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BCC Minutes 02/27/1978 C - -..I Naples, Florida, February 27, 1978 LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County Commissioners in nnd for ble County of Colli"r met in CONFERENCE SESSION in Building "F" of the Courthouse Complex, Naples, Florida at 9:00 A.M. on this date with the following mem~ers present: CHAIRMAN: C. R. "Russ" Wimer VICE-CHAIRMAN: John A. Pistor Clifford Wenzel Thomas P. Archer ABSENT: David C. Brown ALSO PRESENT: William J. Reagan, Clerk; Harold L. Hall, Chief Deputy Clerk/Fiscal Officer; Debbie Pantano, Deputy Clerk; Donald Pickworth, County Attorney; Irving Berzon, Utility Director; Mary Morgan, Administrative Aide to the Board; Clifford Barksdale, Assis- tant County F.ngineer; Wafaa Assaad, Principal Planner; Gene Stau- dcnmaicr, Animal Regulation Officer; Dallas Townsend, Agriculture Extension Agent; Dave Reeves, Chief, Golden Gate Fire Department; Wayne Martin, President, Golden Gate Fire Association, and Jack Maguire, American Ambulance. WORK SHOP SESSION February 27, 1978 1. Discussion of problems relating to building industry, requested by Contractors' Association of Collier County, Inc. 2. 3. Proposed Animal Control Ordinance (Pickworth). Discussion of equipment needs resulting from projected relocation of certain departments. Presentation of Master Plan and Space Utilization Study for Courthouse (Berzon). Discussion of relocation of CETA administration. 4. 5. 6. Discussion of CHSI Requests: a. Consideration of contract renewal for Immokalee Health Center. b. Consideration of transfer of equipment items from County inventory to CHSI. c. Consideration of request for alterations to 1lllll1okalee Health Center. 7. Discussion of legal description for ambulance district boundaries for Zippo and Golden Gate. 51j5 bk 40 Pg Pg Pg Pg Pg Pg flg 566 bk 40 February 27, 1978 NO~E: Item~ 3 thru 6 were deferred until tho afternoon session of the Regular session of February 28, 1978. DISCUSSION OF PROBLEMS RELATING TO BUILDING INDUSTRY, REQUESTED BY CONTRACTORS' ASSOCIATION OF COLLIER COUNTY, INC. Mr. Bill Shearston, Secretary for Contractor's Association, began the presentation by first expressing appreciation to the Board for having the opportunity to have tho Workshop Session in order to bring to the attention of the Board various problems en- countered by the Association. lie stated the first area he would like to be discussed is tho problem his clients experience in refercnce to the timc involved in obtaining building permits. Mr. Shearston explained that his clients wait anywhere from 5-30 days and felt this inconsistcncy in the time periods prevent the con- tractor from turning out a quality project as they are never able to tell the customer exactly how long it will tako to obtain the permit. Mr. Shearston suggested a standard procedure be set up within the County to regulate the time involved in the permitting process. Nr. Shearston then introduced Mr. John Garnier to speak for residential contractors and Mr. Verlon Fisher who would be speaking for commercial contractors. Mr. Garnier commented on a situation he felt is getting ridicu- lous referring to the fact that building plans which he had sub- mitted to the Engineering Department on November 2, 1977 had not returned to him until November 20, 1977, Obtaining the permit on Novembcr 2l, 1977, a total of 19 days. Commissioner Wimer inquired as to the problem involved in obtaining the permit. Mr. Garnier explained the aforementioned plans had been held up in the Engineer- ing Department for two weeks at which time he went to the Department personally. It was discovered that the design for the driveway on February 27, 1978 the plot plan had not been completed. Mr. Garnier stressed he deserves t~e courteuy of someone notifying him that the plans were not complete and even though he completed the plan right then, it had taken still another week to obtain the permit. He stated he encounters the snme problem with the Building Depnrtment of not being notified of required changes ~n his plans. He further stated another time-involved problem with Engineering is their procedure for shooting the grade. Mr. Garnier said he was not try- ing to criticize anyone, rather help each other out with their pro- blems as it is costing time and money for everyone concerned. Mr. Verlon Fisher came before the Board stating Mr. Garnier had covered many of the same problems he encounters with the com- mercial building permits; however, a problem that had not been mentioned was that of the "chain of command" within the Departments for the permitting procedure as no one seems to have definite