Agenda 10/25/2022 Item # 2C (BCC Minutes for September 27, 2022)10/25/2022
COLLIER COUNTY
Board of County Commissioners
Item Number: 2.C
Doc ID: 23670
Item Summary: September 27, 2022 BCC Minutes
Meeting Date: 10/25/2022
Prepared by:
Title: Sr. Operations Analyst – County Manager's Office
Name: Geoffrey Willig
10/17/2022 8:21 AM
Submitted by:
Title: Deputy County Manager – County Manager's Office
Name: Amy Patterson
10/17/2022 8:21 AM
Approved By:
Review:
County Manager's Office Geoffrey Willig County Manager Review Completed 10/17/2022 8:21 AM
Board of County Commissioners Geoffrey Willig Meeting Pending 10/25/2022 9:00 AM
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TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Naples, Florida September 27, 2022
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County
Commissioners, in and for the County of Collier, and also acting as
the Board of Zoning Appeals and as the governing board(s) of such
special districts as have been created according to law and having
conducted business herein, met on this date at 9:00 a.m., in
REGULAR SESSION in Building "F" of the Government Complex,
East Naples, Florida, with the following members present:
Chairman: William L. McDaniel, Jr.
Rick LoCastro
Burt L. Saunders
Andy Solis
Penny Taylor
PRESENT:
Amy Patterson, County Manager
Daniel Rodriguez, Deputy County Manager
Jeffrey A. Klatzkow, County Attorney
Crystal K. Kinzel, Clerk of the Circuit Court & Comptroller
Troy Miller, Communications & Customer Relations
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MS. PATTERSON: Chair, you have a live mic.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Good morning, everybody.
Let's just go right ahead and go into our invocation and prayer.
Mr. Jarvis -- Pastor Jarvis, would you please.
PASTOR JARVIS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: If everybody would rise.
Item #1A
INVOCATION GIVEN BY SENIOR PASTOR HEATH JARVIS
OF FAITH LIFE WORSHIP CENTER
PASTOR JARVIS: Good morning, everyone. Let's pray.
Father in heaven, we come before you today thankful that we
live in one of the most beautiful places on earth. We're thankful to
see your hand of protection and provision on us here in Southwest
Florida. Father, as a storm heads towards our area, we are reminded
that you are the God who will not only see us through the storms of
life, but you are also the God who tells us to speak to the wind and
the waves and say peace be still. Lord, I pray for wisdom, safety,
and protection for all of Florida from Hurricane Ian.
Today, God, we have the opportunity to discuss some important
topics that affect everyone who lives in this community, so we ask
for your guidance as we discuss these issues, help us to discuss these
things with civility, patience, and respect and, most of all, Lord, help
us to make decisions that will best benefit Collier County, her
citizens, and her future.
Lord, I also pray for the leadership here in Collier County.
They have important conversations ahead of them today and the
responsibility to make wise decisions on behalf of our community. I
pray for your peace over them, and I pray blessings over their
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families.
Your word tells us in the Book of James that if we ask for your
wisdom, you will give it to us in generous abundance. So we ask for
it this morning, and we receive it thankfully by faith. And, Lord, I
pray this according to your word, and I pray it in the name and
authority of Jesus Christ.
Amen.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Amen. Nice prayer.
Commissioner Saunders, will you lead us this morning.
(The Pledge of Allegiance was recited in unison.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And as we're taking our seats, I
know Pastor Heath for a long time, and that was Pastor Heath Jarvis
of the Faith Life Worship Center.
Thank you. Appreciate that very much.
MS. PATTERSON: Chair, I believe you wanted to observe a
moment of silence for two of our colleagues.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes, please.
Commissioner Saunders, do you want to say a few words before
we do?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah. Just one quick
comment. Dave Lykins, who worked as my assistant for six years,
passed away suddenly about a week ago. Dave was a very
committed public servant. He had has worked for the City of Naples
for a number of years, retired and -- pardon me -- and came to work
for me when I first got elected in 2016. He truly was a wonderful
man. Everyone he interacted with only had really wonderful things
to say about him, and he is truly missed. And I hope that he and his
family -- his family are doing well. They're up in Kentucky.
And, Mr. Chairman, I appreciate the moment of silence.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Absolutely. And the other?
MS. PATTERSON: Chief Choate lost his son, from
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Immokalee Fire.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Our friend Chief Choate of the
Immokalee Fire Department's son was killed in a car accident over
the weekend. Yeah. Jiminy Christmas. So, 'tis the season for a
prayer, ladies and gentlemen. If you would please rise.
(A moment of silence was observed.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Amen. And there's a lot of
reasons for us to be praying these days, especially with anybody
that's watching The Weather Channel. So keep our friends in the
northern end of Tampa and such in our prayers as well. They're
staring at this thing right now.
So, County Attorney, if you want to -- do we have any business
that we're actually going to conduct today?
MS. PATTERSON: We do have a few items, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes, ma'am.
MS. PATTERSON: I think first order of business is for me to
take you through the change sheet.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes, ma'am.
Item #2A
APPROVAL OF TODAY’S REGULAR, CONSENT AND
SUMMARY AGENDA AS AMENDED (EX PARTE
DISCLOSURE PROVIDED BY COMMISSION MEMBERS FOR
CONSENT AGENDA.) – MOTION TO APPROVE BY
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR; SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
LOCASTRO – APPROVED AND/OR ADOPTED W/CHANGES
MS. PATTERSON: There are quite a few items being moved
so we can move this agenda along.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yeah.
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MS. PATTERSON: First is add-on Item 5A. This is an update
on the status of Hurricane Ian and its potential impact on Collier
County. This is being added at Board direction and staff's request.
We have add-on Item 10C which is a recommendation to
appoint Randy Sparrazza as a member to the Collier County Planning
Commission representing Commission District 1. So it's added at
Commissioner LoCastro's request.
Continue Item 9B to the October 11th, 2022, BCC meeting.
This is a recommendation to consider an ordinance to establish a
notice to tenant ordinance relating to landlords providing written
notice of rent increases over 5 percent to tenants with leases of one
year or longer. This is being moved at Commissioner LoCastro's
request.
Continue Item 10A to the October 11th, 2022, BCC meeting.
This was continued from the September 13th, 2022, meeting. It's a
request for the Board to appeal the Hearing Examiner's decision in
Hearing Examiner Decision No. 2022-38, which finds that the
proposed use of self-storage/mini warehousing indoor is comparable
in nature to other permitted uses in Section 4.3.A of the Wentworth
Estates Mixed-Use Planned Unit Development.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Breath.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: On that particular item, a
question for the County Attorney. I have no issues with it being
continued, but I want to make sure we're not missing a time frame.
And I understand legal counsel for the property owner has agreed to
an extension of the required time period. I just want to make sure
we're not missing --
MR. KLATZKOW: Yeah. I'd like the agreement by the
property owner's counsel to be on the record just -- I know he's
present. If he can just be asked.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: He sent us an email last
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night. But, Noel, if you'll --
MR. DAVIES: Good morning. Noel Davies on behalf of the
property owner for this item, Item 10A and, for the record, my client
is agreeable to extend today's discussion on this item to your
October 11th meeting in light of the hurricane.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: But also to extend the time
period for filing -- for us to have the appeal.
MR. DAVIES: Right. So there's a 30-day filing for the county
to file an appeal. That 30 days will have run just before your
October 11th meeting. So we're not objecting to this being heard
and potentially appealed subject to your normal process and to a
majority vote at that time.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So you are agreeing that that
time period is extended so we can hear this?
MR. DAVIES: Correct, correct.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I just want to make sure on
the record that that was clear.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: And if I can just say, I pulled
quite a few things off of the agenda today to include this one. He
sent us a very -- he sent me and a few others a detailed email last
night echoing all that. So we'll put that in the record. And the
things I've pulled off, I just think with the hurricane, you know,
coming near us, anything that's up for, you know, debate, whether it's
a 60-day rental ordinance or other things, there's citizens that told us
they wanted to be here and couldn't and things like that. So it's
nothing personal or --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you, Noel.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: It's just priorities.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We're all good.
(Simultaneous crosstalk.)
MR. DAVIES: It's important to me and my client that you
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discuss more important business.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Thanks, Mr. Davies.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you.
Let's finish up our agenda, and then we'll go forward with our
commentary.
MS. PATTERSON: Absolutely.
Continue Item 10B to the October 11th, 2022, BCC meeting.
This is a recommendation to have the Board discuss the proposed
U.S. 41 East Zoning Overlay impacts upon self-storage facilities
along U.S. 41 between the Palm Street/Commercial Drive U.S. 41
intersection and the Price Street/U.S. 41 intersection designed to
implement the East Naples Community Development Plan as
accepted by the Board in 2022 [sic]. This is being moved at
Commissioner LoCastro's request.
Continue Item 16A15 to the October 11th, 2022, BCC meeting.
This item was further continued from the September 13th, 2022, BCC
meeting. It's a recommendation to review options to increase public
awareness for new Site Development Plan and Site Development
Plan amendment applications. This is being moved at
Commissioner McDaniel's request.
Continue Item 16H2 to the October 25th, 2022, BCC meeting.
This is a request that the Board adopt a proposed resolution by
Mr. David Silverberg that condemns anti-Semitism in all forms and
expressions, condemns all forms of discrimination, prejudice, and
hate against any person or group of people regardless of faith, gender,
creed, sexual orientation, or national origin. This is being moved at
Commissioner McDaniel's request out of respect for requests related
to the Rosh Hashanah holiday.
Last item is continue Item 16C2 to the October 11th, 2022, BCC
meeting. This is a recommendation to approve several agreements
that allow Gulf Coast Junior Golf Tour, Inc., doing business as the
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First Tee of Naples/Collier, a Collier -- or a Florida not-for-profit
corporation, to sublease, construct, and operate the First Tee
Naples/Collier Learning Center on a portion of the Golden Gate Golf
Course property with a term of 99 years and a right of first refusal in
furtherance of the intent of the Board-approved Collier County
standard form long-term lease and operating agreement. This is
being moved at the Clerk of Court's request.
I have one time-certain. That is Item 5A, our add-on item
relative to the hurricane. It will be heard immediately following the
approval of the amended regular, consent, and summary judgment, so
that will be your next item to be heard.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Commissioner Taylor,
you're lit up. Do you have a comment?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes, just -- and I'm not sure
how critical this is, and it's certainly not a criticism, County Manager.
When you read continue Item 10B in the one, two, three, fourth line
you referenced October 2022. It should have read 2020. And I
didn't even how important that was.
MS. PATTERSON: Oh, I'm sorry. You're correct.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: You don't need to be sorry.
MS. PATTERSON: Absolutely. For the record, that item,
continued Item 10B, which is being continued to October 11th, 2022,
references the plan that was accepted by the Board in October of
2020.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay, thank you.
MS. PATTERSON: Thank you, Commissioner.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And then the 16H2, I would
like to see if I have agreement. I would like a voice vote on that one
item when it comes before us, so maybe this needs to be moved to the
regular agenda.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yeah. And I'm going to -- and
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since we're in the process of discussion, I'm not -- I don't have an
intent of having a public hearing on this item. I may be switching
this to a proclamation. I, candidly, don't even think it needs to be
said. I was asked by Mr. Silverberg to present this. I put it on the
consent agenda as such, and then you reminded me of the holiday, so
I continued the item, and now we're having discussions. We
may -- I'm really not interested in having a big public hearing on
things that should be done in a normal course of business and with
respect. And so I may just switch this over to an actual
proclamation.
MS. PATTERSON: I would place it on the regular agenda but,
rather, it wouldn't involve extended public comment at that point.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct, correct. Then that,
potentially, Commissioner Taylor, is what I have intentions of doing
with that item.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I still would like a voice vote on
it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, we're not going to vote on a
proclamation.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I understand.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So there you go.
Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I don't want to belabor this,
but I'm not sure what we would be having a voice vote on. The
request on the agenda is to continue that until October 25th --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- and we're going to vote on
the consent agenda which will -- and the agenda, which will have that
change in it. So in terms of having an individual vote on that, I don't
see any point in that.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I think -- I think given the tenor
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today, I think it's very important that each commissioner -- I felt
this -- each commissioner agrees or doesn't agree to this particular
resolution.
MS. PATTERSON: If I can clarify, I think commissioner's
asking for a voice vote when it comes back on to the agenda, not
today.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay. Sure.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Oh, thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We'll have a discussion about that
when this comes on.
MS. PATTERSON: Understood.
(Simultaneous crosstalk.)
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Now you corrected me.
MS. PATTERSON: Now we're even.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I've said many times that I'm
easily confused, and this time I was very confused.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: In whatever form or format it, in
fact, comes back.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I want to go on the record
that I followed that conversation perfectly. I don't know why it was
confusing.
MS. PATTERSON: That's why you're going to be the Chair in
January, sir.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: That wasn't commentary
either, Commissioner McDaniel. That was just stating fact.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That was good. Thank you.
I believe we have some public comment before we take a vote
on the consent and --
MR. MILLER: Yes, I do, Mr. Chairman.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: -- summary.
MR. MILLER: I have one here in the room and one online.
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First on Item 16D7, Nicholas -- I hope I'm reading this
right -- Pringle.
MR. PARZIALE: Parziale.
MR. MILLER: Parziale. Wow.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Wow.
MR. MILLER: It wasn't pronunciation. I couldn't read the
writing. Sorry.
MR. PARZIALE: Good morning, Board of Commissioners. I
know we have a lot going on right now with this upcoming hurricane.
I did want to address 16D7 regarding Tigertail Beach and Barefoot
Beach Concessions. I'm the president of SSG Recreation, Inc.
Currently we're paying a 20 percent commission to the county.
The 20 percent commission is too high. It's not allowed us to be in a
profit margin. We're requesting a reduction to 13 percent if the
County Commissioners will approve or a termination due to the
non-profitability for the margins at Tigertail and Barefoot Beach.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you.
Commissioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Well, I took an extensive
meeting on this from the Parks and Rec leadership, and I thought we
had agreed to a mutual termination. So I don't know if this is subject
to discussion. It's at the Chair's request. But I hear everything that
you're saying, but some of what you're requesting as far as the
reduction and percentages and whatnot isn't what I heard just -- I
think it was yesterday -- it was yesterday -- from our Parks and Rec
leadership. So that might be something if we need to, you know,
confirm rumor from fact. It sounded like we were having a mutual
termination because you haven't been profitable out there. And, you
know, Tigertail's always a challenge. But I thought -- it sounded like
we were on the same sheet of music, because I've had this on my
short list as well. So this is news to me, a reduced percentage.
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MR. PARZIALE: Yes, sir. There was no mutual agreement.
I haven't even been in discussion with the Parks and Recreational
Department. I've sent multiple emails, calls, with no return. I do
have a letter that I requested to the -- yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Sir, I have -- you have to forgive
me. We're not in a debate here. We are in the process of accepting
and ratifying our hearing today. If you -- if Commissioner LoCastro
wishes to pull your item up and have a discussion about it, we will.
We're not debating it right now.
MR. PARZIALE: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Just for edification. And I'm not
being rude. It's just we're not here to debate with regard to the
request. There's an item on our agenda that's presented as our
agenda. If Commissioner LoCastro or one of my colleagues wishes
to pull it, we will.
MR. PARZIALE: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So say your peace, and then we're
going to go on about our business.
MR. PARZIALE: Okay. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Commissioner Taylor, did
you have a comment on that?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes. I was just questioning
whether this shouldn't be pulled for discussion today, as the
gentleman is here. I would support that if there's a motion to that
effect.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Thank you.
Commissioner Saunders?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I agree. 16D7 should be
placed on the regular agenda. If there's a --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Go ahead and make that motion --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll make that motion.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: -- please.
And then Commissioner Taylor will second it.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I will second it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. We've got that moved and
seconded for right now as an adjustment. Is there any other
discussion on that item alone?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed, same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: We're going to hear this
today.
MR. PARZIALE: Thank you for hearing me. I appreciate it.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So stick around.
MS. PATTERSON: That becomes Item 11E.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Got it. Okay. We have
somebody else on?
MR. MILLER: And, Mr. Chairman, we had one more. Online
we have Steven Kirk who wishes to speak on Item 16D3.
Mr. Kirk, you should be prompted to unmute yourself at this
time. And I'm waiting. There he is. Mr. Kirk, you have three
minutes.
All right. I'm not hearing him. We've got a technical issue.
Someone's pulled a cable on me here.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Hang on a second, Mr. Kirk. If
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you can hear me, one second. We can hear you way off in
someone's -- someone's apparatus, but it's not coming through the
speakers right now. So be still one second. We won't start your
clock until we get you online.
MR. MILLER: Give me just a minute here, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Maybe it was your problem.
MR. MILLER: It might have been.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All right. Mr. Kirk, proceed,
please.
MR. KIRK: Good morning. Steven Kirk, president of Rural
Neighborhoods. This issue was tabled a number of weeks ago, and I
simply want to say in regards to this that Rural Neighborhoods has
taken all steps with its funders, Florida Housing Finance Corporation,
to alter the direction of its project from being an unaccompanied
housing project to being a family one, and Florida Housing Finance
Corporation staff are prepared to recommend the change from
"unaccompanied" to "family," and we are taking all changes with
our -- all steps with our general contractor to alter floor plans to make
that happen. So I just wanted to reassure the Commission. Thank
you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Appreciate that, Steven.
And I appreciate you taking a moment. Just for my colleagues,
I did meet with Steven and Dottie last week -- last week on
Wednesday, talked about that. They agreed, then, with me that they
were going to switch that use from the male dormitory to a family
facility, which is far more conducive for its location, so -- and I
appreciate you coming on record and sharing that today, sir, so that's
all we have.
MS. PATTERSON: That's all we have.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Well, let's go
through -- we'll start with Commissioner Taylor. Do you have any
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ex parte and/or additional adjustments to the agenda for today?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I lost my ex parte; it's here
somewhere.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Do you want me to go down to
Commissioner Solis because he's ready?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes, he's ready.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I can tell just by looking at him.
Oh, hey, good morning.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Good morning. No other changes.
My only disclosure is on 17C, and I had a call on that with
Mr. Pezeshkan.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you.
Commissioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: No changes, no disclosures.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Gotcha.
Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I have no disclosure. I do
have one item that I think I want to continue, and that's Item 9A, and
that deals with the Immokalee Rural Village Overlay. And we've
received some communication. I think there's some concern about
the wildlife corridors. I know we have several speakers here. I
guess what we can do, Mr. Chairman, is hear that, but I think I just
want to alert the Board that I may be making a motion to continue
that because I think that there may be some misinformation or --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, I think we can clarify that,
Commissioner. Just so you know, I have had communication
with -- with both sides of that equation, and I've been assured that
that -- because I'm sticking on that wildlife corridor as well. And
I've talked to the applicant, and there are some things that -- I think
we can hear it and actually come to a conclusion, so...
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: That would be perfect.
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Okay. I have no other changes -- no changes.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Commissioner Taylor are
you ready?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah, I am. So 16A8, I had
calls, and 17C I've had meetings, emails, and calls, phone calls.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Good. And I, myself,
have no other adjustments to the agenda and, as well, on -- no
disclosure -- well, 17C I have had phone calls, emails, and no other
communication or correspondence.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And, Mr. Chair, I misspoke.
I do have some communications in reference to 17C. So I did have
some meetings.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Very good. Very good.
So with that, I'll call for a motion for the agenda as amended and
approved.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So move.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Second.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded that
we accept the agenda as amended and approved. Any other
discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All those in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed, same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
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Item #5A – Added (Per Agenda Change Sheet)
UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF HURRICANE IAN AND ITS
POTENTIAL IMPACT ON COLLIER COUNTY – MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR TO APPROVAL OF WAIVING ALL
COLLIER TRANSPORT FARES, EMS TRANSPORTATION
FEES AND FOR THE BCC CHAIRMAN TO INSTITUTE A
CURFEW IF NECESSARY; SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
LOCASTRO – 5/0; COUNTY STAFF TO HALT NORMAL
WORKING DUTIES TO PREPARE THEIR HOMES;
RESOLUTION 2022-157: PROVIDING FOR THE OPENING OF A
NEW APPROPRIATION FUND FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES
DURING HURRICANE IAN AND PROVIDING FOR
TRANSPORTATION FEE WAIVERS
RESOLUTION 2022-159 & RESOLUTION 159A – RESOLUTION
2022-159K (WITH POSSIBLY ADDITIONAL RESOLUTIONS
PER THE SHERRIFF’S OFFICE):
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER TAYLOR TO APPROVE THE
CURFEW RESOLUTION IMPLEMENTED BY THE BCC
CHAIRMAN VIA THE SHERIFF IF NEEDED; SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER LOCASTRO – 5/0
MS. PATTERSON: Commissioners, that brings us to our
add-on Item 5A. This is an update on the status of Hurricane Ian and
its potential impact on Collier County.
