EAC Minutes 07/05/2006 R
July 5, 2006
MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE COLLIER COUNTY
ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL
Naples, Florida, July 5, 2006
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Collier County Environmental
Advisory Council in and for the County of Collier, having conducted
business herein, met on this date at 9:00 AM in REGULAR SESSION in
Building "F" of the Government Complex, East Naples, Florida with the
following members present:
CHAIRMAN:
William Hughes
Terrence Dolan
J ames Harcourt
William Hill
Lee Horn
Judith Hushon
Irv Kraut
Nick Penniman - Absent
Michael Sorrell - Absent
ALSO PRESENT: Barbara Burgeson, Senior Environmental Specialist
Stan Chrzanowski, Engineering Review Manager
MaIjorie Student-Stirling, Assistant County Attorney
ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL
AGENDA
July 5, 2006
9:00 A.M.
Commission Boardroom
W. Harmon Turner Building (Building "F") - Third Floor
I. Call to Order
II. Roll Call
III. Approval of Agenda
IV.
A roval of June 14
'tI. .,t;readYFllt mlllliqg time,
V. Upcoming Environmental Advisory Council Absences
VI. Land Use Petitions
VII. Old Business
A. Update members on projects
B. Continue Proposed LDC Amendment - 2006 CYCLE 1
VIII. New Business
A. DEP letter to Jim Mudd regarding GMP
B. Mirasol PUD extension
IX Subcommittee Reports
X. Council Member Comments
XI. Public Comments
XII. Adjournment
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Council Members: Please notify the Environmental Services Deoartment no later than 5:00
o.m. on June 30, 2006 if vou cannot attend this meetinG or if vou have a conflict and will
abstain from votinG on a oetition (403-2424).
General Public: Any person who decides to appeal a decision of this Board will need a record of the
proceedings pertaining thereto; and therefore may need to ensure that a verbatim record of proceedings
is made, which record includes the testimony and evidence upon which the appeal is to be based.
July 5, 2006
I. Call to Order
The meeting was called to order by Chairman William Hughes at 9:04 AM.
II. Roll Call
A quorum was established with Nick Penniman and Michael Sorrell being absent.
III. Approval of Agenda
Ms. Burgeson stated that Mirasol PUD extension needs to be moved from section
VIII. "New Business" to section X. "Council Member Comments."
Mr. Hill moved to approve the agenda with this change. Second by Mr.
Dolan. Carried unanimously 7-0.
(During discussion of Mirasol PUD extension, this item was moved back to the
New Business section, as noted in the Minutes below.)
IV. Approval of June 14,2006 Meeting minutes
The June 14,2006 Meeting minutes were not ready at the agenda mailing time;
approval will take place at the August 2,2006 meeting.
V. Upcoming Environmental Advisory Council Absences
No comments.
VI. Land Use Petitions
None
VII. Old Business
A. Update members on projects
Ms. Burgeson reported that Susan Mason, Senior Environmental Specialist asked
her to note that the Keewaydin project is still scheduled to go before the Planning
Commission on July 20th.
B. Continue Proposed LDC Amendment - 2006 CYCLE 1
Dr. Hushon led discussion of two LDC Amendment Requests, one concerning
the shapes of preserves, and the second concerning allowing treated stormwater in
preserves.
Section 3.05.07.H.1.b. Minimum dimensions:
Dr. Hushon stated that the concept is to have a single contiguous preserve area
no narrower than fifty feet, and to have it approach a SFR (Shape Factor Ratio) of
1.0, which is a circle. The goal is to have preserves set aside first for protected
species and then high quality land, either upland or wetland. In big projects
suitable land can always be found to set aside because there is a big area to look at
for it. In a very small project it can be difficult to meet the criteria to set aside
preserve land. Accordingly, should a minimum project size be added (i.e., a
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project size less than some small size to be determined would have no preserve
requirement), and what might make sense for the minimum size project to be?
The alternative might be to postpone this discussion until the next Cycle.
Ms. Burgeson stated there will be an LDC process next year that will address
minimum preserve sizes and minimum size projects in relationship to the ability
to have some preserves mitigated or offsite. Not enough research has been done
to enable a final conclusion to be made concerning minimum sizes for offsite
preserves, so it was not possible to come up with the appropriate minimum sizes
for the amendment in the meeting. She suggested tabling it until the next LDC
Cycle.
