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DSAC Minutes 10/29/2024 MINUTES OF THE COLLIER COUNTY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING Naples, Florida, October 29, 2024 LET IT BE REMEMBERED, the Collier County Development Services Advisory Committee Meeting and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on this date at 2PM in REGULAR SESSION at the Collier County Growth Management Community Department Building, Conference Room #609/610, 2800 N. Horseshoe Dr., Naples, Florida, 34102 with the following members present: Chairman: Blair Foley Vice Chairman: Mario Valle Chris Mitchell Also present: Rey Torres Fuentes Anthony Stiltz, Collier County Public Utility Supervisor, Project Manager Drew Cody, Supervisor – Project Manager David Schmidt Any person who decides to appeal a decision of the Development Services Advisory Board will need a record of the proceedings pertaining thereto, and therefore may need to ensure that a verbatim record of the proceedings is made, which record includes the testimony and evidence upon which the appeal is to be based, Neither Collier County nor the Development Services Advisory Board shall be responsible for providing this record. 1. Call to Order ▪ Meeting called to order at 2:00 pm 2. Approval of Agenda ▪ William Varian made motion made to accept agenda ▪ All in favor 3. New Business a. Revision to the Utilities Standard Manual Anthony Stiltz introduced himself and said were prepared to go through all of our strikethrough and underlines for all the items or whatever you guys would like us to do Jared Mayline started with number one, the introduction. Speaker, one asked what prompted you to add that language Mr. Mayline replied we didn’t have any language like that in the manual, it was just to clarify the intent of the manual Mr. Cody added because our county public utilities, part of this review process was looking at other utilities across the state and looking to adopt some of the best practices and we recognize this as a fairly common practice with utilities across the state. We’ve seen many of our plan sheets come in with just the details from our standards inserted in cases where they may or may not be appropriate to the project at hand. Mr. Mitchell so people put extraneous details in there and they don’t apply, or they put details that aren’t county approved in their plans Mr. Mayline, some of the details have information on them that are to be done by the engineer of record and were just making sure it’s understood. Some of the details have charts and tables that it says to be filled by the engineer of record and at the end of the day they’re responsible for anything they put into their plans and were just clarifying that these need to be approved by the engineer of record for each project. Speaker, its not entirely true though because you issue details for lift stations that I have no control over and technically I don’t have to sign and seal those pages. Speaker, the first sentence to me seems fairly straightforward, because we are signing and sealing these things. You require certain details, and we generally put notes on those sheets that say were signing and sealing these, but these aren't required by the utility. The second sentence is where I'm scratching me head a little bit, an example is the lift station details there's all kind of electrical components in there and various of things involved in that. Speaker, we don’t have electrical details in the pump station details Speaker, yet you're making those required Speaker, yes and you'd need an engineer record to design that electrical system Mr. Schmidt we use that sentence that extra language just to make sure the engineer of record is aware of the fact that they are responsible the complete set of plans and they pay attention to different things that may be outside the normal details that the county does provide and if there needs to be some discussion between the county and the engineer to satisfy some of those other design requirements that they do occur and get reconciled Mr. Mitchell I just want to point out that flight makes the panels the way that you guys dictate them. I don’t do anything to the panel, I don’t specify anything that they do on anything that they create when they’re doing a pump station. Also, BSU, which is a local municipality we can’t sign and seal their plans. Their detail sheets we can’t modify them we have to insert them as whole in our plans. I don’t touch any of your details, they come PDF and that’s with the exception now, on the pump station detail we fill in the invert, the inflow the lead pump on and off. Speaker, the electrical is not our expertise at all, I'm not aware of anybody that's getting an electrical engineer to retire the county pump station details or the flight specifications Speaker we’ll spec the pump and the phase of electricity usually through the phase of electricity usually through a shop drawing process with the contractor, but we will spec the pump based on our modeling and we provide a hydraulic model for the guys to verify Speaker, anything