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April 22, 200S
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EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners sitting as the Board of Zoning
Appeals reject the recommendations of the Special Magistrate pursuant to the alternate
dispute resolution process resulting from the denial of the conditional use for the expansion
of a church (Petition CU-2004-AR-6384 - Golden Gate Congregation of Jehovah's
Witnesses, Inc.)
OBJECTIVE:
That the Board of County Commissioners (BCC) sitting as the Board of Zoning Appeals (BZA)
reject the recommendations of the Special Magistrate resulting from the mediation process
authorized by Section 70.51, Florida Statutes known as the "Florida Land Use and
Environmental Dispute Resolution Act (FLUEDRA).
CONSIDERA nONS:
Proceeding Before the Board of Zoning Appeals.
On June 26, 2007, the BCC sitting as the BZA heard the Golden Gate Congregation of Jehovah's
Witnesses, Inc. (Congregation) request for a conditional use. This request was for a church
building in addition to the church building already on the site. The motion to approve failed by a
vote of 2 to 3 and was thus denied. The reasons set forth by the BZA for the denial were:
1. Inconsistency with Policies 5.] and 5.2 of the Transportation Element of the Growth
Management Plan (relating to transportation impacts of the project).
2. Noise impacts on adjacent property owners.
3. Incompatibility with adjacent properties (day and night use by multiple
congregations).
4. Inconsistency with Golden Gate Area Master Plan (Transitional Conditional Use
standard as to lot size)
FLUEDRA Proceedings.
Subsequently, the Congregation filed its Request for Relief with the County on or about August
9,2007. The County filed its Response on or about August 10,2007. A Special Magistrate was
selected by the parties and a hearing on the matter was held before the Special Magistrate on
October 5, 2007. Present and participating at the hearing were the Congregation pastor and
members as well as Congregation planning, engineering and legal representatives; planning and
legal representatives of the County; and neighboring property owners, specifically Mr. Jeff
Raimer and Mr. Patrick Purnell. The participants were unable to reach an acceptable solution
that could be recommended to the Board at the hearing.
At the conclusion of the hearing, the Special Magistrate directed that a revised site plan be
prepared that would do the following:
1.
2.
Remove the proposed berm.
Relocate the parking area to the side of the site nearest the County park property.
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3. Locate a wall around the parking lot and church building and building area as shown
on the attached site plan.
4. Locatc buffering and preserve areas between the wall and the property line as shown
on the attached site plan.
The Special Magistrate continued the proceeding to allow time for the revisions to be made to
the site plan and for review by County planning staff and also for review by the Special
Magistrate. The hearing was reconvened on February 28, 2008 to allow for any additional
questions the Special Magistrate may have had as a rcsult of his review of the amended site plan.
Subsequently, the Special Magistrate issued his Rccommendation on March 15, 2008.
Specifically he recommends that:
I. County purchase of the church site from the Congregation, or
2. Congregation purchase of the Raimer property at fair market value, or
3. ]f none of the above solutions could result in a timely resolution of the matter, then
that the County grant thc conditional use as depicted on thc amcnded site plan.
FISCAL IMPACT: Should the matter be litigated, there will be costs associated with the
litigation.
GROWTH MANAGEMENT IMPACT: None
LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS: Based on the Special Magistrate's findings (attach cd to this
Executive Summary), the BCC sitting as the BZA may accept, accept with modifications or
reject the recommendation of the Special Magistrate. If the BZA approves the conditional use
aspect of the recommendation or approves the conditional use with modifications, it will be
brought back to the BZA in the form of a resolution on the consent agenda. If the
recommendation is rejected, the local government must provide a written decision within 30
days that describes as specifically as possible the use or uses available to the subject real
property.
It is believed that the BZA's denial of the petition for conditional use is legally defensible.
RECOMMENDATION: That the Board of County Commissioners sitting as the Board of
Zoning Appeals reject the recommendation of the Special Magistrate in the mediation
proceeding for Petition CU-2004-AR-6384 - Golden Gate Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.
PREPARED BY: M81jorie M. Student-Stirling, Assistant County Attorney
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COLLIER COUNTY
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Item Number:
Item Summary:
12A
Meeting Date:
This item to be heard at 11 :15 a.m. Recommendation that the Board of County
Commissioners sitting as the Board of Zoning Appeals reject the recommendations of the
Special Magistrate pursuant to the alternate dispute resolution process resulting from the
denial of the conditional use for the expansion of a church. (Petition CU~2004MAR-6384 -
Golden Gate Congregation of Jehovahs Witnesses, Inc.)
4/22/20089:00:00 AM
Prepared By
Marjorie M. Student-Stirling Assistant County Attorney
Date
County Attorney County Attorney Office
4/9/20087:59:53 AM
Approved By
Jeff Klatzkow
Assistant County Attorney
Date
County Attorney
County Attorney Office
4/9/20083:29 PM
Approved By
OMS Coordinator
OMB Coordinator
Date
County Manager's Office
Office of Management & Budget
4/9/20084:27 PM
Approved By
Mark Isackson
Budget Analyst
Date
County Manager's Office
Office of Management & Budget
4/10/20088:55 AM
Approved By
Leo E. Ochs, Jr.
Board of County
Commissioners
Deputy County Manager
Date
County Manager's Office
4/11/20082:45 PM
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EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
CU-2004-AR-6384 Golden Gate Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, represented hy
Mike Landy, of Landy Engineering, Inc. requesting a Conditional Use in the Estates zoning
district for an additional church building punuant to Table 2 of Section 2.04.03 of the
Collier County Land Development Code. The proposed Conditional Use will replace the
existing CU-96-12 (E) Ordinance Number 97-440. The new church building is proposed to
be 4,400 square feet. The property, consisting of 5.15 acres, is localed at 3480 Golden Gate
Boulevard S.W., Tract 81, Golden Gate Estates Unit No.4, in Section 11, Township 49
South, Range 26 East, Naples, Florida
OBJECTIVE:
Staff is requesting that the Board of Zoning Appeals (BZA) review staffs fmdings and
recommendations along with the recommendations of the Collier County Planning Commission
(CCPe) regarding the above referenced Conditional Use petition and render a decision regarding
the petition.
CONSIDERATIONS:
On October 22, 1996, the BZA approved a Conditional Use (See Resolution 97-440, Exhibit 2)
for the subject 5. I 5-acre site, which comprises an existing 4,] 36 square-foot church and attached
pastor's quarters, paved parking area, native vegetation, and storm water management areas. The
Petitioner now seeks a Conditional Use for an additional church building having an area of 4,400
square feet at this current location of3480 Golden Gate Boulevard. The new church huilding will
be located twenty feet south of the existing House of Worship and attached existing Pastor's
Quarters. A total of 153 parking spaces are proposed to meet the minimum requirement of ] 53
spaces for the proposed 356 seats. Access to the church buildings and parking area will continue
from the Max Hasse County Park entrance drive, and a secondary entrance from I" Avenue S. W.
will be restricted for emergency vehicles only (See Conditional Use Master Plan, Exhibit 3).
Nineteen percent (.97 acres) is proposed for natural vegetation preserve area Fifteen-foot Type
"B" landscape buffers are proposed along the west side property line, and a ten- foot Type "D"
buffer is proposed to be provided along the adjoining I st Avenue S. W. street frontage. It should
be noted that the County has taken the north 65 feet of this property as part of the Golden Gate
Boulevard road-widening project
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On July ]9, 2005, Mike Landy, engineer and owner of Landy Engineering, Inc., and
representative of Golden Gate Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses Inc., requested a
continuance from the July 26, 2005 BZA meeting to September I], 2005 meeting. Tbe County
Manager's Office requested that the applicant agree to schedule their petition for October II,
2005. Mr. Landy agreed to schedule the Golden Gate Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
Conditional Use petition to the October 26, 2005 BCC meeting. On October 13, 2005, Mike
Landy, fonnally requested an indefinite continuance for the above referenced petition (AR-
6384). Tbe owners have hired an attorney to help represent them (Ms. Deborah Stewart) and
have met with the Golden Gate Estates Civic Association on Wednesday, May 16,2007. The
Golden Gate Estates Civic Association met with Ms. Stewart and did not express any objections
about the proposed conditional use request, but did recommend that they meet again about this
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request and have the adjoining residential property owner, which was out of town for this
meeting, meet to review the proposed request. Staff will update the BCC of the outcome of this
meeting at the June 26, 2007 BCC meeting.
FISCAL IMPACT:
The new additional church building, by and of itself, will have no fiscal impact on Collier
County. There is no guarantee that the project, at build out, will maximize its authorized level of
development, however, if the Conditional Use is approved, a portion of the existing land will be
developed and the new development will result in an impact on Collier County public facilities.
The County collects all applicable impact fees before the issuance of building permits to help
offset the impacts of each new development on public facilities. These impact fees are used to
fund identified projects in the Growth Management Plan Capital Improvement Element as
needed to maintain adopted Levels of Service (LOS) for public facilities. Additionally, in order
to meet the requirements of Section 1O.02.07(C) of the Land Development Code, fifty percent
(50%) of the estimated Transportation Impact Fees associated with the project are required to be
paid simultaneously with the approval of each final local development order. Other fees
collected before the issuance of a building permit include building permit review fees and utility
fees associated with connecting to the County's water and sewer system.
GROWTH MANAGEMENT IMPACT:
Approval of this Conditional Use will not affect or change the requirements of the Growth
Management Plan (GMP).
ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES:
The Environmental Service Department staWs analysis indicates that the subject property
consists of no significant environmental conditions. There are no environmental issues associated
with the project.
ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COUNCIL lEACl RECOMMENDATION:
The Environmental Advisory Council (EAC) did not review this petition because the subject
property did not exceed the minimum area requirement (ten-acres) and/or the environmental
sensitivity of requiring review by EAC.
COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION (CCPC) RECOMMENDATION:
The Collier County Planning Commission (CCPC) reviewed this petition at their regular meeting
of July 7, 2005. By a vote of 5 to I, the CCPC recommended to forward petition CU-2004-AR-
6384 to the Board of Zoning Appeals (BZA) with a recommendation of approval subject to staff
stipulations and the following conditions:
1. A Type "BOO buffer, which includes a six-fuot tall wall on top of a three-foot tall berm,
shall be provided along the western property line consistent with the Land Development
Code requirements, which includes irrigation and maintenance.
2. A Type "D" buffer shall be provided along the southern property line.
3. The access to I" Ave. S.W. shall be restricted by a gate to emergency vehicles only.
4. The southern most parking stalls shall be constructed with grass pavers.
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LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS:
Staff completed a comprehensive evaluation of this land use petition and the criteria on which a
determination by the BZA must be based. The legal considerations are reflected in the CCPC
evaluation of the listed criteria in Chapters 10.03.05 and 10.02.13.B.5 of the LDC. These
evaluations are completed as separate documents that have been incorporated into the attached
staff report. A summary of the legal considerations and findings are noted below:
. The proposed change has been deemed consistent with the goals, objectives, and policies
of the Future Land Use Map and the applicable elements of the Growth Management
Plan (GMP).
. The proposed land uses are compatible with the existing land use pattern.
. The proposed change will not create or excessively increase traffic congestion or create
types of traffic deemed incompatible with surrounding land uses because of peak
volumes or projected types of vehicular traffic, including activity during construction
phases of the development, or otherwise affect public safety. This project has also been
deemed consistent with Policies 5.1 and 5.2 oftbe Traffic Element of the GMP.
. The timing or sequence of development for the purpose of assuring the adequacy of
available improvements and facilities, both public and private, shall be provided.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION:
Staff recommends that the Board of Zoning Appeals approve Petition CU-2004-AR-6384,
subject to the CCPC recommended conditions of approval, as noted above, along with the
following staff stipulations:
I. The Director of the Department of Zoning and Land Development Review may approve
minor changes in the location, siting or height of buildings, structures, and improvements
authorized by this Conditional Use. Expansion of the uses identified and approved within
this Conditional Use application or major changes to the Site Plan, submitted as part of
this application, shall require the submittal of a new Conditional Use application and
shall comply with all applicable County ordinances in effect at the time of submittal,
including Division 10.02.03, Site Development Review and Approval of the Collier
County Land Development Code (Ordinance 2004-41).
2. The Conditional Use approval to allow a church building is limited to the Site Plan
identified as "Golden Gate Boulevard House of Worship," prepared by Landy
Engineering, stamped "Receiyed 7/12/05".
3. A six-foot-wide sidewalk shall be constructed from the sidewalk along Max Hasse Park
Drive to the existing church building prior to the issuance of the Certificate of Occupancy
for the new church building.
PREPARED BY:
Michael J. DeRuntz, C.F.M., Principal Planner
Department of Zoning & Land Development Review
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MR. MUDD: -- and you're approving the DCA with the added
stipulations that we've put on the record, 10E.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: That's correct, okay. And you agree?
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Yes, in the motion.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: And the second agrees. Okay. And
with that, all those in favor of the motion as amended so many times,
indicate by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: And the ayes have it, 5-0.
Congratulations, you're the proud parent of a mining operation.
Item #7 A
RESOLUTION OF DENIAL 2007-170: CU-2004-AR-6384
GOLDEN GATE CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S
WITNESSES, REPRESENTED BY MIKE LANDY, OF LANDY
ENGINEERING, INC. REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE IN
THE ESTATES ZONING DISTRICT FOR AN ADDITIONAL
CHURCH BUILDING PURSUANT TO TABLE 2 OF SECTION
2.04.03 OF THE COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT
CODE. THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE WILL REPLACE
THE EXISTING CU-96-12 (E) RESOLUTION NUMBER 97-440.
THE NEW CHURCH BUILDING IS PROPOSED TO BE 4,400
SQUARE FEET. THE PROPERTY, CONSISTING OF 5.15
ACRES, IS LOCATED AT 3480 GOLDEN GATE BOULEVARD
S.W., TRACT 81, GOLDEN GATE ESTATES UNIT NO.4, IN
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SECTION 11, TOWNSHIP 49 SOUTH, RANGE 26 EAST,
NAPLES, FLORIDA - MOTION TO DENY - MOTION FAILED
FOR LACK OF MAJORITY; MOTION FOR APPROVAL
W/STIPULATIONS TO 4 NIGHTS A WEEK - DENIED
MR. MUDD: Commissioners, that brings us to board of zoning
appeals. This item is 7 A. This item requires that all participants be
sworn in and ex parte disclosure be provided by commission
members.
It's conditional use 2004-AR-6384, Golden Gate Congregation of
Jehovah's Witnesses represented by Mike Landy of Landy
Engineering, Inc., requesting a conditional use in the Estates zoning
district for an additional church building pursuant to table II of section
2.04.03 ofthe Collier County Land Development Code.
The proposed conditional use will replace the existing
conditional use 96-12, parens E. And I want to make this correction.
It says, ordinance number 97-440. It's resolution number 97-440.
The new church building is proposed to be 4,400 square feet. The
property consisting of 5.15 acres is located at 4380 Golden Gate
Boulevard Southwest, Tract 81, Golden Gate Estates, unit number
four, in Section 11, Township 49 south, Range 26 east, Naples,
Florida.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Oh, I'm sorry. All those wishing to
participate in this particular agenda item, stand at this time to be sworn
in by the court stenographer.
(The speakers were duly sworn.)
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. And for--
MR. MUDD: Ex parte.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: -- ex parte disclosure on the part of
the commissioners, let's start with Commissioner Coyle.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Mr. Chairman, I have received a
number of emails and telephone calls in support of this petition, and I
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have not spoken with any of the petitioners directly.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. Commissioner Halas?
COMMISSIONER HALAS: I have had a lot of correspondence,
I've had also a lot of email in regards to this item, and everything that
was presented -- I believe I got tons of emails in here, people that are
parishioners there, and they're all here for anybody to look at.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. And I, myself, have had
correspondence, numerous emails, I met with Mike Landy, Mike
Cassady, Jeff Raimer, Joe Schmitt, Mark Strain, and Mark Teeters in
the past on this particular subject.
Commissioner Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. I have many emails and
correspondence, and I have them all on file for anybody's viewing.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Mr. Chairman, I received some
emails, several emails, and written correspondence on this topic, and
that's it.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. Thank you, please continue.
MS. STEWART: Good afternoon, Chairman, Commissioners.
Obviously let me clarify first, I am not Mike Landy. Mike Landy is
sitting behind me. My name is Deborah Stewart and I'm an attorney,
and I'm representing the Golden Gate Congregation of Jehovah's
Witnesses.
And first we want to thank you for allowing us to appear here
before you today.
As was read into the record, we're here on a petition for a
conditional use of property that is already owned by the congregation.
They own approximately five acres. The address is on 3480 Golden
Gate Boulevard.
They currently have one house of worship constructed. It has
been there for several years. The petition today involves permission to
construct a second house of worship on the five acres that they have
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there.
They have -- the petition complies with all the local county land
use plans, including the Collier County code, the Collier County
Growth Management Plan, and the Golden Gate Area Master Plan as
well.
The application meets the criteria for a conditional use. It's
currently zoned Estates, and religious facility, church facility, is
allowable as a conditional use in an Estates zone.
Of course we'd like to think that it's going to promote the public
health, safety, welfare, and morals of the community. And they have
also complied with all of the other legal requirements as far as notice,
neighborhood information meeting. They have received approval for
this site plan by the Collier County Planning Commission, as we're
going to show in a few minutes. This site plan has actually been
enhanced somewhat since it has been approved by the Collier County
Planning Commission.
As far as I know the staff has also approved the petition, and
we've had no suggestions or requirements come back to us for the staff
prior to this, or if they did make a decision, we followed it and,
therefore, we believe that the evidence will show that this petitioner
has complied with all the conditions set forth in the zoning code and,
therefore, that -- we respectfully request that you approve their
petition.
Obviously we have many members of the congregation here.
Not all of them, I do not believe, will be speaking, but several of the
members of the congregation are here to show their support.
And with that, unless you have any particular questions, Mr.
Landy, the drawer of the site plan, will probably address the more
technical questions regarding landscaping and the buffers and those
things that the congregation has agreed to implement to appease the
immediate neighbors, especially concerns regarding noise, traffic, and
other things I'm sure you'll hear about.
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CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Can you tell me your meeting that
you held a couple weeks ago with the neighbors, one that was
requested at the Golden Gate Estates Civic Association meeting, what
happened at that meeting?
MS. STEWART: There was a meeting back in May, the meeting
May 16th in front of the homeowners association, or the secondary
neighborhood -- informal neighborhood association meeting.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: This was the second -- this was the
latest one. It was an informal meeting. One that you agreed to after --
MS. STEWART: Informal meeting? Oh, the one that we agreed
to at the association.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: That's correct.
MS. STEWART: If! may back up for the other commissioners,
at one point sometime early this year, we made contact with the new
board of the Golden Gate Estates Homeowners Association and we
made a presentation in front of them.
At that meeting, as the chairman is referring to, it was suggested
that we conduct yet another informal neighborhood association
meeting, sent out invitations to the immediately surrounding
neighbors, which we did. And that meeting was held, I believe, June
7th.
And at that meeting, there was agreement on the part of our client
to increase the berm, landscape buffering. And you'll see that as a
matter of fact, instead of just building a berm, wall, and landscaping
on the east side of the property that's directly between their property
and their next-door neighbor, they further agreed at this meeting in
question to also put up a wall and I believe a berm and vegetation
landscaping on their border that borders 1 st A venue Southwest.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Now, did this satisfY all the
neighbors, your immediate neighbors?
