DSAC Agenda 04/06/2022Co ler County
Growth Management Department
Development Services Advisory
Committee
Meeting
Wednesday, April 6, 2022
3:00 pm
2800 N. Horseshoe Dr.
Naples, FL 34104
Growth Management Department
Conference Room 609/610
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Growth Management Department
Development Services Advisory Committee
Agenda
Wednesday, April 6, 2022
3:00 pm
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1. Call to order - Chairman
2. Approval of Agenda
3. Approval of Minutes:
a. DSAC Meeting— March 2, 2022
b. DSAC LDR Meeting —January 19, 2022
4. Public Speakers
5. Staff Announcements/Updates
a. Development Review Division — [Jaime Cook]
b. Code Enforcement Division — [Mike Ossorio]
c. Public Utilities Department — [Matt McLean or designee]
d. Growth Management Dept. Transportation Engineering Division — [Jay Ahmad or designee]
e. Collier County Fire Review— [Shar Beddow or Shawn Hanson, Assistant Chief, Fire Marshal]
f. North Collier Fire Review — [Chief Sean Lintz or Deputy Director Daniel Zunzunegui]
g. Operations & Regulatory Mgmt. Division — [Ken Kovensky]
h. Zoning Division — [Mike Bosi]
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6. New Business
7. Old Business
8. Committee Member Comments
9. Adjourn
FUTURE MEETING DATES:
May 4, 2022 — 3:00 pm
June 1, 2022 — 3:00 pm
July 6, 2022 — 3:00 pm
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March 2, 2022
MINUTES OF THE COLLIER COUNTY
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING
Naples, Florida, March 2, 2022
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, the Collier County Development Services Advisory
Committee, in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on
this date at 3 P.M. in REGULAR SESSION at the Collier County Growth Management
Department Building, Conference Room #609/610, 2800 Horseshoe Drive North, Naples,
Florida, with the following members present:
Chairman: William J. Varian
Vice Chairman: Blair Foley (excused)
David Dunnavant
James E. Boughton
Clay Brooker
Chris Mitchell
Robert Mulhere
Mario Valle
Norman Gentry (excused)
Marco Espinar
Laura Spurgeon-DeJohn
Jeremy Sterk
Jeff Curl
John English
Mark McLean (excused)
ALSO PRESENT: Jamie French, Deputy Department Head, GMD
Mike Bosi, Director, Planning & Zoning
Michael Ossorio, Director, Code Enforcement
Jay Ahmad, Director, Transportation Planning
Brett Rosenblum, Principal Project Manager, Development Review
Eric Johnson, Zoning Planning Manager
John "Jake" Harney, Habitat for Humanity
Jackie Keay, Collier County School Board candidate
Jason Regula, Manager, Technical Systems Operations
Rick LoCastro, County Commissioner, District 1
Patricia Mill, Operations Analyst/Staff Liaison
March 2, 2022
Any persons in need of the verbatim record of the meeting may request a copy of the audio recording from the
Collier County Growth Management Department.
1. Call to Order - Chairman
Chairman Varian called the meeting to order at 3:02 p.m. A quorum consisting of 11 members was convened.
(A 12' member arrived later.)
2. Approval of Agenda
Mr. Curl moved to approve the agenda. Second by Mr. Valle. Carried unanimously, 11-0.
3. Approval of Minutes
Chairman Varian said that on page 6, 5H, it could be misconstrued that Mike Bosi got a promotion, when it
was Eric Johnson. The pronoun needs to be clarified by adding Eric Johnson's name.
a. DSAC Meeting —Feb. 2, 2022
Mr. Brooker moved to approve the Feb. 2, 2022, meeting minutes, with a clarification on page 6 to show
that it was Eric Johnson who received a promotion. Second by Mr. Curl. Carried unanimously, 11-0.
b. DSAC-LDR Oct. 19, 2021
Mr. Curl moved to approve the Oct. 19, 2021, DSAC-LDR Subcommittee meeting minutes. Second by Mr.
Brooker. Carried unanimously, 2-0 (subcommittee members in attendance).
4. Public Speakers
John Harney introduced himself as a member of AHAC (Affordable -Housing Advisory Committee), the AHAC
Trust Fund Subcommittee, a Habitat for Humanity advocate.
He said houses are really expensive now. They've become so expensive here that the median house price of
$550,000 is more than the average real estate agent in the county can buy. This has become not only a low-
income, but a very big moderate -income issue: providing more units of housing.
The model that we've used over the years, four houses per acre, caused a couple of problems. We've run out of
land and the land cost is so high we can't do that anymore. These four things that Laura (Spurgeon-DeJohn) has
for you today are about increasing density and putting rules around it so we can standardize when working with
the developers on what those rules are so they can understand them and see where they can make a profit on
them.
This was all developed with the idea that all these changes can increase the interest of a developer in coming to
Collier County. It's really important for us to do that because the County doesn't want to get involved in owning
affordable housing. I don't think that's a good idea. And in addition, the County doesn't want to be involved in
managing them. This plan allows a developer to come in, get a property, build it and make money on it and want
to be here.
It's taken about two years to get here and it's very well defined at this point. It's been through a lot of evolution
and it's really a good plan. We're hoping that you can advance this today. Habitat has kind of been involved as a
consultant along the way, but this is really not a plan for Habitat. This is a plan for the County and other
developers. Habitat builds about 100 houses a year. That's never going to solve the problem here. The need is
more like 2,000 new residences in the county per year, most of them apartments, so we're involved, but we're
not going to solve this problem. It's going to have to be done primarily by new blood coming into the County.
People are building regionally and nationally who will be interested in coming here to build higher density,
multiple -family dwellings.
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There's a big tie in here between major streets and CAT and we feel that this plan very much uses the existing
transportation system and what can be tailored to work around these buildings. The whole idea here is to cut
traffic, cut use of the roads, cut costs and make it less expensive for everybody by putting these residences near
where people are working. Thank you for your time.
Ms. Spurgeon-DeJohn said Mr. Harney is correct. He's done a good job of speaking about the need to address
the County's affordable -housing issues. What he's describing is a package of Land -Development Code
amendments and Growth Management Plan amendments that are working their way through review through the
Growth Management Department. The DSAC subcommittee has had the chance to look at the LDC amendments
twice and has pretty much endorsed amendments related to new initiatives that help promote more options to
develop with increased density and have more affordable -housing developed in Collier County.
It's not on the agenda today and will be coming forward to the full DSAC next month. The comments are on
point. They're probably best directed to the discussion on those items next month.
Mr. Mulhere asked if there's any relief with transportation concurrency. Because we can do all we want, but we
can't go forward if we trigger concurrency. I think there are some ways to either reduce it, especially if they're
located close to transit, and there may be some connection in reducing concurrency requirements for affordable
units.
Mr. Curl said what he recalled from that subcommittee meeting was a move to allow relief from them being on
a major frontage road. He took issue with that because they wouldn't have access to CAT. The second was that
they either resided or worked within Collier County. He also took issue with that. If our tax dollars are going
toward that, they need to live and work here, which is exactly what he just said.
Mr. Brooker said the bottom line is that the subcommittee has seen it twice, eight or nine months apart, so there
was some confusion during the subcommittee meeting because we couldn't remember what we had seen the first
time and the amendments were not proposed the second time in red -line format, so they couldn't remember what
they'd seen before versus the second time. But the subcommittee did take action and was told that it would be
coming before the full DSAC in the future, which is next month.
Public Speaker No. 2:
Jackie Keay introduced herself as a District 5 School Board candidate.
She grew up in Naples and is running for the school board because growing up in a community and living in
poverty in Gordon River meant making it out was moving to Naples Manor, which wasn't necessarily any better.
She understands the impact that food insecurity, abuse, home displacement and homelessness would have
because you're moving from place to place and counting on everyone else's grace to give you a place to live. She
understands how it impacts students, how it affects not only their education, but their sense of security.
She read a recent article online that said that since February 2021, rent for a one -bedroom apartment rose by
67%. Some rentals have increased by upwards of $2,000 a month. The lack of attainable housing and the
prospect of facing homelessness is exacerbating the stress students and educators are facing in our community.
For many, even moving to Fort Myers or farther north is not an option because they cannot afford to move, or the
rent also is increasing in those communities. We have displaced families with children living with friends,
families living in their cars, tents and even state parks. This unprecedented economic development and social
issue will lead to an increase in mental -health problems, food insecurities, academic decline, abuse and
behavioral problems, just to name a few.
In a report on housing and economic outcomes, Veronica Gaitan contends that due to homelessness, students are
less likely to demonstrate academic proficiency across all subject areas in exams. A recent analysis shows that
Florida teachers can't afford basic housing on a base salary level in all 67 school districts in Florida, and nearly
all teachers paid more than one-third of their monthly income on housing. Any amount over 30%, which is
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actually closer to 50%, but they were being conservative, any amount over 30% does not leave enough money
for basic necessities or food.
She spoke to someone the other day who said that for them, it's a matter of "Do I buy groceries to feed my
children, or do I pay the rent? Otherwise, we're going to be homeless." It is a systemic problem, so if it's
systemic, we should all be working together and bringing our resources to the table, as well as solutions. She's
optimistic and doesn't believe there's such a thing as an unsolvable problem. Every problem has multiple
solutions. It's just a matter of finding a solution that works best for that situation. She's hopeful that as long as
we all work together and have the same mindset or mission that we can solve this. It is an economic development
problem if we don't keep our working class in the community and we cannot survive.
5. Staff Announcements/Updates
a. Development Review Division — [Brett Rosenblum]
Mr. Rosenblum said Jaime Cook asked him to discuss several items:
• Pre -application meetings: We're still getting a lot of pre-app meeting requests with no conceptual plan
provided. Staff understands that when the requests come in, they may not have one, but it would help
staff provide more project -specific information if there's a conceptual plan provided prior to that
meeting. That would help them to provide better information to help you all.
• Right -of -Way Handbook: Staff is in the early stages of updating the Right -of -Way Handbook. They're
getting together internally and discussing different things and doing some reformatting. At some point,
we'll get together and present it to everyone, the DSAC-LDR Subcommittee and other departments.
Right now, it's just Development Review doing some cleanup.
• Vacation applications: This came up through Trinity Scott's group. Development Review staff has
been told that Transportation and Stormwater is not going to support any right-of-way vacations unless
there is a good justification for the vacation. They won't vacate a right-of-way without the County
receiving something in return, some sort of reciprocal or replacement easement.
Mr. French explained that what's occurring is that the County gets an application where there's an
easement that exists and the applicant or the landowner wants the County to vacate the easement, but
offers nothing in exchange. You guys don't have any plans for this now, not to say you might have it in
the future, but it's more beneficial to our project that you vacate this and in return, we might be able to
make some other accommodations.
The issue really is that they don't build land anymore. So, we may not be where you are, as the
developer, when it comes to future -use planning for both stormwater, right-of-way and utilities. So, to
haphazardly move forward and vacate those easements that existed for a reason without having some
sort of plan in place, or at least accommodations made available to the County, the development or the
community in future years to be able to accommodate utilities or stormwater. Just because it's not
developed now, or we don't have an asset or utility in the ground, doesn't necessarily mean that we may
not 20 years from now.
