Agenda 12/10/2024 Item # 2B (October 22, 2024 Minutes)October 22, 2024
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Naples, Florida, October 22, 2024
LET IT BE REMEMBERED that the Board of County
special districts as have been ere
REGULAR SESSION
East Naples,
Amy Patterso1 ounty Manager
ovemment Complex,
Dan Kowal
William L. McDaniel, Jr.
Burt L. Saunders
Ed Finn, Deputy County Manager
Jeffrey A. Klatzkow, County Attorney
Derek Johnssen, Finance Director, Collier Clerk's Office
Troy Miller, Communications & Customer Relations
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COLLIER COUNTY
Board of County Commissioners
Community Redevelopment Agency Board (CRAB)
Airport Authority
AGENDA
Board of County Commission Chambers
Collier County Government Center
3299 Tamiami Trail East, 3rd Floor
Naples, FL 34112
October 22, 2024
9:00AM
Commissioner Chris Hall, District 2 -Chair
Commissioner Burt Saunders, District 3 -Vice Chair
Commissioner Rick Locastro, District 1
Commissioner Dan Kowal, District 4 -CRAB Co-Chair
Commissioner William L. McDaniel, Jr., District 5 -CRAB Co-Chair
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MINUTES MAY BE CEDED TO AN IN-PERSON SPEAKER BY OTHER
REGISTERED SPEAKERS WHO MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE
SPEAKER IS HEARD. NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS WILL BE HEARD FOR
PROCLAMATIONS, PRESENTATIONS AND PUBLIC PETITIONS. SPEAKERS
ON PRESENTATIONS ARE LIMITED TO 10 MINUTES, UNLESS EXTENDED
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MUST REGISTER PRIOR TO THE BOARD'S APPROVAL OF THE DAY'S
CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS HEARD AT THE BEGINNING OF THE
MEETING FOLLOWING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
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SUBMIT THE REQUEST IN WRITING TO THE COUNTY MANAGER AT
LEAST 13 DAYS PRIOR TO THE DATE OF THE MEETING. THE REQUEST
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EXTENDED BY THE CHAIR. SHOULD THE PETITION BE GRANTED, THE
ITEM WILL BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA FORA PUBLIC HEARING.
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ON THIS AGENDA OR A FUTURE AGENDA MUST REGISTER TO SPEAK
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TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.
COLLIER COUNTY ORDINANCE NO. 2003-53 AS AMENDED BY
ORDINANCE 2004-05 AND 2007-24, REQUIRES THAT ALL LOBBYISTS
SHALL, BEFORE ENGAGING IN ANY LOBBYING ACTIVITIES (INCLUDING
BUT NOT LIMITED TO, ADDRESSING THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS), REGISTER WITH THE CLERK TO THE BOARD AT THE
BOARD MINUTES AND RECORDS DEPARTMENT.
IF YOU ARE A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY WHO NEEDS ANY
ACCOMMODATION IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCEEDING,
YOU ARE ENTITLED, AT NO COST TO YOU, THE PROVISION OF CERTAIN
ASSISTANCE. PLEASE CONTACT THE COLLIER COUNTY FACILITIES
MANAGEMENT DIVISION LOCATED AT 3335 EAST TAMIAMI TRAIL, SUITE
1, NAPLES, FLORIDA, 34112-5356, (239) 252-8380; ASSISTED LISTENING
DEVICES FOR THE HEARING IMPAIRED ARE AVAILABLE IN THE
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FACILITIES MANAGEMENT DIVISION.
LUNCH RECESS SCHEDULED FOR 12:00 NOON TO 1:00 P.M.
1. INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
2. AGENDAAND MINUTES
A. Approval of today's Regular, Consent, and Summary agenda as amended
( ex-parte disclosure provided by Commission members for Consent agenda.)
B. This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
September 10, 2024, BCC Meeting Minutes.
C. This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
September 19, 2024, BCC Budget Hearing Minutes
3. AWARDS AND RECOGNITIONS
A. EMPLOYEE
1) 20 YEARATTEBDEES
a) Bernard Frerick -Wastewater
2) 25 YEAR ATTENDEES
3) 30 YEAR ATTENDEES
a) Jonathan Harraden-Emergency Medical Services
4) 35 YEAR ATTENDEES
a) Irving Baez -Parks & Recreation
b) Heather Sweet -Utilities Finance Operation
c) George Yilmaz -Public Utilities Department
B. ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS
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C. RETIREES
D. EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH
4. PROCLAMATIONS
A. Proclamation designating October 25 -November 2, 2024, as Mobility Week
in Collier County. To be accepted by Brian Wells, Director, Public Transit &
Neighborhood Enhancement, and Omar DeLeon, Transit Manager.
B. Proclamation recognizing the individuals who fostered animals from Collier
County Domestic Animal Services during Hurricane Milton.
5. PRESENTATIONS
A. Update by the Pelican Bay Foundation, Inc., on Pickleball at Pelican Bay
Community Park
B. Hurricane Milton After Action Summary
6. PUBLIC PETITIONS
7. PUBLIC COMMENTS (On General Topics not on the Current or Future Agenda)
8. BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
9. ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. This Item was Continued from the January 23, 2024, BCC Meeting to
the September 24, 2024, BCC Meeting and Further Continued to the
October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting. This Item Continued from the October
8, 2024, BCC Meeting. Recommendation to approve an Ordinance of the
Board of County Commissioners amending the Collier County Growth
Management Plan to create the Mattson at Vanderbilt Residential Subdistrict
to allow a maximum density of 150 multifamily rental units with affordable
housing. The subject property is located on the north side of Vanderbilt
Beach Road, approximately 825 feet from the intersection of Vanderbilt
Beach Road and Livingston Road, in Section 31, Township 48 South, Range
26 East, Collier County, Florida, consisting of 5.88± acres, PL20220001010.
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(This is a companion to Item #9B)
B. This Item was Continued from the January 23, 2024, BCC Meeting to
the September 24, 2024, BCC Meeting and Further Continued to the
October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting. This Item Continued from the October
8, 2024, BCC Meeting. This item requires the Commission members to
provide ex-parte disclosure. Should a hearing be held on this item, all
participants are required to be sworn in. Recommendation to approve an
ordinance for the property from a Rural Agricultural (A) Zoning District to a
Residential Planned Unit Development (RPUD) Zoning District for the
project to be known as Mattson at Vanderbilt RPUD, to allow construction
of up to 150 multi-family rental units with affordable housing on property
located on the north side of Vanderbilt Beach Road, approximately 825 feet
from the intersection of Vanderbilt Beach Road and Livingston Road, in
Section 31, Township 48 South, Range 26 East, consisting of 5.88± acres,
PL20220001011. (This is a companion to Item #9A)
10. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
A. Recommendation to promote a Public Hearing hosted by the Florida
Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, Florida Fore st Service,
and the Management Plan Advisory Group for the Okaloacoochie Slough
State Forest on the draft 10-Year Land Management Plan of the
Okaloacoochie Slough State Forest. (William L. McDaniel, Jr.,
Commissioner -District 5)
B. Recommendation to authorize staff to initiate the process of installing a Safe
Haven Baby Box at a County-owned and operated Emergency Medical
Services (EMS) Station and approve any necessary Budget Amendments.
11. COUNTY MANAGER'S REPORT
A. This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to direct staff to proceed with a Sports Complex
Expansion & Tourism Impact Study for the future phases of the Paradise
Coast Sports Complex to be conducted by Hunden Partners, seek a Tourist
Development Committee recommendation for the expenditure of tourist
development taxes for the tourism impact study, and provide direction to
proceed with an additional field (Field 9) and the associated restroom,
shelter structure, parking, and site work to complete Phase 3. (Ed Finn,
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Deputy County Manager)
B. This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to accept a presentation regarding the authorized use of
each of the five pennies of the Tourist Development Tax pursuant to
Florida's Tourist Development Tax statute, Section 125.0104, Fla.
Stat. (Christopher Johnson, Division Director -Corporate Financial &
Management Services)
C. This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve an Agreement for Sale and Purchase under the
Conservation Collier Land Acquisition Program with Symphony Properties
LLC for a 150.0-acre property at a cost of $4,015,000, for a total cost not to
exceed $4,035,150, inclusive of closing costs. (Jaime Cook, Division
Director -Development Review)
12. COUNTY ATTORNEY'S REPORT
A. This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to authorize a representative of the County Attorney's
Office to bid on behalf of the County at a code enforcement lien foreclosure
sale scheduled by the Clerk in Collier County, Florida v. Lee Vern Lambert,
et al., Circuit Case No. 23-CA-3392, in an amount to be determined by the
Board. (Ronald Tomasko, Assistant County Attorney)
13. OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS
14. AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND/OR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT
AGENCY
A. AIRPORT
B. COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
15. STAFF AND COMMISSION GENERAL COMMUNICATIONS
A. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON GENERAL TOPICS NOT ON THE
CURRENT OR FUTURE AGENDA BY INDIVIDUALS NOT
ALREADY HEARD DURING PREVIOUS PUBLIC COMMENTS IN
THIS MEETING
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B. STAFF PROJECT UPDATES
C. STAFF AND COMMISSION GENERAL COMMUNICATIONS
16. Consent Agenda -All matters listed under this item are considered to be
routine and action will be taken by one motion without separate discussion of
each item. If discussion is desired by a member of the Board, that item(s) will
be removed from the Consent Agenda and considered separately.
A. GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT
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This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve and authorize the chairman to execute an
Amendment to the Economic Development Agreement with PFPI OZ,
LLC to reallocate funding amongst line items to better facilitate
economic development in Golden Gate City.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve final acceptance of the potable water and
sewer utility facilities and accept the conveyance of the potable water
and sewer facilities for Terreno at Valencia Golf and Country Club
Phase 2B and 2C, PL20240005675.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve the release of a code enforcement lien
with an accrued value of $149,700 for a reduced payment of
$24,070.90 in the code enforcement action titled Board of County
Commissioners vs. Double M Investments, LLC, relating to property
located at 659 Palm Ave., Collier County, Florida.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve final acceptance and accept the
conveyance of the potable water and sewer utility facilities for Seven
Shores Phase IA, PL20230015660.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve a Resolution for final acceptance of the
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private roadway and drainage improvements and acceptance of the
plat dedications for the final plat of Founders Square, Application
Number PL20190000344, and authorize the release of the
maintenance security in the amount of$575,493.19.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve an Agreement for Sale and Purchase
under the Conservation Collier Land Acquisition Program with Robert
A. Dennison for a 2.73-acre parcel at a cost of $62,790, for a total cost
not to exceed $64,510 inclusive of closing costs.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve a Resolution amending the Growth
Management Community Development Department Services Fee
Schedule reflecting the operating costs associated with subdivision
review, preliminary plats, and minor easement use agreements, with
an effective date of October 8, 2024, in accordance with the Collier
County Code of Laws and Ordinances, Section 2-13.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve a Resolution for final acceptance of the
private roadway and drainage improvements and acceptance of the
plat dedications for the final plat of Azure at Hacienda Lakes -Phase
1 Replat, Application Number PL20180001774, and authorize the
release of the maintenance security in the amount of $61,369.69.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve final acceptance of the potable water and
sewer utility facilities and accept the conveyance of a portion of the
potable water facilities and appurtenant utility easement for Hampton
Inn at the Shops at Hammock Cove, PL20240006452.
10) This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve final acceptance of the potable water and
sewer utility facilities and accept the conveyance of a portion of the
sewer utility facilities for Caring Dentistry, PL202400068 l 3
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve final acceptance of the potable water
utility facilities for Eagle Creek Golf & Country Club Clubhouse,
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PL20240009745.
11) This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to direct staff to advertise an ordinance amending
Ordinance 2022-42, as amended, which established Milestone
Inspections of aging condominium and cooperative buildings in
unincorporated Collier County and bring back the ordinance at an
advertised public hearing.
12) This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve the selection committee's ranking related
to Invitation to Negotiate (ITN) No. 24-8291, "Immokalee Culinary
Accelerator Lease and Equipment Purchase" and authorize staff to
begin negotiations with the top-ranked firm, Core Health Partners
Foundation Incorporated, so that a proposed agreement can be brought
back for the Board's consideration at a future meeting.
13) This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve a Donation Agreement that allows SD
Orange Blossom, LLC, a Florida limited liability company, to donate
two 1.14-acre parcels along with a management endowment of
$239,280, to the Conservation Collier Land Acquisition Program
under the offsite vegetation retention provision of the Land
Development Code LDC Sec 3.05.07 H.1.f.vi.(b), at no cost to the
County, and authorize the Chairman to sign the Donation Agreement
and staff to take all necessary actions to close.
14) This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve a Collier County Standard Form Long-
Term Ground Lease and a Collier County Standard Form Developer
Agreement with MHP Collier II, LLC, to build housing that is
affordable at 6360 Collier Boulevard in a development known as Ekos
on Collier.
15) This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve a Resolution for final acceptance of the
private roadway and drainage improvements and acceptance of the
plat dedications for the final plat Oyster Harbor at Fiddler's Creek
Phase 2, Application Number PL20160000543, and authorize the
release of the maintenance security in the amount of $2,041,546.41.
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16) Recommendation to approve the release of a code enforcement lien
with an accrued value of $96,400, for a reduced payment of $894.20,
in the code enforcement action titled Board of County Commissioners
vs. Luis Rios Centeno, relating to property leased at 301 Fillmore St.,
Collier County, Florida.
17) Recommendation to authorize the Clerk of Courts to release a
Performance Bond in the amount of $735,293.15 which was posted as
a guaranty for Excavation Permit Number PL20220004687 for work
associated with Caymas Phase One.
18) Recommendation to approve final acceptance of the sewer utility
facilities and accept the conveyance of the sewer utility facilities for
Fiddler's Creek Plaza -US 41 Tumlane Offsite Forcemain
Realignment, PL20240002087.
19) Recommendation to approve final acceptance of the potable water and
sewer utility facilities and accept the conveyance of the potable water
and sewer utility facilities and appurtenant utility easements for
Caymas Phase One -Phase IC & ID, PL20230017303.
20) Recommendation to approve final acceptance and accept the
conveyance of the potable water and sewer utility facilities for Groves
at Orange Blossom Phase 2B, PL20240007175.
21) Recommendation to accept the Conservation Collier Annual Report,
provide an update on the program's past activities, and to solicit
acquisition proposals and applications from the public.
22) Recommendation to approve the properties on the Conservation
Collier Active Acquisition List (AAL) and direct staff to pursue
projects recommended within the A-Category, funded by
Conservation Collier Land Acquisition Fund.
23) Recommendation to approve a Statutory Deed between Collier
County Transportation Management Services Department and the
Conservation Collier Program for approximately 7 .51 acres under the
Conservation Collier Land Acquisition Program Exceptional Benefit
Ordinance to construct a stormwater drainage pond to be used as part
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of the Veterans Memorial Boulevard Extension Project, at a cost not to
exceed $1,480,114.
24) Recommendation to approve Agreement No. 24-024-NS with Gannett
Media Corp, d/b/a Gannett Florida LocaliQ, for the publishing of legal
and non-legal advertisements in the Naples Daily News and authorize
the Chair to execute the agreement.
B. TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT
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This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve a Resolution approving and authorizing
the Chairman to execute the FY25-26 Public Transportation Grant
Agreement (PTGA) 410139-1-84-08 with the Florida Department of
Transportation (FDOT) State Block Grant Program in the amount of
$2,422,884 providing for State funding for eligible Collier County
fixed-route transit administrative, management, and operational
expenses in the amount of $1,211,442, approve a local match in the
amount of $1,211,442, and authorize the necessary Budget
Amendments. (Collier Area Transit Grant Fund 4031)
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve an Agreement for the purchase of a Road
Right-of-Way, Drainage, and Utility Easement (Parcel 1508RDUE)
required for the Vanderbilt Beach Road Ext-Phase 2 Project (Project
No. 60249). Estimated Fiscal Impact: $18,200.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to award Request for Professional Services No. 23-
8196, "CEI Services for 16th Street NE Bridge," to Hardesty &
Hanover Construction Services, LLC, in the amount of $1,633,476.71,
and authorize the Chairman to sign the attached Agreement (Project
60212).
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve and execute the attached District
Agreement with Big Cypress Stewardship District (District) to
coordinate the construction and cost sharing of transportation
improvements at the intersection of Golden Gate Boulevard and
Desoto Boulevard.
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This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve an Agreement for the purchase of a
drainage easement (Parcel 153DE) required for the West Goodlette-
Frank Road Area Stormwater Improvement Project Phase 2 (Project
No. 60142). Estimated Fiscal Impact: $5,875.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to authorize the Chairman to execute a
Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the Florida Department
of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles for redacted crash data.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting. :
Recommendation to approve an Agreement for the purchase of right-
of-way (Parcel 1330FEE) required for the Vanderbilt Beach Road Ext
-Phase 2 Project (Project No. 60249). Estimated Fiscal Impact:
$43,800.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve an after-the-fact payment in the amount
of $52,168.50 to AIM Engineering & Surveying, Inc., for the "Palm
River Weir Replacement" project under Agreement No. 18-7432-CE,
"Professional Services Library Civil Engineering Category" for work
completed to the satisfaction of the County. (Project Number 60234)
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve an after-the-fact payment in the amount
of$395,513.10 to Coastal Concrete Products, LLC, d/b/a Coastal Site
Development, for the completed "Harbor-Holiday Pipe Replacement"
project under Agreement No. 20-7800, "Underground Contractor
Services" for work completed to the County's satisfaction. (Project
Number 50210)
10) This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve an after-the-fact payment in the amount
of $198,715.84 to Coastal Concrete Products, LLC d/b/a Coastal Site
Development for the completed "Forest Hills Boulevard Stormwater
Management Improvements" project under Agreement No. 20-7800,
"Underground Contractor Services" for work completed to the
satisfaction of the County. (Project Number 60224)
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11) This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to award Invitation to Bid ("ITB") No. 24-8260,
"Tree Relocations and Irrigation Installation from I-75 at Pine Ridge
Rd to I-75 at Golden Gate Pkwy Project," to VisualScape, Inc., in the
amount of $741,743.40, approve the necessary Budget Amendments,
and authorize the Chairman to sign the attached Agreement.
12) Recommendation to approve two Agreements for the purchase of
Parcels 101 FEE 1 and 101 FEE2 required for construction of the Lake
Park Flow Way Project (Project 60246) and to approve the necessary
Budget Amendment. Estimated Fiscal Impact: $583,550.
13) Recommendation to approve an Agreement for the purchase of right
of way (Parcel 1344FEE) required for the Vanderbilt Beach Road Ext
-Phase 2 Project (Project No. 60249). Estimated Fiscal Impact:
$7,051.
14) Recommendation to approve an Agreement for the purchase of right
of way (Parcel 1314 FEE) required for the Vanderbilt Beach Road Ext
-Phase 2 Project (Project No. 60249). Estimated Fiscal Impact:
$31,200.
15) Recommendation to approve an Agreement for the purchase of right
of way (Parcel 1376FEE) required for the Vanderbilt Beach Road Ext
-Phase 2 Project (Project No. 60249). Estimated Fiscal Impact:
$75,500.
16) Recommendation to approve an Agreement for the purchase of right
of way (Parcel 1301FEE) required for the Vanderbilt Beach Road Ext
-Phase 2 Project (Project No. 60249). Estimated Fiscal Impact:
$62,400.
17) Recommendation to award Invitation to Bid ("ITB") No. 24-8258,
"Davis Blvd Landscape Maintenance -Work Area 26," to Mainscape,
Inc., as the Primary Vendor, and Superb Landscape Services, Inc., as
the Secondary Vendor, and authorize the Chairman to sign the
attached Agreements.
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18) Recommendation to award Invitation to Bid ("ITB") No. 24-8253,
"Purchase and Delivery of Aggregates," to Grippo Pavement
Maintenance, Inc., J & Y Group Enterprises, LLC., and Quality
Enterprises USA, Inc., on a primary, secondary and tertiary basis, and
authorize the Chairman to sign the attached Agreements.
19) Recommendation to accept the award and authorize the Chairman to
execute Grant Agreement No. 24CO 1 between Collier County Board
of County Commissioners and the Florida Department of
Environmental Protection for funding reimbursement and support for
Collier County Beach Renourishment Projects.
20) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to execute
Amendment No. 3 to Agreement 20CO3 with the Florida Department
of Environmental Protection Bureau of Beaches and Coastal Systems,
Beach Management Funding Assistance Program, to increase State
funding by $107,000, for a total amount of $1,868,070.50, extend the
Agreement for one year for Dredging of Wiggins Pass, and make a
finding that this item promotes tourism.
21) Recommendation to ratify administratively approved Change Order
No. 1 under Agreement No. 23-8099 to utilize the Owner's Roadway
Allowance in the amount of $3,100 for additional Modified Fence
Gates and add 10 additional days for the Veterans Memorial Blvd.
Phase 1 -Noise Barrier Wall Project. (Project No. 60198)
22) Recommendation to award Invitation to Bid ("ITB") 24-8213,
"Rehabilitation of Bridges at Immokalee Road and North Naples
Canal and at Randall Boulevard over Golden Gate Main Canal" to
Thomas Marine Construction, Inc., in the amount of $1,392,434.40,
approve the Owner's Allowance of $111,000, and authorize the
Chairman to sign the attached Agreement. (Project 66066)
C. PUBLIC UTILITIES DEPARTMENT
1) This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners, as ex-
officio the Governing Board of the Collier County Water-Sewer
District, ratify administratively approved Change Order No. 2, adding
eleven days to Agreement No. 23-8187, with Powerserve
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3)
4)
Technologies, Inc., for the "33 Lift Station Panels Replacement"
project, and authorize the Chairman to sign the attached Change
Order. (Project No. 50280.6.4)
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners, as ex-
officio the Governing Board of the Collier County Water-Sewer
District, approve Agreement No. 24-031-NS, "Hach Lab Equipment,
Products, and Services," with Hach Company in an estimated amount
of $350,000 per Fiscal Year under a sole-source waiver for a period of
three years, with three one-year renewal options, and authorize the
Chairman to sign the attached Agreement.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners, as ex-
officio the Governing Board of the Collier County Water-Sewer
District, award Invitation to Bid ("ITB") No. 24-8269, "North County
Water Reclamation Facility Vactor Truck Disposal Modification &
Expansion," to Douglas N. Higgins, Inc., in the amount of
$591,320.00, approve an Owner's Allowance of $40,000, and
authorize the Chairman to sign the attached Agreement.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners, as ex-
officio the Governing Board of the Collier County Water-Sewer
District, award a Request for Quotation ("RFQ") under Agreement
No. 20-7800, the "Underground Contractor Services" for the "NESA -
Irrigation System" project to Douglas N. Higgins, Inc., in the amount
of $696,466, approve an Owner's Allowance of$50,000, approve the
necessary Budget Amendments, and authorize staff to open a Purchase
Order for the work. (Project 70194)
5) Recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners direct the
County Manager or her designee to negotiate and secure continuation
of existing best value services for Solid Waste, Recyclable Materials,
and Yard Trash collection with Waste Management Inc., of Florida,
and Waste Pro of Florida, Inc., and to bring back negotiated
agreements for consideration and approvals
6) Recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners, as ex-
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officio the Governing Board of the Collier County Water-Sewer
District, approve Agreement No. 24-056-NS, "ProMinent Equipment,
Parts, and Services," with TriNova, Inc., under a single source waiver,
approve expenditures for an estimated amount of $100,000 per each
Fiscal Year for the duration of the five-year agreement, and authorize
the Chairman to sign the attached Agreement.
7) Recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners, as ex-
officio the Governing Board of the Collier County Water-Sewer
District, approve Agreement No. 24-057-NS, "Endress Hauser
Products and Services," with Endress + Hauser, Inc., for a period of
five years under a single source waiver, authorize expenditures in an
estimated amount of $400,000 per Fiscal Year and $2,000,000 for the
term of the five-year Agreement and authorize the Chairman to sign
the attached Agreement.
8) Recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners, as ex-
officio the Governing Board of the Collier County Water-Sewer
District, approve an after-the-fact payment in the amount of
$152,032.21 on Pay Application No. 9 to Mitchell & Stark
Construction Company, Inc., for work completed for Change Orders
No. 4, 5, 6 and 9 under Agreement No. 20-7769, "SCRWTP Reactor
Tank 4," and make a finding that this expenditure has a valid public
purpose. (Project 70135)
9) Recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners, as ex-
officio the Governing Board of the Collier County Water-Sewer
District, authorize Budget Amendments to recognize $3,814,600 in
carry-forward revenues deposited in the Disaster Recovery Fund
( 1813) received from the insurance proceeds related to the Hurricane
Ian claims in FY24 and allocate $3,814,600 within the same fund
(1813) for Water-Sewer District recovery efforts.
D. PUBLIC SERVICES DEPARTMENT
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to award Request for Proposal (RFP) No. 23-8189,
"Professional Services for Administration of U.S. Department of
Housing and Urban Development (HUD) Entitlement Grants," to
Florida Housing Coalition, Inc., as the primary vendor, and to
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1)
2)
Northeast & Bucks Co., d/b/a Mullin & Lonergan Associates Inc., as
the secondary vendor, and authorize the Chairman to sign the attached
Agreements.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve after-the-fact Emergency Home Energy
Assistance Program Seventh and Eighth Amendment between the
Area Agency on Aging for Southwest Florida Inc., and Collier County
Services for Seniors Emergency Home Energy Assistance Program
FY24 to renew the Agreement for one year, replace Attachment II
Exhibit 5-Funding Summary (2024-2025); replace Attachment IX-
Budget Summary (2024-2025); recognize additional funding in the
amount of $12,371.73, bringing the total award to $328,918.78; and
authorize the necessary Budget Amendment. (Human Services Grant
Fund 1837)
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign the
HUD ESG-CV Grant Closeout Agreement to close out the Emergency
Solutions Grant-CV for the program year 2020. (Fund 1835)
3) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign the
First Amendment between Collier County and the Collier County
Housing Authority to amend Community Development Block Grant
Agreement #CD23-01 to add and fund a second Project Component
for additional required activities.
4) Recommendation to authorize the chairman to sign one (1) Release of
Lien for an Affordable Housing Density Bonus for a unit that is no
longer subject to the terms of the Agreement.
5) Recommendation to accept the Fiscal Year 2024-2025 Year 2
AmeriCorps September 11th National Day of Service and
Remembrance grant award in the amount of $196,561, allow the
County Manager or her designee to serve as the authorized
representative for the grantor electronic submission system, eGrants,
throughout the grant award period, and authorize the necessary
Budget Amendment. (Housing Grant Fund 183 5)
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6) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign an
agreement between Collier County and Renaissance Hall Senior
Living, LLLP, AgreementARP21-26 for $538,357 for impact fees
associated with the Phase II affordable senior housing project at the
former Golden Gate Golf Course to further affordable housing
initiatives provided through a grant from the U.S. Department of the
Treasury, State and Local Fiscal Recovery Funds (Housing Grants
Fund 1835, Project 33765).
7) Recommendation to approve a Fourth Amendment to Agreement No.
19-7500 with G.A. Food Services of Pinellas County, LLC, d/b/a G.A.
Food Service, to extend the term to provide services for the Senior
Food Program and authorize the Chairman to sign the attached
Amendment.
8) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign the
Second Amendment to the Community Development Block Grant
Subrecipient Agreement #CD22-02 between Collier County and The
Shelter for Abused Women & Children, Inc., to reallocate funds for
disaster-related expenditures. (Housing Grant Fund 1835)
9) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign the
First Amendment to the subrecipient agreement between Collier
County and Collier County Community Redevelopment Agency
(Immokalee) to amend Community Development Block Grant
Agreement #CD22-03 to extend the period of performance. (Housing
Grant Fund 183 5)
E. CORPORATE BUSINESS OPERATIONS
1)
2)
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to authorize expenditures under a single-source
waiver for a period of five years, from FY 2025 through FY 2029, in
an amount not to exceed $100,000 per fiscal year, to obtain Original
Equipment Manufacturer ("OEM") and non-OEM parts, supplies,
freight, and services from ETR, LLC ("ETR") necessary to maintain
County ambulances and emergency equipment.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to recognize the approval of the renewal term of
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3)
4)
Contract # 18-7341-WV and approve the expenditure through a single-
source waiver for a period of five (5) years for the purchase of Risk
Management Information System software from Riskonnect
Clearsight, LLC, for an amount not to exceed $176,127 per fiscal year
and approve any outstanding invoices.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to authorize routine and customary Budget
Amendments appropriating carry forward budget in the amount of
$16,746,548.29 for approved open purchase orders into FY 2025.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve an Amendment and Restatement of
Leasehold Agreement with the City of Naples Airport Authority for
the EMS helicopter MedFlight operation at the Naples Airport for five
(5) years with an option for a (5) five-year renewal.
5) Recommendation to approve the administrative report prepared by the
Procurement Services Division for various County Divisions' after-
the-fact purchases requiring Board approval, in accordance with
Procurement Ordinance 2017-08, as amended, and the Procurement
Manual, in the amount of $831.00.
F. COUNTY MANAGER OPERATIONS
1) This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to award Construction Invitation to Bid ("ITB") No.
23-8179, the "Collier Boulevard Boating Park Improvements" to
Kelly Brothers, Inc., in the amount of $1,224,873.00, approve an
Owner's Allowance of $50,000, authorize the Chairman to sign the
attached Agreement, and approve the necessary Budget Amendment.
(Project No. 80404)
2) Recommendation to award Construction Invitation to Bid ("ITB") No.
24-8255, the "Parking Lot Program Immokalee Sites" to Pavement
Maintenance, LLC., in the amount of $1,219,694.50, approve an
Owner's Allowance of $160,000.00, and authorize the Chairman to
sign the attached Agreement. (Project No. 50225)
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3) Recommendation to approve the conveyance of easement to Florida
Power & Light Co., to provide space for a pad-mounted transformer
and meter to deliver electric service at the new construction Collier
EMS Station No. 74 at 99 De Soto Boulevard South.
4) Recommendation to award Invitation to Bid ("ITB") No. 24-8246,
"Lift Station Preventative Maintenance and Repairs," to Florida
Utility Solutions, Inc., as the Primary vendor, and U.S. Water Services
Corporation, as the Secondary vendor, and authorize the Chairman to
sign the attached Agreements.
5) Recommendation to authorize the approval of $1,000 to settle the
EMS invoice regarding services rendered to Stephen Zelonka.
6) Recommendation to approve a request for a Tourism Impact Study for
the Sun-N-Fun Lagoon in the amount of $38,000 and make a finding
that this expenditure promotes tourism.
7) Recommendation to approve the transition from a 2COP (beer and
wine) license to a 4COP (beer, wine, and liquor) license for the
Paradise Coast Sports Complex ("Sports Complex") to allow for the
sale of liquor in addition to beer and wine consistent with operating
plans for the Sports Complex and FC Naples, and authorize the
County Manager or designee to sign the Florida Department of
Business and Professional Regulation application for the license
transition.
G. AIRPORT AUTHORITY
H. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
1) This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Proclamation designating October 2024 as Domestic Violence
Awareness Month in Collier County. To be mailed to Linda
Oberhaus, Chief Executive Officer, The Shelter for Abused Women &
Children.
2) This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Proclamation designating October 2024 as Safe Infant Sleep Month in
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Collier County. To be mailed to the Florida Department of Health
Collier County.
I. MISCELLANEOUS CORRESPONDENCE
J. OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS
1) This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve Amendment Five to Professional
Services Agreement No. 21-7936, "Professional Services for SAP S/4
HANA Implementation" with Phoenix Business, Inc., d/b/a Phoenix
Business Consulting for tasks related to SAP Success Factors
Workforce Job Scheduling for EMS 56 and Battalion Chief as well as
additional time and funding for the Board related portion of the new
integrated SAP time and attendance payroll platform in the not to
exceed amount of $392,539.00 (Project Number 50017).
2) This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Request that the Board approve a $300,000 partial release of funds
held in retention as part of the Mediated Settlement Agreement
entered into by Collier County, Florida and Manhattan Construction
Florida, Inc., on July 25, 2023, pertaining to the construction of the
Paradise Coast Sports Park.
3) This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Request that the Board approve and determine valid public purpose
for invoices payable and purchasing card transactions as of October 2,
2024.
4) This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
To record in the minutes of the Board of County Commissioners, the
check number ( or other payment method), amount, payee, and
purpose for which the referenced disbursements in the amount of
$39,030,441.71 were drawn for the periods between September 12,
2024, and September 25, 2024, pursuant to Florida Statute 136.06.
5) Request that the Board approve and determine valid public purpose
for invoices payable and purchasing card transactions as of October
16, 2024.
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6) To record in the minutes of the Board of County Commissioners, the
check number ( or other payment method), amount, payee, and
purpose for which the referenced disbursements in the amount of
$78,006,748.94 were drawn for the periods between September 26,
2024 and October 9, 2024, pursuant to Florida Statute 136.06.
7) Recommendation to approve Tax Collector request for advance
commissions in accordance with Florida Statute 192.102(1) for
FY2025.
K. COUNTY ATTORNEY
1)
2)
3)
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve a full value settlement plus shared court
costs of $2,018.50 and authorize the Chairman to execute a property
damage release to settle the lawsuit styled Collier County Board of
County Commissioners v. Abigail Arias Perez pending in the County
Court of the Twentieth Judicial Circuit in and for Collier County,
Florida, Case No. 24-SC-1661.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to appoint a member to the Bayshore Beautification
Advisory Committee.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to execute a
Settlement Agreement in the lawsuit styled Rita Gaffney v. Collier
County, (Case No. 23-CA-1514), now pending in the Circuit Court of
the 20th Judicial Circuit in and for Collier County, Florida, for the
sum of $25,000.00.
4) This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to appoint Michelle McLeod as a member to the
Collier County Planning Commission, representing Commission
District 4.
This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting.
Recommendation to appoint Michelle McLeod as a member to the
Collier County Planning Commission, representing Commission
District 4.
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5) Recommendation to appoint Lloyd Wirshba to the Infrastructure
Surtax Citizen Oversight Committee.
6) Recommendation to appoint Lisa McGarity to the Lely Golf Estates
Beautification Advisory Committee.
L. COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
17. Summary Agenda -This section is for advertised public hearings and must
meet the following criteria: 1) A recommendation for approval from staff; 2)
Unanimous recommendation for approval by the Collier County Planning
Commission or other authorizing agencies of all members present and voting;
3) No written or oral objections to the item received by staff, the Collier
County Planning Commission, other authorizing agencies or the Board, prior
to the commencement of the BCC meeting on which the items are scheduled to
be heard; and 4) No individuals are registered to speak in opposition to the
item. For those items which are quasi-judicial in nature, all participants must
be sworn in.
A. This Item Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting. :
Recommendation to adopt a Resolution approving amendments
( appropriating carry forward, transfers, and supplemental revenue) to the
Fiscal Year 2024-25 Adopted Budget.
B. This item requires that ex-parte disclosure be provided by Commission
members. Should a hearing be held on this item, all participants are
required to be sworn in. Recommendation to approve Petition VAC-
PL20220008282, to disclaim, renounce and vacate the County and the public
interest in a portion of the Pelican Bay Improvement District Drainage
Easement (P.B.I.D.D.E.), as recorded in Official Record Book 790, Page
1803, of the Public Records of Collier County, Florida, located
approximately 420 feet west of the intersection of Pelican Bay Boulevard
and Gulf Park Drive, in Section 4, Township 49 South, Range 25 East,
Collier County, Florida, and to accept Petitioner's grant of replacement
drainage easements.
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C. This item requires that Commission members provide ex-parte
disclosure. Should a hearing be held on this item, all participants are
required to be sworn in. Recommendation to approve a Resolution
renaming a platted street from Eustis Avenue, between S. 1st Street and S.
9th Street, to Howard Way. The street is located in lmmokalee, in Section 4,
Township 4 7 South, Range 29 East, Collier County, Florida.
(PL2024001003 8)
D. Recommendation to adopt an Ordinance of the Board of County
Commissioners proposing an amendment to the Collier County Growth
Management Plan, Ordinance 89-05, as amended, specifically amending the
Potable Water Sub-Element of the Public Facilities Element to amend Policy
1. 7 to reference the updated ten-year water supply facilities work plan, and
amending the Capital Improvement Element to change the level of service
standards for county potable water systems and county sanitary sewer-
wastewater treatment systems; furthermore directing transmittal of the
amendment to the Florida Department of Commerce. (PL20240000400)
E. Recommendation to adopt a Resolution approving amendments
( appropriating carry forward, transfers and supplemental revenue) to the
Fiscal Year 2024-25 Adopted Budget. (The Budget Amendments in the
attached Resolution have been reviewed and approved by the Board of
County Commissioners via separate Executive Summaries.)
18. ADJOURN
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October 22, 2024
MS. PATTERSON: Chair, you have a live mic.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Good morning, everybody. Welcome to
the commissioner meeting.
And I want to remind everyone to tum your cell phones off. It's
pretty embarrassing when it goes off, and it's way deep in your purse
or your pocket and you can't get it, and eve~ -dy's looking at you.
Ask me how I know.
So just a reminder, for the public safMllu: e've got a
three-minute. You've got a 30-seco 1
yellow light goes off, that's 30 se"i:'.NII~
goes off, that's nip it, nip it, nip i'
So with that, County Manager.
MS. PATTERSON: od mom
with our invocation and Alle g1
be by Pastor Kirt Ander
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INVOCATION B . STOR KIRT ANDERSON, NAPLES
COMMUNITY CHURCH
PASTOR ANDERSON: All right. Let's bow together.
Our heavenly, heavenly Lord, we may have heard about it or
seen it ourselves, but some magazine said that we're the happiest,
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healthiest, safest community in the United States. Guard us that we
swell with pride, for that pride will enable us to do very little.
Instead, may we be smitten by fear and humility, that we may work
hard and enter into the labors of those who've gone before us. Let
their efforts, who've brought us thus far, may we build upon their
good work and do what we must do to make ovis ion for the poor
and the prosperous to live their lives accor ·. to the high calling to
which they have been called.
We're not here today by accide ... -.,...,.
and prayer under your providenti_,..,....
ance but by work
: uide us, oh,
Lord, we ask in the name of you carnate love.
MR. WALKER: Good morn
the Pledge of Allegiance ..... ~
render a hand salute. For
over your heart and follow
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hank you.
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bit about the Veterans of Foreign
ollier County. You may not know us, but
ars . We are located near the intersection of
ne Ridge Road. Official address is 13131
Collier Boulevard.
Our VFW post serves all of Collier County and is the only post
to do so today. COVID caused the other two VFW posts to close.
They were Marco Island and downtown Naples.
We are 1,000 members strong, which includes our VFW
auxiliary, but most importantly, something to think about and help us
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with, together we must take care of our veterans. Your help is
needed. We ask your complete support to fund the Florida VA
nursing home in Collier County. This is the most significant veteran
project ever proposed for Southwest Florida. We are counting on
you to secure the federal funding for this important project. Your
support is urgently needed, and we salute yo or it. Thank you very
much.
Item#2A
APPROVAL OF TODAY'S
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....... ~M.L-"-"endm nt 2 concerning the right to hunt
is it ·s brought to the agenda by
, and you should have received a one-way
xecut:ive summary and the resolution last
Move Item 1 __ ~ to 11 D. This is a recommendation to
approve a statutory deed between Collier County Transportation
Management Services Department and the Conservation Collier
program for approximately 7 .51 acres under the Conservation Collier
Land Acquisition Program Exceptional Benefit Ordinance to
construct a stormwater drainage pond to be used a part of the
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Veterans Memorial Boulevard Extension Project, at a cost not to
exceed $1,480,114. This is being moved to the regular agenda at
Commissioner Saunders' and Commissioner LoCastro's separate
requests.
Move Item 16F6 to 1 lE. This is a recommendation to approve
a request for a Tourism Impact Study for the n-N-Fun Lagoon in
the amount of $38,000 and make a findin this expenditure
promotes tourism. This is being move ~f~
McDaniel's request.
One agenda note, Item 16A8
updated resolution was added.
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any ex arte on the consent agenda or
Ju -._ the regular I do.
: A right. Commissioner Locastro.
cDANIEL: Can you believe I did that?
Lo CAS TRO: I've got meetings and e-mails
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Consent. Consent and
summary.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Consent --yeah, on consent
and summary, I have nothing. Yeah.
CHAIRMAN HALL: All right. Commissioner Kowal.
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COMMISSIONER KOWAL: I have no changes to the agenda,
and I have no ex partes for summary or consent.
CHAIRMAN HALL: And, Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Mr. Chairman, I have no
changes to the agenda and no disclosure on the consent agenda.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Same as me; no anges, no ex parte.
MS. PATTERSON: Ifwe could get ,otion to approve the
agenda as amended.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chair, we
for a summary agenda item, 17C.
istered speaker
hear him now?
CHAIRMAN HALL: Yes.
MR. MILLER: Gerald How
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farming business since the '50s.
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,e community and have done a
community, I would hope that this
e family for what they have done
And tha or your time. Thank you.
CHAIR .___ LL: Thank you, Mr. Howard.
Do we have a motion and a second yet to approve the consent
and summary?
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: So moved.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Second.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Moved and seconded. All in favor, say
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aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HALL: All opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HALL: W el co 1
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speak --I hope my --I hope my
(Applause.)
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When I rca wa aching Sunday school, Huey didn't want to
go to church unda chool, and so he'd go check the cows. And
he and I'd stand •. tm.n,e and commune with the Lord at sunrise, and
he always had a bi ew of tobacco in. And we would have really,
really nice conversations in the early morning hours on Sunday
morning. And then he'd get to look, "Well, Ms. Dorcas is going to
want me to be to Sunday school, so I got to go," and off he'd go, and
he'd go to church. So my friend.
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Proposed Agenda Changes
Board of County Commissioners Meeting
October 22, 2024
Add On Item lOC: Recommendation to adopt a resolution in support of Proposed Constitutional
Amendment 2 concerning the right to hunt and fish in Florida. (Commissioner McDaniel's request)
Move Item 16A24 to llD: Recommendation to approve a Statutory Deed between Collier County
Transportation Management Services Department and the Conservation Collier Program for
approximately 7.51 acres under the Conservation Collier Land Acquisition Program Exceptional Benefit
Ordinance to construct a storm water drainage pond to be used as part of the Veterans Memorial
Boulevard Extension Project, at a cost not to exceed $1,480,114. (Commissioner Saunders' and
Commissioner LoCastro's separate requests)
Move Item 16F6 to llE: Recommendation to approve a request for a Tourism Impact Study for the Sun-
N-Fun Lagoon in the amount of $38,000 and make a finding that this expenditure promotes tourism.