that is outside the wet well that runs the pump station we don’t touch or spec. Speaker there's a lot that goes into a pump station detail, there's concrete posts, structural elements and a statement that says were responsible to prevent system failure severe damage to other property or injury to other persons. Speaker you've got a structural engineer that's going to draw or get the details from what needs to happen or get an MEP engineer involved in the electrical right. You're just adding layer upon layer then Speaker, I have never wrong, right or indifferent I've never supplied an electrical engineer sign and sealed sheet that has the control panel for the lift station. Speaker, that's one of the standard details on control panels. There are concrete posts with footers specified dimensions there's all kinds of conduit Mr. Schmidt, the panels and the pumps they tend to typically be vendor driven designs that you do receive, you're delegating those responsibilities over to that vendor for the complete package. If you're designing a site that maybe doesn't protect the public health and safety, there needs to be a red flag in discussions. Mr. Mitchell, I don’t think that a statement like that is fair. We have all been around long enough to know that words matter especially in liability and defensibility. I had this conversation two weeks ago with an attorney on a case and he says if you word it this way then that gives me a lot of lateral room to defend you and if you word it this way it doesn't. That doesn't leave me a lot of room on a pipe that blows because the restraint was bad or something, you can say he didn't do an extra measure and he's liable. I know you're doing it because other municipalities do it and you don’t want the liability, but you leave very little room. I've had this discussion over time with utilities as a subcommittee member probably for 15 years is that you don’t want our input you want our approval because you guys bring stuff forward that's beneficial to Collier County Public Utilities and not necessarily beneficial to the industry or the people that provide the design. We all have to play together, and we have to be here in the same sandbox so I've rarely had input taken back on something like this that would ever get revised. By signing and sealing it you're accepting responsibility. Speaker, talking about design features, it's saying you have to provide all the rest of the features of design that aren't in our standard, our standards are the minimums of what needs to be done there, were trying to point out those other things like for the structural sections, for example there’s not all the rebar not specifically called out or designed in there. We show the bare minimums, and we talk about the minimum requirements that we might have but its based-on size, the footing needs, what your ground is like. You have to design those features we don’t have a case for everything out there in the standard Mr. Mitchell, is Joana at growth management reviewing the structural component if I alter it Speaker probably be them what you provide to them Mr. Mitchell but she's not I'm not licensed to do that as a structure I don’t do structure. So, she's certainly not retiring it if she's straight civil there's no way Speaker if I was somebody who's just in the construction industry say where necessary additional design feature shall be provided period. Then the whole sentence where we have concerns is to prevent system failures, severe damage to other property and serious injuries to other persons and that’s where you're saying well you should have, and we get into the whole issue of shall be provided to prevent system failure Speaker, let us take that language back, we can talk to our attorneys and stuff and see if we can change it a little bit to help with the problem. We did take this information and looked at a lot of other utilities and their cover page and how they started their manuals. They reviewed a lot of it for us and we told them to take a look around to make sure that we weren't doing something off the wall here. Mr. Schmidt, we looked at several different other utilities and the language they put forth. I know about the liability, and we tried to pull some of that extra liability out. Where its necessary so forth that little part of that paragraph could be taken out perhaps Speaker our conversation around this sentence is making me think, a pump station just feels rife for this kind of conversation there's many components to it. I'm looking on detailed WW9D and its very prescribed in some cases. There are structural elements of this whether it's the base of the lift station to prevent floating the various posts that are supporting equipment the stainless-steel cross beams that are also supporting that equipment. There's a lot of electrical components. We do floatation calculations to size the base of the lift station, we run hydraulic models to make sure we've got the right pump and generally the electrical kind of goes part and parcel with the model of the pump you get. Im trying to understand if every