What we found in some neighborhoods where we had vacated an easement, perhaps that easement was
acquired through condemnation, perhaps we just purchased it and because of the institutional knowledge
that we're continuing to lose, it's hard to go back and do that level of research. For us to go back to the
Board of County Commissioners and make a recommendation that we just vacate the easement, we don't
necessarily know that No. 1, that it's the right thing to do or No. 2, that it's fiduciarily responsible to just
vacate that land, either at no cost or a limited cost without understanding what impact it might have for
the County in the future. Does that make sense?
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Mr. Brooker said that if it were condemned, there would be an Order of Taking in the title and it should
be, if they condemned it according to proper procedure. It might be so far back in time that we can't find
it anymore in the public records. But an Order of Taking should be in the chain of title, so the County
can determine whether that is the method by which they obtained the right-of-way.
Mr. French agreed that the information should be there and he stressed the word "should." It's not
always there and it requires a great deal of research. He wasn't saying that the County shouldn't be doing
its job, but we don't ... Under our County Manager now and because [Deputy County Manager] Amy
Patterson comes from the planning perspective, the County Manager's Office is now looking at things
using a much different approach than they have in the past on how these things work together.
So, whether it's utilities, transportation, stormwater, parks and recreation or conservation lands, there has
to be some consideration and some communication that exists between the entire agency to make sure
that this land, if we get to a place where we are vacating an easement, it's really the right thing to do, and
that there are no plans for this land, whatsoever. Unfortunately, builders are able to move much faster
than the County can because they're project intensive and are only looking at specific projects, while
County staff is looking at an entire County from a planning perspective.
Mr. Mitchell asked if this pertains only to easements in favor of the County.
Mr. French said this pertains to all easements. County Attorney Jeff Klatzkow has a very strong
opinion. He doesn't think we should be giving up any land without knowing what the plan is for that
land.
Mr. Mitchell said if it's in favor of the County, what does it matter? He said he asked because it's more
typical in the City of Naples rather than the County that a lot of plats were recorded with easements in
the rear yard for utilities that are not used in a completely developed area. So, there's an easement that's
just by policy and he's hearing that Jeff Klatzkow would say you cannot, when it's a private easement?
It's on a plat, but it's to the dry utility.
Mr. French said it's not a hard "no," but it's "no" going into it until we can fully understand, with a
good rationale, what is the reason we would consider it. Years ago, we talked about how to better
coordinate the process, have better tracking and understand how this should really be happening. We put
together a really good process that worked for everybody, but now we're at a point where we're having
folks come in where they've built something in the easement and they're saying, "Just vacate it." The
County has stormwater or utilities that are planned to go through here. But they say they've already put a
house, garage or pavement there.
Mr. Mitchell said he understood. But what he's experienced is that when you put absolutes in there, it
becomes very difficult in certain situations. What he's also seen is that some of the LDC changes over
the years have been to the negative and not the positive, so the County shouldn't create a situation where
it has to have a deviation or variance for a vacation every time. Don't make the situation more difficult
in anticipation of creating a better environment in the future. Sometimes they call it unintended
consequences. Having dealt with a couple of projects where we had this issue, it's tough to navigate,
especially on fully developed projects that have a partial redevelopment. And if you've got easements
and you have drainage easements that aren't being utilized and you have a buffer requirement, it gets
complex.
Mr. French said that if you replace those, or if you relocated those somewhere else, and this is really
just arbitrary or it's not needed, then that's fine. We're not talking about policy, we're talking about
practice. We're not looking, as far as I know, but there are no LDC amendments under way, and if there
were, they would come to you. This is simply a matter of practice, that we have to stick to code. He
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recognizes there's a great deal of discretion that can be applied at the start to try to coordinate or put that
argument together. Let's still have the conversation, but understand that the habit needs to be more
toward the negative because what we found is that to go back in once it's vacated, the County gives up
all rights to it and we could have community flooding, we could have a pathway, we could have ingress -
egress, we very well could have a road going through there in the future or a utility that is needed.
Mr. Rosenblum said Ms. Cook wanted him to mention conservation easements. Moving forward, we're
going to change the process. The County will record the conservation easements and then send a receipt
to get reimbursed, similar to what the County does with utility conveyance documents.
[Mr. Sterkjoined the meeting at 3:27p.m]
Mr. Mulhere asked Mr. Rosenblum about recording the conservation easements with the county versus
the state.
Mr. Rosenblum said County conservation easements are sent to the County Clerk.
Mr. Curl said speaking of the Right -of -Way Handbook, Brett, are there still vacancies in your
department, position vacancies?
Mr. Rosenblum said there were none in his group. They just made an offer to fill an environmental
specialist position.
Mr. Curl said where he's headed with his question is that he sees the review timelines being pushed
further and further away, so he was wondering how the priority was given to redoing the Right -of -Way
Handbook. Unless he missed something that is absolute, they need to get this done. He understands the
department is doing more with less.
Mr. Rosenblum said they're just getting together every few weeks to work on it. There was no deadline
or staff member assigned to it.
Mr. French said employees are using their spare time and barely have time to work on it. There is some
cleanup and because it requires localized knowledge, they cannot contract it out and need to get it done.
b. Code Enforcement Division — [Eric Short, North Naples District Supervisor]
Mr. Short presented the "Code Enforcement Division Report, Jan. 22-Feb. 21, 2022"
Mr. Short noted that they had the report before them. As much as we're doing reactive cases and
responding to complaints, we're also keeping up with a proactive approach for common violations and
nuisance complaints. Vacation rentals is one thing they're keeping an eye on, especially in the North
Naples District and the Naples Park area. There's an April 3 deadline approaching for voluntary
registration for vacation rentals and they're trying to keep up with that, while also keeping up with the
enforcement that will follow.
Mr. Mitchell noted he wasn't at the last meeting, but noticed there were comments about silt fences and
illegal culverts in the minutes. With the proliferation of development, single-family homes, and some of
commercial projects, what have we been doing about driveway connections? He believes his neighbor
redid his driveway without a permit and was doing work in the right-of-way and it wasn't really a
maintenance of traffic issue, or they didn't do a very good job. So, does that become a Code
Enforcement issue if they don't obtain that permit? How is Code Enforcement tracking that?
It seems like it's happening almost all over the Estates, in North Naples and Naples Park. A couple of his
drainage plans have come back. They have too many driveway cuts or there's too much driveway in the
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yard, so he knows that's being looked at. Maybe there's a lot getting through? He also noticed that a silt
fence has been down for quite some time on a commercial project. He knows inspectors must go out
there for a 10-day certification. They do all the cells to see if they fill the cells and he knows that's where
they're at, so he doesn't understand why the silt fence hasn't been corrected.
Mr. Short said if they see any active work in a right-of-way, they will stop and take a look. A lot of that
work is happening on weekends or evenings. The County relies on getting complaints and Code
Enforcement will address it if it has not been permitted.
They work with Pollution Control and the Engineering Division when it comes to silt fences. There have
been times where they can put an inspection hold. Engineering will do that when we run into those issues
when the silt fencing is lacking. When Code Enforcement staff goes out there, it's a strong educational
push. If the site work already has been done or has been prepped and a contractor is taking it down
because it's in his way, Code Enforcement does a strong educational push. That's something we look at.
Mr. Mitchell asked what would occur if they went to the site of a repeat violator on a commercial
project, not a single-family home. Is it still an educational push? For the second time do you tell them to
get in line and they will be fined the third time? What's the repercussion? What's the incentive for the
contractor, whether it's a general contractor or a sub, to make sure they're not violating? That's a pretty
big -ticket item.
Mr. Short said they coordinate with the Contractor Licensing Division and go for misconduct or some
type of violation.
Mr. Boughton asked about the April 3 voluntary vacation rental registration deadline, short-term
vacation rentals.
Mr. Short said that deadline is a grace period for voluntary registration before Code Enforcement goes
after vacation rental homeowners.
Mr. Brooker asked what occurs when an owner registers. The County has a name to contact if there are
complaints?
Mr. Short said it's a state Department of Business and Professional Regulation license, they pay a
tourist tax, a local business tax and the County has a 24-hour contact that's beneficial to Code
Enforcement, EMS and other emergency situations.
Mr. French said he and Jeff Klatzkow worked on this and it was adopted by the Board of County
Commissioners on January 3. We gave a 90-day grace period for voluntary registration before Code
Enforcement will go out. Local government may not preempt the state, so whether the activity is
residential or a vacation rental, that's irrelevant to us because we have no authority. We are not the
authority with jurisdiction.
We are simply making sure we have a good point of contact and you sign an affirmation that says "I am
licensed with the state." We ask for the information and that you are properly registered for tourist tax,
but the tax collector does not share that information. If there was a public records request, it would be
redacted. That data will be shared with the Sheriffs Office, the Tax Collector and the Property
Appraiser.
The predominant reason why is that in the event there are spring breakers visiting, or someone who
doesn't live in the community, the Sheriffs Office looks at the address if a neighbor says he doesn't
recognize the people who are there and they're getting a little loud. They can look it up, see it's a
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vacation rental and there's a point of contact available who can be told, "Your home is now in disarray."
They have one business day to react accordingly and start to make those repairs.
We also do a zoning verification to make sure we don't have a commercial building that they've
partitioned out to make it a hostel, so now they've turned a big warehouse into a hotel. The idea for that
is we took it from a zoning perspective. Your zoning review is already in the Board -adopted fee
schedule. Because we are an Enterprise Fund, we use a front -desk planner to do that, so it's basically like
a zoning verification. The registration costs $50.
The bill died again in Tallahassee. They were going to take the County language. We worked closely
with Sen. Kathleen Passidomo and appreciate her efforts, but it did not make it through. What they were
going to do is charge a $50 fee, or a maximum fee of $75 for multiple properties. This was not a money
grab for the County. It's just a registration process and we're checking the zoning. This allows first -
responders and Code Enforcement staff to access the information.
It's not in report form, but you can request it under the state Public Records Law, Chapter 119. The
County doesn't have reports. You'll get a data dump. You'll have to go through CityView to find it.
c. Public Utilities Department
(Report Submitted)
d. Growth Management Dept. Transportation or Engineering Division — [Jay Ahmad, Director]
Mr. Ahmad provided several updates on projects under construction and under design:
• Veterans Memorial Extension Project Phase 1: From Livingston to the new high school, a four -lane
roadway is being built. Much of the work has been completed to the school. They're now working
west of Livingston, preparing the roadway for westbound lanes, the base and pavement. Work east
of Livingston is scheduled for Sept. 22. The contract says it should be done in June, but it's slow and
they may be pulling staff to other projects they're involved with. The contract is for January 2023.
It'll be completed about seven or eight months from now. It's supposed to be done before the high
school opens to students this fall. Phase 1 goes up to the high school. East of Livingston will be
completed by fall. We completed the Triangle Boulevard. It's the project from Collier Boulevard,
connecting to U.S. 41. We did the access management there and a roundabout at Celeste Drive and
worked on Price Street, which improved traffic. Lanes were added at the intersection of U.S. 41 and
Triangle, and they are now doing a final painting and punch list. This will be the last update on this
project.
