BCC Minutes 09/20/2007 B (Budget)
September 20, 2007
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Naples, Florida, September 20, 2007
BUDGET HEARINGS
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County
Commissioners, in and for the County of Collier, and also acting as
the Board of Zoning Appeals and as the governing board( s) of such
special district as has been created according to law and having
conducted business herein, met on this date at 5:05 a.m., in SPECIAL
SESSION in Building "F" of the Government Complex, East Naples,
Florida, with the following members present:
CHAIRMAN: Jim Coletta
Tom Henning
Fred W. Coyle
Donna Fiala
Frank Halas
ALSO PRESENT:
Jim Mudd, County Manager
David Weigel, County Attorney
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COLLIER COUNTY
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
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BUDGET AGENDA
Thursday, September 20, 2007
5:05 p.m.
Jim Coletta, Chairman, District 5
Tom Henning, Vice-Chairman, District 3
Donna Fiala, Commissioner, District 1
Fred W. Coyle, Chairman, District 4
Frank Halas, Chairman, District 2
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THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' OFFICE.
1. Pledge of Allegiance
2. Advertised Public Hearing - BCC FY 2007-08 Budget
A. Discussion of FY 08 Millage Rates and Increases over the Rolled Back
Rates
Discussed
B. Discussion of Further Amendments to the Tentative Budget
Discussed;
Motion to take money out of the UFR to fund Supervisor of Elections
shortfall due to special election - Approved 5/0;
Motion to use $37,500 from UFR for payroll processing by the
Supervisor of Elections - Approved 5/0
C. Public Comments and Questions
1) Roland Fondessy on Property Taxes
2) Chuck Mohlke on upcoming election in January 2008
D. Resolution to Amend the Tentative Budgets
Resolution 2007-258 -Adopted w/changes 4/1 (Commissioner Henning
opposed)
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E. Public Reading of the Taxing Authority Levying Millage, the Name of the
Taxing Authority, the Rolled-Back Rate, the Percentage Increase, and the
Millage Rate to be Levied
Read into record
F. Adoption of Resolution Setting Millage Rates
Resolution 2006-259 - Adopted:
Motion to approve the Dependent Districts' millage - Approved 5/0;
Motion to approve the Balance of the millage - Approved 5/0
G. Resolution to Adopt the Final Budget by Fund
Resolution 2006-260 - Adopted:
Motion to approve the Dependent Districts budget - Approved 5/0;
Motion to approve the Final Budget for the Independents
- Approved 4/1 (Commissioner Henning opposed)
3. Adjourn
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September 20, 2007
MR. MUDD: Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd please take your
seats.
Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, you have a hot mike.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Thank you, Mr. Mudd.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Board of Collier County
Commissioners' final budget hearing, and the date now is September
20,2007.
We'll stand at this time for the Pledge of Allegiance to be led by
Commissioner Fiala.
(The Pledge of Allegiance was recited in unison.)
Item # 2A
DISCUSSION OF FY 08 MILLAGE RATES AND INCREASES
OVER THE ROLLED BACK RATES - DISCUSSED
MR. MUDD: Commissioners, your agenda is on the visualizer
right now, and we're moving to paragraph number two, the advertised
public hearing for Collier County BCC FY-200712008 budget. And
first will be a discussion of the FY-'08 millage rates and increases over
the rollback rate. And, 1'11 turn this over to Mr. Smykowski.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Good evening, Commissioners, the
members of the public. For the record, Michael Smykowski, the
Collier County OMB director. I'd like to welcome everyone to our
final budget hearing for the Collier County government fiscal year
2008 budget which begins in October, 2007, and runs through
September 30, 2008.
At this hearing tonight final decisions will be made regarding the
tax rates in the final budgets, but the public will be afforded an
opportunity to speak tonight before those votes are taken.
From an administrative standpoint, there are agendas in the
hallway as well as speaker sign-up slips. You must register if you
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wish to address the Board of County Commissioners regarding the
county budget, and I will have some introductory remarks that Mr.
Mudd talked about that are required in statute, followed by -- item 1 C
on the agenda is the opportunity for public comment.
Speakers will be called by name by Ms. Filson up at the front.
So if you're interested in speaking, again, you will need to fill out a
speaker -- a speaker form, and Ms. Filson will call the names.
With that, we'll move to item 1A -- excuse me -- item 2A on the
budget which is a discussion of the FY-2008 millage rates, funding the
budget, and increases over the rolled-back rate.
This year the legislative session was dominated by discussions
about property tax reform and property tax reductions. And in late
June, early July, the legislators finally voted on a package of tax
reform. Based on their decisions, Collier County fell into the category
of having to reduce their millage below the rolled-back rate by 9
percent.
And what is the rolled-back rate? That is a somewhat esoteric
discussion, but essentially what it means is, over time property tends
to increase in valuation. And just to give a simple example, if you had
a house valued at $100,000 and we levied one mill in taxation, that
would generate $100 in tax revenue.
In the subsequent year, if that single home doubled in value to
$200,000, to generate the same $100 of tax revenue, you would, in
effect, roll back the millage rate or tax rate from one mill to one-half
mill to generate that same $100 of tax revenue.
And Florida law requires us to identify the rolled-back rate and
express our millages that we will be adopting tonight. The percentage
increase is not over the millage rate that was adopted for fiscal year
2007, roughly one year ago from today, but rather from the
rolled-back millage rate itself.
Overall, the aggregate millage rate is decreasing; 9.18 percent at
the very bottom. That's a weighted average of all of the various taxing
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units that are administered by Collier County government. The one
that draws the most attention, where the bulk of County government
services are provided is the first one on the list, the general fund,
which is where the bulk of county services are provided that are
supported by ad valorem taxes.
Last year's millage rate was 3.579. The rolled-back rate was
3.4582. The proposed millage rate is 3.1469; a decrease of9 percent.
The Board of County Commissioners was very clear. In July
they set their tentative millage rate, which was used in preparing the
truth in millage -- truth in millage notices that were sent to each
property owner in Collier County prior to these hearings so that they
would understand the implications to each individual property owner
resulting from changes in both the tax rates and the increases in
valuation. And homestead properties this year increased 2 and a half
percent.
Are there any questions or comments? If not --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I have one question on that page, if I
-- if I may ask it.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: About halfway down it talks about
Goodland and Horrs Island Fire MSTU, but Horrs Island didn't -- it
annexed into the City of Marco Island. Do we still service them?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: No, not Horrs Island. That was the official
title ofthe MSTU when it was re -- when it was created. I don't
believe we've amended the MSTU just to change the name, but no,
Goodland -- Horrs Island, is now served, I believe, by the City of
Marco Island --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: -- as a result of that change.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: So this is really serving Goodland only.