Mr. Dan Summers, your director of Emergency Management,
will present.
MR. SUMMES: Commissioners, good morning. For the
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record, Dan Summers, director of your Bureau or Emergency
Services and Emergency Management.
I know you have a busy day, so we'll try to be brief and be gone,
but a lot of information to share with you.
Obviously, we're watching Hurricane Ian with its developing
Category 3/Category 4 possibilities. I have mentioned to you
yesterday, and I'll echo this again to you today, that what we're
dealing with here is a real challenge with a parallel track. And we
can speculate an awful lot on the track and the forecast. And it's
important that we take a baseline assumption -- a baseline set of
assumptions for emergency planning but, more importantly, let you
know that we've been able to scale that, if we need to escalate or
deescalate, throughout the next couple of days.
Let me run straight to the modeling.
Troy, I'm hung up here. There we go.
So to cut short any of the particular movement here, the track
this morning from the National Hurricane Center, you look at the
storm track and its intensity as well as the center of the storm here,
and we're looking at a hundred -- potentially on Wednesday morning
at 2:00 a.m. 130 miles per hour Cat 4 moving at 10 miles per hour.
What you see in the blue is our tropical storm force winds, and
what you see in the black is the ultimate timing for those winds
joining the Collier County coast.
You do see the cone which, as you see, takes the center of the
storm and the most intense part of the storm to Fort Myers and
Sarasota based on today's current track and current forecast.
As I have mentioned before, our goal is to make sure that we
have a protective strategy in place -- that we have a protective
strategy in place for these onshore winds, and the potential 3 to 5, 4
to 7 storm surge inundation could occur.
Our focus is continuing to be on storm surge and localized
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flooding, not so much wind. So a high degree of confidence that
we're not going to hit hurricane storm -- hurricane force winds but
more concerned about the lower wind speeds and that constant
onshore flow.
We're -- all of this information is consistent throughout our local
media as well as the information we're getting from the National
Hurricane Center every couple of hours directly into the Emergency
Operations Center.
I'll take you back to the forecast -- take you back to our
presentation just a little bit. Our focus. It's important that you
understand what I think or what we believe is our best mission focus
for the Emergency Operations Center. And for our entire team, our
county employees, our public safety responders, our partner agencies,
it's important that we let them know what mission goals and
objectives are and, no doubt, they'll do a great job to respond to that.
React to coastal flooding; monitor the health, safety, and welfare
of our most vulnerable populations along our immediate coastline
with a focus on those that are flood vulnerable and electrically
dependent.
Again, the likelihood of some intermittent power outages, the
potential for some localized flooding. It is the frail and elderly,
electrically dependent population, and our staff worked
with -- worked to make telephone notifications to those individuals
registered with us yesterday, worked into the late hours last night to
telephonically communicate with a lot of those individuals to help
make sure that they had a plan or if they needed our assistance.
Monitor and react to potential isolated inland flooding; ensure
the public knows that conditions overnight may escalate, especially
during high tide; remind the public to evaluate their risk and
understand that in most cases sheltering in place is appropriate.
Again, you hear us all hurricane season, know your risk, know your
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flood elevation, and, again, folks are 99 times out of 100 more
comfortable sheltering in place than they are going to an evacuation
shelter; keep our team and our community well informed; and we're
going to build contingencies and scale public and emergency worker
shelters if needed. So, again, scaling is important.
I want to highlight the A zone. We've heard this discussion
already on the local media from Fort Myers and Lee County. This is
our A zone. These are our areas that we continue to worry about
with a potential storm surge inundation, and we've couched that very
simply is, are those folks that are west and south of U.S. 41. And,
again, we're working closely with Everglades City, Marco Island, the
City of Naples, these -- this information, the A zone, is well posted
and, again, we will see what the storm ultimately develops with the
onshore flow and the potential for storm surge inundation.
My protective action recommendations to you are as follows:
That Emergency Management Department of Health, and our partner
agencies certainly with the school district, our public safety
responders, we will open a special needs shelter at Palmetto Ridge
High School for those vulnerable clients located in Zone A, and we
have reached out to those. We will be prepared to open that shelter
at 5:00 p.m. today. And, again, this is a voluntary evacuation, a
voluntary recommendation, and to let our frail and elderly in the A
zone be aware that we have a special needs shelter ready to
accommodate oxygen or electrical dependency.
That will open at 5:00. We'll have more news releases
forthcoming on that throughout the day. We do have teams over
there now. There is an extensive setup involved in doing this, a lot
of supplies and equipment to be offloaded and set up to accommodate
that population as well.
Additionally, again, as a voluntary, as an option that is available
to our residents, we're opening four middle schools that will open at
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5:00 today. They are Oak Ridge Middle School, Corkscrew Middle
School, Golden Gate Middle School, and Immokalee Middle School.
We will make those available at 5:00 today. Residents must come
prepared with their bedding, their food, their comfort items, quiet
toys for the -- quiet toys, et cetera, for the kids.
All middle schools are pet friendly, but you must -- you are
responsible for self-care. You're responsible for crating that animal,
following our rules, bringing your water, your food, your vaccination
records, et cetera, must be brought with you.
Our Emergency Operations Center will open at 3:00 p.m. today
and go around the clock until further notice. Mike Shaw, our
operations coordinator, will designate the agencies that are needed.
At this point with the voluntary evacuation, we will staff our
mission-critical organizations in there, and Mike will contact those
agencies for posting in the Emergency Operations Center.
John Mullins will manage our information lines, our 311, and
our joint information center, and he will scale that and staff that
according to need in conjunction with a battle rhythm for the
Emergency Operations Center.
I have a couple things for Board recommendation for possible
actions. When we do offer evacuation shelter opening, we want to
make sure that we provide transportation capability. Our Collier
Area Transit does -- can and will have buses set up for transportation
to the shelters, and we typically waive those fares for the evacuation.
In the unlikely event that Collier County EMS has to do a
medical evacuation associated with this A zone, we typically waive
those EMS transport fees as well. We will be contacting and
contracting with our convalescent ambulance services as first
available. But if Collier EMS is summonsed for evacuation
transport, we typically waive those fees.
We also left a placeholder in our previous discussion that if the
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Sheriff and the County Manager would like to institute a curfew, they
can do that, or they will be in contact with you. I have no
recommendations for a curfew today unless the Sheriff has anything
additional to add.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Let me go ahead and call for that
motion now and get that out of the way.
MR. SUMMERS: That would be great.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So move.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Second.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Second.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded that
we authorize the waiver of the fares and emergency transport, as
necessary, and that the Sheriff and County Manager call for a curfew
if so required. So any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed, same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
MR. SUMMERS: Just a couple more, Mr. Chairman.
Again, our important reminders to the community: Stay in
touch. Monitor with what -- the current conditions. We have a real,
real significant storm paralleling our coast. The forecast model right
now appears to be very reliable, or the Hurricane Center has a fair
amount of confidence in that forecast track as it parallels offshore to
us. We also know that things can change when we see a storm of
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this intensity.
Understand your flood risk. We talk about that, again, all year.
You can look online for your flood elevation. You can evaluate your
risk. And if you've had historical high-tide flooding, this is
something, again, you need to remind yourself about.
Be prepared for some intermittent power outages. Stay well
away from any downed power lines. Call your utility company, call
FP&L, call Lee Co-op if you have an outage, because it records them
in their system, and they can -- they might be -- they have repaired
the line on the street but may not have addressed the line to your
home. So always make that notification.
General information. Our 311 call center is up to help guide
residents and guests with additional information. Again, remind
everyone not to call 911 except in an extreme emergency condition.
And remember, it was said earlier, I think, this is a marathon, not a
sprint. Stay hydrated, stay safe, look after your neighbor. And
we've done this before. We'll work together as a community to
respond and recover.
So, again, we're watching this very carefully. We have given
our community options for evacuation if they think it's necessary.
And, again, we've got a couple more advisories to get out, so we'll
see, ultimately, what the track is and what its impacts may be to
Collier County.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: County Manager, do you want to
talk a little bit about our conversation this morning in my office with
regard to county operations and such?
MS. PATTERSON: Yes, sir. So we are recommending that
we scale back regular county operations this afternoon starting in the
early afternoon allowing the staff -- we have many staff that live
outside of the area -- allowing them the time to get home and
complete their preparations this afternoon.
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Calling for, again, a reduction in regular county operations
tomorrow. This is consistent with our partners around the Clerk of
Courts, or the court system, and Lee County; both are taking a similar
posture.
We have the ability, then, to evaluate how we return to normal
business on Thursday using the Alert Collier system and other means
to call the folks back in. But that seems the best course of action in
light of the fact that we expect deteriorating weather conditions
throughout the day and into at least a part of tomorrow.
Now, this does mean that folks that have disaster assignments,
they know where they need to be, and we will be working through
how we start those evaluations as the weather clears, potentially,
tomorrow, and we'll get out and do our assessments and things. So
I'll be working with the department heads and Mr. Summers on that
plan going forward. But we wanted to advise the Board that that's
our recommendation at this time. And if Dan has anything to add...
MR. SUMMERS: I just wanted to, again, thank the entire
team, the partner agencies. We've asked county employees and
other municipal employees to go the extra mile and then some, and
we really do appreciate their help and their flexibility.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And I want to thank you. You
know, there's a -- there's an interesting process going on when the
news media's saying a whole bunch of different things, and people's
opinions start to fly into how we should and what we should be
doing.
And it's been with your steadfast judgment that we've been
moving forward here without a lot of hyperbole, and there's an
enormous amount of it that's going on out there. The storm's
coming. There's a big storm that's going past us at this particular
stage. We all need to be aware. We all need to be cognizant of it.
We all need to take care of our neighbors as we go. And I really
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appreciate both of you staying in constant communication with me
and helping us guide us through this.
I mean, the Sheriff came on Sunday at our emergency meeting.
We've been preparing for this storm since last week.
Generators -- people are assigned to different circumstances. And as
such, our facilities are very well, in fact, prepared, and I want to say
thank you to you both.
MS. PATTERSON: Thank you.
MR. SUMMERS: Thank you. Thanks.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Mr. Summers, just a quick
question, because you're monitoring this 24/7.
A big part of this storm is surge, as it's projected now.
Obviously, things can shift. A major vulnerability in Collier County,
but especially in my district with Marco, Isles of Capri, Goodland,
low-lying areas of Henderson Creek and that whole stretch is surge.
We spoke briefly, but I really want you to put this on the record.
I hear a lot of folks tell me in my district, well, storm surge was
supposed to be 15 feet for Irma, but it was a fraction of that. And
then I try to educate them that it was really a last-minute shift in the
storm, not to say it would have been 15 feet, but there were other
things that happened that lessened the storm surge.
If this storm keeps on its current path, 15 feet isn't estimated for
storm surge, but I'd like to hear your comment that when three to five
feet, especially in District 1, is projected, that could -- that is not a
gross overestimation, correct? If you could give us the science
behind it so people understand that this is totally different than Irma.
It's good that we don't have as much of the wind if it stays this
course, but we'd love for you to just give us the short version of the
differences and why storm surge is a real concern even with the
numbers that are projected, because five feet's a lot in certain areas of
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District 1.
MR. SUMMERS: Well, you're exactly correct, sir.
First of all, let's talk about this: The storm surge is full of
variables. There are as many variables on the storm as there are
angles of approach for that storm hitting Collier County. We know
our gulf is shallow, and if you envision how you blow across a soup
bowl, you're blowing water into our community, you're blowing it
into the shoreline, into the estuaries.
So what we have to do is take -- the forecast data and the experts
at the National Hurricane Center give us their very best estimate, and
we do use algorithms within the computer, we use atlas-type
information, we're using real-time weather information to come up
with these estimates.
Mother Nature does not always follow the guidance we have in
the software. We're taking the high average -- and that's a fair
statement. We take the higher -- high average of these potentials
because we want to make sure that we're erring on the side of safety.
And so, yes, if I -- if we're a foot or two off, hey, we were
prepared and we were fortunate. What we don't want to do is
underestimate and have our public at a last-minute risk.
So, again, continuing to monitor. We're using all the science
that we have available. This is not something that is dreamed up in
storm surge inundation values. There's bathymetry. Our coastline
has been mapped. The computers have the data to talk about our
impact along the shoreline, and we're conveying to you the best
information that we can acquire.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I think you're -- it's a true
statement that even if this storm parallels our coast and is hundreds of
miles off the coast, because we're on the so-called dirty end of the
storm, we're not out of the clear because we don't have 130
mile-an-hour winds, but that the surge, with the direction of this
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storm, is quite a bit different than previous storms where maybe the
surge was estimated, and then we didn't have it, I mean, correct?
MR. SUMMERS: That is correct. We're on the right
quadrant, paralleling the right quadrant. But either way, it's going to
blow water in. And as you have seen storm surge models go up
today for Jacksonville, meaning that they're on the far right side, and
that water -- that coastal flow is relevant. And even as we have seen
exiting storms, we've about coastal onshore flow. So we have to
watch it, pay attention to it, watch what it does after midnight tonight,
and on to tomorrow.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Thank you, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We actually did a little in-house as
well. And if the storm stays on its current track with its current
distance, it should be passing us at ebb tide, which is the top of the
high tide, which means now the water's going out. When the wind
changes direction, it comes in from the southwest.
So we've got some movement of pushing the water back up in,
but we are -- naturally, tide's going out, and then balancing that with
whatever rainfall, in fact, comes for a place for that surficial water to
run off and get into our systems and be able to move as well to keep
the localized flooding at a low roar. So, bottom line, that modeling
was done on a yellow tablet, by the way.
And Commissioner Taylor adeptly pointed out on Sunday that
there is something that happens twice in 24 hours, and that is the tide.
And so, we looked at that in relationship to the current path. And,
again, stay tuned, Collier Alert's a good way to go. 311 is a really
good way to go. If you see localized flooding, take a picture of it,
email it to us at 311. That will allow our group to be able to get out,
clear debris, clean storm drains, so ons and so forth, to mitigate the
circumstances.
MR. SUMMERS: Yes, sir, perfect.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you.
MR. SUMMERS: Thank you, all.
MS. PATTERSON: Commissioners, we do have a couple of
folks in the audience here that may just want to comment before we
wrap up.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I want to call on the Sheriff.
MS. PATTERSON: Sheriff, and also Lisa Koehler from the
Big Cypress Basin is also in the room if you have any questions or if
she would like to make any comments and, last, the County Attorney
will be preparing some documents relative to the curfew that we'll be
bringing back to you just to get everything in place that we'll need
right after the court reporter break.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Outstanding. Thank you.
Good morning, sir.
SHERIFF RAMBOSK: Good morning. Kevin Rambosk,
Collier County Sheriff.
I concur with the brief that you've gotten thus far. We are
incrementally staffing up. I think, from a very basic perspective, if
you get done what you need to get done during the day today, settle
in at home, and stay there watching what the weather is doing,
because by 2:00, 3:00 in the morning, that's when we should be
starting to see our highest, as the director said.
And, you know, a lot of places are closed tomorrow. So just a
couple of recommendations: Simply, stay out of standing water with
you or your car -- that's pretty simple -- and, really, if you don't need
to have to be out --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Don't go.
SHERIFF RAMBOSK: -- don't go out. It's that simple.
I will tell you that fire rescue, EMS, working together with EM,
are fully functional, and they will incrementally increase overnight,
so there will be plenty of people out there in case anybody needs
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assistance.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Outstanding. Thank you, sir.
Anybody have any questions for our good sheriff?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you, sir. Appreciate it.
Lisa, Ms. Lisa, I didn't see you in the back.
MS. KOEHLER: Good morning. I was sitting back with your
team. Always coordinating.
Commissioners, I just wanted to let you know that we are ready
for the rainfall that we are expecting today. Big Cypress Basin has
been getting ready for this storm better part of a week. As you had
said, Mr. Chair, this is not something that happens overnight. We
have been opening the canals. They are fully open.
Amy, do you have the graphic I sent?
We have information that's on our website, so anybody can go
on and look at our canal levels. It's a great little tool to see just how
far we have reduced those canal levels. We are in constant contact
with your stormwater team.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Trinity's behind you. I was just
warning you that she was sneaking up; just so you know. I was
watching.
MS. KOEHLER: Thank you.
So while she's still getting that -- oh, it is up. Does it zoom in?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That's a pretty picture. But what's
that mean?
MS. KOEHLER: Okay. So the blue bars show you the canal
sections that are below our normal operating criteria. The green bars
are -- we're just, say, at the bottom range of that criteria. What you
see in those -- the light blue bands -- let me see if I can -- let me go
back.
So this light blue area that you see in there, that's where we
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normally are operating during our regular wet season. So you can
see these blue bars are well below our normal ranges. So we are
prepared, we are ready for the rainfall that is expected. Like I said,
we've been working very closely with Trinity's group and Road and
Bridge, and I think we are well situated for what lies ahead.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I would agree with that. I've been
watching the canals as they go down as I'm traversing the
community.
Commissioner Taylor, do you have a question for her?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I do. So the question at least of
some of my constituents is, okay, you've opened these canals.
You're bringing them down. Where's the water going?
MS. KOEHLER: So for the primary system, we have coastal
outfalls at Coco 1, which is along the north side of Immokalee Road;
our second outfall is at GG1, which is at Spanky's, which discharges
into Naples Bay, and our third one -- third coastal discharge is at
Henderson Creek right at 41 and Collier Boulevard; and the fourth
one is Fakaunion.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And so the discharges aren't,
like, one fell swoop where there's this major rush of water; is that
correct?
MS. KOEHLER: We've been discharging for over a week.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been going on.
MS. KOEHLER: Yeah. Those are the places we discharge
throughout the year, but we have --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: That needs to be said,
because --
MS. KOEHLER: Right. It's not just right now. I mean,
we've been discharging at those locations. That's where we have
been for the last 40 years.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Normal operation.
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MS. KOEHLER: Yes.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes.
Commissioner Solis.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Good morning.
MS. KOEHLER: Good morning.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Could you just, for anybody that's
watching, tell us the website address.
MS. KOEHLER: Oh, sure.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And, two, is there any way that I
could get this particular graph so that I could send that out?
MS. KOEHLER: I will.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I mean, there's a lot of people that
live along that Coco 1 canal that are sitting there biting their nails
looking at the canal. So this is great information. Thank you.
MS. KOEHLER: Absolutely. The District website is
SFWMD.gov, and this is the site status report. So you can Google
that in the bar, but I will also send you the link and this graphic in an
email.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: All of us.
MS. KOEHLER: All of you.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's good seeing you. Thank you.
MS. KOEHLER: Thank you.
MS. PATTERSON: Commissioners, if you'd like to, I can
put -- Mr. Klatzkow has the resolution relative to the curfew, should
it need to be implemented. I can put it on the visualizer now. The
dates are blank, obviously, because we're not implementing a curfew
now, but this puts the structure in place for us to be able to
implement, and that would be a decision between the County
Manager, the Sheriff, and in coordination with the Chair.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And we necessarily already voted
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on this, or do you want us to vote on it again?
MR. KLATZKOW: Yeah. I think because the Sheriff may
have to be incarcerating people on this, that we get as much formality
as we can.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. So give us a moment to
review it and read it.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Mr. Chair, so we're approving this.
Is the curfew starting today?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: We're approving with a blank date
so it can be filled in later?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That's correct.
MS. PATTERSON: Correct.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And in concurrence with the
Sheriff, the County Manager, and myself.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yeah. So we're delegating
that decision to you-all for the sake of time, that if a curfew was
recommended by the Sheriff, and you and the Chair agree, that you
already have our concurrence that we would agree, and the
foundation is here to sign quickly.
MS. PATTERSON: Correct. That way we don't have to call a
meeting to have a curfew.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I make a motion that we accept
this resolution leaving the dates of the curfew in the open and the
giving that authority to our Chair and the Sheriff and also our County
Manager.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It doesn't say the Sheriff and
County Manager in here. It's just solely with me. But, I mean
it's -- that is the way it's, in fact, going to happen. And
Commissioner Saunders adeptly said it on Sunday: We don't have to
have a meeting to decide if we're going to have a meeting. So it's
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been moved that we accept this as presented.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Second.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded.
Any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed, same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
MS. PATTERSON: Thank you very much.
