BCC Minutes 02/25/2025 RFebruary 25, 2025
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TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Naples, Florida, February 25, 2025
LET IT BE REMEMBERED that the Board of County
Commissioners, in and for the County of Collier, and also acting
as the Board of Zoning Appeals and as the governing board(s) of
such special districts as have been created according to law and
having conducted business herein, met on this date at 9:00 a.m.,
in REGULAR SESSION in Building "F" of the Government
Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the following Board
members present:
Chairman: Burt L. Saunders
Dan Kowal (Via Zoom)
Chris Hall
Rick LoCastro
William L. McDaniel, Jr.
ALSO PRESENT:
Amy Patterson, County Manager
Ed Finn, Deputy County Manager
Jeffrey A. Klatzkow, County Attorney
Derek Johnssen, Clerk's Office
Troy Miller, Communications & Customer Relations
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COLLIER COUNTY
Board of County Commissioners
Community Redevelopment Agency Board (CRAB)
Airport Authority
AGENDA
Board of County Commission Chambers
Collier County Government Center
3299 Tamiami Trail East, 3rd Floor
Naples, FL 34112
February 25, 2025
9:00 AM
Commissioner Burt Saunders, District 3; – Chair
Commissioner Dan Kowal, District 4; – Vice Chair
Commissioner Rick LoCastro, District 1
Commissioner Chris Hall, District 2;
Commissioner William L. McDaniel, Jr., District 5
NOTICE: ALL PERSONS WISHING TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS MUST
REGISTER PRIOR TO PRESENTATION OF THE AGENDA ITEM TO BE
ADDRESSED. ALL REGISTERED SPEAKERS WILL RECEIVE UP TO THREE
MINUTES UNLESS THE TIME IS ADJUSTED BY THE CHAIR. ADDITIONAL
MINUTES MAY BE CEDED TO AN IN-PERSON SPEAKER BY OTHER
REGISTERED SPEAKERS WHO MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE
SPEAKER IS HEARD. NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS WILL BE HEARD FOR
PROCLAMATIONS, PRESENTATIONS AND PUBLIC PETITIONS. SPEAKERS
ON PRESENTATIONS ARE LIMITED TO 10 MINUTES, UNLESS EXTENDED
BY THE CHAIR. ALL PERSONS WISHING TO SPEAK ON A CONSENT ITEM
MUST REGISTER PRIOR TO THE BOARD’S APPROVAL OF THE DAY’S
CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS HEARD AT THE BEGINNING OF THE
MEETING FOLLOWING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
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ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON PUBLIC PETITION MUST
SUBMIT THE REQUEST IN WRITING TO THE COUNTY MANAGER AT
LEAST 13 DAYS PRIOR TO THE DATE OF THE MEETING. THE REQUEST
SHALL PROVIDE DETAILED INFORMATION AS TO THE NATURE OF THE
PETITION. THE PUBLIC PETITION MAY NOT INVOLVE A MATTER ON A
FUTURE BOARD AGENDA, AND MUST CONCERN A MATTER IN WHICH
THE BOARD CAN TAKE ACTION. PUBLIC PETITIONS ARE LIMITED TO A
SINGLE PRESENTER, WITH A MAXIMUM TIME OF TEN MINUTES, UNLESS
EXTENDED BY THE CHAIR. SHOULD THE PETITION BE GRANTED, THE
ITEM WILL BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON GENERAL TOPICS NOT
ON THIS AGENDA OR A FUTURE AGENDA MUST REGISTER TO SPEAK
PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE AGENDA BEING
CALLED BY THE CHAIR. SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE
MINUTES, AND NO ADDITIONAL MINUTES MAY BE CEDED TO THE
SPEAKER. AT THE CHAIR’S DISCRETION, THE NUMBER OF PUBLIC
SPEAKERS MAY BE LIMITED TO 5 FOR THAT MEETING.
ANY PERSON WHO DECIDES TO APPEAL A DECISION OF THIS BOARD
WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDING PERTAINING THERETO,
AND THEREFORE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF
THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE
TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.
COLLIER COUNTY ORDINANCE NO. 2003-53 AS AMENDED BY
ORDINANCE 2004-05 AND 2007-24, REQUIRES THAT ALL LOBBYISTS
SHALL, BEFORE ENGAGING IN ANY LOBBYING ACTIVITIES (INCLUDING
BUT NOT LIMITED TO, ADDRESSI NG THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS), REGISTER WITH THE CLERK TO THE BOARD AT THE
BOARD MINUTES AND RECORDS DEPARTMENT.
IF YOU ARE A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY WHO NEEDS ANY
ACCOMMODATION IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCEEDING,
YOU ARE ENTITLED, AT NO COST TO YOU, THE PROVISION OF CERTAIN
ASSISTANCE. PLEASE CONTACT THE COLLIER COUNTY FACILITIES
MANAGEMENT DIVISION LOCATED AT 3335 EAST TAMIAMI TRAIL, SUITE
1, NAPLES, FLORIDA, 34112-5356, (239) 252-8380.
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LUNCH RECESS SCHEDULED FOR 12:00 NOON TO 1:00 P.M.
1. INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
A. Invocation: Pastor Kirt Anderson - Naples Community Church ||| Pledge of
Allegiance: Chickabee Clark, USAF Veteran, Airfield Manager & founder of
“Tag a Pet for a Vet”
2. AGENDA AND MINUTES
A. Approval of today's Regular, Consent, and Summary agenda as amended
(Ex-parte disclosure provided by Commission members for Consent agenda)
B. January 28, 2025, BCC Minutes
3. AWARDS AND RECOGNITIONS
A. EMPLOYEE
1) 20 YEAR ATTENDEES
a) Fausto Leyva- Parks & Recreation
b) Tania Santos- Domestic Animal Services
2) 25 YEAR ATTENDEES
a) Joann Greenberg - Code Enforcement –
(Contractors Licensing)
b) Vanessa Vairo- Emergency Medical Services
3) 30 YEAR ATTENDEES
4) 35 YEAR ATTENDEES
a) Lisa Taylor- Fiscal & Grant Services
B. ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS
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C. RETIREES
D. EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH
4. PROCLAMATIONS
A. Proclamation designating March 8, 2025, as International Women's Day in
Collier County. To be accepted by Althea Irving, Chairwoman, Women's
Foundation of Collier County.
B. Proclamation designating November 1, 2025, as Lung Cancer Screening
Awareness Day. To be accepted by Scott Lowe, CEO, Physicians Regional
Healthcare System, and Nikki Audia, Lung Navigator.
5. PRESENTATIONS
6. PUBLIC PETITIONS
7. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON GENERAL TOPICS NOT ON THE CURRENT
OR FUTURE AGENDA
8. BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
9. ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARINGS
10. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
11. COUNTY MANAGER'S REPORT
A. Recommendation to hear a presentation regarding FY 2026 budget policy
and provide guidance as we move toward budget policy adoption in March.
(Christopher Johnson, Division Director - Corporate Financial &
Management Services)
B. Recommendation to approve an Interlocal Agreement with the City of
Naples for the use of Bayview Park to remove debris as part of the Naples
Pier Renovation. (John Dunnuck, Executive Director - Facilities &
Redevelopment)
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12. COUNTY ATTORNEY'S REPORT
13. OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS
14. AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND/OR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT
AGENCY
15. STAFF AND COMMISSION GENERAL COMMUNICATIONS
A. Public Comments on General Topics Not on The Current or Future
Agenda by Individuals Not Already Heard During Previous Public
Comments in This Meeting
B. Staff Project Updates
C. Staff And Commission General Communications
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16. CONSENT AGENDA - All matters listed under this item are considered to be
routine and action will be taken by one motion without separate discussion of
each item. If discussion is desired by a member of the Board, that item(s) will
be removed from the Consent Agenda and considered separately.
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A. GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT
1) Recommendation to approve a Resolution for final acceptance of the
private roadway and drainage improvements and acceptance of the
plat dedications for the final plat of Allamanda Estates, Application
Number PL20220001339, and authorize the release of the
maintenance security in the amount of $26,226.61
2) Recommendation to approve a Resolution for final acceptance of the
private roadway and drainage improvements and acceptance of the
plat dedications for the final plat of Azure at Hacienda Lakes - Phase
2, Application Number PL20180002205, and authorize the release of
the maintenance security in the amount of $229,608.45
3) Recommendation to approve final acceptance of the potable water and
sewer utility facilities and accept the conveyance of a portion of the
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potable water and sewer utility facilities and appurtenant utility
easement for Greystar Multi-Family Santa Barbara – Phase 1,
PL20240009049
4) Recommendation to approve final acceptance of the potable water and
sewer utility facilities and accept the conveyance of a portion of the
potable water and sewer facilities and appurtenant utility easement for
Perry Hotel Naples, PL20240012794
5) Recommendation to approve final acceptance of the potable water
utility facilities for Quail Creek Clubhouse, PL20190002340), and to
authorize the County Manager or designee to release the Final
Obligation Bond and the Utilities Performance Security (UPS) in the
total amount of $13,413.66, to the Project Engineer or the Developer’s
designated agent
6) Recommendation to authorize the Clerk of Courts to release a
Performance Bond in the amount of $65,020, which was posted as a
guarantee for Excavation Permit Number PL20230007679 for work
associated with Greystar Multi-Family Santa Barbara
7) Recommendation to authorize the Clerk of Courts to release a
Performance Bond in the amount of $174,360, which was posted as a
guarantee for Excavation Permit Number PL20230015585 for work
associated with the Vineyards Country Club – North Golf Course
Renovation
8) Recommendation to approve the release of two code enforcement
liens with an accrued value of $30,000, for a reduced payment of
$11,517.70, in the code enforcement action titled Board of County
Commissioners vs. Carmen Vasallo, relating to property located at
1013 New Market Rd. W., Collier County, Florida
9) Recommendation to approve the release of a code enforcement lien
with an accrued value of $195,600, for a reduced payment of
$20,796.90, in the code enforcement action titled Board of County
Commissioners vs. Katherine M. Johnson Trust, relating to a
condominium located at 1718 Bald Eagle Dr. #C, Collier County,
Florida. Code Enforcement Board Case No. CESD20190009030
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B. TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT
1) Recommendation to approve Change Order No. 1 under Agreement
No. 21-7862, “Design Services for Airport Road Widening,” with
Kisinger Campo & Associates, Corp., adding 240 Days to provide
additional design services in the lump sum not to exceed amount of
$195,923.55, and authorize the Chairman to sign the attached Change
Order. (Project 60190)
2) Recommendation to approve Change Order No. 3 under Agreement
No. 21-7900, “Design Services for Stormwater Improvements for the
BCG & CC/ CCN Areas,” with Bowman Gulf Coast LLC, to extend
the contract time by 180 days for Tasks 1-4 and 730 days for Task 5
and authorize the Chairman to sign the attached Change Order.
(Project Number 60102)
3) Recommendation to approve and execute a Purchase and Sales
Agreement and Addenda with Bigi & Bigi, LLC, the purchase of 14
out of 18 condominium office units within the Court Plaza III building
situated on 1.17 improved acres on Airport Road South, adjacent to
the Government Center, for the Community & Human Services
Division, and authorize the associated Budget Amendments.
(Companion to item 16B.4)
4) Recommendation to approve and execute a Purchase and Sales
Agreement with Joseph D. Stewart, P.A. for the purchase of unit 105,
which is the last remaining available unit to purchase out of 18
condominium office units within the Court Plaza III building situated
on 1.17 improved acres on Airport Road South, adjacent to the
Government Center, for the Community & Human Services Division.
(Companion to item 16B.3)
5) Recommendation to authorize the Chairman to execute twenty (20)
Deed Certificates for purchased burial rights at Lake Trafford
Memorial Gardens Cemetery and authorize the County Manager or
designee to take all actions necessary to record the Deed Certificates
with the Clerk of the Court’s Recording Department
6) Recommendation to approve the Collier Area Transit Disadvantaged
Business Enterprise (DBE) Program Update to ensure its compliance
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with Federal Transit Administration (FTA) requirements and authorize
its submittal to the FTA
7) Recommendation to approve Change Order No. 1, adding $33,702.40
and 137 days to the Work Order under library contract 18-7432-CZ
with APTIM Environmental & Infrastructure, LLC., for the Park
Shore Beach Renourishment and make a finding that this item
promotes tourism (Project 90067)
8) Recommendation to ratify an administratively approved Change
Order No. 1 for contract No. 24-8292 with Earth Tech Enterprises,
Inc., for the Park Shore Beach Renourishment, adding 15 days to the
contract time (Project 90067). (Companion to item 16B.9)
9) Recommendation to approve Change Order No. 2 for contract No. 24-
8292 with Earth Tech Enterprises, Inc., for the Park Shore Beach
Renourishment, increasing the contract amount by $2,739,153,
applying the Allowance of $254,000.00 and adding 30 days to the
contract time, approve the necessary Budget Amendment, and make a
finding that this item promotes tourism (Project 90067). (Companion
to item 16B.8)
10) Recommendation to award Invitation to Bid (“ITB”) No. 24-8323 in
the amount of $1,178,500.00 to Earth Tech Enterprises, Inc., for the
Collier County South Naples Emergency Berm truck haul &
construction project, authorize the Chairman to sign the attached
Agreement, and make a finding that this item promotes
tourism. (Project 50280)
C. PUBLIC UTILITIES DEPARTMENT
1) Recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners, as ex-
officio the Governing Board of the Collier County Water-Sewer
District (CCWSD), ratify administratively approved Change Order
No. 1, providing for a time extension of 110 days and use of the
Owner’s Allowances under Agreement No. 22-7965R, with D.B.E.
Management, LLC., for the Golden Gate City Transmission Water
Improvements - Phase 2 project. (Project No. 70253 & 51029)
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2) Recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners, as ex-
officio of the Governing Board of the Collier County Water-Sewer
District, approve Grant Agreement L0018 with the Florida
Department of Environmental Protection for the “Naples Park Public
Utilities Renewal Project 103rd/104th Avenues,” to accept cost
reimbursement grant funding in the amount of $4,500,000, and
authorize the Chairman to sign the attached Grant Agreement. (Project
70120, Fund 4016 and Project 60139 Fund 1841)
3) Recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners, as ex-
officio of the Governing Board of the Collier County Water-Sewer
District, approve Grant Agreement L0019 with the Florida
Department of Environmental Protection for the “Palm River Public
Utilities Renewal Project – Areas 3, 5 & 6,” to accept cost
reimbursement grant funding in the amount of $3,000,000, and
authorize the Chairman to sign the attached Grant Agreement. (Project
70257, Fund 4016 and Project 60234 Fund 1841)
4) Recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners, acting as
ex-officio the Governing Board of the Collier County Water-Sewer
District, approve Agreement No. 25-311NSWV, “IDEXX Laboratory
Supplies and Services,” with IDEXX Distribution, Inc., (“IDEXX”)
for a period of five years under a sole source waiver, authorize the
Chairman to sign the attached Agreement, and authorize expenditures
in an estimated amount of $250,000 per Fiscal Year, at a total
estimated amount of $1,250,000 for the duration of the five-year
agreement
D. PUBLIC SERVICES DEPARTMENT
1) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign the
Third Amendment to the agreement between Collier County and the
Florida Department of State Division of Historical Resources for the
restoration of the historic cottages at Mar-Good Harbor Park to extend
the period of performance from December 31, 2024, until June 30,
2025. (Public Service Grant Fund 1839 and Public Service Match
Fund 1840)
2) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign
Amendment One between the Collier County Sheriff’s Office and
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Collier County to revise language in the Opioid Funding Agreement
and update the budget
3) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign
Amendment One between David Lawrence Mental Health Center,
Inc., and Collier County to revise language in the Opioid Funding
Agreement
4) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign an
agreement between Collier County and The National Alliance on
Mental Illness Collier County, Inc., (NAMI) for $146,700 to support
the required local mandated match. (Fiscal Impact $146,700)
5) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign
sixteen (16) mortgage satisfactions for the State Housing Initiatives
Partnership loan program in the amount of $800,000. This transaction
is a transfer of mortgage liability from Habitat for Humanity of
Collier County, Inc., to the homeowners provided with home purchase
assistance through the New Construction Assistance Strategy. (SHIP
Grant Fund 1053)
6) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign the
First Amendment to the Agreement between Collier County and the
Immokalee Fair Housing Alliance, Inc., to amend the Period of
Performance and incorporate retainage language under the State
Housing Initiatives Partnership (SHIP) Rental Development Strategy
(Grant Fund 1053)
7) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign
Agreement #LHTF 25-01 with Housing Development Corporation of
SW Florida, Inc. d/b/a/ HELP in the amount of $50,000 to operate and
administer the Collier County Community Land Trust (CCCLT).
(Misc Grants Fund (1077), Affordable Housing Plan Project 50137)
8) Recommendation to accept and appropriate restricted donations from
various donors in the amount of $7,802.50 for the benefit of the
Collier County Public Library and to authorize the necessary Budget
Amendments
9) Recommendation to authorize a Budget Amendment recognizing
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$2,802.77 in program income from interest earned in the Home
Investment Partnership Program. Housing Grant Fund (1848)
E. CORPORATE BUSINESS OPERATIONS
F. COUNTY MANAGER OPERATIONS
1) Recommendation to ratify administratively approved Change Order
No. 13, adding fifteen days to the Substantial Completion date for
Purchase Order No. 4500229878, under Agreement No. 21-7883-ST
with O-A-K/Florida, Inc., d/b/a Owen-Ames-Kimball Company, for
the Main Campus Upgrades, and authorize the Chairman to sign the
attached Change Order. (Project No. 50214)
2) Recommendation to approve a Third Amendment to Radio Tower
Lease Agreement 787-C with Crown Castle GT Company, LLC,
authorizing the County to install a larger propane tank required for the
operation of the County’s public safety radio system, and increasing
the monthly rent by $320 for the additional space
3) Recommendation to approve a Fourth Amendment to Radio Tower
Lease Agreement 787-B with Crown Castle GT Company, LLC,
authorizing the County to install a larger propane tank required for the
operation of the County’s public safety radio system, and increasing
monthly rent by $320 for the additional space
4) Recommendation to adopt a Resolution approving amendments
(appropriating grants, donations, contributions or insurance proceeds)
to the Fiscal Year 2024-25 Adopted Budget. (The Budget
Amendments in the attached Resolution have been reviewed and
approved by the Board of County Commissioners via separate
Executive Summaries.)
5) Recommendation to authorize Budget Amendments for a total amount
of $818,682.00 for continued Hurricane Milton drainage, beach, and
dune related cleanup expenses and beach dune restoration plantings
within the Pelican Bay Services Division Municipal Services Taxing
& Benefit Unit
6) Recommendation to adopt a Resolution providing notice of intent to
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extend the levy of the Five-Cent and Six-Cent Local Option Fuel
Taxes, pursuant to Florida Statutes Sections 336.025 (1)(a) and (b),
and the Ninth Cent Fuel Tax Pursuant to Florida Statutes, Section
336.021, upon their scheduled termination date of December 31,
2025, without a gap or lapse in the collection of the tax, effective
January 1, 2026, through December 31, 2055, and directing the Office
of the County Attorney to advertise the appropriate Ordinances
G. AIRPORT AUTHORITY
H. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
I. MISCELLANEOUS CORRESPONDENCE
J. OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS
1) To record in the minutes of the Board of County Commissioners, the
check number (or other payment method), amount, payee, and
purpose for which the referenced disbursements in the amount of
$72,493,266.59 were drawn for the periods between January 30, 2025,
and February 12, 2025 pursuant to Florida Statute 136.06
2) Request that the Board approve and determine valid public purpose
for invoices payable and purchasing card transactions as of February
19, 2025
K. COUNTY ATTORNEY
1) Recommendation to appoint three members to the Public Art
Committee
L. COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
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17. SUMMARY AGENDA - This section is for advertised public hearings and
must meet the following criteria: 1) A recommendation for approval from
staff; 2) Unanimous recommendation for approval by the Collier County
Planning Commission or other authorizing agencies of all members present
and voting; 3) No written or oral objections to the item received by staff, the
Collier County Planning Commission, other authorizing agencies or the
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Board, prior to the commencement of the BCC meeting on which the items
are scheduled to be heard; and 4) No individuals are registered to speak in
opposition to the item. For those items which are quasi-judicial in nature, all
participants must be sworn in.
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A. This Item requires that all participants be sworn in and Ex-parte
disclosure be provided by Commission members. Recommendation to
approve an Ordinance rezoning a 7.4± acre property located at 6145 Polly
Avenue from the Rural Agricultural (A) zoning district to the Estates (E)
district to allow up to three single-family dwelling units with a maximum
density of up to one dwelling unit per 2.47± acres on property located
approximately 1600 feet east of Santa Barbara Boulevard between Polly
Avenue and Everett Street, in Section 16, Township 50 South, Range 26
East, Collier County, Florida
B. Recommendation to approve Petition VAC-PL20200001169, to disclaim,
renounce, and vacate the County and the Public interest in the Conservation
Easement recorded in Official Record Book 4296, Page 1735, of the Public
Records of Collier County, Florida, located approximately 400-feet east of
Industrial Boulevard, south of Mercantile Avenue, in Section 36, Township
49 South, Range 25 East, Collier County, Florida
C. Recommendation to adopt a Resolution approving amendments
(appropriating carry forward, transfers and supplemental revenue) to the
Fiscal Year 2024-25 Adopted Budget. (The Budget Amendments in the
attached Resolution have been reviewed and approved by the Board of
County Commissioners via separate Executive Summaries.)