MS. STEWART: Well, I'll let them speak for themselves, but as
far as I know, the answer is yes, obviously short of withdrawing the
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petition altogether. I mean, everything was listened to. As far as I
know everything was agreed to that evening, yes, Mr. Chairman.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Yeah. Because the reason you're here
now and we couldn't proceed the last time is because we made -- ran
into a major obstacle with your immediate neighbors objecting to
what's taking place. So rather than get a possible denial, you asked for
a continuance. I believe that's how it all worked.
MS. STEWART: That is correct.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: And you're here today, two years
later, is it?
MS. STEWART: It's about a year and a halflater, that is correct,
Mr. Chairman. And quite frankly, in the year and a half, we have
done many things. In addition to the two meetings that we just
discussed, there was another informal neighborhood information
meeting. I believe that was somewhere in the fall, late winter of2005.
That would have been directly after the Planning Commission gave its
approval with the understanding that there would still be some
concerns with the neighbors. Invitations were sent out by my clients,
and no one appeared. No one from the neighborhood appeared at that
particular meeting. This was late fall, early winter, 2005.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Yeah, I understand that some of them
had some conflicts with their own schedules --
MS. STEWART: Oh, absolutely, of course.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: -- and couldn't make it. I mean, it's
not a -- I don't want to give anybody -- it was the idea of a lack of
interest. It wasn't.
MS. STEWART: Not at all, Mr. Chairman. The year 2006,
quite frankly, was spent -- I had contacted a couple other companies in
town quite honestly. I had a conversation with a past board director of
the Golden Gate Estates area's homeowners association. It was rather
discouraging, quite honestly. And so we just waited. Seemed like the
time was right earlier this year, and here we are.
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CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Fine. No, I'm glad you're going
through the process and I'm glad everybody's participating in it. I'm
going to want to -- very specially will be listening very carefully to the
immediate property owners around there to see if we've -- if you had
met their concerns. And if you have, I think you'll find my support
will be there for you.
MS. STEWART: Thank you. Appreciate that. I have no
objection if you wanted to call them up at this point.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: If it -- I think we could do that --
MS. STEWART: If that's not out of order.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: I'm sorry. Commissioner--
MS. STEWART: Unless anyone has any questions, the
commISSIoners --
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Yes.
MS. STEWART: -- that personally visited the project
themselves --
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Yeah. Commissioner Henning has a
question.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Do you agree with the Planning
Commission's stipulations?
MS. STEWART: I'm sorry. As a matter of fact -- I'm sorry,
Commissioner. Yes, we did, and as I mentioned earlier, we've even
enhanced the recommendations that they required. The site plan today
-- and I think that Mr. Landy can show you a progression of what the
Planning Commission approved and what we stand here today asking
you to approve.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: What I heard is you enhanced it,
so that doesn't necessarily agree that -- mean that you agree with them,
but --
MS. STEWART: We agree with them, and later -- subsequent to
that, the immediate neighbors requested even additional protections
against noise, traffic, and lights, all of which we agreed to.
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COMMISSIONER HENNING: Do you -- do you have another
petition coming up shortly?
MS. STEWART: No, I don't, Mr. Henning.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay.
MS. STEWART: If! may, sometimes I'm confused with another
attorney in town, Pamela Stewart. I'm Deborah Stewart. I get that a
lot, so I don't know ifthat's what you're thinking, but I have --
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. Why don't we go ahead and
call the speakers up.
MS. FILSON: Okay, Mr. Chairman. I have--
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: We'll get to staff, but we might be
able to get there a little bit quicker. With your permission, I'd like to
proceed with the speakers.
MS. FILSON: I have nine speakers. The first one Pat
Humphries. She'll be followed by Rolando Diaz.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. And it would help a lot, too,
that if you are an immediate neighbor, if you would so identify
yourself when you get up -- when you get up.
Ms. Humphries, please continue.
MS. HUMPHRIES: My name is Pat Humphries. I am a
resident of the Estates and a former director of the Golden Gate
Estates Civic Association for 10 years.
When this project was originally proposed to the Board of
County Commissioners, it was opposed by the members of the Golden
Gate Estates Civic Association and a resident who lived across the
street from the proposed project.
The resident's objections stemmed from the knowledge of
Jehovah's Witnesses' characteristic to have multiple meetings in their
church that take place every night of the week as well as weekends.
With this in mind, the Board of County Commissioners approved the
petition with the stipulation that only two congregations meet in the
178-seat building.
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At last count, there are five congregations meeting five nights a
week and twice on Sunday, a far cry from the original stipulations
dictated by the Board of County Commissioners.
The environment is filled with traffic, traffic noise, loud talking,
and a general disruption of the neighbors' peace and quiet.
Now we have a petition before you for an expansion which was
also turned down in 2005 by the members of the Golden Gate Estates
Civic Association. I understand there is some question as to whether
this property was even eligible for conditional use in the first place
since it's over five acres.
Instead of spending so much money on a three-foot berm and a
six-foot fence, I suggest the Jehovah Witness buy property in the
newly released northeast section of North Belle Meade and raise the
money for a new Kingdom Hall. There is a new school planned for
that area, so it would be ideal.
I feel compelled to add that one of the problems that civic
associations face is when a special interest group joins for the express
purpose of promoting their own personal project. Unfortunately, once
their mission is accomplished, they aren't likely to be seen again.
So I would respectfully request that you do not approve this
expansion. Thank you.
MS. FILSON: The next speaker is Rolando Diaz. He'll be
followed by Jeff Raimer.
MR. DIAZ: Hello, my name is Rolando Diaz. I'm a member of
the Jehovah Witnesses' Congregation at Golden Gate.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: If you can tilt the mike up a little bit
MR. DIAZ: Oh, okay.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: -- so you don't have to bend over to it.
MR. DIAZ: All right. I'm just going to clarify a few things
about the words spoken in the last meetings that happened, and one of
them was about community service, what do Jehovah Witnesses
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provide to the community?
Well, one of them, we've been known historically to help out
during critical times, during Hugo in 1989, during Andrew in 1992.
We were actually one of the first to be in response to the community
to help them out. And also during Katrina, during Wilma here in
Naples, and helping all of the coast. We're known to help out our
community and -- special times and special needs.
And an extra Kingdom Hall there doesn't mean more people. It
actually means more people to help the community in the way -- not
only when a natural disaster occurs, but also in helping how to learn if
-- how to read if they don't know how to read or write, if they don't
know how to write, and these are things that we don't charge money
for, we do actually these things from our heart. We do these things
freely to the community, and these are just things that will actually
benefit everybody in the community, not just us. Thank you.
MS. FILSON: Thank you. Jeff Raimer. He'll be followed by
Ralph Case.
MR. RAIMER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Commissioners.
Good afternoon, and thank you for allowing the neighborhood to voice
their opinions on this proposed expansion.
My name is Jeff Raimer. I live at 3521 1st Avenue Southwest,
the house immediately adjacent to the west of the Jehovah Witness
hall. For years our neighborhood has had to listen to noise at night
from horns, the car alarms going off, loud social activities, and
activities associated with what, in essence, is a commercial form of
use.
I could be off a day, but I do believe the folks meet six nights a
week, until 9:30 or 10 o'clock each evening, which may not always be
the same congregation, but someone is meeting in that church each
night, six nights a week.
My wife and I are 100 percent against the expansion of the
Jehovah Witness Kingdom Hall, regardless of what you're going to
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hear today . We want to keep what views we have and not have our
lives further disrupted by parking lots and lights.
When we bought our -- when we purchased our home, we had
Exhibit A, and now they want to add Exhibit A and Exhibit B, which
we didn't sign up for when we bought that. We knew the church was
there at the beginning.
We realize that you as county commissioners, you hold the fate
or our neighborhood in your hands, and I ask that you do not grant this
expansion. In 1997, when this property was before the county
commissioners to build the current building, the applicants stated that
they would have two congregations along with sharing their hall with
a Spanish congregation.
In fact, Commissioner Matthews made a note of pointing out that
there would only be two congregations at this hall and one would be
Spanish. The Jehovahs agreed.
In 2005 they have five congregations. Each congregation has
approximately 100 parishioners with a hall that seats 187 people.
How many congregations could they have if this application were to
pass? If this is a conditional use request for a use that is not
something provided by right, this request is inconsistent with the
Golden Gate Master Area Plan due to its size. It is incompatible with
the neighborhood noise, safety concerns for our residents and our
children, and is certainly not a use that in any way is complementary
to the very neighborhood in which it is being requested.
The Planning Commission by a majority vote voted to
recommend the approval of this application; however, it should be
noted that the planning -- only Planning Commissioner who lives in
Golden Gate Estates, Mark Strain, did vote against the application.
He was also the chairman of the most recent Golden Gate Area Master
Plan Committee.
By majority vote, the Planning Commission recommended that
the west side of your pro -- of our -- your property from property line
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to property line, must have a three-foot berm and a six-foot masonry
wall, which is to be landscaped on both sides, and the south end of the
property, which is on 1 st Avenue Southwest.
They have now added a wall to the south at the request of the
neighborhood meeting recent meeting that she had spoke about;
however, if this is -- this conditional use is destined to pass with your
vote, I would like it to be on record that my wife and I, along with the
rest of the neighbors, want the Planning Commission's
recommendations for the landscape berm along -- wall along the entire
property, west and south sides -- I'll make it quick -- along with the
stipulations that the wall be built before the construction of the hall is
-- proceeds, which we have agreed to.
I would also like to add that I have a signed petition from just
about every neighbor that I could track down in the neighborhood,
which we have about 15 homes. I have about 12 -- 10 to 12 signed
petitions that are totally against the expansion of this project.