civil engineer that going to work on every project in Collier County need to bring on their team and electrical engineer to review the county's detail. Speaker, I did want to point out there are a lot of shills in there. Shall is a legal term that says we must just so everybody understands. We don’t have a lot of room Mr. Stoltz, I think the point here is that these are our minimum requirements. It's not a full electrical design, it is telling you certain things that we want, we see failure a lot but that doesn't mean it could be needed to be more by an electrical design. Those are by far not a full electrical set of plans they're not a full structural set of plans. We're just trying to point out that these standards are minimum they're not full design and we can't for every case out there. Mr. Schmidt, there are some special circumstances that hopefuls the engineer of records made aware of or looking at and so forth that may require some special considerations maybe special structural work. If you've got unusual loadings and so forth that you could anticipate then you may want to bring a structural on board. The structural design of a normal manual those are covered pretty much by the ASTMs that are published, and they're actually referenced in specifications and on the drawings, those are minimum standards. Speaker, maybe a statement to something like that would be the required standards represent a minimum where unusual circumstances may exist, additional design is the responsibility of the engineer of record or something. Mr. Stoltz, they're not all for special conditions, for example in the structures areas it has to be designed by somebody whether that's your pre caster, there's an engineer involved somewhere in developing that regard for those components. Mr. Mitchell, I've been out while they're building it, I have a feeling they're precast on a lot of those pedestals and stuff. That's based on experience over years that they now have an acceptable pedestal that they can use. I do like a little bit more general statement saying these are our minimums and the engineer of record must be aware that additional analysis and design may be required depending on site specifics or something to that effect. Somewhere along the way, somebody for those precasters sealed that at some point and were just saying make sure these things are covered whether you went through a shop drawing process to get those approved, but an engineer had to be involved somewhere somehow there. Proceeded to move onto the next one Mr. Malan, on this page we revised and got rid of the link for the website because it often changes so we just made a general statement, go to Collier County public utilities engineering and project management resource webpage for the latest revisions of these utilities' manual. Mr. Schmidt, a lot of this language is to reflect some of the changed with the FDEP and some of their requirements and so forth about emergency backup power and so forth. Mr. Mitchell, is that a paragraph heading or is that a new sentence? It says all pumps and then it says a community pump station, so is it all pumps or is it a community pump station? Speaker, my understanding is its for all pump stations Mr. English, I halfway interpreted that as in some circumstances just having a connection for a portable generator would provide capability, emergency pumping capability and in certain circumstances I know DEP has required community pump stations require permanent on-site generators. Is that what its saying or do they all need permanent? Speaker, that's the part I was pausing on because I was trying to figure out if that meant quick connects. I believe it's more pertaining to those community pump stations at this point that the emergency, the direct connection needs to be made to a permanent generator onsite or a diesel bypass pump or having two independent sources of power. I think that may need to be by connecting to the community pump station. Mr. Mitchell, when this came online there was a lot of confusion and from developers there's a lot of pushbacks because of the cost. So, lets just make sure were really clear. Speaker, who's your first line of defense in the review? Is it growth management at the PPL or SDP level as to whether or not they would say, this one need power, backup power? Mr. Schmidt there probably needs to be some cleanup of that language to reflect the fact the community pump stations and those that are receiving type of things, to make sure were still in accordance with the FDEP requirements. Speaker, I just want to make sure that whoever reviews it at growth management says because there was a lot of pushbacks from the developers as far as cost, but I'm off the record here I see why we do it. Mr. English, it seems like is it as simple as there are some stations that require permanent on location generators and some just simply need to have quick connects for portable generators, is that correct? Mr. Stoltz, I would say yes that's correct Mr. English, these require constant power and if there's any cases like small rest shelter