18. ADJOURN
INQUIRIES CONCERNING CHANGES TO THE BOARD’S AGENDA SHOULD
BE MADE TO THE COUNTY MANAGER’S OFFICE AT 252-8383.
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MS. PATTERSON: Chair, you have a live mic.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Thank you. Good morning.
Welcome to our commissioner meeting. It's a pleasure having
all of you here today.
Going to probably have a fairly short meeting, so if you
have anything to say, say anything that you want to when you
come to the podium because we have plenty of time today.
We're very fortunate today to have Pastor Kirk Anderson to
start us off in the right way. If you'd please rise for the
invocation and the Pledge to the flag.
Item #1A
INVOCATION: PASTOR KIRT ANDERSON - NAPLES
COMMUNITY CHURCH ||| PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE:
CHICKABEE CLARK, USAF VETERAN, AIRFIELD MANAGER
& FOUNDER OF “TAG A PET FOR A VET” - INVOCATION
GIVEN AS INDICATED; PLEDGE ACTUALLY GIVEN BY JACK
COOPER, US ARMY RETIRED
PASTOR ANDERSON: Let's bow together.
Oh, gracious God, in a season when trust of government is
in short supply, when hardworking staff are labeled as
bureaucrats, and when a decision is the source of derision, we
pray for our commission. Day and night, the heavy hand of
discipline is upon them bearing the burden of governance on our
behalf. Strengthen them, assure them, and may we all be
respectful and civil.
Agreement is easy, but we as a people must learn how to
disagree again. We need your guidance, your patience, and your
discipline.
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Thank you for the gift of these servants and their arduous
efforts to serve this community. We pray in the name of your
incarnate love. Amen.
(The Pledge of Allegiance was recited in unison.)
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: I want to thank you for
leading the Pledge. Ms. Patterson is going to spend just a
minute telling us a little bit about your history because I
understand you were a dustoff pilot in Vietnam.
MR. COOPER: Yes, I was.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: And some very dangerous
missions in terms of picking up wounded soldiers and not having
any weapons on board to defend yourself, so very impressive.
Ms. Patterson, you had a few comments there.
MS. PATTERSON: Yes. So we do have the honor of
having Jack Cooper. He is Army 1968 to 1993, and as
Commissioner Saunders said, a dustoff pilot in Vietnam, which
we've been educated that that is people that flew and picked up
wounded soldiers without the benefit of being armed. So thank
you for your service.
MR. COOPER: Appreciate it. Thank you.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Thank you, sir.
Let's move on to the approval of today's regular, consent,
and summary agenda. We'll see if there are any amendments to
that.
Ms. Patterson.
MS. PATTERSON: Yes, sir. We do have one change to
the agenda, a request to move Item 16D7 to 11C. This is a
recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign
Agreement No. LHTF 25-01 with Housing Development
Corporation of Southwest Florida, Inc., doing business as HELP,
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in the amount of $50,000 to operate and administer the Collier
County Land Trust. This is being moved at Commissioner
McDaniel's request.
Other than that, we have court reporter breaks set for
10 o'clock and again -- or I'm sorry -- at 10:30 and again at 2:50
if necessary.
County Attorney.
MR. KLATZKOW: Nothing, thank you.
Item #2A
APPROVAL OF TODAY'S REGULAR, CONSENT, AND
SUMMARY AGENDA AS AMENDED (EX-PARTE DISCLOSURE
PROVIDED BY COMMISSION MEMBERS FOR CONSENT
AGENDA) - MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER
MCDANIEL; SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LOCASTRO -
APPROVED AND/OR ADOPTED W/CHANGES
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner Kowal, any
changes to the agenda?
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: No changes.
MS. PATTERSON: And also disclosure on the summary
and consent.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: And no -- nothing on
summary or consent.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner Hall.
COMMISSIONER HALL: No changes or -- and no ex
parte.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner McDaniel.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Same; no changes, no ex
parte.
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CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Same; no changes, no ex
parte.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: And I have no changes and no
ex parte as well.
So we need a motion to approve today's regular, consent,
and summary agenda.
COMMISSIONER HALL: So moved.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Second.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Second.
We have a motion and second. All in favor, signify by
saying aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: That passes unanimously.
Proposed Agenda Changes
Board of County Commissioners Meeting
February 25, 2025
Move item 16D7 to 11C: Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign Agreement #LHTF 25-
01 with Housing Development Corporation of SW Florida, Inc. dlblal HELP in the amount of $50,000 to operate
and administer the Collier County Community Land Trust (CCCLT). (Commissioner McDaniel's Request)
Notes:
TIME CERTAIN ITEMS:
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Item #2B
JANUARY 28, 2025, BCC MINUTES - MOTION TO APPROVE
AS PRESENTED BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL;
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HALL - APPROVED
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: We have the minutes of
January 28th, 2025. Are there any questions or comments
concerning the minutes?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Move for approval.
COMMISSIONER HALL: Second.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: We have a motion and second.
All in favor, signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: That passes unanimously.
We have some special awards today, so let's start off,
Ms. Patterson.
Item #3A1
AWARDS AND RECOGNITIONS - 20 YEAR ATTENDEES –
PRESENTED
MS. PATTERSON: Yes, sir. Let's start with our 20-year
attendees.
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First we have Fausto Leyva, Parks and Recreation.
Congratulations.
(Applause.)
MS. PATTERSON: Next up we have Tania Santos,
Domestic Animal Services, 20 years. Congratulations.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Where's the Tania fan
club? Where is it? Back there. Okay.
(Applause.)
Item #3A2
AWARDS AND RECOGNITIONS - 25 YEAR ATTENDEES –
PRESENTED
MS. PATTERSON: Moving on to 25 years, Joanne
Greenberg, Code Enforcement, Contractors Licensing section.
Congratulations.
(Applause.)
MS. PATTERSON: We are going to hold on our next
attendee because, actually, she's just getting off shift from EMS.
So as soon as she gets here, we will bring her up and honor her.
Item #3A4
AWARDS AND RECOGNITIONS - 35 YEAR ATTENDEES –
PRESENTED
So that brings us to our 35-year attendee, Lisa Taylor, Fiscal
and Grant Services, Transportation Management Services.
Congratulations.
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(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER HALL: We got spirit, yes, we do. We
got spirit, how about you?
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Security? Officer?
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: After we take the first photo,
if the team would like to come on up for a photo, you're welcome
to do so.
Anybody else want to come up? Let's do another one.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Tania, your group next,
since you've got a big group, too, if you want to take a photo.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. We're going to do
two photos here, one with everybody smiling and doing the thing
you usually do in photos and then one with everybody holding
their pom poms, or whatever those things are called. All right.
So the first photo is a more serious one.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Thirty-five years, that's really
amazing. So thank you for your service to Collier County.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Does Tania want to come
up with her group?
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Is Tania still here?
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Tania, can you outdo that
with your group?
MS. SANTOS: Yep. Thank you.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: We've got another group
photo.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: We'll move on to
proclamations, Ms. Patterson.
MS. PATTERSON: Yes, sir. Let me be sure that our first
proclamation, if Ms. Irving is here. Okay. Very good. Very
good.
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Item #4A
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING MARCH 8, 2025, AS
INTERNATIONAL WOMEN'S DAY IN COLLIER COUNTY. TO
BE ACCEPTED BY ALTHEA IRVING, CHAIRWOMAN,
WOMEN'S FOUNDATION OF COLLIER COUNTY - MOTION
TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL; SECONDED
BY COMMISSIONER LOCASTRO - ADOPTED
MS. PATTERSON: All right. So 4A is a proclamation
designating March 8th, 2025, as International Women's Day in
Collier County. To be accepted by Althea Irving, chairman,
Women's Foundation of Collier County. Congratulations.
(Applause.)
MS. IRVING: I have remarks.
MS. PATTERSON: Very good.
MS. IRVING: Good morning, Commissioners and fellow
community members. Thank you for this incredible recognition
of International Women's Day here in Collier County.
On behalf of the Women's Foundation of Collier County, I
am honored to accept this proclamation and to stand with you in
celebrating the achievements and contributions of women in our
community.
For over 20 years, the Women's Foundation of Collier
County has been dedicated to transforming the lives of women
and girls in our region. Through initiatives that support
homeless senior women, mentorships in career development for
young girls, and women pursuing education, we are working to
ensure that every woman, no matter her circumstances, has the
opportunity to thrive.
Today's proclamation is more than a symbolic gesture. It is
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a powerful acknowledgment that women who are supported, our
entire community benefits from that. By investing in women,
we create stronger families, a more vibrant workforce, and a
future where every girl growing up in Collier County knows that
she has the tools, resources, and encouragement to succeed.
Thank you again for recognizing March 8th, 2025, as
International Women's Day in Collier County. We are grateful
for your partnership in fostering a community where women and
girls are empowered, uplifted, and celebrated, not just today, but
every day. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Thank you.
(Applause.)
Item #4B
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING NOVEMBER 1, 2025, AS
LUNG CANCER SCREENING AWARENESS DAY. TO BE
ACCEPTED BY SCOTT LOWE, CEO, PHYSICIANS REGIONAL
HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, AND NIKKI AUDIA, LUNG
NAVIGATOR - MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER
MCDANIEL; SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LOCASTRO –
ADOPTED
MS. PATTERSON: Item 4B is a proclamation designating
November 1st, 2025, as Lung Cancer Screening Awareness Day.
To be accepted by Scott Lowe, CEO, Physicians Regional
healthcare system, and Nikki Audia, sorry, lung navigator,
congratulations.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: You're going to have to
explain to us what a lung navigator does.
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COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: So there's two of them,
right, lungs?
MS. AUDIA: Two.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Okay. Got it. Got it.
MR. LOWE: And I'm going to turn it over to Nikki so she
can explain everything lung, but I just wanted to quickly thank
the county commissioners for continuing to kind of stop,
recognize, you know, these health issues and concerns that, you
know, we are all here, you know, with Physicians Regional,
NCH, you name the healthcare entity, but you guys continue to
help and support those initiatives and help us recognize and bring
that awareness to the community.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: I'll mention one thing. The
last time I went over at Physicians Regional, it was for the FC
Naples event, and so thank you for being a primary sponsor for
that team.
MR. LONG: Thank you. Yeah, we're excited for that
partnership and certainly excited for them to be in this
community. So great. Thank you. Here's Nikki.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Thank you.
MS. AUDIA: Good morning. It's an honor to stand here
before you today as we formally recognize Lung Cancer
Awareness Month.
While November is the designated month to raise awareness
for this disease, today in February we come together to sign this
proclamation ensuring when November arrives our community is
ready to amplify this very important message.
Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer-related deaths in
our nation, and I'm sure nobody in here really knew that. And in
women alone, lung cancer kills more women than ovarian and
breast cancer.
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Today we are here not only to raise awareness but stand
together in support of those affected by the disease. Lung cancer
does not discriminate. It impacts smokers, nonsmokers, and
individuals exposed to environmental risks. The key to fighting
this disease lies in early detection. Screening saves lives, and I
urge everyone that meets the criteria to speak with their
healthcare provider about being screened. When diagnosed
early, treatment options are more effective and survival rates
improved significantly.
We are fortunate to have an incredible resource right here in
our community, like Scott said, NCH, Physicians Regional, Lee,
dedicated healthcare providers, cutting-edge screening programs,
and organizations committed to patient support and research.
These local resources provide hope, tangible support for those
battling lung cancer and for their families.
Advancement in treatments, research continue to offer new
hope, but our fight is far from over. We must continue
advocating funding research and policies that ensure access to
lifesaving screening tools.
As we recognize Lung Cancer Month, let's honor those
we've lost, support those who are fighting, and commit to
spreading awareness together as a community.
Thank you again for sponsoring this proclamation. It is
extremely important to our community to spread awareness about
lung cancer screening. Early detection really is the only way.
And I'll just give you one quick note, because I know I will
talk your ear off, and I know we have just a little bit of time.
But one unique thing about lung cancer is your lungs do not have
nerve receptors, so you don't know you have lung cancer until it's
too late. Usually you become symptomatic, and you're no longer
eligible for lung cancer screening, which is covered by most of
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your insurances if you meet the criteria, just like a colonoscopy
or a breast exam. Lung cancer screening, unfortunately, is not
part of the HEDIS guidelines despite the fact that it's the leading
cause of cancer. That is hopefully going to be changed soon.
But when you go into your primary care office, they're not going
to bring up that screening to you. So advocate for yourself;
advocate for your community. It's extremely important. It's an
important conversation to have, and I'll leave you with that.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: I have just a couple real quick
questions.
MS. AUDIA: Sure.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: This may be an opportunity to
put a plug in for antismoking issues. How many -- what
percentage would you say --
MS. AUDIA: That's a great question.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: -- of lung cancer patients
are -- lung cancer patients -- or how many of those were smokers
at one point in their lives?
MS. AUDIA: Actually, 25 to 28 percent in our community
are nonsmoking individuals. And we're seeing people in their
20s, 30s that are not smoking. That's a big problem is people
associate lung cancer with smoking, and there's a huge stigma
with lung cancer. People that have been in the military, your
firefighters, your police officers, people that have worked
in -- believe it or not, lung cancer, the second leading cause of
lung cancer is radon exposure. The first, obviously, being
smoking. The second being radon exposure. And then theirs
genetics. Believe it or not, six of my family members have
passed away of lung cancer, and I have never ever been asked to
be screened for lung cancer before.
Most places offer out-of-the-pocket for lung cancer
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screening. You go in, and it's a low-dose CT scan of your lungs,
and they can detect lung cancer. Your survivability, if you catch
it in early stages, is 80 percent, 80 percent. When it gets to
Stage 3 and 4, you have less than a 2 to 4 percent of living
because it metastasizes throughout your lungs.
So I even urge you as the commissioners, push this, talk
about this with your firefighters or your people that are exposed
to different environmental things. I'm sure some of you up there
qualify to have a free lung cancer screening. Get a lung cancer
screening done. Talk to your providers about this.
Again, some of these physicians, when you go in there,
they're working at 99 percent capacity. They don't have the
opportunity to sit there and talk to you about, you know,
colonoscopies, about breast exams, about lung -- because they
have to have that shared decision with you. And, unfortunately,
they're at the bandwidth.
So bring it up, you know, advocate for yourself, advocate
for the people that work for you, at your health fair, invite NCH,
invite us -- we will -- I will talk to you about lung cancer
screening all day. Trust me, when people walk by my office, I
have to keep the door closed because people take the other way
because I'm always talking about lung cancer and the importance
of lung cancer. And really, nobody really realized that lung
cancer was so prevalent, and it was huge, because you don't see
people wearing white ribbons. You see people wearing pink
ribbons despite the fact that it far surpasses women's cancer with
breast and ovarian cancer combined. So it's --
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Well, thank you for that.
And one of the points that I wanted to make, based on those
statistics, is if 25 percent of lung cancer patients were
nonsmokers, I think that means 75 percent were smokers.
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MS. AUDIA: That's correct.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: And the point is cigarettes
cause lung cancer. So that was one of the messages I thought we
would try to get out this morning.
MS. AUDIA: Yes, that is the leading cause.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Yep. Thank you very much.
MS. AUDIA: Thank you so much.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Appreciate it.
MS. AUDIA: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. Public comments,
Ms. Patterson.
MS. PATTERSON: If we could get a motion to accept the
proclamations.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. Do we have a
motion?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So moved.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Second.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: We have a motion and a
second to accept the proclamations. All in favor, signify by
saying aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: It passes unanimously.
Item #7
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PUBLIC COMMENTS ON GENERAL TOPICS NOT ON THE
CURRENT OR FUTURE AGENDA
MS. PATTERSON: Yes, that brings us to Item 7, public
comments on general topics not on the current or future agenda.
MR. MILLER: We have four registered speakers this
morning. Your first is Jay Kohlhagen, and he'll be followed by
Jacob Kohlhagen.
MR. KOHLHAGEN: It's civics day.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: No relation?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Bringing in the troops?
MR. KOHLHAGEN: My grandson. This is a school day
for him.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Good morning.
MR. KOHLHAGEN: Jay Kohlhagen, for the record. How
you guys doing?
I just want to throw some of this out here that I've been
reading up on. Anyway. Moving on here.
Arizona, Connecticut, Florida, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa,
Kentucky, Maine, Pennsylvania, Missouri, New Hampshire,
North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Rhode Island, South
Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Wyoming, and
Minnesota. What do these two -- what do these 24 states have in
common? They are all -- they are the -- their state's making
legislation to protect their constituents from geo engineering and
weather modification experiments.
And we know Congress mandated to fund these geo
engineering projects without a single study of the effects of
human health, or not even a single vote was passed from We the
People giving our consent. We know now because we can see
now, and we -- our tax is being paid and sent via website
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usaspending.com.
Florida Senate Bill 56 would ban attempts that would cause
or disperse rain, snow, fog, or other atmospheric conditions. We
all need to support this. We need to make our sky blue again.
I've got another one here. A proposed cell tower where the
skunk ape roams in the Big Cypress National Preserve is coming
under fire with the locals around there. We need to better look
at the location. Cell towers will be obsolete in the near future. I
don't know why they continue to put these things up. It's like
ramping up production on horse carriages when the Ford Model
Ts are rolling off the assembly line. It's just stupid.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Jacob Kohlhagen.
He'll be followed by Francis Cook.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Good morning.
MR. JACOB KOHLHAGEN: Jacob Kohlhagen for the
record.
Today I stand before you and talk about an issue that has
sparked concern and curiosity worldwide. Chem trails. These
are visible streaks in the sky often mistaken for simple contrails,
but some believe they're part of a larger, more troubling agenda.
While there are many theories surrounding chemical trails, one
thing we can all agree on is the importance of transparency and
accountability in the actions that affect our environment and
health.
We live in a world where integrity of our air and atmosphere
is critical to our well-being. If chemicals are indeed being
dispersed and without the public's knowledge or consent, it
undermines our right to a safe and clean environment. Whether
it's for weather modification, geo engineering, or undisclosed
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purposes, we must question the long-term impact of such actions
on our planet, wildlife, and future generations.
Removing the chemical trails is not just about eliminating
the visible streaks in the sky. It's about ensuring that the policies
impacting our environment are done transparently, ethically, and
with our best interests at heart. We deserve to know what is
happening in our skies and trust that our health and safety are the
priorities.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Thank you.
MR. JACOB KOHLHAGEN: We want the sky blue again.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Yeah. Jacob, before you run,
where do you go to school?
MR. JACOB KOHLHAGEN: I homeschool.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: You homeschool.
Wonderful. You did a great job. Very well spoken, very
poised, and congratulations on that.
MR. JACOB KOHLHAGEN: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: How old are you?
MR. JACOB KOHLHAGEN: I am 13.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Outstanding.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. Thank you for your
presentation.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Francis Cook, and
he'll be followed by Joe Hunt.
MR. COOK: Good morning, Mr. Chair, Commissioners.
Hard times create strong men, and strong men create good
times. Good times create weak men, and weak men create hard
times.
Mr. Chairman, I stand before you as a weak man who has
created hard times for myself and for my family. I've acted like
a boy trapped in a man's body for 25 years, enduring unhealed
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emotional wounds from my childhood, being out of touch with
my masculinity, and wearing a mask to try and be the person I
thought others wanted me to be.
Hitting me like a ton of bricks, this realization is forcing me
to confront several character flaws, including selfishness,
arrogance, and emotional immaturity. Unconscious beliefs
about my self-worth, my potential, and my view of the world
have formed a destructive pattern of thinking resulting in
desperate needs for validation from others in a scarcity mindset
that's caused hesitation and missed opportunities, and in refusing
to play my part in raising our collective consciousness.
These beliefs were formed primarily by my parents and
cultural influences such as the school system, the entertainment
industry, my peer group, and even the government itself. And
while it's true these external influences did subconsciously
program my mind throughout my life, blaming others, blaming
circumstances, and blaming the systems of this world would be a
copout.
Mr. Chairman, I must take full responsibility and ownership
of every aspect of my life by admitting my faults, by gaining an
awareness of patterns of behavior, and by committing to a
relentless self-discipline to become a strong and honorable man.
It says in Proverbs 27:17, "As iron sharpens iron, so one
person sharpens another." And so I've made this public
declaration to invite scripturally based guidance and correction to
state my intentions to embrace a servant's heart and to receive
accountability for matching my actions with my words.
I'm also making this public declaration to break the stigma
about men's mental health and to show how important it is to
embrace vulnerability, to face uncomfortable emotions, and to
know that freedom is not something to be pursued and obtained,
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rather freedom is something that is cultivated inwardly by
uprooting limiting beliefs, interrupting destructive patterns of
behavior, and taking massive disciplined action to embrace the
fullest potential in life.
Freedom, Mr. Chairman, is an inside job. And so as we
move into America's golden age, I believe our families, our
communities, and the women in our lives are depending on men
to do our inner work and step into the best versions of ourselves
so that we can lead with love, with righteousness, with wisdom,
and with strength. Let's create good times again.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Mr. Cook, before you leave,
one quick comment, and then Commissioner Hall has a comment
as well.