I thank you very much for your time and consideration for our
neighborhood. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay, sir. I think you're probably the
only representative of the neighborhood here today?
MR. RAIMER: There's a couple more.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay, fine. I'll wait to address this
with them.
MR. RAIMER: Okay.
MS. FILSON: The next speaker is Ralph Case. He'll be followed
by Ruben Guadalupe.
MR. CASE: My name is Ralph Case. I am one of the Jehovah's
Witnesses. I am actually what they call a circuit overseer. My
responsibility is to supervise the activity of over 20 of our
congregations. Most of them are here in Naples.
I personally wasn't planning to be here this afternoon for this
meeting due to the favorable response that I heard that we had with
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our public meeting, the additional meeting that was requested;
however, yesterday I did receive a copy of our neighbor's notice of
pleas regarding inviting the community to show up for this meeting
where he's asking them to oppose the project.
That was quite a surprise to us in the sense that it seemed
favorable at the previous meeting, and it was a surprise to the ones
who are taking the lead in this consideration.
We have truly believed that the Scriptures say that we should be
-- that our reasonableness be known to all, and so in everything
basically that they have asked us to do to show them consideration in
this manner, we have agreed to do it, and gone beyond what the city
(sic) itself has asked us to do.
Basically this is a church, and other members have mentioned the
benefit of this church or will mention it, and I don't think we have to
explain that a lot, the benefits of the church. Many of you, without a
doubt, are God-believing people. The seal that we have right here
says, In God We Trust.
Churches have long been a center of community, just as
important as schools, fire stations, libraries. It benefits the
community, it benefits the families, the youth, are multiple. And a
church should meet the needs of its community that it serves.
This commission, without a doubt has approve -- was responsible
for approving the Catholic church that's on Vanderbilt and Weber
Road, which I believe is probably close to a 20,000-square-foot
project that's there, to meet the needs of the community that's in the
Estates area.
We're only asking for an additional 4,000 square foot, and doing
everything possible to meet the needs of our neighbors and, at the
same time, meet the needs of our parishioners that are in the area, the
Estates area, our current needs that we have.
We realize that there has been growth in that area because the
people have moved in. The meeting prior to this is stating the needs in
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your plans to expand or build out the infrastructure, taking into
consideration future needs of the area.
So we have parishioners that are in that area. We're trying to
serve the needs of our community that are there.
As far as some of the objections that they have, I personally live
at the 3480 Golden Gate building site. The noise. I hear noise from
the neighbors also, their children. They have also -- some of the
neighbors have a golf cart, they ride up and down the street. We see
it. We see the traffic there that comes from the school right there that
-- an expansion's been added to that.
Traffic that backs out past the -- our neighbor's house in the
morning. Far more traffic, far more noise from the park that's across
the street, the Max House (sic) project that's there. Our footprint is
very small in the community. Most of our parishioners enter in from
the Golden Gate area. There.- some might come up Weber Road, but
that vast majority enter there. We've taken into consideration the
neighbors.
As far as noise, I personally live there. I might hear parking,
sound from a car. My own car personally does it, makes a beep when
I park it and lock the door, but I think it's all within a reasonable
amount.
I personally have never been bothered being -- living there
myself by the noise. I hardly hear it myself; however, again, we're
more than willing to take into consideration our neighbors'
circumstances and be reasonable in doing that.
MS. FILSON: The next speaker is Ruben Guadalupe. He'll be
followed by Mike Casady.
MR. GUADALUPE: Yes, my name is Ruben Guadalupe, and
I'm a member of the Jehovah Witness Spanish congregation. I'm a
father too. I got two children, one girl, one boy. They are behind me.
And I just want to let you know that even though we live like in a
paradise in Naples, it's been great for me for the past 20 years in this
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city; and raising my kids in this city, they endure pressure in the
school. Have to deal with morality, have to deal with drugs, have to
deal with a lot of choices they have to make.
The fact that they have this Biblical education in the Kingdom
Hall has helped them grow spiritually just as well as physically, and
face those pressures, good -- in being a good citizen right now.
They are good examples of this community, in school and at
home and the way that they go out and preach to the other people in
this community.
So I just want to let you guys know, understand, that it's very
important for our youth and for us as a Spanish community, too, to
have Kingdom Hall because we don't only go over there to listen. We
go over there to learn and to change our way of living so we can
improve in helping other people.
And my children, Ruben and Melanie, they have their papers
over there. I don't know if you want to listen to them right now, so
you can see the importance for them as kids to have this place, spread
Jehovah.
MS. FILSON: The next speaker is Mike Casady. He'll be
followed by Ruben Guadalupe.
MR. CASADY: Good afternoon, Chairman and commissioner
board. We really appreciate you meeting with us this afternoon and
going over this important information.
This is a very important project for us, as you've heard already
from some of the other members of Jehovah's Witnesses, that it has
many good effects on the neighborhood, the community, morals. We
pay our taxes, and it's a great training program that we offer for the
members of the church that we have to become outstanding citizens in
Collier County.
And it has rubbed off on our businesses, the people that we work
for, the companies that we've worked for, have good
recommendations, things that we have learned and are teaching at the
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Kingdom Hall, the instruction that we get has rubbed off and carried
over into our businesses and infrastructure of business that we have in
Collier County. So we appreciate you hearing us.
The building size is, as mentioned, 4,400 square feet, isn't a big
building. In fact, it's just a little bit bigger than this room. Probably a
few feet wider and a few feet longer than this room. So it's not a
gigantic building. It's got a low-profile single story, hip roof, and it's
all colored to the colors of earth tone colors, light green, brown roof
and so forth. It blends in real good with the landscaping that's there.
And we did agree to the wall on the south side, and that's fine, at
our June 7th meeting, and we had several neighbors at that meeting,
probably 10 or 12 neighbors, and we've come to a conclusion that they
wanted the wall on the south side. We agreed to that. And with the
additional landscaping and the hedge and so forth inside, outside, and
we agreed to that. I mean, we shook hands together; we thought we
had a great agreement for this petition to pass.
MS. FILSON: Ruben Guadalupe. He'll be followed by Melanie
Guadalupe.
MR. GUADALUPE: Hi. My name is Ruben Guadalupe, Jr. My
dad just spoke. And I want to point out that there are positives to
building the Kingdom Hall, and not only for us but for everybody in
the community.
Since I was little, I've been raised believing that God is always
watching, and just keeping this in mind, it's kept me out of a lot of
problems and helped me get through difficult situations.
I can say the same for my friends in the congregation. Besides our
responsibilities in the congregation, we also hang out together and
support each other, and it helps us keep out of trouble.
And building the Kingdom Hall, besides making everything less
crowded for us, will also give us a place to keep growing spiritually
and continue spreading hope to people who need it like we do.
MS. FILSON: Melanie Guadalupe. She'll be followed by
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Patrick Burnell (sic).
MS. GUADALUPE: Hi, I'm Melanie Guadalupe. I think. the
Kingdom Hall should be built for many good reasons. I have learned
throughout my life that God rejoices when we follow his principles,
and he also helps us do so, and especially us young people in the
world, it is very hard for us, but he knows and understands our
troubles and our difficulties that we are presented with, and also being
able to have someone to talk to and we can confide in that's always
there helps me and others in the congregation to make good decisions.
And I think. that -- I mean, I love to spread the good hope that
Jehovah has given us for the future. And by having a new Kingdom
Hall, we will have the space to do so. Thank you.
MS. FILSON: The next speaker is Patrick Purnell.
MR. PURNELL: Chairman, Commissioners, I apologize for my
informal dress. I had other things to do this morning.
The concerns that I have -- I am the property directly across from
1st Avenue Southwest. One concern I have is the two congregations
that were supposed to be in the existing building and now is five.
How many more are going to go in there? And it doesn't seem
anybody's answered that question.
The gate that's gone on 1 st A venue, the agreement that we made
on our last meeting is that it would only be used for emergency
vehicles. What kind of enforcement? I mean, how do we know that's
what it's all going to be used for?
I understand we have the word of the congregation. We also say
-- they also said they were only going to have two congregations
there, too.
And as far as other meetings in the past, I've never been
personally notified by mail or any other way by the congregation. Mr.
Raimer is the only one that ever advised me.
They're the only points I wanted to make. Thank you very much.
MS. FILSON: That was your final speaker, Mr. Chairman.
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CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Before you go away, sir.
MR. PURNELL: Yes.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: If you could, please, a couple
questions. How long have you lived at this present address?
MR. PURNELL: I don't live there. I own the property there. I
was going to build a house there, sir.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. And do you find the idea of
the improvements they're planning to make is satisfactory?
MR. PURNELL: I haven't seen the new plans. I saw the plans
on June 7th. Ifthey agreed to everything we talked about -- if you're
going to approve it, you know, I want it approved by what we had
talked about on June 7th.
I do -- my only -- the only real question I have is, like I said, the
existing building was approved for two congregations, and now five
are there. Now we're going to build another 4,000 feet. Does that
mean that 10 congregations will be there?
And then all of a sudden that gate that's only going to be used for
emergency vehicles is going to be opened for more traffic to go out
onto I st A venue Southwest.
Now, I bought that property, obviously, with the park there and
the school and the church the way it is now. I don't know that we
need any more -- more traffic or more people, more congregations. It's
. . . t
Just gomg to -- It s --
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Thank you.
MR. PURNELL: It might be too much.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: We -- at this point in time, do we
have anything from staff to offer?
MR. MUDD: I believe Mr. Reischl (sic) has a couple items he
has to put on the record. Anything, Fred?
Mike, sorry.
MR. DeRUNTZ: For the record, Mike DeRuntz. I'm the
Principal Planner with Department of Zoning Land Development
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Review and Comprehensive Planning.