autho- rity over the process. lie commented that Lee County has a definite system in that they are able to determine exactly how long the per- mitting process will take, depending on the size of the job, and expressed his desire for the same type of system, also stating that the City of Naples appears to have a quicker process than the County. lie cited as an example of problems he has encountered with the Engi- neering D~partment the fact that he had submitted 2 sets of plans within a day of each other but they had been returned within a week of each other: he does not feel this is a very efficient method. Mr. Fisher also commented on the difficulty he has in trying to contact th~ person who approves his plans and suggested possibly a short~ge of personnel is a factor of the problem. Mr. Fisher stressed the point made by Mr. Garnier in reference to not being notified if plans are incorrect or incomplete. Commissioner Wenzel stated it is definitely a lack of coopera- tion on the County's part. 567 bk 40 568 bk 40 February 27, 1975 Commissioner Archer commented he felt it is unfair to compare the City's permitting process to the County's as the City most likely has only a small fraction of land to be contracted. Mr. Fisher agreed with Commissioner Archer on this point but stressed again he would still like a procedure to be set up that will tell him and his client how long it will take to obtain a permit. Commissioner Archer made mention of the fact that he personally had experienced a problem in obtaining a permit from the City as it took three weeks to happen and this also was due to the fact that ho had not been notified of certain problems in regard to the permit. In reference to ~he personnel problem previously mentioned, Com- missioner Archer suggested the Contractor's Association lend their support when the Board begins reviewing the budget for next year in order to hire people for that particular Department. Chairman Wimer wanted to know if the delays were primarily con- nected with those plans involving changes and/or corrections to which Mr. Fisher replied it generally takes from 30 to 50 days to get a commercial permit regardless. Commissioner Wenzel suggested this may be a good time to call in an efficiency expert to follow the permitting process from be- ginning to end to try to pin down the problem areas. Mr. Fisher then made reference to the problem in regard to the permanent power not being turned on until an occupancy permit has been issued, which prevents the contractors from testing air- conditioners, appliances, etc. Mr. Irving Berzon, Utility Director, explained that if Florida Power & Light was authorized to turn on full power before an Occupancy Permit is issued, there would be no guarantee that uncompleted work would be finished as required by the permit. Mr. Fisher stressed he is asking for temporary power to be turned on prior to the issuance of the Occupancy Permit for February 27, 1978 testing purposes only. Mr. Fisher then commented on the problem involved wit~ the gendral contraclors obtaining information on the subcontractor's Competency Cards as the card number must be given to the Building Department and suggested that the cards be filed according to the name of the subcontractor to prevent the subcontractor from giving a false card number. Commissioner Pistor stated that if the general contractor gives both the name and the number to the Building Department, it can be determined at that point if the subcontractor has given the correct number. Mr. Fisher went on to discuss the problem involved with the grand fathering clause as related to competency and stated that an exact legal interpretation of the clause is necessary as the Build- ing Director should be made aware of every clause, especially the section referring to qualifications of the grandfather clause. Mr. Glenwood Morrison, Building Director, stated that as many as BOO-900 people apply under the grandfather clause. Mr. Shearston said that the problems with the permitting process have grown since last year, costing the contractors more money and suggested possibly setting up a Contractor's Advisory Board to work with the Commission at any time in order to work out any problems. He further stated that most problems seem to be related to the Engineering Department as some ordinances have been changed and some contractors are not aware of this, in reference to the design of the driveways on the plot plan. He further commented on the problem previously brought out on the fact that no one seems to be in charge of the entire permitting process as it just goes through several de- partments. On the problem in regard to the Occupancy Permit, Mr. Shears ton suggested that on the CO there be a stipulation that for two weeks, the electrical power is for the contractor's testing pur- poses only; at the end of the two weeks, the building be reinspected. 