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DASAB Minutes 03/15/2022M,arch 15.2022 MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF COLLIER COI.N{TY DOMESTIC ANIMAL SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD Naples, Florida, March 15,2022 Services Advisory Board, in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on this date at 6:00 PM in REGLILAR SESSION at the Domestic Animal Services Training Room, Davis Blvd., Naples, Florida, with the following members present: CHAIRMAN: Jim Rich VICE CHAIRMAN: Sarah Baeckler-Davis SECRETARY: Vacant Dr. Robert March Mary Baker Kelly Hyland Sue Law Cpl. Jim Spartz (excused) ALSO PRESENT: Marcy Perry, Director, Domestic Animal Services Kellie Carroll, Administrative Assistant, DAS Tom Kepp, CEO, SNIP Collier Jan Rich, For the Love of Cats Lia Hemphill Joan Campbell LET IT BE REMEMBERED that the Collier County Domestic Animal 1 3.A.2 Packet Pg. 52 Attachment: Animal Services Meeting Agenda - May 17, 2022 (22406 : Animal Services Advisory Board - May 17, 2022) March 15,2022 I. Call to Order Chairman Rich called the meeting to order at 6:02 p.m. II. Roll Call A quorum of six was established. III. Community Cats Chairman Rich said this is a DAS workshop and does not fall under the stringent regulations of Robert's Rules of Order. He therefore welcomes input from everyone, including the public, and you are not restricted to the normal three minutes. That normal three-minute rule is imposed in our regular meetings, provided you are discussing the topic we are here to discuss tonight. If you are here to discuss anything else, since this is a workshop for something specific, then you will be restricted to three minutes. Today's discussion is regarding our Community CAT program. We all know that the stray and feral cat situation Collier County has always been a major issue. Today, more than ever, as more and more people move into our area and as high inflation and the cost of living continues to force the underserved and working force to struggle, we can expect even more animal abandonments than in the past. Let's make sure we can at least help minimize the unwanted pregnancies of abandoned and stray cats by targeting known areas of concern. For instance, this would include places like Golden Gate City, Bayshore and Naples Manor. He knows this is a Herculean endeavor, but well worth any progress we can make, so let's get started. The current proposal for organization is simply a recommendation. The team members that are listed in this proposal were the first to offer to participate in this program, but are in no way exclusive to it. We welcome the input and partnership of anyone offering to get involved. We don't expect to finalize a comprehensive plan tonight, but if we can all agree on the responsibilities and commitments of each party, we should be able to proceed with a coordinated effort in the near future. s We still have to go under the auspices of DAS and we certainly cannot vote on anything tonight. We, as a group, can make commitments as to what we're willing to commit to and agree on that. He said people can contact Marcy or Jan, his wife. He will stay out of it. He didn't want there to be anything that could affect the Sunshine Law. The two of them can coordinate the final plan and bring it to the Board for the next meeting and then we can take a vote on it. This is a little bit different than the last workshop we had, so he wants to make sure that he's in compliance with everything. His first question is, is there anything in the initial proposal that the original team members - FLC, SNIP and DAS - would not be able to commit to? Tom, let me start with you. IV. Public Comments Mr. Kepp said he thought the scope needs to be talked about. How many are we really going to shoot for or put together? He has a real volunteer, somebody who really will go 2 3.A.2 Packet Pg. 53 Attachment: Animal Services Meeting Agenda - May 17, 2022 (22406 : Animal Services Advisory Board - May 17, 2022) March 15,2022 out and do this. She grew up in Naples Manor, so he's looking at that as maybe a starter Chairman Rich said absolutely. Mr. Kepp said so are we looking at 50 traps? Because then I think that to try and get homeowners to take traps ... I don't know where we're at. Chairman Rich said we were discussing that before you came in. Mr. Kepp said we've got to get the homeowners to take these traps and go and do it. He didn't think that was a good idea. The better way to do it is trying to set 50 traps. That's what we're going to try to accomplish. Then we take try to get teams of two in there and find 10 places that need it and those teams take five traps apiece and go to those locations and try to find 10 locations that really have a lot of cats, so we can really fill all