It takes a lot of courage to come before a group like this, on
TV, and admit that you have some faults. We all have faults, but
most of us aren't willing to get up and talk about them, so I want
to congratulate you on that.
MR. COOPER: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: And then I know this type of
setting will hopefully help you as you progress in your journey.
MR. COOPER: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Mr. Hall, Commissioner Hall.
COMMISSIONER HALL: Thank you, Chair.
Mr. Cook, thanks for your humility.
MR. COOPER: My pleasure.
COMMISSIONER HALL: God resists the proud, but he's
with the humble. And so I just want to encourage you. The
words that you hear form the thoughts in your head, the thoughts
in your head lead to emotions, those emotions will lead to
decisions that you make, the decisions that you make you'll take
action on, from those actions you'll create habits, the habits that
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are created will form your character, and the character that you
create will take you to your destiny.
So if you find yourself listening to the wrong words and
having the wrong thoughts, peel it backwards. If you find your
emotions are out of whack, peel it backwards. Go back to what
you're listening to, what you're reading. I just want to encourage
you with that.
MR. COOPER: I appreciate both your words. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Our final registered speaker for Item 7 is
Joe Hunt.
MR. HUNT: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
It's meant to be. The previous speakers before kind of hit
the sentiment that I have about this country, and the advice the
same. Let's go back to the original.
Now, I don't think I have to give a grand lecture about the
Constitution and our oaths of office, right? I've taken the oath of
office. I assume many of us have ourselves, right?
So I am a man here to lawfully redress my grievances. I
bought a house in Naples, 2667 Lakeview Drive, right next to Dr.
Angel Herrera, 2649. Within the first few months, he's
committed trespass, egregious trespass by altering the seawall
and installing a drain pipe. See there's some photos here. If I
can get to it quickly enough.
But either way, it's creating a major flooding condition,
meaning the water now, because I have installed 11,000 -- 11 ton
of rock, the water now comes through his driveway. This was
before the water crested the seawall. It came through the
driveway, filled the field across the street. I've been in long-term
litigation.
So I'll get to the crux of the matter -- oh, this is the upkeep
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of the house. So when I say my civil liberties are shredded, I'm
talking about disparity of enforcement. I've made multiple
complaints to John Johnson.
Now, the who, what, when, and where I think has been
answered. You know the when, when I first moved in. The
what, the alteration of the seawall, installing a drain pipe with no
clapper valve, meaning boom. Plus there's probably other -- you
know, under deposition, the wall's a mess.
But the why and the who. Because through this litigation
process, I've had some of the big construction companies of
Southwest Florida under deposition such as Grady Moran [sic],
Michael Herrera, Mike -- Mark Moran [sic]. Tim Hall, building
Naples Pier, right? John Johnson, senior building inspector.
They are defending the seawall that has admittedly had a repair
by Dr. Herrera, unlicensed, uninsured, no diagrams. These guys
figured a way to get it permitted -- back-permitted.
But this is the reason why I'm here, because through
litigation -- I'm looking at the overheads. Now, my house is in
the red, okay. You're looking at the Windstar up here. The
water comes out. Lakeview Drive. Now, this is the center
point in the town.
Now, why would all of these construction people be digging
in to protect a house that's collapsing? As a matter of fact, why
did they purchase the house, and why did not his brother fix the
wall? Because I believe their intention is to flood out the
neighborhood, because due to this, like an arson investigation, as
a previous fireman, we would find it by the lowest point on the
wall where the fire started. So therefore, if you take a funnel and
you use the funnel strategy from this point on, going up
towards -- well, this would be south, that's flooding out this entire
region here.
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CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Mr. Hunt, okay. You're
going through an awful lot of information that I don't think any of
us can fully comprehend.
MR. HUNT: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: So what I'm going to suggest
to you -- I don't know what commission district you're in, but
perhaps you could set up a meeting with the commissioner in
your -- from whatever district that is.
MR. HUNT: Sir, sir, I'm just here to hold you -- everyone
liable and put this on the record --
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Okay, that's fine.
MR. HUNT: -- that Bayshore --
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Well, wait. Stop.
MR. HUNT: -- is under --
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Please.
MR. HUNT: -- serious distress.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. All right. Your
time is up, then. I was going to make some recommendations.
But your time is up. We'll see you at the next meeting, I suspect.
MR. HUNT: I'm actually -- I have other constitutional
work to attend to.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right.
MR. HUNT: But I will be seeing everyone, especially after
this gentleman's pool collapses --
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Mr. Hunt. Mr. Hunt.
MR. HUNT: -- and the road collapses.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Mr. Hunt, please.
MR. HUNT: Then we'll be talking about more serious
charges.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Mr. Hunt, your time's up.
All right.
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MR. HUNT: Thank you. Have a good day.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Ms. Patterson.
MS. PATTERSON: Yes, sir. That brings us to Items 11.
Item #11A
PRESENTATION REGARDING FY 2026 BUDGET POLICY AND
PROVIDE GUIDANCE AS WE MOVE TOWARD BUDGET
POLICY ADOPTION IN MARCH. (CHRISTOPHER JOHNSON,
DIVISION DIRECTOR - CORPORATE FINANCIAL &
MANAGEMENT SERVICES) - PRESENTED WITH DISCUSSION
MS. PATTERSON: Item 11A is a recommendation to hear
a presentation regarding FY 2026 budget policy and provide
guidance as we move towards budget policy adoption in March.
Mr. Christopher Johnson, division director of Corporate and
Financial Management Services, is here to present.
MR. JOHNSON: Good morning, Commissioners.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Good morning.
MR. JOHNSON: Chris Johnson, your director of
Corporate Financial and Management Services, for the record.
We're here today to kick off our FY '26 budget year with a
brief budget policy discussion.
Today we're going to talk about the FY '26 budget timeline,
budget funding overview for FY '25, economic indicators, ad
valorem history, we'll go briefly through the priority-based
budgeting approach that we'll be utilizing this year for the second
year, and we'll have a budget policy discussion on some
high-level policy issues, followed by next steps.
The first thing I'm going to go over really briefly is
everyone's favorite calendar here. Starting with today, we're
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having our FY '26 budget policy discussion. Next week we'll be
having our strategic plan and priority-based budgeting workshop
on Tuesday, the 4th. The following week, on March 11th, we'll
be adopting the BCC budget policy.
And I'm going to skip through a few of these to give you
guys some important tentative dates for this year, for the FY '26
budget cycle. The June workshops are tentatively going to be
scheduled for 6/19 -- June 19th and June 20th, which is a
Thursday and a Friday, the proposed maximum millage rate
adoption is on the 8th of July, which is a regular board meeting, a
Tuesday, and finally, the first public hearing is tentatively
scheduled for September 4th, and the second one on
September 18th, 2025.
Any questions on the schedule before I move on?
(No response.)
MR. JOHNSON: All right. All right. We'll start with the
FY '25 budget overview just to orient everyone on the
current-year budget. This first slide here, this first chart depicts
the net adopted budget for the county. The net adopted budget is
$2.1 billion. As you can see from this chart, we have substantial
reserves at $691 million.
Our physical environment, which is our Water/Sewer
District, solid waste, stormwater, and beach renourishment comes
in at second there at 21 percent, or 442 million, followed by
public safety at 382 million, or 18 percent.
This chart here depicts our sources of current county
government operating revenues. Now, this is -- this is for all
funds. As you can see, ad valorem is our main source. Ad
valorem, our property taxes, are our main source of revenue at
47 percent, or $473 million, followed by our service charges at
31 percent, or $381 million.
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This chart here depicts the FY '25 ad valorem property tax
by fund. As you all know, General Fund is our primary ad
valorem fund at 458 million, or 80 percent of the ad valorem
collected, followed by our Unincorporated Area General Fund at
66 million, or 11 percent of the total.
And this chart here depicts the General Fund ad valorem by
category. As you can see, our health, safety, welfare is what the
majority of our ad valorem is spent on at 58.3 percent.
And this is our Unincorporated General Fund at $66 million
in ad valorem. And there is -- there is health, safety, and welfare
in this. It consists of our Code Enforcement, Ochopee Fire
District, and Division of Forestry at 17 percent, and most of the
money here goes to our parks and roads and stormwater at
$47.2 million, which is discretionary.
All right. From here I'm going to move on to a few
economic indicators and some ad valorem history.
This chart here depicts the CPI year over year from
December '21 to December 2024. The current year CPI is
2.8 percent. That has dropped from last year's December to
December CPI, which was 5.7 percent.
Moving on here, this is the Florida Price Level Index.
What this is is this is an index that the school board uses as a
basis for labor costs across the state. When you look at these
numbers here, you can see that the most -- this is the most recent
Florida Price Level Index from 2023. Collier County, for the
second year in a row, ranked the highest of the 67 counties as it
relates to labor costs. This chart here just depicts this in a map
format. As you can see, South Florida in the dark green, has the
highest cost of labor in the state.
This chart here depicts the historical changes in our taxable
value all the way back to 2006. You can see the dip in the
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recession. We've been, since 2013, gaining in taxable value.
As you can see, from '23 to '25 we have some pretty good years
of taxable value increase. The 2026 number you see there is
going to be our planning number. That's what we've wrapped
our scenario around from -- for budget policy.
Property tax rate history, this is the General Fund. As you
all know, we’ve carried on a 3.5645 rate for many, many years.
Within the last two years, we did achieve rollback twice, bringing
it down to 3.0107 in the General Fund.
Same is true for the Unincorporated Area General Fund, just
not quite as long of a timeline. In '17 that increased to 0.8069.
The two years of rollback have brought that rate to 0.6844. And
what does that mean? These two tables here show you the
General Fund and Unincorporated Area General Fund taxpayer
savings compared to the FY '23 or FY '22 rate, which was that
original rate I was telling you about.
So you can see here, over the last two years we've saved the
taxpayers 134 million in General Fund and 18.7 million in the
Unincorporated General Fund for a total of $152 million. The
table below depicts -- depicts if we were to go millage neutral
this year at that rate of 3.0107, we would -- compared to the 2023
rate, we would be saving the taxpayers about $100 million across
those two funds.
Any questions on any of that?
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner Hall.
COMMISSIONER HALL: Yes, Mr. Johnson. The
savings at the bottom right there on the last screen --
MR. JOHNSON: Correct.
COMMISSIONER HALL: -- the hundred million, is that a
running total from 2023 and 2024, or is that an additional 100
million?
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MR. JOHNSON: That would be additional based on the
difference between the rates in 2023 and the potential for the rate
this year at millage neutral.
COMMISSIONER HALL: That's if we went millage
neutral?
MR. JOHNSON: Correct. And that's with a 5 percent
taxable value increase calculated in that. So that would shift
depending on the actual taxable values that we receive from the
Property Appraiser.
COMMISSIONER HALL: Thank you.
MR. JOHNSON: You're very welcome.
All right. Now I'll briefly go over the priority-based
budgeting approach that we -- that the Board implemented last
year that we'll be utilizing again this year.
What is priority-based budgeting? Priority-based budgeting
is a strategic approach to budgeting that aligns our financial
resources with the strategic priorities of our organization. By
connecting budget decisions to strategic goals and objectives, the
county can achieve greater efficiency and effectiveness.
This chart here kind of shows our flow for our
implementation that we followed last year and we'll be following
again this year. At our March 4th workshop, we'll be here to
define our strategic goals and priorities. From there, we'll
establish our prioritization criteria. Then staff will gather budget
data through the budget process, and we'll align that budget with
these priorities and allocate the budget based on those priorities.
And next week as well we'll have ResourceX here for the -- for
the workshop, and we'll be talking about some of the insights that
we've implemented along with Mr. Fabian's approach to
priority-based budgeting.
Any questions on that?
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CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: I don't see anybody lit up.
Commissioner McDaniel.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I hit my button too late.
Good morning. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Do you have the priority -- our budget priorities listed
anywhere in this -- in this presentation?
MR. JOHNSON: I do not in this presentation. We'll be
bringing that back next week.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. All right.
Because I'd like to see those and make sure they're what I recall.
MR. JOHNSON: Perfect. We can do that.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay.
MR. JOHNSON: All right.
And this slide I know you-all are familiar with. This is the
ResourceX budgeting lasagna, if you will. We're starting this
year at the bottom again with our program inventory. And what
we'll do is we'll have staff go through their program inventory,
update it. From there, we add the line-item data into it, which is
the old way we did the budgets through line-item allocations.
We put it into programs. From there, we apply the attributes, the
impact on the outcomes of our strategic plan to create budget
proposals and move forward with you guys in June.
Any questions on that? I know you've seen that probably
10 times in the last year.
All right. Now we'll move on to our budget policy
discussion.
Today I'm going to go over briefly employee compensation,
health insurance rates, operating control lines, millage rates,
capital -- and capital allocations, along with our reserve policy
for -- recommended reserve policy for FY '26.
All right. I'm going to start off here with our General Fund
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and Unincorporated Area General Fund operating control lines.
Why do we establish budgeting control lines? It's a critical step
in the preparation of priority-based budgeting. It establishes the
total resources available for the departments, it allows the
departments to prioritize and make their own tradeoffs within
their -- within their -- within their reign of control there, and it
also provides accountability and transparency.
What we're recommending this year, based on that initial
5 percent taxable value scenario, is a 3 percent operating control
line. And what this means is that department operations for
FY '26 -- that the operations that rely on the General Fund and
the Unincorporated General Fund for funding will be restricted to
a 3 percent increase for current program services and operating
transfers that feed those funds.
Any questions on that?
(No response.)
MR. JOHNSON: All right.
Capital allocations. We're recommending an additional
$5 million allocation to the maintenance reserve. And I
have -- the next slide will kind of be a brief history on our
maintenance reserve. In addition, we're recommending a
5 percent adjustment on General and Unincorporated General
Fund capital maintenance transfers.
And this slide here depicts our countywide capital reserve
since inception. As you can see, in '23 to '24, there was a large
reduction in our reserve due to Hurricane Ian, and then in '25 we
also reduced the reserve to balance the capital maintenance side
of the budget. So we currently sit at, in '25, at $7.6 million in
this reserve. Based on the initial planning scenario, we would be
looking to increase that reserve to at least $12.6 million.
Employee compensation, again, the slide earlier depicted the
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December CPI of 2.8 percent. And as you saw, the most recent
Florida Price Level Index ranked Collier County at the highest of
all 67 counties in the state. The pay plan recommendation for
FY '26 is a 3 percent adjustment; a COLA or general wage
adjustment of 2 and a half percent, and a pay plan maintenance
allocation of a half a percent.
From there I'll move into health insurance. As everyone
knows, our health insurance costs have been increasing. They're
expected to increase again between 6 and 7 percent for this
current year, FY '25. The recommended reserves for health
insurance are 25.3 million for FY '26. This is to achieve
99 percent certainty within the fund, and I'll go over that here in a
second.
To achieve this, there's kind of two parts that we're
recommending here. First off, a 9 percent adjustment to
employer and employee contributions to the plan and then a
potential for a one-time fund-level contribution to the plan to
stabilize it based on FTE counts within the individual payer
funds.
Any questions on that before I go into the calculation of the
reserves?
(No response.)
MR. JOHNSON: I'll just show you guys a quick slide here,
too, that kind of shows our trend in health insurance. The kind
of, I guess, magenta color is our expenses, the darker purple is
the revenues, and the green is our reserve level. So as you can
see, our expenses are exceeding our revenues, and our reserves
are decreasing, hence the recommendation for an increase in
the -- in the health insurance costs.
And then this is -- this is what we're utilizing to calculate our
recommended reserve. As you can see here, our minimum
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recommended reserve is 25.3 million. That includes the required
minimum reserve, which is 18.7 million, which consists of two
parts: Our incurred but not reported claims, which this year
totaled 9.5 million; and 60 days of claims, which total 92 -- I'm
sorry, $9.2 million.
In addition, to achieve 99 percent certainty, we recommend
an additional amount to cover the cost variance. If you look at
the chart, it's a Monte Carlo simulation, 10,000 trials to get this
bell curve, if you will. The best estimated mean for next year is
52.2 million in claims. The 99th percentile -- with certainty at
the 99th percentile is 58.1. The difference is 6.6 million, so we
add that to the reserve to ensure that we are covered within the
99 percent certainty.
Any questions on that?
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner Hall.
COMMISSIONER HALL: All right. When I see this bell
curve, I'm thinking I've answered 35 percent of the answers right,
but I got an A. So I know that you're real familiar with all of
this, and you're going through it fairly rapidly. But does the
county need to incur to bring this up, or is that going to be a part
of the -- increase the fees on the employees or a combination of
both?
MR. JOHNSON: Combination of both. So the 9 percent
would be an employee/employer contribution, and if we did a
fund level adjustment, that would employer.
COMMISSIONER HALL: Employer.
MR. JOHNSON: Correct.
COMMISSIONER HALL: Okay. Thank you.
MR. JOHNSON: You're welcome.
All right. And at the 9 percent rate, this chart here just
shows the employee health plan increase. The center there is per
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month, the center section. It varies between $10.51 to $56.55 a
month at the 9 percent rate depending on the type of plan.
All right. Millage rate policy. Prioritized capital and
operating maintenance budgets. Millage rate is going to be
calculated with preliminary taxable value based on the budget
requirements within those established control lines we set, which
were 3 percent for operating and that 5 percent for capital
maintenance transfers.
New incremental general governmental capital and
expanded operating budget proposals will include a funding
source and required incremental millage. Those would be above
and beyond what was put in the scenario. So any additional
expanded requests and/or requirements for additional
maintenance or capital projects or reserve levels, for that matter,
if we're looking at that capital reserve.
MSTU millages for FY '26, it is recommended that the
MSTUs be limited to a millage rate sufficient to cover the current
budget year operations and any planned capital from those
MSTUs.
General governmental reserves, the General Fund,
we're -- the recommendation is to stick with our continuing
policy of between 8 and 16 percent of operating revenues.
That's between 50 and $100 million, essentially. For FY '25, the
budgeted reserve is 77.6 million. The planning scenario has that
reserve at 79.6, an increase of about $2 million.
Unincorporated Area General Fund, the target is 8 percent or
one month of expenses or approximately 6.5 million. For '25,
the budgeted reserve was 6.2 million. Any other general
governmental funds that receive transfer revenue from the
General Fund or the Unincorporated General Fund will be sized
at one month's revenue or whenever we have -- whenever we
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plan to send those transfers over to fund that fund to get them
through with the cash flow until that point.
Enterprise Fund reserves, the Collier County Water/Sewer
District user fee reserves are established minimumly between 5
and 15 percent of revenues with working capital resources
between 45 and 90 days. That's a continuation of policies from
years past. I see I have an extra period there. I apologize.
Solid waste reserves will be set between the 45 and 90 days
based on FY '25 operating expenses, and we'll continue to
reestablish the solid waste restricted reserve for disaster response
which was utilized during Hurricane Ian and Hurricane Milton.
Targeted reserves within Growth Management Permit Fund
1013 and Planning Fund 1014 will be set to three months and
nine months of total budget appropriations respectively.
And with that, our next -- any questions on any of that
before I go on to the next steps?
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner McDaniel.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Just this one -- I was
bumping Planning and Zoning yesterday, and we want to make
sure that we have -- because we have multiple pieces of property
that we already own that need -- direly need to be rezoned, and
I'm hearing that there are budgetary constraints affecting that.
So just make sure that we're touching the planning and -- the
planning fund sufficiently so that we have the revenues to
accomplish those needs, please.
MR. JOHNSON: All right. All right. Appreciate it.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: I have a couple questions, first
for Ms. Patterson. In terms of the pay increase, what is the
current status in terms of vacant positions? Are we -- will we
still be competitive? What's that scenario looking like?
MS. PATTERSON: So we still are struggling to hire.
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Obviously, it's a very competitive market out there. Now, we
never expect to compete against private sector. That's just not
realistic. But local governments continue to recruit our
employees, so remaining competitive with them is important.
The Board did take several steps a couple of years ago to try to
bring our pay plan current. So what we're doing is attempting to
keep that current with these general wage adjustments or the
COLAs that we're doing each year.
We're at a loss for some of these positions, and there's no
way we can buy our way out of them. We just have things like
project managers, engineers, things like that, where we just aren't
able to hire. But it appears that we're becoming a little bit more
competitive when we're dealing with some of the general
positions.
Now, we do analyze every vacant position when people
leave, through retirement or whatever their reasons are, for the
appropriateness of that position to be sure that we have those jobs
slated correctly and that we're attempting to recruit the right
people for the right jobs.
We still are running the workforce prioritization pool, and
that's that group of positions that had been vacant for a very long
time that we hold back for strategic types of programs or
whatever if there's a need.
So to us the pay plan, continuing on with the cost-of-living
adjustments in this competitive environment is key for us to be
able to recruit and retain staff.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Correct me if I'm wrong, I
think we had some testimony some time back that if we were able
to hire project managers, that that would be far less expensive
than contracting on individual projects. I think Commissioner
Hall kind of led the lead in terms of figuring that out.
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MS. PATTERSON: Yes, that is true.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: So what's the status of that?
Are we looking to do that?
MS. PATTERSON: Yes. We are continuing -- none of
our project manager positions have gone to the workforce
prioritization pool, and we continue to look at ways that we can
recruit project managers as well as attempting to have an internal
mentoring process where we bring them up ourselves.
Other areas where we have difficulties, it's nothing new.
