Agenda 05/28/2019 Item # 2B (BCC Minutes 4/23/19)05/28/2019
COLLIER COUNTY
Board of County Commissioners
Item Number: 2.B
Item Summary: ***This item continued from the May 14, 2019 BCC Meeting*** Approval of
the April 23, 2019 - BCC Meeting Minutes
Meeting Date: 05/28/2019
Prepared by:
Title: Executive Secretary to County Manager – County Manager's Office
Name: MaryJo Brock
05/14/2019 7:34 AM
Submitted by:
Title: County Manager – County Manager's Office
Name: Leo E. Ochs
05/14/2019 7:34 AM
Approved By:
Review:
County Manager's Office MaryJo Brock County Manager Review Completed 05/14/2019 7:34 AM
Board of County Commissioners MaryJo Brock Meeting Pending 05/28/2019 9:00 AM
2.B
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April 23 , 2019
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Naples, Florida, April 23, 2019
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County ~
Commissioners, in and for the County of Collier, and also a · i
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the Board of Zoning Appeals and as the governing b ~=~~) of such
IRMAN: William L. McDaniel, Jr.
chs, County Manager
Burt L. Saunders
Donna Fiala
Andy Solis
Penny Taylor
ick Casalanguida, Deputy County Manager
Jeffrey A. Klatzkow, County Attorney
Crystal K . Kinzel, Clerk of the Circuit Court & Comptroller
Troy Miller, Communications & Customer Relations
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COLLIER COUNTY
Board of County Commissioners
Community Redevelopment Agency Board (CRAB)
Airport Authority
AGENDA
Board of County Commission Chambers
Collier County Government Center
3299 Tamiami Trail East, 3rd Floor
Naples, FL 34112
April 23, 2019
9:00 AM
Commissioner William L. McDaniel, Jr., District 5 -Chair; CRAB Co-Chair
Commissioner Burt Saunders, District 3 -Vice-Chair
Commissioner Donna Fiala, District 1; CRAB Co-Chair
Commissioner Andy Solis, District 2
Commissioner Penny Taylor, District 4
NOTICE: ALL PERSONS WISHING TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS MUST
REGISTER PRIOR TO PRESENTATION OF THE AGENDA ITEM TO BE
ADDRESSED. ALL REGISTERED SPEAKERS WILL RECEIVE UP TO THREE
(3) MINUTES UNLESS THE TIME IS ADJUSTED BY THE CHAIRMAN.
REQUESTS TO PETITION THE BOARD ON SUBJECTS WHICH ARE NOT ON
THIS AGENDA MUST BE SUBMITTED IN WRITING WITH EXPLANATION
TO THE COUNTY MANAGER AT LEAST 13 DAYS PRIOR TO THE DATE OF
THE MEETING AND WILL BE HEARD UNDER "PUBLIC PETITIONS."
PUBLIC PETITIONS ARE LIMITED TO THE PRESENTER, WITH A
MAXIMUM TIME OF TEN MINUTES.
ANY PERSON WHO DECIDES TO APPEAL A DECISION OF THIS BOARD
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WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDING PERTAINING THERETO,
AND THEREFORE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD
OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE
TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.
COLLIER COUNTY ORDINANCE NO. 2003-53 AS AMENDED BY
ORDINANCE 2004-05 AND 2007-24, REQUIRES THAT ALL LOBBYISTS
SHALL, BEFORE ENGAGING IN ANY LOBBYING ACTIVITIES (INCLUDING
BUT NOT LIMITED TO, ADDRESSING THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS), REGISTER WITH THE CLERK TO THE BOARD AT THE
BOARD MINUTES AND RECORDS DEPARTMENT.
IF YOU ARE A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY WHO NEEDS ANY
ACCOMMODATION IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCEEDING,
YOU ARE ENTITLED, AT NO COST TO YOU, THE PROVISION OF CERTAIN
ASSISTANCE. PLEASE CONTACT THE COLLIER COUNTY FACILITIES
MANAGEMENT DIVISION LOCATED AT 3335 EAST TAMIAMI TRAIL,
SUITE 1, NAPLES, FLORIDA, 34112-5356, (239) 252-8380; ASSISTED
LISTENING DEVICES FOR THE HEARING IMP AIRED ARE AVAILABLE IN
THE FACILITIES MANAGEMENT DIVISION.
LUNCH RECESS SCHEDULED FOR 12:00 NOON TO 1:00 P.M.
1. INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
A. Invocation by Reverend Craig Goodrich of First Presbyterian Church of
Naples
2. AGENDA AND MINUTES
A. Approval of today's regular, consent and summary agenda as amended ( ex
parte disclosure provided by commission members for consent agenda.)
B. March 26, 2019 -BCC Meeting Minutes
C. April 2, 2019 BCC/CRA Workshop Minutes
3. AW ARDS AND RECOGNITIONS
A. EMPLOYEE
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B. ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS
C. RETIREES
D. EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH
4. PROCLAMATIONS
A. Proclamation recognizing Legal Aid Service of Collier County for its
dedication to serving the most vulnerable and economically needy members
of our community. To be accepted by representatives of Legal Aid Service
of Collier County, Carol O'Callaghan and Jeff Ahren.
B. Proclamation designating April 27 -May 4, 2019 as Pickle ball Week in
Collier County, in recognition of the Minto US Open Pickle ball
Championships' return to East Naples Community Park, attracting more
than 2,000 players and more than 10,000 spectators from around the world,
making Collier County the Pickle ball Capital of the World. To be accepted
by Terri Graham, Chris Evon, Jim Ludwig and Carol Caefer.
C. Proclamation designating April 2019 as Sexual Assault Awareness Month in
Collier County. To be accepted by Eileen Wesley, Project HELP; Angela
Larson, Collier County Sheriffs Office; and Betty Ardaya McGuire, Office
of the State Attorney.
5. PRESENTATIONS
A. Presentation of the Collier County Business of the Month for April 2019 to
Humane Society Naples. To be accepted by Sarah Baeckler Davis,
Executive Director and Jon Foerster, Director of Community Affairs. Also
present is Bethany Sawyer representing the Greater Naples Chamber of
Commerce.
6. PUBLIC PETITIONS
A. Public Petition request from Mr. Michael Tirpak requesting that the Board of
County Commissioners change, with no fee, the zoning from residential to
commercial on Lot #11 of his property located at 3047 Terrace Avenue,
Naples FL 34104.
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7. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON GENERAL TOPICS NOT ON THE CURRENT
OR FUTURE AGENDA
8. BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
9. ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. This item was continued from the March 26, 2019 BCC meeting and
further continued from the April 9, 2019 BCC meeting.
Recommendation to adopt a Resolution approving an amendment to the
Collier County Community Redevelopment Plan. (This item is a companion
to Item #14Bl)
10. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
A. Request by Commissioner Solis to reconsider Item Number 11 B from the
March 26, 2019 BCC Meeting which reads, Recommendation to accept the
report and suggestions from the Tourist Development Council for next steps
in regulating Short Term Vacation rentals in the unincorporated area of
Collier County.
11. COUNTY MANAGER'S REPORT
A. Recommendation to accept the offer from Metro Commercial Development
Group LLC in the amount of $3,500,000 for the County-owned parcel
located between Immokalee Road and 4th Avenue Northeast (Randall Curve
parcel) and authorize the County Manager to negotiate a Developer
Contribution Agreement with Immokalee Road Rural Village for the
development of a joint County and School District project. (Toni A. Mott,
Real Property Manager, Public Utilities Department)
B. Recommendation to advertise a public hearing to consider the adoption of a
new ordinance to be called the Pollution Control and Prevention Ordinance,
consolidating, repealing and replacing Ordinance No. 87-79, regarding the
Transportation and Disposal of Sludge and repealing Resolution No. 88-311
regarding fees for sludge transportation and disposal permits. This proposed
ordinance will be in addition to Ordinance No. 89-20, the existing Collier
County Water Pollution Control Ordinance. (Danette Kinaszczuk, Pollution
Control Manager, Capital Project Planning, Impact Fees, and Program
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Management Division)
C. Recommendation to accept staffs report on sound transmission and
considerations regarding the regulation of sound transmission for new
attached single-family dwellings (townhouses). (James French, Deputy
Department Head, GMD)
D. This item to be heard at 10:45 a.m. Recommendation to review contract
deliverables and program outcomes associated with the Collier County
Accelerator program and provide direction to staff on the future of the
program. (Sean Callahan, Executive Director, Corporate Business
Operations)
12. COUNTY ATTORNEY'S REPORT
13. OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS
14. AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND/OR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT
AGENCY
A. AIRPORT
B. COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
1) This item was continued from the March 26, 2019 BCC meeting
and further continued from the April 9, 2019 BCC meeting.
Recommendation that the Community Redevelopment Agency Board
(CRAB) adopt a Resolution recommending to the Board of County
Commissioners approval of an amendment to the Collier County
Community Redevelopment Area Plan. (This item is a companion to
Item #9A)
15. STAFF AND COMMISSION GENERAL COMMUNICATIONS
A. Proposed Future Workshop Schedule
16. CONSENT AGENDA -All matters listed under this item are considered to be
routine and action will be taken by one motion without separate discussion of
each item. If discussion is desired by a member of the Board, that item(s) will
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be removed from the Consent Agenda and considered separately.
A. GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT
1) Recommendation to award an Agreement for Request for
Qualification (RFQ) No. 18-7482, "Real Estate Appraisal and
Consulting Services," to the following eight (8) firms; Wilcox
Appraisal Services Inc., Carroll & Carroll Appraisers & Consultants
LLC., Maxwell, Hendry & Simmons LLC., RKL Appraisal and
Consulting PLC., MPJ Real Estate Services Inc., Anderson & Carr
Inc., R&W Enterprises Inc., and Real Estate Analysts LLC.
2) Recommendation to authorize the Clerk of Courts to release a
Performance Bond in the amount of $34,040 which was posted as a
guaranty for Excavation Permit Number PL20160001004 for work
associated with Inspira at Lely Resort.
3) This item requires that ex parte disclosure be provided by
Commission members. Should a hearing be held on this item, all
participants are required to be sworn in. Recommendation to
approve for recording the minor final plat of Landings at Bear's Paw
Lot 10 Replat, Application Number PL20180001488.
4) Recommendation to approve final acceptance of the potable water
facilities for Germain Honda, PL20180000456, accept unconditional
conveyance of a portion of the potable water, and to authorize the
County Manager, or his designee, to release the Utilities Performance
Security (UPS) and Final Obligation Bond in the total amount of
$17,001.73 to the Project Engineer or the Developer's designated
agent.
