Agenda 07/12/2022 Item # 2B (BCC Joint BCC Meeting Workshop Minutes 06/07/2022)2.B
07/12/2022
COLLIER COUNTY
Board of County Commissioners
Item Number: 2.B
Item Summary: June 7, 2022 BCC Joint Workshop Minutes
Meeting Date: 07/12/2022
Prepared by:
Title: Sr. Operations Analyst — County Manager's Office
Name: Geoffrey Willig
06/27/2022 11:45 AM
Submitted by:
Title: Deputy County Manager — County Manager's Office
Name: Amy Patterson
06/27/2022 11:45 AM
Approved By:
Review:
County Manager's Office Geoffrey Willig County Manager Review
Board of County Commissioners Geoffrey Willig Meeting Pending
Completed 06/27/2022 11:45 AM
07/12/2022 9:00 AM
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MINUTES OF THE COLLIER COUNTY
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Naples, Florida, June 7, 2022
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, the Collier County Board of County
Commissioners and the Marco Island City Council, in and for the
of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on this da a a.m. in
REGULAR SESSION at Administrative Building "F," d loor, Collier
County Government Complex, Naples, Florida, following
members present:
BCC Chaira iam L. McDaniel Jr.
Andy Solis
Rick LoCastro
Burt Saunders
Penny Taylor
Naples City Council -4,
Teresa Heitmann, Mayor
Michael McCabe, Vice -Mayor
Ted Blankenship, C cil Member
Raymond Christ cil Member
Terry Hutchiso ncil Member
Paul Perry C cil, ember
Beth Petruno,�uncil Member
anty Manager
attorney
:ity Manager
Tanya Williams, County Public Services, Director
Trinity Scott, Transportation Management Services, Department Head
Bob Middleton, Naples Utilities Director
Andy Holland, City Streets & Stormwater Department, Interim Director
Jake LaRow, CHS Operations Manager
Maggie Lopez, Financial Operations Manager, CHS
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Any persons in need of the verbatim record of the meeting may request a copy of the video
recording from the Collier County Communications and Customer Relations Department, or
view it online.
Call to Order
BCC Chairman BCC Chairman McDaniel called the meeting to order at 9 a.m.
1. Pledge of Allegiance
The Pledge of Allegiance was recited.
2. WORKSHOP TOPICS
2.A. 2008 Interlocal Agreement, Set To Expire Sept. 30, 2022 — Tanya Willi s,1�6unty Public
Services Director
BCC Chairman McDaniel told the Board and Council they could ask st n nd make
comments during presentations.
Ms. Williams presented a PowerPoint presentation: and said t Ki rant, Director of Operations
& Veterans Services, and Jeff Newman, Operational Servi ager for Public Services, helped
her put together a brief presentation. The current, ale a tended City -County Beach
Parking Interlocal Agreement is set to expire on p 0, 2022. As part of the Interlocal
Agreement that started in 2003, the City and Co o ate beach patrols and maintenance
programs. The City provides at least 1,048 pa ' ces for those with valid parking stickers and
the County provides 1,527 parking spaces. ' inal agreement was set for five years and
expired in 2008, when a new agreem t s blished. The term was expanded from five years
to 10 years, with an expiration dat�p ber 30, 2018.
Both the City and the County wan ed tdextend the agreement, so it was extended another five
years. At that time, the C ty ageed to a $1 million annual payment to the City, with an annual
adjustment beginning ' 1. The City agreed to expand access to the City's parks, recreational
facilities and pro2At
s to re ents of unincorporated Collier County. On December 17, 2017, the
agreement was a to include an increased $1.5 million annual payment to the City, with no
adjustment fac time, the County agreed that beach stickers would no longer be sold to
non -Collier Co idents and that agreement was extended and amended through September
2022. A tim Collier County staff recommends maintaining the existing, amended Interlocal
Agree m for another four years.
y in ining the existing amended Interlocal Agreement, several benefits continue:
• t distributes the cost of beach patrols and maintenance programs to the respective entity.
• The County's $1.5 million remittance to the City equals over 53% of all beach and water
revenue being permitted.
• It provides the best value and quality beach access to Collier County residents.
Vice Mayor McCabe asked what does 53.3% of all beach and water revenues from all sources
mean?
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Ms. Williams said it means that of all revenues generated, $1.5 million equals 53% of those
revenues, so you're getting back 53% of the revenues as part of your $1.5 million.
Vice Mayor McCabe said that to him, it doesn't equate, 53.3% of the general revenues?
Ms. Williams said they are just for beach and water revenue, just for your parking revenue and
your beach access.
Ms. Williams asked Mr. Newman to explain further.
Mr. Newman said that if you look at what we took in during FY2021 for beaches0par ing, the
overwhelming share of beach and water revenues come from parking. There ark other minor
streams. For instance, if we rent something out on the beach, like a marriag ony. But
overwhelmingly, it's parking. If you take all revenues that we generate in k for our beach and
water at County parks, $1.5 million in FY21 was about 53.50%.
Vice Mayor McCabe said that's what he thought, but why is that
Mr. Newman said he included that information to show th though we charge out-of-towners
who don't have beach parking stickers at our parks, it s that $1.5 million works into the
parks' revenue stream.
Vice Mayor McCabe said it's saying it's 53.3% f parking revenues that the County takes in
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but it's for the City's beach parking in parks does that equate?
Commissioner Saunders said he #�od, as well. He thought we were talking about what
is the gross revenue from this of the ty in terms of your parking, so he assumed this number
reflected 53.3% of the City's gross rev ue. The relevant question is what is your gross
revenue? And what perce ge oAat gross revenue is this $1.5 million? What is the City's gross
revenue from parking o ations that are subject to this agreement? For example, if that number is
$3 million, then that /o nt of that would be our payment. That's what he assumed it was.
Vice Mayor cCab 'd the more relevant comparison for the City's parking and Parks would
be what doe $ on represent to the cost of the City, the beaches, renourishment, parking, to
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king of the beaches and parks, to our fulfillment? When he saw 53.3%, he
didn't was there.
Ch i tan McDaniel said we're here to discuss that and to move forward.
Com issioner Taylor agreed. The issue is what's the cost to maintain our beaches today, what is
your cost and what is our cost and what is the revenue? Because more needs to be done. We need
more oversight on the beaches. We need to figure out that number and go from there.
Vice Mayor McCabe said he doesn't see why the County's cost is relevant because we're talking
about County residents using City facilities and the County's cost is covered by the City's
residents paying the ad valorem tax, the same as any other County residents. So, the question
should be what is the City's cost, and then looking at the share of the County residents, what that
would represent. Then make sure the costs we have are being borne by the County's residents.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said having this discourse will be very instrumental in coming up with
a palatable agreement.
Heitman asked to clarify "all sources."
BCC Chairman McDaniel said County staff is taking notes to get answers to all the quest n
Vice Mayor McCabe said there are 156,218 beach parking stickers. Of that, 151,00 e
County, so 96.66% of the parking stickers for our beach ends and only 5,210 are tty, so as
we're looking at this and understanding what the percentage of access is, we'll e able to get
down to the percentage of actual use. When we're saying roughly 97% of t stickers are the
County, that needs to be weighed into this conversation. _
Commissioner Saunders said he suspected that was substantiallj
he finds objectionable. He has four beach stickers and rarely goes
mean anything.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said this discussion is so
and reach a consensus. • .
Council Member Hutchison said we're
discussion is about identifying costs. His
also include projected costs over any per
a definition for "water revenue." -1
Commissioner LoCastro said it
1.5 million, which
so 96% doesn't
an open and honest discourse
)t Interlocal Agreement, and currently the
d be that as we look at costs today, we should
in a proposed extension. Also, please provide
we don't have an argument over the agreement itself,
but we need a deeper dive ' to tl*ttatistics, the money, the revenue, the sourcing and all that as
we come up to the Steperr 30 timeline. Is there anything in the agreement that anyone takes
exception to, other ly7n wa ' g a breakout with statistics?
Council Mem]Ler PAW asked how the extension was set for four years, not five or 10.
Ms. Willj,?Ws sJT ifwas just decided to extend it for four years.
McDaniel said the number is irrelevant now. They could determine a time for an
they approve an Interlocal Agreement.
Comifiissioner Taylor said that prior to the agreement, the City and County were butting heads a
lot. The City strongly suggested asking for $1 million a year for parking and the County
agreed. That had to do with the parking passes, etc. Prior to that, it was loggerheads. She didn't
know why there wasn't another 10-year agreement. It makes no sense, unless the County decides
they don't want to use the City's beaches. How many accesses are in the City right now?
Ms. Williams said 40.
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Commissioner Taylor said she doesn't think the City or County wants to give up access to 40
beach accesses because the County has about five, so it behooves us all to come together to
understand that the beach is a shared resource, and it's very important to keep it up and to keep our
quality of life. Our quality of life is dependent on how people use the beaches and it's not to have
glass on the beach, dogs on the beach, barbecues or tents on the beach. This can't happen.
Council Member Blankenship said they can come to a reasonable agreement on cost-shaA
We've had significant cost increases since the pandemic. We increased the beach patrol, p c
patrols, increased cleaning on the Pier, and increased cleaning and trash pick-up at Low
Park and all the beach ends, so we can factor that into the budget and come up with onable
approach. The real issue we need to think about is long-term parking. We've got to ous
growth in our area and only so many beach parking spaces. That's where we'r o need
creative help, either from us, from City and County staff, on how we're goi dress providing
access to the beach for all our residents when there's not enough parking ie rea.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said he liked the statement he made t tlbeing "all of our
beaches." If we approach this discussion with that as a premise wi e 1 to come to a
consensus.
Commissioner Saunders said he understood. Where thpmQi7Wncil seems to be going on this is
all those maintenance costs they have. Whether eli i a eement or not, you're going to
have those costs, so he wanted to find out what t
i gross revenue is from parking meters
and see what that $1.5 million, what that percent
e, ould be. As staff is evaluating this, please
come back with what our alternatives are in ' c
g our parking facilities on the beach because
we do have several facilities and maybe o
increase those. Clam Pass Park is an example of
an area we've talked about, so weZgo
in that direction. He'd like to see the City's
gross revenue for parking, which iswhat's
relevant here. How much you're spending, how
much revenue you have, and how mis $1.5
million reflects that because your costs are going
to remain. Your costs are Wt goiyt to change.
There shouldn't be a ONce that the County is a cash cow here. We have to be very careful
about how we spe o mo ey, as well. This $1.5 million was a very fair agreement and he'd like
to see that rate contin ut he understands the City needs to look at its numbers.
Council nChristman said he recognizes they have Interlocal Agreements for Parks and
Recreail, pwJj&larly the beaches, which is the most visible Interlocal Agreement we have and is
in t ,*f all. Is this the only Interlocal Agreement we have between the City and
ty? e didn't believe it was. When we planned for this joint workshop, some of the
diseYeto
by Council was to take a look at all the Interlocal Agreements we had with the County,
or talk about Interlocal Agreements that don't exist that maybe should for issues such as
affordable housing. It would be useful for staff to provide a full summary of Interlocal Agreements
that are in place so we have an understanding of that.
Ms. Patterson said they're in the process of putting that together.
Mayor Heitmann said she set the tone. She doesn't think this is an adversarial meeting It's a great
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opportunity to discuss, to work on and solve issues. We're not coming against you and wanting,
but seeking information to solve some issues.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said they all concur. This meeting is long past due to have an open
discussion and discourse with our community at large. You're a part of ours, we're a part of yours.
Commissioner LoCastro said he wanted to get back to something Council Member Perry said.
It's extremely important how frequently we look at these agreements. When we've been to ' g at
accounting agreements, some get looked at every 10 years and then a 10-year point hits a
nobody looks at it and then we're at the 17-year point. The County is so dynamic and g o
quickly and money is changing hands so fast. One minute we have a marina that's baabeing
used and producing no revenue, and now it's a huge cash cow. They're looking at^e more
frequently, even if it's just to look at it and say, "You know what, it's perfectly, way it is"
and then we go another four years. We really need to nail that down in an a t. We've been
remiss here in the County a few times where we missed a few and when thlRement came to us,
it was pretty dusty.
Even by our own admission, we've sat here and said, "We would
we'd really attacked it at the 10-year point when we're suppo ed
nailing down that term, what's the magic number, four or f V<
because you're dealing with real dollars here and things
said, this area is growing so quickly that in four yelr i t e
sooner if we're watching it. We might want to ha ergenc,
this, or any other agreement.
e ettTr served the County if
o r maybe sooner." So really
e need something definite
:ranging very quickly. As you
d a total overhaul, maybe even
meeting and really take a look at
Vice Mayor McCabe said is the agreem as it's structured today, sound and should we
move forward? Yes, but with one cng the last go around, they took out an escalator
clause. The escalator clause or somng similar should be put back in because that would capture
the kind of conversations that we're ha*fig today. It's important because if you look at the
escalator clause, if it was i therend you project it into 2023, to this next fiscal year we're going
to make an agreement f and you compared the metrics, we would have had an 84.6%
increase. Instead of $Jo , we'd be talking about $2,769,292, so it's not a small deal. It is a
big deal. >,
As Mr. Commirake
Saunders touched on, we're not talking about hoarding County money, but
we just n toure we really understand what we're talking about. In the City of Naples,
our resi he County, just like any other County residents. Then City of Naples
resi dditional taxes for the services and all that we have. County residents don't, so what
e to ng about is making sure that County residents share in paying for what the City
resi ave, in addition to what the County has. We're not drawing a line and saying, "Give us
more ounty money." We're literally saying, "For the residents of City of Naples, give us the
money we've already given for the additional services that we have for the City." It's no more
complicated than that.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said we're all entitled to our opinions. Commissioner Saunders has an
opinion that he doesn't disagree with. You're certainly entitled to spend as much money as you
want, but in order to do it, and if you have a discretionary expense that you're putting out as a
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maintenance expense with a theoretical escalator clause that you want to put in here and it's not a
ratified expense, then we need to have a discussion about that. With our carte blanche, there's
more money, but at the same token, he wants it to be equitable.