Item #3A1 – RECOGNINZING 20-YEAR EMPLOYEES
FRANK INZANO – POWER SYSTEMS MANAGER; TROY
MILLER – COMMUNICATIONS, GOVERNMENT & PUBLIC
AFFAIRS, MANAGER OF TELEVISION OPERATIONS;
MICHAEL SAWYER – CAPITAL PROJECT PLANNING &
IMPACT FEES MANAGER – PRESENTED
Okay. Commissioners, that moves us to awards and
recognitions. We have several attendees today. Our first,
Item 3A1, 20-year attendees, 20 years, Frank Inzano, Wastewater
Power Systems manager.
(Applause.)
MS. PATTERSON: Congratulations.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Where you going, Frank? Pay
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attention to the camera. There we go.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: If you just stay up here, we don't
have to keep shuffling around. Who's next?
MS. PATTERSON: Next attendee is 20 years, Troy Miller,
Communications, Government and Public Affairs manager of
Television operations.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Troy, I remind you, you have
three minutes. You have three minutes, Troy.
MR. MILLER: I had music cued up.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: That is so appropriate.
Thanks for everything you do.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Great. All right.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Sir, please unmute yourself.
Please unmute. Thank you.
(Applause.)
MR. MILLER: I did want to thank a couple people, if the
County Attorney will set the timer for 20 minutes.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Did you fill out a slip?
MS. PATTERSON: Twenty years, Michael Sawyer, Capital
Project Planning & Impact Fees project manager.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: That's a workingman's tie. I
like that.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Don't walk back over there,
Commissioner Solis. We've got one more
Item #3A2 – RECOGNIZING 25 YEAR EMPLOYEES
MARY TOPOLESKI – PARKS AND RECREATION,
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SUPERVISOR OF COMMUNITY CENTERS
MS. PATTERSON: Twenty-five years, Mary Topoleski, Parks
and Recreation supervisor of community centers.
(Applause.)
MS. PATTERSON: Commissioners, that brings us to Item 3D,
Employee of the Month. This is a recommendation to recognize
Paul Fleig in the Parks and Recreation Division as the August 2022
Employee of the Month, and I will read a little bit about this.
In just under a year of service to the county, Paul has
demonstrated a high level of enthusiasm and devotion in his role
taking on special projects and leading new programs. Earlier this
year, Paul cofounded and led a pilot program called Collier After
Dark. This program demonstrates parts of the county that might
otherwise remain a mystery to most park visitors.
Collier After Dark offers activities including evening nature
walks and beach combing, education regarding the region's nocturnal
animals, astronomy, and hosting various guest presenters.
Paul's focus on visitor engagement and education is exhibited
through his willingness to help others. He has demonstrated this by
rescuing numerous beachgoers locked out of their vehicles and
returning stray kickballs stuck in park trees to children whose
ballgames otherwise would have ended without his intervention.
Paul values each interaction with visitors to the parks and strives to
ensure they have a clean and safe environment.
This past 4th of July, Paul volunteered to be the Parks and
Recreation mascot, Shero the Alligator, and made a special
appearance at the Sugden Regional Park. I actually saw him. That's
so cool. Despite the sweltering July temperatures, Paul spent hours
in a mascot costume posing with children, interacting with families,
and happily parading through the park to greet each visitor waiting to
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enjoy the fireworks. These interactions and contributions build on
the vision of the Parks and Recreation Division to enrich the quality
of life of the people we serve and the Collier County vision to be the
best community in America to live, work, and play.
Paul's initiative, professionalism, and dedication make him an
invaluable asset to the Collier County Parks and Recreation Division.
For these reasons, Paul Fleig was selected August 2022 Employee of
the Month. Congratulations.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: There's two things I'm going to
give you that -- that's the most important. There's your plaque, and
you're going to put this in your pocket because there's a little dilly
whopper there that you'll lose; don't lose that. That was very
specific instructions, Park Ranger.
MR. FLEIG: Yes, I hope I can follow them.
(Applause.)
MS. PATTERSON: Chair, we need to retake Frank's photo. It
didn't turn out, so...
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Really?
MS. PATTERSON: Sorry. We've got to call you back up.
MR. INZANO: We broke the camera.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Way to go, Frank.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: One of the commissioners broke
the camera.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Which one?
MR. INZANO: Don't move. We're good.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I don't think that's ever happened.
MS. PATTERSON: Commissioners, that moves us to the
proclamations.
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Item #4 – PROCLAMATIONS
ONE MOTION TAKEN TO ADOPT ALL PROCLAMATIONS
Item #4A
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING OCTOBER 2022 AS
CAREERS IN CONSTRUCTION MONTH. TO BE ACCEPTED
BY AMELIA VASQUEZ, KATHY CURATOLO, JP COLEMAN,
MATT SELLICK, ERIC MORRIS AND ROBERT MCGINNIS –
ADOPTED
Item 4A is a proclamation designating October 2022 as Careers
in Construction Month. To be accepted by Kathy Curatolo, JP
Coleman, Eric Morris, and Robert McGinnis.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: There we are.
(Applause.)
MR. COLEMAN: I'd like to say a couple words.
This one work? All right.
My name is JP Coleman, and I'm the current president of the
Collier Building Industry Foundation. We were going to have some
more board members here today but, obviously, with the impending
storm, they have an obligation to secure their job sites. So bear with
us a little bit.
On behalf of the 450 company members and staff at the Collier
Building Industry Association and our foundation, I would like to
extend our appreciation to the Board of County Commissioners, most
particularly, Commissioner Bill McDaniel for acknowledging the
work of our foundation and promoting careers in construction and
offering thousands of dollars in scholarships to our local students
who choose to further their education in the construction industry.
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To date, our members have provided funding in excess of 100,000 in
local scholarships and grants.
We are also proud to share these accolades with our partners at
the Collier County Public Schools. Their assistance in providing this
focus on careers in construction has been extremely productive in
connecting our members with students who are potentially interested
in working in the building industry.
Once again, thank you for recognizing the need for a trained
workforce for our local industry and acknowledging the work of the
Collier Building Industry Foundation. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: JP, thank you.
(Applause.)
Item #4B
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING OCTOBER 2022 AS SAFE
INFANT SLEEP MONTH IN COLLIER COUNTY. TO BE
ACCEPTED BY KIMBERLY KOSSLER, KRISTINE
HOLLINGSWORTH, LISA ADAMCZYK, PAULA DIGRIGOLI,
AND CORAL VARGAS – ADOPTED
MS. PATTERSON: Item 4B is a proclamation designating
October 2022 as Safe Infant Sleep Month in Collier County. The
proclamation will be forwarded to Dana Breeden at the Florida
Department of Health due to the fact that the offices of the recipients
listed in the agenda item are preparing to open hurricane shelters.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Outstanding.
Last but not last.
Item #4C
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A PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING SEPTEMBER 2022 AS
NATIONAL SUICIDE PREVENTION AWARENESS MONTH IN
COLLIER COUNTY – ADOPTED
MS. PATTERSON: Last but not least, Item 4C is a
proclamation designating September 2022 as National Suicide
Prevention Awareness Month in Collier County. To be accepted by
Shaina Anderson, board treasurer of the Florida Southwest Chapter of
the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention and members of the
Collier County Coalition for Healthy Minds.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Kathy has her finger over the
camera. Did you see that?
Do you want to say a few words? And then Commissioner
Solis would like to as well.
MS. ANDERSON: Okay. I'll only take a couple minutes.
Good morning. My name is Shaina Anderson on behalf of the
Southwest Florida chapter for the American Foundation for Suicide
Prevention. And as a member of the Collier County Healthy Minds
Committee, along with Michelle, Trista, Beth Hatch with NOMI, and
Scott Burgess with the David Lawrence Centers, we would like to
thank you, Commissioners, for recognizing September as Suicide
Prevention Awareness Month.
Our hope is to bring awareness and normalize these
conversations to reduce stigmas and encourage our community
members to reach out for help. We want to save lives. We could
not do the important work that all of us do without your support,
Commissioners, so thank you.
We are hosting annual Naples Out of the Darkness Walk on
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October the 29th at the North Collier Regional Park. Registration
opens at 8:00 a.m., and opening ceremonies start at 8:30. If you'd
like more information, you can find that on the AFSP website
AFSP.org/Naples. We welcome everyone to join to save lives and
bring hope for suicide prevention. So thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you for what you do.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Stay at the podium. Stay at the
podium. Commissioner Solis has a few words.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Well, thank you. I just wanted to
thank everyone on the coalition and everyone involved in this,
especially the individuals that have volunteered to be part of the
coalition. Just so that people know that, a lot of them were
individuals that served on the ad hoc committee that developed the
Mental Health and Addiction Strategic Plan that wanted to continue
to serve and so have now committed to working in the coalition and
to further the strategic plan. So thank you so much for your
continued commitment to the community. It's really heartwarming.
MS. ANDERSON: Thank you from all us for the opportunity.
(Applause.)
MS. PATTERSON: Chair, if we could get a motion to accept
the proclamations.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So move.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Second.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded that
we accept the proclamations as presented. Any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed, same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
Now we can go to public comment.
Item #7
PUBLIC COMMENTS ON GENERAL TOPICS NOT ON THE
CURRENT AGENDA
MS. PATTERSON: Yes. That brings us to Item 7, public
comment on general topics not on the current or future agenda.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chair, we have four registered speakers
today on this item; three in the room, one on Zoom. First up we
have Rae Ann Burton. She'll be followed by Jackie Keay.
MS. BURTON: Good morning, Commissioners. My name is
Rae Ann Burton, 2530 31st Avenue Northeast, Rural Golden Gate
Estates, Naples, Florida.
There's a serious threat of hurricane with high winds in Naples,
coastal storm surge, and schools closed, but we're here. If the public
can make the meeting, then so also should the commissioners, and
thank you for doing that. Since we have come in spite of hurricane
threat, we, the speakers, should be given five minutes, as we're
speaking for those that are securing homes and have been evacuated.
I just got my storms [sic] up yesterday. I still have more to do.
This meeting should be canceled due to the public is restricted
from coming due to the threat of hurricane, possible high winds, hard
rains and flooding, more than we have now; a lot already in the
Estates.
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The school superintendents are wiser than the school -- than the
BCC board. They canceled the schools. Is not the safety of your
constituents more important than developers making a profit?
There's also a question of conflict of interest with IRRV project
with Commission Daniels [sic]. Four foreclosed parcels of his in the
project. He should excuse himself from voting. Also is a concern
with contributors. Most -- get fundraising from mostly developers --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Rae Ann?
MS. BURTON: -- contractors, commercial real estate --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse
me. Stop. This is on today's subject [sic] today. This is on items
not on today's agenda. If you continue, I will stop you.
MS. BURTON: I am not continuing on that. I am --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You're discussing --
(Simultaneous crosstalk.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: -- items that are on today's agenda,
young lady. Stop.
MS. BURTON: There's a conflict of interest that I am talking
about --
(Simultaneous crosstalk.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: This is an item. You can speak at
that item when that item comes before us. Continue on with items
that are not on today's agenda, please.
MS. BURTON: Thank you.
Though this may be legal, to me it's putting the fox in the
henhouse to guard the chickens. There's much concern
(unintelligible) constituents that this board is favoring the developers
over quality of life that they moved to the Estates to enjoy.
We're losing wildlife habitat, seeing more invasion of bears,
panthers, and even alligators in the residential area. Some with
devastating results and even human deaths. Also more roadkill and
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car accidents due to traffic increase. Development must be
agreeable to all parts, not just to developer, but to projects' neighbors
as well.
I sent a suggestion for a portico [sic] for the speakers of this
board. Public should now have four minutes to speak, as stating
name, address, and who they represent takes up almost a minute,
maybe two. Public speakers, if interrupted by the BCC board,
should have the time used by that board [sic] back to the speaker to
give them the full minutes. If questions are asked by the BCC
Board, time used for the questions should be added back to the public
speaker to give the speaker the full time.
If after the speaker sits down and comments are made by the
Chair or anyone of the Board that may be offensive to the speaker or
the speaker feels there should be a response, the speaker should have
a one time right to answer or respond to the comment.
The proper way to ask for permission to respond should be the
speaker should ask, Mr. Chairman, may I respond to that statement?
If -- at that time the speaker should be permitted a one-time response
to this statement. If a speaker -- public speaker is threatening or
actual harm or so upset they cannot control their emotions, then and
only then can that speaker be removed by the Chairman.
The public speaker should show respect to the Board, and the
Board should not be checking laptops, cell phones, or getting up and
moving around while the speaker is speaking, and it [sic] should be
able to continue when it's not on the agenda.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And our next public speaker?
MR. MILLER: Your next public speaker is Jackie Keay.
She'll be followed online by Tom Ross. And Jackie's been ceded
three additional minutes from Brad Cornell, who is right there.
She'll have six months.
MS. KEAY: Good morning. Jackie Keay.
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Since some Christians are using the Bible to justify their evil
hatred and lies, I will use God's words to speak the truth. Sin is
defined as a transgression of the law of God and a rebellion against
God which can cut off -- cut you off from God's grace. The only
unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the holy spirit. This also
occurs when you attribute your evil actions and hatred to God. You
are essentially saying that God is evil, just like Satan.
The fruit of God's spirits are peace, love, joy, patience, kindness,
goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.
The seven deadly sins are associated with Satan. They are
pride, envy, wrath, gluttony, sloth, lust, and greed.
Wrath is defined as uncontrolled feelings of hatred, anger,
vengeance. And that was the first deadly sin to be unleashed on our
country. Those guilty of this sin did not realize that they were also
unleashing the other six deadly sins.
Here are some clear examples. Pride. We have local, state,
and federal citizens and elected officials who think they are above the
law and that they are not even accountable to God.
The wrath. Drastic increase in the number of children who are
being abused, tortured, and murdered across this nation by their
families, parents, and those who are trusted caregivers.
Lust, a drastic increase in children as young as three weeks old
who are being sexually molested, raped, and sold into sex trafficking.
Greed. Investors, management companies, and some landlords
are raising the rents too excessively that it is causing many
hardworking Americans to go homeless; otherwise, likewise, some
community members are so greedy that they are not even willing to
share community resources with the working class.
Certain elected officials are so focused on gaining and retaining
power that they do not care that they are destroying our communities,
state, and country. They would rather burn our nation down to the
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ground. Evil does have an expiration date.
God will hold us all accountable for our private and public
deeds. The same devil that gave them their power came to steal, kill,
and destroy. He will collect from them and their children. Sin will
never go unpunished without our confession, a change of heart, and
asking Jesus' forgiveness.
So, indoctrination on this level -- we all know history happened
during Nazi Germany. I'm an avid fan of history, especially World
War II. As a matter of fact, my ex-mother-in-law, her -- she and her
siblings were also Hitler youth, so I did get that firsthand perspective
as well as from many in the family.
What you will see is there is a parallel between what happened
during Nazi Germany and what is happening in America. The goal
was, number one, racial purity as far as Aryan. If you weren't
Aryan, you were seen as defiled. You were sent to the concentration
camp or in prison.
So the goal was to get Hitler installed as their leader. We see
the same thing going on here in America. Hitler was jailed for
treason for a year, and we see Donald Trump was kicked out of
office. And after that, he came back, and he was able to gain control
of the country. And what he did, the first thing was to tear down
their democracy as well as to kill their opponents. We see the same
thing. If you go up against any elected official, you are kicked out
of office or removed from that position.
We also saw an overwhelming indoctrination of students and
kids within the school system. It was the Rommel's belief that when
you control students, you control the future. So they indoctrinated
children through the Hitler youth, and indoctrination, obviously,
began in the school system. And we see in our school system
children, as well teachers, are being told what to learn, what not to
learn, instead of allowing educators who are qualified and
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experienced do their job.
And we also see this blanket hate that has spread across our
country. It's easier to indoctrinate people who already have hatred in
their heart. And I just read a study. It was done in 2015 as far as
anti-Semitism. Those who were indoctrinated during that time
period are still holding those same beliefs and hatred in their hearts.
One of the things that I see is so disheartening is an increase not
only in anti-Semitic, you know, attacks against the Jewish
community, but you also see Neo-Nazis in America who are going up
and down the street terrorizing people. And our elected officials
statewide, DeSantis, Trump, I don't care what you want to name
them, they say nothing. And they say nothing because they are in
agreement with what is going on. So unless we make some changes
in our country, we're going to repeat those same mistakes.
Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chair, I was informed Tom Ross is not, in
fact, for public comment but is on standby if needed as a consultant.
So I've made a mistake on my 20th anniversary day.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Oh, my.
MR. MILLER: I think you should get rid of me.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Did we give you a bonus for 20
years?
MR. MILLER: I do not believe so.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yeah? Can we get the check
back?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Oh, that was the Employee of the
Month.
MR. MILLER: Yeah, only that guy got a check.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We're good for now, then. That's
all we have.
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Item #9A
ORDINANCE 2022-35A AND ORDINANCE 2022-35B:
CREATING THE IMMOKALEE ROAD RURAL VILLAGE
OVERLAY (IRRVO) BY AMENDING ORDINANCE 89-05, AS
AMENDED, THE COLLIER COUNTY GROWTH
MANAGEMENT PLAN OF THE UNINCORPORATED AREA OF
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, SPECIFICALLY AMENDING
THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT AND MAP SERIES AND
CONSERVATION AND COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENT
TO CREATE THE IRRVO, TO REDESIGNATE 585.13 ACRES OF
RURAL FRINGE MIXED-USE DISTRICT-RECEIVING LANDS
TO SENDING LANDS, OF WHICH 578 ACRES ARE
DESIGNATED PURSUANT TO THE HUSSEY SETTLEMENT
AGREEMENT, RESULTING IN 210.78± ACRES OF NEUTRAL
LANDS, 1991.36± ACRES OF RECEIVING LANDS AND 585.13±
ACRES OF SENDING LANDS; TO ALLOW DEVELOPMENT
EITHER PER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR PER
THE IRRVO AT A MAXIMUM OF 4042 DWELLING UNITS; IF
DEVELOPED PER THE IRRVO: A MINIMUM OF 3,000
DWELLING UNITS WILL BE LOCATED IN THE RECEIVING
LANDS, A MINIMUM OF 25,000 S. F. AND A MAXIMUM OF
125,000 S. F. OF CIVIC, INSTITUTIONAL, GOVERNMENT
USES WILL BE ALLOWED IN THE VILLAGE CENTER OF
RECEIVING LANDS, A MINIMUM OF 50,000 SQUARE FEET
AND A MAXIMUM OF 250,000 S. F. OF COMMERCIAL USES
PERMITTED BY RIGHT AND CONDITIONAL USE IN THE
COMMERCIAL PROFESSIONAL AND GENERAL OFFICE
DISTRICT (C-1) THROUGH GENERAL COMMERCIAL
DISTRICT (C-4) ZONING DISTRICTS WILL BE ALLOWED IN
THE VILLAGE CENTER OF RECEIVING LANDS, WITH ALL
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NON-RESIDENTIAL USES SUBJECT TO A CAP OF 375,000 S.
F. IN THE RECEIVING LANDS; AND IF DEVELOPED PER THE
IRRVO, TO PROVIDE FOR CALCULATION OF DENSITY AND
GREENBELT AND NATIVE VEGETATION REQUIREMENTS;
FURTHERMORE DIRECTING TRANSMITTAL OF THE
ADOPTED AMENDMENT TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT
OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS
2787.27± ACRES AND LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF
IMMOKALEE ROAD, APPROXIMATELY TWO MILES NORTH
OF OIL WELL ROAD, IN SECTIONS 1 AND 2, TOWNSHIP 48
SOUTH, RANGE 27 EAST, IN SECTIONS 25, 35, AND 36,
TOWNSHIP 47 SOUTH, RANGE 27 EAST, COLLIER COUNTY,
FLORIDA. PL20180002660 – MOTION BY COMMISSIONER
SAUNDERS TO APPROVE W/FOUR (4) CCPC CONDITIONS;
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SOLIS – ADOPTED
MS. PATTERSON: Okay. Sir, that brings us to Item 9,
advertised public hearings. Item 9A is a recommendation to adopt
an ordinance creating the Immokalee Road Rural Village Overlay by
amending Ordinance 89-05 as amended, the Collier County Growth
Management Plan of the unincorporated area of Collier County,
Florida, specifically amending the Future Land Use Element and Map
Series and Conservation and Coastal Management Element to create
the IRRVO, to redesignate 585.13 acres of Rural Fringe Mixed-Use
District Receiving Lands to Sending Lands, of which 578 acres are
designated pursuant to the Hussey Settlement Agreement, resulting in
210.78 plus-or-minus acres of Neutral Lands, 1,991.36 plus-or-minus
acres of Receiving Lands, and 585.13 plus-or-minus acres of Sending
Lands; to allow development either per the Land Development Code
or per the IRRVO at a maximum of 4,042 dwelling units; if
developed per the IRRVO, a minimum of 3,000 dwelling units will
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be located in the Receiving Lands; a minimum of 25,000 square feet
and a maximum of 125,000 square feet of civic, institutional,
government uses will be allowed in the village center of Receiving
Lands; a minimum of 50,000 square feet and a maximum of 250,000
square feet of commercial uses permitted by right and conditional use
in the commercial, professional, and General Office District through
General Commercial District -- the first C-1 -- through the General
Commercial District C-4 Zoning Districts will be allowed in the
village center of Receiving Lands with all nonresidential uses subject
to a cap of 375,000 square feet in the Receiving Lands; and if
developed per the IRRVO, to provide for calculation of density and
greenbelt and native vegetation requirement; furthermore, directing
transmittal of the adopted amendment to the Florida Department of
Economic Opportunity.