five traps. I think that's kind of a real organized way to approach this. Chairman Rich said a lot of people don't know how to use the traps and that's why the original... Mr. Kepp said we can train them. Chairman Rich said, so you would go door to door and see if they Mr. Kepp said he'd get his friend Carina or he would go door-to-door himself and try to find, like the gas station over there or behind one of the restaurants. Ten homes or the gas station over there or behind one of the restaurants, l0 places where there's a real concentration of cats. He imagines that in Naples Manor that's not too hard. Chairman Rich said, No, not at all. Mr. Kepp said and then you just have to have 10 people who know what they're doing because they can have an assistant to go with them. And on whatever day that is, we assemble. We can pass out the flyers. That will get this out. That's a coordinated way to look at it and it's not that difficult. Ms. Rich said that may be a good way to start out, to be sure to get good numbers of cats, but she thought the whole thrust of large-scale trapping projects was to involve the public. It's going to take a while. Mr. Kepp said he agreed with that, but his point is, Let's just say we did that one day and we actually found five people in that community. You have five people who said they really want to help. That's a huge accomplishment. And then you do it in another month or two and you use them more. So, he agrees with Ms. Rich. He just thinks that if, all of a sudden, you show up with 50 or 100 traps or whatever we're going to do, and you start passing them out to people who say they want to do it ... Ms. Rich said no, no. The idea was to take volunteers into the neighborhood, pass out flyers the week before, on the Sunday before. Most of Naples Manor is predominantly a Hispanic community, roughly 75o/o, so people would talk to the homeowners. She was sure that they were not going to get a really great response the first time because people 3 3.A.2 Packet Pg. 54 Attachment: Animal Services Meeting Agenda - May 17, 2022 (22406 : Animal Services Advisory Board - May 17, 2022) March 15- 2022 may be leery and nervous. They're not sure, it's not proven. You're asking them to come the following week and pick up a trap in the Walmart parking lot, so people will have to come and pick up the traps. Then you would get the information from those people, but they're not responsible for tuming in the traps. The ACOs would come and pick up the traps and also deliver the traps back there. So, if there was an empty trap, they'd take that, too. Mr. Kepp said so you're talking about writing that information, "Joe Smith took five traps" and getting his address? The ACOs at the end ofthe day will then come and collect them all? Ms. Rich said if you do it on a Sunday aftemoon, they take the traps home and you get all the information. A homeowner takes them home, he sets him up, we give him food, we give him a towel to put over the trap and give him any other supplies that he needs. Then the next moming the ACOs come through. They've got a copy of all the addresses where all traps are, they're going to go pick up all the traps and bring them over to you, unless, I was talking to Marcy, unless the cat is sick and isn't well enough to be spayed and neutered. Then DAS takes the trap and keeps the trap and the cat until it's well enough and then it'l[ come over to you. But most ofthe cats in the traps would come to you and then the ACO would pick them up from you the following moming, because you're "hold ovemight," right? So they would come and pick up the traps and redistribute them. Mr. Kepp replied, right Ms, Rich said so then the following moming the ACO will come and pick up all traps and this way we would keep track by registering. Mr. Rich said those traps would be limited, maybe 20 traps? You tell me how many people. How many cats do you could do, 25? We wouldn't give them more than 25 traps. You know that they're not going to be filled, but we'd rather you have less than if you'd be overwhelmed. I think we need to start small and start building. Mr. Kepp said he was thinking of bigger scale but he was thinking of shutting down the clinic for a day and doing nothing but feral cats. Chairman Rich said you can't count on it getting that many. Whereas if you start with a small amount, you wouldn't have to shut your clinic down and you could figure you'd have a maximum amount, which would still give you room for X amount, if that makes sense. Mr. Kepp said sure. He just hoped we get all the traps back because he's got volunteers. He has volunteers and they lose them. Ms. Baker said she thought what you're was saying is important because people don't know how to set the traps, so if you are distributing those flyers ahead of time to build interest in it, could it be a thing where you could pair some of the people in the community with your volunteers and you could train them to correctly set up the trap and then they can train others? And then when you go back and do it a second time, maybe not as many volunteers have to be there because you already have people in the community who were paired with somebody who knew what they were doing. 