Vice Mayor McCabe said absolutely, so this is a good conversation to set up, What will take
place post -meeting?
Commissioner Taylor said it might be advisable to have an ad hoc committee work out d s
and bring something back to each of our boards, because that is something that she doesn' i
we've ever done. She doesn't think it's in the ordinance. It's clear that the beaches aZyk
County's interests, everyone's interests. Rather than getting into the nitty gritty, we
one and you pick one and bring staffs together and really go into it, understanding�i�tenor of
what you've heard here. I v
BCC Chairman McDaniel agreed, saying he liked the idea, the holistic
BCC Vice Chair BCC Vice Chair Solis asked if they could
revenue is for parking.
Mr. Boodheshwar said in about three months, he'll be
don't have anyone here today from finance. But as we I
assessment, we'll have that piece of information._ • & A
Ms. Williams said the last benefit is that the
with access to South Marco Beach, Tiger Ta,
Clam Pass, North Gulfshore Beach access
The discussion has already started WON6%j.
Council Member Blankenship said
City's total
that question and others. We
data, that is important in our
[oZW Agreement would provide City residents
Barefoot Beach Preserve, Barefoot access,
aderbilt Beach, a total of seven County beaches.
been taken, so she awaits the Board's directive.
other element of data that would be helpful to look at is
parks utilization. We've to ed aA about the beaches, but not so much about the parks. We have
data that show a lot of my residents continue to use City parks. Even though you have invested
tremendous amounts ' o t parks, we're still seeing the utilization and it would be interesting
to see if you have a at s ows how many City residents are using County parks. That would be
helpful to know so w a factor that into this Interlocal Agreement because the $1.5 million, or
whatever the n ds up being, is supposed to cover some shared park costs and beach costs.
BCC (A~IcDaniel said we've had discussions about the Seagate parking garage and so
on.Wo a co explore an inland parking garage to digitize all our beach accesses, so the people
wa t come to a beach can look at a screen to see if there's parking available. He wants
the e able to go to a parking garage, pay, get in, get in a van and go to a City or County
beach. twill reduce infrastructure impacts and reduce parking in the City of Naples.
Council Member Blankenship said we talked about the same thing because Lowdermilk Park, for
instance, fills up and people drive around or sit in line trying to find a parking space.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said they've had people parking in private yards or rights -of -way and
they've had very serious circumstances.
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Vice Mayor McCabe said he doesn't agree with factoring in what share of City residents use
County parks. City residents are paying County taxes and, therefore, should have access to County
parks. It's the opposite that's not taking place, so City residents are already paying for County
facilities, services, etc., in their ad valorem taxes, so we shouldn't be factoring that in. It's when
County residents come to the City, that's the conversation.
Council Member Hutchison said for staff, the "ask" would be to share the variables the C&Vty
uses to arrive at its net expense and beach costs. Let's compare what we're using. You mW�-
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opportunity there. And let's look at what reasonable access to the beach really looks I on the beach ends and near -shore parking lots. What's the impact on people parking r rigt
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of -way, front of the residences and what's that expense? O
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Should we discuss solutions with shared -costs and providing mobility? He ure if that's
ever been discussed, beach parking enforcement and numerous other beacl el ed variables.
Outside our world, what are the best practices? There are a lot of beac s the country. We
can look at best practices and adopt those to come up with a goo or our residents and
visitors well into the future.
Mayor Heitmann said we also should look at boat ramp f nd how many spaces we actually
have. The pandemic showed us that our access for boat eased. We might want to look at
that to make sure we have enough. •
BCC Chairman McDaniel said they'd looked a th ount ramps a lot and would be ha to
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share what the County is doing.
Commissioner Taylor asked the C 1 had the consensus of both boards to appoint an ad
hoc committee to come back with s information that can be disseminated. If we're on break, it
can be disseminated through e-mail, so a can prepare for the Interlocal Agreement in September.
Mayor Heitmann said could be the liaison for the City Council and the BCC chair when they
go on summer break•.
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BCC Chairman Mclj.iel said he'd be happy to be a liaison and be on the ad hoc committee.
BCC Ch a cDaniel said no decision making is coming from this. We're just gathering
inform g it all together, and then we'll bring it back to our individual boards.
asked what the time frame was.
Taylor said the agreement would be voted on during the second BCC meeting in
September.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said it would be September 13 and our last meeting before break will
be July 12.
2.B. Septic To Sewer Initiative - [Bob Middleton, Naples Utilities Director]
Mr. Middleton presented a PowerPoint presentation said he's presenting an update to the City's
septic sewer program, a good program for eliminating the potential for septic tank overflows that
contaminate our waterways. In 2006, the City completed a study of the unsewered areas within the
City's sanitary sewer system service area. The shaded area is the City's sanitary sewer service
area. A lot of that area is outside the City limits, in Collier County. The plan identified seven areas
that did not have sanitary sewer and were on septic tanks.
The first project that we took on was Area 7, the Bemberry Drive area, which was constru
2015. The next project was Areas 4 and 5, within the unsewered area. Construction oft ry
sewer system there is complete. The County stormwater system is almost complete, t or
some punch -list items. So far, connections to that system are about 95% complete t e
connections from the homes to the sanitary -sewer system.
We've got four areas remaining. Areas 1-6, which are bounded on the no i y Pine Ridge
Road, the southern end is the green area known as Area 6, Creech Roa a ounded by U.S.
41 and Goodlette Road. Area 7, the first project we completed in 5,1 hind the post office on
Goodlette Road, north and west of the post office. It cost $852,00ct 50 properties there.
These are paid for by assessments, so Area 7 residents wer a essed the construction cost for the
sanitary sewer system with no grant help, just City resi is 1 g about $15,000 per
connection. Residents also were responsible fort0iisi^ar Ie onnection and abandonment of the
septic tank, so we're learning how that worked t t first process, and we're a bit better on
Areas 4 and 5. Hopefully, we'll continue to get e uring this process.
BCC Chairman McDaniel asked if the any struggles financially and had issues due to
that.
Mr. Middleton said yes, sir, that's the ain reason for this discussion, because he wants to make
everybody aware of it. In t e areoke called Phase 1, the west Goodlette Frank Road project, or
Gulf Acres -Rosemary P ect. It was to provide sanitary sewer systems in Areas 4 and 5. In
November 2017, the fei a ounty entered into an Interlocal Agreement in which the City
would construct a itkty s er system to eliminate septic tanks and replace the water -
distribution sy tem. 1% ity provides drinking water to residents of this area, so the water system
needed to be re the same time because it couldn't withstand the construction activities for
to installing* swater system and the sanitary sewer system.
AnN1t t, the County was going to upgrade and replace the stormwater system in this area,
prone to massive flooding, especially during Hurricane Irma. It was a good move to
repla upgrade the stormwater system to get that water off those properties during a storm. He
likes t e Interlocal Agreement, where the City and the County work together, because there are
several benefits to doing that construction at the same time. When two different entities own
utilities, if they can get together and do that work all at one time, that minimizes the construction
agony, and there was a lot of agony doing this construction, not only for the residents there, but for
City and County staff.
When they dig up that right-of-way, which was 60 feet, we went down through those streets and
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dug it up to install and replace all the utilities. The cost -sharing is an advantage for both
sides. Under this agreement, the County took the lead on procurement. They took care of hiring the
design consultant and bidding the project out, and this project was done through a three -parry
construction agreement. The City and the County had an agreement with the contractor where the
City paid for their cost and the County paid for their cost for the improvements.
The total project cost for Areas 4 and 5, which includes the construction of the sanitary sewer
system, the water system and the stormwater system, was $13.7 million for the County. Th
sanitary sewer was assessed to the residents and when we went into this, the construction t
just sanitary sewer was $5.7 million to connect 331 properties. As we got into meeting i 1
residents, several were not happy about getting hit with a $25,000 assessment for thoA, sts and
that number of connections. That assessment includes not only the construction bdesign cost,
engineering cost, and any other fees associated with setting up that assessmentz1vtdas all
charged back to the residents. There was so much public outcry on this whe Npt into the public
hearings to set the assessment, that the City Council said, "Let's stop, we d find money to
help these residents out." That's when we joined together with the Co y, agreed to pay for
the $313,000 design cost.
The City and County had grants with the Water Management istri for this project. The City had
$800,000 in grants and the County had $875,000 in grants. County said it would give up its
grant request and give it to the City, which was $1.67 7eycoullld
with those two offsets, we were
able to reduce the assessment from $25 000 dow tb h was much more palatable to
the residents. Plus, we gave them several options, pay off the assessment.
We still had a few that were not happy with W'' pay that. But they had the option of paying
that off upfront, $13,300, with no interesttpay it off; or they could have it attached to
their ad valorem taxes over a 20-ye )rvvith interest; or they didn't have to pay it off at all,
but at the end of the 20-year asses gt, they would have to pay that plus the interest, about
$50,000 at the end.
Commissioner Taylor . they didn't have to pay it off if they sold their house. If they
homeowner wanted o t ut they saw an appreciation on their house and wanted to realize
that appreciation t t de t was carried to the new owners.
asked what most residents did.
Mr. M1741#aarglaid they paid it off. There was a silent majority out there because the septic tanks
we ely bad shape. For the cost they were going to have to pay, the payment option was
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van ge to some. Plus, to replace the septic tank was about $15,000. So, either you pay the
City e to connect to the system and eliminate the septic tank or have the recurring costs of
replacing the septic tank every 20 years, so there was an advantage.
Then the City applied through the State Legislature for a line -item appropriation. This project got a
lot of attention with the help of the County and our lobbyist in Tallahassee and we were granted a
$1.2 million line -item appropriation from the Legislature to offset the cost of the sanitary sewer
system. The City also applied for a DEP grant, a 319 Grant that pays to offset the cost of the
abandonment of the septic tanks in connection to the system and the City threw in $400,000 to
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match that. We were able to combine those three sums of money, which is about $2.1 million. We
hired a contractor to do the actual connection work to abandon the septic tanks and make the house
connection to the sanitary sewer system. The residents didn't pay anything out of pocket and it's
their responsibility to make the connection because it's on private property.
Today, of the 331 properties, we're about 95% complete. We've got 11-15 remaining connections
to be made, and that's going to be on Ridge Street, so we hope within the next two months to have
that project completed and move on to the next one.
If you didn't have the opportunity to ride through this area before construction and ride H c�h it
now, it looks very nice. The right-of-way is opened up and the road is brand new. T itary
sewer system runs down the middle of the road and you can see the difference in a es on the
side of the road for the stormwater system. Everything stonnwater in this area he east, to
the canal along the road, so everything is pitched that way to move the watey+
A water line is on the north side of Ridge Street. To the west, you can e eNprovements of the
stormwater system, the roadway, the driveways were replaced. d a enomenal job on
restoration. There is still some more work to do, some line -item th ut t was a pretty
successful project.
For Phase 2, we've got four more areas to do. In 2019, t CIValld the County agreed to another
interlocal agreement to do the design and construczi
t f r remaining areas. In March of
2021, the City Council awarded a contract to the . We're at 60% design right now and
we should be at 100% by this August. We've 90401NO tentative amounts based on that engineer's
estimate on what the cost would be. The des' e sanitary sewer system for the entire area is
$806,157 and this will be a special assess e will charge residents for the design and the
construction through the assessme ffigiz This area represents 869 total connections and the
City has budgeted $32 million over next five years. We've got it spaced out because we
estimated it'll be about a year to two y s to construct and do all the improvements in that
area. That includes replace ent 4ethe water system, a new sanitary sewer system and the County's
improvements to the sto water system.
We've broken thi o t d n into three projects in Phase 2. Project 1 is to work in Areas 3 and
6, based on the unse a master plan. The construction cost for the sanitary sewer system alone
is $10.7 million and 6 and represent 285 connections. To give a cost comparison, the
constructof t e sanitary sewer system for Areas 4 and 5 was $5.7 million for 331 connections
and di t, e $2 million for the connection cost. What we're doing differently on this one is
we c ng in the construction costs the abandonment of the septic tanks and connection to
t ste hat represents $2 million out of that $10.7 million.
BCC ice Chair Solis asked what exactly does abandonment mean?
Mr. Middleton said there's a procedure that you have to go through that's identified by the State
Health Department and now DEP. You have to crush the tank, pump out the contents and fill it
with suitable material. In some cases, that's select soil and others, we may pump it full of flowable
fill or concrete. The cost for that is anywhere from $2,00045000 per property.