5) Recommendation to approve final acceptance and unconditional
conveyance of the potable water and sewer utility facilities for
StoneCreek Plat Two Phases 2 and 3, PL20170003 l 74 and to
authorize the County Manager, or his designee, to release the Final
Obligation Bond in the amount of $4,000 to the Project Engineer or
the Developer's designated agent.
6) Recommendation to approve final acceptance and unconditional
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conveyance of the potable water utility facilities for Group President
Electronics USA, PL20170000545 and to authorize the County
Manager, or his designee, to release the Utilities Performance Security
(UPS) and Final Obligation Bond in the total amount of $4,920 to the
Project Engineer or the Developer's designated agent.
7) Recommendation to approve a Resolution for final acceptance of the
private roadway and drainage improvements, and acceptance of the
plat dedications, for the final plat of TwinEagles Phase Two B,
Application Number AR-9287, and authorize the release of the
maintenance security.
8) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign a
Collier County Landscape Maintenance Agreement ("Agreement")
between Collier County and Mattamy Tampa/Sarasota, LLC, for
landscape and irrigation improvements within the Bayshore Drive and
Pine Street Public Rights-of-Way.
9) Recommendation to authorize a budget amendment of $60,000 to
move funds in Stormwater Capital Fund 325 from Project Number
60139 to Project Number 33606, Cocohatchee and Palm River
Dredging.
10) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to execute
Amendment No. 3 to Contract No. 18-7245 with Taylor Engineering,
Inc., to include additional tasks for the Collier County Comprehensive
Watershed Improvement Plan.
11) Recommendation to release a Planned Unit Development (PUD)
Commitment for an emergency accessway within the Green Heron
PUD.
12) This item was continued from the April 9, 2019 BCC meeting.
Recommendation to approve the release of a code enforcement lien
with a value of $394,130.86 for payment of $2,080.86 in the code
enforcement actions entitled Board of County Commissioners v.
Edelmiro and Bemadita Robles, Code Enforcement Board Case No.
CESD20100009519 relating to property located at 4015 16TH Ave
SE, Collier County, Florida.
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13) This item was continued from the April 9, 2019 BCC meeting.
Recommendation to approve the release of two (2) code enforcement
liens with a value of $338,616.50 for payment of $3,000 in the code
enforcement actions entitled Board of County Commissioners v.
Richard L. Gossard, Jr and Evonne M. Estep, Code Enforcement
Special Magistrate Case No. CEPM2014024204 and Case No.
CEAU20160016271 relating to property located at 5310 Sholtz St,
Collier County, Florida.
14) Recommendation to approve an agreement with CenturyLink for the
relocation of the Everglades Switching Device located within the
project limits of Project No. 60145 "Design Build Golden Gate
Boulevard 4-Lane, from west of 20th Street East to east of Everglades
Boulevard, including drainage to the Faka Union Canal" in the
amount of $239,430.38 (Project No. 60145).
B. COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
C. PUBLIC UTILITIES DEPARTMENT
1) Recommendation to execute an Agreement and authorize a budget
amendment in an amount not to exceed $12,000 to provide the Golden
Gate Estates Area Civic Association, Inc. funding from the GAC Land
Trust for the purchase of two signs to welcome residents and visitors
to Golden Gate Estates.
2) Recommendation to approve a budget amendment in the amount of
$120,000 to reallocate Public Utilities Department wastewater project
funds to execute priority projects.
3) Recommendation to award an Agreement for Invitation to Bid No. 19-
7516, "Overhead Doors and Gates," to Atlas Door & Gate, Inc., for
county-wide overhead door and gate preventative maintenance and . . repair services.
4) Recommendation to award an Agreement for Request for Proposal
No. 18-7467, "Low Voltage and Security Access Infrastructure," to
Juice Technologies, Inc d/b/a Plug Smart for County-wide low voltage
and security access services.
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5) Recommendation to approve Amendment No. 2 to the Florida
Department of Environmental Protection (FDEP) Contract No.
GC919, to authorize FDEP to reimburse the County for expenditures
related to required training to appropriately administer the inspection
and compliance of the Contract.
6) Recommendation to approve a Certification of Financial
Responsibility, as required by the Florida Department of
Environmental Protection, for the renewal of an operating permit for
the deep injection well system at the North County Regional Water
Treatment Plant.
7) Recommendation to approve an Amendment with South Florida
Water Management District to continue leasing office space for
Tourism and Economic Development on Horseshoe Drive North.
8) Recommendation to support the sale of County-owned Lot 16, Block
20, of Lely Golf Estates, St. Andrews East to the Lely Golf Estates
Home Owners Association (HOA) at a price at or near market value,
but not less than $67,500.
D. PUBLIC SERVICES DEPARTMENT
1) Recommendation to adopt by Resolution, the State Housing Initiatives
Partnership (SHIP) Program Local Housing Assistance Plan for Fiscal
Years 2019-2020, 2020-2021, and 2021-2022, sign associated
certifications, reaffirm the Interlocal Agreement with the City of
Naples and authorize submission to the Florida Housing Finance
Corporation.
2) Recommendation to approve one ( 1) satisfaction of mortgage for the
State Housing Initiatives Partnership Loan Program in the amount of
$2,500.
3) Recommendation to approve a Resolution authorizing the expenditure
of County funds associated with the Safe and Healthy Children's
Coalition Duck Race Fundraiser and Water Safety Festival sponsored
by the Safe and Healthy Children's Coalition, a part of the non-profit
NCH Foundation, to include cost for County lifeguards to staff the
event and authorizing the waiver of the entrance fee to Sun-N-Fun
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Lagoon to all participants of the Great Duck Race of Naples and
Water Safety Festival Community for three (3) consecutive years and
to make a finding that this expenditure substantially serves a public
purpose.
4) Recommendation to accept and execute a Library Services and
Technology Act Grant in the amount of $2,875.12 and authorize the
necessary Budget Amendment.
5) Recommendation to approve the submittal of a revised 2018 Federal
Transit Administration (FTA) Section 5324 Emergency Relief Grant
application in the amount of $196,978 to repair damages to Collier
Area Transit (CAT) vehicles and facilities as a result of Hurricane
Irma, approve the acceptance of the award through the Transit Award
Management System (TrAMS), and authorize the necessary Budget
Amendment.
6) Recommendation to approve the Authorizing Resolution and to
provide approval for the submittal of the FY19-20 Shirley Conroy
Rural Capital Equipment Support Grant in the amount of $79,118 to
the Florida Commission for Transportation Disadvantaged for the
procurement of one (1) Ford Cutaway Transit Vehicle.
7) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign the
Second Amendment to the Criminal Justice, Mental Health and
Substance Abuse Reinvestment Grant Agreement between Collier
County and the Department of Children and Families and the
corresponding Subrecipient Agreements between Collier County and
David Lawrence Mental Health Center, Inc., Collier County Sheriffs
Office and NAMI Collier County.
8) Recommendation to award three (3) Agreements for Request for
Proposal (RFP) #18-7383, "Museum Exhibit Design, Fabrication and
Installation," to Exhibit Concepts, Inc., Explus, Inc., and Riggs Ward,
LLC.
9) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign the
Cost Share Agreement with the Pelican Isle Yacht Club, Inc., to
complete a maintenance dredge of the shared canal immediately west
of Cocohatchee Park not to exceed $45,000.
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10) Recommendation to authorize a Budget Amendment recognizing
Local Housing Trust Fund revenue of $142,052.48 received as a result
of the sale of County-owned surplus land.
E. ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES DEPARTMENT
1) Recommendation to approve one reclassification to the 2019 Fiscal
Year Pay & Classification Plan made from January 1, 2019 through
March 31, 2019.
2) Recommendation to approve a Memorandum of Understanding
(MOU) between the Collier County Board of County Commissioners,
through the Emergency Management Division, and Florida
Southwestern State College for facility use during times of local
emergency or disaster.
3) Recommendation to authorize expenditures in excess of $50,000 but
not to exceed $100,000 per fiscal year, to REV RTC, Inc. d/b/a Hall-
Mark R TC, as a sole source vendor for fleet parts, repairs and
services.
4) Recommendation to approve the administrative report prepared by the
Procurement Services Division for disposal of property and
notification of revenue disbursement.
5) Recommendation to approve the Administrative Reports prepared by
the Procurement Services Division for change orders and other
contractual modifications requiring Board approval.
F. COUNTY MANAGER OPERATIONS
1) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to execute
the Sponsorship Agreement in the annual amount of $440,035
between Collier County and MSNC, LLC dba Football University for
the 2019 and 2020 Football University National Championships and
make a finding that the sponsorship expenditures promote tourism.
2) Recommendation to adopt a resolution approving amendments
( appropriating grants, donations, contributions or insurance proceeds)
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to the Fiscal Year 2018-19 Adopted Budget.
3) Recommendation to award Invitation to Bid (ITB) No. 19-7533 for
Purchase and Delivery of Pine Straw Mulch, to SiteOne Landscape
Supply and authorize staff to issue standard County Purchase Orders
to acquire the mulch.
4) Recommendation to adopt a resolution approving the proposed Project
Peak as a qualified applicant to Florida's Qualified Target Industry
(QTI) Tax Refund program, providing up to $80,000 of local financial
support for an expansion of the corporate headquarters and medical
device manufacturing project which will create 80 new jobs in Collier
County, Florida.
G. AIRPORT AUTHORITY
1) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to sign the
attached Collier County Airport Authority Standard Form Lease
Agreement with Career Aviation Flight Training & Aircraft Rental,
Holding, LLC for office and counter space at the Marco Island
Executive Airport
2) Recommendation that the Board, acting as the Collier County Airport
Authority, approve the attached Change Order #2 to the Hangar
Repair Contract with Alen Construction Group, Inc., to extend the
schedule provided in Agreement No. 18-7332 by twenty-five days.
3) Recommendation to approve and authorize the Chairman to execute
the attached Resolution authorizing execution of Contract No. G 1643
with the Florida Department of Transportation for construction of the
Aircraft Apron and associated Airfield Safety Improvements at the
Marco Island Executive Airport.
H. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
1) Proclamation designating May 10, 2019 as Preschool Provider
Appreciation Day in Collier County. This proclamation will be mailed
to the Early Leaming Coalition of Southwest Florida.
I. MISCELLANEOUS CORRESPONDENCE
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J. OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS
1) To record in the minutes of the Board of County Commissioners, the
check number ( or other payment method), amount, payee, and
purpose for which the referenced disbursements were drawn for the
periods between March 28, 2019 and April 10, 2019 pursuant to
Florida Statute 136.06.
2) Request that the Board approve and determine valid public purpose
for invoices payable and purchasing card transactions as of April 17,
2019.