4 3.A.2 Packet Pg. 55 Attachment: Animal Services Meeting Agenda - May 17, 2022 (22406 : Animal Services Advisory Board - May 17, 2022) March 1,5- 2022 Chairman Rich said so when they're out, if they were coming to us, we would physically be there with them. So you would have a comfort level. Ms. Rich said that's why she chose the Walmart and Naples Manor. Ms. Baker said even if he wants to have people go out into the community where the traps are going to be set, and have people that work with people there, just to give them a little hetp. That will give them a little more confidence. Mr. Kepp suggested they work on both aspects of it. He could go and see if he could find 10 places with Carina for a couple ofdays and find 10 places where there's an abundance ofcats and there are people out there that will help. He'll come to the group and say, "Look, we've got this as a start," we can get 50 cats. We could do it and then in the meantime, we start with the plan, like what you're talking about. Then later on, we can do that from the (Walmart) parking lot, because the people that we have helped will come get them. He couldn't tell you how many times he's given people instructions and they clip it on the handle and the cat goes out. I tell them to make sure you do this and they tum it backward. Ms. Rich said she just zip-ties the trap Chairman Rich said they were talking about buying extra traps. Havahart traps don't have a back. We have several good ones that are $ 100 each. Havaharts are much cheaper. We could buy Havaharts for about halfthat. Mr. Kepp said Havaharts are easier. We have 30 or so, where you do it and just touch it. It's easier than opening the back door. They have a hair trigger. That's what we have. They're all good suggestions. Ms. Baeckler-Davis asked if someone could remind the group about what the legal framework is for going into neighborhoods and trapping cats. Can anyone just go find an empty lot and trap a cat? Ms. Perry said if it's private property, you need permission from the homeowner. You can'tjust go in somebody's property and put a trap out. Ms. Baeckler-Davis asked ifthat's what's envisioned, getting permission from property owners? Chairman Rich said absolutely. That's the whole idea with flyers. We have people requesting this. And we may be trapping some oftheir own personal cats. Ms. Baeckler-Davis said she wanted to raise what Sue mentioned in the last meeting. Are we trapping the free-roaming cats, the low-hanging fiuit or is it a welfare concem. Who are we going to be targeting? An even bigger picture than that is that she knows there are all these brilliant databases and everyone knows about where all the cats are in our community. She and Marcy have talked about looking at the data in terms of where calls for services are for cats. Many of you, not me, can rattle offa colony here, a colony there, so there were records when we had the colony or whatever the framework 5 3.A.2 Packet Pg. 56 Attachment: Animal Services Meeting Agenda - May 17, 2022 (22406 : Animal Services Advisory Board - May 17, 2022) March 15,2022 was that we don't follow anymore in terms ofpeople adopting colonies. But she asked if they could take a step back and try to collect the data all together in one place, about where the most concentrated areas are. Chairman Rich said Phyllis, he and his wife know where the majority are. They get calls constantly. Ms. Baeckler-Davis said her understanding of community cat trapping and TNR is if you don't concentrate very strategically on the highest concentrations ofcats, you might as well not bother. There are many people here who know more about this than me, so you can correct me if I'm wrong, but ifyou get five out of a colony of40, the rate of reproduction is going to be such that you're not making a dent. So, from the HSN perspective, she didn't object to the plan. But if we're really talking about large-scale, let's figure this out in a community. Her suggestion on the first step would be to make a map and if it's a SurveyMonkey or in some cenftalized location, all the people who know where they are in their heads can get this all on paper. If we want to make a big difference on this issue, which I think we all agree we do, we need to be strategic about collecting the data before we dive in on targeting anyone in particular, so that we can focus on those populations