( Commissioner McDaniel's request)
Notes: Item 16A8: After publishing the agenda, an updated resolution was added.
TIME CERTAIN ITEMS:
10/21/2024 8:48 PM
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Item #2B & #2C
BCC REGULAR MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER 10, 2024, AND
SEPTEMBER 19, 2024, BCC BUDGET HEARING MINUTES
MS. PATTERSON: Commissioners, t t brings us to Items 2A
and 2B. These were continued from the . ·er 8th, 2024, Board
meeting. This is approval of minutes £ · epte1n ber 10th, 2024,
BCC meeting and the September 19 C budget
hearings --hearing.
COMMISSIONER SA
approval of both items.
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ey're in the books.
AWARDS AND OGNITIONS -EMPLOYEES
I'll move for
MS. PATTERSON: That brings us to Item 3, awards and
recognitions. And before we get started with our awards for the
employees, we wanted to briefly thank the staff. We've had
back-to-back weather events here with Helene and Milton, and it's
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been a really tough rainy season as well.
So a huge thank you, and we'll say it again when Dan Summers
gets up here, to our teams, from the people in the call center, to the
Building Department who went out after the storm and did record
damage assessment, Stormwater, Road and Bridge, Water,
Wastewater, and anybody that I'm not namin oesn't mean that
we're not thanking you, all the county em es that came together
and helped our community during this
But specifically, from our Buil • epa: ent, Richard Long is
retiring on November 1st after 19 rs with the nty. He started
as an electrical inspector, then m d up to chief e ical inspector,
building division manager, and wa ally moted t
director in November of
Over the last 10 years:'l'il,.Jl'4:1,•~~'°~
459,360 permits and 2,428,
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That just seems like a lot.
ams for the last six major
Helene, with a preliminary damage
, with preliminary damage totals of
e efs assembled quick response teams to assist
Lee County the da 1 1 er Helene with five inspectors, and nine
inspectors were sent the day after Milton. Thank you, Rich, for your
leadership and the dedication of your team. And if you'd like to
come forward so we can get a photo with the Board.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: There he is.
(Applause.)
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COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Motion to disapprove the
retirement.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Thanks.
MR. FRENCH: We'll get a picture with him and then maybe
with his chiefs. Come on guys, real quick, t 1
• -se are the chiefs that
back him up.
MR. LONG: They do all the wor
COMMISSIONER LoCASTR •
CHAIRMAN HALL: The~
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER McDANI
out of him with all the --
MR. LONG: No.
k exhausted.
to fight.
et a speech
COMMISSIONER Mc..__A..L o speeches, okay.
MR. FREN
COMMI
First up we ·
Congratulations.
(Applause.)
'"UM~·
CHAIRMAN HALL:
give you this.
(Applause.)
Item #3A3a
That brings us to our employee awards.
attendee, Bernard Frerick, Wastewater.
You can go shake hands, and then we'll
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AW ARDS AND RECOGNITIONS -30 YEAR ATTENDEES
MS. PATTERSON: Next up we have Jonathan Harraden,
Emergency Medical Services, 30 years. Congratulations.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: · do you retire?
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: . He's like, "I'm out of
here."
COMMISSIONER McD A .
You've got to have the plaque.
MS. PATTERSON: Let's ge
(Applause.)
Item #3A4a, b, and c
Con .· ..
laque.
have our 35-year attendees.
~ Wow.
, Parks and Recreation.
(A
MS.
here for another
(Applause.) ~v
Thirty-five years, let's get our Parks up
Come on up.
MS. PATTERSON: We have another 35-year attendee,
Heather Sweet, Utilities Finance Operations. Congratulations.
(Applause.)
MS. PATTERSON: Don't run away. We're going to get
Utilities up here with you. I know there's a bunch of them back
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there. Public Utilities.
(Applause.)
MS. PATTERSON: Don't run away, Dr. George. Last but not
least, 35 years, Dr. George Yilmaz.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: ·t another 35 left in
you?
DR. YILMAZ: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Just a y l8'11,.ou•b
(Applause.)
MS. PATTERSON:
Oh, Heather.
COMMISSIONER
MS. PATTERSON:
Heather.
(Applause. ~~
MS.PAT
that you et •
·. come on.
tilities, and then let's get
ne . It's not 3 5 years
I had to convince him of that.
This.
Item #4A
PROCLAMATIO SIGNATING OCTOBER 25 -NOVEMBER
2, 2024, AS MOBILITY WEEK IN COLLIER COUNTY. TO BE
ACCEPTED BY BRIAN WELLS, DIRECTOR, PUBLIC TRANSIT
& NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT, AND OMAR DELEON,
TRANSIT MANAGER -MOTION TO APPROVE BY
COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL; SECONDED BY
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COMMISSIONER KOWAL -ADOPTED
MS. PATTERSON: Okay. That brings us to proclamations,
Item 4. Item 4A is a proclamation designating October 25th through
November 2nd, 2024, as Mobility Week in Collier County. To be
accepted by Brian Wells, director, Public Tra it and Neighborhood
Enhancement, and Omar DeLeon, Transit
Congratulations.
(Applause.)
MR. WELLS: Good mo
proclamation this morning. M
division director for Publi Tr
I want to encourag
Mobility Week, especial
November 2nd. ' h
with the electi ot -»'Alfl.84'i/Mrib..!8!!
they'd like to,
route service.
and get
you for the
I'm your
ncement.
to try sit on
it Day on Saturday,
and we're teamed
t and vote early if
rday on our fixed
ake that opportunity
that.
, we encourage you to try
with --have an excellent team. It's . mypnv
with CAT
• t gr . Many years they've been involved
ect, our paratransit, and it's my privilege to
very dedicated to making transit safe and
JLJL-.iijl,ll~.,. we can in our traffic here in Collier County.
So thank you . . the time. Appreciate that.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Thanks, Brian.
Item #4B
PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING THE INDIVIDUALS WHO
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FOSTERED ANIMALS FROM COLLIER COUNTY DOMESTIC
ANIMAL SERVICES DURING HURRICANE MILTON -MOTION
TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL; SECONDED
BY COMMISSIONER KOWAL -ADOPTED
MS. PATTERSON: Commissioners, T y's going to pull up
our photo loop here. But your next proc1 ... , .. --,1on is 4B. It's a
proclamation recognizing the ind ividua fostered animals from
Collier County Domestic Animal Se I s d . Hurricane Milton.
We do have a number of attendee ~::.1:rre, both vo eers, fosters, and
Ms. Meredith McLean, your dir r of Domestic il'W'll.:·rnal Services.
Congratulations.
(Applause.)
MS. PATTERSON:
(Applause.)
MS. McLE
numbers qui
are getting r
body . Don't be shy.
t to give some
• importance when we
elter for the storm.
we not been able to make it into
... ~Pl,t.L f ""-'rtant to get animals out of the
e can m imize the load and impact that
e of at the shelter.
kin .. of got with our volunteers. Jane,
who's not her fthe leaders on speaking with people and
seeing who they -•-.-'-'ster. We got 78 animals out of the shelter
within two days be e the storm. So that is a big feat to take on.
And not only did those animals get out of the shelter during that time,
many of them got adopted, and if they didn't get adopted, we got to
learn much more about them.
So I just want to give a second round of applause to the
volunteers and the staff who did that for us. Thank you.
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(Applause.)
MS. PATTERSON: Ifwe could get a motion to accept the
proclamations, please.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So moved.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Second.
CHAIRMAN HALL: All in favor, say
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: A
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO:
CHAIRMAN HALL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUND
COMMISSIONER KOW A
CHAIRMAN HALL:
Item #5A
UPDATEB
PI CKLEBA
PRE S 1
N, INC., ON
ITY PARK-
s to Item 5. 5A is an update
by tli -·on, Inc., on pickleball at Pelican Bay
Co~m1nu .
MR.~--'-"-"lomnu ioners, good morning. Thank you
for allocating ~n.~l"Yla__._' a.aa.___,ll your agenda for us this morning. My
name is Tony D I'm the president of Pelican Bay
Foundation, and l'L ined by Melanie Miller, our vice president.
MS. MILLER: Good morning. Thank you for having us, and
we're excited to share this update with you. Let's see if I can get this
to --okay. So the things we're going to go through is construction
management, our current timeline, fire access and work site updates,
upcoming town hall, review of contract dates, and then any
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comments and questions.
So our current progress on construction management, ORCO is
our owner representative construction observations, and they've been
hired as our lead owners' rep. Chris Hagan is here with us today as
well. And then we have gone out and received multiple bids.
We've chosen Ritzman as the court contracto nd Curran Young
Construction as general contractor. Thes.---, tracts are in final
phase of revision, and we hope to finali~..,.L e contracts by the end
of the week or next week.
And then we're in permits w·
sections. Josh Fruth is also civi
Some are in their second roun
answered. Josh is with
Mudgett Smith Architec
consistent from _ recons
through close-
nd permit
updated us.
ns to be
An Parker
e firms have been
on the project
MR. D1 ~:~ TN ~ ust an updated
version of o would have loved
nothi • mi~ ,.,,_,.____,,, and this entire facility
deli nBAI , ut unfortunately, our design
p roc ger th we anticipated, particularly
m,easur -,e have t_-_ ~ _ in _ area of sound attenuation.
But t our c _,-.....,...,t view. I'll give you the bookends.
Melanie alrea co1IDn ted on our permitting window. We'd like
to have our shov i e ground in December and be playing
pickleball son1e tim. June. It's about a six-month construction
window, which I think we think is very doable given the current
market conditions.
Also wanted to share an updated site plan. No substantive
changes since the last view, since our last update. We --per county
specifications, we added a swale, a natural swale on the south and in
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the east of the court facility. And everything else is located where it
previously was the last time you looked at this site plan. The one
thing we wanted to call your attention to is what we're envisioning as
a requirement for the build envelope and the construction envelope
that's depicted in the black square outline on the map. And as you
can see, this takes up nearly the entire park £ "lity and up to and, of
course, including the parking facility, whi e're going to be
expanding.
Also wanted to share just a --b
elevation of the --of the player p
n't included an
t for your
information. This is a slightly 1 er version of w had started
with, but we're anticipating high de
play activity, so we want make s
comfort area was generous.
facility --a shade structure o
portion, which y: t see in
there's restroo . and a all pr
providing in t an .· t ail £ the con • mers .
mand for
p aye aging and
11 fit the bill, a
lso in the enclosed
endering, but
e·'re going to be
M . ER.~~p!I ted to share information that
een · ose ly 'Wllltn..s f in Parks and Rec. We have
ic town li co up at • eterans Park administrative
October ___ -have promoted --they have been
promoted ugh Col County , and we're promoting within our
network as w We o held for our members at Pelican Bay town
halls in August, video remains available on our website for
members.
Contract dates. So the county and Foundation agreed to
improvements within 240 days of August 22nd. When the contract
was signed, that was completed; the courts being completed within
six months of commencing construction. That is our timeline; and
remaining improvements completed within 12 months. We expect
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everything to take --be in the six-month time frame.
And then Pelican Bay Foundation became concessionaire on site
as of April, and then we've also provided the entrance information to
county Parks and Rec, so those are all the contract dates and
requirements.
We're available for any comments and ,
CHAIRMAN HALL: Great.
MR. D'ERRICO: Commissi oner • , we thank you for the
time. We are thrilled to start this hri ll ed to finish this
project, and we're thrilled to un unty residents
and the members of Pelican Ba ·ty facility,
and you're going to be v ro
Thank you very m ·~IH,J
CHAIRMAN HA
Thanks, Michelle.
Item #5B
Summers, yo .... , ... 'ft-"
present.
MR. SUM
record, Dan Summers.
• 1ni ssioners, that brings us to Item 5B.
n after-action summary. Mr. Dan
f Emergency Management, is here to
Commissioners, good morning. For the
And, boy, I like being here talking to you after the event as
opposed to before the event. But one way or the other, we have an
opportunity to discuss some after-action items with you.
Troy, I'm not able --here we go.
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I want to take a moment and --as the County Manager
mentioned earlier to thank our partners. Rest assured that while we
had some very good operations, and generally successful, we know
that these hurricane events continue to impact lives, and folks are in
various stages of recovery, and we're sensitive to that. I want to treat
this event --and I hope you all understand th we treat this as a
marathon. A response is one thing. Rec is quite another.
And we're working really hard to make -a.n at every program and
resource is leveraged.
In addition to that, in my car
North Carolina roots, and seeing
ou know, I have
'"'"~llt'"e entire
Southeast with disaster response is • te g nkly, but
we are working together __ could no
community and the partne h -~, d the t
rou s
k that we have put
forward.
as to what's g
thanks to this go
we have ,
mad~uu.
am
yet a ,
I w
some chall
assistance.
ven
isibility statewide
nto • ·,er County, and a real
• on and Kevin Guthrie because
that we have made has been
.. ..-.-r-..:a i they have done some
to 40-some counties impacted
• i sa t er legal hotline. Sometimes folks have
ese times and might need some legal
Crisis Cleanu ntinues to be quite successful. That is an app
or a website on your phone that if you are struggling with some
recovery issues and cleanup issues, you can put in a request in that
crisis cleanup line, and non-profits will try to find an opportunity to
either serve you or find a civic group to assist you, and that's working
really well.
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And I am not an accountant or a CPA, but I thought it was quite
interesting that for some folks there will be some extensions with tax
filing this year in certain circumstances related to Milton. And,
again, that's very helpful for a lot of folks.
I want to thank you for the timely state of emergency
declaration. As I mentioned early on, the N • •1 onal Hurricane Center
was quite concerned about this storm, and t we don't want to have
is a meteorological surprise with a last-·nfilflWlw:-tum, changes in
intensity, and all of a sudden we're n : a po ·e in terms of
evacuation that we want to be at. than_k you that support.
We threw the dice a little b1 eing the storm ~1-.::.n tial in
impacting Port Manatee. This is a • , bi • ue . Po anatee
continues to come back s~=~ after sto ! e a challen for fuel.
And again, hats off to the , ... ~~ id and one, we will
have gotten, at no charge, ab fuel from the state.
Most of that true • from :C -~.::a,e,, a.
The Gov ~,1111: ,.. .... ,,___... 1 igation strategies
so ime to address that.
But, n fuel ordering because our
. It means that they don't get
e beca e quite congested, and deliveries
----• ... ,.T".f to the State. Not one time did we
Coun with the abundance of lift stations
ued operation that we had to have of those
plants on genera <-a"••-'Alftlr .. o power fluctuations.
ven ~~ ....
all o
got I_
run out
Our special-ne s clients were well taken care. We reached out
to them. We had about 2,900 people in shelters.
Landfall on Siesta Key is a Category 3. Our thanks, again, to
the Growth Management division and that team for putting together
rapid damage assessment, and the automation that they have put in
that process was roughly $280 million worth of damage that they
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have reported and found in Collier County. That does not
necessarily include some of our other infrastructure things, other
things that are ongoing such as storm drain management,
maintenance, cleanout, et cetera.
I've never seen a storm event with this much tornadic activity.
Very unusual. And as you know, some cata ophic damage in
Central Florida. Again, we remind the p , pay attention to these
alerts. They're quite serious, and as w aid before, in this
unstable weather environment, torna can up.
Seven hundred and thirteen t sand peopl rough the Collier
County portal of Alert Collier arr om the N ationa eather Service
messages that went through that po tified.
A carry-away here i t only 5 he re ts
acknowledged that on thei -l"N ..... ,_rut.~.j<;I.. We eed you to
acknowledge, and then that or that second and
third text goes a
Our 311
calls to hel
didn
team.
2.5 milh
of news and 1
gotten that team
different agencies t
and one message.
emer
te ...... -, .... !"'&!IW:11,,il~,..gel a as well, 2,234
n and those are 2,000 calls that
c,cess story, so 911 can
s r . se fro , the joint information center
nd t. -one posts on social media garnering
P eople look to social media for their source
especially in a disaster. And we've really
. in their efforts to --across the board with
1ake sure that we're out there with one voice
Spanish engagement was quite good, and 593,000 visits to the
county storm home page.
We always work to be self-sufficient in logistics. We only
made 21 requests of the State. Four of those were canceled because
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they were solved or addressed with other efforts. The fuel I have
already mentioned. And the partner missions. The agencies that
come together in our EOC, 56 agencies took 324 requests; 88 of
those were solved intergovernmental. In other words, I might have
needed some cones from Marshal that Marshal could have loaned to
the city and those kind of things. So workin _.s one group,
eighty-eight mission concerns were sol ve _ he bulk of those,
again, were commercial power.
Our lifelines, hats off to, again, er with all of
their power challenges and everyt -,st ewater spills
during the entire event. No pre e lost during th_ tire event.
Our Pollution Control team su mis 10n,
coordination with count -t. And ,~ .. ,.,e that was 1
somewhere between an -. d a 91 h in terms of where
fuel was goin an to k ~"U,g!w d running.
Hospital ~:,a ct with all the
hospitals. T ""--t.:llil:AII iod, again, on backup
generator d
reasons.
Sadly,
Collier Coun
ditional security and traffic
on stoplight traffic signal
Light for a number of
rtation world, there were two fatalities in
sidents lived outside the area but were
here.
Our roadway ding was well marked, well --the public, we
kept them informed, thanks to Marshal and his team with Road and
Bridge. The extensive sand overwash, which is not unusual
depending on the angle of approach with a storm, as you all know,
was quite extensive and a lot of work going on to push and pile that
sand and manage that, and obviously, we went through some
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low --low speed travel due to flooded roadways.
Ninety-one intersections had various contacts with generators,
and 10 signal techs from transportation working around the clock.
High-sustained gusts reported 60 miles --I'm sorry. Highest
gusts, 60 miles an hour, sustained 32, and our maximum storm tide of
5 feet --5.8 feet in Naples Bay reported by t National Weather
Service.
Outages, again, those numbers ce uctuate, but roughly
85 percent of the service area by bot ..... ~.,...,e Co-and Florida Power
& Light were impacted, and man
Asheville as well, and certainly
impacts to the entire state.
A couple of notewor
ours. Growth Manageme
available, that was a huge de
Again, unst
problematic, a
So those ar
that we ·1
-
recalled from
sandbag pro am --not
am that made sandbags
and lift stations was
adic activity.
u planning to make sure
-distribution or points of
distr ene d s quickly. I'm surprised and
pleas, -• er o._ -tail outlets here that had generators in
place. had an on-site generator program. Sam's,
Costco, so er major outlets, Wawa, all of those had
generators in pr~--~""•~~ -in place.
Our emerging __ saster Ready Collier County, our non-profit
group that is becoming an entity to work with all of our other
non-profits, continued to engage. You see in the picture here where
we were loading up some excess supplies that we had from the State,
and that was going to Captiva for flood cleanup. We have over 300
faith-based non-profit groups that we're communicating with now
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and leveraging those partnerships for various supply needs.
Debris, Kari's team over at Solid Waste have a program going
back to regular programming, if you will, for debris cleanup and,
again, bundle it, bag it, contain it. It may take her a day or two extra
to get these small limbs and things cleaned up, but that is part of the
regular collection process and at the collectio site --website there's
some more information, if needed.
For our residents, I can't stress the
that you register with FEMA. It do
resources. There are ways that t ,
individuals and families. They
it might be a little faster to register
number. 311 --our cou . 11 is ava
s enough. Make sure
but there are ---...·-
port to
ou go online,
e 800
wer tions, as
well as 211, to put you in t,_.~~L.ui th oth -fits.
If FEMA calls you or s _
We can't stress e , there
want to keep t ... 'C!!'II,..... • Y o ld!(4~
if they're comin
W ~p;: not
ond immediately.
e area. You
em on appointment
. ce h you.
n from the state Emergency
p a Disaster Recovery
t., them, and certainly, the
con . g 01 nwide with FEMA resources.
They're , .ing -ut it takes more to put a disaster
recovery ce • ill hear from them soon, and hopefully we
can get that ce .,......,......... airly quickly.
A lot of i , _ oing on, and now FEMA has a website to help
dispel rumors. Again, I think the team is working very hard.
Thanks to my EM team, Amy Howard, our planner, who put a
lot of this information together. Many divisions have submitted
additional reports to me, and there's a lot of information from GMD
and from parks. Unfortunately, it was not enough time for me
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to --or make this presentation much larger, but we have a lot of good
information, a lot of benchmarks from our other departments and
divisions but thought today you'd just like to have the highlights.
So I'm available to answer any questions or concerns that you
have. Again, my sincere thanks, and every time --every storm is
different, we learn something, and we put it that list and go to
work. So thank you.
CHAIRMAN HALL: All right. ~'1s, Mr. Summers. I've
got one question.
I want to go back to the resp~"'"" v .-.-• . .dO notices that
you get on your phone. You ar percent of the ~ He ?
MR. SUMMERS: Acknow le
CHAIRMAN HAL -.1..!fa,."""--
MR. SUMMERS: S}!l.Y'Prilll!iNo.._rl
but there's a way to ac
I understand •
to say, he
help
-n they didn't receive it,
ys I doesn't call you back.
.. ,,_..-.:aga this catastrophic
, we want those people
nowledged it, and that also
warning was communicated.
o , • that's --I think that's
rmp on ink it's ut of negligence. I think it's out
of ig .a. ¥--, • ..-. I n 't "" -d to respond, so I'd like to let the
public • . ou ge those tornado warnings, to
acknowled ~~~ t you don't get the repeated ones, but also, I
want to warn yo ._ .......... _., get lulled to sleep like the boy that cried wolf
with these tornado . 1 __ 1ings . Warnings today come from radar
indications. Used to, back in the day, if there was a tornado
warning, there was a tornado spotted, there was an actual tornado.
Everything else was a watch when conditions were congruent. But
tornadoes can come on you in a heartbeat.
And watch the sky, watch the clouds, and just use good common
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sense, and don't get lulled to sleep in these warnings because they
come --they come all the time. You're busy. You're doing things,
your phone goes off, and it is, it's annoying, and most of the times
they're negligent. They don't --they don't apply because we don't
have a tornado, but the time that we do, you need to be prepared. So
thanks.
Commissioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: .,,.........,,--you, Mr. Chairman.
then I do have a I just --I have a couple of ob
couple questions.
I think a couple of things
because we learn from eve st e some
similar things that seem
you've already brought
And I don't know •
something, yo
cleanup and t
know, count
effo
WOfi~NI"!
b ee
left o .cane ea
.IL-Li .. ""'. ri ty of •
know, they're rev en
ow nent , like
tten down.
: y , if we send out
though there's still
o • release, or, you
acknowledgment, but a lot of
g. . I mean, Trinity was
cr.~u~ . • d, especially in my district
ing areas . But we still have six weeks
bag never got wet except for rain. You
ive. We didn't get eight feet of surge, so
You know, people tend to just throw them the sandbags we
in the garbage, an . n they're all screaming for new sand and new
sandbags.
We mentioned at one of the meetings here before the hurricane
hit, you know, put them on the side of your house. You know, if you
took the time to wait in line for 10 sandbags, you might need 10
more, but at least you already have 10, you know, sitting there. I
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mean, it's an incredible waste of money if people are just emptying
that sand, you know, out in their backyard or throwing it somewhere
else because that was --you know, tons of sand and sandbags was
utilized.
And then also a little bit of swale education. You know, I can't
tell you the number of e-mails I sent out to fo I s that said, "I've got
water in my swale," and I said, "I know. s why you have a
swale, because that water would be in ~ ing room," and that's
what --the swale's doing its job. ou sa ·t perfectly, "Every
storm's different."
So there are some --maybe
here or even some that have been 11
I got were, "On the thre
faster. Now it's not.
and fix my swale." A
of reasons for
as you know
debris or w
have moved
the e-mails
wale dr : a lot
needs to get out here
. be a whole bunch
a previous storm,
__ _.._._ow , it could be
Jd be excessive rain, excessive
1 s storm. But I got a lot of
. , those were just three areas
__ • couple n out your EOC. You know, the
couple tim . I 1 • at , you ow , I v,e hopped in there a few times, it was
really impres that e n after the storm passed how robustly
manned it was • ~,....ow you had such a command as always. So
you have another h cane under your belt, but just standing in the
shadows and watching things happen was extremely impressive
seeing, you know, nearly every cubicle filled. I mean, it makes it
easy for us that if we really want a point-to-point conversation with
the key person, you go to the AOC [sic], you know, or at least call it
and, yet, you had key people there, even some additional folks,
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without mentioning names, that hadn't been there before in previous
storms, so you must have done a good job squeezing some folks.
I did want to give an additional shout-out to the 311 operators.
I didn't know what the number of calls was going to be, but you
nailed it by saying, you know, 2,000-plus calls, those would normally
go to 911. And just, you know, popping in . t room and just
speaking with them briefly, I mean, you · , they were keeping a
smiling face and getting some pretty er 11 . So I know those
folks that worked in that room, you
out to them.
A couple of questions her
you, but two things that o e
some lift stations that w -
have quite a few that aren ' , .
is, is that something that we
budgetary disco • e sho
power?
e are more for
we had
then ad --we
w, my one question
nd in our
ift station backup
And then a • ing around the county. You
kno ~h.i ~•~ oulevard, and some lights
wou "-"D\,11111'!,.! ,,,..,L L _,.,.._,""1r,,, ole bunch of sheriffs out
ther st use of a sheriff if the light
was wo , • ]y, . "-ight not working, the sheriffs need to
be there. • , when every light's out, you've got your
whole She ri f.--.... L,,. • .,.,. t playing traffic cop and not, you know,
doing some mor things.
But I was a li . confused that some lights were working, some
lights were out block by block, and then I think I traded notes with
Trinity, and she said, "Well, some of the key lights are on backup
power and some aren't." So that might be another data point that I
would assume we want to have as many lights, especially at the
major intersections. I mean, I was at a major intersection, and I had
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just missed a major accident. It might have actually been where one
of the fatalities was. It looked like it was something serious. The
sheriff was on scene, but EMS hadn't even gotten there.
And that was a pretty major intersection that you would think
would be on --you know, if we have a handful of lights, or maybe
more, on backup power, it's like, wow, you k w , that's not really an
intersection we can have --afford to go do
So, you know, it's not a di cussion
going to move $10 million here, but
to move around some funds for b -
thing can't be on backup power
some things from some storms
could really save 1nanp
and in some cases may
te yay or nay, we're
. points, if we need
• ize every single
e've learned
estment . . e inc 111ence ,
So I don't know • 1 ity walked here.
You know, I T,.--• on, but those were
two big take ~ n"fttl\,_1 .
MS. P ~~ er --e backup power for
additi orms.
tion with the power in
mething that was very
discussions about getting
Pu eally good job ever since
hurricane --a.~•u. ane Irma. When we had a lot of trouble
with backup po o t having enough, they have continuously
added backup gene ors, utilizing disaster money that comes in as
well as our own resources. So we'll continue to do that.
Trinity and I have already talked about that, too. There will be
disaster money that trickles down, you know, from the feds and the
State down to the counties, and this is a great use of those dollars.
So we'll look at where we want to strategically apply for grant dollars
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as well as prioritizing our internal funding to continue to get backup
power where it's needed.
The trouble with transportation, which I'm sure Trinity's shared
with all of you, is that you can't just roll a generator out there and
plug it in.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Rigb
MS. PATTERSON: There's more • involved with that of
how the backup power attaches to thos
we're cognizant of, also getting som _.· ...... "' ...
ultimately did from FDOT. So "_
that.
I don't think anybody exp
the electric, and the expl
we kept having these pr
post storm, an then o
struggled, yo
So it's something
...... 'WJ~e State, which we
e 're positioned for
oing pen with
about •. it was that
ve electnc one day
, and FP&L really
as well.
Sono
dollars bot
we will be pursuing
ransportation to continue to
.J',u"'v . Thank you.
Connm sioner Saunders.
_ S1t _ ERS: Thank you.
I just n 't have any questions. I just want to thank
our staff for a l rv-A .. "£T ell done. You know, as the storm was
approaching, I ... ~"'''1J..~ we were in good hands with our Emergency
Management folks __ , all of the partners that we participate with.
So I just want to thank you for that. A really professional job as
always, and I can tell you that most of us feel very comfortable
knowing that we're in good hands when storms are approaching.
I also want to thank the Sheriffs Department, because they were
out manning the intersections very, very quickly. I noticed on the
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first day or so people were very consistent and stopping at the
four-way stops, but after a couple of days, people started running
those lights --those areas just like they had a green light. And so
there may need to be some more public education on how to handle
four-way stops when there's a storm. But the Sheriffs Department
and our staff did an incredible job.
But I also want to --and I think, Dan •
spend a couple minutes talking about t ... .._· _
could maybe even
you mentioned
this, but one of the things that we al
counties, and I know that our fol
a team up to Lee County to help
think the public needs to know ma
do to help our neighbors. __ :...,-.
We do that, obviousl
when we are in need, we can
and help us. So if you oul .
two just lettin e puo know
County and also I orth o
our neighboring
elopment sent
ns, and I
t what we
ight thing to do, but also,
hors to come down
ding a minute or
• e help folks up in Lee
-re, because I know we sent
other events.
• ir, t . And it is one of those things
that really njoy doing. It's an opportunity
to pro e , a _ Ot's also a tremendous learning
envrronme et into major incident response.
So the .&.J ... ,.,.__ anage1nent community has a massive what
we call mutua ~n,_.1nent. We actually have a business process.
And so let's take, fi _ -xamp le, where we sent ambulance --EMS
personnel a strike team with North Collier, Fire, Collier County
EMS, other fire organizations. Our mass-casualty ambulance bus
goes together as a team under a mission or a work order where the
community or the State has requested that resource. And there
is --there's all of the paperwork behind it, but we are reimbursed for
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it, and we do travel up there under a mission request.
All of my Emergency Management colleagues in the southeast
region --Southwest Florida region, rather, we're very close. We
break bread together all the time. If we need to respond to help one
another, basically we have a standing order that if the Glades County
EM shop or Hendry County EM shop needs e relief, we'll check
in with the boss. We'll go in and go up t and relieve those folks.
But we also have a robust network, and 11 the way through
county partnerships, partnerships wi ffere tate agencies, and
even being on a FEMA recall list :AalllFV"lutual aid.
So it's a well-oiled machine. obody has to B~~__..__..barrassed
about requesting that assistance be e th tability in
what goes up and what c ~-.,.---~back. --number on , it's an
honor to serve. Number t • sue that if we have
excess or the availabili
will say, "He
days." Ifw
relocate ah
went .··
Beac
pa.tie
them to
provide th .
federal, state,
together.
ext-door neighbor
s for a couple of
eed --to help
u cane Michael, we
oved patients from Mexico
Alabama. So we moved
o Fort Walton, and we moved
it does work well. We're happy to
uch a team effort. And again,
r k --mutual-aid resources very well
COMMISSIO _ _ SAUNDERS:
job really well done --
Well, again, thank you for a
MR. SUMMERS: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: --and hopefully we won't
have any more hurricanes this season. But I know we're going to
have them, and so it's nice to know that we've got a good team in
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place.
MR. SUMMERS: We move on to the next hazard, and we'll try
to pay the bills for this one, too.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner McDaniel.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes, yes. I'd like to echo my
thanks as well.
MR. SUMMERS: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL:
everybody --
, a yeoman's job for
MR. SUMMERS: Absolut •
COMMISSIONER McD om. and
·ng with those that aren't in this room
you folks. To see the p
selflessness that's put ou
and I just want to sa th
I would --
message --a
need to sta
coming.
after
four-
mes .ag
Num
nto pl . e
it's an honor to me,
r ice
io t signalization, we
oone st to educate the populous as it's
r Ha n the radio I think the day
to treat a dark intersection as a
• t. I think we need to carry that
t o . . • s approaching.
• people to stay home. You know, this
We didn't have the after-effect of the storm was a
storm after it, in
the roads, and peop
de landfall. We didn't have the debris on
ere right out looking to see what was, in fact,
going on.
So give it a day after the storm goes. Give the system an
opportunity to catch up. And then from a messaging standpoint,
remind folks to throw out the anchor when you're coming to a dark
intersection just to --just to help with the safety aspect of things.
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I have a public service announcement for my colleagues here.
If Trinity Scott sends you on a message --or a mission to do storm
damage assessment, refuse. I was gone for two days in Eastern
Collier County riding those roads out there looking for trees and --
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Wild goose chase?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Y•ea Well, it wasn't a wild
goose chase. We did --we did determine . -e things where trees
were leaning and power was out and w s over the road from
the --from the swales. But just for info tion, if she contacts
you, tell her you're busy. So tha
MR. SUMMERS: Thank
CHAIRMAN HALL:
COMMISSIONER .llLW,r,J'V
I'd like to also take th /!//0-. 'ti'9MI
said up here, Dan and
All the organi
was my first
briefings in t
wher
was
EM ,
si tuatio1 nd every ·
task at han
hai
colleagues have
id at the EOC.
ly impressed. It
. o make your
e w ewe were at and
and then also the after-action
lie Safety, you know, our
erybody gets stressed in these
1t very professional and did their
The one 1 • • g --I n 't know if we really want to get in the
weeds on it, but -'""-:-r: .. ·'":~~-.::.'IC,.._ tried to put out --when we found out the
excuses coming fro . he power companies of what and why this
phenomenon was happening --because that was the majority of the
things I was getting asked about, you know, days after the storm.
And even myself, you know, I went through it myself. I had power
for eight hours, and then I had power for no --12 hours, then I'm
back six hours, and then 10 hours. It was just like a back and forth.
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I'd wake up and didn't know ifl was going to have power for the day.
But, you know --and I tried to put out what I thought was the
official, like, explanation. I don't know if it's something you want to
put out now on record, what --they were talking about saltwater
versus the fresh rain.
MR. SUMMERS: Well, we do general
infiltration on the system --and we saw a
of sand. You saw a lot of things. As
electrified aluminum and copper do __ , ___ _
have heard the discussion, and Fl -
do have some ways to basically
and those type of things. So we iiL ... "' .......
also know that in many c a phase "lWIBfl
still from a leaning tree on ~ r line t
or that phase could be dropp
[ mist. You saw a lot
w , saltwater and
ther. And so we
and Lee Co-op
the poles
on. We
n a might be
ot been caught yet
So there ar f those e a:_ ission strategies
that hopefully ... L_,,_fro1n Florida Power &
Light.
Re ~•~i \1111, .. ,""e've had significant recent
year ' ~ .. ..,.~ I don't think there's any utility
that te rep la e or rework in the coastal
envtr ~""·'"""' . w seeing a domino effect of maybe old
damages rbate _ by additional saltwater and storm
surge. I L ...... ~"'lil,'111.1.. g online --ongoing mitigation concerns for
our above-gro • again, what we have seen with these
fluctuations in bala __ ng the grid is also an indication of some
damage that they had at the substations.
And, honestly, we're even lucky to get power poles and
transformers and those kind of things right now based on what's
happened with the hurricane history in the Southeast just this year
alone.
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So I'm not giving credit, and I'm not giving blame. I think there
is a situation here where some additional analysis --we need to hear
more from FP&L and Lee Co-op.
And again, these fluctuations have been damaging equipment.
These surges, we know, have caused some challenges at medical
facilities just in the last week. It was impacf pump controls as
well; hence, the reason to stay on generato wer for so long. So
hopefully this is something we can afte with Lee and --Lee
Co-op and FP&L.
CHAIRMAN HALL: So I
that.
MR. SUMMERS: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN HAL
local government has f;
health, safety, and wel
regarding the
managemen
over FPL?
m the public ying that
se it's our job to protect
equality of life
, what kind of
. ..LRlll,,,,,.,.""""1ve. , at kind of supervision
if any, do we have, or are we just
• ave no regulatory authority
that one more time.
We have no regulatory authority over the
Primarily that's related to rate structure.
~r:;.y", .. ~.d the state has to approve any disaster
restoration funding well from the utility.
So we are part of that free-market environment; however, I'm
going to tell you they cooperate with us very well. They're an
integral part of our EOC teams. They quickly acknowledge phone
calls and e-mails. Just this morning, 40 minutes before voting, we
had a library out, and we called the calvary, and the calvary showed
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up and got power back on eight minutes before voting started. So
we had those kind of things. And so I will say that they are
responsive and cooperative.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Great. Thank you.
Commissioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: . I just skipped
over something in my notes.
But to Commissioner McDaniel' ~"'"... prior to the
hurricane getting out the best info ~~= an, you know,
we're learning from every sto confusing in
my district was the shelter ann
some citizens out there --mor
school is an automatic s
So I actually got b en the shelters were
announced sayin ou • ...... _.,._mmarize them, but
this is what th
comm1ss1oner
their districts.
e w t out of the five
ma.r ·-•-,....ugh to put shelters in
·-you know, we have two big
n 't they announced as shelters?
evacuation Zone A. So just
e's Od"¥"',E:,, .... · in t front of the building that says
·t F o .. _nox. It depends where it's sitting.
u to Be in a shelter, and you're waist deep in
surge. But when we announce the shelters,
maybe a little no-~-k!.-u~,,... bottom that explains why these are the
shelters, because tli · -were people in my district that automatically
thought every school should have been a shelter. And so I was
getting notes, "Why are so few schools being announced as shelters
in District 1 ?" And it's because, well, because 60 percent of
District 1 's under mandatory evacuation. You live in A and B.
And, "Oh, by the way, why are you sending me an e-mail from your
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home? You're supposed to be gone."
But, you know, I try to help educate folks a little bit more in my
newsletter and whatnot, but when --you know, when we send out
announcements before these storms reminding people, you know, like
I was saying, not to ditch their sandbags, acknowledge the 311 calls,
this is why there's shelters, here's what you d ta four-way stop.
We did some of that, but the more we can ,........,. in a robust
manner --and then I know that all five ~... en piggyback on
whatever the county sends out eit • dual e-mails or
newsletters or however, you kn the public, and it
all sort of helps.
But the shelter thing was -
that they were announce ~L--""
confused thinking aut o .•
MR. SUMMERS:
remember, I h
possible. So
we run from
helter.
ell. But
e VJ,UK't effects and, certainly,
_ on high and dry. I
ces , backup generators, those
• available.
ve certain statutory things in
co _ ction and things I ask the school
district. I get good support from the school district,
and they co very robust buildings. But it's all about
location, locat · u~?!?n.;.:~·•.;ion, and that's why we have those the way that
we do. And we taffbased on our risk analysis at the time, and
we were spot on with the number of buildings and personnel that we
had.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yeah. And correct me if I'm
wrong, Dan, there could be a school that may appear robust to
citizens, and it's in an area that's not evacuated, but you just sort of
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answered the question. It actually might not have certain things --
MR. SUMMERS: Right.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: --that are required to make it
a safe shelter, because that was some of the other notes I got of
schools that weren't in evacuation areas. Why isn't it a shelter?
And I might have traded notes with you or • o ebody in the EOC,
and I got that exact answer. It was that th hoo l is missing certain
things. We just don't unlock the door, u really strategically
pick the locations --
MR. SUMMERS: Correct.
COMMISSIONER LoCAS
unlock the door and it's an instant
MR. SUMMERS:
COMMISSIONER L . you, sir.
MR. SUM I
the time and
CHA I ·
schoo
Absolutely. Thank
all very much for
PUB
CURR
_ ERAL TOPICS NOT ON THE
A
Commissioners, that brings us to Item 7,
public comments o eneral topics not on the current or future
agenda.
MR. MILLER: We have one registered speaker at this time,
Garrett FX Beyrent.
MR. BEYRENT: For the record, Garrett FX Beyrent.
I'm just here because Commissioner Locastro started something
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a couple years back. It was a great idea. It was a shout-out to
people that did great things for --I thought that was really cool. I
hadn't seen that in all the years I've been up here. And I thought,
that's pretty neat.
And what do you think happens? My car breaks down,
and --because I can't hear out of --I have ho • tzer hearing. It's a
military problem you have when you can't r a specific noise,
which is everything in my car, because an old car.
Anyhow, long and short, my ba ,,....-,_.., wen ad while I was
talking to some real estate people • Starbucks, d then I went out
and I got my jumper cables. I t . ht, "I've got to d myself a
policeman."
And I was used to fi ·
because those guys are al
thing, because it just happen .
policeman, and 12-£
cables, and I h
never done that
St ephen
eve
thought
Starbucks .._._.~
a1;;;1Jmat are con1m ·ity cops,
It's like a --it's a scary
...,.._..,IJ behind this
r 1 heavy-duty jumper
~~ ndic g). I should have
And this policeman's name is
ere today and swear that
, and he educated me. And I
a ay of that event, which was in a
ce their coffee, but some people
et run over all the time in parking lots
But long and s i .. , he says --he says to me, you know, when
you're out in the road, people don't realize how fast cars go now,
electric cars, which I spent my last weekend in, in a Tesla, riding up
and down streets all over the place delivering pizza to poor people.
It was because the car was driving itself, and it was slowing down
when it got behind other cars, and it was going the speed limit.
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And long and short is, this is what I promised Stephen Smith. I
said, "You know what, people need to slow down in that particular
situation."
Right after the hurricane, I was at Wiggins Pass Road, and
somebody moved the stop sign into the median. They thought it was
blocking somebody. And, of course, crashe ,Jl over the place.
So as far as that goes, Stephen Smith ,__w.JJCd his name is
S-t-e-p-h-e-n, Smith. And Stephen's b w enforcement guy
riding around in cars for 27 years. he 's still alive. It's . amazing.
Thank you very much. Th
exactly what you told me to do. B
• . I did
MR. MILLER: Th • the only ~,NIJ" e have • at item.
MS. PATTERSON: e have about 15 minutes
to the court reporter break. er than start the
land-use, perl1 aR take
fores try here.
other, and then VV-. .... J
C '
, and maybe one
n a land-use.
OS T D BY THE FLORIDA
DEPART CULTURE AND CONSUMER
SERVICES, ,._,.~~~ • OREST SERVICE, AND THE
MANAGEMENT ADVISORY GROUP FOR THE
OKALOACOOCHIE SLOUGH STATE FOREST ON THE DRAFT
IO-YEAR LAND MANAGEMENT PLAN OF THE
OKALOACOOCHIE SLOUGH STATE FOREST -PRESENTED;
FOR FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO WRITE-IN SEND MAIL
TO 10941 PALM BEACH BLVD., FT. MYERS, FL 33905
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MS. PATTERSON: All right. Item l0A is a recommendation
to promote a public hearing hosted by the Florida Department of
Agriculture and Consumer Services, Florida Fore st Service, and the
Management Plan Advisory Group for the Okaloacoochee Slough
State Forest. I thought I was going to really ess that up.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: 0 ough. Just say OK
Slough.