We're ready to hear the petition.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, my only question is, is
there -- this is for the directing of transmittal. We've already
transmitted this. This is the adoption hearing.
MR. BOSI: Mike Bosi, Zoning Director.
I believe the clarification was transmit for adoption.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I got it, okay. It doesn't say that.
I just --
MS. PATTERSON: Understood.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. And you quit reading. Do
you want to finish off, since you read the whole thing in the first?
MS. PATTERSON: Well, I hoped to cut off a little bit. I
already had read all the acreages. Do you want to keep -- I'll read
the rest of it for you.
So with that clarification, transmittal for adoption. The subject
property is 2,787.27 acres and located on the east side of Immokalee
Road approximately two miles north of Oil Well Road in Sections 1
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and 2, Township 48 South, Range 27 East, in Sections 25, 35, and 36,
Township 47 South, Range 27 East, Collier County, Florida.
PL20180002660. This is in Commission District 5.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Very good. And I believe this is
ex parte, so we have to -- we have swearing in of the people?
MR. YOVANOVICH: It's legislative.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Is it legislative? Oh, forgive me.
My bad. You were -- no wonder you were making a face at me.
All right. Let's proceed.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Could I ask a question?
MR. MULHERE: We were flipping a coin.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: One second. On our
agenda, it says this requires an affirmative vote of four for approval.
Even though this is not -- I mean, this is a legislative issue?
MR. KLATZKOW: Any change to the zoning map requires
four votes.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Thank you.
MR. MULHERE: For the record, Bob Mulhere with Hole
Montes here on behalf of the applicant.
I'm going to try to shorten up the presentation and focus on the
highlights.
With me, obviously, is Rich Yovanovich on behalf of the
property owner, Don Schrotenboer. We also have Andy Woodruff
and Norm Trebilcock should you have questions on either
transportation or environmental issues.
I think you've seen this project before, so you know where it's
located; depicted on the screen now. This briefly shows what
surrounds us, CREW trust to the west, Corkscrew Island
Neighborhood to the north and across Immokalee Road to the north,
and Golden Gate Estates to the east is the subject property, right here.
Very briefly, this proposed overlay includes all three
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designations. It has Receiving Lands, it has Neutral Lands, and
Sending lands, or it will have Sending Lands because, in accordance
with the Hussey settlement, the Sending Lands which are not
designated right now are to be designated through this process.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: With all due respect, so what
I'm understanding is not only are we doing this --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: One second. If you would, please,
let's just stay in touch with what it is that we're doing so that
we -- he's in his --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: That's what I --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So we are actually -- the Hussey
designation will be decided in --
MR. MULHERE: Yeah. That was -- as part of the Hussey
settlement, there was a condition -- the Hussey -- the Hussey lands
got some Receiving Lands and the 846 Land Trust at the time got
Sending Lands. It was an exact swap of acreage, or pretty close to
exact.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. Thank you.
MR. MULHERE: This is your Future Land Use Map, and the
subject property is right here. This shows the receiving designation
over the whole property. But as I said, and you'll see in just a
minute, a portion of that will be designated sending.
This is a historic aerial from 1973 on the right and a current
aerial on the left, and you can see that the land has been impacted.
And those really aren't very different, and it's been impacted by
agriculture and earth mining for many years.
So here is the exact numbers. The Neutral Lands are
210.78 acres. There's no change in the acreage as part of this
transmittal -- part of this adoption hearing from transmittal. The
Sending Lands have increased, so we actually have 585.13 acres.
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That's 6.64 acres more than we had at the time of transmittal. And
you'll see that the Receiving Lands have decreased. We now have
1,991.36 acres of Receiving Lands, which is a 6.64 reduction from
the time of transmittal. So that makes up the changes.
This is the adoption language. I just highlighted in the areas I
already went over the acreage. The second highlighted sentence is
the Hussey agreement indicating that there will be a change in the
acreage there. And then the last highlighted bullet indicates
that -- and this is a change from transmittal -- that the IRRV lands
may either be developed under the LDC Section 2.03.08.A.2.a as set
forth below.
If the developer -- it looks like the language is a little bit wrong
in my slide. But if the developer does go forward with a village, the
entire thing will be rezoned to a single Planned Unit Development,
and so...
This is the Sending Lands, which totals 585.13 acres. What I've
highlighted here was in your transmittal language, but I just wanted
to call attention to it. If we restore those farm fields, there's between
85 and 100 acres of farm fields. We would get an additional bonus
credit of one TDR per acre. And this shows those farm fields.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Those are over in the northeast
side?
MR. MULHERE: They're north -- on the northwest side, or
sort of central.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Forgive me.
MR. MULHERE: Yeah. The Neutral Lands provide for a
connection to the north to Immokalee Road, and there's a large earth
mining lake on those lands as well.
Nothing -- we haven't made any changes to the Neutral Lands
language either at transmittal or adoption. It's just as is already
provided for in your Rural Fringe Mixed-Use District.
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Again, the Receiving Lands, 1,991.36. I think the County
Manager highlighted these. I'll just go over them real quickly. If
we go for a village, we're required to have the spine road, we're
required to have a minimum of 50,000 square feet and a maximum of
250,000 square feet of allowable uses in C-1 through C-4 in the
village center, and a minimum of 25,000 square feet and a maximum
of 125,000 square feet of civic, institution, and governmental uses.
We also have provided for a research and technology park.
This hasn't changed from transmittal. That has a minimum acreage
size -- or a maximum acreage size and square footage. We are also
committing to 100 multifamily units in the village center if we go
with the village.
Total square footage is capped at 375,000 for all of those
nonresidential uses.
Again, in the village, this shows you how we could achieve the
required maximum and minimum density. If we did a village, the
minimum density is 3,000 units or 1.51 units per acre, and the
maximum is 4,000 or 2.009 units.
The Receiving Lands have a base density of one unit per five
acres which translates to 398. We're required to do affordable
housing. We get a half a unit bonus for each of the 400 affordable
housing units we would be required to provide. That's 200 dwelling
units.
From our Sending Lands, we can achieve 451 dwelling units.
That includes the farm field restoration TDRs.
And we get a bonus in the village for every TDR credit, a
one-to-one bonus, so there's another 451 DUs. So that would total
1,500 dwelling units that we could get from the Immokalee Road
Rural Village Overlay lands. That means to get to 4,000 units we
would be required to acquire 1,250 TDRs. And that -- and if we
were to do the minimum, we would be required to acquire 750 TDRs.
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For a non-village, we get the base, 398; we get the sending land
TDRs from our own Sending Lands of 451; and to get to one unit per
acre, 1,191 units, we would be required to acquire 1,142 TDRs. Just
so you know, those are going for 18,5- to 20,000 right now, so we're
talking about a big chunk of change, if you do the math.
This is the Conservation and Coastal Management Element
change. The Rural Fringe Mixed-Use District, when it was adopted,
required a 30 percent littoral planting area. We have -- and this was
approved at transmittal, but we have -- there's a slight change in it.
The change is the first highlighted phrase. So this now reads,
"within the Immokalee Road Rural Village Overlay," and this change
was requested by staff, "and implemented through a Planned Unit
Development or Land Development Code amendment. The total
littoral planting shelf area may be reduced to 15 percent if provided
with one or more larger aggregated littoral planting areas, providing
greater habitat value."
And this is just an example --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: One second.
Commissioner Solis.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Can -- I don't want to interrupt the
flow, but I don't understand that. And I'm trying to understand how
a reduction is somehow better. And maybe Mr. Bosi could just
answer that. That was -- that change to the littoral planting
requirements was proposed by staff -- or whoever could just explain
that to me. I've read it twice, and I still --
MR. MULHERE: Well, what we proposed --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I must not have had enough coffee
today.
MR. MULHERE: We proposed it.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: You proposed it.
MR. MULHERE: Yes.
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: So I'm trying to figure out how a
reduction is good.
MS. COOK: Jaime Cook, your director of Development
Review.
The Land Development Code in the native preservation section
of the code, 3.05.07, does allow for a reduction in the amount of
littorals required within the Rural Fringe Mixed-Use District if they
are doing -- creating increased wetland habitat restoration, creating
wading bird habitat, or creating other listed species habitat. So by
doing the farm field restoration, they would be eligible for that
reduction in the littorals.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Oh.
MS. COOK: So they would be required to do the restoration of
that farm field in order to get the reduced littorals. If they were not
to do the farm field restoration, they would have to meet the
30 percent.
MR. MULHERE: If I could, it's on the screen now. If you just
look at Paragraph C, that creates an opportunity, because we are
creating listed species habitat in addition to wading bird habitat. But
the reason we have that language in there is it's actually more
restrictive because it requires us to do it in one or more larger littoral
planting areas, and it specifically excludes the two large existing
earth mining lakes because they have their own restoration plans.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay. So there's a -- in order to
get that reduction, you have to do -- you have to create some other
habitats?
MR. MULHERE: Correct.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay.
MR. MULHERE: It says, create, enhance, or restore habitat for
other listed species in a location and amount mutually agreeable to
the applicant and Collier County, which I believe we agree.
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay. All right. I get it, okay.
Thank you. Sorry for the interruption.
MR. MULHERE: That's okay.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's already -- you already
interrupted at an appropriate time. Are you at a stopping point for --
MR. MULHERE: I think so.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: -- me to give Terri a break?
MR. MULHERE: You okay with that? Let's do it. 10:42.
We'll be back in 10 minutes.
(A brief recess was had from 10:32 a.m. to 10:42 a.m.)
MS. PATTERSON: Chair, you have a live mic.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: If everybody would please migrate
back to their seats, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. Oh, you
know what, I'm done with coffee for now.
All right. Bob, if you would like to continue.
MR. MULHERE: We're at a point where -- I mean, it is
summary presentation. I think maybe if you -- I know you'll have
some specific questions, so we'll see if we can't answer those for you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Does anybody have
any -- I have a couple of questions that I'd like to ask. And
my -- you want me to wait till you're done with your happy coffee
cake?
Commissioner Saunders, do you have any questions of the
applicant before I go, or do you want me to go first?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: The only question I have is
going to be dealing with the communication we got from Brad
Cornell concerning the wildlife corridor. And, Mr. Chairman, I
understand from your comment earlier that something has been
worked out there. That's my issue, and hopefully that can be
addressed.
MR. YOVANOVICH: And for the record, Rich Yovanovich.
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I'm not familiar with what correspondence that may be, but --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Let me clarify it for you.
In the transmittal hearing and the map that was shown, there was a
wildlife corridor with a wildlife crossing. And I want -- I want to
see that that wildlife corridor and crossing is going to be maintained
as was -- as was proposed and accepted in the transmittal hearing.
MR. YOVANOVICH: What you saw at the transmittal hearing
was the proposed PUD master plan should those items come
concurrently.
One of the conditions in your staff report is that that wildlife
corridor be addressed when the PUD -- if a PUD comes back for
consideration by the Board of County Commissioners. So that will
be a requirement that we address that --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: There's no "if."
MR. YOVANOVICH: -- at the PUD. If we come in a PUD.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well -- and that's one of my
questions, Rich. And I said this to you; I said it to Don. I don't
want -- there's a reason why someone's asking for a choice between
the village and the other -- and the other proposition that's here.
There's a reason for that choice. And if this isn't coming back for an
approval by an MPUD, then we don't have the capacity of protecting
the wildlife corridor and the crossing. That was -- that was one of
the precedents for the acceptance.
The other question that I have is the transportation aspect of it.
I saw language specifically in the village prospect with regard to the
new Immokalee Road. I want to make sure -- I call it the new
Immokalee Road. That's the one where the -- where the --
MR. YOVANOVICH: I understand.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We call that the new Immokalee
Road. And so I want to ensure that we've got provisions from a
transportation perspective for the corridor -- or for the right-of-way
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for that new Immokalee Road, its construction as well, and the
intersection improvements for both.
If this project isn't coming back for a MPUD, then there are
circumstances that need to be addressed today.
MR. YOVANOVICH: This is a -- okay. The reason we're
here now without the PUD is because all of the additional
requirements associated with a village at this point makes the project
not financially feasible as a village. We don't want to abandon hope
on maybe doing a village if costs come down for potentially doing
the village, because we have to do commercial, we have to do this
bisecting road, we have to do affordable housing. All those things
come with a village.
If we were to go under today's Land Development Code
requirements, which we're allowed to do, if we somehow don't get
this Growth Management Plan amendment through, we'll have -- the
only option we'll have is to develop under the existing Land
Development Code, which would be at a density of about 2,000 units
at, you know, one per acre.
But we would not have to commit to all of that commercial, we
would not have to commit to affordable housing, and we would not
have to commit to build that road, the new Immokalee Road.
Trinity has the ability to get that right-of-way because it's in her
long-range plan. And I may have the wrong terminology, but it's in
her plan to do that new Immokalee Road. But as a village, we build
two of the four lanes. All of those costs right now, and the difficulty
in actually finding the TDRs, makes a village today not feasible.
That's why you do not have the PUD as a companion item.
We had to go through with the Growth Management Plan
amendment now because, under the larger-scale Growth Management
Plan amendments, you have to have your adoption hearing within a
period of time after the state review occurs. We've already gotten a
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couple of extensions. We're past the extension period. That's why
we brought forward the GMP today with the hope someday we'll
come back and do a PUD. And at that PUD stage, we will address
the wildlife corridor, which we would not have to address today as
part of the Land Development Code provisions.
There is also a question about whether the agencies themselves
even want this interconnection to occur because it will be introducing
certain species. One through the old -- crossing the old Immokalee
Road, then crossing the new Immokalee Road, and sending them into
the Estates. Some of the agencies don't think that's a good idea to be
introducing panthers and other animals into a part of the Estates that's
now being populated with homes.
So we thought it was better to leave that discussion to the PUD
stage and not have it as a commitment today in the Growth
Management Plan amendment. We cannot commit and we will not
commit to including that as a requirement in the GMP today. We
would prefer to do that at the PUD when we have an actual site plan
and we are further along in our permitting with the agencies so we
can properly address those comments then.
So I hope that's telling you why we're doing what we're doing
and why some of these commitments will put us over the top, and we
won't have the ability to do a village. We'll just develop under the
existing Land Development Code.
So we'd like to stay with the potential of doing a village and
bring back a PUD if the finances change. And I think -- I think staff
would like us to try to do a village as well to bring commercial to that
area and reduce trips west into the urban area.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: With the benefit.
Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So they found panthers in Port
Royal years ago, swam across from Keewaydin. So the idea of a
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wildlife corridor suddenly exposing Golden Gate to all these
not-so-welcomed beasts --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: They're already there.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: They're there, yeah. And I
believe the Governor has just given several million dollars for the
establishment of a wildlife corridor. So it's clear that Governor
DeSantis' priorities are backed by a significant amount of money to
develop this wildlife corridor through Florida.
MR. YOVANOVICH: But not in this specific location.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Not in this specific location. I
would look -- I'll look forward to hearing from, you know, our
Audubon folks and Florida Wildlife folks about this issue.
But -- so, I -- I mean, you've been very forthcoming about why
you want the option, village or no village. But why does that -- why
has that got anything to do with us?
MR. YOVANOVICH: Well, because you're -- the only way I
could do a village is to amend the Growth Management Plan that
would allow me to do the village. If I don't amend the Growth
Management Plan, under the current village criteria it doesn't work at
all. You don't have a single village that has come forward in the
Rural Fringe Mixed-Use District. It's different than a Rural Lands
Stewardship Area. You were supposed to have villages
where -- Bonita Bay, now Ronto, that was supposed to be a village.
Too expensive under the existing criteria to do a village, so they
developed under the existing Land Development Code.
Where we're located, supposed to be a village. If it made sense
to be a village under the existing Land Development Code, we would
have brought that village forward. So we're bringing to you
proposed amendments to the village criteria that make the village --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Plausible.
MR. YOVANOVICH: -- possible. Now, remember, we
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started this process a few years ago before the skyrocketing costs of
construction and other things. So that's -- that's a factor, I guess,
fortunately for us, that happened before we got to the adoption stage.
So that's why we're tinkering with -- or modifying the village criteria
so that you could potentially have a village. So that's what it has to
do with you.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. So the -- I think -- I
don't know if we spoke about this. I understand the littoral issue,
and I'm comfortable with that. I'm still, you know, hesitating
about -- but, I mean, in a sense, you're giving us -- you're giving us
choices, but it's not real choices. If we want the possibility of a
rural -- of a Rural Village with affordable housing and the
commercial, then we need to amend the GMP. If we don't amend it,
which gives you the control, right, village or no village, then you've
got the control anyway. So it's really not much of a choice. It's a
process we're going through.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Well, you could say no. You could say
no --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: If we say no, then we've -- then
it's clear, if you go forward with development today, the costs are not
correct for your business model, and I respect that, that there's
not -- that's not a criticism.
MR. YOVANOVICH: No. We have -- right now we have no
choice. Our only choice today, if we don't amend the Growth
Management Plan, is develop under the existing Land Development
Code. We're asking you to give us an opportunity to potentially
bring a village and bring that PUD associated with that, because
we're telling you right now, and history has shown you, that the
existing provisions in the Land Development Code and the Growth
Management Plan will not result in a property owner bringing
forward a village within the Rural Fringe Mixed-Use District.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. So the final one is, I'm
not happy with the way you defined affordable housing. I think we
should use affordable housing -- I don't like the limitations of 80 to
120 thousand -- or percent of the mean. I'd like to widen that a little
bit, but I'm only one person up here.
MR. YOVANOVICH: I don't know what "widen" means. Do
I get to go to 140?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I think 60 to 120 or -- I
wouldn't go 40 -- maybe 60 percent of the average median.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Commissioner, if you all elect to put a
range of 60 to 120, that will be a factor that will decide whether or
not to come forward in the future with a PUD to do a village.
That's -- I mean, right now --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: That's what I --
MR. YOVANOVICH: The reason the 80 to the 120 was in
there was because that's what the Planning Commission
recommended, that that would be a range for people to be served and
the specifics of what categories would be served, and the number of
units in each of those categories would be decided and the location of
those units would all be decided at the PUD.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay.
MR. YOVANOVICH: It's a range. If you want to lower the
range, it will be a factor that we'll factor in because my guess is -- I
don't know what the Commission will decide at that time. If they
decide to impose a 60 percent or less, we'll have to evaluate that at
that time.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Right, thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Would you please, somebody, Bob
or you, put up the two choices with a Rural Village and/or not, with
the ramifications --
MR. YOVANOVICH: The two choices.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: The two choices that you're
proposing today if we amend the GMP and allow for the option of a
Rural Village or not.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Did you want the TDR calculation we
showed you?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes. That was the slide.
MR. YOVANOVICH: I don't know what's going on right here.
MR. MILLER: I'm trying to find the slide. Bob's going to be
better equipped.
MR. YOVANOVICH: It's right here. Is it up? It's a black
screen.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And I didn't mean to interrupt,
Commissioner Taylor. Are you okay for now?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah. No, that's a good thing
to do, and then I have one more thing that I want to bring Mr. Bosi
up --
MR. YOVANOVICH: Commissioner, is that what you had in
mind?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Thanks, Troy.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you.
And go ahead, Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. It's not to do with that.
But -- or maybe it's Ms. Scott, because I want to confirm that. Is the
spine road referred to in Mr. Mulhere's presentation the same new
Immokalee Road? Is that -- is that one and the same?
MR. YOVANOVICH: Yeah. If we were to do a PUD, the
spine road is the same as new Immokalee Road.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. All right.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I'm calling Trinity. I just gave her
the -- I just gave her the sign.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: It's all in one, right? It's the
same thing?
MR. YOVANOVICH: It's the same thing. It's the same thing,
yes; yes, ma'am.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So if we let you get this -- if we
agree to the amendment, then we get the spine road. If we don't, we
don't?