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Item #2B
FY08 MILLAGE RATES AND INCREASES OVER THE ROLLED
BACK RATES - DISCUSSED
That will move us to item 2B, discussions of further amendments
to the tentative budget.
Page 1 of the general fund, there was a net change of $2,452,000.
It reflects the updated clerk FY-'07 budget forecast. We had initially
included an estimated turnback of $25 million. The revised turnback
is in excess of $30 million resulting from the additional interest
earnings being higher than budget.
In addition, pursuant to the resolution the board adopted recently
relative to the interest earnings, we have budgeted the interest earnings
directly in the general fund rather than within the clerk's budget itself
since that money is money of the Board of County Commissioners
from Board of County Commissioners funds.
The change in the clerk budget reflects fee revenue that was
included in his September 1, 2007, budget submittal. It's a major
decrease because, again, the interest revenue is being budgeted in the
general fund rather than in the clerk fund 011.
The rest of the changes identified on this page, and they include
planning services fund, 131, there was -- the board recently approved
an environmental resource permitting program at the board meeting of
September 11 tho So we've incorporated that change into the adopted
budget.
The Bayshore Gateway Triangle redevelopment district had a net
change, a lot of it relating to -- there will not be debt service
associated with that $9 million loan due to the recent Supreme Court
decision. So we rippled through the budget the changes resulting from
that board decision.
The TDC beach renourishment fund, there were a few projects
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that the board had approved in July that were not initially identified in
the budget. We simply -- there's no net change to the fund, but we
reduced budgeted reserves in FY -'08 to accommodate that project. It
was Naples Pier's repairs and maintenance.
The Wachovia credit, CRA credit line, again, that is the
associated debt service fund that would have been related to the $9
million revolving line of credit for the Bayshore Gateway Triangle,
given that that loan was not completed due to the Supreme Court
decision.
Obviously there will not be a need for debt service at this point in
time, so we moved the million dollars of estimated debt service back
from the debt service fund into available reserves within the Bayshore
Gateway Triangle fund in order that -- restore that fund to the full
amount of funds that will truly be available in FY-'08, because unless
-- there is talk of a rehearing that's been requested, but until a final
court decision is made, Mr. Jackson, I think, will be relegated funding
items on a pay-as-you-go basis.
So by moving this million dollars from the debt service fund,
because there will not be debt service at this point, that will provide a
million dollars in reserves within his fund to fund pay-as-you-go
projects within the boundaries of the Bayshore Gateway Triangle.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: I'm going to interrupt you for a
minute.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: I have two lights on. I'm not too sure
if the commissioners want to address the item now or if they want to
wait till the end of your presentation. But Commissioner Henning,
then Commissioner Coyle. Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Well, that $14.5 million, we can
use that to fund stormwater, right? It's not allocated to anything. It's a
reduction. Why don't we fund stormwater?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: No. That money is allocated. We had
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banked on a turnback from the Clerk of Courts totaling $20 million.
So the general fund was already -- revenue was already predicated on
receiving a transfer from the clerk with the change. All we did was
change the fund. And there will be no transfer turnback from the
clerk, because at this point the interest is budgeted directly in the
general fund.
So it's just approximately the same net change. It's just the
simple fact that rather than the clerk budgeting the interest in his fund
and returning it back to the general fund via a transfer, that interest
earnings are simply now budgeted directly in the generally fund.
But we were already banking on that tumback revenue from the
clerk.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. So we're going to invest
those moneys, the Board of Commissioners, instead of the clerk now?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: No, sir.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. That will be interesting.
That's it.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Commissioner Coyle?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: That wasn't my question, but I'm
still confused about it. I'm not sure I followed the explanation. Is this
an actual increase or decrease in the budget or is it merely a transfer
from one source or line item to another?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: It's primarily a transfer from one line item
source to another. The transfer from the clerk was reduced, but then
we offset that by budgeting the interest earnings directly in the general
fund rather than in the clerk fund.
And the general fund increased largely due to the updated
estimate of the turnback for the current fiscal year that we were in. On
September 1st, we received a copy of the clerk's fee component of the
budget that also included an interest estimate and his forecast expenses
within his budget, and we had estimated initially a $25 million
forecast turnback. And based on the numbers submitted by the clerk, it
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would be 30 million -- 30.8 million in round numbers.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay. So bottom line, this
particular item is not changing the total number -- amount of dollars
that we're getting or that we have available in our budget?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Not by changing the interest earnings. The
net change to the general fund, again, is primarily a function of the
additional turnback revenue and the -- at this point the UFR balance is
just in excess of$5.9 million.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: So it has increased slightly as a result of
those --
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay. Let me ask two more quick
questions. And I guess I really don't -- don't have a strong position on
this issue at all, but I would like to ask the other commissioners if it is
worth discussing, and that's the allocation of funds for a clerk's
employee to be present during BCC meetings.
We originally agreed to do that so the clerk could sit here with us
on the dais so that if there were any problems with respect to decisions
we were -- we were making or any allocations of funds that might not
be in strict conformance with the law, that the clerk could be here to
provide us some guidance before the fact.
Now, that has never happened, and we have the clerk's employee
here who, of course, doesn't have the authority to make those kinds of
decisions. And I'm wondering if the commissioners feel that it is a
wise expenditure of taxpayer money to pay a clerk's employee to sit
here on the dais and not serve the purpose for which we asked for that
function to be done.
So we could save the clerk money. I'm sure he can have other
things for these people to do. It has to deprive him of some of the
manpower that he could use for other purposes. But I'm just asking a
question. Do you think we ought to continue that or not?
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: I'd like to address that, in may,
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because I was the one that did the research to find out how many
counties had the Clerk of Courts sitting on the dais and pushed the
issue to the point where the clerk agreed to do it, and then he attended
for some meetings, I forget how many it was, and then he was
augmented at times by one of his employees, and eventually the clerk
just didn't show up again.
And the reason was the same reason you mentioned,
Commissioner Coyle, I wanted to make sure the clerk was here at the
front where we were making these decisions so that he could enter his
opinion in and maybe give us guidance.
1'11 tell you what, as far as the clerk being here, I'd absolutely
welcome the opportunity. Less than the clerk, one of his employees
being here, they bear a certain amount of responsibility in the fact that
they are here bearing witness. And ifhe's got them here, they should
be putting their input in or notifying the clerk to be here at certain
times.
I'd be kind of reluctant to get to the point to say that I don't want
even their employee. I prefer to have the clerk. In lieu of the clerk,
I'm very content with one of his employees.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay. All I'm saying is we're
spending money to do this. If you think it's serving its purpose --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Sixty thousand, I think it was.
Was that what the item was?