MS. PATTERSON: Okay--o
management plan of the OK Slou
This item is brought to the
COMMISSIONER McDANI~--.
MR. WESTON: G
resource administrator wit
Caloosahatchee Forestry Ce
come speak in fr~~
ear land
son, stry
rv1ce,
te the opportunity to
1s u y Picayune Strand So the bi
State Forest •• ect is getting ready to close out,
and
t ore t land also in Collier that
you branches around it, but
Oka _ , st. Mostly in Hendry County, their
2,000-acre _ ad it since 1999. And it's the
lesser-used fo I want more of a traditional forest, et cetera,
planted pine, lot ey, deer, nice places to ride your bike, et
cetera. But as pa . _ this whole process, we do have a 10-year land
management plan that we open up for public comment and also asked
Commissioner McDaniel to attend the --it's the --excuse me --the
Management Plan Advisory Group, so we have a selected number of
individuals, some conservation groups, private landowners that we
invite, and also soil and water district folks, et cetera. But at
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10:30 a.m. on November 19th, we'll have a public hearing at the
Hendry County Extension Office. So that's 1085 Pratt Boulevard in
LaBelle. And then at 1 p.m., the Management Plan Advisory Group
will meet.
One quick change for folks that are doing a --writing in, the
address in here should be my office address • 0941 Palm Beach
Boulevard, Fort Myers, Florida, 33905, fo • n comments.
But with that, we're very fortunate r with Collier
County on all these activities along
partners, and I'd be open to any CJ:'.:;;:n. s if there are
any.
COMMISSIONER McDAN~ ... -ing this
morning. I really apprec •
community --I mean, our Mc."1!.f:t:'11"
else. And these IO-year ma
access, public u
your tax do ll
management pt _
d~dlt. to stress to
, is a godsend, if nothing
imperative for public
'""U'Ullll "at are bought with
p...u-.c age in these IO-year
N o~~ hav ~~ "'tion. Start scheduling your 10-year
1-,w-.Di.i o . mber. I have --I have an
env ~~~ U.Al,11..,y that l be on myself in another part of
the c • . ren • as volunteered to come in and serve
1n my p on th at And I'm making a joke, by the
way. It's a me to be on the Picayune State Forest
IO-year 1nana · r:.:;~~ n and did the same thing, so ...
But I will a . er my office as well. If anybody who utilizes
our state forest system has any suggestions or any --any way that we
as a community can enter into the management plan --because it
takes time. You have to have it in the plan in order for it to be
effectuated.
Anything that we can do as a community to enhance the public
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access to these state lands, please, let us know, and thank you for
coming this morning.
MR. WESTON: Great. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN HALL: l0A--or l0B.
Item #l0B
STAFF TO INITIATE THE PROCESS ~IAlSTALLING A SAFE
HAVENBABYBOXATACO I OPERATED
EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERV: TI ON AND
APPROVE ANY NECESSARY TS -
MOTION TO APPROVE BY CO
SECOND ED BY CO -!ONER OVED
It's a r,ecomm
installing a sa
emergenc ... -,
budg
Co, .. ,.,. •~Bli'I
~~~ • nitl the process of
ftN.W1wned and operated
_ tion and approve any necessary
ught to the agenda by
.L.L.J..11...racio. Right. es. I wanted to bring this up
uch ing edge as far as opportunities for
moms w their child up and they don't feel like they
can raise tbe:~=~c~1'!-lace --a safe place that they can do it. It's
anonymous. .:;-~~,~_:-1~/!/!f• that are placed in these boxes will be
adopted with a clo -_-adoption so the parents or the birth mom and
dad never know where they're going to go, but they feel good that
they've left them in a spot that's better than where they were.
So we have one registered speaker, very important registered
speaker.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Oh, no.
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MR. MILLER: No. I have a video.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Well, we have a registered speaker with
the video.
MR. MILLER: Oh.
MS. HALL: We probably didn't --
MR. MILLER: Oh. She doesn't requi • a slip, sir.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Y ~.......,ve three minutes.
MS. HALL: Good morning, Co , • ners . Okay. I'll
hurry. Good morning, Co1nmissi on . So t want to say, first
of all, thank you for all your hard ,dlllM"lr one knows how
hard you work, it's me, because behind the cen and I know it's
a lot of effort.
But I just wanted to
approve the first baby box
be at a fire station. We've I:,,
Klatzkow. It's
But, an
of baby boxes, a
to in ta&,l~.· ~~~~~ as f o ...... _,.,,
eration this ming to
ier County, which would
Chie f Choate and Jeff
eo of a success story
as r your consideration
ut a ba y in the box. It actually
wor _ ---1 sed it.
So pita with her. We get to the hospital, go
straight to · D unit. I hand the baby off to the nurses
so they can do "rl!M!,l,,½,..rw'l....,..,...ff they do at the hospital. And I pulled the
doctor aside, and I asked him, like, when's the case worker going
to get here? Because I would like to adopt her.
Me and my wife have been trying to have children for the past
decade without any luck. We're certified to adopt children in the
state of Florida. We have our approved home study. All we need is
a child.
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It's been amazing every day. Me and my wife still look at each
other and just go, like, "I can't believe, you know, we have a child."
We try not to take a single moment for granted because we've
been waiting and praying so long for this to happen. You know, it's
not about my wife. It's not about our journey to have kids. You
know, it's not about me being a first re pond __: It's about, you know,
this beautiful little girl who was given a c· -_ e at life and that, you
know, she's been adopted, she's loved, efuU y her birth mother
sees it and recognizes that, like, she • ,e ri thing, that she
doesn't have to worry anymore. uaught er's er daughter's
taken care of and is --and is lov eyond words c ven describe.
(The video concluded.)
COMMISSIONER
CHAIRMAN HALL:
COMMISSIONER Mc ...._&..L . need is one.
CHAI . L : ..,.-~, example. That
a',}ljfl"..&111e , ..,,....,, __ 1F11e that had been baby box
impleme
know, the
location.
cation, so it inspired me.
dge thing. This is new in the
ts --•. ing to put this at Station 7 6 at
And our initial thoughts were we
. in _ • cat ion where it would be highly --you
more to where it would be used in a
se this location because the thought was that
if a mom does drop -r baby off in the box, she could --she could
walk away knowing that she's left her baby in a better situation than
where she came from. So we've chosen Station 7 6 to put this baby
box in.
So I will make a motion to allow staff to get this in motion and
approve it.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Second.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'll second. Yeah.
CHAIRMAN HALL: All in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS:
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: A~
CHAIRMAN HALL: Oppose
(No response.)
COMMISSIONER McD
CHAIRMAN HALL:
COMMISSIONER that we proved
it. And there is privac
So the --there's anon
ot mistaken, with this.
t the same time. So
r somebody that's there's no --th
bringing a ba
CHAI ·
questi o~1
-~~
child
ther
good thought and a good
t mothers can drop their
a e station, or a hospital, but
Right.
: And this allows the mother full
anonymity an no harm, no foul, and it's a happy ending
for everyone. ...,.,.._"-~ --that's why we wanted to do it.
COMMISSIO _ McDANIEL: Well, thank you for bringing
it forward. I like it.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Thank you.
So why don't we go ahead and take a court reporter break, and
we'll come back at --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Let's whip out l0C and be
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done.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Whip out 1 0C?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yeah, 1 0C will be a quick
one.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Gotcha.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL:
overstep my bounds, but it's -
Item #l0C
RESOLUTION 2024-209:
PROPOSED CONSTIT TI
CONCERNING THE
MOTION TO APPRO
SECONDED B • -•• •
air, I don't mean to
ORIDA-
CDANIEL;
PTED
•~~n't even see l0C.
I won't read 1 0C. I feel a
versation with Rep Mellow
this constitutional
ame friends shared that several other
coun tie We've done a couple of resolutions in
support o .. sition of some of the amendments that are
coming f orw --but this has to do with Amendment 2,
and this codifie ~~,.-·Y to what I was talking about, the right of
Floridians to hunt a fish in our state, and it codifies it into the
Constitution.
And I --I was delinquent because I was speaking with Lauren,
and she was like --well, how come --"How come your board hasn't
done a resolution?"
I'm like, "Well, usually somebody asks."
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And so the County Attorney was very assistful (phonetic) and
the County Manager in sending it out as a one-way. I apologize for
the delinquency. But with that, I'd like to make a motion for 1 0C as
written.
CHAIRMAN HALL: I'll second it.
Motion and second to approve this reso1 ion to support hunting
and fishing forever in Florida. All in fav \UIUo u· y aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL:
COMMISSIONER LoCASTR •
CHAIRMAN HALL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SA ~...,
COMMISSIONER KOWAL:
CHAIRMAN HAL
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HALL:
COMMIS S
reporter --
MS. PAT
C
an go to court
r .
ome back at 20 till; 10:40 .
. m. to 10:41 a.m.)
ave a live mic.
ARTIST OF H -ARTE VIVA FOR THE MEXICAN
DAY OF THEDE
MS. PATTERSON: Before we start land use, I just need to
direct everybody's --I missed the Artist of the Month. And direct
everybody's attention to the back of the room.
The October Artist of the Month is the Naples, Marco Island,
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Everglades Convention and Visitors Bureau with the display of
artistic contributions of the Hispanic community for Arte Viva, a
celebration of Hispanic arts and culture. Now in its third year, this
year-long celebration kicks off the first weekend of November with
events that celebrate the Mexican Day of the Dead. Community
activities will include music concerts, visual ts exhibitions,
dramatic performances, food festivals, pub'· rt installations, and
more.
Arte Viva has been a co llaborat ·
culture organizations and hospi 1
-
coast.
The festival has been reco •
festival and event associ
acknowledging its inno
For more informati
Item #9A
of many arts and
• lorida's paradise
0 .-~ -"""'"'"~ ~~ ~.L CE OF THE BOARD OF
co T ~ RS NDING THE COLLIER
CO EMENT PLAN TO CREATE THE
MATT , IL RESIDENTIAL SUBDISTRICT TO
ALLOW ~w-L.L~r-.-n,tlltil!f'#D ENSITY OF 150 MULTIFAMILY
RENTAL 1 -H'!iY_._AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE
SUBJECT PRO PE _ • IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF
VANDERBILT BEACH ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 825 FEET
FROM THE INTERSECTION OF VANDERBILT BEACH ROAD
AND LIVINGSTON ROAD, IN SECTION 31, TOWNSHIP 48
SOUTH, RANGE 26 EAST, COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA,
CONSISTING OF 5.88± ACRES, PL20220001010. (THIS IS A
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COMPANION TO ITEM #9B) -MOTION TO APPROVE BY
COMMISSIONER HALL; SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
MCDANIEL -ADOPTED (COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS
OPPOSED)
Item #9B
ORDINANCE 2024-45: AN ORD
FROM A RURAL AGRICULTU
A RESIDENTIAL PLANNE
ZONING DISTRICT FORT
MATTSON AT VANDERBI
CONSTRUCTION 0
UNITS WITH AFFO
LOCATED O THE
ROAD,APP
INTERSEC
LIVINGST
RA
PL2_~
A.8~ O R THE PROPERTY
G DISTRICT TO
I T (RPUD)
OWN AS
IL J\L
ROPERTY
ILTBEACH
E ROADAND
31, TOWNSHIP 48 SOUTH,
5.88±ACRES,
ON TO ITEM #9A) -
M O
SEC
Y CO IS SIONER HALL;
COM
NER MCDANIEL -ADOPTED
S OPPOSED
. And with that, we are now at our
advertised public h . 1ngs, Item 9. I will read both 9A and 9B into
the record at the same time. And these were continued from the
January 23rd, 2024, BCC meeting to the September 24th, BCC, and
further continued to the October 8th, and continued now to today.
First, 9A is a recommendation to approve an ordinance of the
Board of County Commissioners amending the Collier County
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Growth Management Plan to create the Mattson at Vanderbilt
residential subdistrict to allow a maximum density of 150
multifamily rental units with affordable housing.
The subject property is located on the north side of Vanderbilt
Beach Road approximately 825 feet from the intersection of
Vanderbilt Beach Road and Livingston Road ·, Section 31,
Township 48 South, Range 26 East, Co lli_ unty , Florida,
consisting of 5.88 plus/minus acres.
Its companion, Item 9B, also co~llll'.-~-
previous meetings, this item requ •
provide ex parte disclosure. It's
ordinance for the property from a
• ~her to
·-rove an
istrict to
a residential Planned Uni _~_velopmen~11-amn stnc .he project
to be known as Mattson • bilt _
up to 150 multifami r
property locat
approximate I
Road and Li
Ran
How construction of
ous1ng on
ach Road
nderbilt Beach
, ownship 48 South,
• 1nus acres.
tand and be sworn in by the
e.
Do you swear or affirm the
testimony .
but the truth?
_ _ e truth, the whole truth, and nothing
(The speak -VV..11.51UII' duly sworn and indicated in the affirmative.)
MS. PATTER : Very good.
Commissioners, ex parte.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner McDaniel.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. I have --I have ex
parte on both, A and B.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner McDaniel.
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COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I do, too, meetings and
e-mails.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner Kowal.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: I also have meetings and
e-mails.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner S • nders .
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: T you. I also had
e-mails and meetings on both items.
CHAIRMAN HALL: And I h
on both items.
MS. PATTERSON: Conn
the public that intend to s eak,
in by the court reporter.
Sorry, Terri.
THE COURT REP
testimony you
but the truth?
The s
Mr.
e-mails, and calls
--iAL or affirm the
1 e truth, and nothing
and indicated in the affirmative.)
We'll begin with
you.
or t • -cord Rich Yovanovich on behalf of
the app 1 . • cant 1s a limited liability company that
acquired t ,.........,,r,, ut two years ago, and David Stevens is the
applicant's rep . Andy Bollig with Roers Acquisition,
LLC, is the actual eloper of the property and will go through the
details of what that proposed development is. I think this is Roers'
second or third project in Collier County.
I'm the land-use attorney on this project; Mr. Arnold is our
professional planner; Mike Delate is our engineer; Jim Banks is
participating by Zoom. He's our transportation consultant; and
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Marco Espinar is our biologist on this project.
I'm going to do kind of an overview of the property, an overview
of the details of the proposal with regard to income-restricted units,
and then have Mr. Arnold kind of do a brief overview of the master
plan and then open it up to any questions.
The property is located on the north side · f Vanderbilt Beach
Road just to the east of Livingston --Li vi . n Road. It is almost
six acres in size. And as you can see erial photograph, it's
the site of a former vet office and a £ rm. To our right
is a senior housing facility, and to • ior housing
facility. Those two senior hous ' he right,
Sandalwood, is 25 units per acre, w..LJL~ll'}l;-L.L 4 units
per acre, and then the apa ent comp ni ts per
acre, and Village Walk is i~llll'lill!i .. ,..,.irec t i.o . • • ht here, also one of our
neighbors.
What we're
project, and w .. • R .. LI.
150 multifamily
Un~-
ame .::::~.':!. s su 1ct.
a e a multifamily
e will be a total of
ement Plan, 59 units can be
ny affordable housing density
owth Management Plan
W g to _ o is go to 150 units. We have to do a
Growth Ma ~~~ amendment because on your Growth
Management Pla: ,,.,.,. ... ·-an't get above 16 units per acre with an
affordable housing sity bonus in this particular area of Collier
County. You can get up on 25 units per acre with an affordable
housing density bonus in other areas of Collier County, but not in this
area. So the purpose of the Growth Management Plan amendment is
to allow us to attain the overall project density of 25 units per acre.
There were questions about --so that's a 91-unit-per-acre bonus
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over what --the 59 that occur today as market-rate units.
There was a question about the original proposal which had 30
units --30 percent of the units set aside as income-restricted units.
With your --I'll call it the standard request of 50 percent of those
units to be at the 80-percent-and-below median income and
15 percent to be at the 100-percent-and-belo edian income. And
there was a question of was 30 percent of e units --basically 45
units --enough to justify a 150-unit per -150-unit project.
So I met with, obviously, the pr~-----y o r and met with the
developer. And since the Planni ing, at which
we did receive a unanimous reco 1--and we
had your staff report, and we actua agenda
for the original meeting, use t ere
questions about the incom
We have gone back an o
another 10 perce e units
category, whi don't "ft:tLI.L~ an
forward to date, • anot r 8 per
120-per , d -h ~Jalfl&'JIJ'
perc
be 4
d-below income
oper has brought
o units at the
overall number --or
his particular project would
t that has become kind of the
stan d ar ... __ ,
project for
forward.
· that this is a higher-end, you know,
. . us other projects that have come
What that r ~~ ans, though, is we're getting 91 additional
units by providing _ -ome restricted units, and of those 91 units, 72
of those will be income restricted. So for the additional 19
market-rate units, 72 units will be income restricted, which means of
the income --of the bonus units, 77 percent are actually income
restricted. And I think I wanted to make sure I went through that
math, because prior to that, it would have been roughly
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45 percent --45 of the 91 bonus units, which is slightly under
50 percent. So a significant increase in what we're proposing as part
of this proposed project.
What I also want to bring up early on is there are existing uses,
obviously, on the property that had traffic generated from those
existing uses. So this project will increase, i the p.m. peak hour,
the total trips by 63 p.m. peak-hour trips o hat already existed on
the property based upon the prior use.
And I know there's concerns ab
Collier County, but these are peo
County anyway to work in Colli
roads. Any morning that you driv
afternoon when you're co • · back fr
roughly 50,000 cars on the~., .... --,~
County, many of them to wo
So our pro oj ect I res
lengths by all e who Wll:"Annn
proposal has the
Collier County --in
to Collier
yers, an see the
g to and from Collier
on in the trip
Hier County --this
n essential service
.-ch i ·rl"I! , ...... ~ heriffs deputies, nurses,
________ 1 that are necessary for our
Coun
C JLL.J..L~.~
Sheriffs 0
r quality of life in Collier
al shared a story with me regarding the
heriff trying to recruit new deputies and
emit deputies for probably two primary
reasons. Housing ne of them, and two is, you know, pay scale.
We've got to do something to make sure we keep sheriff deputies
living in Collier County, teachers living in Collier County, and EMTs
living in Collier County, and this is --this is a project that will assist
with that.
As Amy read into the record, there are two --there are two
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petitions in front of you. One is the Growth Management Plan
amendment, and one is the PUD. They mirror each other as far as
the commitments to income-restricted housing.
There is --this is an example of employment or your graphic of
employment within a 10-mile radius of this project. You can see
that this project will serve a significant portio of Collier County
with some of the major employers highlig _ on this --on this
exhibit. It is a good location for peop}A.dH!iUWllf'lrk throughout Collier
County. It's near schools. It's near I tati It's near hotels.
It's near hospitals. It's near EMS _ ......
So with that, that's an ove
we came up with the density reque
Wayne take you through ·--~
available to answer any qu
specifics of the project. Ho
during our prese
MR.
I'm
Asso ,·
~~~
ave
n, an we'll be
regarding the
1ed most of them
le bit about the master plan.
This pted because it's in black and
ar oup le and just show you the colorized
exhibit. sier to understand.
And so roposed is essentially an H-shaped
building, and we ~"1/FV" at does two things. One, it puts less
massing facing Va _ -rbi lt Beach Road and the golf course. It
allows us to tuck our amenity package into the --to the rear of the
building. It also allows for us to have not as much of a parking field
in front on Vanderbilt Beach Road but allows us to park along the
sides and the rear.
So our primary access point is on Vanderbilt Beach Road,
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essentially in the middle of the site. We do also have an
interconnection with the Sandalwood Village project to the east that
is also --when we had that approved several years ago, it was
approved with an interconnection as well in that location. So we've
mirrored that. So we have an opportunity to connect to their access
easement and make that connection.
We, unfortunately, don't have any ac
to the west across Bradford Square to
but we do have a good project in this
the green spaces.
I know that --one of the thi
a formal neighborhood inform
had no attendees. We
was unanimously appro
from some of the Villa
informational
about issues, a
some of their qu -
here todi11 ---
opportunities directly
to Livingston Road,
ase. You can see
but we held
, and we
s1on ng that
ent. We heard
held an informal
it was, to talk
n and answered
ome o those residents are
.... ----' gs that Rich has mentioned,
"icular ase, having such a centralized
locati f affordable income-restricted units,
that this nse or many reasons. Really good access
to Livingston south through the community, east/west
across the coun -~i~'"U saw the exhibit that Rich had on the
screen. Within 10 " _ es you have almost every major hotel that's in
the urban area outside of Marco Island corridor, many of the high
schools, our major hospital systems. So well served in terms of
employment opportunities for these folks to reside there and have
easy access to their place of employment.
We've agreed to some enhanced buffering along the Tiburon
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golf course. That was something that was similar to what
Sandalwood Village had proposed, so we picked up on their
buffering and extended that across our rear property boundary.
We've established development standards here of what we've
proposed is a four-story building, and that's pretty common for what
you're seeing with most of the apartment co exes that are being
built throughout Collier County.
Here's a conceptual rendering sho W11~~ u sort of the entry
porte-cochere and just an image of t nature of that
project.
Roers Development, who R
project that we're working with the ,
high-end finishes and det • These
know, the pool amenities, ~~ style
they propose to be at this loc, ·;on. it's
project, the diffe I eing 4
income restric , whi • s, I th
that we've brou ' efor
the third
. A lot of
t some exam es of, you
uildings , et cetera, that
• to be a high-quality
·ts are going to be
ted for any project
As • ous recommendation of
at the 30 percent of
an 81 p r cent increase since you've seen
that . , om~ • io n recommendation.
I .LIL.J..U,_,. t hell our presentation. Our team is here to
answer any q I you might have. And with that, I'll be
happy to yield a a our questions.
CHAIRMA __ LL : Commissioner McDaniel.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I think Wayne or Rich, either
one, can answer this. What is the underlying zoning today?
MR. ARNOLD: The underlying zoning is agriculture.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It is ag?
MR. ARNOLD: So it supports the pet resort and the
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abandoned riding stables.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. What is the whole
period for the income-restricted units, all of them?
MR. ARNOLD: Income-restricted are for 30 years.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It is a 30-year hold for those?
MR. ARNOLD: It is a 30-year comn1i ent, yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: ~;,o-..,.•en last but not least,
even --because you've --I mean --and· d that --I think it's
good that you have increased the run .. _ ........ of ~--at are, in fact,
affordable. Is there a deviation o .,. ..... i..1
"' etween the
at-market units and those that ar
income-restricted --
MR. YOVANOVI C~-~
COMMISSIONER
MR. YOVANOVICH:
unit's the same.
• 1e finishes, every
quality.
we
COMMI -
CHAIRM~
h1Wl!lhflll the questions I had.
to make the math clear, you had
Growth Management Plan
C ~li!l" .. LL : So what you're asking us for is 91
additiona 72 of those --
MR. YO ~v;, H : Are income-restricted.
CH_AlR . . L : --are income-restricted.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Making a total for the whole thing 48
percent --
MR. YOVANOVICH: Corrected.
CHAIRMAN HALL: --of this project will be for the
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workforce.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Correct.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Okay. Thank you.
Commissioner Locastro.
October 22, 2024
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yeah. I was just going to
say, I --there's a bad rumor in this county --i' been in the
media --that we're possibly building too affordable housing,
which I find --you know, we get beat u use we've dropped the
ball and didn't build enough affordab ousirr o, you know, we
got beat up for two years of that, en I've, y now, read recent
articles or seen things on social ia where folks accusing us of
overbuilding, and then I find it an u statem because
when we cut a ribbon on e places, mediately e 400
people on the waiting list, these p le didn't come from
Daytona Beach, California, were living in our
own community:.;i•i•' here they were, so
they moved to
I like the in . I mean, I've met with you-all
stopper questions. And to me
otte d.
you kno ._......... porter of this project, unless I hear
someth1 from one ~", ........ y ...-.Oil!'t",s that maybe I didn't think of. But I
think that e of the ome of the stories out there that, you know,
we're just thr • g af£ able housing, you know, anywhere
arbitrarily, you w 're rubber stamping, you know, construction
projects, there's nof construction project we don't like, and they all
get approved with --you know, after 30 minutes of discussion isn't
true.
I really want to commend the county staff led by, you know,
Mike Bosi, Jamie French, Trinity, I mean, all the people that are
involved in the process well before it comes to us; our Planning
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Commission who vets these projects, you know, thoroughly.
They're not just arbitrarily approved. And this one has only gotten
better since I was first briefed on it, at least in the way of the numbers
and the enhanced buffering. And --I mean, these are the kind of
things sometimes we aggressively negotiate for.
I like that it's already in the project. I n • n, it's not in my
district, but I think, you know, we've all efore we feel like, you
know, the Collier County is all of our d ' and we all vote on it
regardless of districts.
So I'm a supporter of it unles
think of.
CHAIRMAN HALL: C
COMMISSIONER ••
for Mr. Bosi. Is this th
CHAIRM
MR.YO
COM
as to the --I'
me --
unders.
~~ got a couple e tions
ask him questions?
si, I'm kind of curious
.nd I don't have them in front of
units that we have approved
.... ,_.,_..,...L under construction over the . unous .
c-Janning and Zoning director.
In er --tn the last three and a half years, this
Board of C sioners has approved, in terms of
income-restricte ............ _ close to 4,000 individual units. I don't
believe --if we we ecking with Ms. Cook's group, the Site
Development Plan, development review, I don't believe --probably
less than half of them have been submitted for building permits,
meaning that they're actually coming out of the ground yet. But this
commission, in the past three and a half years, has approved over
4,000 individual income-restricted units.
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But what I would say to Commissioner LoCastro's comments in
terms of an oversupply of affordable housing, I would love that we
would --to be in that situation. We're not in that situation. We still
import 57,000 people a day to come work here.
So if 72 units can be allocated to those --to those individuals
who will be living in closer proximity to whe · -they --to where they
work, it will be a net benefit to our tran p on system.
We definitely are still in --and Cola11Jll)Ui blin, our Housing and
Economic Development director, ca have not satisfied
the affordable housing deficit wi t • are continuing
to make strides, and we are enco~,"'"' we're
making. But it's a --it most certai ave to
continue to seek and mak
COMMISSIONER S -
CHAIRMAN HALL:
COMMIS S · KO
I kind of
had. I don'
appr
1 o hairman.
o hear the numbers I
• Yeah, I'd like it.
ink we have 1,882 that are
C _ iat's correct.
CO AL : --but not broken ground yet, and
we have 1,6 9 ,ennitting but --considered under
construction but -.-... ,.--= ally all of them have actually broken ground.
But they're in the p ess . So the total is 3,573 approved to date.
So --and like what Mr. Bosi was saying, it's a far cry from what we
probably really need realistically.
I just wanted to --I know there was some concern --some of the
residents, I know --I think we'll have some public speakers here
eventually, but I know there was something brought up --to my
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attention about --there was talk about a U-tum on Vanderbilt Beach
Road. And I notice now that when I looked at the blueprint here
that's up on the board, that --it says you have the interconnection
with Sandalwood, which --is that going to be actually complete into
that Sandalwood?
MR. YOVANOVICH: I don't know if
Sandalwood to allow that interconnection
will work with them and try to make th
improve --because we have a dedic
COMMISSIONER KOW ~
already, eastbound.
MR. YOVANOVICH:
U-tum there or go a little •
you're --if you're coming
COMMISSIONER KO
e can force
. ccur . We obviously
en, because that will
ection.
that's a fix to the
problem if they -::~.-
MR. YO,,...__,,,,_
make that h ·
can't • ~~~~~~~
ng to work hard to
y o make it happen, but I
eed.
ah. I mean, that was the only
thing e p · ct overa . It was just --if that can
happen, . pro I ly solve a lot of --
MR. H : ou know, I was --if I can just kind of
piggyback on d versus the actually constructed, a lot of
those projects W--"'~.. oved when financing --the interest rates
were significantly 1 •er and the ability to actually come forward with
this project, because I was asked this question in another jurisdiction.
You know, you were here three years ago. Why is the project not
built yet? I said, well, there's been some changes. But this project
is financed and ready to go versus some others that, you know, we're
getting the zoning approval, but they don't yet have their financing in
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place, and that's an important factor. There are a lot of units, not
enough, but units built but not yet financed.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Yeah. I liked --I did not support this
project at the 30 percent. I didn't think that there was enough public
benefit. But when you came back and you said that there were 48
percent of them, that was a game changer for • e .
And I just want to address a couple o • .. e . I had the
privilege of meeting with some --the £\Wh'!~Village Walk to have a
discussion about it, and some of the ~ ...... or.~:..-~·""""-~-some of the
concerns were the traffic that it w -ro 1n people
coming to U-tum. And after I l at meeting, I
thought, well, people that are comi ut --are coming
eastbound who need to d -U-tum I t Vt I Walk,
there's a light there, and th only t u _ d do t e -tum on
the green arrow, so that will . t a at al p le coming out of
Village Walk w • r light s g 1
The othe -.lfr-'1-k
that meetin
that's
to g
V ill
,.._.,.,,.ems that I've had since
o be assured that the stormwater
• e on this project is not going
...,,_~,:L......:~e anything worse for the
s, s 'd like to address that for just a second.
CH: '·m going to --I could tell you what the
law says, 6 pr oba • ly want to hear it from the engineer
who's going t 11 you at the system will be designed to make sure
that we don't fl o~--... ., eop le across the street.
CHAJR..MAN _ L.: Sure.
MR. DELATE: Good morning. For the record, Mike Delate,
engineer with Grady Minor.
The stormwater system will be entirely on site meeting Water
Management District rules and Collier County rules. Some of it is
underground, and some of it is above ground. The outfall discharge
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control structure will discharge to the east. Sandalwood Village has
a swale in front of the property. And then is there a bigger map?
MR. YOVANOVICH: It's not moving. I don't know why it's
not moving.
MR. MILLER: Hold on. Let me take a look.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Thanks, Troy.
You probably want that one.
MR. DELATE: I'll use the cursor
control structure, which will dischar
swale along Vanderbilt Beach Ro
outfall for these properties, Sand
parcels right here. And there's a p
Beach Road drainage sys ~~~and the
the I-7 5 discharge canal.
CHAIRMAN HALL:
Commissio ·
COMMI
question.
--ultimately, the
, drains along this
County has an
isting
erbilt
ater's conve d out to
south from this area.
ere ting point, Rich. And it's
or · osi, J"'Nlllll .. ..,. u to take into consideration.
ove tow ··n, as we continue to build out, it
has --s1 " • • Com1ni er 1der and I have been on this board for
eight year , • ere 's bee ult ip e circumstances where
interconnecti betw properties wasn't provided for. And so I'd
like to see that g,~~ ard where there's language in the PUD or in
the rezone or of a c era.ti ve effort to get to that particular point.
That's going to help enhance traffic mobility, flow, emergency
services. Even if it's a --even if it's a gated access point. You
know, if the development that's to the west of this proposed project
allowed for an emergency access out --out the north end of that
property to be able to get over to Livingston Road. I can understand
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them not really wanting an access point in and out across the back of
their property to get to Livingston, but I think --I think we as a
community need to start to incentivize that interconnectivity between
two property owners. I don't want to put it into a forced
circumstance, especially after the fact, but going forward, that needs
to be an initiative that comes from our staff en a developer comes
forward that contiguous property owners .__,._ a capacity of
interconnectivity. So I'd like to see th 1 • .,._.,,....,. forward.
And also if --because I would I se two are over
there in a powwow. What are yo.~~.":G turned his back
to me. I was on a major sermo ,
MR. YOVANOVICH: I'm s
COMMISSIONER .L ~
MR. YOV ANOVI C _-
~"' ..... kay .
ooled on something
else.
COMMISS
works?
MR.Y
anot
access --
Do you need us to take
No, I --go ahead. I'm sorry.
_ Mc _ IEL : No, no. I'm joking.
you would be willing to pay for the
MR. YOV -:_,,31,..._.,, .. ~~~H : Absolutely. And in response to you,
we have all gotten ~ ·rter as we've practiced our different disciplines
longer, and you see more and more PUDs coming through where
interconnection is actually addressed. Where it's broken down in the
past, and we're smarter now, is the person who says they will provide
the interconnection is in a position where they say, "I have to provide
it, but it doesn't say I can't make you pay a gazillion dollars for it."
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So we're having to get a little bit more sophisticated in how we write
that, because that's sometimes how it has broken down in the past
where the price for interconnection becomes --
CO MMIS SI ONER McDANIEL: And I don't want to belabor
the point today. But, you know, you made --you triggered a
thought. "Well, we can't force Sandalwood ' -gi ve us that access."
MR. YOVANOVICH: Right.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: re could put it in with a
cost-share agreement within the zon ·
MR. YOVANOVICH: Sur--""' --
COMMISSIONER McD A L :
across, as we come through. So ill
MR. YOV ANOVI C___,,,.__ to get a
little bit better.
COMMISSIONER Mc.a....111:_a...L the government can
help incentivize
TIF, a tax red ,
owner might be
well as 1·.., -A5e1W.J
You ~~~~t
approved ._
school to get
real codified agr ,.,_ .... _
along those lines.
• to t. You know, a
~e#~ ..... xpo . for the property
be --could be effectuated as
nec t ivity across the board.
tr'Q!rh:O i~ elopments .
_ .L : But there was another one we
ago where the interconnect between the
there wasn't ever --there wasn't ever any
n place for that, so --but I think we can help
MR. YOVANOVICH: Right.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I'd like to see us do that.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner Locastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Something just sparked a
question when they were talking about runoff. And maybe this is for
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Mr. Bosi. And you guys were showing the arrow of where there's a
swale now and then how it feeds off into another area, and, you
know --I mean, the question's really for both of you, but I would
really value the county's opinion.
Does that area need to be beefed up or enhanced at all because
of this project? So it's great that that's all pr isting, but at times,
you know, we build projects that then req • nhanced drainage, the
swale to be redone or --you know, or a e above. Is any of that
an issue, or what's preexisting now • eet needs of whatever
runoff this project would, you kn ring abou . And then,
obviously, if we have public co nt, you know, re we vote, I
want to hear from the public of so ing t , you krl I or we all
might be missing. But c ome bod o me about off and if
what currently exists is su
MR. DELA TE: Yes. ~A!,F,,•"""' ... .i.""~-.t,>' elate from Grady
Minor.
So the cu
system for t
rathe
requ
apa
disc
dischar
COM
what I wanted to
10 s . water management
roperties, so the runoff is
a bit. Under the new
onstructed now, the
, ol structure which limits the
rate . So in a post condition, the
ch lower than in the existing condition.
oCASTRO: I gotcha. Yep, okay. That's
CHAIRMAN LL: We've got some public comment?
MR. MILLER: Yes, sir. Mr. Chairman, we have nine
registered speakers, eight here in the room and one online.
Joel Thomason is your first speaker, and he will be followed
by --oh, geez, handwriting --Charles, is this Melchner?
MR. MELCHNER: That's it.
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MR. MILLER: You'll be second, sir.
MR. MELCHNER: Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Thomason.
MR. THOMASON: Good morning, commissioners. I am
here --I'm Joel Thomason. I live in Collier County in District 2.
So I am here to highlight things that I fi _ to be troubling with
this --these two agenda items. And I'm a _ supporter of workforce
housing. And I think you have alread ".Mf!I~ ome things that are
good. You effectively renamed "lo _.._ ___ co1ne using " to
"workforce housing." You made • -e a positiv -1ere productive
people have an ability to live clo • to where they • .. . And you've
also thoughtfully approved --and couple .. ..,_.,,.,,ljft,'rent
numbers now, but I had a . t 3,500 a nt dwellings ch as
these over the past time pe
With that said, I think,
have been --alr en ci te
But the a.gend m to
allow a 15 0 -apa
valuab l
,e of these points
e a repeat, I guess.
anagement Plan to
mira le, and it's not
• 've already approved.
Bee s and I hear you be very
thou nsider .
An _ ng -minded project, first of all,
when you I h Management Plan to make it
work --you • ting number of units in this specific area is
10. If you had flll~tfKI rce housing, it's 16. They want 25 and a
half.
And one thing I haven't heard today is they also want to reduce
the green space from 60 percent to 40 percent. So you're sort of
just --you're paving over the area. And I do think it does affect the
neighborhood.
And they cited a couple of places that are, you know, right next
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to where this would be. But if you look at the two largest residential
areas, the number of units allowed per acre at the Vineyards is four,
and the number allowed at Pelican Marsh is two. So you're going to
an extreme to allow 25 and a half units.
And I applaud that they increased the workforce housing. I
think, again, the idea is a good thing, but it d s nothing to affect the
density, and it doesn't do anything to affec loss of open space.
So I think that's not a good thing.
You know, this agenda item di
time staff did not support it. The
didn't like the loss of open space
nuary, and at the
ity. They
the staff reported it based on low-·ty ci __
that I read,
rrounding
adequate neighborhoods. There's . a --beca
justification for 25 and a h
So they did propose tha .
CHAIRM L : T lL'HfJLL'L
the developer h«,,,; .. ~
C
up.
sorry.·
i ... -...... son.
o today, because
w orce --
your three minutes is
• ur three minutes is up. Thank you.
ur next speaker is Charles Melchner. He'll
be f ollowe own.
MR. M 1 ---..~~. Good morning, Commissioners, and thank
you, and I love Co County. You guys do a great job.
However, you're trying to put a project in where it doesn't
belong. It's a great project. We need workforce housing, but it
doesn't belong in this location. As somebody that lives in Village
Walk, I am very concerned about the amount of water that's coming
off Vanderbilt Road [sic]. When our community was built, we
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were --we were told that we had to have the drainage for Vanderbilt
Beach Road come into our lakes. Our lakes are completely and
totally swollen, and we worry about our homes getting flooded.
This is the first I've heard about this project where there's a
sluiceway going down the north side of Vanderbilt Beach Road going
out to the 1-75 drainage pond. I'd like to see at someplace on the
diagram, because if they could do it, I'd lo r our community to be
able to do it, because some of our hous is point and some of
our oak trees are somewhat submer t this icular moment
without having a major rainstorm
We also have --I personall
Bureau of Emergency Managemen
in Collier County, becaus
7 o'clock in the morning t o~-~~,,.
through three traffic lights. 'st
So I broug . -at th 1
• st
and, Commiss • er Ha
And they said, ' 11, yo .
COml
ch a thing
e morning,
ing, you can't drive
ffic light backed up.
~11c,-, a ou folks were great
-at c • g to talk about it.
all 911 and get somebody
nohe
o em. You can't get by traffic.
re 's no mergency access road. There's
· somebody in.
Ou
octogenari
services to come
very, very difficult.
e gettmg older. God bless all ofus
hat proper word is. We need emergency
often than a younger community, and it's
Then we have the access with turning off roads and coming in.
There are just so many problems with quality of life here that I
believe this community is not in the right spot for, and I believe if we
let this community go through, somebody's going to have an
accident, and this litigious community --or this litigious era in the
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United States of America, Collier County is opening themselves up to
a major lawsuit, because we're allowing a project that has no right to
be there. It's a great project in the wrong location.
Thank you very much, and thank you for doing a good job.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Robert Brown, and he will
be followed by Bernard J. Flaherty.
MR. BROWN: Good morning, COu-1..111,n11:M11111~e,l!ll'i.:,i oners. My name is
Robert Brown. I live at Village Walk. homesteaded resident
there. As many of you know, I'm a e officer as well as a
retired attorney.
I come here basically oppos • -a different
slant. Commissioner Hall, when . cam our
complex, you heard so1n the resi d . mp lain, "W e , it's going
to pass because the co 1nm1 -s get in need by the developers."
So with that said, I too 1 t t ac . grabbed a bunch of
my retired po lie s that ~-L~. lieve four out of
five of you ha ~~ ffil~»o llier County 1013.
And I said, "Ge · k at the assumption that the
deve loQ e gr _ ~~ commissioners. You know,
let's 1 'NJlll,.p, -nd something different. We
did t We looked at what --the
cotn __ , __ . e developers. We looked at all the
players
And a :::_-::~~ day, what I saw, it disturbed me, but I
didn't want to go '\i,.~~ res . I didn't want to go to TV. I decided
the simplest thing t o is to see if there's an appearance of conflict,
or can these commissioners vote on it? So I brought it before the
U.S. Attorney's Office in Tampa, and I also brought it before the
state's attorney up in Fort Myers. Now, that was before the
hurricane hit. And I have been in contact with them.
And the request I have is not to jeopardize yourself by voting on
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something where you may be compromised or conflicted. I'm
asking you to take the time. Table this. Let them look it over. The
assertions that were made, if they're true, would resolve it, and you
would not be able to vote on it. But if it's not, at least you know
where you can proceed and not proceed.
I know many of you. I have coffee wit ou. I like you.
Unfortunately, Locastro, I haven't seen yo our meeting, but you
are invited to come one day if you deci -. ... _..__Low Marco Island is a
trip, but come on up; you can come.
But what I'm asking you gen
information that has been provid
that are retired, cream of the crop,
it over. Take the time.
As Commissioner
there. Nobody r
today. Put it
attorney say
much.
ra
e, based on the
t officers
hem look
000 projects [sic] out
.LL ~ ....... eed to vote on this
. torney and state's
ime . Thank you very
, er is Bernard J. Flaherty, and
~ .... ..._ Hang o . I want to make a comment
first,
will pass
never said
o. __ o. 3, No. 4, No. 5, I've never said this
• • ioner are influenced by developers. I
hat I'm not. I've never taken it --I don't
....... ,,...,l oper is on this project. I don't care if a U.S.
attorney, a federal . mey, a local attorney, or whatever attorney has
whatever they want to think. That's their opinion. I know me. I
know my integrity, and I know what I've done and what I haven't
done. So I just want that to be public record for the news. Thank
you.
MR. MILLER: Bernard J. Flaherty is your next speaker.
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CHAIRMAN HALL: No, sir.
MR. BROWN: No comment?
CHAIRMAN HALL: No comment.
MR. BROWN: No comment.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Flaherty.
MR. BROWN: I still like you, Chris.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Oh, I know.
MR. BROWN: Thank you.
MR. FLAHERTY: My name ·_.__,...,
for the opportunity to speak to yo
I rise in opposition to the
that have already been covered. S :won1
but I'm very, very conce .~,...,_,from a s·
traffic flow and the densi t
approve this variation
thought to not
Also, I t.
as has been
October 22, 2024
• aherty. Thank you
t for reasons
our time,
ct1 ve the
. if this --if you
hat you give serious
in 9A and B.
ou're aware of it,
e sure that there are no
confli ~~,~ n the Collier County
Co-rr,,..,.~
dis
M
be followed li
MS.
Walk.
,....lfil...,
I'm --as a resident of this
.
to speak to you.
speaker is Nora Marks, and she will
n -Kell.