It's -- we have a national shortage of public safety. You know,
for the last several years we've been working on getting EMS
right sized, and then over at DAS, continuing to aggressively
pursue hiring an in-house veterinarian. Those services are
always augmented by out-sourced things, but we have increased
the limit on what we're willing to pay, the maximum amount paid
for a veterinarian in attempt to recruit a veterinarian for DAS.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: I only mention that just -- I
think it's important, obviously, to trim fat from the budget and to
keep taxes as low as possible, but at the same time, we want to
maintain a very high level of services in the community, and we
want to be in the position, like with project managers, where
we're actually spending money on employees but saving money
in our contracts.
So I know it's important to keep the numbers as low as
possible, but as we go forward with this, I'd like some more
analysis as to are we doing something here in the guise of saving
some money but at the same time creating more expense for the
county and less services.
MS. PATTERSON: Yes, sir. And it's a delicate balance.
We have high expectations in this community, and obviously, we
have a lot of -- a lot of things going on both with our growth
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capital as well as our capital maintenance, so those project
managers are incredibly important.
Also, the private sector has a lot of work, so the availability
of even being able to outsource any of that just because we're in
need, it's very, very expensive, and they don't necessarily always
have a lot of resources to give to us. So those are highly
prioritized for recruitment, and we'll continue to look at different
ways that we can do that.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: I may have misunderstood
this, but you went through several different issues dealing with
reserves, and one of them was -- I believe was reserves for our
general employment of 1 percent -- or one month. Did I
misunderstand that?
MR. JOHNSON: That's General Fund in general. One to
two months, 8 to 16 percent.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Okay. So what does that
cover?
MR. JOHNSON: That covers the cash flow needs for the
General Fund. As you know, we don't receive our ad valorem
until --
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Right. Understood. That's
why I'm asking the question. I thought you said it was one
month of reserves, but now you're saying one to two months.
MR. JOHNSON: It's between one and two. We're at
about one and a half currently. So we try to follow the guidance
of one to two months, which is best practice.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Okay. So in your
professional opinion, the number for reserves you have for that is
sufficient?
MR. JOHNSON: Yes, I believe what we have planned is
sufficient.
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CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. And the reserves, I
think the number was 12.6 million, down from about 25 million.
What reserve fund was that for?
MR. JOHNSON: That's in the countywide Capital Fund.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Right.
MR. JOHNSON: That was -- if you recall, that was the
reserve we utilized to address the needs after Hurricane Ian.
And last year we utilized that to continue with capital -- capital
maintenance and projects even with the reduced --
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: We would be down to 12.6
million. When we -- when Hurricane Irma came through, do
you recall just kind of generally how much reserves we had to tap
into?
MR. JOHNSON: Irma or Ian?
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Well, Irma was the first one,
but Ian as well.
MR. JOHNSON: If you recall in -- I don't have that
number offhand for Irma, but in Irma, what we did -- we didn't
have that reserve, so we ended up tapping into actual capital
projects and reducing our capital plan. So that's the purpose of
that reserve is to avoid having to do that.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: But with Ian, how much did
we have to tap into?
MR. JOHNSON: We tapped into that $13.3 million that
year. Now, we utilized for budget flow purposes around
30- right away, but as we received money from FEMA, we were
able to back off that amount to keep that reserve at about 22
million overall.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: You're comfortable with the
12.6 million?
MR. JOHNSON: I believe that should be a higher number.
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Again, once we get taxable value, we can look at that and provide
proposals for that.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: What should that number be?
MR. JOHNSON: I mean, honestly, around the -- we do
have other options now with a few other areas of reserves, but if
we could be putting in 7.5 million a year, plus, that would be
something that I think would be beneficial to us.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Okay.
MR. JOHNSON: We had started with 5- a year. That was
the initial plug. It depends on the circumstances with hurricanes.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: I'm still trying to get my arms
around the number. So we're going to have reserves with this
proposal of about 12.6 million. And the question was whether
that's sufficient. I think you said that you'd like to have more.
Then you mentioned 7 million, so you confused me.
MR. JOHNSON: Oh, I'm sorry. An additional amount of
7 and a half million per year. Currently we're adding 5 million a
year.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Okay. So you feel it should
be around 20-. We're going to add 5- each year?
MR. JOHNSON: Around 15- to $20 million --
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Okay.
MR. JOHNSON: -- for next year.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner Hall made a
good suggestion that we not have any hurricanes for a while.
MR. JOHNSON: I would second that if I had a vote.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: I will tell you a long, long
time ago, the Florida Legislature -- and this is back after the state
had had numerous hurricanes. I think we were up to -- we were
into the Greek alphabet on hurricanes and tropical storms. The
legislature passed a resolution declaring that we would not have
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any more hurricanes. And I think for five years or so we had no
hurricanes. So we might want to talk to Kathleen Passidomo
about that.
Commissioner McDaniel.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. And thank you for
bringing this up, Mr. Chair.
You know, when you and I first came into office, this
account didn't even exist. Up until that point, our methodology
for any kind of a natural disaster cleanup was to belay necessary,
oftentimes life-sustaining capital projects.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: That's true, because I think the
2017 hurricane, we were dealing with a 2016 budget; we weren't
on the Board at that time.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: You are absolutely
correct. And I had long conversations with our senior staff and
ultimately got this account established.
Our entire facilities department that had been managed
internally had never had any kind of actuarials done. We
were -- at the time I thought we were a little bit over a billion in
assets, and then necessarily found out that we were just shy of
2 billion in assets and never had applied any kind of an actuarial.
And so what I would like to see next week is what that
actual number needs to be coming from our -- from our revenue
sources to put into this capital reserve. It's -- if my recollections
are correct, it's -- it's something north of 20 million a year needs
to be put into this to be able to maintain and ultimately replace
our capital assets when they reach their useful life expiration.
So I'd like a little bit more definite -- because back when we
hired Mark to be our County Manager, we were in the final
stages of the data entry and doing those actuarials, so -- and I
recall a number being thrown around of between 20 and
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24 million a year needed to be put in here to ensure that we had
necessary maintenance reserves along with capital replacement
when useful life actually was attained.
MR. JOHNSON: And we can put that together. We had a
model last year. I don't remember the exact numbers. But I'll
take a look at that and bring it to you next week.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yeah, please, just for a
discussion point. It's -- this is a highly discretionary fund that
we can -- that we can have available for future needs and future
uses as we go along, especially when these
short-term -- relatively speaking, short-term -- and we can
do -- Mr. Chair, we can do a resolution about waiving on the
hurricanes in the upcoming seasons. I'd be happy to do that.
But it's imperative that we account for the capital assets that the
county owns and that we have numbers associated with the useful
life of those capital assets so we have the necessary repairs and
maintenance, ultimately, and the replacement capital that's
requisite.
My second --
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Oh, I'm sorry.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I do have two points.
You brought this one up, but the second one has -- it goes back
into the compensation side.
We also rewrote job descriptions circa that same time frame
to be able to initiate a merit pay program, especially with
our -- and it would work well with our project managers. Have
we -- have we renewed in that regard at all?
MS. PATTERSON: So we are still having some
difficulties with the merit program. There are a lot of hurdles on
how to equitably administer that merit program, so we're
continuing to look at it. And it's not something that we're the
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only ones that struggle with. We've had similar conversations
with the Sheriff's Office, unfortunately. That's just sort of the
world we live in today. So looking at different options on how
we might be able to implement -- re-implement a merit program
and ensure that it can be administered fairly.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And I understand,
Ms. Patterson, that you can't operate government like you do the
private sector, but certainly, we could have review of our
contractual hiring agreements that we have with people,
especially on the project manager side of things. When projects
are brought in on time and under budget, bonuses can, in fact, be
paid to incentivize our project managers to pay a little bit closer
attention to the line items and the circumstances that are
prevalent along those lines.
Number two, the other side of that equation -- and I use this
example regularly -- we have an enormous fleet of very, very
bright people that we do have employed now. And when
someone comes to us with a nice idea that can save the taxpayers
money, compensation could/should be offered to be able to
effectuate those savings.
You know, Commissioner LoCastro has spoken regularly
about “This isn't our money. This is the taxpayers' money,” and
it's a benefit to all if savings can be effectuated.
So I'd like to see that merit pay -- I'd like to know what the
obstacles are, and then I'd like to have a discussion on what we
can do to overcome those obstacles to be able to initiate that.
MS. PATTERSON: Yes, sir. If it's okay with you, I'll talk
with our HR folks, and we'll get on your calendar so we can chat
about some of those difficulties.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Absolutely.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner Kowal.
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COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Thank you, Chairman.
You know, within the last five years, I think we had three
weather events that affected our area. One pretty bad, the other
two not so much. But is there any outstanding monies owed to
the county through any of the other agencies, the federal?
MR. JOHNSON: Yeah. We're still working through all of
those storms: Ian, Helene, Milton. I believe there was another
one that started with an I, Idalia. So that's work in progress -- in
process, I should say.
As we get contracts going -- I know Caxambas is a recent
one that we've started working on -- we have to incur the expense
before we can be repaid. So these things take five to seven years
sometimes before you see the money back. But yes, there is
potential FEMA reimbursements coming our way.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Because I know you had
mentioned after Ian, you know, we dipped into our reserve
funds --
MR. JOHNSON: Yes.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: -- and used initially almost
$30 million. But you said at some point it came down to equate
to about 13-, 14- after --
MR. JOHNSON: For that year. And we were able to take
advantage of a new process FEMA had where they allowed
upfront payment for debris. So we ended up, I believe it
was -- don't quote me, but I believe it was around $23 million
upfront from FEMA ahead of us incurring the expenses, which
helped out with that.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Where I'm going with these
questions are, is there a magic number? I believe -- right? We
have to acquire so much damages before we qualify for some of
those things up front, correct?
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MR. JOHNSON: There is. I don't know it offhand.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: So we're almost worse off
having a bunch of little storms than having one big catastrophic
one, because then it comes out of our reserves fund --
MR. JOHNSON: That is correct.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: -- and we don't get refunded
for it.
MR. JOHNSON: And the number isn't too substantial.
It's -- but yeah, those little ones are --
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: But I remember just Debby
itself, just, you know, in the low-lying areas, we had --
MR. JOHNSON: And I don't believe that one qualified for
FEMA.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: It didn't, right? And we had
to spend that out of our own pocket.
MR. JOHNSON: Exactly, exactly.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Something -- just food for
thought for the rest of the people up here.
MR. JOHNSON: No, I appreciate it.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner McDaniel, you
had something else?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That goes back to the
capital reserve that we were discussing earlier. When we've got
those reserves in place, the actuarial that's applied to our capital
assets allows -- you've got a 50-year useful life and a 20-year roof
and 10-year windows and two-year paint, and one-year parking
lot, and you're supposed to put away a certain amount of money
every year so that you've got the capacity to maintain those assets
and then ultimately have the capital to replace the asset when the
useful life has expired, and -- but when you have 20- and 50-year
money that's sitting in this particular reserve, that allows for
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discretionary spending on short-term items. Especially, if we
don't reach qualifications with the different agencies that do
reimburse us, we've got the money to be able to take care of our
citizenry at the same time. So that reserve account's imperative
for our longevity and maintaining the reserves that we require to
protect our citizens.
MR. JOHNSON: Any other questions before I move on?
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: I don't see anybody lit up here,
so I assume none.
MR. JOHNSON: All right. I'll just quickly go over our
next steps then.
As I stated before, on March 4th we'll have our strategic
plan and priority-based budget workshop with ResourceX. We'll
bring back some of this stuff that you guys have requested. And
then on March 11th, we'll bring budget policy to the Board for
approval. And from there, staff will start putting together their
budgets.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Do we have any registered
speakers?
MR. MILLER: No.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. Thank you,
Mr. Johnson.
MR. JOHNSON: All right. Thank you, all. Appreciate
it.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Oh, I'm sorry. We do have
two lights lit up here. Commissioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Thank you, Chairman.
I just wanted to wait till the end. I just have two things for
Ms. Patterson. Are we still under any type of hiring freezes
across any divisions, departments, offices? So everything that
we're advertising out on the street, we're actively -- we're actively
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pursuing? Because I know there's some other government
agencies across the county that are experiencing certain areas
where they are sort of freezing, maybe the Sheriff and maybe a
couple of other places. But as far as us in this building,
everything is wide open?
MS. PATTERSON: The only -- the only thing that we
have is the workforce prioritization pool, which is a group of
positions that were open for -- and vacant for a very long time
that were picked up and put into a prioritized pool for use to be
deployed out under different circumstances. But as far as the
rest of the open positions and as well as people who leave, the
only thing that we are doing is making sure that we ask the
questions when somebody vacated a position, "Is this the position
that you need?" And we evaluate it that way, but
people -- there's no hiring freeze as far as our ongoing -- our
ongoing vacancies.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Okay. And then, you
know, second for you, Chris, is just more of a comment. But a
year or so ago, maybe a little longer, you know -- and I think I'm
speaking for all the commissioners here -- we charged you and
the group that you're here representing to start putting some meat
on the bone for us.
You know, I remember when I was first elected -- and it's no
slam on the process, but sometimes we got a lot of cartoon
drawings up here. You know, we're smart enough to see
spreadsheets and see numbers. And I've just been very
impressed over the last year with the deep dive that we're getting,
not only at these meetings but that we'll get next Tuesday. And
that was -- that was always our direction, you know. We want to
be part of this process, just not being told what's being done.
And you could already see the fruits of our labor all working
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together with a lot more detail and a lot more knowledge for the
numbers. And so I really commend you for that. You know,
when you've had one-on-ones with us -- I'm sure I'm -- like I said,
I'm speaking for all the commissioners. I've always been really
impressed that I'm not just getting three PowerPoint slides that
are, you know, in five different colors with a graph and a chart,
but it's actually, you know, spreadsheets and numbers, and we
can really talk about the details.
And so I really look forward to next Tuesday's meeting as
well to continue to do a deep dive because, obviously, you know,
two billion sounds like a lot, but it goes fast. You know, it goes
fast.
So -- and then, you know, I'll make one comment about
Caxambas. Nobody wants hurricanes, but like Commissioner
Kowal said, a bunch of these little storms can really, you know,
bankrupt us in a way, you know, as far as repairs and things.
You know, when Ian hit Caxambas as hard as it did, I don't want
to ever say it did us a favor, but it did exactly what you said, it
put us over that threshold, and it really allowed us to attack it
aggressively with many repairs and things that were needed over
many years that just sort of were difficult to make the cut.
But I also know it's hard to chase those dollars. And, you
know, you and others in this room -- and I've got some in the
back, you know, Jamie French, Trinity, Jaime Cook, all these
people that work really hard to secure grants and work with
FEMA and put all this together. I know it's a lot of heavy lifting,
so I really commend you for the improvement and the -- how
we've increased the air speed for us up here in this budget
process, so thank you very much. You know, it's noticed and
appreciated.
MR. JOHNSON: I appreciate the kind words. It takes a
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village, for sure.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner McDaniel.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. And so just to
repeat for my brain, we're going to basically adopt or recommend
a budget at rollback with the 3 percent allowable year-over-year
increases?
MR. JOHNSON: Not -- not at rollback. The budget is a
5 percent TV increase, taxable valuable increase, is what we put
into the plan. And then from there, any additional items above
that 5 percent, which is those control lines that we set, would
be -- would be incremental millage that we would present in
June.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner Hall.
I'm sorry.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That's not a satisfactory
answer. And forgive me. That's not what I understood you to
say.
It was my understanding that we were producing the
expense budget at rollback with a 3 percent increase
year-over-year expenditure allowance.
MR. JOHNSON: At the moment I don't have taxable
value. So I mean, 5 percent is right around where we expect that
net new taxable value to be, between usually 4 -- 3 and a half and
4 and a half percent. This year I'm expecting it to be a little bit
higher. That would then create rollback in that situation at that
5 -- 4 and a half, 5 percent.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So what does the -- what
does the taxable value have to do with last year's expenses with
what they were? That's my question to you.
MR. JOHNSON: What does the taxable value have to do
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with last year's expenses?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Correct. That
determines the ultimate revenue that we're going to receive when
the tax bills come out.
MR. JOHNSON: Correct.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: But the -- but the
proposition of this year's expenses over last year's expenses, last
year's expenses we know what they are.
MR. JOHNSON: Yep. So we took the 3 percent based on
the CPI, and then that 5 percent is a little -- the 5 percent for
capital is a little bit of an increment to attack our deferred
maintenance. And once we receive the taxable value, we'll be
able to determine what that net new taxable value is, which
could, indeed, be the 5 percent in our planning scenario. When I
put together a planning scenario, I put it together very
conservative. The state was -- in July was looking at a
12.3 percent taxable value increase potentially this year. They
don't give us what that increment is, which is how you calculate
the rollback rate.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I understand that. But it
would be my want -- it would be my preference that we utilize
last year's expenses with the allowable year-over-year increases,
and then the increment above that amount is whatever it is once
those taxable values, in fact, come back to us.
MR. JOHNSON: Come in, okay. And I think we're
essentially saying the same thing, because that's what we've
applied, that 3 percent and that 5 percent, to last year's.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. So you're 8 over
what we were last year?
MR. JOHNSON: No. The 3 percent is just for the
operations portion. The 5 percent is just associated with the
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capital portion. So theoretically, it's a mix between the two, so
you have 4 percent. Now, that's really simple math because one
bucket's bigger than the other, but...
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Funny math in public?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yeah, that's good math.
Okay.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: See you Tuesday.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yeah. I was going to
say, we'll talk about it more in depth next week. We don't need
to belabor the point right now.
MR. JOHNSON: We can do that. Happy to -- happy to
put that on paper for you.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner Hall.
COMMISSIONER HALL: Thank you, Chairman.
I appreciate the discussion. This is the third time that I've
been through this, and this is the first time that I don't feel like
I've been -- I'm being told or sold. I feel like you get the
process.
I'm looking forward to Mr. Fabian getting here. I want to
see the real fruit of him. I mean, the pool is great. The ideas
that we had to charge fees, and the first little thing that he had,
that was great, but I really -- I'm anxious to see the real meat of
where we can streamline this government machine. That way
we don't have to focus on revenue; we can include it.
And as far as -- County Manager, as far as the merit pay
thing, you made two words -- you said two words together, and
they're not congruent. You said "merit" and "equitable," and
they're not. You don't have to be equitable with merit.
I think a message to our employees that says, "Listen, if you
come up with a great idea that's going to save the taxpayers
money, we're going to compensate you for it in some way." You
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don't have to define it. I don't know what the legalities are with
human resources, but if that message goes out and everyone
receives that message, then no one can have sour grapes if
someone next to them came up with a great idea and they got
compensated for it and they didn't. Nobody should have sour
grapes. Everybody should understand. So I just wanted to
bring that up and encourage you with that, because I think that's
a -- I think the people that are doing the job know best. They
know where things are wasteful, and they know where things can
be changed. And sometimes we, sitting up here, we don't have
it. We don't have our finger on that pulse, but they do. So I just
wanted to encourage you with that.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. Seeing no other
lights lit up, let's move on to the next item. We have a few
people here from the City of Naples. Perhaps we can take care
of that before we take a break.
MS. PATTERSON: Yes, sir.
Item #11B
AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF NAPLES
FOR THE USE OF BAYVIEW PARK TO REMOVE DEBRIS AS
PART OF THE NAPLES PIER RENOVATION. (JOHN DUNNUCK,
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR - FACILITIES & REDEVELOPMENT) -
MOTION TO APPROVE WITH CHANGES BY COMMISSIONER
HALL; SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL –
APPROVED
MS. PATTERSON: Item 11B is a recommendation to
approve an interlocal agreement with the City of Naples for the
use of Bayview Park to remove debris as part of the Naples Pier
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renovation. Mr. John Dunnuck, your executive director of
Facilities and Redevelopment, is here to present.
MR. MILLER: Do I have the right one, John?
MR. DUNNUCK: No. It should be under 11B. There
you go. Perfect.
Good morning. I've got a brief presentation, and we have
the city staff here available to answer any questions.
Just by a little history lesson, you know, what we sometimes
forget is the Bayview Park was actually donated to the county by
the city. So this is actually a partnership that goes back in time
to the beginning of the park itself.
Today is a recommendation to approve an interlocal
agreement with the City of Naples for the use of Bayview Park to
remove debris as part of the Naples Pier renovation.
Just by way of timeline -- and this is the city's timeline -- in
September of 2022, Hurricane Ian severely damaged the pier. I
think we're all aware of that. The City of Naples in 2023
awarded a design contract to THA Consulting and MHK
Architecture to produce redesigns for the new improved pier. In
October of 2024, the construction contract to Shoreline
Foundation was awarded.
The construction schedule begins with when they finally get
the permits from the Army Corps of Engineers, which they're in
the final stages of doing as we speak right now. The overall
construction's estimated approximately 18 months from
beginning to end.
The request you have before you is for the debris removal
and the demolition portion of the project. There was a lot of
damage that went into the water, and it is actually still on the pier
itself, that they have to remove in order to continue the project.
Bayview Park is the closest location to the actual staging
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area for the removal of the project. And so the kind of contract
outline is the contractor will remove the pier debris, place it on a
barge, they'll take it to Bayview Park and then remove it and take
it to the landfill.