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If you remove the cost of the connection, $2,000 from the $10.7 million, you're at $8.7 million for
285 connections versus $5.7 million, which we just completed. It's $2 million-$3 million more for
doing the work now so that's an increased cost the residents are going to have to absorb, and
hopefully our engineer is way off on his estimates, but we know what prices are doing right
now. Based on that cost with no grants applied, it's $40,000 per connection per resident, and that's
at the 60% design drawings. We're hoping that will be reduced, but I am not looking forward to
that discussion with the residents.
Grants are available, but they're not guaranteed for this project. We've applied for a line-i
appropriation through the Legislature and that has been approved. It's in the State budg t or
$500,000. They've changed the rules on how we can apply for State funding and willbn provide
funding for work done within their fiscal year, which is July through June. When pied for
this, we were assuming that we would start construction in early 2023, but that my give us
six months of construction within that fiscal year, so we would probably ha illion worth of
work done by then, so it's typically a 50% grant. They provided $500,OOOA e ink we'll be
successful in future grants.
Congressman Byron Daniels has applied for a Federal Communi m roject grant on the
City's behalf and we've requested $5 million. We have receiv d co ents back from the federal
level asking questions about the how to justify this. He doeInN know where they are with it, but if
we could get a $5 million grant, we've just cut that: 40 OO:SI aJf to $20,000.
Plus, with other grant opportunities, we've been i o cations with the Big Cypress Basin
through the Water Management District and will o han likely get grant funding there. But it's
going to be around $500,000-$800,000. We';� nything. We also applied for a 319 Grant
through DEP to cover the connection cosVW think we'll get about $500,000.
We will send out public notification residents this summer, including costs, and will probably
set up some public meetings with City d the County staff to represent the project and have plans
and drawings set out for re ident�o see their properties and how it's going to be connected or
affected. Those will pro ly be good meetings, except for the discussion about what their costs
will be. The design o e ct will be completed this fall, probably August. The initial and final
assessment hearin w be n later this year, but for the final assessment, we've got to have a
pretty good nu ber t ve the maximum assessment included in that final assessment. If we don't
have the final a t high enough and the project costs exceed that amount, the City's on the
hook for tlat co , so we want to be accurate on our cost.
Taylor asked if you could go the other way.
Mr.lVdleton said yes, and that's what typically happens after a project is constructed. We know
the true construction cost and then the assessment is recalculated. If people paid a higher amount,
then they're reimbursed.
Council Member Petrunoff said the prime rate is going up and it's going to go up again. The way
these are priced, are they variable or is it a fixed rate that's applied to residents?
Mr. Middleton said it's a fixed rate.
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Council Member Petrunoff asked if we have any sense of how much it costs, or have we done
any calculations on reduction in pollution to explain this? What is the benefit of this project? What
are the failed septic systems doing to waterways?
Mr. Middleton said that's done through water -quality monitoring. We've got a good area to do
water -quality monitoring. One of the tasks in the Big Cypress Basin's grant agreement with the
City is that we have to do water -quality monitoring. We've already started monitoring oft ater
coming out of the system prior to the septic tanks being online, so we have the history on tbat.
Now that the septic tanks are going away, then we're required to monitor for an additio(a
years to see what the impact reduction is going to be.
Council Member Petrunoff asked when they will get our first reads on this, Ot you're
95% done with Phase 1.
Mr. Middleton said we have to sample again in September. AC)
Council Member Petrunoff asked if they'll get a reading in Octo%K-1V'NTvember on this.
Mr. Middleton said yes. For construction, the City will bi roject and we're going to change
the way we did it from the previous time. We did not pr u contractor. We're going
through a contractor pre -qualification process to rf- contractors that will be eligible to
bid on this job and you know why we're doing t anticipating construction to begin in
early 2023. In Area 3, the northern boundary is S la oad, the southern boundary, including the
boundary on the south side, is Cypress Woo W . We've just completed the septic sewer at
Hollygate Lane, so we're moving north a ounded by U.S. 41 and Goodlette Road. This
represents 260 connections.
Area 6 is Creech Road. The north half Creech Road is in the County and they are not on sanitary
sewer. They're on septic t s, sVAhey represent 25 connections. For Project 2, to the north, Area
2 represents 305 conned ' s. The estimated construction cost for the sanitary sewer is $10.8
million and includes co e tion cost. Grant funding is anticipated, but not guaranteed. This
area is south of G Bo evard and includes Morningside Drive on the south side and it
represents 305 conne ' s. The last area to the north is Area 1, which is $10.4 million based on
this year's doll s 279 connections. That's a $40,000 per -connection cost without any
grants no t in udes the connection cost. The area in the middle is not shaded because at some
time b e istence at the City, somebody installed sanitary sewer in that area, so they are
luc 'aries to be living there right now. This shaded area represents 279 connections and
out ine Ridge Road, north of Granada Boulevard between U.S. 41 and Goodlette Road.
Mayo Heitmann thanked Mr. Middleton, his staff and County staff. This is really a fine example
of a City -County partnership in taking care of the necessary infrastructure that was missing for a
very long time and it is protecting our impaired waterbodies for the future. That's what the City
has been working on with our Lakes Management Program. It's extremely important that we are
also a partnership in State appropriations and are lobbying the federal government for our water
management. It took a team to do this and she's very proud of this project because she has hope
that we can clean up some of our water bodies that are impaired.
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Commissioner LoCastro said he hopes that Isles of Capri residents watched this because in his
district, that's a huge footprint now. That's pretty much all septic and it's been postponed for so
many years. We all appreciate the timeline it takes from the idea to actually flushing the toilet and
having it being connected to sewer, and it's big. We would have benefited on Isles of Capri by
having this discussion in the very early stages of talking to Isles of Capri residents. You were
saying there's misinformation, the minute they hear that there's a possible assessment, forget
it. But the rebuttal is if your septic tank explodes tomorrow, you're going to pay regardless how
many grants there are. And when it comes to water, you've raised a great question, but it' a NP
about prevention. It's about making sure that doesn't happen because it has happened 'If
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communities. Some preliminary work that we've done to get our notes together was aft
reminder for him when he talked to residents and own staff. We want to learn fro st
practices. The one thing that we have found out is grant money was much mor 1 a while
ago. That train may have left the station. That's an exact quote from a con llahassee who
works on this. If you're up against issues with septic tanks, you might not a e to wait for the
grant money and we have more than a few septic tanks that are having ' s in Isles of Capri.
Right now, we're trying to at least do the homework. Very littleJA at ever been done. It was
started and then when a lot of pushback came from residents, nob n-a Wt d to take a bite of that
apple and it was just like, "Oh we'll talk about it in 10 years' nd t septic tanks aren't any
cheaper and the connection isn't any cheaper now. _
We also have the added complexity of Marco Isl&Oreat
��aNa partial responsibility with sewer
connections, a complicated partnership in trying verybody to the table. My takeaways
here are exactly what the mayor has said: It's a 1 work and we want to learn from this.
There will be other areas in our community, of Capri is a big footprint with a lot of
connections, a big project. We're in the ve stages of trying to educate the community that
they really shouldn't push back anKIthe
a�Ais. We're having a lot of success doing that by
giving them the right information, negative is when they ask about the assessment. He's
glad to hear some grant money is avail*'le. But nothing is guaranteed. It's a lot less guaranteed
now than it was when money waAowing more freely and it was less of a challenge to get, when
environmental help was�sier to get.
Council Member t noTasked if the new developments being built in the County are required
to hook into th ubli tic system.
BCC China c aniel said not at all, but the higher -density projects, yes.
Co it Saunders said he believes it's State law that if you have access to a municipal
an sewer system in a new development, you have to hook up, so as the Chairman said,
we' t areas where we don't have that service. If it's available, they have to hook up.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said one of the things we've been working hard on is capital -asset
replacement and maintenance out of revenue streams we currently have. If you haven't
implemented those practices yet, start. It will certainly help your process when you're taking care
of your own house and not looking to somebody else talking about free money falling from the
sky. We hadn't had those practices in place for a long, long time in Collier County because we're
close to $2 billion in assets that need to be managed, both subsurface and surface.
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So if you haven't really looked into those things yet, add that to your repertoire. Start talking about
your user fees, how you're managed. We have experience in Everglades City with what's going on
down there. With regard to the necessity and the want for grant monies, the folks that have access
to larger pots of money, if they see that you're taking care of your own house upfront, there's a
greater propensity for help along the way.
BCC Vice Chair Solis said he was glad to hear that staff has been working so well togeth .
North Naples, in North Collier County, we've had one of these projects going on for year
Naples Park has to be switched and we're doing all of that at the same time, so he hope t�. a
lot of communication because when that process started five or six years ago, the w�re going
about the work has changed significantly. The staff has done so much to work wi residents
and how to minimize the pain of digging up the roads and living with unpaved specially in
the rainy season, so he's glad to hear that that's working well. He hopes Co T ff is sharing all
of that experience because from Naples Park we have to go to Palm River ve to go to Bonita
Shores and southeast, as well. It's going to Golden Gate City, right? S p ess is continually
being refined and he hopes we're sharing what we can share with`
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BCC Chairman McDaniel said when he first became CommyissiorVr in 2016, we were 50%
developed. You asked about new growth and development. were 50% developed in Golden
Gate Estates and still utilizing the normal septic system urrently used today, and we all
know there's highest and best technology availe Ift ' t d en. He looks for data -driven
decision making, so he deployed County Pollutio o to get data in eastern Collier County
and 50% build out. The other 50% is coming an e e good even with the new construction
that's coming all the way to 951, from the h uent hitting the water system with the
existing septic systems that we have. So, t e who are listening who live in Golden Gate
Estates, unless the municipality pu e sewer up the front of your street where you have
the option of connecting, you don't e to. There isn't going to be a septic -to -sewer move in
Golden Gate Estates. There's no econo y for it. The density is so low at one unit per 2'/a acres,
Mother Earth does her job,.,That'#/ ust for information purposes going forward.
Council Member. H hisNaid you went over various areas and that in spring of 2023,
construction is go' t tart in one of those areas. Can you summarize from now until when the
project work wLI1 be leted for all areas?
Mr. Mid
yl1qon Vidif we start in 2023, it'll be 1'/2 years, maybe longer. Area 1 would probably be
comple -2028. If we weren't able to maintain the schedule, late 2029.
C cil 716mber Hutchison asked if he'd identified what the greatest or most likely threats are to
cost ases during that timeframe.
Mr. Middleton said materials, delivery of materials and staff.
Council Member Hutchison said, And a delta of what?
Mr. Middleton said just on this project right now, what we've completed and what we're going
into, is a $2 million increase.
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BCC Chairman McDaniel asked if it was the equivalent number of connections.
Mr. Middleton said not really. The one we just completed was 331 and what we're going to is
285, but it's a little bit less and it's $2 million up.
Council Member Hutchison said that for those participating in this meeting, as well as for the
public watching, we're going through these septic -to -sewer conversions for a reason. It's Ar,
quality. The City properties are all sewer. Are there County residential properties that are
within the area described in your presentation, yet they remain on septic systems and th
contributing to water -quality issues in and around the City of Naples?
Mr. Middleton said we have a section off Airport Road, north of Golden
they're fairly large lots, and he believes they're still on septic tanks. The c
Chairman mentioned, these are large areas of property with a septic tank
to be contaminating surface water there is a lot less. This area we're to ii
tanks 20 feet apart. It's just one large septic tank. The density is g"ugh
other area off Airport Road, but they're really not even on our rad i
Commissioner LoCastro said it's the same as we have in
unbelievable, and we're already seeing an indication of
citizens and they say, "When I flush my toilet, I oil'
seeing little characteristics of septic tanks, not nec a "
get to their life expectancy and that's a bad sign.
Mr. Middleton said it depends on
Commissioner LoCastro said
e.?a%k,,yAy, but
ikl%W is, as the
ielpotential for them
�Vzt, these are septic
compared to this
tMVsles of Capri. The density is
v blems. You can talk to some
me sort of suction I got." We're
contaminating the water, but starting to
BCC Chairman McDani said ee key is density. If you've got a spatial differential, Mother
Nature can do her job.
Commissioner Taskedif it also depends on lot coverage, of impermeable structures.
Mr. Middleto ' gure does. That's how a drainfield works. You have to have room for
that. Onc e Twte eaves the tank, it overflows into the drainfield and that's what dissipates the
treated t the earth.
C mis over Taylor said it's dependent upon the moisture from above, which is inhibited when
they d mega houses and cover lots, no matter how big they are, like they're doing in Pine
Ridge. Pine Ridge is going from very modest to major mansions and that whole area is on septic.
Vice Mayor McCabe said as everybody says, this is an extremely important project to address the
water quality for everyone. Given you're looking at Phase 1 and now we're talking about Phase 2.
If you look at what happened in Phase 1, Collier County really jumped in and helped out with it.
They did the design cost, they did the bidding and then they did the construction contracting
costs. But in Phase 2, it's not represented as such, as yet. It's not formalized or finalized, so an
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"ask" is for the County to jump in and do this, as well. And as Council Member Hutchison said,
this is for County residents. This is not the City. This is what the City's sewer map includes, but
these are not City residents.
