a total fine amount of $16,000. Part 2 abated by January 27th, 2025, within the compliance deadline. Previously assessed operational costs of $59.35 have been paid. Previously assessed operational costs of $59.84 have been paid. The November 21, 2025 Page 117 operational costs for today's hearing is $60.05, for a total amount of $16,060.05. The gravity of the violation is not health and safety. Any actions taken by the violator to correct: Obtained Demolition Permits PRDM20250416467 and PRDM20240831853. Any previous violations committed by the respondent: N/A. Any other relevant factors: The following cases have been issued NOVs in the past five years: CEV20220001399, CENA20220001397, CELU20220001575; CEV20230002270, CENA20230002272, CEV20240003140, CENA20240003143, CELU20240003144, CESD20220000942, and finally, CELU20250008736. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: What were all those notice of violations, et cetera? MR. MARINOS: We have kind of a flurry of different things: Vehicle cases for unlicensed/inoperable, some land-use cases for occupied structures illegally, some previous site development cases for lack of permits. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: We've had nuisance abatement cases as well. MR. MARINOS: Nuisance abatement for litter, unpermitted outdoor storage. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Has this -- all those cases have been resolved? MR. MARINOS: Yes, sir. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Same ownership? MR. MARINOS: Same ownership. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Okay. MR. GARCIA: Yes. Everything has been resolved already. All the permits have been passed. So I think everything's been done. MR. IANDIMARINO: Mr. Chair, if I may. November 21, 2025 Page 118 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. MR. IANDIMARINO: Tom Iandimarino, director for Code Enforcement. This property has been -- as you can see, since the current owners have taken over, quite a few cases on this property. He's been before the Special Magistrate as well under a previous case where he was issued a civil penalty as well. So now it's coming before you guys, just to let you know. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: So, typically, you know, one of the things we try to look for is how many cases have you had in the past, and you have had a total of maybe three to four land-use cases, about three nuisance abatement cases, four vehicle cases, and one site development case. That's a lot. MR. GARCIA: Yeah. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: A lot. You know, I'll reduce the fines a bit, but they're not going to come down much. I'm going to make a motion that we reduce the fines down to $7,000 along -- and that will include today's operational costs. So it's going to be 7,000 including today's operational costs of $60.05. But we won't be -- I would not make my motion to waive the fines 100 percent either just because we've -- we have -- I think there's 10 cases here. There's -- one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10. Ten. And this is 11. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: One of the provisions for Section 162 of the law states past history, past violations in considering any reduction in fines. So you've done well. I'll second your motion. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Do we want to wait for Lee? BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: We have a quorum. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Do we want to wait for Lee? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: We don't need to. November 21, 2025 Page 119 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: No. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: We don't need him. I'm just asking. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: (Absent for vote.) BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? MR. GARCIA: All right. Thank you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MS. BUCHILLON: We're still under motion for imposition of fines and liens, No. 11, CESD20230010938, Mayra L. Calvillo. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. VENEGAS: We do. MR. PITURA: I do. MR. VENEGAS: I do. MR. CHERRELUS: I do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Would you state your name on the microphone for us. MR. VENEGAS: My name is Luis Venegas. I am the spouse of Mayra Calvillo. Different last names. MR. CHERRELUS: John Cherrelus. I work with the contractor. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. This was exterior/interior remodeling without permits. MR. PITURA: Thomas Pitura -- November 21, 2025 Page 120 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Tom. MR. PITURA: -- Collier County Code Enforcement. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Do you want to read this into the record for us? MR. PITURA: Past orders: On September 26th, 2024, the Code Enforcement Board issued a findings of fact, conclusions of law and order. Respondent was found in violation of the referenced ordinances and ordered to correct the violation. See attached order of the Board, OR6408, Page 2558, for more information. On April 24th, 2025, the Code Enforcement Board granted a continuance. The violation has not been abated as of November 21st, 2025. Fines and costs to date are as follows: Fines have accrued at a rate of $100 per day for a period from January 25th, 2025, to November 21st, 2025, 301 days, for a total fine amount of $30,100. Fines continue to accrue. Previously assessed operational costs of 59.28 have been paid. Previously assessed operational costs of 59.35 have been paid. There's been an update on that. And the operational cost for today's hearing of 59.42 has been paid also. Total amount, $30,159.42. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: 30,159... MR. PITURA: Forty-two. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Forty-two. Okay. Sir? MR. VENEGAS: Yes. Last time we were here, you guys gave us the extension for completion of the construction. As you were aware last time, we had done an addition permit, which was a rollover from the case that we had in front of you prior to that. So we were basically doing an addition, and some of it into -- with the new construction aspect of it. We were ready to -- the work has commenced tremendously. November 21, 2025 Page 121 The addition, construction is vertical. We did -- the addition inside the remodel part of it was completed. When we went to do the inspections, they told us that we couldn't call the inspections in until the full completion of the project was completed. The other option that Tom gave us was -- or the idea was to separate the permits into two different items, one for the Code Enforcement issue, which was the remodeling aspect of it, and one was the -- for the addition part of it. When I went to do that, they told us we couldn't because the -- we had to do a new permit, new plans, new set of engineering, which is -- we're in the process of it now. Right now we're looking at term -- period of 60 days to complete the new addition with the remodeling already included in it. So, basically, all we need is 60 days' extension to complete the addition to have the remodeling included with the addition. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: You're just asking for 60? MR. VENEGAS: That's all we need, literally. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: We've got one today asked for time; that's good. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Anybody want to make a motion? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I'll make a motion to grant a continuance of 60 days; however, today's fines of $59.70 do need to be paid within 30 days. MR. VENEGAS: Yes, sir. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. MR. PITURA: They have paid them already. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: They paid it already. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: 59.42, okay. MS. BUCHILLON: And fines continue to accrue. November 21, 2025 Page 122 MR. VENEGAS: We paid the ones for -- I apologize. We paid the ones for the last hearing but not -- I think this hearing's are still due. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: This hearing is 59.42. MR. VENEGAS: Correct. I'll pay those today, yes, sir. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay, great. MS. BUCHILLON: Give us a couple of days, I mean, till next week. We probably won't be back till late afternoon, if we are, so wait till next week. MR. VENEGAS: I'll wait till after the holidays. MS. BUCHILLON: Yeah. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Helen does work on Thanksgiving, so you can go by if you want. MR. VENEGAS: Oh, perfect. MS. BUCHILLON: And also, fines continue to accrue. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That's correct. MR. VENEGAS: I understand. Once the -- once the -- you guys don't work holidays. No. Fines can accrue on holidays, but not -- yeah. So once the construction is completed within 60 days, we can request reduction or -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You come back -- MR. VENEGAS: -- mitigation. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- before us, and instead of it saying "has not been abated," it will say "has been abated." MR. VENEGAS: So, Tom -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And at that time we will take care of things. MR. VENEGAS: Tom, just real quick so we can make sure we're all on the same page, because we did -- again, we rolled up the remodeling aspect, which was the penalty, the code violation, into the new -- into the whole completion of the addition; however, we November 21, 2025 Page 123 had -- I don't know if Tom mentioned that we also had an option of separating, of course, the Code Enforcement Board with the -- I don't know if Code Enforcement's still going to allow the separation, or should we just complete the full addition and then roll it into the Code Enforcement. MR. LETOURNEAU: Code Enforcement doesn't make that decision. We're just the bad guys that come after you if you do something wrong. You'd have to work that out with the Building Department. MR. VENEGAS: Yeah, because in the Building Department they did authorize -- they have -- in the permits, we do have the remodeling aspect as well as the addition. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: That would be separate. But let's take this motion first, because we do have one here for you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. MR. VENEGAS: Thank you, folks. Happy Holidays. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You, too. MS. BUCHILLON: Next case, we're still under motion for imposition of fines and liens. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MS. BUCHILLON: Number 12, CESD20230008794, Santiago November 21, 2025 Page 124 Ospina and Jorge Ospina, and also No. 13, CESD20230008795. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay, Bradley [sic]. We're going to probably hear these together and vote on them separately? Does that work? MR. OWEN: Whichever you would like to do. It's your show. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Let's start with 12 first. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. OWEN: I do. MR. OSPINA: I do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have one speaker on this. We'll let them go, and then we'll listen to your speaker. Okay. Bradley [sic], you want to read this into the record for us? MR. OWEN: Sure. Past orders -- I'm sorry. For the record, Brian Owen, Collier County Code Enforcement. Past orders: On February 22nd, 2024, the Code Enforcement Board issued a finding of facts, conclusion of law and order. The respondent was found in violation of the referenced ordinances and ordered to correct the violation. See the attached order of the Board, OR6336, PG414, for more information. On January 23rd, 2025, the Code Enforcement Board granted a continuance. The violation has not been abated as of November 21st, 2025. Fines and costs to date are as followed [sic]: Part 1, fines have accrued at a rate of $200 per day from a period from February 28th, 2024, to March 13th, 2025, 380 days, for a total fine amount of $76,000. Part 2, fines have accrued at a rate of $200 per day from a period of August 23rd, 2024, to November 21st, 2025, 456 days, for a total November 21, 2025 Page 125 fine amount of $91,200. Fines continue to accrue. Previous assessed operational costs of 59.28 and 59.28 have been paid. Operational costs for today is 59.56, for a total fine amount of $167,259.56. