Agenda 01/14/2020 Item #2D (BCC Minutes 12/10/2019)01/14/2020
COLLIER COUNTY
Board of County Commissioners
Item Number: 2.D
Item Summary: December 10, 2019 BCC Meeting Minutes
Meeting Date: 01/14/2020
Prepared by:
Title: Executive Secretary to County Manager – County Manager's Office
Name: MaryJo Brock
01/02/2020 7:13 AM
Submitted by:
Title: County Manager – County Manager's Office
Name: Leo E. Ochs
01/02/2020 7:13 AM
Approved By:
Review:
County Manager's Office MaryJo Brock County Manager Review Completed 01/02/2020 7:13 AM
Board of County Commissioners MaryJo Brock Meeting Pending 01/14/2020 9:00 AM
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TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Naples, Florida, December 10, 2019
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County
Commissioners, in and for the County of Collier, and also acting as
the Board of Zoning Appeals and as the governing board(s) of such
special districts as have been created according to law and having
conducted business herein, met on this date at 9:00 a.m., in
REGULAR SESSION in Building "F" of the Government Complex,
East Naples, Florida, with the following members present:
CHAIRMAN: William L. McDaniel, Jr.
Burt L. Saunders
Donna Fiala
Andy Solis
Penny Taylor
ALSO PRESENT:
Leo Ochs, County Manager
Nick Casalanguida, Deputy County Manager
Jeffrey A. Klatzkow, County Attorney
Crystal K. Kinzel, Clerk of the Circuit Court & Comptroller
Troy Miller, Communications & Customer Relations
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MR. OCHS: Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd please come to
order. Thank you very much.
Mr. Chairman, you have a live mic.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, thank you, sir.
This morning we're going to have an invocation and Pledge of
Allegiance, and invocation's going to be given by Deacon Gary
Ingold of Ave Maria Catholic Church. Good morning, sir.
Item #1A
INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
DEACON INGOLD: Good morning.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: If you would, everybody rise,
please.
DEACON INGOLD: Let us pray.
Oh, Mighty God, today I am so humbly honored and thankful
for the invite to pray with and for the Collier County Board of
County Commissioners.
God, we ask you to bestow many blessing on these leaders:
Specifically, Donna Fiala of District 1, Andy Solis of District 2, Burt
Saunders of District 3, Penny Taylor of District 4, and William
McDaniel, Junior, of District 5 and, of course, for all the wonderful
Collier County people they represent day in and day out.
May these commissioners always strive in their thoughts, words,
deeds, and actions to protect the health, safety, welfare, and quality of
life of those they serve; that is the people and businesses of Collier
County.
May the BCC be granted the virtues that perfects the powers
they have been granted by those they serve through habits of
prudence, justice, temperance, and fortitude that will always espouse
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and inspire them to do good in the decisions they will make this day
and always.
Finally, oh, mighty God, all things are possible today with you
in the midst of this very meeting of the BCC. May the BCC stand
firm to its guiding principles and values so that they may achieve the
ultimate of their efforts: The model of the Collier County Board of
County Commissioners of exceeding expectations every day, of
course, with God's help.
Amen.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Wonderful prayer. Thank you.
Would you lead us this morning in the Pledge.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'd be honored to.
(The Pledge of Allegiance was recited in unison.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay.
Item #2A
APPROVAL OF TODAY'S REGULAR, CONSENT AND
SUMMARY AGENDA AS AMENDED (EX PARTE
DISCLOSURE PROVIDED BY COMMISSION MEMBERS FOR
CONSENT AGENDA.) - MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM #9B
AND REFER BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO
REVIEW IN MARCH – APPROVED; MOTION TO CONTINUE
ITEMS #9E, #9F, #11K AND #11L TO THE SECOND MEETING
IN JANUARY WITH A WORKSHOP ON JANUARY 21
(TENTATIVE) – APPROVED; REQUEST BY THE PETITIONER
TO CONTINUE ITEM #9D TO THE JANUARY 14TH MEETING –
APPROVED; APPROVED AND/OR ADOPTED W/CHANGES
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, good morning. These are the
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proposed agenda changes for the Board of County Commissioners'
meeting of December 10th, 2019.
The first proposed change is to move Item 16A29 from your
consent agenda. That will become Item 11M on the regular agenda.
This is a discussion regarding the annual membership payment to the
South Florida Regional Planning Council. That item was moved at
Commissioner Taylor's request.
The next proposed change is to move Item 16F10 from the
consent agenda to become Item 11N. This is a discussion of a
previously board-directed invitation to negotiate seeking a
private/public partnership for an affordable housing component on
your Golden Gate Golf Course property. That item is moved at
Commissioner Fiala's request.
The next proposed change is to move Item 17E to your
advertised public hearing agenda to become Item 9F. It is a
recommendation to adopt a resolution amending Stewardship
Sending Area 15 in your Rural Land Stewardship Overlay District.
That item was requested to be moved by both Commissioner Taylor
and Commissioner Saunders separately.
And the final item is to add on Item 16D20 to this morning's
consent agenda. This is an award of an electrical services upgrade at
the East Naples Community Park in the amount of $547,382.08. This
item was added at the staff's request. This was previously approved
in the Board's budget. We went to print last Wednesday on the
agenda. This bid did not open until last Friday. It is time sensitive
that we have to get this work done before the national Pickleball
Championship in April, so we're adding this item on so we have
enough time to issue the notice to procee d and get the work done.
Again, that's a staff request. That's a competitive bid; lowest
responsive bidder below the budget, actually, at this point.
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Commissioners, I have a number of time-sensitive items today on the
agenda. I'll try to go through these quickly. Item 4A, this is a
proclamation. We'll hear that immediately following your setting of
the agenda. So after Item 2C, we will move to Item 4A. The
recipient has a conflict and needs to get to another meeting this
morning.
Item 11A will be heard immediately following Item 5A. 11A is
a discussion of the U.S. Census complete count efforts by the Board.
Item 9A will be heard no sooner than 9:30 a.m. this morning.
That's the presentation and adoption hearing on the Immokalee Area
Master Plan. That will be followed immediately by Item 9B, which
is a discussion of the proposed Land Development Code amendments
for the Golden Gate Golf Course recreational uses.
Item 9C will be heard no sooner than 11 a.m. That's a
recommendation by staff to upda te your road impact fee and your
water and sewer impact fee.
Item 10A will be heard immediately following 11B which is --
11B being a discussion of whether the Board wishes to reestablish the
Conservation Collier Program, and 10A is a letter from the Tru st for
Public Lands related to that policy decision.
Then we have three items that are companion items that are
scheduled to be heard no sooner than 2 p.m. I know these have been
an item of some discussion over the last 24 hours. These all relate to
the rural lands stewardship and the Rivergrass proposal. Those are
Items 9E, 11K, and 11L. If those are heard today, they're all to be
heard no sooner than 2 p.m.
And, thankfully, that's all I have this morning, Mr. Chairman.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And you're going to keep track of
all that?
MR. OCHS: That's why I have this guy.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Oh, that's what Mr. Casalanguida is
for, okay.
MR. OCHS: That's all I have, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Outstanding.
There was -- I'll wait till it's my turn. Did I forget something?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I thought there may be some
changes to the agenda items, but --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: At this stage we'll --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: There are going to be a few
more changes.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes, there are going to be some. So
we'll get to those when we go. So you want to go first with your ex
parte and -- not want to. Will you please go first with your ex parte
and any adjustments.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I will.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: This is ex parte on consent and
summary, by the way.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Consent and summary, no
disclosures. The only ex parte disclosure would -- well, there
wouldn't be a disclosure. No changes at this point.
But on 16A8, I did have a conversation with Mr. Rice. But
other than that, I have no other disclosures.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And changes?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: No changes.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Commissioner Fiala, good
morning.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Good morning.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Good to see you.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you very much. Do I look
Christmasy enough?
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You look very pretty. Yeah, you
really look nice. Very nice. She's got all kinds of really nice things
on. Earrings, and --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you. And, yes, I have some
items to declare. 9E, which is these --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We're not on 9E. We're only doing
consent.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, I'm sorry. I just skipped that
first page. I'm so sorry.
Okay. Other disclosures would be 16A8, the City Gate
Commerce Park, and I had meetings with Roger Rice and John
Steinhauser, along with discussions with staff.
On the summary agenda -- it's been a big agenda, folks.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes. When we only meet once a
month, that's what it is.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. And the only thing I have to
declare is 17D, and that is the Whippoorwill Lane to Livingston
Road, and I've had discussions with staff on that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Good morning.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Good morning.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You look very nice as well.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Thank you very much. And so
do you, but I think we're going to have a barber come up here. The
beards are getting longer.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: That could result in a fistfight
or something.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Good morning. And I wanted to
say Merry Christmas to our dear Commissioner Fiala --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, thank you.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: -- who's been here now for 20
years. And as you know, she's retiring, and this is her last Christmas
meeting, and I'm noting that.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So I just wanted to say Merry
Christmas to you, and thank you.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So I have no -- no ex parte,
except I did have a conversation with the Rices regarding City Gate.
I'm not sure it has to do specifically with that plat, so I'll put it on the
record, but I declared it as no ex parte.
And I do have one small addition to the agenda, and I've heard,
quite by accident, but it seems to be true that the landscape prices are
going down. And I'd like to see if my board -- if we could put on a
reconsideration of our decision to not accept the very generous FDOT
grant; to reconsider that based on landscaping prices. And I'd like to
see -- the request would be that my board would consider
reconsidering it. And we would not do it at this meeting; we would
do it in January.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you. I would like to second
your motion.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I certainly have no concerns with
that as long as we have the information to be able to make a decision.
I mean...
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes, exactly. Apparently it's
shifting as we speak.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: A lot.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, it certainly is well past due to
be shifting at $75,000 a mile. It needs to be less. Can you whip up
something for us in January?
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MR. CASALANGUIDA: I certainly can give you the
information and where we stand now.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Is there a time certain -- excuse me.
I don't mean to interrupt. Is there a time certain with regard to the
acceptance of the grant? Is there a trigger that we have to hit in order
to be able to accept the grant or not?
MR. OCHS: That I don't know, sir. We'll find out when we
bring this item back.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And, Mr. Chairman, on the
motion, I'm going to vote against the motion. There is a procedure
for requesting reconsiderations, and this doesn't comply with that
procedure. But regardless of that -- because I don't want to be overly
technical on that. But regardless of that, six or eight or nine months
ago, we voted not to do any more landscaping because we hadn't
gotten control of the cost of maintenance.
So until we get control of that and have a better understanding of
what it's going to cost us in the future, I'm going to continue with that
policy decision that we made some time ago.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And I don't disagree. I mean,
hearing this item, I think, will bring a lot of that information to
light --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: -- so I'm okay with that.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And this is not landscaping in
general. This is specifically landscaping today, or in January, in
relation to the grant.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Oh, I understand what it's in
relation to. It's the median beautification that we decided not to do a
few weeks ago. So I know what we're talking about.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct.
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Well, I was just going to add, it's --
I agree with Commissioner Saunders. I mean, unless in a few weeks
it's gone down by half or, you know, some huge percentage, I'm -- I
don't see any reason to revisit it.
I was telling the County Manager that this grant is sort of like
BOGO at Publix. You know, just because the chocolate ice
cream's -- and I'm speaking for myself. Just because the chocolate
ice cream is, you know, buy one get one free doesn't mean you
should do it.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, yes, it does.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: When it comes to chocolate ice
cream...
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'm not in favor of revisiting this
until we have a significant reduction in the price and the costs, so.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And I'm not saying -- by the way,
I'm in support of the motion because it bri ngs back the information
and gives us an opportunity to review these expenses that were
inordinately too high, and without that information we can't make a
good decision one way or the other. And I'm not saying I'm
supporting going forward with it. I just -- I want to have the
information.
So with that, do we -- are we so far out of Hoyle, or can we just
bring that back up under -- we're not going to do anything about it
today. Do we need to have a vote?
MR. KLATZKOW: Well, I need to know if a majority of you
want to bring it back.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Three-two.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Should we vote now or just --
MR. KLATZKOW: You would vote now.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor of bringing it back in
January?
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Three-two.
Did you have any other adjustments?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No, I think that's it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Saunders, good
morning.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Well, thank you. Good
morning. And Merry Christmas to everyone as well.
I've got a couple things. First of all, on the 16A8, I did have
some meetings with the property owners at City Gate talking about
some general items, so I'll include that as part of my disclosure on
that agenda.
There were a couple items that I want to continue, and I want to
explain why. Item 9B deals with the zoning changes for the Golden
Gate Golf Course, and the Planning Commission was 100 percent
correct in recommending a denial of that. And I don't want to bring
back a request for a change that I have asked for when we have a
unanimous vote in the negative from the Planning Commission. I
don't think it's appropriate for me to even ask the Board to consider
something like that.
I don't mind bringing something back with a negative but not a
unanimously negative vote, just in case we get a negative vote next
time.
And what I'd like to do is refer this item back to the Planning
Commission for their March meeting. And the reason I want to do
that in March is we have a couple responses to our invitation to
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negotiate to develop a golf course operation out there. It's in the --
the responses are in the Purchasing Department. No one knows what
the content of the responses is at this point. But over the next month
or so, we'll get an idea of what the possibilities are out there.
If we get a vendor that has a proposal that this commission
accepts, that will give us an opportunity to negotiate with that vendor.
At that point in time, we can present this back to the planning board
for consideration, because at that point they'll have all the
information that they would really need to have in order to make a
rational decision on those two changes.
So I'd like to move that the item be continued, that it be referred
back to the Planning Commission for their March meeting, and then
we'll have further conversations over the next month or so before the
Commission. So that's the motion on Item 9B.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Second.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: All right. The next item is
9E, and I know Mr. Yovanovich is here to talk about that as well.
And I think this includes 9E, 11K, and 11L, if I'm not mistaken.
MR. OCHS: Yes, sir.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: All three of them are
together. My request is to continue this to our second meeting in
January, and Mr. Yovanovich may ask that it be continued, if it's
going to be continued, to a little sooner than that. But my request is
to the second meeting in January. And my rationale for asking for
this to be continued is this is going to be probably the most -- this
will be the start of the most significant decisions we're going to make
for the future of this county. We're going to impact development for
the next 50 years. And to be perfectly candid with you, I'm a little bit
confused as to what we have to do based on prior actions by th e
Board and what we should do in terms of policy going forward.
For example, our entire Long Range Transportation Plan, we've
dealt with this kind of on a piecemeal basis. The MPO has been
dealing with it. I'd like to have a presentation from our staff on what
our Long Range Transportation Plan is for the future of Eastern
Collier County.
Part of the reason that I want to continue this item is that the Big
Cypress Parkway is critical to development, and I'm not sure whether
we should do the Big Cypress Parkway or not. I just don't have
enough information, and I need to have that prior to being ready to
start voting on land-use changes.
So I think I can get that information by our second meeting in
January. I would suggest that the Commission have a workshop with
staff on that, and I think we can do that pretty quickly depending on
everybody's schedule. But that's one aspect of it.
The other is, I want to make sure we're doing the right things to
protect the environment and to maximize protecting fa rmlands and
protecting critical environmental habitat, so I need more time. And
that's my motion to continue this to the second meeting in January,
but in the interim to have staff either in -- at our next meeting on
January 8th, I believe, or at some workshop that we all schedule, to
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really outline what our Long Range Transportation Plan is and
perhaps give the environmental community as well, and our staff, an
opportunity to talk about what we need to be doing. So that's the
motion on 9E, 11K, and 11L.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And there's --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'll second that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded. One
second. You have to light up if you want to speak. Commissioner
Solis is first.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Oh, okay; sorry.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That's okay.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And I agree. I think there's more
work to be done, and I would hope that since this is, I think, one of
the most important decisions we're going to make, that everyone
involved, including our staff, we can sharpen our pencils and make
this a better -- a better decision. I think there's a lot of things that
need to be fleshed out a little better in my mind on everyone's part.
So I would urge everyone to sharpen their pencils, including our
staff, and let's make sure that this decision is the best it can be for the
county because it is -- you know, this is the future of growth in
Collier County, and it's an important decision.
So I would rather also see this happen sooner rather than later. I
mean, if it's the -- if there's consensus to have a workshop, I'd say let's
do it as quickly as possible, because this is an important decision, and
we need to go ahead and make a decision.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, the motion's been made for
the second meeting in January.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Is there a reason that we couldn't set
it for the first meeting, and then if there's progress being made, that
we could continue it again? Because I like the sense of urgency
because it makes people work.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I think I could give two
reasons: Christmas and New Year's.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I was just going to say, you can't
get anything done this time of year.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: It's going to be very difficult
for us to get everything together in time f or that.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: That's just my opinion.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And I think that's a rational --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I like a sense of urgency.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, we all like that, but I think
that's a rational thought process. I've said it for a millennia that we
could take off from Thanksgiving through the first of the year and
really not miss much, but I think the second -- hey, how you doing?
Commissioner Taylor wants to go first, and then I'll get to you.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: First of all, I'd like to ask staff,
does that -- the second meeting in January, does that work with your
schedules, and do you think you can meet that? This is a very, very
important meeting we're going to --
MR. OCHS: Yes, we can meet that deadline.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. And then the second
question I have of my colleagues, and of course this can't be forced,
but perhaps I would suggest it to the petitioner. As you were rated a
D minus on the project you brought before the Planning Commission
by the Planning Commission -- by staff, matter of fact, and it
wasn't -- it wasn't unanimous, but it was almost unanimously
rejected, would you consider going back to the Planning Commission
to make it better, make it more -- to reconsider the project and, under
the comments that you received at the Planning Commission, make
those adjustments? And I'm requesting it. I'm not demanding it, of
course.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Mr. Chairman?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: If I could interrupt, just
because there's some legal issues that we're going to start getting into.
So I just want to make sure the County Attorney's okay with even
asking the questions about referring it back.
MR. KLATZKOW: If you're going to have a workshop as to
the need for Big Cypress Parkway, I think that decision from the
Board would go a long way before considering placing it back to the
Planning Commission.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay.
MR. KLATZKOW: Depending upon the decision of the Board,
you would have two different discussions at the Planning
Commission.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. So then, perhaps, we can
reserve that, but know that I'm requesting it respectfully.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Gotcha.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: All right.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Is it appropriate --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: There's one thing, 17E.
MR. YOVANOVICH: I was going to add, we would like that to
be continued as well.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: If the motioner would like to
continue that item as well --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay.
MR. YOVANOVICH: I think it's 9 something now. We want
to add that to the list of things to be continued.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. That's the only thing you
had?
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MR. YOVANOVICH: Well, that, and I just want to make
sure -- I understand the questions regarding the Long Range
Transportation Plan and discussing those issues, but I think it's
important to understand that the program's the program, and we
should be allowed to go through, even despite what the vote was at
the Planning Commission. We obviously don't agree with some of
those points. I don't want to get into the details of that, but certainly
we understand the need to better understand the Long Range
Transportation Plan and how big -- how the District as well as the
Rivergrass petition fit into that, and we're agreeable to the
continuance that you've asked for, and that's all I'm prepared to
discuss today, and I think anything beyond that's --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So I just would like you to
consider it but not say a definitive no at this point, and we will see.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: See which way the wind's blowing
as we go through.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: That's right.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: How about a workshop? Are we --
are you -- how's our schedule?
MR. OCHS: Well, you typically have those the first Tuesday of
the month.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That's not going to happen.
MR. OCHS: It's going to be right behind the New Year's. I
don't know if that's convenient for the Board. We can work on your
schedules.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, we can -- you know, we don't
have to have it on the first Tuesday. We could have it on a different
Tuesday, maybe the third or something as a wrap-up before we come
in for the final --
MR. OCHS: Okay.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: -- before the hearing on this.
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MR. OCHS: Yeah. You have board meetings on the 14th and
28th of January.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct.
MR. OCHS: The agenda for the 28th has to get published the
Wednesday before. So if you have a workshop after that Wednesday,
if it influences what you're going to see on the 28th, you know, it will
have to be put on the record during the meeting.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Go ahead, Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay. I think in terms of
what's going to be on the agenda on the 28th is what we have already.
That's pretty well set.
MR. OCHS: Okay.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So I think that if we have a
workshop, you know, a week or 10 days prior to that, that should be
plenty of time. And if you want to go through schedules, now we
can.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I'm okay with it if we set it up for
the third Tuesday of the month.
MR. OCHS: Why don't we work with your office during the
day, and then later on today, we'll lock that down under
communications.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Perfect.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Because, necessarily, we're
reviewing things in a workshop that aren't going to be voted on the
Long Range Transportation Plan, the implications of Big Cypress
Parkway, so on so forth, the entire grid system of Collier County and
Eastern Collier County. So it's -- in the workshop format, having that
is just -- is edification.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Mr. Chairman, and not related to this
item, but I do have a request to continue one other item, and I don't
know when that's appropriate to make that request. So is it now or --
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yeah. One second.
Commissioner Taylor lit up, and I want to find out what --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Just the 7th of January is that
first Tuesday. So just keep -- it's not -- I thought it was the 2nd. It's
the 7th. So, I mean, we can talk depending on whose vacations go
over, but also maybe we could even do it another day --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I have nothing else to do, so -- I
don't have a life.
MR. OCHS: Sure. We'll lock that down a little bit later.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: The agenda would have to be
finalized on New Year's Day, that's all.
MR. OCHS: That's not a problem.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay. Sorry.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: You don't mind coming in a little
extra. Good.
MR. OCHS: It's all good.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: We could have a New Year's
Eve workshop. Wouldn't that be fun?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Let's keep things rolling along.
There's a lot of things here that are -- sorry. Some of these people
have to go back to work.
Mr. Yovanovich?
MR. YOVANOVICH: Yes, thank you.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Do you want to vote on this
motion?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Oh, I'm sorry. Did we not vote on
it?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: No.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I'm sorry. Forgive me. It's been
moved and seconded that we continue these listed agenda items until
our second meeting in January. Any other discussion?
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(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
Sorry about that, Commissioner Saunders.
Anything else, sir, declarations or adjustments, Commissioner
Saunders?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Oh, no. I think that's enough
for this morning.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yeah. You want to go before me?
MR. YOVANOVICH: My turn?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes, sir.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Or I can go after you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No, it doesn't matter.
MR. YOVANOVICH: We would also like to continue Item 9D,
which is the Growth Management Plan regarding Hammock Park
Commerce Center, to the --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Which item?
MR. YOVANOVICH: 9D, as in dog.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: 9D. I heard --
MR. YOVANOVICH: -- to your first meeting in January,
which I think is the 14th.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: You're ensuring that this
commissioner's going to participate in the City of Naples Christmas
Parade tonight, so thank you.
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MR. YOVANOVICH: I am here to make your life easier.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, I'll make a motion that we
continue that item until -- you want to do it to the first meeting in
January?
MR. YOVANOVICH: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'll second that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded that
we continue Item 9D until the first meeting in January. Any other
discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
MR. YOVANOVICH: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well -- now it's my turn. I was a
little confused on 17D because it talks about the connection of
Whippoorwill and Livingston Road, but the actual request is for the
change of the zoning for the multifamily project, not the continuance
of the Whippoorwill Lane, per se. So I have had meetings with
regard to the continuance of Whippoorwill Lane, so we'll just add
that into my disclosure on that.
I did have emails with regard to 17F, and I would like to ask
about 16A. We had a couple of public speakers on Massey?
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MR. MILLER: Yeah, that's correct, sir. 16A5, we have two
registered public speakers for that item.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I wanted to bring that up to set it as
an agenda item to actually -- I had that on my list to bring up anyway.
So I'd like to set -- I'd like to move 16A5, did you say?
MR. MILLER: Yes, sir, 16A5.
MR. OCHS: That would become Item 9G if you want to move
that forward.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I'll make that motion that we do
that, if -- and silence prevails.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'll second that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay, thank you. Jiminy
Christmas.
It's been moved and seconded that we move 16A5 up to the
regular agenda at whatever item we're on over there. Any other
discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chairman, can I just confirm everything we
continued for the sake of my speakers' list here? I want to make sure
I've got it straight. 9D, 9E, 9F, 11K and 11L; is that correct?
MR. OCHS: That's correct.
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MR. MILLER: So if you've registered to speak on those items,
those items have been continued.
Thank you, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. I'm just making sure with
my notes that we're all set. Other than that, with that our agenda's
been set and approved and ex parte completed. I'll take a motion in
that regard.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So moved.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Second.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded. Any
other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
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Item #2B and #2C
OCTOBER 22, 2019 BCC MEETING MINUTES AND
NOVEMBER 12, 2019 BCC MEETING MINUTES – APPROVED
AS PRESENTED
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, Item 2B and 2C are
recommendations to approve the Board of County Commissioners'
meeting minutes from October 22nd, 2019, and November 12th,
2019.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So move.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded that
we accept these minutes as printed. Any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
MR. OCHS: Thank you, Commissioners.
Item #4A
PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING EDWARD STAROS AS THE
RECIPIENT OF HOTELS MAGAZINE'S INDEPENDENT
HOTELIER OF THE WORLD AWARD FOR HIS ELITE LEVEL
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OF DEDICATION AND SERVICES AND HIS INVALUABLE
CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY. ACCEPTED BY
EDWARD STAROS – ADOPTED (READ INTO THE RECORD
BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL)
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, we move to Item 4A. This is a
proclamation recognizing Edward Staros as the recipient of Hotels
Magazine's independent Hotelier of the Year Award for his elite level
of dedication and services and his invaluable contributions to our
community.
Mr. Staros, if you'd step forward.
(Applause.)
MR. STAROS: Thank you.
It's an interesting award. Hotel Magazine has been kind of the
Bible of our industry for as long as I've been in the industry, which is
48 years. About 40 years ago they started listing nominees, and then
they send those nominees out in their April or May edition, and they
send it out to all the subscribers of the magazine, which is a
worldwide publication. And they said, if you think that these people
deserve recognition, vote for them. And they give a date certain at a
certain time that all the votes have to be in.
Somehow I won. I don't know exactly how that works, but they
told me it was due to the amount of coaching and mentoring I've done
over the course of the 48 years. I've been with Ritz now for 38
years -- 37 years; was at Hyatt for 11. And when the votes came in,
there was as many Hyatt votes as there was Ritz votes. So it was
really quite an honor in the sense that something I said, something I
did, something I coached, something I monitored meant something to
somebody else.
But the best one I have to tell you is that there was a law student
at Emory Law School, and he was a bellman when I was the general
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manager at the Ritz-Carlton Buckhead in 1988, '89, '90, '91, so forth.
And he voted still because he still gets the magazine. You have to
have the magazine to vote. And his comment was the principles of
trust, honesty, respect, and integrity that you taught me when I was a
bellman is what I use now in my law firm in Los Angeles. And so
that's the kind of thing that makes it -- makes it worthwhile. It's kind
of like a worldwide Junior Achievement award kind of thing. So
thank you very much. It's been my pleasure.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: If you would please indulge me,
we're going to all come down there and take our picture.
MR. STAROS: Oh, my goodness.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I'm going to read -- with the -- I'm
going to read this proclamation, if I may, because it will verify all of
the truths that you said there in your story.
Whereas, Edward Staros began his stellar career in the hospitality
industry in 1972 at a hospital in San Francisco -- at a hotel in --
MR. STAROS: Hotel.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Forgive me. It was a hotel.
-- in San Francisco, and after stints in Pittsburgh and Chicago, he
joined the Ritz-Carlton Hotel Company of America operating its
property in Atlanta, and Mr. Staros is recognized as a major
contributor to the birth of Ritz-Carlton brand and a driving force
behind winning two Malcolm S. Baldridge awards that recognize
companies that implemented successful quality management systems
and is the nation's highest presidential honor for performance and
excellence;
Whereas, he arrived in Naples -- you're really paying attention,
aren't you?
Whereas, he arrived in Naples in 1999 in a leadership role for
Ritz-Carlton Naples becoming its vice president and managing
director and leading the property to a Forbes five -star award, a Triple
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A five-diamond award, a Trip Advisor Certificate of Elegance and
being voted as the best hotel in the U.S., No. 1 in Naples, by U.S.
News and World Report; and,
Whereas, Mr. Staros in 2019, recipient of Hotel Magazine's
Independent Hotelier of the World Award that recognizes individuals
and their careers with criteria including how the nominee defines
standards of service, overall operational excellence and performance,
creativity in management, and what they do for the greater good of
the global hotel industry; and,
Whereas, Mr. Staros is a profound community leader currently
sitting on the Lutgert College Business Advisory Board and Resort
Hospitality Management Advisory Board at the Gulf Coast
University, and he appointed the Ritz-Carlton Naples to become a
founding sponsor of the Naples Winter Wine Festival which funds
the Children's Education Foundation, a not-for-profit organization
that supports programs to improve the physical, emotional, and
educational lives of Collier County's underprivileged and at-risk
children.
Now, therefore, the Board of County Commissioners of Collier
County wishes to recognize Edward Staros as the recipient of Hotel
Magazine's Independent Hotelier of the World Award for his elite
level of dedication and service and his in-valued contributions to the
community.
So done today by me. I've got to meet that guy.
MR. STAROS: Thank you very much.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: He just said he's only been at the
hotel only for 21 years.
MR. STAROS: Let me just say one little quick thing just so
everybody can hear me. I joined Ritz -Carlton in March of 1983. My
first assignment in April 1983 was the groundbreaking ceremony for
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the Ritz-Carlton Naples, and I've been involved with that over --
through Naples -- through my entire career with Ritz-Carlton in the
development of it.
On opening day, I called my wife. She was eight months
pregnant with our first child, and I was looking out the window and I
was telling her how beautiful the sunset was and how wonderful the
employees were, and that's truly the essence of why this hotel is rated
so high. It's the outstanding employees. And I was on the phone
talking to her, and she said, well, maybe some day you'll come back
and be the managing director. Well, that happened 21 years ago. So
it's been a lot of fun.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And, Ed, you have people that
have been with you working in that hotel from the beginning --
MR. STAROS: Yes.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: -- of the hotel, right?
MR. STAROS: We actually have three people in the doorman
department, the doormen, that were there the day we opened. And I
did the training with Joe Freni. Joe is a wonderful first operator. He
was there for the first 12 years. I came for a couple of months to do
all the training.
So this hotel is really my baby, and it's been wonderful. And I
am retiring, and that -- because I just need to spend a little time
with -- I need to spend a hell of a lot of time with my wife, actually. I
owe her, like, years of my life, you know. So that's what I'm doing.
So thank you so much.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, there you are.
Item #3D1
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RECOGNIZING OLGA GRIE, PUBLIC UTILITIES
DEPARTMENT APPLICATIONS ANALYST, AS THE OCTOBER
2019 EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH – PRESENTED
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, we move to awards and
recognition.
MR. OCHS: Item 3D is a recommendation to recognize Olga
Grie, Public Utilities Department Applications Analyst, as the
October 2019 Employee of the Month. If you'll please step forward,
Olga.
(Applause.)
MR. OCHS: All right, Olga. Stand right there while I let the
audience know a little bit more about you.
Olga's been working with our Facilities Management Division
since '15. In August of this year, Facilities launched the City Works
Program which is the county's Enterprise Asset Management System
that manages all of our service requests, work orders, and inventory
and also involved in the creation of new space management system.
Olga has been and continues to be integral to the successful
launch of this system in the division. She spearheaded meetings and
training with Facilities staff as well as the Clerk's Office staff and the
Public Utilities inventory team members over the last few months to
prepare them for this major change. She served as the liaison
between Facilities and the rest of the Public utilities department for
communications involving City Works and continuously
troubleshoots issues along the way.
She exemplifies the mission of the county by delivering
high-quality work to support the division, modeling the core values
and guiding principles and living our motto every day. By putting all
into her launching of the City Works and supporting the facilities
operations and maintenance team and to continue to excel at her other
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responsibilities, Olga has demonstrated how deserving she is of this
award.
Commissioners, it's my honor to present Olga Grie as your
October 2019 employee of the month. Congratulations.
(Applause.)
Item #3D2
RECOGNIZING JOE COCCIA, GROWTH MANAGEMENT
DEPARTMENT, SENIOR FIELD INSPECTOR, AS THE
NOVEMBER 2019 EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH – PRESENTED
MR. OCHS: Commissioner Solis, we get a BOGO today,
because Item 3D2 is a recommendation to recognize Joe Coccia, your
Growth Management Department Senior Field Inspector, as the
November 2019 Employee of the Month. Joe, if you'd step forward.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Congratulations. You got a
standing ovation back. He's blushing.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That's it. Tuck it away.
Congratulations.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Congratulations.
MR. OCHS: Stay right there, Joe.
Commissioners, Joe's been with the Growth Management
Division since 2015. His current assignment is to oversee the road
construction and drainage installation work for the Stormwater
Division's joint county/City of Naples project west of
Goodlette-Frank Road. This project is very large and complicated,
consisting of removing existing roadways, installing new sewer and
water mains and associated drainage, and reconstructing those roads.
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Joe's met with many of the residents and business owners and has
done an outstanding job of keeping them informed and
knowledgeable about what is happening with this project.
His interactions have succeeded in keeping complaints to a
minimum, which is quite unusual for such a large-scale project such
as this.
He always goes above and beyond to make sure everyone's
needs are met to the best of his ability, and his can-do attitude and his
always looking out for the residents and taxpayers' best interest --
which makes him so deserving of this award. Commissioners, it's my
honor to present Joe Cassia as your Growth Management Employee
of the month for November 2019.
Congratulations, Joe.
(Applause.)
Item #4
PROCLAMATIONS - ONE MOTION TAKEN TO ADOPT ALL
PROCLAMATIONS
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, we move on to proclamations this
morning.
Item #4B
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING JANUARY 16, 2020 AS
NATIONAL RELIGIOUS FREEDOM DAY IN COLLIER
COUNTY. ACCEPTED BY GREG HARPER, FATHER MICHAEL
ORSI, PASTOR RICK BALDWIN, PASTOR ANDREW DELONG
AND PASTOR GREG BALL – ADOPTED
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MR. OCHS: Item 4B is a proclamation designating January 16,
2020, as National Religious Freedom Day in Collier County. To be
accepted by Greg Harper. Mr. Harper, if you would step forward,
please.
(Applause.)
MR. HARPER: May I make a few remarks?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Please, I would love to.
MR. HARPER: Since your agenda shrunk.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yeah. I was going to say, we don't
have anything else to do today.
MR. HARPER: So, again, thank you very much for issuing this
proclamation. By my count, I believe this is the sixth year that the
Board of Commissioners has issued a proclamation recognizing
Religious Freedom Day. This will also be the 26th year that the
president has done so. And it declares January 16th as Religious
Freedom Day. The purpose for recognizing that day is it coincides
with the Virginia statute on religious freedom, which was penned by
Thomas Jefferson and was adopted by the Virginia House of
Burgesses in 1786, and it stands as one the seminal documents
describing the interaction between church and state.
So thank you again for issuing this. I just also -- the
proclamation encourages communities to take steps and to conduct
activities that take advantage of the religious freedom that this
country holds.
On January 16th, in Collier County, a group of volunteers will
be going into our Collier County high schools, public high schools,
and leaving bibles to be picked up by students. In the nine years that
I've been involved with the program, we've had over 7,000 bibles
picked up by Collier County high schools.
So, again, thank you for recognizing this very important right
that we have. Thanks.
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(Applause.)
Item #4C
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING JANUARY 17, 2020 AS DR.
MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. PRAYER BREAKFAST DAY IN
COLLIER COUNTY. ACCEPTED BY WYNN WATKINS,
PRESIDENT, TRINITY LIFE FOUNDATION, PASTOR RIC
NEAL, DR. HENRY FLOYD, JR., AND DAVID HINDS –
ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Item 4C is a proclamation designating
January 17th, 2020, as Dr. Martin Luther King Junior Prayer
Breakfast Day in Collier County. To be accepted by Pastor Rick
Neal, founder of Trinity Life Foundation; Wynn Watkins, president;
Dr. Henry Floyd Junior; David Hinds; and Akita Cannon.
(Applause.)
MR. OCHS: And Sheriff Rambosk.
MR. WATKINS: My name is Wynn Watkins. I am the
President and CEO of Trinity Life Foundation.
And to the commissioners and to acknowledgment of my board,
we are so humbled and pleased that you have honored us with this
proclamation. It's a wonderful event for a new organization. You
need to know that on January the 17th at the Hilton, the wonderful
Dr. King celebration will continue. The funds for that will go toward
us helping the juvenile justice system, the students, and the pare nts
who need assistance on how to walk through the process.
Donna, I know that you are retiring, but I need to acknowledge
you, because you have been such a leader in our community, with the
eight Kiwanis clubs with our focus being on children all these years,
and the foundation is continuing to do that with the focus on children.
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We know that as Collier County continues to expand in population,
we must find ways to knit ourselves to be closer together. So thank
you so very much for this honor.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you, Wynn.
(Applause.)
Item #4D
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING JANUARY 11 - 19, 2020 AS
KINDNESS AWARENESS WEEK IN COLLIER COUNTY IN
SUPPORT OF THE ANNUAL "ONE MILLION ACTS OF
KINDNESS" CAMPAIGN. ACCEPTED BY BOB VOTRUBA
WITH HIS BOSTON TERRIER TRAVELING COMPANION,
BOGART, AND BRENDA ARNOLD FROM THE BOYS & GIRLS
CLUB OF COLLIER COUNTY – ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Item 4D is a proclamation designating
January 11th through the 19th, 2020, as Kindness Awareness Week
in Collier County in support of the annual One Million Acts Of
Kindness Campaign. To be accepted by Bob Votruba with his
Boston Terrier traveling companion, Bogart, and Megan McCarthy
Beauvais and Brenda Beauvais from the Boys and Girls Club of
Collier County. Good morning.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We've met Bogart before.
MR. VOTRUBA: Yes, you have.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: There you go, sir. You want Bogart
to read it?
MR. VOTRUBA: Absolutely.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: The dog is misbehaving?
(Applause.)
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MS. BEAUVAIS: I was told I have a few minutes. Thank you
again for getting my name right. It's the second month in a row, and
I'm excited to be back here.
We just wanted to thank the commissioners for recognizing
something that we feel is very important for all young people to
learn, and that's kindness. It's especially important for them to gain
academic skills and to progress through their learning, but to teach
kids how to have empathy and to teach kids how to have respect and
how to associate with one another in a positive way will only help
our world be a better place.
So we really work with our young people. We're so happy to
have the kindness bus come every year to really help our students and
our young people learn how to be kind, generous, caring, productive
citizens for the world today. So we think that is a great legacy to
leave with our kids, as they will be our future leaders.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you very much.
(Applause.)
Item #4E
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING JANUARY 11, 2020 AS
CHILDREN'S BUSINESS FAIR DAY IN COLLIER COUNTY.
ACCEPTED BY ALEX BREAULT, AMANDA BEIGHTS, NIKKIE
DVORCHAK, MICHAEL DALBY, AND MADELINE YOUNG –
ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Item 4E is a proclamation designating
January 11th, 2020, as Children's Business Fair Day in Collier
County. To be accepted by Alex Breault, Amanda Beights, Nikkie
Dvorchak, Michael Dalby, and Madeline Young. Good morning.
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(Applause.)
MS. BEIGHTS: Good morning, Commissioners. My name is
Amanda Beights, and I'm the Vice President of the Leadership
Collier Foundation with the Greater Naples Chamber of Commerce.
We thank you so much for recognizing January 11th, 2020, as
the Children's Business Fair Day. The Naples Children Business
Fair, in partnership with the wonderful Collier County Public
Schools, who's here today, offers the opportunity for young
entrepreneurs ages 6 to 17 to showcase and sell their original product
or service to the public through a fun and interactive event with
children's business booths. We'll have over 125 student businesses
this year, and we're so excited.
Through this entrepreneurial experience, students will learn the
basics about business strategies, salesmanship, communications skills
and marketing, all while enjoying the rewards of their hard work.
The Leadership Collier Foundation of the Greater Naples
Chamber will work with participants post event to help continue their
professional growth, connect them with business leaders, and provide
and support -- and provide support on their entrepreneurial journey.
The proceeds benefit the Leadership Collier Foundation in support of
our youth development work and work-based learning initiatives,
such as internship connections, work site tours, and career shadow
days for all of our local students.
I want to thank Nikkie Dvorchak, our vice president of events
and development at the Chamber, for leading this event; Alex
Breault, our director of work-based learning, who supports business
and student connections every day; and I want to thank our sponsors.
And I thank you again for helping us nurture and grow our
workforce. We hope to see you and all of you in the audience with us
on January 11th to support, buy, and have fun.
Thank you.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Absolutely.
(Applause.)
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, if I can get a motion to approve
today's proclamations, please.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: So moved.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Second.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded that
we approve today's proclamations. Any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved. Done.
MR. OCHS: Thank you.
Item #5A
THE COLLIER COUNTY BUSINESS OF THE MONTH FOR
DECEMBER 2019 TO HEALTHCARE NETWORK OF
SOUTHWEST FLORIDA. ACCEPTED BY DR. EMILY PTASZEK
– PRESENTED
MR. OCHS: Item 5A is a presentation of the Collier
County Business of the Month for December 2019 to the Healthcare
Network of Southwest Florida. To be accepted this morning by Lou
Traina, Vice President of Philanthropy; Julie Blauman, Vice
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President of Human Resources; Tom VanPelt, VP of Operations; and
Tami Raznoff, Chief Financial Officer.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: You earned it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Haris is in front of me so nobody
can see me.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: You're the only one that's taller
than him.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I'm totally joking. There we go,
outstanding.
Good morning, Mr. Lou.
MR. TRAINA: Well, this is really quite an honor. I want to
thank you all for this recognition. I actually represent the -- our
board of directors of the operation as well as the board of trusts of the
foundation, our president, Dr. Emily Ptaszek.
I was asked to just say a few things about Healthcare Network,
so I thought I'd give you some data, which really kind of gives you
the size of this organization.
I was actually proud to serve in this organization on their
operation board for several years, and then I was asked to come on to
help raise some money. Healthcare Network is a fairly qualified
health center that provides healthcare really to the working poor
regardless of insurance status. And in Collier County, that represents
well over 51,000 patients' primary -care visits which represent well
over 200,000 patient visits.
So when we say integrated primary care, that means, let's say,
when a pediatrician is working with a child, he's working -- he or she
is working side by side with a doctoral psychologist. And because
it's the working poor and because Florida's a primarily children-only
Medicaid state, well over half the children in Collier County are our
patients, and that's well -- that's probably about 34,000 children of the
51,000 patients that we see. So it's a large population of children that
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we see. Pretty much all the charities we have in town, we pretty
much provide the healthcare for those children, those charities.
We do get federal dollars, but we have about $10.3 million in
uncompensated care. And so we really depend on grants and
philanthropic giving in order to be able to, you know, get us in the
black each year.
Some other interesting things that people don't know about: We
deliver 40 percent of all the babies in Collier County. A few other
things here. We -- now, we treated, in 2018, 13,000 uninsured, and
of that about 22,000 Medicaid patients; again, children that we
served. So it's a large population. And 36,500 patients are at or
below the poverty level that we serve. So it's a pretty significant
population that we're serving.
I do want to add that we're building a facility in Golden Gate.
Not one penny from the taxpayer. Fifty-seven thousand square-foot
facility that's going to be open in April. There's going to be an open
house on April 2nd. You're all going to be invited to that. This is a
remarkable facility, because you've got senior care, you've got
children care, pediatric care. You have dental care. We have
pharmacies.
It's just a remarkable facility, and the flow is just perfect for
every area of the patient populations we serve. So all of you will be
getting an invitation for that.
But I want to thank you for this opportunity and, again, we're just so
proud to get this award. Thank you.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'd just like to say what an
important organization this is for the county and emphasize this
model that they have of integrative care is really the gold standard
and innovative as well. Merging primary healthcare with
mental-health services is really a game changer, I think, and we're
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lucky to have them here. So thank you for everything you do for the
community.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Everything that you do. Thank
you.
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, before we move on, I believe
Commissioner Fiala had a special presentation she wanted to make
this morning.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, yes, I sure did.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Penny, would you join me.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Let me go outside the room for a
second. I'll be right back.
Ms. Mary, would you please come up.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I've never seen Mary, you know,
nervous or tentative about anything, but right there she looked a little
worried.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And she's the one with the gun.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: This is our beloved Mary Buck.
She has been here with us for years, and I tell you, we're going to lose
her. She's going to retire. And not that we would allow it, but she's
going to do it anyway whether we like it or not. And so this is going
to be her last meeting with us. And on behalf of all of the
commissioners here, together, we kind of just threw in a little bit of
stuff, and other departments have also thrown a little stuff here and
there, money. That's stuff; that's money. And we would like to
present Mary with this --
MS. BUCK: Oh, my gosh.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- plaque. It's really pretty, isn't it?
MS. BUCK: It is.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And that's on behalf of all of us,
and then we also have some flowers. That's on behalf of our office
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alone. And we just want to thank you so much for all you do for all
of us.
MS. BUCK: Thank you so much.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Guarding us every time we walk in.
You know, when we get out of our car, Mary is ther e. And we really
appreciate it. No matter where we are, she's there. She's amazing.
And so she's going to be a big loss.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Let me give you an example of
this amazing woman. So we're in the parking lot getting into my car,
and Mary's looking and saying, that license tag, it's expired. It's one
of our staff members. Oh, look it's expired. I better call them,
because they're going to get picked up.
Or one time when it was pouring rain, pouring rain, and the
whole lot was flooded, and I was a new commissioner, and Mary
took her jacket, her wonderful -- I don't know. It was a navy jacket.
Whatever it was. And she draped me of it, and I carried my shoes,
and she put an umbrella over my head and walked me to my car.
This is the caliber of this woman. That's why we're honoring her
today.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And could I -- since she's
worked with all of us for three years, for I think three of us for, yeah,
for almost a little over three years, we'd like to join you down there
for the photograph, if that's okay.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, that would be wonderful.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Please do.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: This is -- Penny and I are up here,
but it's from all of us, and all of the staff, too, that participated.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I think there might be a cake in
our conference room --
MS. BUCK: Oh, my.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: -- that the guys downstairs can
participate in.
MS. BUCK: Oh, thank you.
MR. OCHS: Congratulations, Mary.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Do you want to give a speech?
MS. BUCK: No.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: What was your rank? You were,
what, Navy?
MS. BUCK: Chief petty officer.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: How many years?
MS. BUCK: Twenty-one.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: That's our Mary.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And I will add that no matter how
many times we accidently push the lockdown button under the dais,
and Mary comes sprinting up the stairs, she always does it with a
smile, including, I think, the day I did it, like, three times.
Item #11A
APPOINTING A MEMBER OF STAFF AS A COMPLETE
COUNT COORDINATOR TO WORK PROACTIVELY AND
COLLABORATIVELY TO PROMOTE AND EDUCATE
RESIDENTS OF UNINCORPORATED COLLIER COUNTY ON
THE UPCOMING 2020 UNITED STATES CENSUS – MOTION
TO APPOINT MARIA PIZARRO – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, that moves us to Item 11A this
morning. This is a recommendation to direct the County Manager to
appoint a member of staff as a complete count coordinator to work
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proactively and collaboratively to promote and educate residents of
unincorporated Collier County on the upcoming 2020 United States
census.
Mr. Mullins, your Government Affairs Manager, will make a
brief presentation. John.
MR. MULLINS: Good morning, Commissioners. For the
record, John Mullins, Government Affairs Manager, here to revisit
with you the 2020 census complete count options.
And to do that, let's do a quick recap on how we got here. First
staff conducted research supplemented by a fact survey sent to all 66
other counties, and we got about a 50 percent response rate from that.
And during that time, we also received an invitation from Collier
County Public Schools to provide a representative to their census
work group that met back on October 10th, and they're here to speak
to you shortly.
The research provided three distinct options, and you selected
the private-sector option back at your meeting on September 24th
augmented by Commissioner Saunders that wanted staff support
provided to any private-sector initiative. The other two options were
the complete count coordinator option, the staff-driven option, and
the BCC-created option that you would have created, which the
County Attorney recommended be fully Sunshine Law compliant if
selected to avoid any legal issues.
And at your last meeting on November 12th, you asked us to
come back to revisit these options again at this meeting.
Now, given the new year is approaching, any effort should focus
on unincorporated Collier County, specifically the Golden Gate area
and Immokalee area that are projected to have the highest rate of
undercount. Comparatively, Naples and Marco Island traditionally
have excellent response rates and are projected to do so again.
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And, of course, any effort needs to be planned and executed in
advance of April 1st, 2020, census day, which is only, now, 75
business days away.
So given efficiency and expediency are paramount, staff
recommends that you direct the County Manager to appoint a
complete count coordinator to increase awareness and participation in
the 2020 census via applicable county staff functions, resources, and
programs, again, targeting unincorporated Collier County.
Now, this staff-driven approach is not unique. There are
currently four other counties that have staff -driven initiatives
underway, including Monroe County to our south that has an
anointed staff member as a complete count coordinator.
And we already have a running head start. As previously
directed by the Board, staff has been supporting community efforts
since early October. And the talented Maria Pizzaro from the
Communications Division is doing yeoman's work in this regard, and
she will provide you a brief update on her efforts and examples of
some things that an anointed and proactive complete count
coordinator could do on the county's behalf if approved.
Thank you.
MS. PIZZARO: Good morning. For the record, Maria Pizzaro,
Community Relations Specialist for Communications and Customer
Relations.
Since our last meeting, in September 24th we've met with the
following agencies -- let me switch it -- with the following agencies
to inquire on their outreach efforts and offer county staff supports
that have decided to create their own census count committee.
Our accomplishments to date have been we've coordinated with the
Redlands Christian Migrant Association to assist in their census
effort which they started in March. We've also met with the
Immokalee Interagency, and they've all showed interest in creating
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their own census count committee. They've invited over 60 agencies
to this meeting, which takes place tomorrow.
Okay. Some of the outreach efforts for the complete count
coordinator will include, or could include: A social media campaign;
advertise this information on the county's web page; partner with
locate non-English-speaking media. Eighty percent of the population
in Immokalee and the Golden Gate area are non-English-speaking
residents; post census information in the county facilities like parks,
libraries, buses. One of the ideas that we had was to use the libraries
as access points where people can come and register during a specific
amount of time; continue our outreach efforts with our local civic
leaders, churches, HOAs and other entities. Also include county
departments already working with the community and use existing
data and resources to enhance our outreach efforts; and, finally,
continue working with our census partnership specialist and other
entities to hold community census workshops.
So that's all I have. Do you have any questi ons?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Are you the anointed one?
MS. PIZZARO: Looks like it, yes.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I'll make a motion for approval.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chairman, we do have two registered public
speakers on this item from the school board.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I know that.
MR. MILLER: Sorry, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I saw the little note up here.
There's no sorries. I just was wanting to make sure as long as --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I seconded it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And it's been moved and seconded,
but let's have our public speakers. Do you want to call them, please?
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MR. MILLER: Sure. Your public speaker is Lisa Morse, and
she's been ceded three additional minutes from Chad Oliver.
MS. MORSE: Good morning. I'm Lisa Morse from the Collier
County Public Schools. I'll just find the little clicker here.
And I wanted to thank you for considering this item today. I'm here
to share Collier County Public Schools' support in the complete count
coordinator for the census that the staff is recommending.
I just have a couple of quick slides I'm going to go over real
quick. This slide shows the scope of the residents we have in Collier
County all the way from the newborns to the young families to the
professionals in our community to the senior citizens, all who need to
be counted for this census. Everyone counts is the goal for the 2020
census.
Well, the goal is everyone counts. We know from previous
counts that our county has room for improvement. Historically,
Collier County is underreported compared to the state. As you can
see on this screen, there is room for improvement.
Additionally, this year will also have the census completed
online, and that could prove to be an additional challenge for our
residents.
I'm sure you would all agree that the count is important, and
there's tremendous value in the public government entity stepping in
to help spread awareness, whether its city governments, county
governments, or a school district. While other public entities and
organizations can support, the county has the greatest influence over
all the major areas that would be affected by this census.
The results of this census can affect many areas in the county.
These can include federal funding like transportation, healthcare, first
responders and emergency response, education, of course, and
disaster relief, and social services.
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Collier County Public Schools is keenly aware of the impact on
education, but we look to the county to focus efforts on the other
areas that could be impacted by the census.
As Mr. Mullin's mentioned, CCPC did host a meeting in
October to bring together over 20 representatives from various
educational organizations to share the importance of the census. We
were joined by Michelle Malsbury from the Atlanta Regional Census
Center to provide information and representation. We extended an
invitation to the county to join the meeting. And thank you, Maria,
for joining us.
During the meeting, it was shared that, in education, the census
can affect things such as special education, teacher training,
school-lunch assistance, head-start programs, and after-school
programs.
During this meeting, these educational partners learned about
the importance of the census and were encouraged to help drive
participation. And I can tell you that all of those education groups
who attended were very interested in helping, and I know that they
will support the efforts of the county.
Collier County Public Schools is also ready to support the
efforts of a countywide initiative to improve participation in this
census. We recognize that we have a large audience and -- we can
reach through our communication efforts. We are preparing a census
tool kit that we will give to all of our schools. In fact, we recently
started this by presenting to our principals information about the
census. So we bring this support to the county and the reach we have
to our audience.
We strongly believe that the county's in the best position to
promote the census participation from all audience s. That's why
we're here today to support this recommendation. We remain
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committed to do our part and get the best count we can for all of our
citizens. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Absolutely. All right. It's been
moved and seconded that we --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Was there another speaker?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No. There was two speakers and --
ceded time. She was the only one. It's okay.
All right. It's been moved and seconded that we accept staff's
recommendation and anoint Ms. Marie. Any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
MR. OCHS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Where's the sword? She's now
anointed.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Thank you.
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, before we move forward, I have to
correct an error that I made when we set the agenda this morning.
You had asked to move Item 16A5 off the consent agenda. I
erroneously moved that to Item 9G. It should be Item 11O under the
County Manager's report. It's not an advertised public hearing. So
16A5 will become Item 11O on the County Manager regular agenda.
Thank you for that, Commissioners.
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Item #7
PUBLIC COMMENTS ON GENERAL TOPICS NOT ON THE
CURRENT OR FUTURE AGENDA
MR. OCHS: And that moves us to Item 7 this morning, public
comments on general topics not on the current or future agenda.
MR. MILLER: We have one registered speaker, Garrett FX
Beyrent.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: It doesn't look like he's here.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I don't think he's here, is he? There
he is.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Beyrent.
MR. BEYRENT: You know I was going to be here, right?
I'm just here to thank you all for participating with my little game I
played with you over the last year. It wasn't my idea. It was Barbara
Bush's idea, okay. And Mr. Callahan, who's my new boss, he's got a
note that I got from Barbara. Barbara Bush used to send me notes.
They were little index cards, and she would give me orders of what I
had to do to save the world through literacy, and that's what I'm going
to do.
And I just want to thank you for including my property in the
innovation zone so I can get to work with all the people that want to
change the world. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you. Merry Christmas.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Happy Holidays.
MR. MILLER: And that was our only speaker for that item.
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, excuse me. We had a
miscommunication here. But I was approached before the meeting
by Julie Garrett, who's the Public Affairs Specialist with the U.S.
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Small Business Administration, and she wanted to make just a very
brief public information announcement about disaster aid.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Absolutely. Please.
MS. GARRETT: Good morning, Commissioners.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Good morning.
MS. GARRETT: My name is Julie Garrett. I'm a Public Affairs
Specialist for the SBA Office of Disaster Assistance. And I'm here
just to say, very briefly, that there is a disaster declaration right now
for Hurricane Dorian. Yes, Dorian didn't make landfall in Florida,
but a lot of businesses closed and had cancellations and had an
interruption to their business.
So if any of those businesses experienced economic losses, they
can apply for a working capital loan with the SBA right now. It's
very simple to do. The applications are at disasterloan.SBA.gov, and
you can call 800-659-2955 if you have questions. And the loans are
for up to $2 million, which sounds like a lot right now, but perhaps a
business might have been trading with the Bahamas or might have
been involved with shipping, so those are things that could have
impacted their bottom line as well.
So I just wanted to let you know that that is in existence right
now. The deadline is August 13th, 2020.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Thank you.
MS. GARRETT: Okay. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Appreciate that. And you've got
formal information to our staff --
MR. OCHS: I have it all here.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: -- so we can disseminate it?
MR. OCHS: Yes.
MS. GARRETT: I've also emailed you the information as well.
Thank you.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Perfect. Thank you.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: When was the hurricane?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Dorian.
Item #11B
DETERMINATING WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A
BALLOT INITIATIVE TO RE-ESTABLISH CONSERVATION
COLLIER LAND ACQUISITION PROGRAM – MOTION TO
MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RE-ESTABLISHMENT OF
CONSERVATION COLLIER – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, that moves us to Item 11B on this
morning's agenda. This is a recommendation to determine whether to
move forward with a ballot initiative to reestablish the Conservation
Collier Land Acquisition Program. Summer Araque will make the
presentation.
MR. MILLER: I have two registered speakers for this item.
MS. ARAQUE: Good morning, Summer Araque, Conservation
Collier Coordinator.
I don't have a presentation because it's just a simple question for
you all, and if you have any questions for me on the item before you,
please let me know.
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, just a reminder, the Board had
bifurcated this item to make the policy decision today, and then if
you decide to re-establish a program, staff was directed to bring back
ballot language options and considerations in your January meeting.
MS. ARAQUE: Yes, the second meeting in January.
MR. OCHS: Yes.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And does this also set the
millage rate? Our vote will set the millage rate; is that correct?
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MS. ARAQUE: In January.
MR. OCHS: In January.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: In January, okay.
MS. ARAQUE: Today simply before you, as you requested, do
you all -- do you want to continue the acquisition portion of the
Conservation Collier Program and, in turn, that would mean that I
would come back to you with ballot language which is already ready
for you to review at your second meeting in January.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Wait a minute.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: So do we make a motion, then, to
start the program or what?
MR. OCHS: Yes, ma'am. I think --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: To be heard at another --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's going to not come before us on
a formal vote until January. This is just a consen sus to go forward
with --
MR. OCHS: We'd like a vote on whether the Board wants to
re-establish the program, and if so, then we'll bring back the ballot
language. Assuming you want to do this through a voter referendum,
we'd bring back the specific language for consideration in January.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Do you want to hear our public
speakers?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I just want to make sure I'm clear
on what we're voting on. This is -- I mean, the Conservation Collier
Program itself exists.
MR. OCHS: Yes, but if you -- the discussion over the past year
has been about re-establishing a dedicated funding source for new
acquisition --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Funding source.
MR. OCHS: -- of new conservation land.
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right, okay. So it's whether or not
we want to restart the funding mechanism for it, okay. I just want to
make sure. That's what I understood.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: So I'll make a motion if this is an
appropriate time.
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, would you like to hear the
speakers?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Sure, or we can do the motion and
then hear our speakers. I think it would be prudent for us to hear our
speakers in either case. So if you want to -- either way we go. Let's
hear our public speakers.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chairman, your first speaker is Gladys
Delgadillo. She will be followed by Pegeen Hanrahan.
MS. DELGADILLO: Hi, Gladys Delgadillo on behalf of the
Conservancy of Southwest Florida.
The Conservancy is proud to support the reestablishment of the
Conservation Collier Program. We've enjoyed working with the
county on this initiative over the years and believe the program has
been tremendously successful.
The program has been able to partner with the state on projects
like Freedom Park, which was designed to protect our water quality
as well as our homes from flooding. It also provides habitat for
wildlife like river otters, green blue herons, and turtles.
The program has saved wetlands that protect our drinking water,
like those found at the Panther Walk Preserve in Golden Gate Estates,
and the program has protected area for public recreation that I have
personally enjoyed from walking my dog, Otis, from the zoo parking
lot, along the Gordon River Greenway, all the way to Baker Park, to
taking photographs with my friends at Pepper Ranch Preserve's
annual sunflower bloom.
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Collier County has voted in favor of this program twice before,
and we have every reason to believe the county will support the
program again if you vote to place it on the ballot in 2020. We as k
for your support today to give voters the chance to reauthorize this
program and continue doing the good work of protecting Collier
County's water quality, wildlife, and quality of life.
Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Your final speaker on this item is Pegeen
Hanrahan.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Pegeen.
MR. MILLER: Pegeen.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I don't see her.
MR. MILLER: And I was just handed these. Oop. There she
is. I hope I'm not mispronouncing your first name too awfully.
MS. HANRAHAN: No, not at all. And, I'm sorry; I was
outside speaking to staff in the hall.
I'm Pegeen Hanrahan with the Trust for Public Land. Thank
you all for the great work that you always do.
We're just here in support of the continuation of Conservation
Collier. Obviously, it will be up to your citizens and voters to decide
whether or not that's in their best interest, but you do have a long and
proud history here in Collier County.
So I'm available to answer any questions. What I do for the
Trust for Public Land throughout Florida, Georgia, North and South
Carolina is support local governments in funding primarily at the
ballot box. So we're here to support your local organizations that are
helping this and provide whatever information that you-all might
need. Are there any questions?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No questions, no. Thank you very
much.
MS. HANRAHAN: Thank you.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I have a thought, before you go
forward with your motion. And I would -- I would like for us to give
some consideration.
I would be prepared today, as a pilot program, to initiate or
instigate staff to do whatever's necessary legally to put a line item on
the tax bill next year for Conservation Collier but as a voluntary
contribution and do that as a two-, three-year pilot program till the '22
election; see what kind of support Conservation Collier gets from a
voluntary standpoint, philanthropic, along those lines.
The program exists, Commissioner Solis; you already brought
that up. We know that the theoretical perpetual Maintenance Fund,
as they refer to it regularly, is not perpetual. There is a term. The
burn rate's 750- to a million dollars a year in expenditures and
maintenance. We've allowed for reductions of that amount. Even to
the extent that it would be done to the maximum is still $15 million
and still allows for continued maintenance and appropriations for the
program for another 10 to 15 years depending on what that burn rate,
in fact, is.
And I have concerns with regard to our electorate and the
increase in taxation. Increase in impact fees that's coming today, I
perceive, is going to go through. Their margin of support for the
sales tax was very, very small, less than 1 percent.
And my thoughts are, if we were to do this now, we can -- we
can do this for a couple, three years, see which way the wind's
blowing. With the support from the community as opposed to this
being a divisive item of those who are in support of increasing
taxation for Conservation Collier and not, the organizations that are
in support of this can help promote it and help promote the benefits
of what Conservation Collier, in fact, has done.
I don't think there is a person in our community that's not in
support of conservation at all, but there's certainly a lot of diverse
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opinions with regard to the mandate -- even a ballot question, the
mandate of a taxation increase.
So my thoughts are -- and, of course, you know, I can't approve
or disapprove the ballot language without having seen it, but I
think -- I would be in support of doing that today and have it be on a
voluntary basis for a pilot period of -- until the '22 election comes up,
and do the same thing then.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Have we --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: They don't know about this.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Is it -- legally, I mean, can we put
something on the tax bill that's not collect -- I mean, the tax bill is the
tax bill. If you don't pay your taxes, there's consequences for that.
MR. KLATZKOW: It sort of sounds like a little check box you
do on your federal taxes for a dollar for the --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Or your Florida Bar dues statement.
MR. KLATZKOW: I don't know that you can do this, but I
can't tell you for certain that you can't. If -- I'll have to come back to
the Board. I'm not aware of this ever being done. It doesn't mean it
can't be done.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'm just curious if it's -- if it can be
done, yeah.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. I think that -- I think the
outcome of whatever we do with this is extremely important to our
community from here on in. We've got land that we're putting into
trust. We're buying this land and keeping it out of the public realm
altogether, and it protects our water sources, our future water sources,
our wildlife, and the green space. And we -- I don't think we can just
haphazard decide if somebody wants to check it or something, that
that would work. We need a fund, and we need it -- and this fund
that you were talking about that is sitting there that was assigned to
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maintenance, we're going to own that land that we own right now
forever, and we've got to maintain it.
So we shouldn't be tapping into that anymore. We should be
establishing a separate fund, as we've done before, just for that. And
I don't -- anything less than is not accomplishing the goal and putting
these things into our hands rather than letting it be bought up by
developers.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And, you know, I don't disagree
with what you're saying.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Good.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I just don't see the urgency to have
to do this right now with the available funds that we have. I certainly
am not proposing that we do anything not legal, Commissioner Solis.
I wouldn't do that on purpose.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: But the funds available, are those
funds that are supposed to be maintaining the properties we already
own?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right. And we are -- have already
established that $30 million, and at the burn rate -- I call it a burn
rate. That's the current expenditures that Conservation Collier's
going through. Somewhere between 800- and a million dollars --
800,000 and a million dollars a year.
And even if we were, per Commissioner Saunders and as the
motion that we made to allow for that spend down of that money to
no less than 15 million, we still have close to no less than 15 years at
the current rate. It's going to go up a little bit because we've agreed
to buy another 1,000 or 1,200 or so acres in the last couple of months,
so that expense is going to go up.
But still, there's still a large amount of money. And we can try
this, see if, in fact, there is support from the community on a
voluntary basis to continue to support Conservation Collier. If it's
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not sufficient, we can do it in a '22 election cycle and not burden --
based upon the vote of the electorate in the '20 election, not burden
the community with an additional taxation. I'm talking to you.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. Well, my response to that
is -- thank you -- is you can't keep burning that money that we have
there to maintain the property in perpetuity because you're going to
burn it down, and then we're never going to be replenishing it, and
then how do we maintain that property afterwards?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: You know, that is not what the
purpose for that money is. We have to have money to maintain it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I understand.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And so I just -- I don't agree with
that. And I make a motion, then, to move forward with a ballot
initiative of re -- to re-establish the Conservation Collier Land
Acquisition Program.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'll second that motion.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Did you have something
else you wanted to say, or were you just going to second? Because
you were lit up.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah, I was, but I think my
colleague to my left who, frankly, on his second meeting as a
commissioner, brought up -- or maybe it was your first meeting --
brought up Conservation Collier. I'd like to hear from you.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Well, all I was going to say
is, in terms of the motion, whether that's approved or not, I think we
should continue to approve moving forward with the regular program
so we can have a meaningful debate on that, because this is brand
new, and we don't know if it's le gal or not. And if it is legal, we're
not sure how effective that could be, and I think we need some advice
on that.
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So regardless of how this motion goes, I'll support your motion
just to have more information, but I'm going to support the motion
that's on the table now to approve going forward with the
Conservation Collier Program, because my kind of gut reaction is, if
the voters want this, and it's their decision, then so be it. And, really,
the only way to be effective in raising money is through a program
like the one that we've done in the past as opposed to just a voluntary
check the box on a piece of paper and the tax bill.
So the motion on the floor right now is to move forward with the
Conservation Collier Program, I believe. I'm going to support that.
I'll support you in your discussion of bringing it back, further
discussion. I'll support the motion that's on the floor.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And I'll support the motion as well.
I don't want you to -- again, I watched what transpired in the first
ballot language that came forward with Conservation Collier. A lot
of misrepresentation, a lot of divisiveness within our community as to
what the program was and wasn't going to do. And I don't think
anyone in here -- anyone in the community can argue that the
program has, in fact, been a success. There's not a rush.
Conservation Collier needs funding. We all know that. That's
been agreed upon; that was designated as the perpetual Maintenance
Fund is not perpetual. It is being spent to the tune of 800- to a
million -- 800,000 to a million a year.
Even if it were maximized in the current ordinance to be brought
down to the 15 million, there's still at least 15 years of revenue there
for the maintenance, not -- and then some additional funds for
acquisitions.
So having said all that, I -- from a timing standpoint, County
Attorney, County Manager, neither one of you heard about this,
because I was off in the M-CORES meeting yesterday. I recall there
are timing issues with regard -- if, in fact, the Board would choose to
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go forward with the designation of the line item on the tax bill, and
voluntary, and do that for three years just to see how much we
collected, do we have -- if we were to put this ultimate decision off
until January, do we have sufficient time?
MR. KLATZKOW: If we're bringing this back for another
discussion, this will be part of that executive summary.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Gotcha. All right. No further
discussion requisite. I don't have anything.
Commissioner Solis.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: The only thing I was going to say is
I agree with Commissioner Saunders. I mean, it's an interesting idea
whether or not we can put a voluntary payment of some kind for
anything on the tax bill, and I think that -- it would be great to hear
from the Tax Collector on that. I mean, that's a really innovative
idea.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You leave me alone long enough,
I'll come up with something.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: So I would like to know the answer
to that. In terms of -- I'm going to support the motion to move
forward, too, because, I mean, this was a central thing, at least in
some respects, in my last election, and I committed to bringing this to
the voters, and I think we just -- we have to. At least, I feel obligated
that that was something that I committed to do, and I want to see it
through.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I do as well. I mean, there's no
argument. Again, I don't want anybody to misconstrue what I'm
talking about. There's no argument that we're in support of the
program. We like what's going on. I have concerns with regard to
the increase in taxation for our electorate. The economic cycle that
we're in is going to shift at some stage. And so doing this as a pilot
program for three years had merit. Again, you leave me alo ne long
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enough, and I'll think something up. But I'm going to support the
motion to move it forward.
So it's been moved and seconded that we go forward with staff's
recommendation with regard to this. Any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, if we could take the one companion
item to this that Commissioner Taylor put on the agenda under 10A,
and then maybe a court reporter break would be appropriate.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yeah. Terri's eyes are watering.
Item #10A
THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN A TECHNICAL ADVICE AND
ASSISTANCE LETTER FROM THE TRUST FOR PUBLIC LAND
AND THE NATURE CONSERVANCY IN CONNECTION WITH
PUBLIC POLLING OF CITIZENS TO ASCERTAIN THE
BALLOT LANGUAGE FOR THE 2020 CONSERVATION
COLLIER REFERENDUM – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Item 10A is a recommendation to approve and
request the chairman to sign a technical advice and assistance letter
from the Trust for Public Land and the Nature Conservancy in
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connection with public polling of citizens to ascertain the ballot
language for the 2020 Conservation Collier referendum.
As I mentioned, Commissioner Taylor placed this item on the
agenda.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And the reason -- this doesn't
obligate anything except to say that we're interested in this program.
There's no -- let me put it this way. No fiscal impact whatsoever.
But it is the stature of the Commission to say that we want the
assistance of the Nature Conservancy or Trust for Public Lands to
help with the ballot language, and that would be through polling.
And, frankly, that's a common -- common occurrence.
When the sales-tax initiative went out, the first thing they did is
poll to see the public's interest in it. So I would like to see if we
could just get the consensus to have the chairman, soon to be f ormer
chairman, sign that before he leaves.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll second that motion.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We have public speakers?
MR. MILLER: Yes, sir. We have three. Gladys Delgadillo will
be followed by Pegeen Hanrahan. And, Ms. Christina Heiser, you
submitted a slip after speakers on the last item. Would you like to
speak now?