The second "ask," when we're doing this, we're tying it into what you're doing, as far as your
stormwater, etc., construction improvements in this area for your residents. When we look at the
right-of-way restoration, Bob showed some excellent pictures, how it looks post versus pre looks
fantastic. When you're tearing up the roads, if you did your project alone, you would bear Avost
for right-of-way reconstruction. When we're doing it in conjunction with you to replace t?
sewer lines, we're doing a cost -sharing. SeN
This would be another way that the City could help out. With this $32 million projffllt�he ity is
taking on for County residents, instead of cost -sharing for replacement of the r ay, the
County takes on responsibility to replace the County road, given they we iNo take it up
anyway. That would be a benefit to County residents, but it will also hel the out with this
project going forward. It could also help out in some of the numbers tl lking about
County residents getting hit with, the assessments for this. The m tha e look at this project
very specifically for its goal, the positive nature of it for all reside p sitive nature with
which your County residents will be benefiting from it, and t en to ing and trying to make sure
that we as the City, which is taking it on, taking on what w d or have to do, but also have the
County helping us out and ensuring that the County resiJenTM 19-
etting the benefits. So that
would be a pushback or an "ask" that I have, to 1 Aa ,nd for the County to come to the
table, do the designing, the engineering, the con ti nd contracting. And look at when we say
right-of-way replacement, that the County does t t cause it is a County road for County
residents and you'd be tearing it up, so that an answer.
Commissioner Taylor said she di �n f everyone was aware of this, but the City does make
a premium on the service that they sply to County residents and the City could decide to
abandon it, and we could take that ovei, he believes the County would be happy to do that.
BCC Chairman McD 1 said so again, there's another way of getting to where we need to go.
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Vice Mayor Mceid t is is a good conversation, to be available.
Commissioner said that on the first go -around, the County applied for and received the
grant and ica d it to the City, so this has always been a partnership. As we approach this,
becaus e les are so great with the construction costs and inflation, etc., it's important to
kialogue as we go forward, understanding that it is a huge cost for both entities, but it
iee ece a cost.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said and it goes back to what he was saying at the beginning. With
regards to your Capital -Asset- Replacement maintenance, you've got asbestosis water lines that are
running everywhere and what's our plan for those replacements? It's not yours, it's ours. So how
are we budgeting for those known replacements that are coming, are we communicating at the
same time, so departmentally, we're not fixing rights -of -way and doing the storm water and then
saying, "Oh, wait a second."
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Commissioner LoCastro said Amy Patterson has so much historical data and knowledge. If you
have some comments to make that would be beneficial to this group, we know you have
background historical info. He believes she has something to add, correct?
Ms. Patterson said absolutely. To clarify, we would not be doing this project without the City. It
would be irresponsible, specifically for water quality, for us to go improve the stormwater, to
move polluted stormwater more quickly. That was almost the genesis of our first partnership. We
had catastrophic flooding in the area. Residents were distraught because of the level of fun ,
even before Hurricane Irma. But we had to keep telling them we had done as many small PqeN
we could to the stormwater, and without a significant change with septic to sewer, ther
nothing more we could do, so the restoration cost became a negotiation point. We'reAk4ysw
looking for ways to improve.
Secondly, on funding, we've already had conversations about how the C
specifically how we can partner better and be more successful. We were
first round of grants. But where else can we go? Septic -sewer is a very
the State. We know that septic doesn't work well in areas like thi d
challenge in Golden Gate City, but we will be partnering to the gr
already agreed that it is counterproductive for us to compete a ains a
stormwater will stand alone and we will fund as we do our water
our efforts to a joint pursuit of grants to the benefit of rem essn
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sfiil in the
now all over
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ch other for grants. So,
projects while we dedicate
[A break was taken between 10:26 and 10: 40 a.m
2.C. STAFF GENERAL COMMUNICATION
2.C.1. Affordable Housing — JakeV
anager, Housing, Grant Development & Operations
Mr. LaRow presented a PowerPosentation: said that he wanted to acknowledge Maggie
Lopez, Financial Operatio Ma40ger with CHS. She is here in case he gets a question and doesn't
have the numbers. She' r guru and he thanks her for helping with this. And Joe Trachtenberg,
chairman of the Am ble sing Advisory Committee (AHAC), is here. At the conclusion, he
wants to invite Job * saedk a little bit.
This is collecti7been
mber of programs that we have rolled up into Collier County assistance
programs e'resentedto the Board a number of times over the last couple of months,
related r Emergency Rental Assistance Program, most recently on May 24.
Eftygenjv Rental Assistance Program: Through the month of May, for the first time ever,
Co ity Human Services, in conjunction with the Clerk's Office, dispersed more than
$500, 00 in rental assistance to qualified needy families in the community. As of yesterday, we
stand at approximately $5.8 million disbursed. The number in front of you is the amount remaining
that isn't already dispersed or encumbered. What that means is families that have already qualified
for future rental assistance, we're counting that money in terms of future expenditures.
Household Assistance Local Fiscal Recovery: This is commonly known as the American Rescue
Plan. The County received about $75 million and we will be taking another amendment to the
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Board shortly. Of that $75 million, approximately 10%, about $7 million, has been set aside for
rental and mortgage assistance. Those familiar with the CARES Act funds that were implemented
and administered in 2020 and 2021, the income targeting largely mirrors that in terms of we're
trying to make assistance available at higher income ranges than is allowed under Treasury rules
under the ERA program.
Emergency Solutions Grants: This is an entitlement program we receive grants for annually. Under
the CARES Act, we received a supplemental allocation of approximately $3 million. Of th we
have $568,000 remaining for rental assistance for households at risk of homelessness or t a
homeless. ESG funds typically target households at 30% AMI or below, but with this par
tranche of funds, we're able to assist households up to 50% of AMI.
The Emergency Home Energy Assistance Program: This is pretty self-explana for
households with someone age 60 or older that have past -due electricity bills
Vice Mayor McCabe said when it says funding available, she though e i ese numbers
include what's already encumbered, or is this not unencumbered.
Mr. LaRow said this is not encumbered.
Vice Mayor McCabe said so the $8.7 million for Emerges e tal Assistance is not
encumbered, correct? • ��' v
Mr. LaRow said yes, and that's inclusive of bot � and the ERA 2.
Vice Mayor McCabe asked if there was e
it on when that funding expires.
Mr. LaRow said yes, ERA 1 is Se' pber 30, 2022, and ERA 2 is December 30, 2025.
Vice Mayor McCabe ask�l wh�j/Ehe division was between ERA 1 and ERA 2.
Mr. LaRow said we,*eLeRWAabout $9 million for ERA 1 and $11 million for ERA 2.
Vice Mayor NLcCabl%ilid it's potentially expiring and he wanted the public to understand.
Ms. Lop maid KLer6 was a big number that was put out there to the public, $6 million was the
unexp n of ERA 1. Out of that $6 million, there were funds that are encumbered, so
wha;q*6,n er is reflective of is unencumbered ERA 1 and ERA 2 funds
McCabe said with the ERA 1 does the not spent go away on September 30?
Ms. Lopez said that's correct. Out of those funds, that's about $2 million. We have been seeing a
major reduction in that because, as Jake explained, we spent over half a million in expenditures
last month, so that will shrink.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said we're real close to consuming that entire amount.
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Vice Mayor McCabe said that's his point because we've heard this on the radio and the news.
There's been a major push and we really don't want that to go away. He's glad to hear that. For
those out there listening, make sure that you hear that.
Commissioner LoCastro said we're more than chipping away at that $2 million, which is
obviously the goal.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said we've even had discussions about encumbering and still it.
Council Member Petrunoff said given that it's an emergency, what is the turnaround? re
your metrics around turnaround? These families are often in crisis. How quickly is it r as
reviewing the application, or getting the dollars in their hands? O
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Ms. Lopez said we're moving as fast as we can. Fortunately, our Board has ' ZNed us using
additional personnel to dedicate to that. We've been using volunteers, we' be n continuing to do
outreach events. We have one that I'm scheduling for next week. She' e in tails worked out.
We're constantly putting that effort in to review those applicatio d em processed as
quickly as possible. When we first initiated the program, 120 days ur oal turnaround time.
Now it's seven to 10 days. We have incorporated a pre-screA
'ng p cess, so an application gets
reviewed as soon as it is submitted. We really are trying to for our metric to be within 48 hours
to return all the documents required to move their appli o o ard.
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Council Member Petrunoff said so it's no lon2es, it is now seven to 10?
Ms. Lopez said that is the standard, but yes,AVZferstand that it's an emergency and it needs a
quicker turn around than that, especiallyVso
many families that we're seeing needing
assistance are getting three-day evi e , 120 days is not helpful to those households.
Commissioner Saunders said our ClCrystal Kinzel, audits all of these in this program. Her
turnaround is very, very q 'ck. Sj#t's dedicated some staff to make sure that within a very short
period of time, a few da om the date that they get a completed application, they can approve
the funding. So, we' or ' in that direction to get it as fast as possible.
Ms. Lopez sai we t weekly with Clerk of Courts staff to review all the documentation and
answer any que ey may have.
Vice M0WAQpCabe asked if other funds were expiring.
a w said the Emergency Solutions Grants ends September 30, 2022. The ERP funds have
a Ion helf life. That's expended by 2024 or encumbered by 2024.
Commissioner LoCastro said that we have an AHAC meeting once a month, which was
yesterday. He was on a Zoom call with all the elected officials that are on AHACs statewide. One
of the things we talked about is the misinformation out there. There's a lot floating around, but
folks that say, "Wow, I applied on this date and then I got paid on this date and it was about 190
days." We count when we get an actual valid application. Some people apply and we say we need
these three documents now and we never hear back from them.
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One of the things we're doing with additional staff is being much more aggressive calling
applicants back to say, "We need a copy of your lease." We just can't give you free money based
on you writing a number on a document. Where the clock starts is to help them as aggressively as
possible get a completed, valid application and quickly process payment.
Elected officials who represent AHACS statewide are all having a very similar challenge. He likes
what Collier County has been doing, which is using many different resources to speed up t
clock, but it's really to get that valid application and then have it get paid. People on socia e
are complaining that they applied in January and never heard back. Well, you did hear a
you were missing four documents, so we can't give you $5,000 just because you put name on
the back of a postcard. O
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That Zoom call provided a lot of good information that made him feel even " t%about what
we're doing here. He wants to give them some of that feedback. A lot of it s immg. We've been
really working hard to tighten it.
Mr. LaRow said these are the individual assistance programs we highlight because they're
the ones that are quickly turning out to help folks in need. In r latio to the interlocal discussions
and agreements that were mentioned previously, we do hav ual entitlement grants, two of
which are between the City and the County. One of the a t recently approved by the City
at its April 6, 2022, meeting, the Local Housing AA * , LHAP.
The SHIP Program/Local Housing Assistance Pl AP: This is a three-year agreement. There
was a lot of great discussion and some feedba the Council at that meeting, so we're going
to revisit it and take those notes into cons dera for future discussions. Now we can improve
that process with the collaboration ihfg d with Council Member Blankenship's presence at
the AHAC meeting yesterday. LHQeecomes effective July 1, 2022.
Urban Coun1y Consorti This is another interlocal agreement. The Urban County Consortium is
our CDBG programat' ther entitlement grant we receive and that agreement was effective
last year. The Zarticii
les participated and we also go to the City of Marco Island because they
are a potentialwith their Urban Consortium. That's a three-year agreement and we have
a couple of yeat comes up again.
Here a ck numbers in terms of the sharing resources that go to the County versus those
tha d in the City of Naples. From 2001, the historical figures we've received for the
ty s ow there is approximately $50 million in CDBG funds. Of that, just a little over $3.3
milli as been distributed within the City of Naples. The bulk of that comes through public
infras ructure projects. The most recent one was for street lighting, which was almost $700,000 of
our allocation last year that went for that project. About $100,000 went to some down -payment
assistance homeowner rehab programs for several years.
SHIP: We recently received our money, the allocation that we're going to receive for this next
year, which is down $564,000 from what we anticipated and we had distributed previously for
planning purposes. Of that, approximately 95% is the County share. That share is determined by
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the State and it's purely population -based. Over the last 10 years, approximately $200,000 of SHIP
funds have been distributed to assist households within the City of Naples. Likewise, those through
down -payment assistance programs, home owner rehab and new construction systems, eight
households total.
A quick overview on the SHIP program and strategies:
• Homeowners looking to repair their homes to make them more livable.
• Some are looking to purchase a home through down -payment assistance programs A4ew
construction.
• Demolition and replacement of manufactured homes. lz�
We have two years to commit and three years to expend. The State does have pre lit
timelines, so we have to be flexible and nimble when we develop our plan. We,�a ceed
income limits per household size. The BCC approved the Urban Land Insti IV y and adopted
the Community Housing plan in the fall of 2017.
Those items in green were actions that were taken independently, s of the original
considerations, such as government wages and minimum wages. ar did act on some wages
for County staff at the beginning of this year, and State actin on th minimum wage. Those in red
are actions recommended through the Community Housin but at the time were either
considered and not pursued by the Board or declined o i t
Re _ug latory-Relief Initiatives: These focus on
housing, density a key component to make pi
recently heard by the Planning Commission
moving those to the Board and it's sched^
i housing, specifically affordable
and feasible. These initiatives were most
�y 19, 2022, and they voted to recommend
a hearing on June 28, 2022, for transmittal.