MR. YOVANOVICH: If we don't build a village, we don't
build a spine road.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: You mean contribute to it?
MR. YOVANOVICH: We let the county come buy the
right-of-way.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So I -- I definitely think we
need to hear from Ms. Scott on this one.
MS. SCOTT: Good morning. Trinity Scott, Transportation
Management Services department head.
In either event, we will be reserving the right-of-way for new
Immokalee Road a/k/a spine road, whatever it is. It is identified in
your Long-Range Transportation Plan. When you were seated in
this same room as your MPO board, you adopted that Long-Range
Transportation Plan with that roadway corridor in there, which then
allows my staff to be able to work with developments as they come
forward to reserve that right-of-way as necessary.
Now, with a village road and the spine road, based on their own
internal traffic, they will have to build two lanes of that four-lane
roadway to accommodate their own traffic, and then we will work
with them through a developer agreement that would be a companion
item coming through to be able to, perhaps, have them go ahead and
build those extra lanes for credits or for other payments.
MR. KLATZKOW: If you want that spine road, all right, the
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way to do it is to do it now as a condition of this approval. And if
you were going to go that route, I would suggest you set the purchase
price as to what land is worth now rather than after all these
entitlements are granted.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That's a twist.
MR. YOVANOVICH: To what? I mean, are we talking about
as part of the village?
MR. KLATZKOW: No, as part of the approval of your
request.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Well, let me make sure -- I have to
break this down to understand what just happened.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So --
MR. YOVANOVICH: Let me ask the question. If it's going
to be a condition of our being able to develop under the existing Land
Development Code provisions that we also have to build a spine road,
is that what you're suggesting, Mr. Klatzkow?
MR. KLATZKOW: No. What I'm suggesting is you have an
application before the Board. The Board can, as a condition of the
application, at this point in time, resolve the issue of the spine road.
MR. YOVANOVICH: What I'm asking is for the clarification
under -- is it under -- if I want to just do a 2,000-unit Land
Development Code requirement, I'm going to have to also do a spine
road or if it's --
MR. KLATZKOW: No, you're not doing the spine road.
We're doing the spine road, but we're reserving -- we're reserving the
ability to purchase it at today's prices, not the prices two, three, four,
five years down the road. Rich, we do this all the time.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Jeff, but there's two different scenarios
here. I mean, you already have the ability today --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct.
MR. YOVANOVICH: -- to reserve the right.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: The right-of-way is reserved today,
if I'm not mistaken, in either case. If I heard Trinity say that, the
right-of-way is, in fact, reserved in either case. In the village case,
they build two of four potential lanes.
MS. SCOTT: Just for clarification, Mr. Chairman, the roadway
itself, the specific area for the right-of-way reservation is not
dedicated as of right now, it is not reserved; however, with the next
development order that would come in for the parcel, whether that be
for a village or for a non-village, staff would work with the applicant
to reserve that right-of-way at that time. That is what we have
historically worked through.
Typically, you would see a PUD that comes in as a companion,
and Mr. Yovanovich talked about that. That would have probably
worked out some of these kinks, but...
But, yes, in either event, whether it's a village or non-village, my
staff and I will be working with the applicant to reserve the necessary
right-of-way for a four-lane facility to connect Immokalee Road to
Immokalee Road for the new Immokalee Road.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right. And I don't think at this
particular time -- I mean, personally, anyway, we've all decided that
having that -- having that new Immokalee Road is an okay thing if, in
fact, the village goes forward, but if we don't do the village, you're
still -- the contribution of the right-of-way along the old Immokalee
Road, that's still part of the non-village?
MR. YOVANOVICH: No, sir.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: No. Can I -- I want to ask --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Commissioner -- well,
Commissioner Taylor, you're still up, and then I'll come to you,
LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Well -- and just as a point of
historical information, I would remind my colleagues that we had an
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RLSA development that we assumed there would be a contribution
from the developer to build a road, and they changed their minds, so
the --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Which one was that?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No, we don't want to go there.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yeah, nor do I.
MR. YOVANOVICH: And I don't either.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And I would suggest -- and they
were within their right to do it.
MR. YOVANOVICH: I don't remember --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: There wasn't --
MR. YOVANOVICH: I haven't done every RLSA program out
of there, but I've done all of them -- I guess I have.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Let's stay in the RFMUD.
MR. YOVANOVICH: I don't remember that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We've got enough to discuss trying
to separate between the RLSA and the Rural Fringe Mixed-Use
District, so let's stay here.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. So, Mr. Klatzkow,
you're suggesting that, as much as we legally can, we -- you're
shaking your head, so I'm going to turn this over to you.
MR. KLATZKOW: No. What I'm saying is if you want the
spine road, irrespective of if it's a village or not a village, now is the
time to make that as a condition of this approval. They may not
accept it and may walk away. But if you want that spine road, now
is the time to get it, and I would suggest you get it at today's fair
market value rather than fair market value down the road.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. And I may be able to make
this a lot simpler, just to clarify. Commissioner Taylor, I don't mean
to interrupt. Did you have --
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No, no, I am finished now.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Commissioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Just in simplistic terms, if we
approve the village, then the applicant, the developer, has more of a
responsibility for that road, and if we don't approve the village, then
you don't, correct? I mean, I'm just simplifying. I mean, there's a
lot of stuff flying around here. But in laymen's terms, that's basically
it. Village, more responsibility on you financially for the road. If
we don't, then you'll go by, sort of, normal processes and procedures,
and you make no voluntary -- volunteer -- you don't volunteer
making any sort of investment in the road, where the village, that's a
condition?
MR. YOVANOVICH: Correct.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: That's in the package?
MR. YOVANOVICH: That is correct.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And we go from 2,000 units to
4,000 units.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Right. Yeah, that's the
tradeoff. That's the tradeoff.
MR. YOVANOVICH: And 400 affordable housing units from
zero.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yeah. That was the second
part of my question. I think it's important to sort of summarize.
Village, these are the things that are under there. It's more financial
responsibility for the road. A village is certainly different than just
sort of building housing, right? So it's more of a mixed use. It has
affordable housing in it, a bunch of other things. If we don't approve
any of that, then we get sort of a normal development which doesn't
have all of those -- I won't say --
MR. YOVANOVICH: Correct.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: -- extras or enhancements.
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It's arguable if those are extras or enhancements, but those additional
things on the list, correct?
MR. YOVANOVICH: Correct.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: And that's what we're
trying -- that's what's up for debate today --
MR. YOVANOVICH: Correct.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: -- if we're going to allow you
to move forward with the village and the list that goes with it or
non-village and the shorter list that goes with it, correct?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And when you come back for the
non-village, you still have to do a PUD or plat.
MR. YOVANOVICH: A plat.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: A plat.
MR. YOVANOVICH: A plat.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: At which point we have little to no
negotiating power with regard to how and what you do?
MR. YOVANOVICH: Correct.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Just a quick question. If
you do not do a village but you do the non-village approach under the
current LDC, what happens to the wildlife corridor that we're talking
about?
MR. YOVANOVICH: You don't get it.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So that would go away?
MR. YOVANOVICH: And -- yes.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: All right. And you're going
to have to come back with a PUD?
MR. YOVANOVICH: Correct, if we do the village.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: If you do the village, and
that will require four votes as well --
MR. YOVANOVICH: Correct.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- is that correct?
MR. KLATZKOW: If they come back, yes.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Well, I mean, if this is
approved today and they want to do a village, they have to come
back.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Correct.
MR. KLATZKOW: Yes, but they've already said they
presently cannot do a village.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I understand they may not do
a village. It may not be --
MR. KLATZKOW: Four votes.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- economically feasible, but
if they move that way, they have to come back, and we can address
the wildlife corridor at that time.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Correct.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: If we don't approve this, then
they do a non-village, and we don't have to talk about wildlife
corridors because it just simply goes away.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Nor the road.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Which would not be -- that
issue would not be in front of us.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Correct.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Which I think would not be a
good result. And I'll look to Brad Cornell and all -- I mean, I would
like to hear from them at some point before we --
MR. YOVANOVICH: Of course.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We will. We'll get to them when
we -- I'm assuming they're listening.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And I'd like to hear from
staff as well in terms of just the overall planning for that area as to
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why the village would be beneficial versus the --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: My goodness.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- non-village. I just want
to get that on the record. I understand, Mr. Chairman. But I just
want to hear -- I want to hear what --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No, I was going to agree with
my colleague, Commissioner Saunders. I think it's time to hear from
Mr. Bosi, if the Chair is willing to bring him up.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, before you leave, just -- and
where's the picture of the proposed Rural Village as it is -- as it's
being proposed now without -- with the lake where the wildlife
corridor used to be? The picture.
MR. YOVANOVICH: You mean the master plan?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Sir?
MR. YOVANOVICH: An outdated PUD master plan --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes. The outdated PUD --
MR. YOVANOVICH: -- that wasn't submitted yet.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct, yes. Right -- and that's
Tract B up there.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Yes, Tract B would be -- I think is what
some people would like to see become a wildlife corridor.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And did I hear -- well -- and did I
hear you say that you were not today going to commit to the wildlife
corridor or the road?
MR. YOVANOVICH: As part of a --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: PUD. As part of a transmittal
hearing --
MR. YOVANOVICH: We will agree --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: -- for the GMP amendment, did I
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hear you say you are not committing to the wildlife corridor or the
road?
MR. YOVANOVICH: The road is already a requirement. The
wildlife corridor we're not committing to. We're already required to
do a road. We'll work with Trinity as to the exact location of it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Gotcha.
MR. YOVANOVICH: But the wildlife corridor we would like
to address --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: At the PUD stage.
MR. YOVANOVICH: -- at the PUD stage and not today.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: If, in fact, you come back with a
village --
MR. YOVANOVICH: If we come back.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: -- and if you don't do the village,
then you're not required to do a PUD and, again, as Commissioner
Saunders already said, you're not required to do the corridor or the
crossing.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Correct.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Taylor, have you
got another question?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No. I just think we need to
hear from Mr. Bosi regarding the wildlife corridor.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Very good. Thank you.
MR. BOSI: Mike Bosi, Planning and Zoning director.
And I will get to the wildlife corridor in a second. Just to
remind, at the very beginning, this requires four votes, four
affirmative votes because you are amending the Growth Management
Plan. You are -- within it there's two specific ordinances. One, an
ordinance for the Future Land Use Element which contains most of
the Rural Village modifications/amendments and then the CCME,
which we've spoken about, the littoral planting. Those are the two
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elements of the GMP that you're being asked to amend.
One of the most important things I think that has to be
recognized of why the option of the Rural Village has value to the
county, one, it completes, it closes the loop on the Hussey settlement.
That Hussey settlement was a long time in the making. It does
require that the 578 acres be designated Sending Land as an offset to
the exchange for the Receiving Lands that the Hussey received as
part of that settlement. So this closes the loop. It closes the -- it
completes the transaction that was mediated through the court system
related to the Hussey settlement.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: One second. If we don't approve
the GMP amendment, what happens to -- the settlement doesn't
change.
MR. BOSI: The settlement doesn't change. Staff then has to
work with the applicant to initiate a Growth Management Plan
amendment to redesignate the 578 acres within their property. The
specifics of that, I couldn't tell you exactly the ins and outs, but we
would -- that's what we would have to take up.
As well as the benefit is, of course, the 400 units for affordable
housing would be something that the village would be able to provide
for compared to the nonresidential or to the -- to the platting option.
A second -- or another sits within what was proposed as part of
the Rural Fringe Mixed-Use District amendments that we didn't move
forward at transmittal. We held back based upon recommendations
from the Planning Commission. But that's economies of scale. And
what does that mean, economies of scale? Well, at one unit per acre,
the amount of commercial square footage that could be supported by
this development's going to be somewhat limited.
Within the village allowances, they're allowed to ask for up to
three units per acre, and those three units per acre starts to add the
economies of scale towards where the commercial can be supported
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in a wider manner, meaning that more goods and services, more
economic opportunities would be available within the village area.
One of the things I think that they've -- or they've stated on the
record was there's -- the amount of commercial that is required from
the village based upon the amount of commercial that's entitled
within this area -- which is a significant amount. Staff recognizes
that. And with Bright Shore, an SRA that's going to be coming up in
future meetings as well, there is a lot -- over -- millions of square foot
of commercial allocation within this general area.
So the more economies of scale, the more density that we can
get to be able to support those commercial ventures only helps the
long-term transportation network of the amount of and the variety of
commercial that could be developed within the area that we know
will be able to serve those Estates lots as well.
And as far as the wildlife corridor, part of the recommendation
from the Planning Commission and staff's recommendation to the
Board of County Commissioners -- and I think it's been alluded to
from Mr. Yovanovich -- will be addressed at the MPUD. But what I
will say is if they would go the plat route, before they would be in
that development order, Ms. Cook's team would say, okay, show me
your U.S. -- your federal permits.
So if the federal agencies thought that that -- the large mammal
corridor was the appropriate location and area, that would be an ask.
So I'm not sure if the -- if we would go to the plat and not go through
the Rural Village, I don't know if that goes away. I just don't know
what the perspective of the federal agencies are regarding that large
mammal corridor.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I think the decision -- my concern
would be the decision's not with this board, then. It's with the
federal agencies making a call as to whether or not there was a
plausible path for those creatures to move to and through.
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MR. BOSI: Agreed, agreed. What -- I will say that the
Planning Commission heard this back in August, unanimously
recommended approval with the five individual conditions that are
contained within your executive summary. Staff is still
recommending approval. I think the option to potentially have that
mixed-use PUD has value. They can move forward with the LDC
process as -- as it exists.
It does complicate the issue because we will have to defer to the
federal agencies, as the Chair had said. We'll have to -- we'll have to
construct all of that spine road on our own dollar, whereas if it was
the village, you know, there's a cost sharing that goes -- associated
with it.
So there are some advantages of leaving that door open, but I
also understand the Board of County Commissioners would like more
specificity at this stage and, unfortunately, with only having the GMP
in place, there's more -- there's less that you guys have control over
because we're not at the zoning stage as well.
But, overall, staff is -- is recommending approval subject to the
conditions that were contained, and we'd be happy to answer any
questions the Board may have.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Technically, we are at the zoning
stage. If we approve the GMP amendment, we are at the zoning
stage for a non-village or a village. So, technically, we are at the
zoning stage. If they choose to not do the village, then the benefits
associated with the village approval don't come forth. They are
then --
MR. BOSI: Yes.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: But they are, today, approved
without even talking to us for a non-village per right that they
currently have, which is plus-or-minus 2,000 units.
MR. BOSI: Correct. And the one thing I will say, the one
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benefit either/or -- either/or, in the village there was 750 to 1,250
TDRs that were going to be required for consumption. The
non-village option was 11,420 [sic].
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Hundred.
MR. BOSI: Or eleven hundred, I'm sorry. Thank you. Either
way, it's a tremendous advancement of the Rural Fringe Mixed-Use
District program, because that type of a consumption -- we have not
seen that level of consumption of TDRs, and the process has been
around for close to 19 years.
And I don't agree with counsel when he states each -- there was
four receiving areas, each one of those receiving areas were
encouraged to have a village development, and the market has not
responded. I think the availability of TDRs and the cost of
acquisitions of TDRs is something that is still problematic from a
regulatory standpoint, and part of what we're going to be doing when
we bring back the Rural Fringe Mixed-Use District amendments is
updating the estimation of the number of credits that are in the
system, the number of credits that are going to be demanded of the
system, and I think that will be informative to this very issue of what
steps we probably need to take to increase the liquidity of TDRs to
make this program move forward in a little bit more proactive
fashion.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And the development criterium
within the village. That was one of the prohibiting factors from the
inception of the Rural Fringe Mixed-Use District. There was a
considerably higher expense associated within the -- within the
described development criterium, so...
Okay. I don't have anybody lit up. Anybody else have a
question before we go to public comment? You all set?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All right. Let's do it. Let's do the
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public comment, Troy.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chair, we have seven registered speakers
today. Your first speaker is Brad Cornell, and he will be followed
by Meredith Budd. I'd like to encourage the speakers to use both
podiums and queue up, please.
MR. CORNELL: Good morning, Commissioners. I'm Brad
Cornell, and I'm here on behalf of Audubon Western Everglades and
Audubon Florida. Thanks for the opportunity to address you on this
project.
So Audubon Western Everglades and Audubon Florida have met
with the developer's representatives, with your staff, and with you
over the last two years to talk about, you know, the comings and
goings of this project. That resulted in our provisional support for
the Board's transmittal of the Immokalee Road Rural Village Overlay
in March of 2021, and that was largely because in that version, which
I've shared with you maps of that conceptual master plan for the
village, they had committed to and -- in our meetings with them they
had committed to protecting an existing large mammal wildlife
corridor that went between Bird Rookery Swamp, Horse Pen Strand,
and the CREW lands to the north. That earned Audubon's support
for that large portion of this project. That's a preserve across the
entire top of the project.
A few months after that, the project concept changed. They
changed their development proposal and took that out and put
development in a large lake in the way of that large mammal
corridor.
And we saw that as a -- basically bait and switch.
This -- you've taken away, from our perspective, one of the most
important elements for wildlife and the ecology and the environment
of this region.
Now, I want to point out, the consultants have said -- the
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applicant has said that they don't like the wildlife corridor because it's
going to be introducing wildlife, panthers and bears, into Golden
Gate Estates, but that's not true. Those animals are already there.
They are already using this corridor and this connection. So that's
no introduction.
That's -- what we're looking for is protection of an existing large
mammal movement corridor, and the agencies recognize that, both
the state and the federal agencies. Florida Fish and Wildlife
Conservation Commission and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service do
support the protection of this corridor. We've met with both of those
agencies, and that is the -- that is the current position of them.
So -- and one other thing I want to point out is that the -- this is
not a question of financial feasibility, protecting this wildlife
corridor. So I'm not sure why the applicant is reluctant to make that
commitment to you today. It doesn't have to do with financial
feasibility.
And one other thing, there is a local Collier County interest in
this. You currently have been buying, through your Conservation
Collier Program, including more parcels that are going to show up on
your later agenda today for Cycle 11A, you have been buying parcels
in the Horse Pen Strand. That's part of this corridor. So we support
protecting that as part of this process.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Do you have a question for him
before I cut him loose, Commissioner Saunders?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I think just -- well, I don't
have a question at this point. I'm sorry.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I just wanted to -- we can always
bring him back if we need him.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Meredith Budd. She'll be
followed by Matthew Schantz [sic].
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MS. BUDD: Good morning, Commissioners. Meredith Budd
on behalf of the Florida Wildlife Federation.
So in order to not -- try to be not duplicative of Brad's
statements, the Federation was also supportive at the transmittal
hearings under the understanding that the applicant had been
communicating with our groups, putting forth a conceptual plan that
maintained a wildlife movement corridor, and that was something we
were very supportive of.
I want to also express the same sentiment that it doesn't feel
good when we stood up here and supported a transmittal document
and then see the conceptual site plan change, and then -- especially
moving into this hearing there was no communication between the
applicants and the Florida Wildlife Federation. And I can't speak,
necessarily, on behalf of Audubon, but I don't believe with Audubon
either in advance of this hearing. That was disappointing. We did
really appreciate the coordinated effort in the previous transmittal
hearings.
I do want to point out that the Receiving and Sending Lands as
part of this project are part of a settlement agreement, and they are
not necessarily identified because of their environmental value. So
if you look at the overall -- overall aerial view of the site plan, you'll
notice that where the corridor is, where that new area that was put in
after the fact, is actually pretty wet. And so when you go through
Section 7, I do -- I would love for the county to be able to take a
stronger stance and be able to maintain a corridor over time, but I
believe that based on the ground cover and the opinions of the
agencies, that that would be a very difficult spot to put development
in if you were to go that route.
I do want to note, too, I heard today that the applicant that says
that the agencies don't support protecting the corridor. I have emails
that I've provided to the applicant, and I'm happy to provide to each
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and every one of you, from the FWC and from the U.S. Fish and
Wildlife Service, stating the value of protecting the corridor, and that
the previous site plan was preferred over the new version of the site
plan. So I'm not quite sure what agency folks the applicant was
speaking with. The ones that we've spoken to that are local to this
area and that know panther and bear issues certainly were supportive
of the corridor.
Just to reiterate from the transmittal hearing so you have a better
understanding of what FWF is really looking for, it's just to maintain
wildlife movement. There's wildlife moving through that area
regardless right now. We're not introducing wildlife through -- by
having this corridor in place.