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Sir. MR. OSPINA: So we've been moving forward. I hired Shalonda Washington. We've got one permit under review, and then the other permit I've just got to pay it today. So that's our current process. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That's the permit, not the completion. MR. OSPINA: It's not the completion, yeah. So we had to go through the engineer. When we last came, we talked about having the engineer. Said it would take three weeks. That ended up taking, like, two months. And then we had -- I had to rehire Shalonda, because I originally hired Claudine Auclair, and she said she didn't do anything. She sent a letter to the Code Enforcement and was not very helpful with the case, so that delayed it a bit. But now we've been working on it diligently. The engineers have been out there. We're getting product approval. So we have been moving forward with everything. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Sir, let me -- again, this is -- since it's not been abated, when do you think this would all be -- and when I say "all be done," that's till you get a CO. MR. OSPINA: Yeah. So, we -- I mean, by "abated," I mean, I haven't -- ever since the Code originally got me, and when it -- when we had the first hearing, electricity's been turned off, plumbing's been turned off. The only thing I've been doing is keeping the guesthouse clean just to prevent any mold, anything growing, because there's no A/C, nothing. But nothing's been done there. November 21, 2025 Page 126 There was findings in the main house where there was remodels done probably 30 years ago. Where we turned off the electric, I had Mr. Brian come out, check that out as well. Had the electrician show that everything was turned off. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: If I remember this correct, you bought this house in that situation; is that correct? MR. OSPINA: So I did some -- some things, which I shouldn't have done, but one of the major issues in the house is a garage that was converted into a living space. That whole area of my house isn't used. So it's just turned off. No electric, no plumbing, nothing goes there, and it's just closed off and just used as storage. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And you're using -- you're applying for a building permit -- MR. OSPINA: To get -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- for that? MR. OSPINA: To get that approved, and then for the guesthouse in the back. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Let me keep with that a second. So that building permit needs to be -- it needs to be approved, and it's already built? MR. OSPINA: Yeah. That one's in review. So right now the permit itself is under review. But, yeah, the engineer came out, did whole plans for the house because there were no plans or history of it in the -- in county's records, since it's a house built in '79. So we pretty much had to do whole new plans for the home, and that was put in by engineer. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Was that preexisting? MR. OSPINA: The -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: The garage conversion, was that you who did that, or that was preexisting? MR. OSPINA: No. That was probably done 30, 40 years back. November 21, 2025 Page 127 BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Okay. That's what -- we were re-jogging our memory here. Okay. MR. OSPINA: Yeah. What I did do in the house was the two windows and door. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. OSPINA: And that's all included in the same permit. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Okay. Got it. Okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Turning out to be very expensive doors. Okay. MR. OSPINA: Very expensive home. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. So when this is all done, it will -- the only thing they have to do is do the inspections? MR. OSPINA: Yep. So one of the permits is already approved. I've just got to pay it out, and I'm just going to the County to get the detail of inspection fee, and then I'll pay it probably today. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. So this that I'm looking at, this violation, you think will be completed by -- MR. OSPINA: Is this 794? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes, it is. MR. OSPINA: This is for the main house. This one, I believe -- let me make sure it's the right one. Yeah, this one, I think it should be the simple one, but this one's the one that's still under review. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. OSPINA: The one for the guest is the one that's just got to be paid out. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. OSPINA: Okay. So once it's -- once it passes review and everything, I feel those inspections shouldn't take too long. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: So how much time do you think you need? November 21, 2025 Page 128 MR. OSPINA: Six months, I would like to have. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: If it's as close as you say, I don't think it would take six months. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Well, remember, the close one is the guesthouse. This is pertaining to the garage, and he believes because it's sitting currently in review status, he needs six months. This was behind the other one. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. This is new construction or relatively new? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: No, this is the one that he inherited from 1934, or whatever he's saying. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Well, do you want to grant an extension of six months; is that what you're saying? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Continuance or extension? BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Speaker. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yeah. We'll get to the speaker after. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Sure. I'll make a motion to grant the six months. We're working with you on this. We see that you're working. We do appreciate compliance, okay? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Before we vote on it, the -- Maria? MR. NOELL: And then before Maria talks, sir, is that a six-month continuance with operational costs? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: It's going to be -- yeah, it's going to be six months' continuance along with today's operational costs of $59.56 to be paid within 30 days. MR. NOELL: Okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing November 21, 2025 Page 129 but the truth? MS. MAGHINI: Yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Maria? MS. MAGHINI: Good morning, everyone. I would like to point some inaccuracy -- oh, Maria Maghini, sorry. I would like to point some inaccuracies related to Case CESD2023008794. There is a 900-square-foot unpermitted addition in the rear of the home where the electricity still remains on. It is a fire hazard, considering Mr. Ospina has a crew of people working from there every day. Also, I noticed there are no permits pulled on -- to correct the rear unpermitted addition or any demolition permits to have the addition removed. So my questions to you is, why is -- the electricity has been allowed to remain on the unpermitted addition considering that all the unpermitted electric work has been required to be turned off? I just kindly request the Board to address the electric issue today on the unpermitted addition in the back. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Let me ask the investigator real quick. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Because at the end of the day, we depend on the investigator's -- Brian, any -- MR. OWEN: I need clarification. Are we talking about the small house in the rear of the property? MS. MAGHINI: No. This is -- this is with the -- it's the construction of an addition on the rear of the home with the appearance of a garage. And I pointed out last hearing that he was -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: In the microphone. MS. MAGHINI: This is an addition on the rear of the home that is attached to it and the appearance of a garage. November 21, 2025 Page 130 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Is this what you're saying is a fire hazard? MS. MAGHINI: Yes, it is. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Brian, you were there. Is this a fire hazard, in your opinion? MR. OWEN: So the garage was converted -- confirmed to be converted. There has not been a substantial confirmation of an addition on the rear of the house. So I have nothing really to say about the rear of the home having an addition because that has not been confirmed. MS. MAGHINI: It is in -- it is in the complaint. And I would like to show you the pictures of it. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Well, if you're bringing me photos, do you have any photos of any electricity actually being on at night? MS. MAGHINI: I have in my phone. MR. OSPINA: She's talking about an area of the house that's never been told to me that's part of the code, like, violation. MR. OWEN: Just give me one second. We're here for an imposition of fine. We're not here to rehear the case. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: We're not; you're right. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That's correct. MS. MAGHINI: All right. So -- but my stance is that he wasn't curated all the unpermitted issues in the house. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That was heard on the case. What we're here for now is to impose the fine or grant additional time for him to come into compliance. We're not here to hear this whole case again. MS. MAGHINI: Okay. Well, he hasn't come into compliance. There's no permit for this, as he states that he is -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Whatever you're mentioning, I November 21, 2025 Page 131 don't even think we have a case for it. I think what we're talking about here currently -- and this is the only thing we can address -- is the garage, and we have another case for the guesthouse in the back. What you might be talking about is not a case that we have currently, right, Jeff? MR. LETOURNEAU: I believe. So if there's another area of the house that you feel is a violation and you want to make a complaint about it, you can either call in or go online and make a complaint about that particular subject. But we're only here for the garage conversion and the shed conversion. MS. MAGHINI: Okay. So what is construction and a violation of the rear of the home with the appearance of an attached garage? It's in the complaint. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I don't understand what you're trying to say. MS. MAGHINI: That is -- besides the garage conversion into livable space, there is also a second part in the complaint where it addresses the addition, unpermitted addition. That's what I'm trying to convey. MR. IANDIMARINO: For the record, Tom Iandimarino -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. MR. IANDIMARINO: -- director. Just because the complaint says that does not necessarily mean that we addressed that. I think Bradley Holmes is walking up, and Brad may be able to answer this question. If you can, was there an entry consent for inside the house? Go ahead, Brad. Thank you. THE COURT REPORTER: I need to swear you in. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. HOLMES: I do. November 21, 2025 Page 132 Good thing I caught that. It wouldn't have counted. All right. Just to speak on -- this is from the order that was produced by the Board, okay. It was for the conversion of a preexisting attached garage on the front of the house including but not limited to plumbing, electrical, utilities, installation of HVAC ductwork, and exterior penetrations, as well as the construction of an addition on the rear of the home that had the appearance -- because I only saw the outside -- of an attached garage, okay. Those were the -- and then exterior door and window change-outs throughout the home. So that was the scope of the order. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: And we would have to ask the investigator if those things are in compliance. MR. HOLMES: Say that again. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: We would have to ask the investigator to see if it's met the compliance, correct? MR. HOLMES: Well, compliance would have been met by obtaining -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: The permit. MR. HOLMES: -- the CO and permits. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, it says it's not in compliance yet. MR. HOLMES: Correct. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That's why the respondent is asking for additional time. MR. HOLMES: Yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Six months, et cetera. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Is this going to include this rear section that they're referring to? If not, you're going to hear -- you're coming back. MR. OSPINA: Well, I've never been told about the rear of the November 21, 2025 Page 133 home. I mean, it's -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Well, it's in that order that Bradley Holmes just read. MR. OSPINA: So that was a complaint, but it was -- when we had the inspector, the original inspector, Chuck Marinos, come out, that was never an issue. What happened is the whole house had no plans, no building plans, nothing. So no one could tell me what's the legal part of the house. Everything that I took into the County, they said it was all legal. So that -- what she's talking about is -- the house has -- it's a flat roof and a normal roof. There's a part where the flat roof that was built on back, I think, in the -- '88, and that was approved by the County because it's -- that's the floor plan they gave me, which was literally just a sketch, like, a square. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: So this was something preexisting again? MR. OSPINA: Yeah. I mean, it's not -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Why now is this an issue that you're reporting it? MS. MAGHINI: No. It's always been an issue. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Were you here -- did you also come before the Board before he owned this property to put the complaint in? MS. MAGHINI: No, since he -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Why now? MS. MAGHINI: Because I never realized there was a complaint -- there was an issue until Mr. Ospina moved in and started to do all this work. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: You're from where? MR. OSPINA: Colombia. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: This Hispanic/Hispanic action November 21, 2025 Page 134 makes me sick. All right. I don't know what to do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, you have a motion that we have before us to vote on, irrespective of the speaker. So -- BOARD MEMBER ELROD: I second your motion. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes, I know. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Just be careful. We're going to make that motion. Just review the order with Bradley Holmes because I don't think this is going to go away. If she -- if that order's in place and she finds out that it's in place, she's probably going to reopen it again. So just keep that in mind. MR. OSPINA: Yeah. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I don't have -- I understand it's old. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, talk to Bradley Holmes, talk to Brian. See -- MR. OSPINA: Yeah. Because, I mean, with the permit that we're applying, since we had to do whole new plans for the house, it's getting -- the whole house is getting approved now. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That's correct. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. OSPINA: Because, like, there was no -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: So this one permit would eliminate -- MR. OSPINA: This would eliminate everything. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Okay. So he is working on that. MR. OSPINA: Like, the whole house is getting legalized. MS. MAGHINI: No, it does not include the addition in the back. November 21, 2025 Page 135 MR. LETOURNEAU: Ma'am, you can make a complaint about that addition. We're just here for the two items that I mentioned earlier. MS. MAGHINI: No, it is -- it is in the complaint, sir. MR. LETOURNEAU: Well, what complaint are you talking about? I'm not -- I'm reading both complaints right here, and if -- even if it was in the original complaint, we didn't deal with it at that time. So right now is not the time to be doing that. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. I'm going to call for a vote. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. So you have six months. Get everything done. If you want to talk to Bradley [sic] -- he's a cool guy -- be my guest. MR. LETOURNEAU: It's Brian. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Brian. I'm sorry. Brian. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I trained Bradley. I didn't train Brian. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MS. BUCHILLON: Fines continue to accrue. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Fines continue to accrue. So the sooner you get it done -- MR. OSPINA: Yep. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You have Shalonda you're working November 21, 2025 Page 136 with? MR. OSPINA: Yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: She's very good. I used her in my past life. Okay. MS. BUCHILLON: This one's for 8794. We have 8795 now. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Lee, behave yourself. This is now 795, the next case. Do you have a speaker slip on that? (The participants were previously duly sworn.) MS. MAGHINI: No. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. You're excused. Thank you. MS. MAGHINI: All right. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I don't know what you did. You're in trouble. MR. OSPINA: It's been from day one. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Should have stayed single. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Is this a neighbor; is that what it is? MR. OSPINA: Yeah. But she -- I mean, she's against the whole street, so... CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Well, she's an equal opportunity person to be -- okay. That works out. MR. OSPINA: I just got the bad end of it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Bradley [sic], good morning. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: You didn't do things right, man. November 21, 2025 Page 137 MR. OSPINA: Oh my God. MR. IANDIMARINO: If we could, let's stay the course here. Thank you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Number 13. Do you want to read this into the record for us, please? MR. OWEN: Sure. Past orders: On January 25th, 2024, the Code Enforcement Board issued a finding of facts, conclusion of law order. The respondent was found in violation of the referenced ordinances and ordered to correct the violation. See attached order of the Board, OR6329, PG1066, for more information. On January 23rd, 2025, the Code Enforcement Board granted a continuance. The violation has not been abated as of November 21st, 2025. Fines and costs to date are as followed [sic]: Part 1, fines have accrued at a rate of $75 per day from the period of January 27th, 2024, to January 23rd, 2025, 363 days, for a total fine amount of $27,225. Part 2, fines have accrued at a rate of -- I'm sorry -- $75 per day from a period of August 23rd, 2024, to November 21st, 2025, 456 days, for a total fine amount of $34,200. Fines continue to accrue. Previous assessed operational costs of 59.28, times two, has been paid. Operational costs for today is 59.56, for total fine amount of $61,484.56. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Does your previous statement on what you're doing with this in the next six months cover this? MR. OSPINA: Yeah. This is the one that already has the inspection -- the permit approved. So I've just got to -- I got it on Monday, and I'm going to pay it today. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. So this is going to be all November 21, 2025 Page 138 done? MR. OSPINA: Yeah, I hope so. I mean, as long as -- as long as the inspections go well, yeah. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I -- once you have the inspections and everything done, it's in your best interest to get this -- MR. OSPINA: Yep -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- gone so the fines don't -- MR. OSPINA: -- as soon as possible. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: That will bring Maria. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Would you like to make the same motion you made on the previous case for six months? He's going to be done in a couple of weeks. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Do me a favor, if you finish this sooner, come before the Board; that way we can at least -- MR. OSPINA: Will do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: -- eliminate that instead of waiting six months? MR. OSPINA: Yes. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: So, yes, I'll make the a motion to grant a continuance for six months. Today's operational costs of 59.56 do need to be paid with 30 days. But again, if you do it sooner, come back, because we need to deal with the total amount of that fine right there, okay. MR. OSPINA: Yes. Thank you. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Come back to Bradley, because we probably won't be here. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Brian. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Bradley is right there. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I'm sorry. Brian. It's the B name November 21, 2025 Page 139 that I have a problem with. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I don't know you forget Brian when he's here -- MS. BUCHILLON: And fines continue to accrue. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yes, it's a continuation. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It's been seconded. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Thank you, Bradley. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Thank you, Brad. You're calling him Brad. MR. OSPINA: Thank you. Happy Holidays. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You, too. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Hey, invite her for Thanksgiving. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Serve her poison. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Somebody left their file. MS. BUCHILLON: Oh my God. What'd you do? Next case, under public hearings, D, hearings, No. 1, CESD20240004843, Kathleen Purdy. November 21, 2025 Page 140 THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. PACKARD: I do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: What is this? Maybe it's here. This is hearings, Case 5D? MS. BUCHILLON: One. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: One, okay. Jason. MR. PACKARD: Yes, sir. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Have you been sworn? MR. PACKARD: I have, yes, sir. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Would you like to present your case? MR. PACKARD: Absolutely, sir. Good afternoon. For the record, Jason Packard, Collier County Code Enforcement. This is in reference to Case No. CESD20240004843 dealing with a violation of Collier County Land Development Code 04-41, as amended, Sections 10.02.06(B)(1)(a), 10.02.06(B)(1)(e), and 10.02.06(B)(1)(e)(i), located at 211 Deerwood Circle, Naples, Florida. Folio 432160220. Service was given on June 21st, 2024. This case originated as a complaint from a member of the community. Property Management Specialist Jon Musse made an initial inspection on May 24th, 2024. A determination was performed by Deputy Building Official Doug Sposito where he found that a violation was present for the door installation. Case was transferred to myself, and I served a notice of violation to the property on June 21st, 2024. A permit for the door was applied for on August 20th, 2024. A November 21, 2025 Page 141 corrections letter was sent on September 10th, 2024. There was no response to the correction letter, and the permit now sits in abandoned status. As of today, the violation remains. I'd like to present the case evidence -- the following case evidence: One aerial from Collier County GIS map showing zoning; two undated photos from the complainant/tenant; two photos taken by Investigator Musse on May 22nd, 2024, stored on a shared drive which I have access to; one screenshot from CityView showing permits for the property; one correction letter for Permit PRSD20240834515; and one building determination permit. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Let the record reflect the respondent is not present. Notice was given… MS. BUCHILLON: Respondent was notified regular and certified mail October 29, 2024, and it was also posted at the property and courthouse 11/4/2025. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Get a motion to accept the documents. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Make a motion to accept the photos. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Motion and seconded. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. November 21, 2025 Page 142 MR. PACKARD: All right. This photo is an aerial from Zoning. It's a PUD. It's actually located in Lely off Deerwood. These are the undated photos from the complainant/tenant showing the old door. These are the photos taken by Investigator Musse showing the door replacement. Current permits on the property. This one, top here, is the abandoned permit for the exterior door change. It expired 3/9/2025. But like I said, she didn't answer the corrections letter. And then I have the corrections letter and the determination if you'd like to see them as well. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Sure. The underlined portion in red, I can't see it. MR. PACKARD: Oh, that's just a general note. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. PACKARD: The reject review is from Structural as required per Florida Statute and administrative -- Florida admin code. Please provide a list to the Florida state product -- of the Florida State product approval or Miami-Dade notice of acceptance. So they didn't provide the documentation from the door itself. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. So basically they bought a new door. MR. PACKARD: Yep. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: They put it in, but they didn't send the paperwork that goes with the door and -- MR. PACKARD: Correct. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And that's where we stand now? MR. PACKARD: Correct. And then this is Mr. Sposito on 5/24/24 showing the permit would be required. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Have you been in touch with the respondent? MR. PACKARD: I have off and on, yes. She lives out of state. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Is that the reason why she's November 21, 2025 Page 143 probably not here? MR. PACKARD: Yeah, partially, I believe. I think there's some other things going on with that condo unit as well. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. PACKARD: Internally in that development, in that community. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: There are other doors that have the same situation? MR. PACKARD: No, no, no, no. An issue with the HOA and her and -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Kind of like a Maria? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yeah. All right. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: The tenant is the complainant? MR. PACKARD: Yes. At the time, yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That's the way you get action. If you have a tenant, they complain, it goes to Code. If you can't get the HOA to do it -- BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Well, no. The door -- the door was replaced. She's complaining about them not having a permit for her door being replaced. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Right. MR. PACKARD: The original -- I believe the original case was a property maintenance case, and this was a kickoff of, okay, well, they replaced the door -- while Investigator Musse had a property maintenance case, they replaced the door, but they didn't pull permits, so he opened a site development case for the door replacement, and then it got kicked over to me. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Now, do you expect her back in town? November 21, 2025 Page 144 MR. PACKARD: Hard to say. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I'm reluctant to jump on this when all it is it the documentation from the manufacturer. So I would be amenable to making a motion to grant her three months. That should bring her back at some time, and you could write her a letter in the meantime. MR. PACKARD: Yeah. I mean, I would say we've been in communication, I've been in communication with her and her property manager, to try and get it rectified, and it's kind of sat in the same status for quite some time. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, let me make a motion that we -- you have a suggestion? Go with your suggestion first. MR. PACKARD: Yes, sir. Let me pull it up here. MR. NOELL: And then have you guys found a violation yet, formally? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: No. I'll make a motion a violation exists. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. MR. PACKARD: The County's recommendation is that the Code Enforcement Board orders the respondent to pay all operational costs in the amount of 59.28 incurred in the prosecution of this case within 30 days and abate all violations by obtaining all required November 21, 2025 Page 145 Collier County building permits or demolition permits, inspections, and certificate of completion/occupancy for the exterior door alteration within blank days of this hearing or a fine of blank dollars per day will be imposed until the violation is abated. Respondent must notify the Code Enforcement investigator when the violation has been abated in order to conduct a final inspection to confirm abatement. If the respondent fails to abate the violation, the County may abate the violation using any method to bring the violation into compliance and may use the assistance of the Collier County Sheriff's Office to enforce the provisions of this order, and all costs of abatement shall be assessed to the property owner. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. I'd like to make a motion that we grant 120 days to come into compliance, 59.28 to be paid within 30 days. What am I missing? MS. BUCHILLON: The fine. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: $100 a day. Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I'm trying to get somebody's attention. That's what the motion, et cetera, is. So when you contact them -- well, see if the motion passes. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: (Nods head.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I have a second. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. November 21, 2025 Page 146 You can write her and say, "You know, you show up with the documentation, that should give you plenty of time to get it from the manufacturer." MR. PACKARD: Oh, absolutely, yep. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So it's -- they did everything right except the paperwork. MR. PACKARD: This is where we meet, yes, sir. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Well, thank you, Jason. MR. PACKARD: Thank you, sir. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Helen, are we done? MS. BUCHILLON: No. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: We have got, like, seven more cases. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MS. BUCHILLON: Okay. We're still under hearings. Next case, No. 5, CEROW20250010811, 895 24th Avenue Annex, LLC, and also No. 6, CESD20240006519. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Oh, we have Bradley/Brian. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. OWEN: I do. MS. BUCHILLON: We have five more cases after these two, and that's it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Brian, you want to read this into the record for us -- or it's your case. Enjoy. MR. OWEN: Okay. For the record, Brian Owen, Collier County Code Enforcement. This is in reference to Case No. CEROW20250010811 dealing with violations of Collier County Laws and Ordinances, Chapter 10, Article II, Division 1, Section 110-31(a) and Section 110-32, expired November 21, 2025 Page 147 right-of-way permit located at 432 24th Avenue Northwest, Naples, Florida 34120. Folio 37594240006. Service was given on September 10th, 2025. Case CEROW20250010811 was open on September 10th, 2025, for an expired right-of-way permit. Permit PRROW20220944355 expired on September 10th, 2025. Notice of violation was issued on the same day. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Let me interrupt you for one second. For the record, the respondent is not present. And, Helen, do you want to tell us notification? MS. BUCHILLON: Sure. For the record, respondents were notified regular and certified mail October 29, 2025, and it was also posted at the property and courthouse October 28th, 2025, for both properties. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Great, thank you. MR. OWEN: Compliance inspection was conducted on November 10th, 2025, and the permit was still expired. Case prepared for a hearing at that time. During my prehearing inspection on November 20th, 2025, I found the permit, PRROW20220944355, to still be expired. During my site visit, I did witness the culvert -- the culvert to have the pipe installed in the ground with no caps and vegetation growing into the pipe. For evidence, I have two photos taken on September 10th, 2025; one deed proving ownership; permit detail page; an aerial from 2025; and two photos taken yesterday by myself. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Make a motion to accept the photos. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. We have a motion to accept November 21, 2025 Page 148 the photos. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And it's seconded. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Looks like a pipe. MR. OWEN: It's a pipe in the ground with some gravel over it. This is the same property owner that owns the property just due east, which we've had cases on before. You'll see it in the aerial here in a minute. That's the other side where you can't even really tell there's a pipe. Still can't tell there's really a pipe there. And that's the aerial. It is literally just vertical walls, the exterior vertical walls, and it's been like that since 2022. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Have you been in contact with the respondent? MR. OWEN: So she owned the property just due east of it, and I have had fine contact with her for that one, and this one, ghosted. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Well, I'd like to make a motion a violation exists. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And we have a second. All those in favor? November 21, 2025 Page 149 BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Okay. Brian, you have a suggestion for us on this one? MR. OWEN: Absolutely. Recommendation: That the Code Enforcement Board orders that the respondent pay all operational costs in the amount of 59.28 incurred in the prosecution of this case within 30 days and abate all violations by: One, obtaining all required Collier County right-of-way permits, inspections, and certificate of completion or restore the right-of-way to its originally permitted condition within blank days of this hearing, or a fine of blank dollars per day will be imposed until the violation is abated; Two, the respondent must notify the Code Enforcement investigator when the violation has been abated in order to conduct a final inspection to confirm abatement. If the respondent fails to abate the violation, the County may abate the violation using any method to bring the violation into compliance and may use the assistance of the Collier County Sheriff's Office to enforce the provisions of this order, and all costs of abatement shall be assessed to the property owner. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Anybody want to take a shot at this? If not, 59.28 to be paid within 30 days is my motion, or $100-a-day fine, and 90 days to come into compliance. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Operational costs? November 21, 2025 Page 150 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Operational costs, 59.28. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. We have a motion and a second. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Okay. That takes care of the first one, 895. Their second case is D6. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Again, let me state that the respondent is not present. And notification was done -- Helen, notification was done on the next case? MS. BUCHILLON: Respondent was notified regular and certified mail October 29, 2025, and it was also posted at the property and courthouse October 29, 2025. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. This is your case. (All participants were previously duly sworn.) MR. OWEN: All right. For the record, Brian Owen, Collier County Code Enforcement. This is in reference to Case No. CESD2024000619 dealing with violations of Collier County Land Development Code 04-41, as amended, Section 10.02.06(B)(1)(e), Section 10 dash 0 dot 06(B)(1)(e), and 10.02.06(B)(1)(e)(i), expired permits for a November 21, 2025 Page 151 single-family home located at 423 24th Avenue Northwest, Naples, Florida 34120. Folio 37594240006. Service was given on October 24th, 2024. Case CESD2024006519 was opened on July 17th, 2024, for an expired permit, PRFH20220311651. Notice was given on October 21st, 2024, for the violation. During a reinspection of this case, the permit was found to be in good standing with an expiration date of May 15th, 2025. Additional checks of the permit found a new expiration date for September 10th, 2025. Due to a duration of time for the permit being opened without being -- having inspections, the case was prepared in conjunction with Case CEROW20250010811. On November 24th, 2025, prehearing inspection showed Permit PRFH20220311561 to be in inspections commenced status with a new expiration date to December 31st, 2025. I have two photos taken by Investigator Migal on July 10th, 2024. Photos are on a joint drive I have access to: One deed proving ownership, permit detail page, aerial from 2025, and two photos taken by myself yesterday, November 20th. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Make a motion to accept the photos. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And a second. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. November 21, 2025 Page 152 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. MR. OWEN: This is what Mr. -- Investigator Migal noted and observed on July 10th, 2024. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: On the violation here, is that for the house, too? MR. OWEN: It's for the permit for the building of that residence. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That residence to include the right-of-way? MR. OWEN: So the -- you had to have two different cases because the right-of-way's under one type of case, and the site development is for the construction of the residence. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Fine. MR. OWEN: So that's what Mr. -- Investigator Migal witnessed on July 10th. Yesterday, this is what I observed. Really no improvement from when Investigator Migal was there. Again, this permit has been open since 2022. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: 2022. You have to do an inspection every six months? MR. OWEN: To keep it active. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Okay. So that's still a ways -- MR. OWEN: And those trusses have to be thrown away. They've been weathered for God knows how long. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So it's partially built -- it's way long. MR. OWEN: (Nods head.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: They've got a problem. And now this respondent you said you have been in contact with? November 21, 2025 Page 153 MR. OWEN: No. She owns the property -- and you can see in the right-hand side of the picture -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yeah. MR. OWEN: -- we actually had the same cases on that property because she wasn't doing anything with it, so she's now going through code cases with that property and now again with this property. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Oh my God. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Is she old? Elderly. MR. OWEN: Yes, sir. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Infirm? Sickly? MR. OWEN: No. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: No? Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: How old is old? Like his old or... MR. OWEN: Yes, sir. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: My age? MR. OWEN: Yes, sir. That's for calling me Bradley all day. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: He got even with me in one fell swoop. MR. OWEN: I do it quick. It's like ripping off the Band-Aid. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Well, I make a motion a violation exists. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Second. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. November 21, 2025 Page 154 BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. You have a suggestion for us, Bradley? How about Brian? MR. OWEN: All right. Recommendation: That the Code Enforcement Board orders the respondent to pay all operational costs in the amount of 59.28 incurred in the prosecution of this case within 30 days and abate all violations by: One, obtaining all required Collier County building permits or demolition permits, inspections, and certificate of completion/occupancy for single-family residence within blank days of this hearing, or a fine of blank dollars per day will be imposed until the violation is abated; Two, the respondent must notify the Code Enforcement investigator when the violation has been abated in order to conduct a final inspection to confirm abatement. If the respondent fails to abate the violation, the County may abate the violation by using methods -- any method to bring the violation into compliance and may use the assistance of the Collier County Sheriff's Office to enforce the provisions of this order, and all costs of abatement shall be assessed to the property owner. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Now, I have a problem with that because this needs a CO, which means they'd have to complete that house -- forget about the right-of-way for now, but they'd have to complete the house to CO status, and it takes a year to do that. And you have been in contact with this person? MR. OWEN: Not since this case -- these cases have been rolling and moving on, and I, you know, tried to get in contact with them up to the week before hearing to try and meet and go over the November 21, 2025 Page 155 stipulation. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Had the respondent been here and asked for time, we would give them the sufficient time to get this done, but they don't -- hopefully they'll be back for whatever we deem necessary on this violation. So as far as a dollar amount -- unless someone else wants to make a motion, I'll do it. I'll give them 270 days and $200 a day thereafter, and 59.28 to be paid within 30 days. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Second. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. It's seconded. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Bradley, thank you. MR. HOLMES: You're welcome. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: You got me. You got me twice already. MS. BUCHILLON: Next case, we're still under hearings. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yep. MS. BUCHILLON: Number 7, CESD20230002881, Edward Silguero and Natividad Silguero. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Sherry's been sitting there patiently waiting. November 21, 2025 Page 156 MS. PATTERSON: It's been a while. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MS. PATTERSON: I do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Your case. MS. PATTERSON: Okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Let the respondent show -- let the record show the respondent is not present. And notification was given... MS. BUCHILLON: For the record, respondent was notified regular and certified mail October 29, 2025, and it was also posted at the property and courthouse November 3rd, 2025. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MS. PATTERSON: So good afternoon. For the record, Investigator Sherry Patterson, Collier County Code Enforcement. This is in reference to Case No. CESD20230002881 dealing with the violations of the Collier County Land Development Code 04-41, as amended, Sections 10.02.06(B)(1)(a), 10.02.06 (B)(1)(e), and 10.02.06(B)(1)(e)(i), required Collier County building permits or demolition permits, inspections, and certificate of completion/occupancy were not obtained prior to the initial placement of a mobile home and/or after-the-fact additions located at 709 Broward Street, Immokalee Road, Immokalee, Florida 34142. Folio 63863720001. Service given on August 1st, 2025, with the NOV posted at the Collier County Courthouse and the property. In addition, the NOV was mailed regular and certified mail to the respondent. Date onto which the violations were to be corrected was August 28th, 2025. This case originated as a complaint with a case open date of November 21, 2025 Page 157 April 3rd, 2023. I met with Eduardo Silguero, one of the property owners, and the current tenant on April 6th, 2023, and discussed the complaint. I took photos of the mobile home and noted obvious additions to the front and to the roof. Extensive research was conducted for permits pertaining to the home and additions using all available permit-search resources, and the only permit that was found was a permit for a 1994 reroof that was void. The property card shows that a 10-by-46 mobile home was built or installed 1980 plus or minus; a wood screened porch, a 10-by-22, was added 1970, plus or minus. A cabana was added in 1970, plus or minus; it's a 24-by-10. And then I have Google Maps from December 2017, June 2011, May 2019, and April 2022 that show evidentiary changes to the mobile home with the wood screened porch being enclosed somewhere between 2011 and 2019. The County has no evidence as to when the roof was -- the roof-over was done. A violation determination was presented to the Collier County building official on July 28th, 2023, and concluded that a violation does exist and that the mobile home requires a Collier County building permit. I would now like to present case evidence in the following exhibits. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Make a motion to accept the photos. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, how many exhibits do you have? MS. PATTERSON: I have 12 exhibits in all -- November 21, 2025 Page 158 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MS. PATTERSON: -- and a determination. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Get a motion. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Make a motion that the photos -- BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It's seconded. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. MS. PATTERSON: Okay. Okay. So do you want me to start over with that? MS. BUCHILLON: That's fine. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: No, we're up to date. MS. PATTERSON: Okay. Sorry about that. So total of 12 photos and a violation determination. Then I've got the four photos from Google Maps and four photos taken by me on April 4th, 2023, and four photos taken by Investigator Jamie Robinson on October 17th, 2025. The photos are stored on a share drive which I have access to, and then there is a violation determination. So this is the first photo of one of the Google Map photos. It basically shows this is the mobile home that we're talking about right here, particularly this roof that goes over here and the screened-in front porch right here. And this one, little mobile home on the side, is actually gone now. This photograph was taken in 2007. November 21, 2025 Page 159 This photograph was taken in 2011. It doesn't show any changes. You can see that the mobile home is pretty much the same. You can see that that other mobile home is gone. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Is it occupied? MS. PATTERSON: It is occupied. This is where you start seeing the changes in the screen porch right here from 2011 to 2019. They made these changes right here and started to enclose it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: God bless you. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Thank you. MS. PATTERSON: This shows the -- this is from May of 2022, and this shows the end of the mobile home with a roof-over. It's a kind of an unusual design here. I'm assuming that this is probably a single-wide mobile home, and then this right here must have been some sort of a cabana or something they added on to put beside there to make more room. The other set of photos are four photos taken by me on April 4th, 2023. It shows the end of the mobile home. And you can see closed in here with part of the sheath missing there, that's the back of the mobile home. This is the other end of the mobile. The next four photos are going to be the ones that were taken by Investigator Jamie Robinson on October 17th, 2025. These photos are stored on a shared drive which I have access to. That kind of shows the end of the mobile home in a partial little peak of the front of the house there. And now you can see they've really, you know, filled it all in and painted it and did everything that they needed to do, then, to make it final. And no changes to the end of the mobile home. It's still got that roof-over on it. That's the back of the mobile home. It's all nicely cleaned up now at least. November 21, 2025 Page 160 And lastly, I'd like to share with you the recommendation. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: The interpretation. MS. PATTERSON: I mean, determination. Signed by the Collier County -- I'm sorry. I messed that up. Let me grab it. This was signed by the Collier County building official basically stating that permits are required for that mobile home. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: For the entire mobile home? MS. PATTERSON: Right. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MS. PATTERSON: And that's all I have. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. And we don't have any permits that have been applied for? MS. PATTERSON: No permits, no? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Make a motion a violation exists. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. And, Sherry, you have a recommendation for us? MS. PATTERSON: Yes. The recommendation is that the Code Enforcement Board orders the respondent to pay all operational costs in the amount of $59.28 incurred in the prosecution of the case within 30 days and abate all violations by: November 21, 2025 Page 161 One, obtaining all required Collier County building permits or demolition permit, inspections, and certificate of completion/occupancy for the dwelling/structure within blank days of this hearing, or a fine of blank per day will be imposed until the violation is abated. The respondent must notify the Code Enforcement investigator when the violation has been abated in order to conduct a final inspection to confirm abatement. If the respondent fails to abate the violation, the County may abate the violation using any method to bring the violation into compliance and may use the assistance of the Collier County Sheriff's Office to enforce the provisions of this order, and all costs of abatement shall be assessed to the property owner. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Do you want to put in your order that they need to vacate the property -- I was going to say immediately -- but within X amount of days? MS. PATTERSON: Um-hmm, we could do that. How many days would we give them? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Is this a safety -- this thing has no inspection. MS. PATTERSON: Well, it has no permits of anything in there, so, yeah. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So a relatively short -- maybe -- MS. PATTERSON: Five days? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I would go 10 days if they've been living in there for many years. MS. PATTERSON: Ten days. Okay. We can do that. I can amend the order. MR. IANDIMARINO: I'm certain that tenant, Mr. Chairman, has been in there for quite a long time in that state as it is, yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So do you think 10 days is a reasonable amount of time to vacate it? November 21, 2025 Page 162 MR. IANDIMARINO: I think that's going to be a hard compliance to gain. I don't believe the individual's going to leave even though the order may say so. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And how about if it's 60 days; you'd still have the same comment? MR. IANDIMARINO: I would. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That's what I figured. So it doesn't matter whether it's 10 days or six months. Okay. Anybody want to fill in the blanks on this? BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Yeah. The original thing was pretty good, 10 days. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, this is -- that's Part 1, vacate the property within 10 days. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Right. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Part 2, give them 90 days to come into compliance, which is generous, or a fine of $200 a day; the costs, 59.28, to be paid within 30 days. MR. NOELL: I would -- I would ask, because this Board legally wouldn't have the power to evict. And so if encouched (phonetic) in the terms of the recommendation giving them the -- following that wording of them obtaining the required Collier County permits and everything else and giving them a certain amount of days to get that, the legal requirement for the Board is a reasonable amount of time to come into compliance. And so that's kind of the rub with -- and I understand the issues and the concerns. But when you're talking about somebody who's living there, you know, that would be the mechanism, would be the recommendation. Do you know what I mean, as far as obtaining the required Collier County permits and all that? Granted, they're probably not going to do that, but I -- I'm hesitant on evict -- you know, this board November 21, 2025 Page 163 signing an order like stating an eviction or have to, you know, get out of the residence within 10 days. Does that make sense? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Not to me. MR. NOELL: Yeah. I don't -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Tom, you commented on this. We don't think they're going to leave in 10 days or 10 months. MR. NOELL: Right. I mean, I think the recommendation from the County, as I'm reading it, is for them to obtain the necessary permits or the completion of occupancy [sic]. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, I don't know if obtaining the permits -- I made the motion for 90 days. I'm amenable to change that, but 90 days, if they can have it inspected -- I mean, they don't have to build it. It's done. But they'd have to pull a permit and get the permits approved, electrical, plumbing, permitting, et cetera. MR. NOELL: Right. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So I don't know -- and at that time they could be into compliance. MR. IANDIMARINO: This is a challenging one, Mr. Chairman, simply because, you know, as Ms. Patterson stated, you know, plus or minus, these items have been there for many, many, many years already. And, you know, now that it's come to light, yes, they have to come into compliance. I'm not certain if ordering somebody to vacate their house is the most appropriate method for the Board. I think to provide somebody an opportunity to work on it while they're still living there may be a more just case, sir. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, I would view this as safety and health. MR. IANDIMARINO: Ultimately, Mr. Chairman, it is your decision and the Board's decision. I'm not going to go against it. I just wanted to express my opinion, sir. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. November 21, 2025 Page 164 MR. IANDIMARINO: Thank you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Anybody have any opinions? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: They've been there decades. Asking them to get out is -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. As I said, you could ask them to get out in 10 days, or you could ask them to get out in 10 months. They're probably not going to get out in either time frame. Yes, Lee. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I think you've got a problem with this case. They're not interested. They didn't show up. We're spending more and more time. They're not interested to participate. And my view, if they're not here to represent themselves, they're not going to pay any fine. So it doesn't matter how many days or how much. That's how I see it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And I don't disagree with you. You've been in contact -- BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: So I'll close by saying I like the shorter period of days, and I like a larger amount on the fine. That might get this person's attention to show up for January. MS. PATTERSON: Yes, I've been in contact with him periodically, but not lately. He's just never around, and when we went up to post notices and stuff, he wasn't there, and so -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Does he occupy the dwelling by himself, or he has a spouse or -- MS. PATTERSON: He occupies it by himself. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. And you put the notification on the door? MS. PATTERSON: Yes. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I give him 60 days and 300 a day and see if he shows up. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I'm amenable to change the days. November 21, 2025 Page 165 BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: I'll second that. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Sixty days. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: And 300. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: And 300 a day, plus the -- MS. BUCHILLON: Would that be for the Part 1 to vacate? BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I think you should leave all your dates. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yeah. Well, we'll make it 60 days to vacate also, and the 59.28 to be paid within 30 days. MS. BUCHILLON: Same amount of fine for the vacate, 300? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: It's going to be hard. If you want to go that route, we can. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Don't know any other way to go. MR. NOELL: So just for clarity on the order, are you saying for the No. 1, they need to either obtain all required permits, a demolition permit inspections, and certificate of completion/occupancy for the dwelling structure, or vacate it within 60 days? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yeah. Or come back to the Board and state your case. MR. NOELL: Well, I need to know. I need to know what the motion -- what the motion is. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Yeah. Because what it sounds like is basically what we're saying is you need to leave and you need to get a permit versus -- MR. NOELL: You need to either get a permit or leave -- BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Or leave. MR. NOELL: -- is what it sounds like is what the Board's saying, and that's different, you know, than the recommendation. So I just want to make sure to -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Forget the vacate. Take that out of November 21, 2025 Page 166 my motion. MS. BUCHILLON: Okay. So it's only going to be a one-part order? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. MR. NOELL: Okay. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: I'm better with that. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Counsel? MR. NOELL: Yes. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: If they vacate per the order, do the fines continue? MR. NOELL: Well, it depends on how this order's worded. It sounds like the Board is now saying -- you know, the motion may be to obtain the required permits, you know, et cetera, within 60 days. If they do that within 60 days, and that's confirmed by the investigator, then the case goes away. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That's right. And if they don't, after 60 days fines start to accrue. I just want to make sure they know the seriousness of this and they show up here. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: This guy's not interested. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. That was our motion. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. November 21, 2025 Page 167 MS. BUCHILLON: Okay. I want to clarify. So we're doing 60 days to get the permits. If not, the fines start accruing. We're not doing any vacating after the 60 days or -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: That's correct. MS. BUCHILLON: Okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: If they get the permits, they don't have to vacate. MS. BUCHILLON: But if they don't get permits -- if they don't do anything for the 60 days -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Then -- MS. BUCHILLON: -- only fines start accruing, or we're vacating also? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Fines start accruing. MS. BUCHILLON: Okay. We have four more cases left. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: I'm probably going to have to leave before that, unfortunately. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: He has to leave as well. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Next case. MS. BUCHILLON: Next case, we're still under hearings, No. 8, CEROW20240008767, Armando Martinez. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. MARINOS: I do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Chuck, your case. If you want to read it into the record for us. MR. MARINOS: I most certainly will. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It's your case. You don't have to read it into the record, just -- November 21, 2025 Page 168 MR. MARINOS: Just read it. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Just present it. MR. MARINOS: Understood. Good afternoon. For the record, Investigator Chuck Marinos, Collier County Code Enforcement. This is in reference to Case No. CEROW20240008767 dealing with violation of the Florida Building Code, 8th Edition (2023), Chapter 1, Part 2, Section 109.1, and the Collier County Code of Laws and Ordinances, Chapter 110, Article II, Division 1, Section 110-31(a), an existing right-of-way driveway apron upon an unimproved Estates zoned property with two expired right-of-way permits pending owed fees located at 735 18th Street Northeast, Naples, Florida 34120. Folio 39322240001. Service was given March 24th, 2025. This case originated as a referral. On November 13th, 2024, Senior Investigator Patterson attempted to contact property owner Armando Martinez to inform him of the violation. Mr. Martinez was unable to be contacted. Investigator Robinson was assigned this case on March 24th, 2025. Investigator Robinson attempted to contact Mr. Martinez, and a notice of violation was posted on the property and was also mailed to Mr. Martinez via regular and certified mail. I was assigned this case on September 9th, 2025. Since that time, no attempts at contact have borne fruit, and no progress has been made on the expired permits. As of 22 October 2025, violation remains. I would now like to present case evidence in the following exhibits: One picture showing the, showing the current permit status. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Get a motion to accept. (Board Member Fuentes is leaving the boardroom for the remainder of the meeting.) November 21, 2025 Page 169 BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Motion to accept. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Let the record reflect that John had to disappear. We smeared him with vanishing cream, and he's off. Okay. Let the record reflect that respondent is not present, and notification was given... MS. BUCHILLON: Respondent was notified regular and certified mail October 29, 2025, and it was also posted at the property and courthouse October 30th, 2025. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. MARINOS: Fairly simple. Two permits expired, left abandoned. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. I'd like to make a motion a violation exists. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? November 21, 2025 Page 170 (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Do you have a suggestion for us? MR. MARINOS: Yes, sir, I do. All right. Recommendation: That the Code Enforcement Board orders the respondent to pay all operational costs in the amount of $59.28 incurred in the prosecution of this case within 30 days and abate all violations by: One, obtaining all required Collier County right-of-way permits, inspections, and certificate of completion or restore the right-of-way to its originally permitted condition within blank days of this hearing or a fine of blank per day will be imposed until the violation is abated; and, Two, that respondent must notify the Code Enforcement investigator when the violation has been abated in order to conduct a final inspection to confirm abatement. If the respondent fails to abate the violation, the County may abate the violation using any method to bring the violation into compliance and may use the assistance of the Collier County Sheriff's Office to enforce the provisions of this order, and all costs of abatement shall be assessed to the property owner. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Have you been in contact with the respondent at all? MR. MARINOS: I have tried every single thing that is possible outside of just knocking on random doors. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Let me fill in the blanks. We're going to give them 30 days, and a fine of $100 a day. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion and a second. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Operational costs. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Operational costs, I said. 59.28 within 30 days. November 21, 2025 Page 171 All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Thank you. MR. MARINOS: Thank you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Thank you, Chuck. Now we only have three cases. MS. BUCHILLON: Next case, we're still under hearings, No. 9, CEPM20240003805, Kings Crown Condominium Motel Association. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. SWEET: I do. For the record, Larry Sweet, Collier County Code Enforcement. This is in reference to Case No. CEPM20240003805 dealing with the violations of compliance with housing standards, Collier County Code of Laws and Ordinances, Chapter 22, buildings and building regulations, Article VI, Property Maintenance Code Sections 22-228(1), 22-241(1), 22-231(12)(b), 22-231(11), 22-31(19). Boarded entry doors and exterior walls, electrical systems in disrepair, exterior walls in disrepair, pool and pool area not maintained in a sanitary condition. This is located at Kings Crown Condominium Motel Association, which is at 10540 Gulf Shore Drive in Naples. Its folio number is 27531160007. November 21, 2025 Page 172 First service given on April 29th, 2024. This case began on April 24th, 2024, with a site visit that was conducted by Investigator Athey. During the initial inspection, the violations previously stated were observed. A notice of violation was posted on the property, courthouse, and sent certified mail. The reinspection was conducted on May 28th, 2024, with a contractor -- with a contractor associated with the HOA. Investigator Athey walked the property with the contractor, Mr. Haney, to point out all violations that needed to be addressed. Mr. Haney advised that the work would begin within a couple of weeks. A boarding certificate was obtained on August 7th, 2024, but since -- has since expired. As of today, the violation remains. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. I don't know if I said it before. Let the record reflect the respondent is not present. And notification was given? MS. BUCHILLON: Respondents were notified regular and certified mail October 29th, 2025, and it was also posted at the property and courthouse October 30th, 2025. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Do you have any pictures that you wanted to present, Larry? MR. SWEET: Yes, sir. We have case evidence of four photos taken by Investigator Athey June 12th, 2024; I have one photo taken by myself October 15th, 2025; two photos taken by myself October 21st of 2025; and three photos taken yesterday, November 20th, as the violation remains. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Make a motion that the photos be accepted. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? November 21, 2025 Page 173 BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Do you want to tell us what we're looking at here? MR. SWEET: Yes, sir. So these are how it's boarded up. How the electrical is capped off. You know, you have your fence there. It's unoccupied, not maintaining the property at all. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: It's a teardown. MR. SWEET: And then here's a photo of the pool. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Oh my God. MR. SWEET: And this is on Gulf Shore Drive. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Good neighborhood. Okay. MR. SWEET: This is yesterday; same situation. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Make a motion that a violation exists. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a second. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. November 21, 2025 Page 174 And you have a suggestion for us, Larry? MR. SWEET: Yes, sir. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. SWEET: The Code Enforcement Board orders the respondent to pay operational costs in the amount of 59.35 incurred in the prosecution of this case within 30 days and abate all violations by: Number 1, obtaining all required Collier County building permits, inspections, and certificate of completion for the repairs to the doors, electrical systems, exterior walls, and pool equipment to bring the property into compliance with requirements of the Collier County property maintenance code within blank days of this hearing or a fine of blank per day will be imposed until the violation is abated; Number 2, by chemically treating the pool water, killing the algae and maintaining the filtration system to keep the pool water clean and provide biweekly treatments or chemically treating the pool water, killing the algae growth and covering the pool to prevent safety hazards, insect infestations, and intrusion of the rainwater within blank days of this hearing, or a fine of blank will be imposed for each day the violation continues; and, Number 3, respondent must notify the Code Enforcement investigator when the violation has been abated in order to conduct a final inspection to confirm abatement. If the respondent fails to abate the violation, the County may abate the violation by using a method to bring the violation into compliance and may use the assistance of the Collier County Sheriff's Office to enforce the provisions of this order, and all costs of abatement shall be assessed by [sic] the property owner. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Let me try to fill in the blanks. November 21, 2025 Page 175 BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I have a suggestion. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: What? BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: For -- break it out separate from No. 1 and No. 2. May I present my -- it's two different -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, it appears to me that this building is abandoned. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: The agent is unable to get ahold of them. What I was going to do is impose a fine of $200 a day. And 60 days is our next meeting, basically, and we'll see if we can have anybody show up. This isn't going to be -- it looks like nobody's going to show up again, as this place may be in foreclosure or who knows what. So dividing it into two or 20 doesn't change anything. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Yeah. I had two -- that's fine. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Sounds good. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: So my motion is $59.35 be paid within 30 days, $200 fine after 60 days is the compliance date. Compliance 60 days. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Second. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: For 1 and 2? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: I'll second that. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. November 21, 2025 Page 176 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Okay. Thank you, Larry. MR. SWEET: Yes, sir. MS. BUCHILLON: Next case, under old business, motion for imposition of fines and liens, No. 2, CEPM20220002333, Treetops of Naples. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: We've had them before. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. MUSSE: I do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, you've been hiding all day? MR. MUSSE: I've been hiding. Just waiting to get called. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well, your case. Oh, no. This one, read into the record. MR. MUSSE: Okay, okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: On June 27th... MR. MUSSE: It's been a while. Rusty. Good afternoon. Investigator Jonathan Musse, Collier County Code Enforcement. On June 27th, 2024, the Code Enforcement Board issued a finding of facts, conclusion of law and order. The respondent was found in violation of the referenced ordinances and ordered to correct the violation. See the attached order of the Board, OR6382, Page 2091, for more information. On July 24th, 2025, the Code Enforcement Board granted a continuance. The violation has not been abated as of October 21st, 2025. Fine and costs to date are as follows: For Unit 5221, fines have accrued at the rate $200 per day for a period from September 26th to November 21, 2025 Page 177 September 24th [sic] to November 21st, 2025, 422 days, for a total fine amount of $84,000 -- $84,400. Unit 5206, fines have accrued at the rate of $200 per day for a period from September 26th, 2024, and [sic] November 21st, 2025, 422 days, for a total fine amount of $84,400. Fines have accrued at the rate of $200 per day for a period from September 26th, 2024, to November 1st, 2021 [sic], t0 2025, 422 days, for a total fine amount of $84,400. Fines continue to accrue. This is a correction with Unit 5401. That one obtained the completion, so that fine amount has to be adjusted because they were in compliance earlier than November 21st. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Do we have any idea what that dollar figure is, then? MR. MUSSE: Let me just look it up real quick. Bear with me, please. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Have you spoken to management recently? MR. MUSSE: I've spoken to Bud plenty of times. Just to give you an update on the case, there's two permits for Unit 5221. One permit was for the repairs to the subfloor. The other permit was for the -- going -- firewall penetration, sorry. So it seemed like the subfloor permit was being held by the fire wall penetration permit from the remodeling that happened inside the unit. So as of right now, that permit is ready for issuance. What's stopping from that permit getting issued is a -- there's a fee of about $800 that need to be paid. I can pull up a permit showing that -- BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Are -- these units have residents in them? MR. MUSSE: Yes. November 21, 2025 Page 178 BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: They do? MR. MUSSE: They do have residents, yeah. So right here you can see the fee amount in the bottom. I don't know if -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I think these originally were reported by the residents. MR. MUSSE: Reported by the residents because the HOA is responsible for the subfloors, yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Right. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: If I remember -- and I sort of remember this case now, there was a gentleman that was on the Board -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Who came before -- BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: -- who was in the construction business that came here and said he was going to supervise and expedite all this, so -- BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Smooth talker. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: He must have left. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: No. MR. MUSSE: To my knowledge, Mr. Bud is working with the contractor, Peter Canaly (phonetic), and he -- you know, he applied for the permit, obtained the permit for this particular one right here that covers the penetration through the firewall. But it's very slow. You know, this case has been open for almost four years now. With the other, Unit 5206, we only observed the damaged subfloor. From what we've been told, the repairs have been made by the unit owner. And I tried to make contact with that unit to verify compliance, knocked on his door several -- left letters, you know, even asked Bud, like -- but I would imagine the HOA has some sort of authority to enter the unit. Especially since it's the subfloor, you have to verify that it has been repaired. I haven't been able to get November 21, 2025 Page 179 back in there just to at least see what repairs were made. Oh, here is -- bear with me. I'm just trying to look for that permit so we can get a date. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Question for counsel: Since these units are occupied, does the Board have the authority to get in there and inspect them for health and safety if there's subfloor problems? MR. NOELL: Well, I think the onus is on the -- per the Board's prior orders, the onus is on the association to have the investigator come to show compliance. It's not on the investigator. And so to the extent that, you know, we're asking -- the County's asking for the imposition of fines, then, you know, if they are in compliance, that would be on the association to reach out, you know, as directed by the order, to the investigator to open up the units. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: My thought on this, since the person who came before us was very helpful -- BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: And I don't know why he didn't show up today, but I would like to give him time to show up. And Mr. Musse has been in contact with him on a regular basis. If the Board agrees, I would like to give them 60 days to come into compliance -- BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Second. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I'd like to impose the fine. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Well -- BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: And I'll tell you why. We can't get them to show up. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: No, no, no. He shows up a lot. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Yes. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: He didn't show up today. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: So you want to give him a November 21, 2025 Page 180 pass -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: I'd like to -- because he was so helpful and has gone above and beyond. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: So what -- how many days is it till our next meeting? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Sixty. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Sixty? That's fine. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. NOELL: And ops costs of 59.49? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Continue to accrue. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: So it's a 60-day continuance? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Correct. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. So I'd like to make a motion to grant a 60-day continuance. You can tell him we did that because he was so forthright in showing up, however you contact him. The 59.49 to be paid within 30 days. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Second. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: And the meter's still on? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yeah. The fines continue to accrue. That's my motion. BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Second it. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Seconded. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER FUENTES: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? November 21, 2025 Page 181 (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. Okay. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: We are talking about the same guy, right? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes, yes. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Okay. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Thanks, Joe -- Jonathan. MR. MUSSE: Thank you. MS. BUCHILLON: Okay. Last case, we're still under imposition of fines, No. 3, CESD20180012140, Armando Yzaguirre. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. MATOS: I do. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Let the record reflect the respondent is not present. Notification was given... MS. BUCHILLON: Respondent was notified regular and certified mail October 29, 2025. I don't have a posting date for that one. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. MATOS: For the record, Jeremiah Matos, Collier County Code Enforcement. I am filling in for Mr. Joseph Mucha in this case. MR. NOELL: I'm sorry. Ms. Buchillon, can you -- can you go through how notice was provided for the hearing again. MS. BUCHILLON: Mailed -- regular and certified mail, October 29, 2025. MR. NOELL: Okay. MS. BUCHILLON: I don't have a posting date. MR. NOELL: Do you have any indication that it was posted, or is it just silent as to that? November 21, 2025 Page 182 MS. BUCHILLON: He's going to look in the case. MR. NOELL: Okay. But it was sent out regular and certified mail to the address -- MS. BUCHILLON: Yes. MR. NOELL: -- at the -- MS. BUCHILLON: Yes. MR. NOELL: -- Property Appraisers? MS. BUCHILLON: Yes, it was. MR. NOELL: Okay. Thank you. That's sufficient for me. MS. BUCHILLON: Plenty of time. Yes, yes. MR. NOELL: Thank you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. MR. MATOS: Past orders -- CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Do you want to read it into -- yeah, past orders. MR. MATOS: Will do. Past orders: On June 27th, 2024, the Code Enforcement Board issued a findings of fact, conclusion of law and order. The respondent was found in violation of the referenced ordinances and ordered to correct the violation. See the attached order of the Board, OR6382, Page 2089, for more information. On January 23, 2025, and May 22nd, 2025, the Code Enforcement Board granted a continuance. The violation has not been abated as of November 21st, 2025. Fines and costs to date are as followed [sic]: Fines have accrued at a rate of $200 per day for a period from December 28, 2024, to November 21st, 2025, for a total of 329 days, for a total fine amount of $65,800. Fines continue to accrue. Previously assessed operational costs of $59.28 and $59.56 have been paid. Operational costs for today's hearing is $59.77. Total November 21, 2025 Page 183 amount, $65,859.77. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Have you been in contact with the respondent? MR. MATOS: So what Joe told me is he actually made a phone call yesterday to the respondent. He hasn't received a phone call back. MS. BUCHILLON: If I may, I do have a posting date, which they checked on. It was posted October 30th, 2025. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. That makes Kevin happy. Violation has not been abated. The only thing I can say is we imposed the fine. There's nobody here. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: I'll second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. Make a motion to impose the fine and to include the $59.77 operational costs. The fine is $65,859.77. MS. BUCHILLON: Fines continue to accrue. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Fines continue to accrue. Get a second. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Second. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Second. All those in favor? BOARD MEMBER ELROD: Aye. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER AYASUN: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Aye. BOARD MEMBER DOINO: Aye. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: It carries unanimously. MR. MATOS: Thank you. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Anything else, Helen? MS. BUCHILLON: No, sir. I think we're done. November 21, 2025 Page 184 CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Okay. A sterling job done by all. MR. IANDIMARINO: Thank you, Board, for your patience today. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We are -- MS. BUCHILLON: We'll see you next year. CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yes. No meeting in December. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Do you want these books back? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: Yeah. Put them with all your papers. BOARD MEMBER RUBENSTEIN: Garbage. MS. BUCHILLON: Are we adjourned? CHAIRMAN KAUFMAN: We are adjourned. ******* There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 1:55 p.m. CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD _______________________________ ROBERT KAUFMAN, CHAIRMAN These minutes approved by the Board on __________________, as presented ______________ or as corrected _____________. 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