569 bk 40 570 bk 40 February 27, 1~78 lIe stated that Florida Power & Light has indicated that a similar system has been established in Sarasota. Commissioner Pistor inquired as to what would happen if the electrical power was turned on for the 2-week testing period, at which time the contractor was required to work on the building for an additional period of time, would there be additional cost for Florida Power & Light to shut the power on and off. Mr. Shearston said that would have to be worked out if such an arrangement is made. Mr. Tad Fraser, Florida Power & Light, stated his company would prefer not to switch the power off and then on again rather just to keep the power on. Commissioner Wenzel suggested in that case, the meter would be in the contractor's name and he would not have to turn the building over to the owner until his work is com- pleted. Mr. Shearston then suggested some type of newsletter be sent out to contractors with up-to-date building codes, ordinance changes, etc., and having someone monitoring inspections in a uniform way. Mr. Bill Longshore, Florida Power & Light, stated his company hau experienced problems, especially on residential buildings, where the final County inspection is held up until all other inspections have been made, and suggested the electrical inspection be given prior to water inspection, sewer inspection, etc., as this delay puts his company in an awkward position. Mr. John Garnier stated the main problem in turning on tempo- rary power before the Certificate of Occupancy is issued is that the people could move in before this is done, with the contractors still having work incomplete; he felt there should be some distinction made in this area between commercial and residential buildings for temporary power being installed. He further stated he feels the pro- fit made from the issuance of permits could be used to hire more ~ February 27, 1978 people for the permitting process as one man cannot be responsi- ble for looking over all the ~lans that are submitted. Mr. Garnier again stressed he is not here to criticize the County but would like to help them as much as possible. Co~missioner Archer asked Mr. Garnier if additional personnel are required in Engineering, would the contractor's agree to an increase in the permit cost? Mr. Garnier statod he foels that in the long run, it will save the contractors money as they will get their permits faster. Commissioner Pistor stated the County has always strived to kep.p the cost of their services as low as possible and suggested trying to find other ways of making the permitting process run more efficiently instead of raising the cost of the permits. Mr. Shearston expressed his thanks to the Board for having the opportunity to discuss their problems with them. Commissioner Pistor commented the meeting was very constructive and should be helpful to them in the future. Chairman Wimer added the Board hopes to go forward with tIlls and resolve the problems. County Attorney Donald Pickworth stated he would look into the problems that were mentioned as well as otherethat were not discussed. Chairman Wimer stated he would like to see a breakdown of the cost of the entire permitting procoss. He feels that because of all the agencies that are involved, the profit made on the issuing of permits is not really very much. Mr. pickworth stated that time delays are caused by increased rogulations requiring the permit to be approved by most of the areas the County regulates. Commissioner Wenzel strongly sug- gested that the Chairman give a directive to the departments involved that if there is a problem with the plot plans to call the contractor immediately about it. Mr. Clifford Barksdale, Engineering, stated that the contractors are called and the biggest problem his department r: .." ......1... ,.li" ~72 bk 40 February 27, 1978 encounters is the call n~t being returned. Mr. Hall suggested he draw up a cost summary of building permits by showing related costs of each department to which Chairman Wimer said an overview of the situation would be appreciated. PROPOSED ANIMAL CONTROL ORDINANCE - TO DE PLACED ON AGENDA, FEBRUARY 28, 1978 WITH CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS TO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE County Attorney Donald pickworth stated a lot of time has gone into the drafting of the proposed ordinance. Referring to the agenda package, he stated a