where we know if we hit75% of those cats, we're going to stop them from reproducing. Chairman Rich asked where all the data is coming from. Ms. Baeckler-Davis said they could start with SurveyMonkey or whatever it is and ask everyone to put their data all in one place, unless it exists already in one place. Chairman Rich said it does not. Ms. Rich said that the last time they had a discussion on this issue and looked at how we could target communities in the most need of community cat intervention, Domestic Animal Services ran reports for us with the numbers ofrequests and information that they were receiving. And we had a grid ofall ofthose. That was about l0 years ago. Ms. Baeckler-Davis said that can provide the basis to update it. In l0 years, communities can change. Ms. Rich said it hasn't changed Ms. Baeckler-Davis said they should put it all in one place. There's a female in heat that's out and you would not believe the number of tomcats that 6 Ms. Law said she gets calls from people who say there's a friendly cat here and it must have an owner. Every apartment complex in town. River Reach is huge. Everybody moves out and leaves their animals. She had a camera on a house in River Reach and it looked like downtown New York, with cats coming by. And they literally would knock on this guy's door and he opened the door 400 times a night to put out food. It was crazy. Right now, she's trapping over at Saint Paul's Church, Timberwood on Davis. Again, it looks like New York. 3.A.2 Packet Pg. 57 Attachment: Animal Services Meeting Agenda - May 17, 2022 (22406 : Animal Services Advisory Board - May 17, 2022) March 15.2022 are coming up on her camera and the strong scent of urine all along the fence line. She was in Naples Manor this week looking for three tiny puppies and none ofthe residents were really worried that three tiny puppies were out running around the streets. Every house had a fence, so it was really difficult to get around. Like I said, none ofthem were concemed. My moderator lives in Naples Manor and she doesn't see cats. The day that I was there looking for the puppies, she didn't see a cat. Ofcourse, she knows cats come out at night so ifshe goes over there at nighttime, it's probably New York again. But all the apartment complexes are definitely a place to target. Chairman Rich asked Ms. Perry what it would take to gather those numbers again. Ms. Perry said she'djust have to contact her Chameleon database software program because all those reports are curently under construction. She could get those stats. Chairman Rich said if there were cats in known areas, we should start there. We can get statistics. Ms. Baeckler-Davis said she does't object to trapping and TNR, but she believes they should be more strategic about the data and intentional about the data. She asked if free- roaming cats that would be terrified should be targeted. Ms. Law said she liked Jim's idea of going in and befriending the community and people bring in the animals so they have a basis of trust. Then those people like what we did for them and are going to help us get the cats that are causing problem for them. I know he's been out there forever. Mr. Kepp said there's a problem he often runs into. Someone says they've got five cats and they don't want them there. He tells them he'll catch them and bring them back. They don't want them back. No matter who he calls, they're full. There's no right answer for this. You just have to release them. He doesn't like it, but that's the way it is. If someone says don't release them, give him a number. Ms. Rich said one of the reasons they're targeting Naples Manor as the first neighborhood is that according to studies conducted by the Community Foundation of Collier County on different neighborhoods throughout the county, Naples Manor has the highest percentage of low income families and the largest. Statistically, they stand out. Mr. Kepp said statistically, they are a good target. He asked if anyone was trapping in Port Royal. He said he can get to Naples Manor, Golden Gate City, Immokalee and restaurants and cats are everywhere. He offered to trap and they can do all the analytics and tell him where to go. He wants to be a part of the program. They should start with Naples Manor and see if they can find some really bad places. He will help. Chairman Rich said the idea was for this to be a partnership, people going to an area and letting people know, or people going to Walmart and handing out traps. We're all working together. Mr. Kepp said he's there, but he's just going to do some surveillance. 