. I'm Nora Marks, and I live in Village
MR. MILLER: Can you pull that mic down just a little closer?
Thank you.
MS. MARKS: Sure. Is that better?
MR. MILLER: Yes.
MS. MARKS: Okay. I'm also very, very concerned with the
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traffic. I'm not going to take much time, because I don't have all the
numbers and all the specifics. But I have personal problems with
this.
The entrance --one of the traffic problems is the entrance to the
Bermuda Island is --already causes tons of problems with people
starting to turn in there. We've had fatal acc.-ents there.
I think with people coming out from *.....,..,~1 ew development
trying to cross over to get onto Li vings going to be horrible,
and there are going to be more accid
I don't know --I also feel th "'"l'WA'_
housing is very important. I thi
And that's about where I feel '"._ . ...,.,UL
But I --could I cede the r · f my t 1.
0
L u ~~,
CHAIRMAN HALL:,._.,., ....
MR. MILLER:
MS.
workplace
put it also.
e traffic.
• ne Green Hall [sic],
My name actually is
1 h t' k And I'm a resident and • ca SO ay.
former pre illage W alk homeowners' association.
I'm here about this Item No. 9. I'm asking that you
oppose the requ o ,rove an ordinance to amend the Collier
County Growth Ma ·~ _gen1ent Plan to allow deviations for the
Mattson on Vanderbilt development. Village Walk is a stone's
throw from that proposed development. And I e-mailed a letter to
each of you on September 29th spelling out at the issues, but today
I'll focus on one, and that is density.
What do they want? They want approval to preserve only
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40 percent usable open space rather than 60 percent. Without your
approval today, Mattson is limited to 94 apartments provided it has
the affordable housing element, but the developer's asking for 150
units, which is --which is a 50 percent increase to make it
economically feasible.
The developer's justification is to add u
affordable housing for essential service pe
firefighters and teachers, but there are o
• s that are set aside for
nel such as police and
oj ects, as we've heard.
ofland. The More important, this is a posta
increased density being requested· the
communities surrounding it, and traffic congest turns --creates
serious safety hazards. As Nora sa: ·ncluding
residents of Village W alk
And I heard today ho
but that's not the traffic I'm t
drive east on V a 1
past two lanes
median strip.
Li vings 1 , d all
two
bloc
Le
ffic coming in anyway,
idents wanting to
t immediately cross
e , opening in the
ed at the traffic light at
uires residents to quickly cross
1 • the next light will simply
that someone who purchases land
•• e be _ , most profitable use of it; however, I
do object to s ,ent and deviations to increase their profit
that infringe on '"·., ~r.>t11.t~nab le expectations, the quality of life, and
safety of thousand residents already living here, including me.
Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Kathleen Adams. She
will be followed on Zoom by Diana Cooper.
MS. ADAMS: I'm Kathleen Adams, and I'm from Village
Walk of Naples, and obviously, I'm not for the project.
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I've lived in Village Walk for 29 years. From Oakes Boulevard
to the gulf, there's one area vacant. That's the 5.8 acres currently
zoned for 10 units. Now we're going to have the Mattson project, if
you're foolish enough to approve it, and for that space, they want
150 acres [sic], and that changes it to 25.5 units.
From Oakes to Livingston Road, that wi be the highest density
project. I know the number of acres and t umber of units, the
density, on all of those communities in etch. Do you?
Would you like to know?
The planning and zoning co
acre in January as well as a grea
Apparently those recommendation
recommended more of a ck whi
meeting this month with tHllUi.r"'lllat:
we questioned the amount o
pools and tennis . can an nnpe ,
next it will
ed 16 units per
d. also had
~~;nso being ign d. At a
pany and the attorney,
y indicated that the
w part of that. How
en space? Maybe
ed fifty units parking, or one
and ost o . units, which are going to be
..... , .... ,L_ll_ll. ee-bedr · , a . ndersta, d it, could have two to six
• un it. Mo of tli people will have to be driving, of
course, hey'r e not all going to start at the same
time. T e ng to be going in the same direction.
The traf 1 ~Pf',; out of Village Walk --and we're very lucky
because we have a .. _ ic light that we fought long and hard for, and,
of course, Wilshire Lakes across from us gets to share in that. If you
leave before 9 a.m. in the morning, yes, if you're going west toward
the gulf, you can get out, at least one car can, if it's about 9 o'clock,
and then they could be hanging over into the eastbound lane.
Our community of 850 homes was built on 350 acres.
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Eighty-four acres of those are the lakes. And part of the agreement
with the county at that time was that we would accept the water from
Vanderbilt Beach Road, and as has been pointed out, our lakes are
very high.
MR. MILLER: Thirty more seconds.
MS. ADAMS: Oh, okay.
So 70 percent of those are occupied -850 homes are
occupied by full-time residents. At le ercent of those are
full-time --would necessarily be Flo • vote If you have 1.5
people per unit, that's 893 voters. me thing to • nk about.
MR. MILLER: Your final i _ t ered speaker _ • s us on Zoom,
Diana Cooper.
Diana, you're being e yourself, i u 'll do
one . I'm trying to that at this time. It looks
remember the unmute comm ... -~ or *6, if you'll try
that now.
I think I
my Zoom.
know y
push .VI.ft'.-"'·
·-~~,,,.~per ,,_.,..,,"'"'e phone listed here on
ve you one more shot here. I
the meeting here. Try
..... -(IIJ!i,_.LLL1.l-ute o
o o ha.p pe 1 sir.
L I d ___ : _ goo .
ank you. And that's all our speakers .
. : Commissioner McDaniel.
COMM McD ANIEL: Yes. I'm --my question's
for Mr. Bosi, if you ould, please.
We had some discussions some time ago on that higher-density
development down on 951, the Ekos project that's coming forward.
The parking requisites under our current LDC seem to be inadequate
for the new norm, if you will, the amount of people per unit. Have
we done anything to address that yet?
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MR. BOSI: No, we have not done anything to address. We
would need the rest of the Board of County Commissioners to agree
that we needed to analyze our multifamily parking requirements and
to initiate a public planning study.
I will say that if we do have that direction, staff will be
somewhat compromised. We are down thre · '.ndi vidual planners.
We have had a tremendously difficult tim . e've had two openings
for over six months that we haven't bee iliDtlA.fO fill. We have a staff
that is --has a lot of demands upon t_.. .. ,..... a lot of hands. But
we would need the Board of Cou
staff to either engage with a t ra _,.. .. in-house
study in terms of how we alloc ~•,...L t ifami ly
parking and see if --an ;:;=l!i"ll ..... ,~.-;a,.. ~WI(".., ased •. the
analysis that's provided
COMMI I E
under --not rig :
today's meetin
that direction f o
M ~~I:
the --
under
Use Ee
Let's bring that up
. at the end of
'11 see if we can get
. Number two, what are
~~we bac p the --the land utilizations
--the FLUE, we call it, Future Land
, t are --what are --what are other uses that
could --certa equire a Comp Plan amendment? It's an
agriculturally zo ~,r-., e of property. What are other uses that
potentially could c e to this site?
MR. BOSI: Well, this is an urban residential designation by
our Future Land Use Map which normally would allow for a range of
densities for your residential development. But within that, you can
also have a mixed-use development that could be proposed. You
could have a commercial development or even a lighter industrial
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development. But a commercial or a light industrial development
would require a Growth Management Plan such as similar to what's
being proposed here today.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Right.
MR. BOSI: So a wide range of uses are what is supported by
the urban residential designation.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: A· · 1s what triggered the
question because I read in the --I rea .,.....,,....L ,Jlli:: , p about the
mixed-use district, and under the -esignation I know
it would require a Comp Plan a t talking about
exposure for --because we've h .,_1 ..--.v e've heard a
lot about "good project, wrong • for that
question was what are w ~~~--~~ BmJ'-' ate is were to
get denied today?
I mean, c mm rci any square feet of
commercial c
MR.B
anywhere o L .IL,~ acre. This being close to
~----·· cD --· Sixty, 80, 90, okay.
e 100,00 .
_ n d • · t , from a professional planner
t andpoint an ap prop riat e location for this type of
density. Y o got --u 've got 14 units --14 units an acre. That's
Bradford Square . ~r:r.f~ to the west. To the east is Sandalwood,
which is 16 units p -ere . The heights that's being proposed are
similar to the heights that are allowed. To the north is 50 feet, to the
west is 5 3 feet, to the east is 62 feet.
So it's right in the middle of what the allowed heights are.
You're on a six-lane divided highway. The amount of traffic that's
generated by this project compared to the overall volume is most
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certainly de minimis. We've had --our Transportation staff looked
at it. There's capacity on the road segment.
When a Site Development Plan would come in, an operational
analysis would be provided by our Transportation Department, and
any improvements within those road segments required from that
operational analysis would be on the develoP. to be able to provide
for. We think that this project makes a lo sense at this location.
One of the other things that we tho as most valuable was
the diagram that the applicant had p to the employment
centers within close proximity, w· 10 miles r ·us. It is --there's
a tremendous amount of employ t opportunity, :...~II/V e think that
relationship between the affordable usin d the eiii .. ~ ment
opportunities is a signific benefit £ 1 ua ct.
And I would like to m some o e
statements that were m public regarding
the staff repo g Commission.
It had 22.6 u ~~ ing. That was an
older standar s --this project started
with. :/!C!:!!1 ~~"-J#IJ""'-•·~-orting that at 22.6. We
said, r acre. If you were going
to pr sing, we think that the public
benefit g w ere staff would support it.
most certainly does support this as
it's being p
Just wan 1de a little bit of clarity. The staff report
that went to the ng Commission was a recommendation of
denial because the level of affordable housing was 22.6. When the
Planning Commission --or when the applicant agreed to the Planning
Commission's 30 percent request and the additional setbacks that
were incorporated with --into this PUD, staff has changed the
position from when we wrote the staff report to a position of support
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with the additional 18 percent allocation. Staff most certainly is ...
And one final comment is the 10 percent, the 15 units at
50 percent or below, we have never --we haven't had one of --that
low of affordable housing level provided for within any of our
market-rate projects. The only time we would get that 50 percent or
below has been traditional affordable housin roviders that are
providing for a wider range of affordable 1ng.
So there's a lot of reasons why sta t.MM~rrived upon the
position of support for this petition.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Com1~
COMMISSIONER KOW A
I know some concerned p
percentage of permeabl
don't know in the desig
using some pav r in t
MR.YO
it's open p ac
space under
dist in
recr
from .
C
eab l erty. I
, but do you plan on
'snot green space;
onsidered open
1n , some of the
uating open space, not
space, to include your
e's a little confusion there
owing how the code works.
: And I had another --I think it
nee to even in the morning when --because
the particular co~::"'M·~·c'..-,., , Village Walk Circle, which --depending
on which way I vot -n this, I'm going to take some heat because my
in-laws live in there so --I'll hear it Sunday probably at dinner.
The intersection, you guys have the lighted intersection coming
in and out of there. And then there was a comment --one young
lady made a comment about the overflow where the cars stack up in
the intersection even when you have a green light trying to get out.
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Just for reference, that, you know, if that does happen, you can
contact the Sheriffs Department. That is a violation of state statute
if somebody sits in the intersection and blocks it while you have a
green light. I mean, we had that incident a few years back when I
was still at the Sheriffs Department. It was on 41 and Pelican Bay.
They had the same problem coming out of th • e in the mornings and
going back in in the evenings.
And they reached out, and we did
they sat there during those hours, an
intersections, they got ticketed.
in that intersection. So that doe ..
required to hold short even if they e a ~~
things, if you bring those • 1 s to the ~--
operation there, and
at in those
0 ticket sitting
They're
e type of
f the ··. ft's
Department, he will addre -. So j ~-or future reference.
Other than that, like I s . 1
--I the project. I think
the location is s • , that ortunity to really
have it this cl ere he jobs are, and these
people are
and ·.·-
here
to Point B and traveling miles
ing from other counties to get
dvantage of, you know,
~ ... ~ure people understand.
-was a ge _ -man t made the comment that we changed
the nam II to ' workforce housing. 11 If he wants to
take the ti o different things, by definition. And these
are not low inco _........ ese are people that we depend on every day
to teach our childre _ o make it safe. And, you know, I'd love to
have a fireman as a neighbor or a schoolteacher or a police officer. I
mean, to me, that's not downgrading my community in any way. So
ifhe feels that way, then that's on him. But thank you.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Thank you.
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I certainly appreciate the fact that this is going to be a lot of
workforce housing; however, we have a tremendous amount of new
construction, new work that's going to be going on on Vanderbilt
Beach Road, on Immokalee Road. We all know the efforts that our
staff and we are making to improve the traffic situation, especially in
those two corridors.
I had asked the Board to consider a p
developments until we had some of tha •
going to stick with that, and so I'm n
And I think that we do need to m
improvements in place before w
roads.
CHAIRMAN HAL ~--
COMMISSIONER S~h,-,,.
CHAIRMAN HALL:
per acre right th
per acre?
.
these types of
cture in place. I'm
ort the project.
ese
g on these
, Slf.
ce between 25 units
approving 33 units
COMMIS That would be seven. No,
• not trying to be sarcastic.
__ r ·n favor of The Havens, but
that
acre.
hat was --and this one is 25 units an
refresh my ·.
at the difference in your mind is.
DERS: You're going to have to
The Havens.
CHAI ··.
Vanderbilt.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Oh, okay.
CHAIRMAN HALL: It's not built yet either.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: The difference is the
transportation corridors that are impacted.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Okay. Commissioner Locastro.
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COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Mr. Bosi, can you come back
to the podium for a minute? I want to piggyback on something that
Commissioner McDaniel asked you.
If this project was disapproved, the other things that could go in
its place would probably be commercial, as you said. If some sort of
commercial entity went on this footprint, wo that generate more
traffic than this project or less?
MR. BOSI: Not being a transpo
planner for over two decades, comm,....,.,,._,,l pro
• neer but being a
s attract a
tremendous more volume of traffi an what re ial properties
generate. Residential propertie nerate traffic. ercial
generates properties attract traffic. And the
is much lower than what e rate th 1a pr ies attract
in terms of --so it's app
difference betw n the
being up her
terms of that
COMM
optio
this
compare the
mercial project
ely much less in
And I assume one of the
k and have nothing put on
: ·ng .
1t comes to the traffic which
people ··-_.__..
than the m 1
· a much more advantageous project
footprint, ina
would have to c...-.-•=
controversy, I gue .
. that could easily go on this
ven come to us for much of a --well, it
, but it would have maybe a lot less
MR. BOSI: And I would agree with that --
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Or it would have more
because it would generate more traffic. That's what I meant to say.
MR. BOSI: And I would say that this has been reviewed by
Ms. Scott and her team and that they are making a recommendation
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of approval from a transportation standpoint.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Well, this is in my district, and, like I
said, I was not a supporter of this project at all at the 30 percent,
which The Havens was, but it's now 48 percent affordable with even
10 units at less than --at 50 percent and less.
I think there's --I think there's great puh • •. benefit in this. I
think the fears and the assumptions --I he, em, but I think the
benefits outweigh the risk.
So with that, I'm going to make
project --to approve both 9 A and
COMMISSIONER McDA
CHAIRMAN HALL:
favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONE
COMMI I E
C
C
C
u.
• ty Manager, why don't we take 1 lB
. . ore we get to the longer discussion.
Item #1 lB
A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE AUTHORIZED USE OF
EACH OF THE FIVE PENNIES OF THE TOURIST
DEVELOPMENT TAX PURSUANT TO FLORIDA'S TOURIST
DEVELOPMENT TAX STATUTE, SECTION 125.0104, FLA. STAT
-MOTION TO APPROVE THE PRESENTATION AND
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DIRECTION GIVEN BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL;
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HALL -APPROVED
MS. PATTERSON: Very good. Of course.
Item 11 B, which was continued from the October 8th, 2024,
BCC meeting, is a recommendation to accept presentation
regarding the authorized use of each of the e pennies of the tourist
development tax pursuant to Florida's T Development Tax
Statute Section 125.0104 of Florida a: tes.
Mr. Chris Johnson, your d •
and Management Services, is h
MR. JOHNSON: Good
record, Chris Johnson, y
Management Services.
through the authorized
Todayw
TDC uses, a
tourist deve
coun A ~~~..,~-=U!'\..
hi st -rzn•M-
rporate Financial
Fina and
here today to go
ment tax.
entation on the
Hier County's
ocations for the
lides on the revenue kind of
in the TDC revenue.
es of tourist development tax
tate Statute 125.0104. revenue
And
as they all ha
wit the first, second, and third pennies,
authorized uses as outlined in Subparagraph
5 within the sta •
The first use "-, : e first, second, and third pennies is paying
debt service or operating certain facilities. That includes convention
centers, sports stadiums, arenas, coliseums or auditoriums, and
aquariums and museums.
The second authorized use is to promote zoological parks.
The third authorized use of these three pennies is to promote and
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advertise tourism and convention bureaus.
The fourth authorized use is to finance beach park facilities.
The fifth use is beach maintenance, renourishment, restoration,
and erosion control, including shoreline protection. And a newer use
for these three pennies is the public facilities use, which I'm going to,
briefly here, go into the requirements for that
So to utilize these pennies for TDT p!IMI, ·lllla'"-..... facility funding it's
required that you --that you take in at I million in TDT
revenues per year, which we do. It' ~d that the Board of
County Commissioners approves : ty or two-thirds
votes. Additionally, you have t _ e 40 percent o • r TDT
revenue collected on promotional u dependent
professional analysis pai~~-by the emo te positive
impact on tourist-related b.._.".,._DlL
Now, that's for the first ee _ial' ... : e fourth penny, the
debt, operating
o J..:J~MILEI.. --I'm sorry,
authorized uses rofess
costs of conve s with'
financed with to d fina ! to promote and advertise
___ .L .,.,.., ... professional sports facility
and d to promote and advertise
tourism.
The e nnie . that the county is currently taking
advantage ctually a sixth penny available for use for
high tourism i ~=~ ~=~ties. That penny has the same authorized
uses as Pennies 1 t 1gb 3. And in order to take advantage of that
penny, the TDT sales need to exceed 600 million within the county or
18 percent of total taxable sales if it's from 2 million to 600 million in
sales.
Currently, the county is looking at collecting, this year, right
around $50 million, which would translate to about a billion dollars
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in sales. So we would qualify for this.
To enact this other penny of revenue collection, an ordinance
would need to be approved by referendum in a general election.
Any question on the uses of the pennies before I jump into the
history?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: going to bore us to
death with history.
I have a question, Mr. Chair.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Sure, g __ ll._
COMMISSIONER McD A
with the use of the one, two, an
talk about the potential sixth fi
decision, to increase the
one extra penny tax incr
MR. JOHNSON:
ack up a slide
ixth, let's
Board
does that
five, it would be
COMMI
MR.JO _ ·on our current environment.
olatile.
•. Oh, I understand. And
aga ri'Cl'IIOT penny and
supp -.,...,__ .. ~-y to port the debt for the construction of
Paradis _ d tha on a percentage basis. Not all of that
was 100 pe ction. There was a proportionate share
that went over ~~ enourishment as well, if I recall. Like,
25 percent or so tha ent into beach renourishment, so ...
MR. JOHNSON: I believe that penny, which would be the fifth
penny there, was split between your promotion and your sports
complex debt.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay.
MR. JOHNSON: It's in the second-to-last column there.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I gotcha. So it was split
between --okay. I had recollection that that was split
between --split between debt reduction and beach renourishment.
But a lot of things changed with Paradise Coast from the time that we
started it to where we're at now.
So back up to your slide on the first --t 1
because you --I think in the next slide yo .
and it talked about only 70 percent --ll'1..-~ .. ~~
project could be funded. Right --·--.•~~
more than 70 percent of the proj eel· g ~l,U!
MR. JOHNSON: Correct,
utilizing that new option under the r th'---'-•••u
COMMISSIONER J._~.._,ANIEL :
strictly for the public fa
MR.JO •
COMMI
definition of a
MR.JO
ses of the first three,
ed over one point,
n 70 percent of the
oint there. No
evenue.
at' s if you're
.
. So just
nything to do with --
nd what is the
11 the statute, sir. It's rather
Okay. I'd like to know what
that is JU 1 --I m•ean, I am exploring ways where we
can bring i ist tax dollars and help assist our already
existent taxpayi-~,...r+•.-"""' . That's something that I would like for
us to explore. An _ 1 like to know what the flexibility availability is
with Pennies 1, 2 and 3. When you start talking --when will you
start talking about debt service --back up one slide. That one --that
slide right there, paying debt. Paying debt on the sports arena,
stadium, so ons and so forth.
If you'll recall, one of my --one of my sad portions of Paradise
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Coast was the field house that was slated to be in Phase one 1 and
now it's in Phase P or something. It's way out here. And so is
there --are there --are there --do we have latitude within these first
three pennies to move those monies around to service additional debt
or not?
MR. JOHNSON: So currently those pe ies are allocated
based on your tourist development plan, w
part of your ordinance. And I'm goin
with this, but I would believe, yes, y .
the ordinance accordingly.
MR. KLATZKOW: You .
COMMISSIONER McDAN.Li..1--
MR. KLATZKOW:
COMMISSIONER •
MR. JOHNSON: An
Commissioner,
all of our --all . service. So
legalitie
you see here, which is
at Jeff to help me
ou'd have to amend
on this.
• 1g with that,
the sports complex,
at specific debt
counsel as well on the
. Well, we're going to --I
me
becau
LL~"" ..... p~"'~'i."M'· i opens up a wider discussion
ssio " • f how, when, and where we can utilize
nd in conjunction with these allowable
percentages o lso have to have --where are we at with our
funds? You an,,_ .. ,.,.-. · ppy fund accounting that I despise, where
are we at in these a _ t ional --in these accumulated funds that
continually roll over? Maybe that's in the boring history part.
MR. JOHNSON: Actually, that was a supplemental slide that I
put up right here. So if you want to take a look, this is our --this is
our TDT family of funds here from 1100 to 1108. I'm just going to
go along to the end on the totals there. Your reserves are currently
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sitting at about $80 million. That includes your TDC beach reserves,
which are the majority of that, at $60.6 million. You can see our
projected revenues for next year. We're really conservative with that
just due to the volatility of the tax, so we're projecting about
$3 7 million.
To your point, Commissioner, every ye
budget process, we're then forecasting this
the action we've had so far and the hi tn ... t..al!h.
re-budget for next year's budget. S · kin
in before we're spending it, in oth •
COMMISSIONER McD A
thing, especially with the vola
because all you need's o
not --then you're not co !
MR.JO •
COMMI
further ques
CHAI
when we open up the
r's revenues based on
we utilize that to
wait till the money's
--I don't have any
At this point anyway. I
ld you ys like me to continue with the
history ugh . • · current uses? I'll leave that up --
CH ~m......, : Let's do current uses.
MR. JO '11 leave that up to the Board, okay.
Currently we us r ccording to our TDC plan, there's kind of
three broad uses fo . , e pennies, the first being the beaches. And as
you can see here, there's two subcategories of beaches. We have
beach park facilities in our --in Fund 1100 and beach nourishment
and past maintenance in 1105.
These funds utilize only portions of the first three pennies; 5.9,
about 6 percent goes to the Beach Park Facilities Fund, and 64.9 or
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about 65 percent goes to the Beach Renourishment Fund, for a total
of 42.5 percent of all five pennies.
And, Jeff, I see you pulled that up. Did you want to --
MR. KLATZKOW: No, I just pulled it up for the
commissioner comments.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yeah
facilities, the definition of the public facili •
This is on the public
and what that inclusion .
lS.
MR. JOHNSON: So we have means major
capital improvements that have e or more
years, including, but not limite sewer,
solid waste, drainage, potable _ __, 1es .
COMMISSIONE ~~1}Q~ . know --an ithout us
digging into this, I mea ncture,. I would certainly
like --we've alread en our priority budgeting
processes. I ~._ rNi,'lilllo.:,,T Commis ioner
Saunders, di ~"-'" as reviewing some
of --the Pro -QJ~~~ reviewing some of the
Pro
lesso
Coast pr
particular i
. Yeah. Well, what the
really -ocusing on was some of the
tracting and the way the Paradise
. So ·at's really their focus on that
COMM .~.......... McDANIEL: Well, it certainly --I mean,
what this screams t _ e is that we've got a consultant that we're
working with. We're looking at ways to reallocate available funding
that we, in fact, collect. How and what our fee structures are, and I
would --I would like this to be relegated over to --I for got the name
of that company. What's the name?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Hunden. Is it Hunden?
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CHAIRMAN HALL: ResourceX.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: ResourceX. Yes, thank you.
Boy, I couldn't come up with that for anything. Not Hunden, for
goodness sakes. We'll get to Hunden in a minute.
But I'd like this to be relegated over to ResourceX and have
some --some actual specificities put into ho e're utilizing these
monies and where we can, with latitude, some adjustments.
Because, again, if we can --if we can c ... L.n with an extra --and
I'm using small numbers here, but a 3 million out of the
TDT tax in order to offset repairs .,.,_,..., upkeep our park
system, that frees up money in t'"'"_....., an be
reallocated over for other necessa
MR. JOHNSON: r->1111-lutely.
COMMISSIONER _L : -ld --very, very
appreciative of thi in
CHAI
I was·
McD .-
you
you.
something Commissioner
g remarks, and that was that
oj ects or things that would
think --unless I'm misquoting
you or .~JIIW~""' --l~ w _ ou said, it sounded like you were
looking at e the tourist tax revenues by the use of
these funds. is one of your goals, that's clearly one of my
goals as well, an~ __ .,.,.,, ... ,1,111,2_ ... _ ne of the reasons why I've asked for an
evaluation of the P Bi e Coast park and the Hunden study that's
coming up next, because I think, when you look at what's happening
at that facility, it's going to generate a tremendous amount of
advertising with the professional sports which will enhance our
tourist industry, restaurant industry, everything.
But the advertising from that professional sports team will be
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worth millions of dollars on an annual basis. And the issue that I'm
looking to do is to try to use these tourist tax dollars in a way that
does enhance our collection of tourist tax dollars. So I just wanted
to comment that I agree with you, if I didn't misunderstand what you
had said.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Did u write that down,
Terri, that he agreed with me for a change ?
CHAIRMAN HALL: I have a q
70 percent of the TDT money to pay:
ordinance, or is that state statute?
cilities, is that our
MR. KLATZKOW: That' 1 e state.
COMMISSIONER McDANI.J...d --
CHAIRMAN HAL
COMMISSIONER::S~_-~:.:
question? Because I
there.
~=mm i . sioner, can I ask one
i .. ._. ....
1
.. ad pushed the button
CH
co .S : On the slide that you had up
ou had the ordinance --the
statu ,,..__~ 1-,"..,:h --1 ~111.c.+ blic facilities are, and then
<low et me make sure I'm --yeah, No.
D, at le ist development tax revenues are used
to prom d I guess the question is, what does that
mean "top ---... --"? Because it says "promote and
advertise." ing that those are two different things.
For example, aradise Coast Park is a facility that does, in
my mind, promote tourism.
MR. KLATZKOW: I'm going to put that question to Colleen.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Or is it purely advertising?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Now we have three lawyers
asking a question. What do you think we're going to get?
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: We're going to get 17
answers.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Oh, good morning, dear.
MS. GREENE: Good morning, Commissioners. Colleen
Greene, Assistant County Attorney, for the record.
There is a definition of promotion in the urism statute that
provides --"promotion" means marketing 8vertising designed to
increase tourist-related business activiti ever, this provision in
Subsection 6 that we're talking abou acilities is 2018 but
hasn't been used that much throu rida, so there
really is not a lot of guidance o interpret that
D, that Subsection D, to romo -ii---.--r--~ use the
definition above, in th V'iRl!i~ , work
with the definition bas -M.tll~~~~ ection is.
COMMIS I • s that definition?
MS. G ~~ ~~ age 1 of the statute
that you hav l'iillDIL-n,eans. marketing or
advertisin -,..,._,.'.ii,'-ist -related business activities."
. give
recomm _
promotes 1
consideration.
• Okay. Thank you.
. , ou know, when we provide
ist Development Council, we
_ :, t Development Council to make a
-ether the activity or the expenditure
is then sent to the Board for their
COMMISS , _ SAUNDERS: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It almost seems duplicative
down there on D, because it talks about promotion and advertising,
and then the actual specific definition, they're separate.
MS. GREENE: Yes.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Promotion or advertising,
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so ...
CHAIRMAN HALL: That is word of the day so far.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Duplicative. Good one.
MR. JOHNSON: And if I continue on with our current
allocations, the next section is our promotion ection, so it kind of
segues right in, I think.
So as you can see here, here's our -'sour promotion, two
subcategories, destination and prom • and in and then
amateur sports complex. Curren f the first
13 percent is going to the promo
and 28.5657 percent of the fifth.
the debt service and for 1 --~
penny. That is a total of
currently allocating --or col
Any questi -=...... hat b e
The last
COMMIS
M • m1 ·st oner.
. enn1es,
ourth penny,
• , to pay
2 o fth . pennies we are
I do have a question,
, was B 1, B2 on the first page. It
at's 4 7 percent, are we 7 percent over
t a d1 erent category?
e we spending 40 percent?
says
what's b
MR.
MR. .. ........ _ .. ~re we spending 40 percent? We're
allocating the 4 7 pe nt.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Oh, so we're allocating. We're
not actually spending it?
MR. JOHNSON: Towards promotion. And, yes, it does --it
does get spent as well. But our current allocations are at the
47.85 percent. And just to --also, just for the record, the --when we
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get to the next category, museums, there's actually one of the uses
that gets cut off at $2 million, and additional funding goes into that
promotion and destination for monies collected over the 2 million,
which, in the past few years, has been close to another $2 million.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: I just might not be following
along with some of the columns or somethin because, like, when
Commissioner Saunders had us refer back~::~e first page, it said
40 percent, and if we're at 40 --
MR. JOHNSON: Oh. And t
that's the minimum for that if you'-"' .. ,._;
COMMISSIONER KOW A
MR. JOHNSON: Let me j u
that. So 40 percent of ~, jiD;,,.'
requirement.
COMMISSIO E
prompter.
CHAI '·
is the statute, so
re with
sed on otion is a
at I'm talking
there on the
's the D --no, no. The first
:ndemeath it says the amount
of u
-pull this up for you.
AL : I'm just --I might be thinking
totally two di
COMMIS -McD ANIEL: Troy, pay attention.
COMMISSIO . . _ KOWAL: There it is, B.
MR. JOHNSON: I think it might have been on the other page,
Commissioner, on D, which was the 40 percent.
MS. GREENE: It's Page 8 of 30, yes.
MR. JOHNSON: Which is the at least 40 percent.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: At least 40 percent. All right.
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That's what --I made the wrong note there.
MR. JOHNSON: No worries. No worries.
All right. And then moving --moving on to the museum use,
12.8 percent of the first through third pennies goes to the county
museums. Again, that's capped at 2 million. Any excess goes to
the promotion fund, and then we have nonco ty museums at
3.2 percent-ish of the first through third pe
And that is all the uses, which you
already touched on this. This is Ex •
development ordinance, and this i
ere in the --we've
our tourist
pment plan.
Any questions on this --an is at all, the
current uses?
(No response.)
MR. JOHNSON:
This chart depict t e re
to FY '24. Ju
because we ha
there's about $8
fully ex to b -.-
kind
I just .
Obvious
you can see
any given year.
ve into the revenue then.
ed fro --annually for FY '1 7
lumn is green is
...,.,.lc ___ s coming in. So
.ecord in FY '22 and FY '24. I
tions this year.
our ----""'··"" -this kind of --this chart
line is I different year, from '17 to '24.
ow the money's coming in.
·, e a de tinati on in the winter months, and
in March with our collections, typically, on
COMMISSI O ·~ _ McDANIEL: And those collections lag 30
days.
MR. JOHNSON: It's actually --we collect it. It's 60 days --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Sixty days.
MR. JOHNSON: --because the --for our accrual fund
accounting, we'll collect the money in November, and that's related to
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stays in September.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Accrual fund accounting.
So that peak in March is actually revenue that was generated in
January?
MR. JOHNSON: I've adjusted this to be the month that it's
collected.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: . Good, good, good.
Thank you.
MR. JOHNSON: Yep. All ri
on this when we brought up the b -t slide.
for TDC revenue for FY '25. A -
conservative approach, but this kin
see there in Fund 1107 th
excess over that would 'J!t'Ooj!'I,,,_
And with th t that
other question
COM ,...,,....17"",,
I kind of touched
• . is the budget
. You'll
at 2 . Any
romotion Fund.
ti on. If there's any
m ..
--I don't know. I
made a su • relegate this over to ResourceX
and h
I me
• e back to us with some advice?
eah.
-: I'd --
: I' _ . like to hear what they say.
M . .L..&.'9..:t,J can get with Chris.
CHAI 1
, lttFl~,::.11..1 : As far as the uses of --the maximums --
COMMIS S McDANIEL: Uses, appropriations,
recommendations, working with our staff to give us some
recommendations with regard to --because I don't want to just throw
a dart and say, "We're putting too much into promotion, or we're
putting" --you know, you can't put enough into beach renourishment.
But I don't want to throw a dart. I would like someone to have
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a look at, and there again, have a discussion about is it time for us to
allocate another penny to --and, again, that field house --I'm
hammering on that field house because that's an 80,000-square-foot
Cat 5 indoor stadium inside of --east of I-7 5 for flood protection,
for --you know, as we heard this morning, you run from the water.
And if 1-75 floods during storm surge, we're • trouble.
So I would like to have some more a i done and our board
to have some discussions on what we C.,.....:.,-...·
for.
MR. JOHNSON: So just so
you're talking about in order in
allocations based on the authorize
currently are collecting a ... ~ .. N.""
sixth penny collection.
COMMISSIONER Mc..._~.L
I'd like to see.
CHAI :'
approach
a sol·
wha
e everything
ndat ion on the
we
tentl di tional
-with an aggressive
-' 10 , and then maybe just
do. But I'd like to see
uch money, and where we
C
co
: Commissioner Kowal.
OW AL: Thank you, Chair.
'f topic, but I --because I guess it kind of
deals with it, too, b . use it's talking about the tourism money.
I had --a few weeks back I had a meeting. People asked to
meet with me, and it was the BID group, which is basically the
business group on Fifth Avenue. It's all the businesses, restaurants,
everybody that deals with Fifth A venue created their own --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Stay up on the mic. I can
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hardly hear you.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: I'm sorry. I had a meeting
with --it's called the BID. I guess they call theirselves the BID.
And I know last year we had talked about the Visit Florida where we
didn't --or did participate in the Visit Florida with the tourism, and I
think we voted not to last year and see where e are. I can't
remember if that's right or not.
MS. PATTERSON: You directe
come back when we had metrics tha •
benefit we get from Visit Florida.
back to you; it's still in work. S
money to it at this point.
COMMISSIONER .... "~~.~113N
I ask is because they w
past --they've done it i
they couldn't
curious if tha
trying to wr
further research and
as not come
o · t allocate
ecause the ly reason
--.... ,,..I guess in the
_____ and they were told
• ate . So I'm just
you know, I'm just
touris director, for the record.
'aUerso:n just said, we are planning
actually •• • bac to you at the next Board of County
Commi sio onsider ation.. But we did do an analysis,
and we have an ,:~fie"( r you.
COMMISSIO _ KOWAL: Okay. All right. Thank you,
Jay.
CHAIRMAN HALL: So do we need to make a motion to
accept the presentation with the direction given?
MR. JOHNSON: I don't think that would hurt.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So moved.
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1:15.
October 22, 2024
CHAIRMAN HALL: I'll second it. All in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HALL: Goodjo
MR. JOHNSON: Thank yo
CHAIRMAN HALL: Let'
(A luncheon recess ~,m_ .... ~_...,,
MS. PATTERSON:
CHAIRMAN HALL:
p.m. to 1: 1 . .m.)
live mic.
do we have here?
Item #1 lA
D IREC ~~ ~Ml.J A SPORTS COMPLEX
EXP -~ ~ TUDYFORTHEFUTURE
PHA ....... _..__.,....__.. ~~E CO ST SPORTS COMPLEX TO BE
COND~----_D I_ PARTNERS, SEEKA TOURIST
DEVELO I T I E RECOMMENDATION FOR THE
EXPENDIT RJST DEVELOPMENT TAXES FOR
THE TO URIS ~iw--!i~T STUDY, AND PROVIDE DIRECTION
TO PROCEED ·w . AN ADDITIONAL FIELD (FIELD 9) AND
THE ASSOCIATED RESTROOM, SHELTER STRUCTURE,
PARKING, AND SITE WORK TO COMPLETE PHASE 3 -
MOTION TO PROCEED W/PHASE 3 BY COMMISSIONER
SAUNDERS; SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KOWAL -
APPROVED; MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
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HUNDEN PARTNERS STUDY OF PHASES 4 & 5 BY
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS; SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL -APPROVED
MS. PATTERSON: We're starting at 1 lA. This item was
continued from the October 8th, 2024, BCC eting. It's a
recommendation to direct staff to proceed a sports complex
expansion and tourism impact study for ture phases of the
Paradise Coast Sports Complex to b duct y Hunden Partners,
seek a Tourist Development Com ation for the
expenditure of tourist developm taxes for the to impact
study, and provide direction to pro :,,a:,•~i field, Field
9, and the associated restE--·-shelter d site
work to complete Phase 3.
Mr. Ed Finn, your Dep ,
MR. FINN·
r, is here to present.
innan. Edward Finn,
w-on o a meeting we had
Sports Complex seeking some
do j ust at obtain some direction and
prov1 cee~~ with Phase 3, which we talked about
at lengt 1 1ave a 1i , more here . Not necessarily to proceed,
proceed, but low u o do preliminary steps to have this
thing --have tha ·~~ eady to go to bid sometime after the
proposed study is c • p leted.
Background, history that Commissioner McDaniel enjoys so
much. I'll skip to TDT funding on a critical path. Generally
speaking, the Hunden study is a requirement.
(Cell phone sounding.)
MS. PATTERSON: That's me.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Please remember to shut off
your cell phones.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: My god. We're in the
bizarro world. There's another Amy Patterson somewhere having a
county commission meeting.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Rem
it is when your phone goes off during a m
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: ____,..__,._
MR. FINN: It's all going to co
cost me.
COMMISSIONER LoCAS
of anything important in this c
to be concerned about?
MR. FINN: And
your district, ab t
COMMI
ber how embarrassing
g?
going to cost him.
It's all going to
in charge
t we need
o lutely not.
MR.
speaking
.... !!"" ... __ ica I criteria, generally
in te
, from probably a technical sense
as kind of a smart business
sens ...... -~ m.t"'C"Tllll!lent .
atter, and this should look
fami 1 e e . It is a field, parking, some
connect! om acili ty, and a shelter structure. Phase
4 is over to side, and that's an I I-field --multipurpose
fields focuse 1. Phase 5 is the concept of a field house.
Again, on the t-hand side there is a sense of the specifics of
Phase 3, and we'll see here that there is some work that is done.
Design is I 00 percent complete. Lighting is in place. A fair
amount of fill is in place. And we still need to do a bid
package --bid package, finalize any design elements, and bring this
thing out to bid.
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I'm going to focus on the first bullet here, which is enhanced
guest experience. So it's going to complete the improvements that
were contemplated as part of Phase 2. Parking, site flow, sheltering,
restroom access, of course, additional field capacity. Revenue
projections are shown there. And Hunden will ultimately provide
the final economic impact numbers, but our rator has estimated
marginally 5 to $6 million through the ad . • of this capacity.
Phase 4 we've talked about before , fields on the east side
of the project. The --you can see ~~~ are already in
place. There's still fill that's re ~......... merou other
improvements, but the core oft • n place.
Last minute --or not last o our
thinking is potentially c ·~= .... ~~::::,.,... CJl11M1JJ -into an
actual amphitheater as ,,__,.%~~ crete --concrete
seating arrangem nt th JL-;JW an amphitheater.
Phase 5 i his has a pretty
wide --wid ~~.,..~ ased on a
generally u • e as hardening.
avail
stud
after-
sense o
studying t
has a field ho
illion. That funding is
und. Hunden Partners
c rnp lex, give us essentially an
1 e done and how effective it's been, a
pact of the project, as well as a sense of
f Big Corkscrew Regional Park, which also
ted, and potentially giving us some direction
might provide the best overall investment in
our funds, whether to harden the structure of Big Corkscrew or this or
potentially both.
And our recommendation is to direct staff to proceed with the
expansion and tourism impact fee --impact study for the current and
future phases to be conducted by Hunden Partners. And our next
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step would be to bring this to the TDC and get their approval for the
study and the expenditure of funds, at which point it would come
back to the Board for a final recommendation and a finding that the
expenditure promotes tourism.
And as I noted before, relative to Phase 3, because it is fairly
close, because the entire facility was designe o put us on the sports
tourism map --and I think that it's --I'm £ • comfortable saying
Hunden is going to conclude that, yes, • have a positive benefit
to tourism businesses in the area; th ____ fact, -have some nominal
work to complete, but it does t ake e .
Our suggestion would be to Ye some direc t io start on
that --the final steps to get us to th int re when have a bid
package, and sometime b e that bi,.,.-~ t is awarde , , e Hunden
study will, in fact, be in ha ---· to the TDC as well as
this board.
CH :-.m~imt"' back to the slide
that tal
al annual revenue is 300,000
d be for the marginal --marginal of
this -o have Mr. Adams, the vice president
for Spo agement, here who can perhaps talk a little
better on t e some specific questions that I'm not
getting to, we co ...___...~~-..,~ntially bring him up.
CH_AJRMAN . L : I was just strictly looking at ROI, which
it's not good, but it's not bad.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: What's hotel commissions?
MR. FINN: I beg your pardon, sir.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Hotel commissions.
MR. FINN: Hotel commissions are --when the facility sells
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hotel rooms themselves or through their publicizing, they do receive
some commission that works into the revenue stream.
a --
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner Locastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Thank you, Chairman.
So this was just informational, right? You're not looking for
MR. FINN: No. We're specificall~ ing for approval to
move forward with the Hunden study.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTR •
MR. FINN: As I men ti one you that this is
the final step in getting the Hu 't thus far.
Since the Board gave us direct 've worked
through a single-source ...,. ..... -...,.,,,,... ecessary wo 1ng
through that.
Some of the Board
2018, Hunden
They've don
procuremen
the b
whi
Boar
ck in 2015 through
initial study.
unty , and the
tg with staff, that they were in
ost efficiently.
ppro -~----ve forward with the next step,
ing on -his and bring it back to the
tha _ -nsu lting contract.
oCA'.S TRO: Well, I'm certainly not trying
I'd like to move forward to get, you know,
more specifics, '!"!_~,,._,-01ne things that are important to me, you
know, when we 1ne _ one on one.