• Whippoorwill Extension: This connects Marbella Lakes to Whippoorwill Lane, where they'll have
about four roundabouts. The BCC awarded this contract as a design build, so they've been in the
Design Phase of the design build. We're planning on issuing a Notice to Proceed for the
Construction Phase on March 10. By contract, they're supposed to be done by the end of this year.
Projects in Design
• Vanderbilt Beach Road Extension: It's_now in procurement and this will probably be the most
expensive roadway project in the County. It's estimated at $120 million. It takes Vanderbilt and
extends it from Collier Boulevard east, approximately seven miles. It goes from Collier Boulevard to
Wilson Boulevard, six lanes, three in each direction, and from Wilson Boulevard to 16t' Street
Northeast, two lanes, one in each direction. We hope to be in construction by late summer. We're
still awaiting the FDEP 404 Permit. They are extremely slow in issuing permits. He's sent daily
reminders and finally received a response three weeks ago that said the permit is imminent.
• Logan Boulevard improvements: Logan opened up to Bonita Springs and we've had many issues
with traffic finding this roadway. There were a few issues of traffic backing up from Old Cypress to
Immokalee Road. The three-way stop sign there is not helping. A lot of the traffic that uses it
extends all the way to Immokalee Road. What we're planning to do is build a roundabout at that
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intersection and at Riverstone, north of that. That project is in the final design phase. We hope to be
in construction later this year.
Mr. Brooker asked about Goodlette-Frank Road north of Vanderbilt Beach Road, where there's ongoing
construction. Is that a future widening?
Mr. Ahmad explained that it's extending that pathway that exists north, by Arthrex. It's extending it down
to Vanderbilt Beach Road. But the County does have a project in 2024, a five-year plan to widen that
roadway to four lanes. There's a grant associated with it, from Vanderbilt to Immokalee Road, to make it
similar to what it is to the south, two lanes in each direction.
Mr. Boughton asked if there was anything being contemplated from Airport Road north to Immokalee
Road.
Mr. Ahmad said there was and that's also associated with a grant. It's a roughly $20 million project, the
County has selected a consultant and is negotiating to hire Kimley-Horn to design the roadway for six lanes
from Vanderbilt to Sam's Club on Immokalee Road. He believed it's a 2024 project. Part of the scope is to
look at access management. There are not many driveways along there, Pelican Marsh, some subdivisions
and Palm River. That will be part of the scope. Our task is to see what traffic improvements can be made and
access management is part of that.
Mr. Boughton asked when this would occur.
Mr. Ahmad said he'd get back to the DSAC about whether it's in 2023 or 2024.
e. Collier County Fire Review — [Shar Beddow or Shawn Hanson, Assistant Chief, Fire Marshal]
(None)
f. North Collier Fire Review — [Deputy Director Daniel Zunzunegui]
Mr. Zunzunegui provided several updates:
• There were 503 fire reviews for February. If you look at planning, they surpassed us. They did a few
more planning reviews than we did, but that's not factoring in complexity.
• The county partner meetings were canceled due to the spread of COVID slowing down locally. The
video inspections they were implementing as a precaution are gone, unless a customer wants that
service. It will now involve standard in -person inspections, which are conducted the next day. We're
not bogged down.
• Business licensing: There are other avenues you can go to. If you're not getting the service you need,
reach out and let us do what we can to get you taken care of.
• Turn -around time: There was about a four -day turnaround time for planning and building reviews.
There were 534 plans, which is normal for February.
• Plans Queue: He monitors the queue, which fills up by the minute, throughout the day and assigns
plans to people on his team. There's more of a specialty approach. If it's a sprinkler permit, there are
two qualified people who look at water -based systems, and it's the same for fire alarms or a heavy
architectural plan review. Everyone has different strengths. If it says five, 10 or 15-day, we have 30
days. To meet customers' needs, he allows for overtime every other weekend for inspectors who
want to conduct plan reviews. They're able to stay ahead that way so there are no customer
complaints and they can build sooner rather than later.
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• Supply issues: There are still supply issues in the alarm industry, especially with semiconductor
chips for intelligent -addressable fire alarm systems. We're trying to work with everybody, so if
you're running into difficulty finding supplies and need alternatives, reach out to us. We're open to
alternatives, even if it's a temporary fix or solution to a problem. We can place a hold and revisit on
the existing grid, where we can final something.
Alarm legislation: There are two House bills that will treat fire -alarm monitoring permits and any
existing system in which they're altering 20 devices or less. They're supposed to be treated like a
label permit — over -the counter, $40, and they could buy them in bulk. He believes the bill will pass.
The Senate bill has its third reading today and will head to Gov. DeSantis to sign into law. That is
going to overhaul how we conduct business here with a lot of our fire -alarm plans. It will affect how
we inspect them onsite and there will be no plan review requirement. It will be an over-the-counter
purchase, so they'll call us and it will be an as -built situation. They're really complex to vet because
you have spacing of devices and battery calculations that we consider candelas. These are tedious
systems, so even something that is 18 or 19 devices can really be difficult as an as -built system, so
we're looking at ways we can go out as a district. Do we send an inspector at a plan review to meet
with a field inspector to handle these events? We believe we may be going to sites multiple times
before we can get it right. That might not be the best, but it's going to be law, and we're preparing to
meet all the legal requirements that are part of this.
District Consultants: The external stakeholder surveys will probably come directly from the Fire
Chief, a message from Chief Ricardo asking for your input about the district.
g. Operations & Regulatory Management Division — [Jamie French]
Mr. French noted that Commissioner LoCastro was at the meeting and Commissioners don't often attend
DSAC meetings. Mr. French provided several updates:
Month -over -month, we were over that 62,000, close to 63,000 permits issued in calendar year 2021. That is
not all -new construction. But what we have seen is a great deal of growth heading east now, many of them
single-family home lots. We saw more than 200-300 lots the last time he looked at Golden Gate Estates, as
far as platted lots. We picked up a couple of new lots because they've done some five -acre splits. Just like
the traffic heading to the west, it's now taking an additional 10-15 minutes to get to work, if not longer.
There was 7% month -over -month growth just in building permits applied for. We're seeing the balance of
the one- and two-family homes starting to be more stable. We think there's a labor shortage, like we have,
but there are probably also commodity issues still out there remaining only because the price and availability
of commodities have probably not come down that much. He hasn't checked the price of OSB (Oriented
Strand Board) lately, but it reached over $60 a sheet at one point.
Chairman Varian noted that if he wanted to buy trusses today, it would take 35 weeks and they don't even
know the price upfront. That's what we're dealing with.
Mr. French said it's not so much a demand issue because we're seeing the plats come forward and we're
averaging between nine and 10 plats a month, so the average plat is going to carry somewhere between 125,
and could be 200 single-family home lots in a residential community because you're only going to plat what
you can build, what they can sell, so it may not be the entire development. It's just going to be that site
development plan for that particular area, so we're still seeing a great deal of plat activity monthly, and we're
still taking those to the Board.
Inspections: What we're finding is that our inspectors are running somewhere between 33 and 35 inspections
per day. When we ran a comparison against City of Naples and the City of Marco, our average inspector was
driving 85 miles a day, compared to theirs driving at 5 to 10 miles a day. We've been exceptionally grateful
for the support we've received from the Board and the County Manager's office. Between staff and staffing
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shortages that have continued on, as well as just the sheer volume of the numbers, that caused a lot of
overtime and will continue to do so.
We're fortunate that we've been exceptionally conservative for several years. With your support of me over
the last 10-11 years, we've still got enough reserve -fund balance to continue to provide you with at least a
more reliable level of service. Now it's not what we built, the next -day inspections, probably not. We're still
trying to accommodate those inspectors who are calling us to say, "I can't get an inspection and I'm
scheduled for a closing." We don't want you to miss that closing, so we'll do what we can, including going
into the system and doing a manual override to get out there.
So whether it be land -use inspection, an 800-series inspection or a building inspection for final, the team is
still dedicated and will continue to do that. But we're starting to see a bit of stress cracks. We've got some
attrition going on and a bit of burnout.
So, we've got to address some time -off issues with staff who have built up more vacation time because
they've worked more. He often gets a notification from the HR department, a blind copy, that says, "Hey,
I've got a director, or I've got an employee who's got more than 440 hours. You can't earn more than that."
That's alarming because that tells me that employee probably hasn't taken a vacation for a year or two.
They're just working. That's OK, but it gets to a point where the machine starts breaking down a bit, and that
that gives me some concern.
But the good news is that we are bringing those positions forward to the Board of County Commissioners
this Tuesday. So, here's a great opportunity to be able to speak to the Commissioner and talk about how
imperative those are to you.
He's gone over the Enterprise Fund before, but about 56% of our inspections are structural inspections, with
about 9% mechanical, 9% plumbing, 9% HVAC. They balance out pretty evenly across those sections. Pre -
application meetings have more than doubled. We're getting a great deal more tire kicking, we'll call it.
They're paying the $500. We're noticing some of the pre-apps are not coming back in for submittal. We've
got some that are coming forward and talking about the affordable -housing piece.
Looking at the start, at the pre-app, we went back and took a small study of about 10 or 12 different
communities on how much time it actually took because there was a question, or it came up in discussion,
about whether we should be skipping the Planning Commission. The Planning Commission does a couple
things for the Board. They clean the item up before it gets to the Board, so the Board can sit there and make
a decision. What we saw was probably somewhere between a 30- and 90-day savings.
But the product, from pre -application to CO, no matter whether it had a GMPA or whether it was simply a
rezoning entitlement, was somewhere between 32 and 38 months. So, we found the PUDS actually took
more time than those that came in with the GMPA. The thought was that the ones we saw with the GMPA
involved the same developer making the application and seeing it all the way through. Whereas when we
were just going through the entitlement and the GMPA wasn't required, we assumed, because there was an
eight- to nine -month gap, they could have gotten the rezone because there was a contract purchase, so at that
point, now they're looking for their builder.
So again, we didn't get too far down in decision making, but timewise, he worked with the County
Attorney's Office for about three days on this, and we went back through and looked at that, but the pre -
application meetings have more than doubled.
Vacation Rentals: Going back through and looking at some of the land -development services, you'll see it up
front at the zoning counter. Most activity right now appears to be vacation rentals. Although that data is not
available to us, we think it's somewhere between 10,000-12,000 vacation rentals. We've only had about 600
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or 700 that have signed up. Code Enforcement is going to have a bit of work to do with the Sheriff's Office.
We are very appreciative of Code Enforcement. There are only about 20-25 investigators at any given time,
and we do have some contract labor, but it's a big county to cover with such a small staff. Any questions?
Mr. Curl said that for a year, Eric Fey came to the DSAC because he couldn't get a position reclassified
through HR. You're also talking about shortfalls within your department. You haven't specifically named
HR, but can somebody please tell me because I'm on the Productivity Committee, as well, and I'm hearing it
through Fleet Management that HR won't do this or that for us. Are they untouchable or something? Am I
missing something? Do they work for you or are they ignoring requests? Could you shed some light on that
please?
Chairman Varian said he had a similar question. He remembered that during his tenure, there was a
specific person at HR who was knowledgeable about this department who worked for the department almost
exclusively. Does that still happen?
