CSRM Minutes 11/08/2024 Revised November 8, 2023 Minutes
COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL STORM RISK MANAGEMENT FEASIBILITY STUDY
ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 8,2023 -- REVISED
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, the Collier County Coastal Storm Risk Management Feasibility
Study Advisory Committee in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein,
met on this date at 2:30 PM in REGULAR SESSION at the Growth Management Community
Development Department Building (GMCDD), 2800 N. Horseshoe Drive, Naples, FL.
MEMBERS:
Scott Schultz, Chairman
Joe Schmitt, Vice Chairman
Joshua Maxwell
Matthew Nolton
Miles Scofield (Rocky)
Kenneth Humiston
Alex Garland (excused)
OTHER MEMBERS:
Christopher Mason
Howard Critchfield
William Lang
1. Roll Call
2. Approval of previous meeting minutes from July 26,2023
• Scott Schultz: Motion made to approve the minutes as written.
• Matthew Nolton: Seconds the motion.Approved unanimously.
3. Open discussion regarding the status of the CSRM Feasibility Study
• Chris Mason: Slide show presented.
• When we last met in July, we had six planning areas that were being looked at as
primary study areas for providing a more resilient coastline. Those areas of study
have been reduced down to four areas because some of the proposed projects within
the Marco Island jurisdiction have been removed from the study and it had to do with
funding in the Coastal Barrier Resource Systems.And that is a product identified by
the US Fish and Wildlife Service, that's also applied to FEMA Flood Insurance Rate
Maps. Typically, with Coastal Barrier Resource Systems, when flood insurance is
involved,these areas are delineated on the Flood Insurance Rate Maps because of the
ever-changing shape of barrier islands.And so,the federal government dating back to
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1983 decided to establish these areas and say we will no longer offer flood insurance
for these properties located in these areas that are built after 1983. With that being
said, the same applies to the use of federal dollars for projects such as this in these
areas, so this is one of the reasons you have a reduction in planning areas. Marco
Island still has a small portion of beach that's going to be looked at for re-nourishment
in the Tiger Tail area, but there were other potential CSRM associated measures
located in these Coastal Barrier Resource System areas and therefore funding is not
available in these areas. So that is why we are down to four planning areas—the
North County beaches; Marco Island is still in there, but again it is the one planning
area of Tiger Tail; the Naples planning area; and the Goodlette planning area.
• When we first talked about the analysis of scope,there were structural measures
incorporated into the study.After the planning charettes that occurred in April, it was
evident that participating charette attendees preferred structural measures be removed
from the study. The Army Corps removed those and now we're looking more at these
nature-based solutions being vegetated dunes, beach re-nourishment and the potential
mangrove restoration. That is what the Corps is actively pursuing. One of the best
ways for the public and the committee to stay in tune with developing news or
developing our potential changes in the process or in this study is to join what we call
the recurring monthly call every fourth Wednesday of the month, and it occurs
between 3:30 and 4:30 in the afternoon, and I've got the information here for the
public and the community. It's a virtual setting that's going to be through something
like Zoom.
• Joe Schmitt: Staff to send a reminder to members and the public a week prior to the
upcoming meeting.
• Chris Mason: The TSP(Tentatively Selected Plan) has been pushed back to mid-
June of 2024 to release the TSP briefing the County Commissioners. In July 2024,
will be the Milestone (USACE) meeting and then we look at the public release of the
draft report tentatively selected for September 2024. Between July and September,
this Committee will be reviewing the TSP.
• So what's very important here is when we receive the Tentatively Selected Plan,that's
when this committee comes into its own and has a lot of details to focus on, that's
going to be the primary focus of this committee—to review that documentation to see
if it makes sense, and then report back to Collier County leadership on the findings
and any particular details that really should be pointed out that may cause concern or
favor. That is how this scenario is going to work.
• Chris Mason: Staff and I will take recommendations from the Committee, create a
presentation or any documentation based on input from the Committee. Staff will act
as the gatekeepers to the Board of County Commissioners.
• When February 2025 rolls around, we have an agency decision. That's when the
agency is going to decide if this report will still stand based on input back from the
community and this committee. In May 2025, you would have the final report
released. If we make it to that point,you'll be looking at August 2025 where the final
report would be signed.
• Joe Schmitt: It goes to the office of the ASCW,Assistant Secretary Civil Works.
Then it is put into the program and eventually we'll go into a bill for authorization
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into Congress. But that's just for the authorization of the project.And then it has to go
all the way back again for appropriations.
• Just to clarify, it goes then into what is called the Water Resources Development Act
(WRDA).And WRDA is every two years. Once it's authorized then it competes for
appropriations and it could be in two or three years later, before monies are
appropriated.At any given time, there are probably at least 800 projects on the
authorization list that have yet to be appropriated. If there's a real push in the County
to get this done,then you really need the Board of County Commissioners to start
pushing their Congressmen and their Senators to get this out of the appropriations
bill. In Florida, it's going to compete against all the other big money things, for
example the Everglades Restoration. So, it depends on the political support to get the
project funded. That's a major hurdle.
