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TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Naples, Florida, July 23, 2024
CRA WORKSHOP
LET IT BE REMEMBERED that the Board of County
Commissioners, in and for the County of Collier, and also acting as
the Board of Zoning Appeals and as the governing board(s) of such
special districts as have been created according to law and having
conducted business herein, met on this date at 9:00 a.m., in SPECIAL
SESSION in Building "F" of the Government Complex, East Naples,
Florida, with the following Board members present:
Chairman: Chris Hall
Rick LoCastro
Dan Kowal
William L. McDaniel, Jr.
Burt L. Saunders
ALSO PRESENT:
Amy Patterson, County Manager
Ed Finn, Deputy County Manager
Jeffrey A. Klatzkow, County Attorney
Crystal K. Kinzel, Clerk
Troy Miller, Communications & Customer Relations
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COLLIER COUNTY
Board of County Commissioners
JOINT WORKSHOP AGENDA
COLLIER COUNTY COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND
LOCAL REDEVELOPMENT ADVISORY BOARDS
Board of County Commission Chambers
Collier County Government Center
3299 Tamiami Trail East, 3rd Floor
Naples, FL 34112
July 23, 2024
9:00AM
Commissioner Chris Hall, District 2; -
Chair Commissioner Burt Saunders,
District 3; - Vice Chair Commissioner
Rick Locastro, District 1 Commissioner
Dan Kowal, District 4; - CRAB Co-Chair
Commissioner William L. McDaniel, Jr., District 5; - CRAB Co-Chair
NOTICE: ALL PERSONS WISHING TO SPEAK MUST TUM IN A
SPEAKER SLIP. EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE NO MORE
THAN THREE (3) MINUTES. COLLIER COUNTY ORDINANCE
NO. 2003-53 AS AMENDED BY ORDINANCE 2004-05 AND 2007-24,
REQUIRES THAT ALL LOBBYISTS SHALL, BEFORE ENGAGING
IN ANY LOBBYING ACTIVITIES (INCLUDING BUT NOT
LIMITED TO, ADDRESSING THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS), REGISTER WITH THE CLERK TO THE
BOARD AT THE BOARD MINUTES AND RECORDS
DEPARTMENT.
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1. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
2. WORKSHOP TOPICS
A. Introduction - Overview of the CRA (John Dunnuck, CRA Director)
Presented
B. Immokalee CRA Update (Christie Betancourt, Assistant CRA Director)
Presented
C. Bayshore Gateway Triangle CRA Update (John Dunnuck, CRA Director)
Presented
3. PUBLIC COMMENTS
4. ADJOURN
INQUIRIES CONCERNING CHANGES TO THE BOARD'S AGENDA
SHOULD BE MADE TO THE COUNTY MANAGER'S OFFICE AT 252-8383.
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MS. PATTERSON: Chair, you have a live mic.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Good morning, everybody. Welcome to
the CRA workshop. We will get started with this, and to do so we'll
get done with the Pledge of Allegiance first.
MS. PATTERSON: Today we have the -- oh, do you want to
do the invocation, Chair, as well?
CHAIRMAN HALL: We're going to do the invocation before
because it -- I would love to.
MS. PATTERSON: Yes. We'd like to do the invocation and
the Pledge of Allegiance. So we have our invocation from Father
Michael Orsi for Action for Life, and then our Pledge will be led by
Dr. J.B. Holmes, U.S. Air Force veteran, VFW Post 7721.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Great. So before we get started, let me
remind you to silence those cell phones, because if your cell phone
goes off during Father Orsi's prayer, you could go to hell.
FATHER ORSI: Or at least be struck by lightning.
Let us pray.
Lord God, we come to you this day, your sons and daughters of
Collier County, Florida, in humble gratitude for sparing our nation
the near tragedy of the attempted assassination of former President
Donald J. Trump.
Let us realize your presence among us as we celebrate the
victory of life over death. May we, like you, be compassionate and
generous in all our deliberations and actions on behalf of the people
of Collier County. Let us choose life over death.
Make us always measure our actions as they affect the poor and
the underrepresented in our community.
We especially ask your guidance on accommodating the
unsheltered, those sleeping on our streets. We pray for collaborate
effort and solutions in our community with St. Matthew's House to
shelter more people.
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We beg you, oh, Father, to unite us in our efforts for building a
veterans' nursing home on the old Golden Gate Golf Course. Let us
show our love and gratitude to those men and women who have
sacrificed so much for our great country. Bless Commissioner
Saunders and Commander J.B. Holmes of the VFW 7721 for their
leadership in this project.
Guide us, Lord, in this upcoming election to choose men and
women who will be faithful to the constitution and cognizant of your
divine law as it is revealed in nature and in the Bible.
Finally, Lord, we ask you to let this assembly today be guided
by your wisdom, fill it with charity and mutual respect for all who
want to keep our beloved Collier County great. We ask in your holy
name. Amen.
DR. HOLMES: Please follow me in the Pledge of Allegiance.
All veterans, please render a hand salute.
(The Pledge of Allegiance was recited in unison.)
DR. HOLMES: Commissioner Hall, with your permission,
may I say a few words?
CHAIRMAN HALL: Sure. Go ahead.
DR. HOLMES: Thank you, sir.
MR. MILLER: Dr. Holmes, please go on microphone, either
one.
DR. HOLMES: Okay. I come to you this morning introduced
as Dr. J.B. Holmes, but really I feel more like Ebenezer Scrooge this
morning because I am plagued by ghosts of the past, the present, and
the future.
I'm plagued by the ghost of the past in that I taught -- I retired
from Collier County Public Schools, as you know, and I taught over
on the Lorenzo Walker campus in alternative education. Now, I'm
informed that one of the great, great schools over there, Lorenzo
Walker High School, is being closed, and it has been a purely
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administrative decision, and that takes me into the past of what a
great, great school that was, it is, and I think we should look at that
situation. We should examine that situation. Although it is in my
past, it's still a ghost. I also have a ghost of the present.
The ghost of the present is my Voice of Democracy and Pat's
Pen, VFW scholarships, and I ask for your help in those. Every year
we do those, and it's very, very challenging to get those scholarships
out into the community, believe it or not. So that's my present ghost.
My ghost of the future is the VA nursing home. We're working
diligently on that, and I was contacted by Senator Scott's office this
morning with a letter of his support for that.
So those are my ghosts. And I know that within Collier
County, we are founded upon five pillars of strength, five pillars that
will rid those ghosts, five pillars of concrete and steel. Those pillars
have names. They have names. One of them is named McDaniels
[sic], one of them's named LoCastro, one of them's named Hall, one
of them's named Saunders, and one of them's name is Kowal. I
thank you gentlemen for your support in this community, and I ask
everyone to join me in thanking them, and I salute you. Thank you.
(Applause.)
MS. PATTERSON: Commissioners, we're going to now turn it
over to Mr. Dunnuck to take us through the CRA workshop. Just so
you-all know, when we conclude the CRA workshop, we'll need to
take about a 15-minute break to reset the room, and then we'll pick up
with the regular meeting of the Board of County Commissioners.
So with that, Mr. Dunnuck.
MR. DUNNUCK: Good morning.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Good morning.
MR. DUNNUCK: For the record, my name's John Dunnuck.
I'm your CRA director.
I would like to first begin -- I'm kind of reminiscing a little bit
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about the last time -- or actually the first time I presented in this
room. For many of you, you already know that I actually was a
former employee. I worked here from 1995 to 2004. But in about
1996/'97, I was in Parks in Recreation working here, and I was asked
by the Public Services administrator then, Tom Olliff, to come and
make a special presentation in front of the local delegation, and at
that time the local delegation was then Representative Saunders.
And my request was to go present to request alcohol at
Vineyards Community Park under a special exemption or a state
statute because we had hosted an event called Country Jam, and we
wanted to be able to serve beer at that event.
Now, what Tom Olliff didn't tell me at the time was he knew
unequivocally the request was going to go down in flames, but he
wanted me to present in front of the local delegation to really test me
to see how I would handle, you know, a hostile presentation, so to
speak, in response.
And when all was said and done -- I give kudos to
Commissioner Saunders because he did say some very kind words
afterwards. Even though they weren't in favor of the presentation I
was making, it was very encouraging to walk out of there, you know,
and I wanted to thank him, you know, from the dais because those are
the things beginning in your career you go through that kind of shape
you for the future.
And, you know, it just kind of reminds me of, you know, as I
said, coming back here and, you know, being back in front of the
Commission again, and, you know, some of the history that comes
with that. You know, you get a little nostalgic. You know, back
then you didn't have to wear reading glasses for everything you did in
a presentation, but now you have to.
The presentation today will be kind of in three parts. I'm going
to do a quick introduction, kind of give an overall view. For those of
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you who don't know, I've only been here two months, so I'm still
learning the processes. I don't know what I don't know, but I'm
going to add color of what I've seen so far in those two months and
work through, you know, some of those challenges that we're seeing.
We're going to do a presentation from the Immokalee side of the
CRA as a second part, and then the third part, we'll do the
Bayshore/Gateway Triangle presentation as well. And so, you
know, with that, I'll get it kickstarted.
Just some quick history. The Bayshore beautification was kind
of the predecessor to everything. It started in 1997. The
Bayshore/Gateway Triangle and Immokalee Redevelopment Areas
were created March 14th, 2000, by the Board of County
Commissioners, which ironically, when I went back and looked at the
history, it was the day I received my five-year pin at the county and
was over working in Growth Management at the time.
The CRA is funded through tax incremental funding. The
baseline was established in 2000.
In Immokalee, it's basically the whole area of Immokalee; it's
24,386 acres. And that beginning funding in 2000 was 148,645,000.
Bayshore was 1800 acres with a value of 288 thousand -- 288
million.
The Immokalee lighting and beautification MSTU was created
in 2002. Haldeman Creek MSTU was created in 2006. And
then -- and this is the most important thing, because these are the
most -- the redevelopment plans are what drive the CRAs.
So in April 23rd, 2019, the BCC, acting as the CRA, approved
the amended Bayshore/Gateway Triangle Redevelopment Plan with
the recommendation from the Planning Commission to sunset in
2030. And when I make my presentation later on Bayshore, that's an
important number to look at. That's five years, and it means we have
a limited time to get a lot of things done in five years, and we're
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going to be talking about why we're putting boots to the ground to get
things done.
On May 10th, 2022, the BCC, acting as the CRA, approved the
Immokalee Redevelopment Plan with a recommendation to continue
the Immokalee CRA into 2052, and Christie will walk you through,
you know, all of the great projects that we have on the cusp in that
area.
I want to take a moment to recognize who's here in the room.
Mark Lemke is the chair of the Immokalee CRA. He's to your left.
Christie Betancourt is the assistant director.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Your other left.