MR. MUDD: Sixty thousand.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Sixty thousand a year to have the
clerk sit up here -- or the clerk's representative sit up on the dais.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: How do they figure that charge?
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: I'm sorry. Commissioner Henning's
next, then we'll come right to you.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I'm trying to figure out what line
item that we're discussing here.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: It's the same one that you raised the
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question on, Commissioner Henning. It's clerk 01 --
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Oh, that's $14.4 million.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Yeah. But you'll see that it says
allocating funds for a clerk's employee to be present during BCC
meetings. And it just raised my interest, and I just wanted to know if
-- I would -- I would be willing to leave the decision up to the clerk. If
he thinks it serves a general purpose to do that, I don't mind paying
$60,000 for it, but ifhe thinks that he can use his employee more
effectively elsewhere, then maybe we ought to work together to try to
save $60,000.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Let me go to Fiala, and then come
right back.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No, that's all right.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: What -- I think we've already
made that decision by not giving him any money, don't you?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: No, I really don't. I really don't.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: No.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: That's interesting.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: I personally would like to require the
clerk to be on here by paying that $60,000 and getting the -- what we
paid for the performance for it. I think we'd be better served if the
Clerk of Court was here rather than making comments after the fact.
We've tried to make him part of this process. I think we've done a
remarkable job. I mean, they're all levels of this government. The
Clerk of Court or his representatives have sat through every process
we go through, contracts, whatever, been apprised of everything that
we're doing, and I think it's very important that they still be a part of
this -- these proceedings.
I would love to see him participate rather than staying in the
background. You did bring up a very good point. Maybe we could
address it in some forum --
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Well, it's not a big issue, so 1'11 just
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go off of that one and go to something -- the other one, if you don't
mind, because I hadn't finished my questions. I had two more.
One had to do with the Wachovia credit line. Tell me, County
Manager, is the revolving state loan fund classified as a debt that is
prohibited under the court's recent ruling? Or maybe the county
attorney can express an opinion, but --
MR. MUDD: Commissioner, it -- well, first the good news is the
Supreme Court acquiesced today and said they'll rehear it.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Oh, good.
MR. MUDD: Okay. So that's good news. And the date of that
is still unknown. I didn't get that in the press release.
Based on my read, it has to do with -- it has to do with loans, and
even the state revolving fund, the SRB or whatever, is still a loan and
it still goes -- and still goes to debt. And I believe it's still covered
based on this ruling. Hopefully it will get reheard and that will go
away, or at least it will come down with some more detail then it
basically prohibits everything.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay. All right. Thank you. That
completes my questions then, Mr. Chairman.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. That -- I have two questions,
too, regarding that particular issue. If they reverse their decision, will
we be able to get this Wachovia credit line back again?
MR. MUDD: Yes, ma'am. And you'll have -- and you have a
couple of executive summaries for Tuesday that talk about, number
one, the person that we were going to buy the land for (sic) for $3.5
million has agreed to extend the terms, okay, at no loss to us of that
$100,000 that's sitting there until after the special election of 29
January, because --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, good.
MR. MUDD: And we talk about coming back with a referendum
language to be put on the ballot for that day. And I believe Wachovia
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said they'd -- they'd go back, and -- you know, we're going to have to
update it to some extent, but they're willing to do that, once we can
show some kind of a backing as far as -- what's the word I want to use
-- backing for the loan that you're going to basically have.
MR. WEIGEL: Collateral.
MR. MUDD: Your collateral on that part -- thank you, David --
on that particular issue. And once that's done, I think we're -- I think
we're -- we're back on track.
And Mr. Jackson has been busy trying to clean it up, so to speak,
our particular situation, because of the Supreme Court thing. He's
been doing Yeoman work on that.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Great. Back to the other discussion,
the clerk employee present at our meetings. It says just to fund that
employee present at the meetings. Does that -- that's only two
meetings a month, which boils down $30,000 a meeting.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: No.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well, it says --
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Sixty thousand for the whole year.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'm sorry. What am I talking about?
Excuse me. Okay, 60,000 a year. So what does that come out to?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Well, if we take more vacations,
it will be a lot less.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. But I'm wondering if that
also goes in -- I meet with her all the time, and I'm glad that I do
because she helps me with the budget items in the agenda, and I can
ask her questions that I have a concern about. And I think that's good
for her, good for me. And at the same time, I know she meets with
you and your staff every month before this. Does that $60,000 also
include that or is that --
MR. MUDD: That was included in the amount of money that
was negotiated in a resolution that you made with him, with the clerk,
and that is in your budget and that is funded for that $60,000, so --
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay, good. I think that that's a
worthwhile expenditure. I think that we need to have the clerk
included in all of our hearings. And I depend -- even if it isn't clerk,
even if it's his representative, I think that's important to our meetings.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: I agree with you, but I -- once again,
I'd prefer to have the clerk here. And of that $60,000 we're spending
while his employees are here, they're spending almost every minute of
that time with the computer doing office work.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah, I know.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: So I mean, you know, I think that
we've paid a premium price for what we're getting, but it was one of
those things where we wanted the clerk here. We thought we were
going to have the clerk personally when we first started.
Commissioner Halas?
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Yeah. I'm glad we're having this
discussion. I think what Commissioner Coyle brought up bears merit.
But I think that I've got some of my concerns answered, because I
also meet with the clerk's rep. the day before our meetings, and I
always ask that everything that's been -- that's on the agenda has been
reviewed.
And so I think just that representative being -- from the clerk's
office being present when staff has their meeting, I think, helps out,
and I think maybe it will assist in building a relationship. So I -- as far
as the person sitting here on the day of the board meeting, maybe the
60,000 is well spent when staff has their meetings and that
representative's there --
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: -- discussing all the items that are
-- because I believe that person is at staff meetings, is that correct,
County Manager?
MR. MUDD: Yes, sir, every time.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: So that way we get a -- before it
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even gets to us, it's pretty-well cleaned up and we know that we're
good to go.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Mr. Mudd, would you comment on
how often the clerk comes into the county process when we're making
decisions? I know there's many meetings that take place, and there's
also a contract review section.
MR. MUDD: Yes, sir. What happens prior to a board agenda,
for instance, we -- before we go out to print on the Wednesday, which
was yesterday for this next Tuesday, 1'11 have a staff meeting, and
we'll go over the agenda in particular every item on that agenda and
basically answer any questions from staff. And the clerk's office
normally -- either Ms. Kinzel or Mr. Johnssen are in attendance. This
last time both were there -- and we go through the issue and we
basically talk about any concerns.
If the clerk has concerns on a particular item, they address it at
that time and the staff works it out. If they can't work out that issue,
we'll continue that item till the next meeting and work through that
process. So it's turned out to be very good as far as the division staff
meeting is concerned, my meeting.