MS. HEISER: It was on the prior item.
MR. MILLER: Yeah, I'm sorry. But that slip came after
speakers. Okay.
MS. HEISER: Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Ms. Delgadillo.
MS. DELGADILLO: Hello. Gladys Delgadillo again on behalf
of the Conservancy.
First I want to thank you for voting to move forward with
placing Conservation Collier on the ballot in 2020. The Conservancy
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would be very opposed to Commissioner McDaniel's idea of having
the voluntary option. So we appreciate you guys moving forward.
The Conservancy is happy to support the item before you. We
support Conservation Collier, and to help us in this work of moving
the program forward, we ask you to support the technical assistance
letter. Doing so will open up expert insight without committing the
county to any formal agreement or expenditure of public dollars.
Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Your final speaker is Pegeen Hanrahan.
MS. HANRAHAN: Thank you, Chair McDaniel, members of
the County Commission. You've had a great discussion here this
morning.
I'll just emphasize what Ms. Delgadillo and what Commissioner
Taylor said: This doesn't cost you anything. And we're under
contract with three other counties in Florida right now that are paying
something. So you are richly blessed -- I know I'm preaching to the
choir here -- to have some private-sector partners, and we are,
through your technical assistance letter approval, bringing some other
private-sector money to help.
Our goal is always to provide objective information. We do not
want to lead you down the path of going to the ballot if it does not
look good. We feel pretty confident it does, but we will work with
your local community and your staff, of course, and bring you some
great recommendations back likely through your CCLAC committee.
So thank you very much.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you.
MS. HANRAHAN: And I can answer any questions if you have
any.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We all set?
(No response.)
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded that
we approve the recommendations as put forward by staff. Any other
discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
MR. OCHS: Thank you, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Now we'll do a court reporter
break. And when will we be back, Commissioner Taylor?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: We will be back at 10:52.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: 10:52 we will be back.
(A brief recess was had from 10:42 a.m. to 10:55 a.m.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We're going to go to Commissioner
Taylor's pay, because she's the one that set the "be back" time, and
she's not here. So write that down.
MR. OCHS: Are you ready to go, sir?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We're open. She's actually
coordinating our lunch arrangements.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Making arrangement, our
celebration arrangements --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes, with Ms. Mary.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- for Mary.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Let's go.
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Item #9A
ORDINANCE 2019-47: AMENDMENTS TO THE IMMOKALEE
AREA MASTER PLAN ELEMENT OF THE COLLIER COUNTY
GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN, ORDINANCE 89-05, AS
AMENDED, AND TO TRANSMIT THE AMENDMENTS TO THE
FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY
AND OTHER STATUTORILY REQUIRED AGENCIES –
MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF’S RECOMMENDATIONS –
ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Move to Item 9A. This is a recommendation to
adopt the proposed amendments to the Immokalee Area Master Plan
element of the Collier County Growth Management Plan as amended,
and to transmit the amendments to the Florida Department of
Economic Opportunity.
MR. KLATZKOW: This requires supermajority. We do not
have a supermajority on the dais. Can we do a different item until we
get one?
MR. MILLER: I also have a registered speaker for this item.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Somebody ring a bell.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chairman, with your pleasure, while we
have a moment. I just want to make sure no one is left in the
audience for 9B. I had a couple of slips continue to come in after that
item was continued to a future meeting. So if you're here for 9B, that
item has been continued.
Thank you, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Here they come. Here they come.
So we don't have to go to another agenda item unless this is willful --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: This was Terri's fudge and
buckeyes and brownies.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Oh, you were eating in the back.
They were already into Mary's surprises. Oh, Terri made fudge.
Okay. And now we're ready to go, and we have a complete board.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Apologies.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And we were on 9A for the master
plan.
MR. OCHS: Yes, sir. Mr. Weeks.
MR. WEEKS: Yes. Good morning, Commissioners. I'm David
Weeks, Manager in the Comprehensive Planning section.
You have seen this item before at transmittal. This is the
adoption hearing for the Immokalee Area Master Plan amendments
based upon the previously directed restudy by this board.
At your transmittal hearing, you voted to approve it and send it
up to the various state agencies for review, unanimously. The Florida
Department of Economic Opportunity and the other reviewing
agencies had no objections to these amendments; however, the
Department did offer a suggestion, and that is that we would include
intensity standards for the nonresidential uses. And this is something
we don't typically do for an area-wide amendment such as this.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right.
MR. WEEKS: Site-specific amendments, yes, we do. So staff
has respectfully declined and would recommend to you that you not
impose such area-wide standards for the amendment.
The Planning Commission recommended approval by a vote of
5-1. The one dissenter had the same comments and concerns at the
transmittal hearing as the adoption hearing. Those concerns are
identified on Page 2 of your executive summary.
There's been one change since you saw this at transmittal, and
that is identified in your executive summary. It goes back to the
transmittal hearing when you had one speaker that expressed
concerns about impact on private property rights.
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So based on some discussion, I believe, between Commissioner
Saunders and the County Attorney's Office, we did revise one policy
in the master plan that changed some language as to how it pertains
to property rights.
So a landowner, if they believe their property rights have been
negatively impacted by these amendments, number one, could apply
for the Land Development Code process for a determination of vested
rights; number two, they could use any other legal means relevant to
establishing vested rights; and three, if the landowner asserts they
have certain rights that they've lost by adoption of these amendments
and staff agrees, then there's a very simplified process called a zoning
verification letter. There's a fee of $100. The applicant could submit
that. And, again, if staff agrees, they could respond back affirming
those uses; issue resolved.
With that, recommend approval.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Any discussion?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I've got a question for the County
Attorney. The added language in Policy 5.1.6, Paragraph C -- and
I'm glad that this language is in -- has been added. My question is: It
says that there shall be no time limitation of filing an application for a
determination of claim vested rights.
I don't know that I've ever seen that. And I'm just wondering
have we -- I mean, usually there's some time frame so that everybody
knows that within a certain amount of time we're going to have to
deal with this. Just an open-ended --
MR. KLATZKOW: The idea -- and I wrote the language.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yeah.
MR. KLATZKOW: The idea that nobody's going to know
about the change until five, 10, 15 years from now when they're
actually try to sell their property and they're saying, wait a second,
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what do you mean we can't do this? And my discussions with staff is
there is no intent to diminish anybody's property rights.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right; ever.
MR. KLATZKOW: So if we somehow inadvertently
diminished somebody's property rights, it stays with the property.
Whatever zoning rights you have now remain.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay.
MR. KLATZKOW: The entire idea of the change here is to
actually increase property right values rather than decrease.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And I like not having a limitation.
We've ran into issues before where zoning changes were effectuated,
and as our county attorney says, people don't know about it until they
go to -- people don't know about it until they go to develop their
property. And limitation -- the goal here is to enhance property
values.
MR. KLATZKOW: And the concept was I went to the Bert
Harris Act, and the language sort of parrots some of that language. In
the Bert Harris Act, the action doesn't accrue until you actually, well,
know about it.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Well, you're denied or something,
right.
MR. KLATZKOW: So there is no time frame. Our vested
rights determination goes back many, many years, and it was when
we redid the LDC. That one-year limitation is no longer valid, in my
mind, under the Bert Harris Act.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay. If everybody -- if you're
comfortable with that. I just hadn't seen that, so I thought I'd ask the
question.
MR. WEEKS: And, Commissioners, if I could make one
comment on that. This is an amendment to the Immokalee Area
Master Plan component of our Growth Management Plan. So we're
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not actually changing zoning through this action. So no one's zoning
rights are being changed in any way. What potentially could occur
would be that unknowingly, by adopting these amendments, you've
changed the allowance for someone to come in and req uest zoning of
a certain density or intensity.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you.
Well, I know we have at least one public speaker.
MR. MILLER: Yes, sir. We have one registered speaker,
Dr. Frank Nappo.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Do you have a comment before you
want to go, before we go to the public speakers?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'm going to wait until the
speakers, if I may.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay.
DR. NAPPO: I'm Frank Nappo, chair of the Immokalee CRA.
This is a thank you. I want to thank, first of all, the members of
Immokalee community, the members of our advisory board. We
have Ms. Andrea Halman here. I want to thank Andrea for all of her
work. I want to thank the County Manager and the staff. I want to
take -- thank our leader, our Commissioner Bill.
This has been going on since 1997. We've been here once
before, and so we're pretty excited and thankful that we're finally
here, and we're able to move on. So I want to thank everybody for
getting us to this point. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Absolutely.
MR. MILLER: And that is the only speaker I have on that item,
Mr. Chairman.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, with that, I'm going to make a
motion that we accept staff's recommendation and adopt the
Immokalee Area Master Plan.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'll second that.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Is there any other discussion?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes. Just -- it is bothering me.
And the reason I'm saying that, when someone files a vested rights
action against the county, it's -- there's a cost to it. There has to be.
There's a determination. You go through a process.
So rather than put that burden on the property owner, couldn't
we just say -- and I guess this is Penny's, you know, being the legal
mind here. Can't we just say that as of this date, whatever date we
pass, if it's this year, the property rights existing remain on the
property, meaning, the zoning remains on the property, which means
if someone comes in and we don't like this or -- in a future
commission or future staff, it's already written that, look, whatever
they had as of that date is what they have.
MR. KLATZKOW: Could you put the language on the
overhead, please?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Well -- but it's talking about the
process. That's what worries me. It's an expensive process.
MR. KLATZKOW: And maybe I could have phrased it better.
I did phrase it, it's not the intent that this burden or diminish any
existing use of the property.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Correct.
MR. KLATZKOW: I put the zoning verification process in
there that will be a quick, inexpensive way for staff to tell somebody,
yes, you're right, you still have these rights to do this.
The purpose of putting the process through the vested rights is if staff
were to say, no, you don't have the right to do this, that gives the
person now the ability to have some sort of administrative process to
go through.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. All right. So you --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Go ahead.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And it's a --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Do you know where I'm going
with this?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Well, I mean -- yeah. I mean, it's --
I understand what we're wanting to do, and I'm not necessarily
against it, but there's something that's -- for example, if an owner
today, right, an owner today has the rights that they have and we
want to confirm that and it's not the intent to change the rights, but
then they sell it to a new owner who sells it to a new -- I mean, how
far down ownership is this vested rights determination going to go?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Doesn't it run with the property?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Well, that's -- the effect of it is is
that it runs with the property --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: -- so there's never going to be really
an obligation for anybody to look at it.
MR. KLATZKOW: Well, you'd look at it when you make your
application, for example, for a rezone under what you thought were
your rights.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right.
MR. KLATZKOW: And staff would then look at the new
Immokalee Area Master Plan and say, wait a second. We've changed
it. You really don't have that. What do you mean? I had that
originally. And the staff's said, well, you're right. That was an
inadvertent change.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right. And I'm not saying that we
shouldn't do this. I'm just worried about unintended consequences
when we're doing this, because most of the time there is a time frame
for making these kinds of determinations. So I'm just -- yeah.
There's something about it that I'm not sure about.
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MR. KLATZKOW: Yeah. The intent was not to grandfather.
The intent was that -- you know, not to have a clause saying you've
got five years or eight years, then we go on to the new one. The
intent was, well, since we are not intending to diminish any body's
rights by this, if we inadvertently did it, whenever you discover it --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Whenever anybody ever discovers
it.
MR. KLATZKOW: Whenever anybody ever discovers it, you
know, that's fine. We'll go by the old rules.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So like --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: -- for this conversation, 20 years
from now...
MR. KLATZKOW: Yes. The whole point of this is to increase
people's developability, not to decrease anybody's developability.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'm comfortable with that, for
sure.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: We may have already
covered this completely, but if you have a vested right, it doesn't
matter how many times a piece of property changes hands. The
vested right stays with the property. And you can't put a time limit
on when you can raise the issue that you have a vested right, I don't
think. A vested right, by definition, it's vested --
MR. KLATZKOW: Under Bert Harris you can't. Under our
LDC you can, which is why I phrased it this way. Rather than
redoing our whole vested right determination process, I just -- for this
one we just continue it.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Certain situations, okay.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: All right. Very good.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you, David.
With that, it's been moved and seconded that we adopt the
Immokalee Area Master Plan. And thank you. I want to say --
before we vote, I want to say thank you to the community. It was --
and staff. It was -- it was a monumentous task and an enormous
amount of public hearings that were held and engaged our
community, and the community coalesced around this. And it also
jives with our Airport Master Plan for Immokalee as well for the first
time, by the way, in Collier County's history. So it's a very, very
happy time. It's a very, very happy time.
With that, all in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(NO RESPONSE.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved. Thank you. If we had
more people here from Immokalee, we'd all clap right now.
Item #9C
ORDINANCE 2019-48: AMENDING CHAPTER 74 OF THE
COLLIER COUNTY CODE OF LAWS AND ORDINANCES,
WHICH IS THE COLLIER COUNTY CONSOLIDATED IMPACT
FEE ORDINANCE, PROVIDING FOR THE INCORPORATION
BY REFERENCE OF TWO IMPACT FEE STUDIES; AMENDING
THE ROAD IMPACT FEE RATE SCHEDULE AND THE WATER
AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE RATE SCHEDULE;
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PROVIDING FOR A RETROACTIVE EFFECTIVE DATE OF
NOVEMBER 13, 2019 FOR ALL RATE CATEGORIES THAT
ARE DECREASING AND A DELAYED EFFECTIVE DATE OF
MARCH 30, 2020 FOR ALL RATE CATEGORIES THAT ARE
INCREASING AND NEW/REPLACEMENT LAND USE
CATEGORIES BEING ADDED TO THE FEE SCHEDULES, IN
ACCORDANCE WITH THE 90-DAY NOTICE REQUIREMENTS
SET FORTH IN SECTION 163.31801(3)(D), FLORIDA
STATUTES; AND PROVIDING FOR REVISED DEFINITIONS
AND UPDATE OF THE REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO THE
PAYMENT OF ROAD IMPACT FEES TO OBTAIN A
CERTIFICATE OF ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES (COA) TO
COMPLY WITH THE NEW PROVISIONS OF THE FLORIDA
STATUTES – MOTION TO ACCEPT IMPACT FEE STUDIES –
APPROVED; MOTION TO APPROVE WATER-SEWER
IMPACT FEES AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF – APPROVED;
MOTION TO PHASE IN ROAD IMPACT FEES OVER 3-YEARS
AND STAFF DEFINE CLASSIFICATION AND ADDRESS
AFFORDABILITY AND FUNDING OF THE DEFERRAL
IMPACT FEE PROGRAM – APPROVED;
ORDINANCE 2019-48 – ADOPTED W/STIPULATIONS
MR. OCHS: Item 9C was continued from your November 12th,
2019, BCC meeting. This is a recommendation to approve an
ordinance amending the Collier County Consolidated Impact Fee
incorporating two impact fee studies for road impact fee rates and
water and sewer impact fee rates.
Ms. Amy Patterson will make the presentation this morning.
MS. PATTERSON: Good morning, Commissioners. Amy
Patterson, for the record. I'm the Director of Capital Project
Planning, Impact Fees and Program Management. We have various
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representatives here as well to answer questions at your pleasure from
Housing, from our Public Utilities, and our Transportation sections.
Just a quick overview of why we're here and what we're doing. We
have a requirement to update our impact fees at least every three
years. It means that, by ordinance, we're required at that time frame,
but nothing precludes you from coming back sooner under
circumstances where there's a belief that the impact fees need to be
adjusted sooner. Sometimes that's because costs are going down, and
sometimes because costs are going up. And there a re times in the
past when we've made more frequent adjustments.
These fees, by statute, must utilize the most recently and
localized data available. And Collier, since 2002, has also required
indexing between full studies. Again, that looks at the costs using
some localized -- a localizing factor national indices, and there's --
obviously, the board has direction when we bring these forward to
not adopt the increases, but every year we do, on a schedule, provide
for those impact fee indexing analysis.
In our current fee environment, we have a high volume of
land-use petitions and permit activity. We have affordable housing
back on the radar and the question about the affordability of housing;
however, we do have a pressing need for infrastructure
improvements. Our costs -- we're starting to see that cost escalations
are outpacing our ability to funds the projects, and that is driving
some of the calculated increases to our impact fee rates. These are
the first two of several more impact fees updates that are in work, and
you'll be seeing them as we move into the new year.
We also have our constituency that we're finding a balance of
the demand to maintain levels of service, because level of service is
seen as equal to our quality of place and life.
Collier County does have multiple benefit programs for people
that qualify. We have a countywide impact deferral program, a
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multifamily impact fee deferral program utilized by apartment
complexes, a charitable organization impact fee deferral program, the
impact fee program for existing commercial redevelopment. One of
our most popular programs, otherwise known as the change-of-use
program which allows businesses that are going to occupy existing
buildings and are changing the use to not have to pay additional
impact fees. Immokalee impact fee installment pilot program, and
we have multiple economic development programs tied to targeted
industry and jobs that also can help with the payment of impact fees.
Each of these programs does have capacity for new applications.
So what are our options when we're faced with these impact fee
studies? For the time that I've been in the impact fee program, we've
had a "growth pays for growth to the greatest extent possible" policy,
and that would mean implementing the fees in full to the maximum
legal limit. That does include implementation of any decreases in
fees as well.
We have in the past a couple of times phased in impact fee
increases over a specified period of time. There are several points in
time when we phased in, for example, government buildings, and
most recently the school impact fee was phased in.
There's the option to implement partial fee increases, meaning
that if there's a calculated increase, the Board may only feel
comfortable going to a certain level: 50 percent, 75 percent. That's
pretty popular amongst other jurisdictions.
And there's the option to adopt the study and implement only
decreases. That's not something that staff has advocated for or been
in support of, but it is an option by policy that the Board has.
And fifth and new since the last time I was here is an option to
evaluate additional impact fee rate categories to address concerns
related to housing affordability. We think that this is a great option to
put on the table. We did, in the past, have a couple of rates on the
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road impact fee schedule specific to certain income levels of
affordable housing. And when the deferral program was re -
implemented, those were removed from the fee schedule at the
direction of the Board at the time.
We think this would be the appropriate time to look at bringing
something like that back, doing further analysis on where those
breakpoints should be, and expanding this to address the other impact
fees, not just transportation. The only exclusions would be those
demand-driven -- the demand-driven fees, which would be fire
impact fees and water and sewer, because they are tied to either fire
incidence or the consumption of water and sewer.
So we have nine individual residential impact fees that we
would be looking at to do this evaluation and potentially bring those
recommendations back to the Board of County Commissioners. This
would be to augment those programs that I listed on the slides prior,
not to get rid of any of them. We're looking for way s to expand and
address some of the concerns that are being brought to us by the
community and by the building industry.
I have to note that any option other than No. 1, which is staying
with our current policy, and No. 5, because that would be data driven,
will shift a portion of the growth demand to taxpayers or in the --
with respect to water and sewer, other than funding sources like user
fees or would require a reduction in level of service.
So I'm going to walk you through quickly what the numbers are,
and this is a breakdown of the impact of just the changes in question
here for the -- some land-use categories. So we're going to start here
with a single-family home less than 4,000 square feet. The water
impact fee with its 32 percent increase equals an additional $820.
Sewer impact fees, with a 22.7 percent increase, is an additional
$613. So your subtotal there for utilities is another approximately
$1,400.
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The road impact fee for single-family homes is 8.68 percent or
an additional $646, for a total increase of just over $2,000.
Moving on, if you look at a 10,000-square-foot office, again,
your same 32 percent increase in water impact fees a $1,369 increase,
$1,024 increase for the sewer impact fees, but a 16 percent increase --
or decrease in road impact fees actually takes this to a reduction to
those office impact fees of $14,000. So overall a 10,000 -square-foot
office is going to be paying $14,000 less even with those larger
increases in water and sewer.
Same example here for a general industrial building. And the
reason that I picked these out of the commercial uses are these are
some of our most frequently permitted land uses, so we see a lot of
this type of activity.
So same thing here for general industrial, 10,000 square feet,
water increase of $1,369, same thing for sewer, 1,024. You can see
the subtotal there of the increase of just over 2,300 -- or just under
$2,400, but your 20 percent decrease related to road impact fees,
again, takes the total change to 87 -- more than an $8,700 reduction.
And retail, same thing. Water is going up, sewer is going up, and the
increase to roads is minimal. It's $1,000 -- I'm sorry -- a decrease to
roads is a $1,000 decrease and basically takes out half of the increase
for water and sewer, bringing the total increase to over $1,300.
Multifamily -- and this would be a per-unit cost, and this is
multifamily three to 10 stories, which is an area that we do have a lot
of activity. Again, the reason that we chose this category, you can
see the water and sewer, as we've detailed in the prior slides, just over
$1,400 of an increase with the road impact of a 7 percent decrease,
taking your total increase to just over a thousand dollars. And one
more time, my last slide, just to give you a full perspective on this,
this is one of your larger increases, multifamily one to two stories,
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water and sewer going up $1,400, transportation impact fees going up
$1,400, for a total increase of $2,800.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Could I ask a quick question?
MS. PATTERSON: That brings us to our recommendations.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Hang on.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Could I just ask a quick question,
because I think it might be helpful for -- this is a really complicated
calculation.
Is there any way you could just summarize, I mean, why there's
differences in the impact fees, say, between different kinds of
commercial or even residential? I mean, it's just so that people have
an understanding of --
MS. PATTERSON: Sure.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: -- residential is residential. Why is
one going up -- you know, why is it different?
MS. PATTERSON: Absolutely. For water and sewer, it's easy,
because they're broken down into simply you have residential rates,
and you have commercial rates by meter size. So it's pretty clean cut,
and it's all pretty similar. But when you get into some of the other
impact fees -- and in question today is transportation -- there are over
60 land uses on our impact fee schedule each with individual travel
and demand characteristics attributable to that development.
So the way even that the traffic patterns associated to a
single-family home is not exactly the same as multifamily. And so
that -- those -- that data is collected for every single one of these land
uses and then is put through the calculation, including, as we talked a
lot about at the past meeting, the calculation of credits, the sales-tax
credit, to come up with that final fee.
The other thing that's affecting the fees, particularly this time, is
where some of that data comes from also has to be regularly updated.
So it's the Institute of Transportation Engineers manual which
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provides us travel characteristics again, and some of the demand
components, trip generation, things like that, is updated every few
years.
And this year, or a couple of years ago, which is the driver on
this update, there were some really significant changes in some of
these land uses. Things have been combined on the multifamily side,
so you're seeing the results of that change here; that there's not a
difference between condominiums and multifamily simply because of
the ownership of the land; that they have the same travel
characteristics, same demand characteristics. And so they've all been
blended into these multifamily rates.
But on the other side, on the commercial side, there's a lot of
land uses that have now been studied that the demand has gone way
down. And so that's why it's very important when we're calculating
these impact fees, despite the outcomes, that these are purely
data-driven exercises to be ultimately fair.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: This is not picking a number out of
thin air?
MS. PATTERSON: Correct.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: It's all data driven.
MS. PATTERSON: Correct. We might like to have more of
something, but we can't just say, well, we're going to adjust the
impact fees because we'd like to have more restaurants or we'd like to
have more retail. This is all data. And doing something like that
would cause an invalidation of the fees because, again, this is a fee
which requires there to be fairness, and there has to be a benefit to the
fee payer for the demand that they're paying for.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Thank you. That was very well
done. Thank you.
MS. PATTERSON: You're welcome.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Do you have another question or a
comment, Commissioner Taylor?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No, I just have a comment. I
kind of smiled, because when I first was elected, the County Manager
attempted to put me in a room to explain impact fees. And he saw
me -- you know, my eyes glaze over, and I stayed this, you know, this
stunned look. And I'm like -- and I remember you saying, oh, well,
get -- we'll explain this later. I mean, it's so complicated.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yeah, that was -- and, I think,
kudos to Amy, because that was very well -- very well explained.
Thank you. Yeah, it's really complicated. It's not a random process.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Even when they explain it to you
it's complicated. Yeah, it's not random. It's not arbitrary.
MS. PATTERSON: Just to conclude, we have thre e
recommendations. They're up on the screen. We're asking to accept
the proposed water and wastewater impact fee rate study and the road
impact fee update study, which are considered to be reasonable and
meet the criteria established by the Florida Impact Fee Act and
applicable case law; we're asking to adopt advertised impact fee
ordinance amendment and associated impact fee rates with the
recommended implementation date. I'll just remind you that, by
statute, any increases require at least a 90-day notice. So we've
already factored that into the ordinance and the associated fee
schedules.
And, lastly, this is -- I touched on a little bit, is to direct the
County Manager to work with the county's impact fee consultant to
develop options for new impact fee rates for affordable housing land
uses for each of the residential impact fee categories, as I've listed
out. That would be transportation, school, parks, jail, EMS,
government buildings, law enforcement, and library impact fees, for
consideration by the Board at a future meeting.
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We do -- when we talk about the rates -- if I could go to your
questions. We can talk about that, and if you have any questions
about a potential phase-in, I know there's some concerns about the
magnitude of some of the transportation impact fees. If that's
something the Board would like to talk about or understand a little bit
better, we can also go there.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Saunders, did you
have a question or a comment?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: A comment. And I want to
listen to the speakers, and -- but I'd like to ask the Commission, when
we get to voting on these, that we do the water and sewer impact fee
with one motion and the road impact fee with a subsequent motion,
because there may some changes that we might want to make to an
individual impact fee. That way we can keep those separate for a
separate vote, if that would be acceptable to the Board.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I'd be okay with that.
Commissioner Solis.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'd like to just reserve my time until
we hear from the speakers.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. And I'll leave you at the top.
How about you?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well, my comment is simple.
After I voted the last time -- and I voted against the impact fees, and I
heard from some constituents. I never hear from constituents saying I
don't agree with your vote. I shouldn't say "I never." I don't hear
from anybody wanting to go raise some fees and saying I don't agree
with you when I say no.
They said, I think you really do need to do this because, really, it
saves all of us people who live here year -round money because we're
not having to pay the impact. And although I realize that, when this
person -- actually, there were a couple letters that I got, and a phone
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call, and I thought, you know, I was thinking, enough is enough. But
after I got the calls I thought, well, you know what, I am going to
change my vote. So I'm just letting you know up front.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, there you are.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: It means a lot when you hear from
people.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, sure; absolutely.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: It does.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I'm going to reserve my comments
until the end as well. So let's go to our public speakers.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chairman, I have only one registered
speaker. Lauren Melo.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: There you are. And I bet you
there's a couple of minutes ceded.
MR. MILLER: No.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No. Just three minutes, okay. And,
by the way, the newly anointed president of the Naples Area Board of
Realtors. I had the honor of installing her this past Saturday night.
So congratulations again, formally.
MS. MELO: Thank you. Good morning, Commissioners. And
as -- for the record, I am Lauren Melo, President of the Naples Area
Board of Realtors.
I'm here today to reassert our board's opposition to the proposed
increase on residential impact fees and, more specifically, the
proposed increase on residential impact fees.
In carefully considering our position, our board reflected on the
county's recent budget and earmarked line items as well as the
sales-tax increase. We discussed the current lack of affordable
inventory for essential service personnel and how an increase in
impact fees would result in an increased cost of existing properties
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and, therefore, lead to a greater shortage of homes available for
purchase.
In addition, Collier County already has the highest impact fees
in the state. Individuals who work in our community but are unable
to live in our community, commute to Collier County daily, utilizing
our amenities, roads, and infrastructure. This is a detriment to our
county because we are unable to benefit from the ad valorem tax that
would be collected if these individuals were to live here. Thus, when
projects or maintenance or amenities are needed, current citizens foot
the bill.
For our board, it is illogical for the county to insist on finding
housing solutions for essential personnel while, at the same time,
increasing impact fees that will directly reduce housing opportunities.
To simplify, if we want to provide housing for service personnel,
why would we increase the cost of housing in Collier County?
We reject the idea that the only way to pay for capital projects is
the consistent increase of taxes, whether those taxes are called a sales
tax or impact fee. We ask that the county practice fiscal
responsibility for capital projects through appropriate budgeting. We
ask that the county keep the long-view vision of growth in our
community in mind when considering each expenditure and project.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you. Any others? Just the
one? Okay.
Commissioner Solis, you're first.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Last time we visited this, I was
concerned and -- with Ms. Melo -- that on the one hand we spent a lot
of time talking about affordable housing, housing affordability, and
then we turn around and we make it more expensive. And so there is
some tension between those two that I think somewhere and some
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point in time we need to address, but it does make housing more
expensive.
But -- and I agree with Commissioner Saunders' suggestion that
we look at the two kinds of impact fees that we're talking about, the
water/sewer and the roads differently, because they are completely
different. And the way we pay for growth on the utilities side is
different.
And having discussed with staff at length how that works, the
utilities portion of it, there would be some serious, I think,
repercussions if we somehow changed midstream what we're doing
and how we're funding the additional capital projects that we need on
the utilities side.
So having said that, I'd like to have us consider a number of
things. One would be, we have increased -- we have a sales tax now.
Everybody -- you know, the voters approved it; very narrowly, but
they approved it. So there's already a tax increase. It does capture
some of the users of our infrastructure that don't necessarily live here,
and that's a good thing.
So what I'd like to do is figure out a way to lessen th e impact of
the impact fee -- that's funny. Lesson the impact. And so what I'm
going to suggest is -- it's kind of a four-fold approach, and that would
be, number one, phasing in the road impact over three years, I think
that's a fair thing to do. I think it will help us in terms of the
affordability as long as we combine that with what -- the new option,
which was -- I was glad to see that -- was redefining or refining how
impact fees apply to different kinds of residential properties, because
some might -- instead of having basically just two classifications,
there's a lot of different variance in between those two that might
make a difference in terms of affordability. That's number 2.
Number 3, the question I asked was, okay, we have a -- a
deferral program that's intended to help generate housing that's
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affordable. It has a 3 percent cap on it, right? But we never get
there.
MS. PATTERSON: Correct.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: It's a very underutilized project. I
think the most we get to is about 50 percent of that 3 percent.
So that tells me that there's -- you know, I was expecting that we
had a waiting list, and we should have a waiting list or something.
We should be exceeding that. If we're really trying to foster housing
that's affordable, we should have a program that is very attractive and
that landowners and builders want to do because it makes it make
sense. So I think we need to revisit that. And I would like to have
some direction to staff to relook at that.
We had a lot of different programs, but are they really doing
what we want them to do, and that's my concern, and I think we can
look at that.
The other item that I think we had in past years was that there
was an impact fee deferral fund that could be used to cover impact
fees for certain kinds of housing that we would want to generate.
So as I understand it, the fund is still there. We haven't funded it
since the recession or maybe prior to that.
MS. PATTERSON: It was a couple years prior to recession.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right. So while I'm hesitant to vote
in favor of raising impact fees, I understand that we are kind of
addicted to impact fees for paying for growth. I would suggest that
we phase those in, redefine the classifications to see what kind of
difference that makes, and hopefully it will foster more affordable
housing; that we restart the deferral fund and tie that to, you know,
the programs that we have to address affordability. And I would
make that in terms of a motion.
MR. OCHS: Water/sewer.
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Water/sewer, no. I think -- having
talked to Mr. Isackson --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Let's do as Commissioner Saunders
suggested. We trifurcate, bifurcate.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yeah, I'm referring -- right. I'm
referring specifically to the transportation side, transportation impact
fees.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: When we get into that, we'll adopt
the study, because we can adopt the study in and of itself, and then
we can vote on the impact fees accordingly that are designated. Are
you okay with that?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yeah. I mean, that's fine, if we
need to do that --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: There's going to be a couple more
comments here. Commissioner Saunders, and then I have something
to say as well, so...
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Well, I have a long history of
supporting maximizing our impact fees going back to when I served
on the County Commission a long, long, long time and during my
tenure on this commission.
And so I'm a little bit twisted here in terms of the -- some of
these increases. I'd like to suggest -- I'd like to make a motion to
approve the water and sewer impact fees to get that off the table,
because I think there's general consensus to do that.
And in terms of the road impact fees, I had met with some folks
yesterday and said that I may be inclined not to approve any increase
in the impact fees, but I also reserved the right to change my mind
during that meeting.
So I like the thoughts concerning phasing in and the other
aspects of what Commissioner Solis has indicated. So I would make
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the motion on the water and sewer impact fees just to get that off the
table because I think --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Let's do the study first. I think --
and don't we need to -- don't we need -- I believe we need to adopt
the study or approve the study.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Accept.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Accept the study. Not approve.
Accept.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'll make a motion that we just
accept the study.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll second that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded that
we accept the study. All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
I have a couple of comments, and it is -- I'm not in support of
increasing taxes. We haven't had -- very little discussion with regard
to controlling of expenses.
These impact fees have been baked into our system since time
immemorial. They go do a study. It says it's warranted. Boom, we
put them in. And then we turn around and have continuous
discussion about the lack thereof of housing affordability, how we
can't have essential services folks living within our community, so on
and so forth.
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And without a viable discussion about expense controlling --
and it's not -- I'm not throwing rocks at staff. I'm not making any
representations with regard to inappropriate activities by any stretch,
but if we don't have some kind of constraint, the addiction that you
mentioned isn't ever going to go away. If you don't -- if you don't
wean off of how you've conducted business since time immemorial,
then you're just going to continue to support that addiction.
And so I -- just so you know, I'll vote for the reduction in the
impact fees. I'm not in favor of phasing them in. I am in favor of the
staff initiative to look into viable programs that are going to assist our
residents in housing affordability. But just because a study says we
can't, I'm not going to. I'm not going to. So that's my two cents.
Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yesterday we were at an
M-CORES meeting, and they talked about a road that they were
constructing that is under construction that is supposed to be -- and I
can't remember the name. It's an odd name.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Myakka River.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Something like that.
(Simultaneous crosstalk.)
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: You know, a bypass for I-4.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: We're going to validate at our
next meeting, but the price came in at $64 million a mile.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That's the DOT.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Collier County today is
6 million a mile. Now, unless we change the income tax status of the
State of Florida, folks are going to continue to come here, and when
they come here, they want to live in this beautiful county with its
services, with its beautiful roads, with its medians, with all the
amenities that we enjoy.
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And there's a lot of land out there that has yet to be developed
and a lot of roads that have to be laid and a lot of that have to be
maintained. We are the largest county east of the Mississippi, right?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Well, Polk County --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Oh, Polk County. Oh, it rivals?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I think they're wrong.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I actually represent the largest land
mass east of the Mississippi by one person.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Right, which is agricultural land.
(Simultaneous crosstalk.)
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So we've got to build these roads
for the people, and we have to do it.
So the question we have as a commission is, who's going to do
it? Are the people that are already here that are already paying taxes
that have already paid impact fees, are they going to be assessed with
that? Are we going to start cutting our impact fees to our school? If
you want to know what's happening just pay attention to Lee County.
Or are we going to say that growth pays for growth. And if you want
to live in Collier County, it's going to cost you money, and to develop
programs by which we make affordable housing available through
impact fee deferrals.
I vote for the last. I think that it's very important that growth
pays for growth. I think it's very important that we maintain the
quality of life here. And we have a standard that's the envy of so
many counties in Florida.
So I would support accepting the program, which, of course,
we've already done. And are we going to vote on the specific -- and I
certainly support -- and just as an aside, this comes from an elected
official who will remain nameless. I was so shocked. I was told by
this elected official, do you know the kind of water we're drinking in
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Collier County? In the state of Florida? It has Ibuprofen in it. We're
drinking someone's sweet tea? And I immediately called Dr. George
and said, what's going on?