When we spoke with the applicant previously, they had spoken
about maintaining the corridor, crossing structure on the internal
road. And then I also want to elevate, just to the county -- I know
this is not the direct obligation of just the applicant, but the
north/south segment of Immokalee Road is a hot spot for wildlife
mortality.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Go slow. You've been talking too
fast because you're inside your 30 seconds.
MS. BUDD: Sorry.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And poor Terri's over here
spinning.
MS. BUDD: So sorry.
The north/south segment of Immokalee Road is a hot spot for
wildlife mortality, panthers and bears. So if and when there's a road
widening, I think the county has an obligation to work with the
applicant, work with the agencies to implement wildlife crossing
structure on that north/south segment to limit wildlife mortality, not
just for the benefit of wildlife, but for human safety concerns as well.
So I think that this would be appropriate to come back with the
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PUD companion. Thank you so much.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And if I'm not mistaken, just on
that point, the village concept has a contribution of right-of-way
along Immokalee Road, if I'm not mistaken. Trinity? Trinity's
saying yes. There is a, I think, 100-foot swath on the old Immokalee
Road that goes up through there that is a contribution from the
developer, should they go forward with a village, which would allow
us to address some of those mortality issues that you're talking about.
MS. BUDD: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I had a question for her.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Oh, sure. I'm sorry. Meredith,
come on back. I missed Commissioner LoCastro. How could I do
that?
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Because you're always
ignoring me. No, I'm just kidding. And I'm okay with it. Wait till
I become Chair in January and see what happens.
Meredith, just so I have it clear -- because you and Brad both
came to see me, and I assume the other commissioners as well. And
these aren't my words, but to simplify the question, Brad saying the
bait and switch, the two different maps. What you contend is the
natural corridor that currently exists is used aggressively by wildlife.
The corridor that they're going to, quote, sort of replace it with is not
one that would have that same sort of use, it's in the wrong spot, or
maybe a variety of things.
Can you tell me the difference between the two and why -- you
know, I understand your contention that there was sort of a change,
and maybe you weren't privy to it. Like you said, there was no
communication is what you're saying. What's the difference
between the two? So it's not -- it's not a one-for-one in your mind?
It is a big difference in location, use, you know, advantageous, you
know, location to current wildlife?
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MS. BUDD: Yes. So the change that has come forth on
preliminary site plans, the one that was most recently submitted to the
county, it has a development pod and a large stormwater body of
water that would block the wildlife corridor. It would sever that
corridor. So basically what it would cause is basically a little
roundabout for wildlife.
So you're next to Bird Rookery Swamp. You're going to have
wildlife coming into this village footprint, but what ends up
happening is when there's no escape valve, right, there's nowhere for
them to go, they're just going to get stuck in this area of the Sending
Lands in the north of the property, and they're going to either cause
wildlife conflict within the village or in the immediate housing area
to the Corkscrew neighborhood to the north and have to cross
Immokalee Road again, which is another barrier for wildlife
movement.
That development pod and the water body that's now blocking it,
if that wasn't there, it actually provides a release valve for wildlife.
So as they come in, they can actually exit, enter into Horse Pen
Strand and move on north into northern conservation lands, and that's
the opinion of technical experts and the opinion of the agencies that
we have provided to the applicant.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: When you saw those changes
and you didn't hear from the applicant or they didn't talk with you
first, is your contention, did you -- and I know you can't speak for the
Audubon Society, but I'm sure you know the answer to this -- did
either of the environmental agencies reach out and say, wow, we just
got a new set of maps and, boy, this is a pretty big important, you
know, change for us. Let's talk about it. And if you did do that,
then you didn't hear back. There was no contact?
MS. BUDD: So if I remember correctly, I received the
comments from FWC when I reached out to them and the U.S. Fish
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and Wildlife Service and our technical experts, who's a wildlife
transportation ecologist at a university, and I provided that expertise
to the applicants. So sorry. I'm going so fast.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes, you are.
MS. BUDD: I provided that expertise to the applicants, and I
don't -- I think I received an email saying thank you, we'll look at it,
but I don't recall a follow-up conversation or any follow-up that, you
know, obviously led to any changes in the site plan.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Okay. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And just as a point of clarification,
they're not stuck in there. If for some reason this project doesn't
come forward with the village concept, the animals have been
traversing through there since time immemorial. And providing for
this corridor and the wildlife crossing does enhance the capacity to
get over into another residential area, though rurally densely
populated, it is Golden Gate Estates, and they get back up through
and into where you're talking about into the other environmentally
sensitive area, up into the CREWs and the sanctuary land. They've
still got to go back across the old Immokalee Road that's back up in
there as well. So just to clarify the point; they're not stuck.
MS. BUDD: No, they can always go back out into CREW.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That's correct, and/or they can go
back across Immokalee Road and do what we need to do as well.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: But your point, just as a
quick follow-up, is on the current plan, there are things that are built.
Like you said, maybe they're not stuck. That might be sort of an
overexaggeration. But you're contending that there's things that now
have been added in that corridor that would impede a natural flow of
the wildlife back and forth, correct?
MS. BUDD: That's correct, yes.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Because originally -- and that's
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where I had contention, argument -- or discussion is the original map
had a corridor through this, and it doesn't now, and there's a pond or a
lake structure, which is more prohibitive for the --
MS. BUDD: And the development in the latest iteration.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yeah.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct.
MS. BUDD: Thank you so much.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Matthew Schantz [sic].
He'll be followed by Marcela Zurita. Mr. Schantz has been ceded
three additional minutes from Gareth Rawcliffe.
Mr. Rawcliffe, can you raise your hand to indicate you're
present.
(Raises hand.)
MR. MILLER: There he is.
Matthew, you'll have six minutes.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Thank you so much, and good afternoon.
Are we still afternoon?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Still morning.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Good morning. It's Matthew Schwartz.
MR. MILLER: Sorry.
MR. SCHWARTZ: I'm going to -- I'm glad to hear all this
discussion on this property as wildlife habitat, wildlife corridor. I
tend to look at it as habitat. There's a reason why this property is so
important. And we've seen maps. I'm just going to do it off the top
of my head.
If you look at the nexus of public lands that surround this
particular property, you couldn't find a worse place from the
standpoint of protecting our Florida panther than developing this
property with 4,000 new homes. If you go to the west, we talked
about the CREW lands, Flint Pen Strand. Audubon's Corkscrew
Swamp right across the road, right across the north side of
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Immokalee Road. Go further north, there's the Lake Trafford, the
Caracara Preserve, the Pepper Ranch Preserve. Go to the south, the
Big Cypress National Preserve, Fakahatchee, Picayune, Florida
Panther National Wildlife Refuge, and look at where this property is.
It's located smack in the middle of this entire complex.
They moved through it. The property is right there in the core
habitat of the Florida panther, a habitat that is already at max. It's
already maxed out. The scientists agree to that, that it couldn't
handle any more panthers and, in fact, they're saying the habitat that
exists right now -- which still does. We haven't really eaten into
eastern Collier that much yet, but we're getting there. That's what on
the verge.
And, actually, let me talk about that for a minute, because this
property is coming in in the context of many, many other properties.
I actually made a list of what's coming. And we'll get to that real
quick. I have to -- this phone keeps dying on me. It actually keeps
closing on me.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's an iPhone.
MR. SCHWARTZ: It's an iPhone. It keeps -- I have to keep
waking it up. Now, where's my photos again?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Galaxy.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Come on. Come on. Don't do this.
There we go.
So look what's coming in. Eleven thousand homes have been
approved in Ave Maria. We've got about 4,000 left to go.
Rivergrass Village you've already approved 2,500 homes.
Longwater Village, 25 -- 2,600 homes. Bellmar Village, 2,750
homes. Sky Scale, that's the Hyde Park, 1,800 homes. Bright
Shore, that's on the -- that's on the way, 2,400 homes. By the way,
right next to this one, right across Immokalee Road from this one,
Immokalee Road Rural Village, 4,000 new homes, and the Town of
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Big Cypress town core, 1,382. So we're talking about a gigantic
total number of new homes so far. You've already approved the
Rural Lands Stewardship Area.
Every time I've come in here to talk about these issues, I try to
talk about to you about that the panther cannot handle -- all the other
wildlife in the area cannot handle this level of development. And
you say, well, we're only approving the county Comprehensive Plan.
Is the development consistent with the county's Comprehensive Plan?
The feds, they're the ones who are going to take care of the
concerns of the panther and the other wildlife. They're not here
today, nor, according to Mr. Sabo, did they even submit any
comments to you in response to this decision to transmit to DEO.
So you've had no input whatsoever from the feds on this project.
You're hearing environmentalists. You're hearing from me. I'm
also an environmentalist. But you actually did hear from the feds,
because they wrote a draft biological opinion on the 45,000 acres of
development that you folks -- that this commission has already
approved.
And what did they find? They found jeopardy. They found
jeopardy for the Florida panther. It can't handle that much
development. That includes the three villages, you know,
Rivergrass, et cetera, Bellmar, Longwater -- that the roadkill, 11 more
panthers per year in a population that could be as low as 120. It can't
handle 11 more dead panthers every year.
Habitat loss. This is habitat. It's not just a corridor. It's also
habitat. Fragmentation of the habitat.
And we already know the deer population in the area is crashing.
The deer population of the Big Cypress has crashed. So they found
jeopardy. They actually found that this project by itself would not
go through.
The developers, the folks who also come in here all the time
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who represented that HCP, the Eastern Collier Property Owners
Association, when they saw where Fish and Wildlife Service was
going with it, guess what they did? They dropped out, they quit,
before the finished document could be signed. They just quit. And
their reasons for quitting, they said, oh, you can't look at harm to the
panther. We only wanted a permit for harassment during
construction activities. It doesn't work that way.
When you build this development, you're putting thousands and
thousands of new cars on the road, on a road -- and people have
pointed that out. Immokalee Road, the west side of this project is
Primary Panther Habitat. The eastern side is Secondary Panther
Habitat. Eight panthers have been killed on Immokalee Road right
alongside this project already, and add 4,000 new homes.
So this is going to go -- because the procedure now is the feds
don't approve wetlands permits. Now those 404 permits that used to
go through the Army Corps of Engineers required the Fish and
Wildlife Service to respond now go directly to DEP. And DEP is
choosing actually to approve most of the stuff; however, they cannot
approve a project that will cause jeopardy to the panther. Whether
you approve this or not, the EPA, which oversees this, the federal
agency, is going to deny it because it will, combined with the other
developments, lead to jeopardy for an endangered species, our state
animal. So whatever you do here, know that that's coming down the
road.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you.
MR. SCHWARTZ: I don't know if you have any questions
about this. Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Your final speaker on this item is Marcela
Zurita. She's been ceded additional time from Michael Tanguay --
(Raises hand.)
MR. MILLER: -- and from Rae Ann Burton, who are both
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present. She will have nine minutes.
MS. ZURITA: All right. Good morning, Commissioners.
My name is Marcela Zurita. I reside in the Rural Golden Gate
Estates, east of the Immokalee Road Rural Village.
I heard the petitioner representing from the last Planning
Commission meeting stating as of right now it is not profitable, and
what we're doing right now, it's --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Speak slowly.
MS. ZURITA: -- making all the changes to make sure it is
profitable for the developers.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Young lady, go slow. I know you
have nine -- you have nine minutes, and she's trying to --
MS. ZURITA: Okay.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: She's trying to write down what
you're saying.
MS. ZURITA: Okay. I'm opposing to the transmittal for the
adoption, the amendment of the Growth Management for the
RFMUD district. Comprehensive Plans are intended to balance
future economic, social, physical, environmental, and fiscal
development in a county. The county needs to manage the impact of
growth for the benefit of current residents and future generations and
the environment.
There's no thoughtful analysis of the relationship between
environmental protection and economic (unintelligible) with these
changes. The RFMUD district was supposed to protect and
(unintelligible) existing natural resources, including habitat for listed
species, to retain a rural pasture or parklike appearance, and to direct
incompatible uses away from wetlands, upland habitat in order to
protect the water quality --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Nice and slow.
MS. ZURITA: -- minimizing the greenbelt or having none on
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the east side is -- just having some vegetation would not be
compatible with the surrounding areas like Rural Golden Gate
Estates. You're planning to have a road at the end of my street. We
can't imagine the noise pollution and contamination and taking the
rural character of the Golden Gate Estates.
I'm concerned that increasing density near these sensitive areas
like Corkscrew regional ecosystem watershed which [sic] provides
flood protection water filtration for the county's drinking water
supplies, reducing the littoral shelf planting from 30 percent to
15 percent of the wet detention pond surface area, it is another blow
to our drinking water and sensitive areas.
The whole purpose of the littoral zone is to purify the water and
maintain balanced aquatic ecosystems. All the scientific agencies
dealing with lakes agree that healthy lakes in Florida are covered
with 30 percent and 50 percent with aquatic plants.
As I recall from a presentation from the county staff with the
DEP, the reasoning to have 30 percent compared to other areas in the
county, it was because of the sensitive areas.
In regards to wildlife, panthers currently move through this area
into Golden Gate Estates into the preserve lands. Increasing more
residents within primary and secondary participating habitats, we can
(unintelligible) an increase in domestic animal (unintelligible) and
human/panther interactions.
THE COURT REPORTER: I'm sorry. I cannot understand
you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Slow, ma'am. Young -- ma'am --
MS. ZURITA: Sure, sorry. This may result in several
panthers being permanently removed from the population.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Stop one second. Stop. You
need to slow down.
MS. ZURITA: Okay.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And if you can -- if you cannot get
through your presentation, you can present the balance of it to her,
because you have it there in writing, and you're whipping through it.
I can barely understand what you're saying, let alone her writing
down what you're saying.
And Troy will restart the clock.
MS. ZURITA: Okay. We have to keep mind in [sic] the
current panther habitat, it's at capacity, and there's nowhere to
relegate these animals. We don't want the panther to become
restricted within the preserve boundaries, as this will not promote its
recovery. This is an active area for panthers. There's plenty of
telemetry points as well recorded, a total of 381 panthers dead within
25 miles of Immokalee Village site. About 70 percent were caused
by vehicle collision.
We ask the county to take into consideration to adopt new
policies that where there's a high percentage of panther vehicle
collisions occurs, wildlife crossings must be required on any new
development.
We can -- we can just depend on the state and federal to act, but
we should be -- we should be at the local level as well. It is for the
well-being and protection of our wildlife and for future generations
and the safety of citizens as well.
In regards to the gopher tortoise burrows found in the areas,
FWC determined that the project may affect the gopher tortoise.
Let's also put in consideration that gopher tortoise burrows provide
refuge for approximately 360 other species.
In regards to the affordable housing/workforce housing, some
changes needs to be made. Some of the current county employees
and police don't make that much money to qualify. Trying to
promote affordable housing/workforce housing in these areas that we
don't even have bus transportation, not to mention the lack of roads
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and poor conditions, overcrowded schools, that now we are bringing
portal [sic] units. Making all these changes only benefits developers
and will be a burden to taxpayers. We are still paying 1-cent penny
increase for another couple years. Some of the roads that is needed
for all these developments are not even funded yet.
What would happen if due to a hurricane or wildfire, residents
need to evacuate, and failing roads adding to new development's
density?
Golden Gate Estates residents, like myself, are concerned about
the impact of additional traffic, loss of rural way of life, wildlife
fatality, danger [sic] roads, and impacts of water resources,
decimation of rural character of Golden Gate Estates and surrounding
areas.
Impact fees is insufficient to mitigate the long-term cost.
FDOT analysis for asphalt demonstrates the cost of asphalt is
growing at 3 percent per year. Balanced future economics, social,
physical, environmental, and fiscal development of the area should
guide future decisions on any Growth Management Plan
maintenance.
Commissioner Penny Taylor, I quote you one on -- on the
interview back in 2021 when you, in a vote, supported for Rivergrass.
I don't have it here -- that -- one second. I mean, it was due to the
environment. It was mere concerns about their impact from fiscal to
environmental. This is the same thing that is going on in this area.
Commissioner Saunders, now you're part of the Golden Gate
Estates. You know, we do love our low density and the quiet
surroundings as well.
And I also have a few questions. I've been trying to get -- the
developer agreement contribution, we're only going to get to see if a
MPUD application is submitted, but when you look at the South
Florida Water Management permit that they have submitted as part of
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their documents, they already have it submitted there as a draft. So
it hasn't even come here. We haven't even seen what it is, but it's
already submitted as supporting documentation.
Regarding the package transmittal submitted to the DO [sic],
some things are removed, crossed, and one of them come to my
concern it's we're removing the specific manage [sic] practices of the
controlled insecticides used in golf courses and concern as an
example. 7/21/2011, DeLand, a group of 42 Volusia County
homeowners filed a lawsuit against over groundwater pollution.
They say the well water at the homes is contaminated with a
cancer-causing chemical. Homes with wells that tested positive
were closed on the east side of the golf area. Please keep in mind
the current community that depends on well water near the RFMUD
district.
We have on the DO some of the crossings, like I mentioned. It
also mentions the Rural Village should not be located any closer than
3.0 miles from another rural village. That's going to be removed,
from my understanding. There's another part that the green belt may
be concentrated to a greater degree in areas where it's necessary to
protect listed species habitat, including wetland and uplands provide
for a buffer from enhancing natural restorations or provide for
wealth. And there's certain things -- those are the things.
Also, I want to point out, lastly, that -- excuse me -- the residents
of District 5 still don't understand why Commissioner McDaniel is
still not recusing himself from voting. The Form AB memoranda
voting conflict doesn't -- doesn't say there's only conflict of interest if
they still own the land but states that as follows -- and I also, it's
112.3143, Florida Statutes. Any relationship, whether there's a
conflict of -- conflict of interest, a situation which regard for a private
interest tends to lead to disregard of public duty or interest.
And also on -- the Collier County ethics ordinance statement of
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policy states, an individual covered by this article should not use his
or her position as a public servant for unlawful gain or enrichment.
Avoid conduct that gives the appearance of impropriety in the
performance of his or her public duties, and not accept anything of
value the public servant knows or reasonably should have known that
it was given with the intent to reward or influence him or her in the
performance or nonperformance or of his or her duty.
And the reason why I'm bringing this, because even on the oath
that you made on 2020, which is very confusing, you're still listed in
the address that you no longer own. Another thing, too, when you
look at the county business licenses, there is no new license
registered for that location, but it's still open with your address, with
your information. It is not closed, and it's still -- you know, it's just
adding up. But those are the things that, you know, it was
questionable. And you're still going to have people coming in here
and questioning about it. And even on the meeting for 2019, they
ask about it, and we still don't have -- we don't understand why you're
still not recusing yourself from voting.
So I respectfully ask you -- for you to not vote and to recuse
yourself.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you. Now, having said all
that, we have a new weather update, and the storm has shifted south.
The surge is projected to be a little bit higher than what was
originally prophesized two hours ago this morning. So I -- I think
we can -- we're done with public speakers.
MR. MILLER: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We can close the public speaking
portion of this hearing at this particular stage.
How are you -- and I'm looking at the pleasure of my board
here. You know, this isn't a unilateral decision. I'm kind
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of -- I -- what do you think, Burt?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Well, I think we can
certainly wrap this up --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- and then if we need to
adjourn, that's fine. But I think we can wrap this up here in just a
couple minutes.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Well, let's go ahead and
wrap this up, and then we'll go on from there.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll wait to hear what
Mr. Yovanovich has to say.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Just real briefly. I just want to clarify
some things that might have been said by Brad and Meredith, because
I've known them for a long time, and we've had communication.
I don't think they meant to say -- maybe they did mean to say
there was a bait and switch and there were no communications. Was
there a change in the plans? Absolutely. Did we meet with them
about those changes in the plans? Absolutely. Do we agree to
disagree with what the technical data says? Absolutely. And do
they have the right to withdraw their support for the proposed
amendment because we've made changes? Absolutely.
But I don't want the record to reflect there have not been
communications since the change in the master plan has occurred.
So I just wanted to get that on the record.
With that, we're hopeful that you will adopt the proposed
changes because it does allow for the potential of a village and
further discussion with regard to the wildlife corridor.
And with that, that's our request.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I know I've closed the public
hearing, but there was a lady that came up to me in the back. Did
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she not fill out a speaker form? And she has a petition. And I'm
not -- I've closed the public hearing, but I know you're here, and
you've been sitting -- please come forward and at least turn in your
petition, if you would, please, to our court reporter.
MR. MILLER: I think it's on Item 11A.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's on a separate item? Is it on
this item, or is it another item? It's on another item.
MR. MILLER: Another item.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: My bad. Forgive me. I thought
you were wanting to speak on this.
So we have closed the public hearing on this particular item.
So, Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I've been skeptical from time to time on some of the villages.
As a matter of fact, on the Rivergrass, I think that was mentioned, I
voted against that when it came forward because I wanted the
property owners to work out some of the problems that -- and I think
they did -- that were addressed by, at that time, I think it was the
Conservancy.
I'm going to make a motion to approve this with some
conditions and with a statement of clarification as well. I'm going to
make that motion because I think in this particular instance the
village concept is better than simply having development under the
LDC. And I know there's a lot of pressure to develop out individual
lots, five-acre lots, two-and-a-half acre lots, a tremendous amount of
development going out there, and I think that's more destructive of
habitat than having these units clustered in this type of development.
But the Planning Commission approved this basically with five
conditions. I'm going to read those and indicate that my motion is
conditioned on these conditions and that I will not vote to approve
this when it comes back if the wildlife corridor is not addressed. So
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you need four votes now, and you need four votes then. I don't
know when you'll come back, and I don't know if I'll still be here at
that time, but if I am, I'm letting you know that I won't support this if
it's not addressed properly.
The first one is that the MPUDs, if submitted, a DCA must be
provided to demonstrate acceptable mitigation. If the MPUD is
submitted, details for buff areas are required. If an MPUD is
submitted, the location of the 400 affordable units is required.
The applicant -- and the fourth one, the applicant must address
concerns from the Florida Wildlife Federation, and I want to add to
that "and Florida Audubon" regarding path and crossings and wildlife
conflicts at the time of rezoning or platting. So that's the -- that's the
issue that we're talking about in terms of the wildlife corridor.
The fifth one, staff recommended text changes to the proposed
CCME Growth Management Plan amendment language stipulating a
PUD rezone or LDC amendment. I'm not sure exactly what that
means. It may be Mr. Bosi can explain that. I can eliminate that
from the motion if it's language that doesn't make a whole lot of sense
here, but that was a condition of the Planning Commission.
Mr. Bosi, is that language that can be clarified here a little bit?
MR. YOVANOVICH: And, Mr. Saunders, if I can, can I ask
you a clarifying question on the stipulations? Maybe before he pulls
it up. The stipulation with regard to the plat deals with a PUD
rezone, not a plat under the current LDC, correct?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Correct, yes.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Okay. I just wanted to make sure.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And, Mr. Bosi, my question
is, just for clarification, what is No. 5 trying to address? And can we
clarify that?
MR. BOSI: Thank you. Mike Bosi, Zoning director.
And you're right, that's a bit of a redundancy. That could be
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eliminated without any material effect upon what's being proposed.
It was just the requirement that either of a plat or a PUD would be --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: The motion that I'm making,
then, with those four conditions, you understand that, and that's
workable? Mr. Bosi, the motion with the four conditions is
workable for you to work that out once this comes back?
MR. BOSI: Absolutely, sir.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Five conditions.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: He's eliminating --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'm going to eliminate the
fifth condition and make that motion, again, with the admonition that
if things --
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I have a question.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- are not worked out
properly on the wildlife corridor, I won't be voting to approve this
later on.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I think there's two of us on that
one.
Commissioner Solis -- are you good -- by the way, there's a
motion been made with those stipulations.
Commissioner Solis.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Second, I'll second.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And it's been seconded.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Mr. Bosi, I just want to make sure
that -- okay. If we -- if this is denied, then the applicant can move
forward under the existing land development regulations, plat it, start
building houses, no requirement for a corridor, and no requirement
for any contribution for the road?
MR. BOSI: No requirement for any contributions to the road.
The road is dedicated. I mean, the acquisition process will have to
go through the normal process.
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The corridor, that's up to the feds.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay.
MR. BOSI: They may impose it.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: But it's up to the feds? We have
no control over that?
MR. BOSI: No control over that. If they move forward under
the LDC, what they would have to do before they could move
forward is secure enough TDRs, but that would be the -- you know,
the only additional, you know, requirement.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: The alternative is if it's approved,
then that opens up the possibility for a village or development under
the Land Development Code as it is now?
MR. BOSI: Correct, correct. They could --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And if there's a village, then there's
a requirement to build the road and a whole bunch of other things?
MR. BOSI: Correct.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Commercial and other things?
MR. BOSI: Correct.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And they would have to come back
for a PUD, which then the Board -- I think there's at least three, it
sounds like, would -- at least three that would require the corridor,
right?
MR. BOSI: Correct.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: So -- okay. I mean, this is not that
difficult of an issue.
MR. BOSI: No. It's if you don't approve, they have one
option. If you approve, they have two options, and that second
option is something I think that is more favorable to the county --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right.
MR. BOSI: -- if that would come about.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: If we -- if we take away the
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options, then we just have one bad option, in my opinion.
MR. BOSI: I'm not sure if it's -- there's some benefits with that
option. Like you said, it would tremendously advance --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: It's the less beneficial option.
MR. BOSI: Less beneficial.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I wouldn't call it a bad option. It
just is.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You good?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'm good.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Mr. Schwartz spoke very
eloquently and passionately about wildlife at the podium, and he
concluded his comments by saying, if we went through
with -- Schwartz, right, sir?
He concluded his comments by saying if we went forward with
the village, that we're going to have all kinds of legal issues with the
EPA and other agencies that are going to come at us because of, you
know, panther -- infringing on panther habitat. What's your
comment to that? Because I don't have, you know, expertise or
knowledge in there. But is that a concern? Is that -- that is
possible? I mean, he obviously felt pretty definite about it.
MR. BOSI: The Growth Management Plan defers to the state
and feds when we're talking about listed species. We don't have the
staff to have that level of technical expertise. We defer to the feds
and the state related to these issues.
Their conclusions and their ultimate requirements of a
development is going to be what that is regardless of what our
individual environmental staff may have a perspective on.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Right.
MR. BOSI: But they will impose what they feel is appropriate
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based upon the conditions that are being suggested.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Right. So that is -- so what
he said isn't untrue. They could challenge anything, any type of
development that we have?
MR. BOSI: If what he was saying is true, I would imagine that
the permit requirements from U.S. Fish and Wildlife will be rather
demanding.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: All right. Okay. Thank
you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes. I wondered if the motion
maker would consider adding to his stipulations what was brought
forward by our County Attorney in terms of if the road goes forward
there is a reserving of the cost of the land if we, indeed, have to buy it
with today's prices, not three years or four years from now.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I guess I would have to ask
the County Attorney what our normal course of business is in terms
of dealing with that type of issue. I understand the valuation today
versus the valuation a year from now which, quite frankly, the
valuation may be less.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I was just going to say. I mean, if
we go picking a price today...
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: What do we normally --
MR. KLATZKOW: Historically, we've tried to reserve the
right-of-way at today's costs to the extent that we can.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Historically, my recollection is that
we have a contract price or a price per acre that's delineated in the
agreement, not at market.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Mr. Yovanovich, what's
your -- I don't have an issue with doing that, Commissioner Taylor,
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but --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No. I'm curious, is there -- is
there a set price within the contract --
MR. YOVANOVICH: No.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: -- for this land?
MR. YOVANOVICH: What -- the way the DCA is currently
drafted -- and most of the DCAs I've ever worked on says, should we
come forward with a developer agreement, it is, you get an appraisal,
and the appraisal is based upon prior to the entitlement value. That's
what the DCA would say if we came forward with the PUD, and I
think that the typical process, and I think we should stick with that as
the typical instead of now trying to impose a price if we go under the
rights we currently have, which is to develop under the LDC. I
prefer we go with typical operating procedure.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Ms. Scott, if you could agree
or disagree with what Mr. Yovanovich just said.
MS. SCOTT: Once again, for the public record, Trinity Scott,
Transportation Management Services department head.
Yes, that's typically what we do is that we reserve. We will do
two appraisals for the pre-entitled public record value, so before PUD
would -- looking at that date before, and then we average those, and
then that's typically -- now, that's typically what we do. We have in
other instances worked out a per-acre cost ahead of time. We have
not had those conversations with this applicant at this time.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Well, Commissioner Taylor,
I think I'd like to keep it kind of the way it is, what our normal
procedure is. When they come back for the PUD, if there is a -- we
should have that price, I guess, figured out at that point. And if we
don't, then, you know, you may not get your votes, so...
MR. YOVANOVICH: Commissioner, we've done it both
ways. We've tried to agree on a price. Sometimes staff says they
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want to go get two appraisals, or they'll take, you know, here's what
we're getting ready to sell it for. Use that number. But we've done
it both ways, and we can try to work out a price in the DCA.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: All right. Then I'll just keep
it the way it is, and we'll --
MR. YOVANOVICH: Appreciate that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I know we've got a motion
and a second on the floor here, but I'm also hearing a bunch of things
that -- I mean, if this was a normal meeting and we weren't -- and I
don't feel like we're artificially rushed. But there's a lot happening
right now outside this building that has changed, the hurricane.
I just throw this out there to get your comments. Are we at a
point where we feel confident for a vote or very close to it, or have
we heard a bunch of things that have caused us to pause and question
and want to talk more to the environmental folks and really get the
details from -- I mean, this is a huge project.
So, I mean, I feel like I've gotten my questions answered, but I'm
just curious from my colleagues if this one is heavy and big enough
that we're sitting here making a big, major decision and, you know,
right now we've got, you know, hundreds of thousands of people in
Collier County right now that are doing a whole lot because the storm
has actually shifted. Thoughts?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: My thoughts?
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And I haven't spoken yet. My
thoughts are Commissioner Saunders is right on track with what it is
we're doing. I don't feel rushed. And folks need to hear this. If we
don't approve this project, they don't have an opportunity to do the
village, and the village comes with a PUD where we have to talk
about the wildlife crossing, we have to talk about the wildlife
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corridor, we have to talk about the restoration that's going to go on in
the -- and additional habitat creation that's going to go on the
northwest, and we have a commercial of up to 350,000 square feet to
help support the community. That's infrastructure that comes to help
to support. We have 400 affordable housing units, we have two
lanes of the road -- of the new Immokalee Road, as I continue to -- as
I say that, and then 100-foot right-of-way donation over on the old
Immokalee Road where we can have a discussion about wildlife
crossings when this section of road is revamped.
So it's far better for our community. Yes, we have more
density. They have the potential of doing more density if they do the
village, but if they don't, then all of those benefits, in fact, go away.
So it's been moved and seconded that we approve the project
with the stipulations as stated by Commissioner Saunders. Any
other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed, same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Now, it's 12 o'clock. I suggest
we're not going to take a lunch break here, ladies and gentlemen.
There are circumstances that are going on out there with regard
to this storm that I want folks to pay attention to as we're going here,
so...
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Mr. Chair, I think we need to
be -- given the fact that there is a Category 3 to 4 out there, I think we
need to be very, very specific about what these changing
circumstances are and how it affects us in Collier County.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well -- and I'm -- we're not going
to bring Dan Summers in for another report.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'm not suggesting that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I think we need to -- I think we
need to probably go ahead and adjourn.
Item #10C – Added
RESOLUTION 2022-158: APPOINTING RANDY SPARRAZZA
AS A MEMBER TO THE COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING
COMMISSION, REPRESENTING COMMISSION DISTRICT 1 -
MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS;
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LOCASTRO – ADOPTED
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Well, there's one thing that is
time-sensitive on here, and it's a yes or no, and it's 10C. It's
appointing somebody to the --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I make a motion to approve
10C, the appointment --
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- of Mr. Sparrazza.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yes.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Second that.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: And I thank all of you for
advertising it. We did get a lot of applications. I had three finalists
and interviewed all three for well over an hour. He's an outstanding
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candidate, and we want him to be able to attend the next meeting, so
that one's time-sensitive.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: With all due respect -- and I
might have gotten this completely backwards. This -- your district
on the Planning Commission is the one that has vacancy; is that
correct?
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I missed that.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: There's somebody in that
seat, but she expires, and then she also got caught in the district map
change. She's now in District 4, and she doesn't qualify for the
District 1 seat.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Her term expires.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I'm sorry. Yes, her term
expires. Yeah, she's very healthy.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I'm going to say --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I make a --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yeah, let's -- you don't have to
make a motion.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: There's a motion and a
second to do that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Motion and it's seconded. I'm
going to call for the vote. Is there any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed, same sign, same sound.
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(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And then we have a gentleman
who's been here.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Do you want to hear the -- do you
want to hear the Tigertail Beach item now or continue it? Who
made the motion to do that?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I would like to make a motion that
we adjourn this meeting.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I second.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All right. I think it's prudent for
us to just go ahead and adjourn, just so you know. I know there's
folks that have been here all morning long, and I have to apologize,
but the storm has shifted. Just so you know, the storm has shifted.
So go home and take care of your things that you need to do. We'll
see you at our meeting in -- the second meeting.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Fourteen days.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: With that, we're adjourned.
****Commissioner Taylor moved, seconded by Commissioner
LoCastro and carried that the following items under the Consent and
Summary Agendas be approved and/or adopted****
Item #16A1
THE RELEASE OF A CODE ENFORCEMENT LIEN, WITH AN
ACCRUED VALUE OF $294,059.77 FOR PAYMENT OF $29,500,
IN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION TITLED BOARD OF
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS V. UNION ROAD LLC., CODE
ENFORCEMENT BOARD CASE NO. CEPM20160004343,
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RELATING TO PROPERTY LOCATED AT 12400 UNION RD.
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA
Item #16A2
THE CLERK OF COURTS TO RELEASE A PERFORMANCE
BOND IN THE AMOUNT OF $518,260, AND A PERFORMANCE
BOND IN THE AMOUNT OF $342,880 WHICH WERE POSTED
AS A GUARANTY FOR EXCAVATION PERMIT NUMBERS
59.932-6, PL20150001148; 59.932.7, PL20150001152; 59.932.10,
PL20170000767, FOR WORK ASSOCIATED WITH ORANGE
BLOSSOM RANCH
Item #16A3
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE POTABLE WATER AND
SEWER FACILITIES, AND ACCEPT THE CONVEYANCE OF
THE POTABLE WATER AND SEWER FACILITIES FOR
HALDEMAN LUXURY APARTMENTS, PL20210002656
Item #16A4
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE POTABLE WATER AND
SEWER FACILITIES FOR BRIARWOOD APARTMENTS MULTI
FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, PL20200000999, ACCEPT THE
CONVEYANCE OF A PORTION OF THE POTABLE WATER
AND SEWER FACILITIES, AND AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY
MANAGER, OR DESIGNEE, TO RELEASE THE UTILITIES
PERFORMANCE SECURITY (UPS) AND FINAL OBLIGATION
BOND IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF $67,262.72 TO THE
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PROJECT ENGINEER OR THE DEVELOPER’S DESIGNATED
AGENT
Item #16A5
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE POTABLE WATER AND
SEWER FACILITIES, AND ACCEPT THE CONVEYANCE OF
THE POTABLE WATER AND SEWER FACILITIES FOR
TAMARINDO, PL20220000962
Item #16A6
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE WATER FACILITIES, AND
ACCEPT THE CONVEYANCE OF THE WATER FACILITIES
FOR CARMAN DRIVE, PL20220003325
Item #16A7
FINAL ACCEPTANCE AND ACCEPT THE CONVEYANCE OF
THE POTABLE WATER AND SEWER UTILITY FACILITIES
FOR ESPLANADE BY THE ISLANDS – ZENO WAY,
PL20200000517 AND AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MANAGER,
OR DESIGNEE, TO RELEASE THE FINAL OBLIGATION BOND
IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF $4,000 TO THE PROJECT
ENGINEER OR THE DEVELOPER’S DESIGNATED AGENT
Item #16A8
RECORDING THE FINAL PLAT OF HACIENDA NORTH –
PHASE 1 (APPLICATION NUMBER PL20210001119)
APPROVAL OF THE STANDARD FORM CONSTRUCTION
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AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AND APPROVAL OF THE
PERFORMANCE SECURITY IN THE AMOUNT OF
$6,996,940.05
Item #16A9
EXECUTE THE ATTACHED AMENDMENT TO DEVELOPER
AGREEMENT TO MODIFY THE TIMEFRAMES OF TWO
COMMITMENTS
Item #16A10
RESOLUTION 2022-147A: A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING THE
COUNTY’S APPLICATIONS TO FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION FOR LONG RANGE
BUDGET PLAN REQUESTS FOR BEACH RENOURISHMENT
PROJECTS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023/2024 AND MAKE A
FINDING THAT THESE PROJECTS PROMOTE TOURISM. THIS
ACTION MAINTAINS THE COUNTY'S ELIGIBILITY FOR
STATE COST SHARE FUNDING FOR FUTURE
RENOURISHMENT PROJECTS
Item #16A11
APPROVE THE FISCAL YEAR 2022/2023 CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PLAN OF THE BIG CYPRESS BASIN, A PART
OF THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT
(SFWMD)
Item #16A12
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DIRECT STAFF TO ADVERTISE AND BRING BACK FOR A
PUBLIC HEARING AT THE OCTOBER 25, 2022, BOARD
MEETING, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE, TO CHANGE THE MAILED
NOTIFICATION AREA FOR VARIANCE APPLICATIONS FOR
PROPERTIES LOCATED IN BOTH THE RURAL AND URBAN
GOLDEN GATE ESTATES SUB-ELEMENTS OF THE GOLDEN
GATE AREA MASTER PLAN
Item #16A13
RESOLUTION 2022-148: A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE
TEMPORARY CLOSING OF A PORTION OF STATE ROAD 29
AND DETERMINING THAT THE CLOSURE IS NECESSARY
FOR THE CHRISTMAS AROUND THE WORLD PARADE &
SNOW FESTIVAL HOSTED BY THE IMMOKALEE CHAMBER
OF COMMERCE. THIS RECOMMENDATION IS TO FULFILL
A REQUIREMENT OF THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION (FDOT) TEMPORARY ROAD CLOSURE
PERMIT APPLICATION. THIS EVENT HAS BEEN HOSTED
BY THE IMMOKALEE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FOR OVER
TWENTY-FIVE (25) YEARS. THIS YEAR THE EVENT WILL
TAKE PLACE ON SATURDAY, DECEMBER 10, 2022, FROM
4:30PM TO 10PM
Item #16A14
THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN NON-STANDARD AGREEMENT
NO. 22-037-NS FOR "ESRI GIS MAPPING SOFTWARE &
MAINTENANCE" OF GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEM
("GIS") SOLUTIONS WITH ENVIRONMENTAL SYSTEMS
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RESEARCH INSTITUTE INCORPORATED (ESRI), APPROVE
THE INCREASE OF EXPENDITURES UNDER THE SOLE
SOURCE WAIVER IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $400,000
PER FISCAL YEAR, AND AUTHORIZE PAYMENT OF THE
ANNUAL MAINTENANCE FEES FOR THE PERIOD FROM
OCTOBER 2, 2022, THROUGH OCTOBER 1, 2023, IN THE
TOTAL AMOUNT OF $181,294.41
Item #16A15
REVIEW OPTIONS TO INCREASE PUBLIC AWARENESS FOR
NEW SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND SITE DEVELOPMENT
PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATIONS
Item#16B1
AUTHORIZE STAFF TO ADVERTISE AN ORDINANCE
AMENDING ORDINANCE 97-82, AS AMENDED, WHICH
CREATED THE BAYSHORE BEAUTIFICATION MUNICIPAL
SERVICE TAXING UNIT, TO EXPAND THE DISTRICT
BOUNDARY TO INCLUDE APPROXIMATELY 62 ACRES
Item #16C1
RESOLUTION 2022-148A: ADOPT THE FY2023 FEE
SCHEDULES ESTABLISHED IN THE ANNUAL RATE
RESOLUTION FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL
COLLECTION AND DISPOSAL OF SOLID WASTE AND
RECYCLING AT COLLIER COUNTY SOLID WASTE
FACILITIES, INCLUDING THE LANDFILL, TRANSFER
STATION, AND RECYCLING DROP-OFF CENTERS. THE
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FY2023 RATE RESOLUTION IMPLEMENTS THE 2021 SOLID
WASTE RATE STUDY AND FINANCIAL FORECAST REPORT
APPROVED ON JULY 13, 2021 - AGENDA ITEM 11.F, AS
WELL AS ESCALATION OF CERTAIN FRANCHISEE FEES IN
ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR CONTRACTS, WITH NO OTHER
FISCAL IMPACTS TO PREVIOUS BOARD ADOPTED
RESOLUTIONS
Item #16C2 – Continued to the October 11, 2022 BCC Meeting
RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVAL SEVERAL
AGREEMENTS THAT ALLOW GULF COAST JUNIOR GOLF
TOUR, INC. D/B/A THE FIRST TEE OF NAPLES/COLLIER, A
FLORIDA NOT FOR PROFIT CORPORATION, (HEREINAFTER
“FIRST TEE”) TO SUBLEASE, CONSTRUCT AND OPERATE
THE FIRST TEE – NAPLES/COLLIER LEARNING CENTER
(“LEARNING CENTER”) ON A PORTION OF THE GOLDEN
GATE GOLF COURSE PROPERTY WITH A TERM OF 99-
YEARS, AND A RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL IN
FURTHERANCE OF THE INTENT OF THE BOARD APPROVED
COLLIER COUNTY STANDARD FORM LONG-TERM LEASE
AND OPERATING AGREEMENT WITH CC BSG NAPLES, LLC
(“BIGSHOTS”)
Item #16C3
DIRECT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO PURSUE ANY AND
ALL LEGAL ACTION NECESSARY TO QUIET TITLE (CLEAR
TITLE DEFECTS) FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 12323 UNION
ROAD, FORMER LOCATION OF THE PORT OF THE ISLANDS
MARINA HOTEL, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO,
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FILING A CIVIL ACTION IN CIRCUIT COURT
Item #16C4
FIRST AMENDMENT TO MASTER SALES AGREEMENT # 18-
7301-NS WITH ITRON, INC., TO MIGRATE THE AUTOMATED
METER READING SYSTEM PERTAINING TO THE UTILITY
SYSTEM ACQUIRED FROM THE FLORIDA GOVERNMENT
UTILITY AUTHORITY (“FGUA”) TO ITRON’S NEW TEMETRA
WEB-BASED INTERFACE PLATFORM AND AUTHORIZE THE
CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE AMENDMENT
Item #16C5
PAYMENT OF OUTSTANDING INVOICES FOR PAYMENT
APPLICATION NO. 30 FOR THE MONTHS OF JUNE, JULY,
AND AUGUST 2022, FOR WORK PERFORMED UNDER
AGREEMENT NO. 19-7615-ST, BY ASTRA CONSTRUCTION
SERVICES, LLC (“ASTRA”), TO CONSTRUCT THE BIG
CORKSCREW ISLAND REGIONAL PARK PHASE I (THE
“PROJECT’) UNDER THE THEORY OF QUANTUM MERUIT,
AND (2) TO APPROVE TWO SEPARATE ADMINISTRATIVE
CHANGE ORDERS TO Q. GRADY MINOR & ASSOCIATES
AND WOOD ENVIRONMENTAL & INFRASTRUCTURE
SOLUTIONS, INC., FOR TIME AND COMPENSATION FOR
CONSULTING WORK ON THE PROJECT
Item #16C6
PROJECT UPDATE TO NCWRF HEADWORKS PROJECT NO.