They also -- we have a finance committee in which the clerk is a
partner with, with -- along with our financial advisor. This last year
they've met seven times in their -- because you have some debt items
that are going away. You had the Forest Lakes MSTU loan that they
worked through, and they work through all those particular issues.
That's a very good group, working group. Mr. Smykowski's on it,
Ms. Kinzel comes, Mr. Johnssen comes from the clerk's office, Mr.
Wides from public utilities, Hal, our financial advisor, is there, and
there's probably some more that are in attendance, Mr. Y onkowsky
and Susan Usher are part of that group, and they work through all the
debt service obligations or payment, repayments of loans.
You'll notice that there's two payments of loans where we totally
extinguished those this time around. So that's a good group, and they
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meet multiple times during the year.
And then the clerk's representative meets the board members
normally on the Monday prior to the meeting. Whenever we basically
talk about finance and it has to do with the business of the county, we
make sure that the clerk's representative is included.
And I believe a clerk's representative also goes to the
Productivity Committee meeting and is there. So they're involved in
that particular aspect.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: How about contract oversight?
MR. MUDD: Yes, sir. That has to go with the contracts that are
there that you basically cut, payments to contractors. They have to
make sure that it's a legitimate bill that's put by the contractor, and
they oversee that along with our purchasing department.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: And all this has been put into place in
the past six years, in remember correctly.
MR. MUDD: No, sir. I think contracting and payments were
there prior to six years ago. That was always -- that was always there
but it was -- I call it over the -- over the partition, office partition. One
group used to just send it over the partition, and there was no
communication. That's been resolved, and I believe there's not
paperwork -- I believe it's a sharing of information.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: But I mean, the open
communication's been going on for some time now?
MR. MUDD: Yes, sir. The staff meetings and stuff started when
I became county manager.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. And that $60,000 wasn't just
to have the clerk representative up here. It was to cover a lot of these
other costs, too; is that correct?
MR. MUDD: No, sir, it's not. The resolution that was passed by
the Board of County Commissioners was basically a fee for -- it was a
cost for the clerk to be on the dais, and that's how that resolution went.
And I can get you that copy of that resolution, if you'd like, sir.
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CHAIRMAN COLETTA: The resolution said clerk or his
representative?
MR. MUDD: Off the top of my head, I can't tell you
specifically, sir. But I remember what the money was for.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: It's about $2,000 a meeting.
MR. MUDD: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: That sheds another light on it.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. Anybody else want to make
some comments? If so, just push your little light button. If not, we'll
continue.
Go ahead. We'll continue.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Yes, thank you. The last three items are
capital proj ect funds, 301; parks capital, 306; and roads, CIP 313.
Those changes were all dictated by board decisions that were
approved at the September 11 th county commission meeting, where
you approved, in the case of 30 1, a budget amendment for the
Supervisor of Elections. In addition, the commercial paper loan for
800 megahertz hasn't been executed, so we're moving the funds that
were initially forecast in this fiscal year for debt service into reserves.
The parks capital, there are three budget amendments for grants,
and there was also a change in the boater registration revenues
exceeding the forecast by $83,000, so we wanted to capture that.
Finally, in 313, the roads capital improvement fund, there were
two budget amendments for grants, but the grants will not be received
prior to the close of the fiscal year, so they're simply being rebudgeted
in 2008.
There's also one change. The sheriffs staff provided me the
emergency 911 funds, and there's also a wireless e911 fund. That was
in your budget package back at the June workshops totaling
6,567,600. At the top of that it shows the revenues and expenses
individually for the fund 189, which is the wireless fund, and 199.
There was a recent legislative change that requires that in fiscal
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year 2008, the new money coming into both the -- in franchise fee
revenue from both the wireless and the 911 phone system be budgeted
in a consolidated trust fund.
So you'll notice, while the appropriations are now spread
amongst three funds, the grand total is still $6,567,600. The residual
cash in the wireless 189 fund of 1,747,300, and the approximately
$2.7 million in the e911 fund, which is fund number 199, will remain
in the old funding source, but any new collections are required under
-- under the law change to be budgeted in the consolidated trust fund.
So, again, the total appropriations, none of the expenses have
changed at all in total. Each of the line -- the lines are consistent,
however; they are spread simply amongst three funds for fiscal year
'08, and we wanted to bring that to your attention. And the sheriffs
staff obviously was hopeful to get that change into the adopted budget
rather than having to make all those moves by budget amendment.
And with that, that would conclude the changes to the amended
budget.
MR. MUDD: And it brings us to public comments and
questions, Mr. Smykowski.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Yes.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I have a question.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Yes. Commissioner Henning, then
Commissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Pardon me. So it's a big deal to
do a budget amendment?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: No, sir, but it would require an executive
summary and a series of budget amendments for each of these
respective funds, and then when they bring forth their budget next
year, if it were not in the adopted budget, the adopted budget total
would be zero in this consolidated fund 611, so the apples to apples
comparison wouldn't necessarily be true. So it's really to the benefit
for -- even for next year's budget comparison, to have that change
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incorporated into the adopted budget.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Well, wouldn't it be appropriate
now to do the -- instead of doing a budget amendment, to allocate the
funds that the Supervisor of Elections talked to you about, the shortfall
in her expenditures since the clerk is not going to do her financing?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: We can talk about that at any given point,
but --
MR. MUDD: I mean, I know of one thing the Supervisor of
Elections, the issue that we have to talk about is the Representative
Mike Davis special election and the costs of that, and that's some
$250,000. And I received that letter --
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I don't -- I don't think the
Supervisor of Elections spoke out of turn when I spoke to her this
morning when she had talked to you about shortfalls in her budget.
MR. BEAUCHAMP: Commissioner--
MR. MUDD: I talked to Mr. Beauchamp, and this is the issue we
talked about.
MR. BEAUCHAMP: Yes. I had spoken -- Gary Beauchamp,
chief deputy, Supervisor of Elections. Commissioners, good evening.
Mike Smykowski, the OMB director, and I spoke, I think it was
earlier this week. Commissioner Coletta had spoken to Supervisor
Edwards with respect to the clerk doing our accounting, running our
payroll and our payable checks.
We're -- and he asked us to get bids to handle the -- our functions
outside of the clerk's office, and we're waiting on those bids to come
in. And my conversation with Mr. Smykowski is, if the bids come in
higher than whatever the clerk has quoted us, which is $37,000, if it's
over that -- or we stay with the clerk, would it be best to amend our
budget now or do a budget amendment later? Mr. Smykowski said it
didn't matter. We could do a budget amendment later on for the
37,000. I think that was this week I spoke to you about -- maybe --
MR. SMYKOWSKI: It wasn't this week.