gold course rest shelter, grinder stations that don’t require them, it'd be nice to have that as a point too. Mr. Schmidt, this is a new section basically dealing with private pump stations that was proposed also a deviation that you still have to go through a deviation process for a private, but it sets some standards for those private pump stations Mr. Stoltz, yes, we created a new section. We get requests for private grinder stations and so this is setting forth what we expect a private grinder station to be because there were no standard one it at all. So, we kind of defined that and I believe there's a couple drawings in there too Mr. Mitchell, from your experience it's nothing but a grinder, right? Because even if I'm an SDP where I'm a commercial parcel I'm going to want you take the lift station because I don’t want to own and maintain it over the life of the project, right? Speaker, most of these we've been getting has been like a single commercial facility wanting a grinder station so that it'll still be by deviation, but we wanted to set some ground rules for it when you did request the deviation. Mr. English, the paragraph that starts with except in the case, taking the peak hour factor and dividing it by a factor of 0.7, is that a new policy on your part for private stations? Speaker, this entire section is new, this is a completely new writing. We didn't have anything on this prior to this Mr. English selected must be within, it’s a new section its operating point must be within 10% of its max efficiency point. Out of curiosity where'd that come from? Have you encountered some issue that yielded this thought? Speaker, yeah, this entire section started before my time here. We had a consultant develop this entire standard and all this language for us over two years ago so we're just not getting around to getting it into the book Mr. Schmidt, a lot of these parameters and so forth you'll see some footnotes at the bottom of the page referencing the water pollution control federation a document they publish in 86. There's a civil and ASCE document from 69 that also quoted and used as criteria for the specification Mr. Mitchell, the peak hour flow already includes a factor of safety, a multiplier, and then you're diving by 0.7 so you're adding another multiplier and what I've found over the course of my career is that grinder stations depending on the connection conditions don’t always operate within their efficiencies Speaker, I want to say a couple of times where you're picking a pump for a really small flow user you have a really hard time finding a curve that you're going to get an operating point real close to the max efficiency point Speaker, that feels pretty restrictive to me you already have very limited choice of pumps Mr. Stoltz, yeah, well take it back and talk to everybody and see what we can come up with. Like I said it’s all new, it hasn't been out and were going to hear things along the way and then make changes and correct it. Mr. Schmidt, some language that was supplied to us from another consultant that had brought a couple years ago and there's a lot of criteria there. Personally, id like to see it a little more simplified but at this point it was from another consultant Speaker, my input is that if it’s private, kind of user slash buyer beware. I mean most everybody has a maintenance contract with one of these guys here because no one deals with a pump station, I believe JNN is one and there's a number of them that do the maintenance. Mr. Mitchell, john stated that there's a lot to digest especially with the reserve, id have to math some stuff out. I think we should look at the sentence that says new private pumping stations shall be enclosed with a fence or otherwise designed with appropriate features to prohibit the entry of animals and unauthorized persons especially as it relates to singe family homes. Some may or may not have a fence but I'm sure that people don’t want to put a fence in the middle of their yard. Mr. Stoltz, this isn't intended for single family homes, we're actually going to work on another standard for that which will be a deviation to the deviation Mr. English, I was thinking at these guardhouses the entrance to these gated communities very low flow situation you're going to use a grinder. It’s probably a private, you don’t want to own it. Grey oaks do not want a chain link fence around the small pump station outside their guardhouse and a golf course rest shelter is another. Speaker, I think there is an out for that fence as far as appropriate features that get you around animals and unauthorized entry. So, there is an out for that without having to put a fence around all private pump stations. Mr. Cody, when these come in for review what we see for places where the fence is inappropriate, it’s a lockable lid, and it comes in packaged with the original deviation. You'll see a lockable lid and that other appropriate features gives us some flexibility on what were going to be able to approve on the deviation. Just because we prefer a fence, and we approve a lot of lockable lids we