The -- there was a neighborhood information meeting on January
the 20th, 2005, and you've heard there was a series of requests for
continuations, that this petition did not come forward to the Board of
Appeals.
The -- they have met with the association and they have listened
to them and tried to address the needs of the -- that was expressed by
the board.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Did they get the approval vote from
the Golden Gate Estates Civic Association?
MR. DeRUNTZ: They -- at the first meeting they had their
support, but they wanted to have that second meeting with the
neighbors, and it is my understanding that at that meeting they
addressed the concerns that the neighbors had.
So I don't think there was ever a vote by the association, but they
seemed to be, from my understanding from the -- from Deborah, that
the -- that they were supportive of this.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Wait. I was there at the meeting.
There was never a vote taken to indicate there was support. There was
a couple of people that offered support.
MR. DeRUNTZ: Right.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: A number of people from the church
in the audience. In fact, I think it was about 60 some. It was probably
the biggest crowd we've ever had. It was an impressive crowd.
MR. DeRUNTZ: Right.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: But once the issue was over with,
they left. We were hoping to get them as members. That's neither
here nor there. But I didn't want anybody misled that the Golden Gate
Civic Association took a formal vote and got approval. They did not.
MR. DeRUNTZ: Right. I didn't say they took a vote.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: That never came up. The last time a
vote was taken was many years ago. At that time it was voted against.
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And you know, I just want to make sure the record's in proper
perspective to what we're going into.
Is there anything else you have to offer?
MR. DeRUNTZ: That the CCPC voted on July the 7th. It was a
5-1 vote in support. There was four conditions. One was that a type B
buffer, which included a six-foot tall wall on top of a three-foot berm
shall be provided along the western property line consistent with the
Land Development Code regulations, which included irrigation and
maintenance.
Two, a type D buffer would be provided along the southern
property line. Three, an access to 1st Avenue Southwest shall be
restricted by a gate to emergency vehicles only. And four, the
southernmost parking stalls shall be constructed with grass pavers.
At this meeting that was held on the 7th -- and I have on the
visualizer a copy of the site plan that was approved, it shows here that
along the western property line here that they are going to provide a
six-foot tall wall on top of the berm, and they identified that there will
be a type C buffer on the outside of this wall, and the same is along
the south side here.
One of the other concerns was about the lighting that was there at
the site, and they have agreed to have a dome-type lighting fixture and
that these would be turned off at 11 o'clock, I believe, at night.
And the -- and the staff has found that this application is
consistent with the growth management plan and found to be
compatible with the Land Development Code and is recommending
approval.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Did anyone address the issue of the
original conditions where there was only going to be two
congregations meeting in the church and now there's five?
MR. DeRUNTZ: I believe in looking at the statement of record
that that was not a condition of the approval. That was just the
verbiage that was -- language that was spoken of at the meeting. That
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was not placed as one of the conditions of the approval. But I'll let
Deborah speak to that.
MS. STEWART: Thank you. And yes, I have reviewed the
minutes from that meeting in 1996, and as -- I have a set right here.
And as I recall reading it earlier, as Mr. Leruntz (sic) indicated, there
was discussion about that meeting and there was an inquiry made of
the congregation as to how far they thought they would expand.
Let's see. A Mr. Martin -- I'm not -- I don't recall who he is -- he
talks about -- I believe that there will -- and I think he was a staff
member. I believe that there will be a plan for the site for more than
two congregations, and I believe one is Spanish speaking and one is
English speaking.
Then there was some other discussion. Commissioner Matthews,
Bettye Matthews at the time, said, I just wanted to make sure we knew
it's two congregations.
But as I read the motion with their stipulations, that was not one
of the stipulations that there would only be two congregations at this
site.
And let me say again, this was back in 1996. That's more than 10
years ago. I know that if this congregation knew back then they
would have expanded more than twice its size, they would have told
you.
It's my understanding they gave you all the best opinion they had
at the time. I mean, I think a lot of us undershot the amount of growth
of our community 10 years ago.
So in my opinion, it was not made part of the record or the
motion at the time, that this conditional use back then be capped at
two congregations.
And the other thing -- and if I may continue. I'm not sure at what
point -- to address some of the issues -- the comments that were raised
by Ms. Humphries, Mr. Raimer, Mr. Burnell (sic), again, we come
back mostly to the traffic and the noise. One of the reasons the current
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congregation is meeting six nights a week at this location is because
they don't have the additional building. Their plan is, with the
additional building, their goal is to only meet at this site three times a
week.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: So in other words --
MS. STEWART: Two to three times a week, Wednesdays,
Sundays, and possibly one other evening.
CHAIRMAN COLETT A: Would you agree to that as a
condition?
MS. STEWART: I'd have to confer with my clients.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Yeah, because I'll tell you where we
are on these --
MS. STEWART: That would be--
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: -- on this. Back a number of years
ago when Golden Gate Estates was young, there was no particular
rules. You could build a church, you could build -- put a fraternal
organization out there without having to go through a lengthy process.
It was a use that could be -- come around without difficulty.
I remember I ran into problems with the Moose in the fact that I
stopped them from getting out there when they wanted to go in a
residential neighborhood. Why not? The property's considerably
cheaper to buy in a residential neighborhood than it is in one that
would permit these kinds of use as a normal occurrence.
So we formed the Golden Gate Master Plan. This is back in '92.
And we came up with a whole matrix to be able to make it a little
more difficult for churches and fraternal organizations and commercial
to locate in the Estates, and it's been a long process and it gets you to
where you need to be. And that's where we are today.
But, once again, you know, we're talking about a residential
neighborhood that has -- now has a commercial use. Yes, large lots
and everything. And I don't think the people that have been there for a
long time ever anticipated this particular venture getting to the size
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that it is.
MS. STEWART: I understand everything you said,
Commissioner, Mr. Chairman. And again, if! may say, I believe that
-- it's my understanding this particular site is the -- one of two in this
area that's qualified for this transitional use, if you will. So I don't
think the board's going to see very many more applications for this
type of application.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Well, but still, it's the option of this
board to approve or not approve.
MS. STEWART: Yes, of course, yes.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: And what I'm challenging you with,
is to see if your congregation can -- if the church could live up to what
you just said, that this larger facility will allow them to reduce it from
six nights a week to three nights.
If you can get them to agree to that, I think I might be much more
understandable of how this whole thing works.
MS. STEWART: Is this an indefinite period of time, from here
till forever or is it --
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: You'd have to come back before this
commission again to get it changed.
MS. STEWART: So you're talking about restriction that's --
days and times of operation?
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Well, to bring it down to something--
in other words, if you're going to, you know, impede upon the peace
and tranquility of the residents that live there, what can you do to try
to bring a balance to it? Maybe it will be a more intense use for those
three nights that it happens, but at least they can be assured that they're
going to have four nights without a heavy use.
MS. STEWART: And here's one other thing that maybe we're
not focusing on. I have heard a lot of discussion about the noise, the
traffic, the car alarms, the talking and yet I heard no one present any
proof, per se, that it was from this congregation. As you all know,
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Max Hasse Community Park is directly across the street, there is
another church further down the road, and there's a school there as
well.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Well, no, I understand. But the school
isn't operating at night for the general -- you know, generally late at
night. They --
MS. STEWART: No, but the park probably is. I'm not sure that
that church --
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: The park has got hours of operation,
baseball and everything. There's usually something that takes place
during the day. What I'm saying is, trying to compare the two of
them, the peace and tranquility of the evening nights in the Estates is
something that people treasure greatly, and the peace and quiet that
they get there. That's the reason why they moved out there to those
large lots.
And we -- and that's one of the reasons why it's so important that,
if you do this, that the walls be built on top ofthe berms, that all the
amenities that go into place are there. But meanwhile, we still have a
more intense use for a residential neighborhood. What can you do to
tell me that that use will only be so many nights a week? I mean, you
just said that it was going to be reduced. Either it's true or it's not true.
MS. STEWART: Well, it's true for the period right now. If
you're asking us to project into the future how much further this
congregation will expand, I think that's another question--
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Well-- and that's fine.
MS. STEWART: -- if that's what you want me to discuss with
them.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: That's fine. But this commission is
open for discussion in the future if somebody wanted to bring
something back to have a change made to their --
MS. STEWART: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: -- original agreement that was put
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together.
MS. STEWART: I would request a break. and let me discuss that
with my clients. I don't know of any other way to --
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I have a question.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Let's go with Commissioner Henning.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Ms. Stewart, how many
congregations are meeting in the church?
MS. STEWART: There are approximately five congregations
that meet there now.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. What was the petition in
the '90s? What name was that petition for?
MS. STEWART: I'm looking at a set of minutes, I believe, and it
reads, resolution 96-488, petition CU-9612, Don Apperson, requesting
continual use to allow for a house of worship for property located on
the south side of Golden Gate Boulevard.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: So the congregation is the house
of worship?
MS. STEWART: They refer to their buildings as their house of
worship. The congregation is the number -- when I use the term, it's
the number of members of that particular church.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: How many churches do you
have meeting in there?
MS. STEWART: Just the one congregation -- well, one Golden
Gate congregation, five separate groups. They can't all fit into the one
building at the same time, so they are scattering them out through the
week.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Are you saying you have five
different services or five different congregations?
MS. STEWART: I'll call up my client, Mr. Casady, and he can
probably better answer that question.
MR. CASADY: Okay. Yes, we have five groups that meet.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Your name, for the record.
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MR. CASADY: Mike Casady.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Are they a member of one
church?
MR. CASADY: It's all Jehovah's Witnesses, it's all Jehovah's.
There are a couple different groups that speak Spanish that's there, and
then there's two -- there's three groups that speak Spanish and there's
two groups that are English.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Okay. Well, I heard the
Hispanic gentleman say they lease from you. Did I hear that or is that
wrong?