short summary of the ordinance as well as a fiscal impact analysis is outlined. Mr. Pickworth said Mr. GenA Staudenmaier, Animal Regulation Officer, is present to answer questions the Board may have in relation to the proposed ordinance. Chairman Wimer requested that Mr. Staudenmaier give a brief overview as to the need for the regulations as outlined in the ordinance. Mr. Staudenmaier discussed the major considerations of the proposed ordinance by first explaining the advantages of licensing dogs and cats which will provide an nlternative source of revenue. He said that it will place more responsibility on the owners and it will establish a hetter means of identifying animals for pur- poses of checking on rabies shots~ for -example; the licensing of stables and rodeos is to make sure they are operated in compliance to a certain set of standards. Also, the prohibiting of animals from the beaches, unless specified by the Board, is a health hazard provision requested by Mr. Wheeler of the Health Department in that animals can spread diseases if permitted to be on the beaches. The provision requiring animals to be on leashes when on public thor- oughfares is to prevent traffic hazards; the requirement of specified livestock fencing, allowinq the County to repair defective fencing, is for the prevention of livestock from straying February 27, 1978 upon the highway; the providing for the impoundment of livestock that stray u~on private proper~y is included as it is not in the present ordinance; the prohibiting of confining animals to unat- tcnded motor vehiclcs without sufficient ventilation is especially stressed toward cars in parking lots; the allowing for keeping wild animals on private property if licensed by the Freshwater Fish and Game Commission is over and above what the present ordi- nance now provides. Mr. Staudenmaier stated that tomporary help will be required to assist in the issuance of licenses to initiate the new program. Mr. Staudenmaier further stated that to have an effective rabies control program at least 60\ of licensed animals should be vaccinated. He explained that Kennel License for hunting dogs would cost the owner $20 for five or more animals. Mr. Staudenmaier commented he has received much response on that provision of the ordinance which requires cats to be kept on a lcash when on a public thoroughfare. He stressed that leashes are not required if the cat wanders to a neighbor's yard; however, if the neighbor registers a ~omplaint, the Animal Control Center will take actioll on the matter. On this matter, Commissioner Pistor inquired what would happen if the person calls in a complaint with the Animal Centcr and by the time they get there, the dog and/or cat has gono. Mr. Staudenmaier explained that traps would be set on the neighbor's yard in an effort to live-trap the animal. Com- missioner Pistor then inquired as to the procedure followed when a person calls in a complaint with reference to sanitary nuisances. Mr. Staudenmaier cxplained that first, the owners of the animals would be consulted on the problem and if that does no good, the complainant can sign a sworn statement to be presented to the State Attorney's office for prosecution under the ordinance. 573 bk 40 574 bk 40 February 27, 1978 Commissioner Wenzel suggcsted that no permits be issued for a kenncl unless it is a certain distance away from the next build- ing so as not to create a public nuisance; also, a certain time period should be established in the provision which allows the County to repair the livestock fencing if the owner is not avail- able or refuses to do so. He further stated the ordinance is a step in the right direction and complimented Mr. Staudenmaier for recommending it. Mr. Dallas Townsend, Agricultural Extension Agent, stated that thc passing of this ordinance is being opposed by represen- tatives of the livestock industry as well as by owners of cats and dogs for various reasons; namely, the provision which states it is illegal for animals to run at-large in any subdivision; the opposers objecting to the word "subdivision", referring to the 5-l0 acre plots in Corkscrew Sanctuary, for example. Mr. Townsend then referred to various other provisions in the proposed ordinance stating that they arc unreasonable as applied to rural areas. Mr. Townsend then sug- gested thc ordinance be rewritten as to how applicable certain pro- visions will be to rural areas. Commissioner Wenzel asked Mr. Pick- work if it would be feas,'~le to establish legal definitions of the words "rural" and "urban" in regard to this ordinance. Chairman Wimer agreed with Mr. Townsend that it seems unreasonable for it to be