don’t want to tie ourselves into a situation where now its fence or lockable lid. Mr. English, does this allow you to do a lockable lid without having to de a deviation Mr. Cody, you have to have a deviation to put this in. As long as you're displaying that lockable lid on there, were giving ourselves the review flexibility to approve that lockable lid with this Speaker, would you have to state lockable lid as one of the deviation criteria that you're asking for Mr. Cody, typically we see grinder pump station with lockable lid as like Speaker, on the maintenance after design and accepted, is that something you guys' catalog? Do you have a list? How do you know someone has a valid maintenance contract? Mr. Cody, I'm not sure what is one. What comes back is the main point of contact and contact information. This was addition of division 40, process interconnections. 7. Project record document: Mr. Mitchell, what are you asking for on a meter box location? Survey shot on it that says meter box. Mr. Stoltz, in many instances there were no signs. Steve, for location purposes, Locators did not know where the meters were in many instances. If they had a frame of reference as to where to find them and also for electrical conduits. Utility is requiring locating by statue. Chris Mitchell, is it that you are having difficulty with older subdivisions? Things that I have been designing for the past years is based on property lines. Few occasions on wide lots, lateral went in the middle for designing purposes. Speaker, it is mostly older neighborhoods. Speaker is asking just or a reference to find a meter and other utilities easier John English, this applies to any commercial project with SDP. Speaker, it applies to everything Chris Mitchell, if a meter is not in place there is no inspection where they'll pass. The meter Box has to be in place with the WIP. If not, the preliminary nor final inspection get accepted. What defines meeting that-criteria? Speaker, if you go to paragraph four, up near the top it's gonna tell you that it needs to be delivered in anAutoCAd format, which again basically coordinates and so forth on those meter boxes Speaker, so you want us to survey every single meter box in a single-family division when we do our record drawings. Speaker, yeah that's the way is set up and its along with other things lik your manholes are gonna be surveyed in. The list underneath item six is all those things that need to be picked up on a survey hit. Speaker, were surveying certain things like manholes for other reasons. We got to check the inverts and there's not a lot of them, they're every 400 feet or so. Mr. Mitchell, if you're getting it in state plane coordinates, we get a comment back saying they're not in state plane coordinates and it shows a meter box symbol. Wouldn't that be enough if you're trying to be able to go locate it? Speaker, the record drawing should show the actual location of the meter box. They're shown on the design and permit drawing Speaker, you may be a foot off and you don’t want me to cross that out and put a box there, because then you're not going to be able to read the printout of the drawing. If I'm a foot of where it was I don’t touch it. Speaker, i mostly run the locates department and this is why I'm struggling because our folks out there are trying to find these things and they can't find the box. Speaker, that should be a little different now because we also had below ground back flow preventers, now everything is an above ground. If we're creating a spec for going forward and not solving in reverse, how much do we need it? Speaker, what we want is to see where they are on the plan so that when our locators are going out there, they're seeing what they should. Mr. John, we take pride in our drawings. So, it's not about trying to not do the right thing, we do a 200-lot subdivision, are we surveying every single meter box that usually end up within a foot or so of where we show them? Speaker, it's really critical to get those assets lined up so it’s a big moving forward for many reason. The more accurate we get the better we are. My guys are making a lot of changes to GIS in the field, they put meters in, they do installs so they're making the corrections in the field, but it adds additional work to them. Mr. Mitchell, you get a contributory asset list. So that’s another check, do they have the meter boxes? The first step is they look at the record drawings and the contributory assists and verification of final costs. If those aren't 100% from inspections, they don’t move forward Speaker, the spirit of this was that those should be on the record drawings, and we've got some cases where they weren't and were trying to clear that up so we can locate this stuff later and same with the electrical conduits coming off of your pump stations. Mr. English, the direct buried conduits, hand holes, junction boxes, and vaults for buried electric communications cable should be depicted from source to county asset found and associated right away. So go ahead. I was just curious with the scope of this. Chris