DASAB Minutes 12/18/2024 Draft
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MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF COLLIER COUNTY
DOMESTIC ANIMAL SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD
Naples, Florida
December 18, 2024
LET IT BE REMEMBERED that the Collier County Domestic Animal Services Advisory
Board, in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on this
date at 6:00 p.m. for a MEETING at the Growth Management Community Development
Department Room 609/610 2800 N. Horseshoe DR. Naples, Florida, with the following
members present:
CHAIRMAN: Laurie Harris
Michele Antonia
Kelly Hyland
Susan Mehas
Allen Schantzen
Jonathan Foerster
Cpl. Sherry Rego (Excused)
Also Present: Meredith McLean, Director, Domestic Animal Services
Alexandra Casanova, Management Specialist, II, (Division Liaison)
Amy Patterson, County Manager
Jeff Klatzkow, County Attorney
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Any persons in need of the verbatim record of the meeting may request a copy of the audio recording
from Domestic Animal Services.
I. Call to Order
Chair Harris called to order at 6:00pm.
II. Roll Call – Establish a Quorum
A quorum of 6 was established.
III. Pledge of Allegiance
[The Pledge of Allegiance was recited.]
IV. Approval of Agenda
Mr. Schantzen moved to approve the Agenda subject to hearing Item 8 before Item 7. Second by
Mr. Mehas. Carried unanimously 6 – 0.
V. Public comment – items not addressed on this agenda
Tom Kepp, the only way we're fixing this problem which affects Domestic Animal Services (DAS)
and Humane Society Naples intake is if we all get together and sit outside the building and discuss
how we can help fix things in the field. Snipp Collier is willing to have real discussions with top
groups involved in these organizations.
Ms. Mehas- are you talking about the smaller rescue groups?
Mr. Kepp - just with a couple people involved in leadership of the group.
Ms. Mehas, just DAS and Humane Society of Naples only?
Mr. Kepp, and Snipp Collier to start with and then we can determine activity moving forward.
VI. Approval of minutes
A. November 20, 2024
Tabled
VII. Staff Report
No update necessary.
VIII. Legal interpretations presentation – County Attorney
Jeff Klatzkow Thanked them for their service, it was countless hours and appreciated what they do.
Ms. Harris - How bound are we by Sunshine Laws?
Mr. Klatzkow - No different then a commissioner
Mr. Schantzen - Why did DAS end up with an affirmative vote of four or more to be necessary to
take official action if other boards don't have four or more?
Mr. Klatzkow - you need to vote a four out of seven. You could meet and only have four but still
need the four votes.
Mr. Schantzen - Do we make recommendations to the Board of County Commissioners on
programs, services, classes, and special events that will further assist Collier County DAS in
providing the best service.
Mr. Klatzkow - that's the Advisory Board’s core function
Mr. Schantzen including to analyze, review construction and improvements to DAS facilities, to
make recommendations to the Board of County Commissioners (BCC)?
Mr. Klatzkow - only if Staff came forward to the Advisory Board for a recommendation or input. If
there is an issue outside your scope, public comment to the board avenue to address it, with input
from the County Manager. If the Advisory Board is interested in addressing issues outside the
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Ordinance governing them, an amendment will be required. The process is Staff presents items to
the BCC who determines if the request should be approved.
Ms. Antonia noted this process was utilized when the requirements for Trap Neuter and Release
(TNR) were considered, which included an analysis of cost savings and efficiency in dealing with
feral cats.
Mr. Klatzkow noted if changes are under consideration, a meeting with the BCC could be held to
review the matter and obtain input.
Chair Harris noted amendments to the language could be proposed and forwarded to the County
Attorney’s Office for review.
Ms. Hyland requested clarification on Ordinance section 14-29 #2
Mr. Klatzkow - it gives the County or a resident the ability to enter public and private property.
You can knock on the door, but you can't go into the backyard.
Ms. Hyland asked, are you referring to curtilage? Can you define curtilage?
Mr. Klatzkow - curtilage, you have a residential home, everything around is the curtilage.
Ms. Hyland continued to read a section of the Ordinance. So, the way it is written is you're allowed
to go on public or private property but can't go within any building or structure within that property.
A discussion occurred on the details of the Section of the Ordinance.
Ms. Harris-we can revise the language and submit it to the County Attorney’s Office for review.
Ms. Hyland -The probable cause allows someone to go on property.
Mr. Klatzkow - if the Sheriffs Officer sees a dog tethered the Sheriff and the ACO can take action.
Ms. Hyland - so if you see something in their front yard, they can act but not in the backyard
Mr. Klatzkow- they can't go around the back. They can go to the neighbors' house with approval
and view the adjacent property.
IX. Old Business
A. Foster to Adopt Updates
Ms. McLean reported:
• The current count at shelter is 255 animals, 193 cats, 60 dogs and one rabbit
• Intake for November were 415, 248 cats, 158 dogs, 9 others
• The month of October adoptions were 87, November was 345 which is a large
increase but out foster-to-adopts weren’t considered adoptions until they were
altered.
• We currently have 290 animals in foster.
B. Building Construction
Ms. Mclean reported:
• The spray foam insulation was applied.
• Fire equipment expected to be completed on the 20th.
• HVAC controls are expected to be completed on the 27th
• Electrical, some light repairs are completed but we have a few things slated for this
weekend, which is our emergency exit signs and some outlets
• Plumbing, floor drains are cleaned, drain covers are getting installed soon, we're
installing new hoses
• Wall panels and mirrors were installed, power washing of the interior was
completed, and painting is ongoing.