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MR. BEAUCHAMP: It may have been last week. I can't
remember now. And it was indicated that it could go either way. But
rather --
MR. SMYKOWSKI: But in this case the funding is uncertain as
to what the bids would be and which option you would choose, so --
MR. BEAUCHAMP: That's correct.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: -- so there's a level of uncertainty in that
sense.
MR. BEAUCHAMP: We know the clerk has quoted a price of
$37,000 to continue to do our financial services, our payroll and our
payables and investments and filing all the state forms and everything
associated with that, so that we know is certain at 37-, and we haven't
gotten the bids back on all -- from all the companies that we sent the
request out to.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Well, good. At least we're
aware of it and we don't have to read about it in the Naples Daily
News. We heard it right here.
MR. BEAUCHAMP: And what Mr. Mudd was speaking about
in our conversation today, the -- we were notified by executive order
today by the governor to have a special election to fill the vacancy in
house district 101. We have estimated the cost of those elections to be
approximately 125,000 for the primary election to -- for that position
or that vacancy, and also a general election.
It appears that the governor's office wants that position -- that
vacancy filled prior to January 1 so that that election could not be held
on the January 29th primary. We've issued -- issued -- I brought a
letter over that Supervisor Edwards had signed to Chairman Coletta
and also provided a copy of that to Mr. Mudd.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Mr. Mudd, would that particular item
best be discussed when we get to the UFR list where we have some
discretionary funds to work with?
MR. MUDD: Sir, my recommendation is that you take money
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off the UFR list in this particular regard, you create the special project
fund with $250,000 in it.
As it states in this letter, it's $125,000 per election. One is the
primary and one is the regular election. Right now there are three --
there are three candidates that have been registered for, and they're all
Republican. If -- and if that stays the same, then there will be only
one election.
But you set up the special project, and I believe that that money
is reimbursed after the election from the state, after we do that, and it
comes back into the fund, then it would fall back into -- on your UFR
list account, so it --
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Do you need a motion to that effect?
MR. MUDD: Yes, sir, would be good.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Do I hear a motion?
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Motion.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Second?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Motion by Commissioner Halas,
second by Commissioner Fiala to take this -- these funds out of the
UFR money.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Question on the motion. We
know at least it's going to be $37,000 to do the Supervisor of
Elections' --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Payroll.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: -- payroll --
COMMISSIONER HALAS: We're just addressing the money
that's going to be needed for the primary.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I see it right in front of my face,
Commissioner Halas. I really appreciate that. But we know that
there's going to be at least 35,000 that's going to be needed, or up to
35,000.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Can we address it in a second motion,
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and we can keep the -- we can just get moving forward with it. We've
got to take care of it. We all realize that, Commissioner Henning.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay, well. That's fine.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Is there anything else on the motion
itself?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Hearing nothing, all those in favor,
indicate by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: The ayes have it unanimously.
Okay. Now, the 35,000, please help us with this, Mr. Mudd.
Once again, this would be from UFR funds, or is this already allotted
someplace in the budget for --
MR. MUDD: No, sir, that would be -- that would be out ofUFR
funds. And all I -- based on what Mr. Smykowski just told me, we
have -- we have no written request, okay. I've got something -- I've
got something verbal and -- but if the board wants to put it over there
as kind of a -- into a fund to the side based on -- based on a written
request from the Supervisor of Elections office detail what it's to be
used for, we'll bring that board -- back to the board, and the board will
tell us to pull that money out. That's fine.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. Do I hear a motion?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Motion to allocate in reserves
out of the UFR funds of 37,5- for the Supervisor of Elections
budgeting.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
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COMMISSIONER HENNING: Or payroll checks.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Payroll and bookkeeping, okay.
Commissioner Henning's motion, second by Commissioner Fiala.
Any discussion on the motion? I know I got all the lights off.
Okay.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: All those in favor, indicate by saying
aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: The ayes have it unanimously. Thank
you very much. I didn't think we'd have a problem with this.
MR. BEAUCHAMP: Thank you, Chairman.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. Let's proceed. We've got
several lights on. Commissioner Henning, I didn't want to cut you
short.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I'm done.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Do you want to finish?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I'm done. I'm done.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. As long as we're having this
special election to fill Mike Davis's seat -- by the way, nobody could
really fill his shoes -- but fill his seat, I wanted to ask, if this
agreement with the courts doesn't go through for the CRA funding and
things have to go to referendum, could we put that referendum on the
same ballot?
MR. MUDD: Gary, I think you could help us on this one.
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MR. BEAUCHAMP: I think on this you would -- any
negotiation to add anything onto this ballot would have to be done
with the Secretary of State's Office because this is a one-item election
that they are funding.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, okay.
MR. BEAUCHAMP: And usually it's kind of the reverse. If the
county's paying for something countywide or even a partial election,
then the state and municipalities try to piggyback on there.
So I don't have a definitive answer on that, but I think
negotiations for -- to put that referendum item -- and I know Mr.
Mudd asked our office about that for the January 29th election --
would have to be negotiated with the state with the Secretary of State's
Office.
MR. MUDD: And it was pretty tight, in remember, correctly,
Mr. Beauchamp, when we talked about the deadline to have the
referendum language passed by the board. It was like 14 December in
order to get onto the January 29th special election.
MR. BEAUCHAMP: Yes, it's actually the 4th of December
because I think, in order to have a referendum, you have to have so
many readings of it and it's got to be so many days in between, and
you may very well not have that. Because the election is scheduled
for the 30th of October, and it may, in fact -- if there is no
non-Republican that files for that position, if would not go to the
general election, which is supposed to be held on the 20th of
November.
So you may not have the statutory time required to place a
referendum on that election even if you could. Your window may just
be too tight there.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, okay, fine. Thank you. Just
stabbing at things, trying to save some money.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: I don't think we're done. I didn't hear
a final answer.
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Could we direct staff to report back to
us at their earliest possible time what is possible and what isn't? I
mean, you didn't sound definite on it. That's the reason why I felt
maybe it wouldn't hurt.
MR. BEAUCHAMP: No, I'd -- quite honestly, I'd -- it's
definitely a maybe. I don't know what the rules are with respect to a
special election. And then the other part of it is, I don't know what
your window for notice, hearings, and readings for referendum items
are. That's not something --
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: I understand.
MR. BEAUCHAMP: -- that we normally do.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Let's go to Mr. Weigel. He might be
able to help us.
MR. WEIGEL: Thank you. And I think an additional question
to keep in mind, perhaps you already have it, is the fact that the
special election is not a countywide election. The referendum we're
talking about is countywide.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That's what I was trying to say.