Mr. French said that in 2011, he went to the Board of County Commissioners and asked for positions, one
of which was an HR position that he paid for, or that you paid for because we're an Enterprise Fund and your
customers pay our salary. Over time, that position was taken from our group and he wasn't certain what the
allocation was now. But the thought was that when he brought the Executive Summary forward with your
support, we understood the growth in the market.
We also understood that you represented probably about 10%-12% of the gross domestic product of this
County, employing at least 20% in some form or fashion, a relationship from the economics on what this
industry does, as far as the impact. So, whether you're working at Home Depot, Naples Lumber or you're a
contractor or subcontractor, no matter what the job is, the bottom line here is that we really needed, not just
in a leadership position with Nick [Casalanguida] there, but also from the support side, someone who is able
not to walk in our shoes for a mile, but able to live in our heads for 30 seconds because this business is
complex for a reason. The regulatory practices are difficult because they address the built environment, the
natural environment, economics and socioeconomics. It takes a number of different things into consideration
as we move forward, allow forward development or escort development through its process. But we did have
a position.
Mr. Curl said he's bringing this up because in the Productivity Committee, one of the ideas for Fleet
Management, which was similar to inspections, was to take the company truck home. Why wouldn't you
offer that as an incentive for pay? All he was told about pushback was, "Now wait, eight charters. Got it?
You need to wait." So, he was frustrated because he sees these problems — and this isn't an overnight
problem — and these work together. We've been talking about this for a year and now it's starting to affect
trusses, concrete blocks, and all that's doing is raising construction costs. He's not saying the approvals are
part of that inefficiency, but he believes they're adding to it and causing construction costs to rise. He was
happy with the Commission when they picked Mark Isackson as County Manager. He's hoping the next
County Manager can look at things such as HR, growth management and PUD. If they can't drill down into
those complex layers to make this all work, this problem will continue.
Mr. French said it's a complex business and it's a complex business for a reason. And to have that level of
support from HR, IT, Fleet Management. He hears what Jeff Curl is saying because we were at one time the
only group where there were 18 inspectors who were driving all the way to the Charlotte County line
because it was a benefit. But he had to write a business case to show the financials and talk about the value
of confidence in the market from the regulatory standpoint and how it impacts you. He wrote those formulas
and had to present them to [former County Manager] Leo Ochs. So, he's been very fortunate to have been in
a leadership role and to garner that level of support and trust from the industry, the community, the County
Manager's Office and the Board.
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He doesn't believe HR makes those decisions, as far as trucks. That could just be a business decision by Risk
Management or the County Manager's Office. Getting back to HR, what they've grown to and their level of
support, he won't say it's diminished, it's just changed. Our demands have increased and it's not the fact that
you as a group hasn't said. "Look we're an Enterprise Fund, we're willing to pay for it." He appreciates that,
but we're all part of a large agency working for the County Managers Office. And he knows that's a draw
back to you because we can't move as fast as the private sector, or as fast as the private sector needs.
But the last thing he wants to do is sacrifice that level of confidence that you've put in him or this staff and
team. He wants to be able to say, "Listen, we're going to find a way to accommodate you," and it's long
hours, it's a lot of stress at times, and it's very complicated. But we'll get there. He's confident that they will
and he's asking for continued support. And if you've got questions for HR, you're in a great position with
the Productivity Committee. And if that's what the will of this advisory committee is, to pass that along to
the County Manager's Office, to say, "Hey, listen, they want to see some more effort on the recruiting side,"
then he'll be happy to do it. But as far as staff, there's an established level of service and he asks that
question a lot.
Mr. Dunnavant said we have been supportive. We feel like we do pay for those positions. They further the
business that we bring to the County. As we've talked about in the past, you can advertise every position you
want, but if you don't have competitive rates to try and get people, they're going elsewhere, other
communities, other private industry. And we've been frustrated at times by the time it takes to get that rate
study and how we get to where we can offer people enticing positions here at the County.
Mr. French said he agreed. After the rate study was done and after the Board approved it, he received a call
from an engineering firm that said they were going to have to pay their employees more money. But you
understand everybody is going to pay more money, you're in the same position. He's appreciative that the
BCC took the time and he recognizes that they have to look at the entire organization, as HR does. We're not
really singled out. We may be different, and maybe that's the case, and maybe if we had someone and
perhaps during our next budget cycle, he'll ask for an HR person who looks at the analytics on how we're
doing as far as competitiveness, retention in the market, and where the market is going. So, we either staff up
or staff down and that could go as far as making cases for contract services, vendor services, job bank or full
time.
Mr. Curl said he's not suggesting that government needs to get even larger and more bloated. What he's
suggesting is targeting an actual efficiency, that somebody in upper -level management looks top -down and
asks you as directors, "What do you need, what can we do to improve it?" When he hears we're looking at a
right-of-way study. Really? It means to me that you guys should be helping with approvals. Again, that
speaks to efficiency from the private side. So, if we don't have somebody targeting where those holes are in
the man hours, and when you're saying that directors are doing overtime, that's a shortage of staff if they're
filling in to do that. Can't somebody who is paid less do that job more efficiently or are you just looking to
burn out the directors?
Mr. French said they're all working overtime hours. How can he expect the team to put in 60 hours a week
if he's not willing to do it myself?
Mr. Curl commended him on his management style.
Mr. French said the reason they need to go back and look at the right-of-way documents is because they're
dynamic in nature, they're not static, and they have to be like the LDC. It's because we recognize that the
problem with the review process may be the way the policy is written. To change it, he has to change the
policy and go back and fix what he inherited. We inherited the Right -of -Way Handbook. There are some
breaks in it, he's trying to get them fixed and he needs to get it done. There will be a tenfold payoff. It's
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worth it because what we're seeing is that the way it's written, we're making decisions where we're giving
denials only because of the fact it doesn't say we can.
Mr. Curl said he's not trying to beat on him. He's just saying things like the Right -of -Way Handbook are a
perfect example. Here's what happens now. In the process, you come up with suggestions, we see it as the
subcommittee, all this back and forth. He suggested a charette instead. Get everybody in the room, talk about
it at one time, develop it together, and go from there, instead of this back and forth like it's pickleball.
Mr. French said they're a great colleague and they're a wonderful partner and they're doing their best to
support us. But it comes to a point where we run an average of about 17-20 vacancies and we have for the
last year, which is no different than the industry. We're not getting nearly the placements. It takes a long
time to hire people and some of that may be on us because we're too busy trying to help customers rather
than trying to schedule interviews. We've been down this road before. We'll get there. Your continued
support and criticism are welcome.
Chairman Varian asked how many vacancies he had, 25 or 30 vacancies, and he's only asking for what?
Mr. French said there are about 20. When he went back and looked at it, he could have confidently asked
for 27. But he divided it by three. There's a reason, a rationale and it's because that formula has never failed
us. The issue is why would we hire somebody that we're just going to lay off in perhaps a year? So, he'd
rather come back in periodically if he sees growth. Right now, we're on a little downward trend, but it looks
like a downward trend because it's only a two-year snapshot. Back the window out and look at 10 years
where the numbers were giant. Can he do it with this number that he sees now with nine people? Absolutely.
He could still justify 27, but if the market fluctuated at all, then he'd be looking at cutting staff and he's been
there before.
In the Enterprise Fund world, he's neither pro -development nor anti -development. He's a regulator, but he
operates on an Enterprise Fund, so he constantly keeps his eye on that money. If the dollars aren't coming in
to pay for the service, then he's got about $7 million in outstanding services at any given time that he owes
them. So, he has to guard that $7 million because he has a statutory obligation to always be able to provide.
When they turn off the switch or turn it back on, he's still on the hook and he can't collect any more money.
And that was the problem we ran into in 2010. So, we're not going to go there again. Nine employees is a
good number, 10 is a good number, but as soon as he gets to 15, give him six months and if he needs to go
back and ask again, he'll ask for more. The worst that can happen is they'll say "no."
Mr. Mulhere said he must access the zoning maps every day. The CAD system has a lot more information
and for some reason, it only takes 25 minutes to load those maps. They're just PDFs and he's sure there's a
fix for the zoning maps.
Mr. Regula said they're working on maps that will be contained in a single application. He asked if the
PDFs take long to open. (Mr. Mulhere said they did.) He's nearly 100% sure the problem is on the County's
side because they open quickly internally. He believes it may have something to do with the change in the
County domain name and because they use both names.
Mr. French explained that Ken Kovensky is not at this meeting because he has a strong background in IT,
an Ivy league education, his master's degree is in IT, he's our finance director, and he was a programmer for
SAP. He's helping conduct interviews today to hire an IT director. We need him on that interview panel to
ensure the County employs somebody to best address your needs, especially because 96% of our business is
online. COVID didn't slow us down. Because they'd been working on the online portal system for three
years, he alerted to tell them they could use the online portal. We just needed a reason to go live.
Chairman Varian commended John, Rich and staff for being able to fit in all their inspections.
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Mr. French said they're fortunate to have the team they have.
Commissioner Rick LoCastro said he's the only commissioner working full time and can be found at his
County office or out in the county working. He's at this meeting because he wants to know how things work,
and learns something new every day.
When citizens encouraged him to run, one of the reasons he waited is that he spoke to a lot of mentors and
others and knew what a big job it was. He commended DSAC members for volunteering to make the process
better and asked if there was anything he could do to help as a commissioner. He also commended Jamie
French for being one of the County's top people. He wants to meet other people who are part of the process.
After approving the vacation rental registrations as a commissioner, he said he's concerned about the number
who aren't registered. Vacation rental numbers are around 12,000, but only 625 registered and the deadline
is April 3. He knows the County is shortstaffed, so where is the team of 500 people that are going to catch
the 11,500 people that haven't registered yet? That's a real concern. He said he oten speaks police on Marco
Island and Collier County deputies and they tell him they show up and there are 50 people in a two -bedroom
house at 3 a.m. and they're loud. He hopes this doesn't turn them into rental police. He hopes the registration
process provides traction and helps law enforcement by providing the homeowner's name and holding them
accountable.
He asked if he could help with the HR situation and the dedicated HR person they once had. He said he'd
make that his assignment, to talk to the County Manager about it because this is an important department. He
noted that HR has a $1.2 million payroll, he was happy the County didn't hire a headhunting firm after
Commissioner Saunders changed his vote, and finding this new hire is a test to see if HR does its job well.
He said if they can't find the right person for the job, they should all be fired. He asked if they had any
questions, how could he help them.
Mr. Where said their ability is to be of assistance in getting a better product in land code and building
code amendments and making it understandable for Commissioners before they read it.
Commissioner LoCastro told them not to assume the commissioners are all in their offices looking through
the documents. He urged them to get on his calendar to talk. He said he can talk honestly with developers
and he's here to work. He plans to come to the DSAC meeting every month.
Mr. Brooker said the DSAC reviews the Land Development Code amendments that are being proposed and
has a unique perspective from the development industry on what may work. What may be problematic is that
part of the Land Development Code amendments come as a result of a Growth Management Plan
amendment or text change, which automatically generates a required LDC amendment that's consistent with
that GMP amendment. Under County ordinances, the DSAC does not have the authority to review GMP
amendments. Perhaps their thinking was that they didn't want the development industry involved in higher
policies, but the GMP has evolved over the years to be quite specific. In certain circumstances, it's targeting
certain small areas for certain development or certain growth that DSAC has specialized knowledge about.