The debris will not be stored at the park location. It will be
sorted there at the park location, but it will be immediately
removed from the park each time that the barge is in place.
Use of Bayview Park is only required for demolition, so
there is no staging area, as I mentioned, and it is the closest
location.
They were asked during the CRA meeting, "What about
Naples Landing? It's a -- you know, it's a location that you
already own." Unfortunately, the barge -- with the size of the
barge and the needs and the distance, it would raise the cost, plus
the barge actually would not fit in the Naples Landing area to
actually remove the material.
And so they came to us for Bayview Park as a request to
utilize -- and I'll walk you through it -- to utilize eight spaces.
It's -- I mention in the executive summary seven. I actually went
out and physically counted. It's actually eight spaces in totality
out there. Operations Monday through Friday, 8 a.m. to 5 p.m.
No weekends or holidays unless authorized by the County
Manager, because there could be a situation where a storm's
coming, and they may say, "Hey, can we get in and do a
Saturday," or something along those lines. We wanted to leave
that flexibility.
The dock will be available when the barge is not docked.
So from the standpoint of when you look at the aerial
picture -- and I have kind of depicted in green and red separate
areas -- the green is areas where they're going to want to fence it
in and keep it enclosed during the period of the project. The red
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is the actual dock area that is utilized by boaters on a day-to-day
basis to stage on and off the ramp. So when the barge isn't there,
the red will be available for the boaters themselves.
The maximum will be two days a week that the barge will
be there, so it won't be there the full five days. It will be a hit or
miss. As they load up the barge, obviously they want to bring it
and remove it and take it back to the pier to keep the project
moving. I think their target, obviously, would get as much done
before hurricane season as possible, you know, assuming they're
going to get the permits in the next month or so.
We asked that the Naples Police provide security if we
asked for that because, as you know, boaters, when they're having
to wait to stage on and off a ramp, sometimes it can get a little
congested and there can be issues, and so we asked that the city
participate in having their boat police there and on site to help us
along the way.
And then operations, we'd monitor it just as necessary. And
this is an important part of the discussion, because, you know,
these are fluid situations. We recognize we just opened
Caxambas. We just closed 951 boat ramp. We don't know
what the full boat-traffic impacts are going to be with the 951
closure.
I can tell you, as the CRA, you know, director, that we
typically don't have overflow parking onto Hamilton Avenue
unless it's a major holiday weekend or it just happens to be one of
those super weekends where everybody's out on their boat
enjoying themselves. So during the weekdays, we very rarely
actually have people using the 34 spaces we have on Hamilton
Avenue.
Community impact. One of the things we wanted to do to
ensure that we addressed all issues, we actually took this to the
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CRA Advisory Board, because Danford Street, we've had a lot of
challenges with Danford Street and the residents there about,
frankly, the activities in Bayview Park, impacts with stormwater,
the road, and all kinds of other issues.
And so we presented this project with the city to the CRA
Advisory Board. They voted 7-0 in support of actually moving
forward with the project. They thought four to six months was
reasonable in terms of use of the park; however, there were some
side conversations that occurred. You know, one was make sure
you monitor the park before and after to make sure if there's any
damages, that we've done that, that we've -- we actually have a
before-and-after scenario that if something were to damage the
area, we would actually have the documentation. So I'm
working with the facilities staff, and we'll make sure that
happens.
They wanted to bring back a sidewalk option to the
Bayshore/Gateway Triangle area as part of the planned Danford
Street maintenance project. We had presented a sidewalk option
on Danford Street several years ago, and the citizens couldn't
agree to which side of the road the sidewalk would actually go
on. So it ended up not moving forward as part of the Hamilton
Avenue project when we did the road, because it stalled because
the citizens couldn't reach consensus. They've asked us to revisit
that issue, and as the CRA, we're happy to do so.
And then address any unauthorized commercial activity in
the park. This has been an ongoing issue in Bayview Park and
one that I'm super, frankly, happy that we've got Tom and Jamie
French kind of leading Parks and Recreation from the standpoint
of enforcement because we haven't had a lot of enforcement in
Bayview Park, and there's a lot of issues there.
And they've been out there, and they've been enforcing in
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the past several weeks, and we're starting to see some
improvements in terms of the unauthorized commercial activity
in the park.
And then one of the things I wanted to point out -- it came
up in the discussion the other day -- was, "Well, how long is the
distance from where we have actually built the overflow 34
spaces along Hamilton to actually walk to the park?" And I
measured it out. It's .6 miles in total. And what we typically do
on any given weekend when they park out there is they walk or a
friend shuttles them back and forth, things along those lines. But
the total distance of the park location, from what we've built as
the overflow parking for Hamilton, is a little over a half a mile.
With that, I've got Bob Middleton, public works director;
Kevin Land with Shoreline; Dan Ohrenstein and Bruce Selfon;
and Todd Turrell from Turrell & Associates, all here to answer
any questions you may have on behalf of the city.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner McDaniel.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yeah. Just one quick
question, and that was, what are the plans for the construction of
the pier itself? The utilization for the demolition is a four- to
six-month period. How are they going to tote the materials they
need to rebuild the --
MR. DUNNUCK: They're going to store -- they could
answer the detail of it, but their plan is to store the foot of the pier
itself on land, and then they'll build the pier as they go out.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I gotcha. Okay. That
was my only -- and, you know, the only other statement that I had
is this ongoing monitoring that we're alleging that we're, in fact,
going to do. It's imperative that we do do that. That ramp gets
used a lot. Especially with the closure of 951, it's going to even
get used more.
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MR. DUNNUCK: Trust me, I have a lot of volunteer
monitors on Danford Street.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner Kowal.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Thank you, Chairman.
You know, we have talked -- we've talked, John, and I've
actually talked to Mr. Middleton, you know, in reference to this
project. This is in my district. You know, I was being told it
was seven spots. Now I believe you said you confirmed it's
eight.
MR. DUNNUCK: (Nods head.)
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: And two of those are
handicapped, which were the only two handicapped boat -- or
trailer-sized parking spots in that area.
So -- and I've thrown this out. And I don't know if it's that
much of an ask, but at minimum -- you know, I know during the
week we haven't seen utilization of all the spots being used. But,
you know, kind of the handicap are a game changer to the fact
that on the weekends, when we do have an excessive amount of
people using that park to launch boats, you know, I've
recommended that if -- I don't believe it's that much of a reach,
but maybe to improvise some sort of shuttle service instead of
having -- especially a handicapped person going to park their
boat three-quarters of a mile away from where they just launched
it to park their trailer.
So, you know, I don't know if that -- it's a possible -- that
could be a possible ask for them to provide that service at least.
We'll gauge it, see if it's, you know, necessary through the whole
time.
And I guess the second question is you mentioned -- you
showed the red area on your little map on there in reference to
sometimes people stage a boat to the north side of the launch.
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That doesn't necessarily mean when the barge is there, they're not
going to be able to still launch and go to the south and stage
along that pier area?
MR. DUNNUCK: Correct, correct. They'll be able to use
the south at all times.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Because I don't want to
make it sound like those two days out of the week there's no
launching.
MR. DUNNUCK: No, no. The south will be accessible
the whole time.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Okay.
MR. DUNNUCK: And with respect to the handicapped
accessibility, we will move those to appropriate slips near the
ramp. Brian and I have had conversations in facilities about
whether we actually need to put impervious asphalt down in the
short-term or whether we can still meet the code short-term with
the hard gravel that we currently have in terms of dealing with
that. So we're looking to site that. I think the city has agreed
that they will pay for that on a temporary basis, because it's not
going to be a lot of cost. But we will relocate the handicapped
accessible.
And one of the other things was law enforcement. You
know, of those eight, one's a law enforcement dedicated spot as
well for launching. We will relocate that as well nearby.
So we kind of have a plan in place for all of it. But, you
know, to the point of the shuttle service discussion, I think we
agree it's a wait-and-see thing, but I think they're agreeable to do
it when we need to do it, but I'll have them come up and confirm
that. I think it's just a matter of monitoring and not putting out
there for days that there's going to be no activity.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Because you know as well
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as I know, there's been some entrepreneurs in the neighborhood --
MR. DUNNUCK: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: -- that will charge people
five bucks to give them a ride back -- or give them a ride down to
the park, and to me that's --
MR. DUNNUCK: Oh, yeah.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: -- you know,
that's -- taxpayers' dollars pay for that park. Nobody should
have to pay somebody to drive them down to the park, you know.
MR. DUNNUCK: Yep.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: That's capitalism.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Well, it may be, but it's
confusing sometimes when people, oh, I've got to pay this $5 to
get a ride on a golf cart, you know, so...
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Good point.
Commissioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Thank you, sir.
I realize every project's different, but I just wanted to make
this one note. I had something similar in District 1 where we
used the base of the Jolley Bridge as sort of, like, a lay-down
area, and then, of course, you know, the barge was going to come
and pick up debris that that area's being used for from
construction sites of things that were being torn down. So it's
sort of a similar situation. It sounds like this is well coordinated.
But, you know, I'll just make this one notation. A big
problem that we had in my district was, you know, the debris
would be dropped off, and the barge that was supposed to, you
know, come the next day, many times didn't. And so, you know,
you have people that are staring at that garbage for, you know,
weeks and whatnot.
So, you know, just my only suggestion is, you know, the
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barge people and the debris drop-off people are usually two
totally different companies, or at least it was in my division -- or
in my district. That was the thing we had to tighten. And then
when we did, it was, you know, don't drop off the debris unless
the barge is on the way or it's already there. And especially in
this highly concentrated area, you know, these are citizens that,
you know, are staring at all that -- all that junk waiting for the
barge to show up. So that coordination is critical, as you well
know.
We didn't get it right in my district years ago, and then, you
know, we worked hard to really fix that, so...
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. We do have some
representatives of the city here. I don't know if we need to ask
them any questions. Any desire to speak to those folks?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Any registered speakers other
than the representatives from the city?
MR. MILLER: No.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. Then we need a
motion on the interlocal agreement.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Chairman, should we make
sure that language is in there, if we monitor this and it becomes
an issue, that we will visit the idea of a possible shuttle being
provided to get people to and from the parking lot?
MR. DUNNUCK: We can certainly add that language.
We have general language that talks about monitoring and
revisiting the issues together as a group.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Why don't you clarify --
MR. DUNNUCK: But if we get somebody on the record,
you know, maybe from the city to agree that they will, you know,
provide the shuttle service if we deem necessary.
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CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Yeah. Why don't you go
ahead and clarify that point. And -- yes, sir.
MR. MIDDLETON: Good morning, Mr. Chairman,
Commissioners. Bob Middleton, Public Works director.
Part of the agreement is that, you know, we will work
together on this, specifically the language is the City Manager
and County Manager. We know this is going to be a fluid thing.
Things will change.
What I wanted to point out is there's probably going to
be -- depending on when the project starts, there will be several
holidays that are affected there. You know, we want to try to
determine what that demand is going to be during specifically
those holidays. And there may be steps that we have to take.
I'm not going to -- I don't want to sit here and tell you what we're
going to do right now, but there's probably some options that we
have open. You know -- you know, we may demobilize the area
for a certain holiday. Don't want to do that because that just
adds cost to the project.
But the language changes that we just discussed, I don't
think there's a problem with putting it in there. I just don't want
to put anything in there specifically to any things that we may do
at this time. I'd rather us determine that as they're required.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Okay. Let me suggest that
you put some clarification language in there that there may be
changes such as the requirement for a shuttle. I'd also ask that
you have periodic reports back to the Commission.
MR. MIDDLETON: Absolutely.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: You know, maybe once a
month, once every six weeks. I know this is a four- to six-month
project, but keep us informed, and if there are issues, then we'll
deal with them.
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MR. MIDDLETON: Be happy to do so.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. Anything else from
the Board? Commissioner Hall.
COMMISSIONER HALL: Thank you, Chairman.
I do realize that this is a good -- this is a feel-good
partnership with us and the city, and it's something that's going to
be necessary. It's also taxpayers' money for those slips and those
spots that we're taking up. So I think the overall good in my
mind is worth it.
As far as the debris, there's always room at the rock crusher
plant now that that's cleaned up.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: It's a little far away.
COMMISSIONER HALL: But, no, I will -- I will -- if
there's no other further discussion, I'll make a motion to pass the
interlocal agreement.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: And can I just clarify
something --
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner Kowal.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: -- because I know
Commissioner LoCastro brought up a good point. But it's kind
of the opposite of what we're doing here. Our debris' coming in
on the barge, so no debris will be on the land because it doesn't
exist until the barge gets there. So the debris comes off the
barge and gets loaded right on the trucks.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yeah. So you've got to
have the trucks, like, imminent, in a way.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Yeah. So what's more than
likely, the trucks are probably a different contract, but that I'm
sure will --
MR. MIDDLETON: I'll speak for the contractor. He has
coordination with not only the barge but for the trucks that are
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there that will haul the material off. They have to be there at the
same time because we can't store material there. He doesn't
want to handle that material twice; in other words, take it off the
barge, set it on the ground, pick it up, or do extra work for it.
So it's got to happen all at the same time, and I think the
contractors will do that.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: I just wanted clarification for
the citizens out there listening that that's what we talked about
how it's going to operate --
MR. MIDDLETON: Right.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: -- so they don't get the idea
we're storing anything on them spots there, so...
All right. Thank you, Chairman.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. We have a motion.
Do we have a second?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Second.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Second.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. We have a motion
and second. If there's no further discussion, all in favor, signify
by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: It passes unanimously.
MR. MIDDLETON: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Why don't we come back at
11 o'clock. We'll take a little bit of a break here, and we'll finish
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up pretty quickly. So we're in recess until 11.
(A brief recess was had from 10:38 a.m. to 11:00 a.m.)
MS. PATTERSON: Chair, you have a live mic.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Thank you. We will
reconvene the meeting.
I believe we're on Item 11B, if I'm not mistaken.
Item #11C
THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN AGREEMENT #LHTF 25-01 WITH
HOUSING DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION OF SW FLORIDA,
INC. D/B/A/ HELP IN THE AMOUNT OF $50,000 TO OPERATE
AND ADMINISTER THE COLLIER COUNTY COMMUNITY
LAND TRUST (CCCLT) (PER COMMISSIONERS MCDANIEL’S
REQUEST) - MOTION TO CONTINUE TO A FUTURE MEETING
BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL; SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER HALL – APPROVED
MS. PATTERSON: We are at Item 11C.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: I mean C.
MS. PATTERSON: Yes. That is formerly 16D7, is a
recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign
Agreement LHTF 25-01 with Housing Development Corporation
of Southwest Florida, Inc., doing business as HELP, in the
amount of $50,000 to operate and administer the Collier County
Community Land Trust.
Ms. Kristi Sonntag, your director of Human -- Housing and
Human Services?
MS. SONNTAG: Community.
MS. PATTERSON: Community and Human Services -- I
can't ever get that right -- sorry, Kristi -- is here to present or
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answer questions. This item was moved at Commissioner
McDaniel's request.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner McDaniel, do
you have any specific questions you want to be addressed, or do
you want a presentation? Both?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, I have questions.
That's the reason I pulled the agenda item. But if -- how do you
wish to --
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Well, why don't you give us a
brief presentation, and then we'll get into Commissioner
McDaniel's questions.
MS. SONNTAG: Sure. For the record, Kristi Sonntag,
Community and Human Services director.
The item before you today is the agreement with the Collier
County Community Land Trust to perform affordable housing
related activities to foster the development of affordable housing
in the amount of $50,000.
So the Land Trust originated from the 2017 Urban Land
Institute study that was completed. In 2018 -- in April of 2018,
the Board established a local housing fund, and then in 2019, the
Board approved the policy and the work scope, et cetera, for that
housing fund.
In addition, on that same day, RFP 19-557 was approved in
the amount of $100,000 to award to HELP for the Collier County
Community Land Trust.
So a community land trust is a not-for-profit organization
that has its own board, and the goals of the land trust are for
long-term housing affordability and to create permanent
affordable rental and homeownership for low- to
moderate-income persons.
The Collier County Community Land Trust was certified in
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2021 by the Land Trust Institute, which is backed by Freddie
Mac.
So how did we get here? In -- several years ago, there was
a competitive solicitation by Community and Human Services at
which the Land Trust applied for funding. The review and
ranking committee approved the application conditionally, and
the agreement over the last several years was worked on,
developed, and where we're at now is there are five activities
associated with this agreement. They include to prepare a plan
to address commercial and mixed-use developments, submit
grant and tax credit applications to support the construction of
affordable housing, submit grant applications on behalf of the
Community Land Trust to support their own operating costs, they
are to provide quarterly and yearly financial statements, as well
as conduct outreach events, and they are to engage in the
development of one new affordable housing development.
And with that, the recommendation is to approve the
agreement for 50,000, and Mr. Puchalla from the Land Trust is
here. And I'll take any questions.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. Do you want to
hear from the Land Trust before we get into questions?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That's up to you.
However you wish to proceed, sir.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Well, why don't we have you
come on up, tell us real quickly about the Land Trust and how
this will work.
MR. PUCHALLA: I absolutely will. For the record,
Michael Puchalla. I serve as executive director of both HELP,
which is a HUD-approved counseling agency, and the Collier
County Community Land Trust. We have a management
agreement that HELP manages, so I provide that service to both
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organizations.
So we have the flexibility and some operational efficiencies
because it is two affiliated organizations, although they're
managed separately, managed with separate boards of directors.
But that allows us to pivot.
And so, obviously, from 2022 to now, we've had a lot of
focus in on helping with other programs related to COVID, with
Hurricane Ian.
So now we are in a position we're working on a couple of
joint venture partnerships that I think will dovetail very well with
this operating support to move forward and help to bring physical
development of housing that is affordable, and it's kind of -- one
of which is very exciting is a "build to rent to own," which is a
hybrid rental that evolves into homeownership. That partnership
is about to be materialized and move forward.
So excited to answer any questions you might have, and I
appreciate any support.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner McDaniel.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. Well, with all due
respect to the organization, I'm not pleased with this -- with this
grant. This is a private not-for-profit organization that
theoretically intercedes between the government, between the
county, and affording -- affordable housing developers; is that
correct?
MS. SONNTAG: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. Will you go back
to the slide that shows the -- that one. We already do all of these
things at the county. We assist developers for submission of
grants. When I read the executive summary, everything that
was -- that was being provided by this private not-for-profit
organization is already being performed by our county staff, by
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our -- and state staff with regard to housing affordability, and I
didn't -- I didn't see a rationale for this grant to be bequeathed.
So my question -- two questions that I have for you is,
number one, is this grant request time-sensitive? Does it have to
be approved today?
MS. SONNTAG: Absolutely not.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. Number one.
Number two, I would then like to move that it's continued and we
tighten up the language within this agreement so that it's not as
global with specifics. And we don't need to belabor the point
today since we're -- if it's the will of the Board to continue this
item.
I would like to know -- I have an issue with the name of this
organization in the first place. This organization was named
after Collier County as a land trust, and it's not a Collier County
organization. This is an NGO. And so I would like a list of the
submission of the grant proposals that they have secured. I
would like a list of the projects and operations that they're
actually working with and effectuating. Have they provided the
quarterly reports and the financial statements that are requisite for
them to even be participatory in this? And I'd like to see those
things before this goes forward, if it goes forward.
So if it meets with your pleasure, Mr. Chair, I'd like to move
to continue the item.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Ms. Sonntag, how much time
do you think you would need to meet with Commissioner
McDaniel and get the information or make the changes that he's
suggesting? Do you need -- is the first meeting in March enough
time, or do we need to go to the second meeting in March?
MS. SONNTAG: No. I could meet with him before then,
sure. No problem.
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CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Okay. I want to make sure
that you're not -- you have plenty of time.
MS. SONNTAG: Oh, yeah. I do, absolutely. I would
just need to get some information from Mr. Puchalla on the list of
activities he's done, but the financials, I already have those
in-house, and the list of grants that he's received, some I know,
but I would have to get the rest from him, so...
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner McDaniel, first
meeting in March?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It's irrelevant to me when
it comes back. I just want that documentation.
And I also would like to see, if it's not already in the actual
agreement with regard to the grant, specifics that can be tracked
with regard to the expense. I don't want it just dumped into the
operating account for this NGO and then not having -- not having
trackable measurables and milestones.
MS. SONNTAG: Yes, sir. The five activities up there do
have fees associated with those activities. So if Mr. Puchalla
and the Land Trust didn't deliver a plan on commercial mixed-use
development, we wouldn't pay them.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay.
MS. SONNTAG: Yeah.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. Why don't
we -- why don't we go ahead and continue this to the next
meeting, if it's acceptable.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That's fine.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: We need a motion and a
second --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Do you want to
specify -- do you want to specify the next meeting or just
continue it until we're ready to bring it back?
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MS. SONNTAG: That's fine.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I mean, there's no time
constraint on this grant application. So I'm okay. Because
if -- I've been -- contrary to the dumb look on my face, we've had
a couple of really light meetings, Board meetings, county
commission meetings, and I have a sneaking suspicion that things
are piling up over here.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Well, that's one of the reasons
why I thought we could go ahead and take care of this. But we'll
continue it to whenever you want it continued.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, it's irrelevant when
it comes back. If next meeting's fine, that's fine, I don't care, or
the following. Just continue the item until we have that ready.
MS. SONNTAG: Absolutely.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: We have a motion to continue
this generally.