illegal for dogs to run at-large in rural subdivision, but he stressed the point of possibly a neighboring rural tract would ob- ject to having dogs coming on his property. Mr. Townsend stated he felt such a massive regulation should not be passed to control so few incidents and it is definitely an infringement on the rights of animal owners; the fencing provi- sion is already covered by the state statutes, further stating that it would be costly for the County to repair fences with materials, .' February /.7, 1978 time, and labor. The main reasons for broken fences, he said, are the nature oL the animal and "~cts of God", and in that sense, the animal is likely to wander out into the road anyway. Chairman Wimer suggested possibly taking this provision out of the ordinance and have it regulated by the Agriculture Department. Mr. Don Landers, Agriculture Agent, stated another reason why livestock fences are b~ing broken is due to the fact that a small percentage of hunters will cut through fences in order to get on the property. Mr. Staudenmaier made reference to the suggestion made that definitions be established between rural and urban saying this would create a problem in Golden Gate, for example, where the complaints of animals-at-large are increasing every day even though it would be classified "rural" with large-acre plots. He stated that the provi- sions which Mr. Townsend objected to in reference to public nuisances would only be enforced if the complaining party submits a sworn state- ment to the State Attorney. He further stated it will be the Sheriff's responsibility to see that all livestock fences are repaired as soon as possible, as they are now doing. Mr. Saul Blanksteen, resident of Golden Gate Estates, suggested that different sections of the proposed ordinance signify which particular animal it is referring to for reasons of applicability and also to distinguish the words "rural" and "urban" by defining them according to the acreage of a certain tract. Mr. Al Curry, Immokalee, President of the Board of Directors of the County Cattlemen's Association and President of Collier County Farm Bureau, representing over 1,000 members for both organizations, stated they agree with the ordinance as far as the dogs ~nd cats but do not think it is being done the right way. He feels that if the City of Naples wants to pass this ordinance, fine, but don't expect the rest of the County to abide by rules set down regulating animals 575 bk 40 576 bk 40 February 27, 1978 in urban areas. Chairma;t wimer commented on the fact that most of the complaints have come from residents of Immokaleo more so than Naples and the proposed ordinance is designed to protect their rights. Mrs. Nelda Miller, resident of Naples, came before the Board to express her emotional feelings on the subject of being a pet owner. She stated that her neighbor's child had tied her cat with a rope to a fixed object and the cat had climbed a. tree, jumped off a limb, ~nd hanged itself. In reference to the cats being on a leash, she said it is a little different situation compared to dogs in that the dog doesn't climb trees, fences, etc. She further stated that sometimes it is impractical to put collars on cats as several of her cats have invariably lost them and suggested perhaps a permanent method to licensing an animal such as a tatoo. Mrs. Miller commented it is a good thing for dogs to bark at possible trespassers and should not be considered a public nuisance. Mrs. Miller suggested possibly this ordinance is infringing on pet owner's rights at the same time protecting the neighbor's rights. It was determined that the animals which are picked up would be held at the Humane Society in Naples and the Immokalee Animal Shelter. Chairman Wimer requested that the County Attorn~y establish definitions of rural and urban using acreage figures. Mr. Pickworth stated it could be done with a great deal of rewriting the ordinance suggesting that 2 1/4 acre be the minimum predominant lot size in determining a rural area. Commissioner Pistor commented he agreed with Mrs. Miller's point of a cat being on a leash. However, Chairman Wimer stated that it is not required in the or.dinance to tie the cat to a leash, rather when walking on a pUblic thoroughfare, the owner have the other end of the leash in his hand making it virtually impossible for the cat to hang itself. February 27, 197B Chairman Wimer also commented the foncing provision in the ordinance should be lifted out and made into a separate ordinance under authority of the Agriculture Department. It was made clear by the Board that certain provisions would not be enforced except if they receive