• Chris Mason: When we receive the Tentatively Selected Plan from the Army Corps,
we will then distribute it to the community and at that point in time we will start
scheduling more frequent meetings to review this documentation. I don't know how
large the report will be but based on the original report being 1600-1700 hundred
pages, it potentially could be that long. We will need multiple meetings and a strategy
on how to work through that, but we have time because this is going to be occurring
tentatively in the third quarter of next year. They give us about a 60-day review
period that can potentially be extended.
• The Tentatively Selected Plan is going to be all modeling—variables from
socioeconomic information to actual physical scientific information based on coastal
morphology, structure inventory at that time.
• Joe Schmitt: Beach access is technically public; there must be accommodations
made to get to the beach.
• Chris Mason: Lastly as we move through this process,there have been areas that the
Corps have been studying that are inland and they are called Environmental Justice
areas. The Justice 40 is a whole government initiative that 40% of all overall benefits
flow to marginalized, disadvantaged, and overburdened populations. This information
is gathered using the Army Corps software. They are taking into consideration,
Census data and numerous other data points to come up with these areas, and so they
delineated within Collier County what they call two environmental justice areas,
• At the airport, some of this boundary is within the City of Naples—south of the
airport called Holiday Estates or Holiday Harbor; east is Flamingo Estates; and then
further southward into the Bayshore area. The Village of Goodland is also considered
an environmental justice area, and it's based again off census data and numerous other
data points that take into consideration the socioeconomic landscape. What is being
proposed for these areas is anything from repairing failing sea walls to elevations on
existing structures that are in the very low areas.A lot of this construction is older. It
sits low and with current storm surge and rainfall some of these areas are often
challenged with local drainage problems. What seems to be the overriding idea of
what type of mitigation could take place seems to be the wholesale elevation of these
structures.
• Mr. Lang, some of these areas challenged are with local drainage problems and
elevation of structures. The question to you is with wholesale elevation of homes in
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this defined area—what process or vehicle would the Corps do—possibly some type
of hazard mitigation assistance, flood mitigation assistance?
• William Lang: If it is specific to FEMA's Hazard Mitigation Assistance it could be
an option. Generally, when you look at grants, they're categorized as either an
income-based grant or a grant based off benefit cost analysis. FEMA is strictly BCA,
Benefit Cost Analysis, and their entire HMA program is based off that or their Hazard
Mitigation Assistance program. Those grants include disaster grants under your
HMA,that's hazard mitigation grant program that's disaster specific. If we have a
hurricane tomorrow, they'll do a 30-day estimate based off damages we report and
then they will allocate a certain amount of money.An example, HMGP(Hazard
Mitigation Grant Program) for Hurricane Ian was roughly $36 million for Collier
County and we've used all that money for public assistance mitigation and one
residential project. There are other annual grants that are non-disaster. They are
competitive nationally and that includes building resilient infrastructure in
communities or FEMA's BRIC Grant, a newer grant that's popular right now. They're
allocating a lot of money for that specifically for infrastructure in communities.And
then the final one is the Flood Mitigation Assistance program, or FMA, and this one
is specific to Repetitive Loss Properties, which is a category under FEMA National
Flood Insurance Program when you put in so many claims you get put on a list. So
that one is the most advantageous at the individual property owner level because it
provides a better cost match with the federal government versus those other ones that
I just mentioned which are historically at a 75% federal cost share and a 25% local
cost share. They would probably look at FEMA grant opportunities,the income-based
grants are generally out of U.S. Housing and Urban Development(US HUD), which
comes down through the Florida Department of Economic Opportunity (Florida
DEO), and then ultimately gets distributed locally in different ways. One example is
our Community and Human Services Division within our Public Services
Department. They historically help manage those funds in some capacity, but again
that gets a little limited because of the annual median income percentage associated
with those grants. Generally, it's around 80%Annual Median Income(AMI) for the
jurisdiction, or sometimes at 120%. To give you an example of that, we have monies
coming down from the federal government generally after a disaster, long after the
FEMA monies, and that is Community Development Block grants, or CDBG funding
in different categories. The HMGP monies for Ian, for example, are tapped out.Not
only are they tapped out in Collier County, but the deadline for submitting those
projects has lapsed for that disaster grant. So, anyone that comes forward to us, for
example on a daily basis and asks for FEMA assistance we try to prepare them for
one of those annual non-disaster grants.
• Joe Schmitt:Any project that the Corps looks at is a benefit cost ratio, or the other
way around, cost benefit ratio. The project must be justified based on the properties
protected.A study is going to recommend measures to prevent future damage, and
they may cite FEMA, but typically FEMA is a separate entity and have their own
programs so that that if they're looking at these areas,they're going to come up with
whatever engineering designs they think that they need and that again gets into
economic justification for the project. But second, then, is the cost benefit or the
pressure of the non-federal sponsor which in this case is Collier County and how
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much more they can take. That is based on the call for all costs.All those other types
of programs are always available. FEMA manages the federal response plan. The
Corps is one entity under engineering.
• The environmental justice piece is more specifically geared towards preventing the
Corps from ruling this area out because it may not meet the cost benefit ratio.