And he said, ma'am, in Collier County the water that you get is
membrane. It means it's pure. You can't get any -- it takes
everything out. It's reverse osmosis. That's the standard of our
county, and that's why these impact fees -- yes, it gets expensive, but
then we reduce them. But it's extremely important. And I think
when we hear from the sports park, we're going to find out how much
prices have been escalated in the last year.
So on that -- do we have a motion to --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: There's others lighting up. I'll get
to you in a second.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. Okay.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Solis.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yeah. And I think one of the things
that -- in relation to what the Chairman had raised about looking at
expenditures, really what we're looking at -- what we're talking about
is the level of service that we assign to everything through the AUIR
process.
And I'm looking at staff. I mean, this is what we're talking
about, because that's a -- we set a level of service based upon a cost,
and that -- we come under which with the AUIR, and then it factors
into what we're budgeting to build in the future.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Is that relatively a layman's way of
looking at it?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: So if we're going to do that, that's
where we need to start. I'm suggesting that if we're going to start
looking at where we're spending our money in relation to everything
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else -- because I've said this before. Everything comes to us kind of
in a vacuum, right? It comes to us. This is a great idea. Oh, we
should be for that. Another one. Nothing ever rarely comes to us in
relation to anything else. How important is this in relation to
everything else? And, you know, I think unless we start looking at
maybe that, the level of service and how we set that for every thing,
library, everything -- I don't know where we would start.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Don't go near my libraries.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Well, I'm just -- I'm saying --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'm teasing.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'm just throwing that out there as
an example. Not that that's the one. But I think we have to come up
with a way of looking at it overall in some context other than the
budget, because the budget's this big and, frankly, overwhelming a lot
of times.
So I just want to throw that out there that maybe next time when
the AUIR comes forward, that we actually look at the level of service
for each thing and --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I would contend -- and it's just for
discussion purposes. I would contend that it's even further than the
AUIR process. I mean, this has to do with the prioritization of the
expenditure of our taxpayers' money, period, the end. And this
board, this community, has gotten caught, historical -- when you
came into office, there was plus-or-minus a billion dollars worth of
deficit and infrastructure because the prior board spent the available
tax money on the things that they thought were important, and then
we come into office, and we learn about another billion dollars worth
of accumulated deficits. We learned about 490 million in the
sales-tax initiative. Those are all capital expenditures. Two hundred
plus million in the stormwater subsurface utility that they called a fee,
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and there's another 350 million in maintenance out there floating
around we haven't got to talk about yet.
So I would contend, Commissioner Solis, that it's a greater
discussion than the AUIR process. It's an actual mission statement,
vision statement, and the prioritizations of this community and how
we appropriate.
You start talking about level of service, people hit the panic
button because they believe that we're not going to have as many
places for people to go and beautiful medians and so ons and so forth.
And I don't think -- I think a balance can be reached with that level of
service and the priorities of our community with the expenditure of
these funds, and infrastructure is a necessary item to support both the
residents that are here and those that are coming.
And if we manage that from a -- all the way starting with the
mission statement, vision statement, and then into these other
systems, fine. But currently, it's baked in. This is what we've always
done. This is the way we're going to do it. And we get a study that
says it's okay, and we go ahead and do it. And that's where I'm not in
support of, so -- and I'm with you.
Commissioner Taylor lit up. Do you want to --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I just wanted to finish.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No. I just -- I liked your idea
about looking at the AUIR in a different way. And maybe that could
be a workshop, maybe -- because I think it is a workshop before it's
actually presented before us -- you know, to let you quantify and
qualify it so that we can start looking at -- instead of it siloed here, we
just look at the whole picture. I mean, that's a gargantuan task, but I
like this idea.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: It is -- I actually suggested one day
that we just start with one giant whiteboard and put No. 1.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah.
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: But anyway, I'm digressing.
So I'd like to go back, because I had tried to make a motion to
dismiss. I thought I had made a motion.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You did make a motion. We
approved the study.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: We approved the study.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And there's two impact fees that we
need to approve or disprove, as the case may be.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right. And we already approved
the utility.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: We have not voted on --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Oh, we voted on the study.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All we've done is voted on the
study.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll renew the motion to
approve the water and sewer impact fees as presented by staff.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Second.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded to
approve the water and sewer impact fees as presented by staff. Any
discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed?
Aye. 4-1.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And then my motion, just to restate
my other motion, was to take the option of phasing in over three
years the increase to the road impact fee and directing staff to
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redefine or refine -- not redefine, but refine the residential
classifications and to also look at -- we need to look at changes that
we can make to these deferral programs to make them more attractive
so that more landowners and developers are willing or want -- not
willing, but want to take advantage of them if we really want to do
something about affordability. And I think that encompasses that
option that you added today, too.
MS. PATTERSON: Did you also want us to look at options for
the old trust funds?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yes. I'm sorry. And funding the
deferral fund.
MS. PATTERSON: Yep.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yes. That would be my motion.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'll second it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded.
Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yes. I'm going to support the
motion even though yesterday, as I said, I did tell some folks that I
was inclined not to vote to increase the road impact fees, but I think
it's a rational middle ground. So I'll support the motion.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And I'm -- as a point of contention,
I just -- I would -- I'm going to vote against the motion, and not in
pretense, because three-fourths of what you said I liked. The deferral
programs, enhancement of the initiative to get the word out, if you
will, the funding up the trust fund, I like those, but I can't support an
increase in impact fees until we've addressed our addiction issues.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I agree. And not to belabor the
point, but I think we need to take a little step, you know, and I hope
that is --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We have --
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: -- seen as a step towards working
on this addiction to a revenue stream that our expert, Mr. Isackson, is
not -- is not -- I think -- can I put words in your mouth?
MR. ISACKSON: Sure.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Is not a very good one b ecause of
the way it fluctuates and depending on the economy and whatnot.
So --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And I'm with you. I just wanted
you to know why I'm not supporting your motion. As I said,
three-fourths of it I'm good with, but I can't support the increase.
Won't.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And do you think just --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Saunders is lit up
ahead of you.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'm quicker on the button
today.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And I didn't even press my
button.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You don't hit the button regularly.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I just want to kind of take a
little bit exception to describing our use of impact fees over the years
as an addiction.
This board made a policy going back probably 25 years ago that
growth would pay for growth and that we would maximum our
impact fees. That's been the policy of the Board for, like I said, 25 --
maybe even longer than that; 25 years or more.
So I wouldn't describe it as an addiction. I would describe it as a
rational policy to make sure that newcomers pay their fair share for
the cost of infrastructure so the current residents don't have to pick up
the tab. I think it's a great program. When I was in the Florida
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legislature, there were efforts to curtail impact fees from local
governments. I rejected those, argued against those every time.
So I just don't want it to sound like, well, we've got this
addiction to a revenue source and it's inappropriate in some way,
because it does kind of leave that impression. I don't th ink it is. I
think it's very appropriate. So I just wanted to mention that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I wonder if Mr. Isackson could
come up and just give us his two-minute summary of why impact
fees are important, please, because I think he can.
MR. ISACKSON: Commissioners, Mark Isackson with the
Office of Management and Budget.
Commissioners, impact fees are a very volatile revenue source, first
of all. We go from 105 million down to 20-. I can't use it, really, for
anything other than capital improvements.
So, I mean, we start looking at the flexibility of that revenue
source. And this is what I look at on a corporate level on a daily
basis when we start putting together the budget process.
Now, we hitched our wagon to impact fees, as Commissioner
Saunders says, 25 years ago. Differentiate water and sewer from
general governmental. I've in-fluxed, from the general fund, $102
million since 2005 to help backfill debt service that we issued for
growth-related projects because impact fees aren't sufficient.
So I'm a little jaded when it comes to the fact that impact fees
are the panacea. But it's what we have to deal with, and we deal with
it.
And transitioning out of that, good luck. It's not going to
happen. So you live with what you've got, but it doesn't mean that I
can't, we can't, begin to point out that there are deficiencies connected
with that. Every year the state tries to -- as Commissioner Saunders
says, tries to curtail what we can use to pay with impact fees, whether
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it's debt service or you can't levy as much or whatever the case might
be. We fight that battle every year. So you asked for my comments;
those are it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you, sir.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: How do you really feel? That's --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And, you know, Commissioner
Saunders, you brought it up earlier -- and you were lit up, so forgive
me. I also try to let you go first before I put my two cents in.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: That's always nice.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Do you notice he doesn't press
his button?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Me? I hide my button.
Commissioner Fiala, please.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. I just wanted to say there are
ways around the impact fees, though, for anybody, whether they be
young families or whether they're moving here or whether they're
older people, whatever it is, you don't have to buy a brand-new
house. You can always buy a house that's on the market. And there's
a lot of those as well as people move around and so forth.
And there's no impact fees involved in that. So, you know, it
isn't like everybody has to be suffering with it. There's other ways
around it. I just -- we just had a house that sold in Lakewood for
$127,000.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Wow.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I mean, that's pretty darn good.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: That's great.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And, Commissioner Saunders, I
meant no offense. My analogy with regard to the addiction has to do
with the historical viewpoint on the -- and the limitations put upon us
by statute. You know, I've referred to it since time immemorial of a
statutorily regulated tax and imposition on the first person in. We're
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relegated by statute upon what we can when, where, and how spend
that money.
And then we -- and we have smaller districts. I mean, look at
our fire districts that are coming in with enormous amount of impact
fees, and then they're forced -- and there are time limits, constraints
on the limits for the expenditure of those funds that cause
circumstances to prevail where it ends up being hot money. By
statute, if you don't spend it, you have to give it back, and that
causes -- that causes people to -- you know, I'm not going to go down
a rabbit hole. I mean, we can count noses and be where we're doing.
So it's been moved and seconded per Commissioner Solis, and
seconded by, I believe, Commissioner Saunders -- or Commissioner
Taylor to -- I'm not going to try to repeat all that. There was three of
the four I liked, and the one is a basic three-year phase-in of the road
impact fees, and then everything that he said.
MR. OCHS: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And I'm voting -- okay. All in
favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
Aye. 4-1.
MS. PATTERSON: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Let's go to lunch. We'll be back
at 1 o'clock. How about that?
(A luncheon recess was had from 11:56 a.m. to 1:00 p.m.)
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, you have a live mic.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I do have a live mic.
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Commissioner Fiala says we can stay here and visit forever, so we'll
endeavor.
MR. OCHS: You ready to move on, sir?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I am, sir.
Item #11C
APPROVAL OF THE MENTAL HEALTH AND ADDICTION
SERVICES FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN FROM THE
COLLIER COUNTY MENTAL ILLNESS AND ADDICTION AD
HOC ADVISORY COMMITTEE – MOTION TO APPROVE
STAFF’S RECOMMENDATIONS – APPROVED; MOTION
THAT THE CHAIR SIGN A LETTER REQUESTING
PARTICIPATION FROM THE MUNICIPALITIES AND BOARD
TO NEGOTIATE PARTICIPATION FROM MUNICIPALITIES
FOR PARTICIPATION TO LEVERAGE FUNDING – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: We are at Item 11C on this afternoon's agenda.
This is a recommendation to approve the mental-health and addiction
services five-year strategic plan from the Collier County Mental
Health and Addiction Ad Hoc Advisory Committee.
Mr. Callahan will take you through a few informational slides.
MR. CALLAHAN: Good afternoon, Commissioners. For the
record, Sean Callahan, Executive Director of Corporate Business
Operations.
So just a short refresher, this is the five-year strategic plan that
we considered in a workshop format with the ad hoc committee on
October 29th. The Board directed us to schedule this plan for its
consideration at this meeting and also asked for two additional points
of information that we could bring back. This information was at
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least partially provided to you in a supplemental memo that
accompanied the item today.
On that, the two points of information that you asked for were to
provide data on the costs of construction and operation on other
central receiving facilities throughout the state of Florida, and then to
provide an analysis on the cost savings and avoidance benefits
associated with undertaking the various measures of the plan.
So we've included that. I'll touch briefly on a few points that I
think are important to highlight in that memo. So most importantly
in the committee's research, in 2015 and 2016, we found that the
Department of Children and Families made competitive awards to
different communities that were looking to fund central receiving
facilities.
Most notably, in 2016 funds were for five-year awards, and they
ranged anywhere from 6.2 million to 21.7 million dollars over a
five-year period.
So Volusia County, where Mr. Chet Bell worked in for years,
who you heard from, he was our consultant that was here at the
workshop, they received an $11.8 million award that they used to
fund additional beds and then enact additional operational programs
at SMA healthcare in Volusia County.
So while there were no new awards that have been given out by
DCF since 2016, I will point out that every year in the nonrecurring --
the nonrecurring general revenue requests that are appropriat ed
through the Health and Human Services budget, there were 26
requests in 2019 that all had to do with the central receiving facility,
ranging anywhere from $100,000 up to a couple million, and that's
just on a yearly nonrecurring basis.
So in that, when we're looking for funding sources to fund some
of the operational shortfalls that are in this plan, the committee's
recommending that we pursue not only a revival, possibly, of the
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DCF program, much like a model that we've considered with the state
VA facility where we're paying for the bricks and mortar through
sales tax, and we asked the state agency to help us out with some of
the operational funding but to also be able to pursue some of those
nonrecurring legislative requests on a yearly basis. Obviou sly, the
multiyear award would be a lot better.
We've talked with our legislative staff, John Mullins, a little bit
and some of our lobbying teams. Knowing that this facility's not
going to be constructed for a couple more years, we have a -- we
have a few -- a couple years to put those thoughts together and
possibly pursue those fundings.
I'll take you back to the recommendation of the committee that
we considered in the workshop where we are recommending that we
consider an all-of-the-above options request where we pursue federal,
state, local funding, and I'd be remiss not to point out that local
funding doesn't include just county funding. It could include
philanthropic dollars and various sources of funding from elsewhere.
Then just generally with these types of facilities, to talk about it,
the David Lawrence Center is actually a good model to look at right
now about how they're funded. It's a mixture of a state contract that's
appropriated each year from the state, a local match that comes from
the county in several other sources. They're funded through a few
million dollars of donations and federal grants, and then they're also
funded by private remittances which may be insurance, Medicaid,
some of those other sources.
So that's on the information about how these different facilities
are funded and how they've been constructed. Most notably, that
state funding could have been used for capital construction costs or
operations. Since we've satisfied largely the capital construction
costs so far through the sales tax, we'd be looking to pursue that for
operational funding.
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So on cost avoidance, it's a little bit tougher of a nut to crack.
We provided two examples, one in Pinellas County and one in
Miami-Dade County. Pinellas was a little bit smaller where they
found 33 high utilizers and connected them to these wrap -around
services that are talked about in the plan. They spent about $1.3
million to implement that plan for those 33 users and found out that it
immediately paid off over two years with about $1.1 million in cost
avoidance and savings.
Miami-Dade had a little bit larger number where they found the
97 highest users of not only their jail system, but their hospital
system, and all of the different services that are provided through out
there for the county and demonstrated $13.7 million in cost
avoidance over the period of that pilot program.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: With a central receiving system?
MR. CALLAHAN: Yes, ma'am, that's correct.
So to extrapolate that into the costs of what we would be able to
do in Collier County, a lot of these other communities haven't been
able to demonstrate that cost savings and avoidance until they've
actually implemented some type of a pilot program. I could tell you
broadly, with speaking with the Sheriff's Office, the cost -- the
average cost of a day in the Collier County Jail is $159. On average,
throughout the year, we think there's about -- the committee pointed
out there's about 100 people in that jail population that might be
eligible for some type of diversion program.
So, conservatively, when you look at all that, just in the jail, I
think we could come up, over the life of this plan, with
one-and-a-half to two million dollars of savings being conservative.
So I'll stop there, and those were the two points of information
that the Board asked for. Today we'll be asking the Board to adopt,
at a high level, the overall strategic plan for a five-year session, and
we will bring back different initiatives that would involve county
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funding or involve some type of policy decision to the Board before
those are pursued or implemented. This will approve the overall
strategic framework of it.
Just to remind you very quickly what those community priorities
are. These were in order of importance to build and operate a central
receiving facility system to serve persons experiencing acute
mental-health or substance-use crisis. The second one was to
increase housing in support of services for persons with serious
mental-illness and/or substance-use issues -- or substance-use
disorders -- excuse me -- to establish data collaborative for
data-sharing collection and outcomes reporting, which will be very
important on us to actually be able to track the benefits and cost
avoidance that's associated with the implementation of some of these
programs.
Fourth, to increase the capacity and effectiveness of the justice
system response for persons experiencing serious mental -illness
and/or substance-use disorders; five, to revise and implement a
nonemergency Baker Act and Marchman Act transportation plans;
and, finally, six, to improve community prevention advocacy and
education related to mental-health and substance-use disorders.
So next steps: As we mentioned in our workshop on the 29th,
the ad hoc committee will sunset on the final disposition of this plan.
And what we've talked about is forming some type of a strategic
delivery plan with community nonprofits and private-sector partners.
So I'll remind you that we had talked about quarterly group meetings ,
existing channels and committees, including the members of this ad
hoc committee. I believe the Community Foundation of Collier
County has volunteered to be the convener of these meetings. Mental
health is one of their strategic priorities that they're pursuing.
Then, as I mentioned before, individual priorities, especially that
involve county funding, will be brought back for approval before
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implementation. The plan also recommends that we do some type of
external evaluation of the plan and the priority implementation. It
was recommended in the fourth quarter of 2021. We can revise that
in some of the speed that this moves along for that data, if it makes
more sense to do it a different time.
And then we've initiated already the county to study locations of
this central receiving facility and system. We have a kickoff meeting
with all of those partners that I just mentioned being scheduled.
We've met internally with staff to initiate that process.
So we'll evaluate all the different programmatic touch points
along with the technical aspects, costs, and feasibility of different
sites that will be evaluated throughout the county, and the delivery
team will obviously be involved in that evaluation.
And then this, along with all the other individual priorities, will
be brought back to the BCC before implementation.
So I'll stop there and ask if you guys have any questions or if
there's any further information that we could provide.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Taylor, you get to
go first.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Frankly, I think we've studied
this, and I think this is -- this is a great -- it's not a sum-up, but it's a
great summary of where we were and what we're doing and giving us
the parameters. And I like what you said about having it as a very
high overview where you're going to bring back individual policies
for approval or disapproval.
So on -- given this delivery and importance of Commissioner
Solis's efforts in this -- and long efforts -- and, again, thank you so
much, sir -- I'd like to make a motion to approve staff's
recommendation on the strategic plan for mental health for Collier
County.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Saunders.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'd like to congratulate
Commissioner Solis for getting this report approved before the end of
this calendar year. That was your goal, and you've been able to do
that. And --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Really, Sean and the committee,
amazing work.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Well, everyone did a great
job. And without your leadership, Andy, this would never have been
brought here.
I would suggest -- I would request that Commissioner Taylor
withdraw her motion and have you make the motion to approve it.
It's your -- it's your program.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'll second it.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I appreciate that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's apropos.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Thank you. I would make the
motion that it be accepted and approved. Thank you.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Seconded.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's seconded already. Do you have
anything else, Commissioner Saunders?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: No, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Commissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes, we were discussing at some
point just recently, I don't remember which meeting it was but,
anyway, they were talking about these same points. And somebody
in the audience asked, with the seriously affected mental -health
candidates, but giving them separate housing, right, and where do
you put them? Are you going to be putting them within
neighborhoods? Will there be somebody overseeing their care and
their -- and their safety and other safeties? Or how is that going to
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be? At the time we got kind of a nebulous answer, and I would have
liked to see a little bit more.
MR. CALLAHAN: Commissioners, just to address that
question specifically, we've kind of ranked these priorities in an order
of operations fashion where, you know, the first thing is creating
some type of a diversion facility, which is that central receiving
facility, and then the next few of the priorities that we describe are
really the wraparound services that are there to provide that support
for folks that are getting that diversion and treatment.
So in evaluating where -- the location of the central receiving
facility, I think that's going to inform us to a lot of how the other -- or
how the other priorities within the plan will be implemented. That's
why it's important -- I said it a few times -- that, you know, before we
make a decision on where these different locations will go, we will
come back to the Board and seek your guidance and approval before
we do that, and at that time we'll be able to better define not only the
locations but the different fiscal impacts that are associated as well as
the different benefits that would be associated with their
implementation.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. And you were talking about
a facility rather than scattered, right? And the reason I'm asking that
is that, you know, we used to have these things right here in the state
of Florida until our legislators decided to save money and eliminate
all of them, and now these people have no place to go and no people
to reach out to and for a support system. And many of them know
they need some help, but they don't have a way to get it.
And so I'm wondering how much support you will have right at
their -- at their fingertips, or will they now be just as the state, you
know, just let them go and find your own type of a thing?
MR. CALLAHAN: Commissioners, I would just address, that's
the reason that this whole plan comes as a package, not individual
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elements, is to make sure that there are those supportive services. I'd
point out the last one is increasing community advocacy, prevention,
and education, which would educate folks about where they might be
able to be connected with these services.
The idea of a central receiving facility is it's an entry point so
that they can be connected to different needs. When you look at the
examples for Pinellas County and Miami-Dade, it wasn't just
diverting people from the jail. It was making sure that they got
connected to the services that they need to prevent exactly what
you're talking about from happening. So that's why it's so important
to consider this as an overall strategic plan rather than just one
individual priority on its own.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: The reason I asked is you see so
many that are homeless wandering the streets or sitting on -- you
know, behind buildings, and the Sheriff's Office goes to pick them up
and so forth, and so they don't really have a place. Well, you would
know, too, because you're involved with that. They don't have a
place to go for safety and for -- you know, when they need help the
most. And I'm just wondering, is that -- will that be a plan before we
ever -- to just vote on it and not know if that's going to be in the plan
makes me a little nervous.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Can I just -- maybe I can help?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Sure.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Because, I mean, that is No. 2, you
know, is if we have a central receiving facility, we get folks out of the
jail. To just turn them loose, that's kind of what we've been doing.
So part of the plan is to develop and to increase housing and
supportive services so that we don't have this endless cycle of in and
out of the jail, in and out of the jail.
The details of that and how that's going to work will be coming
back to us, you know, from staff for specific, you know, either -- or
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methods or whatever. I mean, whatever the implementation of this
plan is in the future, those items will be coming to us. So we'll hear
the whole thing and be able to consider whether we like that idea or
don't like that idea on how to implement the policy increasing
housing and supportive services. So we'll be revisiting -- before
anything happens, we'll be revisiting this in detail.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Every component.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Every single part that implements
this, we will be looking at it.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Good.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: So we will get a chance to --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Because we see too much of it
now. And so maybe it will help those people if they have something
to lean on and give them direction and so forth.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I can't remember who it was -- I
don't know if it was Commissioner Solis or -- one of the
commissioners was with me in DC, and we went and met with HHS
and -- because when we were talking about these enhancements and
services and so on and so forth for those suffering from mental illness
and substance abuse, when I was meeting with those folks, I
remember -- well, what does your mental-health plan for Collier
County say about this? And we didn't have one.
Have a plan. Now we can go have a discussion with the
agencies and the funding mechanisms that are out there to support
these individual components as we go through the process.
And Commissioner Solis saw that deficit, orchestrated the
community effort, brought together this. It's a global plan. And as he
said, individually, these things are all going to be vetted and
discussed, specifically with No. 2 there on the housing and support
services. What's best -- what's the best aggregation for -- because we
know as a fact folks that suffer from mental illness and substance
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abuse, one of the largest issues for their recidivism, coming back into
our systems, is lack of housing. And so how do we manage that, and
what's best for us to manage our tax dollars as a community to
support those that have that need? So -- and that's right there, No. 2
in our overall plan, overall reaching plan, so...
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Now, when you're talking about the
housing, do you mean individual housing, or do you mean housing in
a facility to help them?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It could be either. It could be both.
But nothing's going to get done without it coming back to this board
and the community to be aware of what in fact's being proposed and
how it's going to be managed. It could be a facility. I mean, you
know, similarly, St. Matt's just north of us here on Airport Road is
building a housing facility there for some of their patients. It could
be a locale facility. It could be either/or.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And I hope, when we are
discussing this as a community, we have key people there like Scott
Burgess and like the Sheriff Hu -- oh, Donna.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Oh, my goodness. You went back
on us, didn't you?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I did. I'm so sorry -- Rambosk and
possibly even a couple people like for instance Van Ellison --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- over there; just so that we get
key people to -- because they're dealing with the problems, and in this
case you can't gloss over them and pretend they're not happening
because this -- we're now going to be setting a precedent. And let's
face it, it's coming right out of this area, so -- and we have to keep
our people safe here.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Absolutely. But the adoption of
this plan actually allows for that entire process to go further and
receive funding at the same time, because without a plan --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well, that's what you're saying.
We're hoping. I'm just trying to make sure that we're going to get all
of this stuff done. Okay?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'll keep pushing.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And one last thing. And I do want
to thank all my colleagues here for all of the support that they've
given me in this whole process in coming up with this plan. I want to
thank Sean and the members of the committee. Like I said last time,
when I said, well, let's get it done by the end of the year, that was,
you know -- I just wanted to put a timeline on it because we'd been
doing it year by year. I never really thought that that would actually
get done because it was such a huge ask of a committee of --
MR. CALLAHAN: Nineteen.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Nineteen people were on this
committee. So it was a monumental task, and they got it done.
The last thing I would ask for is -- and I want to let you know
that I'm pursuing this, and that is, I think one of the things that I
would like to do is to try to the extent that we can to leverage the
$25 million that's in the sales-tax money for the central receiving
facility, and I would like to -- and I've already started doing this, and
I want to let you all know and get your support for this. I would like
to go to our municipalities and suggest to them that this will be their
facility as well and that I think it would be fair that they support it to
the same extent that we are in terms of percentage of the entire tax
revenue that we're going to get. The 25 million of the total amount is
about 6 percent.
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And I would like to go to our municipalities and say, you know,
please -- please join us in this and help us by committing the same
percentage. No more, no less. And I've run that by a few members,
and I've gotten a very positive response. So I'd like to pursue that.
And that would -- I think, ultimately will help us go to the
legislature and say, look, we have a total community buy-in, you
know, from the county to the municipalities to the private sector,
philanthropy. This is a place to invest some money in, because it's
backed by everybody in the community.
So I'd like some -- to let you know that I'm doing that, and I
hope I have your support to pursue that, because I think we can
leverage the 25 to, you know, maybe 30 or 40, and really get to the
number of beds that solves the problem.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Gotcha. I like the idea. And I'll
support you in that effort.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Mr. Chairman, in reference to
that effort, once we take care of this agenda item, I think it would be
appropriate for you to make a motion for us to pursue -- for you to
pursue that as a matter of policy of the Board so they have a
unanimous vote, not just a "it sounds like a great idea; let's go do it."
Literally develop that as a policy.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That's a great idea.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Anything else?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: No, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded that
we approve the plan as presented by our staff in the
recommendations. All in favor?
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
MR. CALLAHAN: Thank you, Commissioners.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: So I would make a motion that the
Board --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: We're authorizing you to --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- negotiate with the
municipalities on their participation in the funding of these programs
however you want to -- I think that's what we're talking about doing.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And I have a thought. How about
just a letter from the Board to the mayor of the two munici -- because
we only have two municipalities.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yeah.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And so to -- well -- and I don't
know -- Marco doesn't have -- well, we have three.
MR. OCHS: Three.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We have three municipalities. So
Marco doesn't have a mayor, but to the leadership of these individual
municipalities that this is something that we would like to see as an
aggregation of the community support from the Board.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: That would be fantastic as well.
And my thought is, is to go to each of the city councils, and hopefully
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with Sean, and we'll present the strategic plan and, you know, ask
them to participate and answer questions as to what it's about.
You know, Michelle McLeod from the City of Naples was on
the committee, so she was very, very involved in the whole thing, but
I'm not sure that there was anybody from Marco. So I just want to
make sure that they understand what we're doing and why it would be
right for everybody to participate in this and how it would increase
our ability to leverage the funds to really get to the point where we're
solving a problem.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I like it.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: So I'll second the motion if I can do
that, unless that's a conflict of interest.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: The motion is amended to do
include the Chairman signing a letter or perhaps even all five of us
signing a letter for you to deliver to the leadership of the City of
Marco Island and the City of Naples that you're authorized to
represent this council, this commission, before those two governing
bodies.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And Everglades City.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Money usually flows the
other way with Everglades City.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You know, there's a proportionate
share of sales-tax money that's going to Everglades City.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Oh, that's true.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And if it's on a 6 percent -- if the
number is a 6 percent and they can afford it, they should participate.
Everybody should participate, so -- and it cannot hurt to ask. As
you're -- and you are correct, usually the money goes the other way.
But there is a -- you know, no one is immune to mental illness and
substance abuse. And as a community we need to coalesce with this,
so...
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All right. It's been moved and seconded --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll amend the motion to
include that, Everglades City.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded to do
all that. You okay with that? I mean --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Sure.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: -- the motion is discussed and is a
matter of record. All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No, no. Thank you.
Thank you.
Item #11D
FOURTH AMENDMENT TO AGREEMENT NO. 17-7198 FOR
CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AT RISK (CMAR)
CONTRACT PHASE 1B - GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE
(GMP) NO. 3 HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL WORK
PACKAGE TO MANHATTAN CONSTRUCTION FOR THE
NEXT PHASE OF THE SPORTS COMPLEX AND EVENTS
CENTER (SCEC) IN THE AMOUNT OF $19,665,469 – MOTION
TO APPROVED STAFF’S RECOMMENDATIONS – APPROVED
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MR. OCHS: Item 11D is a recommendation to approve the
fourth amendment to the construction management-at-risk contract
with Manhattan Construction for the next phase of the sports and
events center in the amount of $19,665,469.
Mr. Casalanguida will make the presentation.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Thank you, Mr. Manager.
First, Board Members, I'd like to thank you as the owner
allowing me to be the owner's rep on this project and the County
Manager, because I whine to him an awful lot about the time spent
nights and weekends.
And I do owe an apology to my partner, Margaret, and Josh, and
even our construction manager, because on this project, I've been a
royal pain in the rear end, if you know what I mean, because I'm a
little bit of a Type A when it comes to these type of projects.
But I want to give you a good update today as to where we are,
highlight some positive notes, and highlight some challenges as we
go forward on this project as well as, too.
So I'll move forward, and you can stop me with questions, or
you can wait till the very end.
So this is the original project layout, just to refresh you where
we started. Very genetic, kind of a fit plan. And then this is the
layout where we currently sit today. And I'll take you through the
phases and some progress photos and let you know what's going on.
So Phase 0 is complete and closed out on time and under budget,
and that was the clearing and grubbing, lake construction, initial
layout of the road and getting the 66 acres that we purchased from the
Rice's City Gate ready for construction. That allowed us to really
proceed quickly with the project, not wait for the permits on 305.
Phase 1A, which is approved, is the bulk of the infrastructure. It
completes the road other than the clearing and grubbing. Takes you
to the south entrance. Builds the maintenance building, builds the
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welcome center, builds the market, builds the ancillary bathrooms,
and lays out all the infrastructure to the four fields for the project to
open up.
And then some of the progress photos, to give you a feel for
where we are. And I think you'll be surprised. When you look at the
project and where we started to where we are today, they've already
laid in both the north and the south parking lots. The building here is
your welcome center, and this is your market, and that's the main
walkway coming between the two.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: What's a market?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Market -- consider almost like a
Wawa or Racetrac. The concept of the sports park is designed on
your diagram below to have a central spine both north and south as
you see right there. So the market is where everything converges. So
when kids come to a complex or families come to a complex, they go
in, they buy food, goods, services, everything they need at a central
market. It's also the central point where their SFI will distribute food
almost similar to what they do at a golf course with golf carts. They
pick up food and go to the different fields and provide food and
beverage.
MR. OCHS: SFI is?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sports Field Incorporated, which is
going to be your contract manager.
This is your welcome center. It's a two-story building. The
elevator shaft is put in. FP&L is coming in pretty soon to put in the
big solar trees and the solar canopies. And over here towards the
front, they're going to put in some solar -- not solar -- electronic
vehicle charging stations as well, too. That it even farther ahead.
Even these progress photos, they've already put in the steel for that
floor and moving on from there.
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The market, as we talked about, also in front of the market is
your gated entry. For some events they'll charge gate to get into the
park, which is a concept around the county that they've used
successfully in terms of when they provide the value -added services
to come in.
So most family people will come in and check in on that side.
Teams will check in on the welcome center. So you've got two
points of entry. And when you look at the site plan at the bottom of
your screen, entrance point, entrance point, entrance point, way in,
spine road, secondary entrance point. So the project is very well
designed for good access.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I think it's called connectivity, is
it not?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Connectivity and mobility, that's
right, ma'am.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It depends on what corridor you're
talking about. Remember that?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: This is looking east from right on the
edge of the lake, and you can see the arrow at the bottom of your
screen. They've already put in the concrete ribbon curb for the fields,
and they've already installed one of the light pole s and putting in the
next one.
So even as you see these pictures, which is only a week old,
they're in the heavy construction delivery phase right now. The fields
are set to come online fairly quickly.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And why is that important?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: We plan to open in -- June 1st,
ma'am, for the bulk of this, which is exciting, because then we'll start
programming as well. There's already some programs developed,
and I'll talk about that a little bit as we go forward.
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This is a picture of looking east from the lake. When I get into
some of the other pictures, you'll know what's coming at the face of
the lake. But it's -- this is a 13-acre lake. There's going to be a path
around the lake and little fitness stations around it that tie back to the
beach that's over there.
So you can see from the progress photos, we are, you know,
ahead of schedule, and we are under budget in terms of the phases
we've released so far.
This is the south entry road. Where City Gate Boulevard South
ends, there'll be a gate here to close the park at nighttime and a
turnaround to come in. And I think the Rices have been talking to
you potentially some big projects that might come next door, which
they're talking to us now how to integrate with the pa rk as well as,
too.
Phase 1B is what's in front of you right now. Phase 1B will
catch up to 1A in the sense of right here in north. The only thing that
will not be open in November -- until November of next year is this
area right here, which is the stadium. But we expect all the green
areas here and here to open up on June 1st. Matter of fact, we want
to do a soft open on June 1st and do a 4th of July event a month later
as a hard open to the public. So we want to get everything opened up
and be able to have five fields, the great lawn, all the buildings will
be operational, and the site ready to go. Five months later we expect
to have FBU the following year in the stadium.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Will they be there in July?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes, they will. And you're getting
ahead of me. But you approved it on this agenda, Top Gun; 1,200
athletes from around the country has moved from South Carolina to
this complex already. Steve Quinn, who was here earlier, purchased
All American Games. Steve Quinn just walked in the door. I didn't
set that up either, Steve.
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So it's exciting because he's partnering with the contract
manager. They want to bring some of these events they've developed
already, and then Steve's goal in purchasing All American Games,
moving it back to Naples where he grew up, is to work with SFI to
parlay a bunch of the tournaments they already have into what they
call organic, home grown. They're not purchasing the events.
They're creating them here in Collier County.
So we're already going to be using the facility the minute we
open it up and have events here.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: All roads lead to Naples, right?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: All roads -- pound Naples, that's
right. We're speaking to the kids, I think -- Steve, correct me if I'm
wrong -- Sunday. That's right. And there's kids coming in, and Chief
Bloom, Lieutenant Hampton, and myself, we're going to talk to the
kids about code of conduct, and then we're actually taking the kids
out here, I believe on the 18th, for kind of a feeling to check out the
park and anticipate where they're going to play next year.
So Steve did a real good job of coordinating with NBC Studios.
