Agenda 02/08/2022 Item # 2B (Minutes from January 11, 2022 BCC Meeting)02/08/2022
COLLIER COUNTY
Board of County Commissioners
Item Number: 2.B
Item Summary: January 11, 2022 - BCC Meeting Minutes
Meeting Date: 02/08/2022
Prepared by:
Title: Sr. Operations Analyst — County Manager's Office
Name: Geoffrey Willig
01/31/2022 2:47 PM
Submitted by:
Title: Division Director - Corp Fin & Mgmt Svc — County Manager's Office
Name: Mark Isackson
01/31/2022 2:47 PM
Approved By:
Review:
County Manager's Office Geoffrey Willig County Manager Review
Board of County Commissioners Geoffrey Willig Meeting Pending
Completed 01/31/2022 2:47 PM
02/08/2022 9:00 AM
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January 11, 2022
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Naples, Florida, January 11, 2022
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County
Commissioners, in and for the County of Collier, and also a' 9
as the Board of Zoning Appeals and as the governing A of
such special districts as have been created ac i o aw and
having conducted business herein, met o is ate at 9:00 a.m.,
in REGULAR SESSION in Build' of the Government
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Complex, East Naples, Florid the following members
present:
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Chairman:
SENT:
William L. McDaniel, Jr.
Rick LoCastro
Burt L. Saunders
Andy Solis
Penny Taylor
�4ark Isackson, County Manager
Amy Patterson, Deputy County Manager
Jeffrey A. Klatzkow, County Attorney
Crystal K. Kinzel, Clerk of the Circuit Court & Comptroller
Troy Miller, Communications & Customer Relations
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COLLIER COUNTY
Board of County Commissioners
Community Redevelopment Agency Board (CRAB)
Airport Authority
AGENDA
Board of County Commission Chambers
Collier County Government Center
3299 Tamiami Trail East, 3rd Floor
Naples, FL 34112
January 11, 2022
9:00 AM
Commissioner Penny Taylor, District 4 — Chair — CRAB Co -Chair
Commissioner William L. McDaniel, Jr., District 5 - Vice Chair - CRAB Co -Chair
Commissioner Rick LoCastro, District 1
Commissioner Andy Solis, District 2
Commissioner Burt Saunders, District 3
NOTICE: ALL PERSONS WISHING TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS MUST
REGISTER PRIOR TO PRESENTATION OF THE AGENDA ITEM TO BE
ADDRESSED. ALL REGISTERED SPEAKERS WILL RECEIVE UP TO THREE
(3) MINUTES UNLESS THE TIME IS ADJUSTED BY THE CHAIRMAN.
REQUESTS TO PETITION THE BOARD ON SUBJECTS WHICH ARE NOT ON
THIS AGENDA MUST BE SUBMITTED IN WRITING WITH EXPLANATION
TO THE COUNTY MANAGER AT LEAST 13 DAYS PRIOR TO THE DATE OF
THE MEETING AND WILL BE HEARD UNDER "PUBLIC PETITIONS."
PUBLIC PETITIONS ARE LIMITED TO THE PRESENTER, WITH A
MAXIMUM TIME OF TEN MINUTES.
ANY PERSON WHO DECIDES TO APPEAL A DECISION OF THIS BOARD
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WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDING PERTAINING THERETO,
AND THEREFORE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD
OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE
TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.
COLLIER COUNTY ORDINANCE NO.2003-53 AS AMENDED BY
ORDINANCE 2004-05 AND 2007-249 REQUIRES THAT ALL LOBBYISTS
SHALL, BEFORE ENGAGING IN ANY LOBBYING ACTIVITIES (INCLUDING
BUT NOT LIMITED TO, ADDRESSING THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS), REGISTER WITH THE CLERK TO THE BOARD AT THE
BOARD MINUTES AND RECORDS DEPARTMENT.
IF YOU ARE A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY WHO NEEDS ANY
ACCOMMODATION IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCEEDING,
YOU ARE ENTITLED, AT NO COST TO YOU, THE PROVISION OF CERTAIN
ASSISTANCE. PLEASE CONTACT THE COLLIER COUNTY FACILITIES
MANAGEMENT DIVISION LOCATED AT 3335 EAST TAMIAMI TRAIL,
SUITE 1, NAPLES, FLORIDA, 34112-5356, (239) 252-8380; ASSISTED
LISTENING DEVICES FOR THE HEARING IMPAIRED ARE AVAILABLE IN
THE FACILITIES MANAGEMENT DIVISION.
LUNCH RECESS SCHEDULED FOR 12: 00 NOON TO 1: 00 P.M.
1. INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
A. Invocation by Pastor Ed Brandt of Lely Presbyterian Church
2. AGENDA AND MINUTES
A. Approval of today's regular, consent and summary agenda as amended (Ex
Parte Disclosure provided by Commission members for consent agenda.)
B. October 26, 2021 - BCC Meeting Minutes
C. December 14, 2021 - BCC Meeting Minutes
D. Recommendation that the Board authorize the new Chairs for both the Board
of County Commissioners and the Community Redevelopment Agency to
execute all documents approved at both this meeting and those documents
which were previously approved but are pending signature, and to appoint
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its members to the Community Redevelopment Agency, the Tourist
Development Board, the Community and Economic Development Board,
the Affordable Housing Advisory Committee, the Public Safety
Coordinating Council, and the Southwest Florida Regional Planning
Council.
3. AWARDS AND RECOGNITIONS
A. EMPLOYEE
B. ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS
C. RETIREES
D. EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH
1) Recommendation to recognize Jonathan Bartos, in the Public Utilities
Department, Solid & Hazardous Waste Management Division as the
December 2021 Employee of the Month. (All Districts)
4. PROCLAMATIONS
A. Proclamation designating January 17, 2022, as a day to remember and
celebrate Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream. To be accepted by Vincent
Keeys, President, Jeris Smith, Chairperson, and other representatives of the
Collier County Branch of the NAACP.
B. Proclamation designating January 2022 as Human Trafficking Awareness
Month in Collier County. To be accepted by Linda Oberhaus, Chief
Executive Officer, The Shelter for Abused Women and Children.
C. Proclamation designating January 2022 as Florida Panther Month in Collier
County. To be accepted by Ricky Pires, Director, Florida Gulf Coast
University "Wings of Hope" Program.
D. Proclamation recognizing the 50th Anniversary of the Naples Concert Band.
The proclamation will be presented by Commissioner Penny Taylor on
January 16, 2022, to the Naples Concert Band at its performance at the
Cambier Park Bandshell.
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5. PRESENTATIONS
A. Presentation of the Collier County Business of the Month for January 2022
to Prestige Insurance Consultants, Inc. The award will be accepted by
Shannon Morgan and Sonia Rocca, Agency Owners. Also present is
Bethany Sawyer, Vice President of Membership, The Greater Naples
Chamber of Commerce.
6. PUBLIC PETITIONS
7. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON GENERAL TOPICS NOT ON THE CURRENT
OR FUTURE AGENDA
9. ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARINGS
10. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
11. COUNTY MANAGER'S REPORT
A. Recommendation to award Request for Professional Services (RPS) No. 21-
7881 "Design Services for Old Lely Utility Improvements" in the total
amount of $15,908,833 to Johnson Engineering, Inc. with authorization to
issue an initial purchase order for Task 1 and Reimbursables in the amount
of $5,152,020, to be followed by future purchase order modifications for
subsequent Tasks 2 and 3, both encompassed in the total contract amount,
subject to and dictated by Board -approved funding under Project #60224
(Funds 412, 414 and 327); and authorize the necessary budget
amendment. (Trinity Scott, Deputy Department Head, Growth Management
Department) (District 1)
B. Recommendation to accept the status report for Collier County Local
Government Infrastructure Sales Surtax Projects, acknowledge the planned
move of the Domestic Animal Services (DAS) facility to County Site #305,
and authorize completion of design for Sheriff's Forensics/Evidence
Building to include expanding the size of the Sheriff's facility to
accommodate a move of CCSO Criminal Investigations Division from 2373
East Horseshoe Drive to the GOBP campus. (Ed Finn, Interim Facilities
Management Director) (All Districts)
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C. Recommendation to accept Staffs update on Collier County boat ramp park
use and Commercial Vessel Launch Permit sales. (Melissa Hennig, Regional
Manager, Parks and Recreation Division) (All Districts)
12. COUNTY ATTORNEY'S REPORT
13. OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS
14. AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND/OR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT
AGENCY
A. AIRPORT
B. COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
15. STAFF AND COMMISSION GENERAL COMMUNICATIONS
16. Consent Agenda - All matters listed under this item are considered to be
routine and action will be taken by one motion without separate discussion of
each item. If discussion is desired by a member of the Board, that item(s) will
be removed from the Consent Agenda and considered separately.
A. Growth Management Department
1) Recommendation to approve the release of a code enforcement lien
with an accrued value of $66,100 for payment of $1,550 in the code
enforcement action titled Board of County Commissioners v. Rafael
Barrios Montero, Tomas B. Avila Reyes, and Ricardo Abril, relating
to property located at 1281 25th St SW, Collier County, Florida.
(District 5)
2) Recommendation to authorize the Clerk of Courts to release a
Performance Bond in the amount of $155,062 which was posted as a
guaranty for Excavation Permit Number PL20200001219 for work
associated with Ventana Pointe. (District 5)
3) Recommendation to approve a Resolution for final acceptance of the
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private roadway and drainage improvements for the final plat of Golf
Club of the Everglades Phase 1, Application Number
PL20140001653, and authorize the release of the maintenance
security in the amount of $699,615.37. (District 5)
4) Recommendation to approve final acceptance of the sewer utility
facilities for Springs at Hammock Cove Phase 3, PL20190002127,
and authorize the County Manager, or his designee, to release the
Utilities Performance Security (UPS) and Final Obligation Bond in
the total amount of $7,898.12 to the Project Engineer or the
Developer's designated agent. (District 4)
5) Recommendation to approve final acceptance of the potable water and
sewer utility facilities and accept the conveyance of a portion of the
potable water and sewer utility facilities for the 7-Eleven #38985
Greenway, PL20210001822. (District 1)
6) Recommendation to approve final acceptance of the potable water
facilities, and accept the conveyance of the potable water facilities for
The Pointe at Founders Square, PL20210001958. (District 5)
7) Recommendation to approve a Resolution for final acceptance of the
private roadway and drainage improvements, and acceptance of the
plat dedications, for the final plat of Legacy Estates, Application
Number PL20140002627 and Application Number PL20140001803,
and, and authorize the release of the maintenance security in the
amount of $53,700.85. (District 2)
8) This item requires that ex parte disclosure be provided by
Commission members. Should a hearing be held on this item, all
participants are required to be sworn in. Recommendation to
approve for recording the minor final plat of Altis Santa Barbara,
Application Number PL20210001774. (District 3)
9) This item requires that ex parte disclosure be provided by
Commission members. Should a hearing be held on this item, all
participants are required to be sworn in. Recommendation to
approve for recording the final plat of Cambridge Park at Orange
Blossom (Application Number PL20210000167) approval of the
standard form Construction and Maintenance Agreement and approval
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of the performance security in the amount of $644,292.28. (District 2)
10) Recommendation to approve an extension for completion of required
subdivision improvements associated with Esplanade Golf and
Country Club of Naples Phase 2 (PL20120002897) subdivision
pursuant to Section 10.02.05 C.2 of the Collier County Land
Development Code (LDC). (District 3)
11) Recommendation to approve an extension for completion of required
subdivision improvements associated with Esplanade Golf and
Country Club of Naples Blocks E and G2 (PL20140002187)
subdivision pursuant to Section 10.02.05 C.2 of the Collier County
Land Development Code (LDC). (District 3)
12) Recommendation to provide a waiver of the optional local public
hearing pursuant to Section 190.046(1)(d)3., Florida Statutes, on the
Boundary Amendment Petition submitted by Fiddler's Creek
Community Development District # 1 to the Florida Land and Water
Adjudicatory Commission. (District 1)
13) Recommendation to recognize carry forward funding for the Collier
Metropolitan Planning Organization ("MPO") in the amount of
$1,746.24, earned from the FY 2020/21 Transportation Disadvantaged
Planning Grant, and to approve all related necessary budget
amendments. (All Districts)
14) Recommendation to recognize and accept revenue for Collier Area
Transit bus shelters in the amount of $73,844 and to approve all
necessary budget amendments. (District 1)
15) Recommendation to approve Memorandum of Agreement (MOA)
FM# 449463-1-93-01, between the Florida Department of
Transportation (FDOT) and Collier County, where FDOT will provide
the County with connected vehicle equipment and software for
monitoring traffic conditions and providing messages to the traveling
public at 19 intersections on State Roads within Collier County.
FDOT has included this project in its Five -Year Work Program,
described as 'Collier County Connected Traveler Information System'
in the amount not to exceed $496,000, and execute a Resolution
memorializing the Board's action. (All Districts)
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16) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign a
Use Agreement between the Department of Environmental Protection
— Division of State Lands and Collier County in relation to ITB No.
21-7935 "Wiggins Pass and Doctors Pass Dredge 2021-2022"
allowing the placement of dredged sand onto Delnor Wiggins State
Park beach, per the State's request (Project No. 80288). (All Districts)
17) Recommendation to authorize the necessary budget amendments to
reallocate funds, in the amount of $8,535,606, within the Growth
Management Department Stormwater Bond Fund (327). (District 5)
18) Recommendation to approve the final ranking for Request for
Professional Services ("RPS") No. 21-7862, and begin negotiations
with Kimley-Horn and Associates, Inc., to perform professional
engineering services for the Airport Road Widening Project from
Vanderbilt Beach Road (CR862) to Immokalee Road (CR846),
County Project Number 60190, so that a proposed agreement can be
brought back for the Board's consideration. (District 2)
19) Recommendation to hear a Land Development Code Amendment at
two regularly scheduled daytime hearings and waive the nighttime
hearing requirement. (All Districts)
B. COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
C. PUBLIC UTILITIES DEPARTMENT
1) Recommendation to approve an Agreement for Sale and Purchase
with Carol A. Dessing, for 1.14 acres under the Conservation Collier
Land Acquisition Program at a cost not to exceed $19,500.
(Conservation Collier Trust Fund 172) (District 5)
2) Recommendation to approve the attached Settlement Agreement and
Release with Douglas N. Higgins, Inc. and authorize Staff to issue a
purchase order in the amount of $83,350.00 in satisfaction of all
claims on the Creekside Force Main Extension Phase #1 Project,
Wastewater User Capital Fund (414), Project No. 70044. (District 2)
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3) Recommendation to approve an Agreement for Sale and Purchase
with Mercedes Cabrera, a married woman, for 9.16 acres under the
Conservation Collier Land Acquisition Program at a cost not to
exceed $115,650. (Conservation Collier Trust Fund 172) (District 5)
4) Recommendation to approve a Third Amendment to Agreement No.
18-7429 for Security Services with Universal Protection Service, LLC
to extend the current term of service, make ministerial revisions to
performance criteria, and to adjust the fee schedule for the renewal
term of the Agreement ($148,360, Fund Number 001-122255.) (All
Districts)
D. PUBLIC SERVICES DEPARTMENT
1) Recommendation to approve an Exemption from the Competitive
Process as set forth in the Procurement Ordinance for subscription to
Flipster, NoveList Plus, and NoveList Select, proprietary software
offered through EBSCO, for Library patron use in an amount not to
exceed $150,000 per fiscal year, as budgeted within General Fund
(001). (All Districts)
2) Recommendation to accept two (2) library grant donations, one from
the Hsi -Yang Wu Memorial Fund through the Branch County
Community Foundation in the amount of $500, and one from the
Kirsch McLaughlin Trust through the Fidelity Charitable Grant
Program in the amount of $100, for the general support of the Collier
County Public Library. (Public Services Grant Fund 709) (All
Districts)
3) Recommendation to approve and authorize the chairperson to sign
three (3) mortgage satisfactions for the State Housing Initiatives
Partnership loan program in the amount of $63,000 and approve the
associated Budget Amendments to appropriate repayment amounts
totaling $63,000 within SHIP Grant Fund (791). (All Districts)
4) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairperson to sign
three Emergency Solutions Grant Agreements with Collier County: 1)
NAMI Collier County, Inc., (increases award by $200,000), 2) The
Shelter for Abused Women & Children, Inc., (no funding change),
and 3) the Hunger & Homeless Coalition, Inc., (decreases award by
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$200,000), for the administration of CARES related services with a
net $0 impact. (Grant Fund 705) (All Districts)
5) Recommendation to award Request for Proposal (RFP) #18-74705,
Services for Seniors, to Hemo Medika Care LLC d/b/a Harmonia The
Club, Sunshine Health Care Services, LLC d/b/a A Better Solution of
Sarasota, Home Health Care Resources, Corp. and authorize the Chair
to sign the attached agreements. (Estimated Annual Fiscal Impact
$2,934,443, Human Services Grant Fund 707) (All Districts)
6) To approve and authorize the Chairman to sign four (4) Emergency
Solutions Grants subrecipient agreements; two (2) Collier County
Hunger & Homeless Coalition in the amount of $2,536.62 and
$30,462, NAMI Collier County in the amount of $26,970, Youth
Haven, Inc. in the amount of $71,000 and one (1) HOME Investment
Partnerships subrecipient agreement for Collier County Housing
Authority in the amount of $424,993. (Housing Grant Fund 705). (All
Districts)
E. ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES
1) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chair to sign a
Memorandum of Understanding with Southwest Florida Professional
Firefighters, Local 1826, outlining the payment of Premium Pay for
all Collier County EMS employees, not to exceed the funding amount
of $408,000 as approved within the American Rescue Plan Act
Coronavirus State and Local Fiscal Recovery Fund as approved by the
United States Treasury and previously authorized by the Board of
County Commissioners. (Housing Grant Fund 705) (All Districts)
2) Recommendation to approve the administrative report prepared by the
Procurement Services Division for disposal of property and
notification of revenue disbursement. (All Districts)
3) Recommendation to approve the administrative reports prepared by
the Procurement Services Division for change orders and other
contractual modifications requiring Board approval. (All Districts)
4) Recommendation to approve the administrative reports prepared by
the Procurement Services Division for change orders and other
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contractual modifications requiring Board approval. (All Districts)
F. COUNTY MANAGER OPERATIONS
1) Recommendation to approve a report covering budget amendments
impacting reserves and moving funds in an amount up to and
including $25,000 and $50,000, respectively. (All Districts)
2) Recommendation to adopt a resolution approving amendments
(appropriating grants, donations, contributions or insurance proceeds)
to the FY21-22 Adopted Budget. (All Districts)
G. AIRPORT AUTHORITY
1) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to execute
the attached Resolution authorizing the County Manager's execution
of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Airport Rescue Grant
Agreements in the amount of $59,000 for the Marco Island Executive
Airport (MKY) and $32,000 for the Immokalee Regional Airport
(IMM) for eligible operating expenses and authorize all necessary
budget amendments. (Projects #33793 and #33792) (District 1,
District 5)
H. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
I. MISCELLANEOUS CORRESPONDENCE
1) Miscellaneous Correspondence (All Districts)
J. OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS
1) Recommendation to appoint Commissioner McDaniel and
Commissioner Saunders to the Collier County Canvassing Board for
the 2022 Election Cycle. (All Districts)
2) Recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners authorize
the County Attorney's Office to participate and represent the Collier
County Canvassing Board during the 2022 Election Cycle. (All
Districts)
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3) To record in the minutes of the Board of County Commissioners, the
check number (or other payment method), amount, payee, and
purpose for which the referenced disbursements were drawn for the
periods between December 16, 2021 and December 29, 2021 pursuant
to Florida Statute 136.06. (All Districts)
4) Board ratification of the purchasing card transactions and invoices
payable approved and determined to have a valid public purpose by
the County Manager during the Board's scheduled recess. (All
Districts)
5) Board ratification and recording in the minutes of the Board of
County Commissioners, the check number (or other payment method),
amount, payee, and purpose for which the referenced disbursements
were drawn for the periods between December 2, 2021 and December
15, 2021 pursuant to Florida Statute 136.06 that were approved by the
County Manager during the Board's scheduled recess. (All Districts)
6) Request that the Board approve and determine valid public purpose
for invoices payable and purchasing card transactions as of January 5,
2022. (All Districts)
K. COUNTY ATTORNEY
1) This item has been continued from the December 14, 2021 BCC
Meeting Agenda. Recommendation to reappoint four members to the
Development Services Advisory Committee. (All Districts)
2) Recommendation to appoint a member to the Animal Service
Advisory Board. (All Districts)
3) Recommendation to approve a Stipulated Final Judgment in the
amount of $225,000 plus $40,330 in statutory attorney, experts' fees,
costs and statutory supplemental attorneys' fees if necessary (not to
exceed $7,000), for the taking of Parcel 1257RDUE/TCE, required for
the Vanderbilt Beach Road Extension Project No. 60168. (All
Districts)
4) Recommendation to approve a Stipulated Final Judgment in the
amount of $371,000 plus $35,680 in statutory attorney and experts'
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fees and costs for the taking of Parcel 1109POND required for the
Vanderbilt Beach Road Extension Project No. 60168. (All Districts)
5) Recommendation to approve a Stipulated Final Judgment in the
amount of $156,000 plus $31,574 in statutory attorney and experts'
fees and costs for the taking of Parcel 218FEE required for the
Vanderbilt Beach Road Extension Project No. 60168. (All Districts)
6) Recommendation to approve a Stipulated Final Judgment in the total
amount of $110,000 plus $21,767.50 in statutory attorney and experts'
fees and costs for the taking of Parcel 220FEE, required for the
Vanderbilt Beach Road Extension Project, Project No., 60168, and
delegate authority to the County Manager or his designee to process
payment of additional statutory attorney's fees for supplemental
proceedings, if any, as authorized by Ch. 73, Fla. Stat. (All Districts)
17. Summary Agenda - This section is for advertised public hearings and must
meet the following criteria: 1) A recommendation for approval from staff; 2)
Unanimous recommendation for approval by the Collier County Planning
Commission or other authorizing agencies of all members present and voting;
3) No written or oral objections to the item received by staff, the Collier
County Planning Commission, other authorizing agencies or the Board, prior
to the commencement of the BCC meeting on which the items are scheduled to
be heard; and 4) No individuals are registered to speak in opposition to the
item. For those items which are quasi-judicial in nature, all participants must
be sworn in.
A. Recommendation to adopt an Ordinance establishing pedestrian safety
regulations in unincorporated Collier County, and to repeal portions of
Ordinance 87-60, as amended. (All Districts)
B. This item requires that ex parte disclosure be provided by Commission
members. Should a hearing be held on this item, all participants are
required to be sworn in. Zoning Petition - PL20200002317, Ave Maria
SRAA. Recommendation to approve a Resolution amending the town of
Ave Maria Stewardship Receiving Area (SRA) to revise the SRA town plan
and master plan in accordance with Section 4.08.07.F.4 of the Land
Development Code, and specifically to: reconfigure a portion of Town
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Center 2A and the Neighborhood General Context Zone near the intersection
of Pope John Paul Boulevard and Camp Keais Road; to add a new
multifamily dwelling unit rental housing type consisting of single family
detached, single family attached or townhouses located on a single parcel
called a Cottage Court as a permitted use in the Neighborhood General
Context Zone and Town Centers 2 and 3; to add civic use, open space and
parks as a permitted use in Town Center 1; to add development standards for
the Cottage Court dwelling unit type limited to a 10 foot external project
setback and a maximum height of 2 1/2 stories; to add an access point near
the southwest corner of the SRA boundary to serve the existing golf
maintenance facility only; to remove the root barrier requirement in
Neighborhood General Context Zone to be consistent with the LDC; and
modify the numerical spacing of the grid system for the University District
to correct a labeling error. The subject property is located north of Oil Well
Road and west of Camp Keais Road in Sections 31 through 33, Township 47
South, Range 29 East and Sections 4 through 9 and 16 through 18,
Township 48 South, Range 29 East in Collier County, Florida. (District 5)
C. Recommendation to adopt a resolution approving amendments
(appropriating carry forward, transfers and supplemental revenue) to the
FY21-22 Adopted Budget. (All Districts)
D. Recommendation to adopt an amendment to Ordinance 93-81, as amended,
known as the "Parks and Recreation Advisory Board Ordinance," to add an
alternate member to the Board. (All Districts)
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INQUIRIES CONCERNING CHANGES TO THE BOARD'S AGENDA SHOULD
BE MADE TO THE COUNTY MANAGER'S OFFICE AT 252-8383.
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MR. ISACKSON: Madam Chair, Commissioners, good
morning. You have a live mic.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Good morning. Good morning,
everyone. Welcome to 2022. May it be a blessed year for you a
healthy year and full of family and friends and progress in all we
as individuals and as a community.
Today, we have Reverend Beverly Duncan who is goigive
us our invocation. 0
Would you all rise, please, and then I'd like Mr. s to lead us
in the Pledge of Allegiance.
REVEREND DUNCAN: Good mornin
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Good morning
Item # 1 A
INVOCATION AND PLEDGE
INVOCATION GIVEN BY 1
GIANCE —
BEVERLY DUNKIN
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REVEREND DUN : Let us be prayerful. It's a new year
and a new day with all of their possibilities, even thorny challenges,
short and long t present fresh possibilities for our spirits and our
lives. So let' in this never -before morning each of us with
clear eyes nd n hearts to be gifted yet again with opportunities to
rise abov�;rs
eyond the ordinary and the expected. May we,
com;aon
and Collier citizens, take advantage of places in c and discussion today to be generous. So many people
ne to be there for them, to listen, to be their voice, and to care.
It's a calling, it is, from a higher, wider presence that needs us to
venture outside of ourselves. May we sense and even hear that call,
and may it be a way of life that we carry with us no matter where we
are or what day and year it is.
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And in the light of that presence, may this new year and this new
day be especially blessed with health and wholeness.
Amen and Shalom.
(The Pledge of Allegiance was recited in unison.)
(The American Flag was moved.)
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: There we go. Than
Commissioner.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you, Commissio Castro.
You do that --
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COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I've do00'a
or twice.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Yeah, you'vew times.
Thank you. Thank you.
Item #2A
APPROVAL OF TODAY'RE , CONSENT AND
SUMMARY AGENDA AS DED (EX PARTE
DISCLOSURE PROVID COMMISSION MEMBERS FOR
CONSENT AGENDA.) - PROVED AND/OR ADOPTED
W/CHANGES i
Item #213 andZIC
BCC MEEVNG MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 26, 2021, AND BCC
ME INUTES FOR DECEMBER 14, 2021 — APPROVED
'MR. ISACKSON: Thank you, Madam Chair. These are the
proposed agenda changes for your Board of County Commissioners
meeting of January 11 th, 2022.
The only item I have, Madam Chair, is to move Item 17A to 9A,
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which is a recommendation to adopt an ordinance establishing
pedestrian safety regulations in unincorporated Collier County and to
repeal portions of Ordinance 87-60 as amended. That was requested
by Commissioner LoCastro. I have no time -certain items proposed.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you very much.
So now we'll do approval of today's regular, consent, an
summary agenda, any ex parte. And at the same time we a e a
motion to approve the minutes of the October 26th, 202 ,QC
meeting and also the December 14th, 2021, BCC me
Commissioner Solis.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Thank you, a hair. No
disclosures and no changes to the agenda. Th y U.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank yo Commissioner
LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCAST ame. No disclosures and
no changes. -^
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR:; m* issioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER
S: I have no disclosures and no
changes as well.
CHAIRMAN TA)'l O : Commissioner McDaniel.
COMMISS;kNER McDANIEL: I am the same as well; no
disclosures,
CHA
changes.
ages.
TAYLOR: I am the same also; no disclosures, no
r a motion to approve the minutes as stated?
SSIONER McDANIEL: So moved.
�K)MMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So moved.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Do I have a second?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Second.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: All those in favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
January 11, 2022
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Ave.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Those oppose
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: It carries una
I
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d, like sign.
Proposed Agenda Changes
Board of County Commissioners Meeting
January 11, 2022
Move Item 17A to 9A: Recommendation to adopt an Ordinance establishing pedestrian safety
regulations in unincorporated Collier County, and to repeal portions of Ordinance 87-60, as amended.
(All Districts) (Commissioner LoCastro's Request)
Time Certain Items:
1/27/2022 2:26 PM
January 11, 2022
Item #2D
APPOINTMENT OF NEW CHAIRS FOR BOTH THE BOARD
OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THE COMMUNITY
REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY TO EXECUTE ALL
DOCUMENTS APPROVED AT BOTH THIS MEETING A��+
THOSE DOCUMENTS WHICH WERE PREVIOUSLY y
APPROVED BUT ARE PENDING SIGNATURE, AN�
APPOINT ITS MEMBERS TO THE COMMUNITY
REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY. THE TOURIST LOPMENT
BOARD, THE COMMUNITY AND ECON
DEVELOPMENT BOARD, THE AFFORDA OUSING
ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE PUBLA SA ETY
COORDINATING COUNCIL, ANC UTHWEST
FLORIDA REGIONAL PLAN
• APPOINTING COMMISSIO
CHAIRMAN AND COMMI Q
CHAIR — APPROVED; ^
CIL —
CDANIEL AS BCC
LOCASTRO AS VICE-
ING COMMISSIONER
MCDANIEL AND COMWSSIONER TAYLOR AS CO-CHAIRS
FOR THE COMVY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY —
APPROVED; • OINTING COMMISSIONER SOLIS TO THE
TOURIST D L MENT COUNCIL —APPROVED;
• APPOINQN OMMISSIONER TAYLOR TO THE
ECON ]DEVELOPMENT BOARD —APPROVED;
• AAP G COMMISSIONER LOCASTRO TO THE
F ABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE
APP#(OVED; • APPOINTING COMMISSIONER LOCASTRO TO
THE PUBLIC SAFETY COORDINATING COUNCIL —
APPROVED; • APPOINTING COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL
AND COMMISSIONER LOCASTRO TO THE SOUTHWEST
January 11, 2022
FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL — APPROVED
MR. ISACKSON: Madam Chair, I handed out during our
one-on-one sessions a little tutorial for Item 2D, which is the
authorization of new chairs.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: I left that in my offic ,
you keep yours.