Land Development Code: The correMlLnding Land Development Code amendments will likely be
heard by the Development Services A&Fisory Committee mid -summer or late summer and those
will be paired up in the fa;j►as coopanion items for Board's consideration and potential adoption.
The other four boxe it�that were discussed and the Board provided direction to staff at that
meeting on the 22 A AC met over several months and in their advisory role to the Board,
they wanted to ake rmanent source of financing, either through the Local Housing Trust
Fund or some o chanics to support affordable housing. One of the directions from the Board
at the ti as t irect staff to evaluate a mileage equivalency to bring back to the Board. The
Board' orkshops on June 16 and 17 may contain that discussion.
ati of County -owned or publicly owned land was another direction from the Board on June
28th, at is currently going through staff with real property management in Growth
Management trying to identify properties that are the most viable for potential development for
affordable housing. That is slated for discussion on June 28, as well.
The infrastructure sales tax has been in place for some time. He believes it was approved in 2018.
The Board on the 22nd approved a budget amendment, essentially putting that $20 million for the
Affordable Housing Workforce Land Trust in a separate account. The next step here is that on June
28, staff will be bringing that item to the Board with suggestions on how to move forward to
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identify potential uses for the $20 million. The only potential use for that is acquisition of land, so
we can't finance construction or any type of other related cost. That is one of the major restrictions
that we have to acknowledge when we develop recommendations to consider.
Vice Mayor McCabe said when you say acquisition of land, does that mean barren, no structures,
just acquisition of property, period?
Mr. LaRow believed the Legislature said acquisition of land, only land.
Attorney Klatzkow confirmed that. lz�
Vice Mayor McCabe said so if you purchase a piece of property, but you only g o hat the
estimated land value is, can that be used?
Attorney Klatzkow said yes, it could.
Vice Mayor McCabe asked if you have a piece of property wort m . n, but the land itself
is assessed at $8 million or $10 million, it could be used for this p o , f r the land portion of it?
Attorney Klatzkow said yes.
BCC Chairman McDaniel sai
Vice Mayor McCabe said he j
Mr. LaRow said the blue box is ide
linkage and an affordable housingA
AHAC subcommittee that was nresf
to bring back a recommendation for
proposals that were submiAed. ***
These are a number
potential was.
D
X a consultant to complete a Nexus study for
That was a recommendation that came out of the
► the Board on the 22°d. The direction was for the Board
tant. As that currently stands, staff is still evaluating
that are coming online, already leasing up, and some that
have had some iml�eady.
Allura: The de nt has affordable housing commitments that were entered into and agreed to
through oa He worked with the Collier County Public School Systems on marketing and
adverti r school district employees because of the location, which is adjacent to or near
No ap iddle School. They're doing an incremental lease up, with the last of the six
b 'ngs being fully leased by August 15, 2022.
The Harmony on Santa Barbara (the Bembrid_e�): The developer was at our last AHAC
meeting, Chris Shear with McDowell Housing Partners. He indicated that the project is currently
40% constructed, so they are on track to be occupied in November or December of this year and
that just broke ground in early March of this year. That one has a long-term ground lease, so the
County owns the land underneath. We also have a developer agreement. That project was initiated
through an invitation to negotiate in 2019. As a result, through that partnership with removing the
cost of land from that development, they were able to secure other financing through the State,
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low-income housing tax credits, etc., to successfully construct that project.
Cadenza and Allegro at Hacienda Lakes: Those also are being constructed by the same developer,
McDowell Housing Partners from Miami. Those are sister properties and are slated for completion
the first half of next year. One still must close on financing, but we anticipate that to occur shortly.
BCC Chairman McDaniel questioned whether Cadenza and Allegro were on County owned land.
Mr. LaRow said they were not on County owned land.
BCC Chairman McDaniel asked what AMI stands for. ,lz�
Mr. LaRow said it stands for Area Median Income, which is $96,800 here.egetting
BCC Chairman McDaniel said he wanted him to specify that because th a lot of
phone calls because housing is based on AMI and the public doesn't k AMI or that
amount is.
Mr. LaRow said they'll have flyers translated into SpanishA—
Council
Mr. LaRow said that was correct and it's aIJjf3§0TntiI the end of September, $2 million of it is
unencumbered and that was inclusive of ZI
1 and ERA 2 programs.
Council Member Hutchison aske ny of the funds are at risk of expiring and not being used.
Mr. LaRow said $2 milli o is unAcumbered. We haven't spent it.
Council Member H hi aid that's a significant amount of money.
Commissioner LoC p said that's a significant amount of money. We still have applications
waiting and we ved more applications. We've been doing a lot of education. We feel
strongly tJ4 $2 ilhon is being chipped away at every time we get an application.
Co ber Hutchison said he hopes there's an opportunity for us to collaborate moving
f Vardmake sure we effectively communicate the opportunity we have for these funds. Many
pe to his 7-Eleven stores and tell him they need this type of assistance. If there is
messaging we can do on gas receipts, clothing receipts, etc., we should do it. The City is willing to
collaborate with messaging and to do our fair share.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said the flyers are a wonderful way to disburse that information. Of
that money that's there, $2 million, the burn rate is $500,000 a year.
Council Member Hutchison said that's real help going to the community.
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Commissioner LoCastro said your offer is an extremely valid one. We're going to be putting
some fliers in utility bills in July and August. NCH has been providing information in a weekly
newsletter, how to apply, etc. We're asking Arthrex and others to disseminate this information.
We've been trying to flood smaller organizations. We even had TV ads.
Council Member Hutchison said people are consumed with how they're going to make these
payments, if they can get mortgage assistance. Consider messaging boards, something eas :eed
mortgage assistance, etc.? Those are ways we can effectively communicate.
Commissioner Taylor said to sum it up, we're in a crisis. There's no question. At thA 4in , the
State is not helping us as a County. We're just reacting. That's all we had, a time ft!Mke to react.
Kristi Sonntag's office has increased its employees by 12 as of our last meeting& ,}Aire getting
volunteers from Leadership Collier. Everyone is in high gear. No one Brea e would be so
much need out there.
Commissioner Saunders said 450 units will be going online qui about the 400 plus
units at the Golden Gate Golf Course?
Mr. LaRow said we've been working with Jennifer Belpe o. We're 99% into that with the long-
term ground lease. There are other elements of the proje e go infrastructures or
transportation items that have been raised. •
BCC Chairman McDaniel said it's an imI
private developments, with a percentage of
Course projects are County -owned projects
'friction, that Allura, Cadenza and Allegra are
ty added in and The Harmony and Golf
ity and they don't really. We lengthened the
whole period from the previous 15- tN400-year because of what we were seeing transpiring.
We changed the entire ROI on that a development criterion, these projects with our County -
owned land and to purchase land there. e other will be held in perpetuity. Does it need changes?
Mr. Trachtenberg sai Ke
poke to Steve Kirk last week, the CEO of Rural Neighborhoods. He
hoped to break gro 2023. Right now, a lot of this is in the hands of staff, who are
resolving several ' ei),►,Tha s the developer's projected timetable and he's building between 350
and 400 houses. TheTkal number is to be resolved.
Vice May &MclCab'e said that given $2 million expires in September, what is the average award?
S. d it was $9,000 and last month, it went up to $10,000. That's the average initial
r est. ERA can pay up to 18 months of assistance, so they'll come in averaging that off the
bat. can pay up to $10,000 initially and we're hoping that the additional 259 applications
come n at the average that we previously saw, $9,000 for initial requests. That would get us to that
$2 million. Since our last Board meeting two weeks ago, we've already received over 100, so
we're well on our way to meeting that target to reduce that $2 million.
Vice Mayor McCabe said he wants to make sure the public understands the average award and
the $2 million available. You're talking about a little over 200 individuals or families and making
sure that we're using that money. At your rate of applications, it sounds like we are going to be
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there. But let's make sure we overachieve and start using not just the money that's expiring in
September, let's make sure we're using ERA, too.
Ms. Lopez agreed. One of the things that we want to make sure and educate the public on is that
when we talk about COVID impact, it's not just having COVID yourself or a family member. It's
having housing instability during the COVID pandemic. A lot of people would be very surprised
that they fit into that category. An increased cost in housing with not getting an increase in
household income puts you in financial instability and housing instability. e
Commissioner LoCastro said the biggest misconception is when they come in at
have COVID, so I didn't even apply." We're trying to educate the public. He putnewsletter. We all have. We're trying to get it out by saying, even if you're unsur,
this is significant money. It might be worth filling out the paperwork to makes
have a COVID impact. It's not the same as if you were in the ICU or the ho r COVID.
That's probably the biggest misconception. Our education process is why r seeing more
applications. People are realizing they could have applied, but the sca hat this money is
not in perpetuity. Some people have been paid for well over a ye nd been benefiting from
these programs, but they have a shelf life at some point, so that be''t scary thing.
Vice Mayor McCabe said as Commissioner Taylor said, a in'a serious crisis. This money
could expire and we might not spend it. We need to ram . nformation. This is very
encouraging, that what is being done has acceleratdd i e ill be on a path to use it. For those
who are listening or those who know someone, e sure that you get out and if you have
the need, apply because the money is there. Ther 's one sitting at these tables or sitting in this
room who wants that money to not be spent.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said th ered money is at risk of a clawback from the federal
government. He even asked if there clawback if we encumber it. He doesn't want to obligate
our taxpayers on $6 million. It was a h a million or some lower amount that would be worth
taking the risk to ensure th t the �Aney doesn't go away and goes to the people who need it.
Vice Mayor McCab rai everyone for doing a great job and accelerating it.
Mayor Heitmann a d Mr. LaRow where we are in the conversation with the school board, as
far as acquirin and affordable housing. Are we partnering with them?
Mr. L i e attended a very long school board meeting two weeks ago and spoke about
thes c ool Board Chair Jennifer Mitchell, who also sits on the AHAC, has been having
t e dis ions with Superintendent Patton. They're discussing it at an upcoming board meeting
on 4.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said he spoke with her yesterday.
Mr. Trachtenberg, Chairman of the AHAC, said he applauds Jennifer Mitchell, AHAC member
and chairman of the school board, for aggressively pursuing an attempt to free up some excess land
that the school board has and that they've been extremely reticent in the past to even consider
utilizing for possible affordable housing. He's very hopeful that Jen is going to have success. For
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the record, we're not suggesting that they give up future schools, but there are several 4- to 6-acre
excess plots available that could be utilized where schools already have been built. There are areas
where schools aren't contemplated and we really think this is a very smart thing to do.
He agrees with everything you said. Commissioners, and Commissioner LoCastro especially, have
done a tremendous job helping to get the word out on the money that's available, but we need to
keep in mind this is 18-month money. That's the maximum. Let's not confuse this with solving the
affordable housing crisis. This is going to provide relief for some people that are in deep p but
it does nothing in terms of helping us get to where we ultimately need to be.
In his job, it gives him great hope to see this group meeting today, with this body of 14t� rs
present. It's really an acknowledgement that we do have shared problems and he meetings
like this will lead to shared and combined solutions. He believes they already ile the
geographic lines that define the City and the County are clear to the people ' oom, it's
curious how mystifying this is to a significant portion of our population. t Its in the County
get their mail delivered to Naples. I guess it's natural that they think t s they live. The
interdependency between our City and our County goes far beyo am e share many
wonderful assets and we equally share many vexing problems. Ou s ith water quality are
always at the top of the list. What's happening in the Gulf, N les y, Gordon River, all of our
tributaries, will likely have more impact on the commercia e of this region and our wellbeing
than any other single area. We share common problems t c s our region grows and so many
sought-after resources are located in the City. •
We've to of better address the movement of e le the less populous areas into the City and
g p p p Y
back out again. We share responsibility for t ing crisis of lack of affordable housing. In this
respect, we're not unique, and that's actu od thing. Cities and counties like ours all over
Florida and all over the United Stagy g the same problems. Land and building costs are
rising, interest rates are going up an je people we need to provide essential services can no
longer afford to live within reasonable )Smmuting distance to their jobs. Ignoring these problems
is a bad decision by goverWent Aders.
We must be cogniza at t brings people to want to live here requires availability of the
support required t a tain ese desired lifestyles. This doesn't just include our policemen, our
firemen and E Ts. I of just our teachers. It's not just our health-care workers. The majority of
people who per se diverse but vital jobs that we require make about $15 an hour. That's
well and 0% ercent of our newly announced AMI. They staff our stores, they clean our pools,
they m s, they collect our trash, they prepare and serve our food, they repair our cars,
etc. Noe people who work with you every day in the City and County offices fit in that
Vcat ry. Try to imagine life without them. He can't. So, the good news, as he mentioned
befo we're not alone facing these problems. The playbook on what we collectively must do is
really clear.
In a nutshell, it's about spending money to help acquire land. It's about changing fees and zoning
and density rules to allow the finances of these projects to actually work. It's about being more
creative with new approaches to buildings in terms of size and shapes and multiple uses. It's about
speeding up the processes. We can't afford to spend four to five years from inception to
groundbreaking or moving, so we're playing catch-up and the hole is getting deeper. It's also
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working together to resolve traffic issues because these things go hand in hand.