3) Miscellaneous Correspondence
K. COUNTY ATTORNEY
1) Recommendation to appoint a member to the Collier County Citizen
Corps.
2) Recommendation to appoint a member to Conservation Collier Land
Acquisition Advisory Committee.
3) Recommendation to approve the settlement in the lawsuit styled Garry
Severe and Falloune Joseph v. Collier County (Case No. 18-CA-
1080), now pending in the Circuit Court of the Twentieth Judicial
Circuit in and for Collier County, for the sum of $20,000, and
authorize the Chair to execute the Memorandum of Mediated
Settlement.
17. SUMMARY AGENDA -This section is for advertised public hearings and
must meet the following criteria: 1) A recommendation for approval from
staff; 2) Unanimous recommendation for approval by the Collier County
Planning Commission or other authorizing agencies of all members present
and voting; 3) No written or oral objections to the item received by staff, the
Collier County Planning Commission, other authorizing agencies or the
Board, prior to the commencement of the BCC meeting on which the items
are scheduled to be heard; and 4) No individuals are registered to speak in
opposition to the item. For those items which are quasi-judicial in nature, all
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participants must be sworn in.
A. Recommendation to adopt a resolution approving amendments
(appropriating carry forward, transfers and supplemental revenue) to the
Fiscal Year 2018-19 Adopted Budget.
18. ADJOURN
Inquiries concerning changes to the Board's Agenda should be made to the County
Manager's Office at 252-8383.
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MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, you have a live mic.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Good morning, everyone.
We're going to move through our processes here this morning,
and we're going to do our typical prayer and pledge, but once
everybody finds a seat and relaxes for a second, I'm going to cal r
a moment of silence. "Z>
One of our colleagues passed this morning, Larry Kik , Lee
County Commissioner. He passed away this morning, -""•II,._ .... ~ like
to --Larry was a fine man and a wonderful public se and I'd
like to call for a brief moment of silence and a pra his family,
if we could. ~
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes, please .
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: If you ~~' please. Thank you.
(Moment of silence.) • ~
COMMISSIONER FIALA: irman, could we also
the county for, what, 3 0
years?
MR. OCHS: Thirt~
COMMISSIONER A: And we just lost him last week, and
truly a fine gentleman ¥d really involved in our parks and the
children in our c munity. So just a special note to pay some tribute
to Murdo sm· T nk you.
CHA ~· McDANIEL: Thank you.
Okay. that, we'll go to our invocation, and Reverend Craig
Goo ~illliiiilr he First Presbyterian Church.
INVOCATION GIVEN BY CRAIG GOODRICH OF THE FIRST
PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH
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REVEREND GOODRICH: Let us pray. Oh, God, for another
day and the gift of it, we give you thanks. For life and health and
breath, we give you thanks. We know how precarious this life is.
For the beauty of this day and the wonder of this world, we give
you thanks. We thank you for the opportunities and challenges o
this day, for a fresh beginning, for simple things like Sunshi~~ ~
friendship and good coffee. ~
We thank you for our country, state, and county, a.,_,,...._. thank
you that you made us not a self-sufficient people but
need each other, and so we form community and 1!.~~
thank you this day for our county commission a al who serve
this county, and we ask that for all who partici t today from
proclamations to presentations to speakin decisions, give to all a
spirit of insight, wisdom, courage, ap il · f e one another's points
of view, determination to act for t of all. Bring to this
meeting today openness and trust o passion, clarity, collaboration,
integrity, justice, and joy; that t end of this day, everyone would
know that all will be wel .__ ..... ~od work has been done . Amen.
CHAIRMAN McD~ L: Thank you, sir.
Commissioner So ~, would you lead us this morning.
COMMISS ER SOLIS: I would.
(The Ple g o llegiance was recited in unison.)
· Good morning, Commissioners.
~~· N McDANIEL: Good morning, sir.
AP OVAL OF TODA Y'S REGULAR, CONSENT AND
SUMMARY AGENDA AS AMENDED (EXPARTE
DISCLOSURE PROVIDED BY COMMISSION MEMBERS FOR
CONSENT AGENDA.) -APPROVED AND/OR ADOPTED
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W/CHANGES (COMMISSIONER SOLIS ABSTAINED FROM
VOTING ON ITEM #16A10)
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, these are the proposed agenda
changes for the Board of County Commissioners meeting of ~
April 23rd, 2019. ~ ~ ~
The first proposed change is to add Item 4D to your ~
proclamations. This is a proclamation declaring May 2 s National
Day of Prayer, and this was added at Commissioner
request. ,n~
The next proposed change is to move Ite ~~o become
Item 1611 on your constitutional officer conse a enda. That was
just misplaced on the agenda, and those a~.,2ur routine
miscellaneous correspondence. • ~
And we have three time-cert · '!~·;:!~Son today's agenda. The
first is Item 1 lA to be heard at 10 . . aving to do with the 47-acre
county-owned lot ref erred to andall Curve parcel.
At 10:45 a.m. you'r ......... ...,.... ... ed to hear Item 1 lD. That's a
discussion of the contract iverables and future direction of your
county business acceler tor program.
And, finall , o sooner than 1 p.m. you're scheduled to hear
Item 1 0A, w · is reconsideration vote regarding the Board's
short-term rentals.
~.-:i n the changes that I have this morning, sir.
~.....,-~~SSIONER SAUNDERS: Mr. Chairman, could I ask
edural question. On the issue dealing with the short-term
re 1 , my understanding is --and Mr. Klatzkow, correct me if I'm
wro g, this really is a procedural issue. It's a question of whether or
not we're going to vote a simple majority vote to reconsider that
action that was taken several weeks ago, and if we vote to do that, we
don't take testimony. We don't have a hearing today. We put that on
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our next scheduled agenda; is that our procedure?
MR. KLATZKOW: That's absolutely correct.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So we can do this at
1 o'clock, but --
MR. KLATZKOW: Do it now if you want to.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: We could do it now.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Well, that --I woul,~irn
the Chairman on that. I think we have three votes to rec 1 er.
so if we set this for 1 o'clock, we may have a roomfu ople that
come here with the understanding that they're goi ............ --'"'"'....,e speaking
on this, and it's really not an opportunity fort_-.""""' __
So maybe the best approach would be let' s e i there's a
majority to reconsider, and if there is, jus that and move on. So
it's Mr. Solis' item, but I just though! I ring that out.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: favor if that. I think we
already have folks here that we co -.L ~•'LJ ave them half a day.
CHAIRMAN McDANI . ght. And with that thought
process, I just would like .,......_.,,..,oday's consideration is just for the
reconsideration. We will t it at a time-certain. I would like that
time-certain to be on o second meeting in May and at a time-certain
to be announce ce we see what that actual schedule is like where
we will actua a a hearing and invite the public to come and
speak on t at 1 e. So today is just a vote to reconsider the item.
COM IONER FIALA: But no mention to the audience as
~-.ri om the audience or anything, we have no comments, so
e body can understand or pass it on to their colleagues --
AIRMAN McDANIEL: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: --they're not going to be heard
today.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Jeffrey has a lot of emails to send
out as soon as we vote.
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So if you --it would be --do we want to wait until the agenda is
set and then go into that, or do you want to just go ahead and do it
now? I'd take the motion now if you want to.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I think that would be the best thing
just for everyone that's going to wait around for four hours, yea~~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So --and you're --I don't~'\~ .
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'm sorry? ~
MR. OCHS: So you're moving Item l0A to discu iri~ ight
now? ~~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct. ~ ~
MR. OCHS: May I read that --~~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Am I allowe cv~.do that?
MR. OCHS: --just for the benefit o e audience?
~◊ Sure.
Item #l0A
REQUEST BY COMMI ~L...I.... SOLIS TO RECONSIDER ITEM
NUMBER #1 lB FROM MARCH 26, 2019 BCC MEETING
WHICH READS, TO ¥, PT THE REPORT AND
SUGGESTION OM THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT
COUNCIL F N T STEPS IN REGULATING SHORT TERM
VACATI N TALSINTHEUNINCORPORATEDAREAOF
COLLIER TY -MOTION TO RECONSIDER THIS ITEM
AT ~., CERTAIN AT THE SECOND BOARD MEETING IN
___,,_.__._PPROVED
MR. OCHS: This is a request by Commissioner Solis to
reconsider Item No. 1 lB from the March 26th, 2019, BCC meeting
which reads: A recommendation to accept the report and suggestions
from the Tourist Development Council for next steps in regulating
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short-term vacation rentals in the unincorporated area of Collier
County. That appears as Item l0A on today's agenda, Mr. Chairman.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct.
did that last time, and that's here for a vote today.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And I'll second that
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Would the motion maker ~"'
the reconsideration will be on our second meeting in M t
time-certain to be determined?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yes, the second ~,.,.__.__._
a time-certain.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And the seco cl okay with that?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: C
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL:
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL:
COMMISSIONER SOL
COMMISSIONER
CHAIRMAN McD~ L: Aye.
COMMISSIONE SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRM McDANIEL: Opposed, same --
COMM O R TAYLOR: Opposed.
CHA \~~ McDANIEL: Motion carries 4-1.
COM IONER SAUNDERS: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I
~~~e consideration there.
OCHS: Mr. Chairman, we move to Item 2A, approval of
' regular, consent, and summary agenda, including ex parte
disc osure on the consent and summary agenda.
Item #2D -Added
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ARTIST OF THE MONTH IS HILDA CHAMPION -
ANNOUNCED
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And before we go there and before
everybody leaves the room, if you would hold for me one secon .
was remiss in my first meeting of the month to announce the ·
Hilda Champion. Hilda was born and raised in Europe but
much of her adult life traveling around the globe. Thos
provided her with opportunities to experience and ap, .......... ,,_.
found in many difficult cultures --different cultur
Hilda discovered photography late in he · e is primarily
self-taught. Her aspiration in photography is 1 s bout showing the
world as it is but rather to help people see e unseen. She describes
her images as based on true fantasy.. rks --Hilda's works
have been shown in national and i__...~..,,.a: · onal exhibitions, and her
images have won numerous award a: accolades.
If you would, please, tak .___..__.__,c...,,ment as we come and go today
on a break just to view h rk. I was remiss in our first meeting
in announcing that till lat the day, and everybody had gone. So
we're giving her due cor ideration.
And with t thank you.
Okay . w 1 go to adjustments in the agenda and ex parte.
Com iss r Solis.