MR. CASADY: No, that's not right.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: So it's one church. I mean, I
agree with Commissioner Coletta, there has to be some limitation on
that, the use on that property.
MR. CASADY: It's very difficult to calculate the growth. Just
as we are -- you hear from time to time the roads are continually
.
growmg.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Right.
MR. CASADY: Building roads, and it's real hard to calculate
how many people are coming in that are receiving God want to come
in to worship.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Let me tell you my experience.
First Baptist Church originally started, it was right next to Naples City
Hall, and then they moved it way out there on Pine Ridge Road, and
then from there they went to Orange Blossom Road (sic), and they are
still growing. And I think they've found a property to fit their needs.
And, you know, I'm concerned, like Commissioner Coletta, that
maybe you're outgrowing the neighborhood. Maybe you're
outgrowing your space, and it impacts on a single -- or a residential
neighborhood. That's my concerns. And, you know, those conditional
uses, churches, are not really meant to be seven days a week.
MR. CASADY: Well, as 1--
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COMMISSIONER HENNING: But I'm glad you're doing what
you're doing.
MR. CASADY: Yeah.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: I am, too.
MR. CASADY: And as Deborah mentioned, you know, that we
do meet there regularly. I mean, almost every night we have a group,
and that would shrink that down to like three nights -- three nights a
week where we would be able--
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Well, that might be acceptable
to the board, three nights a week.
MR. CASADY: But the future, we don't know. I mean, how can
we stop? How can we stop people coming in to worship God in a
house of worship? It's very difficult to say, no, we can't have you
come in anymore. I mean --
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Yeah.
MR. CASADY: -- we would feel-- we would not feel right to do
that, to stop by some numbers. We do want to eventually, you know,
find some property out in the Estates if anything's available, and that's
the problem. There's nothing out that way, or Oil Well Road, or for
the future in the years to come. And we'd rather be out that way, but
for the time being we need -- you know, we really need this project,
this building, to house the people that we have, and probably some
additional people that would come along in the next few years.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Commissioner Henning, let's go
ahead and take a 10-minute break. And maybe you can discuss it with
members of your congregation. We think you're doing a wonderful job
with congregation. They serve a lot of purpose, but we also have to
bring a balance for the neighborhood.
So take a few minutes, talk it over with your attorney, and see
what you can come up with. Okay. Thank you.
(A brief recess was had.)
MR. MUDD: You have a hot mike, sir.
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CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Back to you.
MS. STEWART: Thank you. Commissioners, my clients have
asked me to pose one suggested -- one suggestion, and that is, would
the neighbors be willing to agree to, say, four nights per week rather
than the three nights per week?
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Well, I'll tell you what. We've got one
neighbor that actually lives there. I'm going to invite him back up to
the podium, ifhe wouldn't mind.
Not that easy trying to find a common ground--
MR. RAIMER: No, it isn't.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: -- on a situation like this. Buy I
thought if I could buy you some evenings of peace and quiet.
MR. RAIMER: Sure. No, I appreciate that.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Would you state the name again.
MR. RAIMER: My name is Jeff Raimer. I live to the west of
the church. And you know, I want to go on record that I'm not here to
impede anything. My wife and I have a beautiful piece of property. I
don't want to see a wall go up. I want to look at my views coming out
of my front porch as they are. I don't want any services at night. I've
got five or six as it is now. You know, no to four. I mean, I don't
want any.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Well, I understand that.
MR. RAIMER: But I can't stop that obviously, but--
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Let's make a choice. In other words,
if we refuse this, then the status quo stays with six nights a week, no
wall, no shrubberies. If we go ahead and we accept it, then we're
down to four nights. At leave you've got three nights of quiet. And
you do have a wall, shrubbery, something to enhance the whole thing.
MR. RAIMER: Right.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Help us with this decision.
MR. RAIMER: Well, I'd love to. I know you're in a tough spot,
and I can only tell you as for myself and, you know, the
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neighborhood, that we met. It was pretty adamant to them that we
don't want any expansion that, you know, we agreed to this plan that
they gave us because they have to bring a plan to you for approval or
not approval.
So, you know, we said, okay, if you're going to bring a plan,
because you have to have one -- first of all, we don't want one, but if
you have to, okay, you need the wall on the south side, you need the
wall on our side, you need it on a berm, you need the landscape on
both sides, you need to put the ball lighting in to keep the things
down, but none of us want the expansion.
And I understand they want to do it. They're growing. You can't
tell me 10 years ago they didn't know they were going to grow from
two congregations to five, and now they're at five, arid who knows
what it's going to go to.
And my concern is, who's in charge of -- who's in charge of
saying, okay, they're not meeting three nights a week? Who's in
charge of that? I mean, do I got to call every time they're meeting on
a night they're not supposed to meet? Do I got to call somebody up
and watch that, that -- I mean, you know, it's not a conditional use.
What they have now is -- you know, they got the transitional
conditional use which states that, to my knowledge, that the piece of
property needs to be two to under five acres. They've got 5.15 acres,
so that transitional conditional use should have never been granted
back in '96 or '97.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: But it was.
MR. RAIMER: But it was. So there we are again. So I'm
asking you guys not to further that. That shouldn't have been here in
the first place, that's all.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. Now, one more time, I just
want to make sure I understand. The present situation, if the status
quo remains as it is, six nights a week meeting -- and they might go to
seven because it doesn't seem like there's anything to stop them, there
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would be no improvements done to the peripheral part of the property,
so you know, you get to see what you are -- there will be no nose (sic)
break -- nothing to break the noise. So you would think that that
would be more preferable than to grant them the expansion and to cut
down on the amount of services they have.
MR. RAIMER: For my wife and I, yes.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. Tell me about the traffic
situation that you're enduring now.
MR. RAIMER: Well, the traffic situation, we certainly knew
that when we bought it. I mean, you've got -- at the end of our street
you've got Big Cypress Elementary, you've got a Presbyterian church,
you've got the Max Hasse Park, you've got their church. That's all
within, without exaggerating, 150 yards, all ofthose.
So you've got all that coming in, you've got their church. You
know, they say they don't come down 1st Avenue, I don't know how
you would know if they do or they don't. I can't say they do, I can't
say they don't. What I can say is, at nine o'clock, between 9:00,9:30,
10:00, when they are coming out, there's car horns going off, they're
sitting out in the parking lot, they're talking. You know, we're used to
it now, quite honestly, we are. I mean, it's, you know, at that point--
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Yeah, but if they had the expansion
and the traffic was to say double, would that be an inconvenience?
MR. RAIMER: Like I said, you know, quite honestly, I can't say
that because I don't know what cars of theirs are coming in or coming
out. I do know if they're -- you know, I do know that in the minutes,
in the Planning Commission minutes, that there is a stipulation that
they could have their right turn or their left turn taken away off of the
Boulevard.
If that happens, guess where they're going? They're going to go
down 1 st Avenue Southwest because they don't have a choice. If they
can't go out of their church and take a left on the Boulevard, they're
going to be coming out of their parking lot turning right towards Max
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Hasse and taking a right on 1st Avenue, and that's how they're going
to be leaving.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: And then again --
MR. RAIMER: It's in there, it says that it could happen.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: -- it's a public road. Can't quite, you
know, tell somebody they can't use the public road.
MR. RAIMER: Right.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: But if they were to take their church
and increase the size of it, it would most likely cause more traffic. Do
you agree with that?
MR. RAIMER: Yes.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. I'm going to ask you just for a
few minutes to stay there in case any of my commissioners --
MR. RAIMER: Sure.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: -- have questions for you. Thank you,
Jeff, for your patience.
MR. RAIMER: Yep, thanks.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Commissioner Coyle?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: I don't have any questions of this
gentleman, but I do have a question of the representative of the
church.
Usually if you're a successful church, and you apparently are,
you make plans for expansion and you get a building fund and you
collect money and identify what your long-range alternatives are
going to be.
And I'm wondering if you can tell me how much money you
have in your building fund. Have you established one? Do you have
long-term plans to acquire property that suits your needs?
I hope you will not stop growing. I hope you will continue to
grow. But how do you intend to accommodate that growth, by trying
to jam more in this neighborhood, or are you really going to make a
sincere effort to find a place that will permit you to grow even larger?
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And that's my question.
I have -- I have run into similar situations where churches simply
don't want to spend their money on getting bigger facilities or other
facilities and they merely want to try to pack more into what they've
got, and that is understandable, but it's not necessarily fair to the
neighborhood.
And so that's my question to you. What are your long-range
building plans, how are you going to accommodate for growth from
this point forward, and have you begun to collect any money to fund
those long-range plans?
MR. CASADY: Yes, sir. We do have a building fund and we do
plan in the future, we do plan to expand elsewhere, not just this one
piece of property.
Like we mentioned in comment earlier, we'd like to find some
property, feasible property, inexpensive property, which is hard to find
in Collier County now, out towards Oil Well Road, someplace out that
way.
We're looking for some additional property besides what we have
planned to do here. So that's where our growth is. Most of our -- a
great majority of our people that come to the services there do live in
the Estates area. There are some that lives in town, but the majority of
them does live in the Estates area. And we'd like to for future, future,
in the future, to build someplace out in that area also.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: And you have a building fund that
is going to support that strategy?
MR. CASADY: We're working on that, yes.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. Thank you.
Okay. Go ahead, sir, briefly.
MR. CASE: Having the larger picture, I'm very much aware of
the situation of all the congregations here in the Naples area. We have
a Kingdom Hall on Guilford and we have four congregations there.
We have one on Pine. We have three congregations there. We have
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one on Yarberry. We have three congregations there. We have one
on Green in Golden Gate City, and there's four congregations there.
There's five there in the Estates.