MR. ISACKSON: And at this point in time i#and
b
appropriate since we have, I think, a rotation systemce for the
BCC chair and the vice chair, but I'll turn it overt let you
lead those proceedings. And then after that, chave
appointments needed for updating of the CRA,
Development Council, the Community a conomic Development
Board, Public Safety Coordinating �o 1,19d the Southwest
Florida Regional Planning Councr
i
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: t. Thank you very much.
Just for those that don't rily follow us as closely as we
follow each other, when sioner Saunders was elected, one of
the -- one of the many thi he brought to this board was a sense of
order in terms of the sugeession of the Chair. The Chair sits for one
year, and then it ' urned to another unless there's a majority vote of
the Commiss' an that's the way it was before. Now we have a
set rotatio ro s which is really consecutive according to our
district nu So I am now the outgoing chair. It is January.
And sioner McDaniel will be the incoming chair. He's in
Dirs'tfl�t
V, on that note, Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Oh, I know we're going to
switch seats here, but I think this would be an appropriate time to
thank you for your leadership in the past year. We've had some
difficult political issues. And the one thing that I can say without
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any hesitation is that we've maintained decorum in this room, and it's
in large measure due to the leadership of the Chair. So I want to
congratulate you and thank you for --
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- keeping us on a strai
path for the last 12 months and look forward to hopefully a st
path when Bill McDaniel takes over.
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: You never kno 0ou never
know. Do you want to go down front for the presen , or do you
want me to do it right up here?
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Your call. Y
COMMISSIONER McDANIEL: Let's g wn front.
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR: Okay. T ou going chair always
gets something, so...
nice.
COMMISSIONER McDANI IS ook at this. This is kind of
A
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR:
COMMISSIONER EL: And with this, I concur with
Commissioner Saunders regard to your leadership and how
you've done this year, Vd we really appreciate all your extra effort.
CHAIR M TAYLOR: Thank you very much.
COMMO R McDANIEL: How about a hand?
(App us,
CHA N TAYLOR: Commissioner McDaniel, I guess we
can ur seats right now.
MISSIONER McDANIEL: They don't want us to do it
un ' e break. Apparently, there's a changing of name tags and
everything else that needs to transpire, and the folks over in the
backroom that make all this happen want us to wait until we give
Terri a break for our court reporter, so...
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chair. Over here, Troy. I just want to let
January 11, 2022
you know we have a registered speaker for Item 2D, the appointment
to boards. I don't know when you wanted to hear that.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: We still have the vice chair.
MR. ISACKSON: Yeah. It would be appropriate for a
motion, I think, to solidify Commissioner McDaniel's and the vic
chair also. �+
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And the vice chair.1l
make that motion. Commissioner LoCastro will be the chair,
District 1. Congratulations.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Thank yo .
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And %Qg l tions,
Commissioner McDaniel.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Very g . 'Do you want to call
for a vote?
COMMISSIONER TAYLO econd that motion.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: een moved and seconded.
A
COMMISSIONER LoC
traffic, then I immediate
caught in traffic, like you
CHAIRMAN McI)►A:
exceptionally ea today?
So when you show up late for
�-..bver. So, you know, if you get
e been, then I'll jump right on it.
� L: Did anybody notice that I was
Comm R TAYLOR: I did.
CO I�NER LoCASTRO: Oh, we noticed. Yeah, we
noticed.
McDANIEL: I just want to make sure it didn't go
u2nINNced, so...
'"VMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Thank you. I appreciate the
honor.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: If there is no discussion, all in
favor, say aye.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
January 11, 2022
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed, same sign, same sou .
(No response.) �+
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved. There we
Now, let's go ahead and hear from our public. An 6
re we
go, who's running the air conditioning?
MR. MILLER: I can make a call on that, sir want it
cooler?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Please.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Oh, ah.
MR. MILLER: Yes. Your sQeistina Heuser.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL:
MS. HEUSER: Good in
COMMISSIONER TAYJVL7,,* Good morning.
MS. HEUSER: I j v tIo urge you all, as you consider
reappointing to the variou ards and agencies, that you not
reappoint Commis ionV Solis to the Tourist Development Council in
light of the fact he weaponized this position -- his position on
that board pr 1 us to manipulate this board to revote on the mask
mandate a d hings that were violative of the civil liberties of the
residents o ier County and not in the interest of tourism, since
we people come here to enjoy the freedoms that we enjoy
hs to our governor and state legislature.
MMISSIONER SAUNDERS: On that, I'll make a motion
to appoint Andy Solis to the Tourist Development Council.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'll second that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, before we go there --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll withdraw that motion
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until we get to it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I was going to say. And let's not
act in haste, number one. Number two, I actually had a proposition.
I wanted to see if you would like to consider swapping with me on
the -- with me taking the TDC and you moving onto the RPC
so -- because I'd like to -- I'd like to get more involved with t ;k
and learn and educate and edify myself and so on and so fo And
that was -- before that came about, that was one of the t .0 that I
was going to discuss this morning.
So let's go through the process. Let's start w' -- we don't
have any more public speakers, do we, Troy?
MR. MILLER: Not for this item, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. is go ahead and do the
community redevelopment and the
COMMISSIONER TAYLO �, 't think it can be anything
else but us, right?
MR. ISACKSON: Wel 'tionally, the district
commissioner of the -- tl mpasses the Immokalee CRA and the
district commissioner thalvompasses the Bayshore are typically
appointed.
COMMISS ER TAYLOR: Yeah.
CHAIR cDANIEL: And if we're okay with continuing
on with th t I ainly am. I know I'm --
COM IONER TAYLOR: Well, I think it makes good
sens you represent the district that the CRA is located in,
t e ck stops with you.
AIRMAN McDANIEL: Sure.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I think it's important that it's
like that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, then we'll stay with that.
And, Commissioner Solis, how do you feel about the trade?
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Not very good. I'd like to stay on
at least one more year for the TDC, I think, to have some continuity.
I'd like to continue to work with the folks related to the sports park
and the marketing program. So I'd like to -- I'd like to give it one
more year if that's okay. And I, obviously, take exception withzN
speaker's comments. I mean, I think --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Of course. 'V
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: -- it's ridiculous. O
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That's part -- not p 4 d parcel.
That's just someone's opinion. So I -- and there, _ 'm not -- I'm
certainly not going to argue. I just would liko
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: You're goin
full as Chair.
CHAIRMAN McE
COMMISSIONER
lot of work.
COMMISSIONER
CHAIRMAN McE
fine with Commissioner
Now, the Economo Development hoard.
Taylor, you oka ith staying there?
d chance --
e your hands
I have to do?
I the Chair. That's a
.eave it alone. I'm
Ze TDC.
Commissioner
COMM O R TAYLOR: Yeah, I'm very content to do
that. Tha k y
CHA N McDANIEL: Affordable Housing Advisory
Com 't ommissioner LoCastro?
MISSIONER LoCASTRO: Absolutely.
AIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Public Safety Coordinating
Council. Commissioner Saunders, you have had that rein. Are you
okay with that?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Sure.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. And then if it meets with
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everyone, Commissioner LoCastro and I will stay on the RPC.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: And I was the public safety
coordination. Are we switching it?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Oh, you were?
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I thought. -\Wt4,
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I'm sorry. I thought
Commissioner Saunders was.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I think I took it him last
year.
MR. ISACKSON: Commissioner LoCastro' urrent
representative.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Forgive me, n. I wasn't trading
on purpose. I actually thought it was stil ommissioner Saunders.
So if you still want the public safety. --
COMMISSIONER LoCAST ean, I'd like to. I, you
know --
CHAIRMAN McDANI really enjoyed that position when
I was there, so it's quite ion with our sheriff and our court
systems and so on and so h. So I wasn't moving you somewhere
where you didn't ka t9► be.
COMMISSR SAUNDERS: That's fine.
CHAIR cDANIEL: And then are you okay with
staying on wit e RPC?
COM IONER LoCASTRO: Absolutely.
AN McDANIEL: And so am I.
MISSIONER TAYLOR: I think you're going to have
yo nds a little busier than you've had in the past because of the
issue of resiliency and the compact that we are talking
about -- talking about forming. And I think if we can indulge our
board for a second, if Ms. Patterson could speak to that, because there
is some thought that a coordinating agency might be very helpful to
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gather Charlotte --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Sure.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: -- Lee --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And you and I have had long
discussions about it.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: -- which is what you al
wanted.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: RPC needs some -- far lOa k of a
better term, some loving. So let's -- I'll be happy to _6jolVn the RPC
and --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I think i i moving in
the direction that you've always said, look, yo ' e great
organization, you've got a framework, yo st need to figure out
what you're going to concentrate oni
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: the end, if the compact
does come to fruition, the RPC c NOV"- should be that mechanism in
order to ultimately manage th I'm happy to stay there.
So with that, Com Saunders, I saw you --
COMMISSIONER DERS : Yeah. I'm on the Property
Appraisal Adjustment hoard.
CHAIRM cDANIEL: Yes.
COMM O R SAUNDERS: And also the elections.
CHAI McDANIEL: You and I both are.
COM IONER TAYLOR: Oh, you're canvassing?
SSIONER SAUNDERS: Canvassing.
IRMAN McDANIEL: Those aren't the appointed
po . i s by us, are they?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So I don't have any problem
sticking with both of those two.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Nor do I. I'm on the canvassing
committee as well, so...
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR:
And so everyone understand,
elections are really very, very important. You are with us for the
year on the Canvassing Board on all the elections that take place
during that year.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That's correct. So with that, tsy
call for a motion for those nominations to take effect.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So move. 'V
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Second. 0
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved an4S nded that
those nominations will take effect as of today. AlkWvor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDE4S:
COMMISSIONER TAYLO
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: osed, same sign, same sound.
(No response.)"'
CHAIRMAN McD So moved. All right. We got
through that.
MR. ISACKSON:..#o Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Item #3D 1 Alk,
RECOGNrVT16 JONATHAN BARTOS, IN THE PUBLIC
UTIL EPARTMENT, SOLID &HAZARDOUS WASTE
MENT DIVISION AS THE DECEMBER 2021
E YEE OF THE MONTH —PRESENTED
MR. ISACKSON: The next item on your agenda is 3D. It's
the employee of the month. Let me read a little blurb about Jonathan
Bartos, your December 2021 Employee of the Month.
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Jonathan is a recycling coordinator in the Solid and Hazardous
Waste Management Division in Public Utilities and has been with the
county since 2019.
Jonathan is a dedicated and hardworking employee whose
enthusiasm, approach, and attitude allow him to make the differe e
in the community every day. He does more than provide adv'+
He engages communities and businesses throughout Collie unty
regarding recycling, preserving landfill airspace, and en i the
safe disposal of household hazardous waste.
He dedicated months to visiting businesses i sed
campaign of getting the owners and employe o rt and
participate in recycling by educating them on uring that time,
he found over 100 businesses and remove of ier County generated
recyclables that were later processeq o county, alerting them
to our local ordinance and encour ern to assist with the
recycling rate.
His education efforts inc information about how the
industry works, the bene t eir organization, as well as the
long-term positive impact Collier County of engaging in
recycling.
From the p emic impact outreach efforts, Jonathan took it
upon himself in lternative ways to reach out in eight
communit' s a businesses about recycling. One of those efforts
was a Face commercial for recycling. And while acting is not
part description, Jonathan jumped at the opportunity to take
p ZtN could get the message out about how each person,
co nity, and local business can make a difference.
Through his tenuous [sic] efforts over many months, Collier
County hit a 74 percent recycling rate for calendar year 2020, ranking
fourth in the state of Florida. Quite a remarkable feat, since it is not
common for a county without a waste energy program to meet this
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goal.
Jonathan demonstrates a true passion for our goal and mission to
maintain Collier County as the best place to live, work, and play.
Jonathan doesn't show up -- doesn't just show up every day; he
inspires every day, and that is why he was selected as December
2021 Employee of the Month.
Jonathan Bartos, please.
(Applause.) 0
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: There you are. C tulations.
MR. BARTO S : Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you :a5 at you do and
have done.
(Applause.)
Item #4A
A
PROCLAMATION DESIGNANING JANUARY 17, 2022, AS A
DAY TO REMEMBER LEBRATE DR. MARTIN
LUTHER KING JR.'S D M. ACCEPTED BY VINCENT
KEEPS, PRESIDENTE IS SMITH, CHAIRPERSON, AND
OTHER REPREkNTATIVES OF THE COLLIER COUNTY
BRANCH O�
Comm
AACP - READ INTO THE RECORD BY
MCDANIEL
CKSON: Mr. Chairman, we have several
p ions today; four to be exact. The first proclamation, 4A, is
a amation designating January 17th, 2022, as a day to remember
and celebrate Dr. Martin Luther King, Junior's, dream to be accepted
by Vincent Keeys, president; Jeris Smith, chairperson; and other
representatives of the Collier branch of the NAACP.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Outstanding. I believe Mr. -- I
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believe. Forgive me, Troy. I'll get over here by the microphone. I
believe Mr. Keeys is here, and you have a few words to share as well.
MR. KEEPS: Sure, sure. Good morning, Mr. Chair and
Broward County commissioners, staff.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Collier, by the way.
MR. KEEPS: Collier, excuse me. Excuse me. My �►
apologies.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Wrong side of the sta o that.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I think you've b busy man,
haven't you?
MR. KEEPS: I'm telling you. I'm telli is a pleasure
to join you this morning.
Of course, I want to say thank you t r staff as well as the
chair, Ms. Smith. You've done an ix . b.
We all look forward to honor ing. He has been a
person that we honor and live up t e hope to, hopefully, make
Collier County a better place, e look forward to next year, '23,
of actually having the pa
So we would like to te everyone to please attend the virtual
event this year and likV said, we look forward to having the actual
parade and cele ion next year.
COMM O R TAYLOR: Thank you.
CHA McDANIEL: Well, I really thank you all.
(A pl
AN McDANIEL: And after we do our pictures, I'm
g o ad the proclamation, because this is just really nice --
R. KEEPS: Very good. Excellent.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: -- and I'd like to do that, so...
Now we understand why he was here.
You know, this proclamation says a lot. And so I'd like to read
it, if you will indulge me for a moment.
I
January 11, 2022
Whereas, on the steps of Lincoln Memorial, Dr. Martin Luther
King, Jr., spoke passionately of his dreams of an America where all
citizens would be judged by the content of their character and not by
the color of their skin, where all Americans would enjoy the riches of
freedom and the security of justice, where the door of opportunit
would be open for all; and,
Whereas, the celebration of Dr. King's birthday is intes a
time for all Americans to reaffirm their commitment to sic
principles that underlie our Declaration of Independe d
Constitution, equality and justice for all;
Whereas, on Monday, January 17th, 202 0 le of Collier
County will remember Dr. King's dream and r e ur commitment
to bringing forth positive change through our nation; and,
Whereas, the Collier County bra e NAACP will help us
all to remember Dr. King's dream, enting the 25th Dr. Martin
Luther King, Jr., Day celebration t e ed, We must walk on in the
days ahead with an audacious in the future."
This year's celebrat' be conducted virtually.
Now, therefore, be it claimed by the Board of County
Commissioners on -- NV en ay, January 17th, be designated as a day
to remember an lebrate Dr. Martin Luther King's dream. Signed
Commission ay as chair.
And ith t, if you would, please.
(Appl
EYS: And with that, I really would like to turn this
0 ally, to the chairperson.
AIRMAN McDANIEL: Oh, okay.
MR. KEEYS: Thank you. Thank you so very much. Thank
you so very much.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Absolutely.
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PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING JANUARY 2022 AS HUMAN
TRAFFICKING AWARENESS MONTH IN COLLIER COUNTY.
ACCEPTED BY LINDA OBERHAUS, CHIEF EXECUTIVE
OFFICER, THE SHELTER FOR ABUSED WOMEN AND �►
CHILDREN - READ INTO THE RECORD
MR. ISACKSON:
Commissioners, the next
proclamation designating January 2022 as H
Awareness Month in Collier County. That'(,
Oberhaus, chief executive office, the Shelter
Children.
then.
MS. OBERHAUS: Do you win
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: &A
OBERHAUS:
CHAIRMAN McD
OBERHAUS:
Commissioners,
much for ackno,
Awareness
I just
trafficking
happoo�
and
tion is a
cking
)ted by
Linda
ed Women and
me up or speak first?
What do you prefer?
speak first.
e you're right there, go ahead
So good morning,
Happy New Year to all of you. Thank you so
)ring January as National Human Trafficking
to share a couple of stats with you about human
n talk with you a little bit about a partnership that's
locally to address the issue.
)dome basic stats are that human trafficking is the third largest
test growing illegal business in the world following weapons
igs. Florida ranks third in the nation for the number of calls
to the human trafficking hotline, and looking at some data recently, I
was looking at those statistics in Florida being third in the nation, and
Fort Myers and Naples is the second highest -- have the second
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highest number of calls in the state of Florida.
It's estimated that 83 percent of all human trafficking cases are
U.S. born Americans; 50 percent of those trafficked are children.
The average age of a trafficking victim is 15; and it's estimated that
over 70 percent of women and girls are now sold online.
So people ask the question, why is human trafficking on e
fastest organized crimes in the world? And that's because ickers
choose to trade in human beings because historically th 64 s been
low risk and high profits and high demands.
And I just want to give you one example of t o the
minimum wage is approximately $15,000 a y t a erage law
enforcement officer makes approximately $60, 0 a year, and the
average human trafficker makes an avera f 240,000 a year.
And so what are we doing aboVt in Collier County?
So just briefly I want to let you we recently -- we recently
signed an MOU with the Collier u y Sheriffs Office, Naples
Police Department, and Marc&torr
d Police Department in
partnership also with our teyfor the 20th Judicial Circuit,
Amira Fox, and our treat t courts. So the whole point behind
this -- and it's called thVNordic model. I would encourage folks to
look online at t elter, Naples Shelter.org. It's to deemphasize
prosecuting t vi ims and putting them in jail and offering them
support anjse es and placing a stronger emphasis on the buyers of
women an s in our community because it's really the buyers that
are c e demand for the traffickers to go out and exploit other
v
d so with that, I just want to thank you all again for your
acknowledgment.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you, Ms. Linda.
(Applause.)
MR.ISACKSON: Congratulations.
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Item #4C
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING JANUARY 2022 AS
FLORIDA PANTHER MONTH IN COLLIER COUNTY.
ACCEPTED BY RICKY PIRES, DIRECTOR, FLORIDA G
COAST UNIVERSITY "WINGS OF HOPE" PROGRAM D
INTO THE RECORD
MR. ISACKSON: Commissioners, the nextpQWr, mation is a
proclamation designating January 2022 as Fl a tYier Month in
Collier County. To be accepted by Ricky Pir it ctor of the
Florida Gulf Coast University Wings of e rogram.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Are ng to speak first?
MS. PIRES: Sure.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: olutely.
MS. PIRES: All right. t
thank you all for honoring our
artists. I hope you guys �rtwork back there and
evervthina. too.
Tell us a little bit about that,
too.
COMLAISWNER TAYLOR: All right, good.
MS. Also, my FGCU Wings of Hope program slash
Flori er posse, we bring about 5,000 fourth and fifth graders
u niversity in their big yellow limo, you know, and so -- and,
als ey learn about the Florida panther, okay. And I have about
400 during the year of FGCU students, you know, the cool college
kids that educate the kids also, our fourth and fifth graders.
And we teach them about the natural history of the Florida
panther, their babies, their kittens and wildlife that lives with the
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Florida panther, you know, what the panther goes grocery shopping
for and also research. The posse is actually part of research. They
have infrared motion cameras out there, and they buy those with their
Pennies for Panthers, and just ways they can live in harmony with the
Florida panther, because most of them are in their backyard, all t se
panthers are. t
With only 120 to 230 left in the world -- we've alread 44t our
first one this year, okay. It was a male on Collier et7
-- by a
car. Last year we lost 27, okay. Twenty of themrs.
And, you know, the males always like to go and d
territory, and also a lot of dating going on, ho uThen after the program, we give a form t 1 tudents,
and even the college kids, and they educa t least two people about
the Florida panther. So the results ja , and it was kind of
disturbing, because a lot of peopl ere's about a thousand
Florida panthers in Southwest Flo okay.
And also, the color of th �'` t is black, okay. No, they are
not. You know that two�Clli�f the bodv of the Florida panther is
tan, okay. N
Black panther are�leopards or jaguars. The Disney does not
get it, okay, wit eir characters. And also some of our sports
teams for the' as ts. So I decided, okay, we need to get the
informatio ou So I created this "Never say goodbye to the Florida
panther" a test, and I recruited Florida Wildlife Federation,
okay anther team, that helps us a lot, and the wonderful
N o, and, of course, the Collier County art department, and I
ev cruited my husband's law firm, Woodward, Pires &
Lom ardo, you know, so they were on board to help honor these
artists. You know, they worked really hard. We have 2,500 kids
that participated that got actually one of the big panther posters, okay.
And we also didn't leave out our art teachers. You're the ones
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that actually work really, really hard, so we honored them also.
And they asked, Ms. Ricky, okay, why are we doing this? Why
are we protecting the Florida panther and its habitat? So it's an
umbrella specie. Think about it. When we protect the Florida
panther and its habitat, we protect all the wildlife, don't we? A e
clean air. You need clean area. How about clean water?
So it all results down: It's saving us when we save the Flo
panther. O
So the students and the teachers and all of us go ther, and
we realized that it's our responsibility, all of us, o onsibility to
take care of this Florida panther, its habitat, and ca i into the
future and never, never say goodbye. And tha ou guys so much.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank , Ms. Pires.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER TAYLO ve got to do this.
MS. PIRES: Twenty-one je
COMMISSIONER TAY A
Twenty-one years.
CHAIRMAN McD Make sure I gave her the right one.
COMMISSIONER LOR: You did.
MS. PIRES: I digkwt ook. Fantastic. Thank you all. I really
appreciate it.
(Applau,e
Item #4D
P �tMATION RECOGNIZING THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY
O E NAPLES CONCERT BAND. THE PROCLAMATION
WIL BE PRESENTED BY COMMISSIONER PENNY TAYLOR
ON JANUARY 16, 2022, TO THE NAPLES CONCERT BAND AT
ITS PERFORMANCE AT THE CAMBIER PARK BANDSHELL -
READ INTO THE RECORD
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MR. ISACKSON: Commissioners, your final proclamation is a
proclamation recognizing the 50th anniversary of the Naples Concert
Band. The proclamation will be presented by Commissioner Taylor
on January 16th, 2022, to the Naples Concert Band at its perform ce
at the Cambier Park band shell.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Andjustanote,ifyo—usVever
heard the Concert Band, you're in for a treat. And beli e, come
early. You bring your lawn chair. You sit there, b es are
limited. It's very, very popular. They're an extr ry group
who not only have, quote -unquote, amateur 'c s ho practice
through the week and present, they also suppo s dents in the
schools and help them with their music c r. So it's a worthy
endeavor. It's a lot of fun. You kilo fight meet some people
that you kind of like to talk to. Tl u.
v
Item #5A
PRESENTATION OF T OLLIER COUNTY BUSINESS OF
THE MONTH FOR JAWUARY 2022 TO PRESTIGE INSURANCE
CONSULTAN NC. THE AWARD WILL BE ACCEPTED BY
SHANNON R N AND SONIA ROCCA, AGENCY
OWNERS A O PRESENT IS BETHANY SAWYER, VICE
PRESIDE MEMBERSHIP, THE GREATER NAPLES
CH F COMMERCE — PRESENTED
R. ISACKSON: Mr. Chairman and Commissioners, under 5,
5A is a presentation of the Collier County Business of the Month for
January 2022 to Prestige Insurance Consultants, Incorporated. The
award will be accepted by Shannon Morgan and Sonia Rocca, agency
owners. Also present is Bethany Sawyer, vice president of the
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membership of the Greater Naples Chamber of Commerce. I think I
also see Mike Dalby there also. Is that Mike in the mask?
MS. MORGAN: I just click -- I'm Shannon Morgan. That's
my business partner, Sonia Rocca. I wanted to thank all the county
commissioners for this award and also for the Chamber for
nominating us. We appreciate everything that you all do for �►
community and also the Chamber in making this a great pl olive.
We started our business in 2006, have had great gr and I
appreciate all of you for what you do, because that h do what
we do and be successful and be able to give back t community.
We are very active in different charities and d t t charities.
Definitely believe in our success, putting that t r s other people
and other charities within the opportunity ive back. So thank
you. I appreciate it.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER TAYLO ank you.
Item #7
PUBLIC COMMENTSoO GENERAL TOPICS NOT ON THE
CURRENT ORYCTURE AGENDA
MR. TIOSAI SON: Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, that brings
us to Item lic comments on topics not on the current or future
agen
I think we have four, correct?
R. MILLER: That is correct, sir. Our first speaker is
Kris ina Heuser. She will be followed by Al Schantzen.
MS. HEUSER: Thank you.
I just wanted to take a moment to express my extreme
dissatisfaction with your selection of Map 2 at the last meeting.
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There's no clear reason why you would do that other than pandering
to two special interest groups. It does not serve the interests of the
residents of Collier County. What it does, actually, is create the best
possible environment for a democrat to be elected from District 5,
which we hope that does not happen, because we know that wha in
the best interest of the residents of Collier County and this sta
this nation is Republican government.
And I would expect that five elected Republicans, Ost in
name, would share that value. But it's evident by yo roval of
the Map 2 that you do not. And it's very disappoi
And I know that my comments are mean' e to three of you,
Commissioner Saunders, Taylor, and Solis, th v ted for that, but I
just wanted to make these comments fort benefit of the voters so
that they know that you have revealed JWes as pandering to
leftist groups and you do not supp e blican government and
values, once again. Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Your ne aker is Al Schantzen. He'll be
followed by Cathy Nov
y
MR. SCHANTZEN: ood morning, Commissioners. For the
record -- congratul tior�, r. Chair.
I'm here to on behalf of the Domestic Animal Services.
We've had a e tin in the past, and I'd like to just bring you up to
date wher we at on that, is I'm a volunteer down with them and
happy to d
c . ues to improve with a good team heading up
'Kent now and staff improvements and additions to the staff.
A t e overall communication and morale has progressed, but
there's a lingering concern about the Humane Society's attempt
to -- and do a full court press to still trying to take over DAS.
The Humane Society does not appear to be looking at a
cooperative effort as staff had -- as the Board had directed staff to
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look at ways of getting all interested parties involved to make
transitionary or different aspects of instead of a full takeover. It is
still seeking single -source control.
It's totally their prerogative. It's a great country we live in.
But a little sunshine on the progress would be nice to disinfect t se
wounds that this process causes. Behind -the -scenes meetingk(y,
key players and not in public view, it makes for a toxic --
atmosphere, and your attention to this and previous disc
cooperation and understanding of open dialogue wit
would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank ou
y ,vctr
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Ca
saying that properly. And she'll be follovAd l
COMMISSIONER
second?
TAYLOR:
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL:
e parties
ry-Novy. I hope I'm
� Tim Carpenter.
ak to that just one
COMMISSIONER TAY A Mr. Schantzen please be
assured that it is custom Bally something that just happens
because of how we do busXess in terms of meeting with folks who
are interested in
decisions -- any
important wheT
this
an$kthat quietly in a room, but any
isions, especially of something that is so
artment of Animal or --
McDANIEL:
TAYLOR:
DAS, that is always done in
4�?h full public participation.
SCHANTZEN: I have no doubt in that, ma'am. I'm just
he t put the punctuation point on this to make sure it stays in view,
and have no doubt about the Sunshine Law and the way it will be
done, and I've got no doubt that it will be done to the satisfaction of
our four -legged friends. I'm just -- wanting just to make sure this
stays in public view so that it can be supported. And any decisions
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that you make will be on behalf of the employees and the animals; I
understand that. But I'm going to stay ahead of it. Thank you.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Thank you. Thank you very
much.
MR. MILLER: And now your next speaker is Cathy Novy.
And she'll be followed by Tim Carpenter.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'm sorry, Ms. Novy.
MS. NOVY: It's okay. Is Mr. French here? 0
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: In the back.
MS. NOVY: Hi, there. All righty. I belie nt -- I don't
believe I sent this to all the commissioners. rmina. You all
got this email? Do I hear a yes from everyon
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes
MS. NOVY: All right. And yo e over 250 signatures.
All right.