We spent a lot of time with NBC in the stadium design, setting the
electronics up as the stadium grows to be able to broadcast out of
there. So NBC Sports, through Steve's contacts, have helped us out
quite a bit.
This is where we get a little bit in the challenges. Phase 3 -- or
this is called Phase 2, but Phase 3 of -- in me sequencing the project,
is the 305 piece. Now, you purchased this for about $5 million to the
tune of about less than 150,000 an acre several -- many years ago. It
was Transportation and Public Utilities purchased that property.
What we're struggling with is the base elevation. If I draw that
line and say, that's the existing ground today as we go into this
project, and when we get our permits, we've got to get to that grade,
and when we clear and grub, we've got to figure out how much of
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that is muck, this distance, multiplied by the square footage of cubic
yards of fill we've got to bring in, in today's prices of excavation of
fill, could range almost up to $8 million in fill material. Now, what
we're looking at is excavating out the Little League area potentially
doing something different. Maybe crunching a couple of the fields a
little bit to try and recapture that. But a lot of the construction costs
in the next phase are not buildings.
What we're going to do to try to recapture some costs when we
get to this phase is we went to really design buildings that are modern
and used to accommodate the bulk was the -- these ancillary
buildings, check-in buildings, we're probably going to look at
prefabricated buildings more to service with those fields, but send
everybody back to the core area for the amenities that are there, and
then look at, you know, do we bid alternate the parking grounds,
campgrounds that's there? Do we shrink two fields? Do we go with
a different turf mix?
But the bulk of this cost increase is construction costs, and I'll
show you why, and this fill material that I still do not know the exact
amount of what that is until we finalize our permits and we clear that
area. So that's one of the challenges that we go forward in the next
phase.
Phase 3, we've applied for an appropriation with the state. This
is the field house. We've set aside and we're holding on to about 7,
$8 million in your sales tax for resiliency.
We've met with the designers, Parker/Mudgett and Populous, as
well as Josh to get to a level that this meets a field house status or
shelter for special needs and elderly.
They talk about safe-room criteria. Safe-room criteria adds
about 10 or $15 million to that site. So we're leaving that for dead
last. It's not in your program budget right now. We're optimistic
we're going to get a grant. When we get to there, we'll either shrink it
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down or, depending on what we get, we'll decide if that's going to
come online. But it was always meant to be last.
From an O&M perspective, running it, it probably is the biggest drain
on revenue in terms of expenses coming into the project.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Before you go.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Can you tell me what a field house
is?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure. A field house, if you can
imagine a very extra-large indoor gymnasium, usually about 70 or
80 feet in height, ceiling height. And so if you can imagine a gym,
like you would see at North Collier Park, multiply it by three times,
and the ceiling height is usually much higher, about 70 feet, 60 feet.
It accommodates basketball, volleyball, cheerleading, indoor sports,
and at the same time, when you use it as a shelter, you can partition
off the rooms. The design includes backup generators, different
phase power, seals (sic), rooms that can accommodate some of the
medical supplies and treatment that's there. It also has a commissary
in there so it can produce food as well, too, for the building.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And where is it on the picture?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: It is right there.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's about 80,000 square feet, if I
recall?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: That's right.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I would have never guessed that.
I'm so glad you explained that.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: I'm glad you asked.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And it duplicates -- it dups as a
hurricane shelter as well.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Cat 5.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: That's a Cat 5, yeah, safe house.
That's one of the strongest criteria they have in the state of Florida
to -- we've reached out to Secretary Moskowitz from FDEM. We
want to do an agreement with him so that we can gain further support
for that project, but that's at the end, and I'll talk a little bit more
about that later.
Okay. In terms of the great lawn, this has morphed quite a bit,
but it goes on to the conversation I think we had with Commissioner
Solis and feedback from the manager of SFI and our team. Your
great lawn is a focal area of this project in the sense of where the
people will spend time in between events. And you can get a feel for
what that looks like. It's got a volleyball pit in that area over there, a
fire pit, several in here; 6,000-square-foot pavilion with food trucks,
room for six, a fitness area, and a large lawn area, similar to that
Baker Park concept but many more amenities. And as I go through
some of the slides, you'll get a feel for what they look like.
So you can see the beach coming up. There's a concrete path
that takes you all the way around. It will connect to whatever
develops to the northwest, the idea being a seamless development
that's there. And underneath, three-sided bar. You know, I guess the
greatest form of flattery is plagiarism. We looked at what they did at
Celebration Food Truck Park and what we've seen around the county:
San Antonio, Austin. We visited Vicksburg, we visit Sandusky.
This open-air concept, you'd see outside ping pong, corn hole,
you know, TVs to watch sports. It really keeps the parents and
families here during the whole event that's going on. It generates
quite a bit of revenue and, you know, we see that as a large amenity
for our residents. There's no gated access in here to stop county
residents from coming in at any time. So this is open on the
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weekends unless he have a reserved event that we might have for a
special event, the Board does.
Just another picture of the fire pits. We've left a spot for some
art in this area here, and the stadium is that location, the lake is that
way. So you get a little chance to orientate yourself a little bit.
And then the fitness area. A lot of conversation about this.
Outdoor fitness has become a tremendous, you know, amenity that
people seek to use outside. Functional fitness. We've worked with a
couple different companies to lay out an outdoor fitness area.
Athletes will come here, train here. It will be open to the public. We
have not talked about yet whether we charge for some of this or not.
You've got a yoga area and a fitness court. In this area here, the
fitness court, we received the grant that you approved, and we're
going to build something exactly like that that's out there in that
location.
So, you know, it becomes one of those things that on weekends
hundreds of people will gravitate to and just want to be able to work
out outside, walk around the lake, take their kids to the park, and use
the fitness area that's there as well, too.
We get into the stadium design. And you get a feel for what the
stadium looks like. The great lawn is here looking down. Neat
concept that we work with designers. This stage area works both
ways. It works into the stadium, and it works out into this little
pavilion area there. The screen itself is 16 by 30. A smaller one
faces inside the stadium. These are raised steps, 10 feet in width, up
a foot and a half each one. And then you've got a little pathway and
another pathway that goes around there. So people can sit, watch
events outside, have music, concerts. It ties in -- you know, there's
that market I mentioned to Commissioner Fiala, you walk that way,
and you walk that way, and you get to the path and, yet, with these
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little gates and walls, you can remove them when you want to or
include them when you want to secure the stadium.
We're not building this building, but we are having a set of
bleachers put there. To save money, we did not replicate the west
side of the stadium. We went with berms. These are 10 -foot berms
all the way around.
So seating will have about 3,500 to start. You'll be able to go to
10,000 at its max. But even with the berms, you could have 4- to
5,000 people there. And we're in conversations with United States
Soccer League about having a Tier 1, Tier 2 team come over here and
potentially want to play in Collier County. So that's an interesting
prospect, too.
Just another view. Both -- the stadium has a second floor.
Again, NBC worked with us on that second floor. Two decks that
come off there from -- I call them VIP rooms, but they're areas that
you could have parties and special events and then come out to the
deck and watch the event that goes on.
Vomitorium. And that's a strange word to call it, but that's what they
call it.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: A what?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Vomitorium. When you come out of
your locker rooms, you come out that way, and the new type lighting
that we have is Musco lights. You can actually shut the whole park
down, focus the lighting on coming in, and you could have a light
show that comes in there, and it's -- dollar-wise not very much more,
but the technology's come so far that it's really outstanding when you
look at it.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Are we going to talk about an
alternate use for the stadium?
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MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes, ma'am. I think that's why we
call it the event center, as well, too. We've got a lot of interest from
folks who want to have concerts in there.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: One music festival and --
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Well, you talk about that. The United
Arts Council, and the study that they've done, United Arts Council
wants to sign an MOU with the county. They want to have their 40th
year anniversary gala here in the fall. They said a week long, but
maybe for their first event a three-day event with arts, music, festival
and, you know, types of events there, as well as, too.
Just another view. So you can see, this is the great lawn up in
here, the lake. This is the berm. You can't see it in this kind of
rendering, but it goes up about 10 feet. So there's seating all the way
around the stadium as well, too.
The amenity area, subject to funding at the end of Phase 2, SFI,
the management company, has said, really to monetize this park even
more to charge gate, and they could recommend including their little
kids' play area, park, you know, they talked about miniat ure golf, a
climbing area. Very successful in Sandusky and Vicksburg, because
when you notice, you bring families to these events, you have a lot of
downtime in other family members. So the mom or the dad takes the
other kids, and they take them someplace else.
And the way they run it in Sandusky -- and we met with an Erie
county commissioners -- and I think I told you that the last time I was
here -- they say to the people -- when they say, well, you're charging
$10 gate, and people say, why do I have to pay to come watch my kid
play? And they say, if you don't enjoy yourself the whole time you're
here, we'll give you your money back. Just let us know. They said
they're not giving any money back because there's just so much to do
at the park. So they talk about that experience.
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That's just a schematic that they've provided, a sports force park
at the bottom hand (sic) corner, what it would look like.
The website's already up. They've got -- there's seven or eight
slides. I didn't want to take you through all of them, but if you go to
www.sportsforceparknaples, you'll see that they provide construction
photos. They allow teams to register already. So they're already
starting to book events.
With the limited fields, they're working with North Collier Parks
and Rec to do tournaments in both locations until the park's fully
built out. But they've already started their programming, and Sean is
working with them to do the management contract.
TDT to collections. And, you know, this is an important
conversation to have. This line that comes across, that's when we set
the TD. And Commissioner Saunders, rightly so, wanted to make
sure that we restricted the funds going to this product to make sure
that advertising and beach renourishment would take their fair share
of the funds that went there.
We are about $4 million above plan. So one of the thoughts
we've had in talking to Mark Isackson and Ed Finn is that -- take this
delta between plan for a year or two and let us catch back up, maybe
three years, depending on the revenue, with construction values and
not borrow any more money, but use a little pay -go and maybe some
commercial paper to soften the edges to get us through the rest of the
construction.
But this is, I think, a sign of the health of the new hotels that are
coming in. I think it also is a sign that the Tax Collector, as we
talked to him, is doing a good job of catching the Airbnb. So I think
that trend is good for us and allows a little bit of flexibility in terms
of that.
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And I think we did say -- I know we said it. When you said, is
3.75 million enough? I said, no, it's not. We'll do the best we can,
and that's the cap we have when we took out the debt service.
Really try to make -- you know, to Crystal's credit, she asked a
lot of questions that -- whether you like or dislike the project, I think
it really makes us go through and identify everything that's in there.
So in the executive summary, I went to great effort to try and break
out the soft costs and the hard costs so you get a good understanding
of what's going on.
These are your softs costs that when I do a construction
estimate, I don't put that in my head, typically, but you can see they
add up. And, you know, some of them, like the impact fees and
mitigation and then the fees that are in there as well, too. But they're
about $10 million.
And in your hard costs, you have your actuals, and then the
budget I'm kind of working with for Phase 2, which is the 305, the 28
million right there. And then the revenue on the right-hand side. So
my negative variance is about 8 to $12 million.
And important I put on the record again, I'm not going to know
that number really, really good until I understand this fill impact to
the 305 site, and then we'll have that. And what I would like to do as
we move forward is work with the design team to bring what I would
call several alternates so I can -- next time we come forward to bring
these projects forward, I can say, if we do everything, this is the cost.
I've got several alternates that I can deduct and add, and we can talk
about where you want to go with it.
We are in conversations with naming rights right now. Our
bond counsel told us that we have about $8 million as a maximum
that we can collect. We think we'll hit that ultimately because we
have a lot of interest right now, and Sean's working those
conversations.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Saunders, do you
have a question now or --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah. You were mentioning
the fill, and I wanted to just throw out a thought in reference to that.
I don't know how much land is involved in that potential area of
the Little League area, but my position would be, unless persuaded
otherwise, which would be difficult, would be not to use that for fill.
Once you dig the lake, it's a lake forever. That land in the Little
League facility there, I think, will be very important down the road.
And if that means delaying, you know, waiting another year or two
for certain things because of the increase in the collections of the
tourist tax, that would be a better approach. So I just wanted to,
while you were discussing that, let you know that my position would
be let's don't start using land for building more lakes than we have to.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: I'm going to look at our engineer of
record; make sure he heard that. Okay.
We're going to bring you options so that you'll have all those decision
points in the future. This to me is a really important slide because,
you know, if I were that good at predicting construction costs or
anything else that's in the market -- we started this project here '16/'17
with the study. You can see what's happened with these huge
increases in construction costs.
This is the recession. Things went down in the low single digits
then started jumping up from '12/'13. This comes out of -- the source
of this data -- I just pulled it about an hour ago. It comes out of the
Bureau of Labor and Statistics.
And this is engineering fees as they've escalated since 2007. So
you can see, it's pretty significant in terms of what we're facing in
increase. And our contractor, Gordon Knapp, is here. He's working
on Artis of Naples. They've got a major contract with RSW. They're
also doing that project the gentleman spoke of today, the community
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health center. And he'll tell you by nodding his head, he's
experiencing having this conversation with all of his clients about
increasing construction costs.
And then the last slide I have is your Turner building index. I
had Geoff Willig in our office just run a calculation from when we
started this project here. If we built that project and we waited till
here, the total increase is 14 percent, 91 million -- 80 million to 91
million. So, you know, again, a pretty steep rise.
Now, I had a chance to meet Larry Rooney, which is
Congressman Francis Rooney's son. He's the president of Manhattan.
And he said nationally they're having these conversations. People
saying, should I wait?
And he said, don't wait. It's not going to get any better anytime
soon. It may level out. The fact that you've phased this thing, you're
at least turning the park on where many people would be, you know,
now in this quagmire of we want to wait until the final plans are
done. I had that conversation with Commissioner Taylor. I think we
made the right decision, because you're going to be turning this thing
on, and that drives further revenue coming in as the places around
there start to use the park as well, too.
With that said, I'll take any questions that you have, and go from
there.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Any questions?
I just want to say, you know, that I was looking at the executive
summary and the budget processes, and I would like a clarification,
because one of the things that sold me on this project from the
beginning was that 80,000-square-foot field house that dups as a
hurricane shelter for us.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yeah.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And I thought I remembered in the
initial plans that it was all inclusive and part of it, and then at some
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stage our costs continued to escalated, and now it's got moved to
what's known as Phase 3, and we're -- it's another 16 million that's not
part of the included deficit for the TPC, for the total project cost.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes, sir. I think the last time I
presented this I called that out. I think it's more than 16 million. I
think when you go to what they call a safe-room category, you're
probably in the neighborhood of 25 million.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay.
MR. CALLAHAN: Right. And from an operator's perspective,
when we did the Hunden study -- and I called this out at my last
presentation. From a revenue-to-expense analysis, your fields
generate much more revenue compared to the expense you have of
maintaining the fields compared to a field house.
And I understand you made that point at the last presentation,
Mr. Chairman. You said, yeah, but I really want that field house
because that safe -- that shelter's important to me.
And I said, I understand that.
If it was -- you know, we use the shelter once every two years,
but when you need it, you need it. If you're going to invest TD
revenue, you've really got to have that revenue coming in.
So the decision has always been, get the fields in place later,
because now you have revenue coming in. You can then fund the
field house.
Now, we have asked -- we have set aside 8 million in the surtax,
and we've to the state for an appropriation of 8 million. And
someone might say, why would the state give you 8 million? Well,
they gave Babcock Ranch 8 million last year. And understand that's
Syd Kitson, and he's got a little more juice than lowly me and
everybody else.
Senator Passidomo put it on the list, and we're talking about it.
Our goal is to reach out to Jared Moskowitz, try and get a little bit of
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incentive for him to join that. And then we're applying for grants. So
that's where we are with the field house.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All right. And there again, it just
is -- health, safety, and welfare is paramount for me. I mean -- and I
understand revenue and operational costs. Those are all extremely
important to the ultimate success of the project. But from a
prioritization of our community, I think that's number one for the
community. It doesn't mean we don't have places to shelter people in
the event of a natural disaster.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Right.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: By no means. But this is the
epitomization to me. East of I-75, tidal surges are virtually non -- if
we get a tidal surge that far in, we're all going to go paddling, so...
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I just -- I would really -- I mean, I'll
be happy to assist with making sure that that gets done.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: I would support that and appreciate
that help.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Any other questions? I mean, it's
an amazing project. We're looking forward to it. Everybody's
excited about it, to speak of.
Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I just wanted to say, you
know, you've got the cost overruns or the increases in cost, but I think
the way this has been structured, we're at a very positive financial
situation with this, if the sales tax -- or the tourist tax revenues had
dropped, we'd be having a different conversation. But from the chart
that you've given us, we were able to use approximately $6 million
was the baseline in terms of what was available in Fiscal Year '18.
That number has now gone to about 9 million. So you've got a $3
million delta there that my understanding is that's going into reserves.
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MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes. If it's overplanned, we don't
program it; we put it into reserves.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So assuming that our tourism
continues to be robust, as predictions are, over a period of a few years
you're going to accumulate enough in reserves to cover some of th e
increased costs that we're experiencing. That's one of the reasons
why I was saying in terms of the fill material I'd rather delay things
for a couple years as opposed to using the land that will be very
important. So I want to congratulate staff. I think even with the
increases in cost and the potential for the field house to be delayed a
little bit, I think we're in great shape.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Agreed. And I concur with
Commissioner Saunders about digging up the ball fields.
MR. OCHS: Got it.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So I had the occasion to speak to
a gentleman from Sports Force.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yeah, Mr. James Arnold.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: James Arnold. And he looked at
me. He said, you know, we wouldn't have taken this project if we
weren't sure that the community was going to use it. He said, we are
in a position in our company to decide who we want to work with,
and it's very high values that we deal -- that we work with
communities that want to include the community access to these
facilities.
And I was so impressed with that. I just -- that's our values, and
that's what -- it's modern business, seeking values, and they represent
that. So, congratulations. I know they were -- they were many that
you looked at, but I was really sold.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: We flew up to Atlanta to their offices
to see if they were two guys working out of a trailer or if it was a
legitimate business, because a lot of times you will get people who
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put in RFPs, and you don't realize. And the fact that we fle w to Ohio
to meet with the area county commissioner to see how they operate a
park, I mean, I think we're doing a lot of due diligence to make sure
we don't turn the keys over to someone else.
And I think for Commissioner McDaniel and Commissioner
Fiala, I need you to know -- because it's a topic that comes up often --
your Big Corkscrew Park is getting a lot of attention, and we're
making sure that gets done.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: When are we doing the ribbon
cutting?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: This week, I think, right? Coming
up. Yeah, next week.
And, Commissioner Fiala, you know, East Naples, Eagle Lakes,
we're looking at those. I know the pickleball items -- I gave you a
sketch yesterday. Again, I'm driving Margaret a little bit crazy
because we want to make sure we hit the numbers on the US Open
Pickleball and everything else that's going on, too.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So just in addition,
Ms. Margaret, how many people is she supervising?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Come on up. She asked you a
question.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: By the way, the ribbon cutting is
December 16th for Corkscrew Park.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: It is? For where?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Corkscrew Regional Park, Big
Corkscrew.
MS. BISHOP: Projects, is that what you're saying?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And people.
MS. BISHOP: Oh, my. Actually, I was just looking at the list.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: About.
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MS. BISHOP: We probably have about 80 parks projects
running right now.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Eighty, eight zero, parks
projects?
MS. BISHOP: Yes.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Wow.
MS. BISHOP: But that includes a lot of smaller projects, not
just the capital projects.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: So say it again.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Eighty. She's supervising 80.
And how many people do you supervise?
MS. BISHOP: I don't do all the work. I'm in facilities, so we
have a team of people. What do we have in facilities about? Ten
project managers.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And you supervise them all?
MS. BISHOP: I don't supervise all of them, but we have -- we
work as a team.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah. Well, you do a great job.
Great job.
MR. OCHS: Yes, she does.
Thank you, Margaret.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: She's supervising all of
Manhattan.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: She does, doesn't she? She's out
there.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: And let us know if you want to take a
tour. Just reach out to us. We'll meet you out there. I know
Commissioner Taylor, Councilwoman McLeod's been out there. And
I think they've been impressed with what they've seen. And every
week it changes. They're doing a really good job, so...
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I know we have some public
speakers, but Commissioner Solis, and then Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Well, I just -- I was going to add
something to what Commissioner Taylor was saying about the
community using it. And it's really interesting, because I recently got
together a group of 35-year-olds, and I asked them, you know, what
is -- what do we need to do to attract -- not only to get people in that
age group to stay here and work here and raise families here, but
what are we missing that we need to do to attract that group, young
professionals, young -- you know, and one of the things that -- the
one thing that they all agreed upon was parks that are actually social
venues, not specifically, you know, a specific sport venue, but a
social place to go and spend the day.
I think when we open the doors on this thing, it's just going to be
packed, because there's a real -- a real desire for that. You know, a
place to just go and hang out. Exercise, hang out, have lunch, do --
you know, social places, not just a sports venue.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: And adult beverages.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yeah. A good IPA doesn't hurt.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I agree.
Commissioner Saunders, you pulled your light. You --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah. I was just going to
make a motion to approve staff recommendation, but if you want to
wait until public comment, that's fine.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'll second it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded.
Let's do public comment.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chairman, I have two registered. Steve
Quinn, who I see is here. I don't see Mary Shea. So I think
Mr. Quinn might be your only speaker left on this item.
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MR. QUINN: Hello. My name is Steve Quinn. I'm the
President of Football University.
I just wanted to let everybody know, we're excited about the
sports complex, obviously. We decided to move the business back
here to Naples, Florida, because of exactly what's happening right
now with this sports complex. So I was a little bit late because we
actually have 5,000 people coming in this weekend to Naples,
Florida, and like the lady over here, we manage about 87 different
teams right now, which 40 of them are going to be making their way
down here in the next four or five days. So --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: What are they coming here for?
MR. QUINN: They're coming here for the tournament that I
talked about last month, the football tournament. Remember, you
spoke with one of them in the hotel last year, the family?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah.
MR. QUINN: Yeah. So they'll be down here for the football
tournament this weekend.
I just wanted to let you all know how excited we are, not just
Football University, but the football world. So we're considered one
of the biggest middle school and high school football companies
around the world. Not just in the country, but around the world.
And if you go out and you go to LA or you go to Rhode Island
or you go to Indiana or you go to Seattle, they talk about the path to
Naples, the road to Naples.
So we've been marketing this thing since I did a presentation
with Nick in the room about five years ago and Ms. Taylor in the
room about five years ago that this dream was to hopefully build
Naples like the Williamsport of baseball is for Little League baseball
is to bring youth football here to Naples. And we're on the right
track.
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And I just wanted to let you know a lot of times we're in our
own cocoon here in Naples, but people are talking about this sports
complex all across the country and have been for a long time. I think
some of them sometimes think, is this really going to happen?
So I appreciate you guys, you know, giving us the opportunity to
bring these events here. Like Nick had mentioned, we're going to be
bringing Top Gun here in July, so during the shoulder seasons,
between December when it's quiet in the hotels and July, we'll have
close to 10,000 people here in Collier County using this fine facility.
I know it's not just for football. It's for all sports. But we're going to
be filling this thing up for years to come. So thank you very much.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you, Steven.
MR. MILLER: And your other speaker would be Mary Shea.
MS. SHEA: Hi. Thank you.
I just wanted to thank you guys for the attention. You know, I've
been talking about this for several years. And it's going to be great. I
just want to say, let's keep the momentum. And I would hate to come
back here three years from now saying, would have, could have,
should have.
So thank you guys, and let's keep it going. And it's going to be
awesome. I'm excited about sports and entertainment. And like you
said earlier, people want to go be sociable. And let's stay away from
the phones like we talked about last week. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you, Ms. Mary.
All right. It's been moved and seconded that we approve the --
what are we actually -- the staff's recommendation is to approve the
fourth amendment and move forward. Any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
Item #11E
AWARD AGREEMENT NO. 19-7540 IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT
OF $14,962,500 TO THE QUALITY ENTERPRISES USA, INC.,
FOR “DESIGN BUILD COLLIER COUNTY I-75 AND 951
UTILITY RELOCATION PROJECT” AND AUTHORIZE THE
CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE THE ATTACHED CONTRACT –
MOTION TO AWARD – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Item 11E is a recommendation to award a contract
in the amount of $14,962,500 to Quality Enterprises USA for the
design build Collier County I-75/951 utility relocation project,
authorize the Chairman to execute the contract.
Mr. Chmelik, your Public Utilities Engineering Project
Management Director, can make the presentation or respond to
questions from the Board. You all know that this is being done in
advance of the FDOT improvements to the interchange at that
location, and this is the project to move our utility lines out of the
way and relocate those.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll make a motion to approve.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Second.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded. And
it's an amazing report again, sir.
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Tom is on a roll.
MR. CHMELIK: Thank you, Commissioners.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You are.
Is there any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
MR. OCHS: Thank you, Tom.
Item #11F
PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING CHANGES TO AN
AMENDMENT TO THE LDC INVOLVING SELF-STORAGE
BUILDINGS ON U.S. 41 BETWEEN THE EAST SIDE OF
AIRPORT-PULLING ROAD TO THE WEST SIDE OF PRICE
STREET/TRIANGLE BOULEVARD. THIS IS A FOLLOW-UP TO
THE ITEM REVIEWED BY THE BOARD AT THE SEPTEMBER
10, 2019 BCC MEETING, ITEM #11C – MOTION FOR STAFF TO
CONTINUE REVIEWING THE AMENDMENT – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Item 11F is a recommendation to provide staff
with direction regarding changes to an amendment to the Land
Development Code involving self-storage buildings on U.S. 41
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between the east side of Airport-Pulling Road and the west side of
Price Street in the Triangle Boulevard.
Mr. Jeremy Frantz, your LDC Manager, will make the brief
presentation. Jeremy.
MR. FRANTZ: Good afternoon, Jeremy Frantz with the Zoning
Division.
I have a really brief presentation to just kind of lay out where
we've been, how we've gotten here.
So, actually, this issue came before you-all way back in 2016
when you-all considered a moratorium on self-storage facilities in
this corridor. Rather than adopting that moratorium, though, a
corridor study was initiated. That was in 2017. That corridor study
resulted in a couple of different recommendations, one of them being
to establish separation standards for self-storage facilities, and that
led us in -- earlier this -- this year, coming back to you-all with an
LDC amendment to establish those separation standards.
Your direction at that time was not to advertise that ordinance
that we had prepared but to instead create incentives for allowing --
or for including commercial activities on the first floor of self -storage
facilities or locating those self-storage facilities behind the
commercial buildings.
Really quickly, just to review what your current standards are
for self-storage facilities, this use is not permitted in the C1 through
C3 zoning districts. It is only allowed as a conditional use in C4, and
it's permitted in C5. There are a few PUDs in the corridor that do
allow for self-storage. And, of course, for all of these, the
architectural code applies.
Here you can see the current and proposed locations of
self-storage facilities in the East Trail corridor.
And so the two potential incentives that we're bringing back to
you-all today for consideration is one in the C4 zoning district to
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change self-storage facilities from a conditional use to a permitted
use only if a mix of uses is provided, and the other is to create a
reduction for required parking and landscape buffers. Again, only for
mixed use.
So this is approaching the desire to have -- when we do have a
self-storage facility, to have it more as a mixed-use concept.
Presenting this more as an incentivization rather than what you saw
back in September, a separation requirement. And that's all I have
for you.
MR. OCHS: So we're looking for Board guidance on whether
you want us to develop LDC amendments around these two
proposals.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes, understood.
Commissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: When you say reduce parking,
required parking, we already have parking lacking in most places.
Would reducing the parking requirement even hinder it more?
MR. FRANTZ: The concept behind --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: So maybe I better ask you this:
You're talking about to incentivize the builder of a storage unit to put
commercial on the first floor. So, in other words, there's probably
very little parking needed in a storage unit or storage building, but
you're -- but you'd need more with a conditional -- rather, with the
retail.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: So are you saying reduce what you
would need for retail in order to incentivize to do that?
MR. FRANTZ: And I think the LDC amendment process, we
would kind of flesh out exactly what that reduction would be. But
the concept there is that you've got a mix of uses, and some of these
uses might have parking demands that occur either at different times,
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and so there might be an ability to share required parking. And so
that's where the concept of a reduction comes from.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. Then in that same vein, so
say, for instance the storage unit wants to build a dress shop. You
would probably need not so many parking spaces because it's just not
going to be crowded, but it wants to build a restaurant, and you're
going to need plenty more parking spaces, if it's a popular restaurant.
So do you modify that when you put this amendment together?
MR. FRANTZ: Yeah. I mean, I think we would need the time
to go back and look at exactly how we would structure that reduction.
But when we calculate our parking requirements, we look at each
individual component of the use. And so, you know, we'll do that
same kind of thing when we would look at a reduction.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, okay, yeah.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And, Troy, I believe we have -- are
you okay?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. You were -- I didn't unlight
you there. So, Troy, do we have some public speakers?
MR. MILLER: I have one registered speaker, Mr. Chair. Jean
Kungle.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Oh, there she is.
MS. KUNGLE: Jean Kungle, resident, Collier County.
I just was looking this over, and I just had a few things. I know
that it's not done. But the 51 percent of the first floor to be used as
any commercial neighborhood use. It's very vague because I might
want to open up a cotton ball store that's not going to make it, and
then I'll come back to you and say you either give me my condi tional
use to go back to storage, or I blight it and leave it vacant. So that's
not good either. So what kind of a business? That would be very
important to us.
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They also -- could they argue that their office is part of the
51 percent or maybe their own -- let me take a breath here. Maybe
their own retail store to sell their boxes, tape, or maybe the cousin's
going to open up that store, so that gets rid of that part of I'm going to
open it. So that's something, I think, that needs to be in there if
they're going to do this.
The reduction in parking and landscaping that you just brought
up, that needs to be very spelled out. The investors are not going to
want to build two-story anymore. They're going to want to go higher
because of the 51 percent. Why not have this go throughout the
whole county? Why is it just this one area? I think it should be
throughout. There's a lot of it really up on Airport Road. That's real
crazy.
Also, I do think it should be part of the East Naples Community
Development Plan, but that's taking a long time, so that's why we're
here with this. We've waited 259 days to get the approval to bid on
that plan. And just as a note, Davidson approval took 29 days. The
best plan on this whole thing would be to eliminate the conditional
use in C4 and just have storage in C5. That's my take on it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Any other comments?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I just -- just as a point of
clarification, the conversion of the permitted use of C4 we're not
disallowing any of the other already zoned PUDs and/or C5, which it
is already a permitted use. We're just incentivizing the C4 within the
corridor study area first.
MR. FRANTZ: That's the concept that we're --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes. And that proposition -- and
it's on the criterion that 51 percent be utilized as something other than
storage, retail or, I would assume, some sort of mixed use along those
lines. And that 51 percent, is it relegated solely to the first floor?
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MR. FRANTZ: I mean, that's the way we've crafted it in the
executive summary, but we can come back with options for you all
when we bring back an actual LDC amendment.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Sure. I like the incentivization
idea. I really, really do. I prefer this methodology. I think it could
be something for us to utilize as a pilot program within this study to
see if it actually incentivizes mixed-use projects. And if it works
with little to no negative impacts or unintended consequences --
Commissioner Solis, we're continually concerned with those --
maybe we can expand it to the balance of the community and have
some dispersal of these facilities in other places as well.
So I like the premise of this. I'm a little concerned about the
reduction in parking because, as Commissioner Fiala said, the uses
demand a certain amount of parking requisites, and until we actually
go through that process -- and, obviously, landscape buffering,
provide sight and sound barriers for protection of neighbors and
traffic and the like, so -- but we can review those specifically as those
LDC -- I assume this is the preempt to Land Development Code
amendments that we'll actually effectuate; is that correct?
MR. FRANTZ: Correct. And I would just say that the
reduction in parking, you know, we're just looking at multiple
options.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Sure.
MR. FRANTZ: The biggest incentive between these two is
really making it potentially a permitted use. That's the one that's
going to save a lot of costs.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well -- and, you know -- I can't
remember the fellow's name that came and did the market study for
us and the enormous amount of expense that's piled into parking
facilities from an economic basis standpoint within our community. I
mean, there has to be viability, connectivity. I mean, it has to work at
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the same time, but there's a huge expense associated with parking
facilities. So if that can be effectuated, that can be an incentive as
well, so...
I'll make a motion for approval as recommended for those -- for
that item.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Second.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded for
approval. All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
MR. FRANTZ: Thank you.
Item #11G
AWARD INVITATION TO BID NUMBER 19-7612, “96TH
AVENUE NORTH PUBLIC UTILITIES RENEWAL" (PROJECT
NUMBERS 60139 AND 70120), TO DOUGLAS N. HIGGINS,
INC., IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,357,500, AUTHORIZE THE
NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENTS AND AUTHORIZE
THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT – APPROVED
Item #11H
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A $535,211 PURCHASE ORDER TO STANTEC CONSULTING
SERVICES, INC., UNDER CONTRACT NUMBER 14-6345 FOR
CONSTRUCTION, ENGINEERING, AND INSPECTION
SERVICES FOR THE PUBLIC UTILITY RENEWAL PROJECT
FOR 96TH AVENUE NORTH, PROJECT NUMBERS 60139 AND
70120 – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, the next two items are companion
items. 11G is a recommendation to award a construction contract for
the 96th Avenue North public utilities renewal project to Douglas
Higgins, Incorporated, in the amount of $5,357,500; authorize the
necessary budget amendments; and authorize the Chairman to sign
the attached agreement.
Item 11H, if you approve 11G, would be then to issue a
purchase order and approve that purchase order to Stantec Consulting
Services for construction, engineering, and inspection services related
to the 96th Avenue North project.
Again, Mr. Chmelik can take you through these. These are very
similar to the other streets that we've been renovating both with
water --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We'd have already voted on it if
you just went like that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Got it.
Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll make a motion to approve
the staff recommendation on Items 11G and 11H.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Second.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: In that order? You've got to do one
first, yes.
It's been moved and seconded that we approve these items. And
another amazing report, sir.
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yeah, batting a thousand.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: We're going to trick you one
of these days.
MR. CHMELIK: Thank you, Commissioners. I'm waiting.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded. All
in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
If the County Manager hadn't have been going on, we'd have
been done with that one already.
MR. OCHS: I was on a roll there.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: It's his velvet tones that just talk us
right into it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It really is velvet tones. Velvet
tones.
Item #11I
AWARD REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL NO. 19-7547, “SECURITY
CONTROL SYSTEM REPLACEMENT FOR THE COLLIER
COUNTY JAIL FACILITIES,” IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,632,790
FOR PROJECT #50183 TO STANLEY CONVERGENT
SECURITY SOLUTIONS, INC., FOR UPGRADING THE
SECURITY CONTROL SYSTEM AT THE NAPLES AND
IMMOKALEE JAIL CENTERS – APPROVED
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MR. OCHS: Item 11I is a recommendation to award a contract
for security control system replacement for the Collier County Jail
facilities in the amount of $1,632,790 to Stanley Convergent Security
Solutions for upgrading the security control system at both the Naples
and Immokalee Jail centers.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Move to approve.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Second.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded that
we approve, per the staff's recommendations, the security
enhancements with our jail system. Any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
MR. OCHS: I see Chief Roberts back there. Thank you, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Chief, now you can go back to
work, sir.
CHIEF ROBERTS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No, thank you, sir. He's doing an
amazing job.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Look at all the guns leaving the
room.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We've still got the main guns in t he
back. Mark's there. We're safe.