MR. DUNNUCK: To my left, so...
CHAIRMAN HALL: Hostile crowd.
MR. DUNNUCK: And then David Turrubiartez is here as well.
On the phone, on Zoom we have Ms. Andrea Halman, Christina
Guerrero, Cherryle Thomas, and Estil Null. And just for
housekeeping purposes, they have activity. They're on as a host
panelist, and so they can actually interact with questions as we go
throughout.
Staff-wise, we have Yvonne Blair and Yuridia Zaragoza here
from the Immokalee team. Great contributors.
On the Bayshore side of it, in the audience, you have Karen
Beatty, who will be up here at the panel later, Allen Schantzen, and
Maurice Gutierrez may be coming a little bit late. He had a family
issue this morning. Steve Rigsbee should be here. Susan Crum are
also in the audience. And then on the phone as well is James
Talano; Kristin Hood; Mike Sherman; Branimir Brankov; Joann
Talano; James Cascone; Frank McCutcheon; Roy Wilson; Robert
Wopperer, Vice Chair; Jacob Dutry van Haeften; and Bob Bynum are
all on the Zoom call. So we have a hefty group coming from the
Bayshore area today. In the audience from the staff side is Shirley
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Garcia and Tami Scott.
So going to a two-month challenge, you know, obviously, one of
the things I've seen is that, you know, we've had three directors in the
last year, and that has caused some stop-and-start momentum, and
that's one of the things that hopefully we're going to kind of smooth
out. You know, I don't intend to go anywhere. But that's one of the
challenges we've had in -- you know, in when I look at what's been
going on.
In the Bayshore/Gateway Triangle, it's had several initiatives,
and it's lost momentum over the years. The Bayshore beautification,
they were looking -- and we'll talk a little bit more about it. They
were looking at a plan to kind of shrink the road size down from the
advisory board side, but it wasn't in a line with Transportation
necessarily, and so a cross-section was created that they were running
down pathways, but the communication wasn't there, and it had to be
worked out.
Del's property, we started with some charrettes, worked through
the community. Then there was proposals to do something else with
the property. It kind of lost momentum.
The 17 acres that are on Bayshore Drive that we're going to talk
about with the boardwalk, there again, another proposal came in and
kind of took it off track in the discussions. And when you talk about
Bayshore and you talk about five years till sunset, the derailment of
some of these things are going to be difficult to do. We need to be
taking action and moving forward, and that's kind of what you're
going to see under my direction is bring things through the advisory
board, bring them to the Board for discussion, bring them for results
in moving forward.
Shadowlawn Drive improvements. It's long been on the books
to do some improvements on Shadowlawn Drive. It's a very
constrained cross-section. It's about 50 feet, but there are some
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stormwater issues and some improvements that can be made for
walkability that we need to concentrate on.
And I mentioned effective communication with county
departments. One of the things I'm all about and my team is going
to be about is really how we communicate with the departments. I
think at some levels the CRAs kind of got a little bit out to feeling
like they had to do things on their own; and under the County
Manager's direction and everything, we're working as a team.
So I'm spending time talking to Trinity and her team, and a lot
of them are in the audience to answer any questions. I spent time
with Jamie, you know, French on the Community Development side,
and we're just -- we're really kind of building that communication so
that we can get things done.
And, you know, I mentioned waiting for the next big idea. One
of the observations I've seen is a lot of times when we're in short-term
discussions, we don't think, you know, about -- we put things aside
and say, well, let's wait for the next big project and not do anything in
the meantime. And so some of the maintenance areas that I've seen
in Immokalee and otherwise need some TLC, and we're going to be
discussing those.
We've had some irrigation that's been out for a number of years,
and because of the -- you know, and Christie will talk to it. Because
of some of the projects that are coming down the road, there's a fear
of spending any money to improve them. And so we kind of want to
get over those humps. At the very least, get it in front of the Board
for discussion, you know, because I've seen where things have
stopped at the advisory board levels and haven't made it all the way
up to the Board for full discussion.
And then opportunities outside, I mentioned it to you before.
When sometimes somebody knows that there's government property,
they come with a great idea. Maybe the funding's there, maybe the
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funding's not, but there's a lot of discussion that tends to derail the
projects and stay away from the focus.
And so one of the things we're going to get to is kind of
consistent with what you've done as a board is building priorities.
Build a priority-based budget and then work your dollars backwards.
So if you have your priorities aligned and you have -- then you figure
out how much money you have left to work with it, that's where we're
headed.
Focus, execution, and figuring out other funding opportunities.
You know, there's such a great opportunity for grants, and Trinity's
team has done an unbelievable job in Immokalee, but there's other
opportunities out there, and we want to look at how we pursue those
because I do think there's always going to be opportunity there to find
other money.
And then I mentioned protect what's already there. Don't
neglect what you already have built because, as we're talking about
sunsetting in Bayshore, we want to make sure that beautification is
done right. It's been a little dated, you know. It needs a little TLC,
and we want to make sure we've put the funding, you know, moving
forward with that.
The CRA has embraced the core values of the Board, which is
quality of place, responsible governance, community development,
infrastructure, and asset management. And you're going to see
throughout this presentation we're going to be heavy on the
infrastructure and finishing what we started. But we wanted to make
sure you understood that we're aligned with what the Board has
created as direction and that we're going to be following directly in
line with those issues and those missions.
Focus areas, you know, I can go into detail. This is kind of
a -- you know, got a lot of words in it, but it shows where we've
aligned the redevelopment plans to the Board's missions. And so if
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you kind of look at the high-level quality of place and you see those
bullets below, you see those are coming out of our redevelopment
plan in support of the Board's initiatives.
And, you know, with that I want to introduce Christie
Betancourt, who is, as I said, the assistant director, and she'll walk
you through Immokalee.
MS. BETANCOURT: Good morning. Christie Betancourt,
for the record. I want to give you an update on what's going on in
Immokalee, our redevelopment area.
So in early 2024, we wanted to condense our vision statement
that was put together with the redevelopment plan update in 2022 and
to be a thriving rural community to live, work, and play. I just
wanted to share that with you.
I'm going to start off with some of our plans. Our Immokalee
Area Master Plan was updated in 2019. One of those initiatives was
to redo our Land Development Code specifically for Immokalee.
That process started in 2022. And it was a long process, two years,
but we had a lot of public meetings. We had -- and I want to be
specific to this to let you know. During that time, we had four
presentations to the CRA board, one-on-one stakeholder meetings,
and a public workshop. Summary of the draft language was
submitted in May of 2024. And now the adoption process has
started. I think we have our first meeting this month and are hopeful
to have that adopted at the end of this year.
With the redevelopment plan, as John said, that was originally
adopted in 2000, amended in 2022. And we have five specific goals
that we go by: Celebrating culture, economic development, housing,
infrastructure, implementation and administration. Those five goals
have 26 corresponding objectives, and those 26 corresponding
objectives have 109 strategies. We have a lot of work to do.
So given that, I'd like to start off with community outreach. I
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believe that a successful community, having community engagement,
it strengthens our community. So with the CRA, we maintain to
have a strong relationship with our community. So we go out there
and participate in any event possible to network with our community.
Whether it's a big bus event, Christmas tree lighting, groundbreaking
ceremonies, community cleanups, backpack events, we're out there in
the community on a daily basis.
Our budget. This slide I like to show. It's in your annual
report. I have copies here from the 2023 annual report. And it
shows, like John said, a creation of our budget 2000 to 2024 and has
a forecast for 2025. And when I met with Commissioner McDaniel
and reviewed this, he pointed out that during the recession in 2008,
we're just now back to that in 2022 of 391 million of our taxable
value, 14 years later. And this forecast for this upcoming year is 537
million. So those numbers weigh in from 2000 until now.
And I will tell you that we take -- we try to save your money.
And I know John came in and said, you know, some of these projects
have to be addressed. I like to save money, and we don't have much
of it. But he's right, we need a lot of TLC out in Immokalee.
Our funds, this is the CRA fund, 1025, and our budget is there
for this upcoming year that we're working with, which is 1.3 million,
and our forecast is 1.4. And I'll just go over this briefly. If you
have any questions, I can go back.
Our capital projects -- this is our savings pot for our projects.
We have specific project funding for stormwater, sidewalks, Parks
and Recreation, neighborhood revitalization, mobility, Main Street,
First Street, commercial grant programs, and lighting. The total
budget is a little over four million. We currently have three and a
half available. Projecting three million for next fiscal year.
And our capital projects funded by grants. We have two right
now, 1.2 million. We were awarded an additional funding this
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upcoming fiscal year for an additional million.
So since we started applying for grants in 2010 -- we didn't
establish an office in Immokalee until 2008, so we got right to
applying for grants. We've been awarded over $10 and a half
million. That's a big accomplishment for us with a very small staff.
Our beautification area, we manage the beautification area, Fund
1629. Our budget is -- amended budget is 1.9. Proposed for the
upcoming year is 2, a little over 2.
Landscaping, we also get maintenance funds from General
Funds, and this upcoming year we're proposing 237,600. Currently
we have ten, twenty-nine, six hundred [sic]. And this is mostly used
for the maintenance of Immokalee Road and State Road 29.
I'm going to get right into economic development, land mass. I
got this from the 2020 zoning designations from land-use data.
Sixty-nine percent of Immokalee is still zoned ag, two percent is
zoned commercial, three percent is zoned industrial. The remainder
is residential mixed-use. Just to give you an idea, 24,000 acres.
So a way that we use to show development or progress
is -- development highlights is through permits. So we want to
strengthen the economic health of Immokalee, one of our goals for a
redevelopment plan, and we do a comparison of commercial from the
year before to the prior year -- or the current year.
So this was a comparison from 2022 permits and 2023.
Commercial, we had 206 permits, over 18 million in 2022; and in
2023 we had over 231 permits, over 31 million.
For residential, 671 permits, 24 million, and even though we had
less permits pulled, we had over 35 million. So we wanted to show
what was the permits being pulled. To show growth, building/roofs
was the majority of the permits being pulled.
This is a slide I like to use when businesses are trying to come in
and show the growth in the community.
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Going on to community development. We have a hand in the
development coming in, either it's a letter of support or finding land
for them. If we don't award them a grant or give them some kind of
incentives, our time is crucial to making sure these developments
move forward, and the right development is where it's being
proposed.
So to the left, we have our CMA, childcare center and
community hub. This is about a seven-acre project. And I want to
point out that they're -- they have about eight acres allocated for
future housing, and they also have an upcoming charter school.
To the right is completion of the firehouse, Fire Station 30, and
the 7-Eleven.
Other development, Seminole Tribe of Florida has a medical
facility almost completed. We do have an updated rendering I'm
going to share.