He's mentioned a few times in the past few months that DSAC should be granted the authority to review
GMP amendments.
Commissioner LoCastro asked if they'd ever had the authority.
Mr. Where said they had not, it was written that way, but it could easily be amended to include it.
Mr. Brooker said he didn't believe it was a deliberate decision to exclude DSAC, but it probably developed
before the LDC. He said their powers should be amended to include the authority, to expand their power. He
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suggested that Commissioner LoCastro could talk to the County Manager, and it could be brought to the
BCC for a vote.
Ms. Spurgeon said County Attorney Jeff Klatzkow would be a good start.
Mr. Mulhere reminded him that they only have advisory abilities.
Commissioner LoCastro noted that everyone thought Deputy County Manager Nick Casalanguida would
be the next County Manager, but he left. He said the problem is that the County doesn't have a stable of
candidates. He hoped the new hire for County Manager would be an internal candidate. He urged staff to
apply and asked DSAC to encourage anyone they think would be good to apply. He said he'd be back to
report what the County Manager has to say about the dedicated HR position.
h. Zoning Division — [Eric Johnson, Zoning Planning Manager]
(None)
6. New Business
7. Old Business
8. Committee Member Comments
(None)
9. Adjourn
Future Meeting Dates:
April 6, 2022, 3 p.m.
May 4, 2022, 3 p.m.
June 1, 2022, 3 p.m.
Mr. Mulhere made a motion to adjourn. Second by Mr. Boughton. The motion carried unanimously, 11-0. (Mr.
Valle left the meeting before the vote.)
There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjourned by the order of the
chairman at 4:42 p.m.
COLLIER COUNTY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES
ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Chairman, William Varian
These minutes were approved by the Committee/Chairman on , as presented (choose one)
, or as amended
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MINUTES OF THE COLLIER COUNTY
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE
LAND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING
Naples, Florida, January 19, 2022
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, the Collier County Development Services Advisory
Committee-LDR Subcommittee, in and for the County of Collier, having conducted
business herein, met on this date at 3:00 P.M. in REGULAR SESSION at the Collier
County Growth Management Department Building, Conference Room #609/610,
2800 N. Horseshoe Drive, Naples, Florida, with the following members present:
Chairman: Clay Brooker
Robert Mulhere
Mark McLean (excused)
Jeff Curl
Blair Foley (excused)
ALSO PRESENT: Richard Henderlong, Principal Planner
Sean Kingston, Senior Planner
Jaime Cook, Director, Development Review
Andrew Youngblood, Operations Analyst
Cormac Giblin, Planning Manager, Development Review
Jacob LaRow, Manager, Housing and Grant Development
Rachel Hansen, Senior Planner
Christine Fisher, Johnson Engineering
Laura DeJohn, Johnson Engineering
John "Jake" Harney, Habitat for Humanity of Collier County
January 19, 2022
Any persons in need of the verbatim record of the meeting may request a copy of the audio
recording from the Collier County Growth Management Department.
1. Call to Order - Chairman
Chairman Brooker called the meeting to order at 3:01 p.m. A quorum consisting of three
members was convened.
2. Approval of Agenda
Mr. Curl moved to approve the agenda. Second by Mr. Mulhere. Carried unanimously, 3-0.
3. Old Business
a. LDC Amendments
i. PL20200001291-Community Housing Plan Initiatives 2 through 5
Mr. Henderlong told committee members that Eric Johnson, Principal Planner,
usually handles this, but is unable to be here today, so Christine Fisher from Johnson
Engineering will be presenting and going over the changes. Committee members saw
the amendment last year, in June 2021. The County Attorney also made many changes.
This meeting is to review all the changes.
Ms. Fisher: In 2017, the ULI concluded that Collier County had a housing affordability problem
and recommended six core strategies. Later that year, the Board _accepted the Community Housing
Plan and authorized staff to begin implementation. The LDC amendments that you see implement
several of those initiatives, 2 through 5, from the CHP.
• Initiative 2 streamlining conversion of commercial to residential zoning when approving,
providing affordable housing.
• Initiative 3 is increasing activity centers from the density and activity centers from 16 to 25
dwelling units an acre when providing affordable housing.
• Initiative 4 was a creation of strategic opportunity sites (SOS). SOS as a subdistrict within the
GMP for mixed use and density of up to 25 dwelling units to an acre when integrated with non-
residential land uses with a high degree of employment opportunities.
• Initiative 5 is to increase density along bus transit corridors or transportation, transit -oriented
development.
A draft was presented to this subcommittee on June 15th, 2021, and the subcommittee
recommended removing the word "inner" from the definition of "transit core" and applying the
provisions for mixed -use development to the C4 and C5 districts, in addition to 1 through 3.
These revisions are included in this draft.
At the direction of the County Attorney's Office, staff was asked to make three additional
revisions, primarily within LDC Section 2.07.00, but they affect other areas, as well. The first
changed the verification -certification process from pricing only, which was an established housing
price or rent affordability threshold, to income verification to be consistent with other housing
programs. This also affected the program title, so it's now the Mixed -Income Housing Program
for Housing That is Affordable.
The second requested revision revised the commitment timeframe, which originally was set for 10
years. They wanted it to be revised to 30 years to align with the tax -credit financing, which is the
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primary financing tool for affordable housing. Most true income -restricted housing always
requires a subsidy.
The third change was removing the requirement that the program applicants be employed within
Collier County since that would be too difficult for the county to monitor for compliance and
because of the change to income, rather than employment, qualification.
Regarding the LDC section that the subcommittee requested to be removed from the definition of
transit core, that's on page 3. The definition is the area within one -quarter mile radius around the
transit stop, shelter or station, and it's measured as a radial distance from the perimeter of the
building or structure footprint of the transit stop, shelter or station.
Chairman Brooker said they'd seen much of this but asked if the Mixed -Income Housing
Program was all new.
Ms. Fisher said it was not new language, just a new name and it's now income -verified. Before,
it was a fixed -price point. The language was then modified within the 2.07 section.
Mr. Curl asked why the Collier County residency requirement was removed if the county is trying
to encourage housing in rapid -transit or mass -transit situations. That seems like it's at odds.
Ms. Fisher said it wasn't a residency requirement. It was employment within Collier County and
the County Attorney's Office was concerned that monitoring that would be too difficult.
Mr. Curl still contended that was at odds, allowing them to increase density along the corridor.
He said residents should be encouraged to use CAT. He called it two separate things.
Ms. Fisher said she understood and mentioned the discussion that took place with the County
Attorney's Office, and that ultimately, the monitoring aspect of the provision was the big concern
for the County Attorney's Office, because they feared the County wouldn't be able to verify it.
Mr. Curl asked what other methods then are used, for example, to decrease parking allotments
per dwelling unit, to encourage occupants to use buses. His perception was that the provisions
were just a token, and that the message to developers is to simply request higher density if sites
are located along a CAT route.
Ms. Fisher responded by saying there are numerous requirements.
Mr. Curl cited concern because the employment requirement, asking that they be employed within
the county, was removed.
Ms. Fisher said there is no TOD transportation -oriented development provision. It's whatever
density a developer can do based on zoning, so this provides an additional layer of having the
ability to go up to 25 dwelling units an acre. However, a developer must provide something to
back it up and it's a tiered bonus system, so a developer has to do many on the different levels of
affordability. There are design standards involved and they must do a Planned -Unit Development,
which would be in the agreement.
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Mr. Henderlong informed the Committee that are changes in rewording to LDC section 2.07.02
Program Criteria.
Ms. Fisher said that section, on page 14, involved rewording for verification of income for
program eligibility. It was reorganized, separating out the commitment from the verification and
certification.
Mr. Henderlong noted that 2, 3, 4, and 5 were modified or reworded.
Mr. Curl asked if anyone else provided input or was it just the County Attorney who took a broad
stroke at revisions.
Ms. Fisher said other staff members also provided revisions and everything was reviewed. She
pointed out a change that occurred since the last meeting: Staff added a minimum size to Table
2. The building dimensional standards for principal uses in the base zoning districts have now been
added for the C=1 through C-5 Zoning Districts, and the sizes are consistent with the minimum
sizes that are required in the RMF-12 and RMF-16 zoning districts.
Mr. Henderlong mentioned it was a new table.
Mr. Curl noted that below the table, he can see that you can have 10 feet between structures. If
I'm 75 feet tall, I only need 10 feet between structures, is that correct? He called it "absolutely
massive."
Mr. Henderlong read from that section in the June document, which the subcommittee reviewed,
and noted that language was there then, and it was 10 feet for a commercial zoning project.
Mr. Mulhere said what might help would be to say, "or as otherwise may be required by the Florida Fire
Prevention Code." He believed there were requirements under that code that require a greater separation.
Audience: That involves C-3 only.
Mr. Mulhere said it would probably be okay because the minimum Fire Prevention Code would apply.
Chairman Brooker suggested changing the footnote so that it only applies to the C-3 zoning district.
Mr. Curl asked to clarify the meaning of the existing "A" minimum distance between buildings depicted
in Table 2.
Mr. Cormac Giblin stated "A" equals 50% of the sum of the heights of the buildings, but not less than
15 feet.
Mr. Mulhere inquired about LDC section 4.02.40 A.4. in footnote #1 under Table 2, page 19. He did
not have a problem with the minimum distance separation at 10 feet for 50-foot height as a single-family
home is 7.5 feet and mostly 40-feet tall.
Mr. Curl commented about the lack of screening with the proposed provisions in LDC section 4.02.40
AA.b. A Type B buffer won't do anything for a building of that height in terms of screening. Shopping
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centers have a more stringent buffer requirement. Trees are upgraded based on their square footage. He
didn't see any required landscaping upgrades to these dense projects.
Mr. Mulhere asked about the required buffers along common boundaries abutting single-family
dwelling units and if it matters whether it is attached or detached single-family.
Mr.Mulhere said in a Type B buffer of 15 feet, it requires a 5-foot hedge and trees, 25 feet on center,
but does not require a wall. He recommended a 6-foot prefabricated or masonry wall be required when
adjacent to a single family dwelling.
Ms. Fisher noted that the setback increases according to the building height.
Mr. Mulhere said he understood not wanting to increase costs to incentivize affordable housing;
but said something more substantial should be considered, in terms of planting something that
provides a greater degree of opacity. A larger hedge could be required.
Mr. Curl suggested taller trees and cited 14-foot-tall trees that are required in shopping centers.
Mr. Mulhere suggested consulting Mark Templeton. Instead of an expensive wall, he suggested
something more substantial in terms of the plantings.
Mr. Curl discussed the June 2021 version of the LDC amendment and commented that he did not
want to eliminate trees from the core of the project but those would be dispersed to the perimeter.
Mr. Mulhere suggested larger trees (25 feet on center) or larger shrubs size, so that you get more
growth.
Mr. Curl said landscaping is the cheapest thing you can add to any of these projects because
masonry walls are expensive. To add it as a buffer, it will protect single-family homes.
Ms. Fisher said these apply only to commercial districts that are now getting and allow residential.
This will make for more compatibility.
Chairman Brooker said he was getting confused by the order of discussion.