Mitchell, for the record. We don't spec that; we don't design that. I think it's unfair to have us do that John English, I just, I wanted to start with making sure I understood what this is relating to. So, let's say it's a single-family subdivision. We've got a 10-foot PUE running on both sides of the right-of-way. And there's gonna be the power company, for instance, does their design. And you've got three two-inch conduits here. And then it's gonna jump over across the street. And it's gonna go into a piece of equipment. And there's gonna be a four-inch conduit over here. And then it's, is this saying we need to survey all of that? Speaker, and so that's the exact problem that we're having is that's not shown anywhere. And we have to locate that as well as our duty. Mr. Schmidt, for the record. I think the location of the direct buried conduits, those type of things are more related to wastewater pump stations and so we know where the power is coming from whether it's coming from this transformer or this pole location just so it could be traced back a little bit easier. Steve, were responsible to locate from the can on the back of the lift station to the handhold, wherever FPNL stops locating which it could be a pole, transformer it could be a handhold. Mr. Mitchell, don’t we do dedicated transformer on all the new stuff? For the lift stations? I don’t mind but you should know where it goes because these are getting dedicated power transformers for these lift stations Mr. Valle, we have a conversation, everybody here is good and three years down the road we have a new person that says no you need everything, you need to show me everything Speaker, that’s what I want to make sure we are signing off on that or were saying no lets add this little caveat that that’s what we're talking about. Mr. Schmidt, that’s why we put the word county assets Speaker, its just for the portion that we're maintaining, were not talking about FPL or their equipment. Speaker, we want to get a more heavy-duty plastic box with a non-float lid that we have a lot of damage on our construction sites. The main reason to go to this box were going to be installing an AMI system that’s going to require a stouter housing to protect the asset because its quite a more significant cost for the AMI technology, you can't have the box lids floating so its better with a non-float lid to alleviate the hazards for our customer. It's a bit of a cost increase to the cost of installation to the developer. Speaker, do you know the difference in cost Speaker, about $100 for a regular box and $110 for a jumbo box. Mr. Valle, I don’t want to undersell them and then say yeah fine and then have them come back and a year from now it be $200. Speaker, if you're putting something on the PPL plans or the site development plan that protects the meter during vertical construction and we've already done final acceptance of utilities. So always think of your remedy, just because its gonna be on my plans doesn't mean I'm gonna have control of it Mr. English, is this predominantly an issue in new single family subdivisions Speaker, yeah, its gonna be AMI all over. It has to be protected, there's a lot of wires going on, wires getting run over, getting cut its just a big expense which is going to pas along to the customer developer and increase the fees overall. Speaker, the box for this extra $100 it's one of these big trucks can drive over it and wont break Speaker, it's not traffic rated you can't put it in the road Mr. English, I was just curious, are we spending $100 and 80% of them still gonna break Speaker, no it’s a very low percentage, I'm confident this box is gonna suffice our needs Mr. English, then the construction fencing around, I'm standing on a new subdivision street with lots on both sides and seeing fencing just marching down the street Speaker, that's temporary Speaker, the county's about to make a huge investment we're probably gonna invest bout six million on these boxes ourselves when we change the system out Mr. English, the construction fencing, ow long is that stuff gonna last? You get a 200-lot subdivision its gonna take a while for those things to sell out and build in years. Are these things gonna be required to be maintained Speaker, our utility code enforcement requested this because they find that when silt fences are placed around meter boxes, they're getting fewer illegal connections, people stealing water from next door and less damage. I don’t imagine theres gonna be much of an enforcement but they're trying to get people to comply and once the sold goes down they can be removed Speaker, they're trying to get these houses one as quick as they can so I dont think its going to be a long-term fixture Mr. English, I tracked our home building and lot supply in ave Maria, and we often are 18 months to three years to build. Moved to item 9, diesel backup pump Jared, we added sections 1.1B, 2.5A and 2.5B Mr. Schmidt, its only for those that we do need to have these platforms, its not gonna be every pump station in the county. We're gonna see them more to coastal