Main Street hotel has moved forward with the conditional-use
request on the image to the right, and the lower image is the
Immokalee Community Center. This is a project that's proposed by
Catholic Charities. They brought the property that the CRA owned
on 9th Street, and they're moving forward with the Immokalee
Community Center. The concept includes a mix of uses including
urgent care facility, improved social services, community meeting
room, administrative office, retail, and affordable housing,
approximately 50 units.
So they did do a rezone application on May 20th. We do have a
reverter clause with the land sale. They have a time frame to
complete the project, so we're following this development very
closely.
Housing, one of our goals in the redevelopment plan, provide a
mixed use of housing types and price points to allow for safe,
high-quality dwelling unit options in Immokalee. I'll show you a
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few of the developments.
I did a presentation not too long ago, and the question was
asked, "Hey, what's nonprofit, Christie? What's private
development?" We don't have much private development, but what
we do have I want to share with you. LGI Homes at Arrowhead has
179 lots. Out of those lots, 75 have been completed single-family
homes, and a little over 20 are under construction.
For the Immokalee Foundation Learning Lab, that's non-profit.
They are proposing 18 homes, and they've completed nine.
AR Builders, they are a private developer doing isolated lots in
Immokalee. They are doing 13 homes. They have completed 10;
three are under construction.
Habitat for Humanity, they're proposing 281. They've
completed 24, and 17 are under construction. And that one is a
process over a course of years. Trying to get the families approved
with the cost -- the increased cost has been difficult for Habitat.
Moving on to rental housing. The one on the left is the Pulte
Charitable Foundation, Monarca, and that is -- was originally
proposed 280 homes. They reduced that to allow for an oversized
vehicle lot to 250 homes. And that is -- their Phase 1 is 69 homes.
To the right is Immokalee Fair Housing Alliance. They're
proposing 128 units. They've completed 16. I think they got the
CO most recently, and 16 more are under construction, and that's
going to be for the Shelter for Abused Women and Children housing.
Other housing, rental for non-profit development is Casa
Amigos. That's Rural Neighborhoods. They completed 24
apartments.
To the right is the Diocese of Venice, Casa San Juan Diego, and
they're proposing 80 units, and they are all including a multiuse field
for recreational use for the community.
We added this slide because we wanted to show progress at the
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Immokalee airport. I know it's small. We do have somebody here
with the airport if you want to -- have any questions during questions,
for the airport.
Planned projects, in 2024, completion of replacing the 10,000
gallon fuel tanks to 12,000 gallon fuel tanks. That was closed out
already.
Security enhancements, automating the gate on County Road
846, southwest corner of the airport and purchase and installation of
100 KW emergency backup generator. The project's 90 percent
complete. It will go out for bid in September/October this year.
Environmental assessment for the extension of Airport
Boulevard, followed by the construction in 2026. Environment
is -- assessment for the extension of the runway.
In 2027, master plan update. 2028, land acquisition.
And then planned projects not funded by the county, FAA or
DOT, of course, is the added 20 new hangars; the readiness center for
the National Guard; and the invitation to negotiate for the 500-plus
acres of developable land at the airport.
Infrastructure. Another one of our redevelopment goals is to
maintain a high quality of life for all residents and visitors of
Immokalee.
So during the strategic planning session that we started in
November -- and we did it over the course of a couple of meetings.
We met again in December, and in January, the boards met
separately, the MSTU and the CRA, but we reviewed the same. We
reviewed our focus areas, what we've accomplished for 23 years that
we've been -- of the redevelopment area and what was our vision and
our prioritization list.
In February of this year, our board recommended funding
projects, or our CRA board did, and in June, most recently, the
MSTU board recommended project funding.
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Our goal is to finalize the strategic plan. And we really like the
strategic plan for the county. We're going to use that outline to
finalize our plan and to update our prioritization list.
This is a short list of the planned projects: Prioritization for
funding, which is First Street sidewalk Phase III; historic cemetery;
Lake Trafford; Fields of Dreams parks initiative; housing
development; 9th Street property; Main Street corridor; Immokalee
airport; 24-hour medical facility; and Little League extension.
Now, not all these projects are underway. Not all these projects
have funding, but this is our prioritization list.
So I wanted to give you a couple projects that we completed this
year. This was the last of three monuments that were built by the
MSTU, and these were done on the bookends of the entrances of
Immokalee. One on SR 82 coming into 29 on Immokalee, the other
one coming on from Immokalee Road, and the other one coming
from Farmworkers Village on State Road 29. This was the last one.
This was closed out in March, our landscape contractors taking on the
maintenance of it.
Some other smaller projects are pavers. We redid our pavers.
We had a lot of trip hazards, so we went ahead and redid our pavers
at the Zocalo Park; we did Phase 1 improvements at the Historic
cemetery that we have now taken on the maintenance shared by the
CRA and the MSTU; and we sold, of course, the property on 9th
Street. And that revenue -- and I'll speak to it later -- was added to
do our budget for First Street.
One of our priorities that was added this year was park
initiatives and funding for improvements to the parks in Immokalee,
and we identified the sports complex as a priority. So in February,
our board voted, through the strategic plan prioritization funding, to
allocate 1.2 million of our capital funds for park improvements. It
was identified that the sports complex was the best use of these
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funds. They were -- shortage of funds. Project's estimated at $4
million, and so in June that was brought to your attention, brought
forward, and you approved it. So we'll have a timeline and schedule
at a future meeting.
The historic cemetery on Main Street, staff moved forward with
the request for proposal from Stantec to do surveying, ground
penetrating radar, and mapping services for this cemetery that's
owned by the county and managed by the CRA and MSTU.
First Street corridor. This project is funded by CDBG in two
phases. First one was for design, 250,000; second award this year is
coming forward, which is a little bit over a million dollars, and the
CRA has capital funds, 323,629. So the project is proposed to be a
little over 1.5 million.
This project is the installation of the rectangular rapid beacons at
three crosswalks, an additional light -- light poles and relocation of
light poles in that corridor. So we're at 60 percent design for this
project. I wanted to mention that.
Sidewalk Phase III, this project was shovel ready. We weren't
awarded CDBG grant funding, so we went out for appropriation
fundings for the CPF grant and were awarded 987,000. The
beautification MSTU and the CRA will do a cost share. It's
estimated at 641,378, and the estimated cost for this project's 1.6
million. And this is to provide a 6-foot sidewalk along -- as well as
drainage along Eustes and West Delaware. It's about 2500 linear
feet of improvements, and it's identified in yellow.
Lake Trafford corridor lighting. So this project is a cost share
for the CRA and MSTU. Design is 43 percent complete. Estimated
cost is three million. We do have a stop work notice since April of
this year to address utility conflicts. So this is to identify lighting
and determine where is the best place to put the lighting along this
corridor. We're moving with using LCEC poles, but that hasn't been
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determined for sure yet.
Main Street corridor streetscape. And so this project
is -- design budget was a little over 212,000, and there is a stop work
notice as well since September 27th, 2023, to evaluate the loop road
project. The schedule was to process -- when that moves forward, if
that gets constructed, when it gets constructed, if the CRA -- if the
county's going to take on the -- road that -- the Main Street from
DOT.
So that project consists of design improvements to the
streetscape of Main Street, .6 of a mile. Very small location from
Main Street, First Street, to Ninth Street. And that -- it's the
streetscape enhancements for the community.
And with this project, I will say it's been on our books for a
while, but this is an area that we didn't want to put money in
because -- what was coming. So we're looking into making sure that
we address the maintenance issues there. So we're working with
DOT doing work orders for improvements in that corridor.
Partnerships. As John mentioned, we have -- are having a great
partnership with community departments, other county departments,
the best we've ever had in years. And just having, like we said with
Parks and Rec, the gap in funding with a project, and it serviced the
community.
And so we're moving forward with more projects, small projects
with other county entities and then other partnerships with private
entities as well, the Sheriff's Department, FHERO Region, Unmet
Needs Coalition, Chamber of Commerce. Blue Zone, they're
sunsetting in August, but we had a great relationship with them in
some of our assessments with our design projects.
Other community partnerships, we have a monthly walking tour,
and I invite anybody to join. Walking those nine blocks, I call it,
Main Street. When you're driving it and when you're walking it,
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you'll have a different view of it. Trip hazards, just things that need
to be addressed, that we try to address. And so our walking tour
participants is Sheriff's Department, Botanical Gardens, board
members, community members, county staff. So I welcome you.
That's the second Monday of every month.
Transportation partnerships, we help with the Transportation
Network Plan that was finalized in November of 2023. We
participate in TIGER grant meetings. We will take on the utility
expense once that's completed for the light poles.
Code enforcement, we coordinate community cleanups, best
locations, dates, and participate.
And then partnerships with Parks and Rec. We are having
monthly partnership meetings with staff to share resources and get
ideas on what is the best park improvements for those areas -- or
enhancements, amenities.
That's it. Any questions?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Do you want me to go first?
CHAIRMAN HALL: Go ahead.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Well, first of all, hello. I'm
really happy to see you all, except for you, David, not --
A couple of things I'd just like to call your attention to, to my
colleagues, is just how the inference and prioritization of
infrastructure has created value in our community. I remember
when I -- when I was running for this seat. One of the comments
that I made regularly was it was my goal to turn Immokalee into the
economic epicenter of Collier County, and we are doing that as we
speak through infrastructure, put infrastructure in, expansion of our
airport, expansion of our road systems. Get government out of the
way.
With the -- with the master plan and the Land Development
Code, Chapter 4, Immokalee proper -- Immokalee is an agricultural
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community. It has different development standards than the coastal
area does, and we've addressed those issues along the way. And I
have to say thank you to all of you -- not you, Mr. Dunnuck. You're
too new yet.
But these folks are members of our community. They've been
there for a millennia and been instrumental in vitalizing the
community to participate. Because without community support, we
don't -- we don't have anything to go on. And so I just want to say a
heartfelt thanks to all of you for the time that you've donated and the
effort that you've put in to move our community forward.
Just -- you know, on that infrastructure alone, when the CRA
was created back in 2000, there was 148 million in taxable value, and
now it's tipped over 500 million, 537 million today.
David, you live in the learning lab community over there, do
you not?
MR. TURRUBIARTEZ: The Immokalee Foundation.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes, yes. They call -- it's a
division that was created by the Immokalee Foundation. They
donated the land. They put a million dollars in for water/sewer and
street and then partnered with BCB and I-Tech to have our kids that
are coming out of the Immokalee High School and then attending
I-Tech to work on the construction of these homes. And then we,
with the help of our County Manager, put together a grant program to
offset and increase the affordability to offset the impact fees for the
residents over there.
And how do you like that, David? That's an off-the-cuff
question. I know you weren't prepared for this. But I mean, are you
happy living over there?