Mr. Henderlong said "we go page, by page" over the changes, which is a better approach.
Chairman Brooker said the document would be easier to read if the new changes were in a
different color than blue. It is difficult to know what the committee members saw in June and what
the County attorney did.
Mr. Henderlong said we could highlight changes in yellow.
Ms. Fisher said she wasn't involved with the original, so she doesn't know what has evolved with
the changes. She could explain the County attorney's changes.
Mr. Mulhere questioned why, on page 4, everywhere throughout the document, the singular word
"dwelling" is used when it says, for example, single family attached, multi -family or townhouses."
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But, is it really limited to multi -family, single-family attached, or town -houses? Or are they just
examples? He suggested that it be changed to conform with the defined term in the LDC: to
"dwelling units."
Chairman Brooker asked to review the top of page 4, line 3, the density rating system. How does
this tie into LDC Section 2.05.01? He questioned whether, on page 12, LDC section 2.05.01,
Density Standards and Housing Types, is identical to the density ratings system in the Growth
Management Plan? When referring to density ratings system, what are we referring to on line 3?
Is it the FLUE? Upon reading, a person would not know what the density rating system is. Consider
saying as set forth in the growth management plan or provided in FLUE.
Mr. Henderlong said it starts on page 14, LDC Section 2.07.01 footnote 2.
Chairman Brooker said upon reading, a person would not know what the density rating system
is on page 4. Consider saying "set forth as provided in the Growth Management Plan or in the
FLUE."
Mr. Mulhere, on page 14, section 2.07.01 A. states the intent is to provide a mix of housing for
the use of density bonuses. He questioned would a project that only provides "Gap -income levels"
or "moderate income levels" meet the definition of housing affordability.
Ms. Fisher said developers wouldn't be able to maximize their potential, using this program,
unless they were providing a mix of income levels. It was acknowledged that a mix is using any
one of the income levels and the program would not be used unless there is a mix.
Chairman Brooker commented that the text, on line 25 page 14, is unclear and confusing when
terms are capitalized but not defined and then sometime uncapitalized, such as Housing that is
Affordable. It occurs throughout the amendment and when it is bolded it would refer to a particular
definition.
Ms. Fisher said it is the housing affordable program itself and it can relate back to sections such
as Housing that is Affordable in section 4.02.40.
Chairman Booker questioned, on line 1 of page 15, if everyone understood the acronym "DO"
and is it a defined term.
Mr. Henderlong put up on the screen the definition and Mr. Mulhere said it was okay or change
it to read the full term.
Mr. Mulhere asked Jake Harney, from Habitat for Humanity, whether the county really wants to
incentivize affordable_ owner -occupied housing, which he called the "kiss of death." (He agreed it
works well for rentals.) He also asked how they lived with a 30-year restriction.
Mr. Harney said all their projects in progress today are "by right" and they're not asking for
density bonuses on any of them. Currently, there are -building four units per acre in Immokalee and
six in Naples.
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Mr. Mulhere said that was a long time for ownership product to be restricted. He noted that they'd
talked about a lower restriction to incentivize, unless it's someone familiar with federal tax -
incentive programs. A lower number should be considered.
Mr. Giblin said No. 4 says you can sell any time you want, but it restricts your equity. The 30-
year restriction on a "for -sale" product is a deed restriction. If you sell three years later, you just
won't make as much profit. On the ownership side, you are allowed 5 percent (profit) per year.
Mr. Mulhere called it an insane period of time, but he was okay with it. He doubted anyone would
make much selling, except now, when housing prices are high.
Chairman Brooker asked if applicability of specific design criteria within the C-1 through C-5
zoning districts and now whether Section C applies only to the C-4 and C-5 zoning districts. Is that
by design and intentional?
Ms. Fisher said it was. I applies to the C-1, C-2 and C-3 zoning districts, applicability.
Chairman Brooker mentioned, line 10 of page 18, it no longer applies to the C-1, C-2 or C-3
zoning districts, just the C-4 and C-5 zoning districts. Then C.3.b talks about the C-1, C-2 and C-
3 zoning districts. Was he reading it wrong? Is it intentional?
Ms. Fisher said B is the applicability for C-1,C-2 and C-3.
Chairman Brooker further questioned the applicability of the provisions of the Commercial
Mixed -Use Design Criteria of LDC section 4.02.38 C.
Mr. Mulhere agreed something was missing there.
Ms. Fisher agreed No. 2 was missing and it didn't change. She said they'll look at it again.
Mr. Mulhere noted that focus on affordable housing goes in waves due to the increase in property
values and the significant lack of affordability. He appreciated the work everyone was doing and
said he wasn't trying to be critical but wants to make it right
Ms. Fisher said they would review the committee's recommendations and comments and make
some adjustments.
Ms. Fisher said the GMP still needs to be approved first.
Chairman Brooker noted the subcommittee changes would come back to DSAC.
[During the meeting, Mr. Henderlong typed all suggestions into the document for review and
approval.]
Mr. Mulhere made a motion to forward the amendments and subcommittee changes to the full
DSAC, with a recommendation to review and approve the changes the subcommittee suggested,
most of which are for clarification, and to look at requiring a vegetative buffer when a mixed -use
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project or residential project, in commercial, is adjacent to a single family development. Mr. Curl
seconded it. The motion carried unanimously, 3-0.
Chairman Brooker requested that staff include the concerns and comments of the DSAC-LDR and
whether or how they were incorporated into the amendment.
Mr. Mulhere recommended including the entire sections of the existing LDC and proposed text sections
(for ease of reading) for when it is reviewed by the CCPC and BCC. For clarity, staff agreed to add the
existing LDC section's text.
4. New Business
a. LDC Amendments
i. PL20210001560 — Golden Gate Estates Lot Divisions
Mr. Henderlong gave an overhead presentation on the amendment to LDC section 4.03.06 Golden Gate
Estates Lot Division and Appendix B, Typical Street Sections and Right -of -Way Design Standards. The
subcommittee went through those amendments and suggested additional changes.
[Mr. Henderlong typed the clarifications and changes into the document to send for DSAC's review.]
He noted that this amendment shall clarify and require an access driveway with improvements to other
lots, when vacant Golden Gate Estates' platted tracts that are not located on an existing roadway are
subdivided into lots for connection to an existing roadway frontage lot. Staff identified 44-plus vacant lots,
tracts that are 6.75 acres or larger, that could be subdivided into three or more lots. Over the past 30 years,
the County has approved various minor subdivisions with differing improvement requirements, and by this
amendment shall exempt these tracts of land from the construction plan and final subdivision plat, i.e., the
PPL process, where there are no required subdivision improvements. Four examples are illustrated in the
packet, Exhibit A.
Additionally, for Golden Gate Estate tracts of land that are subdivided from the front of the tract into
additional lots that are behind the abutting front lot of an existing right-of-way, the amendment would
require an access, utility and drainage easement, a 20-foot, dust -free driveway, and cul-de-sac or
turnaround improvement. This is a new design for the dust -free gravel driveway relative to the Golden
Gate access easement and is added in LDC Section, Appendix B.
Staff is recommending approval of the amendment, with the yellow highlighted changes recommended by
the County Attorney's Office.
Mr. Mulhere said any particular project could not exceed 20 acres and asked about easement drainage
access and the 20-foot dustless surface. Is it crushed rock?
Mr. Henderlong said it was Size 3 gravel. They could use Size 4 or higher, but staff thought Size 3 was
fine. The easement is 30-feet wide.
Mr. Mulhere noted that the changes will make it a lot easier and less expensive to subdivide to three or
four without having to put a road in.
Mr. Henderlong noted that they've done 19 over the years administratively with the full construction
plans and plat. This will allow the County Manager to proceed with a minor plat approval.
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Chairman Brooker asked if it was appropriate to say this would reduce the cost to property owners.
Mr. Henderlong said that was correct, that it was described that way in the narrative.
Chairman Brooker asked for clarification. So, as it reads now, when platted Golden Gate Estate tracts are
subdivided into three or more lots from front -to -back and are not on an existing right-of-way, I assume it means
one or more of those newly created lots are not on an existing right-of-way.
Mr. Henderlong said none of the lots can be on an existing right-of-way. If you have a tract on existing, or three
tracts that are on existing rights -of -way, you can't subdivide it and you've got the right-of-way. So the front lot
has to be on an existing right-of-way and the other tracts are behind it.
Mr. Mulhere said you can't subdivide it using this process, but everybody has access.
Mr. Henderlong said he could clarify that the front lot is not on an existing right-of-way.
Chairman Brooker said it needs to be clearer. It could say "one or more of such lots do not front on an
existing right-of-way." He also suggested adding: "The owner or subdivider of such tracts shall be
responsible for providing access to all lots by constructing ..."
Mr. Mulhere made a motion to recommend approval of the amendments, with the subcommittee's
suggested changes. Mr. Curl seconded it. The motion carried unanimously, 3-0.
b. Confirm Remaining 2022 meeting dates:
i. March 9, 2022
ii. June 15, 2022
iii. September 21, 2022
iv. December 14, 2022
Mr. Henderlong asked committee members to notify him by email if they have conflicts.
5. Public Comments
None
6. Adjourn
There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjourned by the
order of the chair at 3:59 P.M.
COLLIER COUNTY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES
ADVISORY COMMITTEE
LAND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE
Chairman Clay Brooker
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These minutes were approved by the subcommittee/chairman on (check one) as
presented , or as amended
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February 22, 2022 — March 21, 2022 Code Cases by Category
Code Enforcement Division Monthly Report
February 22, 2022 — March 21, 2022 Highlights
• Cases opened: 628
• Cases closed due to voluntary compliance: 358
• Property inspections: 2516
• Lien searches requested: 1607
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This report reflects monthly data from February 22, 2022 — March 21, 2022
February 22, 2022 — March 21, 2022 Code Cases by Category
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This report reflects monthly data from February 22, 2022 — March 21, 2022
February 22, 2022 — March 21, 2022 Code Cases by Category
Site Development
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Animals — Prohibited animals, too many animals, etc.
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Land Use — Prohibited land use, roadside stands, outdoor storage, synthetic drugs, zoning issues, etc.
Noise - Construction, early morning landscaping, bar or club, outdoor bands, etc.
Nuisance Abatement — Litter, grass overgrowth, waste container pits, exotics, etc.
Occupational Licensing — Home occupation violations, no business tax receipts, kenneling. etc.
Parking Enforcement - Parking within public right-of-way, handicap parking, etc.
Property Maintenance - Unsanitary conditions, no running water, green pools, structure in disrepair, etc.
Protected Species - Gopher Tortoise, sea turtles lighting, bald eagles, etc.
Right of Way - Construction in the public right-of-way, damaged culverts, obstruction to public right-of-way, etc.
Signs - No sign permits, illegal banners, illegal signs on private property, etc.
Site Development -Building permits, building alterations, land alterations, etc.
Temporary Land Use - Special events, garage sales, promotional events, sidewalk sales, etc.
Vegetation Requirements — Tree maintenance, sight distance triangle, tree pruning, land clearing, landfill, preserves, etc.