We have to stop the cruee
e concrete at this site. Don't
know how else to say it. I'ming to belabor it, but it's out of
control. Has anybody b 'lately, driven by the city dump at
Santa Barbara and Davis. he concrete is so high it's pathetic, and
we cannot have this guyt r. Cadenhead, crush it to get it all into our
lanais adjacent t e Boys and Girls Club.
And yo ow e story; it's all in the petition. So, frankly, do
you folks ave y questions? Because we're not letting this go.
We're not 1 this go. You guys allowed this to happen two years
ago. owed it, and now you have to stop it.
IRMAN McDANIEL: This is not a question -and -answer
pe Say your peace. We'll respond appropriately, then we'll go
forward. This is not the time and the place for you to be asking
questions of our board. Continue on with your presentation, please.
MS. NOVY: My presentation is self-explanatory in this
petition.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay, very good.
And, Commissioner Saunders, would you like to address her?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I want to ask Mr. French a
question or two, here.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I understand what yo+
saying in terms of we don't generally get into that dialogue
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No, we don't. O
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- but this h n an issue
that's been before this board at least four times, an brought it
here. va,._
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct. AV
ave'have addressed
this multiple times.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDEP�S: 1 I'm going to address
it again.
COMMISSIONER TAYLO kay.
COMMISSIONER SA S: Mr. French, my
understanding is that the rushing going on; that that would be
a violation of -- a code vi 'on and a violation of their Site
Development Plan. WJaat is the status there, and -- because I haven't
spoken to you n in a couple weeks on this.
MR. FR C Thank you, Mr. Chair and Commissioner
Saunders, oa
So the Development Plan is still active. It expires on
Mar 1 It just so happens that it will expire at the 90-day
p t t you adopted the latest ordinance with regards to removing
01 ebris within 90 days. There is no activity currently going on
on the site. We monitor the site on a regular basis.
I did have conversation with Mr. Siesky, who is representing -- I
don't know if he's representing Mr. Cadenhead or the Hubschman
family. But Jim Siesky, Jaime Cook, and I did have a conversation
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with regard to staffs position that they are required to have an
environmental resource permit from the District, which they don't
currently have a valid environmental resource permit, so no activity
is currently going on on that site.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: The reason I wanted to tvk9e
e
sure that that was still the case is that obviously this site has t cb�
cleaned up at some point, and it seems to me that if there's g to
be any crushing done, it's better to have it done after se the
rainy season so there won't be the problem with dust. so just so
you understand, there's no crushing going on at th' t from what I
understand.
MS. NOVY: I understand there's no cru i g going on, but we
want him to get an excavation permit so an remove the concrete,
as silly as it might sound, and crush�it re where it should have
been done in the first place. You it to be done there in a
residential area adjacent to a Bo s n Girls Club, sir. We've had
this discussion, you and I, one e.
COMMISSIONER RS: Absolutely. And the
problem that the Commis has is that they were issued a Site
Development Plan by tlye staff, not an issue that came before the
Board. They re 'ved their environmental resource permit from the
state. Agai oth issue that was never brought before the Board.
The first ti e the Board became even aware of there being an
issue was the public brought it to our attention.
e inherited a situation where there is a tremendous
a t concrete on a piece of property that, arguably, was put
th gally because of the state permit and the county permit that
was issued. So the issue becomes how do we get this site cleaned in
the most efficient way without causing some environmental hazard to
the community.
So my belief was, well, the best way to do that is to stop any
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crushing until after the -- until the rainy season begins so at least
there's not a dust problem. But we are not in a position -- and the
County Attorney probably could opine on this, and maybe it's a
question for the County Attorney -- this board simply cannot say to
the property owner "you have to remove that material." We don
have that legal authority, because it was put there legally.
And that's a question, I guess, I would ask the County ey.
Because if the County Attorney says, yes, we can order to
remove the property [sic], I'll make that motion right but I don't
think we can do that, and that's kind of the proble .
MR. KLATZKOW: This board enacte o n nce fairly
recently. The ordinance is effective in March.
We gave the owner 90 days to comp in e the owner said it
would only take him 90 days to fix �t. at ordinance becomes
effective, I will be coming to this king the Board whether or
not they want to institute a legal to compel the owner to
remove it, but that's going to arch.
COMMISSIONER RS: Okay. And when that is
available to us, I guarante u I'll make that motion to move forward
to do that.
MS. NOV Let me understand. So in March, in less than
two months, 're ing to -- I want to be clear so I can bring this
back to pe le. You're going to -- tell me again what you're going to
do.
ATZKOW: In March I will bring an item before the
B ounty Commissioners asking the Board to direct me to
bri n action in the local trial court here to compel the owner to
clean up the property.
MS. NOVY: Cleaning up could mean crushing it at the site?
MR. KLATZKOW: No. Removing it.
MS. NOVY: Removing it, thank you. That works.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So that will happen in
March.
MS. NOVY: That works. So we're not going to have any
crushing until --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No, no more crushing.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: That's been the goal.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: That's what Commiss* r
Saunders -- there's no more crushing. It's over. 0
MR. FRENCH: Commissioner.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Well, the ing to
be -- well, I don't want to have you leave with m o entially false
hope here. The County Attorney's indicated h ill file a legal
action.
MR. KLATZKOW: This is irl
COMMISSIONER SAUND e still have to win it.
MR. KLATZKOW: What h ns between now and March I
cannot tell you what the own e ' .ng to do. I cannot tell you what
staff s going to do. But arch, I will be coming to this
board for direction.
COMMISSIONEI�*SAUNDERS: And there will be potentially
a lawsuit filed t &Oere
e him to clean it. The county still has to prevail
in the lawsui will be two sides to that, but that's the
position w ha fight now.
MS. : Just truly read what I wrote in the petition. It's
scie i based. Unlike COVID, it is scientifically based that
t sing a health hazard, and we've been dealing with this for
tw ars and --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And that's exactly why I
wanted to make sure there was no crushing during this dry season,
because of the potential dust issue.
MS. NOVY: I have news for you, Commissioner. Even
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during the rainy season, we have this much on our lanais. It's -- we
can't keep breathing this in. So I'm over this. We're good?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes.
MS. NOVY: Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Your final speaker under Item 7 is Tim
Carpenter.
MR. CARPENTER: My name is Tim Carpenter, andve a
couple of things I want to talk about, a couple of questi o
comments. One is on the redistricting. I was really pointed in
how it was done. We had candidates that had goa t nted
certificates or petitions from the Supervisor o e n that had their
names on it. They had gone out and worked t school board
candidates. Some of them had spent up qAse to $1,000. Suddenly
that was all changed with the redistrJct' those people were
totally not living in the district th een working in. And it just
seemed like it came out late, and t could have been informed of
that earlier and not had to put he effort.
Also, another thing hat really bothered me, I know that
a lot of it is done because ederal regulations, and you have to do
certain things, but there
,Owas only two groups that apparently gave
you influence a ave you direction or at least that were mentioned
that were co e S. ne was the League of Women Voters. The
other one as NAACP. It seems like there would have been
more Colli unty people that would have been involved in the
decisi ing process.
th PNre District 3 was added and the changes between 2 and 3,
as seven churches that was literally split down the front of
those churches of which district those -- and it mainly would be
influence that they would have with their school board members.
But I found that you guys hadn't contacted any of those
churches. I just think in 10 years from now when that's done again
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there needs to be a little more advance forethought and information
put into where the district lines are drawn. And I really realize that
you probably can't do much in retrospect, but let's change it in the
future is my comments on that.
The second thing is -- and I didn't intend to talk about this i
last night. I don't hang out down here in your courtyard real ti at
night, late at night, but last night I happened to be down he r a
meeting. As I was leaving, there was seven homeless
sleeping in the courtyard.
Collier County is growing and is growing tre usly fast. I
would think that we were better than that. I it, h se people to
have a bed, not a concrete pad to sleep on. a 't there be a way
that they are put into some kind of a facil' to leep, then move them
out to the place that they are from, giv e hat they need to
survive? Some of them I realize t e a long term, a lot of them
could be moved back to other ar a o1he country where they've
come from. And I'm sorry, e is up. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN Mc D Thirty seconds.
MR. CARPENTER: irty seconds.
So I would ju t 114 to see some long-term plan, because it's
going to get wo on the homeless people. So you have to deal with
it now while 've of seven in the courtyard, or you'll have
hundreds i th eet. So it's up to us as Collier County to decide
how we're to deal with those people, because we're better than
havi t sleep on the street. I don't -- I mean, whatever I need to
gever I need to do, but let's get them off of the street and in
be And that's my speech.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you, sir.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Appreciate it very much.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I wondered, the Chair, just a
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gentle question, given the length of our meeting, which is shorter
today. We have the former chair of St. Matthew's House here who I
think could respond very succinctly to the concerns expressed.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You know, I appreciate your
bringing that up. I saw him here, but that is an item that's comin
S,
before this board
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: That's true.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: -- the second meetingpionuary,
and I don't want to have that discussion without the ,because
Mrs. Pires' husband will turn us upside down. So Id rather say
to Tim, there's a plan -- not you, sir, but the g e n ho spoke,
Tim, that there is a plan in place. There are ci cu stances that are
happening as we speak to assist with that cess for the
homelessness. So I'd rather let that. --
COMMISSIONER TAYLO , I think that's good.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANI ep.
Item #9A
ORDINANCE 02: AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING
PEDESTRI A TY REGULATIONS IN
UNINCO O TED COLLIER COUNTY, AND TO REPEAL
PORTION ORDINANCE 87-60, AS AMENDED —ADOPTED
JSQWISACKSON: Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, that moves
A, which was formerly 17A. It's a recommendation to adopt
an ordinance establishing pedestrian safety requirements in
unincorporated Collier County and repeal portions of
Ordinance 87-60 as amended. And this was brought forth by
Commissioner LoCastro.
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MR. KLATZKOW: And Assistant County Attorney Colleen
Kerins will present.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Say that again.
MR. KLATZKOW: And Assistant County Attorney Colleen
Kerins will present.
MS. KERINS: Good morning.
MR. KLATZKOW: Colleen's relatively new to our o-41
She came on board about a year ago. She was a partne i-
litigation firm.
MS. KERINS: Good morning. Our office d in
conjunction with the Sheriffs Office to put fo a destrian safety
ordinance to address concerns regarding indivi u s within the
medians of the county.
We broke it down, and we tried t ht some of the main
parts of the ordinance here. Secti the ordinance deals and
tracks along with the recent chan Florida Statute 316.130 which
pretty much, in laymen's term that you can't willfully obstruct
moving traffic or sidewa e county. The same thing, our goal
here is to make sure that t 's not people between travel lanes of
traffic, as most of the cWnty, as you know, is made up of arterial
roads, and the r f speeds can be concerning.
With th s id, is particular ordinance does not regulate free
speech. I is c ent neutral in nature, and it does not restrict
individuals communicating or passing items with vehicles on
the r ollier County if they are lawfully stopped.
o have parameters on these items. FDOT defines a
m as being anything under -- or over eight feet preferably, and it
goes down to say anything over six -and -a -half feet can be considered
a median. It notates a difference as to a traffic separator, which is
under six -and -a -half feet. With that said, we are not restricting
people being in the larger medians but trying to get people away from
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the middle of intersections where there's more of a chance of having
safety issues.
With that said, we did break it down as to how any
correspondence or communication with vehicles on the roads can be.
If it's a one -lane road and the car is lawfully stopped, individuals n
approach a vehicle from either direction on either side, the dr' r
the passenger's side. If it is a one-way road with two lanes y can
approach from either side if it is lawfully stopped.
The largest concern is on our many arterial road re there
are more than two lanes going in two different dir , multiple
lanes in terms of traffic left-hand turns. In th i ion, the only
time a vehicle can be approached is when it is t e right -most lane
legally stopped on the right side of the ve ' le. That prohibits
anyone from violating the prior portJo ordinance in terms of
walking through the lanes of traffi o'i� ple standing on the median
and coming off of the street to co icate with the traffic.
The reason it is set up th' is due to the national trend and
constitutional challenges ordinances, and the Sheriff s Office
and our office wanted to e sure we had something put in place
that is able to be defenc.*d and something that can actually be
prosecuted to a ss the underlying safety concerns.
And Sec ' 6, nce again, defines what a traffic separator is as
to where o r m ' concerns are within the county, and it also gives
exceptions, o the prior portions, for law enforcement officers,
Soli , or other types of maintenance vehicles legally working
i ndscaped areas or other areas of those medians and traffic
se ors.
And the penalty enforcement goes along with the rest of the
codes of laws in terms of it being a misdemeanor with a fine not to
exceed $500 and jail time not to exceed 60 days.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner LoCastro.
January 11, 2022
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You're the one that brought this up.
I'm assuming you have a comment or two.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I do. You know, I brou ht
this forward because it was in the summary agenda, and a lot o es
when things are in the summary or the consent agenda, they s tf
just get missed by citizens not -- you know, we make one v nd
we approve, you know, a whole plethora of things. I t e all
know we've gotten a lot of emails from people. I m e
know -- I know you used a lot of good legal speak hatnot, but
we're talking about people in the roads asking ey or trying to
sell things or whatnot, and it's really gotten -- i s ea ly escalated in
some key areas.
And, although, as -- you know�I' n to the Sheriffs
Office, and I'm sure most of us ha not illegal to come up on
the street and ask them for $5, b t ig thing is, we want to make
sure that in areas where it pre safety issue, we actually have
enforcement. I mean, In tons of emails, as we all have, from
people that just say, well, IVarrest everybody in the street asking for
money, and that's actuaJ�y not something that is possible. And so we
want something t is enforceable.
And so e ie t ing, you know, small to medium bites out of the
apple. A d a too, when I spoke with Sheriff Bloom about this,
Colonel Bl , we're learning a lot from other counties who either
tried hings like this and they weren't enforceable so people
w d out of the jails in, like, five minutes, and I'm not sure that
th hat we want to be the primary job of our sheriffs is to, you
know, arrest people and then release them five minutes later because
we have an ordinance with no teeth.
So this is a start, really, of a process to control. And I'll never
say "eliminate," because there are some areas where you actually can
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do this legally. But I really commend our County Attorney and
County Attorney's Office working with the Sheriffs Office so we can
have something that is, as you said -- I liked your term -- enforceable,
defendable, and prosecutable.
And so I wanted people to hear it and not just have it burie
the summary agenda, because it's been a hot topic where we' v en
a lot of notes, and a lot of people think we're sitting on our s
doing nothing, and really over, you know, the last week Q months
our County Attorney's Office has actually been work' ith the
Sheriffs Office and other counties to give us som here in
Collier that had more teeth in it.
So it doesn't mean you won't see anybod n the road, but we're
hoping this will control and, in many cas n some areas where
safety is an issue, eliminate, you kngw olks out on the road
either, you know, selling things or for money or whatnot.
So I just -- I met with our Co Attorney. I thought it was
important maybe that we did t bit of a deeper dive than just
have it sort of buried in t ary agenda. So, you know, there is
a lot going on to put more th in our County Attorney ordinance,
and this is what I think . a strong start.
CHAIRM cDANIEL: Agreed.
MR. KL W: And for clarity -- and Ms. Kerins did all
the hard li ing re along with the Sheriffs Office over the past six
months. arity, what this boils down to is that the sidewalks are
publi s so that if you want to hold up a sign "Vote for
C 's�rioner McDaniel" at the next election, you can do that on the
si k. If you want to hold up a sign "Eat at Joe's," you put it on
the sidewalk. And, quite frankly, panhandling's no different than
that. It's just a different form of expression. Many of us may find it
distasteful, but still.
So what we're doing with this ordinance is we're limiting the
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public forum to the sidewalk itself keeping people out of the
right-of-way. And the primary motive for that, quite frankly, was
my telling Colleen, my God, we installed a six -lane arterial system in
Collier County with God knows how many turn lanes. Cars are
whizzing by at 55, 60 miles an hour. We just can't have people
the right-of-way.
Now we've got a provision in there that allows people e in a
median if it's six -and -a -half -feet or greater. We don't r have
those. And the ones that we do, we've got landscape them, so
they're not going to be usable.
So, again, the key feature of this is that t i ZRaks are public
forums for any expression whatsoever but kee 'n people out of the
road for safety sake, because we've had t in t e past where people
just get run over, and it's just -- it's jus
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: rl�, ere is a -- there is a trespass
provision as well, because a lot of s these folks that are
expressing themselves in our f-ways end up on private
property, and there is an or a property owner to actually
physically trespass someo ff their -- off their own property, so
step by step.
And you fe elatively speaking, that this is something that -- I
like the fang g th you used that we have an opportunity to make
some adju tme
MS. S: Yes.
AN McDANIEL: Good. Do we need to call for a
v is individually? Yeah, we do. So any other discussion?
MMISSIONER LoCASTRO: No. Thank you, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Make your motion, Commissioner.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Make a motion to approve.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Second.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Second.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded that
we accept the ordinance as presented. Any other discussion?
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I'd just add one thing; that
much like many other things that we approve here, that they're living,
working documents. So as we get more citizen input, any of us,
as the County Attorney continues to converse with our Sherif
Office, if we think we need to make some amendments or s
changes or we realize there's some holes in it possibly
will find where the loose ends might be, that at any ti
bring back, you know, an updated version to ensur
strong of a policy and ordinance as possible.
MR. KLATZKOW: Absolutely.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in fAor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS:
COMMISSIONER LoCAS
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL:
COMMISSIONER SA
COMMISSIONER
CHAIRMAN McD
(No response.
CHAIRM cDANIEL:
Item # 11
e people
Wu can
we have as
Opposed, same sign, same sound.
So moved. Next?
AW QUEST FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES (RPS) NO.
2 4 'I DESIGN SERVICES FOR OLD LELY UTILITY
I VEMENTS" IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF $1519081833
TO OHNSON ENGINEERING, INC. WITH AUTHORIZATION
TO ISSUE AN INITIAL PURCHASE ORDER FOR TASK 1 AND
REIMBURSABLES IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,152,0201 TO BE
FOLLOWED BY FUTURE PURCHASE ORDER
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MODIFICATIONS FOR SUBSEQUENT TASKS 2 AND 3, BOTH
ENCOMPASSED IN THE TOTAL CONTRACT AMOUNT,
SUBJECT TO AND DICTATED BY BOARD -APPROVED
FUNDING UNDER PROJECT #60224 (FUNDS 412,414 AND
327); AND AUTHORIZE THE NECESSARY BUDGET
AMENDMENT — APPROVED
MR. ISACKSON: Mr. Chairman, Commissioner ®t brings
us to Item 11, the County Manager's report. 1 lA is
recommendation to award Request for Profession ices (RPS)
No. 21-7881, design services for Old Lely uti ' i ro ements, in
the total amount of $15,908,833 to Johnson Efe�
e ing, Inc., with
authorization to issue an initial purchase erask 1 and
reimbursables in the amount of $5,1�2 be followed by future
purchaser order modifications for 1, ent Tasks 2 and 3 both
encompassed in the total contrac nt subject to and dedicated by
the Board -approved funding.
Ms. Trinity Scott, y ty department head for Growth
Management, will presen .
MS. SCOTT: Thnk you. Good morning.
So today w here to obtain professional engineering services
to replace ag' g 'n tructure in the Lely area.
And wa to bring up a location map because, as
Commissio oCastro's well aware, when we refer to Lely,
som e have to determine which section of Lely we're actually
taM ut, and we're talking about the section of Lely along St.
A s Boulevard over to Rattlesnake Hammock, not the Lely
Resort area.
And this agreement, as Mr. Isackson pointed out, includes
multiple tasks, the first of which is preliminary engineering. It will
be followed by design and permitting and, ultimately, construction
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administration services for infrastructure to include stormwater,
potable water, wastewater, irrigation quality water, and sidewalks.
As we have done with many of our other public utility and
stormwater partnerships, we are working so that we can go in and
replace that infrastructure together to have less inconvenience to e
residents in the area.
What we are asking for today is authorization to move4�ward
with Task 1 in reimbursables, which comes up to #td
Q. There
will be future agenda items as we progress througj ect, and
we'll come back before you for authorization for Tnd 3.
There is a slight modification to what w rn the
executive summary regarding the funding for t isherefore, I
would like to read the following into the r rd: A budget
amendment in the amount of $1,854,e7 required to establish a
budget in the Stormwater Fund 32 econd set of budget
amendments are needed in the am of $3,000,297 -- I'm
sorry -- $3,297,292.80 for co 'de Capital Fund 301 to advance
funding to Water and W r Capital Funds 412 and 414.
All budget amendme are necessary to cover the cost for Task
1 and reimbursables an.4r, as noted on the slide, Fund 301 will be
reimbursed aAnj14
pletion of Task 1 by the Water Fund 412 and
Wastewater .
And ith t, we're asking for your approval to award
Agreement .T-781 for the total contract amount of $15,908,833
to Jo s ngineering and authorize to issue the initial purchase
o No ask 1 in reimbursables and authorize the necessary budget
a ents .
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: So moved.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Second.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded.
One question, and that's, if the balance of this amount's coming back
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to us, why are we being asked to approve it all? Because I
have -- I'm just wondering why we're having to do all three when
we're only taking care of Task 1.
MS. SCOTT: So we are authorizing the entire contract because
we want to have the same consultant who goes -- has continuityZN,
the entire project; otherwise, we would have to go out throug+
request for professional services each time and hope that w ucky
enough to have the same consultant each time, because will
need to be continuity throughout the project.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Absolutelv. AW40know the
answer before you ask t]
COMMISSIONER
COMMISSIONER
CHAIRMAN McE
COMMISSIONER
COMMISSIONER
CHAIRMAN McE
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McE
MS.
SCOTT: Thvnk you.
Item # 11 B
ae sound.
THE STATEPORT FOR COLLIER COUNTY LOCAL
GOVAUFILtIENT INFRASTRUCTURE SALES SURTAX
P'S, ACKNOWLEDGE THE PLANNED MOVE OF THE
D STIC ANIMAL SERVICES (DAS) FACILITY TO
CO TY SITE #305, AND AUTHORIZE COMPLETION OF
DESIGN FOR SHERIFF'S FORENSICS/EVIDENCE BUILDING
TO INCLUDE EXPANDING THE SIZE OF THE SHERIFF'S
FACILITY TO ACCOMMODATE A MOVE OF CCSO
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CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS DIVISION FROM 2373 EAST
HORSESHOE DRIVE TO THE GOBP CAMPUS - APPROVED
MR. ISACKSON: Commissioners, Item 11B is a
recommendation to accept the status report for Collier County to
government infrastructure sales tax projects, acknowledge the �+
planned move of Domestic Animal Services facility to Cou-
Site 305, and authorize completion of design for Sheriff
forensics/evidence building to include expanding the f the
Sheriffs facility to accommodate a move of the C ounty
Sheriffs Office criminal investigations divisi r 2 73 East
Horseshoe Drive to the Government Operation B siness Park
campus.
Mr. Ed Finn, your interim Facilit' gement director, will
present.
MR. FINN: Thank you, M . s son.
Good morning, Mr. Chai Congratulations.
Edward Finn.
CHAIRMAN McDA L: Everybody's congratulating me for
more work. What's upjvvit that?
MR. FINN• 'm sympathetic.
I'm you n eri Facilities Management Director and thank you
very muc
We're g to talk today about the Collier County local
gove 'nfrastructure surtax program. I'm going to tell you
w,kIN ope to achieve today, then provide a brief overview of the
SUN
Program and projects, then we'll discuss in a bit more detail the
Domestic Animal Service relocation approach as well as alternatives
for the Sheriffs forensic evidence building construction to be
constructed at the government operations business park.
Our objective today is to provide you with a status report, first
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of all, about the surtax program. That program totals $420 million in
local projects. The project overall is 490 million with the difference
being distributed to the municipalities in Collier County.
The second objective is to acknowledge the planned relocation
of the DAS facility to Collier County Site 305, which is adjacent
the sports complex and the government operations business p
And the last thing is to approve design for upsizing th riff
forensic evidence facility in order to relocate the CID o t ons that
are currently at Horseshoe Drive East. That buildin , kind of,
built in the late '80s and is subject to a lot of conc
maintenance -wise. Generally, the Sheriff ha t wn the use of
that building.
I'm going to give you a quick overvi oters approved the
additional penny sales tax for infrasru ding in
November 2018. Collections of t t' egan on January 1, 2019.
The tax is in place for seven years r p to $490 million, and at this
point we have approximately ears of collection history.
Exhibit A of Ordin -21, which governs the surtax,
specifies three primary ca ries, three primary categories of
projects: Transportatign, acilities and capital replacements, and
community prio ' ' s.
The tra rta n component totals 191 million; facilities and
capital rep ace ts, $79 million; kind of core HVAC roofing and
maintenan jects is 39 million; hurricane resiliency is 15 million;
EM is six million for three stations; and community
p 'e otal $90 million.
e first category is the transportation projects. They're listed
here on this summary sheet. And the largest project is the
Vanderbilt Beach Road extension. This is not the full project cost;
rather, this is the surtax component of that.
And if it suits the Chair, I'll deal with these on an exception
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basis, and if there's a question, we'll address those.
Very good. If there are no questions, I'll move on.
The surtax projects under Facilities Management are pretty
involved and complicated. There's eight completed projects that are
maintenance related, there are 22 projects in process, and five fu e
projects to be validated. Just -- I probably should describe t
validation process.
The statute and the local ordinance requires that th of ects
be validated by the Citizens Infrastructure Surtax Co ee. They
review these projects for compliance with the surf finance, and
they validate the projects before we actually to dgets for them.
There's a couple of groups of projects. o o them on here
we're going to discuss a little -- in a little re etail in a moment,
the forensics evidence building and;h acility relocation. The
other major project in this categor hase 1 of the Big
Corkscrew Island Regional Park. t is at approximately
85 percent construction and s o be moving along pretty well.
CHAIRMAN Mc D Very slowly, by the way.
MR. FINN: Yes, si . is a quality project.
This is a list of theme- what I'm broadly terming the maintenance
projects, the cor aintenance projects we're responsible for. I will
point out that la est project on here actually has two
componen first component is the chiller replacement at
$11 millio at's the chiller at this campus. The other component
of th ' eplace the chiller water lines, also on this campus, for $4
Very good.
rricane resiliency, this category is a little bit unique in that
there's a good chunk of money, about $8 million, that hasn't been
validated yet. At this point, staff is not proceeding with that. We're
waiting on some resolution on hurricane -- hurricane sheltering and
whether this would be used for something to that effect.
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EMS substations, there are three substations. This particular
category is a little further along, and the funding here is a little bit
narrower than some of the other areas. As a result, there's a bit of a
funding shortfall at this moment in this category that we'll be
exploring at the Citizens committee.
Community priorities, again, in the not -yet -validated cat
are the Career and Technical Training Center, the state -- a 's
important to say, the state veterans nursing home and th Orkforce
Housing Land Trust. Those are in various stages of rly -- early
program development and analysis. And as those d, those will
be brought before the Surtax Committee for f i he mental
health facility is further along. That is actuall i the process of
having design and construction underway no underway, but rather
design to commencing.
So, again, I'm just today, wh t down to it, our
*;
recommendations are to accept th ax program status report that
we just went through, some d* .on or acknowledgment of the
DAS location to the 305 ' approve design work to upsize the
Sheriffs facility to accom ate the CID building operations in their
entirety.
COMMISS ER TAYLOR: Commissioner LoCastro.
CHAIR cDANIEL: I don't have the board down here,
so --
COMU['NSIONER TAYLOR: Commissioner LoCastro wants
to sp
IRMAN McDANIEL: I see. I just -- I see them hitting
th ' hts, and you still have the pad. So I think Commissioner
Saunders was first, then Commissioner LoCastro. And it's okay. I
can watch till I move down there, Troy. It doesn't matter.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'm actually listed as No. 2,
so I think Commissioner LoCastro was first. I don't want to jump in
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front of you.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: No. Well, I'll just ask real
quick. You know, Mr. Finn, this may be premature because it might
be in your presentation. But after all is said and done, all this design
and construction happens, what tracts of land will the county the
have in excess that they will put up for sale? I mean, I've go
notes here. It says here, if the existing transportation facili sold.
Are there -- can you give us a short thing that if everyth' ppened
perfectly, what land would be in excess? And then a
follow-up question based on how you answer that.
MR. FINN: Very good.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: And I' of trying to set you
up. It's more of just I'm trying to educat ys if and the citizens on
how we sell land.
MR. FINN: I appreciate tha k you, sir.
There are three pieces of Ian h potentially could be declared
surplus at the end of this. I' i to talk about -- first about the
piece of land that most li oing to be declared surplus, and that
is the current operations c t r for the Collier County Water/Sewer
District. It's locat d at,Mercantile. The plan generally considers
that that's going e disposed of and sold at surplus.
The oth t o operties that are listed here include the
Horseshoe ri East, which is the location for the Sheriffs CID
buildin Itimate disposition of that is -- continues to be
subj itional considerations. There's no determination made
at 7V t.
e last building is the Growth Management building. There's
still some debt outstanding on that. The net value of it is -- as you
can see, is kind of -- is not particularly large at this point in time.