MR. TURRUBIARTEZ: Yeah. It's great. It's peaceful right
behind us. We have orange groves as well. So if you look outside
your window, you'll see deer, and it's just a nice calm right now from
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reality.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Absolutely. It won't be so
calm once the loop road comes through, but it will -- it will -- well, I
mean, with the infrastructure comes growth. It's inevitable. Growth
is inevitable. But we're going to -- you know, there's close to $200
million coming to Immokalee -- well, 100 million with the loop road
and then the four-laning of 29.
With the loop road's completion -- and that starts over by the
airport, on the west side of the airport, and goes up around
Immokalee to about where New Market winds in now. And once
they figure out that intersection -- I heard there was some -- I heard
there was some discussion about that intersection, but then -- and
then four-laning 29 north to the roundabout at 82.
And then we were also successful several years ago in
advancing the four-laning of State Road 82. That wasn't slated to be
started until this year, and now they're starting the last segment in
Collier County. Over at the Gator Slough area, there were some
issues environmentally with wildlife crossings and such. But the
finalization of the four-lane coming from Fort Myers and, ultimately,
I-75 to help with commerce. I mean, if -- and, again, infrastructure
is the key to success.
We have a workforce in Immokalee, an employment force in
Immokalee. And if we gave manufacturers and producers a
methodology to bring their raw materials to our community, hire our
people to produce finished goods and services and then ship them out
either by road or by air, we win all the way across the board.
I had one quick question for you, Christie. You mentioned
earlier about the ready station for the National Guard. I don't know,
a couple, three years ago we were successful in the $25 million
bequeath from the state to help with that. Have you got any update
as to -- no.
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MS. BETANCOURT: Trinity's here to answer.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Ah. Oh, here comes Trinity.
Okay.
And while Trinity's coming to the mic, if you'll just bear with
me one second. Christie talked a little bit about the loop road and
the old 29 where it currently runs now. When that loop road is
started or actually on the books to be constructed, the State is going
to give Collier County the old 29 route that goes through town and
what Christie designated as Main Street. They'll give that to the
county, and that's the reason we forestalled any of the bulb-outs and
maintenance and that sort of things, because that is still a state
highway, and until we actually have it and are responsible for all
those things, there's no reason to spend any money on it just yet.
But, ultimately, the goal is to have Main Street be a walking
community.
So once the loop road is, in fact, in place and we have a capacity
for manufacturers to bring in raw materials and ship out finished
goods and services, then we can ratchet that Main Street down to
two-lane -- two-lane road bidirectional with angle parking, increase
our parking along Main Street, which will certainly help the residents
and businesses that are along that way.
Okay, Ms. Trinity.
MS. SCOTT: Good morning. Trinity Scott, Transportation
Management Services department head.
The readiness center is working its way through the
development review process. They have submitted for their Site
Development Plan. They have a round of comments back. They
have not responded to those comments yet. So it's working -- it's
much further ahead than where we were this time last year.
And then also with regard to State Road 29, Main Street, if you
will, we are working closely with the Florida Department of
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Transportation because they do have an initiative to resurface that
roadway. We're also having them go through the stormwater
management system with a fine-toothed comb so that prior to them
asking to do that jurisdictional transfer, that we make sure that it is up
to speed on all of the infrastructure that's necessary for the roadway.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Don't go away.
And that's key as well. And the State will ultimately give that
to the county, but we don't want to get burdened with an excess
amount of unattended maintenance than hasn't been attended, so...
And quickly on the TIGER grant, can you give us a brief
update --
MS. SCOTT: Sure.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: -- because I know there was
close to 13 million we were successful in achieving from Mario
Diaz-Balart's office to facilitate the TIGER grant, and that's for a
combination of miles of sidewalk and streetlighting and stormwater,
and then the county put in almost another 10 million to help finish
that off. How are we coming with the TIGER project?
MS. SCOTT: The TIGER project is moving along pretty well.
We had a little hiccup that we addressed with the Board earlier this
year with regard to the Immokalee Water/Sewer District and the
utility relocations. We have advanced the funding for that utility
relocation to be able to keep that project moving along. We are
slated to be done next spring.
And, Commissioner, you're correct, it's a $23 million
construction project with just over $13 million from the federal
government for that project. It's 20 miles of sidewalks,
stormwater -- associated stormwater improvements for those
sidewalks, several bus stops, new Collier Area Transit bus transfer
facility, and streetlighting.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Absolutely. Well, thank
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you, Trinity and Christie and Mark and David. Again, I meet with
you folks on a regular basis, and your involvement and leadership all
the way across the board has been instrumental in moving our
community forward, and I -- from me, I want to thank you.
MS. BETANCOURT: Thank you.
MR. LEMKE: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That's it.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Christie, how long have you been in your position?
MS. BETANCOURT: As the assistant director?
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yeah.
MS. BETANCOURT: A month.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: About a month.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: What was your position prior
to that? You were still involved in the CRA?
MS. BETANCOURT: Yeah. I've been with the CRA since
2008. I started as the admin and project program manager,
operations manager, and now the assistant director.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I mean, it shows. It was a
great overview. I'm going to make some comments that probably
are going to be a bit unexpected, but showing how much need is out
there in Immokalee but also showing how much has been done is
really something that's almost invisible to most Collier County
residents.
I'll just speak for myself. I get citizens that blow up my e-mail
that there's one median in front of their gated community that doesn't
have any flowers in it and, oh, what a tragedy and then, yet, you
know, you can take a long walk out to Immokalee and see that, you
know, there's some areas there that are so inconsistent to what we do
in some other areas. And so I think, you know, that reminder almost
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needs to go to, you know, all citizens.
One thing I'll say about these five commissioners here -- and
even before I was a commissioner I was still an involved citizen
watching what was happening in this room. You have five
commissioners here that represent their own specific districts, but it's
not lost on us that our job is to support all of Collier County.
And I'll just give some examples, and I'll go right down the line.
So Commissioner Kowal has the pickleball center, East Naples, you
know, Community Park, gets all of the praise, all of the spears, yet
we all care about that footprint. You know, it's bigger than just, you
know, his district.
The nursing home that's coming to Commissioner Saunders'
district, no question, has led the charge for years, even predating
many of us, except for Commissioner McDaniel, who's been involved
in it from day one, but we all care about it.
Commissioner Hall had to do unbelievable, amazing Herculean
efforts after Hurricane Ian because his area of his district was hit so
hard, but we all, you know, obviously care about it.
And then, obviously, you're here representing District 5, which
is Commissioner McDaniel. But, you know, just to reiterate, there's
not separate pots of district money that we all control separately.
We're all -- we're all pulling out of one pot.
But one of the things that this is a good reminder is that we need
to make sure there's cohesion and that, you know, while we're
replacing sod in one district on a soccer field that the sod was
replaced 12 months ago or we're putting -- we're replacing a
playground in a community in one of -- in another district because it's
time for them to get brand-new equipment, we have neighborhoods
that have never had a sidewalk, have never had a playground, have
never had a lot of these things.
And so this is really a great reminder of what you've done with,
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actually -- I won't say little money. There's some big numbers on
here, but it doesn't go as far as people think. So you might get $1.2
million for something, but it goes fast.
And so, you know, I just -- you know, it's -- you wish 50,000
people were watching this right now, but, unfortunately, they're not.
But hopefully all of us as commissioners can help spread the word
that the need across Collier County is great, and in some areas it's
inconsistent.
And, you know, I'm proud to serve with these four gentlemen
because I think we've done a really good job making the investment,
you know, more consistent. But on a regular basis we need to be
reminded where the holes are, because while we're putting platinum
on top of gold somewhere else in Collier County, and the citizens are
demanding it, we have some areas just down the road, you know, in
your community that have never had, you know, half of what, you
know, we're gold-plating in certain districts.
So, you know, I think this meeting is more important than just
an overview of what you've done and what needs to be done, but it's a
reminder of Collier County's more than just 5th Avenue, U.S. 41,
Tamiami Trail. You know, in my district, East Naples, to some it's
the epicenter of Collier County. Collier County's way bigger than
that. And you really represent an area that I won't say has been
ignored. I think Commissioner McDaniel and especially you-all
have led the charge to ensure investment and make sure that these
areas aren't forgotten.
And so I'm really impressed to see what you've done with funds
that you've received and how you have a really specific plan of what
needs to be done. But, you know, like I said, the last-minute
takeaway reminder is I wish, you know, this got -- was understood by
the average Collier County citizen who sometimes screams bloody
murder for something that they are demanding, yet, you know, a few
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blocks away and down the road, literally, the thing that's being
demanded in one district has never even existed, you know, in
another district.
And, you know, I think our pledge to you is to make sure that
we're consistent in how we invest taxpayer dollars and make sure
that -- you know, it's an old term -- a rising tide lifts all boats. You
know, in some areas we really need to raise the -- raise the tide.
I mean, we had an Immokalee citizen in here that was talking
about your soccer fields. And I mean, I'll just speak for my district.
I get some people that, you know, send me a two-page text screaming
about a soccer field that is grossly inadequate, and then you go out
there and you go, "Yeah, you know, it could use a little work, but,
you know, let me drive you to some places where the kids are playing
on dirt."
And I know our pledge here is to find more balance. And you
can see in your presentation that balance is slowly but surely, you
know, starting to get there. But, you know, I can tell you, I look at it
as taxpayer dollars, not district dollars. And so if we need to invest
in certain areas of Collier County that often seem to be, I won't say
ignored, but kind of forgotten, or maybe a better term is not known.
MS. BETANCOURT: Not known.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Right? I mean, there's some
places in Immokalee. The airport's a perfect example, and I'll end
there.
So I went on a Harley ride with a bunch of friends of mine a
couple of years ago. "Oh, we're going to go out to Immokalee
airport." I knew it existed. I'll be honest -- I think it was before I
was a commissioner -- and didn't know where it was or what was
there or anything. You know what? I wasn't alone in
people -- even now when people are talking about the Naples airport
and the problems and the issues, they're like, "Well, you know, the
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two airports that we have, you know, the one in the City of Naples
and RSW," right? And I'm like, well, we actually have two others.
We have one right outside of Marco and then a pretty -- you know,
fairly busy and growing one in Immokalee.
So it's amazing in this one county, which isn't the size of Los
Angeles, how little, you know, some citizens know.
So continue the great work that you're doing, but it's really
important that a briefing like this isn't sort of heard once a year. So
anything you can do to sort of continue to get the word out or even
feed us as commissioners -- I'd love to feature some of this stuff in
my newsletter, and it has, you know, little to do with District 1 some
people would say, but it has everything to do with my district because
the funds that we're investing in Collier County are coming from all
citizens. And also the good that we're doing.
You know, there's some people probably that go out to
Immokalee infrequently and then go, "Gosh, this place needs a lot of
help." And it's like, yeah. "I know we've been trying to help it."