7 Chairman Rich said he also liked that idea. 3.A.2 Packet Pg. 58 Attachment: Animal Services Meeting Agenda - May 17, 2022 (22406 : Animal Services Advisory Board - May 17, 2022) Ms. Law told him to go to St. Paul's Church and get the female. Chairman Rich asked what the Humane Society Naples could contribute to this partnership or did they want to wait and see? Ms. Baeckler-Davis said HSN is evaluating what they can do. She doesn't feel they have enough information yet. Chairman Rich said it's more effective if there are 20 or 30 cats and she comes out with the bus. Ms. Baeckler-Davis said she didn't know tonight what their contribution could be, but HSN could host the data collection. That doesn't have to delay starting this project. She thought it will be really valuable for the community to really dig into the data. Chairman Rich said this is something that a lot ofus have been doing for 20-plus years and we have a lot ofdata and a lot ofhistory in these areas. And for you to keep saying you need all this data, you're not listening to the people who've been doing it all these years. There aren't other areas with those numbers. Ms. Baeckler-Davis said that's not what she was saying. She just thinks they should take advantage of the data and expertise and put it in one place. She's analytical and doesn't feel they have enough data yet. Ms. Hyland said that while that information is being gathered, since everyone was saying Naples Manor, we can go into Naples Manor with volunteers and try to work in that area until the information is gathered. My first question is would there be some type of meeting or something with the volunteers so that everybody is on the same page? Everybody saying the same thing, everybody is doing the same procedure going in, so the community isn't confused about who these people are? And if there was an area targeted to try to make more ofa presence so it'sjust not like random people knocking on doors because people have Ring doorbells and cameras and they see people coming and if they don't know who you are, that could be an issue. Is it something where the Humane Society because they have a mobile unit, can make a presence. No one has (official) shirts on, or identification. It's random. So ifthere's something recognizable, like a van, it looks like we're together. Everyone has heard of the Humane Society. You can make a presence with that mobile unit you have. It looks more uniform and put together and people could relate. Ms. Baeckler-Davis said it's possible. She asked who would be doing the administration, oversight and training. The first option should be DAS. HSN doesn't have the capacity to administer that. She wasn't certain DAS did either. But if the idea is generated by the DAS Board, it's a DAS project, right? Chairman Rich said it's actuallv a collaboration. Ms, Hyland said ifthey had an HSN van, yellow shirts, and provided educational information, everyone can make a presence. They could get DAS presence there. pull everyone together. Bring kids and awareness, educate and let everyone know what's 8 March 15,2022 3.A.2 Packet Pg. 59 Attachment: Animal Services Meeting Agenda - May 17, 2022 (22406 : Animal Services Advisory Board - May 17, 2022) M'arch 15,2022 going on. It's going to fail if it's random people going door-to-door without a plan. Chairman Rich said they were making more out of it than we need to be at the start. Ms. Baker said it needs to go in the order you originally talked about. The flyers need to be distributed first so the neighborhood can be made aware about what's going to happen this weekend in your community. People are going to be here, there are going to be traps, this is what they're doing in your neighborhood. So they can be aware. Ifyou want to have a van there when it happens, so when people see that van and associate it, that would be awesome. Ms. Law suggested they could have a soft start, with the people who respond to the flyers and say they want to get involved. This could be done at their houses. Chairman Rich said volunteers aren't going to have the responsibility of setting the traps. It's going to be the responsibility of the people who say they want the cats fixed Ms. Law said she isn't talking about volunteers. She's talking about residents who respond to the flyer. You can'tjust put it in a yard, behind a restaurant, anywhere. People are going to mess with the traps, drown cats, let cats go and steal the traps. Ms. Rich said the traps will only be in the homeowners' hands for a night. Pickup would be a Sunday afternoon. They would go home and when it got dark, it would be baited where they normally feed the cats. They can put them at the front oftheir house in the moming for ACOs to pick up. It's one night. They won't have them for days or weeks. We had talked about talking to the neighbors a week before when distributing the flyers. You have higher odds of running into people on Sunday, having a face-to-face conversation and explain to them what