That determination hasn't been made either.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: So I guess what I would just
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stress, and it's more of just a comment, is the county actually doesn't
own land; taxpayers do. And one of the things I think that we've got
to make sure we do the best job possible is that we make the sale of
this land competitive, that we don't have three people come in under
the table with low bids, and then we take the highest of the low
Counties across the nation have been guilty of that. So I'LZ
sitting here citing a specific example. This is more of a ent,
you know, going forward. O
But if we have some surplus land, especially no n real
estate is at a premium, we shouldn't unload surplu We should
competitively sell it. You know, we need to in e usiness of
making sure the taxpayers get their money's w And even if we
bought this land for $10,000 50 years ago it ow has a fair market
value of $8 million, you know, we sko fter that because it's
real money.
And so I'd rather see land sit r ale and not be sold then sold to
the highest of the lowest bidd under -- and I'm sure you would
agree with me. And we had this conversation a little bit
when we were at my town 11 meeting at Port of the Islands.
But I just know tho there's surplus land that's coming up and,
you know, we j want to stress to the public -- and I would expect
that you're a tha sharpens your pencil, you know, multiple times.
You know let ake sure we're doing the best for the taxpayer and
that we're g the fair market value for the land, we're not settling
for s g because we want to unload, you know, the land. And
li , we've got a few things that are probably coming up on the
au block, so to speak. You know, it's real money, and so
it's -- you know, the taxpayers are the owners, not us.
MR. FINN: Yes, sir. I concur. Thank you. Very good.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We're not done get.
MR. FINN: I'm sorry, sir.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Saunders is next,
and then I have a comment on what Commissioner LoCastro just got
done with, so...
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: When this sales tax issue
came up, there were three of us on the Board, Commissioner Ta r,
Commissioner Solis, and myself, that voted to place this on t
ballot. Commissioner LoCastro was not on the Board at t e.
The reason I want to ask these questions is, undou 0, there
will be some negative comments concerning taxation why would
a Republican vote for this type of a tax to be place e ballot. So
I'm going to ask you a couple questions. Th s e t i o n is: On
this list, which of those projects are simply not e essary and in the
public interest? There's $420 million wo o projects. Some of
them have to be of no public need. �S ones of those on that
list are unnecessary?
MR. FINK: That's an inter question, Commissioner.
MR. KLATZKOW:
d found that all of these were in
the public interest in the %,�earing.
COMMISSIONER DERS: I understand. I'm asking a
question.
MR. KLA &OR
W: I don't think he knows the answer.
COMM SAUNDERS: I know what his answer's
going to b o rse. I'm asking the question. I'll continue with
asking the ion.
CKSON: Let me -- Ed, let me take that question. If
y Nmind, Commissioner.
MMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Sure.
'MR. ISACKSON: The $420 million in projects were obviously
verified. Had we not issued 420- -- had we not proceeded with the
one -penny sales tax, then we would have been in a situation where
the Board would have been forced to prioritize specifically, because
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we would have now had to go out for debt on some of these projects.
So the County Attorney's right, we identified what we thought
was a list of essential not only municipal projects but also community
projects. Had we not done that, then we would have been back to
the Board and said, okay, now we're going to whittle this down a
little bit because, obviously, we don't have the money comin i m
the penny sales tax. We're going to have to begin to priori Sol
don't know if that answers your question, sir. O
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: It does. Itits
e answer
is -- to summarize your answer, I think all of these are
necessary; we've made that determination.
ov Next question, if we did not -- what perce to e of this sales tax
is paid by visitors and part-time nonperm nt residents of the
county? I've heard a couple numbers i as 35 percent.
MR. FINN: I'm going to ap for not having that specific.
I believe it is between 20 and 35 nt, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANI lose to that.
COMMISSIONER RS: All right. And if we did the
alternative funding, whic uld have been bonding, what would
have been the addi ioncost to the taxpayers for the projects,
approximately?
MR. IS S Yeah. I think you probably
would -- d en g on how long you went in terms of the debt
service, o ably would have been in the 30, $35 million range,
gues ' at's a -- that's what I would call grenade math without
hivIN numbers. But I'll bet you I'm pretty close.
MMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So approximately
10 percent --
MR.ISACKSON: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- increase --
MR. ISACKSON: Over time, over time, yeah.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I ask those questions
because, as I said, the three of us on this board that are going to be
vilified for voting to put this on the ballot, and there's nothing on this
project -- on this list that doesn't improve the quality of life of the
residents of this county, and that's why I, as a Republican, vote
put this on the ballot, and I'm sure that's the same thing for M . s,
and I'm sure it's the same thing for Penny Taylor.
As a matter of fact, Commissioner Taylor, I'll askrreyour
is
question. How much of this money will go to the Cples for
very important public projects in the City of Napl -- the
heart of your district?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Nine -- i t 0 m
MR. FINN: Well, the delta betwee 1 t e municipalities is
70 million. I would say roughly half 4vo to the City of Naples,
roughly half would go to the City a o Island.
COMMISSIONER SAUND So residents in your district
are going to certainly benefit, 'ally in the City of Naples --
COMMISSIONER Yes.
COMMISSIONER DERS : -- from this for projects that
the City Council will idyanti y as critically important for the residents
of that. So I w the public to understand that.
And the a of r question -- and this is not any kind of a
criticism. I ju want -- this is part of the education process,
Commissio oCastro. In terms of a piece of property owned by
the c at is determined to be not needed by the county, to be
p at can be sold, I'll ask the County Attorney what the
pr is. And I think it's important, because the public has to
know that it is a very public process, and it is a competitive bidding
process.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I'm aware.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: It's not -- it's not some folks
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picking a bid that's in, you know, the best of the lowest bids.
So, Mr. Klatzkow, just real quickly.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yeah.
MR. KLATZKOW: Yes, sir. On a particular piece of
property, the Board will direct staff to put it out for bid and will ve
commercial agents out there. And it's like nobody -- it's no t
from anybody else selling a piece of property. You go out try
to get your highest value for it by putting it on the mark t�
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Isn't there a that
requires that?
MR. KLATZKOW: Yeah, you're requi t o at. We also
have a list of surplus --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I ' t wanted the public to
understand there's no situation where s bers meet with
somebody who wants to buy a pie operty and then they --
COMMISSIONER LoCAST Oh, absolutely.
COMMISSIONER
letting the public know t
COMMISSIONER
comment would j
months, then wed
educating the,4u,�
are in business:
So it's just a question of
Can I make a comment? My
a t behaving had 100 town hall meetings in 12
ed to do a better job at putting out information and
licbecause I just get large numbers of people who
Some of them their business is real estate who don't
believe the ty, even though they might be following statutes and
eve - so maybe it's a bit of misinformation -- but they don't
t we get our money's worth. They see things publicized and
th s y, wow, the fair market value for that property, I don't know
where you got your estimate or who appraised it. And so I'm just
giving you back, you know, feedback that I hear.
MR. KLATZKOW: But I will tell you --
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: So I understand the process.
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MR. KLATZKOW: The reason for that is we are selling the
property with the zoning as -is, okay. What will happen is a
developer will buy that property and up -zone it, and the property's
worth much more. So in a developer's mind, these properties are
worth higher than us, because we cannot go out ourselves up-zonSa
property, and then put it on the market. So if there's a differ
there, that's where it's coming from.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yeah. So we rak"bneed to
do the best job to make sure the public, you know,
have a process and that --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL:
before I
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS:
more question in reference to the sales
want to focus on the mental heal
that's a -- it's a big -ticket item.
This facility is one that h�
committee, by the courts, Ac
that correct?
MR. FINN:
COMMIS
generally
with men
that we do
a comment
I do have one
t to take a look -- I
i" just a minute because
*5 million.
i recommended by our citizen
sheriffs department; is that-- is
es,,#ir. "
IER SAUNDERS: And this is something that is
00 law enforcement as well as the courts to deal
0 problems of people that are picked up by the
ent; is that accurate?
Yes, sir. There's a large group. There has been
sous amount of support in the community for that particular
and that is, in fact, why that is a little further along than many
of th'e other community -interest projects.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Now, that project, if it had
not been for Commissioner Solis, would not be on this list. And so
the question is -- because he brought that issue up. The question is,
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if we did not have a sales tax, a one -cent sales tax with this project on
the list, would we even be talking about a mental health facility and,
if so, how would we fund something like that?
MR. FINN: In my view, it would be highly unlikely that we
would be looking at this project.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay. Thank youi�e
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And the result wouldat
folks that the Sheriff picks up for whatever reason woul Q up in
the jail, not in an institution, a mental health facility they could
be helped. I mean, that's -- we as a county are at ting edge
nationally of what other areas in this country in terms of
dealing with repeat offenders that perhaps don r quire jail time.
It's -- it's very exciting, and we've been dqiAg t is for about six or
seven years under the leadership of �h bosk.
MR. FINN: Yes, ma'am.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: just one point, Commissioner
LoCastro. There is -- there's , very stringent process that we
go through. There is a eption. I took a lot of heat last year
on the 47 acres and the re entations that were made. We put the
property up for sal , wWdvertised the property, we put a sign on the
property, we rec ed three bids, and then the Board deliberated on
those three b' s or e highest and best price, terms, and conditions
that met t cri ium that we had going on.
The r entation -- or the thought process is -- and I talked to
the ttorney about this shortly after I became a
c 's * ner. I was like, why don't we rezone it ourselves? And
hi ple answer was, first off, it's illegal for us to do that, and
second of all, if we could do that, we could eliminate impact fees at
large because we would be able to do with our properties and receive
the highest and best use.
You're absolutely correct that they are -- the property is owned
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by the taxpayers, but we're regulated by law as to what we can and
can't do. We're not allowed to expend taxpayer money, pay $10,000
for a piece of property 50 years ago and then rezone it for a greater
price and do that. It makes good business sense, but it's not legal.
And it's important --
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: If we have three bids 1
come in and we think they're all underbid, we have the abil'
reject all of them and just continue to hold the property r�ct?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We did that last -- ears ago
on the Bayshore piece, that 17 acres that we still o rever. We
did that when we didn't get the satisfactory of e had, and we
sent them back again. You're absolutely corr t. e have the right
to not accept and receive or accept an off hat, in fact, comes in.
e COMMISSIONER LoCASTRQ: And I merely brought
it up just for an educational piece, 'ust for me just because I
hear citizens that, you know, the marize sort of what we do and
what we don't do, and someti is a lot of misinformation. So if
we have several pieces t Zoming up here in the near future, I
just think that it behooves to maybe even more aggressively
explain, you know theprocess to citizens, even if we just do it from
this forum here n we vote on it, for sure.
CHAIR cDANIEL: Well, I appreciate you bringing it
UP --
COM IONER LoCASTRO: Absolutely.
AN McDANIEL: -- because it is a misnomer and a
t t
p)Vrteocess that we're not doing right, but we are -- we are
pr ted from rezoning property that the government already owns.
Now two quick questions, then we're going to take a break for
Terri, unless you folks want to continue on.
Are you lit up? All right. Go ahead, Commissioner Solis.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I just wanted to reiterate what
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Commissioner Saunders was saying. All of these projects were
desperately needed. The only way to do any of these projects was to
pay for them with taxpayer money. One way or the other, it's
taxpayer money.
We heard from our County Manager that if we had gone ou
with bond financing or other debt financing mechanisms to �+
accomplish this list of infrastructure projects, we would haid
more. And for me, a conservative approach is to pay 1 �f r
something rather than more for something.
And to have about 30, 35 percent of the cost e projects
paid by visitors to Collier County and not nec a t e residents
makes absolutely great sense to me. And I thi t was, in fact, the
conservative thing to do to pay less rather an more. And my
understanding was, is that, at least NYh oked at it, that the cost
of the bond financing long term, I , was even higher than
35 million. I thought it approach e, 100 or something.
But, anyway, neither her here. And Mark would know
better than I. But -- so ' 's important that the public
understand that as we're 1 ing at these and approving again -- not
approving the proj cts �ut accepting the report, that this was the best
way to accompl' what was a backlog of capital improvements and
projects that e e s ely needed by Collier County, and we are, in
fact, goin top less taxpayer money to accomplish this than we
would hav rwise.
CKSON: If I can, maybe before we go to break,
*, Commissioners. Oh, I'm sorry.
AIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Taylor has a
IF
comment.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No, just briefly, and also for the
public and, Commissioner LoCastro, so that you understand. This
was, in so many ways, a grass -roots effort. This came -- the concept
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of the sales tax came from the Chamber of Commerce. They heard
from the businesses of this community, they heard the needs of this
community, and they came to us. And with their cooperation and
collaboration, we developed that list.
So this was done in the Sunshine. This was done with the t
thing that could ever happen, taking it to the people to ask the
you support this, or do you not, and they weighed in.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yep. 0
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So it was, I thi ancially a
very wise decision of the public, and I think Colli my will
continue to reap the benefits of their decision.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I'll jus have no
questions on the list of construction prof e y questions were on
the land that's going to be in surplus�a g sure that we get fair
market value and that if we get th that don't meet it, that the
public knows that we can reject th nd should in the best interest
of the taxpayer, for sure.
As far as the surplu �ybney being used for all of these lists, I
echo what Commissioner nders says: We need to have a priority
list, should there b a lisle iccup somewhere. I mean, all these are
great projects. e are, you know, higher up on the list than
others, but n est n, they've all been -- they all make a huge
positive i ac . But the land that's left over, we want to make sure
we recoup oney to the maximum ability and following every
step t , was my point, so...
IRMAN McDANIEL: On that note --
MMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yep.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: -- just to editorialize, I was not in
support of the sales tax. I lobbied against it. I didn't vote for it. I
certainly -- and I think Commissioner Solis typified it, when you
have this much of a backlog, this was the way to actually handle it.
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I think we, as a board -- it is incumbent upon us as a board to not
allow the circumstances to prevail to allow that backlog to end up the
way that it did. We have a GMP. We have a five-year CIE. We
have priorities of this community for the support -- infrastructure for
the residents that are, in fact, here, let alone those that are comin
and that backlog precipitated the necessity of this in order to i e(�x
that necessary infrastructure, several of those projects.
The Big Corkscrew Regional Park, it's 20-years-pl ind
when our GMP triggered its necessity to be construct Vanderbilt
Beach -- you talk about saving money? Vanderb' ch
construction, that extension was slated and tri r our GMP in
2006. The cost then would have been 50 perc t of what it is, in
fact, now. And there is 50-plus million, mmissioner Solis, in
additional expense that the taxpayers e --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS:
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: - cause decision makers at the
time made decisions based up circumstances that were, in fact,
going on, and so we we - e -- you were put -- we were put in
a position of taking care o ese backlogs in that manner.
COMMISSIONEI�*TAYLOR: But the -- and it's a capital "the"
decision, or the or the environment that was going on at the time
was called th ea ecession. When the Great Recession came in
2008, they et f 320 people from this government.
CHA N McDANIEL: We all lived through the Great
Rece ' e all saw what, in fact -- and, again, I'm not debating it
w^70rthe circumstances. We're certainly all entitled to our
op s. But to answer Commissioner Saunders' statement at the
beginning of this, all of these are essential to the residents of Collier
County Government or properties that are essential to our
community, the betterment of our community, and shouldn't have
been deferred.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Well -- and, again, I think I
maybe have misunderstood you and, if I did, forgive me. But I
heard that it was the leadership within this government that caused
this backlog, and I don't think it was.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It was circumstantial and deci ' ns
that were made. �+
So to that end, County Manager.
MR. ISACKSON: Do we need a motion on this, ®o we
already have one?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Countv Manaa a comment. I
think.
MR. ISACKSON: I think we have two s e ers. And I don't
know, Terri, if you can hold on for anothT8 0 inutes or if you want
to do that, but I just want to reiterates t we're asking for is
essentially to proceed with what 'ng with the government
operations business park, specifi oving ahead with our Sheriff
facility relocation, moving ah 'th our design work for the
Department of Animal S acility.
Ed, did I leave anyth out?
MR. FINN: No, �Jw. Acknowledge the planned move, and we
are planning on ' e 305 Site for DAS, and the upsizing the Sheriffs
facility to acc o to the full move from the Horseshoe Drive CID
building. We d the approval of the Board principally with the
Sheriff s th ecause that is a change in the contract for the design.
The simply want the Board to acknowledge that that's what
w ' g because that has, in fact, been the plan for the last two
�,V
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: If there's not a motion on the
floor, I'll make that motion.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We have two public speakers. Do
you want to hear them before we make the motion, or are we going to
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change the --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Sure.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chair, your first speaker is Joe
Trachtenberg, and he will be followed by Michael Dalby.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I don't think either one o
them will try to talk us out of it, so... �+
MR. TRACHTENBERG: Good morning, Commissics.
First, let me thank you, Chairman McDaniel, for re ing the
public of our hearing on January 25th involving St. w's House
where we're seeking approval to add 46 more bed ight say that
yesterday our waiting list was 90. So there's s age of a
problem with the homeless in Collier County a d n aples.
So I'm Joe Trachtenberg. Yesterda e ffordable Housing
Advisory Committee elected me its ne an, and it's my honor
to appear before you today on AH iness.
Among the reasons provide I e surtax ordinance was to
acquire land and support cons n for workplace housing. And
as we saw in that last sli mount designated for workplace
housing included in the co unity priority section was $20 million.
In 2019, this comVssion revived the Housing Trust Fund.
Among other th' , it was tasked with determining eligibility to
accept invitat' fo proposals. It was also tasked to develop rules
on how to ev funds and, in fact, concluded it would be best to
utilize the same eligibility criteria as is now used for SHIP
fund
iggest stumbling block then and now for the fund is
de ining from where the money will come to support its essential
efforts. Funding is necessary in order for the Housing Trust Fund to
accomplish anything as it relates to encouraging more affordable
housing in Collier County.
So on your agenda today is approval of some of those funds.
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And we certainly concur with a recommendation that you proceed to
do that. We think what's missing is a mention of our affordable
housing funds. I'm requesting on behalf of AHAC that the Housing
Trust Fund be designated the venue to which the $20 million of
surtax funds dedicated to workforce housing be distributed. Th1
money needs to be put to use, and right now that designation t
been made, and the recommendation hasn't been put before
Moreover, I'm asking that as you've done in other s
involving surtax money already collected, that you a •ze partial
payments to the Housing Trust Fund so that we co tually start
spending some of this money and doing some
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You and I a e ting next week,
correct?
MR. TRACHTENBERG: We. a
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: ilk about this then. Your
time's up. You got three miehank
MR.TRACHTENBERay.
CHAIRMAN McD you, sir.
MR. MILLER: Yo nal speaker on this item is Michael
Dalby. *#*
MR. DAL Good morning, Commissioners. I'm Michael
Dalby with t 4treabft Naples Chamber.
Than o r continuing forward on these critical infrastructure
projects. 'ously, we've been your partner in this through the
proc od to see things moving forward.
e just some things to think of as we continue to move
fo d on these. One, the other day we got a great tour of the Big
Corkscrew Island regional park coming along. We would
encourage -- we've encouraged this before -- that you put up some
signs to publicly acknowledge that any of these projects that are
under construction or have been built, that they are being paid for by
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the citizens in the penny sales tax. I mean, that helps people to know
that that's their money at work and how this is all coming to be to
help us with the infrastructure needs.
We'd also -- it was great to see on the community priority
projects the mental and behavior health receiving center. That's
critical project, as Commissioner Taylor mentioned, and we a
to see that moving forward. Housing is another issue. W orce
housing is a major issue in our community, and I would 1 reiterate
the statement that was previously made that it's time ve that
forward by putting those monies to work. We ha hies. We
can start that trust fund and begin that work n a se now is
when those housing needs are the most preval t.
I also want to talk a little bit about o or force training center.
We have -- we had an opportunity, Ver s, get some building
previously. We weren't able to A happen, but I think what it
did was it enabled all of us to reali e ere's a critical need in our
community for workforce trai ace, expanded space. We have
great facilities at I -tech, great facilities at Lorenzo Walker,
but they're completely ma out. And having more facility, we
have a need to move wl t is currently the Center for Manufacturing
Excellence to so new space. They've only got about a year and a
half left in th s ace ey're in.
So m vin ese things forward because we have those taxpayer
funds and t sales tax funds that come from our visitors as well to
enab e able to make that happen, we just want to encourage
t . 'Zre going to keep supporting these efforts. We will keep
be our partner in this effort, but we just want to always push on
those community priorities, that they continue to be addressed.
So thank you very much. Any questions?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you.
MR. DALBY: Thank you.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I'll take your motion now,
Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So moved.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Second.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconde at
we accept the report, acknowledge the DAS relocation, and t r
Sheriffs expansion of the facilities at the 305. Any other
discussion? 0
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor, sa 10MA;D
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDE4S:
COMMISSIONER TAYLO
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: osed, same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McD So moved.
With that, I'm going ove to a court reporter's break because
Terri's panting. We'll �e back at 11:00.
(A brief re was had from 10:44 a.m. to 11:00 a.m.)
MR. IS S Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, you have a
live mic.
Mr. C an, let me -- before we -- I mentioned the term
if I went down and grabbed my calculator. I was
tQ1N, Commissioner Solis at the break. If we had done the full
42 ssuming various interest rates, you'd be close to that $100,000
num er. I had in my mind, though, if we took out the community
priorities, you'd be down to, like, let's say 300 million, so that's where
I came up with my number, which was pretty close. But, anyway, I
just want to put that on the record.
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: So we wouldn't do the community
priorities.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: What is the debt service?
MR. ISACKSON: Well, if you did a full 420-, let's say over 25
or 30 years, you'd be a little over $100 million probably, depen 1
on the interest rate. But if you had whacked out the commu t�+
priorities like I had in my mind when I was talking -- addre
Commissioner Saunders' question, you'd be closer to m Qber.
Anyway, I'm sorry, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And just as -- a rgot to ask
Ed because I got so happy about moving on t v ow far
along are we? I think it was in the executive m ry, but we're
really ahead of schedule with our receipts relationship to the term,
if I'm not mistaken.
MR. ISACKSON: Yeah. L if I can, I'll just share with
you that we've collected to date on side about 242 million.
Interest on that at about 1.9 m' So -- and if you factor in the
city's contributions, we'r r collections are at about 267,
almost 268 million of the million that was authorized.
CHAIRMAN McEL: Okay. So plus/minus 50 percent?
MR. ISAC ON: So you're probably through 2023, end of
'23, early '24 ' e of our collections and meeting that deadline.
CO I NER TAYLOR: And, again, it sunsets.
CHA N McDANIEL: Right, at the amount or the term.
SSIONER TAYLOR: It sunsets, it's done, unless this
b des to re -up it, and then that's a public meeting. But it
is - unsets. There's no more tax after we reach the goal.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Does the re -upping of it
require a referendum?
MR. ISACKSON: Yeah, it does.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I think it does. So I don't
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want the public to think that we can simply vote.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'm sorry.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: That's all.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: We'd have to go to referen
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay.
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Item # 11 C O
STAFF'S UPDATE ON COLLIER COUNTY BO MP PARK
USE AND COMMERCIAL VESSEL LAUN IT SALES —
STAFF AUTHORIZED TO ISSUE 38 NEW 4 TS, LIMITING
THE ISSUANCE OF PERMITS TO 180 etikIl ROVED; STAFF TO
INVESTIGATE VALET PARKINS EVALUATE
SIGNAGE, A POSSIBLE INCR FINES FOR EXPIRED
PERMITS AND TRANSFER OF ITS — CONSENSUS
MR. ISACKSON: ssioner, Item 7 -- 11 C, excuse me, is
a recommendation to acceq taff s update on the Collier County boat
ramp, park use, an commercial launch sales.
Melissa He , your regional manager, Parks and Recreation
Division, wiljjdlriselY
MS. E : Good morning, Commissioners. For the
record, Me ' ennig, Parks and Recreation regional manager.
equested when we brought this item before you in
N , we're coming back with an update on how it's going out at
thyt parks.
So I'll do an overview of how it's going with the dockmasters; an
update on the variable message board we're going to put on Collier
Boulevard; a boat park visitation update for the month of December,
commercial launch permits issued, and just an update there; and then
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also go over how we're moving along with any developments
improving the Caxambas and Goodland parking.
First, we have positioned dockmasters at both Goodland and
Caxambas Park, and we've had overwhelmingly positive reviews.
Right now we have them during the busiest times of the week,
Friday -- or Thursday through Monday, and we are still activ
looking for an additional dockmaster so that we can haves ne
there every day of the week. O
They're improving the parking compliance and taffic flow,
they're enhancing the visitor education, and they'r oving the use
by both the recreational and commercial activ
At Goodland, one thing that's happened in h t we have better
oversight of the single car parking, as yo duce -- people used to
park overflow into the trailer spaces ge haven't had any
issues with trailers not finding par t now as these single cars
can't find parking in the park, the e earching for parking outside
of -- in the village and differe f,
es. So it's like a balloon when
you squeeze it and they We are in the process of
permitting the variable m ge board for Collier Boulevard with the
state.
So here's -- it was -- my apologies -- annual, annual
visitation. I sh you that the visitation did increase in ' 19 and
'20, and th n id get the numbers, the total numbers, and it just
continues t in 2021, and I show you all the boat parks and
parti e Caxambas and Goodland.
s of right now, I did update from the executive summary
th s as of January 4th. As of yesterday, we've sold a total of 115
of the commercial permits. The cap was 180 that were sold last
year. And one of the directions you had given was to allow marine
service industry and sale industry people only -- have one permit for
as many trailers as they like. That wasn't a feasible option this year
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because of the way we identify. We had to give them a permit -- a
sticker for their truck so we could identify it. That's why it's broken
out on the chart. So 14 of those permits issued were to marine
service and sales; 101 for ecotourism.
And you can see from this chart and the table the majority o he
permits were issued to this point to Caxambas Park, 40 perce tb
those permits. Goodland is next, and then all parks. Now nd
that's another thing on the graph. Historically, when p Owere
issued permits, we didn't even ask where they were o launch,
so they were able to use any park. This year we okay, what
park are you going to use? And we didn't It t st to one
park. So that's why we have some that say, w 1, w 're going to use
Caxambas/Paddlecraft, Caxambas/Goodl wanted to capture
that in the table. In the future, if w� estrict it, permits per
park, that would be an option.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: ically, we let them do the
presentation and then you ask you want to -- do you mind if we
do questions while you'r -
MS. HENNIG: Oh, Go ahead.
CHAIRMAN McI'►A IEL: Go ahead, Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISS ER TAYLOR: Just something you said about
you asked th h park they're going to use. So they are
restricted fLom 'ng other parks, or this is only for your
informatio sis?
IG: Correct. At this point it's for informational
bX19%1
MMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay.
MS. HENNIG: We don't have different stickers for different
parks or anyway to --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I think once they get a sticker, they
can go whenever they need to.
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MS. HENNIG: Yeah, yeah.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. I wanted to --
MS. HENNIG: But in general -- and that's the thing, we go on
what they put in their application at this point.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. Thank you.
MS. HENNIG: So the next couple slides, if you want
keep going into them, I broke down by each park what kin uses
the permits were issued for. So, overall, the largest nu Qof
permits issued were for boat tours, which would inch iling
vessels, eco tours, shelling trips, dolphin cruises, Ph
. d of thing,
and then kayak and paddleboard rentals and j krter fishing,
marine sale and service, and you can see.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: BeforeAu go away,
Commissioner LoCastro's got a que§ti
COMMISSIONER LoCAST elissa, just real quick, do
you think the 115 that have been t andfathered ones that have
been re -upped for 2022, do yo k the number is less than 181
because of the graduated cture? Did we have anybody come
in and say, wow, when I c d get -- you know, spend a 100 and
something dollars, and jkl take eight, and now that we know that
it's -- you know last meeting we passed a graduated fee structure.
Have we had e 1 ay, you know, I had eight in the past but now
that Iiy
'ing to cost a lot more, just give me three or I only
used we think that that helped at all?
IG: Honestly, I don't believe so. I think everyone
MMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Okay. So you think the
num er, then, is lower for other reasons; companies that have moved
on or --
MS. HENNIG: Right. Historically, people have had the entire
year to come in and get a permit, so we didn't put a deadline on it.
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We encouraged them to come in by this date, and we are in touch
with them, and we are going to encourage them to get back to us
before the next update we come to.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: And I just wanted to add for
the Board's information, I'm intimately involved in this because Z!9*9"
two marinas that are in the spotlight are in District 1, you knZI:
Caxambas and Goodland. But gathering the data on wher oats
are really operating -- this is part of our accelerated pro Oto just
gather much more information than we had in the pa
I mean, I don't even know if a couple of year f we would
have just said out of the blue, how many per * e sold, you
know, in the last few months? Somebody wo d ave to go check
that. Now we really want to have stuff a e ready. And in the
future it is possible, using this data, JfVINMed to do something
different, more aggressive, more, friendly, customer friendly
with specific passes for specific m i s, at least we have the data, or
the data might prove that's relqo
a aste of time or whatnot.
But, obviously, he t these two marinas, so the data is
what we sort of thought, b
And keep usk
teyi on it, too, Melissa. You know, there again,
over time, youcome tothis podium fairly frequently so that if
we need to e changes or we just need to be educated on the
numbers a d not, because this is really good information.
,Z�*
Thank vou.
AN McDANIEL: Commissioner Saunders.
readand
SIONER SAUNDERS: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
A couple questions that I can wait until the end, or I can
go a roceed now.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I called you. Let's go.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: All right. So we all
received a letter from Laura Gelman concerning the fact that there
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was some entities that were trying to put together a business plan and
then kind of got caught up in this moratorium on the passes, and I'm
kind of concerned about that.