But I'll echo what Commissioner McDaniel has said is, you
know, thank you so much for what you and the people that you're
here to represent, you know, are doing to keep this stuff on the radar
for all of us. You know, for all of us, you know.
And I'm here to commit to Commissioner McDaniel that when
he brings something to us, I feel more aware today than I was a year
ago and two years ago about the current needs out in Immokalee and
how it just can't be sort of a secondary thought after we gold-plate all
the stuff in some of the other more known, you know, areas of
Immokalee. So keep -- keep pushing, keep beating up your
commissioner, you know, as well. That helps as well. He's got big
shoulders.
But, you know, thank you, you know, for all that you're doing.
And, David, how long have you been involved in the CRA out at
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Immokalee?
MR. TURRUBIARTEZ: With the MSTU, it's been about four
years.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: About four years, yeah.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: It feels a lot longer, though,
sometimes?
MR. TURRUBIARTEZ: I'm involved in the community, for
sure. I've been there my entire life, yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: But thank you, you know,
and keep bringing the needs and the priorities, obviously, through
your commissioner. We don't want too many cooks in the kitchen,
but once something comes here, I mean, you know, I can tell you
I've -- you know, if there's something that's a greater need elsewhere
in the county, whether it's in my district or not -- and I won't speak
for the other commissioners, but I think I kind of am -- we look at
Collier County as an -- it's an entirety, you know, and not just sort of
our own particular, you know, districts. And there's an awful lot of
need and a lot of good that, you know, you've done with the money
and the way you've invested it out in Immokalee. So, you know, we
are -- we will continue to help you, and great to see the progress,
great to see the progress.
MS. BETANCOURT: Thank you. Appreciate it.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yeah. Thanks for being
here.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Thank you. I'll be very
brief. I don't have any questions; just a couple comments.
First of all, I think the presentation that all of you made was
excellent. We get a lot of presentations, and this was one of the
better ones, and I just want to thank you for the thoroughness of that.
And also, I agree with Commissioner LoCastro, I think we need
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to have -- kind of shine a light on Immokalee more frequently. And
so maybe there's a mechanism where we can have this type of report.
Instead of having it every year or how infrequently we do it, that we
get reports on a more regular basis, and not just a written report, but
have a presentation similar to this a little bit more frequently so that
we're fully aware and that the community's aware of what the needs
are in Immokalee.
But my main goal right now is just to thank you for the
presentation. Very well done, and I look forward to working with
you in the future.
MS. BETANCOURT: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner Kowal.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Thank you, Chairman.
I'd like to echo what a lot of my fellow colleagues have said up
here. You guys did a very good job in the presentation, and it shows
that you truly care about Immokalee. You know, you're definitely
rooted into Immokalee and that, you know, it's your life, and you
look forward to continue working to better Immokalee.
I can contest [sic] -- I had the opportunity over 20-some years
ago, as a new deputy here in Collier County, I did my field training in
Immokalee for about a month, and I can contest [sic] that over
20-some years ago and going to Immokalee now is night and day. I
mean, it just shows that -- you know, the commitment and the hard
work that the CRA there has done and the good people that's part of
it, like yourself, that's been there for a long time, yeah, it shows.
And, you know, it's -- and then it helps, too, because there's
other -- like, the Immokalee Foundation and these other private
groups that have, you know, recognized the -- you know, the vision
of Immokalee and what it can be and, you know, its needs and the
work they've done.
You know, I live in District 4. I represent District 4, but my
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family members and friends in District 4 participate with the
Immokalee Foundation every year, you know, and know the
importance of giving back. So you have -- you know, you've got a
lot of different things to tap into here in Collier County. We're
fortunate that way to have some really philanthropic individuals that
also can team up with the public and private projects like that and
especially create the homes.
I believe you live in one of the homes, correct?
MR. TURRUBIARTEZ: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Yeah. So that's big. I mean,
that's -- you know, you can't put a price tag on that type of, you
know, care for the community like that, and I just want to keep seeing
that moving forward as we move forward.
And you definitely have our support. You know, you have a
mission plan, and stick to it. I think you've got about 30-something
years left on your -- which I'm not as fortunate down in District 4, but
I guess we'll discuss some of our issues down there in what we're
going to talk about. But thank you once again.
MS. BETANCOURT: Thank you. Appreciate it.
CHAIRMAN HALL: And I'll finish up by saying "great
presentation." You did an amazing job of drawing awareness to us,
and everyone said, it has not gone unnoticed.
I do have one question. I'll ask Commissioner McDaniel so that
I don't put you on the spot. But I noticed a small amount of zoning
for industrial and commercial uses, and there's a lot of good people
out there that really would love to go to work locally. So how much
discussion has there been not only to beautify things, not only to
build the infrastructure, but to actually get the invite out to the
Immokalee community to invite people to come do business in
Collier County out there?
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: That's coming. We're
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working on it now. The chapter I spoke of briefly with regard to the
chapter for Immokalee within the LDC, we tried to stay out of the
master plan. I mean, there is a new overlay that does allow for a
shift, but the next step is to review the existing zoning and then
incentivize property owners to recreate what they already, in fact,
have.
There are some right -- you know, right there on First Street
when you come into town that are not as attractive necessarily as they
could be. And so the goal is, once we had this chapter within the
LDC, is to incentivize property owners to redevelop what they, in
fact, already have, and we're in that process. We're in the process of
adopting -- I think hopefully this board will adopt the new chapter
within the LDC, and then that refinement will come with the Growth
Management Plan and the master plan for Immokalee. Just -- and
just -- you know, Christie breezed over it, but, you know, we -- I
think it was -- when did we first adopt the master plan, 19; '19, '20?
MS. BETANCOURT: 1997.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yeah, well that was when it
was first adopted. But the new master plan I think you said --
MS. BETANCOURT: 2019.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I was there.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: 2019. What did you say,
Commissioner?
CHAIRMAN HALL: You said 1920, and Burt said, "I was
there."
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yeah. But there again, you
know, the master plan for the Immokalee airport never jived with the
master plan for Immokalee. It now does. And it was through your
leadership that we actually have coordination. Because when you
have two master plans that are working not succinctly, you end up
heading off in different directions. And so it's with your leadership
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that we've been able to accomplish these things.
So that's all forthcoming. That's the next step once we have
the -- and I don't want to belabor the point, but Immokalee is a unique
community. It's heavily agriculture. It has different -- different
priorities, different thought processes, doesn't need to be governed
like our coastal communities.
And so once the new land development chapter is adopted, then
we'll be able to come through with the revitalization and the
redevelopment.
CHAIRMAN HALL: That's good news. I'll be most
supportive of all that. That's what I'd look forward to the most.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Thank you so much.
MS. BETANCOURT: Thank you.
MR. TURRUBIARTEZ: Thank you.
MR. DUNNUCK: Next up we're going to do a shift and move
up our leadership from the Bayview [sic] Gateway Triangle Advisory
Board.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I noticed that you didn't let
Lemke talk. What's up with that?
MR. LEMKE: He likes it that way.
MR. DUNNUCK: So good morning again. We have with you
Karen Beatty, who is the chair of the Bayshore/Gateway Triangle
CRA; Allen Schantzen, who is the Vice Chair. We're hopeful that
Maurice Gutierrez, who chairs the MSTU advisory board and also
sits on the CRA, will be able to join us. I mentioned before he had a
family emergency earlier this morning, but I think he was still hoping
to get here.
I wanted to kind of start off with, you know -- and I left these
two pictures up here because I think they kind of capture Bayview
[sic] in two different ways, the CRA. One, obviously, is the project
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that sits on the mini-triangle and we'll talk about a little bit later, but
it's the way that you work with, you know, assembling properties
together that had been blighted for years and years, you put together a
plan, you work with the developer, you incentivize the project, and
you're seeing it come out of the ground today.
Another subtle one that's been kind of lost in the discussion is
what's happened years ago which is really the stormwater project that
sits within the triangle. And if you're familiar with the area, you
know there is heavy flooding in that area for years and years. The
CRA worked with Stormwater and Transportation and, you know,
put together a -- basically assembled a pond and pump station to be
able to move the water in. And it has been tremendously successful
over the years and to the point where there could be some expansion
down the road, and that's something we'll talk about as well. But it
kind of speaks to the idea of redevelopment through the private sector
and also building infrastructure that supports the community and
helps with property values, which is a lot of what the CRAs are
about.
You know, before I get into the actual details of this, you know,
we wanted to follow the theme of quality of place and community
outreach, but I do want to step back -- and this goes for both CRAs.
You don't appreciate, until you're with the staff on a day-to-day basis,
how much on the front lines they are. You know, from a daily
issue -- we'll have a code enforcement complaint, we'll have an issue
pop up where there's something that went wrong, and we have to
coordinate and, you know, the team -- you know, Shirley and Tami
and Yvonne, Christie, they're out in the field. They're out with the
community. They are making sure that they're addressing the issues.
They're working with the departments necessary to help with the
cleanup. And it's -- it's not just Monday through Friday, you know,
8 to 5. It's weekends. It's Sundays. It's nighttime. It's middle of
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the night sometimes they'll get complaints. When there's a storm
event, they're running out there, and I want to kind of acknowledge
that, that that's kind of the -- you know, the heart and soul of the
CRAs, their ability to respond to the community and work -- you
know, and work with the community to help improve it.
And so when we talk about quality of place, we talk about
outreach first and foremost, what we're trying to do engaging, you
know, vision, innovation and progress, understanding what the role of
the CRA is so that we can help support the community.
But there is the tough side of it, and this is one that -- you know,
when Al and I were talking about that, you know, in the Bayshore
area basically, when the CRA was created, a lot of the blight had to
do with homelessness, prostitution, drug use in the community and
trying to get out in front of that.
And so one of the challenges that remains in Bayshore is,
frankly, the unhoused property issue and the encampments that occur.
They pop up. We address them. They move. We address them.
They pop up. And it's kind of a recycle.
You know, there's obviously challenges. There's a lot of social
service offerings in the area. But you realize that as you start
revitalizing the community, that it's going to get less and less,
and -- but staying out front and not accepting the as-is condition in
hopes of something down the road is something that we also
aggressively pursue, which is getting out front and doing cleanups.
And, you know, the pro and the con of that is the Sheriff's Office
will come in and say, "Can we help out?" And one of the challenges
we've seen here sometimes it's on private property, too. And it's do
you handle it as a code enforcement issue amongst private properties
and handle liability, or do you just get out there and help fix it? And
that's one of the challenges we've had. But when you see that six
tons of trash and garbage are removed in a single sitting, you know
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there's being an impact out there.
Neighborhood cleanups, these are more of the front-end positive
ones. This was the Gateway/Triangle neighborhood cleanup in May.