Most everyone recognizes the need for this kind of housing. They just don't want it near them. So
it's also about us all standing up and explaining to the people who live in the County why we must
proceed to build affordable housing, sometimes near them. He's pleased to be able to report today
that we are making progress. These Commissioners are doing good. There are a lot of new ideas
coming up and more to come. There's more awareness that there are other things that we need to
do, so he's here on behalf of AHAC to thank you for your commitment to assure that Napl �nd
Collier County remain at the top of the list of where people want to live.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said we appreciate your assistance. It's nice having that o
leadership. O
Mr. Trachtenberg said it's a joy for him.
Commissioner LoCastro said if you saw Joe Trachtenberg's resume, Uve sitting in a lot
bigger jobs elsewhere, doing a lot of other things, but he's really 46dicafthimself. He applied to
be a member and then we had the AHAC Chairman job open. An s his hand and got a
unanimous vote. He has added so much acceleration to our A AC ard. Maybe every day hasn't
been a joy, but we're dealing with a tough topic here. YestRee
we had our monthly AHAC
meeting and one of the things we've talked about at AH.gs, which started a year ago,
was beefing up the attendance. It's not just about d'b hquorum, but who's really in the
room, so we've worked hard to invite citizens an e s. We had a guest speaker yesterday
who was a senior official from the Florida Housi alition, the group that he had a Zoom
meeting with just a couple of hours after our , so it was timely. We're adding a lot more
meat to those AHAC meetings, getting a eat ideas and hearing from disgruntled citizens
and business leaders who think the s advertise things. A lot is coming out of those
meetings. Not only did we have one our Council members attend, but we also have added
permanently to our meetings, when pos�ible, somebody from our Planning Commission. We have
several more attendees no fronVur County staff, so it's not just the housing team, it's the folks
who work in Growth M gement, the folks who are talking to these contractors on a regular
basis, Mike Bosi, Ja Fr , Trinity Scott. These are key folks that add to our AHAC meetings,
which has lengthe intings, but the meat that's coming out of those meetings is significant.
He didn't reali e ho ificant and how valuable the meetings have been until the Zoom meeting
that included e ted official on AHACs statewide. It was run by the Florida Housing
Coalition vi al y every county, with a few exceptions, attended. Some of the things that
came eeting are not so much what we're doing, but what some counties aren't doing.
We c aring notes.
We ways do better, but it was amazing how many significant counties, counties the size of
ours, imed in when we all got a chance to speak. One of the questions by the moderator from the
Florida Housing Coalition was, "How many AHAC meetings have you had?' It was great to be
able to say the first Monday of every month, without fail, and we've even had a couple of
additional discussions. Other counties said they'd had one this year. This is critical. Some of his
takeaways are that we are doing a few of the right things, but we definitely can do better. There
were some counties that asked basic questions about the ERA program, how much is left and when
it had to be turned back, yet here at our meetings, this is a topic of common discussion.
We talked about best practices and some of the things that have come out of our ad hoc meetings,
such as putting flyers in the utility bills, TV commercials and how some of our main companies,
such as NCH, have been advertising aggressively. Those weren't things he heard from other
counties, such as using County land for affordable housing. So that's where the whole
conversation stopped and everybody chimed in. The County doesn't own land, taxpayers do, so
when you make it sound like, "I wonder what we're going to do with our land," somebody who
lives 10 miles away that helped buy that land through their taxes might not be so excited a t
building affordable housing. When he spoke about one of the initiatives we're proud of, is t, a
when we see these developments being built, we always ask the question, "Should a c4e lt��_
percentage of these units include affordability, whether it's 10-30%?" It varies. Whe lked
about that, few counties chimed in and said they were doing that. Everyone is loo�for the 20
acres to build the giant high-rise with 600 units for the working class.
When someone cited that as an example, another County representative tal d out what we
always call NIMBY, Not In My Backyard. A colleague from another n they don't use
that term anymore. They use the term CAVE, Citizens Against V all erything. So when he
talked about how we're trying to find more of a balance and how ry g to take smaller or
medium bites out of the apple by spreading it out and making .t pa*f what we talk to a contractor
about, he was really surprised that ohers didn't say, "Oh ye 11, e're doing that as well." It was
sort of a silence. We can do more. On June 28, we've g u rdable Housing Advisory
Committee making a presentation to the Board o Co issioners, so there will be a lot of
information.
Anything that you can push in our direction, o Jake, Joe or myself, we're all on the same
team and we're really working hard to br ' t . One of the things that that came out of the final
conclusion of the Zoom meeting wjj'lbkefficials statewide is there is no one solution. There
are going to be more than a few cou5n�6s that wind up returning some money. You could just tell
by what little they talked about, that th()rre not trying to make their program much more
aggressive. They're still 'ng tglgure out a few things. It was a good overview for me to talk
with others in a similar t to see if we were doing everything possible.
We are open to anything. but f you had been at the AHAC meeting yesterday, it was almost
standing -room only. 11ve are sometimes three-hour meetings that Joe runs and a lot of great
information co 16f them. The senior official from the Florida Housing Coalition who was
our guest ake yesterday talked about things we're already doing. He also talked about counties
of equ hat they're doing or not doing. There was no epiphany of, "Oh, we've got to
rea this one particular thing we missed the ball on." We're open to any ideas that you
h . Th e are no borders. It's all Collier County to the average citizen. His worry is exactly what
Joe s ' that there are some people that have benefited for well over a year and have gotten funds
from ese programs, but if they haven't been putting money away or the housing market stays the
same and more federal dollars don't come, the big explosion will be when checks stop coming.
Some of the negative feedback we get from folks living here is that units are expensive. But some
of the checks we were cutting were for some people that live above affordability. He wants to give
a shout out to our Clerk of Courts, Jake and Kristi Sonntag. We're working very hard to make sure
that money just doesn't fly out of this building. Anytime you apply for federal dollars, it should be
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a little difficult. It shouldn't just be that we cut you a $10,000 check for the next 18 months. So we
figured out a lot of ways to speed up the process with more people, but some of those suggestions
have been to make the application process easier or shave steps out of it. This is a federal program
that we're executing and we want to make sure we're doing it properly. Thanks to Joe and his
team, we're wide open to anything he might hear from citizens, people who want to attend our
meetings, whether it's a landlord or somebody in the business community who could give us some
feedback or help us in any way. We certainly would be open to it.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said he's a huge proponent of data, and transparency forces
accountability. One of the first things Commissioner LoCastro did was go through all t o is
we've approved. Virtually every single project, multifamily, both ownership and ren a a
affordability component built into them and he went back through and brought fb^ w th
transparency, those that are being held, those that aren't and what was being d use there's
a lot of missing information. That's one of the first things that he did with h' C involvement.
It's allowed our Board to look at and see the efficacy of what we're puttin o ard. We're
approving units with a percentage of affordability. How many are actu n ground now?
How many are actually being held in affordable status? How ma re a lly being put forward
to be utilized? So, thank you. That's really helping my decision- g forward here.
John Harney, of AHAC and Habitat for Humanity, saideNvIe been talking about apartments
this morning, and that's what this is about. The Nationa s on of Realtors reported today
that with the increase in mortgage payments, comprise crease of housing prices and the
increase in the rates, the average payment is goi 600 on a new home mortgage. That's
going to drive a lot of people to apartments who a een looking at houses. We need more
apartments. That's what this whole problem ' . .
This isn't going to be about buildinVyV44dos or building more luxury homes or building
homes, single-family homes. It's goip* to be about apartments. That's how we're going to solve
this problem because that's where the *nbers are needed. We're way behind, we're thousands of
apartments behind right now. If V add up all the numbers that Jake was talking about and some
other numbers that I do 'think he mentioned, there are about 2,000 apartments in the
pipeline. That's not h en you need more like 10,000 right now. Apartments are largely
going to be on ma' s ets, nd we always talk about traffic costs of infrastructure. These major
streets already have er lines, they have sewer lines, they have electric. Streets are built
up. People are g so much anymore. Uber is used instead of cars all the time. No car if
you live i ci so a lot of these infill developments that we do with apartment buildings are
really e a big difference on traffic.
T traf t�iat we have out there, the cost of infrastructure that we have out there, they're all
emb . We've already paid for those, so it's not going to add to our overall cost. If you look at
overal affordability for somebody, the cost of using a car is very substantial, about $9,500 a year.
For people struggling to meet their monthly rent payment, not having to use a car by building infill
and by building smaller buildings, lower then 3-, 4- ,5- stories, and scattering them around the
City, instead of concentrating, that will keep people out of cars and in the City, where they're
going to their jobs.
There was some mention about the number of people in the County who are making $15 an hour.
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It's actually more like 60% of our residents are making less than $30,000 a year. It's a huge
number and it's all those categories that Joe was talking about. The part Habitat can help with is
we can build single-family houses. We can build duplex -type villa houses, triplexes, quads,
townhouses, condos. We've done all these or we have plans for every one of these right now, so
Habitat exists in a very small part of this because we're selling homes. But we have current plans
to work with a market -rate apartment builder on the same property we will be building those
condos on their property, so what's going to happen there is that ...
Council Member Blankenship said he didn't want to repeat any ideas, but he has a coup
have a unique opportunity in the County and the City to significantly increase our funde
coming year. From what he's heard, our property taxable values are going up by do igi s this
year, so he knows the County and the City have other needs that we all have to m ug
decisions on and balance out. But we have a really good opportunity to set asi significant
funding on an ongoing basis to tackle the affordable -housing crisis, so hope our budget
discussions and your budget discussions over the summer we can make th p iority.
The second idea is syncing up our bike plans across the County f*aLlan:9NIfatfon. The public -
transit plans have been recently updated and we're in the process ti g the City's pedestrian
and bicycle plan. To the extent we can look for gaps to close, hat ' 1 help. As Mr. Harney said, a
lot of people can't afford cars or want to give up cars. May e e bus schedule doesn't work for
them, but biking could. For people biking in from East Naples to work, there are some
challenges. One is the Gordon River Bridge and e mg discussions with FDOT on
ways to improve that. Maybe there are some othe es like that we could work on together
that cross the lines between the City and the Co u t improve bike trails and build better
networks moving forward. So hopefully we AEf�`J dower our staff to work together on that to see
where we can cooperate and build better for our citizens.
Mayor Heitmann asked if they cou onsider changing the day of the AHAC meetings because it
conflicts with City Council meetings a workshops. Council Member Blankenship and others
would like to attend.
BCC Chairman Mc nie id her concerns are noted.
Mayor Heitm nn as What mechanisms are in place now to ensure that future commissioners
don't change th goork that we put into place until we accomplish these goals? How do we
make sure so di v this?
BC an McDaniel said needs are going to change. One of the maneuvers he put in place
i ex ion of the period from 15 years to 30, to be held in perpetuity for government expense,
Ian d , government facilities projects and subdivisions. They are held in perpetuity because the
need xisted in 1981, when he came here and it changed again and again for the last 40 years. And
it will change again in 10 more years, so there has to be latitude by elected officials that are
coming forward to be able to adjust and meet the community's need based on the prevalent
circumstances.
John talked about transportation changes and people working more from home and with the advent
of Al and AV, the transportation requisites are going to shift in the next 20 or 30 year, so we need
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to provide for as much of the need as possible. Is it perfect? No. Are we making moves in the right
direction? Absolutely, and having the flexibility for those adjustments in the future are there.
Mayor Heitmann said absolutely, and she supports that. There should be something in the comp
plans that can't be changed so we achieve these goals. But as we know, these positions will come
and go. To have those mechanisms in place would be very important.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said we had a discussion with the folks from ULI when they c and
talked to us in 2017. They talked about a supply -demand ratio, our population growth issu n
said we needed to be putting 2,000 units a year into the system. Since he became a co 1 er,
he's approved 9,500 units and shortly after we had our first meeting back in April a�y, amie
elk
shared with him that we will approve 9,500 units and only 1,600 are on the groun^ere s a 36-
month timeframe from a developer that has a pre-app meeting until they get a re are far
more in the inventory process than what John shared, so there are 10,000 u ' ,000 units that
have yet to hit the ground, and a lot of this has to do with supply and demand. en you have that
voluminous of a reduction in the supply, it puts a lot of pressure on, ant add in the
population increases and such, which is exacerbating the circumsl; eA
Council Member Christman said some people offer ideas a out h�v the County might be able to
provide greater financial contributions to the City for thingtINe beaches and septic to sewer. Let
me turn it around. We obviously have a tremendous pro affordable housing, especially
affordable rental housing. There's more we can o T t C ut there are some really practical
limits because of the geography that is the City, ility of land and the cost of land. We
can do some things, but there are practical limits. W ecently commissioned and received an
affordable housing study that showed that 6°/ o e people that work in the City live in the
City. That's everyone from lawyers, to d rr health-care workers. The reality is that there will
be more opportunities to find sites f woMe housing outside the City than inside the
City. Within a certain geographic aarpeople who might live in those affordable housing projects
may well work in the City, so there's aalue in at least remaining open to partnerships between the
City and the County where develoment could occur outside the City, but within a certain radius,
three miles, five miles, City could be a financial partner in that development. We should
remain open to that b us f the benefits it would provide to the community at large. It's the
kind of thinking w Id r main open to and find out whether there could be some opportunities
for those kinds -Of na rships.