a complaint at which time the Animal Control Department will tako action. Chairman Wimer stateu this item will be on the Agenda for the meeting on Tuesday, February 28, 1978 with consideration for possi- ble amendments to the proposed ordinance. . . . . . . . . . * * * * * RECESS: ll:lO A.M. - 11:17 A.M. . . . . . . . * * * * * * * LEGAL DESCRIPTION FOR AMBULANCE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES FOR ZIPPO AND GOLDEN GATE - PRESENT BOUNDARIES TO BE LEFT AS THEY ARE NOW WITH LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF TilE BOUNDARIES ON THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL SER- VICES PERMIT AND ALSO THE CERTIFICATE OF NECESSITY AND CONVENIENCE FOR 1978 BE INSERTED. THE EMERGENCY MAPS IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO BE CORRECTED TO COMPLY WITH THE I,EGAL DESCRIPTION OF THE BOUND- ARIES County Attorney Donald Pickworth began the presentation by stating that up until the present time, the boundaries for the Golden Gate Ambulanca District has been the 13 square mile area that is the Golden Gate Fire Control District. Mr. Harold Hall, Chief Deputy Clerk/Fiscal Officer, referred to the visual map to point out the area currently serviced by Golden Gate Ambulance and stated that an area on Davis Boulevard is closer to American Ambulance District. Commissioner Wenzel commented that the Dis- trict close to that area should provide the service. Utility Director Irving Berzon stated the canal south of Golden Gate Fire District is a natural physical barrier and makes it easier for American Ambulance to service that area. Hr. Hall stated that American Ambulance is authorized to operate County-wide with Golden Gate servicing the l3 square miles of Golden Gate Fire District and 577 bk 40 578 bk 40 February 27, 1978 Zippo serving the Immok~lee area with American as a back-up unit in those areas. Chairman Wimer stressed that the Fire District and the Ambulance District are not necessarily the same thing, rather certain areas are contracted with American, Zippo, and Golden Gate. Chairman Wimer said that he was under the impression that originally, Golden Gate Ambulance District had been set up to serve the 4 square mile area nf Golden Gate City. Commissioner Wenzel stated he would like to know the opinion of Golden Gate Ambulance District on giving the above mentioned area to American Ambulance. Mr. Wayne Martin, President of the Golden Gate Fire Association, stated that on July 2, 1970 the Golden Gate Fire Association adopted rules and regulations and boundaries which included the 13 square miles under discussion; the only reason the District was limited to that area was because at that timo it covered all the homes in Golden Gate City and the immediato area. He stated response time for that area is 4-6 minutes; there is no charge to customers for 24-hour service. He commented on the area of 951 and Alligator Alley stating that Golden Gate firehouse is approximately 3 miles away and American Ambulance is 6 miles. Commissioner Wenzel asked who requ'3sted the boundary change. Mr. Pickworth explained that the Board had directed this item be brought before them for discussion and recommendation. Mr. Earl Bartuccio, resident of Golden Gate Estates, stated he had relatives visiting at his home and on the night of February 17, 1978, one of his guests began experiencing chest pains. He called Golden Gate Ambulance who responded in a few minutes but he was informed by the ambulance driver that he is not authorized to transport the patient to the hospital and was forced to wait 30 minutes for American Ambulance to arrive on the scene for trans- port. Chairman Nimer & Mr. Pickworth confirmed that in case of dire February 27, 1978 emergency, anyone is authorized to transport an emergency patient to the hospiLal. Commissioner Wenzel suggested putting into the agreements that in case of cmergency any ambulance may transport to the hospital rcgardless of the boundaries. Mr. Ray Keithley, Golden Gate aroa resident, stated that he lives in Section 29, Unit 30 of Golden Gate and had been the one to initiate change in boundary lines for fire and ambulance pro- tection. He further stated he has a petition from residents in the area stating they would like to be included in the Golden Gate Fire District as well as the Ambulance Service as they are only 2 miles from the firehouse. Chairman Wimer stated the Board will be glad to accept the petition and take their request into considera- tion. Mr. Keithley commented the reason this area was not included in the first place was because the people were never contacted. Mr. Arthur Kaplan, President of Golden Gate Civic