Went out there and removed three tons of garbage. And it just goes
to show ownership in the community, volunteerism, keeping the
community actively engaged in what the CRA's trying to do.
Countywide cleanups and collaboration. Obviously, Haldeman
Creek's a waterway. It's a great waterway, if you haven't been in
there. I got a chance to tour it a few weeks ago and will probably be
bringing up ideas how we access it a little bit more through the CRA.
But getting in there and cleaning up the waterway and taking
ownership of that as well.
And, you know, I wanted to take a moment to talk about crime
statistics, you know, to see "Is it working?" Because one of the
issues that we -- you know, when we first created the CRA back in
2000, was heavy crime areas. And to see the statistical numbers of
what we're seeing between year over year, we are starting to see a
drop. We're starting to see a drop in the numbers of our crime
statistics.
If you see, from 2002 to -- 2022 to 2023, we've seen a pretty
significant drop in some of the cases. And so we want to continue to
work closely with the Sheriff's Office. They're our partner. They
come to every CRA meeting. They give a report. They're closely
in contact with our staff on a regular basis. They tell us where the
hot spots are. We tell them where we're seeing activity. It truly is
a -- you know, a relationship that we work very closely with.
On the positive side, art in public places. You know, you're
going to hear discussions about that. And first of all, I want to thank
you for the board action you took a few weeks ago. We had a
sculpture that had been proposed as a donation about three years ago,
and there was a lot of issues about whether it should move forward,
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whether it shouldn't, working through that. With your support, we
got that done.
And so we're happy about that. But there's also discussions,
too, about some of the older buildings. And I know that word
"mural" has been something that's been a challenge to manage in the
community. And there was pretty much a moratorium put on it in, I
think, 2018. But we'd like to think about revisiting that and bringing
it back as an advisory board to make recommendations.
I think Karen made an excellent suggestion at our last meeting
about having themed murals and murals that just aren't at the whim of
somebody else. We actually have to work closely with the County
Attorney's Office in how you manage that and things along those
lines. But to be able to bring out -- because arts in public places was
something that was a staple of the Bayshore/Gateway Triangle for
years and years, and we don't want to completely lose sight of that
through the redevelopment.
I mentioned to you this in my opening presentation. You know,
time is not -- not our friend when it comes to the sunset. So you've
got five years left, and one of the things I wanted to look at in
working with Chris Johnson's office is, you know, what is the
projected value. And I will couch this by saying this is a very
conservative number. It doesn't take into account some of the
discounts of some of the bigger buildings, but it is -- when you look
at historical numbers of percentage of growth and you look at what
he calculated in, it's a very conservative number.
But the point I wanted to make is, you know, you've got about
$16 million obligated in projects. You're looking at about
$18-million-plus of future projects in five years, and if we're not
planning them now, we're going to lose sight of those.
And so I wanted to kind of reiterate kind of the idea of
priority-based budgeting is we have prioritized -- and we'll show you
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some of the projects we have later on, because that's kind of the bread
and butter of the Bayshore/Gateway Triangle infrastructure plan.
But there's more to come, and there's going to be more ideas. But
we're going to have to be very aggressive in working with the
advisory board and very aggressive in working with the Board of
County Commissioners to make recommendations to move forward
with future projects.
And I put in the number $1.6 billion because I just wanted to
show in taxable value. If you go back to my opening presentation,
and you were somewhere around $280 million when the
Bayshore/Gateway Triangle started, now you're at 1.6 billion, you've
seen a significant increase in what has happened. And when I show
you some of the recent permits, you're also going to see some trends
that are fairly interesting, frankly, that you're seeing that the
community momentum of development is occurring. Bayshore is
redeveloping and will continue to.
Just from a budget standpoint -- I'm not going to spend a lot of
time on this individually. My take-home message on this -- and
you've seen these numbers in your budget presentations -- is we've
lumped a lot of projects within stormwater and so forth. We're still
working on honing in the actual numbers of what it's going to cost for
some of these projects. They're in design. They're not to 60 percent
or 90 percent what we typically have of opinion of probable cost, but
we're really trying to get our arms around that, and that's one of the
things I'm working closely with Marshall's group and Trinity's group
is really kind of getting an understanding of what some of these
capital projects you're going to see are actually going to cost.
Because as we know, you know, projects don't normally go down in
costs; they normally go up.
And so we're going to work on getting this more of a
project-based budget where you can actually see here's what the
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value of each project's going to cost down the road and not in more
general buckets of stormwater program and so forth.
I can skip over most of these slides. These are just a different
way. But, you know, the grants I mentioned to you before, $5.8
million, when you compared it against Immokalee's over the years, I
think we can -- there's opportunity here. I think there's some
opportunity in Bayshore for looking at other grants within the area,
and it doesn't mean you have to hire somebody. It doesn't
mean -- you know, there's different ways of getting at grants that we
can do within our means that we'll be kind of strategizing on to bring
back to the Board.
From the MSTU standpoint, basically, this is, you know, as I
said, a slide I'm not going to spend a lot of time on. It just shows
that, you know, we're growing from the MSTU budget. In the
MSTU specifically, there's an ongoing maintenance need. You
know, a lot of the capital projects of the brick pavers and everything
else that were done were done 20-plus years ago, and we're seeing it
aging. We'll show you a little bit of a cross-section as a highlight,
but we're working closely with Trinity's group to look at how we can
do some improvements along the walkways and beautification that
kind of modernize it a little bit.
There again, Haldeman Creek. Haldeman Creek, you know, it
was created in, I think, 2005/2006. This was kind of discussion
where the County Manager at the time said, "You know, we'll do the
last dredging, but you guys need to be on the hook to own your own
dredging in the area." They created the MSTU. We're getting
ready to start doing a spot survey of what's going to be needed in the
dredging, but really, where this fund is right now, it's banking money
so that when the time comes to do the dredging project, we're going
to be ready. And so we're getting closer on that, but we're doing the
spot survey to see what's necessary in Haldeman Creek.
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Community development, economic development through
private investment. So, you know, this is a highlight of a lot of -- a
lot of the innovation and projects that have come along within the
CRA that we're seeing in the revitalization. And this is, you know,
truly the private sector working closely with the CRA. In some
cases there's some incentivizations, but most of the times it's really
getting out of the way of the private sector and letting them do what
they need to do.
We do encounter cases where they request deviations in parking,
and they request deviations sometimes in density, and those are tools
that we have at our disposal, but we like to use them with a
measured -- with measured success, you know, and we may get some
feedback from our advisory board on that a little bit later.
The Gateway Triangle catalyst project, you know, purchased in
2009. I mentioned this before, you know, blighted area, you know,
assembled the properties together, you know, had to deal with a cell
tower, then worked with the developer and came up with an idea, you
know, for a mixed-use development; hotel, apartments, and retail.
What you see on there right now is the apartment side of it that's
being constructed. The hotel and retail are going to come later.
But, you know, from a project perspective, we did incentivize it in
terms of giving TIF rebate, you know, to get that done. So there's a
10-year rebate as it addresses that project and working through it.
I do want to mention -- and I might as well put it, you know, on
the record that there -- you know, the mural is under discussion about
what has been constructed so far and whether it's within the permit
limits. And so I think that will be probably coming back to the
Board in a future discussion potentially.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: It's amazing -- it's amazing
the opinions that you end up with when you start with these murals.
Remember -- and I'm going to use our three entry signs into
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Immokalee. Oh, my goodness. And so you -- when you
start -- when you start with something that large all of a sudden,
people come out of the woodwork to express their opinion. So good
luck with that, by the way.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Hostile crowd.
MR. DUNNUCK: This is -- this is a really interesting number
to me. And I went through some of the history -- I don't have it all
here in the history to show to you-all. But when you look at 2023,
you actually see that the residential value is actually higher than the
commercial value for the first time. And you're seeing that truly it is
a balanced approach that is going on in this CRA where last year the
commercial was higher because I think it had the -- you know, it had
the catalyst project budget in that number. But what you're seeing is
almost a balanced trend of residential and commercial value
increasing at the same rate, and I think that's a real important thing,
because it used to be about 3-to-1 commercial to residential, and now
you're actually seeing the residential taking off in that area, which
shows you the infill is working.
These are a couple of the land acquisitions the Board has made
over the past couple years. Del's, obviously, was purchased and with
the idea of downzoning it to making something more compatible with
the community. Charrettes were done in the advisory board level
and gone through and said, "How do you have a little bit of a
mixed-use, you know, proposals?" And I think they had three
conceptual designs. Then it was -- there was some discussion about,
you know, moving something else there. You know, it was one of
these where, hey, the next great idea's coming through. And we kind
of lost sight, and now we're sitting on a piece of property that, you
know, we haven't really pulled the trigger on doing anything, you
know, with in the more recent times.
And to me, this is one of those times where we start thinking
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about, "Let's let the private sector help guide us." I come from a
world where we did procurement, and we put things out -- invitations
to negotiate and had them, you know, tell us what incentives they
needed. Tell us these things that they think are going to make the
project work and determine if it's compatible. Give them some
guideway rails to work through, but, you know, let's get it out there.
Let's market it appropriately and work through it.
And so we're going to be working closely with the advisory
board to kind of bring that together, you know, for some options for
the Board of County Commissioners', you know, consideration.
The 17-acre boardwalk, I know there's been a lot of discussions
about this over the time. You know, the boardwalk is ready to go
out for solicitation. It's literally -- it was supposed to actually go out
this morning, but I think it got moved back a couple days because
they -- we have kind of scheduled the pre-app -- prebid meeting too
close to the actual release of the solicitation, so I wanted to make sure
we had a good period of time for the community to look at it.
I will tell you, in Phase 1 of the boardwalk project, we do not
have on-street parking or on-site parking within the 17 acres. I know
that was a request of the Board to look at. Our initial review of
Round 1 -- and I call this Round 1, Phase 1 -- was that it was going to
cost a little over a million dollars, and we really wanted to see kind of
what the boardwalk value was going to come in as we procure it and
figure out what the amenities are because there's, obviously, different
types of wood you can select, recycled lumber, everything on those
lines. We've built that into the proposal, but until we actually get
those answers back and get what that budget looks like, we wanted to
take a conservative approach.
But then there is going to be a -- you know, acres that's
developable. There's another nine acres developable in how we
work in possibly interacting in a Phase 2 of public parking. And
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there is public parking on the Sugden side of it, you know, as you
walk through. But as you are working through that, that we, then
again, think about, how do we work with the private sector? How do
we work with these kind of areas? What is the best use? And so
we're going to be working closely with the advisory board to make
some recommendations to you-all so that we can address the property
that's been on the books for -- I think when I first started here and we
acquired this property, I was in public services, and we were actually
thinking about turning it -- giving it to the Botanical Garden at the
time. That's how old it goes. It predates the Botanical Garden, this
property. So to see it go to use is something we want to do, and a
walkable community is something that's very important to the
Bayshore area is having places to walk, and this is why it's been such
an important project for the area.