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Item #11J
AWARD AGREEMENT NO. 19-7601, “SOUTH COUNTY
WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY [FILTER] SET 3-4
REHABILITATION" (PROJECT NUMBER 70148), TO
INTERCOUNTY ENGINEERING, INC., IN THE AMOUNT OF
$1,893,990, AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE
THE AGREEMENT – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Item 11J is a recommendation to award an
agreement for the purchase of south county water reclamation facility
rehabilitation to Intercounty Engineering in the amount of
$1,893,990; authorize the Chairman to execute the agreement.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Move to approve.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I was going to ask for a full
explanation. You beat me to it.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No, you weren't.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yes, I was.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded we
approve as recommended. Any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
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MR. OCHS: Thank you, sir.
MR. CHMELIK: Thank you, again.
Item #11M
AUTHORIZING PAYMENT OF THE ANNUAL ASSESSMENT
FEE FOR COLLIER COUNTY’S MEMBERSHIP IN THE
SOUTHWEST FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL
(SWFRPC), IN THE AMOUNT OF $110,204 FOR FY20 –
MOTION TO NOT REMIT PAYMENT AND SEND NOTICE –
APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Item 11 (sic) was previously 16A29 on your
agenda. This was moved to the regular agenda at Commissioner
Taylor's request. It's a recommendation to authorize payment of the
annual assessment fee for Collier County's membership in the
Southwest Florida Regional Planning Council in the amount of 110
dollars -- excuse me -- $110,204 for Fiscal Year '20.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So I brought this before us
because we can or we don't have to. But I can tell you that Lee
County is not paying. Who else isn't paying?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Charlotte County, Sarasota?
MR. OCHS: Charlotte, Sarasota --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: The three big communities. Three
of the four big counties are no longer contributing.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And our chairman is diligent in
attending meetings. And he approached it with this can-do attitude.
How can we make this RPC relevant? And they dodged it. They
dodged it. They tossed the ball back and forth. It was amazing.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I was going to pull it. You did it in
advance, but I was going to pull it.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And the last -- you know, and
you keep -- and then you'll go back and you'll say, okay, but what
about -- what about the discussions about what we're going to do?
And they dodged it again.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You know, when Brian Hammond
came in the spring, Brian Hammond, the county commissioner from
Lee County was reappointed by his board, that's when I hit the wall.
Brian sat there across the room from me in the meeting -- and we
have actually a relevancy discussion on the agenda now. And Brian
sat there through the relevancy discussion and said, you know, I just
got reelected. I was on this committee, on this RPC five years ago,
we were arguing about the relevancy of the organization then, and
here I am back reappointed, and you're still talking about relevancy.
And I'm not sure -- I think he stayed for the balance of the meeting,
but he's not ever been back. It's not worth his time.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And so I would like -- you know,
again I would like -- I think -- and I'm not positive about the legalities
of it. If we can just not pay, yeah, I'm okay with that. But I think we
have to serve -- the other communities have served the RPC a
12-month notice of their notice of nonpayment. You have to give
them a 12-month notice in advance to do that. And if that's the case,
that's what we need to do now.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Whatever it is, we're terminating
or heading towards termination.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: By statute -- by statute we have to
be -- the county has to be a member of an RPC.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Correct, but we don't have to
pay them.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: But then there's a legal question as
to whether or not we have to pay or not. And so our withdrawal of
that payment should instigate relevancy in a relatively quick matter.
So I'm -- whatever we need to do. I mean, if the County
Attorney says we don't have to pay, then I'm okay with that, too. But
I just remember Sarasota giving a 12-month notice; we're done. And
then they -- I think Sarasota pulled out of the Southwest Florida RPC
and went with Tampa. And then when they with -- well, it's a little
metropolitan, more relative to their world.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Relevant.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And then when they sent their
12-month notice to not pay, Lee County went, uh, so then they sent
their 12-month notice, and then Charlotte did the same thing, and
we've been holding on. And I've been arguing for it, in all sincerity
simply because of the ownership of the Promise Zone initiative. But
now we actually have found that there are other agencies, i.e., Collier
County, can, in fact, administer that Promise Zone initiative and still
effectuate the goods that can come from that, so...
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And that time frame is
dwindling anyway s. It's 10 years.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And three years gone, so we still
have seven. We still have seven years left with the Promise Zone.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I thought it was more than that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No, ma'am. Right when I got
elected is when that adoption came in place, which is '17, '16/'17,
somewhere in there. Could be six years, but plus or minus. There's
still time for the Hendry, Glades, and Immokalee area to benefit from
that Promise Zone, so...
The recommendation with regard to this was to send our notice
and/or to not pay. Have you investigated at all the terms of
elimination or the --
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MR. KLATZKOW: If you don't want to pay, don't pay. I mean,
what's the worst that could happen? That somebody, like, makes us
pay, so you'd have to pay anyway. So if you don't want to pay, don't
pay. I mean, this is -- this is based on an interlocal that's many, many
years old.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And, arguably, out of date and
antiquated.
MR. KLATZKOW: It's out of date. It's antiquated. I mean,
you're statutorily required to be a member, but you're not statutorily
required to pay anything. They can certainly run their organization
on grants and other funding sources.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well -- and that's probably what
they've been doing to make up the deficits. But based upon the
revenue streams that they had, the organization is going to be done
here.
MR. KLATZKOW: But it's the member of the counties -- it's
the member counties that set the budget.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Oh, well, in this case --
MR. KLATZKOW: They're just not showing up.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Let's just put it this way: It's a
very difficult thing to go back and correct years of practice and,
frankly, the RPC sets the budget there.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: The RPC -- it's similarly --
MR. KLATZKOW: But it's no different than this body here.
You set the budget. Leo may come to you with a proposed budget,
but Leo doesn't set budget. The RPC is the same way. Just because
they're running --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: The executive director, even here
the executive director, our director of finance, they set -- they
propose the budget, and it's ratified by that particular board, in
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theory. That's the same way that's going on up there. It's -- again,
it's --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: It's just --
MR. KLATZKOW: If you find no value, don't pay.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I've -- just so everyone's clear,
we're both members there. I oftentimes will listen by phone and
participate by phone. Commissioner McDaniel shows up. And so
I've been listening from afar. His anxiety, I could see the perspiration
pouring down his face, and I thought he was going to leave at one
point. And they -- and there is a deliberate, may I say that in a very
gentle fashion, but it is a conscious -- conscious action not to address
relevancy or to create this committee. It's more we have to take care
of the budget and we have salaries to pay and that kind of thing.
That's it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Absolutely. And they're all
hinging -- and with due respect. I don't mean to interrupt. They're all
hinging on the old days of the RPC having some teeth.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: When the DCA was exist, the RPC
was an approval process for projects to come through. And we -- at
the latest meeting that I was at, they sat there and talked about how it
used to be.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Used to be.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And I was like, it's not anymore.
They are relegated -- have been relegated to an informational
meeting, and we have -- I have some very interesting proposals to
come forward at our next meeting in January. So you can listen in if
we're still on that committee.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: The only question I had was, what
regional planning function do they provide anymore?
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: It's a planning council looking
for that.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right. But, I mean, that coming
down from -- I mean, it's been made irrelevant in a way.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: -- statutory changes.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: They were -- they were relegated to
an informational process. They weren't even doing that. And so -- I
mean, when I first started showing up, they weren't even
disseminating information. It was coming from other jurisdictions to
our staff. Our planning staff weren't even being -- they were
expecting the elected officials that went to those meetings to actually
bring that information back. So, of course, we shifted that all aroun d
as well.
So I actually met -- just so you know, I actually met with the --
at our M-CORPS meeting yesterday, the director -- the deputy
director of the Central Florida RPC, and from what I've been told,
that is an extremely vibrant organization with a bunch of poor
counties.
So I met with her, gave her my contact information, and I'm
going to go visit them and speak with some of their members just to
see how they're doing, what they're doing, and see if we can't help
reorganize our own RPC, so...
But you brought the item forward. So I'll let -- you can make
the motion to --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'd like to make a motion that we
don't forward them their annual remittance and that, of course, we
follow the statute accordingly, according to what the statute says.
Either we give them a 12-month notice or we're done. And I guess --
you know, and that's what I'd like to do.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: There was some discussion -- and
he's not afraid of litigation. But there was some discussion -- she had
actually -- our executive director had actually gone and gotten a
legal -- an AG's opinion as to whether or not the payment was
requisite because of the statutory requirement to be a member, and I
remember Carson Turner --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: You wish she hadn't done that,
right?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No, no, no. Actually -- well, the
argument -- and, again, you know, the AG's opinion's just one
lawyer's opinion, and there are many lawyers and opinions.
But Carson Turner was on the speaker, and -- you know, he's a
county commissioner from LaBelle. And when she brought up the
fact of litigation for -- to instigate payment, his comment that he said
was, you've just taken the fun out of dysfunctionality by having to
sue the members to pay for relevancy with regard to an organization,
so -- and I -- that's a quote that needs to go somewhere on my --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: What else could you say?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You can't. I second --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: He's always really great, too.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: He still is.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, is he?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes, he still is.
I second Commissioner Taylor's motion to either stop payment
and/or send notice, whichever the requisite is.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Do we need --
MR. KLATZKOW: I'd do both, stop payment and just send
notice, you know, we're no longer going to pay.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: No longer going to pay.
MR. KLATZKOW: Do it that way.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: If he can do that. Again, the other
communities sent the 12-month notice. I'm very certain of that.
MR. KLATZKOW: If you want to be the only one funding it
for a year, it's okay by me.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We are the only one funding it.
Their notice -- Sarasota came in my first year. Then Lee, and
Charlotte jump on.
(Simultaneous crosstalk.)
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: -- sue us.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I know, who's going to sue?
MR. KLATZKOW: The worst-case scenario is you write the
check -- you just write the check a couple weeks from now. That's
the worst-case scenario.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Do over. Yeah. I would support
not paying.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So the motion is to not pay at all
and then go forward.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: All right.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded. Any
other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
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Item #11N
APPROVAL OF THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND
EVALUATION CRITERIA PROPOSED TO DEVELOP AN
INVITATION TO NEGOTIATE (ITN) SEEKING A PUBLIC-
PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP (P3) TO PROVIDE AN AFFORDABLE
HOUSING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT COMPONENT ON THE
GOLDEN GATE GOLF COURSE PROPERTY - MOTION TO
MOVE FORWARD – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Item 11N was previously Item 16F10 on the
consent agenda moved forward at Commissioner Fiala's request.
This is a recommendation to approve the goals and objectives
and evaluation criteria proposed to develop an invitation to negotiate
seeking a public/private partnership to provide an affordable housing
land development component on the Golden Gate Golf Course
property.
Commissioners, this was a previous directive from the Board to
the staff to direct this ITN and put it on the street, so that's what,
essentially, we've done, and we're just asking you to review and
approve the evaluation criteria goals.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Let me just explain.
MR. OCHS: Yes, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: When we had first started this, we
were talking about a golf course. And then when we voted on it, to
buy the golf course, the comments were, well, I wasn't thinking of it
really remaining a golf course.
Well, what were you thinking? Well, nobody really knew. And
then there were -- but we bought it.
And then the comments were, well, I was thinking of other
things, and then we talked about restaurants. We talked about an
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entertainment center, all types of things. We talked about so many
things, and then all of a sudden this comes out that we're going to
have 200 to 400 low-income units starting at 30 percent of the
median income, and I'm thinking, wait a minute. We've never even
told the people in the community that. They don't e ven know what
we're doing. And this, of course, came out Friday after everything
was out and before the newspapers could even write about it for the
weekend. And I thought, that's just not fair to the community. I
think we ought to tell the community what you're planning on doing
then, and -- because we haven't -- we've conveniently not included
them, and they're going to be the ones that have to live with it, and
that's not fair.
That's why I pulled it.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Two or three years ago the
Community Foundation came to talk to me and say -- and also -- and
eventually staff and said, you know, we'd like to build essential
service housing. And we said at the time -- or I said at the time, that's
wonderful. Please keep us in your sights.
And then Moorings Park came in to the Community Foundation
and said, if you're going to build essential service housing, we would
like to build housing for seniors. And then the opportunity of the
Golden Gate Golf Course came up. And in his -- and the wisdom at
the time -- I questioned that you did this, but understanding your
background and the state, we put a VA nursing home on the wish list
for the taxes and, lo and behold, it was passed, and now we have an
opportunity for a VA nursing home with funding, and the Golden
Gate Golf Course was something that we purchased with this idea
that we would put all of those entities.
We have the land. It's centrally located. We would incorporate
golf. We'd create a campus. That's all been very much part of it.
And then, of course -- and I'll turn this over to my colleague to the
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left whose district this is, but I'm just giving you some of the
background that I know.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay. Thank you.
Well, a couple things. First of all, this never started off as a purchase
to maintain this as a golf course. That's incorrect. There were
always -- there's always been four of us on this board that said we
don't want a county -run golf course. When we did the acquisition, it
was actually a 4-1 vote to buy the property, because you did vote
against the acquisition because you knew at the time that we were not
talking about a golf course.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: You're right about that.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: In terms of low-income units,
what we're talking about, this is not low-income units. That has a
real negative connotation to it.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: What is the 30 percent?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Let me finish with my
comments.
What we're talking about is a -- up to a $10 million contribution
to the Community Foundation to subsidize deed-restricted housing,
housing that will be available only for firefighters, police officers,
schoolteachers, nurses. There may be some other professional
category in there, but deed restricted -- let me finish.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No, no. I just want to say, don't
just tell me. Tell the audience, because that's why I pulled it.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay. But you don't need to
interrupt me to tell me to talk to the audience. I need to talk to this
board, and the audience can hear me.
We have -- it would be deed-restricted housing for firefighters,
police officers, schoolteachers, nurses, and perhaps some other
category. They would also be deed restricted to provide some
housing for some seniors and for some veterans.
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Now, the next area that was -- that was incorrect is that the
people in the community haven't been advised. I've gone to
numerous meetings out there, and at these meetings I always talk
about having a family entertainment center, having a 12-hole golf
course, having a veteran’s nursing home, and having a workforce
housing component with that.
I will tell you that the people that I talk to in Golden Gate City
have had no problem with having some housing that is deed restricted
for essential services personnel. I don't want to put low-income
housing out there. I do want to put workforce housing that's deed
restricted. And if we don't move forward with this ITN, we have the
potential of losing that $10 million offer to subsidize that housing.
FGCU has approached the donor and said, hey, put this housing near
FGCU.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: In Lee County.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And so I asked this to be
placed on the agenda to send a message to the donor that this board is
very serious about moving forward with this and that we have a
location. But I have been very up front with everyone that I talk to in
Golden Gate City about these other types of amenities that would go
on this golf course property.
Now, at the end of the next 60 or 90 days, we're going to have a
couple options to look at. I think by the time we finish, we're going
to have a plan out there that will be very well accepted. I think it will
be something that that whole community can be proud of.
And so I'd like for this to go forward. Doesn't commit us to
anything, but it says to the donor, who are serious about having
deed-restricted workforce housing. We have the property to do that.
It will be good for that community. It will be good for the county.
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So that's the purpose. I just wanted to correct a couple things in
terms of information to the community and how this all got started,
because it never was planned to be an 18 -hole golf course.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And I'd like to add that it was
specific and exact. Right from that first meeting I had with the
Community Foundation, this is for essential services, period. The
percentage is -- determines the occupation that will be eligible for it.
They made no bones. This is not low income. This is essential
service.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. Let me be very clear. You
don't have to defend it. I just wanted to make sure everybody knew
what you were doing, because I don't think anybody knew.
When I asked friends in Golden Gate, they didn't seem to know
at all. They thought it was -- they didn't realize it was changed that
much. They thought it was still an entertainment center, because
that's what they were hearing us talk about. You know, and so I'm
just saying, I don't care what it's going to be, and I'll help you vote.
You know, I'll vote whatever you want. I just wanted it to be on the
record so people don't think we're sneaking around the backdoor,
okay?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And I understand that, and I
appreciate that. Actually, I'm glad that you brought this u p so we
could have this public comment. But even as recently as last night, I
was with the Golden Gate Civic Association talking about the
12-hole golf course and what we're trying to do out there with the
family entertainment system and the restaurant and all of those
things.
I have told the people that I've spoken to out there, it's not my
goal to cram anything down anybody's throat in Golden Gate City.
We're going to come up with some options. I think they're going to
be excellent options, and I'm going to present them to the community.
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As a matter of fact, I'd asked Dave Lykins to set up a community
meeting at the Pars for sometime in early February, because by that
time we'll have some meat on the bones here in terms of these
different things. And if the community somehow decides they don't
want it, then we don't do it.
But you've got to understand also, there's 26,000 people in
Golden Gate City. I think it's zoned for about 22 -- or 23,000. But if
you count garages, it's probably 26- or 27,000 people.
And, you know, gauging community support for something is
impossible. What you do gauge is some -- position of some of the
people that are active, but that's a tiny number of people.
As a matter fact, I had a funny conversation with Nick
Casalanguida. He said that when the issue of this Topgolf type of
facility was presented to the Planning Commission, you know,
everybody went berserko, and Nick said that his phone lit up. And I
said, well, how many calls did you get? And I think you said three.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Three, four.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And so, you know, you do
get public input, but it is a tiny, tiny fraction. So I'm trying to get the
word out as best I can.
We advertised -- there was a little bit of criticism that we don't
have our committee set up for this economic development zone that
we created. And somebody last night said, why don't you have that
set up?
And I said, we have advertised. No one has applied except for
Kaydee Tuff and, you know, one other person.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: But we only need two. Kaydee,
we're good.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: So you know -- get Bill Russell to
do it.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'm trying to get the word out.
Nothing is trying to be snuck by anybody. So I'm glad you brought it
up, and I'm glad we had this conversation.
I'll make a motion that we move forward with this.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Second.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And I want to -- as a matter of
comment, I want to say, I've -- the deed-restrictive aspect of this I'm a
huge proponent of. I'm done with lining private-sector pockets with
theoretical affordable housing. And this is a deed-restricted covenant
that will maintain -- it stay with the government.
And, again, I've said it before, the need that is existent today for
our support services and emergency folks and so on is different than
it was 10 years ago, and I'm sure it will be different 10 years from
now. And the government, which scares me a little bit, will have the
flexibility of making those adjustments to support that need.
So with that, it's been moved and seconded. Any other
discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: It's unanimous. Eileen, it's
unanimous.
Item #11O
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RESOLUTION 2019-249: PROHIBITING THE OPERATION OF
TRUCKS AND OTHER COMMERCIAL VEHICLES HAVING A
RATED LOAD-CARRYING CAPACITY IN EXCESS OF ONE (1)
TON FROM THROUGH MOVEMENTS ON MASSEY STREET,
TREE FARM ROAD, AND WOODCREST DRIVE – MOTION TO
APPROVE STAFF’S RECOMMENDATIONS, INSTALL SIGNS
AND MONITOR THE TRAFFIC – ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Item 11O was previously 16A5, and this is a
recommendation to approve a resolution prohibiting the operation of
trucks and other commercial vehicles having a rated load carrying
capacity in excess of one ton from through movements on Massey
Street, Tree Farm Road, and Woodcrest Drive, and the Chairman has
asked this to be brought forward to the regular agenda.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes. How you doing, Mr. Jay?
MR. AHMAD: Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman,
Commissioners. Jay Ahmad for the record. I'll be happy to answer
your questions, and I also have a presentation if you wish.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You know, I would -- without it
belaboring, I'd like a brief presentation so I hear from staff's
perspective as to what's, in fact, transpired. I know wha t's, in fact,
transpired, and the propositions may or may not be there, and I know
we have some folks from the public here that want to speak as well.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Terri hasn't had a break.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Oh, you know what -- why didn't
you tell me that 15 minutes ago? We're going to take a 10-minute --
is that enough, Terri?
THE COURT REPORTER: (Nods head.)
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Ten-minute court reporter's
break. We'll be back at 2:54.
(A brief recess was had from 2:44 p.m. to 2:57 p.m.)
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MR. OCHS: You have a live mic, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: There we go. How do you do,
Mr. Jay? Are you ready now?
MR. AHMAD: Doing great. Thank you, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay, great.
MR. AHMAD: I'm Jay Ahmad and, as requested, I'll do a very
brief presentation.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes.
MR. AHMAD: This item is prohibiting trucks on Massey
Street, Woodcrest, and Tree Farm.
Just a bit of background. The reason we're here is because many
of your constituents, Commissioner McDaniel, came to us, and they
were complaining about trucks on Massey Street, particularly.
This board has the authority, of course, to restrict traffic on any
roadway if it deems it unsafe or it -- it's within your jurisdictions.
The area in question, just to give you a little background,
Immokalee Road on the north side, Collier's here, Vanderbilt Beach
Road here, and of course, we have Vanderbilt Beach Road extension
that will take Vanderbilt another seven miles. And here's Woodcrest,
and this is Massey. Tree Farm is here.
This is a new roundabout. I call it Nick's project. The L-shaped
roadway that is intended to have interconnection between Immokalee
Road and Collier and, essentially, also down to Vanderbilt Beach
Road.
The L shape or the reverse L was built mostly with developer's
agreements and also with construction from the county and from
developers. Massey Street, an existing roadway, that now has a
connection to this roundabout, became a connection down to
Vanderbilt Beach Road. And the issue, as I mentioned , folks now
finding out that this is a shortcut that takes them to Vanderbilt Beach
Road and avoid this intersection, which is very busy. Essentially,
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that was really the intent of the L-shape project that Nick was
championing for years.
The result of roadway safety review, we've done -- as a result of
these complaints that we've gotten, we've done a traffic study. We
put counters. We studied this area, and we did find quite a bit of
truck traffic on this roadway bypassing the intersection.
So we are coming down here with a recommendation to restrict
trucks to one ton on those roadways. And separate from this item, as
the Board approved today under consent item, they approved
inclusion of Massey Street, part of Vanderbilt Beach Road as a
Change Order No. 3. It was actually envisioned in our request for
proposal for Vanderbilt Beach Road extension to have Massey Street
connecting, and maybe as a change order in the future when we
envision that, to have it included in Vanderbilt Beach Road
extension. So we did, and the Board approved it today.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: If you would just repeat that
again -- there was a lot going on up here -- with regard to the change
order for that.
MR. AHMAD: Yes, absolutely.
The Board this morning, under Consent Item 16A4, approved an
item called Change Order No. 3 to Vanderbilt Beach Road extension.
In that change order was Massey Street inclusion for that section
between Tree Farm to Vanderbilt Beach Road. So, essentially,
Massey Street now is part of Vanderbilt Beach Road extension and
the schedule for Vanderbilt Beach Road extension, which is -- we
hope to be in construction later in 2021.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Gotcha, okay.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Can I ask a question?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Absolutely.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: What kind of trucks?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Dump trucks.
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MR. AHMAD: All kinds of trucks, ma'am.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So like an F-150? Is that one
ton?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No, no, no.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Dump trucks.
MR. AHMAD: This actually gives you -- this presentation here
gives you -- on each section we counted what kind of trucks and the
percentage of trucks we found.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's commercial motor vehicular
traffic.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. Got it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Limiting it to one ton or less; my
F-350 can still go through legally. The dump trucks -- I mean, I --
we'll get to that in a moment, yes.
MR. AHMAD: Correct. Not only your F-150. Emergency
vehicles, county vehicles, garbage trucks, delivery vehicles. It's only
through traffic on these roadways.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And -- so with that, we have public
speakers. A very patient one.
MR. MILLER: Yes, Mr. Chair. One public speaker remaining.
Michelle Balon.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Michelle's very patient with us
today. She's not usually very patient with me.
MS. BALON: Now I know it's Nick's fault that this is
happening. I got my eye on you.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Yes, ma'am. I'm hiding.
MS. BALON: Show me those muscles.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: I'm cringing.
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MS. BALON: My name is Michelle Balon. I have been a
resident of Collier County since 1994 and an active volunteer for the
past 25 years.
A lot has changed since 1994. Back when I came, there was no
Publix at the Vineyards. There was -- and I remember Burt Saunders
had a lot darker head of hair. I used to work in the Castle on
Goodlette with Garrett Richter and Gary Tice as their marketing
director back in 1996. So it's been a long time.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I took my kids there.
MS. BALON: Since then, my husband have (sic) raised two
children here in Naples. They've gone through the whole school
system, and they're currently at Florida Gulf Coast University.
And I've been a resident -- sorry, I haven't spoken in a while.
It's a little nerve wracking. I've been a resident of Mockingbird since
2015 in District 5, obviously.
The reason we moved to Mockingbird after -- we were in
Pebblebrooke for 13 years, and there's a lot of road traffic and stuff
over there. We moved to Mockingbird because it's away from
Collier Boulevard, is on a private road with -- private road with no
road noise, and surrounded by golf courses. It's a really special
community, and I've served on the board there for almost two years.
We even have two beautiful bald eagles, if you wouldn't mind
sharing that. I don't know -- I'm sure they're named. They've been
there for a long time that have been nesting in the area since before I
moved there, and they currently have an active nest. I know they've
had fledglings for the last few years because I've called Florida Fish
and Wildlife just to make sure they're keeping tabs on them. And it
just happens to be right next to Woodcrest that the county opened
early last year.
Calusa Pines, who owns the property -- and they don't have it up
there anymore, but there's a large parcel that Calusa Pines owns
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where the nest is located -- was required to put a protective fence
around that area a few years back, and current regulations required
proposed projects to be a minimum of 660 feet away from the nest
without approval.
So here we are today. When you hear the saying, you can't stop
progress, believe it. I watched the tractor tear up all the natural areas
surrounding the nest two to three years ago, and it was a sad sight,
and now we have a very active roadway with dump trucks traveling
all day next to their nest. I have a couple photos of that.
And this is just a small sampling. But this is actually
Immokalee Road -- yeah, that's perfect. So as you can see, that's
Immokalee Road, and that's the left-turn lane right at The Quarry
entrance, and at that moment there were three dump trucks pulling
out there. They have no regard whatsoever for people who are
driving small vehicles on the roadway.
Massey Street has always been a private road. It was a travel
road before -- oh, I've got a couple more pictures if you just want to
share them.
It was a gravel road before DR Horton paved it about five to six
years ago to provide access to Mockingbird Crossing. As we -- and
we as homeowners were told by DR Horton that once construction of
our community was completed, we would not be able to use Massey
Street any longer and would have to take a right turn out of
Mockingbird and travel down Tree Farm to Collier Boulevard. I
don't know if you recall any of these agreements with DR Horton.
This was because Massey is a private road, DR Horton's access was
limited to the duration of construction. It was even put in our
contracts.
For those of you who haven't been on Massey, it's a very narrow
street just south of Tree Farm with no curbs, very rough street edges,
no sidewalks, and no streetlights.
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And we, as residents of Mockingbird, have dealt with rough
road edges and potholes until Tree Farm Road and Woodcrest Drive
opened. Now there are so many dump trucks and vehicles using
Woodcrest and Massey as a cut-through for Immokalee to Vanderbilt
park that it's really getting unbearable. And as soon as a light goes in
at The Quarry, I can't even imagine what the traffic's going to be on
those small roadways.
The road's barely wide enough to accommodate two cars in
many areas of Massey, but the dump trucks make it dangerous.
People speed down Massey Street 45, 50 miles an hour without
second guessing it, and many cars come close to getting run off the
roadway. I know several residents that have had tire damage and
stuff from going off of the curbs, not to mention we have people who
walk and bike on Massey Street and school buses who pick up
students from K through 12.
There are driveways and mailboxes all along Massey that have
already seen the negative effect of the increased traffic and, like I had
mentioned, once the light goes in at The Quarry, it will get worse.
I and other people in my community and other areas have been
expressing our concerns to Chairman McDaniel and county staff for
some time. I respectfully request that the county prohibit dump
trucks and other large construction vehicles from using Massey and
install -- if you wouldn't mind -- "private road, no through traffic"
signs on Massey, and also it would help if there were speed limits
that were being forced.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you, Michelle.
MS. BALON: The county doesn't plan on taking this roadway
over anytime in the near future, so something's got to be done to
control the traffic on Massey Street. I understand the L, but that's not
what people are doing.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Got it.
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MS. BALON: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you very much. I appreciate
your patience in waiting today. She came here this morning and
signed up to speak on the consent, and then we moved her to this
time slot.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I just would like to say a couple of
things. I mean, I live on a private road, and I'd be -- did you do that
on purpose? He shut my mic off. I was in the process -- it was a
profound statement that was going to come out of me.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And you forgot.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And it's left me.
No. I live on a private road. Massey Street is a private road.
Collier County opened up private road Massey Street when the
roundabout at Mockingbird and Treeline (sic) went in. And we don't
have provisions in place. Now, we did adopt today the change order
to allow for Massey's improvements to come in along with the
Vanderbilt Beach construction that's coming forward, but that's not
going to be done for at least three, maybe four years.
MR. AHMAD: 2021.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, the start.
MR. AHMAD: Start construction.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right. And so -- I'm not being --
I'm not being aggressive by any stretch.
What I'm going to do today and what I'm going to ask for an
approval for this resolution to install these signs and immediate
enforcement. I literally, knowing this agenda item was c oming up,
passed five dump trucks coming and going on Treeline and Massey
today. Massey is an unlined, unsidewalked, little two-lane -- barely
two-lane road. Two vehicles can barely pass safely on it.
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If the circumstances don't improve, I want to install a gate south of
Mockingbird to block off Massey for and until the improvements to
that road are, in fact, done.
(Applause.)
MS. BALON: Sorry. I'm alone.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I wanted to do that. Staff -- this is
an incremental process. Staff -- we have the right to take over a
private road, but we don't have the right to endanger people
knowingly. And we -- it is happening. It's happening right now.
Folks have found this cut-through with the developments that are
going in on 951. There's landscape businesses that are over there.
That's a rural fringe mixed-use district. A lot of that stuff off of
Massey, those -- "stuff." Those lands are agriculturally zoned. There
are businesses over -- this morning when I came through, four dump
trucks and a loaded one-ton pulling a fifth wheel loaded with grass,
mulch. Heavy-duty truck coming out of one of the side streets onto
Massey.
And if that gate were put in at the south of Mockingbird, it
would still allow for the folks in Mockingbird to utilize t he
roundabout north and south, but we would protect the private road
south on Massey itself, specifically, and those residents for and until
we -- because I know we have an agreement. I've received
compliments from Vanderbilt Country Club with the right -of-way
acquisition, and we've mitigated the theoretical -- or theoretical. The
potential negative impacts for the residents of Vanderbilt Country
Club, but -- and I'm okay for the minute as long as we have strict
enforcement, like, soon, as soon as those signs go up. How long will
it take?
MR. AHMAD: We are planning -- even before this condition
that you're adding, to have these signs before the 13th of this month,
which is next Friday.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. So the signs are going to go
up.
MR. AHMAD: That's the plan. We're going to do --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And then we'll jump on the
enforcement, and then -- and I'm going to watch. I just wanted -- I
want to be very, very clear, because, again, I come through here, and
I go through on a regular basis, but I'm going to request -- I have
already requested a temporary gate, and this is what Jay came back to
me. Well, sir, let's try this first. And I think that will start the
process.
The "no through traffic," it's not going to work. Truth, Michelle.
I mean, we can't prohibit pedestrian traffic, which is not commercial
motor vehicular vehicles from traveling on our roads. Even on a
private road. But the fact that the county opened that up, a private
road, and now it's being utilized by the gener al public without
necessary improvements is appalling to me.
MR. AHMAD: Thank you for the phase steps. I agree that
there is a problem with trucks today. And just to let you know, we
follow these trucks, the origins of them where they originated. They
come from a quarry near Ave Maria, and they go to Gray Hawk.
They're under construction with houses. So most -- and we let the
folks in Gray Hawk know, and hopefully they -- the folks now on
these street see the difference. The majority of those trucks
disappeared. They went to Collier. But there still is a problem.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: They're going to come and go, Jay.
And the reality is is the dump trucks are going to follow the path of
least resistance. We all know that I used to operate quarries and dealt
with dump trucks and the disposition on a regular basis. And they
have a right to be on our roads. You can drive your dump truck to
the grocery store and get your groceries if you want to. So there's --
you know, the management of them is a trick in and of itself.
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But the reality of this entire process is Massey was a dead-end
private road that got accessed when Mockingbird got put in and --
with the roundabout. And then, in turn, it allowed for public access.
Those dump trucks could drive on Massey before, but it was off of
Vanderbilt to wherever they were going and back out on Massey, but
now it's a cut-through, so...
And as Michelle stated, we're not going to wait for that light. I
mean, if you just look at those traffic counts -- and we certainly don't
have the traffic counts from Massey when it was a one-way private
street before they opened up Mockingbird. But I'll bet you those
traffic counts were a tenth of the 1,200 virtually -- just local traffic.
The folks that lived up there were the ones that were using it.
So we're going to incrementally watch this and see if things
improve and, if not, I've already talked to facilities and figured out a
way for a temporary gate to go in. I know --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: How long is that street?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: About a mile. Isn't it about a mile?
MS. BALON: Yes.
MR. AHMAD: It's a mile to Tree Farm and another mile to
Immokalee. So a total of about two miles of a distance.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I know, but I'll put barricades up or
something.
MR. AHMAD: Massey is a mile.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Massey Street's about a mile.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: There are people that would love to
block their street off, too, that are inundated with huge amounts of
truck traffic.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Donna. Donna Street.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right. Yes. But those are public
roads. This was a private road that the public accessed and didn't
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compensate -- provide for necessary improvements or anything along
those lines. Again, Lakewood Boulevard is a public road.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No, not Lakewood Boulevard. You're
not going to make that private or anything.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Oh, no, no, no.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, okay.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: By no means. But it's a public
road.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah, right.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And so dump trucks have the
right --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I wasn't talking about Lakewood.
Oh, yeah. I wasn't even getting close to that. I wouldn't think of that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I gotcha. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you, anyway, for being
protective over me, but that wasn't on my mind.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. So to date, I'm going to
make a motion that we approve the recommendation to put these
signs up and monitor it accordingly.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Second.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Third.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
Thank you, Michelle, for your patience.
MR. AHMAD: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And, Jay, thank you. I'm his
biggest fan.
Item #14B1
SECOND AMENDMENT TO AGREEMENT #19-7509 BETWEEN
CULTURAL PLANNING GROUP, LLC AND COLLIER
COUNTY TO INCREASE CONSULTING FEES AND
REIMBURSABLE EXPENSES IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO
EXCEED $45,950 FOR COMPLETION OF A PUBLIC ARTS
MASTER PLAN FOR THE BAYSHORE GATEWAY TRIANGLE
COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA – APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, we move to your Community
Redevelopment Agency. Item 14B1 is a recommendation to approve
the second amendment to the agreement between Cultural Planning
Group, LLC, and Collier County to increase consulting fees and
reimbursable expenses in an amount not to exceed $45,950 for
completion of a Public Arts Master Plan for the Bayshore/Gateway
Triangle Community Redevelopment Area.
Deborah Forester, your CRA Director, will make a brief
presentation if you'd like it.
MS. FORESTER: Good afternoon. For the record, Deborah
Forester, CRA Director.
Today we are asking you for an amendment to move forward
with the development of a Public Arts Master Plan for the
Bayshore/Gateway CRA. As you'll remember in October when we
brought forward the report on murals in the county, we mentioned
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that the CRA redevelopment plan that was updated in April does
provide a Public Arts Master Plan in their short-term noncapital
projects.