COM IONER SOLIS: On the consent agenda, I have no
lthough I do believe I have a conflict with 16A10, so I
on that. I'll abstain from 16A 10. No other changes other
e one that we just took care of, 1 0A.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you. No changes, no
recommendations, no ex parte on the consent or the summary
judgment, and that's all I have to declare.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: No ex parte and no changes.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And, Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Ditto.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Ditto. And I --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No ex parte, no changes
agenda.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Nor do I. So with thal,, e e ready
togo. ~~
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Move to approv-" ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Then we'll -~ ~
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second. ►1 ,
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's bee oved and approved (sic)
that we accept today's agenda as amf n in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS:
COMMISSIONER FIALA:
CHAIRMAN McDANI e.
: Aye. COMMISSIONER
COMMISSIONER
CHAIRMAN Mcl)A.
DERS: Aye.
IEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No respon
CHAI N cDANIEL: So moved.
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Proposed Agenda Changes
Board of County Commissioners Meeting
April 23, 2019
Add-On Item 4D: Proclamation declaring May 2, 2019 as the National Day of Prayer in Collier
County. (Commissioner McDaniel's request)
Move Item 16J3 to Item 1611: Miscellaneous Correspondence. (Staff's request)
Time Certain Items:
Item llA to be heard at 10:00 a.m.
Item llD to be heard at 10:45 a.m.
Item lOA to be heard no sooner than 1:00 p.m.
5/7/2019 2:55 PM
April 23, 2019
Item #2B and #2C
MARCH 26, 2019 REGULAR MEETING MINUTES AND THE
APRIL 2, 2019 BCC/CRA WORKSHOP MINUTES-APPROVED
AS PRESENTED ~
MR. OCHS: Item 2B is approval of the Board of Cou
Commissioner meeting minutes from the March 26th, 2
meeting.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Motion to appro _.., ....... .., minutes
from the March 22nd meeting as well as the fl meeting for
the workshop.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Seco .
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It'~ b
accept both the minutes from --th -,.. ....... ~
meetings. Any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McD
COMMISSIONER
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ed and seconded we
es from both of those
IRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
R. OCHS: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Item #4
PROCLAMATIONS -ONE MOTION TAKEN TO ADOPT ALL
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PROCLAMATIONS
Item #4A
PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING LEGAL AID SERVICE
COLLIER COUNTY FOR ITS DEDICATION TO SERVI
MOST VULNERABLE AND ECONOMICALLY NEE
MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. ACCEPTED
REPRESENTATIVES OF LEGAL AID SERVICE
COUNTY, CAROL O'CALLAGHAN AND JEF
ADOPTED ~-,.
OLLIER
N-
MR. OCHS: That moves us to Ite hose are
proclamations. Item 4A is a procl "~·..,..ognizing Legal Aid
Service of Collier County for its d · 10n to serving the most
vulnerable and economically n embers of our community.
To be accepted by re e ives of Legal Aid Service of
Collier County, Carol a n and Jeff Ahren.
(Applause.)
CHAIRMA~c ANIEL: She does that all the time. She
ostracizes you.
COMM O ER SOLIS: Yeah. I get left out all the time.
The story ~~~-1:,· 1fe.
0 LLAHAN: Hello. I'm Carol O'Callahan. I'm the
ttorney at Legal Aid Service of Collier County, and I want
Commissioner Solis, Fiala, McDaniel, Taylor, and Saunders
ur --for this proclamation.
Every year at Legal Aid we are able to assist roughly around
3,000 Collier County residents with matters of critical, legal, civil
assistance. We assist --we prioritize the safety, health, and security,
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economic security of the residents of Collier County, assisting
victims of domestic violence, child abuse, human trafficking, seniors,
veterans, those at risk facing homelessness either through eviction or
foreclosure.
And we are very grateful for your support in this mission.
year, additionally, we also held a Vita (phonetic) clinic whic ·
concluded, a free income tax preparation where we brought lmost
$300,000 of refunds for community residents all compl 'M"'...,.llo.l..J'--ree.
We'd like to thank the NCEF, Naples Children a ucation
Foundation, which funds our children's program. ' e the
founders of the Winter Wine Festival; also th u who facilitate
the CDBG grant which funds our domestic vio n e program;
Southwest Florida Community Foundatio , the Community
Foundation of Collier County; the C.ol · nty Women's
Foundation; and the United Way support all of what we do.
In addition to the 30 --rou h staff members we have that
help those 3,000, we also hav t 200 local pro bono attorneys
who help us when we ca t ist in-house, and we are very grateful
to all those and to the Co · r County Bar Association. So thank you,
Commissioners. Than~ou, Commissioner Solis.
COMMISS ER SOLIS: Do you have an event coming up?
MS. O'C · L AN: We do have an event coming up. Thank
you for th er. Our annual fund raiser is the 25th, which is this
Thursday, .,.ri,P....,,. is our Barrister's Bash where we also recognize all
of th e have given to our community. So our attorney of the
y,::,,--1"} 1rm of the year, volunteer of the year, and a number of
ot wards. So if anybody's interested, it's on our website, and we
wou d welcome anybody to attend. So thank you very much.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Absolutely, thank you.
MS. O'CALLAHAN: Thank you.
(Applause.)
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Item #4B
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING APRIL 27 -MAY 4, 2019 AS
PICKLEBALL WEEK IN COLLIER COUNTY, IN ~
RECOGNITION OF THE MINTO US OPEN PICKLEBAL ~
CHAMPIONSHIPS' RETURN TO EAST NAPLES COM·~ ITY
PARK, ATTRACTING MORE THAN 2,000 PLAYER @ D
MORE THAN 10,000 SPECTATORS FROM ARO ~ 1'HE
WORLD, MAKING COLLIER COUNTY THE p _,..___ BALL
CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. ACCEPTED .....,._~n -T">I' GRAHAM,
CHRIS EVON AND CAROL CAEFER - A
MR. OCHS: Item 4B is a proc a.~(~1111,,.~'U'-esignating April 27th
through May 4th, 2019, as Pickle 1 k in Collier County in
recognition of the Minto US Open 1 le ball Championship's return
to East Naples Community Pa acting more than 2,000 players
and more than 10,000 sp 1'11111,L""'° around the world making Collier
County the Pickle ball Ca Of the World.
To be accepted thi morning by Terri Graham, Chris Evon, and
Carol Caefer. I u'd please step forward and receive your
proclamation
CO I NER FIALA: I have it on backwards, but that
. .....,.,., ... ..__. what it says. You will be telling us about how many
~..,.~ming into town and all of that good stuff now?
GRAHAM: Right now or later.
MMISSIONER FIALA: Good. Thanks, Bill.
MS. GRAHAM: Good morning. Thank you very much. My
name's Terri Graham. I'm the cofounder of the Minto US Pickleball
Championships. And we have a very, very exciting event planned
next week. We have over 2,000 people coming in, just players. I
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don't know what we're thinking, but we're going to hopefully show
them a good time.
We have 8-to 10,000 spectators. We're sold out Friday and
Saturday evening.
The park looks outstanding; a big shout out to Barry Willia
and his team for Parks and Rec. The park looks better than ~ ~
looked for the four years we've been here.
We have Spirit Promotions put up a scoreboard thi G . It's 10
by 6, I believe; monster scoreboard in ChampionshiP. , and
patriotic. The Championship Court we put up thr~~~·,_o U.S. flags
this year. You walk in there, it's breathtaking ~
Rotary Club has put --because of your co~ment, Commissioner
Taylor, last year saying what happened to e flags, well, Rotary Club
came, and they've put flags down T o..lAf'-....,.~.'-"~ 11 the way to
Bayshore, and they've got more to . So it's not done yet.
Commissioner Fiala, if you swin "t's not done yet. They've done
a great job with us. Kiwanis parking cars raising money for
Christmas in July for the · ogram serving East Naples.
It's going to be a hec an event. Please, please come over.
We'd love to see you t~e.
COMMISS ER TAYLOR: Let's talk about community
support. Ho an olunteers do you have?
MS. ""'~lllii;:,,.:J,,.'T M: We have close to 500, Chris.
MR. : Over 500.
G HAM: Five hundred volunteers. And those are local ~~
well as people flying in just to volunteer for the event. This
e oes not run without the support of the volunteers. They're the
first to get there in the morning, and they're the last to leave at night.
And they'll be walking around with neon green shirts all week. It's
got to be one of the largest volunteer pools of any event in this area,
for sure.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: It is.
MS. GRAHAM: Yes, Commissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. Could you tell me how many
countries people are coming from? I mean, you'd think it's US Open,
but they come from other countries. And how many states will ~
represented there, too? ~
MS. GRAHAM: Well, I'll tell you we missed four sta 1s
year, and we were so bummed when we go through --~ e went
through the list, only four states are not represented. ~·---hen people
would say, but I'm coming as a spectator. So as£ -:,._.-i
have every state represented.
We have about 16 countries, and that's ki f expanding every
year. It's really tough to figure out. We j sent a Facebook post
out. If you're born in a different co ng from a different
country, let us know for our flag c-~--~--'-''"'.. on Saturday night. So
we're thinking it's around 16.
This sport's just --it's bo all over the country, and it's
booming all over the wo ' lSig down in, you know, Brazil and
Mexico, big in Canada, b · 's also growing in Europe, and I would
have to say Europe's o o the fastest growing areas in the world of
pickleball right
COMM R TAYLOR: It's my understanding that the
rate center, that he's building a lot of recreational
a.111""""ickleball court.
HAM: Many of them. I think he built 12 up there,
., .. __. ........... e'll expand on it. But, you know, one of the things we talk
o you all the time when we present is this isn't just a seven-day
eve t. This event affects Collier County 12 months out of the year.
And if you're on social media, it's nonstop people saying they're
either going to Naples to see where the US Open takes place or where
should I go? My family wants to go on a trip. I've got to have
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pickle ball, and people will just start chiming in, go to Naples.
So this really isn't just this seven-day event. We preach it all the
time that you're getting tourism based off pickle ball because of East
Naples Community Park.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: When do you start preparin~~
this, you and Chris? When do you start preparing for this? ,, '\ "Ow Y
MS. GRAHAM: Well, we start --for next year? ~
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah. 0
MS. GRAHAM: We start May 5th, and so does :-__ -.,,.,._L--.nd Carol
as well. You know, we'll start May 5th for next y
people think this takes us a month to prepare.
12-month --we may take a week off in June, b therwise it's like a
12-month job. It's a job. C, .-
COMMISSIONER FIALA: A d ~ow, I was just on a
cruise, and people from all differe '--' .... L .. rt ries were there, and they
were asking where we were from ~ ... ~Pl.Jo forth, and when I said
Naples, Florida, somebody wi avy accent said, oh, that's where
the pickleball champions · s
MS. GRAHAM: I b . ve it.
COMMISSIONE FI LA: And I don't know that people
realize that it's --is isn't just the only time pickleball is played.
They have to m ts. They have classes. They have academies all
year long. Thi ings in more and more and more people to that one
little tin p nl,illl,6 nd it's fun.