You know, there again, this is one of these where having three
directors in the past year have been a challenge. They started an
initial planning workshop in October, had a subsequent meeting to
narrow down their priorities in November, lost the previous director
in December, and got to a point in March where they kind of
narrowed down their priorities, and I think it came closer down to
seven than 10, but it's something we're going to revisit.
Because as I mentioned to you before, we're looking at priority
projects that -- you know, you develop your priorities outside of a
budget, and then where the numbers fall is what you can afford and,
you know -- but if you've had your priorities and you're focused on
that, you just have to deal with a value, you know, as you have of
what money you have to work with.
And so we're going to continue to work through that, but here's
kind of the short-term -- one to five years. There again, there's your
number of five years of a 2030 sunset -- is stormwater issues. And
Danford Street road maintenance improvements, Shadowlawn
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corridor improvements, dealing with some of the minimum roads that
have flooding on them and have issues and see what we can do to
work there.
Safety and community cleanups, you know, and lighting
projects, sidewalk projects, things that help the walkability of this
community, and then street designs and implementation. And now
I'm going to kind of walk you through kind of the highlights of where
it is we're putting some of that investment.
If you've traveled on Becca, Pine, and Weeks in a storm event,
you know you're sitting in about eight to 10 inches of water driving
through. I watched, frankly, the mailman's truck get stuck one day.
And it floods tremendously. It has nowhere for the water to go.
There's constrainments on the roads and everything. We've been
working closely with the stormwater department initiating design and
working through it.
The delay has occurred a little bit on the fact that -- you know,
to Transportation's credit, they work closely with the City of Naples,
and a lot of the times the lines overact [sic] where maybe -- outside
the city boundaries, but they may have some of their -- their water
issues and some of their pipes that run through it.
And so as we've been working with them, we're replacing these
things together. And so there's a change order in the process of
working through because the city's going to contribute their portion
of it, but we're going to do the project and dig up the road once. And
so we're working through design. But this is one where it definitely
is a bottleneck in terms of moving people around in the community
that we wanted to address.
The Linwood Avenue alley area, there again, is one that has
heavily [sic] flooding. It's in a, you know, industrial area, and
it's -- you know, as I said, there's nowhere for the water to really go,
so we're working on piping and working on a project there. It's like
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everything else, when you're dealing with constrained alleyways and
roadways, you're stuffing a lot of utilities into those areas with not a
lot of access.
And when they're as old as some of these areas are, there's a
challenge. And so Transportation and Stormwater have had to try to
figure out how they handle all of those deviations and challenges
along the way working closely with George Yilmaz's team to see
what we can do because, you know, I think the Plan B is we'd have to
acquire some easements otherwise, and it's -- as I said, it's a
constrained area, and it's very difficult.
Danford Street road maintenance, there have been many
iterations of Danford Street improvements, and this is -- if you're
familiar, it's the road that leads to Bayview Park. And, you know,
the -- I think where we're at right now is let's just -- let's get the
maintenance done.
They tried to present to the community about doing some other
projects in the past. Not a lot of consensus in what needed to be
done. It's a very low-lying area in the area and so -- and so -- but
there is a dip in the road, and I think they're looking at a cross-section
where we can do some stormwater improvements and some roadway
improvements as far as maintenance goes to improve the viability of
that road.
Short-term, you know, safety, you know, obviously, some
sidewalk projects to ensure that the kids who are walking in that area
who are going to Shadowlawn Elementary have a safe place to walk.
That's in the books.
Minimum road projects, Andrews, Pine, and Woodside. There
again, these roads are right at grade. They need to be lifted up.
Stormwater improvements so that the water flows in the right
directions. And those are things that the CRA can help, because
what it does is at the end of the day, when you improve the
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infrastructure, you improve the ability of the property value around it.
And that's kind of the take-home of handling some of these projects.
I will tell you there's other roadways that have a lot of
nonconforming-use approvals that are more of a challenge, and we're
going to have to see what that return on investment lift looks like to
improve some of those for the greater good. But there is some
challenge in some of these older roads that basically have allowed
nonconforming uses in the past that are difficult to work around.
Another sidewalk project, Captain's Cove, Areca Avenue,
Pineland Avenue. As I mentioned, you know, this is about, you
know, making walkability in the area. We have a lot of commuters,
just like Immokalee do. We have a lot of people who walk to where
they need to go.
Solar, you know, pedestrian. We're trying out a pilot project,
have pedestrian, you know, streetlighting or walkway lighting. And
it's a lot cheaper. You don't have to build quite the infrastructure.
So we're actually going to test pilot that.
I mentioned the cross-section. You know, this is about, you
know, preserving what we have. You know, Bayshore is going to
be -- you know, the CRA may be sunsetting, but the MSTU
won't -- but to get in and do some improvement, because the capital
side of the CRA and the MSTU have kind of intertwined over the
years. So they kind of work together in their projects. They don't
say, "This is an MSTU project, this is a CRA project." They
collaborate.
And so there could be, you know, some additional collaboration
of the CRA's investment to making sure Bayview's [sic] set up for the
future of the MSTU. And so that's one of the things -- this is not a
finalized. This is just a sketch, but these are the type of things we're
going to be working with the Transportation department and bringing
back recommendations to the Board.
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Simple things like the bus stop covers in the area. Public
transportation, obviously, is heavily utilized in this area, making sure
we build out those in a proper way.
I mentioned Shadowlawn before. You've got a road that has
basically a 50-foot cross-section. You're not going to build a lot of
beautification or things along that, but you can improve the
stormwater, and you can improve the grading of the road. And that's
something, you know, we're going to be looking at and working with
Transportation on in putting a budget together.
And then I mentioned Haldeman Creek. This is just letting you
know that we're getting ready to do the survey following the
hurricane. You know, it doesn't show that it's an absolute need yet
in the main channels, but we're getting to the point now where we
need to do the survey and get the ball rolling. As you said, you
mentioned the last dredging. You know, you've got, you know, 20
years in between, and so we want to make sure that we're staying on
top of that as well.
Just recent accomplishments, this is one of those areas, when
you talk about tools in the toolbox, where, you know, you purchase
some lots. You then put in new housing. You have to deal with
some of the on-street parking versus off-street parking issues and
make maybe some deviations in some of them, but those are some of
the concessions that you work with when you're the CRA and you're
working with the Growth Management Department. You kind of
work collaboratively, say, "What's the best bang for the buck?" And
this is one of those successful projects that took old, dilapidated units
and turned them into cute little houses.
I mentioned Hamilton Avenue improvements. You know, if
you haven't been down there, I mean, we basically doubled the
capacity of boat-trailer parking from Bayview Park with this roadway
improvement. Whoever created that, I have to commend them,
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because it's a great idea. You know, I'm going to mention to you
before [sic], Bayview Park is a challenge for the CRA because of
some of the -- how the park is utilized in terms of, you know, special
events, weekends, holidays. We get heavily utilized traffic.
Bayview, obviously, is one of the -- you know, the top boat ramps in
terms of activities in closeness to where people want to go, whether it
be Keewaydin Island or around. And so there is a heavy burden on
that, and it burdens the community. But this beautification has been
very successful.
We had to, before Memorial Day weekend, put bollards out on
the parts of the area that were grassed because we had so much trailer
parking coming over the top. And we do see evidence -- on heavy
holidays, people are actually parking at the Del's parking lot now.
They've actually gotten innovative, and there's a person who will
drive them down in a golf cart, pick them up, and drive them to the
park.
And so we've been working with Parks and Recreation. Ed
Finn and I have been talking to -- you know, about other alternatives
in working with James' group. But, you know, one of the things
we're going to have to catch up in is -- and I know they're working on
it -- is the AUIR Parks and Rec needs a little updating to show the
demand, to show what you're dealing with in terms of the impacts to
the community. But there is a little bit of a pain factor for the CRA.
Projects and progress, you know, this is one where we had the
green-laning, and it didn't work. And the fact of the matter is there's
new technology now that in the striping you can actually put the loud
bumping sound into the striping that keeps people from straying off.
We did have somebody hit by a car riding their bicycle, you know, I
want to say, what, a little less than a year ago. And we've been
working on this, and it does make a big difference. If somebody's
not paying attention on their phone and they hear that bumping
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sound -- and aesthetically it looks a lot nicer. And so that has been a
project that has been completed underway -- or underway and
completed.
I mentioned to you before the challenges in the CRA sunset.
You know, time is not our friend. We need to be executing,
executing, executing. We still have unhoused issues that require
coordination with non-for-profits in the area and with law
enforcement. As I said, we keep a pretty good handle on it, but it's a
little bit of a moving target. I think redevelopment is the key in the
area.
Working with Parks and Rec to address community concerns of
the operation of Bayview Park, we've had some really good
conversations with the team over there. And so we're going to be
coordinating some recommendations down the road for you-all to
review.
And land acquisition necessary to support stormwater expansion
off Francis. You know, we've had some opportunity to purchase -- I
mentioned and I highlight that project in the Triangle, the stormwater
project. We had some opportunity to purchase, and we bought a
couple properties.
But the question is, are we going to go all in and buy a property
and have it ready for the expansion that stormwater would need for
the future? And those are the kind of big-ticket items that -- you
know, we're already dealing with property values increasing because
of what we've done in the area. We have redevelopment requests
coming around in that area. And so do you get out in front of it and
buy the land now, and, you know, reserve it for the future project, or
do you just say, it's too far gone and we're going to let it go? And so
we're going to be addressing that issue and providing some
recommendations.
And then I mentioned to you before, the future of Del's and the
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17-acre properties. You know, I don't think the key was to keep
those things on the tax rolls -- or keep them off the tax rolls and
sitting there in abeyance. It was to redevelop them and bring
something back to the community, and we want to get that done.
Special thanks -- and we mentioned to you in the Immokalee
before, this takes a village, and so, you know, there isn't one area.
We have to work with everybody, and they've done a great job. The
team has been awesome in my two months. As I said, I've had
incredible conversations with my peers and -- strategy-wise, and
everybody's supportive, and we just need to continue to work -- work
with that.
And then as I finish up, I just want to, you know, reiterate the
staff, the staff, the staff. You know, I have an incredible staff. Poor
Shirley has been running around with me, you know, asking for data
on certain things here and there in, you know, the past couple weeks.
And, you know, they've just really done an incredible job in support
of both this and everything we do.
So with that, I'll open up for questions.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Good presentation. I've got
one question about the boardwalk that connects Sugden to the other
side.