We try to not bring people from other communities into the
community. We try to serve our neighbors -- our parishioners that are
in that particular community without bringing the burden from outside
into that community that's there.
With that said, their goal was actually to build something that
was farther out, but we are having difficulty trying to find land that
will allow us those -- that use farther out towards the Everglades area,
the Everglades Avenue.
We have this piece of property that's there. This is -- would
reduce the use of the overcrowding that's in this one particular -- one
particular building.
Also in regards to the impact on the neighborhood, we try to
really keep it light. We consider our neighbors. We're not interested
in tearing down this building and building a cathedral that would have
a larger impact in the area. Our smaller building -- our meetings, we
feel, have less of an impact in the neighborhood, and we are trying to
do whatever we can, and we believe we have met the requirements of
all the zonings and also the laws in regards to considering those types
of impacts or noise and lighting and everything that they've asked, and
we've agreed so as to keep that impact there and not cause a difficulty
within the neighborhood.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. Hearing what I've heard and
everything and having to weigh everything -- and I mean no harm to
the church, I'm going to vote for disapproval based upon
transportation element number 5.1 and 5.2, that I think that this
particular venture would have an impact on the neighborhood that
would be negative, and the surrounding area also.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Mr. Chairman?
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Yes, Commissioner.
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COMMISSIONER HENNING: It also doesn't comply to the
Golden Gate Area Master Plan with the lot size conformity.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: And I add that to my motion. And if
I get a second, we'll be able to proceed.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I'll second it for discussion
purposes.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. We have a motion by myself,
Commissioner Coletta, and a second by Commissioner Henning for
denial.
Do I hear any discussion?
Yes, Margie.
MS. STUDENT -STIRLING: For the record, Marjorie
Student-Stirling. I also believe there was testimony as to noise, and
that is one of the criteria that exists in the code for whether a
conditional use should be approved or denied, and I don't know if you
may wish to add that to your motion.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: And I include that in my motion.
How about your second, Commissioner Henning?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: (Nods head.)
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. Let the record show
Commissioner Henning indicated with a nod yes.
With that, any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Hearing none, all those in the -- favor
of the motion for denial, indicate by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Opposed?
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Let the record show Commissioner
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Halas was in opposition to the motion.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And I was, too.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: And Commissioner Fiala, that the
motion only required three, correct?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: No, four.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, did it? Okay.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Then we need another motion.
MR. WEIGEL: Here's what happened. It's four to approve a
conditional use. It is not approved -- this motion to deny is not
approved either, but the petition does not go forward at this point,
that's for sure. So I think if you can entertain another motion--
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: We don't need another motion?
Okay. Hearing nothing?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: I'm not sure that was clear. I'm not
sure David --
MR. WEIGEL: I'll restate. If, for instance, we had a motion to
approve that failed, because it failed to achieve the supermajority vote,
that is an action. It fails to move forward.
This motion to deny also fails in the sense that it's not a
supermajority vote out of conditional use; however, ifthere is no
motion to go -- if there is no further motion taken, the petition will fail
in any event because there is no motion to approve that it's going
forward, is what I'm trying to say.
If there is -- if there is a desire to entertain another motion and
that motion were to approve it and it fails, then I think you've, you
know, fully covered the gamut there, is what you could do. Anything
else?
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. Do I hear another motion?
COMMISSIONER HALAS: I'd like to make a motion and --
with the stipulation -- motion for approval with the stipulation that
they are only allowed to meet four nights a week.
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: And that they have the fence?
COMMISSIONER HALAS: With all the other stipulations that
have been put in there.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: By the CCPC as well as the --
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Right, and then what was also
discussed with the neighborhood.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah, I'll second that.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. I have a motion for approval
by Commissioner Halas and a second by Commissioner Fiala.
Any discussion?
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Do you agree with -- go along with
that four nights, that's it?
MS. STEWART: Oh, yes, we do. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay.
MS. STEWART: And if! may, at this point in discussion, if the
motion does not go forward, will there be permitted cross-examination
of witnesses?
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: I'm sorry. One more time?
MS. STEWART: If the motion is not approved, will there be
time for cross examination?
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: No, no, absolutely not.
MS. STEWART: Okay.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. Any other comments,
questions?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Hearing none, all those in favor of the
motion, indicate by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: (No verbal response.)
COMMISSIONER HENNING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Opposed? Aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I'm sorry.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: You were for or opposed?
COMMISSIONER HENNING: I was -- I was opposed.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Okay. We have myself,
Commissioner Coletta, Commissioner Henning, and Commissioner
Coyle in opposition to the motion. The motion failed. Thank you.
MR. MUDD: Commissioner--
MS. STEWART: If! may make one--
MR. MUDD: Commissioner, that brings us to our next item.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: No, that --
MS. STEWART: If! may make one objection to the record,
please.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: No, I'm sorry. This part of the
proceedings concluded. We don't -- we don't -- we're not a court of
law.
MS. STEWART: Object based on the denial of due process.
Thank you very much, Commissioners.
CHAIRMAN COLETTA: Thank you.
MR. MUDD: Commissioner -- Commissioners, the chairman
asked me to try to keep this, to get the supermajority vote particular
issues out of the way because Commissioner Coyle's a little under the
weather.
Item #8B
ORDINANCE 2007-54: PETITION: PUDZ-2005-AR-8284, TREE
FARMLAND TRUST, REPRESENTED BY ROBERT MULHERE,
AICP OF RW A, INC., AND GEORGE VARNADOE, ESQUIRE,
OF CHEFFY, PASSIDOMO, WILSON & JOHNSON, LLP, IS
REQUESTING A REZONE FROM THE AGRICULTURAL (A)
ZONING DISTRICT TO THE MIXED-USE PLANNED UNIT
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RESOLUTION NO. 07-..J.+O
A RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
DENYING BY OPERATION OF LAW THE REQUEST FOR
ESTABLISHMENT OF A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE
ESTATES ZONING DISTRICT FOR AN ADDITIONAL
CHURCH BUILDING PURSUANT TO TABLE 2 OF
SECTION 2.04.03 OF THE COLLIER COUNTY LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT
34S0 GOLDEN GATE BOULEVARD S.W., TRACT SI,
GOLDEN GATE ESTATES UNIT NO.4, IN SECTION 11,
TOWNSHIP 49 SOUTH, RANGE 26 EAST, COLLIER
COUNTY, FLORIDA DENYING THE REQUEST BY
OPERATION OF LAW.
WHEREAS, the Legislature of the State of Florida in Cbapter 125, Florida Statutes, has
conferred on all counties in Florida the power to establish. coordinate and enforce zoning and
such business regulations as are necessary for the protection of the public; and
WHEREAS, the County pursuant thereto has adopted a Land Development Code
(Ordinance No. 2004-41), as amended, which includes a Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance
establishing regulations for the zoning of panicular geographic divisions of the County, among
which is the granting of conditional uses; and
WHEREAS, the Board of Zoning Appeals (Board), being the duly appointed and
constituted planning hoard for the area hereby affected, has held a public bearins after notice as
in said regulations made and provided. has considered the advisability of a conditional use for an
additional church building pursuant to Table 2 of Section 2.04.03 of the CoIlier County Land
Development Code in an Estates Zoning Disnict on the property h....inafter described, and has
found that sarisfactoI)' provision and arrangement have not been made concerning all applicable
mall... required by said regulations and in accordance with Subsection 10.OS.00 of the Land
Development Code; and
WHEREAS, all interested panies have been given opportunity to be beard by this Board
in public meeting assembled, and the Board bas fuIly considered all matters presented.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE BOARD OF WNING APPEALS
OF COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA thar:
The petition filed by Mike Landy of Landy Engineering, Inc., representing Golden Gate
Congregation of Jehovab's Witnesses, with respect to the property hereinafter described as:
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April 22, 2008
Page 46 of 52
Tract 8 I, Golden Gate Estales Unit No.4, Collier
County, Florida, as recorded in Plat Book 4, Pages
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Florida, more panicularly described as 3480 Golden
Gate Boulevard S.W.
by operation of law is hereby DENIED the conditional use for an additional church building
pursuant to Table 2 of Section 2.04.03 of the Comer County Land Development Code in an
Estates Zoning District for the reasons set forth in the record of the proceedings of June 26,
2007.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that this Resolution be recorded in the minutes of this
Board.
This Resolution adopted based upon motion, second and majority vote to approve the
subject request. which was not a sufficient supcr.majority vote. and thus. the request is
considered denied by operation of law effective this date.
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REVlSIO
Agenda Item No. 12A
April 22, 2008
Page 48 of 52
IN RE:Collier County Board of Zoning Appeals Denial of a Conditional Use Petition of Golden
Gate Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, Inc.
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Special Magistrate Recommendation Pursuant to Section 70,51(19), Florida Statutes
Pursuant to Section 70.51(19), Florida Statutes (2006), and after a full evidentiary hearing
pursuant to Section 70.51(15), Florida Statutes, the Special Magistrate in the above-captioned
proceeding enters this recommendation pursuant to the guidelines set forth in Section 70.51 (18),
Florida Statutes.
APPEARANCES
For Petitioners Golden Gate Congregation of Jehovah's Witnessess, Ine. ("Congregation"):
James D. Fox, Esq.
Roetzel & Andress, PA
850 Park Shore Drive
Trianon Building, Third Floor
Naples, Florida 34103
For Respondent Collier County ("Collier County"):
Marjorie M, Student-Stirling, Esq.
Assistant County Attorney
3301 East Tamiami Trail
Naples, Florida 34112-4902
The following individuals and entities were granted "participation status" pursuant to Section
70.52(12), Florida Statutes (2006), and they each made presentations during the public portion of
the Section 70.51(15), Florida Statutes (2006), evidentiary hearing:
Mike Landy
Mike DeRuntz
Jeff Raimer
Mike Casady
Patri ck Purnell
Dave Brawling
BACKGROUND
The Congregation is the owner of real property addressed as 3480 Golden Gate Boulevard
S.W., Naples, Florida. The property is located immediately to the west of the entrance to the Max
Hasse County Park and Cypress Wood Presbyterian Church.