AN McDANIEL: It's all of our parks. I mean, I
- ' e had several meetings with Parks and Rec. For the Big
rew Regional Park, we actually adjusted a portion of that to
for pickleball courts to be constructed as we're going, so yay.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Good.
MS. GRAHAM: Yeah, your community's created a monster
down here, and the people are just flocking to the area to play.
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So thank you very much for your support. Hope to see you out
there next week.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Good luck.
MS. GRAHAM: Thank you.
(Applause.)
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'm still trying to figure out
happened to the McDaniel-Solis pickleball challenge.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And the only thing I ~o say is I
thought you just got stared scared. That's all I'm sayi ~ ~
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Now, everybod ' leaving, you
ought to just plan that so that we all know wh t a lenge is.
MS. GRAHAM: Winner take all.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Win
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: A ~ y ...,._,....._,.~r-;;,· , Commissioner Solis
was a professional tennis player. ~
COMMISSIONER TA YLO · at doesn't help.
CHAIRMAN McDANI~ ell, I would be up for that, if you
want to put it on next ye ~aa. Want to?
MS. GRAHAM: Ye
CHAIRMAN Mc l)A. IEL: Okay.
COMMISS ER FIALA: Squish it on this one.
MS. G A . We probably have time this year.
CHA McDANIEL: Not this year. This year? I might
PR CLAMATION DESIGNATING APRIL 2019 AS SEXUAL
ASSAULT AWARENESS MONTH IN COLLIER COUNTY.
ACCEPTED BY EILEEN WESLEY, PROJECT HELP; ANGELA
LARSON, COLLIER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE; AND BETTY
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ARDA YA MCGUIRE, OFFICE OF THE STATE ATTORNEY -
ADOPTED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, that takes us to Item 4C. This is a
proclamation designating April 2019 as Sexual Assault A warene
Month in Collier County. To be accepted by Eileen Wesley :6
Project HELP; Angela Larson with your Collier County Sh · s
Office; and Betty Ardaya McGuire from the Office oft t te
Attorney. If you'd please step forward.
(Applause.)
MS. WESLEY: Well, good morning.
Wesley. I work for Project HELP. We're the ..,,,.,.,r,,... recovery and
victim service center for Collier County. are honored that the
commissioners have helped recogni i e 1 Sexual Assault
Awareness Month. ~
It's really important that eve y understand that every year
we have a new theme. This Y. eme is "I ask," which means
consent is really , really i~.~~:~~,, ... ; and take that through all avenues
of life consent is importarr
We have been se ~ng victims of violent crime and sexual
assault since 19 and last year alone we served over 3,000
er e victims at our agency, and we answered over
lls for people that are in crisis.
t --currently I have a staff of 10, and they're mighty
're extremely mighty. They're sitting back here, and I
..,, ...... ,.J ... ._, ...... p ,a ...... every day. I work very closely with Angela Larson at the
County Sheriffs Office, along with Jackie, and Betty at the
Stat Attorney's Office to help bring justice to people who have been
wronged.
And our job is to make sure without any prejudice, any
anything, we believe them from the moment we meet them through
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the end of their journey which is usually --it could be a lifetime.
You know, we do have people that come to us for a very, very long
time because the pain of their trauma is just too much for them to
handle.
So for our community to understand that we're out there, we
not at the beach eating bonbons, that we're out serving the pe
our community, and that we're available. All our services af"!llll.nr
they're confidential, our help line is confidential, and w ~ want
everybody to know that we're here, and we will help ~ .. J-'ver needs
to be helped.
And if you don't know where to go, our----...._ .....
anybody. They can find resources. They can ear to listen to
somebody. And our community, I just w to make sure that
everybody's aware that we're out he ~e, re here to help, and we
can't thank you enough, County C ~;? ... ~..,1 1oners, for recognizing us.
COMMISSIONER TA YLO · at's your phone number?
MS. WESLEY: Oh. Ou -line number is 239-262-7227,
and they can direct you t ..,,__V'll_..._1ce number or any resource that you
need, and that is available J hours a day.
And we do have a event coming up in November; I remember
with Carol not r embering. We have a night at Monte Carlo.
Where it's go· to --we're moving it uptown. We're going to the
Hilton, an we going to have a night of gambling, food, drinks,
music, just of fun, getting together to celebrate all the hard work
~-.ef'~cy has done over all the years.
ant to thank you very much for honoring us today.
pplause.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Before you go; ma'am, before you
go away.
Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Just to show you how
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backward the State of Florida was in dealing with a sexual assault,
when I got elected to the Florida Legislature in 1994, the first bill that
I ran was a bill dealing with the evidence collection in rapes. And
back in those days if a woman was raped and wound up in the
hospital or went to the hospital at the direction of the Sheriffs
Department, they would do a test. They used what they callee\~
kit to collect evidence, and then they charged the woman $~
collect that evidence. 0
And so --as a matter of fact, I've got a picture i ffice of a
bill signing with then Governor Lawton Chiles, an.,.. ___ L_.__..,
bill that I ran was to eliminate the charges to ~· ......:.i_ --~
that were imposed by the State of Florida.
Also, Project HELP was one of thos ings that I got involved
with very early on. I think I was on.th o Commission at the
time, and I know that Project HEL _____ .._. one a great job with dealing
with victims of sexual assault in · ing the hot-line services.
So I just want to thank Y~~ .... ..., .... _._.. just let the public know just how
background Florida was much progress has been made.
MS. WESLEY: An t bill did a lot, because women and men
would not come u~ bec~se they'd have to pay. A lot of people don't
have money. S en they were being charged for rape kits, you
know, they w w this going in, and they would say no. So we
would los the tice for them. We would lose the healing process
~,....,,,iig no charge for a forensic exam is amazing. You know,
c~..-n.,lti. ing we offer as well as our free services to the community.
o t ank you for that.
I really, truly do. That is a big step. And every year we try to
take --sexual violence movement is baby steps. There's never any
big leap and bound, but there's been a large paradigm shift in the
movement as far as awareness and some of the prevention, and
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legislation and representatives are starting to listen to us.
You were progressive. You listened to us back in the '90s.
There's now people that listen to us today. So we're really trying hard
to get the rights of every sexual assault victim to be heard, and to be
put in the book. So I thank you. ~
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Thank you for what y~, .
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Absolutely. Thank you. ~
MS. WESLEY: Thank you very much. ,tO
(Applause.) ~~
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And thank yo =r~""".,~ ........ ator
Saunders, for your courage to step out and de .... T"llij~ st· ce.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: It certa· 1 --I appreciate you
saying that. And the good news is the le · ture, I think, approved
that bill unanimously, both House ap d ate, so that was perhaps
a start to bring some awareness to · ~
Item #4D
PROCLAMATION DEC ING MAY 2, 2019 AS NATIONAL
DAY OF PRAYER IN~O LIER COUNTY -ADOPTED;
ACCEPTED B~M FLANAGAN
· Next Item is an add-on item added by
Commissi _,,,,,._, cDaniel. It's Item 4D, a proclamation declaring
May 9, as the National Day of Prayer in Collier County.
issioner, I don't know if you had someone designated to
or --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Jim Flanagan doesn't know it yet,
but he's going to be the acceptor, unless there's somebody else here,
Jim. Is there? I don't believe so there is. Jim helped me orchestrate
this up. And I would like to say that May 2nd is a wonderful day.
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Pastor Grant from New Hope Church is primarily the leader of
our band over there. It's at the community center in Golden Gate. It's
pastors from all religious faiths from all communities are invited to
come for an evening of prayer, and it's an amazing, amazing,
powerful event. So if you --I would invite everyone. Everyone
welcome. ,, '\ '(>
COMMISSIONER FIALA: What is the date? ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: May 2nd. ,t 0
(Applause.) ~~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: If you would, pl ,~m. Thank
you very much. I appreciate you helping me · t.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Thank o
well.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR:.F _________ a cookies.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: told me about cookies.
COMMISSIONER TA YLN . It's his special brew.
There's only one Flantastic. ► ~.:
MR. OCHS: Mr. C .... lllllldll" ... , that concludes today's
proclamations. If I could a motion to approve.
COMMISSIONE TAYLOR: So moved.
COMMISS ER FIALA: Second.
CHAI N cDANIEL: It's been moved and seconded we
accept tod
(Nor
clamations. Any discussion?
se.)
AN McDANIEL: All in favor?
~~ MISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
~MMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
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(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
Item #5A
PRESENTATION OF THE COLLIER COUNTY BUSINES ~ I ~
THE MONTH FOR APRIL 2019 TO HUMANE SOCIETN
NAPLES. ACCEPTED BY SARAH BAECKLER DA
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND JON FOERSTER,
COMMUNITY AFFAIRS. ALSO PRESENT IS ...,..........__
SA WYER REPRESENTING THE GREATE,,. _____ ~-.~,~
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE -PRESENTE
MR. OCHS: Move to Item 5A4 presentation of the
Collier County Business of the M t April 2019 to the Humane
Society Naples. To be accepted b ,_.-.. .--ah Baeckler Davis, executive
director; Jon Foerster, directo mmunity affairs; also Bethany
Sawyer representing the aples Chamber of Commerce.
MS. DA VIS: ThallK u so much. I'm Sarah Baeckler Davis. I
am director of Humane oc1ety Naples.
We are inc "bly thrilled to work with the Chamber and to be
honored by a y . We have saved over 100,000 lives and finding
homes for ani over the past almost 60 years of our organization's
b-ii2"11aM, Collier County.
~._,.<t'loyee about 65 people currently, and we have 10 or so
............ ,, .... _,.... · bs opening up soon. So if anybody knows a young person
eds a summer job, let us know. We're really happy to be able
ork in the community and keep animals in their homes when
possible, so we provide low-cost spay/neuter, we provide medical
care when people need it, and we provide lots of furry friends for all
of our human friends in the area.
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We're going to launch a new veterinary clinic that will be able to
go out into the community and provide more services in other places
sometime later this year. We also have a beautiful 12-acre campus
along the Oakes neighborhood, and we will be opening a new
adoption center in Green Tree, so we're building and growing ve~
quickly as well. ~
Any questions? Anyone need a dog? We have Loki h
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: You've got a truck up and
show him (sic) off again.
MS. DAVIS: Loki is about eight years old.
husky mix, and she's a sweetheart. She's bee~---.....:...
this is Jon, our director of community affairs.
Good girl, Loki. (", .-
Thank you very much. • ~ ~
~-~ Siberian
rtown. And
(Applause.) ~~r
COMMISSIONER TA YLO onder if Sherry's watching.