Vehicles - License plates invalid, inoperable vehicles, grass parking, RV parking, other vehicle parking etc
This report reflects monthly data from February 22, 2022 — March 21, 2022
December 22, 2021— January 21, 2022 Code Cases by Category
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Noise - Construction, early morning landscaping, bar or club, outdoor bands, etc.
Nuisance Abatement — Litter, grass overgrowth, waste container pits, exotics, etc.
Occupational Licensing — Home occupation violations, no business tax receipts, kenneling. etc.
Parking Enforcement - Parking within public right-of-way, handicap parking, etc.
Property Maintenance - Unsanitary conditions, no running water, green pools, structure in disrepair, etc.
Protected Species - Gopher Tortoise, sea turtles lighting, bald eagles, etc.
Right of Way - Construction in the public right-of-way, damaged culverts, obstruction to public right-of-way,tc.
Signs - No sign permits, illegal banners, illegal signs on private property, etc.
Site Development -Building permits, building alterations, land alterations, etc.
Temporary Land Use - Special events, garage sales, promotional events, sidewalk sales, etc.
Vegetation Requirements — Tree maintenance, sight distance triangle, tree pruning, land clearing, landfill, preserves, etc.
Vehicles - License plates invalid, inoperable vehicles, grass parking, RV parking, other vehicle parking etc.
This report reflects monthly data from January 22, 2021— February 21, 2022
November 22, 2021— December 21, 2021 Code Cases by Category
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Noise - Construction, early morning landscaping, bar or club, outdoor bands, etc.
Nuisance Abatement — Litter, grass overgrowth, waste container pits, exotics, etc.
Occupational Licensing — Home occupation violations, no business tax receipts, kenneling. etc.
Parking Enforcement - Parking within public right-of-way, handicap parking, etc.
Property Maintenance - Unsanitary conditions, no running water, green pools, structure in disrepair, etc.
Protected Species - Gopher Tortoise, sea turtles lighting, bald eagles, etc.
Right of Way - Construction in the public right-of-way, damaged culverts, obstruction to public right-of-way,tc.
Signs - No sign permits, illegal banners, illegal signs on private property, etc.
Site Development -Building permits, building alterations, land alterations, etc.
Temporary Land Use - Special events, garage sales, promotional events, sidewalk sales, etc.
Vegetation Requirements — Tree maintenance, sight distance triangle, tree pruning, land clearing, landfill, preserves, etc.
Vehicles - License plates invalid, inoperable vehicles, grass parking, RV parking, other vehicle parking etc.
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Co Ier County
Public Utilities Department
March 3, 2022 Engineering & Project Management Division
Jaime Cook, Director —Development Review
Growth Management Department
2800 Horseshoe Drive N
Naples, FL 34104
RE: Standard Manhole Rim & Cover
Dear Jaime:
Effective immediately for all sanitary sewer manholes constructed within projects that have not yet held
their pre -construction meetings, please begin requiring use of the USF 227 Ring & AS-1 Cover, as detailed
in the attached proposal, in lieu of the USF 420-C-ORS, as indicated by the current County Approved
Product List (Appendix F of the Collier County Utilities Standards Manual). We further request that your
Engineering Review Section begin requiring use of the attached details in lieu of Utilities Detail Drawing
No. WW-6, Manhole Ring and Cover Detail, which illustrates the old, noncompliant product.
The Florida Department of Environmental Protection (FDEP) updated Rule 62-604, F.A.C., "Collection
Systems and Transmission Facilities," effective October 14, 2021. Among other changes, FDEP adopted
the 2014 edition of the Recommended Standards for Wastewater Facilities (RSWF), also known as the
"Ten States Standards," and released a new version of DEP Form 62-604.300(3)(a),
Notification/Application for Constructing a Domestic Wastewater Collection/Transmissions System.
Pursuant to RSWF 34.2, Part II(5)22 of the new form requires a minimum access diameter of 24 inches.
The old standard rim and cover has an access diameter of only 20-5/8 inches. Replacement of the current
standard is necessary to comply with the new rule, and the proposed standard rim and cover are
compliant while being similar in height, appearance, durability, features, and price.
This proposed standard will be incorporated into the next amendment to the Collier County Utilities
Standards Manual, which must be approved by resolution of the Collier County Board of County
Commissioners, acting as the ex officio board of the Collier County Water -Sewer District. In the meantime,
we respectfully request that contractors be required to abide by the proposed standard to ensure
compliance with the revised FDEP wastewater rules.
Please call or email me with any questions or concerns.
Sincerely,
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Manager — Wastewater; County Engineer Jack McKenna, Manager - Engineering Review Services; Joseph Bianchi, Site Inspections
Supervisor; Michael Lehnhard, Senior Utilities Field Ins - Brett Rosenblum, Principal Project Manager, GMD/DRD; Joanna
Nicholson, Site Plans Reviewer, GMD/DRD; Utility Plan e
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SPECIFIED IN SECTION 099723 #4 BARS ® 12" OC EW OR
EQUAL PER ASTM C-478
4' DIAMETER
PIPE SHALL BE BEVELED y FLOW LINE CHANNELS SHALL BE CLAY
w BRICK HAVING A MINIMUM OF 2" POURED
OR SQUARE FLEXIBLE, RUBBERJ126"
CONCRETE OR 2" GROUTED FINISH, 0.1'
SLEEVE, LOCK— DROP ACROSS MANHOLE
JOINT TYPE WITH FLEXIBLE RUBBER SLEEVE WITH
STAINLESS STEELYy"/FT •>. STAINLESS STEEL STRAP (SEE
STRAP, OR AS? (TYp) DETAIL A —A)
APPROVED BY
COUNTY #4 BARS ® 12" OC EW (4'-0" DIAMETER)
#6 BARS ® 9" OC EW (5'-0" AND
6'-0" DIAMETER)
12" CRUSHED
PVC SEWER c STONE
PIPE
SECTION
SECTION
r REINFORCING STEEL
STEEL
F��7_f7
SEWER PIPE
ELEVATION
DETAIL A -A
WW-4
REVISED: MARCH 2O22
DROP PIPE
ENCASEMENT
WATERTIGHT SEWER MANHOLE FRAME AND
COVER (SEE COUNTY APPROVED PRODUCT
LIST, APPENDIX F), FLUSH WITH GRADE
(25 3/4" MINIMUM DIAMETER)
PAVEMENT—
km
INLET
B" MINIMUM
TO BE POURED
CONCRETE
6` MINIMUM'.t
CLEAR 12" 6"
ro 4-�r
FLOW LINE CHANNELS SHALL BE
CLAY BRICK HAVING A MINIMUM
OF 2" POURED CONCRETE OR
2" GROUTED FINISH, 0.1' DROP
ACROSS MANHOLE
PLASTER
ALL JOINTS
e
.88 4' DIAMETER
Ya" FT
TYP
SECTION
PIPE SHALL BE BEVELED
OR SQUARE
FLEXIBLE, RUBBER
SLEEVE, LOCK -
JOINT TYPE WITH
STAINLESS STEEL
FLEXIBLE RUBBER
STRAP, OR AS
SLEEVE WITH
APPROVED
STAINLESS STEEL
STRAP (SEE DETAIL
A -A)
PVC SEWER
PIPE
SECTION
CAST IRON FRAME
AND COVER (TYP)
REINFORCING STEEL
FINISH ONE COAT
ASPHALTIC PAINT
STAINLESS STEEL
PVC SEWER
PIPE
GROUT (TYP) I �RUBBEF
ELEVATION SLEEVE
DETAIL A -A
MINIMUM OF TWO PRECAST CONCRETE OR HOPE
RISER RINGS AND CHIMNEY SEAL (SEE COUNTY
APPROVED PRODUCT LIST, APPENDIX F) BETWEEN
MANHOLE AND CAST IRON FRAME
ALL INTERIORS OF MANHOLES (PUBLIC AND
PRIVATE) SHALL HAVE INTERNAL PROTECTION
(SEE COUNTY APPROVED PRODUCT LIST,
APPENDIX F) AS SPECIFIED IN SECTION 099723
PLASTIC JOINT SEALING COMPOUND
(SEE COUNTY APPROVED PRODUCT UST,
APPENDIX F) (TYP)
EXTERIOR SURFACES SHALL BE DOUBLE COATED
(MINIMUM 18 MILUMETERS THICK) WITH AN
ACCEPTABLE BITUMINOUS OR EPDXY SEALER
#4 BARS ® 12" OC EW OR
EQUAL PER ASTM C-478
2' CHANGE IN FLOW LINE OR GREATER
PIPE JOINTS TO BE CENTERED
ON MANHOLE WALL
FLEXIBLE RUBBER SLEEVE WITH STAINLESS
STEEL STRAP (SEE DETAIL A -A)
#4 BARS ® 12" OC EW (4'-0" DIAMETER)
#6 BARS ® 9" OC EW (5'-0` AND 6'-0"
DIAMETER)
12" CRUSHED
STONE
SUREGRIP PADS
(IF FLOOR LINER
IS USED)
WW-5
REVISED: MARCH 2O22
CAST IRON FRAME ON
FRAME AND COVER CONCRETE TO BE SET
IN PLASTIC JOINT SEALING
COMPOUND (SEE COUNTY
APPROVED PRODUCT LIST,
APPENDIX F) AND
SPECIFY LETTERING Vtiti GROUTED IN
AS "COLLIER LEAVE BLANK
SF PLACE
OR BLANK IF
PRIVATELY0 �
o 0 0 2 NON -
PENETRATING
0 0 o D o PICKHOLES
SANITARY (TYP)
o SEWER o 0
o o o o co
00 0 00
FL ORIDP WATERTIGHT SEWER
MANHOLE FRAME
AND COVER (SEE
COUNTY APPROVED
IN USA PRODUCT LIST,
APPENDIX F)
FLUSH IN PAVED
AREAS, SEE
PLAN MANHOLE DETAILS
SECTION
304
STAINLESS
STEEL
INFLOW
PROTECTOR
MANHOLE RING AND COVER DETAIL WW-6
NTS REVISED: MARCH 2O22
Co
er County
.larch 2022
.MonthCy Statistics
COLLIER COUNTY
GROWTH MANAGEMENT
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES
3/2022 Growth Management Department
Building Plan Review Statistics
All Permits Applied by Month
7,000
6,000
5,000
4,000
3,000
2,000
1,000
O O O O O O O O O O T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- r � T- r N N N
N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N
L i >+ C 0 Q. — i U C -0 L L i, a tm Q. — i U a -0 L
fC a R 7 3 a)U o d R d R Q W 3 d U o N M d M
