HC MSTU Minutes 04/01/2024 April 1, 2024
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April 1, 2024 Meeting Minutes
HALDEMAN CREEK MSTU MINUTES FOR APRIL 1, 2024
The meeting of the Haldeman Creek MSTU Advisory Committee was called to order by Roy
Wilson at 3:30 p.m. at 3299 Tamiami Trail E, 3rd Floor BCC Chambers, Naples, FL 34112.
1. Roll Call: Roy Wilson, Chairman, Bill Robbins, Bob Bynum, (?), Shirley Garcia,
Program Manager, Tami Scott, Program Manager
2. Pledge of Allegiance: Led by Roy Wilson.
3. Adoption of Agenda:
?: Motion to approve the agenda. ?
Bob Bynum: Seconds the motion. Approved unanimously. ?
4. Public to be Heard: None.
5. Approval of Minutes for November 6, 2023:
?: Motion to approve the agenda as written. ?
Bob Bynum: Seconds the motion. Approved unanimously. ?
6. Community/Business – Presentations: None
7. Old Business:
a. Derelict Boat in Haldeman Creek Update (Attachment)
Shirley Garcia: Has been removed and is now off our list.
7. b. Marker 16 Replacement Update
Shirley Garcia: We did get a buoy because poles would not go into that area due
to too much rock.
7. c. Bathymetric Survey Scope Draft (Attachment)
Shirley Garcia: In your packet is a memorandum of a snippet of what the scope
was from 2019 and I also put in suggestions. There are additional ideas from 2006
if you would like me to add those – for a deeper scope if you would prefer.
Roy Wilson: All the legal information and format that one would need to use we
have talked about this before. We want to get very clear in this scope that they
survey the depths in a way to make a comparison to the post construction survey
that Shirley handed out, and I refer to that as baseline. After the dredge they did
the post survey – go back to that and then summarize it for us in such a way to
analyze it; identify areas for possible dredge; and recommendations. When I met
with Mr. Rodriguez, he talked about having access to engineers that are on the
county payroll and the idea that I picked up was he is going to supplement that
perhaps with some new hires. I would like to have a scenario, Shirley, where we
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get an engineering head involved as we go through this request for proposal and
then the analysis, the type of analysis that's actionable for us. I'd like somebody to
be able to take us through so we know where there are problem spots and where
the original dredge company could not dredge to the depth we needed.
We will need an estimate of what it would cost to address this, but more
importantly we want to get real information back that we can deal with. There are
hard surface locations that the earlier dredge could not remove. If that buildup
consists of shells and other matter (calcified/dense material underneath the dirt –
not base rock), you can remove that, but it takes a different approach to dredging.
The permit said dredge and not remove rock.
Tami Scott: You should request an opinion of what it will cost to get back to the
2006 dredge – what the elevations were at that point in time because that's the
baseline.
Further discussion ensued regarding the canals, measurements not specified, the
prior dredging company has closed its doors, get the original bid document,
documentation from 20 years ago that cannot be found, the need for all
measurements. Pull up the information from the last one done with Ian – 2019 –
and look at that.
(Shirley found the dredge documents from 2019 and discussion ensued.) I
recommend we look at those stormwater inlets because most of them are failing
and it's tilting in because those stormwater outlets and inlets are failing. I would
like to work with stormwater to see if (a) they could do an inspection on the
stormwater and outlets and inlets before we do a bathymetric, to do their
determination, and is it on private property or (b) is it something that stormwater
would handle and then maybe we could partner with them?
7. d. Draft Ordinance (Attachment)
Roy Wilson: I would move that Staff proceed with the appropriate steps with the
draft ordinance that we have in front of us with the goal of it being presented to
the Board of County Commissioners.
?: Seconds the motion.
Shirley Garcia: We would have to go through the county manager's office and
have them read over it thoroughly and then it goes to the attorney's office. We will
have to meet with the Director of Code Enforcement and the Director of GMD
and sit down and review it.