MR. WEIGEL: So we have some logistical issues that are there
as well.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. I didn't realize that until we
started to talk, and realized that he's only elected out of a certain
portion of the population.
MR. BEAUCHAMP: Right. In this county there's
approximately 58,000 people, and this election will be shared with
Broward because the district overlaps into Broward.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, okay. And my second comment
was, I was just figuring out, we were talking before about $60,000 a
year, and you said it's for the clerk only to sit here, not anything else,
not --
MR. MUDD: That's the resolution that the board passed.
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: That comes out to -- well,
somewhere between three and a quarter and $375 a meeting. Is that a
little high or --
COMMISSIONER COYLE: No, that's not high, but I don't think
it's $375. It's--
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Probable 3,000. I think you lost a
zero.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Per hour, I'm sorry. It's $3,000 a
meeting. $375 per hour.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: That's sort of expensive. I mean,
we should get paid that much, but I don't see that the clerk should.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: But that's why I raised it because
it's only for this meeting. It's not for anything else.
Item #2C
PUBLIC COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: What's the -- where are we now?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Public speakers.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Public comment.
MS. FILSON: Mr. Chairman, I have two speakers. The first one
is Roland Fondessy. He'll be followed by Chuck Mohlke.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Sir, would you state your name for
the record, and you have three minutes.
MR. FONDESSY: Yes. My name's Roland Fondessy. I live on
1921 Oaks Boulevard.
My question is -- I know you're all working for us, but I've had a
house for sale for two years and -- in Olde Cypress, and my real estate
person keeps calling me and saying, take it down a hundred thousand,
take it down a hundred thousand. I've done that three times, and you
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folks say it's worth more now, or your tax people, and I just don't
know understand if -- they're saying it's not worth more, but you folks
say it is worth more.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Commissioner Coyle will explain that
to you.
MR. FONDESSY: Okay. Money man.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: He just lied to you.
MR. FONDESSY: Okay.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: But let me say to you, we don't
appraise property here. The property appraiser does that. You would
get more accurate information if you talked with Mr. Abe Skinner
because we don't do that here.
But I can tell you that his appraisals are always based on the prior
year's sales data so that if you are experiencing a situation now where
property values are going down and the appraisal doesn't reflect that,
it's generally because the appraisal is based upon sales data last year
which would be higher than it has been for this year.
Now, next year you will get the benefit of any reductions in value
for this year, but it always lags a year and that's confusing to people
but there's no other way to do it that I know of.
And Abe Skinner does a good job of appraising these things, and
he's very reasonable. If you want to talk with him, I don't know if it's
too late yet, but I would suggest you talk with him very quickly.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: No, the date has passed.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: It has passed, okay.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: I believe last week was the final time
to be able to apply for the Value Adjustment Board, but it doesn't
mean you still can't get answers --
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Yeah.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: -- as to why it is what it is.
MR. FONDESSY: Well, 1'11 come back next year and thank you
for the lower rate then.
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COMMISSIONER COYLE: If it is lower.
MS. FILSON: Your next speaker is Chuck Mohlke.
MR. MOHLKE: Good evening. If it pleases this honorable
board, I wanted to inquire regarding a matter of some importance to
folks that will be confronted with an important ballot proposition on
January 29th that proposes to amend the Florida Constitution to take
away some measure of local control of property taxes.
And the ballot language, if I recall correctly, if voters adopted it,
would quote, require the legislature to limit the authority of counties,
municipalities, and special districts to increase ad valorem taxes.
I've been asked on behalf of my colleagues on the Democratic
Executive Committee to ask these two questions, in may, for the
response of the professional staff or commissioners.
First, what is the likely consequences for general purpose county
government of the double impact of lessened property valuations in
2007 and the possible passage of the January 29th ballot proposition
for your budget next year?
And second, the need to create, if you believe it is necessary or
desirable, new income sources and fee-based enterprise funds to
support the essential service that only local governments can provide,
public safety, roads, stormwater management, would be three that I
know are of special importance to this board?
And 1'11 stand and wait for the response, and thank you.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: And you will get a great response,
because Commissioner Coyle is our expert on this particular subject.
MR. MOHLKE: I saw him nodding gleefully as I was asking my
question.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: And we'll go to Commissioner
Henning for second opinion.
MR. MOHLKE: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: The answer in so many questions
like this, of course, is, follow the money. And so if we start with
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property taxes, we have to understand that property taxes are paid by
people locally on property they own, and the money is spent by
locally elected representatives who are responsible to those voters.
In the case of the state government, they derive their money from
sales taxes and documentary stamp fees from real estate transactions.
So while we are interested in serving local residents and voters
and we're concerned about quality of life, the state government is not
concerned about current residents. They are concerned about
attracting more residents to Florida so that they get more sales taxes
and more real estate documentation fees.
So they're facing a very short -- well, a shortfall in budget, which
is very significant, and they're scrambling to find ways to make it up.
If they are, in fact, successful in eliminating property taxes, as
they say they want to do, and reducing property insurance costs, as
they say they want to do, we will have the biggest land rush in history
in a state that doesn't have an income tax, doesn't have an intangibles
tax, doesn't have property tax, and has lower insurance taxes. That will
generate lots of money for the state legislature to spend, and it will be
spent in the way that they always spend it, which is to serve their own
political purposes.
And Collier County will be hurt terribly in the process. We're
already a donor county because the people in Tallahassee believe
we're rich and part of our money should go to other counties to pay
them for what they need, and they don't really care about quality of
life issues that we are concerned about locally.
So I would say to you, if -- if the voters vote to approve the state
plan -- I prefer to call it a scheme -- in January, the local governments
will be virtually decimated, our quality of life will suffer very badly,
and in the scramble to recover from this -- the debacle that will result
from their decision, we are likely to see income taxes established,
more property taxes in the future established, and we'll find ourselves
without the protective net of our Save Our Homes initiative because
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they want to eliminate the Save Our Homes tax cap. They want to get
rid of it. And that, I think, summarizes my opinion on what is likely
to happen. It will be disastrous if they do this.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Thank you.
Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Well, Mr. Mohlke, I'm sure you
trust in, the people who vote make the best decision for what's good
for them.
Now, you're going to hear the residents all over the State of
Florida what a bad thing that it's going to do to local government. In
fact, if you look at the projections out, it will actually bring a lot more
revenue to government. And I'm sure you can appreciate, just like the
others here, if we vote for it and we use the new system, we actually
have to pay more taxes, substantially.
You've been in your home for 20 years?
MR. MOHLKE: At least.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: At least. You have a great
benefit, and so do I, as the other ones. You know, the unknown is the
unknown. We don't know what the legislator's (sic) going to do. But I
trust the people. I trust they will make the right decision.
And in fact, I will buy you the beverage of your choice if the
voters in Collier County vote for this amendment.