COMMISSIONER HALL: Second.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: We have a second.
Commissioner Hall is seconding the motion.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: I was lit up, but that's okay.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: And if the motion passes,
you'll bring it back when you're ready to bring it back.
MS. SONNTAG: Yes.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner Kowal, do you
have a comment?
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: I was just going to -- I just
wanted to go on the record. I don't really have an issue with the
name of the organization. I mean, we've got several
organizations here in Collier County that use Collier that are
nongovernment organizations. I mean, Collier's just basically
the founding family of this county that -- you know, that brought
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this place forward.
So they're not calling theirself "Collier County Community
Land Trust." So I mean, I just want to go on the record, I don't
think that's too much of an issue that's, you know, break or make
me on this subject.
But yeah, I look forward to maybe getting a little bit deeper
dive and getting back to it next meeting, so...
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. We have a motion
and a second to continue this, and you'll bring it back when
you're ready, which could be the next meeting.
All in favor, signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: It passes unanimously.
MS. SONNTAG: Thank you.
Item #15A
PUBLIC COMMENTS ON GENERAL TOPICS NOT ON THE
CURRENT OR FUTURE AGENDA BY INDIVIDUALS NOT
ALREADY HEARD DURING PREVIOUS PUBLIC
COMMENTS IN THIS MEETING
MS. PATTERSON: Commissioners, that brings us to
Item 15A, public comments on general topics not on the current
or future agenda by individuals not already heard during previous
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public comments in this meeting.
MR. MILLER: We have no one registered to speak at this
time.
MS. PATTERSON: All right. Very good. You guys
coming up?
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Did Vanessa Vairo --
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: EMS person?
MS. PATTERSON: No. So we'll reschedule her for
another meeting.
Item #15B
STAFF PROJECT UPDATES
MS. PATTERSON: Item 15B, staff project updates. This
may be a good time to invite our Parks and Rec folks up to give
an update on Sun-N-Fun.
MR. HANRAHAN: Oh, sorry, boss.
MR. FRENCH: No, no. It's all good. I just wanted to
introduce the team involved. Unfortunately, many of them can't
be here.
For the record, I'm Jamie French, department head for
Growth Management and Community Development.
This group was -- Parks and Recreation was reassigned to
the already established Growth Management/Community
Development, so now we're Growth Management and
Community Development on around the first of October.
As such, one of our -- one of our early-on directives was to
get this water park assessed and reevaluated. So we've looked a
little beyond just the water park, but we've looked at the entire
North Collier Regional Park facility, to include our softball, our
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soccer complexes, our food commissaries, the expo hall, as well
as the associated kitchens that are there, and, of course,
Sun-N-Fun.
We've worked in collaboration with our partners at Facilities
Management. Brian DeLony, as I said last week, has been a
tremendous addition to lead that group with Facilities
Management and just long-term friend and really a great
colleague to work with, he and his team.
Along with that, we've utilized a lot of our resources that we
already had established within Growth Management. Jean
Benoit, David Morino, Evelyn Trimino all -- that are there at the
park right now probably working.
But we just wanted to bring you an update, so I think
Mr. Hanrahan's going to kick us off. He is your interim Parks
and Recreation director.
I apologize, Rob Stoneburner seems to be calling me, so I'm
going to take his call and let these folks get back at it. Your Tax
Collector seems to find it funny every time I'm at this podium, so
he calls me.
So thank you, Rob. Appreciate that.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. Thank you.
MR. HANRAHAN: Thank you, Jamie.
James Hanrahan, interim division director for Parks and
Recreation.
Going -- we will be going over the update for Sun-N-Fun.
Jaime Cook, as well as Brian DeLony, will be assisting with this
presentation as well. This has been a truly collaborative effort
between many divisions.
I want to thank, as Jamie mentioned, Growth Management,
but specifically Parks and Rec; Redevelopment Review; Building
Plan review; Operations Regulatory Management; the finance
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team; Public Utilities, which included Water, Wastewater, Solid
Waste, Transportation, specifically Road Maintenance; Facility
Management; and OMB. It has truly been a collaborative effort
between all of the divisions and departments within the county.
As he mentioned before -- he took a couple of names. I
was going to thank just the boots on the ground, Jean Benoit,
James Williams, and Eric Short for having their staff working
nights, weekends, and even the holidays.
So this is an aerial view of the park that was taken last
Friday, and I just wanted to hit on several areas of the park. This
is the activity pool. We call it the pirate cove. It had work done
three years ago, so it's still in great shape and looks good. This
is the baby pool or kiddie pool area, very shallow water. It has a
pirate theme as well that you will see a lot of families with young
kids in the area.
This is the family pool. If you remember from back in the
day, it had an island in the middle. The island was taken out
almost two years ago, and it expanded the size of the pool,
including a sundeck.
This is the dive well where you have two diving boards.
And I'm going to go over the update as far as that work in a
couple of slides. And you have two lap lanes as well as the
slides. You have four that lead into this catch pool here as well
as one that leads into the lazy river, and the lazy river which goes
around the facility here.
I do want to update, the main reason -- as Facilities
mentioned back when we had the talk about the closure, this is
Pump House 1. Think of this as the heart of all of our
operations, and this is where a substantial amount of work was
done to get all of this to work. So in order for these pools to be
clean and safely filtered, this is where the work had to be done.
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And then I also wanted to show that this is a concession area.
Jamie French and Ahmed, who's come over from the
accelerator, we are working along with Cormac Giblin to do an
ITN for concessions in that area. So I was with Procurement this
past week entertaining the people that are interested in that.
So one of the main things that we had to address were the
stair towers. And if you look here, there was previously several
joints and bolts, along with the stairs, that were severely corroded
and rusted. We were in violation of state requirements for
slides -- for the slide towers, and these repairs were critical to
being able to use the stairs. So if you see here what it used to
look like and the repairs that have happened.
Brian DeLony was -- and his team was there almost every
single day making sure that we were able to have these stairs.
Some kudos to him. Kudos to the contractor of understanding
our timeline and getting it done.
The lazy river, we had the contractor come in and acid wash
the entire lazy river. This is what it looked like even just a week
and a half ago. And then when -- you see the difference now,
night and day.
So the slides, paint that was previously installed in 2021 was
already chipping, and so we had a company come in. I actually
got a chance to meet with the company. They were from
Missouri. They were very excited to come down and work.
Brought a crew. I have not seen when you bring that many
people to get something done, but they understood what we
needed done, and they knocked it out fairly quickly.
So just so you know, the paint was removed, and all slides
were gel coated for protection of the slides as well as our patrons.
If you've ever gone down a slide and it's not taken care of, you'll
have those red marks on your back. We shouldn't have those red
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marks on our back when we go down these slides, Commissioner
McDaniel.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I don't go down those
slides.
MR. HANRAHAN: Once again, what I mentioned about
Pump House No. 1, this is where we had to do a lot of the work.
All new recirculation pumps were installed on all six pools.
This included installation of VFDs, which are variable frequency
drives, to assist with regulating the flow and new piping to
connect to existing filters.
Painting, if you can look here, before the painting had -- the
paint around the amenities had kind of faded. Facilities came in.
James Williams' team came in and painted around all of the
amenities.
And then if you look at the concession building, this is
something that people notice, and it pops immediately when we
were doing the ITN, was -- this was before, and this is the epoxy
flooring that went down. So wonderful renovations there.
This is a breakdown of what we've completed thus far.
Pump houses; restoration of the slide tower; restoration of the
slides; the concrete cracks and joint sealing; lazy river, as I
mentioned; concession flooring; landscaping.
And the projects to be completed after we open up for spring
break -- okay. These will be also before we open as well.
Thank you, Jaime. Bathroom door frames; Pump House No. 1;
geothermal, which Symbion is the company. They have applied
for their permits; pool deck lighting; diving boards, which the
diving boards will be in tomorrow and replaced by March 4th.
And the other projects that I mentioned are critical but not -- I
mean, they're not critical to opening, so we'll be able to open
even if those projects are not done.
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I am going to pass it on to Jaime Cook, and she will discuss
the permitting and inspection status.
MS. COOK: Good afternoon, Commissioners.
Morning -- sorry. Jaime Cook, your director of Development
Review.
I was asked to come in in October and help with a lot of the
capital projects in parks, which is where my involvement has
mostly been. And I'm going to talk about some of the permitting
and inspections that will be completed prior to opening next -- by
the end of next week.
So first the Florida Department of Health/Environmental
Health regulates all commercial swimming pools in the state of
Florida. James spoke to the new pumps that have been installed
for all six of the pools that will be opened, and we received
permit approval to move forward with the recirculation pumps
with the state on February 14th.
We have been working very collaboratively with the
Department of Health. They've been out on site a couple of
times, and we have the opening inspection schedule for
Thursday.
As James mentioned, the diving boards won't be completely
installed until next week. So we've already spoken to them, and
they have on their schedule to come out midweek next week to
make sure that the diving boards have been installed as well.
The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services
Division of Fair Rides is who regulates the slides in the state of
Florida. They regulate all water amusement rides. We have an
inspection scheduled with them on March 3rd.
The way the slide inspections work is typically they have
independent contractors who do an initial inspection and then
will provide a report to the Division of Fair Rides. That
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inspector has been out on site multiple times since December and
has been very pleased with the work that has been done so far,
so -- some of the pictures that James showed you earlier. So we
fully expect that this inspection will pass, and we will be able to
use those slides next week.
And, of course, Building Plan Review and Inspections
permitting through Collier County is also required.
So there are several open permits. For the pumps and
exhaust fans, those inspections have commenced, and the fans are
expected to be installed by early next week. So as long as those
have been installed, we will be able to have that inspection
finaled as well.
The stair tower, the inspections have commenced; however,
we do have a section of the stairs that Brian is going to speak to
shortly that do need to be replaced. There's a
temporary -- temporary solution in place currently. So that
permit won't be finaled until sometime in April or May.
And then the fence repairs and gate installations that have
been done, those -- that permit has already been finaled. And
again, I know James spoke to it, but we really would like to thank
Dr. George's team for all of the work that they did installing
VFDs with the pumps. They showed up with a temporary meter
so we could get the lazy river, which is 300,000 gallons, filled
within two days. So we thank them for all of their time.
And I'd like to turn it over to Brian at this point to talk about
the projects that will be done both after spring break as well as
next fall.
Thank you.
MR. DeLONY: Good morning, Brian DeLony, Facilities
director.
I'll go over the projects that are going to be done after spring
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break, before summer opening, and then after summer.
So some of the main projects we have is the lazy river main
drains. This actually went before you-all back in February. So
this will be updating the main drains and the structure associated
with the main drain to current state standards to keep people from
being -- actually being able to be sucked down and held down
under water with those drains.
Slide pool drains, same thing. This one will be actually
coming to you-all here in March for the contract award for
construction. Again, updating those drains. Previously those
drains were leaking. We had done some -- we had done
temporary repairs on those drains, but this is to go in there and
make it so we shouldn't have any future issues with them
replacing the Fiberglass with concrete.
On the concrete pathways, the pathway behind the slide, the
south side of the slide, between that and the Rec Plex is in need
to be replaced based on all the activities we've had out of there.
We're also going to be updating that to a thicker concrete slab so
that we can, in the future, have maintenance activities occur back
there.
We're also going to add a little pathway to one of the
mechanical rooms associated with the Rec Plex.
On the slide tower, there's a set of stairs at the bottom of it,
and in the future hopefully all the stairs, that we intend on
replacing. Currently, the construction of the stairs are basically
welded in steel for the concrete step poured on them. This
creates several issues. It's a maintenance issue. There's a lip
associated with the metal, and as the paint ages, it flakes, and it
creates actually a sharp edge. So you'll see, when these open up,
we're going to have tape all the way up on every single stair, and
that's really to keep that edge from coming loose even though it's
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new paint, but it's to protect that edge.
So in the future, on these bottom flight of stairs, we're
actually cutting out all the metal, we're putting in areas where we
can bolt in hot dipped galvanized steel, and we're replacing it
with Fiberglass treads so in the future it will be much easier to
maintain, much safer. This is currently how all our other slides
are constructed.
On the other steps we'll be actually cutting down that metal
edge so it won't be up as high so the top part, when you step on it,
will be concrete, so you shouldn't have the same issue with the
paint delamination. But the hope is in the future that we can
continue to replace flights of stairs every year as we shut down as
part of a maintenance activity.
LED lighting, this is just a replacement of the fluorescent
lights within the pump houses to LEDs to provide additional
lighting and more energy efficiency within the pump houses.
Going on to post summer activities, we have currently
in -- or finishing design and permitting is the interactive water
feature. That's that center blue area that you see at the park.
There's two large basins associated with that that were
constructed of Fiberglass that excessively leak at this point, and
that's why the activity's not open. The idea here is to change it
out from an interactive water feature to a splash pad, an
interactive splash pad like we have at some of our other parks.
That would enable us to actually reduce the size of the basins and
replace them with concrete basins.
The chemical storage area, this is over behind Pump House
1. It's extremely deteriorated from the years of use. So this is
to go in there and actually replace it and upgrade it to provide
additional secondary containment, and then also to provide shade
structure back there since a majority of our chemical feed pumps
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along with our chemicals are stored back there, so to get them out
of direct rain and sunlight.
The dive well renovation, that's going back to that dive pool,
is to re-Marcite that pool, so just to replace all the Marcite in that
pool.
The wading pool renovation, that includes re-Marciting,
retiling, and redoing of the grading around that pool.
And then that lazy river, the bonding replacement. If
you've ever seen the lazy river or heard complaints about the lazy
river having leaves in it, this is the reason why the lazy river has
leaves in it, because we can't fill it all the way. We actually keep
it about a foot, foot and a half down, because if we fill it all the
way, that bond beam leaks.
So this is to go in there and rip out about two feet of the
entire pool -- or entire feature all the way around and then rebuild
that back up and replacing, you know, the tiling, re-Marciting,
and then the piping all associated with that.
That's all I've got. Any questions?
COMMISSIONER HALL: Comment.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner Hall.
COMMISSIONER HALL: First of all, I want to commend
staff for the job that they've done to get this -- I've been the one
cracking the whip to get this open by spring break. This park
was -- it wasn't dead, but it was bleeding at the jugular, and it was
quickly dying. I mean, it was quickly going to die.
And for what we've accomplished to this date is remarkable.
I wouldn't take any excuses. And they've put up with me, and
they've met the challenge. I mean, from Dr. George's team to
permitting to the Clerk's Office to work with us. I said, "Get it
done, and we'll ask questions later," and you've done an amazing
job.
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And I know that there's -- it seems like it's a lot of money. I
did meet with the Hunden Group, the group that you have to do a
study to be able to spend money, and they're fully behind this
project to show that it draws tourism, and we'll be paying for a lot
of this with actual tourism dollars, so that's coming out of your
capital funds or our general budgets. So hopefully it's going to
be paid for.
I was kind of shocked to see the $5 million project for the
lazy river. Hopefully we can get some minds together to where
we can get that done to where it's not going to be that much
money. I'm choking.
Anyway, I just wanted to commend you. I'm looking
forward to this project being open.
It's -- it was neglected for years with no plan for
maintenance, no plan for life. And we've actually completely
redone this thing with that maintenance in mind, with that
long-term keep so that we don't face this same issue another 20
years from now. I think 20 years from now, with the plan that
we have going forward, it will still look like a semi-new facility,
well taken care of, and well used by the community. So I just
want to say thank you.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner McDaniel.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. And just -- and
that -- you know, the lazy river has been a huge issue with this
facility not working, an enormous amount of repairs. Do we
have to replace that?
MR. FRENCH: Commissioner, we will certainly value
engineer this the best we can to kind of patch the holes, but there
has been an independent study done. We recognize that around
the coping, one of the things that we found is that even when this
was constructed, it probably did not have good CEI, construction,
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engineering, inspection, going on. No good owner's
representation like we've seen from the regulatory side in the
private sector to ensure that things are built correctly. We even
saw it with the slide tower.
So this park is 20 years old. So the errors and omissions
are -- we're way past that time. So this is just something through
not properly maintaining it over the years, making -- and,
Commissioner Hall, I've referred to it as looking abandoned when
I got there. It wasn't even primitive. But at the end of the day,
it is something that it's going to continue to erode. It is
something that is going to continue to need repair unless it's
addressed.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So that didn't answer my
question.
MR. FRENCH: A repair is required, sir.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. And just -- and
there's no argument that a repair is required. But the question is,
do we have to have it? I mean, it started off with faulty
construction. I remember when they built it 20-years-ago-plus,
it was poorly constructed in the first place. And I'm concerned
that -- because of the expense totals that were in there, that's
another $5 million expenses associated with this amenity. Is it
requisite that we do, in fact, repair it/replace it?
MR. FRENCH: Sir, it's a feature. If the Board's direction
was to remove the feature and to think of something different, we
would certainly do that, but at this point we're simply providing
you with what those costs would be to repair what's currently
there.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. I'd like for us to
have that discussion at some particular stage just to find out
whether the relevancy of the expense is warranted.
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MR. FRENCH: As would we, sir.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: That's a very good point.
And, Commissioner Hall, you're closer to this than anybody else.
And that's one of the questions, I think, that we've all pondered is
are there some amenities that just don't need to be in some of
these water facilities. The lazy river may be one of those.
That's just a question. Perhaps you could evaluate that and let us
know. That's going to be coming back in the summertime for
contract. Is that -- did I see that correctly?
MR. FRENCH: For the lazy river, that would be on a
future agenda that we would be seeking funding for that.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. So why don't
we -- why don't we spend a little bit of time, Commissioner Hall,
and, you know, kind of get an idea of how many people in the
past have used it. Has it been really well utilized, and do we
really need it? You've got so many other water features there.
It seems like that's just an addition that may not be worth the
5 million to --
COMMISSIONER HALL: Lazy river necessity, I got it.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. Any
other -- Commissioner Kowal?
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Thank you, Chairman.
I guess it all comes down to numbers, raw numbers, right?
We can't -- we've can't leave a giant trench around all those pools.
It's a hazard. So I mean, it would cost us money to demo it and
backfill it and whatever other landscaping we'd have to do. So
we'd have to weigh that against repairing it and having it versus
the cost to get rid of it because it would -- I don't think anybody
would allow it to exist empty like that, I mean, because it would
be a danger for our citizens.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: It would definitely have to be
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filled in if we didn't use it.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Yeah. I mean, it also all
comes down to the actual nuts and bolts of what's economically
more --
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Good. Maybe that would be
a good location for a butterfly garden out there.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: But I must confess, I have
used that lazy river because I am lazy at times.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner Hall.
COMMISSIONER HALL: I just want to -- this is going to
be a good time to determine if the lazy river's going to be an
actual, you know, feature that people are going to enjoy. It's
been down for so long, people have kind of gotten used to not
having it. But now that it's going to be up, we'll see how much it
is filled up, how much it's utilized. And, you know, we can
just -- along with the discussion ourselves, we can just ask the
people, you know, how important is it to you.
To me Sun-N-Fun is the slides. And I'm so tickled that
those are going to be open. And I'm going to go to the top and
scream like a girl, too.
MR. FRENCH: Sir, if I could, just once more, it's not
beyond thanking of these families, because I can tell you on
Christmas Eve and Christmas Day I was there, and I was there
with crews. It's the families that support our colleagues, that
sacrifice their time and their holiday to have them working over
the holidays. And I can tell you I've been there, much like the
Paradise Sports Complex, I'm there on nights and weekends.
And I'm -- you know, whether I'm helping clean a bathroom
or clean out a drain, we're walking this site. You've really -- I
would -- I am so blessed and so pleased to be able to work with
these colleagues. They have really stepped up. So thank you
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for your support. I certainly thank the County Manager for not
really -- much like you, Commissioner Hall, this was a gravity
issue, as I like to refer to them. You can't fight it. So it's
just -- it is what it is.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner Hall, do you
have anything else?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. Thank you.
MR. FRENCH: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Well done. Now take a quick
look at that slide over at the Golden Gate Park. There's been a
sign up that says the stairwell is under repair. That's been up
with there, I think, for two years.
MS. COOK: So, Commissioner, I'll speak to that one real
quick for you. Next Monday when we have the inspector out for
Sun-N-Fun, they are then heading to Golden Gate to look at your
slide tower with the intent to have that open for spring break as
well.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Wonderful.
MS. COOK: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right.
Ms. Patterson, anything else from your end there?
MS. PATTERSON: No, Commissioners.
Item #15C
STAFF AND COMMISSION GENERAL COMMUNICATIONS
MS. PATTERSON: That brings us to Item 15C, staff and
commission general communications. As we discussed, the
workshop is Tuesday, March 4th. We have several topics that
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we'll be covering.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Could you -- just for the
public, could you let us -- could you recite what those topics will
be?
MS. PATTERSON: Yes, sir. Also I'll also tell you the
order of their appearance.
So first thing 9 a.m., we'll be talking about Clam Pass. We
will have representatives from Pelican Bay here to discuss that,
as previously requested by the Board. That will be followed by
Solid Waste and all things trash. So a comprehensive discussion
on solid waste in Collier County with Dr. George and his team.
And then we'll close it down with a combination of strategic
planning, ResourceX, and budget, as we touched upon a little bit
today. We'll go a little deeper into that, and Mr. Fabian will be
here from ResourceX.