Association, suggested the boundaries be expanded in order to obtain ambulance service from Golden Gate for the contiguous area just west of Santa Barbara. Chairman Wimer suggested that Mr. Kaplan, or anyone alse having a concrete proposal, put it down in writing to present it to the staff for consideration by the Board. Mr. Dave Reeves, Chief of Golden Gate Fire Department, came forward to explain the circumstances involved with the death of Mr. Bartuccio's relative. He stated Golden Gate Ambulance had responded to the call at the same time receiving instructions that American Ambulance was also responding and would transport the patient to the hospital. When Golden Gate arrived, he went to work on the patient and was completely unaware of the time, further stating that even after American Ambulance had arrived, he was still working on the patient. Chief Reeves stated he is not sure exactly how long it took for American Ambulance to arrive on the scene. 579 bk 40 580 bk 40 February 27, 197B Chairman Wimer stated the concurrence of tho Doard is to leave tho boundaries as they are pending any further requests or actions. Commissioner Archer inquired as to whether the legal des- cription of the l3 square miles of Golden Gate Ambulance District is in writing. Mr. Pickworth explained the boundaries are described in the ordinance establishing the District and that on the Emer- gency Medical Services Certificate of Public Convenien~e and Neces- sity it states the ambulancc service provides 24 hour protection to thc area encompassing the Golden Gate Fire Control District. Commissioner Archer suggcsted removing the words "Golden Gate Fire Control District" on the certificate and insert the exact legal description of the area to make everyone aware of the actual ambu- lance district. Chairman Wimer directed the Staff to do so with the current boundaries pending any changes in the future. Mr. Hall stressed that in the future if the Golden Gate Fire Control District is expanded it does not necessarily mean the Ambulance District will expand also as they are two separate organizations. It was brought out by Chief Reeves that the Emergency Medical Service Permit for 1978 should also be changed to have the exact legal description on the permit. 'Mr. Hall referred to the visual map to point out the area that Zippo Ambulance services stating there was n proposal presented to the staff to decrease the boundaries but as far as he could see there was no rationale behind this proposal. Mr. Hall further stated that the current district for Zippo ambulance coincides with the Sheriff Department Immokalee Substdtion district and that both coincide with the 657 telephone exchange. Chairman Wimer directed the Zippo bound- aries be left as they are with the exact leqal description of the boundaries be put on the Certificate and Permit for 197B as with Golden Gate. Mr. Berzon stated that an exact leqal description for Zippo boundaries will have to be developed. February 27, 1978 Mr. Pickworth pointed out that a conflict has occurred in the Sh~riff's u~partment in refer~nce to the emergency maps which indi- cate that area south of the canal along Davis Boulevard presently served by Golden Gate, the calls are being given to American Ambu- lance and suggested this matter be straightened out. Commissioner Archer inquired which ambulance district can serve this area quicker. Mr. Jack Maguire, President of AmericAn Ambulance, expressed his opinion that since Golden Gate has to rely on volunteers responding to calls versus his organization where someone is on duty constantly, he has the more efficient method of servicing that particular area, further stating that the volunteer system of an ambulance district is a mistake on the part of the Board. In relation to the incident concerned with Mr. Dartuccio, Mr. Maguire said he has no knowledge of it. Commissioner Archer inquired as to the system Golden Gate Ambulance Service entails in notifying volunteers of an emergency. Chief Reeves stated all volunteers have devices in their homes and they are alerted at the same time the call comes in to the firehouse; most of the men go directly to the scene. Chairman Wimer directed that the area in question (Davis Boule- vard) be reviewed by the staff as to what ambulance district would be better qualified to service it and bring it back before the Board for consideration. In case of a change in houndaries, the Sheriff's Department should be notified so their maps will comply with the legal description of the boundaries, he said. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The meeting was adjourned by Order of the Chair at 12:15 P.M. 581 bk 40