We know that there's a great deal of public interest in the
community to move forward with murals, to reactivate that program
along with other public arts. We think that by doing this plan here
for Bayshore, it would serve as a template for other areas throughout
the county that could use this once this one is completed.
We also believe that there are some economies of scale by
moving forward now. We would be able to piggyback on the travel
that Cultural Planning Group will be doing as they present the final
plans for the overall countywide plan.
Some of the deliverables that will be received as an actual draft
public arts ordinance that will be coming back to you, of course, for
adoption. It will talk about maintenance, enforcement, how you
select artists, how you select locations of art, and also a whole
step-by-step process that -- once we identified a site, how we would
go through selection through implementation and further
maintenance.
We also put in the deliverables that there'll be two presentations
to the Board of County Commissioners. The first one, when a draft
plan is developed, and then take your input from there, and then when
they come back with the final plan.
And I'm open for any questions that you may have.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Just one quick question. The
increase in the price is strictly for the Bayshore area? Nothing -- no
other --
MS. FORESTER: That's right.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: -- increase.
MS. FORESTER: This would be focused just on the
Bayshore/Gateway area.
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MR. OCHS: And funded by the CRA.
MS. FORESTER: And funded by the CRA.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Well, I'm glad you asked,
because I would like to see this countywide. I think Immokalee is a
prime place for it. There are places -- there are areas that now are
claiming themselves as art districts. I just think it would be -- I'm not
asking for a rigid program, but I think it would be very important to
have a public arts policy countywide that would be able -- we would
be able to reference as the popularity of public arts comes to us.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And, you know, I think -- I think
that that's -- this is a good first step to go to that in the event that we
do, in fact, choose to do that as a community. This is a pilot program
for the Bayshore area, gateway area. And if, in fact, th is proves
fruitful, this can be a basis for us to make those determinations going
forward.
In all sincerity, I've been resistant to expending CRA dollars in
regard to these things just because of the lack of infrastructure in
Collier County, per se, predominantly. I've got kids walking in the
ditch going to school, and we can't build a sidewalk.
And I've been resistant to spending money on murals and art
districts and so on and so forth when I've got -- when I've got such a
lack of infrastructure for the community at large.
So this is a -- I mean, the Bayshore area's been designated
predominantly as an arts district, and I think it will be a benefit to the
community. And if, in fact, the pilot, as been proposed, it proves to
be fruitful, then we can take it to a county level as time goes on.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I think -- and I'm not -- it sounds
like I'm arguing; I'm not.
What will probably happen, unless we lift the mural issue in the
Bayshore once this public arts plan is done, unless we say, okay,
Bayshore, you can do your murals, but no one else can do their
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murals, you're going to be inundated with things you probably don't
want to need be inundated with, because we won't have any control,
and then the challenge we've got is when is a mural, a mural? When
is a mural an advertising of a business? And Bayshore's gone
through that.
So, you know, I don't know what the cost would be, and I'm not
even suggesting that the CRA in Immokalee pay for this, because I
know the challenges you have up there. But I think it does provide
an economic boom. It does provide interest in the county, and people
want to go see these murals and, oh, my gosh, the talent in
Immokalee is phenomenal.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes, it is.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I mean -- and just murals of
tiles, I've seen what they could do, and these children in that
walkover from the school.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Bingo.
So I just -- I'm -- again, this comes from experience. I just -- I
would -- I would like to see, perhaps, even if we could see what the
cost would be if we did it countywide. Not slowing down at all what
Bayshore's doing. I'm not suggesting that, but broadening the scope
of the consultants.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: There are people that are --
Commissioner Solis.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I answered my own question here a
minute ago. But, I mean, I don't have any objection to, you know,
getting an estimate or anything from the consultants to say, what
would it cost to do this on a countywide basis? But I think I'd like
to -- before we start down that road I would like to see what the
results of the assessment is and where -- you know, what would it --
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what's it going to look like and all that. But I don't have any
objection to getting an estimate.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: All right. Good.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. I agree with that, and I think
that this is a good starting point.
We've long dedicated that area or, rather, suggested that that
area is an arts district. We went up to Tallahassee and got it
approved as an arts district. It's been -- they've been wanting to
identify with the arts. We've needed to do that. And so this is a first
step.
And I would think that then, if this step goes as nicely as
everybody is hoping it will, it could spread. If it doesn't go quite as
well and you get some hiccups, you can figure out how to solve those
hiccups before, then you start to introduce it to the county. But once
you're ready to introduce it, you'll have that background say, well,
we've already done it here and it can be handled further.
I think art in a community in itself does so much to liven up a
community and maybe even make it look happy or colorful or
whatever it is. And I'm excited to just see it moving forward. I like
the baby step in the beginning, you know, test the waters first, and
then go -- and learn from what you just did and do better.
So I will make a motion to approve.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Second.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'll let you go.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded.
And, again, I'm all for asking for the entire county thing. I think
that's a prudent thing for us to do. It's just the original proposal, my
understanding, was around 100-, and that was for the whole county.
MS. FORESTER: For the strategic arts plan that they're
currently working on, yes.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct. And we're increasing that
by 45,000 only for the Bayshore district.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Correct. Public arts. That's
different.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: This is separate and apart from --
MS. FORESTER: This will focus just on the Public Arts Master
Plan for the Bayshore/Gateway. So that strategic plan will be coming
to you, as I understand it, in January. They're going to be doing a
presentation to the community to get input on a draft plan, it will be
presented to the TDC in February for their input, and then it will be
coming to the Board in March or early April. So this will be running
on sort of the same track, but we'll be able to take all the information
that's been gathered for the overall countywide strategic plan as part
of this as we're moving towards the public art plan for
Bayshore/Gateway.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Very good.
MR. OCHS: And you're right, sir, it's an amendment to that
larger contract.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right, but for a specific area paid
for out of the Bayshore CRA.
MR. OCHS: Specific to Bayshore, yes. Correct.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So -- gotcha.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Let me ask one question, if I can. I
know we've got the motion on the floor. Now, say, somebody wants
to be a part of it. Do they have to go to get an approval of wanting to
do it, how big it's going to be in, what the content is?
MS. FORESTER: Yes. That will be set up in the overall
framework of the master plan.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Can we put up a scope of service
so everyone understands what a public arts program will do?
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MS. FORESTER: So here are some deliverables that you'll be
getting. It will be a public arts ordinance that will talk about
maintenance responsibility, enforcement if a mural gets put up or
another piece of art that gets put up that does not correspond with an
existing sketch that was presented as being approved. It will also talk
about art acquisition. So if the CRA or a developer wanted to
purchase and donate a piece of art into that district, what are those
guidelines? How do you select an artist and how do you select the
locations for those types of artists?
As you may know, we have a number of larger development s
that will be coming into this area, and by having a Public Arts Master
Plan already adopted, we would be able to help implement some of
those goals when development comes forward.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Another question. Say, for
instance, you're going to introduce a piece of art. Now, this is
personal here, okay. Introduce a piece of art. Oh, happens to be
maybe a statue. It happens to be in the middle of a road, and you're
moving forward with it, do you have to get permission to do that,
then?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: You'd have to -- I think -- if it
was -- if it was countywide, there would probably be a board or a
group that would review everything to make sure everything was
okay. Number one, the insurance, the way it's -- where it's
positioned, making, you know, just -- it's a checklist. Content.
I'll just digress for a minute. My first experience with public art
was there was an artist in Naples, Italy, who decided that he wanted
to donate his art to put in a public place. The piece of art he wanted
to donate was a volcano. I am not kidding you. And he wanted to
put it in Cambier Park, and that is why we decided to have a public
arts -- and I'm -- the door will open. You will be shocked at what
comes your way. And without that framework by which you have
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guiding of what you -- you know, what our principles are, what we
want in Collier County, you're kind of -- it's open season.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well, I have to admit upfront now
that we're going to open a piece of public art in February, but you
guys all know that already.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: That's fine.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And I think everybody is going to
be -- I hope everybody will be attending it, and --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And you're the first, you know,
and --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: That's great.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No, I'm not the first. The artist is
the one that's going to do it. I just happen to be a part of a team, you
know. But I think it's exciting, but it will be interesting to see -- I
asked that question purposely, because maybe there are other people
who will say, oh, we could do this, too, but now they'll have a
clearing ground, right? But it won't cost them any more money to go
through this clearinghouse to --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No. But what happens is is that
in our today's world, everyone's an artist. So you might have art
that's donated to you for a public place, not have the public place to
put it in, and maybe not want to put the volcano in the park, so to
speak. That's a true story.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'm glad you told that one.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So to avoid volcanos in parks,
it's a good idea to have a public arts plan.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, they have a plan, and with a
plan, we have a framework within which to operate.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Well, the strategic arts plan is
separate than a public arts plan, just to let you know. It's art, but it's a
different animal.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well, I'm going to have to have a
list of instructions, because I don't understand all of that. But then I
don't have any artistic ability whatsoever.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: You put a sculpture up. That's --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well, I didn't do anything. I'm just
helping with that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So we're going to ask that we get a
quote from the consultant for expansion of the entire county, I think.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes, please.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes, please. And we're going to --
it's been moved and seconded that we approve the change order to
increase the fee up $45,960 from the original price. It's been moved
and seconded. Any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: It's going to be exciting.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Very exciting.
Item #15
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STAFF AND COMMISSION GENERAL COMMUNICATIONS
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, I believe that takes us to Item 15,
staff and commission general communications.
A couple of quick items, Commissioners. We followed up with
your aides during the day here and found that January 21st seems to
be an open date on everyone's calendar, if you'd like to set that
Mr. Chairman at 9 a.m. for the workshop that you'd like to have to
discuss the transportation impacts of the Rivergrass.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: My diligent aide already has it on
my calendar.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah, mine, too.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Done.
MR. OCHS: So we'll lock that down.
C OMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Mr. Chairman, in reference to
the workshop, we talked about the transportation plan but also some
education on what we are absolutely committed to doing in terms of
the RSLA (sic) and just some background for us and what we can and
cannot do.
MR. OCHS: Got it.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And maybe along with that,
what we've done in Collier County with developer commitments.
What the -- how has it worked?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Some history?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes, please. With -- not
necessarily with the RLSA, but just generally --
MR. CASALANGUIDA: General history.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: -- how do we do business when
a big development comes in? That would be very helpful.
MR. OCHS: Okay.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I don't know that. I'm sure you
do, but I don't know that.
MR. OCHS: All right. Well, thank you for that. We'll lock that
date down.
The second item is that you-all received, as you know, a letter
last week from Mr. Strain resigning his position as your Hearing
Examiner effective January 31st of next year.
So the County Attorney and I wanted to get started on a
replacement effort, wanted to get your input and endorsement on how
you'd like to proceed.
In discussing it with Mr. Klatzkow, we thought that it might be
most efficient to kind of model your next hearing examiner with the
contract you already have with your magistrate for your code
enforcement hearing. It's an hourly rate, an independent contractor
reporting still, you know, to the Board as an independent contractor
as opposed to a full-time employee with the fully-burdened cost of
that. You could have one, you could have multiple hearing
examiners. However you'd like us to solicit, we're happy to do that.
But we're just looking for some input so we're ready once Mr. Strain
departs.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Solis.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I would say I agree with that. I
think that we've got other hearing officers, and that works well. And
it keeps the cost down for the taxpayers, and it's efficient.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I like the idea. Modeling it off
the -- after the magistrate, having that flexibility. I'm certainly sorry
to see Mr. Strain go away -- or no longer serve as our Hearing
Examiner, but I think that that provides us with the most amount of
flexibility and doesn't carry along the expense. He was an employee.
MR. OCHS: Yes.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: But -- and I understand -- I would
presume one of the -- he is -- the hearing examiners, in case there's
more, will still continue to be the employees of the Board.
MR. OCHS: Yes, they contract with the Board directly.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Contract.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Contract employees, similar -- with
similar -- with all of the same powers and authorities that Mark had
but it would be independent, but they will report to the Board as well.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: No. It's a little different than that.
Your magistrate is an hourly -- there's a hourly contract with the
magistrate. So it would be with a -- let's say Mr. Anderson or Mr.
Pires or whoever applied for this that came in, you'd have an hourly
rate, and they would submit their hours, but they wouldn't -- you
would get -- you wouldn't get an annual review, because unless there
were complaints, they would just provide their hours, and they would
bill against those hours per the rate.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: One of the -- one of my perceived
benefits of the arrangement with Mr. Strain was he's not an employee
of the County Attorney or the County Manager. He was an employee
of the Board, and as long as that is the same premise, then I'm okay
with that. I mean, I like that thought process.
MR. OCHS: It would -- I guess it would be more correctly
stated it would be an independent contractor of the Board.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: So he would do our research for us,
too, if we had things that, you know, we were wondering about and
we didn't know how to go about researching it. He was probably --
he did research for all of us.
MR. OCHS: I would imagine some of that would revert back to
the staff or, if you wanted to use a hearing examiner for that, we
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could write that into the ultimate agreement, and they could, you
know, charge you for that research.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'd like to have a discussion about
that, because the pros and cons of using the Hearing Examiner in that
way, because of the role that the Hearing Examiner is supposed to
have of being -- sitting like a judge.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I think that's a discussion that we
should have, and I've been concerned about that.
So if we're going this route, I'd like to have a discussion as to
what the scope of the services that this new hearing examiner wo uld
be providing.
MR. KLATZKOW: We have a hearing examiner ordinance.
Those are the scope of duties.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay.
MR. KLATZKOW: We could pare it down. Why don't I come
back, sir, at the next meeting. I understand what you're looking at.
You want more of a judge role than --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yeah.
MR. KLATZKOW: -- than what we had with Mark, was -- he
would consult with the Board and what have you.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right.
MR. KLATZKOW: So let me come back at the next meeting.
In the meantime, we need -- we do need to solicit for the position. So
while I'm doing that, if the County Manager could be soliciting for
the position, we could probably have everything back to you in
January.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: That's fine with me.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Solis, I'd like, if you
would, please, work with the County Attorney --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Sure.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: -- because you -- I concurred with
most of what you were suggesting when we were having discussions
about the other contract and those limitations. I'd like to see them --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'd be glad to.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: -- ratified as well. Do you have
another comment, or was your light from before?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, I was still on that subject. Are
we going down the --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Not yet. We aren't going there yet,
no. Are you clear on you're going to solicit for the job, it's going to
be an independent contractor -- independent contractor to the Board,
and Commissioner Solis and the County Attorney are going to work
on the scope of duties.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Well, I'd like to see what the
scope is. If you do that, I have no problem with that, but I want to
see what the scope is, and I want to see how it's being changed.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, of course. But Commissioner
Solis is going to take the lead on that and bring it back to us in
January. We're not approving anything today.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No.
MR. OCHS: So we'll bring the scope back for approval at
your -- hopefully your first meeting on the 14th of January.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Perfect.
MR. OCHS: Very good.
The only other thing I have is to wish each of you and Madam
Clerk a Merry Christmas and a very happy and prosperous new year.
Enjoy.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you, sir.
MR. OCHS: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: County Attorney?
MR. KLATZKOW: Nothing.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Madam Clerk, how are you?
THE CLERK: Fine. How are you?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Doing well, thank you.
THE CLERK: And I want to thank you for getting us out of
here at, like, 3:40. It was amazing. And I do realize that half the
agenda got moved, but we'll be set up for January. But I just wanted
to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Outstanding. Thank you.
THE CLERK: Oh, and a Happy New Year. We won't be back
until after new-year.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: When is your soirée?
THE CLERK: Friday. Yes, Friday. Please join us. Every year
Dwight created it, and we --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: What time?
THE CLERK: Oh, 11:00 to 2:00, I think; 11:30 to 2:00. I will
send you a reminder email, how about that. They just tell me go
down there. So I will send you a reminder email. But, yes, please
visit. There will be a lot of staff and everyone there. It's a good
opportunity to mix and mingle.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. 12:00 to 2:00.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: 11:00 to 2:00.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: 11:00 to 2:00.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I would just like to wish everybody
a Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy New Year. I would like
to congratulate our Chair on running some just flawlessly smooth
meetings, although I will point out that he did preside over the three
longest meetings, I think, in Collier County history.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Oh, no. Oh, no. No, no. Not
even close.
MR. OCHS: Not close?
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: No?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Not even close. There were
two-day meetings back in the old days.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Oh, back in the old days.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Not the real old days, but just
before the three of us got here.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Before electricity. That's why it
had to go over.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Before electricity. Because when
the sun went down --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: No, I'm just joking, really. You did
a great job as the Chairman, and you had some really tough meetings
to preside over, so congratulations on a job well done.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: You missed the longest one
when you were in that bar in Ireland.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you, sir. I appreciate that.
That was very nice, very nice.
Commissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. I could tell you about
upcoming events, but I don't think I'm going to get into that. I'm
going to just say Merry Christmas to everybody, and maybe have --
have a very Happy New Year. Hug your family, let them know how
much you care, because sometimes we forget to do that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I'll skip to you, Commissioner
Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Well, I want to wish
everybody, including our staff, Happy Holidays. Everybody be safe.
And I hope everything goes well.
I do want to congratulate the Board and thank the Board. I think
2019 has been a phenomenal year. We had the mental-health issue,
we've got Golden Gate Golf Course moving along in a really positive
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way, we've got the Corkscrew Park that's going to have a ground --
opening here pretty soon. We've done some marvelous work on
affordable housing/workforce housing.
I think if you look back at 2019, I think it's been a great year,
and it's because of the leadership of this -- of the entire County
Commission. So I just want to thank you for that, and it's been a
pleasure serving this year with you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: As well. As well.
Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Well, I do have a couple of
housekeeping things.
There seems to be a big interest in doing another water forum to
understand 2020. It will be 2020, what we're doing about algae and
red tide. And, specifically, it would be nice to do it when the folks
are here that live on the coast.
So I'd like to know if the County Commission would like to get
involved in it. If not, I will do it. But I think a town hall on water
issues is on everybody's mind that live next to the coast. And the
reason I know that is because all you have to do is go down to the
coast, and you start coughing because red tide is there.
So is that something of interest of my colleagues, or shall I just
do it -- and that's going to change a lot of things in terms of where we
do it, how we do it. I thought we would bring in pretty much the
speakers we brought in before, which is Mote Marina, FGCU, and
perhaps a couple of other scientists, and really look at it from a clear
scientific background.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: From talking about the coast --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- are you talking about the coast as
far as Everglades City and Goodland and Isles of Capri and Marco
Island --
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Marco Island.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- too? Because then will Mote
Marine also be addressing those areas? I would think that it would be
great if we tackled more than just in the city.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Oh, no. I was thinking -- I was
going all the way along the coastline. I was going up to the Lee
County boundary south and into Marco and Goodland, and just to
talk about -- I mean, there's still a lot of misinformation out there that
I think could be handled in a scientific way.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: If you're --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Go ahead.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: If you're talking about a --
kind of a workshop on water issues, I don't think any of us would
have any objection to scheduling something like that.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I think it's -- I think -- and
especially if it's science based.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Oh, no. It's science.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Because of the misnomers that are
flying around and such. I think it would behoove us to do that and do
it as a community, because then we involve all of our coas tal
communities.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah. And we could do it late in
the afternoon, like a 4:00, 5:00, that kind of a framework where there
would be a panel, and it would be open to the public to ask questions
on it, and have it televised so we've got some factual science-based
information out there.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Sure. I think it's a good idea. I'll
expect you to have that all detailed out and brought back to us in our
first meeting in January so that we can go forth and persevere.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. You got it. Is that --
everybody okay with that?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yeah. We're all nodding positively.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay, good.
All right. And then -- this is sort of for the stockings, right? I'd
like this -- I'd like the Board and certainly the staff to argue against it,
but I'd like to reduce the speeds in residential areas from 30 miles an
hour to 25. That's the first one, and then -- and I'd like to have a
presentation to see the pros and cons of it, because I know that there's
a lot of concern on the county --
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: -- about it, but in the city it's
always 25 miles an hour. And, frankly, we've got some streets that
probably could do with it. So that's a first request, to ha ve that as an
agenda item.
And then I'd also like to have a presentation on the soon-to-be
stoplight at the intersection of Livingston Road and Marbella Lakes
to understand -- Lakes Drive to understand how -- why you could not
move the same technology that's in the City of Naples -- and this
comes from residents in the county. The City of Naples, I think it's at
26th or 24th.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Twenty-sixth.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: -- twenty-sixth -- goes 41, and
there's three lanes, and one lane sto ps, and there's a stoplight, why
that couldn't be implemented at this intersection.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: It can. It's just not recommended by
your traffic engineer.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And just -- can we just have a
presentation why not?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And, you know -- I guess he's
not here. Okay.
And I think, unless Sherry runs out here and says you forgot
something, that's it except to wish everyone a wonderful and joyful
holiday season and all the best to everyone in the new-year.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you. Same to you.
I have one issue. It came to my attention, and it's -- Jamie's going to
come to the podium and make a brief statement.
But vis-a-vis the WERP program, the Western Everglades
Restoration Program, the federal government has come forward and
made propositions to fund money towards the hunting camps that are
negative -- potentially negatively impacted by the elevation of water
and the rehydration efforts that are coming out of the --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Picayune Strand?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Pardon? The Picayune, some in the
forest, wherever the WERP program is going to enhance rehydration
efforts. And they're offering compensation to camp owners. And the
feds are okay with it, the state's okay with it, but the Collier County
popped into the mix with regard to having to meet new -- you know,
new building codes and those sort of things. And I'd like -- Jamie
and I have had brief conversations, I think -- and I spoke with Nick a
little bit about it last night.
But I'd like to develop some kind of an exemption process for --
there's not very many of them, number one. Number two, they're
hunting camps, and I don't want to put people in a position of
extraordinary expense and burden when the federal government's
paying them to elevate their camps and get in a pickle from a
permitting standpoint, so...
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Let me just ask what you just
meant. Elevate -- you have your hunting camp, which is bare ground,
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and you have maybe a little shack or something on it, and they're
saying you have to elevate your ground?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No, no, no. They're elevating --
putting the camp up on stilts. Picking your shack, as you've said,
picking it up and putting it on stilts five, six feet so that it's not
negatively impacted when these rehydration efforts, in fact, transpire.
A portion -- and it's important to understand that the WERP
rehydration program is not to flood these areas, but it's to raise and
elevate the subsurface water tables which, in turn, will elevate
surficial water tables when the rainy season, in fact, comes along.
And so the federal government's offering money to these camp
owners, and I just -- I want to -- I would like to put in an exemption
process so that those folks aren't negatively impacted by that move.
Mr. French, go.
MR. FRENCH: Good afternoon. For the record, Jamie French,
your Deputy Department head for Growth Management.
Commissioners, hunting cabins that existed prior to January 1st,
2011, by the latest edition of Florida Building Code, so long as
they're under 1,000 square feet and they're only used for hunting,
recreational uses, they're not rented, they're not hooked to any type of
central power or central plumbing, and they're not an occupancy,
they're already exempt from the Florida Building Code.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay.
MR. FRENCH: So they're used -- that's their primary purposes,
for recreational use. In other words, they can't be -- spend the night
there, perhaps, a couple days, a week, bu t they're really not a primary
residence, and the State of Florida's already recognized that.
Unfortunately, though, from the FEMA perspective in the
floodplain, that area's considered a Proximate A, so it means that
FEMA has not determined a proper base flood elevation. So under a
Proximate A what the federal government looks at is they typically
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say 3-foot above grade. So most of the camps out there are already
3-foot above grade. Many of them have stairs up. They don't really
sit on the ground because they would have already been flooding
before. But in the event that they wanted to lift them and so long as
they're under the thousand square feet, we don't permit these guys
anyway because the State of Florida doesn't allow us to. And any
changes to your building code, by the way, is at the state level.
Collier County does not have a building code; no community really
does. We follow the state building code. And any exemption or any
changes to that must be approved by the State of Florida.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. Very good. Thank you very
much.
If you give me a brief statement in that regard so I can pass it on
to these folks, that would be perfect, and I'm sure it will help quell
some of the concerns that have arisen.
MR. FRENCH: I'll provide the section right out of the code, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Perfect. Thank you, sir.
And as Commissioner Saunders already mentioned, we have a
pretty exciting event coming up on December 16th, and I've asked
Sue to invite you all if you are interested. The ribbon cutting and
groundbreaking ceremony for the long-awaited Big Corkscrew
Regional -- Big Corkscrew Island Regional Park is going to happen
December 16th at 10:00 is what my calendar says. So I would like to
extend to all three of you that are out there watching -- my mother's
watching. She won't be here. But I would like to extend an invite.
And with that, also wish you-all a Merry Christmas and a Happy
New Year. We are done.
*****
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**** Commissioner Taylor moved, seconded by Commissioner Solis
and carried that the following items under the Consent and Summary
Agendas be approved and/or adopted ****
Item #16A1
AN ADOPT-A-ROAD PROGRAM AGREEMENT FOR THE
ROADWAY SEGMENT OF COLLIER BOULEVARD (FROM
VANDERBILT BEACH ROAD NORTH FOR 1 MILE) WITH
TWO (2) RECOGNITION SIGNS AND TWO (2) ADOPT-A-
ROAD LOGO SIGNS FOR A TOTAL COST OF $200 WITH THE
VOLUNTEER GROUP, UC BREAKING NEWS LLC. – FOR THE
REMOVAL OF ROADSIDE LITTER PROVIDING SAFE AND
CLEAN ROADS
Item #16A2
AN ADOPT-A-ROAD PROGRAM AGREEMENT FOR THE
ROADWAY SEGMENT OF IMMOKALEE ROAD FROM
STRAND BOULEVARD TO OLDE CYPRESS BOULEVARD
WITH TWO (2) RECOGNITION SIGNS AND TWO (2) ADOPT-
A-ROAD LOGO SIGNS FOR A TOTAL COST OF $200 WITH
THE VOLUNTEER GROUP, JOSEPH P. MUNI III, P.A. – FOR
THE REMOVAL OF ROADSIDE LITTER PROVIDING SAFE
AND CLEAN ROADS
Item #16A3
UPHOLD ORDINANCE 2019-16 ALLOWING FOR THE USE OF
GOLF CARTS UPON DESIGNATED PUBLIC ROADS AND
STREETS ON CHOKOLOSKEE ISLAND AND PLANTATION
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ISLAND, INCLUDING THE PROHIBITION OF GOLF CARTS
ON SECTIONS OF PLANTATION PARKWAY AND
CHOKOLOSKEE PARKWAY
Item #16A4
CHANGE ORDER NO. 3 TO AGREEMENT NO. 06-4000
BETWEEN COLLIER COUNTY AND JACOBS ENGINEERING
GROUP, INC. (FORMERLY CH2M HILL) IN THE AMOUNT OF
$885,345.00, FOR THE DESIGN OF THE REVISED ALIGNMENT
OF VANDERBILT BEACH ROAD EXTENSION FROM
COLLIER BOULEVARD TO 16TH STREET NE, AND THE
DESIGN OF MASSEY STREET FROM VANDERBILT BEACH
ROAD TO TREE FARM ROAD (PROJECT NO. 60168) –
PROVIDING A ROADWAY BUILT TO COUNTY STANDARDS
Item #16A5 – Moved to Item #11O (Per Commissioner McDaniel
during Agenda Changes)
Item #16A6
RECORD THE FINAL PLAT OF NATIONAL GOLF AND
COUNTRY CLUB AT AVE MARIA, PHASE 1, (APPLICATION
NUMBER PL20180003167) APPROVAL OF THE STANDARD
FORM CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT
AND APPROVAL OF THE AMOUNT OF THE PERFORMANCE
SECURITY – W/STIPULATIONS
Item #16A7
RECORD THE FINAL PLAT OF MOORINGS PARK GRANDE
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LAKE (APPLICATION NUMBER PL20180003112), APPROVAL
OF THE STANDARD FORM CONSTRUCTION AND
MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AND APPROVAL OF THE
AMOUNT OF THE PERFORMANCE SECURITY –
W/STIPULATIONS
Item #16A8
RECORD THE MINOR FINAL PLAT OF CITY GATE
COMMERCE PARK PHASE THREE REPLAT NO. 2,
APPLICATION NUMBER PL20190002120
Item #16A9
RECORD THE FINAL PLAT OF FOUNDERS SQUARE,
(APPLICATION NUMBER PL20190000344) APPROVAL OF THE
STANDARD FORM CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE
AGREEMENT AND APPROVAL OF THE AMOUNT OF THE
PERFORMANCE SECURITY – W/STIPULATIONS
Item #16A10
RESOLUTION 2019-233: FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE
PRIVATE ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS FOR
THE FINAL PLAT OF MOCKINGBIRD CROSSINGS,
APPLICATION NUMBER AR-9975, PL20150002144, AND
AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE OF THE MAINTENANCE
SECURITY
Item #16A11
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RESOLUTION 2019-234: FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE
PRIVATE ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS,
AND ACCEPTANCE OF THE PLAT DEDICATIONS, FOR THE
FINAL PLAT OF FAITH LANDING PHASE FOUR,
APPLICATION NUMBER PL20160001899, AND AUTHORIZE
THE RELEASE OF THE MAINTENANCE SECURITY
Item #16A12
RESOLUTION 2019-235: FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE
PRIVATE ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS FOR
THE FINAL PLAT OF MCCARTY SUBDIVISION,
APPLICATION NUMBER AR-3700 AND PL20120001712, AND
AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE OF THE MAINTENANCE
SECURITY
Item #16A13
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE SEWER FACILITIES, AND
ACCEPT THE CONVEYANCE OF THE SEWER FACILITIES
FOR ARTHREX HOTEL AND WELLNESS CENTER, LIFT
STATION 111.01, PL20190002489 – STAFF CONDUCTED A
FINAL INSPECTION AND FOUND THE FACILITIES TO BE
ACCEPTABLE AND SATISFACTORY ON NOVEMBER 5, 2019
Item #16A14
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE SEWER FACILITIES, AND
ACCEPT THE CONVEYANCE OF THE SEWER FACILITIES
FOR ARTHREX ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, LIFT
STATION 111.00, PL20190002424 – STAFF CONDUCTED A
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FINAL INSPECTION AND FOUND THE FACILITIES TO BE
ACCEPTABLE AND SATISFACTORY ON OCTOBER 31, 2019
Item #16A15
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE POTABLE WATER AND
SEWER FACILITIES FOR RATTLESNAKE HAMMOCK SELF-
STORAGE, PL20180000852, ACCEPT THE CONVEYANCE OF A
PORTION OF THE POTABLE WATER FACILITIES, AND TO
AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MANAGER, OR HIS DESIGNEE,
TO RELEASE THE UTILITIES PERFORMANCE SECURITY
(UPS) AND FINAL OBLIGATION BOND IN THE TOTAL
AMOUNT OF $10,996.08 TO THE PROJECT ENGINEER OR THE
DEVELOPER’S DESIGNATED AGENT – STAFF CONDUCTED
A FINAL INSPECTION AND FOUND THE FACILITIES TO BE
ACCEPTABLE AND SATISFACTORY ON SEPTEMBER 3, 2019
Item #16A16
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE POTABLE WATER AND
SEWER FACILITIES FOR NAPLES LAKES COUNTRY CLUB
GOLF COURSE RENOVATION, PL20180001417, ACCEPT THE
CONVEYANCE OF A PORTION OF THE SEWER FACILITIES,
AND TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MANAGER, OR HIS
DESIGNEE, TO RELEASE THE UTILITIES PERFORMANCE
SECURITY (UPS) AND FINAL OBLIGATION BOND IN THE
TOTAL AMOUNT OF $6,943 TO THE PROJECT ENGINEER OR
THE DEVELOPER’S DESIGNATED AGENT – STAFF
CONDUCTED A FINAL INSPECTION AND FOUND THE
FACILITIES TO BE ACCEPTABLE AND SATISFACTORY ON
OCTOBER 17, 2019
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Item #16A17
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE POTABLE WATER AND
SEWER FACILITIES FOR CVS IMMOKALEE ROAD,
PL20180002492, ACCEPT THE CONVEYANCE OF A PORTION
OF THE POTABLE WATER FACILITIES, AND TO AUTHORIZE
THE COUNTY MANAGER, OR HIS DESIGNEE, TO RELEASE
THE UTILITIES PERFORMANCE SECURITY (UPS) AND
FINAL OBLIGATION BOND IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF
$8,584.02 TO THE PROJECT ENGINEER OR THE
DEVELOPER’S DESIGNATED AGENT – STAFF CONDUCTED
A FINAL INSPECTION AND FOUND THE FACILITIES TO BE
ACCEPTABLE AND SATISFACTORY ON OCTOBER 18, 2016
Item #16A18
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE POTABLE WATER AND
SEWER UTILITY FACILITIES FOR NE COUNTY RECYCLING
DROP-OFF CENTER, PL20180002360 – STAFF CONDUCTED A
FINAL INSPECTION AND FOUND THE FACILITIES TO BE
ACCEPTABLE AND SATISFACTORY ON OCTOBER 11, 2019
Item #16A19
FINAL ACCEPTANCE AND ACCEPT THE CONVEYANCE OF
THE POTABLE WATER AND SEWER UTILITY FACILITIES
FOR HADLEY PLACE EAST, PL20180001708 AND TO
AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MANAGER, OR HIS DESIGNEE,
TO RELEASE THE FINAL OBLIGATION BOND IN THE
AMOUNT OF $4,000 TO THE PROJECT ENGINEER OR THE
DEVELOPER’S DESIGNATED AGENT – STAFF CONDUCTED
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A FINAL INSPECTION AND FOUND THE FACILITIES TO BE
ACCEPTABLE AND SATISFACTORY ON OCTOBER 22, 2019
Item #16A20
FINAL ACCEPTANCE AND ACCEPT THE CONVEYANCE OF
THE POTABLE WATER AND SEWER UTILITY FACILITIES
FOR HACIENDA LAKES BUSINESS PARK, PL20180000571,
AND TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MANAGER, OR HIS
DESIGNEE, TO RELEASE THE UTILITIES PERFORMANCE
SECURITY (UPS) AND FINAL OBLIGATION BOND IN THE
TOTAL AMOUNT OF $16,345.50 TO THE PROJECT ENGINEER
OR THE DEVELOPER’S DESIGNATED AGENT – STAFF
CONDUCTED A FINAL INSPECTION AND FOUND THE
FACILITIES TO BE ACCEPTABLE AND SATISFACTORY ON
OCTOBER 28, 2019
Item #16A21
AN EXTENSION FOR COMPLETION OF REQUIRED
SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH ROYAL
PALM GOLF ESTATES REPLAT #3 (AR-6774) SUBDIVISION
PURSUANT TO SECTION 10.02.05 C.2 OF THE COLLIER
COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE (LDC) – FROM
SEPTEMBER 23, 2019 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 23, 2021
Item #16A22
AN EXTENSION FOR COMPLETION OF REQUIRED
SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH AVE
MARIA UNIT 11, DEL WEBB NAPLES PARCELS 106 & 112
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(PL20110000452) SUBDIVISION PURSUANT TO SECTION
10.02.05 C.2 OF THE COLLIER COUNTY LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE (LDC) – THE DEADLINE EXPIRED ON
SEPTEMBER 27, 2018 AND IS NOW EXTENDED TO
SEPTEMBER 27, 2021
Item #16A23
THE CLERK OF COURTS TO RELEASE A PERFORMANCE
BOND IN THE AMOUNT OF $114,866.40 WHICH WAS POSTED
AS A GUARANTY FOR EXCAVATION PERMIT NUMBER
60.080-8, PL20160000400 FOR WORK ASSOCIATED WITH
ISLES OF COLLIER PRESERVE PHASE 7
Item #16A24
THE CLERK OF COURTS TO RELEASE A PERFORMANCE
BOND IN THE AMOUNT OF $25,890 WHICH WAS POSTED AS
A GUARANTY FOR EXCAVATION PERMIT NUMBER 59.708-
2, AR-2076, PL20120001705 FOR WORK ASSOCIATED WITH
INDIGO LAKES UNIT 7 – LAKES 4 AND 5
Item #16A25
THE CLERK OF COURTS TO RELEASE A PERFORMANCE
BOND IN THE AMOUNT OF $62,460 WHICH WAS POSTED AS
A GUARANTY FOR EXCAVATION PERMIT NUMBER
PL20160000766 FOR WORK ASSOCIATED WITH THE
ANTILLES.