We're still looking for a date -- we were supposed to
hear -- have a mental health workshop the same day. We're still
looking for a date that works for our partners on that, and I'll keep
you posted. That may end up being, if we have another light
day, an afternoon session, if we can -- if we can make that work
on a Board day.
Other than that, yes, we also will be looking for a date for an
AUIR workshop, as asked by the Board.
And lastly, just for the record, there has been some
information circuiting about -- causing some concern to the
public about the state of EMS and privatization. Just wanted to
put on the record that there is no intent to privatize EMS. We're
not trying to hand our EMS service off to a private company or
anything like that.
There have been discussions, appropriately so, about our
MedFlight simply because we're having -- this is one of those
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areas we're having a very difficult time hiring helicopter
mechanics. Without a helicopter mechanic, you have no
helicopter.
So we did have a great meeting with the MedFlight folks
last week with a strategy to look at not only recruiting
helicopter -- trained helicopter mechanics, but also a way that we
can maybe train some up in-house. So working with the school
system coming out of their aviation programs.
So we are continuing, as we have for the last several years,
to evaluate the staffing levels at EMS, looking to expand our
training programs, really looking forward to Station 74 out on
DeSoto opening up, and coming up with a real serious growth
plan.
We've had 26 ambulances for at least the last decade, and
you know the growth that we've experienced in the county in that
decade. So looking at all the different ways we cooperate with
our partner agencies as well as how we continue to invest in our
EMS system. So hopefully that provides some ease to the
public. They'll still be calling 911 and having our first
responders showing up at their door. It's not something that
we're looking to shed off to a private company.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Okay. I want to add just one
thing in terms of the medical director and the email that I think
we've all got. And I've gotten several emails from folks in the
community that have read this material.
The email basically said that we were firing Dr. Tober and
did it in a way that was not particularly polite. All of that was
false. Dr. Tober was advised that his contract was up and that
we were going to do what a normal business would do, and that is
to rebid, and he was welcome to bid on that. So there was no
firing of the medical director and no indication to Dr. Tober that
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he was not welcome to continue bidding on that. He's been the
medical director for 47 years so, you know, he may choose not
to, but he has that option.
So all of that information was incorrect. And as the
Manager said, there was some statement in there that we were
looking to privatize EMS behind everybody's back. That's not a
discussion this board has ever had in terms of privatization. So
the whole email was just completely wrong. And so I appreciate
you clarifying that for the record.
MS. PATTERSON: Yes, sir. And there's been a little
further correspondence on the medical director; however, there
was no intent to fire Dr. Tober, and in fact, our chief of EMS did
make a call ahead of that letter, which is required by contract, to
both Dr. Tober and Dr. Lee to advise them that we were going to
be putting it out to bid. It has been 13 years since it was put out
to bid, and there had been discussions amongst the folks in EMS
about the interest of the sitting medical directors on continuing
with that contract.
So -- and, again, this is another situation, we can't be
without a medical director, just like we can't be without a
helicopter mechanic.
So that's what's going on, and I welcome if there's -- if
there's questions from the public about this, we're more than
happy to answer those questions. I can understand how
concerning it would be to think that something was going on with
that type of lifesaving service that we provide to the public.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: I would suggest that it is one
of the most important functions of government is when you dial
911 and you need an ambulance, you want someone showing up.
So perhaps down the road here you can give us a little bit of a
report on just what the status is, and, you know, what do we need
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to do to make sure that we're meeting the needs of the
community.
MS. PATTERSON: Yes, sir. I did talk with the command
staff about putting together their plans, obviously, coming into
this budget, but also one of the highest priority things that we are
asking them -- have been repeatedly asking them to work on but
with renewed emphasis is a growth plan. With all of the growth
to the east, we really need to think about what we're doing and
how we're going to do it and how we're going to provide that
service, because that -- that area is growing rapidly, and without a
hospital out there, that puts a lot of stress on the system.
And so we're looking at partnering with our -- another thing
we're looking at partnering with our fire agencies. Definitely not
about one taking over the other, but rather how we provide
complementary service and how we augment each other.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: And if at some point you need
some outside assistance in terms of someone coming in helping
make those decisions -- making recommendations, I think
bringing that to the Board would be welcomed.
MS. PATTERSON: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Mr. Klatzkow, do you have
anything else for the good of the order?
MR. KLATZKOW: No, sir, thank you.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner Kowal.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: No, sir. I'm good.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner Hall.
COMMISSIONER HALL: I don't have anything, but
unequivocally, without a doubt, the word of the day came from
Commissioner McDaniel. Actuarials probably will stand as a
record for a while.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Was that a fifty cent
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word for you?
COMMISSIONER HALL: Actuarials. I had trouble
spelling it.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner McDaniel,
could you go ahead and define that for us?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: You want me to?
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: No, I'm just kidding. Just
kidding. Commissioner McDaniel, anything?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes, sir. Thank you.
On the helicopter mechanic, our MedFlight's not the only
helicopter. Have we had consult with a -- with Mosquito
Control and the Sheriff?
MS. PATTERSON: We have not with the Mosquito
Control, but we have with the Sheriff, and we're actually going to
swing back around and have another conversation with them as
part of this. The idea of the outsourcing was simply to provide
some backfill services in the event -- so we do have a
helicopter -- one right now, and he's been here a very long time.
He's excellent. He's our director of something. The director
of --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Maintenance on the
helicopter.
MS. PATTERSON: -- maintenance. Thank you. I, like,
lost the word, director of maintenance.
He is amazing. He is very committed to the program. So
he gave us some good ideas of things that we could do. But yes,
we've had a pretty regular dialogue with the Sheriff's Office
because they're sitting right next door with helicopters. We can
reach out to Mosquito Control. But I feel optimistic that we've
got another plan in place here where we may have some luck
recruiting in some talent, and Ram is committed to help bring
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those folks along, so that's good news.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So we are
communicating with these other agencies --
MS. PATTERSON: Yes.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- that do have
helicopters, either other municipalities -- because we're not the
only ones with a helicopter.
MS. PATTERSON: Yeah. Lee County, even though it's
called Lee Flight, is out-sourced completely, but that was one of
the reasons why reaching out to these companies to see what
types of services they provide in the event that when Ram is
on -- even in the time -- he'll be here still -- when he's on vacation
or he's mandated to take time off, because he can only work so
many hours, that we would have services there to keep MedFlight
up.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. Number two, our
East of 951 Horizon Study 2.0 is in need of another alternate to
be placed on that committee. And I don't know, do we need to
bring an actual agenda item forward for that recommendation, or
can I make that now and, with consensus, push -- go forward?
MS. PATTERSON: I'm looking at the County Attorney.
MR. KLATZKOW: Are you asking to amend the
ordinance to allow for an alternative?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: No, no, no. One of the
alternates has some health issues.
MR. KLATZKOW: Oh, okay.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And so there is -- and
there is an applicant that's already there, Bruce Hamels, who I
would like to recommend as that replacement for that alternate.
MR. KLATZKOW: We'll bring it to the Board.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So you'll bring it. The
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first meeting in March we'll take care of that.
And the -- we want that committee to be well staffed up,
because as they're finishing up the decree from the Board for its
creation, we're also -- we're going to move into the Comp Plan
review for Golden Gate Estates rural and open up that Comp Plan
to have some discussion with the community about land uses and
the inevitable growth and things that are going on out there. So I
would like to make sure that that committee's well staffed up.
The third and last thing is I would like to see if we have
consensus to do -- have another look at our Rural Fringe
Mixed-Use District. It's far past time for that to have been
touched. We still are looking for the matrix with regard to the
credit balance with regard to the TDRs and the needs for the
Sending and Receiving, the generation of TDRs and then the
consumption of those TDRs.
There were some things that were implemented in the initial
RFMUD, the Rural Fringe Mixed-Use District, that's what that
stands for. There was a -- similar to what we dealt with with the
Rural Lands Stewardship area. There was a fairly -- it was an
arbitrary number. Somebody said, "How many acres should a
town be?" And somebody said, "5,000." And then we then
found out that 5,000 really wasn't an equitable way to go.
Similarly, in the Rural Fringe Mixed-Use District, lands in
the sending area can't be subdivided now less than 40 acres.
And so I would like to have this restudy done to analyze whether
or not that's an equitable process and what the impacts of our
community are.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: I would assume there's no
objection for having Commissioner McDaniel get with our staff
and come back with some sort of an analysis or put it on an
agenda.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, basically what I'm
asking for is to give direction to staff to commence the restudy of
that RF -- of the Rural Fringe Mixed-Use District and bring back
those items to us.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: And then what I would
suggest, though, can you come back with an agenda item so we
know -- if we ask staff to do that study, I think we kind of need to
know kind of what's involved in that. So maybe come back the
first meeting in March --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yep, that would be fine.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: -- with just some kind of a
recommendation on that.
All right. We're really pleased to see that we have our
newest state representative in the audience. Come on up to the
microphone -- and we -- I was going to ask Mr. Mullins to do two
things at our next meeting. One was to give us an update on our
Tallahassee trip, because we were up there last week, and there
are a lot of issues that we addressed. And so I think at our next
meeting, I'll work with Mr. Mullins to give us a report. But one
of the most pleasant meetings was with you. We really
appreciate everything you're doing for Collier County and for the
state.
MS. BENARROCH: Well, thank you for taking the time to
visit me in Tallahassee. I do appreciate it.
Commissioner McDaniel, Commissioner Saunders, and
Commissioner Kowal came up there. Sorry Commissioner Hall
and LoCastro couldn't make the trip. But I'm looking forward to
working with all of you for our community. Session is getting
ready to start next week. I'm here this week in the district, as
you can see, working hard in the community trying to visit my
constituents and then heading back to Tallahassee on Friday.
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Deadlines are coming up for bills, so, like I said, ready to
start on Tuesday, and it's probably going to be like drinking from
a fire hose, but we're ready -- we're ready for the challenge. And
again, I appreciate all you're doing for our county. It's really
important that we all work together in the benefit of our
community.
So thank you.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Thank you for being here.
Do any commissioners have any questions or anything?
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: You wouldn't have
wanted me to come up, because you would have caught my
pneumonia, basically is what you would have had. So when
Commissioner McDaniel called to check on me, he's like,
"What's wrong with you?" He's like, you -- "I can't even
understand you."
But I echo thanks. Sorry I missed you on the trip, but it's
obvious to see all the great work you're doing, Yvette. We're
really proud of you.
MS. BENARROCH: Yeah. And I want to take the time to
remind our constituents that our office is open. It's right here
across the hall from these chambers, so we want to make sure
that everyone knows that we're here. And our girl that's here in
the office, Shovante (phonetic), to make sure that we can take
care of our constituents while I'm away in Tallahassee.
Thank you for all you do. We appreciate you very much.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Thank you.
Commissioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yes, sir.
Concerning misinformation on EMS, other misinformation
that floats around, I'm going to give you a little short Costco
update, separate rumor from fact. So I sent out a very detailed
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newsletter to all my subscribers yesterday that outlined what
happens, what doesn't happen, what's rumor, and what's fact.
So I'll just give you the basics. Last Tuesday there was a
NIM. It was well attended. But as most NIMs are, it's usually
attended by most people that don't want something, which is fine.
That's what the NIM's for.
We had two staff members that were there to just monitor it,
make sure that -- they obviously don't run it. It's the developer's
meeting with citizens. It's not our meeting. But that's where
some of the misinformation started.
I got a ton of emails from some people that were looking for
the five commissioners and/or me to basically run the NIM, and I
had to remind them that this is the developer's meeting with
citizens. It's not something we do.
But the NIM took place. We still have not received
anything from Costco formally. You know, obviously they've
had conversations on and off with the county forever. I've been
working with Mr. Klatzkow, Mr. Bosi, Ms. Patterson, and the
whole staff on the Costco possible, you know, request for a build,
but we have yet to formally get anything that actually shows us
exactly what they're requesting. I mean, there's a lot of things
floating around that may or may not be correct, but obviously, us
commenting on anything when we haven't seen their actual
formal request would be inappropriate and irresponsible.
I sent you-all a one-way communication email because I
think all of our in-boxes are -- mine especially, but yours will
start to be filled with questions and things like that. And, you
know, I'm plugged in with the staff deeply and have been for
quite some time. So I welcome you forwarding those to me or,
you know, I've been answering them all personally.
Here's how the process could flow, and I just -- and this is
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more of informational and then also just to get it on the record.
The property is already zoned commercial. If a request came in
for Costco, and much like any other construction request, if it met
all of the permitting, all of the requirements of that piece of land,
then they work with the county, they get permits, just like if
you're going to build a house, and they put shovels in the ground.
You know, we have it on pretty good authority, though, that
although they meet most of the requirements -- and obviously,
the 25-acre parcel is already zoned commercial. But if they have
a request for any variances, the way the process normally works,
if the variances aren't too complicated, if they're not too -- if there
isn't too much meat on the bone, they're pretty cut and dry, it
actually just goes to the HEX, and the Hearing Examiner would
decide those variances and then say yay or nay, and they'd be
done. We'd never see it.
We have to wait and see what those variances are. But if
they happen to be that, the normal procedure would be it goes to
the HEX. If we think, however, when it comes in that those
variances are maybe a little more heavy lifting than just putting
on one person at the HEX -- and I'm telling you this from
conversations that I've had with our County Attorney and our
staff -- then we do have a few options, and the strong
recommended option is if those variances are, you know, bigger
than a bread basket, that we have the option to bypass the HEX
and send it to the Planning Commission first. The Planning
Commission, as Mr. Klatzkow -- I really appreciated you sending
this to me because I didn't have the actual verbiage. But when it
comes to the responsibilities of the Planning Commission, one of
their sub-bullets are -- for us is, we can -- that they exist to
make -- if there's any special knowledge or expertise available,
we can make a reasonable request from the BCC that the bottom
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line is that they hear anything to help vet out the questions to give
a bigger spotlight to the, you know, topic and also allow citizens
in a much bigger forum to speak to seven people on the Planning
Commission rather than, you know, one Hearing Examiner.
So, you know, just to recap, if variances are minimal, the
Hearing Examiner is the next step. If variances are medium to
large, our strong recommendation across the entire staff is that
we utilize the Planning Commission's expertise to have them hear
it first, and then they obviously don't vote. They make a
recommendation -- or they vote, but their vote is a
recommendation, then to us, and then at such time after the
Planning Commission, it would come to us, like I said, if this
request sort of flowed.
So a couple of takeaways from the NIM. Obviously, the
NIM, when it's run by a developer, you know, the developer's
pitch to the citizens made it sound like, to some, that shovels
were going in the ground tomorrow. You know, they use terms
like, "Yeah, we might be requesting some variances," but they
gave the impression that they're mere formalities, you know,
when it comes to approval. And we know that not to be so.
So this is still a ways away. I want to make sure -- and
Mr. Klatzkow and Mr. Bosi and Ms. Patterson, when we've
talked about it, you know, we want to be completely transparent.
We want to use all of the -- all of the things that we have at our
disposal to give citizens a voice, pro or con, to give the developer
a chance to present their case, and then for us to have the table set
for us as much as possible with as much detail so that when it
comes to us we have it packaged in a way that we have all of the
details on all sides, and it would make our job a lot easier. But
it's not coming to us tomorrow. We still haven't gotten anything
from Costco, like I said. And so we'll continue to, you know,
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have it flow.
But those are -- those are the options as to the different
tracks that it possibly could go. Still too early to tell which road
it might go down, but I'll continue to keep you posted.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: That's it. Thank you, sir.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Thank you. The only thing I
have is I'm going to ask Mr. Mullins at our first meeting in March
to advise the Board -- I know we have some repairs that are going
to take place in this room that are going to require that this room
basically be shut down for a couple of weeks because of doing
the work and then making sure everything is working properly,
and most of that's communications infrastructure.
So we're going to need to potential alter our meeting
schedule at some point because the room's going to have to be
vacant for a couple weeks.
So, Mr. Mullins, if you could come back in the first meeting
in March, and let's see when -- what we have to do and how it
impacts our schedule.
And I think at that time, also, second meeting -- first
meeting in March, maybe we can have a little summary
of -- basically for the public more than for the Board, but a little
bit update on what we did in Tallahassee and why that
expenditure of funds for travel to Tallahassee is money well
spent, maybe even a little bit of a history as to how much money
Collier County has gotten back in grants and things like that from
the legislature, a lot of which is due to members of this
commission meeting with legislators and actually traveling to
Tallahassee to meet with members of the legislature that are not
from Southwest Florida but are in very critical positions in the
legislature.
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So is the first meeting in March sufficient time?
MR. MULLINS: (Nods head.)
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. Other than that, I
don't have anything. If there's nothing else --
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I just got a --
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Commissioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Just as a reattack here, I
just got a note from the staff. I neglected in my Costco
update -- I actually do need us to -- I guess where's Jaime
Cook -- to actually vote on this? Okay.
So the strong expectation is the variances we're going to get
from Costco are going to have a little bit of meat on the bone.
And one of the things that we want to do is give as much notice
to all the parties, pro, con, Costco, everybody, even the Planning
Commission, of the path that we believe we should follow. If
something changes, we can always, you know, backtrack.
But I guess the decision up here -- and I would hope that,
you know, collectively we'd have, you know, unanimous support
that this is a smart way to go, based on the county's guidance, is
that if something comes to us that we -- that the county staff or
County Attorney, I, and that I know we would all believe would
be bigger than what the HEX should say, that we are all in
agreement that utilizing the Planning Commission as the next
step instead of the HEX would be smart, and then they would
give us a recommendation, and we would go forward.
So, Ms. Cook, if you can just nod, is that a motion I should
make so that -- this way -- and by doing this right now it's
officially letting all the parties know that there's no ambiguity as
to the set stages of where things would go.
So I'll make a motion that with all the information we have,
we believe there'll be some variances that will be a little bit of a
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deeper dive than what normally we would lay on the HEX and
that utilizing our seven-member Planning Commission that has a
lot of experience to vet this topic first and then give us a
recommendation would be the way to go.
COMMISSIONER HALL: Second.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. We have a motion
and a second, but before we vote on the motion, I want to ask the
County Attorney to make sure that we're not overreaching here in
terms of what our procedures are.
In your opinion, the motion, I think, would be to send this to
the Planning Commission. We have that motion made without
the property owner being informed that this was coming up, so I
want to make sure we're not doing something that's going to
jeopardize or interfere with our authority here. So give us a little
bit of advice.
MR. KLATZKOW: The Hearing Examiner was created for
noncontroversial items. If you've got a couple hundred people
showing up, that's no longer a noncontroversial item. So that my
expectation is that the Hearing Examiner would kick it to the
Board anyway. He recently did that with a matter involving
Alfie Oakes. But we are -- this board is entirely within its
purview to direct it to the Planning Commission for a
recommendation to this board.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: So the motion and
second -- the motion, we can vote on that today, and that fits with
our procedures for --
MR. KLATZKOW: We're good.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All right. So we have a
motion and second. Any discussion on the motion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Seeing none, all in favor,
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signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: All opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN SAUNDERS: It passes unanimously.
Then we'll have the Planning Commission and the County
Commission hear those issues as it relates to Costco.
I have nothing else. Seeing none, we are adjourned.