70149 CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGN WITH AECOM
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TECHNICAL SERVICES (“AECOM”) THROUGH AGREEMENT
NO. 20-7722-NS
Item #16C7
PROJECT UPDATE ON THE COLLIER COUNTY SPORT
COMPLEX BEING BUILT UNDER AGREEMENT NO. 17-7198,
WITH MANHATTAN CONSTRUCTION (FLORIDA), INC.,
(PROJECT 50156)
Item #16D1
CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE SECOND AMENDMENT BETWEEN
COLLIER COUNTY AND COLLIER HEALTH SERVICES, INC.,
D/B/A HEALTHCARE NETWORK FOR THE
ADMINISTRATION OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
BLOCK GRANT – COVID PROGRAM WITH A NET $0 IMPACT.
(GRANT FUND 705)
Item #16D2
CHAIRMAN TO SIGN TWO (2) MORTGAGE SATISFACTIONS
FOR THE STATE HOUSING INITIATIVES PARTNERSHIP
LOAN PROGRAM IN THE AMOUNT OF $23,000 AND
APPROVE THE ASSOCIATED BUDGET AMENDMENT TO
APPROPRIATE REPAYMENT AMOUNT TOTALING $23,000
Item #16D3
CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE
SUBRECIPIENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN RURAL
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NEIGHBORHOODS, INCORPORATED, AND COLLIER
COUNTY FOR THE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES CENTER IN
IMMOKALEE (HOUSING GRANT FUND 705)
Item #16D4
CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE
SUBRECIPIENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COLLIER
COUNTY HOUSING AUTHORITY AND COLLIER COUNTY
UNDER THE U.S. HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIPS PROGRAM TO
INCREASE THE AGREEMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $6,544.78,
UPDATE LANGUAGE, AND REVISE THE PERIOD OF
PERFORMANCE
Item #16D5
RESOLUTION 2022-149: AUTHORIZING CONTINUED
PARTICIPATION IN THE LOCAL PROVIDER PARTICIPATION
FUND FOR THE DIRECTED PAYMENT PROGRAM AND
COMMENCE PARTICIPATION IN THE GRADUATE MEDICAL
EDUCATION PROGRAM. THESE PROGRAMS WILL BE
SOLELY FUNDED BY ASSESSMENTS ON COLLIER COUNTY
HOSPITALS OWNED PROPERTY OR PROPERTY USED AS A
HOSPITAL NOT TO EXCEED $5,578,033. AUTHORIZE THE
COUNTY MANAGER TO SIGN LETTER OF AGREEMENT IN
AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED THE TOTAL OF $7,231,349
WITH THE AGENCY FOR HEALTH CARE ADMINISTRATION
AND PROVIDE NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENTS
Item #16D6
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CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE
U.S. HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT EMERGENCY
SOLUTIONS GRANTS PROGRAM SUBRECIPIENT
AGREEMENT BETWEEN YOUTH HAVEN, INC., AND
COLLIER COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Item #16D7 – Moved to Item #11E (During Agenda Changes by
Commissioner Saunders)
Item #16D8
AUTHORIZING THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE THE FIRST
AMENDMENT TO THE CAMP HOST VOLUNTEER
AGREEMENT FOR VOLUNTEERS TO RESIDE ON THE
PROPERTY AT THE CONSERVATION COLLIER PEPPER
RANCH PRESERVE DURING THE COURSE OF THEIR
VOLUNTEER SERVICE STARTING ON OCTOBER 1, 2022
Item #16D9
THE SUBMITTAL OF THE FY22-23 STATE AID TO LIBRARIES
GRANT, 2023-2027 STRATEGIC PLAN, AND AUTHORIZE THE
CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE GRANT AGREEMENT #23-ST-08
AND ALL CERTIFICATIONS REQUIRED FOR THE
SUBMISSION OF THE GRANT APPLICATION TO THE
FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF STATE, DIVISION OF LIBRARY
AND INFORMATION SERVICES FOR FUNDING IN THE
ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF $165,389
Item #16D10
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TERMINATION OF FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
AGENCY HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT PROGRAM SUB-
RECIPIENT AGREEMENTS H0371 (IMMOKALEE SPORTS
COMPLEX) AND H0390 (NORTH COLLIER REGIONAL PARK)
BETWEEN COLLIER COUNTY AND THE FLORIDA DIVISION
OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND AUTHORIZE THE
BUDGET AMENDMENTS IN THE AMOUNT OF $146,582.27
FOR THE MSTU GENERAL FUND (111) AND GENERAL FUND
(001)
Item #16D11
FIFTH AMENDMENT TO AGREEMENT #19-7537
“AFFORDABLE HOUSING MARKETING OUTREACH
CAMPAIGN” WITH QUEST CORPORATION OF AMERICA,
INC., ADDING $187,653.62 TO SUPPORT ADDITIONAL
MARKETING AND OUTREACH SERVICE TO SUPPORT THE
EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND AMERICAN
RECOVERY PROGRAM ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS,
COLLECTIVELY THE COLLIER COUNTY COMMUNITY
ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN
TO SIGN THE AMENDMENT
Item #16D12
LOW INCOME POOL (LIP) LETTER OF AGREEMENT WITH
THE AGENCY FOR HEALTH CARE ADMINISTRATIO (ACHA),
IN THE AMOUNT OF $396,376.99 AND A COMPANION
AGREEMENT WITH COLLIER HEALTH SERVICES, INC.,
(CHSI) TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEDICAID LOW INCOME
POOL PROGRAM, GENERATING $595,805.72 IN FEDERAL
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MATCHING FUNDS THAT WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL
HEALTH SERVICES FOR THE CITIZENS OF COLLIER
COUNTY; TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MANAGER OR
DESIGNEE TO SIGN AND EXECUTE THE AHCA LIP LETTER
OF AGREEMENT; AND TO AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO
EXECUTE THE COMPANION AGREEMENT WITH CHSI
Item #16E1
RESOLUTION 2022-150: NEW FY2023 PAY AND
CLASSIFICATION PLANS FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER’S
AGENCY, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY’S OFFICE AND NON-
UNION EMS EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 8, 2022; TO PROVIDE PAY
ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED TO MINIMUM AND VARYING
COST-OF-LIVING (COLA) INCREASES TO ADDRESS
MARKET CONDITIONS; TO PROVIDE CONTINUED
AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CREATION OF NEW
CLASSIFICATIONS, MODIFICATION AND/OR DELETION OF
CLASSIFICATIONS AND ASSIGNMENT OF PAY RANGES
FROM THE PROPOSED PAY AND CLASSIFICATION PLANS,
USING A POINT-FACTOR JOB EVALUATION SYSTEM AND
MARKET DATA; TO PROVIDE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE
CONTINUED USE OF THE APPROVED FY2022 PAY AND
CLASSIFICATION PLANS THROUGH OCTOBER 7, 2022 AND
TO AUTHORIZE ANY NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENTS
IN FY2023
Item #16E2
PURCHASE OF FLOOD INSURANCE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023
IN THE ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF $499,534
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Item #16E3
PURCHASE OF LIABILITY, AUTOMOBILE, CYBER AND
OTHER MISCELLANEOUS INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR FY
2023 IN THE ESTIMATED PREMIUM OF $932,224
Item #16E4
PURCHASE OF EXCESS WORKERS’ COMPENSATION
INSURANCE FOR FY 2023 WITH ARCH INSURANCE
COMPANY IN THE ESTIMATED ANNUAL AMOUNT OF
$206,333
Item #16E5
ANNUAL CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND
NECESSITY (COPCN) FOR AMBITRANS MEDICAL
TRANSPORT, INC., TO PROVIDE CLASS 2 ADVANCED LIFE
SUPPORT (ALS) INTER-FACILITY TRANSPORT AMBULANCE
SERVICE FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR
Item #16E6
CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY
FOR ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT (ALS) NON-TRANSPORT
SERVICES FOR ONE YEAR TO THE GREATER NAPLES FIRE
RESCUE DISTRICT CONCURRENT WITH THE APPROVAL OF
AN ACCOMPANYING INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT (ILA) AND
AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE THE ILA,
PERMIT, AND CERTIFICATE
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Item #16E7
RESIOLUTION 2022-151: AUTHORIZING
INTERGOVERNMENTAL TRANSFERS (IGT) BETWEEN
COLLIER COUNTY EMS AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA
AGENCY FOR HEALTH CARE ADMINISTRATION (AHCA)
FOR FY23
Item #16E8
$500,000 BUDGET AMENDMENT WITHIN EMS FUND (490)
REALLOCATING RESERVES TO OPERATING EXPENSES
Item #16E9
RESOLUTION 2022-152: COLLIER COUNTY EMERGENCY
MEDICAL SERVICES TO REINSTATE A FEE SCHEDULE FOR
SPECIALTY CARE TRANSPORTS (SCT)
Item #16E10
THE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT PREPARED BY THE
PROCUREMENT SERVICES DIVISION FOR DISPOSAL OF
PROPERTY AND NOTIFICATION OF REVENUE
DISBURSEMENT
Item #16E11
ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS PREPARED BY THE
PROCUREMENT SERVICES DIVISION FOR CHANGE ORDERS
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AND OTHER CONTRACTUAL MODIFICATIONS REQUIRING
BOARD APPROVAL
Item #16F1
AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN A ONE-YEAR
EXTENSION TO THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING
BETWEEN THE COLLIER COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS AND THE EARLY LEARNING COALITION
OF SOUTHWEST FLORIDA INC., TO PROVIDE LOCAL
MATCH FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF $75,000 IN FISCAL
YEAR 2023
Item #16F2
RESOLUTION 2022-153: AMENDMENTS (APPROPRIATING
GRANTS, DONATIONS, CONTRIBUTIONS, OR INSURANCE
PROCEEDS) TO THE FY21-22 ADOPTED BUDGET
Item #16F3
FOURTH AMENDED AND RESTATED INTERLOCAL
AGREEMENT FOR THE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA JOB
TRAINING CONSORTIUM
Item #16F4
CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE TWELFTH AMENDMENT TO THE
AGREEMENT FOR MEDICAL EXAMINER SERVICES
(AGREEMENT NO. 11-5776 - MEDICAL EXAMINER), WHICH
WILL EXTEND THE TERM OF THE AGREEMENT
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SEPTEMBER 30, 2023
Item #16H1
PROCLAMTION DESIGNATING OCTOBER 10, 2022, AS
REPUBLIC OF CHINA (TAIWAN) DAY IN COLLIER COUNTY.
THE PROCLAMATION WILL BE MAILED TO THE TAIPEI
ECONOMIC AND CULTURAL OFFICE(TECO) IN MIAMI,
FLORIDA
Item #16H2 – Continued to the October 25, 2022 BCC Meeting
(Per Agenda Change Sheet)
A PROPOSED RESOLUTION BY MR. DAVID SILVERBERG
THAT CONDEMNS ANTI-SEMITISM IN ALL FORMS AND
EXPRESSIONS; CONDEMNS ALL FORMS OF
DISCRIMINATION, PREJUDICE, AND HATE AGAINST ANY
PERSON OR GROUP OF PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF FAITH,
RACE, GENDER, CREED, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, OR
NATIONAL ORIGIN; CONDEMNS ANY CALL TO VIOLENCE
OR USE OF VIOLENCE FOR ANY PURPOSE AT ANY TIME;
AND RESOLVES TO ACTIVELY AND VIGOROUSLY OPPOSE,
INVESTIGATE, AND PROSECUTE TO THE FULLEST EXTENT
OF THE LAW ANY ADVOCACY OF VIOLENCE, ACTS OF
VIOLENCE, OR CRIMES MANIFESTING HATRED AGAINST
ANY PERSON, PROPERTY, OR INSTITUTION BASED ON
FAITH, RACE, GENDER, CREED, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, OR
NATIONAL ORIGIN, AND WILL PROVIDE TO BIGOTRY NO
SANCTION AND TO PERSECUTION NO ASSISTANCE
Item #16I1
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SEPTEMBER 27, 2022 BCC MISCELLANEOUS
CORRESPONDENCE
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Item #16J1
EXTEND THE 2022 TAX ROLL AT THE REQUEST OF TAX
COLLECTOR ROB STONEBURNER, CFC
Item #16J2
THE TAX COLLECTOR’S REQUEST FOR ADVANCE
COMMISSIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH FLORIDA STATUTE
192.102(1) FOR FY2023
Item #16J3
REPORT TO THE BOARD REGARDING THE INVESTMENT OF
COUNTY FUNDS AS OF THE QUARTER ENDED JUNE 30,
2022
Item #16J4
DETERMINE VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR INVOICES
PAYABLE AND PURCHASING CARD TRANSACTIONS AS OF
SEPTEMBER 21, 2022
Item #16J5
TO RECORD IN THE MINUTES OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS, THE CHECK NUMBER (OR OTHER
PAYMENT METHOD), AMOUNT, PAYEE, AND PURPOSE FOR
WHICH THE REFERENCED DISBURSEMENTS WERE DRAWN
FOR THE PERIODS BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 1, 2022, AND
SEPTEMBER 14, 2022, PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTE
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136.06.
Item #16K1
TO RECORD IN THE MINUTES OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS, THE CHECK NUMBER (OR OTHER
PAYMENT METHOD), AMOUNT, PAYEE, AND PURPOSE FOR
WHICH THE REFERENCED DISBURSEMENTS WERE DRAWN
FOR THE PERIODS BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 1, 2022, AND
SEPTEMBER 14, 2022, PURSUANT TO FLORIDA 136.06
Item #16K2
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS REVIEWS AND
APPROVES THE PROPOSED FY 2022 - 2023 ACTION PLAN
FOR JEFFREY A. KLATZKOW, COUNTY ATTORNEY
Item #16K3
RETENTION AGREEMENT FOR SPECIALIZED LEGAL
SERVICES WITH THE LAW FIRM OF FORD & HARRISON,
LLP REGARDING MATTERS INVOLVING COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING/LABOR RELATIONS AND EMPLOYMENT LAW
MATTERS
Item #16K4
AGREEMENT FOR CONSTRUCTION EXPERT CONSULTANT
SERVICES WITH THE DELTA CONSULTING GROUP SOUTH,
INC., FOR COUNTY CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, AS NEEDED
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Item #16K5
RESOLUTION 2022-154: APPOINTING TWO MEMBERS TO
THE INFRASTRUCTURE SURTAX CITIZEN OVERSIGHT
COMMITTEE
Item #17A
RESOLUTION 2022-155: A RESOLUTION APPROVING
AMENDMENTS (APPROPRIATING CARRY FORWARD,
TRANSFERS, AND SUPPLEMENTAL REVENUE) TO THE
FY21-22 ADOPTED BUDGET
Item #17B
RESOLUTION 2022-156: APPROVING AMENDMENTS
(APPROPRIATING CARRY FORWARD, TRANSFERS, AND
SUPPLEMENTAL REVENUE) TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2022-23
ADOPTED BUDGET
Item #17C
ORDINANCE 2022-36: AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER
18-25, THE MINI-TRIANGLE MIXED USE PLANNED UNIT
DEVELOPMENT, TO DECREASE COMMERCIAL USES FROM
200,000 TO A MAXIMUM OF 130,000 SQUARE FEET WITH A
MINIMUM OF 15,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE USES AND A
MINIMUM OF 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF OTHER
COMMERCIAL USES; AND TO INCREASE MULTI-FAMILY
DWELLING UNITS BY 114 UNITS FOR A MAXIMUM OF 491
DWELLING UNITS, ALL SUBJECT TO A TRAFFIC CAP; AND
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REMOVE MOVIE THEATRE AND BOWLING CENTER USES;
AND BY AMENDING THE MASTER PLAN. THE SUBJECT
PROPERTY IS LOCATED NEAR THE SOUTHERN CORNER OF
THE INTERSECTION OF DAVIS BOULEVARD AND TAMIAMI
TRAIL EAST, WEST OF COMMERCIAL DRIVE IN SECTION
11, TOWNSHIP 50 SOUTH, RANGE 25 EAST, COLLIER
COUNTY, FLORIDA, CONSISTING OF 5.35± ACRES; AND BY
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE
Item #17D
ORDINANCE 2022-37: ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE
NO. 89-05, AS AMENDED, THE COLLIER COUNTY GROWTH
MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE UNINCORPORATED AREA
OF COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, SPECIFICALLY
AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT BY
AMENDING THE MINI-TRIANGLE MIXED USE SUB-
DISTRICT OF THE URBAN MIXED USE DISTRICT TO
DECREASE COMMERCIAL USES FROM 200,000 TO 130,000
AND TO INCREASE MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING UNITS BY
114 UNITS FOR A MAXIMUM OF 491 DWELLING UNITS, ALL
SUBJECT TO A TRAFFIC CAP; AND REMOVE MOVIE
THEATRE AND BOWLING CENTER USES. THE SUBJECT
PROPERTY IS LOCATED NEAR THE SOUTHERN CORNER OF
THE INTERSECTION OF DAVIS BOULEVARD AND TAMIAMI
TRAIL EAST, WEST OF COMMERCIAL DRIVE IN SECTION
11, TOWNSHIP 50 SOUTH, RANGE 25 EAST, CONSISTING OF
5.35± ACRES; AND FURTHERMORE, RECOMMENDING
TRANSMITTAL OF THE ADOPTED AMENDMENT TO THE
FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY;
September 27, 2022
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PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN
EFFECTIVE DATE
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There being no further business for the good of the County, the
meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 12:04 p.m.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS/EX
OFFICIO GOVERNING BOARD(S) OF
SPECIAL DISTRICTS UNDER ITS CONTROL
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WILLIAM L. McDANIEL, JR., CHAIRMAN
ATTEST:
CRYSTAL K. KINZEL, CLERK
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These minutes approved by the Board on ____________, as
presented ______________ or as corrected _____________.
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COURT REPORTING BY TERRI L. LEWIS, REGISTERED
PROFESSIONAL COURT REPORTER, FPR-C, AND NOTARY
PUBLIC.