And I guess the question is -- there's a couple questions mixed
into this. Can we issue some additional permits for folks that le
say they establish that they were actually working to set up th se
business prior to the date that we imposed the moratorium? would
be easy for someone to do that. O
So, for example -- and I'll use Laura Gelman as ample, her
letter. She mentions someone who started purchaAq quipment
and started putting together a business plan a h and up not
being able to get a permit because of the mora ri m. Well, if we
have someone who can show evidence th hey started that process
prior to our moratorium, can we go �a - this is a question for
the Board as well. Can we go ba a ay, okay, to be fair, no one
knew this was coming. We're of o make an exception for those.
That's one question that I wou the Board and our staff.
And then the secon n is -- and we'll deal with it, I think,
in some detail, is differen ys to deal with the parking problems
there. And I'll just kind} o plant the seed. Is it possible to
even -- for the n ommercial people that are just coming there to
park, is it pos e t set up a service where -- a valet service type of
thing so c s c e stacked? And so I pose that as a question, but I
want to et e first question from the Board about the other
pe
MISSIONER LoCASTRO: If I could make a comment.
I s with Laura personally. Some things in her email were not
quite factual, and she -- once we -- we had a really good
conversation, but I think in the end -- I mean, I've cheated a little bit
because I've been working so closely with this issue.
But in the end, you're going to hear a recommendation, because
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it's always been our focus to be able to give permits to the people that
either didn't operate in 2021 and weren't grandfathered or these
special new business circumstances or whatnot, and because the
number is 115 and it's far from that 181, you know, and sort of an
artificial ceiling. We didn't set that as -- you know, we had som
latitude there. But I think you're going to find in this present t
people like Laura -- and I think it was actually her son, you w,
starting the business, but I've had a few other people. I � you're
going to be pleasantly -- very pleasantly surprised wi
recommendations they're about to bring to the Bo ow we're
going to be able to address those folks who st' o ' h ve the
permits.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: is perfect. And as
you're making your presentation -- an sitting here -- give a
little thought to how we can deal ' 1' parking in a more efficient
way. Some entrepreneur may wa t set up a valet parking facility
there and valet park vehicles ck them. That would increase
parking significantly. st trying to get some thoughts going
here.
COMMISSIONEF..#LoCASTRO: One thing that I will
add -- and there' few business owners in the audience here. We've
had some tak i up themselves to encourage their customers to
Uber, and o -- there's a few emails we might have got saying
there's no hat exists on Marco. Well, I've taken Uber probably
a do s in the last few months for different reasons and
wkAftabut Uber does exist.
t there's some business owners that have also taken it upon
themselves to get a van and pick up if they have a customer that's on
Marco already at a hotel or somewhere close by. So they're already
helping us with that, but any of -- you know, that's a great suggestion
as well, anything we can do to maximize that parking lot, because we
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don't want our businesses to suffer because we have a parking
problem. And we've said that from day one, so...
But thanks to the businesses back there. I'm not sure if you
guys that are here have done some of that, but a few have, so thank
you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Continue on, Ms. Hennig.
W\*,
MS. HENNIG: So here -- in the next couple slides, I �e
down what types of businesses are operating at each of rks, and
at Caxambas you can see the majority are boat tours ' t ski
companies, or permits.
At Goodland it's primarily boat tours an a shing; paddle
craft, 100 percent nonmotorized. Bayview, w v 33 percent
charter fishing, 33 boat tours. And as an ample, I'd like to point at
Bayview. We know that there's more o charter fishing
companies working out of Bayvie
So to the point made, we hay h a lot of people contact us and
say, you know, I had one in ' 1 '20, didn't get one because of the
COVID or some other re didn't even know I needed a
permit. So we do have a of those people that contacted us.
Again, Cocohatchee, wive only issued four, and Port of the Islands
and 951 park.
The fina s *de ave in this presentation, and then I'll open the
slides that oin wards the number of people that have contacted us
and permit aining. We have -- we did have a meeting with the
City o Island regarding the parking issues at Caxambas Park
a '1 ercommendation made by the city staff was to pursue a
re Right now the park is public use, but in the Comprehensive
Plan it could be a community facility. So they recommend pursuing
a rezone to community facility, and then under community facility a
conditional use of marina. So that is the route we're going to pursue
that would allow for the maximum number of commercial entities to
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operate there, and the way we would decide on how many could
operate would be you look at the parking, and then based on the
parking, that's how many commercial entities can operate.
At Goodland we are seeking a proposal, a feasibility study, to
just see, can we get any more parking there before we move on t
full conditional use. The other question is: Right now the 44,
conditional use requires 75 trailer spaces and a maximum ohink,
21 single car spaces. So is that a ratio that you would 1' t
change?
So that's my update to date on the issued pe
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Before you a , are you
suggesting we hire a consultant to do a feasibi ' tudy?
MS. HENNIG: Yes, because of the nd tional-use
requirements and just the site plan.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: stand over on Caxambas
Pass; that's a --
MS. HENNIG: An eng* o look at the site plan to see if it
could be modified.
CHAIRMAN McDA L: Well, it says a feasibility study for
actual -- for addin acts l parking, and I don't -- I don't know -- we
all know there's eed for parking. We don't have to hire somebody
to tell us that,e st need somebody to tell us where we're going
to puOthe
IG: Right. What I meant was, is it even feasible
to -- rrent footprint of the park to get more based on the
c
19HAIRMAN McDANIEL: Forgive me. I misread your
caption.
MS. HENNIG: So now here is a breakdown of -- although we
didn't collect the data last year, we were pretty confident with what
the different businesses were doing in the parks.
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So as of right now we have 65 remaining, 38 different
companies from 2021. Thirty of those permits would be for marine
sales and services, 15 charter fishing, 13 for boat tours, six for kayak
and paddleboard, and one for j et ski. I do not have a breakdown of
where we think they might have been operating. There were a
couple that could be Caxambas/Goodland. �+
I have one more slide. And here's a breakdown of -- ad 34
companies contact us that are interested and that we col d a list.
Like I said, they didn't have them. There were six -- 'ght that are
new companies. Eight that had them previously i nd '20 but
not '21, and then 16 that they just didn't have the past, and
two that are current 2022 permit holders that a s e ing additional
permits. And here's the breakdown. A 'or ty are charter
fishermen that are seeking these perini .
And that's the end of my sect' e presentation. I'm going
to turn it over to Barry Williams.
MR. WILLIAMS: Goo ing, Commissioners. Barry
Williams, Parks and Rec i irector.
And I just wanted to licly thank Melissa and the work she's
done over the last six npnths in trying to get a handle on this. And,
again, the leade and direction we've gotten from the Board on
this issue, we re 'ate it very greatly.
It's a ong nding issue that we think we're working towards
getting un ntrol. You know, and as Commissioner Saunders
men ' ou know, so what we took from the direction earlier
w now, putting a moratorium, 180 permits. So we had that
nu in our heads. We know that the permits expire
December 31 st. People would be renewing for the next year. So
we've got 115 in the book, and so we've got a capacity there.
There's still the question, you know, you're hearing stories of
people that didn't realize they needed a permit. We know that there
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are some folks out there that are operating without a permit. But the
question of opening this up again, we had a 180 moratorium, 115
given, to try to let those remaining permits -- again, if we looked at
that 180, you know, as kind of the top number, what we would be
prepared to do is to open this up for a period of time, say 30 days,
encourage people to come in to get the permit, us reevaluate
statistics of what we've got. We could come back to you i rch,
give you a report on that. O
There are some things that we're seeing, though ' Terms of
trends. Caxambas is a concern, and Melissa talke t us working
with the City of Marco. We do think there's e portunities
there as that community center's built. We'll m ve the modular
that's there now where the Coast Guard ArSiliary is. That will give
us some more parking.
There's still a question, thou ambas is such a small
footprint, you know, our recomme ion to you would be opening
up, you know, to that 180, loo t not allowing any more permits
at Caxambas, and that co little bit of a controversy, but you
just don't have enough roo here now to deal with it.
And so we think we've got the bulk of the people that have been
operating at Ca bas. And so limiting it until we can get through
this work wit t e y of Marco would make sense to us if we could
expand pa in d then reevaluate down the road.
So the r thing that we would recommend to you is, you
kno ad been some discussion about limiting the folks that
g s just to Collier County residents, and we'd like to offer
th a thought. There may be some legal considerations that we
have to look at in terms of whether that can occur. But, again, trying
to limit it.
And just to summarize this, looking at the 180, we've issued
115, so looking at expanding, allowing those additional, give a
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30-day window to get these permits in, limiting it to Collier County
residents only in terms of their ability to get a commercial permit,
and ceasing permit issuance at Caxambas.
So that's kind of the summary of what we'd like to suggest to
you. And I know you have some speakers that perhaps will also
have some thoughts on the matter. But, again, with that I'll s d
if you have any questions, certainly, I'll try to answer them.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Taylo O
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I would suppo orting our
Collier County businesses. I think over the pand he East Coast
found us. And I think that we need to limit t e it to Collier
County businesses.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Is that AL
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR:�
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCAST Barry, if we -- if we keep it
to Collier County residents o you have an idea of how many
businesses that would ex en? Because I know it's a tiny
number, so it's not like, y ow -- but one is still, you know, a
significant person ho',Q*going to be boxed out. But do you have an
idea of what tha ould -- how it would affect things?
MR. WI A : You know, Melissa did some research on
our permit fro ast year. I want to say there was, perhaps, five or
six from o county. It will be a small percentage of your overall.
Sol e that --
MISSIONER LoCASTRO: Some of these people
en d permits for quite a while, correct? So this is going to be a
big muscle movement for them, but I don't disagree that we're trying
to get control over the situation. We have to do something. And,
you know, Collier County residents only or at least having the
priority. I was just curious of the number. So you answered that.
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Second of all, if they can get a permit right now and go
anywhere like we were saying, right, and we're just gathering what
marinas they use, you know, just for our own edification, then how
would we be -- in the next 30 days offer, say, 30 more permits but
say nobody to Caxambas? How would we be able to enforce th
How would we be able -- just on a hand shake and hope that t
honest people, or --
MR. WILLIAMS: It would be, honestly. But I 'Os ggest to
you, now that you have a dockmaster, you have, you ,
somebody actively managing that ramp at Caxam o we are
intimately aware of the folks that are there. o o ave abetter
handle of doing that, but --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: They'r t ramp -specific permits.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRQ: e
MR. WILLIAMS: They're t!�, ey're not.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: so limiting the number of
permits for Caxambas Pass is erintuitive to me.
COMMISSIONER RO: Me, too.
CHAIRMAN McDA L: I mean, I didn't mean to interrupt
you. I'm just -- I like yI mean, I like Commissioner Taylor's idea,
but we've got to sult with -- or your idea with regard to limiting
for Collier C sinesses and residents, but we've got to talk to
the Count At ey about that.
COM IONER LoCASTRO: You know, I'm a big
advo t trying to find -- I keep saying, fairness and balance.
BXfTN er thing I would say is the best thing we've done at these
pa - and I've heard it from businesses who are saying, thank you,
your person's doing great. It's the dockmaster. They're not down
there seven days a week, but we're working towards that. But when
we are there, we hired good -quality people. I've gotten multiple
emails saying, you know, this person, that person, amazing.
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But they're only one person, and the things we really need them
to do, to control parking, keep the giant trailers from not parking
diagonally. Now we're asking them to look at very specific permits
and then go, oh, you're not supposed to be at Caxambas.
I just think that's too big of a knee jerk. So that may Chan hF
number. And I know we're just spitballing here and talking, ir
the end we're going to vote on how many new passes we ca ow, I
think all of these sort of very unique restrictions this ear y is oing to
be sloppy. And then dumping that on the dockmast having
them turn a boat away and say, you know, your p only for
Goodland. You're not allowed to be here.
MR. WILLIAMS: Understood.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yeah. o doubt.
Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TAYLO Aia thought about the
out-of-town permits. Whatever e s now for how many years, I
think we can be fair about it. k we can do it gradually. I also
think that we might consboard, depending on the legality of
it, having a lottery each y with a set number of out -of -county
permits issued which wpul be perhaps fair to folks who have
established a bu ' ss here.
But, cle w -- you know, boat ramps are -- there's not a lot.
There's no a I Collier County. There's not a lot on the East
Coast. As e growing as a region, we do have to protect our
busi
IRMAN McDANIEL: Local businesses, sure.
MMISSIONER LoCASTRO: You know, I just wanted to
add, though, so that whoever's watching this is clear, we're not
boxing out out -of -county businesses.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: What we're doing here is
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prioritizing. So much like the people that wanted to start a new
business in 2022 and misheard what we said at the last meeting and
they said, oh, I can't believe I'm not -- like Laura and a few other
people that I talked to, we didn't say that. What we said is, let's sell
to the people that have already been operating in 2021, figure ou
what that number is, then immediately come back here in Jan nd
try to figure out a magical number so we can continue to i
permits, offer them to new businesses. And what -- we v n't voted
on it yet, but if we went Collier County as the priorit doesn't
mean we're kicking out all the other ones. We m' ecause the
number might just be too much to handle, but r king this in
small and medium chunks.
And so it's a matter of you're next in ' e, nd it's based on how
many we sell. So I don't want any , we all get that 100
emails after this meeting. Oh, yo e out of business. I
couldn't get a permit. Well, you n't get a permit today. You
couldn't get a permit this wee 'bly because we're trying to
prioritize properly.
And so, you know, I want to make that clear, because we all
are getting emails with po much misinformation based on someone
not watching th' eeting, not reading these slides, not, you know,
following w go g on in the news and whatnot. We're trying to
prioritize r 1 is first, our current businesses first, but still figure
out how in oom is left for the other folks without, you know, it
bein d west show again out there, especially at these two
p
AIRMAN McDANIEL: Let's go to the County Attorney for
a quick update on legalities with limitations on local business in
relationship to out-of-town business.
MR. KLATZKOW: What I'd like to do -- because I've heard
from the Board, I understand what you want -- is to go back and
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speak with staff and then bring something forward to the Board rather
than just trying to cobble something together here. There are some
significant legal issues here.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yeah.
MR. KLATZKOW: But like I always wanted to tell you,
Commissioner McDaniel, when you first came on board, I m
be able to give you 100 percent of what you want, but I can e
90 percent of what you want. 0
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You said 95.
MR. KLATZKOW: I think I said 90, but yo d be right.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Maybe I h
MR. KLATZKOW: But I would like to o e ack to the
Board on the next available agenda with o osal.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: VYe , o that if it meets with
our will, but I also want to take ca adventure that's here in
front of us with regard to the the tl cap of the permits that we
issue. And I want to make it lear, from my perspective,
similar to what you said i n, these boat ramps are Collier
County residents' boat ra They weren't ever built to facilitate
someone operatin a bViness out of. That has become a part of
what the ramps in fact, used for, but these ramps were public
ramps built f t e lic for huckleberries like me to try to back my
boat in an o ing once in a while. So accommodating the
businesses lly, in fact, important, but these are public boat
ram people.
Id like to address, if I can -- because I haven't heard
an y say anything. I brought this up in December,
Commissioner Saunders, when we were talking about this cap. I had
suggested that we -- because there are several one -offs, folks that
didn't have a permit, didn't have a permit in '20 or '21 because of
COVID or whatever, or a new licensee. I have a friend whose son
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became a charter captain last year, and we decided to not give
permits to anybody that didn't have one from the year before, and I
had suggested that we allow our staff some latitude of an additional
10 percent of that 180 mark to be able to try to catch some of those
one -offs that are out there, special circumstances, folks that chos o
not get a permit, didn't know they had to have a permit, so on
forth, and accommodate the new business owners that are c 'ng.
That was my suggestion back in December, and we agr ®t wait till
today.
And I don't want us to go away from here an folks that are
sitting on the edge of their seat waiting to get uh.De t o have to wait
another two weeks or another month to come c t you in order to
get that permit.
So what's your -- what's your slig 1 s far as going forward
with the -- with the balance of the, ding permits and then some
latitude? z;
COMMISSIONER LoC : Can I just add one thing that I
think will help his answe . rate�st meeting that we had, the 180
seemed like almost an excive ber when we had no supervision
out there. What we're )inding out there now is the dockmasters are
doing such a go ' ob that we're able to manage -- and we're trying to
figure out w at agic number is. Like Commissioner McDaniel
said, may it plus or minus, you know, 10 percent. But the
dockmaste helping to manage what we have out there and
prov' aybe 180 isn't artificial. I'm not saying we go up to,
y o , an exorbitant higher than that, because the sweet spot's
so 9,
here in there. But if you remember at a meeting -- and we all
voted against it -- a lower number was thrown out of 150, and we
thought that that was not fair and balanced and whatnot.
But I just want to make a play that whatever you're about to say
of what number you think we could go to to sell new permits, a lot of
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that is because we now have so much better oversight that the number
is somewhat much more flexible, correct?
MR. WILLIAMS: Absolutely. And I think you also have a lot
of the commercial guys that are, you know, understanding that there's
an issue here and trying to work with this and taking some of the
suggestions. The Uber, you know, getting folks there. So y
have an active group that is trying to help solve this proble ey
know it's a limited footprint. O
But to go to our point, 180 -- you've given 115. 've got 65
left. I think your point is, can we arrive at a num t doesn't
constrain us where, you know, we're limited i e re some people
out there that are looking to get. I think, for u i is coming back to
you, you know, in March, perhaps, and le ou now most of the
people, we would assume, you kno�y, new permit year
coming up, have come and gotten � there is this question of,
well, what about the rest of these ; where are they and how come
we haven't seen them yet?
So if you wanted to plus or minus 10, you know, if that's
useful, that would be use o us as well, and we'd appreciate that
latitude, I think.
CHAIRM cDANIEL: We'll move that direction when we
get to taking v te.
Comruissi r Solis.
COM IONER SOLIS: Barry just answered my question.
AN McDANIEL: Okay.
MISSIONER LoCASTRO: I would add, though, I think
is too late.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I almost want to see you guys
at the podium every single commissioner meeting. I mean, I'm in
the thick of the war zone right now with trying to find balance and
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working with the Marco City Council and all the other moving parts
we've discussed here. I mean, this is front and center on my plate.
And all of us. I mean, we all care about the ramps. It's not a matter
of whose district it's in. But I want -- you know, we all can get
regular updates in between meetings.
�s, sre
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yeah. I was just going to A
. ba
don't want them at the podium every two weeks. These gu ave
got to go to work.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yeah. �•
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: They're scared h that we're
going to do something that's not going to be a a appy.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Well, e don't need to be
here every two weeks, but for us to get a da e. And even if it's
not at the meeting and it's just you sk mething out, Dan, that
says, here's where we are, you kn �, ays later so that we have
the information that arms us a to t r. Let's not sit on it. Because
every day is business to these out here. So the ones that don't
have the permits, trust m , ill be here every single meeting,
because this is their liveli d. So, you know, I don't want to sit
here and sit on somethiand then in March make some big
announcement a they miss two months' worth of business because
they could h e of permit. So I think you're following me.
MR. O GUEZ: I understand; exactly. For the record,
Dan Rodri , Public Services department head.
ction -- the request is -- basically the recommendation
is ring those 34 in and issue those permits. We have the
ca c� y at the 180. If there's somebody that's sitting out there, we
believe that if they wanted a permit and they want to do business in
2022, they're here. If they're not, we'll work through that. And I
think we have the capacity to do that, and a lot of those individuals in
the 34 number, they were operating already, and they still are
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operating, so...
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I was going to ask you that.
Commissioner Saunders, you're lit up, please.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Well, I wanted to make a
suggestion. We've got a bunch of speakers, I understand.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes. �►
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS : And I think we're a
to start making some motions to give direction. Could ahead
and listen to the speakers, get that input, and then --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Sure. One qui stion, then
we'll go. What's the fine if the dockmaster c e o without a
tag?
MR. WILLIAMS: So you have a -- ' our fee policy, a series
of fines. I believe the citation is a 13
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And how much does the
license cost?
MR. WILLIAMS: The e itself, it's a tiered approach.
You know, your first pe 50; second, 350; third, 450; plus the
$10 launch fee every time u launch.
CHAIRMAN Mcl,>A IEL: So if I want a tag -- I'm just
talking. If I wa license or a permission slip to be able to run my
charter busin s n can't get one because of this cap that's been put
out and th de c n making that we're, in fact, going through, I can
continue to my business and pay $30 a hit on the tickets when I
get c the ramp conducting my business without a permit. So
I o at eight times and be the equivalent of the license fee.
R. WILLIAMS: You can. There is a question. And
forgive me for bringing this out. I mean, in terms of -- you know,
with parks, what our typical approach is is to educate people. We're
not about giving tickets.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, we don't want to give tickets,
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but we also have people that are looking to get licenses and aren't
getting them issued because they didn't fit the box, as we said. They
didn't fit the box that we established for them to be able to come in
and get a license.
MR. WILLIAMS: You do have other mechanisms. If peo e
continue to not follow the park's rules, there is the ability to tr
them. It's not something we do --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right. O
MR. WILLIAMS: -- very often, but you do ha t potential.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, all I'm to orward to do
is to accelerate this process to a conclusion a us to
continue -- allow our residents to use our boat ps and the
businesses that are functioning at our boa m s to continue to do so.
That was -- that was just where I was th all that, Barry.
MR. WILLIAMS: Underst
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: e s hear from our public. I don't
have -- how many public speesup
o we have?
MR. MILLER: W to eight now, sir. I'm going to
ask our speakers to use bo odiums so we can move this a little bit
quicker. Your first speaker will be Tim Supranawich, and he will be
followed by Jos ickson.
Mr. Eric s n,1 you could queue up at the other podium.
MR. UP NAWICH: Name's Tim Supranawich. I'm a
Florida res , and I've owned my house here for 14 years.
o share with you my experience a couple of weeks ago
o s y, December 28th, as I went down to the Bayview boat
ra As I was driving in, I got down by the bait store, and I could
see owns and dozens of trailers lined up. Then as I proceeded
down to Bayview, I went by the marina, and there was trailers lined
up there with a few open spots for cars.
I got into Bayview, drove around, nobody at the ramp, but over
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50 percent of the spots were -- that would accommodate trailers had
cars in them. There was one open slot, so I quickly moved over to
the ramp, launched my jet ski, got it in the water, got back, and there
was a car then sitting in that one spot. So I drove out looking for a
spot from the marina that I could parallel park a trailer into it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: How did that work out?
MR. SUPRANAWICH: It didn't work out. I mean, �ood,
but not that good. So then I turned around, I came bac (3nd once
before when I was there, I actually asked some indiv' o move his
car because he was parked in a trailer spot, which So I went
to the little park area where some kids were, d, is anybody
parked in a trailer spot? They said no.
I went over to -- by the restrooms, a he e was a guy there
with a trailer full of jet skis. I thinly h of them on there. He
was leaning up against the trailer. en there was an individual
and then a wife -- a husband and over there. So I went over and
asked -- approached them and is anybody parked in a trailer
spot? You know, I'm 7 d. I don't feel like hoofing it a
mile, you know, down to bait store.
So the guy on the p►ailer then -- leaning against the trailer
answered for hi . He says, don't get mad at them. Your problem is
with the Coll' r o ty board, because the sign says Saturdays and
Sundays a d h ays is the only time those spots are reserved. At
any other p in time anybody could park in any of these spots.
you know -- when I hear Mr. McDaniel say that, you
t residents built the boat ramps -- I'm running out of
ti - built the boat ramps, I agree with him. The City of Naples
does not allow commercial people to operate out of their boat ramps.
There's got to be a better solution. You've got to keep the cars
out of the trailer spots. But that's where we're at.
You know, the 10 bucks more you're going to get for the cars,
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the people that are paying the hundreds of dollars to rent a jet ski are
gone fish [sic], that doesn't mean a thing. Thank you much for your
time.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you, sir.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Josh Erickson. He'is,�,
followed by Jesse Karen.
MR. ERICKSON: Good morning, Board. My name4osh
Erickson. I've been here before to talk about some of t is ues that
we're facing down there at both the parks.
I own a business. I applied for three permits ear and was
granted the three permits. I had three permit st a . The year
prior to that we had more. We downsized our e its due to
COVID, and we're subsequently limited i e max that we could
obtain because the permits we obtailie e r before was what the
quota is.
I'm a little frustrated because s this coming for a long time.
I've been working to remedy t ation offsite with a commercial
location and shuttle peo park.
We're in the process uilding out a storefront. Hopefully it's
done in the next m nthor two before the next real busy season. But
what I'm seeing ' e dockmasters and the rangers down there trying
to organize tr c a organize the parking situations, but they're
overwhel ed. hey're overwhelmed. They're having a tough time.
A lot of th , ou know, their tempers are running thin, and it's
subs running off on customers that are showing up getting
tr u know, kind of poorly with somebody who's frustrated
an n showing up to the dock to hop on boats and go on charters
when guys like myself who have the permits are watching myriad
other charters come through, and they do not have the red stickers.
You know, the numbers that Melissa just said, I think, are
severely underestimated as to how many people are actually out there
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running without permits. I think a lot of people don't know that they
need permits, and none of the numbers really account for that. I
think that there's a substantial amount of people that have been taking
advantage of the docks for the last 30 years, and they simply are
going to continue to do so, especially if the fine is only $30, an
that's maybe if they got caught. And, ultimately, all of that p
pressure from these other guys that are doing it illegally is
contributing to the parking problems at the parks for the i ents and
the business owners that are trying to do it legally.
I think enforcement is critical. I think tryin se the fines
on those people that are doing it illegally is 1111wrt I think that
making sure that the dockmaster down there
attendants but also, you know, trying to rQA-
inbound and outbound out of there conuffw
there.
I think if you did those two
those fines and really having §1�
aTt just parking
the traffic coming
That shouldn't be
Nq1r`v"
>� more effectively, increasing
,eth behind people monopolizing
the ramp, it would help o
The other thing I'm c erned about going forward is if we start
limiting permits, the number of launch permits based on parking
spots available, t happens to businesses such as myself that have
invested a lot er nal capital to create an offsite parking location,
subsequen s tle people to the ramp, and not use any parking?
We use zer ing, and yet I'm limited in the amount of
com r ' ermits I can obtain. That severely hinders my
b stand it's challenging and scary and tough to plan going
fo d with that kind of criteria.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Are you running out of Caxambas,
Josh?
MR. ERICKSON: I run out of Goodland.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Goodland.
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MR. ERICKSON: Yep.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you.
MR. ERICKSON: Yep. And thank you guys for your time
and everybody. I know this is an issue and tough topic, so thank
you.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Jesse Karen. He' �►
followed by Greg Stastny.
MR. KAREN: Happy New Year, guys. CO
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you.
MR. KAREN: Here we are again.
I'm kind of here for a couple reasons sim' Ito , more of an
update. And I'm one of the people who -- I m h be one of the two
who needs a permit because my boat sun 'ght prior to COVID. So
I've always had three boats. I'm ditfe don't launch. I rent
slips at the county marina, have d Nvince it opened up in
Goodland.
I've always had those thr s and those three boats. Boat
sunk. Couldn't find one e price of boats are like cars;
they're crazy. So anothe erator, I rented his boat until I found
one. When I found on
,p; it was too late to buy a permit in 2021, so
this year I am d a boat and had to lay off two families. That put
me in a reall d si ation. So I really need to get that third permit
for my thi bo hat I've always had but have not been able to do so
until this m g happened.
de, the parking situation, man, they are trying very hard
a a good job at keeping things right. We've made -- I've
m ome arrangements for offsite parking, but people don't read
the emails and the confirmations we send them, so they pull in, they
park in the trailer parking, and then me or one of my other captains,
we go over to move them. But a lot of the times we get to them,
they are being berated by a couple of the people that are working at
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the park to solve the parking problem. I've had people go home,
cancel their trips because they were so flummoxed and surprised that
they would be treated this way by a county employee, and I didn't
know what to say to them except apologize profusely.
So the system is working but I think, like Josh says, I think e
of the people are getting a little overwhelmed and maybe a lit 1�
under the collar. I've personally walked up to my folks w hey
got there to move them, and the first word out of their t is, I'm
going to trespass you and tow them. I haven't even ything
yet. I was just going there to move the people to rking
arrangements I made.
So I think we're in that growing phase wh e there's some
tweaking that needs to be done because it' - it s a little bit of a mess
right now.
But that's really all I wanted, as, is I think they need a
little bit -- I think we're headed in e ight direction. I think they
maybe need a little bit more h perhaps training, because the
person that I'm referring orry, has complained that -- okay, I
can stop -- has complaine at they didn't have the necessary
training to do their 'ob.,*
CHAIRM cDANIEL: We got it. Thank you.
MR. N: ut thank you for listening to me. Happy New
Year, and on ulations on the extra work.
CHA N McDANIEL: On my extra work.
LER: Your next sneaker is Greg Statsny. He'll be
fo y Michael Pope.
R. STATSNY: The topics I wanted to bring up were already
addressed, so I'll be brief.
We have problems a lot of times with some of the canoe groups.
They'll unload all their canoes and block the entire boat ramp.
They'll let people off to load and unload their canoe right on the
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curve where you launch the boat. So you can't even drive a trailer
through there without people blocking that whole area. The easy
thing with the canoes and kayaks is let everybody go off by the
Goodland bridge. They don't even get charged an amount, and it's
an easy place to access all their tours. End of problem right ther
Why are they paying extra money when they don't really nee t�►
And then they also have off of -- adjacent from one of other
boat ramps on Isles of Capri, they have their own boat r hat no
motorized vessels are even allowed to be in. So as f ome of the
canoe and kayak tours, they could launch that are ee, and they
don't take up all that space and hold up all the m rcial people that
are trying to load a boat and unload a boat, blo i g.