*******
**** Commissioner McDaniel moved, seconded by
Commissioner LoCastro and carried that the following items
under the Consent and Summary Agendas be approved and/or
adopted****
Item #16A1
RESOLUTION 2025-41: A RESOLUTION FOR FINAL
ACCEPTANCE OF THE PRIVATE ROADWAY AND
DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS AND ACCEPTANCE OF THE
PLAT DEDICATIONS FOR THE FINAL PLAT OF
ALLAMANDA ESTATES, APPLICATION NUMBER
PL20220001339, AND AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE OF THE
MAINTENANCE SECURITY IN THE AMOUNT OF
$26,226.61
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Item #16A2
RESOLUTION 2025-42: A RESOLUTION FOR FINAL
ACCEPTANCE OF THE PRIVATE ROADWAY AND
DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS AND ACCEPTANCE OF THE
PLAT DEDICATIONS FOR THE FINAL PLAT OF AZURE AT
HACIENDA LAKES - PHASE 2, APPLICATION NUMBER
PL20180002205, AND AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE OF THE
MAINTENANCE SECURITY IN THE AMOUNT OF
$229,608.45
Item #16A3
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE POTABLE WATER AND
SEWER UTILITY FACILITIES AND ACCEPT THE
CONVEYANCE OF A PORTION OF THE POTABLE WATER
AND SEWER UTILITY FACILITIES AND APPURTENANT
UTILITY EASEMENT FOR GREYSTAR MULTI-FAMILY
SANTA BARBARA – PHASE 1, PL20240009049 – STAFF
CONDUCTED A FINAL INSPECTION AND FOUND THE
FACILITIES TO BE SATISFACTORY AND ACCEPTABLE ON
DECEMBER 16, 2024
Item #16A4
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE POTABLE WATER AND
SEWER UTILITY FACILITIES AND ACCEPT THE
CONVEYANCE OF A PORTION OF THE POTABLE WATER
AND SEWER FACILITIES AND APPURTENANT UTILITY
EASEMENT FOR PERRY HOTEL NAPLES, PL20240012794 -
STAFF CONDUCTED A FINAL INSPECTION AND FOUND
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THE FACILITIES TO BE SATISFACTORY AN ACCEPTABLE
ON DECEMBER 23, 2024
Item #16A5
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE POTABLE WATER UTILITY
FACILITIES FOR QUAIL CREEK CLUBHOUSE,
PL20190002340), AND TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY
MANAGER OR DESIGNEE TO RELEASE THE FINAL
OBLIGATION BOND AND THE UTILITIES PERFORMANCE
SECURITY (UPS) IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF $13,413.66,
TO THE PROJECT ENGINEER OR THE DEVELOPER’S
DESIGNATED AGENT - STAFF CONDUCTED A FINAL
INSPECTION AND FOUND THE FACILITIES TO BE
SATISFACTORY AND ACCEPTABLE ON JANUARY 16, 2025
Item #16A6
THE CLERK OF COURTS TO RELEASE A PERFORMANCE
BOND IN THE AMOUNT OF $65,020, WHICH WAS POSTED
AS A GUARANTEE FOR EXCAVATION PERMIT NUMBER
PL20230007679 FOR WORK ASSOCIATED WITH
GREYSTAR MULTI-FAMILY SANTA BARBARA – THE AS-
BUILT LAKE CROSS SECTION RECEIVED AND
INSPECTION BY DEVELOPMENT REVIEW ON JANUARY
21, 2024
Item #16A7
THE CLERK OF COURTS TO RELEASE A PERFORMANCE
BOND IN THE AMOUNT OF $174,360, WHICH WAS
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POSTED AS A GUARANTEE FOR EXCAVATION PERMIT
NUMBER PL20230015585 FOR WORK ASSOCIATED WITH
THE VINEYARDS COUNTRY CLUB – NORTH GOLF
COURSE RENOVATION – THE AS-BUILT LAKE CROSS
SECTION RECEIVED AND INSPECTION BY
DEVELOPMENT REVIEW ON JANUARY 13, 2024
Item #16A8
THE RELEASE OF TWO CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS
WITH AN ACCRUED VALUE OF $30,000, FOR A REDUCED
PAYMENT OF $11,517.70, IN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT
ACTION TITLED BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
VS. CARMEN VASALLO, RELATING TO PROPERTY
LOCATED AT 1013 NEW MARKET RD. W., COLLIER
COUNTY, FLORIDA – THE VIOLATIONS FOR THIS
PROPERTY WAS BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE ON
NOVEMBER 20, 2007, FOR CEB AND ON OCTOBER 3,
2007, FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE CASES
Item #16A9
THE RELEASE OF A CODE ENFORCEMENT LIEN WITH
AN ACCRUED VALUE OF $195,600, FOR A REDUCED
PAYMENT OF $20,796.90, IN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT
ACTION TITLED BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
VS. KATHERINE M. JOHNSON TRUST, RELATING TO A
CONDOMINIUM LOCATED AT 1718 BALD EAGLE DR. #C,
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA. CODE ENFORCEMENT
BOARD CASE NO. CESD20190009030 – THE VIOLATION
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FOR THIS PROPERTY WERE BROUGHT INTO
COMPLIANCE ON JULY 22, 2024
Item #16B1
CHANGE ORDER NO. 1 UNDER AGREEMENT NO. 21-7862,
“DESIGN SERVICES FOR AIRPORT ROAD WIDENING,”
WITH KISINGER CAMPO & ASSOCIATES, CORP., ADDING
240 DAYS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DESIGN SERVICES
IN THE LUMP SUM NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF
$195,923.55, AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN
THE ATTACHED CHANGE ORDER (PROJECT #60190) -
ADDING ADDITIONAL SURVEY AND DESIGN ALONG
CURLING AVENUE
Item #16B2
CHANGE ORDER NO. 3 UNDER AGREEMENT NO. 21-7900,
“DESIGN SERVICES FOR STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS
FOR THE BCG & CC/ CCN AREAS,” WITH BOWMAN
GULF COAST LLC, TO EXTEND THE CONTRACT TIME BY
180 DAYS FOR TASKS 1-4 AND 730 DAYS FOR TASK 5
AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE
ATTACHED CHANGE ORDER (PROJECT NUMBER 60102)
– ADDING ADDITIONAL DESIGN SERVICED FOR
STORMWATER IMPROVMENTS FOR THE BIG CYPRESS
GOLF AND COUNTRY CLUB ESTATES/COUNTRY CLUB
OF NAPLES AREAS
Item #16B3
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A PURCHASE AND SALES AGREEMENT AND ADDENDA
WITH BIGI & BIGI, LLC, THE PURCHASE OF 14 OUT OF 18
CONDOMINIUM OFFICE UNITS WITHIN THE COURT
PLAZA III BUILDING SITUATED ON 1.17 IMPROVED
ACRES ON AIRPORT ROAD SOUTH, ADJACENT TO THE
GOVERNMENT CENTER, FOR THE COMMUNITY &
HUMAN SERVICES DIVISION, AND AUTHORIZE THE
ASSOCIATED BUDGET AMENDMENTS (COMPANION TO
ITEM #16B4)
Item #16B4
A PURCHASE AND SALES AGREEMENT WITH JOSEPH D.
STEWART, P.A. FOR THE PURCHASE OF UNIT 105, WHICH
IS THE LAST REMAINING AVAILABLE UNIT TO
PURCHASE OUT OF 18 CONDOMINIUM OFFICE UNITS
WITHIN THE COURT PLAZA III BUILDING SITUATED ON
1.17 IMPROVED ACRES ON AIRPORT ROAD SOUTH,
ADJACENT TO THE GOVERNMENT CENTER, FOR THE
COMMUNITY & HUMAN SERVICES DIVISION
(COMPANION TO ITEM #16B3)
Item #16B5
THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE TWENTY (20) DEED
CERTIFICATES FOR PURCHASED BURIAL RIGHTS AT
LAKE TRAFFORD MEMORIAL GARDENS CEMETERY
AND AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MANAGER OR
DESIGNEE TO TAKE ALL ACTIONS NECESSARY TO
RECORD THE DEED CERTIFICATES WITH THE CLERK OF
THE COURT’S RECORDING DEPARTMENT
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Item #16B6
THE COLLIER AREA TRANSIT DISADVANTAGED
BUSINESS ENTERPRISE (DBE) PROGRAM UPDATE TO
ENSURE ITS COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL TRANSIT
ADMINISTRATION (FTA) REQUIREMENTS AND
AUTHORIZE ITS SUBMITTAL TO THE FTA
Item #16B7
CHANGE ORDER NO. 1, ADDING $33,702.40 AND 137
DAYS TO THE WORK ORDER UNDER LIBRARY
CONTRACT 18-7432-CZ WITH APTIM ENVIRONMENTAL
& INFRASTRUCTURE, LLC., FOR THE PARK SHORE
BEACH RENOURISHMENT AND MAKE A FINDING THAT
THIS ITEM PROMOTES TOURISM (PROJECT #90067) –
FOR 167,000 TONS OF SAND TO FILL PARK SHORE
BEACH
Item #16B8
CHANGE ORDER NO. 1 FOR CONTRACT NO. 24-8292
WITH EARTH TECH ENTERPRISES, INC., FOR THE PARK
SHORE BEACH RENOURISHMENT, ADDING 15 DAYS TO
THE CONTRACT TIME (PROJECT #90067) (COMPANION
TO ITEM #16B9
Item #16B9
CHANGE ORDER NO. 2 FOR CONTRACT NO. 24-8292
WITH EARTH TECH ENTERPRISES, INC., FOR THE PARK
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SHORE BEACH RENOURISHMENT, INCREASING THE
CONTRACT AMOUNT BY $2,739,153, APPLYING THE
ALLOWANCE OF $254,000.00 AND ADDING 30 DAYS TO
THE CONTRACT TIME, APPROVE THE NECESSARY
BUDGET AMENDMENT, AND MAKE A FINDING THAT
THIS ITEM PROMOTES TOURISM (PROJECT #90067)
(COMPANION TO ITEM #16B8)
Item #16B10
AWARD INVITATION TO BID (“ITB”) NO. 24-8323 IN THE
AMOUNT OF $1,178,500.00 TO EARTH TECH
ENTERPRISES, INC., FOR THE COLLIER COUNTY SOUTH
NAPLES EMERGENCY BERM TRUCK HAUL &
CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN
TO SIGN THE ATTACHED AGREEMENT, AND MAKE A
FINDING THAT THIS ITEM PROMOTES TOURISM
(PROJECT #50280) - FOR THE REMAINING 1.8 MILES OF
NEARLY 14 MILE COLLIER EMERGENCY BERM PROJECT
IN SOUTH NAPLES SCHEDULED FOR CONSTRUCTION IN
APRIL OF 2025
Item #16C1
THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AS EX-
OFFICIO THE GOVERNING BOARD OF THE COLLIER
COUNTY WATER-SEWER DISTRICT (CCWSD), RATIFY
ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED CHANGE ORDER NO. 1,
PROVIDING FOR A TIME EXTENSION OF 110 DAYS AND
USE OF THE OWNER’S ALLOWANCES UNDER
AGREEMENT NO. 22-7965R, WITH D.B.E. MANAGEMENT,
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LLC., FOR THE GOLDEN GATE CITY TRANSMISSION
WATER IMPROVEMENTS - PHASE 2 PROJECT (PROJECT
NO. 70253 & #51029)
Item #16C2
THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AS EX-
OFFICIO OF THE GOVERNING BOARD OF THE COLLIER
COUNTY WATER-SEWER DISTRICT, APPROVE GRANT
AGREEMENT L0018 WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT
OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION FOR THE “NAPLES
PARK PUBLIC UTILITIES RENEWAL PROJECT
103RD/104TH AVENUES,” TO ACCEPT COST
REIMBURSEMENT GRANT FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT
OF $4,500,000, AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO
SIGN THE ATTACHED GRANT AGREEMENT (PROJECT
#70120, FUND 4016 AND PROJECT #60139 FUND 1841)
Item #16C3
THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AS EX-
OFFICIO OF THE GOVERNING BOARD OF THE COLLIER
COUNTY WATER-SEWER DISTRICT, APPROVE GRANT
AGREEMENT L0019 WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT
OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION FOR THE “PALM
RIVER PUBLIC UTILITIES RENEWAL PROJECT – AREAS
3, 5 & 6,” TO ACCEPT COST REIMBURSEMENT GRANT
FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF $3,000,000, AND
AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE ATTACHED
GRANT AGREEMENT (PROJECT #70257, FUND 4016 AND
PROJECT #60234 FUND 1841)
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Item #16C4
THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, ACTING AS
EX-OFFICIO THE GOVERNING BOARD OF THE COLLIER
COUNTY WATER-SEWER DISTRICT, APPROVE
AGREEMENT NO. 25-311NSWV, “IDEXX LABORATORY
SUPPLIES AND SERVICES,” WITH IDEXX DISTRIBUTION,
INC., (“IDEXX”) FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS UNDER A
SOLE SOURCE WAIVER, AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN
TO SIGN THE ATTACHED AGREEMENT, AND AUTHORIZE
EXPENDITURES IN AN ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF $250,000
PER FISCAL YEAR, AT A TOTAL ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF
$1,250,000 FOR THE DURATION OF THE FIVE-YEAR
AGREEMENT
Item #16D1
THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE THIRD AMENDMENT TO
THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN COLLIER COUNTY AND
THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF STATE DIVISION OF
HISTORICAL RESOURCES FOR THE RESTORATION OF
THE HISTORIC COTTAGES AT MAR-GOOD HARBOR
PARK TO EXTEND THE PERIOD OF PERFORMANCE
FROM DECEMBER 31, 2024, UNTIL JUNE 30, 2025 (PUBLIC
SERVICE GRANT FUND 1839 AND PUBLIC SERVICE
MATCH FUND 1840)
Item #16D2
THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN AMENDMENT ONE BETWEEN
THE COLLIER COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE AND
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COLLIER COUNTY TO REVISE LANGUAGE IN THE
OPIOID FUNDING AGREEMENT AND UPDATE THE
BUDGET – BEGINNING ON MAY 1, 2024, AND ENDING ON
SEPTEMBER 30, 2028
Item #16D3
THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN AMENDMENT ONE BETWEEN
DAVID LAWRENCE MENTAL HEALTH CENTER, INC.,
AND COLLIER COUNTY TO REVISE LANGUAGE IN THE
OPIOID FUNDING AGREEMENT – AS DETAILED IN THE
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Item #16D4
THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN
COLLIER COUNTY AND THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE ON
MENTAL ILLNESS COLLIER COUNTY, INC., (NAMI) FOR
$146,700 TO SUPPORT THE REQUIRED LOCAL
MANDATED MATCH (FISCAL IMPACT $146,700) – FOR
COMMUNITY ALCOHOL AND MENTAL HEALTH
SERVICES FOR THE PERIOD OF OCTOBER 1, 2024,
THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30, 2025
Item #16D5
THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN SIXTEEN (16) MORTGAGE
SATISFACTIONS FOR THE STATE HOUSING INITIATIVES
PARTNERSHIP LOAN PROGRAM IN THE AMOUNT OF
$800,000. THIS TRANSACTION IS A TRANSFER OF
MORTGAGE LIABILITY FROM HABITAT FOR HUMANITY
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OF COLLIER COUNTY, INC., TO THE HOMEOWNERS
PROVIDED WITH HOME PURCHASE ASSISTANCE
THROUGH THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ASSISTANCE
STRATEGY (SHIP GRANT FUND 1053) – TRANSFERRING
THE MORTGAGE LIABILITY FROM HABITAT FOR
HUMANITY OF COLLIER COUNTY, INC. TO THE
HOMEOWNERS
Item #16D6
THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO
THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN COLLIER COUNTY AND
THE IMMOKALEE FAIR HOUSING ALLIANCE, INC., TO
AMEND THE PERIOD OF PERFORMANCE AND
INCORPORATE RETAINAGE LANGUAGE UNDER THE
STATE HOUSING INITIATIVES PARTNERSHIP (SHIP)
RENTAL DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY (GRANT FUND 1053)
– FOR CONTINUED USE FOR AN AFFORDABILITY
PERIOD OF 30 YEARS
Item #16D7 – Moved to Item #11C (Per Agenda Change Sheet)
Item #16D8
APPROPRIATE RESTRICTED DONATIONS FROM
VARIOUS DONORS IN THE AMOUNT OF $7,802.50 FOR
THE BENEFIT OF THE COLLIER COUNTY PUBLIC
LIBRARY AND TO AUTHORIZE THE NECESSARY
BUDGET AMENDMENTS – AS DETAILED IN THE
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
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Item #16D9
A BUDGET AMENDMENT RECOGNIZING $2,802.77 IN
PROGRAM INCOME FROM INTEREST EARNED IN THE
HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM,
HOUSING GRANT FUND (1848)
Item #16F1
CHANGE ORDER NO. 13, ADDING FIFTEEN DAYS TO THE
SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION DATE FOR PURCHASE
ORDER NO. 4500229878, UNDER AGREEMENT NO. 21-
7883-ST WITH O-A-K/FLORIDA, INC., D/B/A OWEN-AMES-
KIMBALL COMPANY, FOR THE MAIN CAMPUS
UPGRADES, AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN
THE ATTACHED CHANGE ORDER (PROJECT NO. 50214)
Item #16F2
A THIRD AMENDMENT TO RADIO TOWER LEASE
AGREEMENT 787-C WITH CROWN CASTLE GT
COMPANY, LLC, AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY TO
INSTALL A LARGER PROPANE TANK REQUIRED FOR
THE OPERATION OF THE COUNTY’S PUBLIC SAFETY
RADIO SYSTEM, AND INCREASING THE MONTHLY
RENT BY $320 FOR THE ADDITIONAL SPACE
Item #16F3
A FOURTH AMENDMENT TO RADIO TOWER LEASE
AGREEMENT 787-B WITH CROWN CASTLE GT
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COMPANY, LLC, AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY TO
INSTALL A LARGER PROPANE TANK REQUIRED FOR
THE OPERATION OF THE COUNTY’S PUBLIC SAFETY
RADIO SYSTEM, AND INCREASING MONTHLY RENT BY
$320 FOR THE ADDITIONAL SPACE
Item #16F4
RESOLUTION 2025-43: A RESOLUTION APPROVING
AMENDMENTS (APPROPRIATING GRANTS, DONATIONS,
CONTRIBUTIONS OR INSURANCE PROCEEDS) TO THE
FISCAL YEAR 2024-25 ADOPTED BUDGET (THE BUDGET
AMENDMENTS IN THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION HAVE
BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS VIA SEPARATE EXECUTIVE
SUMMARIES)
Item #16F5
BUDGET AMENDMENTS FOR A TOTAL AMOUNT OF
$818,682.00 FOR CONTINUED HURRICANE MILTON
DRAINAGE, BEACH, AND DUNE RELATED CLEANUP
EXPENSES AND BEACH DUNE RESTORATION
PLANTINGS WITHIN THE PELICAN BAY SERVICES
DIVISION MUNICIPAL SERVICES TAXING & BENEFIT
UNIT – THE PLANTS WILL INCLUDE SEAGRAPE AND
RED, WHITE AND BLACK MANGROVES
Item #16F6
RESOLUTION 2025-44: A RESOLUTION PROVIDING
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NOTICE OF INTENT TO EXTEND THE LEVY OF THE FIVE-
CENT AND SIX-CENT LOCAL OPTION FUEL TAXES,
PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTES SECTIONS 336.025
(1)(A) AND (B), AND THE NINTH CENT FUEL TAX
PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTES, SECTION 336.021,
UPON THEIR SCHEDULED TERMINATION DATE OF
DECEMBER 31, 2025, WITHOUT A GAP OR LAPSE IN THE
COLLECTION OF THE TAX, EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1, 2026,
THROUGH DECEMBER 31, 2055, AND DIRECTING THE
OFFICE OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO ADVERTISE THE
APPROPRIATE ORDINANCES
Item #16J1
TO RECORD IN THE MINUTES OF THE BOARD OF
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THE CHECK NUMBER (OR
OTHER PAYMENT METHOD), AMOUNT, PAYEE, AND
PURPOSE FOR WHICH THE REFERENCED
DISBURSEMENTS IN THE AMOUNT OF $72,493,266.59
WERE DRAWN FOR THE PERIODS BETWEEN JANUARY
30, 2025, AND FEBRUARY 12, 2025, PURSUANT TO
FLORIDA STATUTE 136.06
Item #16J2
REQUEST THAT THE BOARD APPROVE AND DETERMINE
VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR INVOICES PAYABLE AND
PURCHASING CARD TRANSACTIONS AS OF FEBRUARY
19, 2025
Item #16K1
February 25, 2025
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RESOLUTION 2025-45: APPOINTING THREE MEMBERS
TO THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE – APPOINTING
MARUEEN ROBERTS, KRISTEN KERWIN AND TAMARA
DECARO ALL W/TERMS EXPIRING ON APRIL 12, 2026
Item #17A
ORDINANCE 2025-09: AN ORDINANCE REZONING A
7.4± ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 6145 POLLY AVENUE
FROM THE RURAL AGRICULTURAL (A) ZONING
DISTRICT TO THE ESTATES (E) DISTRICT TO ALLOW UP
TO THREE SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING UNITS WITH A
MAXIMUM DENSITY OF UP TO ONE DWELLING UNIT
PER 2.47± ACRES ON PROPERTY LOCATED
APPROXIMATELY 1600 FEET EAST OF SANTA BARBARA
BOULEVARD BETWEEN POLLY AVENUE AND EVERETT
STREET, IN SECTION 16, TOWNSHIP 50 SOUTH, RANGE
26 EAST, COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
Item #17B
RESOLUTION 2025-46: PETITION VAC-PL20200001169,
TO DISCLAIM, RENOUNCE, AND VACATE THE COUNTY
AND THE PUBLIC INTEREST IN THE CONSERVATION
EASEMENT RECORDED IN OFFICIAL RECORD BOOK
4296, PAGE 1735, OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF COLLIER
COUNTY, FLORIDA, LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 400-
FEET EAST OF INDUSTRIAL BOULEVARD, SOUTH OF
MERCANTILE AVENUE, IN SECTION 36, TOWNSHIP 49
SOUTH, RANGE 25 EAST, COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
February 25, 2025
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Item #17C
RESOLUTION 2025-47: A RESOLUTION APPROVING
AMENDMENTS (APPROPRIATING CARRY FORWARD,
TRANSFERS AND SUPPLEMENTAL REVENUE) TO THE
FISCAL YEAR 2024-25 ADOPTED BUDGET (THE BUDGET
AMENDMENTS IN THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION HAVE
BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS VIA SEPARATE EXECUTIVE
SUMMARIES)
February 25, 2025
There being no further business for the good of the County, the
meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 12:01 p.m.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS/EX
OFFICIO GOVERNING BOARD(S) OF
SPECIAL DISTRICTS UNDER ITS CONTROL
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BURT SAUNDERS, CHAIRMAN
ATTEST ,
CRYSTAL K. KJNZEL, CLERK
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Attest as to Chairrn.an's''
signature cn+y . ,
These minutes approved by the Board on 3 09-5 a'ZD , as
presented V or as corrected .
TRANSCRIPT PREPARED ON BEHALF OF FORT MYERS
COURT REPORTING BY TERRI L. LEWIS, REGISTERED
PROFESSIONAL COURT REPORTER, FPR-C, AND
NOTARY PUBLIC.
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