Item #16A26
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THE CLERK OF COURTS TO RELEASE A PERFORMANCE
BOND IN THE AMOUNT OF $277,324.85 WHICH WAS POSTED
AS A GUARANTY FOR OFF-SITE IMPROVEMENTS
ASSOCIATED WITH ARTESIA NAPLES, AR-4794
Item #16A27
SUB-RECIPIENT AGREEMENT WITH THE FLORIDA
DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT (FDEM) FOR
FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF $69,750 UNDER THE
FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY (FEMA)
HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT PROGRAM AND AUTHORIZE
NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENT. NET FISCAL IMPACT
IS $93,000 (PROJECT NO. 60102) – TO HELP ALLEVIATE THE
HISTORICAL FLOODING IN THE SOLANA ROAD/BURNING
TREE AREA
Item #16A28
AWARD A WORK ORDER TO BONNESS, INC., UNDER
ROADWAY CONTRACTOR’S AGREEMENT NO. 16-6663, FOR
CONSTRUCTION OF THE “VANDERBILT BEACH ROAD AT
PRISTINE DRIVE AND BUCKSTONE DRIVE INTERSECTION
IMPROVEMENTS” PROJECT, IN THE AMOUNT OF $542,373.28
(PROJECT 60016.39)
Item #16A29 – Moved to Item #11M (Per Agenda Change Sheet)
Item #16B1
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, ACTING AS THE
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COLLIER COUNTY COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT
AGENCY BOARD (CRAB), APPROVES AND AUTHORIZES
THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING
IMPROVEMENT GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE
COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND DAVID AND
GLORIA FLICK IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,384.47 FOR
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2464 KIRKWOOD AVENUE WITHIN
THE BAYSHORE GATEWAY TRIANGLE COMMUNITY
REDEVELOPMENT AREA
Item #16C1
A BUDGET AMENDMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $500,000 IN
ORDER TO EXECUTE PHASE II OF CONTRACT #14-6198,
“DESIGN AND SUPPORT SERVICES FOR THE CC LANDFILL
LEACHATE DEEP INJECTION WELL,” (PROJECT NUMBER
70219)
Item #16C2
RESOLUTION 2019-236: A RESOLUTION REMOVING
UNCOLLECTIBLE ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE AND THEIR
RESPECTIVE BALANCES FROM THE FINANCIAL RECORDS
OF COLLIER COUNTY PUBLIC UTILITIES DEPARTMENT IN
THE AMOUNT OF $16,700.64
Item #16C3
AN AGREEMENT FOR SALE AND PURCHASE FOR THE
SOLID AND HAZARDOUS WASTE MANAGEMENT DIVISION
TO ACQUIRE 5 ACRES AS PART OF AN ASSEMBLAGE OF
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VACANT LAND THAT IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE
COUNTY LANDFILL. THE TOTAL COST FOR THIS
TRANSACTION WILL NOT TO EXCEED $61,000 – FOLIO
#00340120006
Item #16C4
SOLE-SOURCE WAIVERS FOR THE PURCHASE OF
EQUIPMENT AND SERVICES NEEDED TO REPAIR AND
MAINTAIN WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITIES
INFRASTRUCTURE IN ORDER TO MEET DEMAND AND
MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE WITH PUBLIC UTILITY
DEPARTMENT OPERATIONS – FOR EXISTING AND
REPLACEMENT APPLICATIONS EFFECTIVE THROUGH
SEPTEMBER 30, 2023
Item #16C5
A PURCHASE ORDER MODIFICATION IN THE AMOUNT OF
$92,990.00 TO STANTEC CONSULTING SERVICES, INC.
(UNDER AGREEMENT NO. 14-6345), FOR CEI SERVICES ON
THE VANDERBILT CUL-DE-SACS PROJECT AND
AUTHORIZE THE NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENT – AS
DETAILED IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Item #16C6
THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN
THE VILLAS AT BAREFOOT BEACH HOMEOWNERS
ASSOCIATION, INC., AND COLLIER COUNTY FOR A
MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT FOR CONTIGUOUS
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PROPERTIES AT BAREFOOT BEACH PARK NORTH ACCESS
– PROVIDING MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL SUPPORT FOR
CONTIGUOUS MAINTENANCE OF THE CONSERVATION
AREA ON BOTH PROPERTIES BETWEEN THE PARTIES
Item #16C7
AWARD A CONTRACT TO AECOM USA, INC., IN THE
AMOUNT OF $994,087 UNDER REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL NO.
18-7370, “PUBLIC UTILITIES WATER SEWER DISTRICT
MASTER PLAN”, AND AUTHORIZE THE NECESSARY
BUDGET AMENDMENTS (PROJECT NUMBER 70031)
Item #16C8
A $708,665 WORK ORDER TO HASKINS, INC., UNDER
REQUEST FOR QUOTATION #14-6213-134 FOR
UNDERGROUND UTILITY CONTRACTING SERVICES FOR
"VILLAGE WALK WASTEWATER SYSTEM MODIFICATIONS"
(PROJECT NUMBER 70250) – BRINGING OUTDATED UTILITY
INFRASTRUCTURE INTO COMPLIANCE WITH CURRENT
STANDARDS AND MEETING SERVICE DEMANDS,
PROTECTING PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, AND
PROVIDING PROACTIVE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS
Item #16D1
THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE SUBMITTAL OF A FIVE-YEAR
SOVEREIGNTY SUBMERGED LANDS LEASE RENEWAL
WITH THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE INTERNAL
IMPROVEMENT TRUST FUND OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA
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AT CAXAMBAS PARK WITH AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF APRIL
8, 2018 – THE LEASE IS EFFECTIVE FROM APRIL 8, 2018
THROUGH APRIL 6, 2023, AND INCLUDES USE AND
OPERATION OF THE BOAT RAMP, FISHING PIER, 10 SLIPS
FOR PUBLIC USE AND 1 SLIP FOR AN EMERGENCY AND
FIRE RESCUE VESSEL
Item #16D2
TWO (2) FACILITY USE AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE
COLLIER COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
AND THE COLLIER COUNTY SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS
(SOE) FOR THE USE OF THE SOUTH REGIONAL LIBRARY
AND HEADQUARTERS LIBRARY AS POLLING PRECINCTS
FOR THE 2020 ELECTION CYCLE AND AUTHORIZE THE
BOARD’S CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THOSE AGREEMENTS
Item #16D3
AN “AFTER-THE-FACT” COMBATING OPIOID OVERDOSE
GRANT APPLICATION IN THE AMOUNT OF $500,000 TO THE
UNIVERSITY OF BALTIMORE, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE
COLLIER COUNTY SHERIFFS OFFICE, TO PROVIDE
MEDICATION-ASSISTED TREATMENT (MAT), AT THE TIME
OF INCARCERATION AND FOR INMATES TRANSITIONING
BACK TO THE COMMUNITY (NET FISCAL IMPACT $500,000)
Item #16D4
CONVEYANCE OF A UTILITY EASEMENT ON COUNTY
PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE NAPLES ZOO, 1590
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GOODLETTE-FRANK ROAD, TO THE CITY OF NAPLES, AT
NO COST TO THE COUNTY – FOR THE NAPLES ZOO
ANIMAL HOSPITAL IMPROVEMENTS
Item #16D5
BUDGET AMENDMENTS TO REFLECT THE ESTIMATED
FUNDING FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2020 OLDER AMERICANS
ACT (OAA) PROGRAMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,328,364.09
AND THE ESTIMATED CASH MATCH OF $88,185.44. THE
VENDOR PROVIDES THE ESTIMATED MATCH IN THE
AMOUNT OF $54, 217.53 – THE FOLLOWING ARE THE
PROGRAM COMPONENTS: LEAD AGENCY OPERATIONS,
CONGREGATE MEALS, HOME DELIVERED MEALS,
CAREGIVER SUPPORT PROGRAM AND NSIP
Item #16D6
AN AFFILIATE LIBRARY AGREEMENT BETWEEN FAMILY
SEARCH, INTERNATIONAL, A UTAH NON-PROFIT
CORPORATION (FAMILYSEARCH) AND BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS (BOARD) ON BEHALF OF THE COLLIER
COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY – PROVIDING A
GENEALOGICAL DATABASE ACCESS AT NO COST TO THE
PUBLIC IS AN AFFILIATE FAMILY SEARCH LIBRARY
WHICH AS THE LARGEST COLLECTION OF GENEALOGICAL
RECORDS IN THE WORLD OF 3.5 BILLION IMAGES,
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF BIRTHS, CHRISTENING,
MARRIAGE RECORDS, AND OVER 35 MILLION PEDIGREES
AND FAMILY GROUP RECORDS, PLUS 300,000+ DIGITAL
BOOKS THAT THEY OWN EXCLUSIVELY
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Item #16D7
ONE (1) RELEASE OF MORTGAGE FOR THE STATE
HOUSING INITIATIVES PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM WHERE
THE TERM OF THE OBLIGATION HAS BEEN MET –
LOCATED AT 592 HOPE CIRCLE, IMMOKALEE
Item #16D8
TWO (2) RELEASES OF LIENS FOR FULL PAYMENT OF
$31,814.98 PLUS INTEREST, PURSUANT TO AGREEMENT
FOR DEFERRAL OF 100% OF COLLIER COUNTY IMPACT
FEES FOR OWNER-OCCUPIED AFFORDABLE HOUSING
DWELLINGS – LOCATED AT 3628 JUSTICE CIRCLE,
IMMOKALEE; AND LOT 127 TRAIL RIDGE IN NAPLES
Item #16D9
AN EXTENSION TO AGREEMENT NO. 09-5247, TIGERTAIL
BEACH FOOD & BEACH CONCESSIONS WITH
RECREATIONAL FACILITIES OF AMERICA, INC., FOR A
PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS OR UNTIL A NEW CONTRACT IS
AWARDED – EXTENDING THE CURRENT EXPIRATION
DATE OF JANUARY 11, 2020 TO JULY 9, 2020 OR UNTIL A
NEW CONTRACT IS AWARDED, WHICHEVER IS SOONER
Item #16D10
AFTER-THE-FACT DONATION FOR THREE (3) FITNESS
EQUIPMENT ITEMS TO THE IMMOKALEE FIRE
DEPARTMENT – FOR ITEMS LEFT OFF THE DONATED
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ITEMS LIST FROM THE IMMOKALEE SPORTS COMPLEX TO
THE IMMOKALEE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR A TOTAL OF 15
DONATED ITEM OF FITNESS EQUIPMENT
Item #16D11
THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE FOURTH AMENDMENT WITH
LEECORP HOMES INC., TO INCREASE FUNDING BY
$23,000.00 FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE STATE
HOUSING INITIATIVES PARTNERSHIP (SHIP) DEMOLITION
AND/OR REPLACEMENT OF MANUFACTURED HOUSING
PROGRAM – THIS AMENDMENT IS TO HELP COMPLETE A
HOUSING UNIT FOR A HURRICANE IRMA DISASTER
VICTIM
Item #16D12
ACCEPT AND RATIFY FEE WAIVERS GRANTED BY THE
DIRECTOR OF DOMESTIC ANIMAL SERVICES (DAS) FOR
THE PERIOD OF JULY 1, 2019, THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30,
2019, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROCESS ESTABLISHED
BY RESOLUTION NO. 2018-106 IN THE AMOUNT OF $464.00
– FOR FIVE DIFFERENT OWNERS THAT HAD EIGHT PETS
SURRENDERED
Item #16D13
RESOLUTION 2019-237: THE COLLIER COUNTY
CONSOLIDATED ANNUAL PERFORMANCE AND
EVALUATION REPORT FOR U.S. DEPARTMENT OF
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (HUD) FOR
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COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT (CDBG),
HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP (HOME), AND
EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANT (ESG) FOR FISCAL YEAR
2018-2019 AS REQUIRED; APPROVE THE CONSOLIDATED
ANNUAL PERFORMANCE AND EVALUATION REPORT
RESOLUTION; AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO
CERTIFY THE CONSOLIDATED ANNUAL PERFORMANCE
AND EVALUATION REPORT (CAPER) FOR SUBMISSION TO
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN
DEVELOPMENT
Item #16D14
THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE FY19-20 FEDERAL TRANSIT
ADMINISTRATION (FTA) SECTION 5310 GRANT AWARD
CONTRACT IN THE AMOUNT OF $498,408 AND AUTHORIZE
THE COUNTY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE TO EXECUTE ANY
AND ALL DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING BUDGET
AMENDMENTS, NECESSARY TO RECEIVE THE AWARD
AND EXECUTE ALL PAY REQUESTS – FOR THE
REPLACEMENT OF SIX VEHICLES, SIX TWO-WAY RADIOS,
AND SIX TABLETS FOR THE VEHICLES
Item #16D15
ELECTRONIC EXECUTION OF THE FY19 SECTION 5339
GRANT AWARD FROM THE FEDERAL TRANSIT
ADMINISTRATION (FTA) IN THE TRANSIT AWARD
MANAGEMENT SYSTEM (TRAMS) AND AUTHORIZE A
BUDGET AMENDMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $372,752 FOR
THE CONSTRUCTION OF A BUS TRANSFER FACILITY IN
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IMMOKALEE AND REHABILITATING EXISTING FIXED-
ROUTE VEHICLES - AND TO REBUILD ENGINES AND/OR
TRANSMISSIONS ON THREE VEHICLES
Item #16D16
TWO (2) MORTGAGE SATISFACTIONS FOR THE STATE
HOUSING INITIATIVES PARTNERSHIP (SHIP) LOAN
PROGRAM IN THE AMOUNT OF $40,500 AND APPROVE AN
ASSOCIATED BUDGET AMENDMENT – LOCATED AT 3628
JUSTICE CIRCLE, IMMOKALEE; AND 13602 LEGACY LANE,
NAPLES
Item #16D17
RESOLUTION 2019-238 (5310); RESOLUTION 2019-239 (5311);
RESOLUTION 2019-240 (5339): SUBMISSION OF GRANT
APPLICATIONS TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION FOR THE FEDERAL TRANSIT
ADMINISTRATION PROGRAMS 5310, 5311, AND 5339 RURAL
FOR FY2020/2021 AND APPROVE THE ASSOCIATED
RESOLUTIONS TO SUPPORT TRANSIT OPERATIONS AND
SYSTEM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. (TOTAL ANTICIPATED
FISCAL IMPACT OF $2,672,655.90 WITH A FEDERAL SHARE
OF $1,655,424.80, STATE SHARE OF $166,365.60, AND LOCAL
MATCH OF $850,865.50)
Item #16D18
ACCEPT AND APPROPRIATE RESTRICTED DONATIONS
TOTALING $5,000 TO SUPPORT THE REPLACEMENT OF THE
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EAST NAPLES BRANCH LIBRARY CARPET
Item #16D19
THE COUNTY MANAGER TO TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION TO
MAKE THE MINIMUM NECESSARY REPAIRS REQUIRED TO
FACILITATE THE TRANSPORT OF EMERGENCY SERVICE
VEHICLES ON BLUE SAGE DRIVE AND AUTHORIZE ALL
NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENTS
Item #16D20 – Added (Per Agenda Change Sheet)
AWARD REQUEST FOR QUOTATION #19-80401-1, “EAST
NAPLES COMMUNITY PARK ELECTICAL UPGRADES,”
UNDER AGREEMENT NO. 19-7525, ANNUAL AGREEMENT
FOR GENERAL CONTRACTOR SERVICES, TO CHRIS TEL
CONSTRUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF #547,382.02
Item #16E1
RATIFY PROPERTY, CASUALTY, WORKERS’
COMPENSATION AND SUBROGATION CLAIM FILES
SETTLED AND/OR CLOSED BY THE RISK MANAGEMENT
DIVISION DIRECTOR PURSUANT TO RESOLUTION #2004-15
FOR THE FOURTH QUARTER OF FY19
Item #16E2
THE PURCHASE OF A REPLACEMENT INFORMATION
TECHNOLOGY DATA BACKUP SYSTEM ESTIMATED AT
$280,000 OFF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, DEPARTMENT OF
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MANAGEMENT SERVICES, SOFTWARE VALUE ADDED
RESELLER CONTRACT, AND AUTHORIZE THE ASSOCIATED
BUDGET AMENDMENT
Item #16E3
THE REPORT FOR THE SALE OF ITEMS AND
DISBURSEMENT OF FUNDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE
COUNTY SURPLUS AUCTION HELD ON NOVEMBER 1 AND
NOVEMBER 2, 2019 – AS DETAILED IN THE EXECUTIVE
SUMMARY
Item #16E4
THE SELECTION COMMITTEE’S RANKING OF REQUEST
FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES (“RPS”) NO. 18-7432-SW,
“PROFESSIONAL SERVICES LIBRARY – SOLID AND
HAZARDOUS WASTE MANAGEMENT ENGINEERING,” AND
AUTHORIZE STAFF TO BEGIN CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS
WITH THE TOP SIX RANKED FIRMS SO THAT PROPOSED
AGREEMENTS MAY BE BROUGHT BACK FOR THE BOARD’S
CONSIDERATION AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING
Item #16E5
THE PURCHASE OF GROUP HEALTH REINSURANCE
THROUGH SUNLIFE IN THE ESTIMATED ANNUAL AMOUNT
OF $327,008.00 EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1, 2020
Item #16E6
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THE SELECTION COMMITTEE’S RANKING OF REQUEST
FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES (“RPS”) NO. 18-7432-ST,
“PROFESSIONAL SERVICES LIBRARY - STRUCTURAL
ENGINEERING CATEGORY,” AND AUTHORIZE STAFF TO
BEGIN CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE TOP TEN
RANKED FIRMS SO THAT PROPOSED AGREEMENTS MAY
BE BROUGHT BACK FOR THE BOARD’S CONSIDERATION
AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING
Item #16E7
THE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT PREPARED BY THE
PROCUREMENT SERVICES DIVISION FOR DISPOSAL OF
PROPERTY AND NOTIFICATION OF REVENUE
DISBURSEMENT – FOR ON-LINE SALES THAT TOTALED
$1,274.00, DISPOSED ITEMS BOOK VALUE TOTALING
$4,941.05, AND TRADE-IN VALUE OF EQUIPMENT
UPGRADES TOTAL $2,000.00
Item #16E8
PURCHASES IN EXCESS OF $50,000 FOR JOHN DEERE
AGRICULTURAL AND TURF EQUIPMENT PARTS, REPAIRS
AND SERVICES FROM EFE, INC. D/B/A EVERGLADES
EQUIPMENT GROUP, AS A SINGLE-SOURCE PROVIDER
Item #16E9
AWARD RFP #19-7581 “GROUP INSURANCE BROKERAGE
AND ACTUARIAL SERVICES” TO WILLIS OF WISCONSIN,
INC., AND EXECUTE THE ASSOCIATED AGREEMENT
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Item #16E10
A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE PURCHASE OF 40 FIELD
COMPUTERS FOR EMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $80,760
Item #16E11
THE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS PREPARED BY THE
PROCUREMENT SERVICES DIVISION FOR CHANGE ORDERS
AND OTHER CONTRACTUAL MODIFICATIONS REQUIRING
BOARD APPROVAL – FOR VARIOUS CONTRACTS THAT
INCLUDE THE PELICAN BAY SIGN REPAIR/REPLACEMENT;
DESIGN SERVICES, PHASE 0, PHASE 1A FOR THE SPORTS
PARK; VANDERBILT BEACH ROAD LANDSCAPE; PELICAN
BAY-WATERGATE WAY PIPES; AND ORANGE TREE PLANT
FORCE MAIN IMPROVEMENTS
Item #16F1
THE DONATION OF A CUMMINS GENERATOR TO BE
INSTALLED AT THE FLORIDA CULINARY ACCELERATOR
AT IMMOKALEE - TO BE INSTALLED WITH REVENUE
RECEIVED FROM THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT SHARE OF
GAMING PROCEEDS AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA AND SEMINOLE TRIBE
Item #16F2
THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO ADVERTISE AND BRING
BACK FOR PUBLIC HEARING AN AMENDMENT TO
ORDINANCE NO. 2018-56, WHICH PROVIDED FOR THE
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CREATION OF THE GOLDEN GATE ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT ZONE, TO RAISE THE CAP OF THE TRUST
FUND TO $2,000,000, SUBJECT TO APPROPRIATION BY THE
COUNTY
Item #16F3
RESOLUTION 2019-241: A RESOLUTION APPROVING
AMENDMENTS (APPROPRIATING GRANTS, DONATIONS,
CONTRIBUTIONS OR INSURANCE PROCEEDS) TO THE
FY2019-20 ADOPTED BUDGET
Item #16F4
A REPORT COVERING BUDGET AMENDMENTS IMPACTING
RESERVES AND MOVING FUNDS IN AN AMOUNT UP TO
AND INCLUDING $25,000 AND $50,000, RESPECTIVELY –
FOR OTHER CONTRACUAL SERVICES WITHIN THE ROCK
ROAD MSTU
Item #16F5
AWARD REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL NO. 19-7640, “FEDERAL
LOBBYIST SERVICES,” TO BECKER & POLIAKOFF, P.A.,
AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE
ATTACHED AGREEMENT
Item #16F6
A THIRD AMENDMENT TO AGREEMENT WITH GC II, LLC,
TO EXTEND THE CLOSING DATE FROM OCTOBER 31, 2019
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TO DECEMBER 20, 2019 FOR THE PURCHASE OF 0.345
ACRES TO INCORPORATE INTO THE COLLIER COUNTY
SPORTS COMPLEX AND EVENT CENTER AT A COST NOT
TO EXCEED $127,700, TO APPROVE THE OPTION TO EITHER
PURCHASE THE 2.10 ACRE SOUTH PROPERTY AT A COST
NOT TO EXCEED $452,670 OR THE 1.75 ACRE NORTH
PROPERTY AT COST NOT TO EXCEED $382,320 FOR
ADDITIONAL PARKING, IF NEEDED, AND TO AUTHORIZE
THE NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENTS
Item #16F7
A FIRST AMENDMENT TO REAL ESTATE SALES
AGREEMENT WITH RICHARD D. YOVANOVICH,
SUCCESSOR TRUSTEE (AND NOT INDIVIDUALLY)
EXTENDING THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD FOR THE SALE
OF THE 47 +/- ACRE PARCEL KNOWN AS THE RANDALL
CURVE PROPERTY FROM DECEMBER 23, 2019 TO JANUARY
31, 2020 – FOLIO #37690040003
Item #16F8
TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX PROMOTION FUNDS TO
SUPPORT THE UPCOMING JANUARY 2020 SPORTS
TOURISM EVENTS FOR THE NIKE XPO PROSPECT CAMP
JANUARY 4TH - 5TH, 2020 UP TO $7,600 AND THE DIMITRI
CUP SOCCER SERIES JANUARY 11TH - FEBRUARY 2ND, 2020
UP TO $55,500 FOR A TOTAL UP TO $63,100 AND MAKE A
FINDING THAT THESE EXPENDITURES PROMOTE TOURISM
– TO BE HELD AT THE NORTH COLLIER REGIONAL
COMPLEX FOR THE 18TH YEAR
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Item #16F9
THE SPONSORSHIP AGREEMENT BETWEEN COLLIER
COUNTY AND FOOTBALL UNIVERSITY (FBU) TO HOST THE
TOP GUN SHOWCASE SUMMER PROGRAM IN JULY 2020,
2021 AND 2022 AND MAKE A FINDING THAT THIS ITEM
PROMOTES TOURISM – THE COUNTY PROPOSES TO PAY
FBU $100,000.00 EACH FISCAL YEAR OF FY20, FY21
AND FY22
Item #16F10 – Moved to Item #11N (Per Agenda Change Sheet)
Item #16F11
AWARD REQUEST FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES (“RPS”)
#19-7650, “GOLDEN GATE GOLF COURSE REDEVELOPMENT
PLANNING AND ENGINEERING,” TO DAVIDSON
ENGINEERING, INC., FOR PROFESSIONAL PLANNING AND
ENGINEERING SERVICES IN A TIME AND MATERIALS
AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $684,666.50, AND AUTHORIZE
THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT AND
AUTHORIZE ALL NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENTS
Item #16F12
AWARD REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL NO. 19-7667, “WEBSITE
DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT FOR THE COLLIER COUNTY
OFFICE OF BUSINESS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,” TO
MILES PARTNERSHIP, LLLP, AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN
TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT, AND AUTHORIZE NECESSARY
BUDGET AMENDMENT
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Item #16G1
BUDGET AMENDMENTS IN THE AMOUNT OF $145,000 TO
REPLACE AIRPORT EQUIPMENT – REPLACING A 2006 FORD
FREESTAR, TORO MOWER, WASTE FUEL/OIL TANKS, AND
2007 NEW HOLLAND TRACTOR
Item #16G2
RESOLUTION 2019-242: THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS, ACTING AS THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY,
ADOPTS THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION APPROVING THE
PROPOSED RATE SCHEDULES FOR THE EVERGLADES
AIRPARK, IMMOKALEE REGIONAL AIRPORT, AND MARCO
ISLAND EXECUTIVE AIRPORT FOR 2020
Item #16H1
STAFF TO NEGOTIATE A RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL
AGREEMENT WITH NORTH COLLIER FIRE DISTRICT
REGARDING THE POTENTIAL SALE OF STATION 40
LOCATED AT 1441 PINE RIDGE ROAD (COMMISSIONER
TAYLOR)
Item #16I1
MISCELLANEOUS CORRESPONDENCE – ITEMS TO FILE FOR
THE RECORD
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Item #16J1
THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT AUTHORIZING
THE COLLIER COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE TO HAVE
TRAFFIC CONTROL JURISDICTION OVER PRIVATE ROADS
WITHIN THE AUTUMN WOODS SUBDIVISION
Item #16J2
THE REPORT OF INTEREST FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING
SEPTEMBER 30, 2019, PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTE
218.78 – THERE WERE NO INTEREST PAYMENTS TO
REPORT
Item #16J3
REQUEST THAT THE BOARD APPROVE AND DETERMINE
VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR INVOICES PAYABLE AND
PURCHASING CARD TRANSACTIONS AS OF DECEMBER 4,
2019
Item #16J4
TO RECORD IN THE MINUTES OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS, THE CHECK NUMBER (OR OTHER
PAYMENT METHOD), AMOUNT, PAYEE, AND PURPOSE FOR
WHICH THE REFERENCED DISBURSEMENTS WERE DRAWN
FOR THE PERIODS BETWEEN OCTOBER 31, 2019 AND
NOVEMBER 27, 2019, PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTE
136.06
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Item #16K1
RESOLUTION 2019-243: RE-APPOINTNG WILLIAM ARTHUR
TO THE GOLDEN GATE COMMUNITY CENTER ADVISORY
BOARD WITH TERM EXPIRING ON DECEMBER 31, 2022
Item #16K2
RESOLUTION 2019-244: RE-APPOINTING LAURA DEJOHN,
BLAIR FOLEY, JOHN CHRISTIAN ENGLISH, NORMAN
GENTRY, MARIO VALLE, AND MARCO ESPINAR TO THE
GOLDEN GATE COMMUNITY CENTER ADVISORY BOARD
WITH ALL TERMS EXPIRING ON DECEMBER 14, 2023
Item #16K3
RESOLUTION 2019-245: APPOINTING JEFFREY LUTZ TO THE
INFRASTRUCTURE SURTAX CITIZEN OVERSIGHT
COMMITTEE TO THE TERM EXPIRING JANUARY 12, 2021
Item #16K4
RESOLUTION 2019-246: APPOINTING JAMES CANTON TO A
TERM EXPIRING ON JANUARY 8, 2023 AND APPOINTING
DR. ROBERT JONES TO A TERM EXPIRING APRIL 13, 2023
TO THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY
Item #17A
ORDINANCE 2019-42: THE ST. KATHERINE’S GREEK
ORTHODOX CHURCH, INC., SMALL-SCALE AMENDMENT
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TO THE ORANGE BLOSSOM MIXED-USE SUBDISTRICT OF
THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE COLLIER
COUNTY GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN, ORDINANCE 89-
05, AS AMENDED, AND TO TRANSMIT TO THE FLORIDA
DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY (ADOPTION
HEARING) (PL20170003337/ CPSS- 2017-2) (THIS IS A
COMPANION TO AGENDA ITEM #17B)
Item #17B
ORDINANCE 2019-43: AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER
2003-41, THE LONGVIEW CENTER PLANNED UNIT
DEVELOPMENT (PUD), AS AMENDED, AND BY AMENDING
ORDINANCE NUMBER 2004-41, THE COLLIER COUNTY
LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BY AMENDING THE
APPROPRIATE ZONING ATLAS MAP OR MAPS BY
CHANGING THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF 5.16 ACRES
OF LAND PRESENTLY ZONED RURAL AGRICULTURAL TO
INCORPORATE THE PARCEL INTO THE LONGVIEW CENTER
PUD FOR A TOTAL PUD SIZE OF 19.9± ACRES; TO ALLOW
CHURCH AND INSTITUTIONAL USES ON THE 5.16 ACRE
CHURCH TRACT; TO ALLOW, ON THE 4.52 ACRE NORTH
TRACT, 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF USES ANCILLARY TO A
CHURCH, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO CLASSROOMS
FOR RELIGIOUS INSTRUCTION AND CONTINUING
EDUCATION, OFFICES, A MULTI-PURPOSE BUILDING WITH
KITCHEN, MEETING ROOMS, INDOOR RECREATION
FACILITIES FOR CHURCH MEMBERS AND COMMUNITY
GARDENS; OR TO ALLOW ON THE 4.52 ACRE NORTH
TRACT 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL USES AND 15,000
SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE USES; TO ADD A NEW EXHIBIT A-
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1 MASTER PLAN DETAIL FOR THE NORTH TRACT AND
CHURCH TRACT; TO AMEND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS
APPLICABLE TO THE NORTH TRACT AND ESTABLISH
DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS APPLICABLE TO THE
CHURCH TRACT; TO UPDATE CODE CITATIONS AND
NOMENCLATURE; AND TO REPEAL ORDINANCE NO. 92-27,
A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A CHURCH. THE SUBJECT
PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER AND
SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF AIRPORT-
PULLING ROAD AND ORANGE BLOSSOM DRIVE IN
SECTION 1, TOWNSHIP 49 SOUTH, RANGE 25 EAST,
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, CONSISTING OF 19.9+/-
ACRES; AND BY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE (THIS IS
A COMPANION TO AGENDA ITEM #17A) [PL20180002107]
Item #17C
ORDINANCE 2019-44: AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 85-83,
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING NO. 85-21, WHICH AMENDED
NO. 77-48, THE LELY BAREFOOT BEACH PLANNED UNIT
DEVELOPMENT (PUD); BY AMENDING SECTION III,
PLATTED LELY BAREFOOT BEACH UNIT #1 BLOCKS A
THROUGH K, LOW DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY
RESIDENTIAL, TO CLARIFY THAT THE REPLAT OF BLOCK
E KNOWN AS PLATTED BAREFOOT ESTATES REMAINS
PART OF THIS SECTION; BY AMENDING SECTION 9.4.7
MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR TRACT D TO INCREASE THE
HEIGHT FROM TWO STORIES ABOVE MINIMUM BASE
FLOOD ELEVATION TO THREE HABITABLE FLOORS; AND
BY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THE SUBJECT
PROPERTY KNOWN AS THE BAREFOOT ESTATES
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SUBDIVISION AND LELY BAREFOOT BEACH UNIT TWO
SUBDIVISION IS LOCATED SOUTH OF BONITA BEACH
ROAD IN SECTION 6, TOWNSHIP 48 SOUTH, RANGE 25 EAST
IN COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA [PL20190001138]
Item #17D
ORDINANCE 2019-45: AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER
2006-61, AS AMENDED, WHICH REZONED THE SUBJECT
PROPERTY TO A RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY-6 (RMF-6)
ZONING DISTRICT WITH CONDITIONS, IN ORDER TO
REMOVE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL RELATING TO
AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONTRIBUTIONS AND AMEND A
CONDITION OF APPROVAL RELATING TO RESTRICTIONS
ON THE ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY
UNTIL THE ROADWAY CONNECTION FROM
WHIPPOORWILL LANE TO LIVINGSTON ROAD IS FULLY
OPERATIONAL, FOR PROPERTY LOCATED
APPROXIMATELY 3,500 FEET SOUTH OF PINE RIDGE ROAD,
IN SECTION 18, TOWNSHIP 49 SOUTH, RANGE 26 EAST,
COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, CONSISTING OF 10+/- ACRES;
AND BY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE
Item #17E – Moved to Item #9F (Per Agenda Change Sheet)
Item #17F
RESOLUTION 2019-247: PETITION VAC-PL20190001669, TO
DISCLAIM, RENOUNCE AND VACATE THE COUNTY AND
THE PUBLIC INTEREST IN A PORTION OF
PRESERVE/REPLANT AREAS PA15 & PA16 OF VANDERBILT
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COUNTRY CLUB-2, AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 32,
PAGES 42 THROUGH 55, AND PRESERVE AREAS M-1, M-2,
M-3, AND M-4 AS RECORDED IN OFFICIAL RECORD BOOK
2406, PAGES 549 THROUGH 589 OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS
OF COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, LOCATED
APPROXIMATELY ONE-QUARTER MILE EAST OF COUNTY
ROAD 951 (COLLIER BOULEVARD) IN SECTION 35,
TOWNSHIP 48 SOUTH, RANGE 26 EAST, COLLIER COUNTY,
FLORIDA AND TO ACCEPT PETITIONER’S GRANT OF A
CONSERVATION EASEMENT TO REPLACE THE VACATED
PORTION OF THE PRESERVE/REPLANT AREAS AND
PRESERVE AREAS
Item #17G
ORDINANCE 2019-46: AMEND ORDINANCE NO. 2018-21 IN
ORDER TO CODIFY THE BOARD’S APPOINTMENT OF
ALTERNATE MEMBERS OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE
SURTAX CITIZEN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE
Item #17H
RESOLUTION 2019-248: AMENDMENTS (APPROPRIATING
CARRY FORWARD, TRANSFERS AND SUPPLEMENTAL
REVENUE) TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2019-20 ADOPTED
BUDGET
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There being no further business for the good of the County, the
meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 3:53 p.m.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS/EX
OFFICIO GOVERNING BOARD(S) OF
SPECIAL DISTRICTS UNDER ITS CONTROL
___________________________________
CHAIRMAN
ATTEST
CRYSTAL K. KINZEL, CLERK
_______________________________
These minutes approved by the Board on ____________, as
presented ______________ or as corrected _____________.
TRANSCRIPT PREPARED ON BEHALF OF U.S. LEGAL
SUPPORT, INC., BY TERRI LEWIS, COURT REPORTER AND
NOTARY PUBLIC.