Following general discussion among Committee members, Mr. Hill moved to
take the concept of a minimum size for the SFR ratio and have it looked into
more closely for small projects in the next round. Mr. Hughes seconded.
Carried unanimously 7-0.
Mr. Hill moved to require the SFR of the Preserve Area to be equal to or
greater than 0.7 (replacing the current 0.6 requirement) unless the Preserve
Area qualifies for any ofthe listed exemptions. Mr. Hughes seconded.
Carried unanimously 7-0.
SPEAKER
Nancy Payton of the Florida Wildlife Federation remarked that the Committee
is taking votes before asking for public comment. She suggested that public
comment be taken prior to voting as these comments may influence Committee
member votes.
Section 3.05.07.H.1.d. Allowable uses in preserves:
Dr. Hushon stated that this LDC Amendment Request concerns the introduction
of stormwater into wetland preserves. She noted that a number of changes that
this Committee has recommended have been added, such as a monitoring
program.
Ms. Burgeson and Mr. Chrzanowski noted that the current Amendment Request
language does not require that stormwater is fully treated before it is released into
a wetlands preserve area, but it does call for the removal of "floaters and sinkers."
Mr. Hughes asked if water quality would be sampled occasionally to determine if
there is any deeper contamination. He expressed concern about the over-
application of pesticides and herbicides, and downstream effects.
Mr. Harcourt noted that he would favor some minimum monitoring, but he also
noted that would add costs.
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Dr. Hushon stated that another option would be to require a higher engineering
standard.
Discussion followed among Committee members concerning possible monitoring
schedules and frequency.
SPEAKER
Clarence Tears - Director of Big Cypress Basin, South Florida Water
Management District, stated that the District is planning to move permitting to
Collier County under the Big Cypress Basin. They are in a transition phase now,
moving most surface water permits and code compliance locally to avoid the need
to go to Ft. Myers for these permits. He also noted that the South Florida Water
Management District is recommending that UMAM scores should be handled by
the County to prevent reliance on State agencies for unrelated local land use
decisions.
Ms. Burgeson stated that it would probably be a five-year process before County
staff could take over the UMAM scoring process. She added that perhaps training
of County staff could take place earlier so that they would be capable enough to
do UMAM scores to get through the permitting process.
Mr. Hughes opined that the South Florida Water Management District should
remain involved as a review agency, as a check and balance to insure no
improprieties take place.
SPEAKER
Bruce Lehman - Senior Ecologist with Wilson Miller stated that he was told by
County staff that the reason for the proposed code was that smaller projects are
trying to minimize their stormwater management, and some were coming forth
with putting stormwater directly into upland preserves that are being required as
part of native habitat preservation. The concern was that these areas do not
normally have standing water on them and it could hurt vegetation. He suggested
that the Code should be directed towards putting stormwater in the County only
preserves and not dual use preserves. He indicated that he had spoken with Water
Management District compliance staff who indicated that where they do
monitoring they have vegetation mortality about once a year, sometimes due to
too much water, but more often because not enough water is being put into the
preserves. He requested that the draft be modified to apply to County only
preserves and not the dual jurisdiction ERP/County preserves.
Mr. Harcourt moved to make the water quality requirements for discharge
to uplands in the stormwater discharge amendment at least equivalent to the
Water Management District's requirements for discharge to the wetlands.
Second by Mr. Hughes. Carried 6-1 with Mr. Dolan opposed.
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Mr. Dolan moved to accept the five year monitoring period language as
written in the amendment with the stipulation that the EAC will re-review
for possible water quality monitoring to be implemented at a future time.
Second by Mr. Hughes. Carried unanimously 7-0.
Barbara Burgeson noted that she had an additional issue to discuss regarding
Preserve standards, Sec. 3.05.07, which states that all preserves have to be
identified at the time of the first development order of submittal. The following
change is being recommended: Preserves on an approved PUD Master Plan may
be amended administratively so that they don't have to go through a full PUD
amendment if it is consistent with the GNPs and LDC environmental regulations
at the time of the amendment and the amendment does not exceed other
thresholds that would not permit the amendments to be done administratively.
Mr. Hughes moved to accept the recommendation described by Ms.
Burgeson with the caveat that the EAC must be notified any time that a
Preserve is amended administratively. Second by Mr. Harcourt. Carried
unanimously 7-0.