We can build anything, but we can't build everything. And so,
you know, I've always looked at the sports complex saying, "Where's
the sweet spot?" You know, I realize ifwe build 10 baseball fields,
teams will come, and then, you know, the revenue numbers are
sometimes a little bit arguable because what you're saying is, "Well,
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it will create jobs, and then people stay at hotels." And, yeah, that's
a money revenue generator for the community, but I mean, you
know, at some point there's --you pass the sweet spot of, you know,
you can't --you know, we're not trying to build a Taj Mahal here or,
you know, something that's --that's more than what is needed. And
also, too, money is an object. So that's one t ·ng.
Number two, I'd also like to see spec· ifwe do a deeper dive
on the monthly and annual, you know, ance costs. So it's
great to throw in 10 fields and all thi • -·,,..,.,.ake sure we can
afford this thing.
So, you know, I've said be :6
said he would build us a $200 milh
keys, and then walk away; ___ .._'""ul d we ·
hope anybody that has a sB
know." I would take that b
came here and
d us the
would
wer would be, "I don't
'-"'WI¥-""-"-. 't be an automatic,
you know, b eca I build
can sustain -
tourism, wh·
er than what you
~m~tain ·~...a nd you know,
dolla
sto-·,rr -.--..1:...:
_1 an upcoming meeting, those
very hurricane and every
e sure that we don't have
son1e ou _ w , a sucking chest wound every 12
months mucli to keep it afloat.
And t u also , ve to realize, too, people that use this
complex on a re _,,._,... i love it, but, you know, I think we all hear
from people that li round near it that --that aren't screaming from
the mountaintop saying this thing's wonderful. You know, they're
concerned about, you know, traffic and the big events and all that.
So I'm not saying any of that shoots down my support. It's just
that as we expand the aperture and you do a deeper dive, it's not just
about here's what it's going to cost, here's what it's going to get us. It
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gives us Phase 3, 4, and 5, yes or no. I mean, I'd like to see --you
know, peel back the onion a little bit more and, you know, if we build
it, is it something we can truly sustain? Do we want it, or do we
need it, you know? That's an answer that I'm going to have to have.
I mean, I know we want --you know, folks that are supportive
of the sports complex know all it could be be -u e we have the
acreage, but is it a --is it really a need or i ' -or it's a want. We
already have a lot out there now so --r 1 ~--ven more than I would
have voted for if I would have been • seat way back
when. So anything further, you IKJUi~ -need a lot more
detail rather than just, you know, e have the 1none always been
the plan, so we're going to do it re g , you
know, bring X number 0£ . lars to ili.~• . n, that
won't be enough for me.
But I wouldn't --I ,vou
doing a deeper-• dy , be
you've got to
So --but, Y~~"
than j usJtm~~it co .
susta · ent.
:ything that holds up
ers I'm looking for,
oo 1ng for a little bit more
o the community
· t of co ,ty parks right now that aren't
the sp we 'It a lot of amazing things, and then,
you kno that we either couldn't sustain them --and
it's not just I've got stuff in my own district that I don't
think is squea ~-..:.,-~ et when they cut a ribbon on it, everybody
patted themselves o_ ·• e back, but then where was the budget to keep
it looking, you know, pristine? After a while, it sort of went by the
wayside.
And this is like a park on steroids. I mean, this is like --this is
ginormous. And we have some things that are pretty small and
manageable that we've struggled to maintain.
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I realize, you know, sometimes it sounds like we have this
endless amount of tourism dollars, but just from the previous
briefing, we could be using those dollars for lots of different things.
And so continuing to, you know, feed this is something that's going
to --it's going to be a little bit of a longer, you know, meeting in my
office for me, maybe the same for all of us, b I'm going to need
something deeper than just here's what it c , here's what it brings
to the community, and it's always been T.fllll!nl
MR. FINN: Understood. Y es
CHAIRMAN HALL: Com
COMMISSIONER SA ,
I think I'll make a couple co,..,..,.,-i'1111112:t,•,1ts a I have a
few questions. First of a hen this
there were several goals in
athletic fields and park faci h
this really fits th
a regional par --~,. ...
minus on that p ,
bit more:i4111· Fl!
nal p
for o esidents. at v
cept w eveloped
we needed more
, ulat ion . And so
orkscrew Park is
million plus or
e g, and maybe a little
11 the same concept, that this
for a lot of athletic facilities
Tli cond goa -----ria an opportunity to enhance
tourism. , of cou , this park does that, and I hope that we get
some inf orma abou he heads in beds and what is the real
park right now and what will be the
economic impact o is park when our professional soccer team is
advertising Collier County basically all over the country and, I
assume, probably in other parts the world. I think that will be a huge
generator for advertising --free advertising for the community. I
think it is a tremendous potential generator of tourism in terms of
getting hotels filled, getting our restaurants busy, especially in the off
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season.
And then the other component of this, the other objective, was to
find a way to pay for this where our residents weren't being taxed to
pay this. And so we developed the fifth cent of the tourist tax to
fund this. So we actually have a regional park that ultimately we
would have had to build somewhere to meet • · ~ needs of our kids.
We're able to do this and enhance to . ••
it on the backs of our tourists. And so •
about return of investment, there's n
positive return on investment in t -
nd we're able to do
en you start talking
ecessarily, a
sh Collier
County receives from this park. e only
component of ROI. You've got to v1ng
these facilities for our ki.....,__..11111,1.-.... _You've . t t e I fi ts of
investment, that it oe
revenue for th
other stream
So I ho
just s ·
The ,·~-·
. ere ' s a huge return on
erating enough
ecause we have
~"'1"", ... is c,....,..,.,,.,.,unity.
this a little bit more broadly than
_ __,1. it's "'t ing money to operate.
it. e ould be --we would be
oper tty, ,rge re g onal park anyway. And so this
way
generat
they'll com
I don't know 1
is doing.
ci h . . at is paid for by the tourists,
hope that --the local tourist industry, I hope
let us know what is the real positive benefit.
ny of those numbers right now of what this
And when we get into making some decisions, Mr. Chairman, I
would suggest that we kind of break this up into a couple different
pieces. We had a 4-1 vote to move forward with Phase 3, which is
the tenth field, if I'm getting that correct?
MR. FINN: Yes.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And so --
MR. FINN: We're --yes, Phase 3 is this last field that's shown
on the screen relative to that.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: My assumption is that this is
not really a particularly controversial issue to do that field, that phase.
The money's there. A lot of the work's alrea been done. The
design work has been completed, basicall __ ,....,o I'm hoping that
perhaps on a separate motion we defini forward with that, but
then I think we're going to need a li t onversation in
reference to the Hunden study. I I e forward with
that.
We only had a 3-2 vote to ha ou c at, and I
d with hope there's still three --aLl'tl~ast three T,Nli,J,AI ve
that study, because I think -...,,;,r .. -this facility and
looking into the distant fu tu th1 • 1 be a • . , I think, that will
ink it's a facility
pecially with the
serve this comm r the n t 50
that will really
professional soc
are exc1 · ·, ut h •
pro £
thing
So
support1
study come
we can procee
. 1 --the soccer families
or their kids to see
have soccer camps and those
,efit.
orward with the Hunden study, I'm
, ·th Phase 3, and when the Hunden
1ng that there's good information on how
4 and Phase 5.
MR. FINN: -, sir.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner Kowal.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Thank you, Chairman.
You know, I think in the original meeting, I could stand behind,
you know, the Phase 3. I think it makes sense to keep moving
forward in that direction, definitely on Phase 3. I did have some
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question about the other two phases, or flip-flopping those phases,
because I kind of agree with Commissioner McDaniel down there. I
think the field house might --should move up, I think, in the . progression.
But the questions I have, maybe for you, Ed, is --I know we've
got the graph of the actual field here, that's • 9. So is there
anything different to this field in refere e other eight fields?
MR. FINN: Yes, sir. Physical .,.~1 .rger surface. The
surface you see there in white, I b ""cial turf.
You have a shelter buildin avilion Building
21. You have the path --the in gray that are
important. You have a athw north end,
which accesses more p ·• UJMIIV' ou r,ee here,
parking on busy days is n.
So this is a --nd · o e uilding 18, which is
kind of show "-ff!~gllll ~ill•~ h ay between the
new field an ~l'A'_IO ,thway is the restroom
facility, and ,-'t5#jbh • improve the customer
expene ~~,,.~ o to us that's --to your
pro fi ... .: __ ,, ion when Hunden is able to
dem~!=::!!" LI. ... ~ efi ts and it has the economic
impact
In the t we re asking is the authority to move
forward with st ep s necessary to get to having this thing
potentially bid, ........... ~~~ -~-,. ork --some of that work can be done
before the Hunden . cly is complete. That's what we're seeking.
Ultimately, the Board will still have to approve the construction
contract, which is the lion's share of the dollar amount we're talking
about for this phase right now.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: So I know in the presentation
you had mentioned at the Naples FC, that this would help if
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their --basically along with their process and their operations
because --would this be, like, a --if need be, they could do a
designated practice field on this because it's similar to the stadium
field versus the other ones or --
MR. FINN: To a certain extent. I think I might describe it a
little differently. The FC Naples utilizing th tadium takes that out
of circulation for other events, including u ,..,,_J I ..... the public. This
would restore that capacity for other e ,~l!'IPlltllm d the --
COMMISSIONER KOWAL:
they're doing just practice and the
stadium, they could do most of t
the stadium is available for other to
can go on simultaneously
MR. FINN: I wuu ld1'G!i~j-,.,.
whether they're --
CO MMI S S ·
MR.F
me. The
met
diary .
, game in the
I don't know
nd about right?
. wa . 1 believe they --excuse
1 adiun1 right now for practice?
• Mr. Chairman, could I
liu1n and do this directly as
od .. moon, Commissioners. Adrian
F ac ili ty Companies as general manager of
the Paradis • Complex.
The sho ~~~ the question is when we have these
economic impact e its of the weekend, they're using the stadium.
When we have a game in the stadium, that involves --for FC Naples,
that's going to involve a full day of operations. So now a tournament
that uses nine fields, now we can only use eight.
Restoring this field means that the current capacity of
tournaments that we can have remains the same, and when there
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aren't games, we actually increase the amount of capacity that we
have for tournaments. So we can drive the numbers that came up on
the slide that was shown. We're not going to get any bigger events,
but the events that we have can get bigger, if that makes sense.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: That was kind of the answer I
was looking for.
MR. MOSES: Okay. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissim.1fL.ilN1'lli!I
COMMISSIONER McDANIE • t a thought
process. Someday I'd like an up the facility.
We're still using --in one of yo •• re showing
the location. That slide ri ht t ore stuff
in between our park and ·~~l~--· t er ard s 951.
I'd like to see an update .......... ~~ lf Lodge and its
proximity, the mi ion-s -~Ac hat's now located
there, and thei ave parking
access agreem ,_..... 1n the Uline.
MR.F I.
co
n .ed property that's utilized as a
grass y don't necessarily want us using
their pa
CO cD NIEL : Okay. Well, I thought I
remembered ying there was some cross-access or
additional over ing in the --at least in the Uline. I know
the --I know the G t Wolf Lodge, they pretty much consume all of
their parking just for their facility.
Then, Commissioner Saunders, your comments with regard to
the driving force of this facility for promotion for the community for
hotel rooms, I mean, I did a --I did a --I did a visit at the Great Wolf
Lodge last month, and then they were already over 10,000 room
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nights generated just simply off of events that are upcoming from this
park; 3,500 for the balance of this year, and then it was 6,500 room
nights for next year, so ...
Now, with regard specifically to Phase 3, are there more
bathroom facilities needed and is the pavilion needed?
MR. FINN: Yes.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL:
again --I mean, ultimately we're goi
Hunden study and such as to what
up doing with the balance ofth·
for --you know, for 500,000 fo
because those are always nece
. I don't want to,
• d e based upon the
......... ~ e're going to end
, 't want to short it
athrooms
But I'm in
support of going f orwar ~':~~;
2
~-se 3.
Does this not also ... -...,...._, rculation for people
to be able to move m T -•·""' r to the southern
part of all the Ju ,w~.L iAJlli~ .-.......... now?
MR. .,....~ortan t component to
the custo
to --
Right. Well, do you want to
I think it's just easier for us
CHA eah. I can segregate it up. I just want
to make a c o , !i.:!'!'.:~ts first.
So the Hun ~v--y's going to show what the economic impact
for tourism would , n Phases 4 and 5.
MR. FINN: As well as --as well as 3 and the current facilities.
CHAIRMAN HALL: So that's something that's just necessary
to use the TDT monies?
MR. FINN: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN HALL: And I'm fine with that. That's all fine.
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The way that I look --what about the debt that we borrowed
against the tax dollars that we're supposed to pay back? We're
paying back, like, $250,000 a year, and it will be, like, a 40-year
payback. How much money have we got already borrowed against
the tax dollars?
MR. FINN: The dollars you're talking
loan from TDT funds. I think we're in th
" out are an interfund
_ ond year of repayment
Mr. Johnson and I are at about 500,000 a year. You can rest
looking hard at that. We probably
increase that in the future.
There is another line of tho ,
are TDT dollars, and there may be
e seeking to
that those
available
to us. We'll come back • --if not ~.-JfJ .a
comme:ndation on that.
t is or my --the
minimum in next year's bu ·th som
CHAIRMAN HALL: I " _ my
curiosity is, how~&w
TDT money?
MR.F
funds?
MR.
yes, of course,
COMMIS -
a second.
we pay back the
ou pay that back with the
ich is the money that's
t ion fund.
pay back TDT with TDT
ndeman standing at the podium says, "Why,
KOWAL: I looked at the other podium for
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So did I. I was wondering
what gentleman he was talking about.
CHAIRMAN HALL: I mean, I like that, ifwe can --ifwe can
do that, if we're collecting money from the tourists and we're paying
back the money that we borrowed from the tourists.
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MS. PATTERSON: Ed, maybe you just need to clarify that the
loan came from the beach side, and that's going to be --
MR. FINN: Yes. And the County Manager is, of course,
right. If you think back to the table that Mr. Johnson showed you,
you'll see that TDT is all colored a certain color, and then within that
it has nuance colors. So the nuance of wher -e borrowed the
money from with beach funds. The nuan...__,.,:~r the sports complex
are sports complex funds.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Okay.
that Mr. Johnson showed, my eye
can pay it back with just a differ .
question I had.
Are we limited to 70
million?
MR. FINN:
Attorney's Offic~;.e~
MR.KL
CHAIRM~
back to the charts
I'm glad that we
o that was a
efer to the County
o --can the other
. i have to be general revenue.
~ .... ...,.,.,.,,.. Okay. o with those figures, you know,
can be done with tourism money. I
love tha. that s the taxpayers', the 27.7 million,
based on in annual revenues, not counting cost of
goods sold, w ~~~;;-••Tou ld lower that amount anyway, that return
would be 11 --t _ _ uld be 11 percent return on our investment,
which is --that's getting better, because overall it's only a 3 percent,
which is "no bueno."
MR. FINN: And if I may, Mr. Chairman, that question is
probably going to be a little bit more nuanced than that. There are
other sources of funds in the sports complex fund.
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CHAIRMAN HALL: Yeah, I'm just --I'm looking at the
additional 9 million. And I said before, and I'll say it again, it's not if
we do this, but maybe just not now.
The driving force --the driving force for tourism, the driving
force for the park existence, the driving force for FC Naples, all of
that, that's done with what we already have e • ting. That's not
including --we have all of that without ad • Phase 3. We have
eight other fields to practice on other th .,.,'" ... -. one field that we want
to build.
And I'm not going to fight
are just thoughts that I have wh
debt, whether --you know if it'
have we incurred to date
If we do Phase 3,
my main question? A
want to kind o
things that w
gettin touri
didn'
tit, but these
me of the
. What
plex?
is, I guess, really
abor it, but I do
TT _ .. ,_. ts. Because the
tting --we are
ss acility here, and I
ary right now moving
athrooms and some parking
on the east side.
ERS: Thank you.
come on up for just a moment. While he's
coming to the : ~~ in assuming that we can use park impact fees
as part of that other percent.
MS. PATTERSON: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And so we're not going to be
digging into ad valorem taxpayers for this --for that, so that's another
alternative.
CHAIRMAN HALL: That's great.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And that's --the newcomers
are paying those impact fees.
My way of --to my way of thinking, this Phase 3 is something I
believe is needed for making sure that our professional soccer team
has the facilities that they need when they need them and that our
residents are able to have the ability to use th e fields.
So my recollection from the executiv mary is that by
having Field No. 9 constructed, that inc the use of the
community by 22 percent.
So I guess the first question • -
terms of the professional soccer,
• erms of FC --in
:is field --does
this help enhance your ability to m~.,.Y'af-~
professional soccer team? -·~· MR. MOSES: I'm s -, .
question.
COMMIS S
to get at is y
the public u
ofthe
re I understand the
_ ess what I'm trying
ow, we're competing with
1 anaging the facility and the use
olute . Ii e's a term that I use,
atel y, an ery le org ·zati on that uses the facility
this room about the challenges that we have in
meeting tn _ • mand o e current use that we have. The term that I
use is that we • conve nee everyone equally." Nobody gets the
field space that t IA'II.A",:a,--t or need at the moment.
Adding one fi , it's very similar to the discussion that was had
earlier about the affordable housing. We've got so much demand for
these fields. These are great strides. An additional field would be
great strides in the direction of being able to meet the need, but it still
doesn't meet the needs, and that speaks more to what --the reason
why Field --Phase 4 is important as well.
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Ultimately, the reason why the return on the investment,
Commissioner Hall, is not as high as it should be is because we're
very affordable for our user groups. Ifwe charged similar rates to
comparable facilities around the country, that number would be much
higher. But ultimately, we keep it affordable for our local
programming groups because we want to.
We want to make sure that many peo
opportunity to use this world-class faci • heir local backyard.
But ultimately, the impact ofFC Na on tli
explained the first time I came up he real impact of
this field is increasing the amou f space and tim
provide our local sports organizatio to pl
CHAIRMAN HAL.---~hat's he ver ha my life
made emotional decisi -1ways e financial decisions, so
o --but that's a good my brain just goes to -...a..ac~--".Lf.,.,_-.. ~•1
"' ... e th
explanation.
Sowha
people down?
M
make
to the po
3, that we p
CHAi j,
with Phase 3?
a difference for me.
Then, Mr. Chairman, I'll
with the staff --making --getting us
-fun _ and construct Field No. 9, Phase No.
at.
111U~--: So you're making a motion to go forward
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Just Phase 3.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: I'll second.
CHAIRMAN HALL: All right. Motion and second for
approval of Phase 3.
All in favor, say aye.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Opposed?
(No response.)
October 22, 2024
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: ~~:.~ n I think,
Mr. Chairman, the other issue that 'th is whether or
not to fund a study to go forward developing
Phase 4 and Phase 5. I know t whether the
field house should be Phase 4 a 5, but I
think that's what the Hun-:1-1-~~ a LL~t.wr" n .......... LIU.~ if we
don't do this study, we •·• to do not ing with
Phase 4 and Phas e 4 and Phase 5,
but we're sho §A'lllijll hink that we
really --just • ""~---~ ,.l--Ji:l!llld .. _...,,,,,,, .... i"J-1 .....,,.. ... -. a $150 million
park. I thin ave Hunden do an
anal d'Slli -,;~'"'m,,.,~t,"' Mr. Moses and the staff
that' ____ ur next step. And so I'm
go ~~=........ .."'_.._ rd with that.
,_. _ : And I'll second it. And I
_ n, we have to do the study before we
can --before d the --before we can spend the TDT
money anyway. ~---~---bl'..-,..., dy is requisite, and then the TDC --the
Tourist Developme _ ounci)'s approval and then coming to this
board, those have to be done as a requisite for us to utilize these
funds. So I'm happy with the --to second that motion --
CHAIRMAN HALL: Motion and second for the deeper dive of
the Hunden study. All in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
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COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HALL: That one's do · ·
MR. FINN: Thank you for the th~-~
gentlemen. Appreciate it.
Item #1 lC
AN AGREEMENT FOR Wfli. • ~
CONSERVATION CO LLffl_~
WITH SYMPHONY PRO P
PROPERTY AT T OF
NOTTOEXC ·
-MOTION TO ~ ....
BASED ~-Q..ss
SEC
THE
NPROGRAM
50.0-ACRE
OTALCOST
LOSING COSTS
THIS PROPERTY
SSIONER LOCASTRO;
ANIEL -APPROVED
_mis ·ioners, that brings us to
Item 11 C, . cto ber 8th, 2024, BCC meeting.
This is a reco to approve an agreement for sale and
purchase under ~.,., ervation Collier Land Acquisition Program
with Symphony Pr -rtie , LLC, for a 150-acre property at a cost of
$4,015,000 for a total cost not to exceed $4,035,150 inclusive of
closing costs.
Ms. Jaime Cook, your division director for Development
Review, is here to present or answer questions.
(Mr. Finn left the boardroom for the remainder of the meeting.)
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MS. COOK: Jaime Cook, your director of Development
Review.
So the Symphony Properties is 11 parcels all adjoining with one
another located in the northeast comer of the Belle Meade Overlay
within Collier County. It is north of both the North Belle Meade
Conservation Collier Preserve as well as the • . Robert Gore
Conservation Collier Preserve.
It abuts the Miller Canal to its ea . t __..,,.-. t south of the
Golden Gate Main Canal and Fr ang-i The total property
is 150 acres of mostly upland hab · flatwoods,
palmetto prairie and, improved O acres is
designated as Rural Frin e Mi . s and the
rest of the property is R Ullllr .
The purchase price raised value of the
property, though I will c-fWRlH -otiate a lower
purchase pric
And the . are • hdy higher than you
see on other · are expanded maintenance and
manage~~I!!~~~ propose for these
prop 'e both listed species habitat.
Gop ...... "',...., in the area, and there is a
poten as a gopher tortoise recipient site,
includin ·ects, uch as Public Utilities projects or
Transporta It is also within an area identified for the
Red-Cockade ker Recovery Plan.
Additionally, area and this property would be used to install
trails and firebreaks to help with wildlife management within the
area. And there is potential for public use on this property to include
camping --there are some cabins on this property --as well as public
hunts, environmental education, and as I said before, the gopher
tortoise recipient site.
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This property does abut about 115 acres of property owned by
the school board as well, so there may be some opportunities for
interlocal cooperation with the school board for environmental
education activities.
Because this site was used as --a portion of the site was used as
a shooting range with berms, as well as previ s ag activities, an
environmental --Phase 2 environmental a ment is recommended,
and 10 percent of the purchase price wi ld in escrow until that
Phase 2 assessment is done to dete ediation is needed.
If remediation is needed, then tha before that
$400,000 would be released.
And with that, staff is recomm urchase
agreement with Symphon opertie [sic] for a
cost of $4,015,000, for a C --1 not to $4,035,150 inclusive
of the closing costs.
And with t
CHAI 1
answerw
environ ,
a --t_._111',.t
auto
wit _
have.
, I want you to
ve e Phase 2
ad because we had
es that mean that we
r can we let the animals live
M woul _ actually be up to the State at that
point. The f Environmental Protection regulates all
those retne diatio ~---~~ ies.
CHAJRMA L : Okay. And then my question for you,
Commissioner McDaniel, you're our Sending and Receiving expert.
So we have 110 acres of Sending Lands, so is that going to --would
that give us additional value?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It's --say that question again.
CHAIRMAN HALL: So we have --there's 150 acres, 40 of it
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is Neutral --
CO MMIS SI ONER McDANIEL: Right.
CHAIRMAN HALL: --from the RLSA; 110 acres are
Sending.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Sending.
CHAIRMAN HALL: So is there addif • 1a1 value that
Conservation Collier would have with tho
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL:
CHAIRMAN HALL: Do you
COMMISSIONER McD A
have to go through the proces
the --and then our previous a
ordinance would allow t
Conservation Collier.
CHAIRMAN HALL:
COMMISS
CHAI :' ,
jgbt answer.
that correctly?
COMMIS I looked at the County
Okay. The shooting range,
do you kn f hooting range it was? Was it a rifle into
a berm, or wa • a n range? Because the remediation costs
are different for ,11w;--~==~ut a berm.
MS. COOK: elieve it was shotgun.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. Those are more
expensive to remediate.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: But isn't it true, I mean, you
only have to remediate it if we were going to tum this into a golf
course or build apartment complexes on it, but if we're buying it for
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Conservation Collier and just preserving it, why would we
have --and like you said, you have to get that answer, but I'll be
flabbergasted if we have to remediate it. It makes no sense to me.
You know, like I said, if we were going to build an elementary
school on top of this property, yeah, you need remediation or
anything else, but if we're just changing hand of --you know,
changing owners, and then we're preservi 1n perpetuity, I'd be
shocked if we had to remediate it.
MS. COOK: Potentially ifwe --.--~~ pand some of
maybe the camping uses and put
where the berms were; potentiaU
COMMISSIONER McDANI
the Department's decisio 1
to have to be remediated a 1
other thing you h t
become publi
right now it'
been shooti
the
on the property
onte
aspect. That's the
ion Collier. These
blic. Because
e to sign a "I promise not to eat
: Don't go there.
I always say.
cD NIEL : Don't go there. Don't go
there.
CH • 1
•• . 'Vii;;,a,.. ... ·: Troy, do we have public comment?
MR. MIL . 1 es, we do, sir. We have one commenter on
this item.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner Kowal is first.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Thank you, Chairman. I keep
hitting that button late. Actually, there's two, so there's somebody
else, too.
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So think --as far as you know, it was, like, a skeet and trap
range out there? Do we have any idea how long it existed?
MS. COOK: That I do not know, but you can actually --it's not
super easy to see in the picture, but this is the berm, and these were
some of the covered areas that people were shooting in --shooting
from and shooting towards that berm.
rs ago, I know they
•.L~., everybody use steel
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Some
took the lead shot out of the shotgun an
because the birds and waterf ow 1 wo
COMMISSIONER McDAN
d shot.
for waterfowl
s or --hunting, not for shooting at the r
COMMISSIONER KOWAL:
COMMISSIONER .L~~ANIEL: e stil ead.
COMMISSIONER K
years ago, then t w
makes sense
Ms.c,
COM
come out, _
establish the ~{Ya
feasible site.
to think, if it was 20
there. But that
Sorry.
No. My --the --you tripped
facili ty. Do we have
·lrfflllilW.. t turn this into a mitigation
--
e to work with FWC. They'll
onditions for gopher tortoises, and
e would be able to accept if it were a
COMMISSIO . _ McDANIEL: Okay. Because that, there
again, is an additional value that --because I think right now the
private sector's paying 7-, 8---6-? About 6-, $8,000 a turtle,
tortoise, to relocate them. So before you move them from their
home, you've got to go build them a condo. Then you go get them
from their home and put them in their new condo.
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COMMISSIONER KOWAL: What's the density on that
condo?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Depends. Depends on
traffic flow and signals and right-hand turns.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Depends on affordability.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: No P. • ing needed.
MR. MILLER: Your --I'm sorry. ~1=~ only speaker for this
item is Brad Cornell. This will be a pr~~of his starring role in
the next i tern.
COMMISSIONER LoCAS T
for us buying this property? I'
MR. CORNELL: Brad Con1 .
and Audubon Western EVi
this. This is a big parcel,w~ .. -
want to get. And it's a key
me --a regional
own Gore Pre
the NRP A lands,
this is a
amo
part
uess. Brad's
limb.
Florida
are ·. rt ive of
kind o s uff we
art of a --excuse
ther refuge, your
e mme Sending Lands and
ce Protection Area lands. So
·s Picayune Strand. So
his is an important --a big
ar • m staff, there's the opportunity to use
some o • lings or regional offices for management,
storing equip ~ ... ~v e you know, there's going to be some
important roles o play.
There have be some really intense wildfires in this area
around Frangipani and that part of North Belle Meade and North
Golden Gate Estates. So having control of this to manage the brush
and wildfire and even perhaps do some hydrologic restoration in
connection with other preserves would be a big opportunity for
reducing wildfire risk. So, yes, we're very supportive of this.
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And one other comment. Commissioner Kowal, you were
correct about the waterfowl do pick up lead shot and gravel as, you
know, part of the way they eat and digest stuff, and they don't --you
know, they're not real smart about staying away from lead pellets,
and so that's the issue with leaving it out there in the wild, especially
when it's accumulated a lot. So thank you.
MR. MILLER: And that was your o
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissi ...,,,;:-~•~
COMMISSIONER LoCASTR • · :o.
else has any other questions, I'd
property as-is. I mean, I --like
like what I had written here in my
Collier was meant to buy .
I like this purchase a ~bi~~
puzzle pieces that we hope a
all connected no
don't --if w , acq app
eaker on 11 C.
stro .
n,. unless anybody
buy the
was kind of
one day. This is
or never. If we
I'm a li environmental remediation
r I do have to do something, so I
don't Imo , -ale is contingent upon us
getti __ ,_ . ._.. • ng liK that. I don't want to be stuck
with so --~----e have to remediate this because
there's, • cnic ar ea and three birds that might, you
know, eat , and we have to spend millions to --you
know, and I don ~"-x1hat state it's in as far as the quantity.
But, you kno , e've been burned before in the county a little
bit with remediation that was way more than what we expected. So I
don't know what your thoughts are, you know, Ms. Cook, on the best
way to work this deal, that we have a first right of refusal if there's
some sort of crazy remediation number or, you know, we have other
funds that we can pull from to not lose the property but still meet
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whatever the requirements are for remediation. What's your
thoughts?
MS. COOK: So we would be able to --we will see the results
of that Phase 2 assessment. And if the --if the cost for the
remediation were to be too significant for either us or the seller to
complete, we could walk away from the deal If that were the case,
the seller would then reimburse the count_; ... -....,'""~ the cost of that Phase 2
assessment.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTR •
hoping you'd say, or we'd rest
they don't want to lose out on t
something, or --so that --what
know, for.
So I'd make a moti
know, have you c m
analysis, unle
we pursue p
assessment
.""-"'& ......... a.t's what I was
know, maybe
out
t advice and then, you
outcome was of the
111&1lV I'l ke a motion that
'ke you said, the
• • is -·ioner, we have 180 days to
Yeah.
• mini sioner McDaniel.
added. The •
MS. COO .
COMMISSIO
stripped already.
cD NIEL : We were talking about value
"JI existent for the Sending Lands?
Slf.
McDANIEL: I assume they weren't
MS. COOK: They were not.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. So I'll second the
motion.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Good. We have a motion and second to
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buy the property. All in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Opposed?
(No response.)
MS. COOK: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER LoCAS T
bang on the podium like you we
you were doing?
MS. COOK: I was
COMMISSIONER L
on us? What was that?
CHAIRM L :
good deal. T
about. I like th .
October 22, 2024
-did you just
s that what
ou just do a mic drop
nservation Collier's all
B E _ -• EEN COLLIER COUNTY
TRA •• A EMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT
AND THE ON COLLIER PROGRAM FOR
APPRO X! ~I.Alf.............. ACRES UNDER THE CONSERVATION
COLLIER LAND _ UISITION PROGRAM EXCEPTIONAL
BENEFIT ORDINANCE TO CONSTRUCT A STORMWATER
DRAINAGE POND TO BE USED AS PART OF THE VETERANS
MEMORIAL BOULEVARD EXTENSION PROJECT, AT THE
COST NOT TO EXCEED $1,480,114 -MOTION TO APPROVE
BY COMMISSIONER HALL; SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
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MCDANIEL -APPROVED
MS. PATTERSON: Commissioners, that brings us to
Item 1 lD, formerly 16A24. It's a recommendation to approve a
statutory deed between Collier County Transportation Management
Services Department and the Conservation C lier program for
approximately 7 .51 acres under the Conse on Collier Land
Acquisition Program Exceptional Bene .ma-"~ ce to construct a
stormwater drainage pond to be use Veterans
Memorial Boulevard extension pr exceed
$1,480,114.
This item was moved at Comiii,.~
Commissioner LoCastr
Ms. Trinity Scott,
department he i h
MS.SC I
Management
First of all, .
.
tt, Transportation
r. Cornell because
:re:=.{:s. were from one of his prior
wanted to make sure that
several
pres
when In to apples. So I have to give
him c
To _ ave Jay
as well as our ...-.t-.a._.ulta
Associates that
2021. So it goes 1i
at pond siting for this.
es
-ad and Lorraine Lantz from county staff
tea1n from RW A and Turrell, Hall &
, ke d on this project for the pond siting since
several years of when we just started looking
Just to give a location of where we're at, Veterans Memorial on
the right-hand side of the screen is Livingston Road north/south over
here, is Old 41, and this is U.S. 41. Phase 1 of the project is in red.
That went from Livingston north/south to the new Aubrey Rogers
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High School. That project is complete.
Currently the roadway essentially dead ends at the high school
area. Phase 2 will pick up at that location and continue to U.S. 41.
An important note about taking this all the way to U.S. 41 is the
North Naples Fire Department has a new fire station that actually
lines up with our new intersection as well, so • ey're hot on my heels
to get this roadway done as quick as possi
For Phase 1, we did acquire a pon at is a little larger to be
able to deal with the stormwater in t t rea that is also Basin 1
of the roadway projects. Basin 2 • s up at the ]road and goes
over to Old 41, and Basin 3 goe~• .... m Old 41 over and we've
also already acquired our pond site that . So we
are in need for a pond in ~lo!::,-"asin 2
So we evaluated --w ~ • . J start~m.w
different pond sit t
actually also e ~a!
through our
Advisory
evaluating five
• • r , and then we
ome feedback
e Pond Site No. 1, which is
locat.~~~ emoria l Boulevard extension
west e Railhead Scrub Preserve.
This pr s acquired many years ago by
Conservab , ough all of our analysis, came out
to be the pre..-~~ .
We worke ~""' Conservation Collier team members as well
as have been to the LAC multiple times to talk about this project.
But just to give a little discussion about meeting the exceptional
benefit, the current railhead preserve does not currently have public
access to the property, and that was one of the things that was noted
when the property was purchased, that the public access would come
once the roadway was built. So we know this roadway is also
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important to them to be able to provide their public access as well.
The proposed compensation, once again, it provides the public
access. We've also offered some wildlife connectivity, $35,000 to
be used on the preserve as well as financial compensation to the
program for the property acquired based on the value of the property
at the time it was acquired, which is just over 1.4 million.
So during our conversations with the rvation Collier team,
we developed a methodology knowing ould be evaluating
pond sites within the area. We talk d we asked them,
what are your priorities as far as oking at as far
as impacts. And their first prio · r and scrub
habitat and then finally wetlands. ook
consideration when we w~~ooking naw could bly shape
ponds and things of that na -help to _ omply with that.
An important thing to n ~"""" • sued our state and
federal permitti s the last key to
that, so we wo ~Ul11ffe nd so there may be
additional requi -ose permits as we move
forward
81',i._,,.. ions 't..,..llh Conservation Collier team,
we t they wa t parking locations for the
public, room facL • es, a-add itional access other than the
sidewalk, ,' the con n theme with --from the staff perspective
was those am • ies er ed a larger impact to the site, and so they
would prefer no that. And, in fact, the team worked with
Aubrey Rogers Hi · chool and has at least a small number of
parking places that are available at that location for folks. Once we
build our roadway project, they'll be able to walk over to the railhead
preserve.
Another key item, when we were talking at a staff level, was
continued coordination throughout key milestones throughout the
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project. And one of those things that came up in those discussions
was a desire to utilize the sand that's within the right-of-way to be
able to restore some of the areas that had been degraded, if you will,
based on some ATV use out in the area. And we said, absolutely, if
you want to take the sand out of the right-of-way before we start the
project, we're fine with that. So those were •1 t some of those
conversations of us, you know, trying to w through those things.
So the exceptional benefits peti tio Wl-.e is an exemption in the
guidelines that conveyance in the int ic lands where
affected program lands will bene
there was previously no reasona _
no reasonable public access other , the t,19.'P•~
sidewalk that goes to all t • of the p .
Wewenttothe CCL _-_ -in Ap _ In our initial
conversations with t
recommend ap p
a few conditio
than the fair n1a
ided 7-0 to endorse,
petition. They had
,.....'l!lrar ~lnpe'!~~ion should be greater
ds, and at that time the appraisal
had not -omp ~~ ~~~~
co
they _
permittl
of kind o •
. minimum 18-inch diameter
the nor and south program lands, and
• ue to work with them through our
t ki n • of materialized, and I'll show a picture
nvisi oned to maybe look like.
~u...,ed $35,000 of additional compensation that
could be based --c a be used for program --anything that they
wanted to do on the preserve area.
So there was some additional feedback that we got regarding a
maintenance access area, and then --which resulted in our acreage
changing a little bit after they had initially taken their action. And
we also received the appraisal.
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So we went back to the CCLAC once again. In September, it
was a unanimous approval of the exceptional benefits petition with
the following recommendations: Once again, that they would be
compensated at the current value of $2.9 million, not the original
purchase price as proposed. They wanted additional wildlife
crossing. They felt like what we had propos was insufficient.
And they wanted the $35,000 that we had · o ed to be based on
hard estimates.
And the discussion with the $3 ·t was based about
perhaps they wanted to maybe fe1 -ir property.
I went backwards, sorry. I ven 't been up he II day.
So I'll break down a little bit a for our
property. In our curren
these as they're coming
in a potential are her
future, and so
property fro
acquisition ·
$10 . .._._,. ... ,~l~~;h
wha.
We t
and the .
tl on , you see
t we are noting this is
• n .. a roadway in the
1 purchase the
rr original
o t was a little over
ates r~,.4!~);0· -$192,000 an acre. That's
• g. Th t comes out to $1.445 million.
1 ent rai ·aJs as required by the program,
of two appraisals for the property in today's
'Jlion. Currently, the property has no
conservation ea e on it, so it is developable property. That's
how we had to app . _ e it, so ...
And some of the other feedback that we received was to
purchase additional program lands as an exceptional benefit from
CEMEX. Currently, it's my understanding that these properties are
in the Target Protection Area list. I don't believe that they're a
willing seller at this point. And we would be very difficult to utilize
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eminent domain from a roadway perspective to purchase additional
program lands, and it's my understanding that Conservation Collier
doesn't use eminent domain for purchase. So is that a great idea?
Perhaps it is, but not on the table today.
In addition, there's been some discussions with regard to,
perhaps, utilizing the FPL site as either a po • nor for the pond site
in lieu of utilizing program lands. There· existing drainage
ditch on the FPL property that would h emain separate from
our storm water features, as well as F eeds lear area for their
trucks to be able to operate.
And the Water Managemen istrict requires ·mum of
allow us 100 feet in width for our pond sites.
to be able to utilize the F ite either.~..,.
th pond site that I
mentioned at the be in t of the pond site
program lands.
o with the
that we're pro
But I go bac
Conservatio
tortoi
bet
No.
wed
that, a o
And I'
we really di
really we tried t
could do.
we
inning where they said gopher
And really the big difference
t of wetlands. Parcel --Pond
e, has about four acres of
we are proposing, which is half of
to b abor this, but I really want you to know that
nsideration the comments that we got, and
another alternative or anything else that we
One of the discussions that we've had at the CCLAC
meeting --and unfortunately, we didn't have a visual. But one of the
things that we have offered to the program is to build a crossing for
the gopher tortoises to go across the street. And it's not just as easy
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as throwing a pipe down. It has to be vented. There has to be a
grate, if you will, to allow for airflow and light; otherwise, they don't
want to utilize it, I guess.
So on the bottom we have two pictures of what it could look
like, and we'll refine that as we go through our permitting process
with our permitting agencies. But we have c 1mi tted to being able
to do some sort of gopher tortoise cro sin llow those tortoises to
cross from the north to the south.
What's shown on the left is ac 1
Wisconsin, and it has a little fenc e..--:BIA
• ng that was used in
,..,
1.,_~.,.,ts them in that
area.
COMMISSIONER LoCAS
I --Mr. Chairman, I just -~lo!,_.ll
CHAIRMAN HALL:~~~ ...
COMMISSIONER Lo
tortoises, was 1·
more animal
MS.S
ossing for the
sing larger so that
• Okay. I haven't seen these
know,
turtle.
~Pr"'f"'----~-~~~ ... ;1.-.ll-L"~llt-; out
o t would e for the small tortoises --or, you
--t _ • 're not super small. They're not a box
. discussion about a large wildlife crossing.
ms about that. And these are some of the
examples that w ]Ulft.:f-.lWli.,,'LJl
In Ocala, ther _ a land bridge that is utilized. It is a pathway,
if you will, during the day, and a --and a --
CHAIRMAN HALL: A pathway at night.
MS. SCOTT: A wildlife crossing at night.
The cost of that in 2000 was over $3 million, and that
included --it had --as you can see on the right, it has a lot of
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vegetation that's associated with it and all of that.
The other concern that we have with an overpass is, obviously,
that has to taper down into program lands, so now we're impacting
more program lands and gopher tortoises than what we had originally
anticipated as well.
Our conceptual plans, just looking at a ,ctional overpass not
including landscaping, acreage impacts, a 1 • onal right-of-way, is
over $4 million additional if we were --.ta' ~~were going to move
forward with that.
COMMISSIONER LoCAS T
gopher tortoise tunnel and jus
MS. SCOTT: Next s •
COMMISSIONE
really. I've never seen the
that --
COMMIS S
MS. SC"--'-... ---
so --
not just take that
~~ geez. I was I cheating,
~-~-d let her talk? Is
y that, but okay.
nB~ay how I laid it out,
Just go to that --go to that
U:l!llllll~e ff that's undoable. I don't
' ion • dlife er ssing that we'll never approve.
this ·n option of an underpass. Once
again, I Cornell credit, because these came --these
slides cam r presentation.
So when _ o . underpas , now I have to raise the road up,
and now that is ve oncenung from an elevation standpoint of the
roadway and is going to require additional right-of-way acquisition,
not only from the program lands, but also from private entities as
well as it may not be doable based on the railroad property.
So --and we'll talk about BERT at the end, so --which is the rail
property. But right now that property has not been acquired, and
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we'll talk about why it hasn't.
But --so with the underpass, the roadway would have to be
elevated to be able to accommodate that, which would mean we
would need additional right-of-way along the program lands as well
as this private property owner right here. So this would entail,
perhaps, relocating additional gopher tortoise that are within that
area.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO:
MS. SCOTT: And that overpa
COMMISSIONER McDA
questions now, so ...
COMMISSIONER LoCAS
CHAIRMAN HAL
MS. SCOTT: The c
And this just sho w
some concerns
This is the pro
some concerns .
require~•-' ~~1
own
ximately $2 million.
would perhaps have
~~ to ·, private property.