you're trying to do. It's free, we'll provide the trap and food. All they have to do is put it out there at night. ... In the flyer, it gives them a week to think about it and talk to their neighbors. Even if we only get a few, ifthey have a good result, and they will tell their neighbors they can go to the Walmart on a Sunday and get a trap and put it out. Ifthere's a cat in it great, ifnot, great. The ACOs will pick them up. We should try to make it as simple and foolproof as possible to maximize our ability to maintain the trap inventory. Ms. Law said she prefers reuniting to TNR. She has a healthy respect and fear for the traps. Chairman Rich said it's very difficult to injure a cat in there. There has never been a cat injured in the traps. Befween him, Phyllis and Tom, they've done more than 70,000 without a problem. Ms. Law said if they forget where they put it, she worries about cats baking in the sun. 9 Ms. Baker said she thought that was part of the flyers they were handing out, to let everyone know that on these dates, this is what's going to be happening. What Kelly is saying needs to happen, but the more you add to this project, the bigger it gets. And that means you need more people and we're already questioning if we have enough people to make this work. 3.A.2 Packet Pg. 60 Attachment: Animal Services Meeting Agenda - May 17, 2022 (22406 : Animal Services Advisory Board - May 17, 2022) March 15.2022 Ms. Law said that's why it will only be ovemight. The ACOs will know how many are at each address and how many to retrieve. Ms. Rich said the residents will have to leave their fences open if it's in the backyard so ACOs can retrieve them. Her concem is that if there are a lot of vans there at one time, it's a low-income community with a lot of illegal immigrants and anything that looks like govemment will scare them and no one will talk to us. Ms. Law said she heard they wanted DAS to stay out of it. They may think it's a police agency and ifthey're not legal, they may run. Chairman Rich said they probably will be getting many of those homeowners' house cats. He said many people tell them they can't afford to get them fixed. If that happens, they'll be ear-tipped, too, but at least these will be fixed. Ms. Law asked how you can tell ifa female already is altered ifthere's no scar. Ms. Perry said she could show her sometime. Dr. March said their ear tips Ms. Law said rvithout ear-tips Dr. March said you'll see a scar, even if someone does a really goodjob. Ifthey're feral, they'll have to be knocked out and you would see tlat. Ms. Perry said that's because they don't know until they shave them. They do not shave them at intake, so they wouldn't know yet ifthey've been spayed. Ifthey don't see a blue tattoo line, they will assume they have not been spayed. Ms. Law asked if they'd be doing the ear notch. Chairman Rich said absolutely. DAS can provide the microchips, but they'll also assign them from here so they'll be the property ofDAS. Ms. Rich told Sarah that in response to how it will be managed, it won't be that difficult to manage. She and Marcy would be handling it. Ms. Hemphill said there are hundreds ofcats. She asked how the poor neighborhoods are going to feed their cats. chairman Rich said those cats are not starving to death. These communities love their animals. lt'sjust that the residentsjust can't afford to have their pets fixed. l0 Chairman Rich said DAS has agreed to do that. Chairman Rich said chances are that they're mostly feral cats and they're not fixed. Ms. Law said that on intake it says all your females are unaltered. 3.A.2 Packet Pg. 61 Attachment: Animal Services Meeting Agenda - May 17, 2022 (22406 : Animal Services Advisory Board - May 17, 2022) March 15.2022 Ms. Rich said it may not be in their cultural beliefs. Ms. Perry said any animal that may be trapped and is not a candidate for release, they will reach out to DAS. They may catch a 3- or 6-week-old kitten or a cat with an injury. If they're starving or sick, they aren't a candidate for release. The idea isn't all trap and release. We would network to see where that cat would go. A cat may go to the quarantine room. It's on an individual basis. Ms. Rich said the caregiver would be notified in those instances to tell them what's happening and when the cat will be retumed. And ifthey did lose a cat physically or one dies, the caregiver needs to be notified. When they come to pick up the traps, there has to be a disclaimer that something may happen to the cat and may not survive surgery. And they will be vaccinated for rabies. She didn't think they could do the entire neighborhood. We need to work in quadrants in Naples Manor. It's huge. Break it up street-by-street. Once we have success, they will tell their neighbors and the next time