A big problem. The park people en cing everything, great
move. I think that's good. It's a lost o zation, but they do get
overwhelmed. They don't have p wers, and I think there's a
lot of irate people that eventuall a e have a deputy or one of our
other law enforcements patrol rea so they don't get
overwhelmed.
The big thing is the p ing. We've talked briefly, the
commissioner and I, bekre on the break. As far as having some of
these big groups uble up on the parking spots. They know how
many people 0, there's no parking spots for anybody. Now,
the comm cia hermen, they have maybe four people in their
group all d hey usually don't do doubles. Every once in a
whil So they have their boat spot, and four people show
uqZ,ONgrey have to park miles away, literally.
NY some of the big boat tours could meet their people and say,
hey, you know, I know you don't know this person you're parking
behind, but we're all coming back at the same time, so what's the
difference? You know, it's going to eliminate four or three people
parking there instead of one. So you're going to get a lot more
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parking in if the groups organize and get their people to park behind
each other, and it's going to open up more spots.
Thank you very much for your time.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Michael Pope. He'll be
followed by Jason Fullerton.
MR. PAPE: Hello. It's Michael Pape.
MR. MILLER: Oh, I'm sorry, sir.
MR. PAPE: I'm used to it. Don't worry. O
But I just kind of wanted to piggyback off of w se and the
other speaker said. I know, Commissioner McDa ou spoke
ol
about how the boat ramps were more built fo cr io al use, not
really for commercial at first.
Commissioner Taylor, you spoke ab ki d of how people in
the East Coast are moving this way an lorida's expanding as a
state and as an economy. So as zt�� forward, we need to update
our infrastructure, especially whomes to things like parking,
Goodland, Caxambas, and the boat parks. That's very
important to look at.
I know, you know, h reds, thousands of people are moving
here a week, every, morph, coming down to Florida, and we have a lot
of people comi own here for tourism. It's no surprise that
tourism is a gOgXO-'e Atomic factor in Florida, so we need to -- you
know, wh w ve them get frustrated with the park rangers and
the dockm , we can't leave a bad taste in their mouth, because
that' h an important thing for the state and for Collier
C pecially, with so much public land. We want people to be
ab t come here, more streamlined experience, not have to worry as
muc about parking and things like that when they come down so
they can enjoy this beautiful county we live in and this beautiful
state.
So just keep it short, but I just kind of wanted to reiterate that
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idea. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you, sir.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chair, your next speaker is Jason Fullerton.
He'll be followed by our online speaker, Enrique Carrillo.
MR. FULLERTON: Hi. How's it going today? I'm Jaso
Fullerton, and I'm an owner/operator out of the Goodland cou
ramp.
Just to speak on some of the things that affect me, Q born
and raised in Collier County here in Naples. I live i County
now. I basically can walk to the Collier County b I've been a
charter guide for 15 years in this area.
As so limiting commercial launch permit o eople outside of
Collier County would severely impact my siness.
And, you know, I hate to sound e ut, you know, being
from this area and seeing what ha V
ed to this area, it's alarming
to me, and it's alarming to me th ld move to Bonita Springs
because I can't afford to be in s anymore, and, you know,
having to run a business now, however long I've been
running it and being a gui or 15 years and to think that I could be,
you know, out of a conWercial launch permit and out of my business
just because of re I live, that's extremely frustrating.
And one the ther things that I'd like to mention is, is when
you guys t ink t limiting people outside of the county, the launch
permits for e people, is going to affect the parking, well, guess
what kcompanies with multiple commercial launch permits. I
d v want to be that. I always want to be an owner/operator. I
al want to have the ability to run charters, my passion, what I
enjoy doing.
I'm a Florida master naturalist. I've been a fishing guide for 15
years. This is -- this is my life. This is -- I say this to people
sometimes. This isn't a job. This is a lifestyle. You know, I wake
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up at 4:30 in the morning to get in to take care of what it is that I need
to take care of to run tours for not only our Collier County residents,
which I have many regulars that are that, but for the tourism industry
as well.
And just to kind of reiterate something for you guys, they a
inundated over there at the ramps. You know, the rangers th t*,V
there, they're having issues, and a lot of it is not with the co ercial
sector and the commercial people. It's with the other p 1 that are
coming to the ramps.
And, you know, we are efficient, you know, J nd Josh and
all of us. Like, we are safety first. That's o 'ob a captain, and
we're in, we're out. We're not the ones that ar st sitting there at
the boat ramp, you know, taking up the s e or, you know, the
people that are, you know, pulling ttei to, you know, gas up
their boats and things, you know, t mp, which they're not even
supposed to be doing anyways.
It's just -- it's hard to list ome of these things and realize
that -- you know, that I' 'ng represented as a local to this area.
And it's just -- it's tough a rustrating. I appreciate what you guys
are trying to do. It's dVnitely helping. The guys that are there at
the ramp areAde*y helping with some of the problems, but what
you have to d is that the commercial people are not the
problem. nd),appreciate your guys' time, thank you.
CHAINXPAN McDANIEL: Thank you.
kAse.)
MILLER: Your final speaker is online, Enrique Carrillo.
rrillo, you should be being prompted to unmute yourself. If
you' 1 do so at your time [sic], you have three minutes. There you
go.
MR. CARRILLO: Good afternoon. Thank you for having me.
MR. MILLER: Go ahead, sir.
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MR. CARRILLO: Hello? Good afternoon. Yes, good
afternoon. Thank you for having me.
So I am a small business owner. I had a permit last year, and
I'll be grandfathered in for this year. I have not submitted it yet due
to I needed for you guys to change the rules or the regulations fo e
application.
The insurance requirements are very high standards. e
application is standardized for huge commercial compa '®ike for
the rental companies, the jet ski rental companies wh a majority
of the spots, parking spots, majority of the people e traffic.
My business is unique, totally different. e t eliver for the
residents of Marco, Naples, Doctors Pass, in th t rea, basically just
to residents of Naples area. We deliver t jet skis. For example, if
you purchase a jet ski at a dealershiv, no need for a trailer,
you have no truck, we'll bring it t IV p, the family member
usually meets us at the ramp, an e go off on their way home, or
your jet ski's not working, yo ' g the jet ski to the ramp. Sea
Tow brings it to you, yo t with your other jet ski or your other
boat, we'll put it on the tra We're in and out in two minutes.
We do not take aaring spots whatsoever. We pay our fees each
time, licensed aured.
The onl q!kestn I haveis if you guys could change the
standards litt it or work with me on this, because we're so small
we can't ev ford the qualifications you're offering for the
insur e have a 100,000 policy commercial. You're requiring
5 That's a little bit too stiff for us. We don't even make that
m very year to make that.
But our service is to supply delivery service for the jet skis to
the residents in Marco and Naples. And you're right, my heart goes
out to all the workers at Caxambas, because we don't even deliver on
Saturdays and Sundays. It's ridiculous. We're in and out. We
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won't even waste our time going over there because it's
overwhelming with traffic and cars and tourists.
So if you could work with me on that. And I do understand
with a lot of legal [sic] people doing the rentals out there, I see them
out there, a lot of shops, repair shops are going in and out pickin
jet skis. We know who they are. They're not having permit .�
Sometimes they're not even paying their in and out. Butt so
much traffic out there, it's hard to tell. O
Thank you so much for having me here for this.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Appreciate you Enrique.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chairman, that was e 1 speaker for
this item.
MR. D'ANTUONO: I signed up buAidn t get on there. I put
a form in. Can I speak?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Come on.
MR. MILLER: Stop after a 've me your name.
MR. D'ANTUONO: Bi ntuono. I put it right there.
CHAIRMAN McD^ Well, the County Attorney
probably threw it out whe e saw who you were.
MR. D'ANTUONV: orry about that.
MR. KLA &U0:
W: I just tossed it.
MR. D' All right. Well, here I am again. This is
my sixth o se h time. Appreciate you guys for giving us the
time to tal�
o say I fully support the 30-day reassessment period,
b ere are a lot of people that don't have the current permit
an y've had running businesses, small businesses, for
20-something years. There's a lot of those guys that, you know,
they're kind of talking to me and asking me what's going on? What's
going on? And, of course, they don't show up, but they want to
know what -- you know, these are the guys that are -- have been
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running for a while. They've been promoting this town to come here
for years and, you know, pretty much the backbone of our tourism.
And I want to say that to have a specific permit just for
Caxambas and possibly Goodland, I think it's great you guys are
figuring out, like, who's going where. All you would have to do
just have a different colored sticker. That's it. You don't ha
colored sticker of the year and you're going to Caxambas, on't
get to go in. That's a simple solution. Just something a ted to
point out.
Another thing that was in the items that were sals or is that
over time that these permits are not going to a e able. So
down the road when I want to go to sell in bu n ss, I can't do that.
Now, I have federal permits. I could sel y f deral permit, which is
$25,000, and I have two of them, so th me. But all these
guys that are just running backwat eMrshore stuff, they don't have
those, so they're SOL is resellin t e usiness and also, if they
wanted to give their business 'r kids, then that's -- the legacy's
done right there. So I j d to say, like, consider, you know,
maybe passing the -- bein le to transfer those permits and, over
time, that's going t shr. k he number of permits which we were
told, you know, n't going to happen.
Another Wg, ou know, that goes along the lines of that, is,
you know, acc to the fishery. The non -boat -owning public have a
right to ha cess to the fishery. That is actually in the
Mag - evens Act which is a federal law, that the federal
la s have to abide by this act, and it's called the
son -Stevens Act. There's a lot to unfold in it. But one of the
things in it is that you have -- the next generation fishermen have
to -- that has to be a priority for the next generation to come up on, so
that's something to consider.
And, once again, fishing and ecotourism operations generate
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millions of dollars for this county, and they advertise this county for
absolutely no cost. And by eliminating them, you're going to cost
these businesses millions of dollars.
So thanks again for having me up here, and I operate offshore
Naples. I'm a sole proprietor. I also have commercial fishing tVn
and my charter offshore, so thank you. �+
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you, Bill.
(Applause.) O
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All right. I want want
to -- before we get going, I want to be resistant be e were
called here today to accept staffs update, and t to be resistant
on making specific motions and finalize decisi s today if, in fact,
we can get to that point, give some directA to staff. But there
are -- there are other people that were ' e arily expecting us to
pull the trigger on any -- on any s ecisions today, so...
Commissioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoC And I concur with that. We
don't want to get ahead o ves. We're trying to do this, you
know, in small to medium unks.
But a couple of hoviework assignments for you all, or at least
something to th' about, and I'll see if my colleagues here agree.
First off o body doesn't have a permit or it's expired, I
thought o do asters had more latitude than to just say, you
know, you it's expired, but then the boat just continues to
oper don't have the ability to turn them away or say, "I'm
s can't tie up here to the dock; you have an expired permit"?
I , I know that's putting a lot on the dockmasters.
Let me just go through, just for the sake of time. So that's
number one. And if the answer was, yeah, but it's difficult for them,
they're juggling a lot of things, then I would hope you would come
back in the future, and if we need more dockmasters out there, great,
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if we need to readdress stronger fees -- rather, fines, I should say, or
put teeth into it, how can we do that? I mean, certainly our hands
aren't just tied to say, too bad, so sad.
Because Commissioner McDaniel makes a good point. If I
can't get the permit, I'll just keep taking the fines. And we have
people that do that in parking spots all over Collier County.'
have a beach sticker; give me a fine; you're not going to to
But I think we have a little bit more latitude than that. to—
But
like how somebody said it's a little bit of a me there. My
response to that would be over many years it's be of a mess.
And so some of these sins of the past for five r e can't fix in
five weeks. So I'm actually encouraged by he i g some of you say
it is a little bit better out there, and in so as s I hear a lot a bit
better.
I will tell you, I was at Caxa d I might not have
interfaced with the one customer e a ple you had that said the
county staff was rude and the e horrible. I was out there, I
think, for that exact pers mebody very similar. And in my
case I can tell you what ih ned. Our county staff basically said,
you can't park here. Ywu're in the wrong spot, blah, blah, blah, this
and that, and th rson basically said, too bad, so sad. I didn't read
the email fro t e c pany, but I'm here now. We're all in our
bathing su* s, t h. You know, tow me if you want.
So yo ow, sometimes it's on the customer. And like you
said, e lot going on. So just as you said, they don't read your
fi Make the print bigger for us, because I watched that
do aster have a 20-minute conversation with that person, and it
was more of the person yelling and, meanwhile, the dockmaster then
is -- who knows what's going on behind the dockmaster now while
they're dealing with this one person.
So there's a little bit of blame to go all around, but I'm actually
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proud of what I see happening out there by our county staff. It
doesn't mean we can't get better, but I witnessed something and then
actually interceded into it and said, I know you're upset, because
you're breaking the law right now, and we're trying to move your
vehicle that's in the wrong spot. And so that deals with the frus ted
customers. �+
But transferring the permits -- and, Barry, this might b4
something that you can't answer now, but I think it wou ®e
important to all of us. There's a difference between g your
business to someone and not being able to transfer ermits and
giving your business to a family member whe hh d-ipany is still
the same name, it's still the Johnson Jet Ski Co p ny", or what have
you.
So I'd like more detail on that, pe hink there is a
difference between selling and tra g. I would hate to see a
family business, you know, squa But if you're selling your
business to somebody that liv iami and expecting everything to
transfer, I mean, you ca ' ur car and give that person your
driver's license as well, so 've got to take a look at that, but I think
there's a difference. Byt there's a few things in there that don't
necessarily nee esponse because, just like Commissioner
McDaniel sa' e' trying to just vote on one thing, which is how
many morUe s can you offer. That was really why we've come
to the t2bleyttgy based on how many you've sold, so -- but there's a
few like an update for all of us on so we can continue to
McDANIEL: Actually, we can do that next
month when they do come back. Not every month.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Yeah, absolutely. Not every
month.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Taylor.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah, just a couple of things.
To the County Attorney, I think where our control on all of this is the
parking.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No.
MR. KLATZKOW: Okay.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Is it?
MR. KLATZKOW: I mean, you have a limited numb'
parking spaces. O
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Streaming [sic tricting
the parking will determine who uses these ramps.
MR. KLATZKOW: Yes.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. so I think that's
something that I don't think we can solve ay, but that is
really -- that is really the heart of w4atJU;Z�Ihe
oing now.
What I heard from the folks , independent
businessmen and then, of course Commissioner McDaniel who
said, you know, this is really for private use, and then I heard
from the businesses say, w, we need this parking, we need to
be able to run our busines from here.
So I think as -- goi ag back to staff, that's going to be the
conundrum. T going to be where, are we going to restrict -- are
we going to 1' th arking for commercial so that the public can
use it? H w c we -- how can we take care of this going forward?
That is not sy question to solve. The City of Naples has
grap this for years. The City of Naples you can run your
b om some home. If someone's on the water, as a charter
bo rson, you can run it out of the back of their house. That's
how they solved the problem as they sold, bit by bit, the waterfront.
This is not what we have. We have limited waterfront, and we
need to address in a fair way how we are allowing people to use it.
I would agree with transferable permits but, again, the devil's in
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the details on that.
Are we -- again, with parking, are we required to have specific
businesses park in specific areas? Let's just say for this conversation
you have a jet ski business and you have 20 jet skis on the back of
your trailer and you want to bring everybody there to use it, do
say to these businesses with this one gentleman who said he+
storefront, that's where we do the business, that's where we , and
then people come over to us, do we require that for busi s s? I
don't know the answer to that.
But those are questions going forward that w to
determine, which is not an easy thing to dete e. t I think the
more information we can gather, the better it i nd I'm certainly
welcome to talk to any of our small busin es, ecause I'm a huge,
huge fan of the independent business , huge fan of it. Not
so crazy about the companies wh a ree or four or six trailers
and they monopolize. But the in dent, the charter boat, what
did people come here for at t of the century? They came to
use the water. They ca h. They came to explore these
areas, which is why Caxa s and Goodland are so popular. So I'm
really very much a supporter of that kind of business. But, again, it's
about the parki .
CHAIR cDANIEL: And we're at a turning point here
with our c urt orter. Are you okay with us wrapping this up?
Because I we'll be done in a minute or 10. By 12:30. I'm
goin o out to 12:30, and we're going to be done 12:30, and
t call it a day, if that's okay. You all okay with that?
MMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: If we're finished with
everything, that's okay.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We'll be done by then.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: All right. Good. That's a
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good goal.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I don't want to say we're
going to shut down the meeting at 12:30 no matter what.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Maybe. Who's got the gavel
now? �+
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah. 1
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Go ahead, Commissi r
Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: All right. erstand the
reluctance to do anything specific today; how r, e're doing
right now if we just accept the report is we're j t c epting the
information. And we've had some gener onversation here which
may be considered direction. But I;mL Oure if we have given
the staff some concrete direction. � ike to give staff a couple
concrete directions if the Board i reement with it.
So, for example -- and I' ack to the letter from Laura
Gelman. We do have p at want -- that have tried to set up a
business, didn't realize the was going to be a moratorium. I think
we can take care of thaVituation. So what I'd like to do -- maybe
we can do this p' emeal. But I'd like to have staff -- direct staff to
open up the itti g, even if it's only for county residents who
have proc de establish a business prior to today, to at least give
them the o nity to open up.
e other aspect, other part of that could be, depending on
w oard wants to do, to simply open up the permits for
an 30 days since we have some capacity there.
So I'd like to give staff some direction, one of those two
directions, at least, to be fair to some people that may have gotten
caught up in this moratorium unaware that we were going to impose
it. So that's a question for the Board.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: A thought I have -- and I think one
of the things we're going to find out, as has been alluded by several of
our public speakers, is there's a lot more people that need a permit
that aren't getting a permit.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And so as we start to enha Nor
penalization for not having a permit, we're going to find ou t
potentially that 180 cap that we set isn't near enough to o modate
the people that have been using our ramps and haven' a permit.
So I would suggest today that we open up the nce of the
permits with that 10 percent deviation for tha - h is an extra 18
permits, just for today to allow us to move so t ese people
through: Jesse that needs an extra permi e young man who's a
friend of mine's son who got a charter' ain's license last year,
and to -- on that premise of that 1 I t float.
COMMISSIONER SAUND No one on the Board is
objecting to that, so that's one e ion.
COMMISSIONER RO: And I think that's actually
what they're asking us to I mean, they brought us a number.
Maybe we're goin to posy around with the number a little bit. But
isn't -- your ho ork assignment for us is you're asking us to
approve the o e in f permits to allow new businesses that have
been on h d, .nesses that didn't operate in 2021, right, to open
that apertu them? I think that's what they're asking.
AN McDANIEL: Right.
WILLIAMS: Yes, sir.
MMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay. I'm going to make a
motion on one item, and that is for staff to be in the position to issue
up to 18 more permits over the next -- and you're going to be coming
back every couple meetings, but go ahead and have the authority to
open up the permitting for 18 permits to accommodate some of the
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people that are in this audience that have said they need a permit and
also to deal with the potential that there may have been some people
that got caught up in the moratorium, but no more than the 18
permits. And you can issue those beginning today. So I make that
motion.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'll second it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and secAW, and
I see Commissioner Solis giving me the -- O
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: A question, just 6to sure I
understand. So it's 18 additional. So it's 18 on t e 180? So
it's --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: No, it 1 on top of the
hundred and --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Fift we have.
COMMISSIONER SAUND -fifteen.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: y.
MR. WILLIAMS: Mr. i an, if I could clarify. We do
have a list of approximat olks who, you know, weren't within
this grandfathered section. o I think where you were heading, you
know, so you've given W 5 permits. You had approved 180. You
have 65 left. ArRan stion of taking that 180 number plus
10 percent w18 -- so, you know, we'd like to take
care :aFSSIONER
3 lks, including --
IONER LoCASTRO: The number they're asking.
SAUNDERS: Then I'll amend the motion
to firth 34 permits.
MMISSIONER LoCASTRO:
wha they're asking.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS:
Thirty-four, yeah. That's
So the people that are caught
up in this can get working. So that's motion number one.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And the seconder agrees to the
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amendment.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So it's been moved and seconded
that we'll -- it's been moved and seconded. Because we're not
stopping -- and forgive me. We're not stopping the issuance of the
65 permits that are still out there that haven't been consumed. 're
actually reaching out to those people and having those discus i
MR. WILLIAMS: That's right.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So, necessarily, you e�4
people that are in -- the 10 percent isn't enough. Ma 0 percent's
a better number for today's discussion.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No, no,
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thirty-four.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: IAn't mind going to 36.
That would be 20 percent. It's j
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL:
use that opposed to a fixed num
MR. WILLIAMS: Mr. 0
COMMISSIONER
number.
I mean, up to 2
number. J#
0 percent.
If we could
Twenty percent is a fixed
ent is 36 permits.
That is a fixed
CHAIRM &OR
DANIEL: Okay. Fair enough. Yes, it is.
COMM SAUNDERS: So that's the motion.
CH A McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded that
we allow f additional 20 percent of the permits to be issued.
SSIONER SOLIS: Of the 115?
MISSIONER SAUNDERS: Of the 180.
AIRMAN McDANIEL: Of the 180.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: That's 36.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: So we're increasing the number of
total permits. I'm trying to make sure I understand what we're doing.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Staff has issued a hundred
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and how many permits?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Fifteen.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay. They're going to
have the authority to issue 36 more.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Thirty-six more.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: To accommodate -- r
the 115.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Of the 115. See, I ke�tting
confused, because Commissioner McDaniel is sayin 1�j#ethi
different.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes, he is. or t e 180.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: The tin is --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay. A_
COMMISSIONER SAUNDEAS:over and above the 115
you've already issued. Not over e 180.
COMMISSIONER LoCAST They were asking for 34.
We're making it 36 because it' A;ind 20 percent number, and then
they'll come back to us a s --
MR. WILLIAMS: could just offer a couple of thoughts.
And so you have 180 cop, and these are for people that were
grandfathered i m last year that had permits. You've gotten 115
of those. T 's s some people out there that may still fall in that
category, at ing those 65 available permits for them, you know,
meets the s of what you look for. Then you have in addition
thes 4 don't meet that criteria.
`*s kind of the question, if you wanted to go from 115 plus
3 36, that's cool, but if you wanted to -- 115, you know, up to
your 180 of people that were grandfathered plus these 34 that didn't
make it --
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Here's what I say, Barry:
This issue is so known. If I'm a boat captain and I know this thing is
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such a hot topic and I had a permit in 2021 and I still haven't renewed
my permit, well, 115 people were smart enough to do it.
So those folks that are sitting out there thinking they'll just come
in whenever they want -- all the people in here that -- have renewed
their permit. So I say at some point -- we have done unbelieva
amounts of advertising. It's the common discussion at every
boat ramp: Get your permit. Get your permit. They mi .mit
them. They may cap it at 180 or whatever. At some t e've
got to open this up to the people that were boxed out 21 due to
COVID or they're a new business or whatnot and em the
chance to come forward, you know.
MR. WILLIAMS: We would be comfo e with the concept
of an additional 36, you know, and take c of these people that
we're aware of that haven't been ably t And, again, we can
continue to report back to you ho , t kind of business we're
doing. VZ
I did want to make one o arification, if I may, about the
concept of only issuing its of these 34; only issuing new
permits for Collier Count You've already grandfathered folks that
have included some outoof-county folks. There's no thought to pull
their permit. T 've got their permit in hand. It's just for these
new ones, thi es n of do we just restrict it to Collier County?
CO I NER SAUNDERS: We have one gentleman who
spoke who in Lee County. Now, I don't know if he needs
anot it or not.
WFULLERTON: I don't need another permit.
R. WILLIAMS: He's good.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: You're all right. There may
be other people that are in that same -- same circumstance. So all
I'm saying is, issue 36 more permits.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, can I --
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Above the 115.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, we've already -- but that -- to
me, that's counterintuitive. We've already approved for 180 permits.
He could be standing here today if the people that had the licenses
were as diligent as Commissioner LoCastro wanted them to be in
telling us they've already issued 180 permits, and there are sti 1
that are in the wings that are looking for permits, and that he
discussion that I was having about exceeding that 180 t ical cap.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So I underst hat you're
saying, so, like, the 36 that we're talking about no rt of the 180
cap, right?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, they'r o ts'de of that 180
cap. He's --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDE4S: we say it isn't.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: 6 e has already said that
were --
COMMISSIONER TAY No, it's -- we're making the
motion.
COMMISSIONER DERS: This isn't that difficult.
CHAIRMAN McI�►A IEL: This isn't that difficult.
MR. WIL S: So you've got two options. You've got
Option A, w is 0 permits. You've given 115. You've got 64
to let for p op randfathered, with an additional 36 permits for
these folks didn't make that criteria. That's Option A. Option B
is, y v en 1151 you're going to give 3 6 more.
MISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'm going with Option B,
be e that still leaves some flexibility in terms of people in the
county that have the ability to apply for a permit that just haven't
done it. So let's --and we're coming back in a few weeks. So let's
just deal with the 36 to anybody who wants a permit.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: And one thing you said,
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Barry, that may or may not be true is, you say, well, we gave 115, we
have 65 out there that are grandfathered. Some of those people
might never come back. I've already talked to some of them. They
got six permits. They already got two, and they didn't ask for those
six. Some went out of business. Some moved to Wisconsin. at
some point, you know, if you want a permit, it's mid January.
time to get your 2021 [sic] permit.
So Option B, to me, is the only smart solution here erything
else is hypothetical. And then you'll be able to com , tell
us -- and maybe it doesn't need to be a big present ut to just
give us a report card on what you're finding o h ow many of
the 36 did we give? How many of them were e usinesses?
But I think the thing that's still out t is, out of the 36, do they
all have to be Collier County residgtst?
MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER LoCAST We haven't answered that.
CHAIRMAN McDANI nd he's not talking about people
that have existing licens
COMMISSIONER ASTRO: Right.
CHAIRMAN McIEL: -- that were part of the original
180. These are eople who are in the wings that want a permit
that weren't of e original vested licensure that we established.
CO I4 NER LoCASTRO: Right.
CHA N McDANIEL: And that's the -- that's the -- if we
limit i 4 or 36 permits today and 65 of the ones that are already
v c e in in the next two weeks, you're stuck at 36.
R. WILLIAMS: We are.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And I don't want to be stuck.
We've already -- what I'm actually talking about is allowing for an
increase in our theoretical moratorium, our cap, to accommodate the
one -offs and the people that didn't have a license or fit into the box
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that we established when we set that 180 limit, theoretical limit.
And if we do it without too much recourse from the out-the-towners
and don't allow new businesses that aren't from here in that increased
amount, I think we've accommodated what we need to do for now for
the business owners that we have, the permits that were issued, a
then the one -offs that are out there. t
se
MR. WILLIAMS: Mr. Chair, just one other thought your
lines is, it's possibly very true that the people that were fathered
have come and got their permit. It's high season. T eed that
permit to operate now. So the bulk of these folks come in.
You might have a few that trickle in after the t ou've
accomplished the goal there.
But I do think, to Commissioner Mc ie 's comment, limiting
it by saying, okay, we're done with �ie thering, we're not
giving ourselves some opportunit o get some to trickle in, it
does constrain staff. So if 180 -- t 65 delta is not the number, if
there's a number you'd feel co ble with where we have that in
our toolkit, we're going t are of the 34, and then we had a
handful if we get grandfat ed people in. So if that helps any.
CHAIRMAN McI*I►A IEL: Commissioner Solis is down there
beating his butt Poor thing.
COMM O R SOLIS: Okay. I'm just -- I'm going to
support C in .oner Saunders' motion. Until we get to the 180, I
don't know we need to even have this discussion about increasing
it. T e point of the 180 was that there was too many people
u oat ramps. I mean, that's why we set it at 180. So I'm
no e why we're having a discussion about increasing it over the
180.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Perhaps -- and I'll add to the
motion -- that regardless of what happens, regardless of how many
people come in on this 34 or 36 number, you're not to issue any
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permits over 180. So if 50 people come in and -- or 100 people
come in from the county that haven't already come in, you're limited
to the 180.
MR. WILLIAMS: That's helpful.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And I would just --let's call tzN,,
question, at least, on the first motion.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'll second that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All right. It's been e and
second -- I'm not quite sure where -- it's been moved conded
that we're going to issue up to -- and forgive me if raphrasing
incorrectly, but we're going to issue up to 180 ntil we meet
again.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: That's fine. If you
want to say it that way, that's fine.
COMMISSIONER LoCAST that the motion, or is your
request with the information you'r b 'nging us that you want
permission to issue a smaller in the next couple of weeks or 30
days of 34 or 36? I thin mis-summarizing.
CHAIRMAN McDA L: It was asking the motion maker to
clarify what I was repejking.
COMMISS ER LoCASTRO: Okay.
COMM O R SAUNDERS: And we have 34 people who
don't fit in o th 80 cap.
MR. IAMS: That's right.
SSIONER SAUNDERS: The motion is to issue up to
3 ore permits but not to go -- for that group, and if someone
co in who was eligible from the county but had not applied in that
first 180, you can still issue those, but you cannot exceed 180
permits, period, and so that's the motion.