Basically, it says we must consider there are very expensive areas in the county that
are going to be protected.And you can't say we're not going to protect other areas
because they don't meet the cost benefit ratio. It's just a mechanism to make sure you
don't write these areas off.
• William Lang: You basically have a layer of BCA on the front end from the US
Army Corps of Engineers that can complicate or help things. The way it can help
things is that if it passes muster at this level, you may have a better argument with
FEMA and those other programs because they do BCA. But they are different on how
they analyze where the BCA can lock things down. There are a lot of layers to get to
that final okay.
• Further discussion regarding:
• What is the baseline elevation change for each individual property level?Every
structure is different. Every homeowner's situation is different. Elevation of
existing homes is cost prohibited.
• Engineering challenges
• FEMA does default property acquisition and that property goes into green space
in perpetuity
• Property acquisition is each individual homeowner who can make an individual
decision at any given point in time and can convolute the process
• May be better off selling your home/property on the private market and make a
profit
• Eminent domain; easement agreements for access and right of ways; contributions
in kind; cost contribution
• How long ago were these geographic areas identified?Post Ian.
• It is mandated by that directive from the ASACW,Assistant Secretary of the
Army Civil Works. What the court is going to say is to protect your infrastructure,
raise your transformers and sewer treatment plants, homeowners below FEMA
find a way to raise your home.
• They are not going to raise our roads. They'll just tell us it's a good idea to make
them barriers for storm surge. The study will say these are other really good ideas.
And then it depends when we get down to the solution and it becomes a political
decision whether they're non-structural alternatives or if you want to even include
structural alternatives,
• There are grant opportunities on a community scale, but grants can take up to 3-5
years
• FEMA's mitigation grant program for Hurricane Ian was tapped out at $36 million
and that was a 30-day estimate. They recently did the 12-month lock-in and they
increased it by $10 million.
• Everglades City is not part of this study
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• Basic principles such as beach nourishment and non-structural measures, critical
infrastructure, and nature-based solutions. That's the Corps focus.
• The committee can recommend to the Board to look at other solutions that the
public may want
• The Corps is interested in growing their program and they operate it with OPM—
Other People's Money through non-federal sponsors or congressional authorized
projects
• The debate between using invasive/non-native types of vegetation that held up
better than other (native) vegetation regarding erosion. Example: sea grape hedges
• Flood gates, structures for shore-wall and erosion control are no longer on the
table
• Open again the discussion for more aggressive solutions—hardening/shore
protection systems. Have the Corps give us recommendations of federal vs.
state/county funds, grants, etc.
• Front-end costs, maintenance, back-end costs after a disaster and who's footing
the bill
■ Highlights from public comments:
• Greg Janiec, Sovereign Consulting: Crafted nature-based concepts that were
submitted by the Environmental Defense Fund. Would like to volunteer at a future
meeting to give a brief presentation on Clam Pass.
• Kathy, Conservancy of SW FL: Regarding the annual maintenance on beach re-
nourishment and the dunes, it likely will be no more than what we're already
spending right now because the County does conduct beach nourishment and
dune restoration. It probably would be a wash as far as what is currently spent.
The Corps would help pay for the initial design of it. Question: Is there a
mechanism in place so that the different groups know what each other is doing? It
could perhaps save some time and resources. I'm referring to the vulnerability
study that the County does for the State. Is there any overlap with the Corps with
that study, and where the County is in the process of performing the vulnerability
study and exactly what it would entail, would it help the Corps or is this totally
separate?Is there any place for a crossover? One last question, if the Corps has as
a part of its plan, recommending homes be elevated—if they come back with that
in the study and the County decides that this is not feasible would kicking out one
element of the plan trigger us to have to do a locally preferred plan to be able to
take any other parts of the plan under consideration? Or can you pick out one part
of their draft of what's feasible and do something else?
• Scott Schultz: What is the budget for the sand?
• Andy Miller, Coastal Zone Management: We lose about 50,000 yards of sand
per year; equates to approximately $3-4M/year.
• Judith Hushon,League of Women Voters: Suggests to the committee to drive
around the red areas on this map (speaking of Environmental Justice Areas
delineated by USACE). What you're going to find is that it's not all houses. There
are a lot of trailers/mobile homes and therefore,you have some potential for
moving them to another location and raising them up, and that is something you
should consider. There are several communities within this yellow region where it
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would make sense. You may want to offer to move the whole community because
these people are used to living together and they want their friends around them.
The County does own some land. Move them to another place that is high and
dry.
• Scott Schultz: Judy, would you mind putting pen to paper and outline the areas
that you have the biggest concern with?
• Natalie Hardman. City of Naples: I am the Natural Resources (manager) at the
City of Naples, and I just wanted to say that the vulnerability assessment with the
City of Naples has completed their vulnerability assessment. It's on our website if
you want to look at what one looks like and what Collier County will be working
towards.
■ Next date for the Army Corps recurring monthly meeting: Wednesday,November 22,
at 3:30
There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was
adjourned at 3:45 p.m. by order of the Chairman.
Approv colt Schultz, Chairman
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