we do it, we'll have more people. Ms. Campbell said it's very spread out. Ms. Hyland asked Sarah when HSN could be involved. Ms. Baeckler-Davis said she doesn't know the answer yet. She believes they have an opportunity to make a significant investment. This feels like a pilot and you have the resources you need for what's envisioned and then scale it up from there. She said to go for it and then see what the gaps are, then scale it up from there. But she doesn't want to target cultues. Ms. Baeckler-Davis said she didn't want to focus on cultures. Ms. Rich said they're really targeting low-income neighborhoods, not race. Dr. March agreed. Keep it at low-income. Ms, Law said even the best neighborhoods have a cat problem Mr. Kepp said that when he was with HSN he used to go to Immokalee to do spays and neuters. They told him that culture would not agree to do it. But they did 100 animals, a triage, in one weekend back in 2004 or 2005. They will do it. It's not a black or Latin issue, or a white issue, he finds problems everywhere he goes. The way he finds an animal in Immokalee is when a good person tells him about the issue. He said the problem is everywhere. Ms. Hyland said they can just target "areas in need." That way it covers everything. Chairman Rich said there's a stigma if you call it low-income. t1 Chairman Rich said if there's a culture there, is there a problem? 3.A.2 Packet Pg. 62 Attachment: Animal Services Meeting Agenda - May 17, 2022 (22406 : Animal Services Advisory Board - May 17, 2022) March 15,2022 Ms. Hyland said they can have 2,500 cats in an area that's upper class. It doesn't matter. We should just say "areas in need." We can advertise it and get the Naples Daily News involved to promote this and get the word out. Ms. Campbell said she agreed with that. Ms. Perry agreed. It's a program. It may be low-income, but if she were low-income, she wouldn't want to be referred to that way. Tagging it with the correct line will bring success. It should be "areas in need." Ifthey're going to a neighborhood, they need to stay in that neighborhood until it's completed. There has to be some sort of a plan or there's not an impact. Ms. Hyland agreed. Finish those areas and move somewhere else. You can always go back. Ms. Perry said they may have to keep coming back to that area Ms. Rich said it really does need to be a targeted and focused effort. Statistically, you have to reach a70%o mark to reach a neighborhood. Target an area ofcats for it to be considered stable. Alley Cat Allies says 70%. You have to stay in a neighborhood for quite a while to get to that point. Ms. Baker said she understood this is the beginning of the plan, but what is the goal for how often it will occur? When can they expect us to come back after the initial trapping? Ms. Rich said it's open to discussion, but it will depend on SNIP's capacity and schedule for spays and neuters. Ms. Baker told Mr. Kepp that she knows this is the initial plan, but how often are they going to go back to a neighborhood for another fiap delivery and pickup? Mr. Kepp said they have to decide on a timeframe, monthly or weekly. He needs to determine whether they have a vet that day. After the first week, we have to determine if they're going to have l0 cats or 20 cats. They need to schedule that for the aftemoons. Two to three vets spaying and neutering 25 cats is not an issue. Ms. Rich said they initially thought once a month would be good to do. That gives time to evaluate. Chairman Rich said they may be able to write some grants for this. But we'll do whatever we can for as long as we can. Ms. Perry said they need to educate the public about what an eartipped cat is. Otherwise, we will be recatching the same cats. That education piece needs to be there. We want people to be comfortable. 12 Ms. Law said it also give times for word to spread. Mr. Kepp said they do have the Helping Paws fund and they could use some of that. 3.A.2 Packet Pg. 63 Attachment: Animal Services Meeting Agenda - May 17, 2022 (22406 : Animal Services Advisory Board - May 17, 2022) March 15,2022 Ms. Baeckler-Davis said yes, people came to HSN-DAS joint workshops on this issue and people expressed interest in the Community Cats and TNR issue, so they have some narnes. Ms. Hyland said even ifthey just handed out flyers, they need people to do that. She was hoping people would have come to the meeting tonight. They're not going to get anywhere with just two or three people volunteering and handing out information. Ms. Baker asked if DAS had a previous database of people who participated in the previous TNR that they could use to reach out to people to help pass out the flyers. They could use that as a base ofpeople to get it up and running. People interested in similar programs before might be