·er. We would have
having --be
rty from a private property
railroa as well. And when you look at
lope to be able to come back down
within t y here . We would really have to work
with the ra1 that's something that would be allowable by
them. And I "',.,,.~~ .. u know that they don't operate. I know they
haven't operated in . _ ever, but as long as they own that property,
they're going to tell us what we're going to do and what we're not
going to do on that property, and even a crossing --we would be
required to build a full-on railroad crossing even though we know
that rail doesn't run there today.
So this slope could pose some issues with them. We would
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really have to work with them, and this is moving that crossing as far
east as we can, so --to try to minimize the impacts that we would
have to the railroad.
So some of the things that we heard from the CCLAC through
the public comment and even meeting afterwards with Mr. Cornell
were there was some concerns about, you kn , bear sightings, and
that's one of the reasons that they were --ed to have this wildlife . crossing.
So over the last five years, th·
sightings that have been within •
The reason I chose five years i
have to look at from our ermi
for. So it wasn't just s ...... _,...,,...
And certainly bac
And last year, in 2 23
it's 14 indi i 1
I don't know
ln.
s Memorial.
're going to
hat they oing to ask
~•roer that we p ed up.
a lot more sightings.
1 can't tell you is that
was seen 14 times.
WIIIBe· 14 that were called
jiffi,11M ..... • ough our required permitting
proo . what the state and federal
agen r the road. If Conservation
Collier • .ter,ested L . • n en . ced --perhaps they're interested in
building tli . verpas . t mi g ·t be a good thing that they want to do.
I mean, we're · ainl y ill ing to work with them if they'd like to do
that with their p • -..,,_ •nds .
And finally, le __ e hit on the Bonita Estero Rail Trail, because
we heard several times in public meetings that we weren't
coordinating with this. What I can tell you is I'm the lead person
from the county coordinating this, so, yes, indeed, it's been
coordinated.
Where we are at with the acquisition of the rail, the Trust for
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Public Lands entered into their agreement February/March of this
year. They have two years to come together to come up with
$82 million to acquire this property. It's not an easy lift.
We don't have all of the agencies on board with this. I know
Lee County's been a little hesitant on it. I think that they're softening
up a little bit to it, but we have been working ge ther to try to apply
for grants. We have been working to getha.-..m-..r legislative
appropriations to be able to try to es en · 11-"""'uy down this number.
But really, the rubber's going to mee.,. ..... L-ou will, in --about
a year now, a little over a year, of =:::::~ with
$82 million, and if that doesn't c
the railroad.
What I will tell you, ~1Mr\ closely wi t I e Trust
for Public Lands. I tal.ke r1~_ ~..-"111,g.·.,., ay home last night. If
t for Public Lands is this property is acquired, ho
proposing to ac
you must keep
rail. So if you µ, __ .!::-~
somethi
run nm~
a pe
if the .
requirements.
So perhaps
want any type of er
out in the future.
ink i ng means that
.er11HUi e to be able to run
ething in there, you can't put
-Iude them from being able to
~~-a' tell you is, I don't want to put
ithin that rail corridor, because
o come in in the future, they can
m not complying with permit
ri k averse. That's one reason why I don't
ing within the rail corridor that couldn't come
There are ways that we would get paid back for that in the
future, of course, but I've gone one step further with the Trust for
Public Lands and asked them if they would be willing to negotiate
with the railroad corridor to allow us, if all of this can come together,
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if we can get our section as fee simple.
The railroad's really probably never going to intend to run down
this far south. So if we can get our section fee simple, then that
opens up some opportunities to be able to perhaps have parking and
restrooms and things like that that could provide those facilities to the
Conservation Collier area in areas that have ·eady been disturbed.
That is yet to be determined, but it is sotn . g that I asked about
very early on in this process, because r~~ .. C'uper -duper jazzed
about rail banking. I'll do it if we h , o, bu 1 really like to own
that in fee simple.
And lastly, let's talk about
$35,000 number was based on the
which is the one shown i en, and
across it. That's $35,000 • .... fD,Q
over to the right show the re .
Collier as part o
fencing would
ting
a en at was put
ates . The numbers
d by Conservation
stimated cost for
I don't hav • remi anyon n this dais, particularly
Commi • Hal ,~!l!l,fii y is obably the one roadway that I
get • is r o i to be built" more than any
othe W.JI..Ul.U."'tf:~o • ioner all probably gets hit with it just
k he . me probably every two or three
months, d going to be built, Trinity?"
It is a r , not only time, but also vehicle miles on
the road. T 1 uick --it's 7.7 miles to get around. And if I
would go back to t ear sighting map, there's been bears that have
been sited in all of those areas. So this really is an important
connection to our roadway network. It's going to provide public
access to the preserve lands that haven't had public access in over 20
years, since we acquired it.
So that's where we're at today. What our recommendation is is
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for the Board to approve the petition; that we would --with the
following commitments: That we're going to provide a public
roadway to be used for public access to the program lands both east
and west of the railroad; compensation for the 7 .51 acres at the
original acquisition cost of $1.445 million; that we will commit to a
minimum connection --minimum 18-inch in ·amete r set-at-grade
connection between the north and south p . . lands to be further
refined through our permitting process ;
$35,000 to be used at the preserve; a ·
our Conservation Collier partners
coordination with
o be included in
key milestones throughout the p ct;. find the peti
criteria set forth in the ordinance; a ove ,
Chairman to execute the . tory dee~g thorize
the compensation, the asso-· l,':l'Sllll
compensation.
With that, i
CHAI rs .
COMMIS a you, Mr. Chairman.
I wanted to give some of the
env 'A"flH1U.... . .. _L._,, • e their pitch as to why
ther , but I think you've been so
very . I want to thank you for that. I'm
not sure be able to say, but I'm looking
forward to C11l'llllii~
1 ther side of this.
CHAI · . ~l!lu~iilllll!i-,..,.,..1 -: Commissioner McDaniel.
COMMISS _ McDANIEL: Yes. A couple of things.
Number one, we're excavating --will put the picture up where you're
showing the pond site.
MS. SCOTT: I'm going to get carpal tunnel.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Next slide.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yeah, next slide. Does
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Conservation Collier --is the dotted yellow line the railroad track?
MS. SCOTT: Yes, sir, it is.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. Does Conservation
Collier own land on both sides of that railroad track?
MS. SCOTT: On the south side, yes, and on the north side,
only on the east side.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: O·· .... -.. ·---1">.. n the east side. Now,
my question is --and I'm just talking --1 e we looking at this
location as the pond site and not ove east side of the
railroad track?
MS. SCOTT: So it's in a " a
roadway, as well as the wetla
COMMISSIONE
two, why did we do this i
wetlands that are in the no ...... i_l!' ...
mber
~a,ond? Is that to avoid
can
MS. SCOT
COMMI
MS. SCO· gopher tortoise dots, if you will,
e 're kind of narrow, and then
t we 'r • of our minimum of what we
for the • • r agemen District.
• I SSIO~ _ ~ _ Mc . TEL : Well --and my question
at $6,0 a t ortoi e in relationship to mitigation
expenses for wetla · that are included in this pond site, I mean,
did anybody lo o.n ... ~ ... ""1 tually --did Tim go --did you go count the
turtles? Oh, she di okay.
So did we do an analysis to determine the --the cost associated
with the --because there are wetlands that are included in this pond
site --
MS. SCOTT: Yes.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: --that are going to have to be
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mitigated.
MS. SCOTT: I am --I'm going to defer. I'm going to phone a
friend on what analysis they did on how much they think we may
need for gopher tortoise relocation and such, and with the two acres
of mitigation.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: .one our friend.
How's Mr. Hall?
MR. HALL: Well, thank you.
record, Tim Hall with Turrell, Hall
We did look at that. As Tri ..... • ... ---
conversations with Con ervat i .
priority levels. So while mov •
option from a financia
Conservation Collier
reason why those r
gopher tortois
impact mor
and the go t were
ly
eaper
rity • ·
hat that --a big
for the protection of
d to actually
igh-quality scrub
--=·•·"'. es . ieve the number that we're
gom •-~---....... if we • t day would be six tortoises,
and . b out 6 ,0 00 [sic].
e po . He to avoid all of the wetlands, you'd
proba y • the neighborhood of 20 tortoises. So the
tradeoff be r-quality wetlands and the tortoises was
really similar fin for doing that, and by avoiding the tortoises,
we tried to abide b . e Conservation Collier's desires to really
protect that tortoise habitat.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. Very good. Thank . you, sir.
In the actual --in the actual excavation itself, there's different
qualities of sands. What's going to happen to the dirt that comes out
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of the pond?
MS. SCOTT: We'll --if it's suitable material, we will reuse it
for the roadway.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay.
MS. SCOTT: That's what we do with all of our projects. We'll
do soil borings and such ahead of time. An • it's suitable material,
we will reuse it.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: --wante d to hear that. I
hope that it is --
MS. SCOTT: You trained f>"; ~
COMMISSIONER McD A
are on top are a white sand th
for habitat, and if we're
something that we can ,
Let's talk t t
MS.SC .'
COM
wanted to a
woul
with
e sands that
es, it ,
oises and
t be
you say that you
railroad right-of-way. Why
u ge e simple on it, you'll mess
o he railroad itself.
es ari ly . It's just something that we
have th • _ on the _ _ e as opt ion with the Trust for Public Lands.
And I go 15 to what ou ld we perhaps maybe want to utilize this
for? And Wi. .. .._1'31, ,e is, maybe we're rail banking down to the
roadway, and do _,-:-,_!.~...: .. -.. ,imp le south of Veterans Memorial could be
some sort of com b1 ___ 1 100. What I was actually trying to do is
connect the program lands on the south side and not have that
railroad corridor within the middle of it and allow them to have an
opportunity to maybe perhaps, if they wanted to do restrooms, if they
wanted to do a parking area, that was in at least the disturbed area
without having to disturb more program lands in the future.
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So it's something that we have thrown out there for the Trust for
Public Lands. Nothing is definitive at this point. And it --at least
in my conversations with Mr. Hattaway, is it really wouldn't change
the value of what we would be paying.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. Are we going to be
able to acquire their segment of the railroad · • • ht -of-way to complete
the road? Because you can do all you wa--·-1th the acquisition of
pond sites and negotiating with Conser ~!!~~Collier and all, but if
you can't get that swath of --
MS. SCOTT: We will not b simple
if --unless the whole rail corrido banks;
however, there is a process to g ed it a
leasing agreement with t ':i.~~lr.!I~ er 1n
agreement with the rail r ~._.-rs., at we have to pay
them X number of doll 1 us that they want a
crossing built, a cJat~ y, okay, and we'll
move fo rward.
And we' rs ons with them, and
they . ·~-~ ....... ....,Ill'...._,..-,....-to see what's going on with
the """"'"''-s1t1 0 , ..,..___ ·e1•w permits and are ready to go,
then re going t r agreement with them with
the stip 1 ~ on --th i ve disclosed to the Trust for Public
Lands as • nve r at ions with the railroad --anything
that we pay t ~•h I today I expect to get a credit for if we
wind up acquiri ... "'"~~r!?."!' x months after we're --after we've gotten
that licensing agree _ nt; that I'd like a credit for that. I don't want
them to take money from us today, and then Trust for Public Lands
gets all the $82 million and can buy the whole corridor.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So you get a credit from the
Trust.
MS. SCOTT: Correct.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Not from the railroad.
MS. SCOTT: Right. So they would get their $82 million, and
we would get our --we would get our credit. And those are
conversations that Mr. Hattaway and I have had very openly through
this acquisition process.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So it -uld go conversely as
well. I mean, if we get ours first and the¾ come through, then we
could have a cooperative agreement witwftl!BJ.just to make sure that
the bike path/railroad banking was, i ............ _. ice,. because nobody
really knows what's going to hap banking I like
because at some stage someone' ing to figure ou w to build an
aboveground light rail that could b et • : the bu
for --especially for re gio ansport~a, .
So having that right -o g
perspective --building a set m that isn't going
to ever be --nee ct.-lRI~ d rail is
counterintui
assistance
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CHAI
we got?
MR. MILLER.
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portant for
• er we own it fee simple or
• in control of that corridor.
a rail the future overhead, we could
t w still be county-owned properties.
cD NIEL : Right.
: Troy, how many public speakers have
e have 11, nine here in the room and two on
CHAIRMAN HALL: Okay. Then let's go ahead and take a
court reporter break, and we'll come back at, what, 4 o'clock?
MR. MILLER: Three o'clock.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: I was going to say, 4 o'clock is
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longer than our lunch hour.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Three o'clock.
(A brief recess was had from 2:44 p.m. to 3:00 p.m.)
MS. PATTERSON: Chair, you have a live mic.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Thank you. We're on to public
comment.
MR. MILLER: All right. Mr. Chai ..... _ .. ,~ur first speaker is Brad
Cornell, followed by Andy Wells-Bean , has been ceded time
from six additional speakers.
Juliette Gross, please raise y
(Raises hand.)
MR. MILLER: Thank you.
N ecia Siegert. I ho 1m sayin
(Raises hand.)
MR. MILLER:
Tessa Tilde
(Raises h
MR. MILL .
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And Lori ?
(Raises hand. J
MR. MILLER: That is a total of 21 minutes, and I need to get
his slides up real quick. Forgive me. That's the right one, isn't it,
Brad?
MR. CORNELL: Yes. So I am trying to negotiate here.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: We're all here. Go ahead.
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MR. CORNELL: Okay. Good afternoon. I'm Brad Cornell
here on behalf of Audubon W estem Everglades. And I appreciate
the opportunity to address you on this. And I also appreciate your
pulling this onto the discussion agenda. This has already been a
really helpful discussion. I appreciated hearing staffs presentation,
and I look forward to more discussions with • ff and with you-all.
And first I want to clarify that as we at this --let
me --there --we are not here to oppose ' ,_.__._...,~" Veterans Memorial
Boulevard extension. That's not w i'ah,n, here. That's not
the purpose of this discussion. It' oad.
The issue is that there are -.. its petition
before you today, there are three olve~-......, issues.
First, there's a lack of exc ·;ona l ben -storm r pond
proposal as required by th • tional 15 fits ordinance; second,
there's destruction of 7.51 ac hab1 ·n the Railhead Scrub
Preserve for a •• '..l'n'lllillll
adequate la rg
motorists, hi
fede
and it's 1
been waiti
ere's a lack of
e c · • • ngs to protect
ng before dawn, and state and
1'1(~1Mr·, ed exceptional benefits.
this pro lem. Access is needed for sure,
~cau e've been waiting --the program has
, . So while that could have been addressed
previously, w , been aiting for this moment in time.
But the Ve , __..,._, e111orial extension plan does not provide any
but roadside idew .·• _ , there is no parking lot, there's no vehicle tum
lane. There's no trailhead, no restrooms.
Second, we're going to require --this project is going to require
a significant Conservation Collier expense to install and maintain
fenced roadway frontage. And remember that the fencing is going to
have to make sure that gopher tortoises cannot burrow underneath the
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fence. It's not just a regular chain-link fence. If you look at the
Naples Preserve next --just south of the mall, that kind of fence is the
kind offence that we're going to need to keep gopher tortoises off the
road.
Third, gopher tortoise relocation permits and monitoring
expenses, which are very expensive, are a pa of this.
And fourth, this petition is noncompl • with the exceptional
benefits ordinance on providing compe funds, land, or public
access. And the last thing is that it 7 .51 acres of rare
high-quality upland pine, rare oa
cypress habitats.
This is a picture of the trailhea
Greenway. And it's not --~==dish, o e's restrooms, here's
some signage, handicappe __ ,~-arking, not a whole lot,
but enough to get you going , the p • e's needs.
Here are se her re • eff e • :ve measures to
provide true e.-u........... enefit~.-...~ ........ 1 co .... iw-.1--'uy the parcel that's
adjacent on the et protection mailing area list.
By the "' ... ~ o Hi . n that target protection mailing
area
talke
a ery purpose that Trinity had
· d, you ow, unite the two sides of the
erv · nd that parcel that we're talking
about is w wed t • at 1s on Wiggins Pass Road. I'll show
you a map O' ext slide.
You could 1 • .ess facilities on Veterans Memorial
Boulevard itself fro he sidewalk with the parking and trailhead.
You could fund road fence installation and maintenance, which is
going to be a couple of hundred thousand dollars, much more than
the 35,000. We could collaborate on the rails-to-trails project, and it
sounds like Transportation and Trinity have made some really
important progress in the discussion about strategies to make this
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happen.
You could use excavated scrub sand for restoration of A TV
eroded areas. That's the value of that unique white scrub sand is that
A TVs for decades have been trespassing on this land and have eroded
huge, many-feet-deep areas that need to be restored. And finally, a
provision of a wildlife underpass for large m mals and another one
for small mammals that would be in the w
The parcel currently owned by CE this is the access parcel
that's on the Target Protection Area • • gins Pass Road,
has that red arrow pointing to it, -. , _ is could s -for habitat
protection and host public acce -cilitie. like you for Gordon
River Greenway, and it also could ble a point o • ess for the
rails-to-trails project.
Regarding the propo s -l , which is the proposed
seven-and-a-half-acre pond ~~re erve which
destroys scrub a · and ha: ~-~ stem Everglades
has identified pa .· pond sites, including
the area on t :rwa.a.Tt, '--.TJ.._._ .. g e outlines which was not
eval uat e • ·v.~;Mill'j!I -g report, the pond siting study.
This ·--..... , ~~s~ d as was mentioned, it does
hav -1
....... v.rever, he e wetlands are the same kind
of w e _ h e p site immediately to the east of that
that are .. a an • • across the street from Aubrey Rogers
High Scho il t the pond for Phase 1 there and will use a
portion oftha ~"a' bat site for Phase 2.
So they're the __ e kind of relatively low-quality wetlands.
That's the kind of --those four acres and that six and a half acres are
within that orange triangle. Those are much less valuable than the
area in Pond Site 1 which has scrub, cypress, and pine flatwoods.
The other advantage to this site is that it consolidates Phase 1
and Phase 2 stormwater ponds in one location. And when you read
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the RW A report, that is listed as a really important management and
cost-saving efficiency criterion, to consolidate the stormwater ponds
in one place rather than spread them all over the map.
It also provides a vital buff er to possible wildfire threats to
Mediterra, which is immediately to the east. Additionally, Brent
Setchell with FDOT, District 1, he's an ,engin r, we talked to him
about this issue, and he said regarding the • _ ba in stormwater
issues --you know, there's a Basin 1 an,..u, ... _ ·, , 2 on either side east
and west of the railroad, and the W a , ent District
normally wants you to have a po .,...., .. __ ut Brent Setchell
said there's flexibility in the way
construction and the way they're si on ""'W4~ .. Sowe
would suggest that that fl ~ ili ty --t i p ac se it in
order to avoid impacting a _ ·-gualit area.
Brent Setchell also ·ug _ te __ FPL em;~ement as an
alternative, and 1!::WI.Ju That was
dismissed by capa -'P.IIUI~ -~.!hat A WE, Audubon
Wes tern Evergl _ C • -, beh ,_ es sho -; still be investigated, and that
could at -"de n _ ed elsewhere.
I'm
you
Sanctua
Those lines
COMM
MR. CO _
into that.
t FP nt is about 100 feet wide, if
• e it doe have an existing ditch on it, if
·n.g going out to Corkscrew Swamp
1 V tran mi sion line that goes along there.
the ditch.
McDANIEL: That's a canal, not a ditch.
Yes, you don't want to drive
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Nope.
MR. CORNELL: And then often, especially where the cypress
is, has a lot of water in it right where those poles are. So FPL does
have some flexibility in terms of the configuration. Another place
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you could see that kind of flexibility is along Livingston Road and
FPL's easement there.
So Setchell and we are suggesting that there could be flexibility
in using some of that. It would be about three, three and a half acres
of that FPL easement.
So this is a picture of a black bear tak summer in June
right at sunset. You can see the really • ing, and that bear's
walking right where the road is goin t' s right in the
middle of the right-of-way, and it e right where
we're recommending a crossing
The third issue, of course,
crossing in the project des ite t
bears, and bobcats and
threatened Eastern Indi
This is the habitat that
motorists' safe
This do
is --this is
r, black
s an rally
med to e there.
are needed also for
e of this, this
Trinity had shown.
Thes
the •
WC within two miles of
1s 1n 1 ~!".L 1 map.
n't ____ '""""w if the e --this is one bear that's gone
to, yo or t i 20 bears, we don't know. And if
you don ag them, if you don't have GPS tags or radio
telemetry c , it's hard to know that. But, clearly, bears
are in the area. ~•~ using this --and this is a key part of that
wildlife corridor.
And this map shows that there --the two wildlife crossing sites
that Audubon W estem Everglades recommends, one in the west in
the part west of Old 41, and then the purple --that one's in blue. The
purple one is what Trinity had zeroed in on that we had discussed
with Dr. Dan Smith from the University of Florida, who is a
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well-renowned biologist who specializes in wildlife transportation
conflicts and how to mitigate those.
And so this is --he supports a crossing at this location. We had
toyed with the idea of an overpass, but that's too expensive. It works
in certain settings, but you need high ground on both sides, and we do
have high ground, but I think the expense wo d be prohibitive, so an
underpass is what we're looking at here, a -10 box culvert with
ledges for animals to cross during stOllllAlltnll ds when there's
inundation in the bottom of the culv . An this is something
that has worked elsewhere in the ty.
Here's an aerial of that sit
location, and on the ri ide
LiDAR image showin
And this is just a
study that engin r i
area is up to 2
would have b
shown, WKi~
prop
erod •
wasn
prom1ne
a recent elevation
owing that this
ile of sand. This
e one that Trinity had
of the county preserve
u can see the descent into the
at all those yellow dots, if it
ortoises burrows, so it's a
CO cD ANIEL: Can I ask a quick question?
Those are identi ~~ ows, but are they --
MR. CO RNE, __ .. Yeah.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: --one burrow per tortoise
or --
MR. CORNELL: No. Unless you dig them out, which is kind
of counter to protecting tortoises.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Right.
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MR. CORNELL: You could scope them with an endoscope,
kind of like is used in medicine --
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Right.
MR. CORNELL: --to find out, but that's invasive too. So
they --FWC's formula is to estimate 50 percent are occupied. So
you divide by two and get your number of ,es • .·_ at ed tortoises.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: G~i.-a, okay.
MR. CORNELL: And here's an eJdlHY~e of a very functional
large-animal underpass. This is 84~~.LLJLIIU. .. nk Road, at Camp
Keais Strand. Camp Keais Stran -. the Big C s slough that is
just east of Corkscrew Swamp S t uary . Not too • from where
Commissioner McDaniel lives. A 't's --u can e bear just
about to go under that. I want to"'IIWNJ'l· out also you n see
fencing on top of that. ·•-·--~·--art of making these
things work.
Here are tw
Well Road at
8-by-24 box cu]
culvert
Imm
ne on the left is Oil
e. But it's an
ng 1s a two-lane 846 arch
s is 846, but east of
ounty.
. e about crossings is you can
put 1 ~ gate the problem that water would
pose .•. u • when it would be inundated.
Large an i the water anyway, but gopher tortoises
would need o --•---~.,---e this to make it useful.
And this is ·. _ . erpass, the Florida land bridge that Trinity
showed. I'm not putting it here because I think this is what we need
to do, because it will be too expensive. I'm just saying that
everybody across the country is looking for ways to mitigate the
conflict between our ever-increasing roadway and transportation
networks and wildlife corridors. If we want to have grizzly bears,
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black bears, cougars, you name it, wolves, we've got to figure
out --deer, elk, we've got to figure out a way to get them across these
roads and not get killed and not hurt ourselves as well.
I want to make a note about state and federal permitting.
Gopher tortoises are state listed as threatened, Eastern Indigo snakes
are federally listed as threatened, and there ar ossible other species
on the pond site. Wetland impacts must b 1nimized. Alternative
pond sites and wildlife crossings are ob ns to address these
impediments to permitting Veterans ......... .., ... _...... levard. And also
stormwater management systems atives and can
be flexibly accomplished, and S nagement and
FDOT both confirm that, you kno ~~~rtant
strategy for getting these
Transportation Mana.__._ ...... _ ivision, in conclusion,
meet the ordinance has submitted a petition that rre ... ~--
requirements for ·onal 13 cie 02 and 4.03, either
in land or fun,_r•rrt
must be current "-
benefits
and/ n s .
at.
th· -tr · _ e _ ansp
exemption, licy 5. 0
as proposed. d wh
talking about.
oh 02 specifies values
·cy 4.03 says the exceptional
e current value in either land
quired from CEMEX could be
tio -ti tion does not meet the ordinance
s the project does not provide public access
ou see, again, is the kind of access we're
Finally, the tra ortation petition does not meet all the approval
criteria of the ordinance, Policy 3.06. On Policy B, there is a viable
and reasonable alternative site for this pond, and on C, there is lesser
quality land that meets the project needs. Also, habitat is being
fragmented by the project, by the road, and the pond and the road are
the same project, which wildlife crossings could mitigate.
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So Policy D, there are no exceptional benefits from access funds
and/ or land, but that could be remedied. And the last one, E, the
project will adversely affect state and federal listed species, gopher
tortoises and Eastern Indigo snakes, at least.
Audubon Western Everglades recommendations are to deny this
current petition because it does not meet the ·teria and direct that it
be revised in order to meet those criteria. ect staff to develop
pond site alternatives with less impacts • RIIIR-P and vital listed-species
habitats, a primary option that we relo!I;'" ... ~._-........ • ~,.LL was not evaluated
by the 2020 RW A study.
Second, incorporate two wi ' fe crossings un ·
Memorial Boulevard in strategic w
locations, and you saw th -on the maatv
And finally, consider • onal be -1t additions, including
vacant --the vacant CEME f of in Pass Road that
offers parking, t •
saving the sc
it, it's got 30-foo
ti ons, and also
y , when you look at
e m1 le of the railroad on
both sid hat WIAMIJ~ crossing for a train to come
thro g to I s a railroad anymore and has
................... ows t at. But nevertheless, we have
to do 0 .
T ery much. Appreciate you attending to our
recommend.a
MR. MILL ~ .... ~.-1'7 ur next speaker is Andy Wells-Bean, and he
will be followed b ichele Lenhard.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Andy left.
MR. MILLER: Then Michele Lenhard will be next, and she'll
be followed on Zoom by Amber Crooks.
MS. LENHARD: Good afternoon, Commissioners. Michele
Lenhard from Conservation Collier. Thank you for the opportunity
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to address you today. I thank you also for moving this to a
discussion portion of the agenda, and I also thank Audubon of the
Wes tern Everglades for the very detailed presentation. So my
comments are more broad.
One of our early acquisitions, Railhead Scrub Preserve, protects
some of the last remaining scrub habitat in th · county. The unique
features include, as we've discussed, den e ulation of gopher
tortoises, large mammals, and rare plantdllltMJLes not found anywhere
else in the county. The preserve pr_,.__ ---~e in a rapidly
changing urban environment.
The preserve management •,·-"' _,L
Veterans Memorial Boulevard be"-~--
and has provided guidanc
li~~'""-"F encing in conjunction w
mammals with a raised shel
recommended
Veterans M
wildlife be .
publ'
..,""(l!ilti'L-"-parcels
year d I quote,
suitable for large
• inundation is
ns for the
e connectivity for
1 e ision risks, and the
'ces Department has been
awa ~=~ addres this connectivity issue during the
desig ses • this road. There would be a wildlife
crossing 1n . ss o thi added requirement of the
exceptional b ance, and I think that's an important point
here, that this is • ~~ anyway regardless of the Conservation
Collier land being Transportation is responsible for planning
transportation facilities and roadways, pathways, and bike facilities,
as you all know.
CCLAC carefully reviewed the position --petition during its
September 11th meeting and at that point didn't feel it met the
threshold any longer, as I sent in an e-mail to you in more detail.
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Public access to the property can be achieved once the roadway
is complete; however, the petition failed to meet any other criteria as
outlined in the e-mail and, therefore, did not provide an expectational
benefit to the program.
Compensation for the pond site at that point was reduced from
market value to original purchase price, and t • s was to follow
changes in deeds which were made since ~~ rchase d the HHH
property in November of '22 and incl u e to exempt
transportation from the exceptional ~:t!!,_r+ ce,. which I think
is a concern. Railhead was pure,, .. cen_ Ml!J~.r-1 7.
The 18-inch pipe set at gra eve l is insuffici o meet
wildlife crossing and pedestrian ne .:Jl'.w,...., ed the
$35,000 does not address ital imprl'flh~ rre r s.
So in closing, I woul l\a,;Kit\jU, iscussion is all
about balance, balancing tw•:::.=::: ,..,..,.""iu., a roadway that is
much needed, as • ~~~ h is highly
valued. And a.nk y
MR. MILL . : Y
--• fol lltWJdl ... ~o
er re on Zoom. First,
• ·well.
u have three minutes. Please
-nd you can hear me all right?
M
MS. . erful.
.
oks . I'm with the Conservancy of
Southwest Florida, _ _ , we want to first acknowledge and appreciate
the commissioners for adding this item to their regular agenda.
I have visited the railhead scrub on one of your Conservation
Collier special events that was hosted and viewed the sunrise over the
preserve. It's absolutely breathtaking. And this land, now part of
Collier County's public trust, is special because of its overall purpose
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to conserve the increasingly rare scrub habitats and their imperiled
plant and animal habitants.
Scrub habitats themselves are rare and endangered with over
90 percent of these type of ecosystems lost across the state of Florida
largely due to development. Gopher tortoises and their commensal
species, which can be up to about 350 differe species, from snakes
to bugs, that also use the burrows, are ple • there are rail head,
and we understand that larger species li cat, deer, Florida black
bear are also present.
Given this, we would recom.·~ ~,,,, ...... 1
additional speakers as well, an ~·-~
·ng from
r size than
e species is proposed. An 18-inch pipe is n
present on site and to trea
consideration it deserves. ,,.. ... .....:_
pe o and
Bear crossings in other .
around State RoQII· 1:1ra1
. County, thinking
t feet tall and
24 feet wide, g r deer, for example, a
height of about •~· be more appropriate for that
spec
unde
( -.LJL --M •
MR
he best that can be done here?
t 'n, I believe in some of the
ow, an -by-24 dimension for the wildlife
e gold standard --
ill see her there. Oh. You cut out for a
second, Amber.
MS. CROO K . Oh, I'm so sorry. Can you hear me now?
MR. MILLER: Yes, ma'am.
MS. CROOKS: Of course. Right when I'm giving my
presentation, I'm getting an "Internet unstable" notification.
So let me just back up here for a quick moment.
We were talking about bear crossings being up to 8-by-24 feet
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wide. For deer, perhaps seven feet tall. We're not looking at
18 inches.
And so my point here was just perhaps to look at a smaller
underpass that is 6 or 7 feet tall and 10 feet wide and see if that
resolves some of the issues that we heard in the staffs presentation.
Additionally, in scrub habitats, in areas ere there are gopher
tortoises as the primary focal species, elev roadways and span
bridge crossings with that gopher tortoi~lftiil~ing have been
employed to help ensure that the tort • s do enter the dangerous
roadway.
We understand that the CC
proposed smaller crossing is insuf I-... ~
1vised that the
at the
financial compensation d ot meet -llllnii!filJfi t e er County
program language.
We'll be looking to see
with the underp 1
any feedback
As we have
C
eral agencies deal
u haven't received
roposa s to intensify uses --
er --Amber, that's your three
n Brum ell is your final speaker.
-_ to unmute yourself, if you'll do that
at this t i ee you're --
MR. Can you hear me now?
MR. MI s, sir. You have three minutes.
MR. BRl JM ~ L : Hi. Gordon Brumwell, biology Ph.D.
lnbreeders, marrying your sister, none of this stuff works out
well. Same for tortoises. Some consider a minimum viable gopher
tortoise population as about 250 on 250 acres of high-quality habitat.
Railhead and the population west of Old 41 has maybe 224
tortoises divided into two separate populations on less acreage. So
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this is probably iffy relative to inbreeding, and that's without a
highway dividing them into four separate populations.
Roads are for commerce. Animals need commerce, too.
Genetic commerce.
So please install multiple wildlife crossings including for the
bear. Fourteen called in means there's more
The pond. Gopher tortoise habitat u·J ~,,..~~ be prioritized over
wetlands, so please consider the potent ,· site kitty comer to the
school or ask FPL to work with you· -of-way. It doesn't
hurt to ask.
You've asked us to not sim . • de possible
solutions. Here's one. Wher
smaller. The petition s ::~:~~:~'l,,,T ~ ... ,}-v.1
1i1i'0...,.111i n ot e d sites to
decrease the pond size r burrows versus a
few square feet of sw
Ponds to
footprint. Pr
bike lane width ,
as m
slow the
~~-w..:ow, • 's use the project's
e·et of sidewalk and
y a ermeable surface.
ge, that is at least 1.6 acres
footprint.
permeable paving won't hold
1 old a lot and I believe will also
_ rest goes to the pond. Both of these allow
for a smaller wale with aggregate water storage beneath
barreling the roa~~';IM,...,~,_'bh less-rare habitats would store even more.
Maybe Conservatio ollier would give you a discount on that
less-rare habitat.
I'm literally asking one of you to approach the idea of asking
modem engineers if this 1.6-plus acres would significantly reduce the
pond's size. We are the stewards of the imperiled tortoise. This is
an appropriate project to go the extra mile with. One point six acres
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is just sitting there waiting to be used. Maybe more.
Please discuss. Thank you, and I'll take questions.
MR. MILLER: That was your final public speaker of the day,
Slf.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Any discussion?
Commissioner Locastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO:
come back to the podium and tell us wr,J ~J!!,Sa.rt:
just --I say that tongue in cheek. B
slide that I thought Mr. Cornell p
through E. I mean, that was the -.-.. .. ~
say.
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there an equal medium s
know --what h i
MS.SC ,
o why don't you
rong. No. I
ost important
was A
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ctfully, do you want
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up something d .LL.' ~2!13'
~ ... ~ybe this needs a little bit
not proposing that, but these
you.
o ask Troy to bring up A through E on
MS. SCOTT: -•~ gotcha.
MR. MILLER: Give me just a second.
MS. SCOTT: I don't recall off the top ofmy head the A
through E.
Okay. So the first one is with regard to the pond site being
within a different drainage basin.
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COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yeah.
MS. SCOTT: So from an engineering standpoint, I can
engineer anything. You know that. You worked on an Air Force
base. You know that. It's just how much you want to put into
things. But on the other side of the railroad, one of the challenges
we have is the outfall. So it's not just about ere the pond site is,
because as we talked in your office about ething different, my
water just doesn't stop there and evapor t has to go through a
treen (phonetic) to be able to ultimat et o
And that area outfalls down gh Impen
see the former stormwater direct now our Count anager,
shaking her head, is a challenged o 11 ar So we e to look at
those areas as well.
Purchasing addi tio
eminent domain a non-
Furthermore,
connect there
be a gap in e
the
that'
.... .....,.1* .... ave a mechanism to go
--u~~at w he CEMEX property.
• s P doesn't even
-4f,Ol\ .L ...... J!_..lant. So there would
We would have to come all
e able to get to this parcel
t r issue with it.
~~-ASTR : This is the slide, and you're
starting e h So when he says B, "There is a
viable and -.;ao...,.,.. • ernat ive site for this pond," you disagree?
MS. SC ct.
COMMIS -__ LoCAS TRO: There's another option, which
is not untrue, but it ot --like you said, we can do anything for
money. It presents things that --where the juice might not be worth
the squeeze, like I always say.
MS. SCOTT: And I go back to when we originally started this
process, and we were looking all the way throughout the corridor, we
sat down, we talked with the Conservation Collier team members and
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said, "What are your priorities?" Because if we can, you know,
move away from some of your priorities, you know, wetland was one
of their priorities. So the section --and I get it. Whether it's not
good-quality wetlands or not, it's still two acres versus four acres of
wetland that we would be impacting. And that's one of the main
reasons, between that and the basin going, yo know --and being in
the correct basin.
Let's talk the wildlife crossing. Tbal~.:as a statement made
that it's a requirement. It's not a re : ·, -ment. 1 o one knows what
our permitting agencies are go ino--_ ? Because I
haven't applied for a permit yet.
So their crystal ball is as goo our c regard to
that. We have commi tte what we rossing
knowing that the gopher t o ~---,---and he way, that's not
anything we've ever done on -befor
something --real:N-·_.
and the turtle •
the box and rent.
e north and south
ed to think outside
t they want something more
I -hat on all of our road projects.
t an un erpass, Mr. Cornell talked about
fenci _nt. on 't own all of that property along
that co • i vate property owner that's in a PUD
immediately • cent t e between the Conservation Collier
properties and tH choo l.
Now I have to -a] with I'm going to fence off their property?
How do they gain access? Those are things that we would then
consider and have to work through.
What I'm telling you is is that I still have a long permitting
process to go through. This project is not permitted by Conservation
Collier. It's not permitted by Collier County. It's permitted by the
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state and federal agencies, and that's who we'll go through. We will
work with them. We will provide all the data that they want
to --that they want us to analyze. We will look at everything, and
we will work with our permitting agencies and do what we need to do
to get our permits.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: On h' map where he
showed --and I forget what slide it was. there was a slide where
he was showing other proposed areas. you know,
summarize again why those aren't ac atives?
Maybe --is it that one? There w range --yeah, I
think it's this one.
MS. SCOTT: So from a torto
habitat --so remember I t • d about
down and talked with Con •1
-n Colh ersonnel before we
started, what are our
Their top prio
and the thir
abo
beca
with
So it r
That w~---·-· ___
It's two acres
less wetlands.
is your top priority.
d was scrub habitat,
1 to t _ third criteria. Pond Site 1 is
ond Site --what we call 6
dded 6 after the team talked
at down with Brad as well.
ou he feedback. We talked with
_. e difference is the wetland impacts.
cres of wetland impact. So Pond Site 1 is
I'm going to g ack, if I can, to find his --I think that was at the
beginning.
MR. MILLER: Is that what we were just looking at?
MS. SCOTT: No, the one that had the A through E on it.
MR. MILLER: Oh, that's near the end.
MS. SCOTT: Okay. There.
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So no exceptional benefit from access funds and/or lands. Once
again, we sat down with the staff ahead of time and said, "Do you
want a parking area? Do you want a restroom facility? Let's see if
we can work that in." And the feedback that we got was no, that
they didn't want to have additional impacts to the program lands and
that they felt that sufficient public access wa'. e sidewalk.
We sat down --I mean, it's not that w 't try. We sat down
with them. But if they tell me it's not ~Nw.ng that they want, then
it's, you know, not something that w -' goin o out and go do.
That would impact additional go ,ort oi se • ddi tional species.
And I don't disagree that th _ adway project 1 ing to have to
contend with state and federal li te ~ . ., ... ,d we o through
the appropriate permitt i
permits to be able to bu
virtually --virtuall im
wouldn't buy t
value, and y ·~~IIHU"i<"ll,L
know, not t
tour ssary
, it's --that criteria is
ecause, one, they
of environmental
: ch any --you
We know that there
are l -U:£_ ~JL~'Pi,. ii·-ough our permitting
:was some discussion about the FPL.
So let's ·. erence between FPL when they're in their
own corridor property versus FPL in my right-of-way.
And I say "my n 1...-. .. IV\l ay." It's collectively our right-of-way.
So when FPL n our right-of-way, we are the king and queen.
And when I want to go deal with FPL in their right-of-way, they are
the king and queen. And they're not always the easiest to deal with
with regard to that. We're dealing with that now on Pine Ridge Road
with the jug handle and trying to work with them about having to
move --move poles and things like that. They may have additional
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things that they want to do within this corridor that's not going
to --where they're not going to want a pond site in there.
So it's not just a, yeah, it's done. Not necessarily. And like I
said, they're king and queen when it's their road --when it's their
property.
I was looking to see if I had anything el in my notes.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Let's see wha ,,.,,mmissioner McDaniel
wants. Were you finished?
COMMISSIONER LoCASTR •
COMMISSIONER McD A
CHAIRMANHALL: (N o
COMMISSIONER McDAN.L--LJ---
pond site combination wi ~~ ........ .:....
idea other than being in a s SIS~
MS. SCOTT: W etlan ........ ,.._
to look at the
the outfall for
criteria.
about fo
Why a: ·n is the
ere on the --t a good
So not only do I have
I will have with
so looking at the
se our analysis, it's
u , two acres of wetland
And--
MS.
: Right. But no tortoises?
other one had minimal tortoises as well.
we received fro .o
COMMISSIO
t, it was --from the first two criterion that
vati on Collier .
. McDANIEL: I said "no." You know, the
triangle had three dots on it --
MS. SCOTT: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: --which means a tortoise and
a half, per Brad's population estimator.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Six.
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MS. SCOTT: And I think was --ours were just a few, so it was
maybe, you know, three or four.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And in our pond site, I think
there was --Tim said there were six relocations.
MS. SCOTT: So nominal.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Wha What
are you --
MR. MILLER: I'm trying to find
me to put up there.
COMMISSIONER McD AN
while we're talking, and we'll h -
MR. MILLER: That's
COMMISSIONE
back up there for me, pl
in my peripheral while
I'm ru · •
I didn't have
talking to i
perce1 v
bene •
prop
will be
public ace _ ~ "
""'u;n ld you put d 's things
• u -t was flipping around
some kind of focus.
esses here, Trinity.
n Collier are you
a offering up what I
_ nt ? As an exceptional
ervation Collier piece of
1 lie access. The sidewalk
, want the additional impacts of the
MS. Sc~:,.::-ot that they don't want additional impacts.
They want the p e able to go there, but when you start
putting a restroom 1lity and you start putting a parking lot, now
those --the measles map I like to call it, the dots, there's more of
them that are impacted. And so this was staff under Jaime and I.
We actually started when the program was over in Parks and Rec
having these conversations. So that should tell you how long ago
these conversations started and we started this process.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And that brings me to my
next point, or my next thought. You haven't even applied with the
agencies yet. Why would we be negotiating with staff from 10 years
ago on their wants and needs for the program --let me finish --when
you haven't even applied to the agencies yet to find out if a --because
this whole discussion about a wildlife cros it • or 10 might be moot if
you get dictated, "You want your road, . . t in a crossing," period,
the end. So why wouldn't we go to Alll~ie , get the requisites
from the agencies from the state _.. ...... ~ral l , then come back?
And it may placate --Jaime's , .