MR. OCHS: CommissiQn~e move to our public petitions
this morning. ~ ~ r
Item#6A ✓
PUBLIC PE O EQUEST FROM MR. MICHAEL TIRPAK
REQUES IN HAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMIS RS CHANGE, WITH NO FEE, THE ZONING
FRO ~...-~DENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL ON LOT #11 OF HIS
pw,.--""'111.-ri-r" ~Y LOCATED AT 3047 TERRACE AVENUE, NAPLES
04 -MOTION TO BRING BACK AS A REGULAR
AG NDA ITEM -APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Item 6A is a public petition request from
Mr. Michael Tirpak requesting that the Board change, with no fee,
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the zoning from residential to commercial on Lot No. 11 of his
property located at 3047 Terrace Avenue in Naples.
Mr. Tirpak, if you're present, sir, please step forward. And you
have up to 10 minutes to make your petition.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: There's a little bit --Mr. Tirpa~
there's a clock right there on your left that, once you start, it ~
show you how much time you have, sir.
MR. TIRPAK: All right. This is poking me in theJQhere.
Can you hear me, everybody? g~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes.
MR. TIRPAK: Okay. Thank you for let . ta k about my
problem here.
I own a parcel of undeveloped quasi mmercial land that was
once 3023 Terrace A venue, Lots 1 I .a ck Creek, which has
recently been incorporated into 3~~e ace Avenue at the
suggestion of zoning. .._. '->'
I purchased it in Februa 06. The Collier County
Appraiser had it listed o ebsite as Use Code 10 vacant
commercial. I also own a :veloped piece next door at 304 7 Terrace
A venue, Lots 13 and 1 ~Rock Creek, which I purchased in 2000.
I first beca aware of 3023 Terrace A venue when I got a call
from James an , a car dealer who had purchased it from Michael
Valentine ·n J of 2004. Jim asked me to fence it for him as, at the
time, I was e fence business next door. I asked what he was
goin o o ith the property, and he said just store some overstock
_ .... _ .... .__..,...,ory on it.
ot a commercial, note "commercial" fence permit and fenced
roperty. Jim removed a few trees and stored cars there off and
on for a period of time. It wasn't long, a year and a half or so, and
Morandi got into trouble with his business, and his property went
back to Valentine, as it was under a land contract.
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I was then approached by Valentine inquiring if I would be
interesting in buying it. I said, yes, as I had use for it myself as
storage for fence materials and some overflow taxicabs that one of
my tenants next door had during the summer slow season.
So I purchased the property in February of 2006, assuming ~
was commercial, as was --as it was shown on the appraiser's ~re .
Here is where I, in crystal-clear hindsight, wasn't as p ~~t as I
might have been. I assumed and believed a couple thin ne was
that Jim Morandi was telling me the truth when he sa· the got
permission and approvals to store cars on the site; ....... ,,,.,,. was led to
believe by the Collier County Appraiser's we · e e land was
commercial, as it was listed that way on their eb ite, and both
Morandi and Valentine told me that it wa r',.-.
When I brought the appraiser's.w ~scriptive listing up to
the zoning people on Horseshoe · ey actually said, "You
should have known that the zonin s not correct." How would I
know that? Why would I or a o er person not assume that the
county was coordinated · ........ _, atistical information on their
websites?
Now, comes the s m. The original owner of 3023, Lots 11 and
12, was Duane n (phonetic). He bought the property in the '50s
and owned it il 2 when he sold it to Mr. Valentine. Note, of
course, th t th1 · eludes 1973.
I also documentation that a fell ow named V emon Dunklee
(pho t titioned the county to change the zoning from residential
rcial on Lots 12 through 20 and successfully got them
...._,._d in January of '73. The thing is, V emon Dunklee never
owned Lot 12. Duane Lyon did. The brother of Duane, Dale, still
lives next door on Lots 9 and 10. He is 88 years old and has lived
there since 194 7. He says that his brother had no idea that Dunklee
had changed the zoning on Lot 12, and no permission was ever given
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him to do so.
The two brothers surmise that Dunklee pulled the wool over the
county's eyes so he could build three buildings on a no-setback,
zero-lot-line basis on Lots 13 and 14, which he then owned and
which he built on in 1983. ~
I had a meeting with several of the county staff member
my attorney about three months ago. They agreed that bac · the
'60s or '70s the county should have changed the zoning o mercial
from Airport Road to Shadow lawn on the whole nort of Terrace
A venue since the south side was all CS up to Shad n. They
suggested two --that maybe I could get the re ~ owners down
to Shadowlawn to the west to go in with me on~ ?~oup zoning
change. There are nine property owners t would need to agree,
which of the first few I contacted ha.d · st whatsoever.
Another footnote here is that ress which is comprised of
two 40-foot lots is now split in hal --· s now split in half by the
Bayshore Redevelopment Tri ~and one-half is in the Triangle;
the other half isn't. ~~ ~ -
So here is my quand · I have looked into getting zoning
changed and complyin~it today's regulations. Keep in mind that
this is one-half parcel 40 feet wide. In a nutshell, it's going to
cost me upw o 100,000 or more to change a 40-foot strip of
land from o CS and engineer it to store vehicles.
is out of the question and quite unfair as not only
~..,.., .... ~ty duped but so, too, was I when half the property was
~r.i.i.,. ithout anyone even asking Mr. Dunklee ifhe owned all the
pr e ies in question.
My hope is that since the original zoning changed to only
one-half the property and was ill-gotten under false pretenses without
permission of the owner, that you could help me get the other
changed to CS retroactive to maybe 1973 without all of these
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atrocious fees, associated costs of engineering, consultants, studies,
walls, et cetera.
Why would the county, even back in 1973, let someone change
one-half of a small addressed residential parcel from residential to
commercial that, by the way, had an occupied house on it at the t e
that was partially encroaching on Lot 12? It was just not righ.
injustice was done, and no one seems to want to rectify it at
~~-0
Had Mr. Dunklee been turned down or got cauj.,._,,_, ....... ~ ...... 1s
trickery, I would not be in this situation. The pro _..,..... ould still be
zoned residential and would have shown as s -----
website, and I would have never purchased it.
The malfeasance on the county's pa sentially makes my piece
of land utterly worthless. It can't be.b · o ecause of the dual
zoning and, as I have been told by-... , ..... ,.... vil engineers, that getting
Lot 12 changed to C5 will most li e impossible at this date
because of the high probabilit dections from one or more
neighbors, even though i _L _l'Wll,Cll-..uolll'en used that way for going on 14
years and has never had a plaint thus far.
The complaint tha~riggered the violation was that the new
Porsche dealer arking in the right-of-way, and because of that,
f i own. But to this day, Combs Oil at the comer
ace uses the right-of-way on Terrace Avenue for
g as they have for more than 40 years, and no one
~...,.. cease the practice, as they have made others on the street
ill you please help me remedy this by changing Lot 11 d2
retr actively or, at bare minimum, let me ingress and egress across
my 40-foot residential piece to get to the C5 piece as we have been
doing for 13 years without having to go through an act of God to do
so? It's not --it's not like there is daily activity at the site. There are
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sometimes several days between anyone even opening a gate.
My question is: Will this board, as county leaders, have the
courage to help me by correcting this deception of both the county
and myself? Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I'll let you go. ~
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: We met several months ~
MR. TIRPAK: Yes. ~ w
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'm delighted to se~~here.
MR. TIRPAK: Yes. ~ ~
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Can you be v et's just talk
about --you don't have any visuals, do you? ----,,.--~ I think if --
MR. TIRPAK: I have a survey.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Can I a ~ _g_uestion?
MR. TIRPAK: I have a surveY.. Ct(}
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: -. ........ -. going to, if I may.
COMMISSIONER TAYLO · ay.
CHAIRMAN McDANI day we're only going to give
direction to our staff to a · ._,_.__._ot assist as, in fact, can be. We're
not going to hear this and e a long discussion.
COMMISSIONE TAYLOR: No. I wanted to make sure that
everybody unde od --
CHAI N cDANIEL: We all do. Well, I certainly do. I
read the b cku · formation and the plethora of --
COM IONERTAYLOR: Okey.
AN McDANIEL: --I don't want to call them
11'Y'l ~"'81ii~....,::>-ties, and I'm certain it wasn't done with malice, and I'm
i it wasn't done --it was an error at the end of the day.
So I would like to give --if you would like to make a motion to
give staff direction to work with this gentleman, keep your costs as
low as is, in fact, possible. I can't say we're going to be able to do it
for free.
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MR. TIRPAK: Well, I really --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And this isn't the discussion point
right now.
MR. TIRPAK: I understand.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right now --I know what your
asking for, but because of the circumstances that are prevalen ...... ..,,",_, I
would like to give direction to our staff to off er you as muc
assistance as is possible with as much relief as is possib~~et you
to where you need to be. ~
I'm concerned about the zoning processes to at's not an
equivalency, but we're going to hear all that actually have
the vote on changing your zoning.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So y ~~ant to ask staff to --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: H ;lp -~
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: ,..-v,,.., . I mean, this is a public
petition, so I think we usually ask a to put it on an agenda item
and come back. ~
CHAIRMAN McD w--.... ..-Correct.
COMMISSIONER IS: Because I'd like to hear from staff
as to --✓
CHAIRM McDANIEL: Correct. That's exactly the premise
I would like t a to cur.
MR. I : I've had several meetings with staff, and --
CHA N McDANIEL: Well, now that we're suggesting
~~s l"' ... · st you, I think you're going to find a difference in how
~-~~------a: going. So with that motion, Commissioner Solis, that we
· as an agenda item and bring it back, will there be a second?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes, I would like to have a full
hearing on this.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. It's been moved and
seconded that we have this as a future agenda item.
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MR. OCHS: Yes, sir. So my understanding is we won't do
anything until we bring the staff report back on the agenda --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That's correct.
MR. OCHS: --and provide some analysis and options for the
Board, and then you'll direct us accordingly. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Absolutely, absolutely. '°Z>
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And I'll make that as the ~.t:"'on.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And that's a far better t n than
what I was making up as I was going, and it's been se~~.~ .. vd. Any
other discussion? ~ ..
(No response.) ~~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?► ,
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye. (', .-
COMMISSIONER FIALA: A'J'e~ ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: ~ ~r
COMMISSIONER TAYLO ye.
S: Aye. COMMISSIONER SA
CHAIRMAN McD Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN Mc~ So moved.
MR. TIRP Thank you very much.
CHAI N cDANIEL: Thank you, sir.
MR. I
C COMMENTS ON GENERAL TOPICS NOT ON THE
NT OR FUTURE AGENDA
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, we move to Item 7, public
comments on general topics not on the current or future agenda.