facilities where the FEMA elevations have jumped up a bit Mr. Valle, the physical impact depends on the elevation and complexity. Speaker, the references, the asce 7 and 24 they basically talk about the criteria as far as designing for the flood loads and surges. The 24 talks about what classification your facility may be and whether or not that panel needs to be on foot above the FEMA Mr. Schmidt, those paragraphs are talking more about the construction whether it's stainless steel and aluminum Speaker, when you go in for your building permit your electrical permit on a pump station, you're gonna have to comply with requirements Speaker, you can say it's always been a requirement you have to meet the electric code Speaker, this is a case where you got a lift station whose top is 3 / 4 ft above Mr. Mitchell, ours was for ritz Carlton residences at gulf shore dr, the grade is 4 and the fema is a 12, so how do you protect the electrical components. Speaker, we have a water proof lid and all our electrical components are on an aluminum with a foundation platform Mr. Schmidt were seeing more and more of them that are gonna be needed. Whether we had a detail on the platform, its pretty much vendor driven. There are some considerations as far as the national electric code Moves item 10, standby diesel generators Jared, some of the errors were corrected in the final version already. Mr. English, what's precipitating this Mr. Cody, this was a request of the utility review team, they suggested a decreased tolerance because theres no longer a preliminary acceptance. Mr. Mitchell, if theres a problem with gravity main from the get-go and you don’t have a lot of settling over time its an issue with installation. Im not for reducing, you know when you put it if you got a problem. Mr. English, I agree with Chris, I struggle with the idea that an inch is much different than an inch and a half. Mr. Stoltz, they were having trouble getting to one and a half and that’s why they were wanting to get to the one to make sure they were getting closer Mr. Mitchell, are we creating a standard that creates more work, is there a problem associated with the inch and a half? Mr. English, the lord you get it you're gonna encounter it more often that it'll multiple places in the subdivision roads Speaker, we’ll take it back to him and discuss it some more Jared Maylin, moving to item 13, excavation earth and rock. Revised section 1.4, site condition c.2 and c.3 inserted new sunshine 811 website. Changed language regarding utility conflicts. Removed pager number and provided emergency number. Item 14, high density polyethylene hope pipe and fittings. Revised section 2.1a, eliminating pe3408 and added pe4710. Removed cell classification 345434c and 345434e and added cell classification 445574c and. 445578. It will be revised at a later date to make sure it is done correctly. Item 15, pump stations. Added language to 1.1 scope of work for county pump stations, added language to 1.14a. This section includes county owned and operated pump stations. Item F added language and gates. Item G and H are new editions. Mr. English, this communication is proposing fiber optic connectivity at pump stations, a letter of availability shall be requested to the county for review and approval. Speaker, the county has fiber optics available, instead of using an antenna you can use fiber optics to connect to their system Mr. English, its not a requirement, its just giving an option Mr. Stolz, we've added some specification and details for fiber optic connection later on here Mr. English, so in all cases the developer is paying for this Speaker, correct Line H is the platform language Mr. English, are you implying it needs to have railing guide rails to pull the pumps out with? Mr. Mitchell, you can't go in the wet well to do any maintenance, everything has to be done outside the wet wall Mr. Schmidt, there is a detailed WW7D that shows some things about that, without reading the OSHa you may have to get a confined space permit Mr. English, it sounds more like if you're responsible for maintaining this you're a contractor that provides maintenance services from lift stations you might need an OSHA confined permit Mr. Schmidt, I didn’t read the OSHA requirements Mr. Mitchell, if were doing specifications for private life stations it's under the grinder heading. Do we need item B as a spec? You're not concerned with the maintenance its private. Mr. English, it's always a possibility there might be a needed maintenance activity inside the station Mr. Mainline, revised section 2.1J added language two‐watt digital radio, added pump controller type to be utilized Mr. Schmidt, its just cleanup Mr. Mainline, parts R and S are platform language Mr. Mitchell, where did these specifications come from? Do we know we have a commercially available grinder station that we can utilize that'll meet these specifications? Mr. Schmidt, this is something from another consultant we didn't do a lot of detailed review in comparing it Mr. Stoltz, we hired a consultant to do his fully and they've spent time and