MR. WILLIAMS: Melissa's whispering in my ear. There
is -- there is one condition that -- you know, so you've got 34 people
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that don't have a permit. You have a couple of folks that have
permits that were grandfathered but want additional permits. You
know, our concern with that is just you're kind of opening the door.
And not to throw that twist at you last minute. I think if you give us
up to 180 and we can accommodate these 34, I think we got wha e
need, so... �+
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: That's the motion.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And that's my and tiding as
the seconder.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Let's cal e es ion.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So we're goi o -- are you clear
on what the motion is? We're going -- w going to allow for the
180 and accommodate those 34 that.ar��yre within that -- and
not exceed 180 before you come NN talk to us.
MR. WILLIAMS: That's co e . I understand.
CHAIRMAN McDANI Are you okay with that,
Commissioner Saunders
MR. WILLIAMS:
COMMISSIONEF,,,.*SAUNDERS: Uh-huh.
CHAIRM cDANIEL: And the seconder okay with that?
COMMO R TAYLOR: That's right.
CHA McDANIEL:
(No r se.)
imAN McDANIEL:
Okay. Any other discussion?
All in favor?
MISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
MMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed, same sign, same sound.
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(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
MR. WILLIAMS: Commissioners, thank you.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: There were a couple other
things, so don't --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We're not done yet. We h
couple other things to talk to you about.
MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, sir. 0
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Sa
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I threw o concept of
valet parking for the noncommercial parking -
MR. WILLIAMS: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: - even for the
commercial parking people. So I'd.li ff to -- if the Board is
in agreement, I'd like for staff to e 1, whether or not valet
parking at our -- at these boat ram accommodate not just
Caxambas but Bayview and o rks where that may be necessary,
just to look at that, repo s to whether that's a feasible thing.
MR. WILLIAMS: , sir.
COMMISSIONEF,,,.*SAUNDERS: Okay. And then as part of
that also, there discussion about signage at one of our parks, an
indication th op just don't know that they can't park their cars in
a trailer p kin of on the weekends. Evaluate what signage is
necessa s t people know what they can and cannot do.
LLIAMS: Absolutely.
MISSIONER SAUNDERS: So that's my second motion.
AIRMAN McDANIEL: Those are all -- we're all in consent
with those as additional directions.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: I wanted to just summarize
my direction.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's not your turn yet. You have to
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hit your light.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Okay.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Would you agree,
Commissioner Saunders and Board, that we just, perhaps, put tha
part under the umbrella of parking and to really examine, nu lAb
one, what can we do to restrict parking? Can we require c ercial
businesses to park off site and allow private individuals Qe the
parking ramps? What legally -- what, legally, can w o that we
look at it?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I don a n problems
with that as long as staff looks at those two iss es 've raised in
addition to that.
MR. WILLIAMS: Understood.
COMMISSIONER TAYLO �, k you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: missioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoC So, Barry, just to summarize,
also take a look at if we ore teeth into the people that pull
up to the docks with expir permits, and they don't manipulate the
systems by just saying,,+ust fine me.
Also, what we do to possibly increase the fines? Thirty
bucks is noth' a op in the bucket. And if it's been 30 bucks for
the last 15 e maybe we need to take a look at it, much like our
boat fees.
sfer of permit, it's different to me if you're transferring a
p Vtour son or daughter or somebody in the family or you're
sepit it to somebody that lives in Fort Lauderdale or in, you know,
Wappinger Falls, Idaho, or something like that. I just think that
there's a big difference to that. So I don't need an answer tomorrow,
but these are things that are, you know, sitting out there.
MR. WILLIAMS: Sure. Gotcha.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And I think mainly, just to
reiterate, we had some really good suggestions from our public
speakers today that are people that are living with this all day every
single day, and they're the ones we need to be listening to and hearing
from you how you can remedy circumstances coming back to us
we don't have to do that higher math ever again.
MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, sir. Understood.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. O
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And one quick It does
appear that, from the testimony of the gentleman hat is going
on at Bayfront [sic] Park, it's not reflected in n rs that you
gave us.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yeah. Alwe have a dockmaster
at Bayview?
MR. WILLIAMS: You do I
a dockmaster at Bayview,
but certainly with the concept, we,;:j ooking at that.
CHAIRMAN McDANI nd when are we going
to -- because I was at Ba n Saturday. It's a mess.
MR. WILLIAMS:
CHAIRMAN Mcl.>A IEL: When are we going to get that
parking done th e did with the enhanced parking up along --
MR. WI A : Facilities Management is working that
project. ey ve a contractor on. They're going to be mobilizing
in the next ys. So that project's well underway.
SSIONER TAYLOR: So I'm wondering, as we go
fo and this is a discussion that -- this is a thing that you need
to at long term as we, perhaps, raise commercial permit fees or
however we do it. I really think as we grow, especially right now,
that we need to look at enforcement. We can make all the rules and
regulations up here, but if it's not enforced on the ground, it's a waste
of time, so...
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MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: The cost of enforcement, the
cost of manpower needs to be factored into this. In an ideal world,
what can we have?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Like Commissioner LoCastro 'd,
you know, when our attendant's standing there arguing with
somebody for 20 minutes and there's a whole bunch of stuf�ng on
behind, it shouldn't be a discussion. Tow truck and off � go.
And you tow a couple of them, and they'll stop doin
MR. WILLIAMS: Absolutely.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Abso e talked
about that.
MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL:
we've accomplished a lot there,
MR. WILLIAMS: Thank
All think we've -- I think
o forward.
CHAIRMAN McDANI Thank you.
COMMISSIONER RS: Mr. Chairman, I know we're
getting towards the end. got a couple items under commission
communications, and yqu know there's no one on this board that
wants to facilita oving meetings along more quickly than I do --
CHAIR cDANIEL: Oh, yeah, exactly. So do you
want to tal e a h break and then come back?
COM IONER SAUNDERS: I've got a couple items that
are g ake a few minutes. We need to take a break. Whether
it, break or not, that's up to you. But we're not going to
fin t 12:30.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: What's you-all's pleasure? I'm
okay if we want to give a court reporter break and come back and
wrap it up early.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Quick break and wrap up,
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because I have some closing things I want to say, too.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Fifteen minutes enough?
THE COURT REPORTER: Ten is fine.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Ten, let's do 15. 12:45.
(A brief recess was had from 12:31 p.m. to 12:45 p.m.)
MR. ISACKSON: Mr. Chairman and Commissioners,
Izll
have a live mic.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: There we go. O
Item # 15
STAFF AND COMMISSION GENERAL CO ICATIONS
MR. ISACKSON: We're onto.
asked Dan Summers to address th
the Governor's press conference
being designated as one of the �
over to Dan, and he can
M-Wcations, Item 15. I've
V %, '."regardingIff
the fallout from
,e issues connected with Collier
clonal sites. So I'll turn it
oard.
MR. SUMMERS: missioners, good afternoon. For the
record, Dan Summers, Director of your Bureau of Emergency
Services and Aiij,,e
cy Management. And I would just say it's
been all hurrson since you've seen me, so I hope my
evaluation,Lepl s that. No.
Just b , to set the framework for you -- and this has been a
bless' use we have certainly been immersed in COVID
o g5e
oTo set the framework for you, Florida Department of
Hof course, Kimberly Kossler, is your local health administer,
aFlorida Division of Emergency Management and your local
emergency manager, which is my team, we are the partners in the
delivery of all the vaccination efforts coming down from the state and
coming from the feds and, of course, those efforts also involve
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everybody in our community that's been such a great partner in the
delivery of vaccines.
Now we're to the point where the Governor has made an
announcement and made resources available -- these are
state -contracted resources -- to open up sites for monoclonal anti dy
therapy. This could be a shot. This could an IV infusion. l
are individuals that are in the early stages of symptomatic d ays of
COVID. O
The Monday before the Governor's press confer late
Monday evening I received the word from the stat this was
going to happen. We have worked nonstop t n s itable site for
this, because you want some degree of isolatio ou want some
degree of traffic flow, et cetera. And weA been -- we've spent a
week and a half working on that.
Some partners came to the to e are in the process of
drafting a lease. It is in the priv t s tor. And I would prefer not
to announce that location at ttuftNnt because that particular
organization would like with us diligently on public releases
and coordination and thos pe of things because of the -- for a
number of reasons. .#
We are stil o getting our certificates of insurance, and the
State Divisio o E rgency Management is still in the process of
negotiatin wi contractor to operate this site. They have a
number of actors. So we hope to have contractor selection in a
day
Masker for Emergency Management here, my responsibility
to 1 find a site. Collier County will lease the site. We have been
offered an incredible rate. And if you will remember back in
September, you authorized the County Manager and set aside funds
for us to quickly execute a site license or a site lease just in case.
So the wheels are turning. We're negotiating the lease. There
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is not yet any monoclonal antibody therapy resources that have
arrived by federal allocation to the state of Florida yet. So we are
not -- there's no product on the -- on the dock, so to speak. And we
hope that we'll have some type of engagement with that product early
next week.
Additionally, when we open the site, remember, certainl
office and our other partners will liaison. It will be a contr r
operation. It will be by appointment only, and all the np�eleases,
public information management will come through F
Department of Health.
So that's a quick update as to where we a 're working
hard. We'll get that site identified, get the I's t ed, T's crossed.
We'll liaison with the local contractor. , a ain, Florida
Department of Health Collier and my ' 1 continue to work
together, and we'll do our best to good job to make those
resources available.
CHAIRMAN McDANI ommissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER Just a quick question. The
time that this clinic will b en is determined by the state, correct?
MR. SUMMERS:**That is correct. The timing,
typically -- and, in, we've not seen the contractor. We don't
know the sco ically, it's been anywhere from 8:00 to 6:00
Monday t ou aturday.
COM IONER TAYLOR: But for how long? What
durati
SUMMERS: The planning assumption right now is a
V operation.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay.
MR. SUMMERS: That may be -- could certainly fluctuate
based on demand.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It is kind of fluid. We had that
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facility in Immokalee, and they closed it down because there wasn't
sufficient --
MR. SUMMERS: Very fluid.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: -- utilization. So it is very fluid.
Commissioner LoCastro.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Dan, just while we h
here, switch gears a little bit. Emergency Operations Cent st
time I was there and you and I were talking, there were
upgrades that were on the -- first of all, you had goFe
e
impressive things post Irma that were great, the veand all of
that. The air condition of the warehouse, a f oher things,
what's the latest on all that? What's been don a d what's still on the
list to do in our Emergency Operations C er updates?
MR. SUMMERS: Commission you. And, again, I
want to keep this in the appropriat nd discussion. But the
ESC east bay enclosure was one o r surtax projects. I think
the -- Ed reported that that's a ercent design.
COMMISSIONER RO: Okay.
MR. SUMMERS: think we're in the process of bringing
that back to you for priong and/or contracting pending some other
discussions fro e County Manager. So we're about 95,
98 percent in e ign I have been programming that space for
supplies a d e . ment and been borrowing space and, you know,
doing som asional rentals, and we continue to have -- again, with
this r event, we, too, will probably have commodity coming
t ere, so...
MMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Any equipment that we've
purc ased already that just still hasn't arrived? Anything you're
waiting on to add to your inventory or --
MR. SUMMERS: I do have a lot -- a fair number of items in
the grant queue right now, but nothing that's impacting operations.
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COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Okay.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Back on the monoclonal.
MR. SUMMERS: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Any idea as to when we're going to
effectuate the lease arrangement time -wise, plus minus?
MR. SUMMERS: It's my goal -- both parties, both the
owner -- and Michael Dowling is working on that today wite
County Attorney's Office. So I'm hoping that we have Oe
executed or ready for the County Manager to execute r your
previous approval by the end of the week. We've the
contractor to -- at least in state discussions w ' ai n for sometime
next week, maybe with a soft opening. And I a t o stress again, it
is by appointment so that we can manage ffi .
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: VYe -- and the reason I'm
asking is the media (inaudible) th or's press conference, and
I'm sure you all have been asked a 1. I've been pinged a couple
of times. So I just wanted to eI*m little bit of certainty with
timeline, so...
MR. SUMMERS: ' e doing our best. And, again, lots
of -- lots of domin es tVline up here to get this to operate --
CHAIRM cDANIEL: Sure. Thank you.
MR. SU E . -- appropriately. Thank you all for the
support.
CHA N McDANIEL: Any other questions?
onse.)
IRMAN McDANIEL: Nope, all good.
R. ISACKSON: Commissioners, if I can, just two minutes
before we get to the dais. I just wanted to -- if I could hit the right
button here. I just wanted to lay out for the Board something that I
handed out on my one-on-one sessions with you. Just two dates,
please, if I can. January 24th is your joint Tourism Development
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Council.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: You might need a microphone.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah, if you could grab that
microphone there.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Behind you, I think.
MR. MILLER: It's on the dais. It's on the podium. �►
MR. ISACKSON: We'll do it right.
Thanks, John. Thank you. Testing. O
All right. January 24th is the scheduled -- and it's on
each of your calendars -- is a scheduled meeting w' Tourist
Development Council at the Tourist Develop t u cil's regular
January meeting. So just a notation there.
And the other thing that I'd like fort Board to consider, we
don't have to discuss it today, but it'd t s workshop items that
were talked about at the Decembe g. I'd like the Board to
give some thought as to scope, c e , and dates which I provided
for you on the bottom there. e can talk about this. I can put
it on the next agenda un unications and give everybody a
chance to have a look at i .
I will make one ng)e that typically your CRA workshop is either
in April or May. he last couple of years it's been either in April or
May. So we ld old those dates off for the CRA workshop and
then work 4rou for March, June, et cetera.
That's ad to say on that, but I wanted at least to give
eve eads-up on the workshop, and that we'll be talking a
li about that when going forward.
QC AIRMAN McDANIEL: When? Are you going to come
UP --
MR. ISACKSON: Next meeting.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Are you going to come up with
some dates and propose them to us?
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MR. ISACKSON: Well, I think what I'd like for the Board to
do is give some thought to the workshop topics that I've listed up on
top, and what's the prioritization, because -- and do you want to have
workshops every month? Because you could. This board could
take every month and have a workshop. So that's your priority
what topics will be discussed certainly, and how often do you vit to
have these workshops.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right. O
MR. ISACKSON: So that's, I think, somethinjdo-out that
the Board would have between now and, let's say, th meeting
of January.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So you wan o ave it as an actual
agenda item, or do you want to -- what's t Board's pleasure? Do
you want to converse with the Cou%ty r individually? I
mean, because, you know, today ve been a perfect day on a
light agenda, but we don't necessa now when our light agendas
are. If we scheduled our wor s on the same day as our board
meeting, we're already h of sort of planning on utilizing our
time. And I'd like to brin little formality to it and have a --
MR. ISACKSON:.,* ell, if you want to have that discussion,
feel free, becaus our light agendas are over, I will tell you that,
going forwar .
CHA McDANIEL: Okay. So these are extra meetings
other than er than our normal county commission meetings.
CKSON: It's the Board's pleasure in terms of if you
w ve that discussion now or you want to -- because you've
alr got January wrapped up, because you're going to have your
joint TDC board workshop on the 24th. Then it becomes, are you
going to do anything in February or March knowing that your CRA
workshops are in either April or May. Most likely April.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And we usually have those the
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same day.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: The CRAs the same day.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All right. Commissioner
LoCastro has a comment, and then Commissioner Solis.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Well, I can help a littb,
here, so -- and this will be part of my closing comments, or will
be my closing comments. O
Yesterday I chaired the Affordable Housing Ad
Committee, as I do every month. Had a really gr eting, several
hours long. You met Joe Trachtenberg. He' u chairman,
and we also moved around a few people and e wered a few more.
It was a -- it was a well -attended meeting ell over 100 percent, and
I say that because I had invited some c' ' e some who you heard
from at our last meeting at our po t were talking about the
struggles they have with rent an not. A few of them took up
our invitation to actually com ave us really great, valuable
information.
Also, the news medi d been reaching out to me over the last
few days about aff rdaV housing. I invited all of them to attend,
and all three, W News, NBC-2, and Fox was there at our meeting
and also inte i we e afterwards.
We d n't 'eve we need an Affordable Housing Committee
worksho of our longer meeting yesterday is we had a Zoom
with e dable housing team in Tallahassee who was educating
o �, and what we all -- you know, in the interest of time, but
als o, to get down to the meat of what we need to have here, we
believe we can just add something as an agenda item, have
Mr. Trachtenberg come in here and give a presentation of what we're
working on, what our challenges are, educate the commissioners here
a little bit, rumor from fact, how we're working closely with the state,
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and it could just be, you know, a semi brief presentation, ask
questions or whatnot, and we think, you know, that would be
sufficient to just give a presentation overview.
So, anyway, I had something else I wanted to close with, but
maybe I'll reengage. But I think to make sure that we know the
difference between something on the agenda and workshop. el
like an agenda item would cover what we all need to hear, iu
agree. O
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It would be more 've if we
had an agenda item in the future in that regard.
Commissioner Solis.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Well, that w s oing to be,
actually -- in terms of prioritizing what wVIVshops we're going to
have, I was going to put that as nuq e ut if it's -- you want
to do it as an agenda item, that's fi NNhink that's a high priority.
The other one I would like to o ince -- because we didn't have
one last year is another menta h workshop. I think so much has
happened in terms of the c plan that I think it's time that we sit
down and get an update a figure out, you know, what's next, what's
on the horizon, an hoVcan we update the plan if that's what's
needed.
And I w op g that we could schedule that one maybe for
June. I t k 's when we had the first one, and it just seemed like
it worked or the stakeholders.
e other priority was, I would say, stormwater, the CRAs.
A e do we traditionally have workshops with the municipalities
ev ear?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: COVID has thrown me for a loop.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No, not -- it's not always
COVID but, no, we haven't. We had a very interesting and
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memorable one with the City of Naples and have not had one since
then, so it's time.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: It was so memorable, I can't even
remember it.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'm not sure you were even ith
us, but you may have. �+
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: He was. I was here.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. O
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I was here. We hiscussion
about the -- that's when they were thinking about
residents for parking in the City of Naples --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Beach parki g
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL:
discussion about that, so...
COMMISSIONER SOLIS:
COMMISSIONER
COMMISSIONER SOL
remember that.
g our county
e had a nice
�fso now you remember.
do remember that. I do
Yeah, I don't know iNyou know, if that's something we want
to revisit. But tho e an the priorities that -- I would say the mental
health first or se d, stormwater with hurricane season, and the
CRAB after t ec se -- and maybe the CR -- I don't know, tying
the CRAB ith ordable housing, I don't know if there's a reason to
do that or n ut...
AN McDANIEL: No. Just -- I think we already
p h, personally -- I don't mean to jump in ahead of you.
MMISSIONER TAYLOR: No.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: But we already do the CRAs in
May. Just keep doing them in May. And we do both the CRAs in
the same day. So those folks are all in and out, and we do their
thing, so -- and, you know, I like Commissioner LoCastro's idea of
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doing an -- having an actual agenda item for the affordable housing,
because then we could take a vote and not just sit around and talk
about it.
So, Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Well, I think with affordab
housing, I think that's very important, but I also think we need i
understand that -- whether or not we have staff that's goin ring
ULI in here for an update to the affordable housing pro 0 I heard
somehow that was supposed to happen, and I'm not s Szat it is.
So I need to -- we need to understand that.
But also, as affordable -- as we are movi o ar in this very,
very hot real estate market, we really need to g ery real time on
what's going on and how to address it. T e's just -- this isn't -- this
isn't planning for 10 years from now.. what is going on.
How can we change it, or what ca
And I have challenged at leas t o people in the development
community to come back and what it's going to take. I mean,
it's that kind of conversa ' at's it going to take for you to stop
building? What kind of 1 ntives do you want in order to stop
building market rate an.4build affordable housing? Because they're
building. And ' actually meeting with a development community
this week. S w go forward, it certainly can be discussed at a
meeting.
But, g men, growth management. My, my, my. Are we
Willi ep approving developments that triple the density over
t ehensive Plan? Are we willing to -- or are we -- in my
op , what we need to do is have a robust discussion. If we want
to change our Comprehensive Plan, great, but let's have the public
come in. Let's have an open conversation about it and then decide
what do we want for the next 10, 15 years for this community. And
it's a big discussion. It's a touchy discussion, but I think that one is
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probably right there with me.
Stormwater management, I think it would be an informative
workshop to discuss what we're actually doing with stormwater in
this community and what needs to be done, because it's going to
become a topic. It's always retroactive, right? People flood, an we
come in. But let's look at this and understand it from, I gues
Deputy County Manager Patterson's point of view where w y
dig into what we've done, what we're planning on doin zh we're
doing it, and what -- what are we looking at going fo
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, maybe u ormwater we
could do a presentation by staff as opposed to e ' e workshop on
it and just get that update, because I know we o riated -- in the
ever -popular sales tax, we appropriated e owards stormwater
and so on and so forth, both in mainte d in capital. So
maybe we just have a sooner -than t' enda item where staff does
a presentation with regard to sto er, and that will take care of
that. A.�
COMMISSIONER Y�D�Z: Yeah, I think we borrow the
money. But, yes, yes, I t it's very important to talk about it.
CHAIRMAN Mcl.)A IEL: Commissioner Solis.
COMMISS ER SOLIS: Actually, this will just be my
communicati to , but I pushed the button over here because of
what Com iss er Taylor was bringing up.
And I ght I heard something today when we were talking
abou ax, and Mr. Trachtenberg brought it up again, that
t ds that are earmarked for the land trust that are not in the
la t st yet. And if not -- and I was kind of under the impression
that it was. But if not, I think this is -- probably our biggest crisis of
the moment is we need to be ready to do something. I don't know
what that something is, but we need to be ready. And if the money's
not in there, I think we ought to just start funding the land trust.
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That's what we said we were going to do.
MR. ISACKSON: Maybe talking about the 20 million that's
been allocated as part of the sales tax, and what's the program for
that? Do we go out and buy property? Do we engage a develo er
to build? I think that's the conversation.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, is it allocated specifi 1 or
the land trust, or is it allocated to assist with housing afford ty?
MR. ISACKSON: The latter. O
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So it is not specifi the land
trust per se. It's designated for housing affordabili ow, there
was -- there was, I thought, a line item in ther r ousing trust.
I thought there was at one time.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: The s.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDEP�S: what I thought it was.
COMMISSIONER TAYLO , that's what it is.
MR. ISACKSON: I'm sorr orkforce Housing Land Trust
Fund.
CHAIRMAN McD Right. And if it isn't being
allocated, then we need to ve that discussion and make sure that it
is up on the list of riorJAies and not held to the end. I mean, we've
got -- again, wh ou're behind, you're behind. And we've got the
appropriated 0 ' lion. It's where are the priorities for the
expenditur o se funds.
I kno ave committed some money with the Schulze
Fou t nd the Community Foundation for the project over at the
g e at 951, and I'm not sure if that's part of that 20 million or
no f that's outside.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I don't think it is. That's
already funded, and we already own the land, so...
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And I bring this up because I have
been contacted by a developer that's already here that -- you know,
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wondering if we have thought of what we're going to do with that,
because they are ready to do more housing with significant affordable
numbers, but the land costs keep going up. So we have to figure out
a way to incentivize that. And, you know, if there's 20 million that's
earmarked for that, let's figure out a way to make that happen so N
rather than later. t1
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, I guess to me the 29
question is is who picks the priorities of the priorities th t
established for the allotment of the sales tax revenue?
hasn't been -- on a proportionate share been goin
there's another level of priority out there. 14%
MR. ISACKSON: I think you're talking
standpoint. We don't have a cash flow issue i
probably never will when you start 10
we get in every month and that th(V
d if that
^N1 of the slots,
oorn a cash flow
it now, so -- and
w much collections
ions will probably run
through the next two fiscal years �"
So even with Vanderbilt Road, we don't have a cash flow
issue. So the sooner de an be made regarding the land trust
and what you want to do that particular dollar value, whether it's
developer incentiv s, wkether it's direct county, I mean, it's a
question, I thin r the Board, and it's probably something that staff,
through our in olks, need to probably present some options to
you throu m e vetting it through the Affordable Housing
Commissio st before it comes back to the Board.
SSIONER SOLIS: Sooner rather than later.
McDANIEL: Commissioner Saunders.
MMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And this is kind of a
question. But let's say tomorrow Commissioner McDaniel identifies
a piece of property that would be perfect for this and the developer,
and they need $10 million from this land trust fund, and we don't
have -- we have zero in there. I believe we could borrow from our
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other funds and then pay it back. So timing is not going to be a
problem. We have resources to expedite something and pay it back
is the point.
MR. ISACKSON: That's right. We have flexibility. I like to
use the term.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And the other part of th'
equation is we do have a provision that requires developers
come in market rate to -- if they want to increase densit think it's
10 percent. I think we kind of backed into this very
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I think th en raised to
20 percent now.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Well, I'd t see it more, and
I can tell you why. We can't keep -- we 't keep ignoring the fact
that we have people moving out of tki nity because they can't
live here.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: e s stay -- we can't go -- you're
certainly welcome to say wha ou would like to say, but I don't
want to get down a deba -
COMMISSIONER YLOR: I'm not netting a debate on it.
I'm just --
(Simultane crosstalk.)
CHAIR cDANIEL: -- on regulating a percentage of
affordable ou ' to be dictated upon.
COM IONER TAYLOR: Well, that's a discussion we
need I'm --
i ltaneous crosstalk.)
AIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, let's have it at the
appropriate time, not today.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: But that is a discussion we need
to have because, obviously, the more we allow this to continue, the
more people like principals of schools will tell you that they can't
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stay here because the rents are increasing. When you have someone
living in a -- the Chamber sent me this letter from Ricciardelli's
office, a principal wrote her and said, I love being here. I have a
child. I'm paying $1,500 a month; 1,565 I think it was. I've just
been noticed that to stay here for another year the rent is going u o
2,600. I'm not going to be able to stay here. This is going -- s
happening across our county and other counties, too. So it,
problem that I'm pleased that we're going to start lookin t®.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I agree we should.
Commissioner Solis.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: So -- and t w e the last thing
that I'm going to say, is, so can we have a cons n s, or is there a
consensus to ask staff to come back with recommendations of
how to implement some, you know, inged
V, or whatever it is,
through the land trust so that we'r to start making things
happen so that the developers kno at we're ready to make things
happen and they're not waitin r e future, that they can start
factoring that into their
CHAIRMAN McDA L: Can you do that by our next
meeting?
MR. ISAC ON: That might be a tall ask, but why don't you
give me the f s me ing in February; how about that?
CHA McDANIEL: How do you like that?
COM IONER SOLIS: Yes.
SSIONER TAYLOR: I think we'd have to go to
A o. AHAC would have to look at it.
AIRMAN McDANIEL: When does AHAC meet?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: AHAC will meet this -- I'm sorry.
Go ahead. Don't they meet this --
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: Well, we just met yesterday,
so -- we meet once a month. So it's the first -- what is it, the second
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Monday of every month, I believe.
MR. ISACKSON: Well, maybe if you want to --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Maybe the second meeting in
February after you've had time to pile it up and bring it to AHAC and
then come to our board.
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO:
And when they brief
it won't just be Joe Trachtenberg. It will be our staff as w
talked about a good strategy to, you know, maximize the i
and not maximum time.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL:
Taylor -- Commissioner Taylor suggested b
before it actually comes to us to get --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah4
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL:
second meeting in February will a
be looking at to have an agenda itE
decisions on what we're going j*�c
%anct we
entation
ve a time -certain for us to
;kihd actually make some
with that. And, again,,"
thought if somebody has ient mouse trap, we do have
flexibility, as our County IW#nager likes to say, so...
All right. So ougot something else on the workshop idea?
COMMISS ER SAUNDERS: No, no. I thought you were
�ettin� ready ino on. No, I've just got a couple items.
McDANIEL: County Manager had two.
ON: So we have the TDC in January.
McDANIEL: Right.
[SIR
And Commissioner Solis has suggested the
:shop in June.
t.HAIKIVIAIN McDANIEL:
Fine.
MR. ISACKSON: And we've got two items that we're going to
bring back to you, to the Board, one's stormwater, and the other one
is an affordable housing/workforce housing report to the Board, so
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that's my understanding right now.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And then the CRAs are in May.
MR. ISACKSON: The CRAs are April/May. April slash
May.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. One or the other. Do
them both in one or the other. So that really only leaves the
and the city workshops.
MR. ISACKSON: GMP. O
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You want to try togoth the
municipalities on the same day; have one in the m and one in
the afternoon?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Sure.
MR. ISACKSON: And what woul the timeline for that be?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Ijo like March?
MR. ISACKSON: We can r to see if that could be
accomplished.
CHAIRMAN McDANI ow do you like March? March.
Let's try for -- let's try fo orkshops in the month of March.
You've got it on March 1 s ut I'm assuming it's fluid as well, so...
And then -- I mear,0 of er that, it's not all. It is something that
needs to be disc ed. We have to have a discussion about our
GMP, so -- a 'm t sure -- I mean, we have a GMP. I'm -- I
would be qLay ith having that discussion after we come back from
our summe Vak, assuming I can't induce you to work through the mftl
MISSIONER TAYLOR: No, I would rather not do that.
E we have to put it on an agenda item, I think we need to
address it. Yeah, I think it would be very helpful for the community
to know where we're going with it.