Barbara Burgeson commented that at the last EAC meeting the LDC
amendment specific to the EAC was changed to add two alternate members to
allow for the ability to maintain a quorum at meetings. Two other items need to
be cleaned up in the amendment: (1) the re-codification of the LDC that took
place a couple of years ago included a change to the appeals process that has been
completely rewritten by an unknown party, and that language needs to be returned
to the previous language, and (2) exceptions to allow an applicant to not have to
come to the EAC for review if the surface water management aspect of the
petition is being reviewed and permitted by South Florida Water Management
District. The EAC recommends adding the following language: "except to
evaluate the criteria for allowing treated stormwater to be discharged in preserves
as allowed in section 3.05.07." This would enable the EAC to review in those
circumstances where South Florida Water Management District regulations are
less restrictive than EAC regulations.
Mr. Hughes moved to accept the recommendations described by Ms.
Burgeson. Second by Mr. Harcourt. Carried unanimously 7-0.
Break 11:10 AM
Reconvened 11 :23 AM
VIII. New Business
A. DEP letter to Jim Mudd regarding GMP
Dr. Hushon commented on a Department of Environmental Protection letter to
Jim Mudd regarding GMP concerning the benefits of mangroves. The letter was
in favor of County Water Management Plans.
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B. Mirasol PUD extension
Dr. Hushon reported on the Mirasol project, a golf course community proposed to
be built in wetlands in northern Collier County. She reviewed a memorandum
that she drafted to the Collier County Board of Commissioners from the EAC
stating the following:
"The Mirasol project was initially approved prior to the appointment of
the EA C, and thus has never been reviewed by this organization. It has
been reported that after the project failed to receive a permit approval
from the USA CE, the developers have redesigned the project without the
canal and with a series of internal lakes plus 941 acres of offsite
mitigation credits.
Because of the many environmental issues involved, the hydrological
complexity of this project and the implications for other nearby
developments (Terrafina, Parklands and Olde Cypress) we are requesting
to review this project before it is evaluated by the CCBC We would
prefer that it come before you along with our recommendations rather
than without this in depth environmental review by your panel of advisors.
If you want us to review this project, please request the County staff to put
it on our August or September agenda. "
Mr. Hughes noted that this PUD came before the old EAB in 2000, and he agrees
with Dr. Hushon's proposed memo.
Ms. Student-Stirling noted that if this is a PUD extension request, additional
requirements cannot be put on the developer. In reviewing a PUD extension
request the County Commissioners would determine whether or not to extend it
for a period of time or to require a PUD amendment, which enables additional
requirements to be put on the developer.
Ms. Burgeson stated that the PUD has expired or sunsetted, so the developer has
to request a PUD extension, and she understands that the Board could place
additional requirements on the developer.
Dr. Hushon stated that the intention of her memo was to enable the EAC to
recommend to the County Commissioners whether to extend or make an
amendment.
SPEAKER
Nancy Payton - Florida Wildlife Federation stated that she is here to support
the request not to extend the PUD. She said that there are significant
environmental issues that need to be reviewed, addressed and explored by the
EAC. She noted that the Growth Management Plan has changed significantly
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since the original filing, and she went through the history of the parcel which has
gone through a number of changes since it was first proposed.
Ms. Burgeson noted that the developer was notified that the project was on
today's agenda in case they wanted a representative to attend and comment. No
representative from the developer was in attendance.
Dr. Hushon indicated that she would change her memorandum to the County
Commissioners to request that they deny the extension and require a PUD
amendment.
Ms. Burgeson noted that a memorandum is not needed, that staff will make this
part of their executive summary to the Board
Ms. Student-Stirling stated that because the Council is making a
recommendation, this topic should be moved back under section VIII. "New
Business" on the agenda.
Dr. Hushon moved to return Mirasol to "New Business" on the agenda.
Second by Mr. Horn. Carried unanimously 7-0.
Mr. Hughes moved to recommend to the County Commissioners that this
extension be denied, and to require the developer to make a PUD amendment
that would come before the EAC through the full environmental review
process. Second by Mr. Dolan. Carried unanimously 7-0.
IX. Subcommittee Reports
None
X. Council Member Comments
None
XI. Public Comments
None
There being no further business for the good ofthe County, the meeting was
adjourned by order of the Chair at 11 :52 AM.
COLLIER COUNTY EVIRONMENT AL ADVISORY COUNCIL
Chairman William Hughes
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