I heard what you said, and we all know about the -- still the
discussion about the parking. But what is the very latest
on -- because we've talked about it sort of in fragmented pieces here
at times. And it's not in my district, so maybe there's been several,
you know, meetings with maybe Commissioner Kowal, and I'm just
not up to speed.
But for the group, what's the very latest on the plan, the timeline,
the loose ends, everything? Just give me a little bit of a deeper dive,
because I actually get a lot of questions about it. That area used to
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be in my district, and some people still think it is. And so, you
know, they're very supportive of it but feel like it's just a hypothetical
idea, and it hasn't really come together, and, you know -- so what can
you tell us in a nutshell as to where it sits right now?
MR. DUNNUCK: No, it is. It's engineered. It's designed.
It's packaged in Procurement and ready to hit the -- this is budgeted.
It's ready to hit the street. We actually thought it was going to hit the
street this morning.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yeah. That's what you said,
yeah.
MR. DUNNUCK: And we delayed it two days because in the
discussions when I saw the last procurement package, it basically had
us putting it out today and having a prebid meeting on Friday, and
that's typically -- you normally give about a 10-day buffer because,
you know, somebody interested in bidding on the project may not
open it for the first three days, and you don't want to already have the
prebid meeting.
So we intentionally pushed it back, and I think we're releasing it,
I want to say, Friday. I think we're releasing it this coming Friday
with that 10-day buffer. But after that, it will be on the street till
early September. We will review the bid package. It's a straight
invitation to bid. It has, basically, quantities and qualities of, you
know, different types of finishes so that we can see, you know, where
it's coming in at and where we are. But our intent is to be able to
bring award to you in the fall and start construction immediately.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Okay.
MR. DUNNUCK: And so that is -- that's -- yeah, it's a very
real project, and it's coming.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Okay. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner Kowal.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Thank you, Chair.
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I'd like to applaud you guys also because I've tried to attend as
many meetings as I can from time to time, and I think you even
caught me in one of those pictures at our workshop there. I was
standing at the podium there talking to --
MR. DUNNUCK: That picture was intentional.
COMMISSIONER KOWAL: Oh, okay. Document it.
No, it's been a challenge. I mean, I came into this position, and
we had one director and got another one, and he was a ball of fire,
and then woke up one morning and somebody said he left. So I was
like, "Oh, this ain't good."
But, no. John, so far we've had several meetings in my office,
and they've all been good. I think you have the same vision I kind of
have for the district in moving forward. I know we don't have much
time in, you know, getting -- like, Commissioner McDaniel said, like,
in Immokalee, when you have the infrastructure in place, you have
those -- those things done and -- or either slated to be done, and we
know it's going to happen. That helps some of the other investors
wanting to take -- get a piece of the pie and move into the area and
then make those investments.
And just like I said -- once again, you know, you guys know I
came from the Sheriff's Department. I spent many years on the
Bayshore area, you know, and the issues we had over 20 years ago
and, you know, 15, 20 years ago. And it was, it was one of the
toughest areas in Collier County. I mean, people tell their kids to
avoid it.
But that's not what it's like today. I mean, today's totally
different. People seek to go there. I know people pay thousands
and thousands of dollars to belong to certain clubs along the roadway
there, you know, just to be part of it, you know, to wind -- and that's
due to a lot of private investors willing to take a chance on that area
because I think they see the vision and where it's going and what it
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can be, you know.
Once again, the mural on the building, I must admit, I was
driving down the road a few weeks ago, and I saw it, and at that point
it was just a bunch of, like, black lines. And as I'm getting closer,
I'm, oh, my God, the concrete's cracking. I thought the building, the
concrete was cracking on the backside -- on the east side of the
building. And as I got closer, I'm like, no, somebody's intentionally
putting those things on there. And then a few weeks later I see
this -- I call it urban camouflage painting with these multicolors
looking on it. So I did ask some questions, because that happened a
long time before I came on the Board. I just want to know if that
was actually what was picked and approved. So I know we're still
waiting to research some of this stuff and move forward on that,
because I did get some people call me right away, and it was like,
"Do you know about this?" I'm like, "Not really, but we're going to
find out." So that's good.
You know, people have to understand our CRA is probably
some of the oldest infrastructure and some of the oldest properties in
Collier County. I mean, they've been there from -- this is where it all
started, and it branched out east and north and, you know -- and south
from this area. So it is a challenge. It's not like -- in Immokalee,
you have some blank palettes up there to work with. You know, you
can say, all right, we can put something beautiful and new here.
The problem we have in our CRA down in District 4 is that a lot
of these properties are owned by other people, you know, and you
can't hold a gun to somebody's head and say, "Hey, we've got to do
this or that." You know, we have to get the community all involved
and get these people to have some of these older blighted properties
willing to participate.
So I think this -- in my opinion, I think we need to really work
on the PR, you know, and putting it out there what we are, what we
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intend on doing, and get people involved, and then those properties
that are owned by, you know, the taxpayers -- and I know I've told
you, John, you know, I think it's -- it would behoove us to use some
sort of marketing to get it out there. Because when we get that
boardwalk done, I want the people in Sugden Park to walk on that
boardwalk and have something to go to other than just coming into,
of course, Bayshore itself and the other thing, but it would be nice to
have, like, something in the park saying, "Hey, go this way. There's
a restaurant and a coffee shop, and this, you know, you can walk to,
you know, and participate in and then go back to the park or vice
versa." You know, I think that's important that we get out there and
market this and have a vision of what we want there. You know, put
it out and say, "This is what we're looking for," to the private sector
and say, "Hey, let's invest your dollars, because look what's going
on." We can show them what's going on. And I know -- I know
there's some big plans for some of the marinas improving, coming in
the future here. I've spoken to some people, individuals that own the
marinas that want to invest a lot of their own money in coming real
soon.
So these are things we have to, like, have open minds about as
we move forward, and then keep that a vision and keep that look, you
know, throughout the whole community.
But, no, I'm looking forward to working with you, John, and the
rest of the Board as we move forward, because we've got a lot of
heavy lifting to do in the next five years.
But I think we have the staff in place and the people and the
Board up here that, I know with my other colleagues, that they
understand the vision and what it takes to improve this community
the way we want to see it done. So thank you.
CHAIRMAN HALL: Commissioner McDaniel.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Yes. You know, I'd like
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to -- you know, I have a couple of suggestions. Number 1 -- and I
don't know whether -- and I know the MSTU and the CRA pretty
much joined together, but the dredging of Haldeman Creek is
imperative. That manages stormwater. That manages tidal surge.
That manages an enormous amount of commerce for navigability for
the waterway itself.
I can -- I used to keep my boat at Gulf Shore Marina there back
when it was Kelly Road, not Bayshore Drive. And I remember
dodging appliances and things in that crick when I was coming
through with my boat. So moving that forward, I think, is huge and
instrumental.
On that note, do some investigation. In Bonita there is a
bioreactor that Bonita Springs has installed as a community to
manage stormwater on public land, and it's an amazing water-quality
system that's in place, removes phosphorus, nitrogen, nutrients that
leach into the stormwater, and it's very successful. It's just off the
Imperial River, and they have had an enormous amount of success.
So I heard you talk a lot about stormwater management, and we
all know when you're dealing with a mature community -- not aged,
but a mature community, you have construction that's been going on
there for a millennia with elevation changes that have shifted over the
years and caused a lot of flooding. So managing the stormwater is
critical.
I'd like, at some stage -- and I know we talked a little bit about it
with Immokalee -- to have maybe a more regular report as to what's
going on. We talk -- we've talked a lot about the end of the CRA,
but the MSTU isn't going away. The community involvement isn't
going away.
We've talked about the new $1.6 billion worth of taxable value
within the CRA bounds. I'd like to have some discussions with our
board about appropriating proportionate share of resources, which is
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revenue, back into the ongoing maintenance, the replacement of
matured infrastructure that's, in fact, there already, and making sure
that the plan is in place when -- when the CRA is done, that we're
still carrying the vision of the community forward as a community
that we've got the necessary budgeted resources. And while we're in
that process of our priority-based budgeting for the entire county, that
we utilize the priorities that are already established by the community
to make sure that the funding is, in fact, appropriated.
So -- and last but not least, I've been -- I've been knowing you
folks for a long time, and I thank you for your service to the
community and what you've done for that revitalization. I've lived
here almost as long as Commissioner Saunders, not quite, but I -- the
revitalization is off the chart.
MR. DUNNUCK: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN HALL: So we're almost finished. Hang in
there, Terri.
We'll go to Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah, I'll be brief.
First of all, another great presentation, so thank you. And thank
you for all the folks that have worked to put this together and have
been working over the years for the redevelopment of the whole
Bayshore area.
A quick question for the County Attorney and then a comment.
In terms of the ending date, it's always nice to have a deadline to get
stuff done. Right now you have a five-year deadline. But that's not
cast in stone. And my question is: In renewing and extending
CRAs, is there any limitation on that in terms of can you extend a
CRA for a year, for two years, or does it have to be larger increments
than that?
MR. KLATZKOW: I believe we can extend it as far as the
Board wants to.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So if we decided that in five
years you need a couple more years, we could add two years to the
extension; it wouldn't have to be another 10 years?
MR. KLATZKOW: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: All right. And I mention
that because a few years back there was a discussion about extending
the CRA. I didn't feel at that time, because you had 10 years left on
it, that that was an appropriate time to extend it; that it would be more
appropriate to get closer to the ending point. We're going to get
fairly close to that pretty soon.
And so I think my message would be, you've got a five-year
plan, because that's the deadline, but if you need to -- if this needs to
be massaged so that -- if you need another year or two, I would say,
"Go for it," because we do have the ability -- and I don't know that
the Board would object to an extension for a year or two or three. I
would not entertain a 10-year extension today, as an example, but
maybe next year, the year after, if you've got a plan that takes you a
little bit longer than the five years you have now, then I think this
board would be more than willing to extend that to give you that
flexibility.
So it's a hard deadline right now but one with some flexibility, I
think, that can be worked into it.
And I enjoy going down to Bayshore. I go down there
frequently, and so I really -- and I do remember going back to
Bayshore back in the old days where you really did have to worry
about whether you were safe during the day and at night, especially.
And so things are so much better, and it's really a credit to all of the
folks that have been working with this Bayshore CRA over the last
time period that you've been working on this. So thank you for that.
It's a great success.
CHAIRMAN HALL: And, lastly, you know, on the five-year
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thing, to quote the Grinch, "One man's trash is another man's
potpourri." And I personally like you being under the gun to get it
done, and, you know, if you know you've got two years extension,
you'll take the two years. So I like the fact that you're under the gun,
and I look forward to seeing what's going to come out here in the
near future.
And with that, we'll adjourn this meeting and take a 15-minute
break and be back at 11:05 to start the commissioner meeting.
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There being no further business for the good of the County, the
meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 10:50 a.m.
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