Commis ' er Itmiders said he appreciated him saying that. These projects work much more
efficie ere was a partnership for the 400 units at Golden Gate Golf course. It's a
pa aples Community Hospital is looking to do a partnership to try to develop more
h ing r nurses and that's working, so any kind of a partnership with the City would be
appr ' ed. But that becomes a funding issue. He'd love to have more conversations with you
about hat. That type of partnership will work and will make things move much more quickly.
Council Member Petrunoff said you mentioned GMP and density. Can you talk more about
density, where we're headed?
Commissioner Taylor said it's where a developer wants to take us. Density is in the Growth
Management Plan under affordable housing, so when they want to exceed the density
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requirements, say 12 units per acre, you would say, "OK, you can exceed it if you do 20 per unit
and you set aside X percentage toward affordable housing.
A discussion ensued and the following points were made:
• Hold periods for affordable -housing unit set asides were extended from 15 to 30 years.
• PUDs with affordable housing have been successful.
• There were negotiations on the percentage of units, AMI and grades of affordability- that's
becoming more of a conversation as zoning applications come forward.
• One of the changes to the RLSA, the far eastern lands, was that the land owners amlwd lip,
put into the Growth Management Plan for that area, that a certain percentage of 11gXt
be set aside for affordable housing. " *4
• The County and citizens are checking to ensure that nurses, EMTs, fire fi to and others
are living in the affordable units that were approved to ensure those reC*re is are met.
• The County had a similar meeting with the Marco Island City Cou *hey agreed they
should continue the conversations.
• Density bonuses, if developers provide affordable housin , are w t % for workforce
affordable housing and developers have agreed to that.
• Density bonuses will generate a lot of workforce affordabl ousing over the years.
• Developers don't want to lose money on a develop t, bu density bonuses also make it
harder for a developer to get the prices they origina ded to make it profitable.
• The Conservancy is concerned the rules could a the eastern lands.
• The RLSA is a voluntary program that in clustering housing and increasing
density to reduce the impacts on the over
• One developer agreed to go set aside affordable housing due to the market we
have, but that's going to change.
• The County needs to ensure n' accept a plan that doesn't belong in a neighborhood
just because it has an affor component.
Attorney Klatzkow said that bet.Veen your comp plan and zoning, you've got vested rights for a
certain number of units. et s say it's 18 units per acre. If you wanted to say, "If you want
additional units on th a centage of those have to be affordable housing." This is a pure policy
decision. A develo r n al ays say, "No. I know what my vested rights are." But if they want to
put on greater densi an is allowed, we can certainly ask for a proportion of that density to be
affordable houl r that, as BCC Chairman McDaniels noted, it's become a numbers game
with the d�yelo r a to the price points, and given today's construction costs, what they could
Taylor asked him to opine on the State's position on affordable housing
Attorney Klatzkow said you've got vested rights for a certain number of units. The State's
position is that you have to make a developer whole, which is no policy at all, so they put the onus
on local governments. If we're going to require development, do inclusionary zoning, etc., then
whatever the developer's loss and profit is, you've got to make it up to him. That's what the
Legislature has done, so we can no longer dictate to a developer that you've got to put in X
number of affordable housing units. We can do it as an incentive: We'll give you extra units if you
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do this. But you cannot dictate anymore.
Commissioner Taylor said there was no real affordable housing component required in the rural
villages.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said that's not true. (The following was added from the affordable
housing discussion during 2. C.2.) We have approved three rural villages that then got converted to
a town in eastern Collier County and there is a housing -affordability component within tha .
Commissioner Saunders said he doesn't disagree with what you just said, but the req
may be somewhat illusory. For example, the Conservancy has said that there's langu4 w at
we've approved for those villages dealing with workforce housing that may soun d on the
surface, but it may be illusory in terms of whether it will actually be workforce . He plans
to discuss that language at our June 14 meeting, so you are right that there i ge there, but it
may need to be strengthened.
Commissioner Taylor said there is no requirement.
2.C.2. Water/Quality Resiliency — [Trinity Scott, deputy dep rtme'�t head, County Growth
Management Department/Andy Holland, Interim Director, CN Streets & Stormwater Department]
Ms. Scott said Jerry Kurtz, our Road and Storm
Johnson, our Capital Project Planning, Impact F
To quote our County Manager: Stormwater is w
stormwater management system. We have t S.
personal properties, as well as to ensure opfporQo
welfare. Stormwater management i ifo
to our water quality.
rate ll%�ntn`Mce Director, as well as Beth
raynctwork
ogram Management Director, are here.
at. The County has a very large
lace to protect our individual and
is available for health, safety and
us to protect our natural environment with regard
The County has regulatory equ.Vhents. We must follow the Clean Water Act and perform
stormwater manageme
tivities in compliance with our stormwater-discharge permit. We have a
very diverse system, fe
e system. We have over 370 miles of storm -sewer pipes that must
be cleaned and m ' a' d,
7 miles of roadside swales, 648 centerline curb miles of streets to be
swept. We coll ct lot storm
control structur
debris annually, as well as cleaning inlets, and we have major
The fo sample of projects being undertaken by our Capital Project Planning Impact
Fee ram Management Group. Some of the projects that we're looking at not only look at
c truc b' ity (can it be constructed?), but how do we maintain it in the long-term. We have a lot
of in cture in the ground that unfortunately, 40-50 years ago, when that was put in place, no
one really thought about whether we have an access road to be able to get to clean out a
maintenance area. So those are things that we're taking into consideration now, so that we're not
being penny wise and pound foolish.
The Freedom Park Bypass Ditch: The project is substantially complete. Freedom Park is an
extensive water -quality area that the County looked for the water quality performance of the
Gordon River. Along the northern end of Freedom Park is a bypass ditch that was taking water
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directly into the Gordon River. What we have done with our Freedom Park Bypass Ditch Project is
increase the conveyance channel to allow more water to flow through it, but those flows are now
redirected to a spreader swale, thereby severing that direct connection. So now this water is going
to flow through those wetlands and be able to enhance the water quality before it's ultimately
discharged into the Gordon River, so we're really excited about this project.
The Golden Gate City Master Plan: Golden Gate City is very diverse. Some folks are on water and
sewer, some of are just on water, while some are on sewer and some are on septic. It's like the
patchwork quilt. We have survived the Governor's line -item veto into the State budget andwe 'll
receive a $500,000 Legislative appropriation that will be matched, $500,000 by the Co
develop a master plan, phasing and funding strategy to be able to look at stormwater Pingthe
outfalls, water, septic -to -sewer, roads, sidewalks system, lighting, perhaps even lq 4 g a FPL.
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Essentially what we've done with the Goodlette projects, where we've kind n this holistic
approach for the project management, we're going to be doing the same t i Golden Gate
City and really figuring out a master plan to be able to convert that. AtIN
Mr. Holland said the City's Stormwater Management is governe
S�ormwater Master Plan,
which was last updated in 2018. It's updated every 10 years. 's o
uiding document for
stormwater programs, projects and policies. Most recently, of the
great things that came out of
that master plan update was our stormwater ordinance c c es,
where we increased the
retention requirements for all developments in thg it' c d g single-family
homes.
The Beach Outfall Project: This has not been an 44sjofoject. Nothing about this project has been
inexpensive, but it is a very important proje een called the most important water -quality
project in the City, so the goals there are VAvie storm resiliency and reduce flooding.
He drove along Gulfshore Boulevar Saturday morning after the storm and there were several
feet of water on the road. That's a co on occurrence on Gulfshore Boulevard related to these
pipes discharging directly' to th*/Gulf of Mexico. This is the condition of the beach outfalls.
There are nine existing es on the beach that directly discharge stormwater into the Gulf of
Mexico. This is wha oo 'ke after a rain event. You can see soil runoff discharging into the
Gulf in the shore 's a of of tannins and leaf debris that is broken down and other pollutants
from the City sLorm system.
These pipaWlsolauk beach erosion, so as that water is flowing, it's scouring the sand and then
the dry'f behind fills that scour in. Water quality has been a huge component of this
pro' o R Oay one. There are extensive water -quality improvement components planned for this
p ct, s chi as improving the sea turtle habitat. We've lost turtle hatchlings inside the wood
pilin a need improved beach access for beachgoers. We've had injuries, cuts, and scrapes and
things from kids playing on the pipes and the boards.
The City Lake Management Plan: It covers approximately 30 lakes citywide. About 20 of them
receive runoff from the public right-of-way. That 30 lakes don't include golf course lakes, like
Bears Paw Estuary. Our Lakes Management Plan prioritizes which lakes to improve. There is a
ranking of priorities based on a combination of different water -quality parameters, bacteria,
nutrients, total suspended solids. Currently in that high priority list is Swan Lake. These three
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green stars are actively under construction and are wrapping up. Red stars show where we'll be
going out for design this year.
Commissioner LoCastro asked if the water is filtered. Does a can go through the pipes?
Mr. Holland said there is no filtering. Some grates do catch debris, and our crews scrape them
after every rainstorm, but finer mesh filters would cause flooding. The Swan Lake Water -Quality
Study pilot program is a very comprehensive look at water quality in Swan Lake, which is
Parkshore. The Venetian Village shopping area is just off to the left on the other side of t
bridge. This is a large drainage basin that includes areas of U.S. 41. The Park Shore PI a, Ore
Burlington Coat Factory and Fresh Market are, discharges into Swan Lake. We belieat a
portion of the gray area, of the County area, Momingside, also discharges into Sw ake. This is
a really close look at pre- and post -storm water quality treatment or water -qua ling, pre -
and post -treatment water -quality sampling.
We're currently applying a bacterial product that's supposed to eat the u e bottom of the
lake. This is to avoid dredging, but another thing we're doing is s ' en sting because that
biological doesn't address heavy metals in the sediment. That's on in , a d we have a lot of
preliminary data that we're sorting through now. 1
This is another lake that's active
that was just graded. A lot of ou
recreating that slope and putting
a new pervious trail there.
up. That's a littoral shelf
eery steep, so by
ality benefit. There's also
Swales: We don't have ditches in the Ci� ounty has a lot of deep drainage ditches, three -
and four -feet deep. The City relies hat are roughly six inches deep. We're installing a
lot of inlet filter baskets. That's wha e're proposing for that Beach Outfall Project to capture the
debris, garbage and dead animals that d up in the stormwater system. Vegetation maintenance is
a really effective means o educeg nutrients, so cattails, as they grow, they're taking up nutrients.
If we harvest them, and can do it all over again, that's a way to reduce nutrients in these ponds.
Street Swee�i� , w purchased a brand new second street sweeper. Sweeping is well
known to be o of th ost effective best management practices for removing nutrients and
bacteria from s er systems. The City also has a fertilizer ordinance and the blackout period
went into WiLect June 1 st.
Re 'ke City conducts basin assessments. All the red circles are completed or ongoing
bi ass F ssments. In this project, we're taking a look at the City's existing level of service and the
exist tormwater infrastructure in these drainage basins and modeling that to see how we're
doing and then applying sea -level rise and applying a higher level of service, a higher stormwater
event and seeing what we need to do to address those flooding concerns in the future.
This is one of the results/deliverables of those basic assessments. All the red areas are flooding
areas during a 25-year, three-day storm event. A lot of these areas are also very low lying. We
have roadway elevations in the threes and fours, so they're very impacted by tides and sea -level
rise. The device you see on the right is a backflow preventer. They're actually simple, but pretty
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ingenious devices that prevent the tide from backing up into the stormwater system. The picture on
the bottom right is an actual installation of one of those. It's inside the pipe.
He's joining with Natalie Hardman, the City's new natural resources manager. She started in April
and came from the DER She's going to help with a lot of natural resources issues. This is one of
her projects, the Oyster Reef Restoration. We have three sites. Two are complete and we're
planning on doing the middle one in 2023 at Site 2 in Naples Bay. There are actually three
manatees in the photo.
Vulnerability Assessment and Climate -Adaptation Plan: The City completed its vulner
assessment in 2020 and we're working on starting our adaptation plan, how to addrezScerns
related to sea -level rise. 0-
Commissioner Taylor asked how this solves the problem of not polluting t of Mexico,
when the pipes that you're constructing, the stormwater is still dumped int e ulf of Mexico,
but just a different distance.
Mr. Holland said we are installing 100 or more inlet filter basket e owed you in the
miscellaneous improvements slide. The pump station has a n nent parating baffle box, which is
a series of baffles that won't let things into the pumps. An 're increasing the retention of the
three -lake system — North Lake, South Lake and Alliga a , hich all flow to one of the
bigger outfalls, so we are doing a lot of things up t% ove water quality prior to it
reaching the pump station and getting pumped farrr
BCC Chairman McDaniel asked if they'd —luck on the bioreactor we visited.
Council Member Blankenship sa' JQoing to bring that up as an example of where we
could work together on improving r quality. We all want to improve the quality of the Gordon
River in Naples Bay. He and BCC Cha an McDaniel and others had the opportunity to see what
Bonita Springs is doing w' its lAreactor. That might be an opportunity for us to collaborate, if
we get our staff to wor ether on deciding where or how it might work, so we could have a pilot
project to improve t ate ality of Naples. He'd love to do that.