interested in this program. Ms. Hyland said getting the flyers out there first and seeing if they want to do it is important to do first. Ms. Hemphill asked about the Cat Alliance and other cat groups. Chairman Rich said they were told about this workshop and program and are not here. If they were interested in helping, they'd be here. He said it would be a big thing if HSN could commit to this. Ms. Baeckler-Davis said she was uncertain what HSN could commit to yet. She's not saying they won't commit, but didn't know what they could do for the program today. Mr. Kepp said he did. If this goes well, he does not have a problem shutting down the clinic for a spay and neuter day. He will reopen Spay and Neuter Day. We've been trying to get 10 teams of two people and we haven't been successful in putting that together. Ms. Rich said that's why they need this coalition, this partnership. We all have resources we can pull together. As individual groups and organizations, we are not capable of making an impact. We've been doing this for 20 years and really haven't been able to make an impact. We just run from fire to fire. Mr. Kepp said he appreciated their hard work. This is a very good plan. He,s willing to participate. He's going to get his friend, Carina, to go and check out the neighborhood. l3 Ms. Hyland said educating everyone about ear tips is going to be key to those areas. She asked Ms. Baeckler-Davis if DAS was involved and HSN, would HSN have any volunteers who would be willing to educate the public? She said she was concemed about getting enough people in the neighborhoods to help to get it done. This is going to take the communiqv and volunteers to do this. Are there other volunteers who could step up? Chairman Rich said when she can tell him, they would welcome it. He asked if anyone had anl,thing else. Hopefully, by the next meeting we'll have something the Board can vote on to sanction. Ms. Perry asked Mr. Kepp if SNIP had microchip scanners. 3.A.2 Packet Pg. 64 Attachment: Animal Services Meeting Agenda - May 17, 2022 (22406 : Animal Services Advisory Board - May 17, 2022) March 15,2022 They used to check out puppies and dogs there. Ms. Hyland said she'd been to Naples Manor years ago looking for chained dogs and offered to go, as well. Chairman Rich asked what bilingual services were available for brochures. Ms. Perry said the Community Cat brochures are in Spanish. Chairman Rich said he might need translators at events. Ms. Carroll said DAS had several Hispanic and Creole speakers on staff. But when writing brochures, there's an official County process they have to adhere to with the Communications Office. Staffcan't write a pamphlet. Ms. Rich said this is now a coalition, so they don't need to ask DAS to go through official County channels. Once we agree on the language of the form, we have the resources to translate it properly. Ms. Hyland asked ifthere were bilingual volunteers who could go out. Chairman Rich asked if DAS had bilingual volunteers Ms. Perry said she wasn't certain. Dr. March asked if DAS employees would be willing to help Ms. Perry said if it's beneficial to the community, they could ask for overtime to help with the Community Cats program. Ms. Baker said ifyou have that database ofcat rescues and people involved in programs, they need to promote this program before they make huge forays into neighborhoods. She noted that Ms. Perry did a great job with promotions and maybe they could send an email to their database before heading out into communities. You need to blanket it to the people who will be most willing to help you to see if you can generate more volunteers. Chairman Rich noted that DAS has a phenomenal volunteer base. Maybe you can stress how important this is to the County. Ms. Perry said she definitely can send out an email. Ms. Law asked if the cats would be retumed after surgery. Chairman Rich said they would, unless the surgery was severe. They haven't lost a cat yet. They've all been in colonies and they've kept track of them. Ms. Perry said it's less stressful than keeping them in a cage for several days. Retuming t4 Ms. Perry said they absolutely will promote it. 3.A.2 Packet Pg. 65 Attachment: Animal Services Meeting Agenda - May 17, 2022 (22406 : Animal Services Advisory Board - May 17, 2022) v them is best practice. Chairman Rich said he appreciated everyone coming tonight. Adjourn ;l ln March 15, 2022 J)-(check There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was concludedat 7:06 p.m. Collier County Domestic Animal Services €hdm*+-J*mevRiets Vr,aU"^* These minutes were apfed by the Committee/Chairman on one) as presented / . or as amended l5 3.A.2 Packet Pg. 66 Attachment: Animal Services Meeting Agenda - May 17, 2022 (22406 : Animal Services Advisory Board - May 17, 2022)