FPM Minutes 11/18/2021 Nov. 18, 2021
MINUTES OF THE COLLIER COUNTY
FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING
Naples, Florida, Nov. 18, 2021
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, the Collier County Floodplain Management Planning
Committee in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on
this date at 9:05 A.M. in REGULAR SESSION at the Collier County Growth Management
Division Building, Conference Room #609/610, 2800 N. Horseshoe Drive, Naples, Florida,
with the following members present:
Chairman: Eric Johnson, CC Staff
Vice Chairman: (Vacancy)
Kenneth Bills
William Lang, CC Staff
Christa Carrera, City of Naples (excused)
Kelli DeFedericis, City of Marco Island
Duke Vasey
Lisa Koehler (Excused)
Terry Smallwood, Everglades City (Excused)
Stan Chrzanowski
William Miller
Deborah Curry, CC Staff(Excused)
Linda Orlich
Ed Moulton
Heidi Ashton-Cicko, CC Staff
ALSO PRESENT: Chris Mason, Floodplain Coordinator
Pawel Brzeski, Operations Analyst, Stormwater Management
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Chairman Johnson called the meeting to order at 9:05 a.m. after a quorum was established.
1. Approval of previous meeting minutes from Aug. 19,2021
Mr. Bills moved to approve the minutes of the Aug. 19, 2021, meeting as presented. Second by
Mr. Miller. Carried unanimously 9-0.
2. 2020-2021 Executive Summary
Mr. Mason sent the summary to members over the weekend for review.
Mr. Vasey made a motion to approve the summary. Second by Mr. Lang. Carried unanimously, 9-0.
Mr. Mason reported that during the second quarter of 2020, the committee requested a format that was
easier to read than the current matrix report, so he changed the format to a one-page format with notes
that will be easier for committee members to access and read. The matrix will still be used to outline
the 2022 Proposed Mitigation Actions as a whole. The single-page report will be utilized for updates
during the quarterly committee meetings.
A discussion ensued:
• Mr. Vasey questioned whether it could be easily searched and suggested using Microsoft
Access since it has a search and report query.
• Mr. Lang said Excel's Power Query would be preferable because it could provide continuity of
operations and more information to go forward with.
• Mr. Vasey asked the chairman to look at available databases and suggested Azure SQL
• Chairman Johnson said Mr. Lang mentioned Microsoft's Power BI, an internal program.
Mr. Lang explained that Power BI would allow staff to put a report in any form if someone
requested information.
• Mr. Vasey said it was important to put everything in a historical perspective for the search
function.
• Mr. Mason cited his four-year history on the committee, as of today, and said the process is
always evolving.
• Mr. Vasey noted the committee has never settled on a particular system and wanted to
determine the easiest way to keep the data and historic information while providing a search
query.
• Mr. Lang said the matrix is vague because it needs a date column.
• Chairman Johnson said the new page format would allow a narrative form but said the
committee could come up with a better matrix.
• Ms. Orlich wanted to ensure the format includes which department was responsible, which is in
the current matrix, but Mr. Mason said that's not included in the new page format. He said
they'd try to mesh two different formats to make a workable product.
• Chairman Johnson liked both,noting the matrix provides the necessary information, while the
narrative provides more detail.
• Mr. Lang said the report should include the last action.
• Mr. Pawel Brzeski, a Stormwater Management employee, suggested using hyperlinks to the
supporting files because there is so much information and it would provide a timestamp.
Chairman Johnson agreed that would be a good solution.
3. VOTE REQUIRED: Acceptance of the 2020 & 2021 Floodplain Management Plan Executive
Summary, Mitigation Action Plan Progress Report, and Proposed Mitigation Action Plan for
2022.
Mr. Chrzanowski made a motion to approve. Second by Mr. Lang. Carried unanimously, 9-0.
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Ms. DeFedericis joined at 9:20 a.m.
4. Collier County CRS Verification Cycle Visit 2022
Mr. Mason reported that in January, Collier County will receive notification from FEMA that requires
the county to go through its three-year verification cycle, which was just approved for the prior period.