MS. SCOTT: It starts w And so I
need to kind of know where m ............ ,.... because
that's the permit I'm goin .• • VtUucr ee t w what
my wetland impacts are, a ...... _.aJlon 't just look at one part
of it. I'm goin in £ r t
COMMI
MS.S
have to go --
s pr y , then I have to go
• ing back to you and saying, "I'm
is road."
. Let me give you a different
OA->ldave th1 pond site. Go get your permit
.. put the pond site here, and then we'll
cro sings are going to be and what size they
are and whe • to fence or not.
MS. SCO·. ~lltf:;:a,· : ave committed to that all along, that
we --we have to go -t permits. These conversations are going to
be had but the --what I have is, I have an advisory committee that is
attempting to put permit-level requirements on roadway without
having had those conversations with the permitting agencies. We're
saying if the permitting agencies say "do the wildlife crossing," we're
going to have to figure it out.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That's correct. But --and
again, the County Attorney was sharing with me probably a better
way of saying what it is that I'm talking about. But it feels like I'm
negotiating against myself. I don't want to negotiate against myself.
At the end of the day, it is this Board of County Commissioners that
makes this decision. The CCLAC is an advi -ry board. Your staff
are advisors to this Board of County Co.l.,L. LI)--...,,_.,.._oners.
So why argue about a wildlife cro not? Why argue
about the size, shape, and color of a ing or not? You
can have this piece as your pond -• ennit for the
road, and then we'll worry about shape, and
color.
MS. SCOTT: Co
from a staff perspecti :~~-~
COMMISSIONE ___ ... __
about?
CHAI
motion a
env
That's,
t are we arguing
trying to make a
r, this was on --this was on
e regular agenda to give the
voice their continuing
conce
this pon
permits.
-.,,,.y -are and where we need to be with
oice but to site the pond and get the
CHAI , -: Here's the deal: I've got taxpayers
screaming at me f o road , and I want to make a motion to approve
this as it is. You go get your permits. Whatever they say, whatever
the requirements are, we'll do those, and we'll --hopefully by 2028
we have a road connected to Highway 41.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I got a dollar that says you
don't do it by then.
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CHAIRMAN HALL: I'm not going to take the bet.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay.
CHAIRMAN HALL: I've been here two years. So I made the
motion to approve.
Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS:
confused when we started, and now I'm a
But I just want to ask you a question ab
MS. SCOTT: Uh-huh.
COMMISSIONER SAUND
up here, obviously. But you ha
selected because it has less impacts
impact to wetlands. Th ..... """-..
impact four acres of wet
COMMIS I E
I thought I was
e lot more confused.
pond sites.
ve the diagram
sort of
s ofan
nt p . te that will
ew more tortoise.
. 1ses.
~~, rtoise .
COMMI
COM
CHAI oi e , twice the wetlands.
basin an
co
MS.PA
• Okay. So this is my --and
the wrong basin.
_ ERS: Okay. I understand wrong
OW AL: The outfalls --
. There's a huge --that is a huge issue for
"11!1'·~ Imperial. We face . with the school when we were trying to deal
with the stormwater.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Right. So that location is
not really a viable location?
MS. PATTERSON: No.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: All right. I'm going to ask
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the question anyway in terms of --because now I'm curious about
why would we really care whether it's two acres or four acres of
impacts to wetlands?
MS. SCOTT: It just goes back to --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: If everything else was equal,
would it make any difference?
MS. SCOTT: I have to be able to pe •• it, obviously, but it
goes back to what we --when we were • down with
Conservation Collier in the be ginnin • cl we ing to minimize
impacts. They don't --you know y would h ,_ e to have no
impacts. Figure out how to bu.ii --how to have ond site that
has --doesn't impact the tortoise, ·-·•..-. ,u,...., at. So that
was the difference betwe~lil}.' "W!KII~ into ideration
the fact that I know that th~~~an~e.d: he other side.
COMMISSIONER SA ~-tasking a question
now because l'iJLI ~
MS. SC"-'-"' .,,u_
COMMIS
. was cunou.
S : --as to if we weren't
w that we are. But if we
....-,c,,·r-...ce if it was two acres or four
re money for mitigation.
DERS: All right. That's all. I just
CH 1,•
COMMISS
: Commissioner McDaniel.
~~:McDANIEL: We have an--do we know
what the mitigation costs are on the proposed pond site?
MS. SCOTT: Jay was just whispering, it's about $250,000 per
unit for wetlands, and then, as Tim had talked about earlier, ifwe
have to relocate tortoises, it's about $6,000.
Now, what I will tell you is Conservation Collier also asked if
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we would work with them about possibly being able to keep them on
site, if possible, because you don't want to break up a tortoise family,
and if they can do that based on their population, we'll do that. I
mean, certainly I don't want to have to put them in a tote and haul
them to Hendry County. I don't do that, by the way.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Did u ask FPL if you could
encroach on the right-of-way? Yes or no ?
MS. SCOTT: No.
COMMISSIONER McDANIE •
CHAIRMAN HALL: Finit
COMMISSIONER McDA
mean it's --' CHAIRMAN HAL __ ....,
extensive --extensive
Memorial thing. I've
I have yet to
COM
CHAI ··
(No response. ,
e .
DERS: Aye.
OWAL: Aye.
Opposed?
CHAIRMAN HALL: Moved.
MS. SCOTT: Thank you.
I'm --I
gone t • h
he Veterans
e it as it's written, and
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Boy, that was stressful.
Item #1 lE
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A REQUEST FOR A TOURISM IMPACT STUDY FOR THE SUN-
N-FUN LAGOON IN THE AMOUNT OF $38,000 AND MAKE A
FINDING THAT THIS EXPENDITURE PROMOTES TOURISM -
MOTION TO APPROVE STUDY FOR MAINTAINING COUNTY
AQUATIC PARKS BY COMMISSIONER DANIEL;
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LOC RO -APPROVED
MS. PATTERSON: Commiss _· L ... ..., • gs us to
Item 1 lE. This is formerly 16F6
a request for a tourism impact st
amount of $38,000 and make a fin
tion to approve
agoon in the
promotes
tourism. This item is b r 1 ,t to the a: omm1 er --off
of the consent agenda at C
Commissioners.
COMMIS S
MS.PAT
COMMIS
discus i
here
And I'm not arguing with this
., ion with my colleagues up
engage wi th Hunden to do a greater
study . on e water park that we're having issues
with, on hat we're having issues with?
I have ces in my brain that has --we are more or
less orienting a ~•L..-c!! operations that we're not good at. We have
a 90-, 80,000-, 90, ~square foot private indoor aquatics center now
that was not in our world 20 years ago when Sun-N-Fun was built.
Is there --is there a dire need to repair Sun-N-Fun and bring it back
up to what it was, or can we do something different with it, not have
the lazy lagoon, not have the slides that are in disrepair? Just have a
swimming pool and not have an aquatics center like we have been
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moving to be --to be building?
And my thought was, rather --when this --when this came up,
this is a good idea to do, but my thought was, I think we have six or
seven aquatic centers throughout the community.
MS. PATTERSON: Five.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Five ? We know we're going
to keep three of them. We're going to kee e one in Immokalee,
because of its remote location. We kn \1MJ'111lA.1 e going to keep the
Donna Fiala's Eagle Lake facility be , e it's -second newest, and
we know we're going to keep Bi
After that, why don't --wh
Sun-N-Fun and the one in Golden
then as to --as to what w •
on this board, stomping th _
CHAIRMAN HALL:
wanting to fix
"Co ·, ,
Well ._·-
he --on
some on here,
-N-Fun.
e stomping their feet
No, you didn't.
deal.
because of the --just a bad
and we ve got to step in.
the thought process, but here's the
way that I • If I ave apartments and I'm at 50 percent
occupancy, ................... ose apartments are not very much. There's
only 50 perce -1~-~·-~"' ving in them. If I fix it and I get it to full
occupancy, now m alue is a lot higher.
Right now we've put out a feeler to the private --to private
business. It would be in our best interest to private partner --to
private-public partnership this water park because we're not good at
it. So my thoughts are, let's get it operational. It's --geez, it's
80 percent there. All the infrastructure, all the pumps are rebuilt.
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We just need a --we need a drain in the lazy --in the lazy river. The
lazy river is a fun function. It's cooling in the summertime to jump
in there. We need some stairs welded and some paint done and a
few other things done, and we're operational, back to, like,
100 percent.
Now, when we get that done, that may b , appealing to
somebody that would like to come in and , 'Hey , we'll operate this
for you and --as a private-public relati ie~-~="il"•" But they don't want
to have to come in and put the capit • .o fi ecause of --it's not
their asset. It's ours.
So, yes, I would like to see
deck, all resources available. We ' ·
~ieh. all hands on
to get it fixed? Eight-or ' ', ,000 buc~;;pa.1 nd 1
, John,
with the
study, we can use tax do Ua
COMMISSIONER Mc..._~ ~ ...
on your estim
MR.M
CHAI
stair
ou're off a little bit
wa , ut there was
8-or 900,000 to get the
or the record, John McCormick,
Ye 00,000 cost to prepare [sic] the
stairs, get t
CH ' ' • ~-~,_,L..t : Right. That's what I was thinking of.
MR. MILLE : . .1 s this the right one?
MR. McCORMICK: Yes, it is.
CHAIRMAN HALL: So we're not talking about --and that's
what the study's for. We've got to get the study out of the way so we
can use tourism tax dollars to get it fixed.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: What's the cost to replace the
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slide? The slide's dilapidated.
MR. McCORMICK: There are some engineering estimates
right there.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Is this not an $800,000 fix?
CHAIRMAN HALL: No, the stairs. It was $2 million total,
2-or $3 million total. We talked about it las 1 anuary when this
came up.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL:
CHAIRMAN HALL: Anywa
use --
COMMISSIONER McD st·
CHAIRMAN HALL:
COMMISSIONER J..~
$5 million to fix it.
CHAIRMAN HA
That's fine. Th
COMMI
button pushed.
C
e about the money.
aim1an, I've got my
blrl;l6.\.~. I wanted to mention a couple
..... i-~ propn te money in 201 7 for this very
purpo ,ank.
C cD L : Say that again.
CO AUNDERS: In 2017, we appropriated
money for this v _DJ:,...•MJose, and that money's still in the bank.
MS. PATTER : That's part of the bond issue.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So funding is not an issue.
We have two parks that you mentioned, Golden Gate and Sun-N-Fun.
It's one thing to build a park. It's another to tell a community you
might be closing it down. And so I would object to any
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recommendation that we do a study to determine whether or not we
should keep these parks open.
So I'm just --I want to make it clear that you even put that out
there, you even have that study conducted, you're going to have the
whole community wondering why their park --why their facility's
going to be closed. So I'd rather not us --no ave us go down that
path.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL:
misspoke. I wasn't talking about sh _ .... ,L.a
talking about reducing the facili ti.:--•••ri
mean, the --that --this facility c _
the first place.
So --and I was J. ust
.,.T!!~~ilit£g slide, eliminating the lazy 1•
for the community --for the ,_-.. -~~
other aquatics c~■ 1 ough
was my t.houg . roces
Well --and maybe I
own. I was just
maint enance . I
._J_JLJr,._,_1.nt of money in
g about e lim ting the
,~-... ~aving a swimming pool
• ·ze . We still have
and that was --that
CHAIRM _AL Yeah. And we're not very far from
-ere , we've learned from the past
~-· 's eing built and rebuilt, it's
be maint -d u top st <lards .
........ , .. ,.JSSIO _ ~_Mc ~. IEL : All right. Well, I --staffs
•O up · -ere 's thinking like this, and so all I
co ll gues had an issue --a hammer down
wanting to fix t.li L~we;, , and I wanted to have this discussion to
make --for us to be -~a king a decision long term as to what we're
going to be doing with regard to our aquatics centers throughout the
community.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Long term, I'd like to see us enter into an
operational partnership with somebody.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So your rationale is fix this,
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get it gone, and then do an ITN --
(Simultaneous crosstalk.)
October 22, 2024
CHAIRMAN HALL: To make it appealing for somebody to
operate it, yes.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: To bring somebody in to
operate it. All right.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissione
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO:
had the five million on --this. I me
one of the reasons why we neede-· :c_., • ..,.
TDC dollars, we have to do a
forced into a study.
stro.
o to the slide that
and this correctly,
er to use the
So if that --you kno.;i,Jii.~ ~~~· --it
seems like we don't have a , inc lined to --I'm leaning
towards what Commissi one ------•;a.: o me, this is the
money slide rig . And li de, but the slide.
You kno and g av people up here that
I look _ his, and I --you know, I always
use the I the ueeze ?" I don't know why we
have uwt~ xact specifications on the day
the n lready roven that there's a couple of
thing "-N-1
•• that are difficult to maintain, they
break e So why would we --and it doesn't --you
know, if you of the super expensive things here, it
doesn't mean sor ... ~"'_~_....... else --then that money could make
something else mo __ abulous or even build something else, you
know, that's easier to maintain.
Like Commissioner McDaniel was saying, a whole bunch of
pools and the lazy river and all that, but you can already see there's
two or three things on here that are super expensive.
MR. McCORMICK: Absolutely.
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COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: And I just sit here and think,
is it the best use of the dollars? Now, I don't know ifwe have the
latitude to do that. Maybe we've got to do a big study and all that.
But in the end, I think this is the slide that really shows where our
priorities should be, and I definitely agree we should get it back open
because there's going to be very few contract s that are going to
want to come in. It's going to cost us a fo e. We're going to say,
nothing works here. Would you like t to it? And they're
going to go, oh, great, you know, aw
But restoring it back to wher
isn't 90 percent but that maybe 7
hat everything
110 percent fixed and, you know, 1gur
n the list is
ically
remove a couple of the th · • that jus
rebuilding. Because don't -
know, it's already proven tha ·1 tm~'f&~
going to have to ·, up. 1, the
are several th · ist tha.._. _
the money.
Bu
the o
that roa
worth, you w,
rebuild, it's still --you
aintenance. We're
me it's just --there
e worth the effort or
ion. I mean, do we have
ns among the five of us, or
ave to, you know, go down
MR.
permission fo
can have a full ...... ,._ .. 11!1'..,.
The -executive summary is simply seeking
This will come back to the Board, and you
as to what you want done or what you don't
want done.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: But the study is --
MR. KLATZKOW: The study's just going to simply say that it
supports tourism.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yeah? What does that cost
us, that study?
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Thirty-eight thousand.
MR. McCORMICK: Thirty-eight thousand.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I'll do it for 28,000.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: And if I'm not mistaken,
looking at this money --are you done?
CHAIRMAN HALL: Go ahead.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: . Well, I mean, so my
closing comment is, you do a $38,000 st11t1~1nd then it allows us to
have the real discussion. It's not --• ' , ou
CHAIRMAN HALL: Spen •
MR. KLATZKOW: You _
can't use tourism dollars.
COMMISSIONER
COMMISSIONER
of doing the st
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gotcha. so --
e a motion for approval
• I second it.
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r , say aye.
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AUNDERS: Aye.
KOWAL: Aye.
CHAIRMA ~-LL: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HALL: Mr. French, do you want to give us just a
quick summary of what you found? Because I know you've been out
there.
MR. FRENCH: Yes, sir. Thank you. For the record, my
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name's Jamie French.
So, Commissioners, I was --so Parks and Recreation has
recently been reassigned to our group. So one of the --one of the
challenges that we have found is going out there to assess all of your
parks facilities to determine why certain things have not been
completed and what has been completed and w our maintenance
schedules are going.
So with Sun-N-Fun, I would only
this from a critical path position. A
everything --and I know Terri's ~-""'-..,.
to avoid permits, right? So mai
So we believe we can get this park
a construction perspectiv though
Facilities, we often find --
probably more often or as o
a permit and wh • ==~'t.
And wor·1--• Y ih.1.._~l~
to consider looking at
:o do
• n, but I want
_·_ ire permits.
that from
ect our partn at
111.'lni:lr.,n, side, we train them
ector on what requires
building di . • h Long
thank
park
-who you recognized today,
believe that we can get this
renov
held tot
' get this open by spring break.
ove to o a $450,000 bathroom
-o c • requirement for that. You're only
-e of con truc t ion. And although it would
gs, that would be a policy decision or a
Board decisio ,:-~ther or not you expended those dollars.
Mr. --and I _ --not Mr. Finn, but Mr. Johnson, he and I met
on this yesterday to go over exactly that, Commissioner Saunders,
what is the remaining amount on the bond? Because at one time I
was your Public Services Department head, and I --and I looked at
this very thing, and although I recognize that a previous
administration may have had big, grandiose ideas on what amenities
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that they'd like to add to this, that permitting phase through the State
of Florida is a real deal, and it does take a very long time that we
can't influence.
So we'd like to avoid that. We'd like to stay within the confines
of the permits that have already been issued, do as much maintenance
on this facility as we can to get it open. The ' e there right now
pulling weeds and making sure the water's rkling. Although you
may not be able to enter, it doesn't nee like it was
abandoned. It needs to --it needs t ell taken care of.
So we've got staff there ri his facility
much --no different than we a So appreciate
your support with that. But you so ing back.
I'm not certain that we C .-rn. __ ,. ____ open becaus here may
be some structural-inte g ay have to go through
some permittin B t ~~ ieve that we can get
most, if not al • ng break, maybe a
little after, b ·"-'\lZl;l';;;~rr..is • r Hall might say,
we've got th 're running with this thing, and
we're
: How long does the study
take?
MR. ·, an .· by the way, this is considered by
zoning in yo · DD , t: is a regional attractor. You've got an
advertisement o 7 ht on Exit 111.
So I am certai ~ not trying to interfere with your decision or
your guidance, but I think it's well qualified even from the
point --from the point of us entitling this 20 years ago or beyond
that, that this was always considered to be a regional attractor that
would pull people in from neighboring hotels as well as other
communities.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: So the advent of the study's
pretty easy to come to what the ultimate results of the study are.
MR. FRENCH: We'd be happy --maybe we could save you
money. We'll just provide them the planning documentation that
was heard by the Board.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Whe we come back for the
actual review of that, and then that slide w • · e money shot with the
estimations of expenses to bring this an ;,Jt!;t ~ ....... d this can be updated
for us as well.
MR. FRENCH: Absolutely:--~----"
our own evaluation if it's the pie • e of the Board.
COMMISSIONER McD ANI
COMMISSIONER . AS TRO :~lffi study
take?
MS. PATTER
underwent a p r o
months. The
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tomorro
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billboard and se t
COMMISSIO
question?
Naples recently
roje It took a couple
·1ntend to try to get this
And I think Commissioner
-~--e us 10-, maybe in two weeks.
Yeah. I'll have it done
I' __ . do it for 25-.
OW AL: Just take a picture of the
SAUNDERS: Could I ask a quick
MR. FRENCH: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Because obviously we're
doing the study, and the purpose of the study is to determine if this
is --we can use tourist tax dollars for this, that it promotes tourism.
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But you already just said that this facility is considered a regional
attraction. And so why do we even have to do a study? Hasn't that
already been done?
MR. KLATZKOW: Because the --Commissioner, the statute
requires it.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: St a .• --but I mean we ' already know that it's a regional attractor, ~ ........ 111lf'V'e have to do a new
study?
CHAIRMAN HALL: You've rr_,,.... ,_ 3 8,000 to prove it.
COMMISSIONER SAUND
COMMISSIONER KOW A
time?
COMMISSIONER ....,,-«5..'
CHAIRMAN HALL:
MR. FRENCH: Than
Thank you so m:.i:l:ii:::1 'iiP""
COMMI
COMMIS
.r continuous support.
cracy .
No doubt. Thank you.
AUT _TIVE OF THE COUNTY
ATTO TO B ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY
AT A COD ENT LIEN FORECLOSURE SALE
SCHEDULE ~~ CLERK IN COLLIER COUNTY,
FLORIDA V. LEE _ LAMBERT, ET AL., CIRCUIT CASE NO.
23-CA-3392, IN AN AMOUNT TO BE DETERMINED BY THE
BOARD -MOTION TO ALLOW STAFF TO BID UP TO
APPRAISED VALUE ($470,000) BY COMMISSIONER
AUNDERS; SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LOCASTRO,
(COMMISSIONER LOCASTRO RECANTED HIS SECOND)
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MOTION FAILS DUE TO LACK OF A SECOND; MOTION FOR
STAFF TO BID ENOUGH TO RECOUP THE MONEY SPENT ON
THIS PROPERTY ($229,161) BY COMMISSIONER LOCASTRO;
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HALL -APPROVED
(COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS OPPOSED)
MS. PATTERSON: Commi ioner
Item 12A. This item was continued fr
t brings us to
October 8th, 2024,
BCC meeting. This is a r ecommen t n to orize a
representative of the County Atto.,.._~.,,s Office t o • -on behalf of the
county at a code enforcement lie duled by the
Clerk in Collier County, Florida, V c::--....u ~<""'-"'l et al,
Circuit Case No. 23-CA---.)IL....___ e -_ e ............ -..;n-ed by the
Board.
And, Coun A
MR. KL -
foreclosure a
a final ·ud ;
chan
we filed a
rty. We received
o of 229,000 and
was a . • on at a prior board meeting
that ---....""· w • o go hig er than this.
app _ • l. And the in-house appraisal was
$470,00 -1ted o acquire the property. If you just
want your , .JI. ... _ you wouldn't go that other route.
CHAI 1 • ~~,:: Commissioner Locastro.
COMMISS LoCASTRO: So this is a property on
Goodland. So I had a discussion with Growth Management
leadership, Jamie French and Trinity and the group yesterday.
This property has value for us that if we did acquire it, you
know, we're short --we're short of parking in the --at the Goodland
marina, and this butts up against --right next to it. So, you know,
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the initial thought was just get back our lien money, and if somebody
else buys the property for more, great, wonderful. We at least, you
know, recoup our lien dollars.
But this does have value to possibly stay in the bidding a little
deeper because it's a valuable piece of property. It could be a
valuable piece of property to us to expand pa ing for our Goodland
park. So I mean, that's basically what yo ' sking. Do we drop
out of the bidding after we --it gets to where it recoups our
money, or do we keep going up unti _.___ .. _ appr d value, right?
MR. KLATZKOW: That's urpose of
summary. If you just want you n money back, e's --that's
one thing. If you want to actually propert e appraised
amount is 470-. That's aximum
to bid.
COMMISSIONER Lo
recommendat io
MR.KL
COMMIS
here? l ,
tog _e money back.
Yeah. Where's --is Jamie
--you know, I just wanted the
t there's several citizens that
operty . They'll tear down the house
imm om -_ •1
__ ,.g fabulous. It's on a very visible
comer, bu lso is on -e comer of the entrance to our marina.
And our -k on odland which has --you know, you can't
make that park b • r . So before we let this property --before
we lose this prope _ o someone who's definitely going to bid on it
for close to the appraisal value, I believe --why don't you share the
thoughts with the --all the commissioners here on what you think the
value is and what your recommendation is.
MR. FRENCH: Commissioners, thank you. Again, Jamie
French, for the record. I put a coat on this time.
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The park is --this is a very uniquely situated parcel that it does
abut next to one of our prime --primary used boating facilities. We
have a very limited footprint on this site. If you know anything
about this site, on the park site, on the eastern boundary, there's a
preserve and wetland for drainage, and although we've not given a
great deal of consideration here, that area co • I be well utilized for
parking, for internal capture, and then we . a relocate, perhaps tear
that --tear that place down and use it fo~ .. !M"~"-muni ty drainage as well
as, perhaps, kayak access, because t , -1s wa access there.
It's really the determination e Board w • -you would want
to go with this. We have not p l ed this. • • ._. is just a
unique opportunity. We were inv ~~~: with the
foreclosure, as the Code ~Ml!(Cil~... ~MR fa ! • my . purview.
Jeff is absolut 1 •
money. We t
value, I wo
do think th
• ly want to recover our
go above appraised
•~h,.-n,-i nendation, sir, but I
o the community to give it some
ter access plus perhaps
rev1s~r-,; ...,JI....,~ that we could pick up some
addi .. .oc-.......... ,,,,_.,....nl y ta from my experience from the
form ",....."' had brought us plans to add
addition priva e road that we couldn't get there.
CO oCAS TRO: Yeah.
MR. F "'-'9-"li"" ecause the road wasn't wide enough. It was
a private road. _. n 't county road. And we just couldn't get them
through either the local or state permitting process on that ask.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner McDaniel.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Are you done, Rick?
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: You go. I'm just --I'm
mulling over a couple of closing comments.
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COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: We're in a precarious --we're
in a precarious position here because we're bidding against somebody
that we don't know who's out there and what they're going to be
paying for. And if we set a limit --and that's that.
I'm not opposed to allowing our staff to make an executive
decision at the --at the auction to acquire the ·"ece of property, and
not set a limit. I mean, you're not going t --you're not going to
do something stupid.
So my next question is, can we
us to utilize as a public facility?
shoulders.
MR. FRENCH: Through a r ..... ~ ......
the environmental side. that's w ul'fl~JC:::
that we could relocate the wetlan
grounds. That' re u • fo :
• t permittable for
ing her
rm1ng on
d about is
at's currently on the
e could relocate
into the county
be a decision of
that. We cou
property. I
this board. e nning Commission,
of cours~-IQ~-we would demonstrate how
there n~IDIJ ,"R!Nllo,a -well as how we could make
that ocur ... TT U"I-.LJ.ore co duci ve or more customer
friendl y . ~~s a1 1 e locals that are there.
CO oCA'.S TRO: Yeah. I think you'll get
some pushba~~!:'· e citizens there who they realize the park is
sort of bulging a . tn s, but they're now looking for us to make it
bigger. Some --s e citizens.
MR. FRENCH: I think what we'd be asking for is no more
impervious surface other than perhaps some parking. We're not
looking at putting in --we wouldn't recommend --and I can say that
with some confidence. We're not looking at putting more buildings
in there. It's simply for pedestrian parking for that non-trailered
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vehicle is what they're short of at that location.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yeah. I agree with
Commissioner McDaniel. I think that, you know, we don't have a
crystal ball here, and if we set a --you know, it's --like, that would
be really stupid.
I think that we shouldn't pay above appr -• al value, obviously,
so that's the ceiling. But I think, you kno hoever from the
County Attorney's Office is at this --at t.lftllni
1 e has the latitude to
say, "Hey, listen, I think we're in an -whe e 're beyond where
we really should be as a county. • ney back and
then some." Is that some --
(Simultaneous crosstalk.)
MR. KLATZKOW: .I.~~ legal
authority to --
COMMIS I E
MR. KL •
above whatev·.aillr'l5'1,,
check either.
CO!J.}1Al,~
point in ,
co
MR.KL
COMMIS -
MR. KLAT Z
be the case, no.
-?
authority to bid
1 give me a blank
Four something.
-·---e • ing . Now, if we can come
else offered $600,000, at that
RO: It's a no-brainer.
--you could --
McDANIEL: That won't be the case.
: --look at it. That's probably not going to
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, the other alternative is,
just get our money back, go do what we always do, and not get into
the business of buying property at auctions. Just limit it to our --bid
up to the amount of our money and be done.
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COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I can tell you, whatever we
decide, it's a positive from what this thing has been.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Amen.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: So this is like --we're trying
to decide frosting here, and --you know, I'm more inclined to get our
money back. I like the idea what we were b ·nstorming, you know,
in my office about what, like, could be do this property. But I
think that that's, like, 49 percent great, ercent is just getting
our money back. I'm sorry?
CHAIRMAN HALL: Com
COMMISSIONER McD A ss Saunders has
a thought. He's down ther
COMMISSIONE ~k t a thou Here we
go.
ing to get somebody's
attention. That'
NO, I thin ,a+,M the appraised value.
If it's a valuable d we acquire it and we decide we
If somebody outbids us, they
So I don't want to tie our
-g our money back. So I'll make that
motion. But hink going above the appraised value, I
think, would be -
COMMISSIO _ LoCASTRO: Yeah. That's a nonstarter.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: --good direction.
So I'll make the motion to permit staff to bid up to the appraised
value on that property.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yeah, I'll second it.
CHAIRMAN HALL: All right. I just want to make one
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comment before we vote.
Appraised value is top value. So ifwe want to buy it for top
value, it's hard to sell it for topper than topper value.
So, you know, what --I guess what I'm saying is the way that I
would approach this is what is our exit strategy? What do we want
in the end? Do we want a parking lot, or do e want just to get our
money back? And if we --if we want --i . property is valuable to
us and we want a parking lot, then we c • to 400,000 or
300---you know, whatever, just le nap • ed full top value.
Or if you want to go top value, w • . But it j • epends on what
our exit strategy is. What do w . ant to do? If w ant to take the
property and utilize it for the pub li d pa • g then -the
property has more value t than if W1i!i!MM~ want to app it, and we
decide we don't want to do --...-. • ed to sell it to the public.
COMMISSIONER SA ~~---if we bid on this and
we get it for the -po t 1s going to be over
and above --e lie t we have on the
prope s ___ ::::• -:~ ch cash •
. _ _ . We're going to have --
e about 250---240,000.
ofpoc
500,000.
DERS: Okay. So we would be out
• • iece of property that's appraised at almost
CH • • -~~~-_.,,/: Good point.
MR. KLA : Yes.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: But then we'd have to do an
awful lot to it. I mean, so then if we --if you find the value, we have
to tear it down, build the park---so there's other expense there.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Or you could sell it for 470-. All right.
The motion's made.
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COMMISSIONER KOWAL: I have a --
CHAIRMAN HALL: Oh, go ahead.
October 22, 2024
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Can I just make one comment
here? So, basically, we're in a game of just saying --so we know
what the sale price is right now because we just set it.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: R igh
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: We j . et that sale price.
Everybody just realized that.
COMMISSIONER McD ANIE •
COMMISSIONER KOW A..._._'·--
we'll go up to the appraised valu
next guy's going to bid whatever --
a few dollars more than e . The
So we just got in the lY.ill,1;~
amongst people that may wa
made them have •
which is the 2 .
urt did; I didn't.
se we said
because the
ing to bid
ow t . price.
ce of real estate
we just basically
ed to the county,
Wejus
ahou
has
that really wants to fix it up, put
orhood that he now knows he
. pnce
C
co
• meet what we just set the
That's right.
AL: And I don't know if I'm in the
game for doirr ovemment. I don't know how --I don't
know, maybe th t y knows more than I do.
MR. KLATZ : You know, at times you do eminent
domain to acquire property for a public benefit. This is sort of --sort
of in that same vein. If you want to acquire this property for a public
purpose, it's something we do all the time.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And we're --I understand
we're --I don't disagree that we're kind of setting a price here, but the
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reason we're doing this is because we recognize that we may need
this piece of property for advancing the park.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: I'm not getting a clear answer
that we can even use it. I mean, I've asked some of the same
questions in my personal one-on-one meetings that due to the private
road coming up the other way and not havin • -0-or 60-foot
right-of-way, you know, to go into an app • off of this road, you
know, some other questions have to be afflLfflmlitr,ed here. And then
we're going to say, well, ifwe can't ~~t going to sell it.
So now we're hoping somebody • • 1 we paid for it.
So I'm just trying to --I'm I . 't have a horse
in the pool thing, so I'm just trying et i "1flll~r
COMMISSIONER ~k STRO :
pool?
COMMISSIO E
district. So I'm •
outside lookin
that business.
knows -·"
probably
big secret.
on't have a pool in my
....... .,._guy from the
o really want to be in
at's owed to us and move on. I
__ ,_.,__,., I think anybody that's in the
ounty is one of the bidders
op t1 to go up to appraised value but
higner, so I don't think that's any kind of
MR. FRE ___ , Commissioners, if I might, I was just
working with Mr. _ son. I believe the Property Appraiser --now
the Property Appraiser may not reflect the actual market because,
typically, they're a year or two behind. But right now the
unimproved value of the lot itself, Chris, was four --$472,000. That
is not the improved value. That is not the dock. That is not the
seawall. That is not the structure that may or may not be able to be
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rehabitated. So that's just the unimproved land is $472,000.
So if that weighs into your consideration --because clearly the
county --and, again, you would make that decision. Staff would not
bring you back an item that says, "Hey, let's remodel this house, and
we'll keep it for some reason."
Again, we'd only looked at it from the --hen we spoke, I had
only thought about the consideration of pe· additional kayak
launches, because we know we're strug ecause there is water
access and a dock's already there. I · uld r • re a rezone. But
the structure, in and of itself, sta ld probab · -and I know
we're --I'm speculating, but we .• Id most likely • mmend to take
that down, use that for our storage rhaps c . unity and
open space, and then exp on parki:=:::'.;:::~~ ently intema o the site.
CHAIRMAN HALL: -~-cDaniel .
COMMISSIONER Mc ~A..L ~.._._ Well, I'm back to
~~Iw~be£~=~~ ~~~ ~~~~
checkbook. _.. .. ,...., 'W.,._._ We just set the price.
It is --I mean, i get t buy it _ up to the --and it is an in-house
appra1s -~a..~~· ~~IJlitlJi val u for us. We can zone it and
• and s t I'm almost --I'm almost
, the ount of our lien, collect our
money, d.
I mea ioner owal said, we --by setting a
maximum va else that's watching, looking --this is all
being recorded, ~~~''t:~-""'"'dy can actually see if they want to buy it for
470 and 1 dollar, w _ · out.
CHAIRMAN HALL: That would be fine.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Now, on the other side of the
equation, maybe they're wanting to buy it for 350-, so we could end
up acquiring it for up to 4 70-, so ...
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner Locastro.
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COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Here is what I'll say. So we
had a motion, and I seconded it, and I'm going to recant my second,
because I'm thinking back historically how this whole thing started.
And you know what, on day one, we would have been happy to get
our money back and get rid of this thing that's a --that's the city
dump on Goodland. And we broke so much ew ground putting in
the lien and all that.
Yes, it was an interesting convers • g, you know, hey,
what, the people I
house gone,
want
but ifwe got it, you know, what abo
know that live in that area, theytre
they want to see a beautiful hou .... · ...... __ .L
somebody great and wonderful to JL.IL.L~ ......
our money back.
I know we're thinkin •
we're overthinkin this
Let's get
hard work th
get that piec
go1n
gom
com ..... '"" .. _..
lando
py to get
ou know, I think
·ng it.
tage of all the
mebody's going to
ea , but then they're
it, and in the end, we're
been wanting to have on that
, you know, homeowner and
So I mart thing to do from day one --but
then we're I'll say I'm guilty of starting to overthink
this of what c , e is the county goes up to the amount that
gets our dollar valu · ack,. and you know people are going to bid over
that, and in the end we're going to get exactly what we wanted many,
many, many months ago, which is just the money out of this --out of
this parcel.
So I would say we go up to that amount, and then it's a
free-for-all for the other bidders. And I already know there are
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several people interested in this property, so I feel confident not only
will we get our money back, but we will get a good buyer who has a
big positive plan for that comer, and I think it will be mission
accomplished. So my --
CHAIRMAN HALL: I'll let Commissioner Saunders restate
his motion.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS:
motion to authorize staff to bid up to th
reason I made that motion is because
the potential for needing that pro
at that facility. We won't have
to stick with the motion. There is
lack of a second. But th • --that is
CHAIRMAN HALL:
COMMISSIONER Mc .a...:w1. .. .L JL~
t. So I made the
d value. The
en discussion about
r park operation
So I'm going
ight fail for
COMMIS S ·~---· I'm ing to make a
motion that
which is w
starte
point o •
then we're
CHAI ··'.
COMMISS •
~P-'.IW , t re -s our money back,
ne . So then this thing just
I think that's not in the best
Ue . I don't think they want
at they want to see is just to
e the motion that we go up to the
. , d then when the bids exceed that,
highest bidder wins.
I'll second that.
cDANIEL: And is that --just as a point,
is that the 229-, or is that 229---
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yeah, 229 and change.
MR. KLATZKOW: 229,161.39.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That's as of the executive
summary, but is the interest traveling until the sale or --
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MR. KLATZKOW: No, I don't believe it is.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: And, you know, way back
when we were having conversations saying we'd be happy to get half
of that. So I think this is --this is a win-win, and then whoever bids
on it is going to do whatever we wanted for years, which is to tear
that house down and put something fabulous ,_ere .
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: ·G idea ..
CHAIRMAN HALL: Okay. M~L-
All in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER McD A
COMMISSIONER LoCAS
CHAIRMAN HALL:
COMMISSIONER '"""ta~
CHAIRMAN HALL:
COMMISSIONER SA
COMMIS S
COMMI
Airbnb in a
Item #15A
ger.
ill y it won't be an
Oh, God.
e . • uris1n dollars.
: It will increase our TDT tax.
i ssioners, that brings us to Item 15,
IC .
PUBLIC COMMENS ON GENERAL TOPICS NOT ON THE
CURRENT OR GUTURE AGENDA BY INDIVIDUALS NOT
ALREADY HEARD DURING PREBIOUS PUBLIC COMMENTS
IN THIS MEETING
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MS. PATTERSON: Item 15A is public comments on general
topics not on the current or future agenda by individuals not already
heard during previous public comments in this meeting.
MR. MILLER: We have none.
Item #15C
STAFF AND COMMISSION GENE
MS. PATTERSON: We ha
brings us to Item 15C, staff and
communications. I do not have an
County Attorney.
MR. KLATZKOW: ,~~~e
MS. PATTERSON:
CHAI 1 L :
couple thi
co
MMUNICATIONS
tes today, so that
niel, you've got a
Yeah. Well, the first thing I
he --I'm not really all thrilled
to do ,..,. ............. ·ith regard to the parking
reg
park1
amount
~-.....«.i th the partment complex and the 1. 5
st not a reality. It's not a sufficient
And ..... ~.L..... know we're --Mr. Bosi left but, you know,
we have an ove-~~r ~, stressed Planning Department. I guess my
question is is how . would it be to --for a collection of 67
counties to see what other communities are using as a parking
requisite for --as opposed to going and hiring a consultant to tell us
what we think we need to do?
MR. FRENCH: Thank you, Commissioner. Again, for the
record, my name's Jamie French.
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I spoke with Mr. Bosi this afternoon. And, yes, we are
constantly in dire need of good, qualified staff. What happens is we
train them up, and even most recently Brett Rosenblum, he was
recruited by Barron Collier.
So as we start to see a collaboration of these small engineering
firms get swept up by national firms, they rec it against us because
they really don't know the regulatory busi""'"_.., as well as our staff,
and there's value to that. So we strugg that, but we'll be okay.
So I've talked to Mike. What <loin • ght now is Josie
Medina within our office, she's g -'. a handful of
counties. We'll look at Sarasot a:, ""'"""'"""'""IM-look,
perhaps, maybe at Broward, Hillsb ..,.::IIQR!v.-a can draw
in like-kind neighborhoo -d types · , an do
exactly that. I think I can --.-. .. _ at in-house.
COMMISSIONER Mc.a...-._&..L
in-house --
MR.
co
-house.
And then that will let us have
· ck. Because, again,
the same confines than what
1generational families that are
in the s _ --an _-a-half parking spaces for a
three-bedr , so --and ultimately, it will --it
will have us itional consideration to the ultimate
densities that de n-t.lJn;ilalM....,1111 nts are, in fact, allowed.
So thank you. ___ afs the only comment that I had. If that's
sufficient --have you got enough positive head nods to have them do
that?
CHAIRMAN HALL: Yes.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Okay. Good. That's all I
have.
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CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner Locastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: So a lot of good discussion
post Milton, you know, of some things that earlier release in a little
bit more detail about, you know, things like Alert Collier, saving your
sandbags, things like that.
But a gentleman that spoke here at the P. m --I wrote down
his name. He's actually in Commissioner district. Charlie
Melchner was one of the gentlemen tha • re. At one of the
breaks he came up to me and said, y · that would be
very helpful is when everybody's Costco and
everything to load up on things, he word
out --and, you know, granted, som • est ~--~-........ great
ideas, but they take a lot ...._ ... """"fort. B was . ea that
maybe Dan would conside do it easily.
But he was saying that doesn't get out
about sandbags that some of those
big stores that ._,,. •• ., rricane, you know,
if we dropped o , if there was
somethi G :waa,.. ,,.,_.,., an't be running all over
tow ·~=·~ow, .... ...,.._ ery five minutes. But, you
kno ~~=~ ething . d to the "talk out loud" list
when , g o ow we can do some things better.
But t 1 • it of merit, because it's like, I'm sitting here
in a packed "'t~ .... ~.. .ry bo dy's sort of talking to each other going,
you know, "Di d ..._>+ .. • anything about sandbags? Did you hear
anything about eva tion sites or whatnot?" And everybody's
playing on their phones while they're waiting in line and, you know,
by the exit, there could be something that the county drew up that
maybe is, you know, that John Mullins and his people put up for
something that isn't going to go change regularly, but it could even
just say, "Sandbag deliveries are at these parks. Check this website
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for delivery times," and what have you. "Sign up for Alert Collier,"
you know, big generic things because a lot of people are walking
through those exits. So I thought it was actually a pretty good idea.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: We ran out of sandbags.
Trinity had to go make a run somewhere when --
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: She cheted a bunch is
what I heard. She's a real doer.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL:
of them in the first place.
COMMISSIONER LoCA
CHAIRMAN HALL: C
COMMISSIONER SA
announcements. We ha,,'Ut -~
the topics was the Golden
they are anticipating ground 1
January or Feb ext y
2025, potentia
groundbreaking
Ou
weren't a large supply
n a.
wee d one of
e good news is that
olf course in
the late fall of . . 1g news 1s
installing some water mains
ate Golf Course. So from and t.
what
mains ac
his staff for
really well underway. I think
ey needed to do to bring in the water
kudos to our --to Dr. Yilmaz and
up a lot of people in Golden Gate City
with water.
Another good.. item: There's a new two-story building
that's going up on Golden Gate Parkway. That's the first building
that's taking advantage of our zoning overlay to permit two-and
three-story buildings in the commercial district. They also are the
beneficiary of some funding from the taxing district that we have
there to hook up water and sewer facilities. So that's the first
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redevelopment project in that Golden Gate commercial area.
And then, finally, I think we may all have heard that the
Renaissance project, they got their funding, and they're looking for
groundbreaking sometime in the next several weeks. So things are
happening.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Mr.
closing on that. We did a ribbon-cutting
over --affordable housing developmen
he said that he had actually closed.
Phase 2 and the other project and
announced his
24-unit development
igas, last week, and
e timeline on
oodle.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Co • ssioner Kowal.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL:
I'd just like to put it
master planning workshop
think it was last Monday.
I just want to pu who's
whatever, that
November 14th
an.
ay Tr e citizens'
be sche u ed --I
ne, it was canceled.