MR. MOHLKE: In have the choice of where to have my cup of
coffee, sir, I will be pleased to accept your invitation.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: As long as it's in Collier
County.
MR. MOHLKE: As long as it's in Collier County.
In may, Mr. Chairman, I wanted to repeat, with your permission,
the second part of my inquiry, which was, can it be foreseen fairly that
there will be an interest in finding other sources of revenue,
particularly fee-based enterprise funds, that may be targeted
specifically to provide the revenues necessary to underwrite certain
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essential services?
I know it may be premature to ask that question, but it seemed
sensible to at least open that door remembering what happened with
the 10 mill cap in Florida many years ago. There was a sudden rush in
counties that were up at or near the 10 mill cap to suddenly generate
municipal service taxing units, benefit units, a great enthusiasm for
having small incorporated municipalities with their own taxing
sources and a variety of other, to use your phrase, Commissioner
Coyle, schemes designed to generate revenue to avoid an arbitrary 10
mill cap.
And I thought it would just be important to ask that question for,
perhaps, some future response that professional staff or commissioners
might like to develop.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Commissioner Coyle, would you like
to respond?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Yeah. I think we've already started
that. The county manager and his staff have been looking at fee-based
service just for the cuts this year.
There is no free lunch, as most voters know. If you demand
things like landscaping in the medians and you demand things like
lighting on the streets and highways and you demand a quality
community, you're not going to get it without paying some money.
And you're going to pay the money whether you pay property taxes or
you pay a user fee.
The only problem is, that with these poorly thought out schemes,
we're going to create disasters that have to be recovered from, and that
will likely result in multiple taxation solutions which will increase the
taxes that people pay.
So it's unpredictable, but we've already started looking at that.
We have user fees now that -- our parks and recreation people are
going more to user fees to the extent we'll let them do that. We
haven't quite recognized the seriousness of this issue yet, but when we
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do, I think you'll probably see more of that sort of thing.
MR. MUDD: Mr. Chairman, on the subject -- Mr. Mohlke,
there's another section of the answer you just got from Commissioner
Coyle. It had to do with MSTUs.
MR. MOHLKE: Yes.
MR. MUDD: The legislation had just passed for tax reform this
first year -- and I talked to the commissioners about a 16- inch pie,
okay. And if you decided you wanted to increase an MSTU, you'd
have to decrease something else in that pie in order to come out with
the same -- with the same shape.
This new tax law basically said, if you're going to create an
MSTU, you've got to find cuts in your existing tax base, either
existing MSTUs, general fund, unincorporated general fund, in order
to fit them in. So it makes it very difficult to take that avenue to
increase as they did in the past with the 10 mill cap.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Commissioner Halas?
COMMISSIONER HALAS: The other thing that -- I think as
this unfolds, this year was the first year we really had to make some
drastic cuts. If that amendment is passed January 29th, as
Commissioner Coyle said, it's going to have some devastating effects.
And I think at that time the citizens need to have outcry to the
legislature and say, get this train wreck fixed or you're going to see
more taxes, user fees, and stuff of this nature, and I don't believe that's
what the citizens really want.
And so I think that as this scenario unfolds -- and, of course we
know that we have a special session that's just going to be -- going to
be convening here very shortly, and the state, again, is looking at
about a $2 billion cut. I am sure that there's going to be some
unfunded mandates, additional on top of what we've got, that are
going to come down here to the counties. That's going to take away
our revenue on things that need to be addressed here in the county,
and that money is going to be going up to Tallahassee.
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MR. MOHLKE: Commissioners, that's very responsive, and
thank you so much for the time you were able to devote to that
question.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: We thank you for being here this
evenmg.
MR. MUDD: Ms. Filson, that's it, is that correct?
MS. FILSON: That was the final speaker.
Item #2D
RESOLUTION 2007-258: TO AMEND THE TENTATIVE
BUDGETS - ADOPTED W ICHANGES
MR. MUDD: Commissioner, that brings us to resolution to
amend the tentative budgets.
Mr. Smykowski?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Yes, Mr. Chairman, that would amend the
tentative budgets and would incorporate the changes that I outlined in
the summary under item 2B, as well as the changes the board made
relative to the Supervisor of Elections from the UFR list as well.
There were two motions relative to that.
MR. MUDD: And the sheriff 189, 199.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Yes, that -- those were part of it.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Motion to approve the resolution to
amend with the changes approved on page 1 and the changes to the
sheriffs budget and the changes to the Supervisor of Elections' budget.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Second that one.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Is that motion sufficient?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: We just want to be clear that that also
incorporated the sheriff changes that I outlined.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Yes.
MR. MUDD: He said it did.
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MR. SMYKOWSKI: Okay, sorry.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: We have a motion by Commissioner
Coyle and a second by Commissioner Halas.
Any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Seeing none, all those in favor,
indicate by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Opposed?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. And let the record show that
the vote was 4-1, with Commissioner Henning being the dissenting
vote.
Item #2E
PUBLIC READING OF THE TAXING AUTHORITY LEVYING
MILLAGE, THE NAME OF THE TAXING AUTHORITY, THE
ROLLED-BACK, THE PERCENTAGE INCREASE, AND THE
MILLAGE RATE TO BE LEVIED - READ INTO RECORD
MR. MUDD: We're under E, which is the public reading of the
taxing authority levying millage, the name of the taxing authority, the
rolled-back rate, the percentage increase, and the millage rate to be
levied.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Commissioners, in your notebooks you
have a millage resolution under item 2E -- well, actually it's 2F is the
resolution setting the rates. That's the resolution from which I'll be
reading.
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And Jim, could you put that on the overhead.
MR. MUDD: This one?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Yes. Okay. Mr. Mudd will be, for the
benefit of the viewing public, placing the list of the various funds and
the associated millages from which 1'11 be reading.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: And this, you're required to read the
list itself.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Yes, sir, absolutely. You are required
under Florida Statute to read the taxing authority levying the millage,
the name of the authority, the rolled-back rate, the percent increase,
and the millage to be levied.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Please proceed.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Thank you. First is the general fund 001,
the rolled-back rate, 3.4582; the proposed millage rate, 3.1469. It is a
decrease below the rolled-back rate of 9 percent.
Water pollution control, fund 114, the rolled-back rate is .0308
mills; the proposed rate is .0280 mills. A decrease of 9.1 percent.
The unincorporated area, general fund 111, the rolled-back rate is
.7609 mills; the proposed millage rate is .6912. A decrease of9.2
percent.
The Golden Gate Community Center, fund 130, the rolled-back
rate is .1634; the proposed rate is .1487. That is a decrease of 9
percent.