BCC Chairm Mc Niel the preliminary data coming out of that bioreactor that the City of
Bonita Springs a assist in the stormwater management was off the charts for the nutrient-
reductio po nt. They actually found that they build it as a free-standing unit and it requires
contin so they're in the second phase of installing a pump to pump out of the Imperial
Riv a that continuous flow when there isn't rain, in order to keep the efficiency of the
p ct a% ally working. He'd love to do that. We talked before about the septic -to -sewer and west
of 9 at canal is a direct feed into the Gordon River to Naples Bay, so anywhere along those
lines if our staffs are listening in, he'd love to see us explore that and have a look at a joint venture
on a couple of those just to help with the effluents that are in that canal system.
Council Member Blankenship said we have a new Natural Resources Manager and City
Manager, so the time is right to take on that important initiative.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said that relatively speaking, it's not expensive. The total project cost
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was $1.5 million, even with the pump at $750,000 to build and another $750,000 for the pump to
move water in and out of the Imperial River. There was an enormous amount of reduction in
nutrients. It was off the charts. Any other questions on stormwater-water quality?
Council Member Christman said that a couple of years ago, the State passed the Clean
Waterways Act, a big piece of water -quality legislation that's still going through implementation.
They're finally getting around to developing a new stormwater-management rule. He's sure
County and the City staff are aware of this. It just went through a technical advisory comm e
process and now it's going to go through a public process. The last time the State tried to
something like this was over 10 years ago and it never got to the finish line then, so it's es
since we've had an updated stormwater management regulations and it's truly impo or e
whole State, including Collier County and the City of Naples. He wanted to flag t ecause at the
Commission level and on the City Council level, we ought to be learning abou ngaging in
it to make sure that it comes out in a way we'd like to see.
Vice Mayor McCabe said that as Andy said, we in the City of Naples as tormwater
ordinance requiring property owners to retain the first inch of wa n t roperty. Does the
County have anything like that. He asks because, as development s the City of Naples,
it's not new development, it's redevelopment. You're tearing own house that is at 25% lot
coverage. You're putting up a house at 60% lot coverage. means there's not as much going to
be absorbed, so it runs off, which means you're increasi t o me of stormwater continually
and exacerbating the problem that's already ther . f Naples took a look at it and said
we'd take it to the next level to make sure that as are being developed, retention happens
onsite, so that we're being proactive about not c ti ng the increase.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said the shorts is yes.
Vice Mayor McCabe said that's an ortant component of making sure that we are using the
land for what it is, the filter system tha was designed to do, so that as the water runs off into our
gulfs, etc., it is done right.,
Mayor Heitmann a*d i�e,County has a fertilizer ordinance.
Commissioner,,SauriMp said yes, we have one that's different from the City's. We don't have a
blackout perio ught in fertilizer experts from the University of Florida and their
recomme tion was not to have a blackout period. He spoke to a Marco Island City Council
memb nd t4gilhave a blackout period. That council member had listened to the testimony we
had aihat he wished that they had not done that, so we may need to take another look at it.
hat as the basis of ours. We brought down some well-known nationally known experts to
tell u w best to draft that and that was their recommendation.
2.C.3. Army Corps of Engineers Update — [Amy Patterson, County Manager]
Ms. Patterson said that about a year ago, we were having a discussion about the Army Corps
Project, which is three years and $3 million in the making. There was a lot of controversy involved
in that, some mixed feelings from the community, particularly related to the walls, floodgates and
things like that. As we all know, the Army Corps has asked for more time. They had a number of
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issues, including some environmental concerns, the feasibility and cost of the project, and wants to
take this up their chain of command to look at options and then have a chance to come back to
Collier County as a whole, the Cities and the County and all of our constituents, to see if there is a
different way to approach this. So as of now, the Army Corps is still evaluating options.
Many of you have probably seen the October letter that laid out four different options. The most
attractive to all is probably the beaches only, higher, wider beaches and some flood -proofing of
structures and some protection of critical infrastructure, but much less impactful, as far as t
footprint on infrastructure and the hardened structures. We believe that the Corps is leaninAh
They are continuing to work this through their channels, so I'm here today to tell you w
continuing those conversations with the Corps. .�
We're nowhere near ready to commit to anything with the Corps, including co on. They
need to figure out if this is something they're even interested in pursuing, a dly, what does
that look like, timewise, and what does it look like moneywise? At that po in ime, when they
come forward with a proposal, that will be the time we begin public e . That includes
with our Commissioners, with you, as City Council, Marco Islan ver es City and all the
interested stakeholders.
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We have very significant takeaways from the last process, ' ding how we engage with the
public, so reassurances to all of you sitting here, as well a the viewing public, that this is
not going to be done in isolation or in the dark. ear i Pappear and say, "We're engaged
with the Corps and just deal with it." There will open and public process that we go
through and as soon as we have additional info ti , we'll begin that engagement with you as
the elected officials.
Commissioner LoCastro said that * ilitary commander days and being a base
commander, he worked with the AA Corps a lot. Here are a couple of takeaways. They always
recommend crazy, outlandish things w*n money is no object. We heard from the public, "Oh my
God, you know these big 'ant cgcrete steel walls on the beach?" The Army Corps recommends,
we decide. But here's o hing to keep in mind. If we give them too much pushback and say
we're not interesteZ>",
cr nd outlandish, the Army Corps is in popular demand across the
country.
Maybe we don fie funds because they're sometimes tied to federal funds or all kinds of
things. B ha e the option and to say "no" to an Army Corps of Engineers report, even with the
outlan ' , your chance of getting the federal dollars or even a discussion is almost zero.
Yo t the misinformation from the past report is and we've gotten them to sort of tone
d tha p ge because they're wasting time on these crazy, giant things. In the end, you cherry
pick ings you want to do, or you do nothing.
He had big reports coming out of the bases he commanded, and we thought nothing in this report is
doable now or affordable now, but at least we have it. And then you stick it up on the shelf, and at
least it was good analysis. A lot of times buried in the reports aren't crazy projects, but really good
research. The takeaway is we're not going to build a 20-foot wall, but what they just identified for
us was an area of our community that is fragile and vulnerable, so you do want to embrace their
science and their help and not necessarily put a bad taste in their mouth. Most importantly, we
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need to make sure the public understands that even if we get a report this thick with things that are
a billion dollars, the Army Corps just recommends and we decide. They don't force feed anything.
Getting that information out, he hopes this second draft of the report is a bit more palatable and
much more presentable to the public than the last ideas that were floating around.
You want to be really careful about kicking the Army Corps to the curb because we may need
them for all kinds of things, and we don't want to be on that list where they say they came down to
Collier County, spent years and millions of dollars and man hours and were on the front pa but
the County didn't even want our report. That doesn't help any community.
BCC Chairman McDaniel said that's a long way of saying that we're going to eng it the
Corps. We're going to take as much of the information and data that we can get fr Whe orps
and then make the decisions accordingly for what's best for our citizens.
Council Member Christman said he has the pleasure of representing Ci o cil on the County
Coastal Advisory Committee, so he brings that perspective to this. It's ' t s that we ended
and began the meeting at the same place, talking about beaches
. orps study is broader
than just beaches. It talks about sea -level rise and resiliency and c a c nge, but ultimately it
impacts the beaches. What people aren't aware of is that Funj 195, e money that comes from the
Tourist Development Council for beach renourishment eac ar goes into Fund 195. Today,
there is $46 million in unexpended money in that accou built up over the years because
the annual contribution to it has not been fully spgiii.,�
This year, we are not contemplating any beach-r o 'shment projects anywhere in the County,
including the City. If that ultimately holds,Wathere's no hurricane disaster this summer, that
money has to be used. We'll have over $Weeding n that fund. He's bringing this up because of
the beach-renourishment issue. The of our beaches is really such an important
issue for us to continue to try to wo';f
ether on because you've got some money sitting in the
County -administered account, butpublicly accessible beaches in the County are in the
City, so we have a mutual A tergAn finding a way to work together on this in terms of what we
need to do and how mo that are already within our hands might be used over a period of years
to make sure that we' de with beach nourishment and inlet management. The Doctor's Pass
project is an exa that. e need to try to work together to do the right thing in that area.
3. PUBLIC TS
Nancy L 's sa she wanted to add a point of clarification regarding the villages. The Affordable
Housi lly Bel
Village and Longwater Village, 80 or 88 acres were set aside to
ac9afordable
affordable housing. Up to 880 units for either the County to purchase or an
a eveloper to come in and build on at $22,300 per acre and the developer was exempted
frmpact fees. The other affordable components are from 12 to 16 units per acre. Most of
thunits have been given 25 units per acre.
Commissioner Saunders said that's why he called the commitment illusory because we have to
have someone buy that property and develop it and that may not happen, so we might want to
tweak that language. He'll be bringing it up to the Board.
BCC Vice Chair Solis said one of the big components and driving forces of the Mental Health and
Addiction Strategic Plan was NCH. They announced last week that they were closing their
psychiatric facility, so we will no longer have that as a resource in Collier County. They're just
going to push the folks that they would have taken in and treated to the David Lawrence Center.
That's going to stress the system even more on what we've been working so hard to do. That
caught me by surprise and it caught Scott Burgess by surprise, as well.
We have committed to building the central -receiving facility, which is the place where all the
mental health and addiction services will start, and take that function out of the jail and bui ome
capacity for the future. Part of the discussion has been whether that can be a mental-healt s 1
facility, as opposed to just a central -receiving facility. It seems that issue has become g A w
because of this decision by NCH. He'd like to come and speak to City Council. We' he
middle of the budgeting process, but more so now than ever, we need to get the e ommunity,
the City included, to help us build the facility that we need to build. The Count ls,�Ammitted
$25 million of its surtax funds to help us do that. It's going to cost more thagefikA,,Construction
costs are going through the roof, so we're going to far exceed that. _kl IF
It's going to be a facility that serves everyone. It's good fiscal po�_!,
itodfor public safety
and this has thrown a curveball into what we've been trying to dos g icant because now we
won't have a hospital facility. Physicians Regional doesn't pr vidose services and now NCH
announced they're not going to do it, either. That's a signif t issue, especially for seniors. We
had The Willow come in and they're trying to changes e it facility. They are licensed and
it was certified as a psychiatric hospital. But they, A �'o er certifications. They're working
on that, so he's not going to say that they we wo a ome capability in that regard for people
who need psychiatric care and medical care. Thi 'ss really affects seniors because up until now,
it's been predominantly seniors who are on e e who need psychiatric and medical
care. We've been sending them to Park�1 spital in Lee County. That's how we've handled
that. This is going to create a bigge X4&i he hopes to engage the City in helping us solve it
because there really is no answer, of than a total community buy -in and dealing with it, a
commitment.
Commissioner LoCast aid the $25 million facility is now about $6 million more to build the
same size facility, so ea nswer always is that we'll just build a smaller facility for $25
million. It was a 5 0 qu e-foot facility and now it goes down to 40,000 square feet. A lot was
packed in at 5 000 s e feet and now with NCH's announcement, 56,000 square feet is more
important than don't want to address it down the road. This central receiving facility is so
critical. T uil t smaller when the need has grown? We want to act before we start and put a
shovel d incorrectly.
C mis over Saunders said there are a lot of things that we're working with the City on. When
we plVout to the voters, the 1-cent sales tax, we generate $490 million over a seven-year
period Once that $490 million is reached, the sales tax sunsets, so it could be six years instead of
seven. About $70 million of that is distributed to the three cities. He doesn't know how much the
City of Naples gets.
Vice Mayor McCabe said $25.5 million.
Commissioner Saunders said that's money that maybe in 2017 would not have been anticipated.
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The tax was approved in 2018. There may be a way. Commissioner LoCastro, to move money
around a little bit in that fund, not the City fund, but the County fund. There is some flexibility
there, and that's a County Attorney question, but we may have some projects that we can change.
He mentions that because he (Saunders) got a bit testy saying you don't want to look at the County
as a cash cow. Beach parking, for example, is a small -ticket item when you start looking at
everything we're doing. He appreciates the ability to work with the City. In years past, it wasn't
always that way. The City was not getting treated properly by the County. We changed tha ong
time ago and the working relationship has been extremely good. He wants to thank you fo�
ability to continue that good working relationship and emphasize that there are some bi
items that we're involved in and the mental -health issue may be one where maybe thsome
flexibility on your part with that $25 million plus that you're getting. We have a lO
t we're
involved in together. �
Commissioner Taylor thanked the mayor and the Council because there' e marked change
and a very positive way with her leadership on the Council to foster a n hese kinds of
relationships, which is so critical to our future.
Mayor Heitmann said that on behalf of Council, our manage and aff, we thank you for making
this efficient, and for your partnership in many programs a moving forward. It's necessary
and important to our residents that the City and County her. We look forward to
continuing the conversations. 0 ^�
BCC Chairman McDaniel agreed for his colleaZ�4nd County staff and said they should not
wait too long before meeting together again.
4. ADJOURN
There being no further business for a good of the County, the meeting was adjourned by
order of the Chairman a 2:S1*.m.
COLLIER COUNTY BOARD OF
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
WILLIAM L. MCDANIEL, CHAIRMAN
,CLERK
These minutes were approved by the Commission/Council on
as presented , or as amended
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