-ting on
. : 0. I think this is a
our business owners in the
.. a.i""_l 'le ma-and-pa stores along the
Da v1 • or that · eads along the --down to the
point o . _ • ~ Airport side, because this is trying to
get everyb • • d ge ideas on how to move forward, you
know, and re 1z1ng . ot of these older and kind of blighted
buildings and li t~~~n~"--,""ing plazas that lie along those roadways in
part of this, you kn , master plan of the Triangle, the Gateway area.
So I think it's a good, important meeting. If you know anybody
or anybody out there listening know any business owners, people like
that, I think it would be a good workshop to attend. So that's, again,
on November 14th, 5:30 to 7:30 at Botanical Gardens.
That's all I've got to say.
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CHAIRMAN HALL: Great. I just have one thing. You
know, this wet season has brought to light some issues. You know,
you get homeowners that say there's a guy that built a new house, and
now all of his water's coming on me, and so you --we find out that,
you know, when the house is built, to get the CO, you have to retain
your own stormwater. Your stormwater can' be leaking onto the
neighbor.
And a lot of times these people, th
these people --other people are retai
they're seeing their actual stormw
Well, that's one side of the ditch.
The other side of the ditch is •~--..,
our Code Enforcement.
Mr. Bosi about it yester -
Ridge Estates. The
home, and the
have to retai . six-or seve
his h •
ure out that when
n stormwater, that
een leaking.
hole within
. Fre nd
call me from Pine
• ng a very large
at says that they
. So during this
a ally gotten water in
c p which can --you know,
kee oe n 't anything for water.
·t up. I don't know --I don't know
o to actually incorporate that in our code or
was super nice. He was like, "Dude," he
-interference," he said, "but this is
something that's re _·_ _ It's happened to us."
what we w
if we wanted • .
And I said, "You know, that's worth a conversation."
Mr. French, regarding that guy from Pine Ridge that
called --and I was just asking, you know, I don't know what we
would have to do to close that loophole or to make things better.
What would be the process?
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MR. FRENCH: So currently --and, again, Jamie French, for
the record.
Currently, within your Land Development Code there's no
requirement outside of the silt fence to retain your water. Now, it is
a federal requirement as well as you've got to demonstrate that
through the Florida --State of Florida's Buil • g Code.
But there --we do have within our C of Laws and
Ordinances, which I think, Jeff, we mi
would --we would have to have --t -
owner under construction, they
engineering documents on thei
they're going to retain that not
time that the actual co
But currently our
much of a problem
were --I think
Jaime, that sh ____ _
to revisit, that
the property
way of their
lanhow
from the
ver --it's not been
II meeting you
think it was
pe -are listening to her.
When we talke ater has been trespassing on
' --now it's --now the
'"" ___ e use your water's no longer
leav
An ndar ave changed. But I would ask if --if
it's the p ie ard we can go back and look at the
administrati v"--·--''' the Florida Building Code that You look at
locally or our C ~u !.IIIHl:;:i-a .ws and Ordinances to address this to where
they would retain t water on their site during all phases of
construction once it's been permitted.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I think that's a good idea.
Can you do that, County Attorney, or does that have to be done by
Building?
MR. KLATZKOW: No. I'll work with Jamie on this. We'll
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bring something back.
CHAIRMAN HALL: No. I think it makes good common
sense, and it's fair.
And, of course, the wet season, extremely wet season, has really
brought it to light, but it doesn't mean it won't happen again. It could
happen again next year.
So anyway, that's all my comments. d meeting today,
gentlemen. Enjoyed it.
And with that, we're adjourned.
****Commissioner Kowal moved,
Saunders, and carried tha -• f ollowi
summary agendas be app r
THE CHAJ
ECONO =I~'.; ..... ,
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er t I sen t and
, BCC Meeting)
MENTTOTHE
NT WITH PFPI OZ,
NGST LINE ITEMS
IC DEVELOPMENT IN
from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
FINAL ACCEPT_ E OF THE POTABLE WATER AND
SEWER UTILITY FACILITIES AND ACCEPT THE
CONVEYANCE OF THE POTABLE WATER AND SEWER
FACILITIES FOR TERRENO AT VALENCIA GOLF AND
COUNTRY CLUB PHASE 2B AND 2C, PL20240005675 -FINAL
INSPECTION ON JUNE 14, 2024, AND THESE FACILITIES
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HA VE BEEN FOUND TO BE SATISFACTORY AND
ACCEPTABLE
Item #16A3 -(Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
THE RELEASE OF A CODE ENFORCE 1 T LIEN WITH AN
ACCRUED VALUE OF $149,700 FOR ~~u UCED PAYMENT
OF $24,070.90 IN THE CODE ENFO T ACTION TITLED
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMIS S DOUBLE M
INVESTMENTS, LLC, RELAT I Y LOCATED
AT 659 PALM A VE., COLLIE
FINAL ACCEPTANCE A
THEPOTABL · RA .~~._.
FOR SEVEN S
eeting)
ONVEY ANCE OF
-""'-"""'--y FACILITIES
15660
ober 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
RES RESO LUTION FOR FINAL
A CCEP E P ATE ROADWAY AND
DRAINA . ~~ .ENTS AND ACCEPTANCE OF THE
PLAT DEDI '---' .... ...,.,.,.ION , OR THE FINAL PLAT OF FOUNDERS
SQUARE, APPC~~~ N NUMBER PL20190000344, AND
AUTHORIZE T . LEASE OF THE MAINTENANCE
SECURITY IN THE AMOUNT OF $575,493.19
Item #16A6 -(Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
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AGREEMENT FOR SALE AND PURCHASE UNDER THE
CONSERVATION COLLIER LAND ACQUISITION PROGRAM
WITH ROBERT A. DENNISON FOR A 2.73-ACRE PARCEL AT
A COST OF $62,790, FOR A TOTAL COST NOT TO EXCEED
$64,510 INCLUSIVE OF CLOSING COSTS
RESOLUTION 2024-195: A RE
GROWTH MANAGEMENT
DEPARTMENT SERVICES F
OPERATING COSTS ASS
ENDING THE
~LO PMENT
CT GTHE
REVIEW, PRELIM ~ R ..
USE AGREEMENT .......-....·..... ~ ATE OF
OCTOBER 8, 20 ,.._.,,, ,..,..,_,,...., E COLLIER
COUNTY C ~-~...,..__._::ailii , SECTION 2-13
Item #16A8 - (
RES
A C
D
PLAT
HACIEND
NUMBER P
OF THE MAI '
$61,369.69
-r-1-,i. .. ~raid!"-"" TION FOR FINAL
"-"·------rrr."tlD VA T . ROADWAY AND
: M -~-S AND ACCEPTANCE OF THE
I OR THE FINAL PLAT OF AZURE AT
HASE 1 REPLAT, APPLICATION
II'.~.,.. 74, AND AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE
CE SECURITY IN THE AMOUNT OF
Item #16A9 -(Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
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FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE POTABLE WATER AND
SEWER UTILITY FACILITIES AND ACCEPT THE
CONVEYANCE OF A PORTION OF THE POTABLE WATER
FACILITIES AND APPURTENANT UTILITY EASEMENT FOR
HAMPTON INN AT THE SHOPS AT HAMMOCK COVE,
PL20240006452 -FINAL INSPECTION O LY 18, 2024, IN
COORDINATION WITH PUBLIC UTIL S, FOUND THESE
FACILITIES TO BE SATISFACTOR ~.--~ ACCEPTABLE
Item # 16A 10 - ( Continued from t •
FINAL ACCEPTANCE FT
SEWER UTILITY FA . -""IH-~
CONVEYANCE OF A
FACILITIES FO
FINAL IN SP
FACILITIE
FIN
FA CIL
CLUBHO
, BCC Meeting)
D
THE
ER UTILITY
240006813 -
DTHESE
BLE
to ber 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
ABLE WATER UTILITY
GOLF & COUNTRY CLUB
STAFF TO ADVERTISE AN ORDINANCE AMENDING
ORDINANCE 2022-42, AS AMENDED, WHICH ESTABLISHED
MILESTONE INSPECTIONS OF AGING CONDOMINIUM AND
COOPERATIVE BUILDINGS IN UNINCORPORATED COLLIER
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COUNTY AND BRING BACK THE ORDINANCE AT AN
ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING
Item #16A13 -(Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
THE SELECTION COMMITTEE'S RA
INVITATION TO NEGOTIATE (ITN) ,
"IMMOKALEE CULINARY ACCEL •~~1
RELATED TO
8291,
EQUIPMENT PURCHASE" AND ~.~
ASE AND
TAFF TO
BEGIN NEGOTIATIONS WI ~
CORE HEALTH PARTNERS F
SO THAT A PROPOSED AGREE ·NT _....
BACKFORTHEBO ~~co SI~
MEETING
Item #16A14 -
FIRM,
RATED,
HT
AT TURE
DONATIO , TT . ALLOWS SD ORANGE
BLO
T
-~ L. TED LIABILITY COMPANY,
-A C -. ELS ALONG WITH A
ENT 'F $239,280, TO THE
CO NS L AND ACQUISITION PROGRAM
UNDER T VEG ETATION RETENTION PROVISION
OF THE L OPMENT CODE LDC SEC 3.05.07
H.1.F.VI.(B), A :;"':~-~ ST TO THE COUNTY, AND
AUTHORIZE T IRMA TO SIGN THE DONATION
AGREEMENT AND STAFF TO TAKE ALL NECESSARY
ACTIONS TO CLOSE
Item #16Al 5 -(Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
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A COLLIER COUNTY STANDARD FORM LONG-TERM
GROUND LEASE AND A COLLIER COUNTY STANDARD
FORM DEVELOPER AGREEMENT WITH MHP COLLIER II,
LLC, TO BUILD HOUSING THAT IS AFFORDABLE AT 6360
COLLIER BOULEY ARD IN A DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS
EKOS ON COLLIER
Item # 16A 16 - ( Continued from the Oc
RESOLUTION 2024-197: A R
ACCEPTANCE OF THE PRI
DRAINAGE IMPROVEME
PLAT DEDICATIONS
HARBOR AT FIDDLE
NUMBER PL201 0
OF THE M
$2,041,546.
2024, BCC Meeting)
y
PPLICATION
THE RELEASE
M OUNT OF
TH E C · _ ENF RCEMENT LIEN WITH AN
ACCR1
_
1 $9 0, FOR A REDUCED PAYMENT
OF $894 .2 • DE E ·FO RCEMENT ACTION TITLED
BOARD OF OMMISSIONERS VS. LUIS RIOS
CENTENO, RE ...... ~kn TO PROPERTY LEASED AT 301
FILLMORE ST., LIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
Item #16A18
THE CLERK OF COURTS TO RELEASE A PERFORMANCE
BOND IN THE AMOUNT OF $735,293.15 WHICH WAS POSTED
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AS A GUARANTY FOR EXCAVATION PERMIT NUMBER
PL20220004687 FOR WORK ASSOCIATED WITH CA YMAS
PHASE ONE
Item #16A19
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE SEWE ... _ ILITY FACILITIES
AND ACCEPT THE CONVEYANCE E SEWER UTILITY
FACILITIES FOR FIDDLER'S C -US 41
TURNLANE OFFSITE FO RCE T ,
PL20240002087 -AS DE SCRI CORDS
(O.R.) BOOK 6391, PAGE (PG) 2 RECORDS
OF COLLIER COUNTY ORIDA ·~~
Item #16A20
FINALACC
SEWER UT
co
UT~.
EA _._.. ... '"""'._,_
PL2
ua~. AB L"PJi~v ATER AND
• D ACCEPT THE
WATER AND SEWER
E ANT UTILITY
SE ONE -PHASE IC & ID,
FINAL ACCEPT • E AND ACCEPT THE CONVEYANCE OF
THE POTABLE WATER AND SEWER UTILITY FACILITIES
FOR GROVES AT ORANGE BLOSSOM PHASE 2B,
PL20240007175
Item #16A22
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TO ACCEPT THE CONSERVATION COLLIER ANNUAL
REPORT, PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE PROGRAM'S PAST
ACTIVITIES, AND TO SOLICIT ACQUISITION PROPOSALS
AND APPLICATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC
Item #16A23
THE PROPERTIES ON THE CO
ACTIVE ACQUISITION LIST
PURSUE PROJECTS RECO
CATEGORY, FUNDED BY CO
A CQ UISITION FUND
Item #16A25
COLLIER
CT STAFF TO
E A-
'"'--1 ....... __.R LAND
Change Sheet)
AG ··
DIB ___.
_ GANNETT MEDIA CORP,
.Li ~~IQ, FOR THE PUBLISHING
OF
N AP
EXEC
VERTISEMENTS IN THE
UTHORIZE THE CHAIR TO
RESOLUTION 2024-199: A RESOLUTION APPROVING AND
AUTHORIZING THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE THE FY25-26
PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION GRANT AGREEMENT (PTGA)
410139-1-84-08 WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION (FDOT) STATE BLOCK GRANT
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PROGRAM IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,422,884 PROVIDING FOR
STATE FUNDING FOR ELIGIBLE COLLIER COUNTY FIXED-
ROUTE TRANSIT ADMINISTRATIVE, MANAGEMENT, AND
OPERATIONAL EXPENSES IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,211,442,
APPROVE A LOCAL MATCH IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,211,442
AND AUTHORIZE THE NECESSARY BU GET
AMENDMENTS (COLLIER AREA T GRANT FUND
4031)
Item # 16B2 - ( Continued from th
AGREEMENTFORTHEP 0
WAY, DRAINAGE, •
1508RDUE) REQUIRE
ROAD EXT -PH E
ESTIMATE
Item #16B3 -
NT (P EL
ILTBEACH
0. 60249).
AW ~ .. .,. PR _ _ NAL SERVICES NO. 23-
81 9
HA
IN
C
(PROJECT #·
16TH STREET NE BRIDGE," TO
·VE NSTRUCTION SERVICES, LLC,
1,63 3,476.71, AND AUTHORIZE THE
HE ATTACHED AGREEMENT
Item #l 6B4 -(Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
AGREEMENT WITH BIG CYPRESS STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT
(DISTRICT) TO COORDINATE THE CONSTRUCTION AND
COST SHARING OF TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS AT
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THE INTERSECTION OF GOLDEN GATE BOULEY ARD AND
DESOTO BOULEY ARD
Item #16B5 -(Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
AGREEMENT FOR THE PURCHASE OF . • RAINAGE
EASEMENT (PARCEL 153DE) REQ UI FO R THE WEST
GOODLETTE-FRANKROAD AREA ~ WATER
IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PHAS (PR T NO. 60142).
ESTIMATED FISCAL IMPACT· ,875
A MEMORANDUM OF ,
FLORIDA DEPARTMENT
MOTOR VEHI OR
Item #16B7 -
AG
G (MOU) WITH THE
•. FE TY AND
DATA
er 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
OF RIGHT-OF-WAY
D FO R THE VANDERBILT (P AR
BEAC
60249 ). E
PH 2 PROJECT (PROJECT NO.
SCAL IMPACT: $43,800
AFTER-THE-FACT PAYMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $52,168.50
TO AIM ENGINEERING & SURVEYING, INC., FOR THE
"PALM RIVER WEIR REPLACEMENT" PROJECT UNDER
AGREEMENT NO. 18-7432-CE, "PROFESSIONAL SERVICES
LIBRARY CIVIL ENGINEERING CATEGORY" FOR WORK
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COMPLETED TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE COUNTY.
(PROJECT NUMBER 60234)
Item #16B9 -(Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
AFTER-THE-FACT PAYMENT IN THE UNT OF
$395,513.10 TO COASTAL CON UCTS, LLC,
D/B/A COASTAL SITE DEVELO -----THE
COMPLETED "HARBOR-HO ,........,.;ir A CEMENT"
PROJECT UNDER AGREE •
"UNDERGROUND CONT WORK
COMPLETED TO THE C
NUMBER 50210)
Item #16B10 - ( •
AFTER-TH
$198, 15.84
co
MA
AGRE
SERVICE
SATISFACT
024 , BCC Meeting)
~r HE -OUNT OF
... ,, .......... -TE PRODUCTS, LLC D/B/ A
O R THE COMPLETED
·RMWATER
' PROJECT UNDER
ERGROUNDCONTRACTOR
.. PLETED TO THE
OUNTY. (PROJECT NUMBER 60224 )
Item #16Bl 1 - (Con , ued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
AWARD INVITATION TO BID ("ITB") NO. 24-8260, "TREE
RELOCATIONS AND IRRIGATION INSTALLATION FROM 1-75
AT PINE RIDGE RD TO 1-75 AT GOLDEN GATE PKWY
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PROJECT," TO VISUALSCAPE, INC., IN THE AMOUNT OF
$741,743.40, APPROVE THE NECESSARY BUDGET
AMENDMENTS, AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN
THE ATTACHED AGREEMENT
Item #16B12
TWO AGREEMENTS FOR THE P .
101FEE1 AND 101FEE2 REQUI
THE LAKE PARK FLOW WA y .--
AND TO APPROVE THE NEC._.__·~
AMENDMENT. ESTIMATED FI ~
LOCATED SOUTH OF IAMI
Item #16B13
AGREEME
(PAR EL
BE
60 2
OF PARCELS
STRUCTION OF
E T 60246)
T
· TOFWAY
H ANDERBILT
CT (PROJECT NO.
: $7,051
AGREEME OR T PURCHASE OF RIGHT OF WAY
(PARCEL 1314 UWifl~QUIRED FOR THE VANDERBILT
BEACH ROAD E • -PHASE 2 PROJECT (PROJECT NO.
60249) ESTIMATED FISCAL IMPACT: $31,200
Item #16B15
AGREEMENT FOR THE PURCHASE OF RIGHT OF WAY
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October 22, 2024
(PARCEL 1376FEE) REQUIRED FOR THE VANDERBILT
BEACH ROAD EXT -PHASE 2 PROJECT (PROJECT NO.
60249). ESTIMATED FISCAL IMPACT: $75,500 -THE PROJECT
WHICH WILL EXTEND VANDERBILT BEACH ROAD FROM
16TH STREET NE TO EVERGLADES BOULEY ARD; PROVIDE
SIDEWALKS; A SHARED USE PATHWA • BIKE LANES;
DRAINAGE; AND RELATED IMPROV NTS
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Item #16B16
AGREEMENTFORTHEPU
(PARCEL 1301FEE) RE I
BEACH ROAD EXT -
60249 ). ESTIMATED F
Item #16Bl 7
AWARD I
BLVD
MA
SUP
VE D.....,,.,.._.._
ATTACH ........... "'W'.iM
Item #16B18
TB ") NO. 24-8258, "DA VIS
t,;_ E -WORK AREA 26," TO
• ·y VENDOR, AND
VI CE , INC., AS THE SECONDARY
THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE
AWARD INVITATION TO BID ("ITB") NO. 24-8253,
"PURCHASE AND DELIVERY OF AGGREGATES," TO GRIPPO
PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE, INC., J & Y GROUP
ENTERPRISES, LLC., AND QUALITY ENTERPRISES USA,
INC., ON A PRIMARY, SECONDARY AND TERTIARY BASIS,
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AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE
ATTACHED AGREEMENTS
Item #16B19
ACCEPT THE AW ARD AND AUTHO RIZ . 'HE CHAIRMAN TO
EXECUTE GRANT AGREEMENT NO. 0 1 BETWEEN
COLLIER COUNTY BOARD OF CO ~Jt.c COMMISSIONERS
AND THE FLORIDA DEPARTME IRONMENTAL
PROTECTION FOR FUNDING , T AND
SUPPORT FOR COLLIER CO URISHMENT
PROJECTS
Item #16B20
AMENDME
BUREAU
MANAG
INC ··
A
0 ~--T"""'!
A F
Item #16B21
PROTECTION
VIOP,ll[~T A WSTEMS, BEACH
TANCE PROGRAM, TO
107,000, FOR A TOTAL
~-~-~~~THEAGREEMENTFOR
G OF I GGINS PASS, AND MAKE
PROMOTES TOURISM
CHANGE ORDER 0. 1 UNDER AGREEMENT NO. 23-8099 TO
UTILIZE THE OWNER'S ROADWAY ALLOWANCE IN THE
AMOUNT OF $3,100 FOR ADDITIONAL MODIFIED FENCE
GATES AND ADD 10 ADDITIONAL DAYS FOR THE
VETERANS MEMORIAL BL VD. PHASE 1 -NOISE BARRIER
WALL PROJECT (PROJECT NO. 60198)
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Item #16B22
AWARD INVITATION TO BID ("ITB") 24-8213,
"REHABILITATION OF BRIDGES AT IMMOKALEE ROAD
ANDNORTHNAPLESCANALANDAT -NDALL
BOULEY ARD OVER GOLDEN GATE ~•---.L CANAL" TO
THOMAS MARINE CONSTRUCTIO =~· ., IN THE AMOUNT
OF $1,392,434.40, APPROVE THE LOWANCE OF
$111,000, AND AUTHORIZE T . 0 SIGN THE
ATTACHED AGREEMENT (P
eeting)
CHANGEORDE~~ DAYS TO
AGREEMENT ~~ ....... T Til'liViii -i"'ii:liiN'::ICT'I. : VE
TECHNOLO ~r ---.L.L-TION PANELS
REPLA C · ME . IZE THE
CH O~~~-CHANGE ORDER
(PR
he October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
AGREEME 31-NS, "HACH LAB EQUIPMENT,
PRODUCTS, A et~~ ---~VICES," WITH HACH COMP ANY IN AN
ESTIMATED AM T OF $350,000 PER FISCAL YEAR
UNDER A SOLE-SOURCE W AIYER FOR A PERIOD OF THREE
YEARS, WITH THREE ONE-YEAR RENEW AL OPTIONS, AND
AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE ATTACHED
AGREEMENT
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Item #16C3 -(Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
AWARD INVITATION TO BID ("ITB") NO. 24-8269, "NORTH
COUNTY WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY VACTOR
TRUCK DISPOSAL MODIFICATION & EXPANSION," TO
DOUGLAS N. HIGGINS, INC., IN THE A UNT OF
$591,320.00, APPROVE AN OWNER'S ~OWANCE OF
$40,000, AND AUTHORIZE THE C I TO SIGN THE
ATTACHED AGREEMENT
Item # 16C4 - ( Continued from fACi --.,
AWARD A REQUEST
AGREEMENT NO. 20-
CONTRACTOR
SYSTEM" P
AMOUNTO
ALL
BU ~R~
A P
~ ("RFQ") ER
_GROUND
A -IRRIGATION
,a~ ~....,.. S, INC., IN THE
N _, R 'S
VE THE NECESSARY
TH ORIZE STAFF TO OPEN
RK. (PROJECT #70194 )
THE BO Y COMMISSIONERS DIRECT THE
COUNTY MA O,R HER DESIGNEE TO NEGOTIATE
AND SECURE CO, INUATION OF EXISTING BEST VALUE
SERVICES FOR SOLID WASTE, RECYCLABLE MATERIALS,
AND YARD TRASH COLLECTION WITH WASTE
MANAGEMENT INC., OF FLORIDA, AND WASTE PRO OF
FLORIDA, INC., AND TO BRING BACK NEGOTIATED
AGREEMENTS FOR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVALS
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Item #16C6
AGREEMENT NO. 24-056-NS, "PROMINENT EQUIPMENT,
PARTS, AND SERVICES," WITH TRINOVA, INC., UNDER A
SINGLE SOURCE W AIYER, APPROVE E ENDITURES FOR
AN ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF $100,00 ~-...,R EACH FISCAL
YEAR FOR THE DURATION OF TH -YEAR
AGREEMENT, AND AUTHORIZ RMAN TO SIGN
THE ATTACHED AGREEMEN
Item #16C7
AGREEMENT NO. 24-
AND SERVIC "
PERIOD OF
WAIVER,
AMO
FOR
AU
AG
"E D, HAUSER PRODUCTS
~T ....... ~ + H ER, INC., FOR A
I G SOURCE
, AN ESTIMATED
L YEAR AND $2,000,000
____ AGREEMENT AND
__ I GNTHEATTACHED
AFTER-THE-F YME , T IN THE AMOUNT OF
$152,032.21 ON P APPLICATION NO. 9 TO MITCHELL &
STARK CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, INC., FOR WORK
COMPLETED FOR CHANGE ORDERS NO. 4, 5, 6 AND 9
UNDER AGREEMENT NO. 20-7769, "SCRWTP REACTOR
TANK 4," AND MAKE A FINDING THAT THIS
EXPENDITURE HAS AV ALID PUBLIC PURPOSE (PROJECT
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#70135)
Item #16C9
BUDGET AMENDMENTS TO RECOGNIZE $3,814,600 IN
CARRY-FORWARD REVENUES DEPO SI D IN THE
DISASTER RECOVERY FUND (1813) ...,,.__,,.LJJVED FROM THE
INSURANCE PROCEEDS RELATED~ -HURRICANE IAN
CLAIMS IN FY24 AND ALLOCA 3,81 , • 0 WITHIN THE
SAMEFUND(1813)FORWAT EWER D CT
RECOVERY EFFORTS
Item #16Dl -(Continued
AWARDREQU
"PROFESS! a~1,l•:tliJl:r"t~
DEPARTM
(HUD E ·
CO A ~-~
NO
AS
AU
AG.,,.
eeting)
N O. 23-8189,
RATION OF U.S.
U:Ji11~ DEVELOPMENT
" TO FLORIDA HOUSING
~ Y VENDOR, AND TO
MULLIN & LONERGAN
SEC NDARY VENDOR, AND
TO SIGN THE ATTACHED
AFTER-THE-FACT EMERGENCY HOME ENERGY
ASSISTANCE PROGRAM SEVENTH AND EIGHTH
AMENDMENT BETWEEN THE AREA AGENCY ON AGING
FOR SOUTHWEST FLORIDA INC., AND COLLIER COUNTY
SERVICES FOR SENIORS EMERGENCY HOME ENERGY
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ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FY24 TO RENEW THE AGREEMENT
FOR ONE YEAR, REPLACE ATTACHMENT II EXHIBIT 5-
FUNDING SUMMARY (2024-2025); REPLACE ATTACHMENT
IX-BUDGET SUMMARY (2024-2025); RECOGNIZE
ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF $12,371.73,
BRINGING THE TOTAL AWARD TO $32 18.78; AND
AUTHORIZE THE NECESSARY BUD _..,.~ ·DMENT
(HUMAN SERVICES GRANT FUND
HUD ESG-CV GRANT L
OUT THE EMERGEN
PROGRAM YEAR 202
Item #16D4
FIRST AMEND
CO LLI '
CO v,aa.-.,
#CD.,,J ~
CO MP
(H OUSIN
Item #16D5
ME T CLOSE
NT-CV F THE
I COUNTY AND THE
RITY TO AMEND
K GRANT AGREEMENT
ONDPROJECT
AL REQUIRED ACTIVITIES.
' 5)
ONE (1) RELEASE OF LIEN FOR AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING
DENSITY BONUS FOR A UNIT THAT IS NO LONGER
SUBJECT TO THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT
Item #16D6
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THE FISCAL YEAR 2024-2025 YEAR 2 AMERICORPS
SEPTEMBER 11 TH NATIONAL DAY OF SERVICE AND
REMEMBRANCEGRANTAWARDINTHEAMOUNTOF
$196,561, ALLOW THE COUNTY MANAGER OR HER
DESIGNEE TO SERVE AS THE AUTHO R ED
REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE GRANT ,__.LECTRONIC
SUBMISSION SYSTEM, EGRANTS, :ilJRQUGHOUT THE
GRANT AWARD PERIOD, AND ...... _THE
NECESSARY BUDGET AME • G GRANT
FUND 183 5)
Item #16D7
AGREEMENTB
RENAISSAN
ARP21-26 F
WITH
PRO ~~-~
TO
PR
DEP
FISCA
PROJECT C
Item #16D8
Y AND
xv~ L , AGREEMENT
.:.,.; CT S ASSOCIATED
LE SENIOR HOUSING
E GATE GOLF COURSE
ING INITIATIVES
GRA FROM THE U.S.
SURY, STATE AND LOCAL
D· (HOUSING GRANTS FUND 1835,
A FOURTH AMENDMENT TO AGREEMENT NO. 19-7500
WITH G.A. FOOD SERVICES OF PINELLAS COUNTY, LLC,
D/B/A G.A. FOOD SERVICE, TO EXTEND THE TERM TO
PROVIDE SERVICES FOR THE SENIOR FOOD PROGRAM,
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AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE
ATTACHED AMENDMENT
Item #16D9
lTY
IENT
SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE CO MM
DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT SUB I
AGREEMENT #CD22-02 BETWEEN -""'9111i<'L ........ R COUNTY AND
THE SHELTER FOR ABUSED W ~~~
INC., TO REALLOCATE FUND
EXPENDITURES (H OUSING
Item #16D10
FIRST AMEN
BETWEEN 'Mtinunm~r:n
CO MMUN
TO AME
DREN,
-RELATED
AGREEMENT
COUNTY
IMMOKALEE)
BLOCK GRANT
HE PERIOD OF
UND 183 5)
e October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
. TURE S UNDER A SINGLE-SOURCE
W AIYER FOR ___ D OF FIVE YEARS, FROM FY 2025
THROUGH FY 20 , IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED
$100,000 PER FISCAL YEAR, TO OBTAIN ORIGINAL
EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURER ("OEM") AND NON-OEM
PARTS, SUPPLIES, FREIGHT, AND SERVICES FROM ETR,
LLC ("ETR") NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN COUNTY
AMBULANCES AND EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT
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Item #16E2 -(Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
RECOGNIZE THE APPROVAL OF THE RENEW AL TERM OF
CONTRACT #18-7341-WV AND APPROVE THE
EXPENDITURE THROUGH A SINGLE-S . • R CE W AIYER FOR
A PERIOD OF FIVE (5) YEARS FOR T R CHASE OF RISK
MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SY.iifflCI.A SOFTWARE FROM
RISKONNECT CLEARSIGHT, LL OUNT NOT TO
EXCEED $176,127 PER FIS CA~n,..,. • PROVE ANY
OUTSTANDING INVOICES
AUTHORIZER
AMENDME
BUDGET
OPEN P
AN A A ........ i.a-r
AGREEM
AUTHORIT
OPERATION A
WITH AN OPTIO
Item #16E5
eeting)
BUDGET
, RWARD
.29 FOR APPROVED
D TATEMENT OF LEASEHOLD
. E CITY OF NAPLES AIRPORT
EMS HELICOPTER MEDFLIGHT
APLES AIRPORT FOR FIVE (5) YEARS
OR A ( 5) FIVE-YEAR RENEW AL
THE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT PREPARED BY THE
PROCUREMENT SERVICES DIVISION FOR VARIOUS
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COUNTY DIVISIONS' AFTER-THE-FACT PURCHASES
REQUIRING BOARD APPROVAL, IN ACCORDANCE WITH
PROCUREMENT ORDINANCE 2017-08, AS AMENDED, AND
THE PROCUREMENT MANUAL, IN THE AMOUNT OF $831.00
Item #16Fl -(Continued from the October 8 02 4, BCC Meeting)
A WARD CONSTRUCTION INVITA
23-8179, THE "COLLIER BOULE
IMPROVEMENTS" TO KELLY
AMOUNT OF $1,224,873.00,
ALLOWANCE OF $50,000, AUT
SIGN THE ATTACHED REE .
NECESSARY BUDGET MEN
0 BID ("ITB") NO.
....,__,,_ING PARK
., IN THE
PP THE
JECT NO. 80404)
Item #16F2
INVITATI
LOT
MA
AP
24-8255, THE "PARKING
S" TO PAVEMENT
AU
AGR 1·.
Item #16F3
T OF $1,219,694.50,
NCE OF $160,000.00, AND
0 SIGN THE ATTACHED
.. I • 50225 )
THE CONVEYANCE OF EASEMENT TO FLORIDA POWER &
LIGHT CO., TO PROVIDE SP ACE FOR A PAD-MOUNTED
TRANSFORMER AND METER TO DELIVER ELECTRIC
SERVICE AT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION COLLIER EMS
STATION NO. 74 AT 99 DE SOTO BOULEVARD SOUTH. (2024-
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1070)
Item #16F4
AW ARD INVITATION TO BID ("ITB") NO. 24-8246, "LIFT
STATION PREVENTATIVE MAINTENA E AND REPAIRS,"
TO FLORIDA UTILITY SOLUTIONS, ----·, AS THE PRIMARY
VENDOR, AND U.S. WATER SERV ORPORATION, AS
THE SECONDARY VENDOR, ZE THE
CHAIRMANTOSIGNTHEAT ·ME ·T
Item #16F5
APPROVAL OF $1,000 T
REGARDING SERVICES
Item #16F6 ( hange Sheet)
THE .... _,.,. 2COP (BEER AND WINE)
LI CEN O A 4C (BE 1 WINE, AND LIQUOR) LICENSE
FOR THE . .---., IS __ OAST SPORTS COMPLEX ("SPORTS
COMPLEX") AL FOR THE SALE OF LIQUOR IN
ADDITION TO ~MID""~ND WINE CONSISTENT WITH
OPERATING PLA FOR THE SPORTS COMPLEX AND FC
NAPLES, AND AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MANAGER OR
DESIGNEE TO SIGN THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF
BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL REGULATION
APPLICATION FOR THE LICENSE TRANSITION
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Item #16Hl -(Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING OCTOBER 2024 AS
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH IN COLLIER
COUNTY. TO BE MAILED TO LINDA OBERHAUS, CHIEF
EXECUTIVE OFFICER, THE SHELTER F ABUSED
WOMEN & CHILDREN
Item # 16H2 - ( Continued from the O •.
PROCLAMATION DESIGN
INF ANT SLEEP MO TH
• 4 , BCC Meeting)
MAILED TO THE FL ~~ F I
COLLIER COUNTY
, BCC Meeting)
AMEND ·. • ~·--IONAL SERVICES
AG • ,,.. ...... ,r .. r ~ ...... -,._. :,"ti~-~,-~ SIONAL SERVICES FOR
SAP ....., __ .L ~li'U. .'' WITH PHOENIX
BU .................. "'~ ...... o E BUSINESS CONSULTING
FOR ~~ T_,_ I SUCCESSFACTORS
WO ... ~ . EDULING FOR EMS 56 AND
BATTAL ,.,~ WELL AS ADDITIONAL TIME AND
FUNDING F .Jlll(~!"S',,_OARD RELATED PORTION OF THE
NEW INTEGRAT SAP TIME AND ATTENDANCE PAYROLL
PLATFORM IN THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF
$392,539.00 (PROJECT NUMBER 50017)
Item #16J2 -(Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
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A $300,000 PARTIAL RELEASE OF FUNDS HELD IN
RETENTION AS PART OF THE MEDIATED SETTLEMENT
AGREEMENT ENTERED INTO BY COLLIER COUNTY,
FLORIDA AND MANHATTAN CONSTRUCTION FLORIDA,
INC., ON JULY 25, 2023, PERTAINING TO THE
CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARADISE CO -ST SPORTS PARK
VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE FO
PURCHASING CARD TRANS
2024
RECORD
COMMISSI
PAYMENT
WH
A
PE s p
136.06
Item #16J5
2024, BCC Meeting)
OF COUNTY
:U:::::.,~111RF4
1 M . ( 0 R OTHER
PA YEE, AND PURPOSE FOR
_ SEMENTS IN THE
D RAWN FOR THE
-EMB _ 12, 2024, AND
ANT TO FLORIDA STATUTE
VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR INVOICES PAY ABLE AND
PURCHASING CARD TRANSACTIONS AS OF OCTOBER 16,
2024
Item #16J6
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October 22, 2024
RECORD IN THE MINUTES OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS, THE CHECK NUMBER (OR OTHER
PAYMENT METHOD), AMOUNT, PAYEE, AND PURPOSE FOR
WHICH THE REFERENCED DISBURSEMENTS IN THE
AMOUNT OF $78,006,748.94 WERE DRA FOR THE
PERIODS BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 26, ij , AND OCTOBER 9,
2024, PURSUANT TO FLORIDA ST A~~ 136.06
Item #1617
TAX COLLECTOR RE E
IN ACCORDANCE WI
FY2025
IS SIONS
(1) FOR
Item #16Kl -( 4 , BCC Meeting)
A FULL ~ US SHARED COURT COSTS
OF :2llP~~~ Q.MI~ E CHAIRMANTO
EX......,_,_, ,.-,...,.... 1we~~ RELEASE TO SETTLE THE
LA . RC TY BOARD OF COUNTY
CO · • .....,,...... AB IL ARIAS PEREZ PENDING IN
THE CO Y CO OF THE TWENTIETH JUDICIAL
CIRCUIT IN · D F O· COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, CASE
NO. 24-SC-166
Item #16K2 -(Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
RESOLUTION 2024-200: TO APPOINT A MEMBER TO THE
BAYSHORE BEAUTIFICATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE -
OSCAR PEREZ, WITH TERM EXPIRING ON MARCH 3, 2029
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Item # 16K3 - ( Continued from the October 8, 2024, BCC Meeting)
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT IN THE LAWSUIT STYLED RITA
GAFFNEY V. COLLIER COUNTY, (CASE NO. 23-CA-1514),
NOW PENDING IN THE CIRCUIT COUR OF THE 20TH
JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND FOR CO L COUNTY,
FLORIDA, FOR THE SUM OF $25,0QlA\U~
RESOLUTION 2024-201 • T LEODAS
A MEMBER TO THE ,
COMMISSION, REP
WITH TERMS
Item #16K5
RES0 ~89~
TH
BO
REAPP
TO THE
BOARD, EA TO .•
OCTOBER 1, 2
Item #16K6
NN
ON DISTRICT 4 -
8
T THREE MEMBERS TO
_ ___.L L PRESERVATION
ANSEN AND
,wsKI AND ZACHARY BURCH
. .. LOGICAL PRESERVATION
REE-YEAR TERM EXPIRING ON
RESOLUTION 2024-203: TO APPOINT LLOYD WIRSHBA TO
THE INFRASTRUCTURE SURTAX CITIZEN OVERSIGHT
COMMITTEE -WITH TERM EXPIRING ON JANUARY 12, 2026
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Item #16K7
RESOLUTION 2024-204: TO APPOINT LISA MCGARITY TO
THE LELY GOLF ESTATES BEAUTIFICATION ADVISORY
COMMITTEE -TO FILL THE REMAIND OF AV ACANT
TERM EXPIRING ON OCTOBER 1, 20
Item # 1 7 A - ( Continued from the O -A, BCC Meeting)
RESOLUTION 2024-205:
AMENDMENTS (APPR P
TRANSFERS, AND S _ -~_,,,, ~~ UE
FISCAL YEAR 2024-2
Item #17B
RESOL TI _. V AC-PL20220008282, TO
D IS -~~:~::~·;,:r -~lfaW..,J A TE THE COUNTY AND
TH .L.L~~-~~.._... IN "-i_-........... ION OF THE PELICAN
BA -___, TRIC -D RAINAGE EASEMENT
(P.B.I. . .), AS .... ~O •. IN OFFICIAL RECORD BOOK
790, PAGL.i ~--"'03, OF , E PUB LIC RECORDS OF COLLIER
COUNTY,F -~~A OCATEDAPPROXIMATELY420FEET
WEST OF THE .L"""Cl'<III;~ ECTI ON OF PELICAN BAY
BOULEY ARD 'GULF PARK DRIVE, IN SECTION 4,
TOWNSHIP 49 SOUTH, RANGE 25 EAST, COLLIER COUNTY,
FLORIDA, AND TO ACCEPT PETITIONER'S GRANT OF
REPLACEMENT DRAINAGE EASEMENTS
Item #17C
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October 22, 2024
RESOLUTION 2024-207: A RESOLUTION RENAMING A
PLATTED STREET FROM EUSTIS A VENUE, BETWEEN S. 1 ST
STREET ANDS. 9TH STREET, TO HOWARD WAY. THE
STREET IS LOCATED IN IMMOKALEE, IN SECTION 4,
TOWNSHIP 47 SOUTH, RANGE 29 EAST OLLIER COUNTY,
FLORIDA (PL20240010038)
Item #17D
ORDINANCE 2024-43; ORD
ORDINANCE OF THE BOARD .
PROPOSING AN AME ~'.ENT T
GROWTH MANAGEME I -~....--.
AMENDED, SPECIFICAL
WATER SUB-. --"""'"'"'"T o -,_,_~
ELEMENT T ~.Ja...LT OLI "'-"l:41!1'Ql9!'"
UPDATED TE
PLAN, l'JH,IY•
ELE ~~r~lii.i:1.1
UNTY
89-05, AS
OTABLE
ITIE S
• CE THE
CILITIES WORK
L IMPROVEMENT
F SERVICE
STA,...,.,.,,.,.
AND
TREAT .LL...{....,_
TRANSMIT
DEPARTME
LE WATER SYSTEMS
ER-WASTEWATER
HERMORE DIRECTING
MENDMENT TO THE FLORIDA
R CE (PL20240000400)
Item #17E
RESOLUTION 2024-208: A RESOLUTION APPROVING
AMENDMENTS (APPROPRIATING CARRYFORWARD,
TRANSFERS AND SUPPLEMENTAL REVENUE) TO THE
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October 22, 2024
FISCAL YEAR 2024-25 ADOPTED BUDGET. (THE BUDGET
AMENDMENTS IN THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION HAVE
BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS VIA SEPARATE EXECUTIVE
SUMMARIES.)
*****
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There being no further business for the good of the County, the
meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 4:41 p.m.
ATTEST
CRYSTALK.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
BOARD OF ZONING A 1
I EAL S/EX
OFFICIO GO VE , ~~mOARD(S) OF
SPECIAL DISTRI "'""".D>.I. • ER ITS CONTROL
---------'
as pre e . ~--....... _ orrected ___ _
TRANSCRIPT PR _ _ E D ON BEHALF OF FORT MYERS
COURT REPORTING BY TERRIL. LEWIS, REGISTERED
PROFESSIONAL COURT REPORTER, FPR-C, AND NOTARY
PUBLIC.
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November 12, 2024
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Naples, Florida, November 12, 2024
LET IT BE REMEMBERED that the Board of County
�
Commissioners, in and for the County of Collier, and also as
Chairy ... �� hris Hall
Rick Locastro
Dan Kowal
William L. McDaniel, Jr. (via phone)
Burt L. Saunders
� ...... ....,. Patterson, County Manager
orge Yilmaz, Public Utilities Administrator
effrey A. Klatzkow, County Attorney
Crystal K. Kinzel, Clerk of the Circuit Court & Comptroller
Troy Miller, Communications & Customer Relations
Page 1
the Board of Zoning Appeals and as the governing b =o. _____
special districts as have been created accord· g
conducted business herein, met on this d
REGULAR SESSION in Buildi
East Naples, Florida, with the ..... ~ ... ....,
Government Complex,
1ng Board members present:
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