• The kennel gates will be installed in the future.
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Ms. McLean - building 5 will be done by the end of the year.
Ms. Harris - “Can we get an update on building 3 and 4?
Ms. McLean -the plan is we're going to move on directly to one of the next buildings, we
have a lot of pieces lined up. We know the process now with this first building, it should
take 90 days for a building to be done.
Ms. Mehas - Why do dogs get so much freedom, and cats are in cages?
Ms. McLean -We’re working with the constraints that we're currently with, we've made
some improvements to the cat kennels.
Mr. Schantzen - The plan is to take either 3 or 4 out of commission for up to 90 days, plus
or minus?
Ms. McLean - Right, 3 and 5 will have to be the new building with more animals in 5. 5
has a split in the middle and we can use the back for isolation. 3 and 4 are adoption
buildings and 5 is that stray hole and disease control building.
Mr. Schantzen -The determination is 4 is coming out of commission next? In the process is
when we do the door swap
Ms. McLean - Yes that's correct.
C. Veterinarian Search
• We have a manager position
• One possible candidate for veterinarian
• Customer service position
• Animal care supervisor
• One program/foster coordinator
i. External Veterinary Cost
• The cost of spending for veterinary care outside is in the meeting packet.
• The data is from August to now, subtract the first line which is the emergency pet
hospital.
ii. Spay/Neuter third party fees
No update necessary.
D. Surtax Fund (Shelter Improvements/Replacements) – County Manager
Ms. Patterson provided an update noting there was $6 million allocated for a new facility
for DAS back in 2017/2018. Some of the items on the list were ideas versus actual projects,
now the money is not adequate for the 2024 standards. The $6 million needs to be more like
$20 to $25 million. At that point in time the idea was to use surtax for some major
renovations to current property. We’re working on accommodating the air conditioning to
make the building air conditioning ready. We've added $2.5 million in capital dollars, this is
green money not, surtax money that will help supplement DAS. There is also a $1M in the
budget to start planning a facility in the eastern part of the County. We have a couple of
ideas for Immokalee and off Oil Well Road.
Ms. Hyland - Approximately how much is left of the $6 million?
Ms. Patterson - I don't really know, I need to go through and see what the expenditure is.
Ms. Mehas - Removing the Animal Control Officers salary and benefits from DAS, how
much did it put back for DAS.
Ms. Patterson - We can get back to you on that.
Mr. Foerster - Is there a possibility the County could work with the David Lawrence
Center or nonprofit organizations to raise money for animal welfare, building capital?
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Ms. Patterson- That’s a possibility’.
Ms. Harris - Can you give us examples of what is and what is not surtax eligible?
Ms. Patterson- It can be used for sitework, land acquisition and purchase of buildings
and not furniture, fixtures, desks, computers, etc.
Mr. Schantzen - Is there any document on the long-term plan?
Ms. Patterson - No but we have an Annual Update and Inventory Report which is our
five-year capital plan.
Ms. Hyland – what is the protocol for the community reporting a complaint?
Ms. Patterson - That's something Meredith, Jaime and I need to discuss how to better deal
with the call volume coming in.
Ms. Hyland - where does the call transfer to, Code Enforcement or DAS?
Ms. McLean - it depends on the situation.
X. New Business
A. Capital Project – Short term, mid term, long term
This was addressed earlier.
B. Ordinance revision update
We have been trying to reschedule the date.
C. Social media discussion
Mr. Foerster noted he received a post from a group, Domestic Animal Services Advisory
Group on Facebook that was negative and incorrect regarding Humane Society and its
operations. They were criticizing one of the biggest partners of that organization. I spoke to
Sarah at the Humane Society and briefly with Ms. Mclean about it. There's very little the
County can do to stop it.
Ms. McLean -We can't do much to control the name of a group.
Ms. Harris - I did not start that group I joined it to make sure I knew what was being said.
Mr. Foerster - I brought this up if anyone is associated with people posting those things it
would be helpful to ask them not to do it or explain why it's not a great idea for the benefit of
the animal welfare in the county.
Ms. McLean - The County shelters don't thrive without the relationship with the nonprofit
agencies, and I want to maintain a good relationship with them.
XI. Public Comment
Tom Kepp submitted a copy of a case for the Board’s review. The information included copies of
photographs, Citations and other information. He expressed concern on the process required to
enforce chaining and proper shelter of dogs and recommended the Ordinance be reviewed
including the requirements for enforcement officers entering private property and taking control of
animals in need when necessary.
Patty Tulley expressed concern on safety standards for building 3, dogs have broken out and
volunteers have had accidents. She queried if the kennel doors in building 3 are being replaced as
the dogs have damaged them.
Discussion on the status of the doors noting the Board and Staff is aware of the issues and are
investigating a long-term solution to the issues.
XII. Advisory Board Member Comments
The following was noted during Member comments:
• It would be beneficial to review cases to determine the solution to the treatment of animal
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issues including any changes required to the Ordinance.
• A review of the parameters for adoption including the “first come” policy should be
undertaken to determine if any changes are necessary.
• An initiative should be undertaken to consider rebranding Domestic Animals Services
including the name of the Department, logo, etc. to ensure it properly represents the
services provided by the County.
• It would be advantageous for the Advisory Board to be represented at functions which are
held by various businesses promoting activities in line with the Department’s goals and
services.
XIII. Adjourn
There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was concluded at
8:45pm.
Collier County Domestic Animal Services
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Laurie Harris, Chairman
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