HC MSTU Minutes 11/06/2023
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November 6, 2023 meeting minutes
HALDEMAN CREEK MSTU MINUTES FOR NOVEMBER 6, 2023
The meeting of the Haldeman Creek MSTU Advisory Committee was called to order by Roy
Wilson at 2:30 p.m. at 3299 Tamiami Trail E, 3rd Floor BCC Chambers, Naples, FL 34112.
1. Roll Call: Roy Wilson, Chairman, Bill Robbins, Jacob Dutry Van Haeften, Robert
Wopperer; Greg Oravec, CRA Director, Shirley Garcia, Program Manager
2. Pledge of Allegiance: Led by Roy Wilson.
3. Adoption of Agenda:
Bill Robins: Motion to approve the agenda as written.
Robert Wopperer: Seconds the motion. Approved unanimously.
4. Public to be Heard: None.
5. Approval of Minutes for May 8, 2023:
Jacob Dutry Van Haeften: Motion to approve the minutes as written.
Robert Wopperer: Seconds the motion. Approved unanimously.
6. Community/Business – Presentations: None
7. Old Business:
a. Humistonn and Moore, Matt Goddard, Project Manager via Zoom
Roy Wilson: Regarding the letter from September 25, we have your analysis
whether or not we had more debris and filling of Haldeman Creek after Irma, but
now we have Ian. I would like to see recommendations in layman’s terms or
somebody explaining what is in the reports. I didn’t know back then what it told
me other than I did not a red flag saying we had a problem you need to deal with.
Matt Goddard: The determination at the time of the September 25 letter was
taking the information we had and realizing we didn’t have enough information. It
wasn’t a recommendation but just a quick summary.
Greg Oravec: By Ordinance #2660, we were created for the purpose of
maintenance dredging and the maintenance of navigation channel markers. That
is your mission. Help me understand how you want to effectuate that purpose. The
last time we dredged was in 2006-2007. How often have we been doing the
surveying of the channels – one time. That’s really not on a frequency necessary
to really know what’s going on. We need a professional opinion/recommendation
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from Matt to be running it on a useful interval and have a level of service
standards. And it’s up to the MSTU to make a recommendation to the DCC on
what should be done on what basis and how much will it cost. You should have
good baseline information, navigation channel markers and the do’s and don’ts,
and a good map. The 2019 report is aging out as far as usefulness and not reliable.
If the main channel is your number one priority, I would want to hear from
Matt the magnitude and what it would cost to do that in today’s market and
compare it to your budget. Your secondary priority is the finger channels.
Bill Robbins: It’s never been clear in the surveys what needs to be done. A
question I have is what is 8,000, 10,000, or 15,000 cubic yards throughout
the entire extent of the area? Can we get a professional say that at a certain
amount it would be time to work it over?
Further discussion with regard to:
Too shallow along the sides and near boat ramps
Large boats
Large rocks that cannot be removed
Matt Goddard: Overall it’s not that bad. You have hot spots where there is
settlement/infill. There may be issues in the canals in certain spots and some
canals do not have issues. They change from canal to canal. The elevation on the
East side of the bridge is different from the West side.
Further discussion with regard to:
Hurricane events that causes different area problems
Dredge depths that are different for each canal
Overall costs
Decisions based on intelligent recommendations based on facts to the BCC
Permit is still good from the Army Core of Engineers; need expiration date
updated
Property owners getting their own permit to piggyback
Started in 2019 but was set aside before the second phase
Once dredging is finished, there could be have a life expectancy for 50 years
Greg Oravec: Matt will receive in writing a request for opinion on the following:
(1) what does it take for a property owner to dredge adjacent to their dock and
seawall; (2) as a part of a county project in the Haldeman MSTU, can a property
owner piggyback on our permit – can the dredging of the dock and seawall areas
be done under our permit at that time or does it have to be separate? (3) Give us a
monthly report on the status of the permit.
Roy Wilson: To move forward we get a baseline survey updated and then get the
gears rolling to ask for bids. It still gets back to where we are today and how do
we move forward.
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Al Schantzen: The mechanical dredge is the way to go. The suction dredge that
they used back in 2007 they could never keep enough water in the pipe to remove
all the silt. Another is using a drone to fly over which would eliminate manpower.
Roy Wilson: We would allow the bidder to choose his own method.
Motion for staff to prepare the request for bid to do cross sections that match the
end of the dredge cross session of Holdeman Creek to indicate depths.
Bill Robbins: Seconds the motion.
Approved unanimously.
7. b. Draft Ordinance HC Obstructions (Attachment)
Shirley Garcia: Is handling the writing of any changes.
Roy Wilson: Makes motion of the letter to the County Commissioners saying
Handeman Creek MSTU supports this change.
Bill Robbins: Seconds the motion. Approved unanimously.
8. New Business
a. Advisory Committee Application, William Robert Bynum (Attachment)
b. Advisory Committee Application, Greg Orick (Attachment)
Voting was done and William Robert Bynum was chosen for the addition to the
Board.
Dutry Van Haeften: Motion made for Mr. Bynum to fill the vacancy.
Bill Robbins: Seconds the motion. Approved unanimously.
c. 2024 Meeting Calendar (Attachment)
Change made with meetings to be held at 3:30 p.m. Next meeting date is Monday,
February 5.
9. Staff Report – October Financials (Attachment)
Greg Oravec: The BCC honored this advisory board’s recommendation and so your
mileage rate stayed neutral.
Shirley Garcia: Tasked with getting another bathymetric survey, I would need at least a
couple of months to get that in place and look at who is on the contract so we might be
able to award somebody. Then bring back an update on that with an amount and an action
item.
Greg Oravec: I want to get some of these baselines definitively addressed for you in one
place so that you can always consult them from here forward. (Roy Wilson would like to
meet with Greg on this.)
10. Correspondence and Communication
a. International Coastal Clean-up, 9-16-2023 (Attachment)
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b. Operation Medicine Cabinet Drop-Off Sites (Attachment)
11. Public Comments
12. Staff Comments
13. Advisory Board General Communications
14. Next Meet Date
Monday, February 5, 2023 at 3:30 p.m.
15. Adjournment
Meeting adjourned at 4:05 p.m.
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Approved by: Roy Wilson, Chairman