Q Q 0 0 Z o LL 2 Q 2� Q to O Z o n LL a
Top 15 of 35 Building Permit Types Applied
Demolition Electric7/1PIU365
ROW Residential,
57 / Roof, 563 438 mbing,
145
Shutters/Doors/ Gas, 248
Windows, 657 Fence, 202
Pool, 199
Aluminum
Structure, 263
Mechanical, Bldg Add
869 441
Well Permits,
149
Bldg New 1 & 2
Solar, 1 WZ Res, 334
Building Plan Review Statistics
Monthly 1 & 2 Family Total
Construction Value by Applied Date
$200,000,000
$150,000,000
$100,000,000
$50,000,000
0 0 0 0 — — — — N
N N N N N N N N N
L C Q U L C Q U i
s 1 &2 Family
Monthly Total Construction Value by Applied Date
$200,000,000
$150,000,000
$100,000,000
$50,000,000
Monthly Multi -family & Commercial Total
Construction Value by Applied Date
$200,000,000
$150,000,000
$100,000,000
I
$50,000,000
$_ (1
0 0 0 0 N
CV N N N N N N N N
C Cc Q U L cc C Q U L
2- cn 0 2- cn 0 2
(Multi -family Commercial
Ar
O O O O (D O O O O O N N N
N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N
> C 0)n > U C > C o> n > U C
@ 0-N O � N U O O M N (6 a- CO 7 7 a)U O d CO N N
2 Q g - Q In O Z o - LL2 Q g � Q U) Z o � U_2
�1 &2 Family f Multi -family Commercial
Building Plan Review Statistics
500
450
400
350
300
250
200
150
100
50
0
New Construction Building Permits Issued by Month
O O O O O O CO O O O � T- r � r T T- r T- r r N N N
N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N
L I->+ C aI Q. — > U C -0 L L >, C 0 Q. — > U C .0L
fC Q M 7 d V O a)M a)M Q M 3 3 d V O d M d M
2 a E n a W O z o n LL 2 a 2 a 0 O z o n LL a
Mar-
20
I Apr-
20
IMay-
20
Jun-
20
Jul-
20
Aug-
20
Sep-
20
Oct-
20
Nov-
20
Dec-
20
Jan-
21
Feb-
21
Mar-
21
Apr-
21
May-
21
Jun-
21
Jul-
21
Aug
21
Sep-
21
Oct-
21
Nov-
21
Dec-
21
Jan-
22
Feb-
22
Mar-
22
■ Commercial
7
4
5
7
5
6
3
3
3
6
7
5
11
8
12
9
6
13
13
3
4
8
5
7
4
■ Multi -family
9
9
5
2
10
10
11
1
7
7
11
19
11
6
6
17
11
15
5
6
12
9
10
12
15
0 1&2 Family
250
192
205
196
234
296
248
352
244
314
357
195
386
412
460
445
374
403
218
330
286
295
346
217
333
20
18
16
14
12
10
8
6
4
2
0
New Multi -family Building
Permits Issued by Month
O O O O O — r N N
N N N N N N 1V N N N N N N
i i
L T � Q > C L T � Q > C i
2E 7 U)z- 2 2 U)z 2
18
16
14
12
10
8
6
4
2
0
New Commercial Building
Permits Issued by Month
O O O O O — — = = — — N N
N N N N N N N N N N N N N
i i i i i i i
L T Q > C L T Q >COCO
C L
`G : (A Z (n Z
-)epz
Building Inspections Statistics
Building Inspections
30,000
25,000
20,000
15,000
10,000
5,000
0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 o r r r
N N L QL N>, NC N NQ NQ N N N N N NL> U C I
U -,U) 0 z 0
LL 2
ROW,
497
r r r r r r r N N N
N N N N N N N N N N N N
L >> C Q: Q > U C -gs L
Q � Q w 0 z 0-, L.L
Types of Building Inspections
Septic,
219
ition
_.....rol, 1
250
200
150
100
50
Land Development Services
Statistics
All Land Development Applications Applied by Month
O O O O O O O O O O � T- T- r v- T- r T- T- T- T T- N N N
N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N
i U. i, C al Q. — i U C -0 L L i, C ai Q. — i V C M L
M 0. R 7 a> V O a) (C a)ca rL cU O a) V O N to 0 R
a Q E n Q 0 0 Z o n LL E Q E Q 0 0 Z o n LL a
Top 5 Land Development Applications Applied
within the Last 6 Months
1200 1104
1000
800
600
400
200
0
Short -Term Vacation
Rental Registration
245
177
142
104
Garage Sale Permit Zoning Verification
Special Event Permit
Vegetation Removal
Letter
Permit
Land Development Services
40
35
30
25
20
15
10
5
0
120
100
80
60
40
20
Statistics
Pre -application Meetings by Month
O O O O O O O O O O T- T- r T- T- T- T- T- T- N N N
N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N
L L i, C a1 a i V C -0 L L >, C M Q i V C - L
Q f° ) 0 z 0 n LL � Q M =� 3 d 0 z 0-) L�
Front Zoning Counter Permits Applied by Month
O O O O O O O O O O r � r T" r � T- � � r T- � N N N
N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N
L i i1 C 81 Q r+ i V C Q L L i1 C M Q — i U C M L
Q �° ' aD 0 z 0 n Li 2 Q m �� � aD 0 z 0 n Li a
Temporary Use Commercial Certificates
Land Development Services
Statistics
Number of New Subdivisions Recorded per Month
8
N
6
c
o_
.N 5
4
4
c
3
3
3
�
2
2
z
60
50
(OD 40
CD
ca
a
4-
° 30
d
E
z 20
10
0
5
i
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0
O O O O O O O O O O r r r N N N
N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N
L L it C ' LA Q. > U c-0 L L i1 C 0 LL "'' > V C- L
O d O d Q f0 3 7 G> V O Q M N
Qcn0zo-)LLQcn0zo�LLa
54
Plat Pages Recorded per Month
17
28
21 00 20
54
13 1415 9 9 9 10 11 9 11
117 8 7
5
111E III 1 11 1 1
_
O O O O O O O O O O T- r, r T- T- T- r T- T- T- T- N N N
N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N
L L >% C Z3f Q. � 9 0 c M L L >% C ZM Q. — i V C M L
(C 3 7 d V O d W d Q- M 7 3 d V O d M 0 f6
Q00zo�LLQ200zanLLa
Yearly Totals
2020 - 25
2021— 33
2022 - 9
Yearly Totals
2020 - 152
2021-188
2022 - 76
Land Development Services
Statistics
Monthly Total of Subdivision Applications
(PSPA, PSP, PPL, PPLA, ICP, FP, CNST) by Month
14
12
10
8
6
4
2
0
O O O O O O O O O O r r r r r r r r r r r r N N N
N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N
i L i� C a1 Q �' i U C .0 L L i+ C a9 0. �' i U C . L
IC Q fC 7 3 d U O d M d M Q M 3 3 a)U O d M d fa
a Q 2 Q vh 0 z 0� LL 2 Q 2 Q cn 0 z 0� LL a
14
12
10
8
6
4
2
Monthly Total of Subdivision Re-submittals/Corrections
(PSPA, PSP, PPL, PPLA, ICP, FP, CNST) by Month
O O O O O O O O O O r r r r r r r r r r r r N N N
N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N
L L >+ C 0 Q — i U C .0 L L i, C a9 Q r i U C M L
M Q (C 7 3 d U O d M d Q fC 3 3 d U O 0 M d
a Q Q 0 0 Z 0 n� Q Q cn 0 Z 0 n LL a
Land Development Services
70
60
50
40
30
20
10
60
50
40
30
20
10
0
Statistics
Monthly Total of Site Plan Applications
(SIP, SIPI, SDP, SDPA, SDPI, NAP) by Month
O O O O O O O O O O r r r r r r r r r r r r N N N
N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N
of Q — > 0 C M L L i1 C M a — > G C � L
2 Q c° )' 3 aD Op z o n Li 2 Q ' m Op z 0 n Li a
Monthly Total of Site Plan Re-submittals/Corrections
(SIP, SIPI, SDP, SDPA, SDPI, NAP) by Month
O O O O O O O O O O r r r r r r r r r r r r N N N
N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N
L. L i, C 0 a — i V C -0 L L i+ C CI Q i V C M L
2 Q �° ' a) 0 z 0 n Li 2 Q R n� 3 d 0 z a n Li im
Reviews for Land Development
Services
Number of Land Development Reviews
1,400
1,200
1,000
800
600
400
'
200
N N N N
N N N N N N N N 1V N N N
N N N N N N N N 1V
L L if
fC Q (C
a— i 0 C M L L if a
d V O 0 M 0 � � M �
3 M a— i 0 C.0 L
� d V O 0 M 0 M
Q
Q 0 0 Z 0 n U- 2 �
� Q 0 0 Z 0 n LL a
Percentage Ontime for the
Month
0 Ontime 0 Late
Land Development Services
Statistics
Total Applied Construction Valuation Estimate
$30,000,000
$25,000,000
$20,000,000
$15,000,000
$10,000,000
$5,000,000
$0
O O O O O O O O O O r r � T— r T— r T— T— T— N N N
N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N
i L >+ C 0 Q r i 0 C M L L i1 C M Q r i 0 C -0 i
Q �° 3' 3 d 0 z G n Li 2 Q M-�� o p z 0 n LL M
■ Construction Estimate Utility Estimate
Site & Utility Inspections
80
70 I
60 1 t
0 50
0
E i
a) 40
a
0 30
I
a 20
10
0
O O O O O O O O O O 1-1 c-i c-i —4 —1 -4 ci ci N ci ci -4 N N N
N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N
a c � on n •"> u c � � a c � cn a •"> u c �
fo v 3 � � v " O v m v ro
g a g Q V)o z o a g a o z o LL g
■ Final Subdivision Inspection ■ Final Utility Inspection
Preliminary Subdivision Inspection ■ Preliminary Utility Inspection
■ Tie In Inspection
Fire Review Statistics
Building Fire Review Average Number of Days
10
9
8
7
6
rTo 5
0
4
3
2 —
1 —
N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N
ro Q rB 7 — = Q) U O Q) ro Q) ro Q ra Z 7 Q) U O Q) ra Q) ro
Q 5 Q to O z LL Q Q N O z U
Total Number of Building Fire Reviews by Month
Fire District Mar- Apr- May- Jun- Jul- Aug- Sep- Oct- Nov- Dec- Jan- Feb- Mar- Apr- May- Jun- Jul- Aug- Sep- Oct- Nov- Dec- Jan- Feb- Mar-
20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 22 22 22
0 North Collier 633 565 510 642 645 564 558 588 429 586 427 482 630 706 741 1044 687 775 608 654 504 449 470 503 671
Collier County (Greater Naples) 397 355 324 462 418 409 400 439 403 446 460 475 451 473 456 586 401 480 382 411 409 393 323 503 613
Planning Fire Review Average Number of Days
10
9
8
7
6 —
5
0 4
3
2
1
0
O O O O O O O O O O -1 r-I r-I ri r-I r-I r-I r-I r-I r-I r-I r-I N N N
N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N N rV N N N N
i, c a > U C -0 L i, aQ - A > U C i
(o SZ ro 7 - n Q C 7 Q) U O Q) ro a) ro Q ro 7 — 7 Q) U O Q) ro Q)
i g Q g Q rn O z 0
Total Number of Planning Fire Reviews by Month
Fire District
Mar- Apr- May- Jun- Jul- Aug- Sep- Oct- Nov- Dec- Jan- Feb- Mar- Apr- May- Jun- Jul- Aug- Sep- Oct- Nov- Dec- Jan- Feb- Mar-
20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 22 22 22
■ North Collier 48 38 36 33 42 33 47 44 37 32 25 33 37 39 39 55 32 43 23 48 41 49 29 31 29
Collier County(Greater Naples) 62 48 62 62 52 61 59 62 61 51 44 53 71 72 60 74 61 39 53 80 70 68 56 56 62