The county will be required to submit its higher regulatory and mapping documentation. He began
work on it this summer. The discussion was for informational purposes and no vote was required.
A discussion ensued:
• Ms. DeFedericis said Marco Island was retrograded to a Class 6 (a 20% discount). She's been
working on it for a year and the city's verification visit will occur on Feb. 8. She said she'd reached
out to Roy McClure, a FEMA Region 4 Natural Hazards Program Specialist, for assistance. Marco
Island is in the top 10 and will continue to be on a three-year Verification Cycle Visit schedule. She
asked FEMA how they were going to calculate the savings offered by the CRS program in the wake
of the rollout of FEMA's Risk Rating 2.0 program.
• Mr. Mason said there are 70,000 policies in Collier County, with 60,000 receiving discounts, for a
total of$8.2 million yearly in savings. Nationwide, 1,800 out of 2,500 communities participate. Ohio
has only 15 participants and they don't include large cities such as Columbus and Cincinnati.
• Chairman Johnson questioned which class had the highest participation rate and Mr. Mason said it
was Class 7. He said smaller communities don't have the resources to invest in the program, but
noted that Collier County, Marco Island, Naples and Everglades City all participate, and Everglades
City is Class 9. (Class 9 communities, the lowest, receive a 5% discount for all policies in its Special
Flood Hazard Areas.)
• Mr. Mason said his Community Ratings System(CRS) work takes up 50% of his job.
• Mr. Lang said most communities don't invest in people such as Mr. Mason and Ms. DeFedericis
and noted that Mr. Mason performs a multitude of other duties in addition to his CRS role, as does
Ms. DeFedericis.
• Mr. Vasey noted that then-county manager Jim Mudd created the FMPC in 2006 to streamline the
process. He called it an enormous government function that's resulted in significant savings that are
now being realized. He said the insurance issues are significant because if Mr. Mason misses a
deadline, the county could revert back to Class 9; Mr. Mason said it also could result in suspension
from the program.
• Mr. Vasey said Mr. Mason doesn't have the time now to conduct the research he did in the past.
However, he said there has been a change in staff acceptance since the program began and staff were
unwilling to provide information. Ms. DeFedericis and Mr. Mason reported they still have to push
for information and CRS employees work together to obtain what's required.
• Chairman Johnson said he was pleased at how well the county is doing with the program.
5. Floodplain Management Section Development Review Totals 3rd Quarter
Mr. Mason reported that since Sept. 2,the county has reviewed and approved 716 elevation certificates
and of those, 244 were Under Construction elevation certificates; 259 were non-CRS, including sheds,
generators, and structures reserved for storage or parking: and 213 were CRS, which require submission
to the Insurance Services Office (ISO) for annual compliance review. He also received eight letters of
map revision for developments, some of which were rejected because they contained incorrect data. Mr.
Lang noted that those numbers will be increasing.
6. FPMC County Staff Vacancy Update
Mr. Mason reported that the committee still has a Public Utilities member vacancy since Craig Pajer
resigned last quarter, but he's been in talks with the Growth Management Director to fill the position.
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He noted that the committee also has been operating without a vice chair. Qualifications for the position
include someone with a facilities,planning and development background. Mr. Lang said he'd be
willing to take the position. Chairman Johnson said they might look for someone in Public Utilities, but
suggested Mr. Lang serve an interim role.
Mr. Vasey made a motion to appoint Mr. Lang as interim vice chair. Second by Mr. Miller. Carried
unanimously, 9-0;Mr. Lang abstained.
7. Climate Central Coastal Risk Screening Tool
Mr. Mason reported that Mr. Vasey sent him a modeling tool that shows the effects of climate change,
Climate Central, https://coastal.climatecentral.org/, a site that generates customizable maps of projected
sea level rise and coastal flood risks by year, water level and elevation. He noted that NOAA (National
Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) offers a similar tool (www.coast.noaa.gov/slr/). He provided
a demonstration of how the site could show county flood levels over time under several variables and
conditions.
