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CLB Minutes 10/16/2007 R October 16, 2007 TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE COLLIER COUNTY CONTRACTOR LICENSING BOARD Naples, Florida October 16, 2007 LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Collier County Contractor Licensing Board, in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on this date at 9:00 a.m. in REGULAR SESSION in Building "F" of the Government Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the following members present: CHAIRMAN: Les Dickson Michael Boyd Syd Blum Eric Guite' Glenn Herriman Lee Horn Richard Joslin Ann Keller Robert Lewis ALSO PRESENT: Robert Zachary, Assistant County Attorney Patrick Neale, Attorney for the CLB Michael Ossorio, Contractor Licensing Supervisor Torn Bartoe, Collier County Licensing & Compliance Officer Page 1 AGENDA COLLIER COUNTY CONTRACTORS' LICENSING BOARD DATE: TUESDAY - OCTOBER 16, 2007 TIME: 9:00 A.M. W. HARMON TURNER BUILDING (ADMINISTRATION BUILDING) COURTHOUSE COMPLEX ANY PERSON WHO DECIDES TO APPEAL A DECISION OF THIS BOARD WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS PERTAINING THERETO, AND THEREFORE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THAT TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ~ I. ROLL CALL II. ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS: III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA: IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: DATE: September 19, 2007 V. DISCUSSION: VI. NEW BUSINESS: Edward Richard - Request to qualify a 2"' entity.. Katherine Grant - Request to qualify a 2"' entity. David Beal - Contesting citation. Michael Chapman - Request painting license reinstated without retesting. VII. OLD BUSINESS: Resolution - Final Draft on Contractor Licensing Fees. VIII PUBLIC HEARINGS: Case #2007-09 Samuel Greenwood d/b/a Greenwood, Inc. Case #2007 -10 Scott Perry d/b/a A+ Air Condo & Heating of SW Florida, Inc. Case #2007 -11 Douglas Scott White d/b/a Guardian Technologies of SW Florida IX. REPORTS: X. NEXT MEETING DATE: WEDNESSDAY DECEMBER 19, 2007 W. HARMAN TURNER BUILDING, 3RD FLOOR 3101 E. TAMIAMI TRAIL (COURTHOUSE COMPLEX) October 16,2007 CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Good morning. I'd like to call to order the meeting of the Collier County Contractor Licensing Board meeting for October. And if I could start with roll call first to my right. MR. HERRIMAN: Glenn Herriman. MR. LEWIS: William Lewis. MR. BLUM: Syd Blum. MS. KELLER: Ann Keller. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Les Dickson. MR. JOSLIN: Richard Joslin. MR. HORN: Lee Horn. MR. BOYD: Michael Boyd. MR. GUITE': Eric Guite'. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Good morning. Welcome everyone. Full forum today. It's been a while. I'd like to first of all look at the agenda from last month, I wasn't here, and thank Mr. Joslin for handling that meeting. But if you'd take a look at the minutes, are there any deletions or additions? If not, I need a motion. MR. JOSLIN: Motion to approve, Joslin. MR. BLUM: Second, Blum. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: All those in favor? MR. JOSLIN: Aye. MR. BOYD: Aye. MR. GUITE': Aye. MS. KELLER: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. MR. BLUM: Aye. MR. LEWIS: Aye. MR. HERRIMAN: Aye. MR. HORN: Opposed? (No response.) Page 2 October 16, 2007 CHAIRMAN DICKSON: So done. Any additions or deletions to the agenda? Mr. Bartoe? MR. BARTOE: Good morning, Mr. Chairman, board members. For the record, I'm Torn Bartoe, Collier County Licensing and Compliance Officer. Under public hearings, Case No. 2007-09, that case will be withdrawn. That matter has been settled. Case No. 2007-11, that case will be continued for the December meeting. It also appears that under new business, Mr. Michael Chapman never got his packet to us, so we could not provide it to the board members. So I'm assuming we will delete that item. And staff has no other additions or deletions at this time. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: The way you were going, I thought we weren't going to have a meeting for a minute. Okay, do I hear a motion to approve the agenda as amended? MR. BLUM: So moved, Blum. MS. KELLER: Second, Keller. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: All those in favor? MR. JOSLIN: Aye. MR. BOYD: Aye. MR. GUITE': Aye. MS. KELLER: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. MR. BLUM: Aye. MR. LEWIS: Aye. MR. HERRIMAN: Aye. MR. HORN: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: With that, let's go discussion. There's none. New business. Edward Richard, are you present? If you would, sir, corne up to this front podium. What I will do is have you state Page 3 October 16, 2007 your name, then the court reporter will swear you in, sir. (Speaker was duly sworn.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: As we're going through your packet, tell us what you're doing and what the gist of why you're here today. MR. RICHARD: I used to own Napier Sprinkler. I had a partner, who's present. We split the company into two companies. I'm taking the pump half of it, he's taking the maintenance half of it. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Would you fix that mic for me. Kind of put it up a little closer. I don't think it's corning through. There you go. MR. RICHARD: Did you hear all that? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I think back in the back she might corne in. That mic's not working. There's the boss. Okay, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but we had to get that corrected. Go ahead. MR. RICHARD: I owned Napier Sprinkler, and me and my partner are splitting the company up. I'm taking the pump half of it, he's taking the maintenance half of it, and I'm looking to hold the license for him. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay, what happened that you let the license lapse or expire? MR. RICHARD: Office mishap. I apologize. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Tell me about it. MR. RICHARD: I never realized it didn't happen till I started checking in and found out that I was actually illegal the way that I was doing my license with the Napier -- I started another company, Napier Enterprises, but I'm still part owner of Napier Sprinkler, so I thought I was covered on the license part. And then I found out I wasn't. And that's why I'm -- that's when I found out my secretary never even got the renewal thing out, and that's why I'm here. I thought since I was still part owner of Napier Sprinkler that my license still covered them, even though I started a new company. And Page 4 October 16, 2007 I don't think that's the way it's supposed to work. MR. OSSORIO: Mr. Chairman, for the record, Michael Ossorio, Contractor Licensing Supervisor. Mr. Napier, you're not here to restate your license, you're here for a second entity; am I correct? MR. RICHARD: Yes, sir. MR. OSSORIO: What company do you qualify at this time? MR. RICHARD: Napier Enterprises. MR. OSSORIO: And what company do you want to qualify? MR. RICHARD: Napier Sprinkler. MR. OSSORIO: So you want to qualifY two companies. MR. RICHARD: Yes. MR. OSSORIO: Your license has not been lapsed, you just opened up a new corporation and you assumed that your license could transfix to the other license -- the other company without going in front of the board. MR. RICHARD: Right. My license actually did lapse -- MR. OSSORIO: But you renewed that. MR. RICHARD: And then I renewed it. And now I want to sponsor him. MR. JOSLIN: So he has an active license as we speak? MR. OSSORIO: Yes, he does. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. Sorry for the confusion, but-- MR. RICHARD: It did lapse, though, and then I just -- MR. GUITE': Any other complaints-- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Have you been before this board before? MR. RICHARD: No, sir. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: You just look familiar to me. Does anybody else have any questions? (No response.) MR. OSSORIO: Mr. Chairman, I have one question. Page 5 October 16,2007 Mr. Napier (sic), how long have you been a licensed contractor in Collier County? MR. RICHARD: I think since '88. I let it expire for a while. I went to work for a supply company and didn't put it on hold. I didn't know I had to do that. So then they actually took it. And then I had to go take the test again and go through the whole thing all over again, which was a while back. MR. JOSLIN: Okay, so Naples Sprinkler is going to do what portion of your business? Just to clarify. MR. RICHARD: He does the maintenance, the inspection of the houses in the community. All I do is the pumps and the lake diving. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: You do Village Walk; is that right? MR. RICHARD: Yes, sir. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Boy, that keeps you busy, doesn't it? MR. RICHARD: (Nods head affirmatively.) We do all the Divosta stuff around town. Pulte now, I guess. MR. JOSLIN: So what you're trying to do is just separate the repair basically from the installations, or -- MR. RICHARD: We don't do installation, we just do maintenance, monthly maintenance. I'm just taking the pump half of it and he's doing the part where you go to everybody's house once a month, turn their sprinklers on and check them and fix them as needed. MR. LEWIS: Mr. Ossorio? MR. OSSORIO: Yes, sir. MR. LEWIS: What is Napier's license good for at this point? What can they do with that? MR. OSSORIO: Irrigation. MR. LEWIS: Any types, forms, from maintenance to installation? MR. OSSORIO: That's correct. MR. LEWIS: Residential and commercial? Page 6 October 16, 2007 MR. OSSORIO: That's correct. MR. BLUM: Does your partner have any intention of getting a license in his own name at any point in time? MR. RICHARD: Yes, sir. I haven't put any deadline on it or anything like that. We're still friends. We all still -- we all work on the same projects basically to this day. MR. BLUM: But it isn't his intent to get a license in his own name? MR. RICHARD: Yes, sir. MS. KELLER: I'm a little confused about the business to be qualified as Napier Sprinkler, and you have business checking in Naples Sprinkler already, two months of checking account. MR. RICHARD: That's his checking. MR. JOSLIN: I'm missing a credit report on this or is this -- MS. KELLER: So where is the financial data for your company? The company that's already qualified. MR. RICHARD: She didn't ask for my stuff. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: He's already licensed. MS. KELLER: The new company is not supposed to have an account, so I'm just a little confused about it. MR. BLUM: You're qualifYing somebody that's already in business and operating, it appears. MR. RICHARD: Yes, sir. Like I said, I mistakenly thought that my license covered him because I was still part owner ofthe company, and I found out that that is not correct. MR. OSSORIO: Mr. Lewis, if I could -- MR. RICHARD: Now I've got to do the same thing in Lee County, too. MR. LEWIS: Let me see if I can help him out. You originally owned Napier Sprinkler. MR. RICHARD: Yes, sir. MR. LEWIS: You sold-- Page 7 October 16, 2007 MR. RICHARD: I was president. MR. LEWIS: -- a portion of it to your partner-- MR. RICHARD: Yes. MR. LEWIS: -- who now is continuing to operate Napier Sprinkler. You in turn decided to go into repairing pumps and thought that you were licensed because you are the license holder which is licensing Napier Sprinkler, you thought it would also do Napier Enterprises, which is the pump division; is that true? MR. RICHARD: Well, I eventually went and changed it to Napier Enterprises and that's when I found out that I had to do this to cover him, even though I'm still part owner. MR. BLUM: So Napier Sprinkler is still legally licensed. MR. LEWIS: Unlicensed. MR. BLUM: Napier Sprinkler is -- MR. LEWIS: Napier Sprinkler is unlicensed. That's why he's applying to license a second entity. MR. BLUM: So his company is licensed under-- MR. LEWIS: Correct. MR. RICHARD: Yeah, I switched my company, Napier Enterprises, switched the license, and then found out -- what I thought was incorrect. MR. BLUM: So we want to do something about the months they've been in operation? MS. KELLER: But normally I think we would look at your current company's financial information. MR. RICHARD: Actually, she does have a credit report in there. Is that what you're talking about, or just bank statements? MS. KELLER: But that says Napier Sprinkler, too. MR. RICHARD: There was one in there for Napier Enterprises, because I went and got one. MR. HORN: There's a credit report. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: It doesn't have anything. Page 8 October 16,2007 MR. GUITE': Doesn't have anything in it. MR. RICHARD: I think I had one and on the credit report it said no history because it's a new company or something like that. MR. LEWIS: Anything less than a year old. MR. RICHARD: Right. MR. OSSORIO: Mr. Napier (sic), did you get a citation from one of our investigators? MR. RICHARD: No, sir. MR. OSSORIO: So when did you find out you were not in compliance? MR. RICHARD: When I went to change the license over to my new company. MR. LEWIS: How long ago was that? MR. RICHARD: Either July or August. I think it was early August. MR. LEWIS: And just as a reminder, you say you were originally licensed in the late Eighties and then you renewed it when? Or retested? MR. RICHARD: Once I got back in the business. I had a couple of different licenses -- I had a couple of different people sponsor me, and then I finally just went and got my own license. I really couldn't tell you the date, to be honest with you. It's been a while. MR. LEWIS: But was it like five years ago, 10 years ago? MR. RICHARD: When I went and took the test? MR. LEWIS: I mean, I know the Nineties were a blur for a lot of us but-- , MR. RICHARD: It's probably -- it's been at least five years. MR. LEWIS: Thank you. MR. RICHARD: The original test I took, that was -- for a while there you didn't have to take a test for irrigation, you could just go get an occupational license. And then when I let my license lapse, then they changed it back to where now irrigation people have to take the Page 9 October 16, 2007 business and law and irrigation test. MR. LEWIS: Just so you know, that's what I wanted to know, that you had done that. MR. RICHARD: Yes, sir. MR. LEWIS: So you answered my question, thank you. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Michael? MR. OSSORIO: Yes, sir. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I'm going to be blunt. What's bothering us, and nobody up here wants to say it, but we're looking at these bank records on Napier Sprinkler, Incorporated. Do you have them in front of you? Start perusing through some of those items and look how this -- how the finances are handled with this company. Start looking at some of the charges. I don't want to say out loud, because we are on television, okay? MR. RICHARD: You mean the Napier Sprinkler? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: You need to put yourself on a salary. MR. RICHARD: That's actually his bank records, not mine. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Well, someone needs to put themselves on a salary and quit running these charges through the corporation. MR. LEWIS: Mr. Chairman, in all due respect, that's not our job. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I know. But we-- MR. BLUM: We shouldn't even be seeing this. MR. LEWIS: And frankly, that's not even bothering me a bit. Because I didn't look at it and I don't want to know about it because it's not part of my decision. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: It bothers me as far as the business. MR. LEWIS: I understand. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Am I out ofline, Mr. Neale? MR. NEALE: Yeah, I mean, I concur with Mr. Lewis. It really -- how they operate their business, as long as it doesn't subject the -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: But then I don't have a credit report. Page 10 October 16, 2007 MR. NEALE: Well, you do have a credit report on the entities he's seeking to qualify. MS. KELLER: But it says that-- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Doesn't say anything. MS. KELLER: -- he's been in business for 19 years. MR. LEWIS: Doesn't matter. MS. KELLER: December, 1988 is the year they established the file on Naples Sprinkler, Inc. And so I'm just very confused. MR. RICHARD: I'm thinking maybe they said there's no record, because now it's under his tax J.D. number, not mine. And it's a new owner. I don't know, I'm-- MS. KELLER: But it looks to me -- MR. RICHARD: I mean, Napier Sprinkler, when I owned it, never had any judgments or anything like that against it, if that's -- and it still doesn't. MR. JOSLIN: Just I'm very confused right now. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: What about Napier Enterprises? MR. RICHARD: No, nothing. MR. BOYD: Well, there is a tax lien from 2003. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Tell me what page you're on. MS. KELLER: But it's very small. It's $193. MR. RICHARD: What's that? I don't even know about it. MS. KELLER: It's a state tax lien. Collier County Circuit Court. MR. RICHARD: I know nothing about it. I'll take care of it, but I've never seen anything -- MS. KELLER: $193. MR. RICHARD: Yeah, I've never received anything in the mail about it and my address hasn't changed in probably 13 years. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I don't think it's a good packet. MR. JOSLIN: I agree. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Because I can't make an informed decision. Page 11 October 16, 2007 MR. NEALE: Well, and part of the decision-making process of course is based on the credit report and, you know, that's something that is a primary function of this board in deciding on second entities or any qualifier. MR. RICHARD: We've used the same suppliers forever. And if you want to -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: See, I don't have that information. MR. RICHARD: -- I don't know if I listed them on there, but-- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I don't have that information. MR. JOSLIN: You would think if a credit report was pulled on the Napier Sprinkler that's been in business for that long, that there would be some type of a credit report or history, if you've had creditors for that long. MR. RICHARD: I think it might be something to do with, like I say, he's the owner. I'm not listed as the owner anymore, and the tax J.D. number has changed. I don't know if they go by that or Social Security number for that or exactly how that tax report works -- MR. BARTOE: We do have-- MR. RICHARD: I mean credit report. MR. BARTOE: We do have a page here from Experian. Business is scoring 67 percent. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yeah, we see that. MR. LEWIS: Yeah, I'm afraid I'm a little confused. I don't know what you guys are talking about, because he has credit reports for his existing entity, which is Napier Enterprises, which is licensed already. And he has a credit report from Experian here for Napier Sprinkler that shows that it's been in business for more than 19 years, sales of $150,000, two employees, filing data, it's got date of incorporation, it's got the credit summary. I mean, I don't know what you're looking for, but that's a credit report. Doesn't say what kind it has to be. MR. BLUM: Closing balance of$120,000. I don't see a problem Page 12 October 16, 2007 with any of this. MR. LEWIS: He has provided, you know, bank statements, although I don't think he has to. And those bank statements, even though we find some discrepancy that we wouldn't possibly do in our own business show pretty good financials. MS. KELLER: I think the difference here is that he is trying to qualify a company that he had already qualified. So all of the data that he has on his credit is in the company he's trying to qualify. So that's why it's different from what we normally look at. Normally you own the company, and we're looking at what you've already qualified, and then you're going to qualifY a new company. So this is just not what we were usually -- MR. LEWIS: I think that kind of speaks for itself, actually. Ifhe owned a company and now all of a sudden he sold the company, it's still him doing it, you know, or did it. So, you know, the financials would have been the same if it had been a few months different, so -- MR. RICHARD: Well, originally she told me I was going to have to corne here before the board to qualify myself, Napier Enterprises. And then after she thought about it for a few minutes I think she was even confused. And no, Napier Enterprises is my company now and I needed to qualify him. So I think everybody was confused in the beginning. MR. BLUM: Do we want to do something about the couple three, four months he's been in business without being legally licensed? I mean, is that something we want to do anything about? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I don't think that's any-- MR. BLUM: No, I don't either. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: -- it's a sprinkler repair. MR. RICHARD: We don't do any new construction at all. We never pull permits. I mean, I don't get into the construction at all. It's all maintenance, the whole thing. MR. BLUM: I'd be prepared to make a motion, Mr. Chairman, if Page 13 October 16, 2007 you'd like. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Go ahead. MR. BLUM: I'd like to propose that we grant the applicant's request for a second entity. MR. LEWIS: And I'll second that. MR. JOSLIN: Could we add something just to it just for the record here? To -- providing that he takes care of this 6 of'03 tax lien, that it's already been taken care of or at least listed or given to staff? MR. RICHARD: I'll take care of it. MR. BLUM: You have no problem with that? MR. RICHARD: No problem. Like I said-- MR. BLUM: How much time do you need? MR. RICHARD: -- I didn't know anything about it. MR. BLUM: How much time do you need to do it; do you think? MR. RICHARD: I'll do it when I leave the room if you tell me where to go -- MR. BLUM: Thirty days? MR. RICHARD: -- I've got my checkbook with me. MR. BLUM: Thirty days? MR. RICHARD: Sure. MR. BLUM: All right. You'll show Mr. Ossorio proof that that's been taken care of in the next 30 days? MR. RICHARD: Yes. MR. BLUM: Okay, I'll amend my motion to include the 30-day period of time to take care of the tax problem. MR. LEWIS: And I'll second the amendment. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Any discussion? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Call for a vote. All those in favor? MR. JOSLIN: Aye. Page 14 October 16, 2007 MR. BOYD: Aye. MR. GUITE': Aye. MS. KELLER: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. MR. BLUM: Aye. MR. LEWIS: Aye. MR. HERRIMAN: Aye. MR. HORN: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: You got it. We put you through-- MR. RICHARD: Where would I go to do that? I really don't -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Tax lien? Depends on whether it's state or federal. MR. NEALE: It says state. MS. KELLER: Collier County. MR. NEALE: Collier County. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Go to the tax collector's office. MR. RICHARD: Tax collector's office. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: One thing. All of your files are here today. And you other people that are here for second entities, your files are here today, so don't go back to the county today. You can go tomorrow. They'll have the paperwork and get things going. I wish you well. MS. KELLER: Do you want this? It has the information about the tax lien. MR. RICHARD: Sure. MS. KELLER: It has the number on it. MR. JOSLIN: One last thing. Make sure after you take care of this that you give us back a copy or something to staff so they don't put your license on hold if you don't tell them. MR. RICHARD: After I take care of this, who do I inform? Page 15 October 16, 2007 CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Maggie. MR. JOSLIN: Just go see Maggie. MR. LEWIS: Mr. Edwards, just one other thing. I think you can go upstairs to the fourth floor and they can probably direct you where to go with that, get that taken care of. MR. OSSORIO: Mr. Chairman, just for the record, is all of our cell phones off? Because we're still getting -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Mine's off. Is everybody off? MR. LEWIS: I don't have one. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Anyone on Wi-Fi? Have no idea, unless it's a light. We usually don't have these big lights here on. But I'll leave it up to her, because she deals with those probably with county commission. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: BlackBerry or cell phone. Everybody's off. MR. ZACHARY: What's a BlackBerry? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I don't want a BlackBerry. Talk about can't get away. MR. NEALE: I hate mine. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Now they're corning out with a new one which is instant connection. Katherine Grant, are you present? MS. GRANT: Yes. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Good morning to you. MS. GRANT: Good morning. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: If you would corne up and state your name, please, I'll have you sworn in. MS. GRANT: Katherine Grant. (Speaker was duly sworn.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. Give us -- tell us what you're doing. MS. GRANT: I am applying to sponsor a second entity. Page 16 October 16, 2007 CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Who do you qualifY now? MS. GRANT: Grant Installations? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: And who are you wanting to qualify? MS. GRANT: International Carpet and Blinds. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Total separate company? MS. GRANT: Yes, sir. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: And your connection to them? MS. GRANT: I work as operations manager for International Carpet and Blinds. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Are you on a salary or something? MS. GRANT: Yes. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: What happened to their qualifier? MS. GRANT: She is still available. We just thought it would be easier, since I pretty much run the operations of the company and since I have a license, that I hold it and be in charge of renewing it and make sure we have it. MR. GUITE': Will you be getting paid more if you qualify? MS. GRANT: Yes, sir. MR. GUITE': In which way? MS. GRANT: I'm sure I'll probably have an increase in salary for being a license holder. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: So both of you will still be there, though? MS. GRANT: Yes. MS. KELLER: And how much of your time do you spend with Grant Installations and the new company? How is your time spread between them? MS. GRANT: Most of the time is spent at International Carpet and Blinds. I just review and, you know, just stay in touch with what's going on at Grant Installations. I don't really have to run that on a day-to-day basis. My husband runs that. MS. KELLER: I thought somehow you were involved by name. Page 17 October 16, 2007 MS. GRANT: Yes. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Michael? MR. OSSORIO: Yes, sir. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Question for you. How corne all a sudden we're getting Experian credit reports? Any reason for that? MR. OSSORIO: All applicants have a -- we give a sheet to them and they can pick and choose who they want. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Oh, they pick who they want? MR. OSSORIO: Yeah. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: God, these things are terrible. MR. OSSORIO: I'll talk to Maggie about it. And I think during the winter months we'll have some kind of a workshop and corne up with something a little better. Because I have a hard time with this as well. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Hey, guys, you're on the mic. Yeah, these Experian reports tell us nothing. They're of no value to us up here, so we either need to get a different kind of report or see if we can't eliminate them from the choices. MS. KELLER: Why don't we just require one report for everybody so that we learn how to read them and we're comparing the same statistics for each person that we get a credit report from. MR. OSSORIO: I think in the ordinance it doesn't really specifY. I think it specifies a number -- under the 2006-46 it does specifY different companies, national credit scores. So some are easier than others, you're absolutely right. That's something we're going to have to work on. And then maybe we can steer the applicants to what we're looking for from the board. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Has nothing to do with you. MS. GRANT: They are difficult, I know. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Here's International Carpet and Blinds, which I assume has been around a while. MS. GRANT: Yes, sir. Page 18 October 16, 2007 CHAIRMAN DICKSON: And there's just a couple of items on this report that don't tell us anything. Which is probably good. MS. GRANT: Right. MR. JOSLIN: If there was three to pick from, she picked the best one. MS. KELLER: Well, it does tell us something, it says that they're 100 percent current, nothing past due, been a customer for six years. MR. JOSLIN: If the board doesn't have any other questions, I'll make a motion. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Go. MR. JOSLIN: I make a motion that we approve the packet for her to grant her a second entity with Carpet and Blinds. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Do I hear a second? MR. BLUM: I'll second that, Blum. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Discussion? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Call for the vote. All those in favor? MR. JOSLIN: Aye. MR. BOYD: Aye. MS. KELLER: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. MR. BLUM: Aye. MR. LEWIS: Aye. MR. HERRIMAN: Aye. MR. HORN: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Opposed? MR. GUITE': Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay, one. You're done. But again, tomorrow, okay? MS. GRANT: Okay, thank you. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Wish you well. Page 19 October 16, 2007 MS. GRANT: Thanks. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: David Beal? Good morning, sir. You've been here a long time. You want to stretch when you get up? If you would, state your name and spell it for the court reporter. MR. BEAL: It's David Beal. B-E-A-L. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay, she'll swear you in. (Speaker was duly sworn.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay, got a citation, don't agree with it. Tell us what you -- give us your case. MR. BEAL: I received a citation on August 29th for not having a Collier County license for performing pool cleaning. At the time I was not aware that I had to. I have a license out of Lee County. When I got my license from Lee County after purchasing the business, they informed me that it was reciprocal in Collier County. I didn't -- wasn't informed otherwise until the officer gave me the citation. A that time I kind of thought he could have given me a warnmg. Since he did give me the citation, I went down and applied for taking the exam for pool cleaning for the business procedures. I was supposed to take that on -- last Saturday, the 6th. It was canceled due to the monitor being -- a family emergency. So I'm rescheduled to take the exam on the first Saturday in November. MR. OSSORIO: Mr. Chairman, for the record, Michael Ossorio. Can Mr. Beal be sworn in, please? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yeah, he was. MR. OSSORIO: Was he? THE COURT REPORTER: He was. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Anything else, Mike? MR. JOSLIN: How many customers are you cleaning right now? MR. BEAL: Thirty-six. MR. JOSLIN: Thirty-six. MR. BEAL: I have four in Collier County. Everybody else is in Page 20 October 16, 2007 Lee County. And since I got the citation, I've worked an arrangement out with a friend of mine that has a pool company in Collier County to take care of my clients down here until I got my license taken care of. MR. BARTOE: Mr. Beal, how much experience do you have in the pool cleaning business? MR. BEAL: Almost three years. I had prior time up in Pennsylvania. And I worked for the gentleman for almost two years before I bought him out. MR. HORN: I have a question for county staff. In Lee County the pool license, that's just the tax only. There's no test involved, correct? MR. OSSORIO: That is correct. MR. HORN: Just checking, thank you. MR. OSSORIO: You can see on his exhibit that he is window cleaning, commercial and residential. Doesn't say anything about pool cleaning. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yeah, that's what I was just looking at. MR. JOSLIN: Window and pool cleaning. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: No, it says window cleaning, commercial and residential. MR. BLUM: Window and pool cleaning, commercial and residential. MR. OSSORIO: Mr. Beal is arguing that he bought a business and the business didn't include pool cleaning. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Don't look at his advertisement, look at the tax receipt. MR. LEWIS: Actually, look at both. MR. JOSLIN: Have you checked into the Lee County license, or am I missing something, to see exactly what he has in Lee County? MR. HORN: It's a business. Page 21 October 16, 2007 CHAIRMAN DICKSON: You don't have a pool cleaning license in Lee County either. MR. BEAL: On my occupational license from Lee County, it lists pool cleaning, retail sales, window tinting, auto and commercial and residential. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: For what year? Because we -- what are we looking at? MR. BEAL: September 30th, 2000 -- I just renewed it. MR. GUITE': That's just the occupational license? MR. BEAL: Yeah, it's just -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Does it say occupational license? Because Lee County doesn't use that wording anymore. MR. BEAL: They just -- I have a copy of it. It's the local business tax receipt. It's for the account number for my license and it just says local county business tax receipt on it. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: That's what I'm saying. And what does it say in the description? MR. BLUM: Has he got something that we don't have? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: That's what I'm trying to find out. MR. BEAL: Yeah, these are my renewals for my licenses for Collier and Lee County. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Because I thought I had a current one as of September 11th, 2007. Can we introduce that into evidence? I want to see it. MR. NEALE: Yeah, it's going in the record. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Mr. Ossorio? MR. NEALE: We need someone to move that into the record. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Someone give me a motion to move that copy into the record. MR. JOSLIN: So moved, Joslin. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Second? MR. BLUM: Second, Blum. Page 22 October 16,2007 CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Let him have that to move that into the record. MR. JOSLIN: While they're doing that, Mr. Ossorio, in Lee County isn't there a license but only for chemical cleaning only and not for maintenance as far as to clean a pool? MR.OSSORIO: No, Lee County is a -- if you wish to clean pools in Lee County, just chemicals only, it only requires you to have a tax receipt. MR. JOSLIN: Chemicals only. That's what I'm speaking of. Chemicals only. There's a difference. Chemicals only means that you can go and only treat the water in the pool. You cannot do any vacuuming, you cannot do any cleaning, you cannot do any tile cleaning, you cannot touch the pool otherwise. That's the way that the law reads, I'm quite sure. In order to do what you're doing, you need either a class A or class B or class C license to maintain a pool. MR. BEAL: When I went to Lee County, they didn't explain that at all. I told them exactly what I wanted to do and that's what they gave me. MR. JOSLIN: I'm quite certain that's the way it is. Because there was another company not too long ago, a chemical company that got the license without having to take the test for the same reason. I'm a pool contractor, so I'm quite certain that's the way it reads. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure. MR. BLUM: I have to say, I'm really not that interested in Lee County, to be truthful with you. Discussion about what Lee County does or doesn't do or does or doesn't require, I'm not the slightest bit interested. We require a test. We have rules and regulations, they've got to be followed. I think this is a moot point, from my point of View. MR. LEWIS: And I have to concur. MR. JOSLIN: I would agree with you, it is a moot point. I'm Page 23 October 16, 2007 just trying to clarifY the situation as far as what he's trying to reciprocate between Lee County and Collier County. MR. LEWIS: He's already set to take the test in November. So It's a couple of weeks away, he's going to take the test. What he's complaining about is the fact that he's having to pay an additional $300 ticket. That's what we need to discuss. Are we going to do anything about that or not? MR. BLUM: You know, it's like when you get stopped and oh, no, I didn't see the speeding sign, it changed from 45 to 30. You know, ignorance of the law is no excuse. And I'm sorry you got bad information. I feel badly that you got erroneous information. But I'm thinking if you have a friend in the business as you mentioned that's working down here, I would have thought that you'd been aware of what we need you to do in Collier County. MR. BEAL: He never informed me on that. When I took the business over, the gentleman, I asked him if I needed a license from here, and he informed me that Lee County was reciprocal down here at that time. MR. BLUM: Well, maybe he's going to help you pay the fine for giving you bad information. MR. BEAL: I don't think so. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Make a motion? MR. JOSLIN: I'll make the motion. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Go ahead. MR. JOSLIN: I make a motion that David Beal of Krinkle Window and Pool Cleaning has a violation -- been cited for violation 3408 for a value of $300, and I make a motion that he has to pay the fine. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Do I hear a second? MR. BLUM: Second, Blum. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Discussion? Page 24 October 16, 2007 MS. KELLER: I would also say that he would not be allowed to get his license -- I guess he would have -- before he could get his license here, he would have to pay that fine. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Do you have a problem with that? MR. JOSLIN: No, not at all. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Do you have a problem with the second on the amended motion? MR. BLUM: No, I assumed that, quite frankly. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Any more discussion? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: All those in favor? MR. JOSLIN: Aye. MR. BOYD: Aye. MR. GUITE': Aye. MS. KELLER: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. MR. BLUM: Aye. MR. LEWIS: Aye. MR. HERRIMAN: Aye. MR. HORN: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: You got to pay it. I wish you well. Do good on the test. MR. BEAL: I just pay that over at -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I don't know. Where do they pay them? MR. OSSORIO: Horseshoe Drive. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Horseshoe Drive. MR. BLUM: Mr. Ossorio? MR. OSSORIO: Yes, sir. MR. BLUM: You've seen this advertisement that we've seen, Page 25 October 16,2007 right, for Krinkle and the way it reads on this piece of paper that we just got here. I mean, it talks about auto, it talks about cleaning, it talks about pools, it talks about a lot of things. So I'm sure you're going to look at his advertisement and make sure that what we require is covered under what he actually does. MR. BEAL: Right now I'm just doing residential and commercial window cleaning and residential pool cleaning. Everything else is -- they've never taken it off my license. I requested Lee County to take it off and they haven't done it. MR. OSSORIO: The ticket was issued August 29th, and your occupational license was good till September 11 th, and then you renewed it and you changed the description to add pools. So that's my assumption. But we don't go by that occupational, we're going to go by this one that says the date on there, 9/11/2007. MR. BLUM: Thank you. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Thank you, Mr. Beal. Anybody need a quick break? We've only been going 35 minutes. MR. LEWIS: Seems like forever. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I'm going to pass on the old business, do that very last. Any objection to that? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Where's my case? Scott Perry, d/b/a A + Air Conditioning and Heating of Southwest Florida, Inc. Mr. Perry. Do you have any idea where Mr. Perry is? MR. JACKSON: For the record, Ian Jackson, Collier County Contractor Licensing. I have no idea where Mr. Perry is. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Before we proceed, would you assure me how notice was given to him? MR. JACKSON: Notice was mailed to the address in our system. The address coincides with the state license as well. It's the only address that we can find. Page 26 October 16, 2007 I have spoken with Mr. Perry in August and informed him of the hearing. Asked him to corne in and meet with me so we can discuss it. It never happened. MR. BARTOE: Excuse me, could we swear Mr. Jackson in. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yeah, go ahead. (Speaker was duly sworn.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: So we have certified mail. Was it returned or did you get a receipt? MR. JACKSON: It was returned. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: We've tried telephone numbers? MR. JACKSON: I've tried telephone numbers. The one time that I was able to speak with him, I informed him of the hearing that was supposed to happen last month, which was postponed until today. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Was he here last month? MR. JACKSON: No, he was not. I posted a notice of hearing at the listed address that we have in our county system, which is the same that the state has. There's a photo of it, of the posting. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I see that. Pagel!. MR. JACKSON: The resident of that address called me and said that person has not lived there in about four years, she said. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Four years? MR. JACKSON: Yes. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: So as far as we know, he's not even in business. MR. JACKSON: The last time that I know that he worked was May of '07. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. You mean -- MR. BLUM: Do we have any information, Michael? Do you have any indication, anything about this guy? MR. OSSORIO: None. All I know is that he did renew his state license, but he did not renew his county registration with our office;w Page 27 October 16, 2007 am I correct? MR. JACKSON: Correct. He is current with the state, not with the county. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: But you mailed also to the address the state has. MR. JACKSON: Correct. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Reiterating. Mr. Neale, have we covered all the bases to proceed? MR. NEALE: It certainly sounds like it. Every effort was made to provide him with notice. He did not respond, he isn't here. I would feel comfortable with proceeding. MR. ZACHARY: Mr. Chairman? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yes. MR. ZACHARY: I concur. Yeah-- MR. BLUM: We're going on two months. MR. ZACHARY: -- I think we covered the bases. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: County concurs? MR. ZACHARY: I do. MR. BLUM: We're going on two months. Either the guy's hiding or he's gone. Any action we take, how's he going to know what it is? How can we -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: We've done this before. And for the record, we will proceed in the case with the -- really the petitioner presenting their case. And Mr. Scott will not be present and not present evidence to defend himself. However, by state statute and county ordinance, we have every right to do that and proceed. Basically whatever action we take today, we're not contingent on finding him afterwards. MR. NEALE: And any action that the board takes today will be reported to the State Construction Industry Licensing Board. And so an important element to this, which the board always has to do anyhow is should he be found in violation the board has to make Page 28 October 16, 2007 a recommendation of the penalty to the State Construction Industry Licensing Board. So that's an important element of whatever the board does today. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Why would an air conditioning contractor have a state and county license? MR. OSSORIO: It's not a county license, it's a county registration. It's $10.00. It's just a fee -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Oh, it's just a registration. MR. OSSORIO: -- to be able to pull a building -- unfortunately if you are a state contractor, there's no need to register with the county, the jurisdiction you're working through, unless you're going to pull a building permit under the Florida Building Code. And that is just a registration. It's just a registration form. It's a one-page application that you fill out and pay $10 and the county building department checks your Workers Compo insurance. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: So the only thing we'll be dealing with today is his permit pulling privileges -- MR. OSSORIO: Exactly right. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: -- in Collier County? MR. OSSORIO: Exactly right. MR. BARTOE: And a recommendation to the state. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: And recommendation-- MR. OSSORIO: And also, what Mr. Neale probably didn't allude to is that if you do have -- if we do find in violation of 4.2.2, and we take action with the state, we will forward that to Lee County, our neighbors, and maybe the licensing board in Lee County would take some action. He might be working up there, I have no idea. So we'll take the finding of facts and ship it up to Lee County as well. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Mr. Jackson, proceed. MR. JACKSON: Thank you. This case began this year, but the contract was entered in July of'03 Page 29 October 16, 2007 for the replacement of an air conditioner. Our records show no permit applied for this replacement, which is necessary. What I have done is put a little time line together showing how Mr. Perry has repeatedly violated the building code by not obtaining permits when the inspections are necessary. In January of '02 he received a citation given by Michael Ossorio for no permit. The citation was paid in February of'02. And 5/03, as I said, contracted with the complainant in this case, Gerald Powers. Mr. Perry was paid $2,500 for this job. 5 of '04, applied for a permit at an address 3 Pelican, which was a case handled by Torn Bartoe where he did an AC replacement with no permit. He applied for a permit, scheduled no inspections, and the permit is now canceled without being C.O.'d. May of '07, reinstalled AC units at 5101 Tamiami Trail East where a roof was redone, the AC units had to corne off and then put back on. The reinstallation required permitting, which was never done. That was my first dealings with Mr. Perry. He stated he would register his state license and take care of those -- the permit for that job, which never happened. Ultimately another contractor permitted that work. I received this case in July of '07 with the complainant, Mr. Powers. On August 14th, I talked to Mr. Perry and told him verbally of the hearing and the urgency in which we need to meet so he can update his information in our system, current address, phone numbers. Never happened. Never carne in, never registered. MR. JOSLIN: One second. How long ago was this? MR. JACKSON: This was August of'07. MR. JOSLIN: Just August of'07. MR. JACKSON: Yes. 9/19 of'07, last month's board hearing was postponed until today. Page 30 October 16, 2007 The 24th of September I sent another letter to Mr. Perry to the same address, notifying him of the hearing today, which was returned. On the 25th of September I called Mr. Perry with one of the phone numbers that we have in our system, which is now out of service, and I left a message at another phone of his stating that we need to get together so A, so we can update his information, and B, so I can get him the notice of hearing for today. N ever received another call. And that brings us here today. MR. BARTOE: Did we get this packet introduced into evidence? MR. NEALE: We have not yet submitted it into evidence. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: No, we didn't. MR. JOSLIN: I make a motion that we introduce Scott Perry of A + Heating of Southwest Florida No. 2007-10 into composite Exhibit A. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Dickson second. All those in favor? MR. JOSLIN: Aye. MR. BOYD: Aye. MR. GUITE': Aye. MS. KELLER: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. MR. BLUM: Aye. MR. LEWIS: Aye. MR. HERRIMAN: Aye. MR. HORN: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Done. MR. LEWIS: Mr. Chairman, with your permission? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Go ahead. MR. LEWIS: I have a bunch of questions on this. Number one, Page 31 October 16, 2007 why are we here and why are we listening to this? And who brought the complaint? Why was the complaint issued? And why wasn't the mailing sent to the mailing address instead of to an address that obviously he hasn't been at for four years. I don't think we've done our duty to try to get ahold of the guy. It's obvious that we talked to him in August. He's either not in town or doesn't care, and that's great, but, you know, when need to get through this. Who is Ian Jackson? MR. JACKSON: I am. MR. LEWIS: You're Ian Jackson? MR. JACKSON: Yes, sir. MR. LEWIS: So you formally filed the complaint? MR. JACKSON: No, Gerald Powers -- well, I have a complainant of Gerald Powers, a homeowner who is in contract with Mr. Perry. MR. LEWIS: Where is that information at? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Well, first of all, in all cases -- just before you go any further, Bill, in all cases the county is always the complainant. MR. LEWIS: Not when it comes on this paper. This is a file paper that comes from the complainant that's made at the Horseshoe Drive office, which initiates. MR. OSSORIO: Mr. Lewis, unfortunately I have to stand -- you have to be a little bit corrected. This is a complaint form, you're absolutely right, that we fill out with the homeowner. But we do have a preliminary complaint form which is about nine pages. Mr. and Mrs. Powers did not want to actually bring this case to light. I'm sure Ian Jackson can elaborate on this. This is done by another contractor; am I correct? This is quite old. Another contractor went out there, tried to service it. There was some issues with the system. Page 32 October 16, 2007 And we encourage every contractor, if you're a state contractor, local contractor, if there's a code violation out there, we want to know about it. Don't penalize the homeowner. The homeowner made the complaint. The Board of County Commissioners are taking action against Mr. Perry's license. It's not Mr. Powers, it's not Ian Jackson, it's the Board of County Commissioners and the licensing board. Mr. Powers -- I mean Mr. Perry has been warned by me several times. I've talked to him several times. We've issued good notice to him. We're trying to be a good neighbor. We're in partnership with him. And Ian Jackson did no wrong, and we -- this case should be heard. MR. LEWIS: I don't have a doubt in my mind that there's been wrong committed here. I'm just saying the way we're going about it, it's one-sided to me. And especially since Mr. Perry is not here. And when I look at the DBPR on-line services for Perry, Scott and Henry, and it says that his main address is a P.O. Box and that nothing was sent to a P.O. Box, yet we take the time to drive out four, five miles away from our offices to put a posting on someone else's door, I see a problem with that myself. We didn't do our job. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay, first -- all right, first of all, I saw the Treetops Drive on the report out of the state, which is on his log. MR. LEWIS: Which is a licensed location, not a mailing address. If you have a mailing address, guess what proceeds? Look at the paper, it's the first one you see, main address, P.O. Box. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: What happened to the P.O. Box mailing? MR. JACKSON: I've been under the impression that sending certified mail to a P.O. Box -- MS. KELLER: You can't do it. MR. LEWIS: Yes, you can. And the reason I say this is because my company runs all of its mailing through a P.O. Box, and I get Page 33 October 16, 2007 every one of my certified mails through the P.O. Box. I have to go to the front counter and pick it up. And that's why I say that, because I know I get them and that way I know I'm served. I have a problem with this. I don't think the man has been properly served. We have not done our duty. MR. OSSORIO: He's not properly served, but Ian Jackson's talked to him on the phone several times. MR. LEWIS: That's fine. And you can certainly present that, if the board cares to hear that. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Here's the problem we're going to face. This is the first of what, should I say hundreds you're going to see? We were having a discussion. What's the -- I don't want to mention the number. But the people that have not renewed insurance since January 1st in Collier County will stagger your imagination. And these guys, there's no way they can stay up with it. I got inspected this week. Which one of you was doing Quail West? I was working -- my crews were working out at Quail West. The truck was tucked in back behind the house because that's where we were working. But they're driving editions trying to find where work is going on, and they checked their laptop that there's no permit on that job, then they get out and see who it is. No, there's not very many permits being pulled in Collier County, because there's a whole lot of work being done without permits because we've got hundreds of contractors who have not renewed their insurance. And-- MS. KELLER: How do you know that? How do you get that information? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: He gets that report, Michael does. Michael, you want to comment on that? MR. OSSORIO: I'll comment on that on old business. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. Page 34 October 16, 2007 MR. OSSORIO: Right now we're in the middle of a case here. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yeah. Mr. Neale, what's your take on this? MR. NEALE: Mr. Lewis brings up good points, but I think based upon the information the county had and based upon the ordinance, I would believe that the county has done certainly what would be required under the ordinance to provide notice. Was it the extra mile? That's for the board to determine. But it certainly appears to comply with the letter of the ordinance in the state statute. MR. LEWIS: The only thing I bring up is that on MyFlorida.com, where he has his licensee information, it lists the main address as a P.O. Box. So, I mean, if that's the main address, isn't that the one you should actually go to, not some obscure address that may be changed or a license location? I mean, I just moved my office. So I better check it, because I bet you my location isn't the same either. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Shall we do both in the future, Mr. Neale? MR. BLUM: Sure would make sense. MR. NEALE: Probably. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Because we're going to have a whole lot of people not showing up for some of these cases that are corning. MR. LEWIS: I mean, I don't doubt at all that we should hear a case and that there's a case here and it needs to be presented, but I don't know that now is the time to present it. Because my fear -- and frankly, in was in Mr. Perry's shoes, when I got wind of this I'd be asking for another case, a rehearing. So if we want to hear it twice, that's up to the board. MR. BLUM: Well, I'm a little bit -- this page here with liability and Workmen's Comp, it's been expired. Liability since December of '06, and Workmen's Comp since April of'06. So I don't see how he Page 35 October 16, 2007 could have even gotten a license after that. MR. LEWIS: It doesn't necessarily mean that he doesn't have insurance, just not filed with the county. MS. KELLER: Well, my question would be if we do delay this case, is somebody going to be harmed by our decision to delay, really is what we need to decide. MR. LEWIS: That I don't think we can answer, because ifhe's not licensed he can't pull a permit and we have no restriction over him. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay, I'm going to weigh in. My legal counsel said we're okay to proceed so I move that we proceed. MR. JOSLIN: He'll have every right to appeal ifhe so decides that we have done something that was out of line, out of order. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Can we do a motion? MR. NEALE: Actually, there's a couple of things that go to Mr. Lewis's point. In 22-201, he is actually in violation, 22-201, Section 12, for failing to claim or refusing to accept certified mail directed to the contractor by the contractors licensing board or its designee. So number one, that could be an additional violation against him. Number l3 is failing to maintain a current mailing address. So his failure to maintain a current mailing address is another violation. And number l4, failing to appear in person or through a duly authorized representative at any scheduled hearing on a complaint filed against the contractor. So just because of the actions he did or did not take, the county would be within its realm to file three additional complaints against him. MR. LEWIS: I think I'd differ with you, just on the points that he didn't refuse to accept it, because it went to an address that he's not at. MR. NEALE: But he is -- it is his responsibility to maintain a current mailing address. MR. LEWIS: We don't know that he doesn't have one. He's got Page 36 October 16, 2007 a P.O. Box of 110212 listed. MR. NEALE: The currency of the mailing address has to be a mailing address transmitted to the county licensing authority so they know how to get to it. MR. LEWIS: Do we know what the county has as a license? This is what we picked up and I'm showing you the -- MR. GUITE': It's right on the county print-out. MR. NEALE: Yeah, it's 5300 -- MR. BOYD: No, the mailing address on the county -- MS. KELLER: P.O. Box. MR. JOSLIN: P.O. Box. MR. BOYD: -- county certificate detail is a P.O. Box. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Well, let me ask you a question. Look at that E4 while you're there and take that paper out so you can see the top of it. His status is inactive. MR. LEWIS: That's because of the insurance and the fact that he hasn't re -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Is that the reason? MR. BLUM: This goes back to '03, Mr. Chairman. This is not a current case that we're going after this man for. Mr. Powers' job was done in '03. Now, is Mr. Powers an unhappy homeowner at this point? Is his unit working? Is he satisfied with the job? Or is he what? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay, I'm not -- MR. BLUM: I'm just curious -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: No, I'm not -- MR. BLUM: -- since this a four-year-old case, I'd kind oflike to know. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I'm not going down that road because that's not the issues we're dealing with. MR. OSSORIO: It's not a four-year-old case. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: It's not a four-year-old case. It's an Page 37 October 16, 2007 '07. MR. BLUM: How is that possible? It says here -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Because we're not addressing what he did at the Powers' house. We're addressing permits. MR. BLUM: Why is it here? I don't get this at all. MR. LEWIS: Yeah, I'm afraid I'm confused. Maybe I'm hearing myself talk too much or something. But the case I see before me is a summary basically by Ian Jackson, our licensing officer, or license officer. I have nothing from the Powers of a complaint, I have no -- the only case I have is the county bringing a complaint about woefully violating the applicable building codes and laws. Frankly, and I don't want to get into trying the case, but I don't see any proof or anything here, any information. I don't see anything here. MR. BLUM: Is this case mainly based on the rooftop job that he didn't do? MR. JACKSON: No, my case is based upon a culmination of four separate instances where he neglected to apply for or obtain a building permit for the -- MR. BLUM: The first of which goes back to Mr. Powers. MR. JACKSON: The first of which goes back to January of'02 where he received a citation by Michael Ossorio. MR. LEWIS: Which he also paid for. MR. JACKSON: Which he paid. MR. LEWIS: Okay, so that one's done. See ya. Next. MR. BLUM: Okay, Mr. Powers is the next one, right? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Corne on. MR. BLUM: Well, he's saying it's a culmination, so we have to know what this is all about. MR. OSSORIO: It shows a pattern. This case is -- let's go back to E5. E5. Now, let's look at it from a builder's point of view is that Mr. Lewis builds a house with no building permit. The county gets Page 38 October 16, 2007 wind of it three or four years later. Doesn't mean that he is not in violation, doesn't mean that he gets a free pass, it means that we just found out about it four years later. So what do we do about it? We send him a certified letter. We contact him. We verbally told him to get at building permit for Mr. Perry -- I mean for Mr. Powers. He said no, I'm not going to pull a building permit. He didn't bother corning to our office and reregister, he told Ian Jackson no, I'm not going to do that. How do I know that? Because he didn't pull a building permit. Mr. Lewis, how long does it take to get a building permit for an air conditioning unit? MR. LEWIS: I don't know, I'm not an AC contractor. MR. BLUM: Minutes. MR. OSSORIO: Minutes. You can do it on line. We're not talking about something extraordinary. The homeowner, Mrs. Powers, deserved to have that inspected. They deserved to have a C. O. They deserved to have a licensed inspector go out there and do it. E5 was contracted by a homeowner, by a licensed contractor by the state. Didn't pull a building permit. Ian Jackson is showing you a pattern ofMr. Perry dating back four, five years. This just shows a pattern. Now, Mrs. Powers' house is in violation of 4.2.2. He willfully violated the building code by not getting the building permit. We gave him ample time, we gave him notice, verbal notice to do so, and he didn't do so. I have issued tickets for him in the past. Torn Bartoe's talked to him in the past. Ian Jackson has talked to him in the past. This case is about not pulling a building permit at Mrs. Powers' location. Does the homeowner really want to go ahead and corne in front of this license board and tell you I don't have a permit after four years? No. The Board of County Commissioners and the licensing Page 39 October 16, 2007 board has taken action on this state contractor for not following procedure of the Florida Building Code. It tells you pull a building permit for an air conditioning change-out. We gave him notice. MS. KELLER: Has he pulled other permits? MR. OSSORIO: Not for a couple of years. He hasn't been registered for a couple of years. MR. GUITE': I have a question. On E9, it says RE: The complaint filed against you by Gerald Powers. So that is -- MR. OSSORIO: That is correct. MR. GUITE': Is the Powers filing a complaint against him or is the county filing the complaint? MR. OSSORIO: The complaint was filed by Mrs. Powers due to the fact that happens is that when a contractor goes out and does a service call and finds out that air conditioning didn't meet code or didn't get a building permit, that contractor calls our office. And code enforcement gets wind of it and code enforcement calls the Powers and says listen, you need to get a building permit. So here this homeowner's in a predicament, a quagmire that, you know, I've got to pull a building permit, but how do I do so? Yes, the Powers called our office. They are the original complaint. But everyone knows the Board of County Commissioners only take action on the licensing board. So we take over and are the complainant. Mr. Neale can maybe elaborate on that. The initial is from Mrs. Powers, because obviously now it's up to her to get a building permit. He or she will have to do so. Obviously we can't count on this qualifier, Mr. Perry, to pull a building permit, he's not going to do so. So they are the initial complainant. Yes, you're absolutely correct, that notifies him that there is a complaint. And he was notified by writing and verbally. Now, what happens is then we issue what you call an order from a licensing board through the Board of County Commissioners who are the complainant. We issue an administrative complaint. And that Page 40 October 16, 2007 is exactly what we're here for today. MR. JOSLIN: Mr. Neale, if we look on the E5 section of the complaint, the service order that we're talking about here for Powers was done on looks like 7/14 of '03. On that work order, it shows the A+ Air Conditioning and Heating with their same license number, and the address listed there was 5300 Treetops Drive. So wouldn't that qualify for the method of service for processing? MR. NEALE: It's my opinion that adequate service was made. I mean, particularly because of the fact that also in our code we require that they maintain a physical address where they maintain their business records, and that the county has the opportunity at any time with reasonable notice to go and examine those records at that place of business. So, you know, they're required to have both. MR. JOSLIN: So I would think we're in complete -- MR. NEALE: And the method of service is twofold that's permitted under the ordinance. The method of service can be by certified mail or by hand delivery of that service to the licensed business location. And the only licensed business location here is the 5300 Treetops. MR. JOSLIN: Correct, okay. I think we should proceed. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Anybody else? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: So Mr. Neale, how do I settle this? Do I need a motion or just proceed? MR. NEALE: I think it was just a discussion. MR. LEWIS: Yeah, case is still open. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay, let's continue. I don't even know where we were. So it's only a permit pulling issue. Did not pull permits. That's the only thing we're looking at. MR. OSSORIO: You need to find him in violation of willfully Page 41 October 16, 2007 violating the Florida Building Code 4.2.2. After you do find that he -- if you do have a conclusion that he did violate that particular section of the ordinance, then you need to find out what can you do. And the only thing we can do is pull his building permit privileges and recommend to the state of action (sic). That's what we're here for today. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: And you have to show more than one to show a propensity or a tendency to continue to do that. MR. OSSORIO: We don't bring a contractor for violating the Florida Building Code the first time. We have to A, show a pattern. Willful means what it means. It's unusual that we find that, you know, this contractor or any contractor doesn't want to pull a building permit to protect the homeowners of -- taxpayers of Collier County. And it's sad that we're here today. But, we're dealt with the cards and we have to deal with it. MR. BARTOE: And in summation I'd like to say I believe Mr. Jackson's testimony and Mr. Ossorio's have shown that there is a pattern with the prior cases, that especially Mr. Jackson talked about. The one I had way back when, he finally got a permit and he never did call for inspections, and that permit expired. MR. BLUM: My -- if it had been presented the way you're now presenting it, I would have understood it. But the way it was presented was not as we want to done (sic) this guy because he's shown a propensity and a pattern over a number of years to not do the right thing, as it were. I got no problem with that. But the way I get this here, and what I'm looking at first blush does not appear that way to me. Now I understand where you're corning from and it makes more sense. MR. GUITE': Is he able to pull a -- MR. BLUM: Nobody wanted to raise your ire or to say we didn't agree with you or that you didn't do your jobs or any of that. But the Page 42 October 16, 2007 way this looks to me when I first see it, that's not the way it's presented, to my mind. I think that's where Mr. Lewis was corning from as well. And I happen to still agree that we didn't do the diligence we could have done to remove all taint of possibly overlooking something by not getting to this P.O. Box. At least some kind of notice should have gone there. Because I have a sense that he's probably using his P.O. Box anyway and we'd have covered that base. And I think we'd have been well served to cover that base. MR. NEALE: If I can give you alternative service methods. Under our ordinance, under the Collier County ordinance, is the first primary way is to send it certified, return receipt. The alternative method is hand delivery of said notice to the contractor by the contractor licensing supervisor or his designee, or by leaving said notice at the contractor's business or usual place of residence with some person of his family over 15 years of age, informing such person of the contents of the notice. They literally can just walk up and leave it there. MR. BLUM: I totally understand. I'm with you. But if the guy moved out of there a year ago, two years ago, six months ago, if there is another way to potentially let him know what's going on, we should have done it. MR. JOSLIN: I don't think it was necessary. MR. BLUM: Okay. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I mean, corne on, guys, the guy knew he had a complaint. He talked to the inspectors this summer. It's like give me a break. MR. JOSLIN: He's hiding, there's no doubt. MR. LEWIS: Let me clarifY my earlier statement. I'm not here to complain about what the licensing department is doing. They do an outstanding job always. But to concur with Mr. Blum, this was not right. This is a witch hunt. This is something that this board -- I Page 43 October 16,2007 personally will not tolerate it. I will sit here and take up hours and hours, and everybody knows I can talk that long, just to slow this down, because I don't think this is right. We have much too many more things to do. You know, just looking through our ordinance, you know, if we need to cite ordinances, going on notices and things -- where was I? 4.3.2 says any person who believes that a contractor holding a certificate of competency has violated this ordinance may submit a sworn complaint to the contractor licensing supervisor or his or her designee. The complaint shall be substantially the form prescribed by the contractor licensing supervisor. The complainant shall pay a fee of $50 to defray the cost of administering the complaint at the time of the filing of the complaint. The reason for that fee is to pay for you guys so the taxpayers don't have to see their money going out the door going around hunting people that aren't even in business. MR. OSSORIO: Mr. Lewis, I think that fee was stricken. Maybe you have an old copy, but we-- MR. LEWIS: I might. It might be. But it does say -- MR. OSSORIO: But it doesn't neglect the fact that a licensing officer or myself can bring a case to the board. MR. LEWIS: I'm sure there's a million cases out there that you could bring to the board. But I think you have a far better job -- MR. OSSORIO: And what do we do to this homeowner, this taxpayer that is in a quagmire with code enforcement that has to get a building permit for something that she hired a licensed company to do, and she didn't even want to bother flying down and spending $700 get a building permit. MR. LEWIS: That's not my problem. MR. OSSORIO: We don't need her cooperation, all we need is payment, that this contractor did it. MR. LEWIS: That's not my problem. That's not why we're here. Page 44 October 16, 2007 We're here to hear -- MR. OSSORIO: My question -- MR. LEWIS: -- this case, Michael. MR. OSSORIO: -- here is that -- a witch hunt. And you can put me on the record, you want to put me up there on the stand, whatever you want to do. Any contractor out there, I don't care who it is, but if they take money for services that require a building permit, they're going to be on notice. I don't care with if a homeowner complains, I don't care what it is. The Board of County Commissioners mandated that a homeowner should not be adversely affect by a contractor's inept inability to pull a building permit. MR. LEWIS: And where is the owner's responsibility? Are we not supposed to -- MR. OSSORIO: The only thing the owner did was -- if you're telling me that an 80-year-old woman that hires an air conditioning company and spends $8,000 -- MR. LEWIS: Michael, don't go there. Stop it now -- MR. OSSORIO: -- and writes a check -- MR. LEWIS: -- please stop it now. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay, I need to stop all of this now. MR. LEWIS: Yes, we're off track. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: And I think -- MR. LEWIS: We're in the middle of a case, Mr. Chairman, I apologize for the statement. MR. OSSORIO: You apologize for saying your witch hunt -- the county's on a witch hunt? MR. LEWIS: No, that I do not. I apologize for interrupting here. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: All right, stop, stop. Everyone. Do I hear a motion to close public hearing? MR. JOSLIN: So moved, Joslin. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I'll second it. All those in favor?ˆ Page 45 October 16,2007 MR. JOSLIN: Aye. MR. BOYD: Aye. MR. GUITE': Aye. MS. KELLER: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. MR. BLUM: Aye. MR. LEWIS: Aye. MR. HERRIMAN: Aye. MR. HORN: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay, first deal with the charge, charge being 4.2.2, willfully violating applicable building codes or laws of the state, city or Collier County. How do you all feel on that? MR. JOSLIN: I'm ready to make a motion. MR. HORN: I think it's pretty obvious. MR. BLUM: Mr. Chairman? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yes. MR. BLUM: There's really no doubt in my mind that Mr. Perry is guilty of these charges. There's no doubt in my mind that Mr. Ossorio was well served in bringing the action that he brought. There's no doubt in my mind that I would be in favor of sanctioning Mr. Perry. But there's also no doubt in my mind that we're not going about it in the right way. MR. JOSLIN: So noted. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: So noted. It's been noted many times with you and Mr. -- that you and Bill also don't agree with it. We've heard from the county attorney. How many times are you going to tell us this? Okay, it's so noted that you don't agree. MR. BLUM: Thank you. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Now, let us proceed. Page 46 October 16, 2007 Is there any discussion on the charge? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I make a motion to find Scott D. Perry, holder of License No. 21977 to be guilty of such charge. Do I hear a second? MR. JOSLIN: Second, Joslin. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Second. Now discussion. MR. JOSLIN: The count is 4.2.2, for the record? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: 4.2.2. Do you want me to repeat it for you? Do you need it? THE COURT REPORTER: No, thank you. MR. GUITE': I have one question. Is this guy able to pull a permit right now? MS. KELLER: He's inactive. MR. OSSORIO: The only thing he needs to do is bring in $10 and pull a building permit, which takes about 10 minutes. MS. KELLER: He can do it on line, right? MR. OSSORIO: I think he can do it -- no, he can't do it on line, because he has to corne in and pay the $10. MR. LEWIS: And he also has to-- MR. GUITE': Even as an inactive status. MR. BLUM: He does not have an active license? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Guys, we've got to go one at a time. She's going crazy down here. MR. BLUM: Does he have an active license? MR. OSSORIO: He has an active license in the State of Florida. Does he have an active registration in our office? No, he does not. MR. BLUM: So he couldn't pull a permit here no matter what. MR. OSSORIO: He could not pull a building permit, no. MR. BLUM: So no matter what we do today, he couldn't pull a permit. MR. OSSORIO: That is correct. Page 47 October 16, 2007 MR. BLUM: As of what time frame? How long ago was that a case where he couldn't pull a permit? When did he stop getting permit privileges, I should say. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Let me ask -- MR. OSSORIO: Sometime in '06. MR. BLUM: '06. And he hasn't tried since -- so it's been over a year and he hasn't even attempted to pull a permit for anybody. MR. OSSORIO: No. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Any more discussion? MR. LEWIS: Yeah, Mr. Chairman? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yes. MR. LEWIS: If I may ask you, what are you basing your decision of guilt? What evidence? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Evidence presented to me here today. MR. LEWIS: Being? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: That the man has consistently done work without a permit, consistently ignored the laws of Collier County . MR. LEWIS: So we're basing it on the hearsay evidence then. MR. OSSORIO: No, Mr. Lewis -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: No, it's not hearsay. MR. OSSORIO: -- you're basing it on the -- we just checked our county -- we checked our database, and as of this time at Mrs. Powers' location there is no building permit. We gave him ample time to get one, he willfully violated the code when Ian Jackson gave him a direction to pull a building permit at that location. Forget about the others, we're talking about this case, Mrs. Powers, case number 10, I think it is, is that as of this date the county has gave him an opportunity to correct it. We gave him many months to register his license and pull a building permit, which he did work on in Collier County, and spent money on, Mrs. Powers, with no building permit. Page 48 October 16, 2007 MR. LEWIS: Okay, I get that. Was there a citation issued? MR. OSSORIO: No, there was not. MR. LEWIS: Was there any information that I have in front of me in this packet that shows me that besides your testimony at this point? MR. OSSORIO: No. You can look at E5 and it tells you, you have a copy of a contract, and you can look at probably the next page, you could see that the homeowner is in contact by payment. So there was a transaction. MR. LEWIS: But where do I see anything that no permit was pulled? Was there a citation to the owner? MR. OSSORIO: No, there was no citation. MR. LEWIS: Is there a citation to the contractor? MR. OSSORIO: No, there was not. MR. LEWIS: Thank you. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I have testimony from county employees that there was no permit pulled. MR. OSSORIO: Let me ask you a question, Mr. Neale. Are we allowed to issue citations for certified contractors for no building permit under Statute 149.1277 MR. NEALE: I don't believe so. MR. OSSORIO: No, there's not. What do we do to someone who doesn't pull a building permit, Mr. Robert Zachary? What avenue does the county have ifhe refuses to pull a building permit? MR. ZACHARY: File a complaint, exactly what you're doing. MR. OSSORIO: And then what do we do -- what can we do as a local board to a state certified contractor ifhe doesn't want to pull a building permit? What do we do? MR. ZACHARY: The only sanction you have is to forbid him from pulling any building permits in Collier County and send results Page 49 October 16, 2007 of the case and inform the State Contractor Licensing Board. MR. NEALE: And make a recommendation of action to the state of, you know, the -- MR. OSSORIO: Ian Jackson, as of today, did Mrs. Powers get a building permit for what she paid for at A+ Air Conditioning? MR. JACKSON: No. MR. OSSORIO: Thank you. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I've got a motion and I've got a second. Anymore discussion? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Call for the vote. All those in favor? Show of hands. MR. JOSLIN: Aye. MR. BOYD: Aye. MR. GUITE': Aye. MS. KELLER: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. MR. HERRIMAN: Aye. MR. HORN: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Seven. All those opposed? MR. LEWIS: Aye. MR. BLUM: (Indicating). CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Two. Motion passes. Next thing to corne before the board is conclusions oflaw and order of the board. What is the county's recommendation? MR. OSSORIO: For the record, Michael Ossorio, Collier County Contractor Licensing Supervisor. We recommend that you suspend his building permit privileges and forward the maximum fine to Tallahassee for review. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Any discussion on that? Reiterate-- MS. KELLER: Maybe we should send to the P.O. Box the Page 50 October 16, 2007 conclusions so that if he does want to -- no, so that if he does want to appeal it, he can. MR. BLUM: Thank you. MR. LEWIS: I agree. MS. KELLER: Then it's -- you know, if it wasn't done as it maybe should have been, then let's give him a chance, you know. And if he responds, great. And we made our decision, we're giving him another chance, he's not -- doesn't seem to be reacting to anyone in the licensing department, so he's belligerent there, according to the information that we have. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. MS. KELLER: And so that's what I would recommend. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Any more discussion? MR. NEALE: Let me just go through the -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Go through the items. MR. NEALE: Well, just, you know, the board has to consider the gravity of the violation, impact of the violation, actions taken by him to correct, previous violations committed by the violator and any other evidence presented at the hearing relevant to the sanction. The recommended penalties that the board may recommend to the Construction Industry Licensing Board, the state board, include a recommendation of no further action; a recommendation of suspension, revocation or restriction of his registration or state license; or a fine to be levied by the state board. So you have those options underneath your state recommendations. At that point they're only recommendations to the board. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: At this point I don't see any need for any fines or any restitution. Were there any -- we can't corne up with financial loss. MR. JOSLIN: No. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: We don't have any testimony to that. Page 51 October 16, 2007 Mr. Jackson? MR. JACKSON: No. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: So my idea is to go with the county recommendation, unless you all disagree. Do I hear a motion? MR. NEALE: If you could have the county repeat the recommendation so that I can -- MR. BLUM: Well, potentially, again, is Mrs. Powers satisfied with her job? Has she said it doesn't operate? I asked this question before and I was shunted away. I do think it's relevant. I mean, I'm not for the procedure that we're doing, but by the same token if this lady has been harmed -- personally has she been harmed other than not getting a permit? MR. JACKSON: To my knowledge they're satisfied, other than the fact that there's no building permit for it. Other than that, they're satisfied with the work. MR. BLUM: Okay. MR. JACKSON: To my knowledge, it's functioning. MR. BLUM: I do think that's pertinent that we should know, thank you. MR. GUITE': I thought it wasn't to code. MR. OSSORIO: It's not to code. He didn't ask that question. He asked -- Mr. Blum asked is Mrs. Powers satisfied with the unit. Of course she is. She's had it for a couple of years. The question is, is there a code violation on her property? Yes. Who's going to be responsible in two or three years when she tries to sell it or something happens? Mrs. Powers is going to get a rude awakening after this board meeting when we contact her and say you need to get an owner/builder permit to get it done, because the licensing board and Mr. Perry won't get a building permit. She's going to be upset. Remember, she's the owner of the property, she's fully responsible. But we try to put blame on the contractor. The Board of County Page 52 October 16, 2007 Commissioners want that. So in other words, we go after the contractor. Ifhe -- it's unusual that a contractor doesn't pull a building permit for something this minor. It does happen. But it's still going to be the homeowner's responsibility . So as of today, yes, Mrs. Powers, she's happy. But wait till tomorrow when Ian Jackson calls her on the phone and says, by the way, you need to corne down here. When you corne down you get an owner/builder permit, pay four times the amount of the permit fee, there's no building permit. You can't waive fees, so she's going to pay four times the amount, and then get it inspected and then if it doesn't pass code, she's going to have to get a licensed contractor out there to get it done. MR. BOYD: So she will have financial-- MR. OSSORIO: She will be upset, there's no doubt about it. MR. GUITE': So what is not to code? Just the permit? That's the only thing that's not to code. MR. BLUM: So it hasn't been inspected even cursory by you guys? MR. OSSORIO: No, it has not. MR. JOSLIN: She's still going to have financial harm because she's going to have to hire another licensed contractor to -- MR. OSSORIO: She's-- MR. JOSLIN: -- corne out and re-engineer that unit. Because no one's going to want to sign off on someone else's work unless they go in and check it and double check it, because it's going to be involved. So she's going to have -- she's going to lose money on it, there's no doubt. MR. ZACHARY: Now, in both -- MR. OSSORIO: I'm not here to tell you about money. We have not took testimony, because Mrs. Powers is not here, about her financial loss. It's just a matter of let's get this out of our office, up to Page 53 October 16, 2007 the state level, we do what we can and the state take a fresh look at this with this contractor and get it -- I have no problem corning back here in January, February and March, and ifhe does want to get a building permit, I have no problem rescinding it. Remember, we are in partnership with the building industry and the homeowner. MR. JOSLIN: I'll make a motion. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Go ahead. MR. JOSLIN: That as of to day's date Scott Perry, d/b/a A+ AC Heating of Southwest Florida is found guilty of 4.2.2 of willfully violating the applicable building codes and laws of the State of -- City of Collier County. And that his penalty be to suspend his permit privileges in Collier County and refer to any other counties that we can refer to, and also refer to the Construction Industry Licensing Board for this offense committed and let them deal with his license on that level. MR. NEALE: What would be better is to just have two motions: One for the local penalty, and what's normally done is we do a motion for a local penalty and then a separate motion that will state recommended penalties. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: We do? We've never done that. MR. JOSLIN: I don't remember doing that before. We've always added to it. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Lunch bet is on. I can prove you wrong. MR. NEALE: We can state -- MR. JOSLIN: We'll break it down. We'll amend the motion to suspend his permit privileges in Collier County and neighboring counties for the moment. And could we add neighboring counties or no? MR. NEALE: Yes, that's fine. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: No, we can only suspend permit -- Page 54 October 16, 2007 MR. NEALE: Well, we can always suspend his -- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: -- pulling in Collier County. MR. NEALE: -- permit privileges and notifY the other counties. MR. JOSLIN: Okay, just in Collier County. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay, we've got a motion, do I have a second? MR. HORN: Second, Horn. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Discussion? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: All those in favor? MR. JOSLIN: Aye. MR. BOYD: Aye. MR. GUITE': Aye. MS. KELLER: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. MR. HERRIMAN: Aye. MR. HORN: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Opposed? MR. BLUM: (Indicating.) MR. LEWIS: (Indicating.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Two. Okay. One more motion. MR. JOSLIN: Second motion would be that we refer this information that we have received today with regarding permits privileges to the Construction Industry Licensing Board and let them continue with the charges at hand. MR. NEALE: There needs to be a recommendation of some sort. No further action-- MR. JOSLIN: Yeah, permit privileges be pulled in all counties? MR. NEALE: No, you have to make a recommendation to the state board of one of four things. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: What would the four things be, Mr. Neale, for the state? Page 55 October 16, 2007 MR. NEALE: State recommendations are: No further action; recommendation of suspension, revocation or restriction of the state permit or state license; or a fine to be levied by the state board. Those are the recommendations. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Just three? MR. NEALE: Yeah. MR. JOSLIN: I'll recommend that his license be suspended-- oh, no, I'll recommend at the moment that his license be placed on restriction. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Let's talk about this. I mean, nothing would be better than for him to corne back here, assuming he's gone, and make things right and correct all this. That's probably a pipe dream. But it would be nice. I sure don't want to -- I sure don't feel like we have enough here to justifY any revocation. And restriction or suspensiOn. Is there anything else? MR. NEALE: No further action. That's the only -- MS. KELLER: Can we give a time limit? Say if we don't hear from him on this case in two months, then we make a recommendation to the state. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: The state won't hear it for three years anyway. Three to four years. MR. JOSLIN: Can we recommend it to the state for review, considering the circumstances? MR. NEALE: Well, those are the only recommendations that are listed under the statute in the ordinance. MR. JOSLIN: So we're left with no further action? I won't make that motion. MR. LEWIS: Mr. Neale, in may point something out to you, and maybe you can clarifY it for me. And I might have an old ordinance, I don't know, but under 4.3.5.5 it says, in addition to any action the contractors license board may take against the individuals Page 56 October 16, 2007 or business organization's local license, and any fine the contractors licensing board may impose. Key words there are fine the licensing board may impose. Since he has -- I don't know if you'd call it a registration license, but it does violate -- this is a directed at state licenses also. Under 4.3.5.2. So it appears to me that the board, if they care to, can impose a fine against a state licensed contractor. MR. NEALE: No. The only two permitted -- the only permitted thing that can be done is for holders of State of Florida certificates of competency is to deny the issuance of city and county building permits. MR. LEWIS: How corne I read that? Can you interpret that for me? MR. NEALE: I'm not sure what you're reading. MR. LEWIS: Well, start at 4.3.5.2, which is holders of State of Florida Certificates of Competency. MR. NEALE: Right. MR. LEWIS: Then it goes on to 4.3.5.3. Which is imposing a disciplinary sanction against a contractor with a state certified contract. 4.3.5.4 is a disciplinary sanction imposed by the licensing board, shall be stated orally. And then 4.3.5.5 says that in addition to any sanction, any sanction, the contractors licensing board may take against the individuals or business organization's local license and any fine the contractors licensing board may impose. The contractors licensing board shall issue a recommended penalty for the State Construction Licensing Board. So in my interpretation of that language there is that the local board, because this case has corne before the board, can impose a monetary fine. Page 57 October 16, 2007 MR. NEALE: No, because the relevant section is 4.3.5.2, which specifically lists the only sanctions available against state contractors. That is the only sanction available against the state contractor. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Mr. Ossorio? MR. NEALE: Because if you go to-- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I'm sorry, I thought you were finished. MR. NEALE: -- 4.3.5.1, that's where it says what sanctions are available against holders of city and county certificates. And then 5.2 states what's available against state contractors. Now, what 4.5 -- what 5.5 says is in addition to any of those other sanctions that are permitted above you must issue a recommendation to the state. MR. JOSLIN: What are the three again? One more time. MR. NEALE: No further action; suspension, revocation or restriction of registration; or a fine or be levied or a combination thereof. MR. JOSLIN: How about if we place his license on restriction? MR. NEALE: Or recommended to the state -- MR. JOSLIN: And the state can place his license on restriction. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: What kind of restriction? MR. JOSLIN: No permit privileges, no license renewal until this is taken care of. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Michael, you want to weigh in for the department? MR. JOSLIN: We're trying to corne up with something. MR. OSSORIO: Well, ifhe violated 4.2.2, which I believe -- I guess he did, our next course of action would be suspend his building permit pulling privileges and then make a recommendation to the state. I find it perplexing that we find him in violation and we know that he didn't pull a building permit, and we know that -- we showed a pattern that he doesn't want to pull building permits, that we had no Page 58 October 16, 2007 further action with the state. My recommendation is that you suspend his certificate with the state until he makes good in Collier County, whatever Mrs. Powers or whatever these three or four cases in the past, four. Maybe he needs to go to some kind of schooling. MR. JOSLIN: Retesting. MR. OSSORIO: Retesting. I mean, maybe he's forgotten as an air conditioning contractor under Florida 105 requires him to pull a building permit. Maybe he's forgotten. So there are some -- you know, he needs to be talked to. And like I -- so Mr. Lewis understands and Mr. Dickson knows that the state's not going to take action tomorrow, but they will. And they will open up a couple of calls and they will send an investigator down here and we will discuss it with them, and they will make a recommendation with Tallahassee. So it does happen. It doesn't happen overnight. If you remember the electrical contractor, Mr. Cusimano, 10 months ago he was in the licensing board over on the other coast for this same infraction, not pulling a building permit. And we recommended no action taken. The state wanted to make sure this contractor knows the 105 Building Code that requires a building permit. Mr. Cusimano, we sent -- Mr. Neale sent it to Tallahassee with no further action. The licensing board still picked it up and still wanted to talk to him about pulling building permits. MR. NEALE: Because the thing to remember is what you send to the state is solely a recommendation. It's not binding on them at all. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Well, an air conditioner contractor -- I mean, I pull permits all the time and so do you guys. They have it so easy. They have a little coupon book and they go in and buy a coupon book, and when they go to the job and put in a new unit, they just pull off one of the little coupons. I mean, all of us have to go down there. Page 59 October 16,2007 And then we have to file notice of commencements if it's over 2,500. I mean, a lot goes into a permit. This is a cakewalk, A \C guys. MR. BLUM: It certainly appears that this Mr. Perry has just got his dander up and Michael has got his dander up, and I'm sure it's with good cause. Perry's got to be as familiar as I am how to do this. I mean, you can do it two or three different ways and none of them take more than five minutes. I mean, we all know it. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay, you want to go back and try to make a motion -- MR. JOSLIN: I'll try. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: -- and see if we can get out ofthis thing? MR. JOSLIN: On the second part, I'll recommend to the Construction Industry Licensing Board that Mr. Scott Perry, A + Heating and Air Conditioning, his license be suspended until CLB can review it and until he makes good in Collier County for the infractions that he's committed here. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Is that okay, Mr. Neale? MR. NEALE: Yeah. Conditions are reviewed by the Contractor Licensing Board and satisfYing the permit requirements here. MR. JOSLIN: Yeah. MR. NEALE: I think that would be okay. MR. LEWIS: If I may interject, you also can, just for food for thought, you can also recommend to the board for a full fine to be levied, according to state law, state ordinances. MR. JOSLIN: Also then I'll add that to the motion, to ask the state board to impose any and all fines that may be able to be imposed for these infractions. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Did you get talked into that, or county didn't want it? MR. JOSLIN: No, I think it's in line. I mean, I think that's Page 60 October 16, 2007 something that I should have put in the motion anyway. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Is that okay, Mr. Neale? MR. NEALE: Urn-hum. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I'm walking on ice here. Don't let me fall in. Okay, I've got a motion for state action. Do I have a second? MR. HORN: Second, Horn. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Discussion? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Call for the vote. All those in favor? MR. JOSLIN: Aye. MR. BOYD: Aye. MR. GUITE': Aye. MS. KELLER: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. MR. HERRIMAN: Aye. MR. HORN: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Opposed? MR. BLUM: (Indicating.) MR. LEWIS: (Indicating.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Even after you got your fine. Two against. MR. LEWIS: It's the principle. MR. BLUM: It shouldn't have happened. None of this should have happened. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Legalese. You've already made yourself clear. Board of Collier County Commissioners, Collier County, Florida is the petitioner versus Scott Perry d/b/a A + AlC Air Conditioning of Southwest Florida, Case No. 2007-10. License No. 21977. This cause carne on or before public hearing on -- what is this -- October l6th before the Contractor Licensing Board for consideration Page 61 October 16, 2007 of the administrative complaint filed against Scott Perry. Service of the complaint was made by certified mail and attempted personal delivery in accordance with Collier County Ordinance No. 90-105, as amended. The board, having heard testimony under oath, received evidence and heard arguments respective to all appropriate matters; thereupon issues its findings of fact, conclusion oflaw, order of the board as follows: Findings of fact: That Scott Perry is holder of record of Certificate of Competency No. 21977. Number two: The Board of Collier County Commissioners of Collier County, Florida is the complainant in the matter. Number three: That the board has jurisdiction of the person of the respondent, and that Scott Perry was not present at the public hearing and was not either represented by counsel. Number four: All notices required by Collier County Ordinance No. 90-105 as amended have been properly issued. The allegations of fact as set forth in the Administrative Complaint, that being 4.2.2, willfully violating the applicable building codes or laws of the state, city or Collier County are approved and adopted and incorporated herein by reference as findings of fact. Conclusions of law: The conclusions of law alleged and set forth in the administrative complaint are approved, adopted and incorporated. An order of the board based upon the foregoing findings of fact, conclusions of law and pursuant to the authority granted in Chapter 489, Florida Statutes, in Collier County Ordinance No. 91-105 as amended by a vote of seven in favor and two opposed. It is hereby ordered that the following disciplinary sanctions and related order are hereby imposed on the holder of Contractor Certificate of Competency No. 21977. Number one: That all permit pulling privileges in Collier County be suspended as of this date. Page 62 October 16, 2007 And number two: That a recommendation to the state board be that his permit pulling privileges also be suspended until restitution or correction is made in Collier County. Should I add that, Mr. Neale? MR. NEALE: Well, it was restitution and correction made in Collier County and reviewed by the state board, if I remember correctly. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: And reviewed by the state board. Anything else you want in there? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: We're done. Case closed. Let's go to old business. Resolution, final draft on the contractor licensing fees. Mr. Ossorio, are you going to run this one? MR. OSSORIO: Yes, Mr. Chairman, would you want to take a 10-minute break? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Anybody all need it? MR. NEALE: Yeah. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. We'll be back in here about 10:45. (Recess. ) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I have a live mic, okay. Everybody ready to go? I'd like to call back to order the meeting of the Collier County Contractor Licensing Board. Where we were before the break, we were going to Mr. Ossorio. And I'll let you take it from here on new fees. MR. OSSORIO: Mr. Chairman, before we get to the new fees, I just wanted to bring you an update of what the licensing officials have been doing for the last month. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Where is your mic? I'm not hearing you. Is he okay? MR. OSSORIO: Mr. Holt, the building official for Collier Page 63 October 16, 2007 County, told you that we were going to be doing some like operations, sting operations in the near future. We didn't do a sting operation or we didn't do a house sting operation, we did what you call a check point. And that was made up of state DBBR, which is Charlene from Ft. Myers, and Department of Labor, with child services, and our office. And we had Operation Check Point last week and we did roving stops. We did roving job site visits to City of Naples, Marco Island and Collier County throughout Collier County, and it made the news. And on the overhead you'll see it. Lisa, you want to -- it's off mute. (At which time, a video presentation was shown.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I'm sure they appreciated that, Lisa. Okay, go ahead, Mike. MR. OSSORIO: Well, just to give you an update, we did Operation Check Point. It was a success. We stopped at 31 job sites. We issued eight stop work orders. But we actually issued a little more than eight stop work orders. Probably more than half the jobs we went to we issued a stop work order. And that tells you that A, that we see to be an increase in workers' comp insurance, and we are finding out that we are going through renewing our license in September. A lot of people are starting to carry their exemptions only and not carry the workers' comp policy. So we're going to be out there the next couple of months and we're going to be checking more and more job sites. So we're just trying to get the word out that if you are a contractor and you possess employees, you need to have adequate insurance under the 4.1 of the contractor licensing ordinance. So it was good. We did 11 citations and a little more than half probably issued in stop work orders, and we're still going. MR. LEWIS: Michael, what were the stop work orders issued for, generally? Page 64 October 16, 2007 MR. OSSORIO: They were stop work orders for unlicensed electrical, unlicensed masonry, workers' comp violations, and that's about it. MR. LEWIS: Thank you. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: How much -- are you finding a lot of people not renewing insurance? MR. OSSORIO: Well, when we talked to our staff, we're finding that a lot of them have not. We haven't really corne up with a hard number. We'll probably take a look at that in January or February, we'll take a look and see where we are with that and see if our numbers will go up. Which I predict our numbers will go up. Just because the building permit fees or the building permit applications decrease doesn't mean that we don't increase. So we're busier than ever. MR. JOSLIN: Are these people that you're finding, are they subcontractors that are companies working for a general contractor, they're not renewing their insurances, or general contractors that are hiring unlicensed? MR. OSSORIO: If you are a certified contractor, we don't look at you till '08. If you are a registered general contractor or a county license holder, you have to register every year. And we looked at -- we looked at maybe renewing every two years, but that's not feasible. We want to make sure we check your insurance. So this is only for county license holders and/or Tier 1 contractors that are registered with Tallahassee. So no state contractors. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: But you are looking at subcontractors when we try to pull permits. MR. OSSORIO: Yes. Because you are-- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I can't pull a reroof permit without current insurance. MR. OSSORIO: Exactly right. But you might drop your Page 65 October 16, 2007 insurance and give us a workers' comp exemption, and then you'd be right back in active status so you can pull building permits. Obviously you're doing a $90,000 reroof and you give us an exemption, that should put some kind of red flag somewhere in the system. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: I thought all-- I didn't think there were any new exemptions allowed. It stopped at a point and you were grandfathered and you had to incorporate. Can you still get an exemption? MR. OSSORIO: You can still get an exemption. Now, we are having a workshop in Cocoa Beach in November. It would be coordinated for the workers compo agent. And those questions -- hopefully he'll give us some more insight of what's happening in the business of financial services department. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. I appreciate you going out there. I do know competitors that have done work without permits. And there's reasons that they've done that, without permits. MR. OSSORIO: Can't afford the insurance. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Urn-hum. It's tough out there. Extremely tough. Anybody got any comments? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Appreciate you doing it. They did catch me, by the way, but I was okay. They saw one of my trucks at a house in Quail West and we did not have a permit because it was a repair. But the fact that they saw a work truck and people were working there, they stopped. And when they found out it was a repair, I was fine. MR. JOSLIN: Did it have Dickson Roofing on the side of the truck? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yep, it did have Dickson Roofing on the truck. I think that's probably why I got checked. Next thing, fees. Page 66 October 16, 2007 MR. OSSORIO: This is a continuation from May and April of '07. Actually, this is something from my predecessor. Paul Balzano was the licensing supervisor in '04. And we took a fresh look at where we are in fees and licensing and where we needed to go to be neutral. And under the 2006-41, the 46 of the ordinance does stipulate that we have to be neutral. So we brought to you a proposal in -- painstaking proposal back in April and May and we are here for the final resolution. I'd just like to give you feedback that the administrator looked at the fees and thought it was adequate. The building director looked at the fees again and thought it was adequate, and then DSAC, the department that runs our community development advisory committee, looked at these fees and didn't really note anything out of the ordinary. And also, it was mentioned at the CBIA when I was there a month back. So this is the final product. These are the numbers that you looked at in April and May. MS. KELLER: Do I dare make a comment? I think the second entity application fees should be higher, because it seems they always have to corne in front of us, and so they're taking staff time, they're taking court reporting time, they're taking legal time, and $50 is really nothing. And I think before people decide to open a second entity they should be willing to pay more than the $50 fee. MR. BLUM: I completely agree. I would like to see that doubled. MR. OSSORIO: Well, this is only a resolution recommending to the Board of County Commissioners, and I'll surely put that in -- I think we can -- Mr. Neale, we can change that? It's only a resolution. MR. NEALE: Yes, as long as the board votes on that change. MR. OSSORIO: If you vote on that change, I have no problem putting it in there. Just initial it, and the chairman can sign it and Pat Neale can sign it and I can sign it. So that's fine. Page 67 October 16, 2007 CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Is that a motion? MS. KELLER: I make a motion that we double the second entity application fee to $100. MR. BLUM: Second, Blum. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Discussion? MR. JOSLIN: How much was it again? MS. KELLER: I'd like to make it like 200. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Change it from 50 to 100. I don't like any of them, only because timing is everything. But I've already said my peace before. It stinks. But in this case second entity should be more than 50, I agree with that one. MR. OSSORIO: Right now I believe it's nothing. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Yeah, it's nothing. And look how much time today we spent today on a couple of them. MR. GUITE': I'd like to see them omitted completely, but-- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: But the state doesn't. Still, the state stops them, we can't stop them. Any more discussion? MR. GUITE': As high as you want them to go. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Pardon me? MR. GUITE': I said as high as you want to raise it, I'm fine with it. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: He's a contractor. I'm not going to touch that one. Okay, any more discussion? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Call for the vote. All those in favor? MR. JOSLIN: Aye. MR. BOYD: Aye. MR. GUITE': Aye. MS. KELLER: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. Page 68 October 16, 2007 MR. BLUM: Aye. MR. LEWIS: Aye. MR. HERRIMAN: Aye. MR. HORN: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: We are unanimous in something today. MR. NEALE: And then the board -- subject to that change, the board would then have to approve the whole resolution as amended, just to recommend it to the Board of County Commissioners. MR. JOSLIN: As a whole? MR. NEALE: Yeah. If the board has-- CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Does anybody want to look at anything else? Look at every one of them, since we're changing it. These are still about a fifth of the regular charges, or the state charges, aren't they? Or other counties. MR. NEALE: They're significantly lower than anyplace else in the state, basically, except for a few small counties. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay, so what I need -- MS. KELLER: Is there an owner/builder fee? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Well, you don't get a license for an owner/builder fee. You just don't get a permit. These are licensing fees. MS. KELLER: Oh, yeah. MR. JOSLIN: Maybe we should discuss the reinstatement of delinquent licenses. Not that $150 isn't enough or 135 for specialty or 50 for journeyman, but if someone comes in here, we've had several cases corne in here where people corne in and cry the blues that they forgot or their secretaries didn't do it or they need to reinstate their license again. MR. NEALE: I think one of the biggest changes in here, if the Page 69 October 16, 2007 board notes, is it $150 plus the back years. And then they're also -- because of the way the ordinance is written, they pay double fees on top of that. So it stacks up pretty good by adding the plus back years to it. Michael, is that correct? Because I think that was one of the bigger additions that I saw in there. MR. BLUM: If it's not years, what if it's a year? MR. OSSORIO: I think back years would be -- unfortunately my interpretation would be $30, because it's $10 per month. After -- from September 30th till December 31 st would be $10 per month. It was a flat fee of 10 percent, now it's per month. And then you pay your penalty for that 30 and then you have to reinstate the 150 and 100. So it's a little bit different, but it's not a gouge, no. I believe that the business office looked at our fees years ago and actually did a fresh look a month ago, and they didn't want to overpower the Board of County Commissioners. They try to be somewhat, you know, gradually doing it and not this huge number. MR. BLUM: That reasoning is terribly, terribly flawed from my perspective. I mean, business office is not the contractor licensing office nor the contractors, nor the Board of County Commissioners. They don't do the work and they don't see what we see and have to do what we do. That recommendation for me is not at all valid. MR. JOSLIN: I think the higher fees is going to at least prompt all the contractors that do have to go get their licenses renewed that do go delinquent, are going to wake them up real quick that they'd better get their paperwork in line. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Am I correct that impact fees for commercial are doubling January 1st? MR. BLUM: No, they're not doubling. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay. MR. BLUM: In fact, they recommended -- I'm on the productivity committee as well, and we listened to Mrs. Patterson, Page 70 October 16, 2007 Amy Patterson, who's in charge of impact fees. Her office is right on Horseshoe Drive. The recommendation from staff was to go appreciably higher. We didn't approve it. We sent recommendations to make them appreciably lower. In fact, some of them we've rolled back. Everybody is aware of the state of affairs so nobody wanted to really go too crazy, even though it is justified by -- historically in other counties in what's going on. It really is justified. But the climate of the industry does not lend itself to doing that at this time, and we tried to be aware of that. So no, they are not doubling. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Thank you. MR. OSSORIO: One last thing, Mr. Dickson. On this resolution 2007, what is it, Resolution 101? MR. NEALE: Yeah, because it's the board first resolution, continuing. MR. ZACHARY: One. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Okay, so I need a motion to approve the resolution in its entirety as amended. MR. BLUM: So moved, Blum. MR. GUITE': Second, Guite'. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Discussion? (No response.) CHAIRMAN DICKSON: All those in favor. MR. JOSLIN: Aye. MR. BOYD: Aye. MR. GUITE': Aye. MS. KELLER: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. MR. BLUM: Aye. MR. LEWIS: Aye. MR. HERRIMAN: Aye. MR. HORN: Aye. Page 71 October 16, 2007 CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Done. What else have we got? MR. OSSORIO: One last thing. No meeting in November. We're having a meeting in December. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Hallelujah. When's the one in December? MR. BARTOE: Nineteenth. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Oh, wow, a week before Christmas, huh? Are we going to hand out gifts or-- MR. GUITE': You get Christmas bonuses. MS. KELLER: Give us the big cases for that one, Mike. Be the Scrooge. MR. BARTOE: Yeah, it's Christmas bonus time. MR. BLUM: I'm not a Ho Ho kind of guy. MR. JOSLIN: Are we doing gift exchange or what? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: No, that's when the county will hand out our checks. You know, there's some people out there watching that believe that when I say it. MR. JOSLIN: They tell me these guys make too much money. MR. LEWIS: I still believe it, what are you talking about? It is corning, isn't it? CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Oh, sure, yeah. MR. LEWIS: I believe in Santa. Good. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: It's in the mail, it's in the mail. Anybody else got anything? Mr. Neale's on an airplane to China. Good luck. Enjoy that little trip. MR. NEALE: I'll be back in time for the next meeting. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Anybody, if there's no -- can we have a motion to adjourn? MR. JOSLIN: So moved, Joslin. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: All those in favor? MR. JOSLIN: Aye. Page 72 October 16, 2007 MR. BOYD: Aye. MR. GUITE': Aye. MS. KELLER: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: Aye. MR. BLUM: Aye. MR. LEWIS: Aye. MR. HERRIMAN: Aye. MR. HORN: Aye. CHAIRMAN DICKSON: We are adjourned. Thank you. ***** There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 11: 17 a.m. COLLIER COUNTY CONTRACTOR LICENSING BOARD LES DICKSON, Chairman These minutes approved by the Board on or as corrected , as presented TRANSCRIPT PREPARED ON BEHALF OF GREGORY COURT REPORTING SERVICE, INC. BY CHERIE' NOTTINGHAM. Page 73 CONTRACTORS' LICENSING BOARD COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ) COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, Contractors' ) Licensing Board ) 0 ) LL ) Petitioner, )) 3 Board of County Commissioners ) CASE NO.2007-10 ) (I) vs. ) LICENSE NBR.:21977 w ) Scott Perry ) D/B/A A+ A/C Heating of S.W. Florida ) ) +r ) ) 0 Respondent (s) ) I ) ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT The Contractors' Licensing Board of Collier County, Florida, (hereinafter a Board), files this Administrative Complaint against Scott Perry, D/B/A A+ A/C & Heating Of S.W. Florida, (hereinafter Respondent), License Number 21977 and says: a. 0 COUNT I 0 (n 4.2.2- Willfully violating the applicable building codes or laws of the State, City or O Collier County. 0 0 It is determined that the above stated charges are grounds for disciplinary action under Ordinance 90-105 of Collier ! 4unty, Florida, as amended. Dated:8/17/07 �. Director r his/her Designee Collier County Bldg. Review& Permitting C.L.B. #2007-10 Scott Perry D/B/A A+ A/C &Heating of S.W. Florida 5300 Treetops Dr. Naples, Fl. 34113 Case Summary On 1/24/02 Mr. Perry was issued a citation by Michael Ossorio for working with no permit. This citation was paid in full on 2/25/02. On 7/14/03 Mr. Perry contracted with Gerald Powers for the replacement of a 2 Y2 ton A/C compressor. Mr. Perry was paid in full on 7/23/03 in the amount of$2500.00.Collier County records show no permit for this work. In May of 2007, it was brought to the attention of Collier County that Mr. Perry was hired by Sundance Construction Corporation to reinstall A/C units at 5101 Tamiami Tr. E.. Sundance was hired to perform a re-roof at this location. The existing A/C units had to be removed from the roof and reinstalled. The reinstallation required that they be brought up to current code and inspected. After speaking with Mr. Perry on 5/23/07, he stated he would re-activate his registration with Collier County and permit the re- installation of these units. Ultimately another contractor permitted these units. In summary Mr. Perry repeatedly violates State and Collier County building codes by not obtaining permits for work that requires inspection. 2.1 - ,-1 CONTRACTORS' LICENSING BL..,RD . • 2800 N. HORSESHOE DRIVE • NAPLES.; FLORIDA 33942 • COMPLAINT NUMBER ZOO' 10 - . • • COMPLAINANT: ANY PERSON WHO BELIEVES THAT A CONTRACTOR HOLDING A STATE - CERTIFICATION OR CERTIFICATE OF COMPETENCY HAS VIOLATED COLLIER COUNTY ORDINANCE NUMBER 90-105, AS AMENDED, MAY SUBMIT A £WORN COMPLAINT TO THE CONTRACTOR LICENSING SUPERVISOR, OR HIS/HER DESIGNEE. THE COMPLAINT SHALL BE IN SUBSTANTIALLY THE FORM . PRESCRIBED BY THE CONTRACTOR LICENSING SUPERVISOR. THE ' COMPLAINANT SHALL PAY A FEE. OF $50.00, TO DEFRAY THE COSTS OF ADMINISTERING THE COMPLAINT, AT THE TIME OF FILING THE COMPLAINT. THE COMPLAINING PARTY SHALL STATE 'WITH PARTICULARITY WHICH SECTION(S) OF- THIS ORDINANCE HE OR SHE BELIEVES HAS BEEN VIOLATED BY THE CONTRACTOR AND THE ESSENTIAL FACTS IN SUPPORT ' THEREOF. COMPLAINT . PLEASE PRINT OR TYPE AND RETURN SIGNED COPIES OF THE DATE COMPLA NT. • • �J incr, •AGAINST: ' ,, • CONTRACTOR'S N. E: Ck•-• • _ PHONE: v KK'2l0�6. _ BUSINESS NAME: A�- 411111,01M. 1191111E0121, ' . • LICENSE NUMBER IF. KNOWN:CAC V •3t1 - • • COLLIER CO. COMPETENCY # : 'ZI 1T) • • CONTRACTOR'S BUSINESS ADDRESS: S I V N,C4i)7S lei , . • . . f , -(l 34113 FILED BY: t . ' NAME: ` UL 11N - HOME PHONE • ADDRESS: all 1k I ■i C. l IR. 1 �l BUS. PHONE: • • • ADDRESS WHERE WORK DONE: 23(D 1. k1�Yi l"[UD • CITY: 0110(' COUNTY CAIIlir DATE OF CONTRACT 03 DATE JOB STARTED, /In • DATE JOB COMPLETED Q NEW HOME OCCUPIED 703 . WERE THERE PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS? Its IS THERE A WRITTEN CONTRACT?•tS IF YES, AMOUNT OF CONTRACT 5O,?• HAS CONTRACTOR BEEN PAID IN FULL?.5 IF NOT, WHAT AMOUNT? WAS A BUILDING PERMIT OBTAINED? nk - WHO OBTAINED BUILDING PERMIT? PERMIT # IF KNOWN HAVE YOU COMMUNICATED BY LETTER WITH THE LICENSEE? VS. El' .• . ..,...,.. .:„., ,..., . ,.., . . •ryit • • . . . . DATE 93 17 JO -YOU HAVE HIS REPLY? 110 LEASE ATTACH TO THIS ,. ' FORM ALL COPIES OF THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT, BUILDING CONTRACT, HOME • IMPROVEMENT CONTRACT, COPIES OF RECEIPTS AND/OR CANCELED CHECKS AVAILABLE • AND ANY ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR ALLEGATIONS. LIST ANY SUBSECTIONS OF SECTION 4 OF COLLIER COUNTY ORDINANCE NUMBER 90-105, AS AMENDED, WHICH, IN YOUR OPINION, HAVE BEEN VIOLATED BY THE C?ONTRA/CTO1`R. ICH_ IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS COMPLAINT, (LIST SUBSECTION NUMBER) •412- Wlllc�1 ' 1' L 1, r, 1 1 ! 1. it 9 I I• ; 1 • u�. ,.. t ■ � 1►. • • PLEASE STATE THE FACTS WHICH YOU BELIEVE SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CHARGE _OF MISCONDUCT AGAINST THE SUBJ CT CONTRACTOR:- (LIST FACT�S�tSEP TELY FOR EACH • SUBSECTION NUMBER ABOVE) 1 24 i.GIWAA1n IcsurA �L ( Cbtoine Z . 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F-a,, Licensing Portal - License Details Page 1 of 1 n ''""" .. -' ; Luc 'S,A ,' ►� . =ID B P R .- O N L I N E S E R V I C E S s Log On DBPR Home 1 Online Services Home I Help i Site Map NE3:04:07 PA Public Services Search for a Licensee Apply for a License Licensee Details View Application Status Licensee Information Apply to Retake Exam Name: PERRY, SCOTT HENRY (Primary Name) Find Exam Information A+ AIRCONDITIONING & HEATING OF S1i I (DBA Name) File a Complaint Main Address: PO BOX 110212 AB&T Delinquent Invoice NAPLES Florida 34108 & Activity List Search County: COLLIER User Services Renew a License License Mailing: Change License Status Maintain Account Change My Address LicenseLocation: 5300 TREETOPS DRIVE View Messages NAPLES FL 34113 Change My PIN County: COLLIER View Continuing Ed License Information . . License Type: Certified Air Conditioning Contractor Term Glossary Rank: Cert Air License Number: CAC058381 Online Help Status: Current,Active Licensure Date: 12/29/2000 Expires: 08/31/2008 Special Qualification Effective Qualifications Class B View Related License.Information View License-Complaint L I Terms of Use I I Privacy Statement I • E- 3 https://www.myfloridalicense.com/LicenseDetail.asp?SID=&id=817396 7/16/2007 Certificate Detail Report CDPR2305 - Certificate Deta_. Report CERT NBR QUALIFIER NAME DBA STATUS 21977 SCOTT PERRY A+ A/C & HEATING OF S.W. FLORIDA INACTIVE DETAIL CLASS CODE CLASS DESC STATE NBR 1460 A/C CLASS B-CERTIFIED CAC 058381 ORIG ISSD DATE STATE EXP DATE 1/5/2001 8/31/2006 RENEWAL DATE COUNTY COMP CARD COUNTY EXP DATE EXPIRE DATE 8/31/2006 0TH OL NBR COUNTY OL EXEMPT N CNCL DATE COUNTY OL NBR COUNTY OL EXP DATE 0TH OL EXP DATE 001822 9/30/2007 REINSTATE DATE DBA PHONE FAX (239) 495-2666 (239)498-7778 MAILING ADDRESS PHYSICAL ADDRESS P. 0. BOX 110212 5300 TREETOPS DRIVE NAPLES FL 34108- NAPLES FL 34113- LIABILITY INSURANCE COMPANY EXP DATE AUTO BUYERS INSURANCE AGENCY 12/13/2006 PHONE EFFECTIVE DATE (239)598-2004 12/13/2005 POLICY NUMBER CNCL DATE GL0000000001326800 INSURANCE LIMITS 300,000 WORKERS COMPENSATION INSURANCE WC EXEMPT N COMPANY EXP DATE PAYCHEX AGENCY, INC. 3/20/2006 PHONE EFFECTIVE DATE (877)287-1312 3/20/2005 POLICY CNCL DATE Collier County Board of County Commissioners Printed on 7/10/200 9:52:07AM CD-Plus for Windows 95/NT Page 1 A-: ADD CONDITIONING I 31 HVAC `� o-`fyA�i'dVS OF S`�.ORfDA �d 4 SERVICE ORDER �' IL I JC. CACO ...421 ES Treetops Drive: , 7 INVOICE NAPLES, FLORIDA 3411.3 � � 4.,,Con (941) '1-6260 (941) 732-7497 Fax (941) 417-3521 fear. ��� �J 1495 Btu TO r` / 6 ! THIS WANK IS TO BE t ((�//��, r7 C-O.O. CHARGE ii NO CHARGE V "� YANF MANE MODEL YODEL . j • RERIAL NUMBER BCRIAI NUMBER „mew_ TREET Itre , v/ {,� ENVIRONMENTAL.CHECK LIST WORK P. FORMEo. 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REBORED .� CAP TUBE FI, IS �� / .4 4 7,57144...„ (Demise TU9E ADJUSTED _-I REPIIIAED Tttf IIMI i,TAT COIL > FILTERS , )4 Jt.tl,�s ,...�. .�.B.w.. ,..�.�..: L Aup COPPER CONK REPLACEb _...., BELTS I RECOMMENDATIONS CLEANED COIL ADJUSTED TOTAL MATERIALS I �)f1 f / �T_ "57,4,61 I�vELED COS _ _ • .. _ r - fir j^ r6' 7r! ,j f ifiah,fj5.1 11TH C-LO RAWER •HRS.• LABOR RATE AMOUNT J . + /ft ��('� REPLACED LB�If CLEANED I f /�/4 // REPLACED ILlx A I • fit 4 Ge re e+'?.� le a PLIKAP1 S1• I REPIACEOCONT OREASEs I . REPAIRED I ER Mah n LIMITED WARRANTY: All materials, parts , r'I t1 R6 1 CLEANED I I REPLACED on.NN LB Eco BR l�,y�,/��ABO`R� �{ and equipment are warranted by the TOTAL SUMMARY TERMS � .. `�'iC-' V 7T '— manufacturers' or suppliers' wrmen warranty . .../// only m AN labor performed by the above or as TOTAS it? . ..;.....6 �d...,..• * - /--.4..., �� company Is warranted for 30 days or as MATERIALS er otherwise indicated in writing.The above named TO'T'AL company makes no other warranriea. express LABOR 1 heAe euholllr tb order Me watt°Wiwi aeon which hae bees iOlotaClorg COMING I Egan thpl or implied. and Its agents or technicians are SAW ratans lie to equwNMMAn el a Irrnghed Una Mai paymue Le made D yarded di not mate not authorized to make any such warranties as Wean.Mier can remove safe B IHMIlanl nawuue at&1N19 a tense Aar damp aNLAINp EDO on Iberian of above named company, eruct rrrogl ghat rat he Br nrpBllsiDEty al War TRAVEL ,'"j - ': REGULAR l 1 WARRANTY CHARGE / y r 0 SERVICE CONTRACT TAX j•.►- - ,.� - �' :I ha.* [p11 TOT : / . .. ,SOF ■ 2. r0-6' AUG-16-2007 03:49P FROM:GERALD C POWERS 239-775-0319 10:4032469 P.3 " ,•••••. ,---,,, mom L* maul i. 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Collier County Printed on 8:54:32AM 8/14/2007 CD-Plus for Windows 95/98/NT Page 1 of 1 CD-Plus Repor'N Permit Nbr Master Nbr Dm! Status Ube 2003061275 2003061275 REAC COED A+ A/C & HEATING OF S.W. FLORIDA 2005051767 2005051767 REAC CANCEL A+ A/C & HEATING OF S.W. FLORIDA 2003031694 2003031694 REAC CANCEL A+ A/C & HEATING OF S.W. FLORIDA 2004052894 2004052894 REAC CANCEL A+ A/C & HEATING OF S.W. FLORIDA 2002011597 2002011597 REAC COED A+ A/C & HEATING OF S.W. FLORIDA EI.:- g Collier County Printed on :8/16/2007 8:56:42 AM CD-Plus for Windows 95/98/NT Page :1 n CERTIFIED MAIL#70032260000742976274 RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED Date: 8/3/07 Scott Perry 5300 Treetops Dr. Naples,Fl.34113 RE: Complaint filed against you by Gerald Powers Dear Mr.Perry: A complaint has been filed against you by the above referenced individual. A hearing of this complaint will be held by the Contractors' Licensing Board on September19,2007 at 9:00 AM in the Board of County Commissioner's Room,Third Floor,Administration Building(W. Harmon Turner Bldg.),at 3301 East Tamiami Trail,Naples,Florida. Your presence before the Contractors' Licensing Board is required at this time. The packet you will receive marked composite exhibit"A"will be delivered to the members of the Contractors' Licensing Board one week prior to the hearing. If you wish to prepare a defense packet and have it delivered in conjunction with composite exhibit"A",you must make fifteen copies and have them in our office by 8:00 AM on Wednesday, one week prior to the hearing. In your packet,you may give a summary of events. At this meeting,you may present evidence and be represented by an attorney of your choice. In the event the Contractors' Licensing Board finds you in violation of Section number(s)4.2.2 of Ordinance#2002-21,as amended,the range of disciplinary sanctions which may be imposed are from an oral reprimand to a suspension or revocation of your Collier County Certificate#21977 and/or suspension or revocation of your permit privileges against your state license#CAC058831. Sincerely, Ian Jackson Licensing Compliance Officer phone#239-403-2451 _ 9 ■—•N • U.S. Postal Service, CERTIFIED MAIL,. RECEIPT m (Domestic Mail Only;No Insurance Coverage Provided) -D For delivery information visit our website at www.usps.com. OFFICIAL USE ru Postage $ rATIG Ci Certified Fee 0., Postmark im Return Reclept Fee Here (Endorsement Required) CI Restricted Delivery Fee ..11 (Endorsement Required) rU ru Total Postage&Fees $ ril im Sent To ‘5elrif Peg! street,Apt.No.; or PO Box No. ■,)300 Tree-lop 5 DE City,State,Z112+4 'a 5 L 5/11 PS Form 3800,June 2002 See Reverse for Instructions • • • Gjo • • tr'.. 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LOCATION:649 GRAND RAPIDS BLVD ZONED: HOME OCCUPATION LEGAL FORM BUSINESS PHONE: 269-1053 OLEaP 9PR�T�a •. S, KRINKLE HOME SERVICES ,r 0 if x BEAL,DAVID I I • 1 649 GRAND RAPIDS BLVD 4 R NAPLES FL 34120• &,F DATE 09/18/2007 I NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES: 1-5 EMPLOYEES d AMOUNT 22,00 NI CLASSIFICATIONAINT.SERVICE/NO CONTRACTOR WORKS R RECEIPT 2544.43 CLASSIFICATION CODE: 03703301 '� tom. •+' This document is a business tax only.This is not certification that licensee is qualified. � , , -7 ' It does not permit the licensee to violate any existing regulatory zoning laws of the statea,,.cofinty or cities nor does it exempt the licensee from any other taxes or permits that may be required by law.