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MR. MILLER: Mr. Chairman, I have one registered speaker:
David Hunt.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Rae Ann? Rae Ann's not on the list
today.
MR. MILLER: On a different item, sir.
Are you David Hunt?
MS. BURTON: I have a definite issue.
MR. MILLER: Are you Mr. Hunt? Either podiu
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And how long does
MR. MILLER: Three minutes.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Three minu s
ahead.
MR. HUNT: I'm here --I'm surprised it's o on the agenda --
Golden Gate Golf Course closing. When · the sale? Is there a date
set on the sale yet? I'm going to as k_ q 1 , and then you give
me --when is the sale closing? A 1 loses, is the course going to
close that day?
CHAIRMAN McDANI ~ I interrupt you a second? This
agenda item is for items '-"IIOl,,llll''-'day's agenda or on future agendas,
and this isn't --it isn't adv · sed as a future agenda, but we are going
to hear this. We have 11,td i in the past. And I can save a lot of time,
if you're interest in that. Send me or your commissioner an email
with these qu · on and we'll answer them all. This item is going to
be heard i the ar future. I've had meetings with staff with regard
T: I've just got to say one thing. There's an
that should be made out for the intent to change golf
to develop it. There is an application. It should be done prior
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That's correct.
MR. HUNT: And it's supposed to notify landowners.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes. And, sir, we're going to hear
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this item, so, technically --I mean, technically, your portion of public
speaking shouldn't even have been --shouldn't even have been
allowed. So this is an item that we are, in fact, going to hear. And
with your questions, send Commissioner Saunders an email --well,
I'm volunteering him. Send him an email with regard to your ~
question about the contract, the term, the conditions, so on an ~
forth, and then --and we'll get your questions answered, an ~}Pn
stay tuned, because I know that this agenda item is com· rward.
MR. HUNT: I hope they get answered, because alked to
Donna Fiala --thank you, Donna. ~
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Thank you.~
MR. HUNT: And talked to Burt Saunder~and haven't been
able to get the answers.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I o _,,.-,,_.. ifwe even heard what
his question was. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: e --and at this particular stage,
we're not --we typically don't TI'O_ ......... ·-r: .... -,__,nd, but he actually shouldn't even
be speaking today with r A.-illll .. r• this because this is an item that we
are going to hear in the fu And we may not even have answers
to your questions. If y 're wanting to know when we're actually
going to close o iece of property, we have to vote on the
purchase.
r Saunders? Com iss
COM IONER SAUNDERS: Mr. Chairman, just for the
or the Board --because we did talk with staff, and staff
the need to get an extension of time on the acquisition.
tension of time was granted by the seller, and I believe
asalanguida can kind of give us an update on the closing date,
but we're looking at, I believe, a June closing.
MR. OCHS: Commissioner, we're scheduled to bring this in
front of you on June 25th.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And that will be the final
contract --
MR. OCHS: Purchase and sales agreement, yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And we'll go forward with
the closing. ~
And so, you know, there's a lot of discussion about how
property's going to be used, and I know The First Tee orgao!.!_ .... L...,'""'
has an interest in running a golf course there, and they'v
interesting proposition that they've submitted to the c
those issues are going to be debated and discusse ~ ..
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct. ~ ~
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And 1.~1,~ say, just for the
record, because I take some exception to fact that this gentleman
stated that he's asked questions that Ji a n answered. I answer
questions when I'm asked, so I jus that to be clear.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: e , sometimes there aren't
answers. You know, his frost o may be --I heard him say when
we're going to close and development orders were and so on
and so forth, and those ar estions that can't be answered yet,
because we haven't ac ~lly voted on buying the property other than
we've given nof that we're interested. And, formally, those
physical ans not be able to be answered. So thank you very
much, sir.
MR. TW"l"llllilo.J::i;f"i: Fine.
-~:---.r~LLER: That was your only speaker on public comment,
s~~
Y,~AIRMAN McDANIEL: Outstanding.
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, you have five minutes before your
time-certain item. I wonder if we might take Item 11 C. I think we
could probably get that in fairly quickly.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, let's just see whether we can
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or not.
MR. OCHS: Will that work for you, sir?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Sure.
Item #1 lC
April 23 , 2019
ACCEPT STAFF'S REPORT ON SOUND TRANSMISSI
CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING THE REGULATI
SOUND TRANSMISSION FOR NEW ATTACHE~L_.l_._,
FAMILY DWELLINGS (TOWNHOUSES) -AP B.,,._ ____ ,_
COMMISSIONER FIALA DID NOT VOT
MR. OCHS: All right. I IC. This i
accept staff's report on sound trans lll is · considerations
regarding the regulation of sound · sion for new attached
single-family dwellings and town es. Mr. James French --
CHAIRMAN McDANI~
Troy? ~
we have any public speakers,
MR. MILLER: Not his item, sir.
CHAIRMAN Mc 9A-IEL: Okay. I'll make a motion to
approve staff's r rt.
COMM O R TAYLOR: Second.
CO I NER SOLIS: I'll second.
CHA N McDANIEL: Any other discussion?
~._ei,o"" onse.)
IRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
MMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: (No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Well researched.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I didn't even vote on that --~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I'm sorry. I was just movi~ Q).i
along.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I know. 0
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Did you have com~..,......, on that
with regard to that?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: So does thi ea ow we're not
going to pay attention to this anymore, right? u t wanted to know.
We're going so fast , I'm trying to figure o1£f,~hat we're doing here.
Sorry about that. • ~ ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: , fi~n o. He jumped to an
agenda item because we have a ti -ertain at 10 for the 4 7 acres.
COMMISSIONER FIA nderstand that.
CHAIRMAN McD ..... Id' And I --
COMMISSIONER A: So that means now we're not going
to consider this an mor ; we're done with that, right?
CHAIRM McDANIEL: Correct. Well, we're accepting the
Co e as the standard to be set with regard to sound
dampenin .
MR. :.~=:-.:: : Sir, you have four minutes, and I don't have
·~~e~ that's going to take less than four minutes, so you can
h your --you can move ahead or --
AIRMAN McDANIEL: Let's go ahead and start on that
tim -certain at 10, and if anybody comes in that feels slighted, we'll
give them an extra four minutes.
MR. OCHS: Yes, sir.
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Item #1 lA
ACCEPT THE OFFER FROM METRO COMMERCIAL
DEVELOPMENT GROUP LLC IN THE AMOUNT OF $3,500 000
FOR THE COUNTY-OWNED PARCEL LOCATED BETWE
IMMOKALEE ROAD AND 4TH A VENUE NORTHEAST.,~~
(RANDALL CURVE PARCEL) AND AUTHORIZE THE ~
COUNTY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE A DEVELOf'r"'__.___,..~
CONTRIBUTION AGREEMENT WITH IMMOKA ROAD
RURAL VILLAGE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT -.... ~ JOINT
COUNTY AND SCHOOL DISTRICT PROJ~ TION TO
CONTINUE UNTIL AFTER THE DISTRIC 5 WNHALL
MEETING AND BRING BACK AT TH A 28, 2019 BCC
MEETING -APPROVED
MR. OCHS: That moves us ~to your time-certain hearing.
This is Item I IA on the Boar ' nda. It's a recommendation to
accept the off er from Me ........ ,.. ... mercial Development Group , LLC ,
in the amount of $3,500,0 or the county-owned parcel located
between Immokalee Ro d and Fourth Avenue Northeast, commonly
ref erred to as th andall Curve parcel, and authorize the County
Manager To oti a developer contribution agreement with
Immokale Ro Rural Village for a development of a joint county
1ct project.
i Mott, your Real Property Manager, will make the
'""-"'·"-n.
S. MOTT: Good morning, Commissioners. For the record,
Ton Mott, Real Property Management.
The item before you is to accept the off er from Metro
Commercial Development Group , LLC, in the amount of 3 .5 million
for the Randall Curve parcel and authorize the county Manager To
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negotiate a Developer Contribution Agreement with Immokalee Road
Rural Village for the development of a joint county and school
district project, as read by Leo.
At the December 11th, 2018, board meeting, Agenda Item 1 lA,
the Board directed staff to proceed to work with the school distn
a joint bus garage and road maintenance facility on the Randa l
property while simultaneously allowing interested buyers t
proposals to acquire the property. 0
At the February 12th, 2019, board meeting, Age em 1 lB,
the property directed that the property be advertise e property
was advertised for sale in the Naples Daily N ~ arch 7th and
March 14th. A for-sale sign was placed on the f roperty, and a press
release was issued.
The county has received four p;o r the property: Shy
Wolf Sanctuary in the amount of · · n; Kreilich, Jensen, and
Philips, in the amount of 1,050,00 · etro Commercial in the
amount of $3 .5 million; and C Management Services, LLC, to
swap 30 plus-or-minus a ated on the comer of First Street
Northwest and Golden Ga: oulevard plus $750,000.
Bear with me. ✓
CHAIRM McDANIEL: Who's pushing the buttons?
MR. MI R . on11s.
CHA McDANIEL: Toni? We have to get her some IT
~11111·.tiii, ~ur real estate lady, not a computer operator.
MOTT: Thank you. If I was six I could do this, but. ..
AIRMAN McDANIEL: You're doing fine. I'm just having
hile you're hitting the wrong button.
MS. MOTT: The location map shows the relationship between
the Randall Curve parcel, the Crown Management parcels, and the
Immokalee Road Rural Village.
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On April 9th, Manager Ochs received an offer for a potential
partnership with the developer of the Immokalee Road Rural Village
to provide acreage for a Collier County district school bus barn and a
Collier County road maintenance facility. A copy of the proposal
was included in the agenda packet. ~
So this location map shows us the Immokalee Road Run~'(>
Village, the Randall Curve, and the Crown parcels. ~
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Toni, could you pull t 0
microphone just a little closer. ~,
MS. MOTT: I'm sorry. I'm usually not this ,~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Same goes
MS. MOTT: There is our 47-acre Randal C rve parcel. This
next slide is a blowup of the Immokalee d ural Village parcel.
It's over 2,000 acres. And in the co i;n e ·---.---~ rojected 30 acres for a
future joint facility. X.. ~
This next slide shows the Cr~arcels. The Crown Parcel 1 is
the 30-plus acres that is offere or the swap, and the Crown
Parcel 2 is the parcel tha · t ed for a grocery store.