A discussion ensued:
• Mr. Lang said he'd spoken with FDEP, whose statutes require that contractors working on state-
funded projects submit a slip analysis and sea-rise analysis for initial construction. He noted that
Executive Order 13690, signed by President Obama in 2015 (Establishing a Federal Flood Risk
Management Standard and a Process for Further Soliciting and Considering Stakeholder Input),
was rolled back by President Trump and then reinstated by President Biden. That standard offers
a science-based approach, including sea-level rise and BFE, base-flood elevations. He said NCH
is currently involved in a project that required him to consider those factors.
• Ms. DeFedericis asked if the county's setback line had been established and noted that Marco
Island's line runs down the center of the island. Mr. Lang said he'd look into it.
• Mr. Chrzanowski reminded committee members that when Gov. Scott was in office, sea-level
rise and other similar words were"forbidden."But Mr. Mason said those topics are becoming
acceptable now and Mr. Lang noted that funds are being dedicated in those areas now, although
it's weak, depending on the administration.
Mr. Mason resumed the demonstration of the Climate Central Coastal Risk Screening Tool,pointing
out that it will show flood inundation levels associated with sea level rise over time.
• Mr. Vasey noted that both Climate Central and NOAA should be used together. He said the
point is to make adjustments to mitigate the projections over time.
• Mr. Lang said the numbers already are affecting home sales and the county must continue to
take initiatives.
Mr. Bills left the meeting at 9:50 a.m.
• Mr. Chrzanowski said there are two models used to show flooding: Storm Surge and the
Bathtub Model. The question is: How fast is flooding going to happen? What will occur first
over several decades, he said, will be flooding on roadways, followed by septic tanks
overflowing. Eventually, residents will move out.
• Mr. Lang said that will occur long before that, noting that sea-level rise activity already is
occurring on Florida's East Coast, which has enabled Gov. DeSantis to take steps after seeing
what occurred there.
• Ms. DeFedericis said she's been told numbers will be inputted for each government to utilize.
• Mr. Vasey said the important thing to realize is that changes are taking place and the county
needs to prepare.
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Mr. Mason continued with the Climate Central demonstration, showing water levels (Mean High-High
Water) by yearly progression. By 2100,the tide level will be higher by 3 feet and by 2150, flood levels
will rise until most coastal lands are under water.
• Chairman Johnson thanked Mr. Vasey for bringing the online tool to Mr. Mason's attention,
calling it a worthwhile endeavor.
• Mr. Vasey said the questions then-Director of Capital Planning Amy Patterson asked Climate
Central at the time were: How high will it be and when will it occur?He noted that rising water
levels and temperatures already have prompted changes in animal behavior and that Google
Earth shows changes that have occurred, so far, including animals and bugs that weren't here
before, and the lack of grass for manatees.
• Mr. Chrzanowski said Deputy County Manager Amy Patterson has been communicating with
Climate Central and has contact information.
8. FMPC 2022 Meeting Calendar Update
Mr. Mason reported that Chairman Johnson is not available on certain dates due to BCC and Planning
Board meetings, so they came up with a new calendar, changing the committee's quarterly meetings
from the second Tuesday of each meeting month to the first Tuesday: Feb. 1, May 3, Aug. 2,Nov. 1.
Mr. Vasey made a motion to approve the new 2022 calendar. Second by Mr. Miller. Carried
unanimously, 9-0.
9. Other Items/Committee Correspondence
• Chairman Johnson thanked everyone for their comments and reminded members to direct
all communications involving committee business to Mr. Mason only.
• Ms. DeFedericis asked if the county was doing anything with State Watershed Management
Plan initiative, but Mr. Mason cautioned her to be careful because the ISO can give points
and take them away.
• Mr. Lang said he sent it out to Lee County's regional CRS group because the county needs
to have a conversation with the Southwest Florida CRS Users Group. He said the FMPC
should provide its comments as a team.
• Ms. Orlich asked if the Okeechobee release involving 30%more water would affect Collier
County, but Mr. Vasey said it would not since involves a different basin. Mr. Mason said
water would be flowing toward the Gulf, but Mr. Vasey said no one is sure where the water
will flow. Mr. Chrzanowski said that historically, the water didn't flow toward Collier
County.
There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjourned by the order
of the Chair at 10:13 A.M.
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