In the existing ordinance, the only thing that we are adding is: Any obstacle,
vegetative of degree, organic grain, non-organic, which obstructs free passage or
presents a potential hazard to the free passage of vessels in the waterways within
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the Halderman Creek MSTU boundary, or abutting the Haldeman Creek
boundary, is hereby prohibited and declared a public nuisance. (Page 2-3, Section
11, Subsection 7)
You can trim the mangroves if they do not die.
Motion passes unanimously.
8. New Business
a. Mileage Neutral or Tax Neutral
Roy Wilson: I would recommend a motion for mileage neutral again this year.
?: Seconds the motion. Approved unanimously.
b. Appointment of Chair
?: I will make a motion for Roy Wilson to remain as Chairman.
?: I second that. Approved unanimously.
c. Appointment of Vice Chair
?: I make a motion to nominate Bob Wopperer as Vice Chair.
?: I will second that. Approved unanimously.
d. MSTU Residents’ Informational Dissemination Discussion
Roy Wilson: Part of my reason for getting this (Information Guide for Waterfront
Property Owners) on the agenda is we need somebody to do some forward-
thinking work on this. Shirley can bring anybody up to date on the information
package we put together.
The residents have an obligation to have their dock or sea wall showing their
address. We might need a separate flyer related to vegetation while we are waiting
for the draft ordinance to go through the process.
Shirley Garcia: I can make it in a newsletter format so as not to offend anyone.
We want to make sure that everyone is educated – maintenance of docks,
dressing, and vegetation information. I can also include the ordinance that it is
applicable to.
Further discussion on cross-checking and verifying all the addresses; use of a
drone; ordinance includes size and color and what should be on your dock or sea
wall to identify your address.
?: Volunteers to assist in this effort and will work with Jacob and Shirley to get as
much done prior to his leaving Florida for a few months.
9. Staff Report
a. Financials (Attachment)
Shirley Garcia: Explained the changes in the financials. More revenue from
Fisherman’s Landing. Shirley will find out what Courthouse Shadow will
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contribute because they have not completed their permitting and will send an
email with the information. There are several new projects coming on Arbutus
and Mangrove, so that's going to be contributing and several other projects that
are coming on the waterway too, and I can include them.
Roy Wilson: Discussed how the mileage rate affects revenue; hard to determine
at this time what it will cost to re-dredge, if needed. We're collecting income at
what I call a very conservative rate. The original dredge was not to solve
everybody's problem.
10. Correspondence and Communication
a. Homeless Camping Fill Article (Attachment)
b. Sidewalk to Shelter Article (Attachment)
11. Public Comments
- Attendee: Overgrowth canal trimming: no permit needed; cannot use heavy machinery;
mangrove is sideline trimming of about 10% ( in the brochure as well as information
about vacant lots, vegetation removal permit, etc.)
Depth of the canals; low tide, high tide or mean low tide; private property is not dredged;
east of Bayshore was 20 feet wide and two feet deep at low tide – however boats
encounter mud – it kicks up, can’t get the boat in our out – no one on the east side was
satisfied; our charge of the HC MSTU is to maintain what was done; no definitive
timeline for re-dredging; homeowner could pay to get it done; partner with the MSTU to
get the east end done; grant money/funding for docks, letters/numbers on the dock and/or
sea walls or staff for dredging; CRA has a residential grant program.
12. Staff Comments: None
13. Advisory Board General Communications
Roy Wilson: Debris coming in with storm water and how to manage it; 2185 Sheepshead
Drive Royal Harbor – large new home built and will probably build a dock – the marker
needs to be moved (part of City of Naples) – Shirley with check with Code Enforcement
regarding the movement of the marker; 2977 Cypress – renewing the sea walls and
cement debris is falling into the water – Shirley will call the engineering inspectors to
have them check it out; Shirley will look into creating a grant program for sea walls for
Haldeman Creek and perhaps partner with the CRA; Three60 Market on Bayview and
Celebration Park – proliferation of boats and/or jet skis – Shirley will look into the
permits or SDPI.
14. Next Meeting Date
TBD
15. Adjournment
Meeting adjourned at 5:30 p.m
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Roy Wilson, Chairman