The amount of small-scale and large-scale amendments to the
Comprehensive Plan in the year 2020, of all the issues that came
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before us was 44 percent; 44 percent of everything coming before us
was to amend the Comprehensive Plan for increased density. It's
time.
MR. ISACKSON: I'll have a conversation with Mike Bosi, and
we'll bring a -- we'll bring an item back to the Board, and if the4NO
d
decides that there's more additional information that's require ,
we can go from there into a workshop setting if that's appro te.
But let's start with the report to the Board.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And the GMP?
MR. ISACKSON: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And wit e -- with the
City of Naples discussion, I really would like i o focus on the
beaches.
MR. ISACKSON: Well, we den' as I recall in the years
I've been here, they generally co, h a -- we come up with a
joint agenda.
CHAIRMAN McDANI fight.
MR. ISACKSON: certainly -- I'm sure that that will
be one item on the agenda.
COMMISSIONEI�#TAYLOR: It will be.
CHAIRM cDANIEL: Well, I like that idea as far as the
management e P as an actual agenda item, and then we
can -- and en can -- if we need to go off into a workshop, we
can. So at that will bring the subject matter up for discussion.
CKSON: That's all I had, Commissioners.
IRMAN McDANIEL: That's all you had?
ow about our County Attorney? No infinite wisdom for the
ayr
MR. KLATZKOW: None, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Commissioner Solis?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Nothing from me.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: LoCastro?
COMMISSIONER LoCASTRO: No.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner -- I'm going to hold
Commissioner Saunders till last because he said he had some
important things.
Commissioner Taylor? �►
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Nothing.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I do have a cou loems.
The first, in reference to the workforce training facili had
donated to the county that piece of property on Go ate
Parkway, that big white building, which is pr b t ardown, but I
don't know if that property would be suitable omething like a
workforce training facility, so I wanted to * st kind of throw that out
as a possible location. We own the.la 've got plenty of
parking there. And so if staff co a look at that as a possible
location since the other building f art.
COMMISSIONER TAY That's a good idea.
COMMISSIONER RS: Number two, Mike Dalby
had suggested that we sta tting up some signs on some of our
construction projects t* say "paid for by," and I think that that's a
good idea. I've n that in a lot of communities, and I think that
helps people ers nd they may be paying a little bit more in sales
tax, but it' of to some very major important items. So I would
throw that , ' f the Board has no objection --
AN McDANIEL: Absolutely.
MISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- to have staff take a look at
'COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I agree.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: All right. And the third
item, and the more difficult one I saved for last. Obviously, we've
gotten the letter from the Manager indicating his imminent
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retirement, and well understood. We have essentially five months
between now and the time that that occurs, and we need to start the
process of determining how we're going to fill the spot of County
Manager.
I don't want to -- we don't need to have a discussion today, tse
we do need to put this on an agenda pretty quickly, and I wou c+
suggest certainly to have a discussion at our next meeting o at is
the -- what are the alternatives. How do we want to pr e to select
a new county manager. Five months sounds like a 1 ime, but it
will go by quickly. And so I think we should util' So I would
ask the Board to place on the agenda for disc 'o o we want to
proceed to fill that spot.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I agrathat
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR:, I
MR. ISACKSON: We'll m , there's an agenda item
on your next meeting for that, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANI nd if you can with that -- with
regard to that -- because e spoke yesterday or before, you
talked about a secession p and I know most of it's swimming
around in your head, soonaybe we could get an idea as to that process
so we can have be --
MR. IS S We can paraphrase in a framework and give
you some ti regarding how the Board might want to proceed
with choos y successor, so...
AN McDANIEL: Okay.
MISSIONER SAUNDERS: And I would suggest
th -- obviously, the Chairman and the managers kind of set the
mee ing, but I would suggest that you put that as an item late in the
afternoon or towards the end -- at the end of the meeting --
MR. ISACKSON: A time -certain item.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: It could be that, but I mean, I
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just think at the end of the meeting is probably better than at the
beginning for something like that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Sure. When it occurs really is
irrelevant as long as we get -- as long as we get the ball rolling. And
then, you know, you and I talked about communication's nine-te�Nv
of the law, and the sooner we get it out -- and then --because
the issues -- this isn't -- this isn't like our private life where 1 just
go in the back and make decisions and then bring it fo d. We
can't legally talk about these things unless the TV's o Terri's
writing down all my misspoken words. So havin discussion
sooner than later, I think, will help all of us.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I do have o ething.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No, no already called on you.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR:. n Melo wrote a bill
that talked about supporting the m H�i al removal of vegetation,
specifically with Lake Okeechobe t the idea that this is
something we need to explore e tate needs to explore. They have
a -- they have a Senate sbn this. I'd like to see if there is an
agreement up here to sup her bill, because I think it's very, very
important. In fact --
CHAIRM cDANIEL: We already did a resolution on that
last year.
CO I NER TAYLOR: Not on mechanical --
CHA N McDANIEL: Absolutely.
SSIONER TAYLOR: -- supporting Lauren Melo's
by
AIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, we didn't -- we did a
reso ution in supporting the shift from the spraying mechanism for
weed eradication and debris eradication to mechanized extraction.
We did that, but not -- and that was what Lauren and I talked about
that precipitated the creation of this actual bill that she's bringing
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forward, so...
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So I would like to see if we
could have that because on -- in February we're going to
Tallahassee -- I'm not going to be part of it -- and I'd like to see if the
folks going up there would be willing to carry that letter.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'm going to be goin
there, and I don't have any problem with that, but before m that
decision, I have to see the bill. O
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yeah, I'd like to re
(Simultaneous crosstalk.)
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I've got' o fice. I'll
give it to you.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: we have another
meeting coming up in January, so we my of time to jump on
it, but I've got to see what the bill '
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Q s actually have a discussion, a
quick agenda item on our sec eting in January with that bill
being part of the agenda he public can look at it and input as
well.
MR. ISACKSON ..,# I dould have Mr. Mullins send a one-way
communication think he has the bill structure -- to each board
member, and 11 place it. I'll have John put together a little
tutorial for the and on the 25th.
CHA N McDANIEL: Perfect. It hasn't been through
com t or anything, so I mean, it's just -- it's going to change.
MISSIONER SAUNDERS: We have time.
MMISSIONER TAYLOR: Well, it's interesting that we are
now 7starting to go back to the future and using mechanical removal in
appropriate places throughout Collier County for stormwater plants
and things that are in the canals where appropriate.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We finally came up with a --
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Back to the future.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So anything else for the good of
the order?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: If not, we are adjourned.
0
""Commissioner * *Commissioner McDaniel moved, seconded by CAaissioner
Solis and carried that the following items un Consent and
Summary Agendas be approved and/or aft *i
Item # 16A 1 IF
RELEASING A CODE ENFO01ON
LIEN WITH AN
ACCRUED VALUE OF $66,1PAYMENT OF $1,550 IN
THE CODE ENFORCEMEN TITLED BOARD OF
COUNTY COMMISSI
MONTERO, TOMAS B.
RELATING TO P
COLLIER COIA
Item # 16A;
. RAFAEL BARRIOS
REYES, AND RICARDO ABRIL,
OP)iRTY LOCATED AT 1281 25TH ST SW,
Y, FLORIDA
CLE OURTS TO RELEASE A PERFORMANCE BOND
MOUNT OF $155,062 WHICH WAS POSTED AS A
G NTY FOR EXCAVATION PERMIT NUMBER
PL2 200001219 FOR WORK ASSOCIATED WITH VENTANA
POINTE
Item # 16A3
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RESOLUTION 2022-001: FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF PRIVATE
ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE
FINAL PLAT OF GOLF CLUB OF THE EVERGLADES PHASE 1,
APPLICATION NUMBER PL20140001653, AND AUTHORI
THE RELEASE OF THE MAINTENANCE SECURITY IN Tom+
AMOUNT OF $699,615.37
Item # 16A4
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF SEWER UTILI
SPRINGS AT HAMMOCK COVE PHASE 3,`
AND AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MA&G
DESIGNEE,
RELEASE THE
SECURITY (UPS) AND FINAL
TOTAL AMOUNT OF $7,898.1
OR THE DEVELOPER'S DE94
Item # 16A5
TIES FOR
90002127,
ER, OR HIS
PERFORMANCE
TION BOND IN THE
PROJECT ENGINEER
FINAL ACCEPE OF POTABLE WATER AND SEWER
UTILITY Ft��,I SAND ACCEPT THE CONVEYANCE OF A
PORTIO OF' 3E POTABLE WATER AND SEWER UTILITY
FACILITI R THE 7-ELEVEN #38985 GREENWAY,
1 -I rlTlj
It� 6A6
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE POTABLE WATER FACILITIES,
AND ACCEPT THE CONVEYANCE OF THE POTABLE WATER
FACILITIES FOR THE POINTE AT FOUNDERS SQUARE,
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PL20210001958
Item # 16A7
RESOLUTION 2022-002: FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE
PRIVATE ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMEN
AND ACCEPTANCE OF THE PLAT DEDICATIONS, F E
FINAL PLAT OF LEGACY ESTATES, APPLICATIO MBER
PL20140002627 AND APPLICATION NUMBER P 0001803,
AND, AND AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE OF T
MAINTENANCE SECURITY IN THE AM F $53 700.85
Item # 16A8
RECORDING THE MINOR FIN
BARBARA, APPLICATION N
Item # 16A9
RECORDING T
ORANGE BLO
PL20210000 ]i',
CONSTR
APPROV.
T OF ALTIS SANTA
R PL20210001774
�y'
FINAL PLAT OF CAMBRIDGE PARK AT
M (APPLICATION NUMBER
►PROVAL OF THE STANDARD FORM
N AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AND
THE PERFORMANCE SECURITY IN THE
644.292.28
AN EXTENSION FOR COMPLETION OF REQUIRED
SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH
ESPLANADE GOLF AND COUNTRY CLUB OF NAPLES
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PHASE 2 (PL20120002897) SUBDIVISION PURSUANT TO
SECTION 10.02.05 C.2 OF THE COLLIER COUNTY LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE (LDC)
Item #16A11
AN EXTENSION FOR COMPLETION OF REQUIRED
SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WLJO
ESPLANADE GOLF AND COUNTRY CLUB OF NAXES
BLOCKS E AND G2 (PL20140002187) SUBDIVAJIQN
PURSUANT TO SECTION 10.02.05 C.2 OF O LIER
COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE i
Item # 16A 12
RESOLUTION 2022-003: W
IF THE OPTIONAL LOCAL
PUBLIC HEARING PURSU��113'O SECTION 190.046(1)(D)3.,
FLORIDA STATUTES BOUNDARY AMENDMENT
PETITION SUBMITTE FIDDLER'S CREEK COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT / �D�IST►RI T #1 TO THE FLORIDA LAND AND
WATER ADJU1drirATORY COMMISSION
Item # 16
3
G CARRY FORWARD FUNDING FOR THE
METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION
(" ") IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,746.24, EARNED FROM THE
FY 020/21 TRANSPORTATION DISADVANTAGED
PLANNING GRANT, AND TO APPROVE ALL RELATED
NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENTS
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Item # 16A 14
RECOGNIZING AND ACCEPTING REVENUE FOR COLLIER
AREA TRANSIT BUS SHELTERS IN THE AMOUNT OF $73,844
AND TO APPROVING ALL NECESSARY BUDGET
AMENDMENTS Id c;
Item #16A15 �O
RESOLUTION 2022-004: MEMORIALIZING AORANDUM
OF AGREEMENT (MOA) FM #449463-1-9 TWEEN
FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORITT (FDOT) AND
COLLIER COUNTY, WHERE FDOT W OVIDE THE
COUNTY WITH CONNECTED V� QUIPMENT AND
SOFTWARE FOR MONITORING FIC CONDITIONS AND
PROVIDING MESSAGES TO
INTERSECTIONS ON STA
VELING PUBLIC AT 19
ADS WITHIN COLLIER
COUNTY. FDOT HASTIA0 XWED THIS PROJECT IN ITS FIVE-
YEAR WORK PROGRA DESCRIBED AS 'COLLIER COUNTY
CONNECTED TRAVVE INFORMATION SYSTEM' IN THE
AMOUNT NAMORIALIZING
XCEED $496,000, AND EXECUTE A
RESOLUTI , THE BOARD'S ACTION
Item # 16A
G THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN A USE
MENT BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT OF
ONMENTAL PROTECTION — DIVISION OF STATE
LANDS AND COLLIER COUNTY IN RELATION TO ITB NO.
21-7935 "WIGGINS PASS AND DOCTORS PASS DREDGE 2021-
2022" ALLOWING THE PLACEMENT OF DREDGED SAND
January 11, 2022
ONTO DELNOR WIGGINS STATE PARK BEACH, PER THE
STATE' S REQUEST (PROJECT NO. 80288)
Item # 16A 17
BUDGET AMENDMENTS TO REALLOCATE FUNDS, I
AMOUNT OF $8,535,606, WITHIN THE GROWTH
MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT STORMWATER B FUND_
(327)
Item # 16A 18
FINAL RANKING FOR REQUEST FO
SERVICES ("RPS") NO. 21-7862,
WITH KIMLEY-HORN AND AWO
PROFESSIONAL ENG
AIRPORT ROAD WID
BEACH ROAD (CR862
COUNTY PROJECT N
AGREEMENT CtjN Bfr, B
CONSIDERAT
Item # 16A19
RCIFESSIONAL
�LVIN NEGOTIATIONS
k ES, INC., TO PERFORM
VICES FOR THE
JECT FROM VANDERBILT
kayMOKALEE ROAD (CR846),
IER 60190, SO THAT A PROPOSED
OUGHT BACK FOR THE BOARD'S
LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT AT
ULARLY SCHEDULED DAYTIME HEARINGS AND
G THE NIGHTTIME HEARING REQUIREMENT
Item # 16C 1
AN AGREEMENT FOR SALE AND PURCHASE WITH CAROL
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A. DESSING, FOR 1.14 ACRES UNDER THE CONSERVATION
COLLIER LAND ACQUISITION PROGRAM AT A COST NOT
TO EXCEED $19,500. (CONSERVATION COLLIER TRUST
FUND 172
Item # 16C2
A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND RELEASE
DOUGLAS N. HIGGINS, INC. AND AUTHO
ISSUE A PURCHASE ORDER IN THE AMO
IN SATISFACTION OF ALL CLAIMS ON
FORCE MAIN EXTENSION PHASE 1 PROJ
WASTEWATER USER CAPITAL FUNB k41
70044
OFF TO
$831350.00
KSIDE
), PROJECT NO.
Item #16C3
AN AGREEMENT FO ND PURCHASE WITH
MERCEDES CABRERA, MARRIED WOMAN, FOR 9.16
ACRES UNDER THE VONSERVATION COLLIER LAND
ACQUISITION OGRAM AT A COST NOT TO EXCEED
$115,650. (CASE ATION COLLIER TRUST FUND 172)
Item # 16
TMENDMENT TO AGREEMENT NO. 18-7429 FOR
S ITY SERVICES WITH UNIVERSAL PROTECTION
SE R ICE, LLC TO EXTEND THE CURRENT TERM OF
SERVICE, MAKE MINISTERIAL REVISIONS TO
PERFORMANCE CRITERIA, AND TO ADJUST THE FEE
SCHEDULE FOR THE RENEWAL TERM OF THE AGREEMENT
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($148,360, FUND NUMBER 001-122255)
Item # 16D 1
AN EXEMPTION FROM THE COMPETITIVE PROCESS AS'�T
FORTH IN THE PROCUREMENT ORDINANCE FOR ���
SUBSCRIPTION TO FLIPSTER, NOVELIST PLUS, AND
NOVELIST SELECT, PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE RED
THROUGH EBSCO, FOR LIBRARY PATRON US AN
AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $150,000 PER FIQ, EAR, AS
BUDGETED WITHIN GENERAL FUND 0
Item # 16D2 5 ICY
ACCEPTING TWO (2) LIBRAR � T DONATIONS, ONE
FROM THE HSI-YANG WU ME IAL FUND THROUGH
THE BRANCH COUNTY C ITY FOUNDATION IN THE
AMOUNT OF $500, A ROM THE KIRSCH
MCLAUGHLIN TRUST ROUGH THE FIDELITY
CHARITABLE GRANS P OGRAM IN THE AMOUNT OF $100,
FOR THE GENIAL SUPPORT OF THE COLLIER COUNTY
PUBLIC LIBR4%RNN'(PUBLIC SERVICES GRANT FUND 709)
Item # 16D
IRIZING THE CHAIRPERSON TO SIGN THREE (3)
GAGE SATISFACTIONS FOR THE STATE HOUSING
TIVES PARTNERSHIP LOAN PROGRAM IN THE
AMOUNT OF $63,000 AND APPROVE THE ASSOCIATED
BUDGET AMENDMENTS TO APPROPRIATE REPAYMENT
AMOUNTS TOTALING $63,000 WITHIN SHIP GRANT FUND
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(791)
Item # 16D4
AUTHORIZING THE CHAIRPERSON TO SIGN THREE
EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANT AGREEMENTS WI
COLLIER COUNTY: 1) NAMI COLLIER COUNTY, IN—.,
(INCREASES AWARD BY $200,000), 2) THE SHEL OR
ABUSED WOMEN & CHILDREN, INC., (NO FUNS
CHANGE), AND 3) THE HUNGER & HOMEL ALITION,
INC., (DECREASES AWARD $200,000) F ISTRATION
OF CARES RELATED SERVICES WITH A 0 IMPACT
GRANT FUND 70
Item # 16D5
AWARDING REQUEST FO POSAL (RFP) #18-74705,
SERVICES FOR SENIO EMO MEDIKA CARE LLC
D/B/A HARMONIA TH UB, SUNSHINE HEALTH CARE
SERVICES, LLC /B/� A BETTER SOLUTION OF SARASOTA,
HOME HEALT ARE RESOURCES, CORP. AND AUTHORIZE
THE CHAIR S N THE ATTACHED AGREEMENTS.
(ESTIMA ENNT
UAL FISCAL IMPACT: $2,934,443, HUMAN
SERVICE FUND 707
I
AUTHORIZING THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN FOUR (4)
EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANTS SUBRECIPIENT
AGREEMENTS; TWO (2) COLLIER COUNTY HUNGER &
HOMELESS COALITION IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,536.62 AND
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$30,462, NAMI COLLIER COUNTY IN THE AMOUNT OF
$26,970, YOUTH HAVEN, INC. IN THE AMOUNT OF $71 No
AND ONE (1) HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIPS
SUBRECIPIENT AGREEMENT FOR COLLIER COUNTY
HOUSING AUTHORITY IN THE AMOUNT OF $424,993
(HOUSING GRANT FUND 705) c
Item #16E1 �O
AUTHORIZING THE CHAIR TO SIGN A MEDUM OF
UNDERSTANDING WITH SOUTHWEST F�L9 A
PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS, LOCAL 2 6' ,'OUTLINING
THE PAYMENT OF PREMIUM PAY F ALL COLLIER
COUNTY EMS EMPLOYEES, NOT EED THE FUNDING
AMOUNT OF $4081000 AS APP WITHIN THE
AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN A RONAVIRUS STATE AND
LOCAL FISCAL RECO
UNITED STATES TRE,
AUTHORIZED BY THI
COMMISSIONERS. (4
Item # 16E2
AS APPROVED BY THE
AND PREVIOUSLY
- ' a s]lgilleMKOM
ING GRANT FUND 705
AN ADM'RATIVE REPORT PREPARED BY THE
PROCURF,MENT SERVICES DIVISION FOR DISPOSAL OF
PROPOKY AND NOTIFICATION OF REVENUE
DISoB RSEMENT
Item # 16E3
ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS PREPARED BY THE
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PROCUREMENT SERVICES DIVISION FOR CHANGE ORDERS
AND OTHER CONTRACTUAL MODIFICATIONS REQUIRING
BOARD APPROVAL
Item # 16E4
ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS PREPARED BY THE
PROCUREMENT SERVICES DIVISION FOR CHAN RDERS
AND OTHER CONTRACTUAL MODIFICATION UIRING
BOARD APPROVAL
Item # 16F 1
A REPORT COVERING BUDGET ENTS IMPACTING
RESERVES AND MOVING F AN AMOUNT UP TO
AND INCLUDING $25,000 AN ,000, RESPECTIVELY
Item #16F2
RESOLUTION 20 2-0f>5: APPROVING AMENDMENTS
(APPROPRIATJV GRANTS, DONATIONS, CONTRIBUTIONS
OR INSURAXT�E OCEEDS) TO THE FY21-22 ADOPTED
BUDGET,
Item �44
R UTION 2022-006: AUTHORIZING THE CHAIRMAN TO
EX CUTE A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY
MANAGER'S EXECUTION OF FEDERAL AVIATION
ADMINISTRATION (FAA) AIRPORT RESCUE GRANT
AGREEMENTS IN THE AMOUNT OF $5900 FOR THE
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MARCO ISLAND EXECUTIVE AIRPORT (MKY) AND $32,000
FOR THE IMMOKALEE REGIONAL AIRPORT (IMM) FOR
ELIGIBLE OPERATING EXPENSES AND AUTHORIZE ALL
NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENTS. (PROJECTS NOS.
33793 AND 33792)
Item # 1611
JANUARY 11. 2022. MISCELLANEOUS CORRE
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DfF ENCE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
MISCELLANEOUS CORRESPONDENCE
January 11, 2022
1. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO FILE FOR RECORD WITH ACTION AS DIRECTED:
A. DISTRICTS:
1) Heritage Bay Community Development District:
Meeting Agenda 09/02/2021; 11/04/2021
Meeting Minutes 09/02/2021; 11/04/2021
2) Naples Heritage Community Development District:
Meeting Agenda 05/04/2021
Meeting Minutes 05/04/2021
3) The Quarry Community Development District:
Meeting Agenda 09/20/2021
Meeting Minutes 09/20/2021
B. OTHER:
January 11, 2022
Item # 16J 1
APPOINTING COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL AND
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS TO THE COLLIER COUNTY
CANVASSING BOARD FOR THE 2022 ELECTION CYCLE
Item # 16J2
AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ATTORNEY' S O
PARTICIPATE AND REPRESENT THE COLL
CANVASSING BOARD DURING THE 2021'
LINTY
'TfON CYCLE
Item # 16J3 IF
TO RECORD IN THE MINUTE E BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS, THE CHE MBER (OR OTHER
PAYMENT METHOD), AM , PAYEE, AND PURPOSE FOR
WHICH THE REFERE SBURSEMENTS WERE DRAWN
FOR THE PERIODS BE EEN DECEMBER 16, 2021, AND
DECEMBER 29, 2021,*PU SUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTE
136.06.
Item # 16J
BOrMINED
IFICATION OF THE PURCHASING CARD
TONS AND INVOICES PAYABLE APPROVED AND
D TO HAVE A VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE BY THE
CONAGER DURING THE BOARD'S SCHEDULED
RECESS
Item # 16J5
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BOARD RATIFICATION AND RECORDING IN THE MINUTES
OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THE CHECK
NUMBER (OR OTHER PAYMENT METHOD), AMOUNT,
PAYEE, AND PURPOSE FOR WHICH THE REFERENCED
DISBURSEMENTS WERE DRAWN FOR THE PERIODS
BETWEEN DECEMBER 2, 2021, AND DECEMBER 15, 2 ,
PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTE 136.06 THAT WE
APPROVED BY THE COUNTY MANAGER DURIN
BOARD'S SCHEDULED RECESS
Item # 16J6
BOARD DETERMINATION ON VAL
INVOICES PAYABLE AND PUR�f�
TRANSACTIONS AS OF JANUARY,
022
LIC PURPOSE FOR
CARD
Item #16K1
`V
RESOLUTION 2022-00 APPOINTING JAMES BOUGHTON,
CLAY BROOKERz FR JE�Y CURL AND CHRIS MITCHELL
TO THE DEVEJcQPMENT SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Item # 16K;�.
RES(& LTJ)DN 2022-008: APPOINTING SUE LAW TO THE
SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD
Item # 16K3
A STIPULATED FINAL JUDGMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF
$225,000 PLUS $40,330 IN STATUTORY ATTORNEY,
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EXPERTS' FEES, COSTS AND STATUTORY SUPPLEMENTAL
ATTORNEYS' FEES IF NECESSARY (NOT TO EXCEED $7,000)
FOR THE TAKING OF PARCEL 1257RDUE/TCE9 REQUIRED
FOR THE VANDERBILT BEACH ROAD EXTENSION PROJECT
NO. 60168
Item # 16K4
A STIPULATED FINAL JUDGMENT IN THE
$371,000 PLUS $35,680 IN STATUTORY AT]
EXPERTS' FEES AND COSTS FOR THE TAI
1109POND REQUIRED FOR THE VANDE
EXTENSION PROJECT NO. 60168 A
Item # 16K5
A STIPULATED FINAL
$156,000 PLUS $31,574
EXPERTS' FEES ANDl
o�
PARCEL
EACH ROAD
NT IN THE AMOUNT OF
ATTORNEY
THE TAKING OF PARCEL
218FEE REQUIRF1D FfaR THE VANDERBILT BEACH ROAD
EXTENSION Pbi12JECT NO. 60168
Item # 1
A ST ED FINAL JUDGMENT IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT
O 00 PLUS $21,767.50 IN STATUTORY ATTORNEY
A XPERTS' FEES AND COSTS FOR THE TAKING OF
PA CEL 220FEE, REQUIRED FOR THE VANDERBILT BEACH
ROAD EXTENSION PROJECT, PROJECT NO., 60168, AND
DELEGATE AUTHORITY TO THE COUNTY MANAGER OR
HIS DESIGNEE TO PROCESS PAYMENT OF ADDITIONAL
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STATUTORY ATTORNEY' S FEES FOR SUPPLEMENTAL
PROCEEDINGS, IF ANY, AS AUTHORIZED BY CH. 73, FLA.
STAT.
Item # 17A — Moved to Item #9A (Per Agenda Change Sheet)
Item # 17B
RESOLUTION 2022-009: ZONING PETITION - PIA� 0002317,
AVE MARIA SRAA, AMENDING THE TOWN E MARIA
STEWARDSHIP RECEIVING AREA (SRA SE THE
SRA TOWN PLAN AND MASTER PLAN I A OD RANCE
WITH SECTION 4.08.07.F.4 OF THE L D EVELOPMENT
CODE, AND SPECIFICALLY TO; IGURE A PORTION
OF TOWN CENTER 2A AND T HBORHOOD GENERAL
SE CONTEXT ZONE NEAR THE CTION OF POPE JOHN
PAUL BOULEVARD AND KEAIS ROAD; TO ADD A
NEW MULTIFAMILY G UNIT RENTAL HOUSING
TYPE CONSISTING OF GLE FAMILY DETACHED, SINGLE
FAMILY ATTACHED
,OoOR TOWNHOUSES LOCATED ON A
SINGLE PARC CALLED A COTTAGE COURT AS A
PERMITTESE THE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL
CONTEX Z AND TOWN CENTERS 2 AND 3; TO ADD
CIVIC US EN SPACE AND PARKS AS A PERMITTED USE
IN T NTER 1; TO ADD DEVELOPMENT STANDARD
F PEE COTTAGE COURT DWELLING UNIT TYPE LIMITED
T 0 FOOT EXTERNAL PROJECT SETBACK AND A
MA IMUM HEIGHT OF 2 1/2 STORIES; TO ADD AN ACCESS
POINT NEAR THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SRA
BOUNDARY TO SERVE THE EXISTING GOLF
MAINTENANCE FACILITY ONLY; TO REMOVE THE ROOT
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BARRIER REQUIREMENT IN NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL
CONTEXT ZONE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LDC; AND
MODIFY THE NUMERICAL SPACING OF THE GRID SYSTEM
FOR THE UNIVERSITY DISTRICT TO CORRECT A LABELING
ERROR. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH
OIL WELL ROAD AND WEST OF CAMP KEAIS ROAD
SECTIONS 31 THROUGH 33, TOWNSHIP 47 SOUTH, -4 E
29 EAST AND SECTIONS 4 THROUGH 9 AND 16 TLUGH
18, TOWNSHIP 48 SOUTH, RANGE 29 EAST IN IER
COUNTY. FL 0
Item # 17C
RESOLUTION 2022-010: APPROyI NDMENTS
(APPROPRIATING CARRY FO , TRANSFERS AND
SUPPLEMENTAL REVENUE) E FY21-22 ADOPTED
BUDGET
Item # 17D
I
ORDINANCE &,KNOWN
1: AN AMENDMENT TO ORDINANCE
93-81, AS A AS THE "PARKS AND
RECREA IO DVISORY BOARD ORDINANCE," TO ADD
AN ALTE E MEMBER TO THE BOARD
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January 11, 2022
There being no further business for the good of the County, the
meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 1:23 p.m.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS/EX
OFFICIO GOVERNING BOARD(S) (3f��
SPECIAL DISTRICTS UNDER I4(DNTROL
WILLIAM L. McD
ATTEST
CRYSTAL K. KINZEL, CLERK ��y"
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These minutes approverby the Board on ,
as presented or as corrected
TRANSCRUWPREPARED ON BEHALF OF FORT MYERS
CO ORTING BY TERRI L. LEWIS, RPR, FPR-C,
COU EPORTER AND NOTARY PUBLIC.
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