Naples Park Drainage, fund 139, the rolled-back rate is .0075; the
proposed millage rate is .0068. That is a decrease of9.3 percent.
Victoria Park Drainage, fund 134, the rolled-back rate is .3934
mills; the proposed is .3580 mills. A decrease of9 percent.
Naples Underground FP&L, fund 135, the rolled-back rate is 0,
as there was no levy in the prior year. There is no proposed FY-'08
levy.
MR. MUDD: Mike, the Pine Ridge Industrial Park you skipped
over.
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MR. SMYKOWSKI: Pardon me. Pine Ridge Industrial Park,
fund 140, the rolled-back rate, .0482; the proposed rate is .0438. That
is a decrease of 9.1 percent.
Golden Gate Parkway Beautification, fund 136, the rolled-back
rate is .4315; proposed is .3927. That is a decrease of9 percent.
Naples Production Park, fund 141, the rolled-back rate is .0259;
the proposed is .0235. That is a decrease of9.3 percent.
Vanderbilt Beach MSTU, fund 143, the rolled-back rate, .4773;
proposed is .4343. A decrease of9 percent.
Isle of Capri Fire, fund 144, the rolled-back rate is 1.5420; the
proposed rate is 1.4957. That is a decrease of3 percent.
Ochopee Fire Control, fund 146, the rolled-back rate, 3.8132;
proposed 3.6988. A decrease of3 percent.
Collier County Fire, fund 148, the rolled-back rate is 2.0037; the
proposed rate is 1.9436. That is a decrease of 3 percent.
GoodlandlHorrs Island Fire MSTU, rolled back, .8093; proposed,
.7761. That is a decrease of 4.1 percent.
Radio Road Beautification, fund 150, the rolled-back rate is
.2286; proposed, .2080. A decrease of 9 percent.
Sabal Palm Road MSTU, fund 151, the rolled-back rate is .8188;
proposed, .7451. A decrease of9 percent.
Lely Golf Estates Beautification, fund 152, rolled back is 1.8416;
proposed, 1.6759. A decrease of9 percent.
Hawk's Ridge Stormwater pumping MSTU, fund 154, rolled
back is .1250; proposed, .1138. A decrease of9 percent.
Forest Lakes Roadway and Drainage MSTU, the rolled back is
3.6; proposed, 1.2468. A decrease of 65.4 percent.
Immokalee Beautification MSTU, fund 156, the rolled-back rate
is .9466; proposed, .8614. A decrease of9 percent.
Bayshore Avalon Beautification MSTU, the -- fund 160, rolled
back is 1.5957; proposed is 1.4521. A decrease of9 percent.
Haldeman Creek Dredging, fund 164, is a new proposed millage,
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so the rolled-back rate is O. That's a tenth of a mill.
Rock Road, fund 165, is also a new proposed levy. The
rolled-back rate is 0, and that is 1.5 mills.
Conservation Collier, fund 172, the rolled-back rate is .1745;
proposed is .1588. That is a decrease of9 percent.
Parks GOB debt service, the rolled-back rate is O. There is no
proposed levy.
Caribbean Gardens, fund 220, the rolled-back rate, .1446;
proposed, 1.5. That's an increase of3.7 percent funding debt service
on the loan that was used to acquire that property.
Forest Lakes Debt Service, fund 259, the rolled-back rate is O.
This is a new levy; proposed is 2.7532 mills.
Conservation Collier Debt Service, fund 272, the rolled-back rate
is .0664; proposed, .0654. That's a decrease of 1.5 percent.
Collier County Lighting, fund 760, rolled-back rate is .0961;
proposed is .0874. That is a decrease of9.1 percent.
Pelican Bay MSTBU, the rolled-back rate is O. There was no levy
in FY-'07 and there is no proposed levy in FY-'08.
The aggregate millage rate, which is a weighted average of all of
the proposed tax levies, rolled back is 4.2766; the proposed millage
rate, 3.8838. That is that a decrease of9.18 percent.
That concludes item 2E, Mr. Chairman.
Item #2F
RESOLUTION 2007-259: SETTING MILLAGE RATES-
ADOPTED
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Motion to approve the millage
resolution.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Second.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Commissioners, on that resolution, a strict
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reading of statute requires you to approve the dependent district,
which includes pollution control, your two Conservation Collier
levies, and your Caribbean Gardens levy by separate motion. So if --
we'd need a motion setting the millage rates for the dependent
districts, and that would then be followed by a motion for the balance
of the millages to be levied.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. So your motion, Commission
Henning, first motion covers --
COMMISSIONER HENNING: It's a motion to approve the
dependent districts' millage rate.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Second.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. And the motion by
Commissioner Henning for approval, second by Commissioner Coyle.
Any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Seeing none, all those in favor,
indicate by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: The ayes have it, 5-0.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Second motion?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Motion to approve the balance
of the millages on our agenda.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Does that cover it?
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Second.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: We have a motion by Commissioner
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Henning and second by Commissioner Coyle.
Any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Seeing none, all of those in favor,
indicate by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: The ayes have it, 5-0.
Item #2G
RESOLUTION 2007-260: ADOPTING THE FINAL BUDGET BY
FUND - ADOPTED
MR. SMYKOWSKI: Now we would need a resolution to adopt
the final budgets by fund. Again, the dependent districts with a
separate motion, please, and then the balance of the Collier County
funds for fiscal year 2008.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Motion to approve the resolution
for the dependent funds.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Second.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: We have a motion by Commissioner
Coyle, a second by Commissioner Halas.
Any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Seeing none, all those in favor,
indicate by saying aye.
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COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: The ayes have it, 5-0.
Item #2G
RESOLUTION 2007-260: ADOPTION OF THE FINAL BUDGET
BY FUND - APPROVED
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Motion to approve the resolution of
final budget for the independent funds.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Second.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Motion by Commissioner Coyle,
second by Commissioner Halas.
Any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Seeing none, all those in favor,
indicate by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Opposed?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Let the record show the vote was 4-1
with Commissioner Henning abstain -- not abstaining, in the
opposition.
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COMMISSIONER HENNING: That's it.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: That's it.
MR. SMYKOWSKI: With that, we are finished, sir.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: We're adjourned, unless you have
something else, Mr. Mudd.
MR. MUDD: No, sir. I just want to make sure that the board --
that the board is aware, Mr. Smykowski, in the budget book on the
first page, basically wrote a letter to the board on September 18th with
the recommendation that we not do the UFR list because of the special
session. We've taken care of the Representative Davis special election
already tonight, and then we've got the impacts of the January 29,
2008, special referendum. And we need to see what the turnbacks are
at the end of October.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Great.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: And with that, we're adjourned.
*****
There being no further business for the good of the County, the
meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 6:16 p.m.
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