effort on this Speaker, as this gets utilized more we're gonna find the issues and try to clean it up more Mr. English, how long ago was this work done by the prior consultant Speaker, two years ago Mr. Schmidt, theres a detail in the back that was supplied by the other consultant Mr. Mitchell, you may be able to remove the NEMA 4X enclosure, NEMA6P if you have it on the approved product list Mr. Schmidt, as we were talking I did write down the thought we might want specify three or four different manufacturers or models Mr. English, if you're designing a new project theres a lift station near an entrance and they would like the idea of not having an antenna we reach pout to you, at that point somebody's gotta design a fiber connection from the station to your closest facility Speaker, yes Mr. Mitchell, a junction wherever that is but its gotta be a port Mr. Mainline, item 24 cover page, this was a webpage got rid of the link and made a general statement Mr. Mitchell, what's the benefit on these sites, because we have two sources of communication Speaker, I don’t want to say in all cases there'll be no antenna because sometimes we do have cellular available Mr. Mainline, item 25 modified table of contents to reflect changes and correct scriveners' errors. This was just details we revised we have a new date as January 2025 Item 26 title block was changed on a bunch of details that didn't have a title block and collier county's logo was added Item 27 detail G10 pipe restraint schedule, the detail was modified to include additional and restrained pipe length tables for vertical bends Mr. Schmidt, that was something not on the original restraint joint tables was the vertical bends, so it was something that needed to be added Item 28, detail G12, IT, fiber optic telecommunications Speaker, that's roughly the $15,000 is this new panel and you got a handhold for the fiber Mr. Mitchell this is what you use on the capital improvement project Item 29, detail W1, temporary blow‐off assembly of bacterial sample point detail Item 30, w2 Item 31, w3, fire hydrant detail, replace fire hydrant connection point range, minimum 18 inches, maximum 24 inches with note height of hydrant was set based upon manufacturers recommendations Item 32, added distance from EOP slash curb to fire hydrant based on rural or urban area Mr. Mitchell, in a single-family subdivision your urban minimum four feet from curb to your hydrant is in conflict with your seven six minimum to your valve pad Mr. English, the two foot minimum radius, the sidewalk had to be two feet off that? Speaker, you gotta have a clear zone round there that they can get around that hydrant. Mr. Mainline, item 33 permanent brass models added to approve product list, stainless steel models removed. There was a model added to the approved product list Mr. Schmidt, this came from the water side, they were having issues with the stainless- steel devices, and they wanted to switch back to brass Mr. English, we've had experience where theres a high incidence rate of failing back tees with stainless steel fittings, bacteria seem to cling to it or its growth is promoted Speaker, that’s fine, I'm saying you have a coupling with stainless-steel insert Mr. English, is that gonna cause a back tee problem Mr. Schmidt, we can look at and discuss with the water department. Those stainless-steel inserts in the polyethylene pipe, if they come in a variety of types of materials because brass may be a little too soft to use for that insert Speaker, well talk to them again, were cleaning up the rest of this Mr. Mainline item 34, detailed W-12, typical short and long side water service meter setting detail for connection to water main, temporary construction fence, graphic added around meter boxes with no reference seen, note 8 on detail W-12A, revised meter calls out to AMI slash AMR meter Mr. Mitchell, we don’t have the new box that were going to provide for Jesse in there? Mr. English, shows the temporary construction fence, the CO or installation of sod Mr. Mitchell, these come in pairs, Mr. English, I think its going to be a maintenance thing, theres work we do, and we get it to look right at the day of inspection and then you're signed off Speaker, it becomes a vertical construction inspection not the site Mr. Schmidt, there needs to be modification of that fencing at some point Mr. Mainline, item 36, W-13, three inch and over potable water meter assembly detail, added note number nine to equipment specification including maintenance access in county CUE or right of way Mr. Mitchell, wasn't that part of the requirement? Mr. Schmidt, it was but it's just making sure its plainly put out there Proceeded to talk about scheduling the next meeting and stopped with today's meeting 4. Old Business NONE 5. Public Speakers NONE 6. Adjourn The meeting was adjourned y the order of the chairman at 4:23pm Next meeting will be on Monday, November 18th at 2pm Chairman Blair Foley The Minutes were approved by____________________________________ Chairman Blair Foley as presented___________________ or amended____________________