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GAC Minutes 07/07/2025 Draft 1 Golden Gate Estates Land Trust Committee, Meeting Minutes from Monday, July 7, 2025, at 5:30 pm The meeting was held at the Greater Naples Fire Rescue District, Administration Headquarters, located at 14575 Collier Blvd. Naples, Florida 34119. Jeff Curl, Chairman: It is 5:30 p.m. This is the GAC Land Trust meeting, Golden Gate Estates, whatever the County has rebranded it as. We have roll call, please. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: Shirley Noya. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Jeff Curl. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Aaron Zwiefel. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Alright, and then we have an agenda in front of us, and I know Staff's got some changes to it. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: Good afternoon. I'm Jennifer Belpedio. I'm the Manager of Real Property. I will start out by first informing you that this meeting is being recorded. This is the first time we're trying this. Usually, we take manual notes, we have a recorder, and it will be picking up your voice. And the hope is next time at the meeting we'll have verbatim minutes for you showing you by name of the speaker, what has been said. So we're going to try that out, but we also have minutes taken down just in case. So I wanted to just leave that for everybody's awareness. Additionally, there are two items on here that are indicated in italics. The section of the agenda is 5 B & C. Those are EMS items, and um, those are being withdrawn. EMS is here because they have other applications on the agenda. You're certainly welcome to speak about those items in concept, because my understanding is that they will be bringing applications forward in a future time for those two items. It might be different funding requests. But they will be bringing them. And the last thing I'll add is that you'll see that in the business, there's a reference to a water tender truck being purchased by Greater Naples. And I'm sure you noticed outside their beautiful truck is parked for your viewing and it depends on what you like to do if you want to go out and see it in the middle of the meeting or at the end of the meeting or you know it's-- it's whatever you'd like to do that you can walk around the vehicle and that's-- that's what I have. Jeff Curl, Chairman: So, we've got an agenda in front of us that's been amended with 5. B & C taken off or at least postponed to a future meeting. Do I have a motion to approve the agenda as amended? Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: I approve it. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: Second. 2 Jeff Curl, Chairman: All in favor? Jeff Curl, Shirley Noya, and Aaron Zwiefel, Committee: Aye. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Passes unanimously. Minutes from October 14th. Did everybody get a chance to read those? Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Yes. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: Yes. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Any changes for adjustments? And if not, I will accept the motion. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Alright, I move to accept the minutes from the October 14th meeting. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: Second. Jeff Curl, Chairman: All right. All in favor? Jeff Curl, Chairman: Aye. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Aye. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: Aye. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Old business. Well, Sarah's not here, so we'll have to welcome her also at a future meeting. Next is EMS, Ambulance, and equipment. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: Okay, you should be--uh made aware that the Item is for ambulance and equipment. This item was before the GAC Committee twice. The first time to approve for funding and the second time was recently in October, where EMS asked for an extension of time to order their vehicle and also get their equipment. They've had supply chain issues, and the request for the extension was taken to the Board of County Commissioners in December of 2024, and the Board of County Commissioners approved the extension to January 10th of 2028. So, EMS now has until that date to purchase their vehicle and get their equipment for reimbursement. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Sounds good. That's already two and a half years. Uh 4. C, Greater Naples Water Tender Truck. As you mentioned, it's outside. I don't know what the committee wants to do, but to me, for fluidity of the meeting and basically respecting everybody's time, my preference is to do it after the meeting. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Agreed. 3 Jeff Curl, Chairman: Okay. So we'll push that off. But anyway, did you, did Staff want to update us on? Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: Yes, the update is it's been purchased, and we've reimbursed them for the funds. Something I should also mention, I believe that I should have said earlier in the meeting, we have a quorum. It takes three members of this committee to have a quorum, and we have that today, so we can go forward with new business when we get there. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Which is where we are at now. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: Okay, good timing. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Exactly. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: Would you like me to present that one? We have Valerie, a now former member. She put in her resignation to the committee. Her resignation is in the package. What we typically do is we advertise on the website through the Clerk's office for people to apply, like you all have. And that advertisement stays open until we get applicants. So far, we haven't received any, but if you know anybody, if there's anybody here from the public that wants to apply, ask your friends in the community. It would be great to fill the vacancy. Jeff Curl, Chairman: And we have two, though, or just the one. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: We have just the one vacancy. We were full for a minute; we had all the positions full for a very short period of time. Jeff Curl, Chairman: All right, sounds good. Uh, B & C are gone. D, Item D, EMS funding for two F-250s. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: Well, the gentlemen to my left are here, they're from EMS. We can start out with their request for two F-250 trucks in the amount of $301,532.00. They can tell you about the vehicles they need, where the vehicles will be, or, you know, obviously, to serve the-- the Golden Gate Estates. Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: Okay, so the two F-250s, what--what the purpose is--is because we all know how the terrain is in-- in the Estates, and sometimes we have the brush fires and certain calls, sometimes we can't reach certain patients. So typically, we would stand by, you know, wait for Fire to come up or just wait. If we have these F-250s, they'll be serving our Battalion Chiefs, as their trucks, and they'll be able to transport our crews to the patients that are hard to get to, bring them back out. They're also going to sit a little bit higher than what we currently have, which are the Ford Explorers. So we all know how the rain is out there, it gets real flooded out there, so it also it'll also 4 give us a command presence also because it'll have a pull-out command station in the back, that allows us to have more radio contact, because we're gonna have the Wi-Fi capability also within the truck. So as we all know, it's kind of hard to have any kind of communications back and forth certain areas out there in the Estates. But that's what that's basically what-- what we want those units for because they're going to be multi-use, they're going to help with the transport patients, command staffing, they're just going to have a big role out there for us. And it should be Station 74, or Station 71 is where we're looking, or Station 10 is also where we're looking the put the unit. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Do you guys have any now? Any F-250s now? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: We have, no, we have an F-150, but we need the 2-F250s. Jeff Curl, Chairman: And why two of them? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: And why two of them? Jeff Curl, Chairman: Yeah, instead of one. Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: Okay, because one is going to be at the station is going to take one of our Battalion Chiefs, which is at 82, he's going to swap into that truck. And then we want to have one at station 74 when that station opens up to have more, either the amount of buildings that are going out there for future expansion. Jeff Curl, Chairman: So, I've got a four-wheel drive F-150 that will do the same thing as an F-250. So why does the Battalion Chief need an F-250? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: Well, because of the weight that's everything that's being put on. Because when you have the command in the back, it's a lot of weight back there. So, we were actually looking for an F-150, they told us the chassis just won't hold it. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Really? Okay. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: What's the um--what's the depreciation life on one of these? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: On the trucks themselves? It's the same model that uh Greater Naples is using. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: So, what are we, the depreciating or how are we knowing that? 5 Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: That - I wouldn't be able to tell you this. That's finance. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: What, typically, how do guys, what do you guys have as the typical usable life on these vehicles? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: Our usual typical usable life for these vehicles is like about five years. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Five years? Okay. So, typically, how do you guys fund these vehicles? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: We put it on our budget; it's a part of our budget. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: And was this, were these two were actually even in uh including D, excuse me, E, were these a part of the normal budget? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: No. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: Who said it's going to -- Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: When do you guys normally do budgeting? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: We start actually a couple months before October, just to get our funding together. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: And we've known that I'm sure you've known that 74 has been or it's been planned for quite a number of years. Actually, a station out in that part of the Estates has been planned for quite a number of years. Um, why wasn't that put into the budget for this year when you needed them? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: That was prior to me. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Okay. It's - it's a question. Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: Well they're good, good question, but that was prior to me. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: You mentioned it's gonna have Wi-Fi capability? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: Yes. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: It's gonna be Starlink? It's gonna be -- what, what Wi-Fi is it gonna use? You said it's to be used out in the Estates, where it's a little bit -- 6 Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: It will also have that component in it because our ambulances have it also. So it's a cradle, it has a cradle. Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: So it'll allow that capability. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: If there's Wi-Fi capability out there. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: And what percentage of this 301,000 - what is that as a percentage of the total value of these vehicles, is 100%? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: 100%, uh there is a small thing about like taxes aren't in there. It's the full purchase. Jeff Curl, Chairman: There was a pie chart that I asked to be distributed or a bar graph. It's very easy to read, so that you can see who's requested what and by what we have funded in the past. Did you guys get a chance to see that? Iveta Willer, Operation Support Specialist-Real Property: This was in a package, but I have extra ones, and I can provide them to Jeff. Jeff Curl, Chairman: No, please, that'd be great. Because my preference here is actually, instead of going one by one, how they're listed here, is kind of bundle all the EMS stuff together. Cause I glazed over the other two, but I will have a follow-up question on Item C. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: I'd like to follow with one last question. Currently, what is the rate or what is the sum of what you charge for patients to use your vehicles? How much does the patient's insurance use up? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: It depends; there's a flat rate fee. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: And if-- if the GAC is funding us and-- and it's worth 100% funding this, does it mean this community getting break or discounted because, that's a good portion of the cost, but, you guys would have the cost covered of the vehicle and if the GAC, Estates is covering the costs of the vehicle to be used in the Estates, it seems like it should really go against your own budget. It shouldn't necessarily be part of us, the Golden Gate Estates, funding them if we're not going to get a benefit other than just having them housed in our area. If that makes sense. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Maybe it does. And I think what Aaron's also trying to say is that we're a committee unto our own. I think of staffing or think of equipping another station in town where you don't come to a committee to ask, so I think that's where this is coming from. 7 Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: What I'm feeling like is the GAC is a piggy bank, and these vehicles haven't been appropriately budgeted for through your own budgets. And they haven't been approved to your budgets, so short-circuiting that and coming to the GAC and saying, you know what, we want you to fund a 100%, I'm really having a struggle with that. Especially if the community itself isn't going to get any benefit aside, just being located and just being out there, because it wouldn't be any different than if you were standing up a new EMS station in town, you'd still have to budget for it. Right? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: Right. I understand what you're saying. Jeff Curl, Chairman: I guess a logical question, too, is if the committee says no or our recommendation is no to the Board of County Commissioners, obviously, you can petition that. How would you fund this? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: Well, we would have to we would have to hold off because even-- even the-- Jeff Curl, Chairman: Hold off for what? Because that station's pretty close to opening. Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: We can still put a truck out there, right, but it'll just limit our capabilities, and we will have to rely on our partners to-- to do that because even even, for example, even the ambulances. That's an eighteen-month build-out. So that's-- that's what we're waiting for. We have ambulances to put out there, but it's just that's what we're gonna have to, that's what we're gonna have to wait for. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: So, so where I was heading with this, I'm glad you caught some of that. I'm glad you brought up 18 months. Why wasn't this brought up 18 months ago? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: I wasn't -- Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: And I'm not, I'm not trying to pin you. I'm gonna, as a general sense, if we knew that he was out there, we knew the buildings were going to be out there, whether it was going to be up on the 22nd, I think, or down in Desoto, really makes no difference. There was going to be a station out there in that part of the Estates or the county. Why wasn't that addressed back then? I guess it's just a really very general question. Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: I did look at that. I can tell you there's like there's a lot of moving parts on that with uh North putting up trust when we focus on the southeast side of the county, because we don't have to focus out there, so there's a couple of little things there, but I wasn't here. 8 Jeff Curl, Chairman: Right, well again to me I'd we can do this line by line if you want or to me we can go, you know, with kind of what I'll call an EMS package if you will, funding wise, whatever makes sense to you. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: I have no problem doing it together, really. It sounds like GAC is being requested to fund 100% of the funding for these to merge the four vehicles. I would agree with the percentage of it, 100% funding, I would—will struggle with. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: I completely agree. I was thinking the same thing. You wouldn't build a school and not have desks or, you know. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: I mean, short-sightedness of whether it's whether it's budget shortfalls or whatever the situation was, you know, it should have come before us 18 months ago. And because it was a need that was known, coming in at the 11th hour and saying we've got ahead now, and we still don't make something take 18 months to build them. What are we going to do for that 18 months? And we really have that station number 74 is going to be open, probably end of the year, right? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: They said September. I think it's going to be closer to the end of the year. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: So, for 18 months somebody's running short. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: That's what I'm understanding, yes. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: Yeah, somebody's running short. Whether it be out there you have to borrow from, you know, one of the other stations or whatever. Somebody's running short. Jeff Curl, Chairman: What's interesting is that it's almost a two-fer, two F-250s, two medic rescue units. So even if we say, hey, let's split the cost, we're still funding one of each. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: They're still funding that station where you're going to be at. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: And again, the community as a whole is not getting a benefit aside, just having it in the community. If we're not getting any financial benefit. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: Where's the county tax part? Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Yeah, exactly.-- Exactly. But, but even you should give possible a break, right? 9 Shirley Noya, Committee Member: Correct, something, some benefit. Jeff Curl, Chairman: So, the overall benefit, and because I'm within five miles of that station, I can say that is correct, and homeowner's insurance. That's it. That's the only one. But that's, but it's a limited raise. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: But again, that's but that's but it's a limited radius. But again, though that that's-- that's specific to having-- having the station there. The equipment on the other hand, right? That's a whole different discussion point, I think. Do you want to bring it to a vote? Jeff Curl, Chairman: Well, it's that or we really go through, yeah, I mean, if you want to, I don't know. Sounds like everybody's, you know, either split cup or do you want to go to the to the next Item E? Shirley Noya, Committee Member: I don't see, I mean we can do it in a chunk if you want, but I'm not- I- I'm with you guys. I don't see the whole cost. Jeff Curl, Chairman: And skin in the game is always a good thing. Um, so what is a 50- 50 split? What--does the committee think? Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: I think let's have let's have the EMS come back to us with what they think is appropriate um, because honestly, it's going, it needs to go through their budgeting process. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: Yeah, because it feels like our pie chart here. That's- Jeff Curl, Chairman: Yeah. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: Annihaltes the pie. Jeff Curl, Chairman: It- it does. And then, in rough and in rough numbers, make the difference. I always go with you know, first responders. So the immediate one that jumps out is Greater Naples. They're, you know, we're up to 1.1 and change million of funding for them. EMS at 255, so I don't have my phone here to play calculator, but you know roughly 850,000 is what EMS is, you know, if we're looking at it as an even funding. issue, um, which comes to be, ironically enough, almost half of the total of those two items, D and E. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: I think we're, regardless of even heading up, this is something a little more basic, is, um, these are depreciable pieces of equipment. We're gonna get a limited lifetime, limited benefit of these, like they're going to have to be replaced. So, my preference would be if the committee would be more interested in this is I'd like to see more durable things. Like, for instance, the tower installation. Completely bought off on that. And that is a huge, huge benefit. Huge benefit. Beyond that. 10 Shirley Noya, Committee Member: Well, that was my whole point. We can put Wi-Fi and all of this in these vehicles, but we can't connect to anything? Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: But I think that's-- that's what, you know, funding the, you know, right. Funding the other stuff, I, you know, I don't have a problem with it. I personally don't, from the community standpoint, I think it's very beneficial. But again, it's got limited use. It's gonna, I mean, we're here, you said five years. Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: Those trucks, these are their freight liners or they-- they-- they last long, yeah, we still have freight liners that carry operation. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: No, I understand that. Don't get what I'm saying as beating you guys up, because I'm not. I'm looking at this from a community benefit as it has very equivocal hands on these books. And I think a lot of this money was for money was really to benefit the community. What can we do? Is it a tower out there? Great, if it's a tower, then the community should take benefit in that. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: This is a benefit they're already paying for. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Yeah, when they're getting charged for it, they're not getting any-- any break on their rates. I have a real struggle with that. You know? Because if you're paying thousands of dollars, seven hundred thousand dollars for EMS transport, we're in the community we you know, we're in that, that community, you know, they should see some type of benefit for looking out there and using the equipment that they just purchased within their, you know, for their use. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Since it's come up a couple of times and it sounds like we're jumping around anyway, what is the reason you guys pulled the cell phone tower? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: Because the initial estimate that we had, we were, we were initially told one price, then we were told a different price, then we were just told another price, so we're trying to get all those numbers together. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: I'm assuming these prices are escalating? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: Actually, yeah, they went up, but they went down, and they're a lot less than what it was before. Because you have the just 700, but then it went down, then we had an estimate of 51, which was wrong, and now it's like 565 or something. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Tell'em sold! Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: I know, but that's the thing, we don't have everything together yet. 11 Jeff Curl, Chairman: Exactly. The tower, the question I had on the tower, though, that's interesting, is that Facilities told me it wouldn't fit on the site. You know, you-- you gotta have that drop rate. Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: So this one, this would be a collapsible tower. So, it'll collapse on itself. And that's where the-- the difference in information, so 'cause we were initially told seven, which is what you have, which was there seven hundred. That's what we were initially told it was, like six eighty something. So that's why we said, okay, let's do seven for now, and ultimately decided to walk it back later. Jeff Curl, Chairman: How long is that one gonna take, by the way? If you if you said, hey cell phone company or tower manufacturer, we want it, how quickly is that? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: We could just order it because we have cell phone companies that want to be on it. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: But isn't it like six months before it's up in or do you know? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: No, I don't--I don't know how long it's gonna take for them to put it up there. But there's a site, but I just don't know exactly how long that's going to take. Ever since we removed it, it was, you know, focusing on the others. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: But I see that as a bigger benefit. Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: That was the other thing. It was initially what was go in, I had said before, was a fifty-foot tower. But we asked for a hundred-foot tower. So we can have about two miles radius. But that's that again, that's where the confusion started. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Now, would these rental fees go back to GAC? Because you're gonna have they're gonna have folks, you're going to have folks renting that space at the tower. If we fund it at all, if that should or if it had to be funded at all, that should be coming back to the GAC as part of the rental. Jeff Curl, Chairman: That I don't agree on. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: How so? Jeff Curl, Chairman: Well, I mean, it's their site, if they're gonna maintain the site, we're not paying for maintenance, we're not paying for power. There does need to be, you know, at some point a hand off. We fund things. And we don't turn around and ask for it. It's like us saying, well, let's advertise Fourth of July on the library site, a site that we funded 10 years ago. We don't do that. So on that point, I don't agree. But I do agree that in everything 12 that you're presenting today, and cell phone towers, it's been needed for years. All right, so getting back on track, that answers that on the cell phone tower. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: Can we send this back to them and have them present? Make some sort of adjustment? Jeff Curl, Chairman: I guess you could. Yeah, we'd almost have to do a special meeting. How quickly could you follow up on the cell phone tower issue? I know you said you dropped it and jumped off that ship, but how quickly can we hop right back on that train? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: Two to three weeks. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Two to three weeks. Okay. Can we do a special meeting in a month or do you need 30 days to advertise? Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: We can. Unless you're comfortable with what you know now, and you have a maximum value you'd fund. I mean, just say, you might want to hear the whole presentation or know what the full cost is, and I appreciate that. Jeff Curl, Chairman: We're looking at the full cost right in front of us. You know what I mean? Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: I'd prefer to have a special meeting, but yeah. Jeff Curl, Chairman: I mean, I hate to tie things together. I'm an a la carte kind of guy, but in this case, man, to me, C, D, and E, those three issues right there all go together for me. They do. I was absolutely thrilled when I read the package in advance that you were looking at a cell phone tower. Took the wind out of my sails. Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: Two to three weeks. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: And it sometimes takes us a couple of weeks to get our advertisements and everything out. So, from when they get us their complete materials, we would be able to then start scheduling the meeting and coordinating the dates with you all. Jeff Curl, Chairman: I was right, I horse trade, but Aaron's driving a hard bargain too, with you guys going back and seeing what's in your budgeting. I guess for this year, you'd be funding it for this year. Would you fund these apparatus in the next couple of months in that building? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: Yeah, that's it. It'll be in October. Jeff Curl, Chairman: So we can have answers in two to three weeks on that? 13 Bruce Gastineau, Chief – EMS: It's not in the budget process for next year. The apparatus will have to wait for the following year. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Holy cow. So, like four years to actually get them on site? Bruce Gastineau, Chief – EMS: Not that long, but it'd take a while. Jeff Curl, Chairman: We just granted, no offense, but we just granted a three-year extension on pieces of equipment. I don't mean to be a jerk, but that's exactly what happened at our October meeting. So, I tend to be a little pessimistic. Um, yeah, and I liked Chief Butcher. I really did, on the record. She's the one that pushed for this site, found this site. That's the reason why we're sitting here. But yeah, if that's where the kind of finger is pointing, and that's-- that's huge. How on earth can you build a brand new building and not have the equipment in there? Or at least something to rotate in and out that's fairly new, so they can have the end of your life cycles on a piece of equipment. Alright, so what's the committee want to do? Do the bundle see D and E in three weeks or a month, whatever. Staff needs. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: I think we should take care of D and E right now because that's what they're waiting on. Jeff Curl, Chairman: D and E right now. Take C offline Shirley Noya, Committee Member: Yeah, C, we can do in a month or whatever and take D and E. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Alright. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: But what are the options of D and E? What do we want? You want them to go back? I'd like them too. Jeff Curl, Chairman: You wanted them to go back. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Well, I'd like to I'd like to understand one um how- - how we're going to route them through there, regardless of whether these are these are proposed to for the County Commissioners or not. And because it sounds like you've been 18 months, regardless of what happens, right? You're going to have to cover that area. Additionally, what is the “if” it's going on your budget? Would you want to do a split on this? Because I-I struggle with 100%. Just because again, I know you guys are honest, but- -but we're not getting any true benefit out of it aside from having positioned out there, and um which is which is a huge benefit, but at the same time, we're not seeing that as a monetary benefit to the community. So I would see, you know, I'd say what percentage would you guys be willing to work with. 14 Jeff Curl, Chairman: And then I'm a little more cut and dry. I mean, whether you want to call it a fifty-fifty split, cost share, whatever. They're asking for two. In a nutshell, that's one of each. Which is roughly $800,000, ironically enough. About brings us almost even steven with Greater Naples, close. Um, that's where I'm at. So-so, it sounds like Shirley, unfortunately, you're going to a tie-breaker on this issue. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: Oh goodness. I'm more inclined to go with Aaron because I feel that's how do you build a building, and like for the next 18 months, you guys have no equipment other than you're going to piecemeal it from other stations, correct? Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: I mean, we have trucks, but yes, I mean - Shirley Noya, Committee Member: None that belongs to that Station. Nothing was budgeted for those. Richard Esquerete, Deputy Chief - EMS: Right, it was there, but for some reason it got held up somewhere. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: But, and then the sad thing is, come October, Fiscal, County, you guys don't have it budgeted either. So, you don't have it budgeted even for the next? So, you were counting on the GAC to purchase these. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: Mr. Chairman, can I ask a question of EMS? Jeff Curl, Chairman: Please. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: Do you have the funds to pay for half of the vehicles if the advisory committee were to recommend and the board were to approve 50% for each vehicle? Do you have the other 50%? Are you able to? I'm asking because I just didn't want to put them in a position where the committee and the board fund half, but practically speaking, they can't buy it at all because they don't have the other half. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: Well, I think when you were saying half, it was full. So, is that - am I correct? When you said half? Jeff Curl, Chairman: Yeah, if they're asking. One full. Yeah, if they’re asking for two. Because they're asking for two of each. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: I understand. I just heard it differently. I heard Aaron had it half and half, and the chairman had one, and you were the tiebreaker. So, I wanted to just make sure that I was following along here. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Yeah, at the end, we're on the same page. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: That's good. Okay, good,-- good, good. 15 Jeff Curl, Chairman: Michael, I think, had his hand up before. Did you want to add something? Mike Ramsey, Public: Oh, only when you're allowing the public to speak. I thought you were going to have a total vote. Jeff Curl, Chairman: We haven't figured it out. Go for it. Mike Ramsey, Public: So, Mike Ramsey, President of the Golden Gate Estates Area Civic Association. Number one, Section 74 is a blessed welcome out in the Estates, especially for insurance. Number two, I'm going to tell you we would support more exploration of not the 100% funding. Options against the 100%. Number three, EMS and mostly EMS, and a lot of the fire departments, we look at stuff for them and output it. For a six-minute response time or less than these Estates, which we're having a big problem with. Mike Ramsey, Public: So these issues with equipment are secondary to the station. The station is tremendously helpful for six-minute response times. Because of the traffic patterns out there and the way the limitation on the roads, that's a big deal. I'm not so sure about the vehicles as they're being explained. The tower. For information, the Golden Gate Estates Civic Association will be submitting a plan to the Golden Gate area - Jeff Curl, Chairman: The master plan? Mike Ramsey, Public: Master Plan, which we're fixing to get into updating. And we are going to submit a proposal plan and intersections on Everglades Boulevard and DeSoto in those specific areas. We're going to request that they approve what we would call a - I call it a communication tower, subunit. So we were taking area around an intersection and classifying it, pre-approved it to build a tower. similar to the commercial zones we had that we put improved in there. We're trying to simplify the private sector fellow topics by approving the traditional use issue. Now-- Jeff Curl, Chairman: There's already some improved. Mike Ramsey, Public: No,-- no, I mean, they're not coming out of the ground. They're going to be up and down the roads based on the five and four-radius capabilities where they can put towers. Because we need to take the advantage on this and say we need to improve our cellular connections. And we could also see if we could improve an area beside Station 74 to four projects coming soon. Now, I'm not sure how the uh-- uh EMS station and Fire stations deal with dealing with a private tower owner. Because the private tower owner rents off the spaces and collects the revenue. So the EMS Tower can also rent, if approved, or conditionally used, the property adjacent to 74, in that area. The tower will be built by a private manufacturer for lease back to County. That's an option for consideration. We're going to push that. And I think we're going to be successful with it because the 16 current process of hit and miss random people showing up for conditional use reason. It's really random. My people are real, the Estates people are really suffering east of Everglades for a cell tower. And I have heard from Greater Naples Fire that fire response is becoming very dependent on cell tower coverage. So, throw that in there for consideration. The special meeting sounds good, how about that? More than one. Jeff Curl, Chairman: It does, but there's an approved cell phone tower that comes to mind right along Golden Gate Boulevard, just west of Everglades, I think, around 22nd or something. I think it was approved two years ago. Mike Ramsey, Public: Well, I got two more in the case. Jeff Curl, Chairman: But that's the private sector, and I'm just telling you they're not doing anything. The ones that seem to be folks that are either first responders or the school district putting up towers. Mike Ramsey, Public: Well in this conversation, we had that conversation that Butcher on 74 and the tower was in, the tower was out, the tower was in, the tower was in, the tower was out. We kind of decided, you know, we're going to go in. You see we're going to make a plan. Every two and a half miles up of DeSoto, we have a cell tower property that has been pre-approved for traditional use for a cell tower network. Based on five cell tower coverage, which is 5 miles, no 2.3 miles. Something like that. So, if we take the initiative to do this, maybe you can help out one of the agencies. Jeff Curl, Chairman: All right. Mike Ramsey, Public: All we're going to do, basically, on the cell tower thing, we're going to submit a plan up and down DeSoto and Everglades. Maybe every 2.5 miles. We're going to look at the intersection and pre-approved the properties in the five-mile area, and they have a 10-acre area pre-approved for cell tower construction. So that it accelerates the purchase of the property. We would be following uh approval of the county, BCC. I know it works, and if you just pre-approved it. But right now it's random that the cell servers are thrown out there in all different locations just based on the winds of the companies, and um, we're going to go through certain locations to make that a systematic coverage. Something you can wait on and see. And again, the special meeting sounds like a good idea. I have some more, I'll bring, and I'll bring my plans. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Sounds like we're coming back in three weeks anyway. So we'll look forward to seeing those. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Mr. Chairman, can we take a vote now on? Jeff Curl, Chairman: Oh, we don't have motion yet. You two need to get a motion going. 17 Shirley Noya, Committee Member: I agree with you on that 100%. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: So, the way it's written right now, the way D and E is written, I would make the motion to not approve D or E at this point, as written. Jeff Curl, Chairman: That's your motion? Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: That's all. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Are you seconding that motion? Shirley Noya, Committee Member: Yes. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Okay. Any comments from the public? Nope. Will close public comment. All in favor of the motion, say aye. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Aye. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: Aye. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Opposed? Well, that would be me. Okay, so that closes out C, D, and E. We are now-- Shirley Noya, Committee Member: So, if we do this special, can they bring that back? Jeff Curl, Chairman: Bring which back? D and E? Shirley Noya, Committee Member: D and E. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Well, I guess in a modified form. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: It's just the way it is. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Yeah, that’s--that's as written, I can't, yeah. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: If they want to modify and…bring it back. Jeff Curl, Chairman: It sounds like they didn't even want to go half. And I was I was at least going to give you one of each. So-- so well something less than that. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: We're voting on how it's written, though, no? Jeff Curl, Chairman: Correct, on the agenda. Well, sure, I mean the motions already passed, but no, my discussion point was half of each. So, if you're saying that it’s not acceptable and you're saying that's not acceptable, all I'm saying is a guidance point for them to come back. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Okay. 18 Jeff Curl, Chairman: It's got to be less than 50%. Otherwise, it's going to fail again. All right? Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Okay. Jeff Curl, Chairman: So, Item F. We're moving on. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: Well, this item is regarding the disposition of the properties that are now in the GAC holdings. You know, this is more of the old business, new business. There's not anything that you need to decide upon. But these continue to be your holdings. We have two properties that are reserved for public entities. One is the School Board property that's on the chart stated as School Board. And at the last meeting, the chair asked the representative of the Board to attend this meeting, and after a lot of efforts to reach him, we have not heard back. I will tell you that our attempts have been on a more informal basis, emails, phone calls. I would suggest at this point that we send more direct communication to the School Board officials themselves and see what their intentions are. And if they're interested, I'm sure they will let him know they're interested, and he will find his way to us. That is my suggestion, unless you have any other comments you would like to make. Jeff Curl, Chairman: It isn't. The only thing I would add is the sense of urgency. I mean, we're a committee that's made to sunset. We're made to ride off into the wild blue yonder and close our doors. Hopefully that urgency helps them communicate, because at some point something's going to happen, and if we're not in the mix anymore, and the board is, we already know the accounting attorney thinks that-- that is County property, not necessarily designated for them. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: I will make sure to communicate that. While I can't speak for them, I can only guess that since it's been so long on this list, that they've just been waiting until they were ready to actually use the property. And it sounds like the better approach for the community, for the County, would be to get it transferred to them if they're interested. And then they can pay for it and hold it until they're ready to use it. So, there's that one. And, um, better news with a public entity is the North Naples Fire and Rescue District. There's a parcel on here to show what the market value is. And our Real Property Appraiser, Roosevelt, is here. He's prepared an appraisal of that property for $72,000. So, we will contact them with that amount and work with them on an agreement to take to the board. What I should mention to you is that after we met with you in October, we took an item to the board in April, and it was a report to the board about the GAC. We informed them that we were going to dispose of these properties, we had a recommendation from you to do so and let them know about these entities having their reservations. They're aware of the disposition, they're aware of the appraised values, and the process, which I'll just remind you, since there really isn't a lot to this item, is that we're going to get appraisals. 19 We've handled it a little bit differently with the North Naples property to just keep it moving, We're going to take the remaining properties once we hear from the school district and we're going to do a public notice and it's going to be a competitive process, and anybody who wants to apply for the property to bid on it, and we're going to take the highest bidder, and then we're going to start drafting contract and start taking them to the board, and while closing there will be more money to fund more, whatever you would like and the agreements allow for equipment, or EMS, for amenities in the community, anything that's not allowed in the agreement is things like transportation, although when there's certain circumstances, you can even do that. And every time we get an application for a funding, like the ones that came today, I should have mentioned, we send them to the County Attorney's Office, and we make sure that these requests qualify for the requirements of the agreement with Avatar. Do you have any questions? That's all I have on that item. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Yes. My only question is the difference between the roots of the active sale or what we used to call the reserve list. Versus North Naples or North Collier Fire. Why wouldn't we do three appraisals on that one? Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: We were trying to, well, because a couple of reasons, Roosevelt can tell you more about the property, but it's a very low-value property. It's a smaller property. It's another government whose expressing willingness to go forward and in a more accelerated way. We figured we would make it like a pilot program property and just keep it moving. If you wanted to do an appraisal, you could do an appraisal and lump it in with the rest of them as well. It would just be a nice way to get a property moving, we could handle it -- Jeff Curl, Chairman: I'm all for being nice, but we're also landholders and we're trying to get our maximum benefit out of this property. My litmus test, I guess I'll call it that, is the one that we were thrown under the bus on with the Wellfield piece of land that we thought was a much higher value because it was canal frontage. That was deemed not to be didn't have a benefit of appraisal. It was just relying on one, basically appraisal. At the time, we had two real estate agents that were on this committee that were both saying, no, land is worth more. And then that just went nowhere. So, my comfort level is to have an even field for everybody, whether they're government or a private entity, buying off that reserve list, for three appraisals. That way there's no if's, and's or but's and coconuts. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: Okay, understood. I don't know - where does the three appraisals come from? Jeff Curl, Chairman: It came from a private person that bought up to six properties. I can't remember how many he was buying. And we said, no way, the land is worth a lot more 20 than that. He's a developer in town, immediately ran from the committee meeting or spoke to our liaison at the time, and then just raised cane in the Commissioner's offices. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: I remember that case, but what I'm getting at is I don't know of a requirement for three appraisals for any one property. Um, the requirements for appraisals are it's usually one or two when we buy property at the county, and when we dispose of property, I believe it's one? Is that the case? Roosevelt Leonard, Appraiser-Real Property: It's one. So, typically, this is basically, I know a little bit about what happened. Jeff Curl, Chairman: You do, you've been involved in all these from the start. Roosevelt Leonard, Appraiser-Real Property: Yes, as far as the sewer and water district parcel that was canal, we had that independently appraised. And that appraisal was done by Carol & Carroll. And so that was what the appraiser had come up with. Now, as far as the number of appraisers, if a property is valued under $1 million dollars, there is only one real estate appraiser that's procured to appraise that parcel. What we were doing is we were charging the appraiser fee, along with whatever market value came up with, so GAC could be made whole. But this is a problem that I want you to understand: when you appraise a parcel and you have two appraisers, you have a range. You have a high level, or you have an A and a B. And so typically, what happens is we take the average, and we have a value that basically neither appraiser comes up with. So again, when you have a property appraised at market value, that's one appraiser's opinion, and that's what we should go with. As far as some of the parcels that the GAC has, there are a couple that are closer to Oakes Boulevard, we should have those appraised by two appraisers, because the estimated value of those will probably be over $600,000. So, it would warrant two appraisers, but you have to look at an appraiser straight out of school, can appraise a 1.5-acre parcel. And that's what we're doing with these Estate lots. You know, just plain English here, anybody that's worth their license could do a vacant land appraisal. The parcels are not improved, there's no highest and best utility, and these things are wooded. Basically, as I was speaking with Mr. Ramsey, I have an appraisal for the fire station right here. Out in the Estates, and you can Google or check NABOR, the per-acre value for Golden Gate Estates is about $50,000 per acre. Jeff Curl, Chairman: No. It's higher. So, we have had these same discussions before, and I understand what you said about, you know, Carol and Carol is not, they're supposed to be independent. Well, when a government hires somebody for an appraisal and they know tax money is going to be spent, you know, they may or may not edge on the low side. That's why I'm in favor of at least two. See? So, you-you do get a high and a low. Um, fifty-five grand? That's not happening. I've seen parcels near me, way out on DeSoto, go for eighty for a band-aid lot. 21 Roosevelt Leonard, Appraiser-Real Property: 80,000 per acre. So, see, that's the difference. This fire department lot is 1.5, uh, 1.46 acres. Jeff Curl, Chairman: So, a Band-Aid lot is 1.15. Okay. 80 grand, 1.15. Right. That's more than $55 grand an acre. Roosevelt Leonard, Appraiser-Real Property: So, this right here, a lot is $72,000 plus, for a 1.46. So, you're right there where it should be? Jeff Curl, Chairman: Sounds low to me, man. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: Well, I'd like to make a proposal, um, we're coming back for a special meeting. Maybe we can put an agenda item on there for discussion on, to look at a recommended appraisal approach to the Committee. Jeff Curl, Chairman: I think it was discussed and from the commissioners, that's why I would go back and really refer to-- to what they set the stage for, I mean, again, we're an advisory committee, we have no teeth, and we're-- we're like a baby that's gnawing on everything. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: Well, it was in this report because this report was a consent item, so it wasn't like there was- there's no record of discussion. What we have is our item- Jeff Curl, Chairman: Yeah, you'd have to talk to McDaniel. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: Yeah, and we had presented that we would be doing appraisals. But the good news is that whatever we spend on the appraisals will get reimbursed to us. Jeff Curl, Chairman: But this is North Collier, and that’s why I was asking if that’s different than the pending list. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: Well, it's different in that we were doing it in-house, but we do have a qualified appraiser who is licensed, and I would submit that it wouldn't be much different than what we would get from a private appraiser. But we can get a private appraiser if that's what is desired, and we can go back to the record, and we can also speak to Commissioner McDaniel. Jeff Curl, Chairman: That's what I would do. Kristofer Thomas, North Collier Fire and Rescue District-Assistant Chief of Essential Services: Can I make a comment? Jeff Curl, Chairman: Go for it. 22 Kristofer Thomas, North Collier Fire and Rescue District-Assistant Chief of Essential Services: Kris Thomas from North Collier Fire Control and Rescue District, Assistant Chief. So obviously, I appreciate your comments regarding maximizing return to the land trust. That obviously, you have to fund projects that entities bring to you and requesting for funding for vehicles, and whatnot. However, obviously, if you sell this, at maybe a slightly, you know, if you see two or three appraisals, you might get a little bit more money for it, but obviously, if we buy it from you, the-the-the property remains in use for public and for public purposes. We're not going to build a house on it and then sell it. So, you are going to be receiving remuneration back to the land trust for needs of whatever redistribution for other requests. But the property will be held in perpetual use for the needs of the area out there. So, you know, I wish you would weigh that as well. Jeff Curl, Chairman: I'll always consider it. I can tell you that we've been sold bills of goods, though, plenty of times. I'm not saying you guys, and if you want to go there, I did ask you about trying to find access on Oil Well Road versus the residential street just south. Have you done that? Kristofer Thomas, North Collier Fire and Rescue District-Assistant Chief of Essential Services: Yep. No, we've had conversations with growth management, and to the effect of they didn't think that was going to be an issue. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Meaning that will go forward on Oil Well Road? Kristofer Thomas, North Collier Fire and Rescue District-Assistant Chief of Essential Services: Access to Oil Well Road will be granted, yeah. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Music to my ears. Thank you for doing that. Roadway, on the other hand, kind of sort of I would say they diminished the value that we have on the bridge there, that's on eighth. When they put this huge, stupid turnaround thing there on our parcel, they told us they were going to restore it, and they didn't. I'm just giving you an example that we've been told things before that don't happen. The big one that would really help our kitty is the damn bus barn piece of land that we had, that we're still waiting on that money to come back. So yeah, we've been told a lot of things over the years, unfortunately. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: You're referring to the Randall Curve property? Jeff Curl, Chairman: Yes. Bus barn, Randall Curve, same thing. Um, okay, well, beat that one up pretty good. Item G, overview of financials. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: The short presentation is that, the financials really haven't changed since the last meeting. We had the money for EMS ambulance, it was committed, it continues to be committed, the $352,000. The brush truck for $399,000 was committed and has since been dispersed. The total cash value is still the $1,800,000 23 and change that’s here. There might be some interest in there that's accrued. And we can catch it up for you. But there's, you know, and just for the record, we use the Property Appraiser’s estimates of value in our estimates so that we're always like pleasantly surprised. We're pretty sure that the amount of money that we will receive when we get the appraisals are going to be higher. They're not going to be lower. So this is a very conservative estimate of our land holdings when it comes to the dollars and cents estimated. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Perfect. Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Let me ask you, um, when these properties go out to bid are we seeing a um appreciated value on them versus what the value is. Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: You know, it's an interesting question because I think that this is going to be the first time that we've actually done a competitive process for these properties. Historically, um it was I, it's accurate. Um, people would hear about the properties and come and make an application for the properties. And then there would be an appraisal. However, it was done, right? One, two, three, by whomever. And then there would be an agreement, and it would go to the board. So, this is the first time we're going to follow the competitive process that we follow on other properties. And oftentimes they do come in a little bit higher. Because what I would do, what I was thinking out loud about, is we find out the appraised value and we set of reserve like a minimum bid, and we see what we get back. That's my thoughts, if you have thoughts, feel free to share it. Jeff Curl, Chairman: You good? Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Yes. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: I’m good. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Uh, moving on - chair and committee member comments. I have none. How about you guys? Aaron Zwiefel, Committee Member: Um, aside from still looking for the ground management services money coming back into the Gate. That's the only real item I'd like to stay focused on. Shirley Noya, Committee Member: I agree with this, we keep on saying— Jeff Curl, Chairman: Yeah, I’m so sick of that whole issue— Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: It’s set aside, it's been confirmed as being available. It's in a restricted reserve fund-- Jeff Curl, Chairman: Yeah, sure. 24 Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: ..and we keep on monitoring the account because there have been discussions about it, your message has been heard, and the board is aware. So we shall see. We shall see. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Okay. Public comments. Mr. Ramsey. Mike Ramsey, Public: So, Mike Ramsey, Golden Gate Estates Civic Association. First, to be clear what I was talking about with the cell tower issue in the Golden Gate Area Master Plan. In the Golden Gate Area Master Plan, they allow us to go in through the meetings and take out and designate properties like I'm talking about at intersections. If we're doing this based on a 5G with a 5-mile radius, we're putting cell towers every two and a half miles at the intersection. I could go in and take 10 acres of an intersection on each of the four quadrants. And under the Golden Gate Area Master Plan, we could go in and create what is called a sub-district. The sub-district is approved in any committee within the Golden Gate Area Master Plan to go to the Board of County Commissioners. And then once it's approved by the Board of County Commissioners, then it's off to the DEL, and it comes back with an approved management plan. So, what we're calling it is a cell-owned sub-district. And what it does is it pre-approves the Growth Management Plan Amendment upright. So, then the property is already approved for a cell tower, and we're expecting a monopole, which is the most popular now, without the wires. I think a monopole would go to a hundred feet. And then we put it in our selected designations for coverage, and then all the owner has to go do is leave or sell or come in to the Board of County Commissioners, and all they have to give is a conditional use approval. It's much faster. We did the same process for its commercial sub-districts for retail stores like at, Golden Gate and Wilson. So that's for that. Now in my group we're also going to submit and we've been talking about we're going to submit a proposal for recreational parks in the estates, east of 951. There are certain canals adjacent to certain roads, Oil Well, Golden Gate, and maybe Rabbit. I have four locations. We would like to submit probably to this committee and go through it as I come up with a more detailed plan for it. How to either buy properties adjacent to these canals and create canalside recreational community parks for the boat ramp. They're doing it now, but it’s haphazard. We'd like to go in and see if we can buy a small property, sell properties, focus money, buy properties next to canals that make a community canal boat round community park. Now it's already been done. On Golden Gate Parkway, the Board County Commission has already approved by the parks and rec there is a boat route park in Golden Gate City. And it works well. So, we're trying to push forward with this idea that money from this group could be used to buy the land and provide some of the infrastructure for the recreational, boating water canal use for a limited time. So, I’m throwing it out there for your thinking. And if you tell me how to come back with a plan, if you’d like to see it, I’ll do it. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Wiley, approached us, probably like five years ago- 25 Mike Ramsey, Public: Wiley? Jeff Curl, Chairman: I thought that was his name. Mike Ramsey, Public: Robert Wiley? Jeff Curl, Chairman: The stormwater guy, with the County? Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: Robert VonHolle? Jeff Curl, Chairman: Okay, so VonHolle. Mike Ramsey, Public: I thought you were talking about Wile E. Coyote, but-- Jeff Curl, Chairman: But they were going to do it without a boat ramp. They wanted to basically just use it as a water intake, flood the property, and then let it go downstream. Kind of water filtration idea. My point is, he's probably got a map somewhere floating around where they started scoping out some properties. Mike Ramsey, Public: Well, right now I've already picked out the locations that would be feasible. But people in the Golden Gate Estates, the rural part. It's a recreational opportunity on the water. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Well, it is. And the district took it away from us by putting damn gates up everywhere. People were arguing with them about that. Mike Ramsey, Public: I've already been through all the discussions with Parks and Rec. and Transportation. If we go through the meetings and we get it approved, we can do it. First, I need the land. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Second, you need the public on your side, or at least folks on it. Mike Ramsey, Public: Most of the public, well, still, they don’t like being shut out of the boat ramps like the ones out in the Golden Gate Estates are. Jeff Curl, Chairman: I’m talking about the neighbors. The not in my backyard crowd. Mike Ramsey, Public: Because it’s like saying that they have 100% control. Trinity and Jamie had told me, with proper meetings, with parks and rec and you could change it. But it has to have its due diligence process. So, I'll throw that out there. I need money and land. Jeff Curl, Chairman: Sounds good. Don't we all? Public comments, anybody else? Alright. Staff comments? Jennifer Belpedio, Manager-Real Property: Nothing further, thank you. 26 Jeff Curl, Chairman: All right. Next meeting, we've already talked about plus or minus a month or so. Anything else? Okay. Well, with that, we will adjourn. Thank you, everybody. Adjourn: 6:37pm Acknowledged: ___________________________________ Date: _________________________ Jeff Curl, Chairman