The fundamental issue in this proceeding is whether the Congregation should be denied a
conditional use to allow them to build an additional church building.
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Agenda Item No. 12A
April 22, 2008
Page 49 of 52
On or about June 26, 2007, although the Collier County Planing Commission approved the
Petition and County planning staff testified that the Petition was deemed to be consistent with the
GGAMP, the Collier Board of Zoning Appeals ("BZA ") denied the application for a conditional
use to allow the Congregation to build an additional church building.
The BZA denied the request for a variance finding that I) the Petition does not comply with
the lot size requirements under the GGAMP; 2) the Petition does not comply with Transportation
Element No. 5.1 and 5.2; and 3) the effect the conditional use would have on neighboring properties
in relation to noise.
THE NATURE OF A SECTION 70,51 FLORIDA STATUTES PROCEEDING
It is critical in this process for the parties, the Participants and the public to understand the
nature of the Dispute Resolution Act proceeding. The overriding purpose of the Dispute Resolution
Act is to try, informally and outside the judicial system, to resolve land use and environmental
disputes between private property owners, governmental entities and other affected entities. The
stated purpose of the Dispute Resolution Act is to "focus attention on the impact of the
governmental action giving rise to the request for relief and to explore alternatives to the
development order . . . and other regulatory efforts by the governmental entity in order to
recommend relief, when appropriate, to the [property] owner." S 70.51(17), Fla. Stat. (2006). A key
responsibility of the Special Magistrate in these proceedings is to "facilitate a resolution of the
conflict." 9 70.51(17)(a), Fla. Stat. (2006).
In short, the overriding purpose of the Dispute Resolution Act is for the Special Magistrate
to help the parties find a solution. Several processes are provided to the Special Magistrate in the
Dispute Resolution Act to accomplish this, such as the ability to convene a mediation session, act
as a facilitator, hold evidentiary hearings, request testimony from witnesses that the Special
Magistrate deems essential, and to issue, if necessary, a recommendation to the parties. The Special
Magistrate is given broad discretion on how and when to use these processes in order to resolve the
dispute.
LAND USE AND ENVIRONMENTAL DISPUTE RESOLUTION
Section 70.51(17)(a) states that, "The first responsibility of the special master is to facilitate
a resolution of the conflict between the owner and governmental entities to the end that some
modification of the owner's proposed use of the property or adjustment in the development order
or enforcement action or regulatory efforts by one or more of the governmental parties may be
reached." In furtherance of this requirement the Special Magistrate invited the parties to make
recommendations that they thought might resolve this matter fairly. The following suggestions were
made:
1. The Congregation move to a different location.
2. County purchase the Congregation property for public use.
3. The Congregation purchase the Raimer's property.
4. The Congregation make additional changes to the proposed sight layout to lessen the impact of
any additional noise.
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April 22, 2008
Page 50 of 52
None ofthese recommendations were acceptable to all. Therefore, the Special Magistrate
declared an impasse to mediation and proceeded to the next section ofthe statute.
Section 70.51 (17)(b) states that, "If an acceptable sol ution is not reached by the parties after
the special master's attempt at mediation, the special master shall consider the facts and
circwnstances set forth in the request for relief and any responses and any other information
produced at the hearing in order to determine whether the action by the governmental entity or
entities is unreasonable or unfairly burdens the real property."
An informal hearing was conducted and the Special Magistrate heard from all parties and
witnesses that wished to speak.
It turns out that the lot size is a non-issue. When the road easements (upon which roads are
built) are subtracted from the total lot size it falls within the Jot size requirements under the
GGAMP.
Next is the issue with Transportation Element No. 5.1 and 5.2 dealt with traffic flow,
volwne and patterns resulting from approval of the Petition. At the hearing before this Special
Magistrate no one could provide any evidence that granting the Petition would result in traffic
problems. In fact, Mr. Raimer, the neighbor immediately to the west probably said it best at the
Planning Commission meeting, "Our street, quite honestly, is like - unlike any street in the Estates
in the effect (sic) that there is a lot of traffic on that street. I mean, you can see where our house is,
and you can see if - if you continue down First Avenue Southwest to the east down to the school,
which isn't even in the picture, every day in the morning and in the evening - in the aftemoon cars
go past our house to pick their children up at school. That's fine. I mean, you know, we - my wife
and I didn't do our research when we bought that piece of property. The point is there's a lot of
traffic. My guess is five, six hundred cars a day. I mean, they have - that's the only entrance they
can come pick their children up from that school." NOTE: the school being referred to is the Big
Cypress Elementary School approximately 850 feet to the east of the subject property. At the BZA
hearing he was ask the question, "Yeah. but if they had the expansion and the traffic was to say
double, whould that be an inconvenience?" He answered, "Like I said, you know, quite honestly,
I can't say that because I don't know what cars of theirs are coming in or coming out." The
proposed driveway off of First Avenue Southwest was requested by the fire department for
emergency access. It is now proposed to be limited to only emergency access - all but eliminating
any impact to traffic on First A venue Southwest.
The Congregation satisfied requests by County Planning staff and the Collier County
Planing Commission to address the issue of noise in advance of the hearing before the BZA.
However, as a result of suggestions made at the informal hearing before the Special Magistrate they
have since made major changes to the layout of parking and lighting in an effort to eliminate all
reasonable objections. Some ofthem are: The berm with a barrier on top, which had been requested
of the Congregation prior to the hearing before the BZA, to soften the noise and light issues was
found to be adverse to the view from the adjoin neighbor because it destroyed the natural look that
presently exists. It is felt that eliminating the berm is less intrusive on the existing natural
vegetation and look and that a more effective method dealing with the light and noise has been
Agenda Item No. 12A
April 22, 2008
Page 51 of 52
achieved by moving the proposed solid barrier away from the property line to a location near the
parking lot. A 6' high CBS wall is proposed along the west and south side of the property. This
would provide a better off sight view and also provide effective protection from noise and lights to
the neighbors. The parking has been rearranged to move it away from the objecting neighbors to
the sides that face the entry road to the County Park. The Congregation has requested its members
to lock their cars by means other than with a remote (which results in the horn going off).
The County Planning staff still found the Petition consistent with the Growth Management
Plan, found it to be compatible with the Land Development Code and recommended approval.
Section 70.51(19) states that if an impasse is reached in the mediation, the Special
Magistrate will enter a final recommendation within 14 days after the impasse. In the final
recommendation, the standard that the Special Magistrate will use in making the recommendation
is whether the official action taken by Collier County regarding the Congregation's lot is
"unreasonable" or "unfairly burdens" the use of the Property. In doing so, the Special Magistrate
will focus on the criteria listed in Section 70.51(18)(a) through (h), Florida Statutes (2006). The
Special Magistrate interprets these criteria to include evidence, if any, that the actions taken by
Collier County with regard to the Congregation's lot do not comply with statutory, regulatory or
case law.
RECOMMENDATION
1. Background of Recommendation
As this Special Magistrate noted, one of the key roles of a Special Magistrate under the
Dispute Resolution Act is to find a solution to the land use dispute. In that context, the Special
Magistrate provides these comments so that the parties and other stakeholders have a clearer
understanding of the intent of this recommendation.
Land use disputes are emotional episodes in the history of a community. Many times
emotions get in the way of finding rational solutions to the dispute between the valid but competing
interests of private landowners, government and other stakeholders. It is at these times that
everyone in the community needs to, as much as possible, look objectively at the situation and see
if a solution that advances the different interests of the stakeholders can be found.
The one matter that appeared to reasonably concern the affected neighbors was noise and
lighting. This appears to have been effectively dealt with by the accommodations proposed by the
Congregation.
2, Recommendation
It is the recommendation of the Special Magistrate that the following solutions be pursued:
To eliminate the possibility of future legal actions Collier County could consider the
purchase of this lot from the Congregation if there is any public use that could be made of the
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April 22, 2008
Page 52 of 52
property. Of course this might result in a worse situation for the affected neighbors. This probably
best points out the reason the present situation exists. Someone has to be next door to a public use
property like the park or park entrance. If the church were to somehow disappear a new residential
owner of the property would face issues similar to the existing neighbors. It appears that having the
church located on this property as a "Transitional use" was the original goal.
An alternate solution would be for the Congregation to purchase the lot from the Roomers
for fair market value and utilize it for their own private benefit.
Finally, If none of the above solulions result in a timely resolution to this matter, it is the
recommendation of the Special Magistrate that Collier County should consider granting the
requested conditional use. It appears that even with two buildings the agreed to "enhancements"
would vastly improve the situation over that existing presently. It also appears that, considering the
unique situation present in this neighborhood with the existing County Park, elementary school and
Cypress Wood Presbyterian Church all adjoining the subject property, it would be unreasonable to
deny the Petition as presently presented.
Finally, the Special Magistrate commends attorneys Marjorie M. Student-Stirling and
James D, Fox for their cooperation, excellent presentations, work product and professionalism in
helping the Special Magistrate arrange for the hearing and develop his preliminary recommendation
in this proceeding.
This Special Magistrate Recommendation was entered and provided to the attorneys and
other persons listed below by US mail on March 15t\ 2008,
:ua~Jd-
Ted Brousseau
Special Magistrate
Jametl D. Fox, Esq.
Roetzel & Andress, PA
850 Pari< Shore Drive
Trianon Building, Third Floor
Naples, Florida 34\ 03
Marjorie M. Student-Stirling, Esq.
Assistant County Attorney
3301 East Tamiami Trail
Naples, Florida 341 12-4902