And we come to rec endations: Declare the 47-plus-acre
parcel surplus; accept t~ o fer from Metro Commercial
Development G , LLC, in the amount of $3.5 million, and
dedicate thos n o the county's portion of a future road and
bridge fac · ity; thorize the County Manager or his designee to
prepare a r tate sales agreement; and authorize the Chairman to
~-..e ,,.,..greement on behalf of the Board; authorize the
h.-i!P91llla,.n .,.lla:3, to execute the statutory deed once prepared and approved
County Attorney's Office; authorize the net proceeds received
fro the sale be deposited into the appropriate account; authorize the
County Manager or his designee to follow appropriate closing
procedures, and to record the deed, once approved by the County
Attorney's Office, in the public records of Collier County; and direct
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the County Manager to work with the developer of the Immokalee
Road Rural Village to create a developer contribution agreement for a
potential partnership with the developer and work with the school
district to locate joint facilities at this site.
Questions? ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Saunders? '(>
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Just a quick questio.,,,_,_,out
our road and bridge operations. How do we handle thos o , and
why do we need a new facility? I was just curious ab e need for
that type of --
MR. OCHS: Commissioner, we have t~ enance
operation centers. One on Davis Boulevard.
1
I~as a former FDOT
site that we now lease from them. Then ave one in Immokalee.
The one on Davis is basically t e ub for the entire
rural --excuse me --urban area. ._,_.,,,_.... ing now, with the growth
corridor and most of that new gro t oving into that area that is in
proximity to the Randall Curv o to get some facilities there that
will serve that growing · n, particularly during disasters.
COMMISSIONER DERS: And the Immokalee facility,
is that tapped out in te qJt s of space or is there --
MR. CAS ~ .......... NGUIDA: It's essentially two barns, sir. I think
what we're st __ ,........,li with is the travel time for the staff either --
from both aci · s. I think we're losing about, on average, an hour a
day of , ....... W"'-n getting out to the typical areas we work because
fro ...... ...,...~~ is facility, the main staging area where we keep most of
ent, and the stockade facility is almost a substation, in
It's just a couple buildings.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. I would like to hear public
speakers. How many do we have, Mr. Troy?
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chairman, we've 30 public speakers for this
item. Your first speaker is Beth Swiderski. She has been ceded
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additional time from Patricia Eckel. Can you raise your hand,
Patricia, if you're here.
(Raises hand.)
MR. MILLER: Oh, there she is back there. Thank you.
And Theresa Schultz. ~
(Raises hand.) -v
MR. MILLER: She'll have a total of nine minutes. S .,._L"be
followed by Deanna Deppen. ,t 0
MS. SWIDERSKI: Good morning, everyone. ;S~~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Good morning.
MS. SWIDERSKI: Can everybody hear a .
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes.
MS. SWIDERSKI: I hate --I feel li 'm not talking to
everybody around here, but we'll fo ~u s y.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: ctually talking to us.
MS. SWIDERSKI: Thank r your time and consideration
today. I am Beth Swiderski. ' president of Shy Wolf
Sanctuary Education an'-L#__.__,,,.---...,.'::>.-..,.-de>..,"'nce Center.
I would like to intro all our supporters and have them stand,
please, on who's here t ~epresent Shy Wolf.
CHAIRM McDANIEL: Hey, how you doing?
MS. SW .... .&...,,,......,R I: Besides all these that are standing --and
..,.,._.,.,... Thank you so much --we have over 150 letters,
ou guys have been overindated (sic) with them, and
~lflllr' over 60,000 hours of volunteers, hours that they do out
ctuary. So we are huge for the community in volunteer
ho s They might volunteer one day; they might volunteer a week.
We start off in 1993 with Nancy and Kent. They're trying to fill
a void of animals that are rescued in captivity, and they are exotic,
unreleasable wild animals not addressed by our domestic services
which we need, our zoos that we need, and our wildlife rehabilitation.
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In January of 2001 we became a non-profit organization. We
are educating people in addition to helping animals. We are county,
state, federally licensed, inspected by Collier County Domestic
Animal Services. We are also inspected by the Florida Fish and
Wildlife Conservation Commissioner, and we are also United Sta
Department of Agriculture. So, as you can see, we abide by t4~
with all this. ~
Our mission is reconnecting people and animals th ... ,_L= our
education. With this, I have a new recommendation,-·--would like
to go on record that we are making a different off e . sharpened
our pencils. We've got all our money togethe~ e ooked at all
our financials, and we want to offer 1.5 millio~~r half the acreage.
We would like to take the other half and le',i!.,.go back to the
community for a park and a green a~eaA ~
With this, again, I think the ~, as you can see and as
you've known out there with all th .___,...,1---licity everything that's been
going on, we are a huge contr· 1 and community to us here, and
you need to keep us here · · er County.
With that, again, I w t to go on record that we're
recommending 1. 5 mill' n or half the acreage and the other acreage
go to a commun · ark and a green area that I know that our
community's e n a ing for.
Loca ed H in Collier County, we've been a great asset. We
e. The Randall property would be huge to us. It's a
ility, centrally located, and we offer tremendous
residential for the surrounding area on all our volunteers
an e erybody that comes here. We want to keep it wooded; we
wan to keep it natural; we want to keep all the endangered species
that might even be out there . We don't know. Somebody said they
saw a bald eagle out there. We have fox squirrels, we have tortoises.
And with this, we would be a low impact to the community on all
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the --rather than a shopping center to go in there or anything like that
on all the traffic coming in and out, shy Wolf Sanctuary would not
have all that.
With the statistics behind it, I'm sure everybody has heard all
about Yuki and the pictures that have been out there and the vira"-..
that's all gone on with this. Yuki has been seen across the wo l ~lh
this picture. We have added on 50,000 people to our Faceb We
are so huge for the community in bringing more people
We've hired a public relations just to handle all
the press, and our website keeps shutting down. to put more
website things behind it. So with that comin · al o --we're on
Inside Edition. How do you like that? Naples n nside Edition. I
mean, come on, it's just great for us.
We are on two-and-a-half acre ~. the commissioners'
help. We need the community's h u can see they're here to
support us. You can see all the let r . We want to stay here.
With this commitment, ~ .. q ,... .......... that we are a great resource and
a partner to the commun· ave a planned facility. We have an
execution plan. And witH t, I want to tell you how much more and
the value that we are to)he community. I would like to introduce and
honored to intro e Deanna Dep (sic), who is our executive director.
MR. MI R . kay. Ms. Deppen is your next speaker. She
· e from 10 additional speakers.
rt"""l"'llllllw:).f-,N: I promise I won't take that much time.
-~:---.r~LLER: Would you like me to read these 10 names or ...
IRMAN McDANIEL: Well, technically we should.
R. MILLER: Yes. I need to read these names, I guess.
JoAnn Bums. Please raise your hand when I call your name.
Thank you.
(Raises hand.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Excuse me one second.
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Leo, we are going to give these people the due time that they
need? I know we want to go through this process, but I don't --
MR. OCHS: No, no, no. I just wanted him to make sure the 10
people that were ceding time are in the room, Commissioner.
CHAIRMAN McD_ANIEL: I just thought we were in a ms~
MR. OCHS: No, sir. "Z>
MR. MILLER: Peter Evest? I hope I'm saying that ri ·
Evets?
(Raises hand.) ,("\ <;
MR. MILLER: Thank you. _("\ ~
Don Fischer? ~ ~
(Raises hand.) ► ,
MR. MILLER: Thank you.
Nancy J. Smith?
MR. MILLER: Thank you.
Caitie Greiser? ~ ~
(Raises hand.) "-I
MR. MILLER: Tha ou. Wendy Jervis?
(Raises hand. ✓
MR. MILL Lorrie Vannie?
d.)
R: And Steve Vannie?
d.)
-~:---.r~LLER: And Dennis Dowling?
,_-...,.-.;-r --· es hand.)
R. MILLER: Ma'am, you'll have a total of 33 minutes if you
them.
MS. DEPPEN: Thank you. I don't anticipate needing that much
time, but as you can see, Shy Wolf has a lot of supporters.
Good morning. My name's Deanna Deppen. I'm the executive
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director. I first met our founder, Nancy Smith, in November of 2000
when I was invited out to meet the wolves by Michael Kloman; he
was a friend of hers.
I remember hearing them howl for the first time and gettin a
back rub from a wolf named Taiwan. Nancy was working full tI
to feed the animals that she had rescued and taken to her ho~S\ !J r
backyard. I gave her a small donation. Told her she really ~ed to
think about becoming a non-profit. I maybe told her shJ-"4 a a little
crazy to work full time to try to feed those animals. ~ ~
But I felt she needed to be a non-profit so she get fencing,
food, and cash donations. Then I left. !ti
Fast forward a few months, and with my x visit I was told,
':e're a non-profit. Now what? So she's ~~ s uck with me ever
since. • ~~
Eighteen years later, here we ~ing an offer --making an
offer --okay. I'm sorry.
Eighteen years after com· Collier County as the first
certified athletic trainer i .,._~-schools , I stand before you as the
first full-time employee£ hy Wolf Sanctuary. It wasn't until late
in 2017 that we hired s~eone. This has been a volunteer-run
organization sun ed 100 percent by donations until that time, and
we're still 10 rce by donation and grant.
Shy Wol nctuary changes lives. It changed my life and many
others, as e ,~ ... ced by those who've joined me today in asking you
to ac ~~;;,;~~~ revised off er.
· · g up to our name: When told the name chosen was Shy
anctuary Education and Experience Center, my first thought
was, wow, that's a mouthful. My second thought was, shouldn't it be
shortened to Shy Wolf Sanctuary? Because no one's ever going to
say the whole name, right? But Nancy was adamant that it should be
Shy Wolf Sanctuary Education and Experience Center and that it
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should encompass everything that she saw us doing by educating
people and reconnecting people with animals.
A wish and a prayer: One of Nancy's core beliefs was that ifwe
were acting from the heart for the animals and reaching out to people
about the animals, then everything would be fine, and it has bee~
I was there the day in 2001 when Sandy Carter handed Ntt~ a
check for $200, and Nancy broke down in tears, because it ~t we
could feed the animals that week. 0
We stand before you today making an offer to P.~i._._..,..,se land for
an amount we never would have dreamt possible.
Shy Wolf has survived as a grass-roots o ~--~
by word of mouth and donors who are still CO~~-·c~~
later.
We are often described as the t.es cret in Naples or the
gem of Naples. We've grown int .......... t-.. ...., ...... e and out of our current
location. Shy Wolf changes lives. anges families. Just this
morning I received an email fi former UK volunteer whose
entire family has volunte
most recently from Austr
~,_._..er the years, even her grandchildren,
Other examples in u e students who have pursued careers in
biology, veterin medicine, and other related fields after coming to
the sanctuary:· c · trists who have ref erred patients to the
sanctuary o h with depression; cooperative work programs with
the Collier ty Sheriffs Office through the D.r.i.1.1. academy
t i ed, and the weekenders program; community service
o~:ldlflillllltl · ies for high school, college, probation, or court-ordered
ho s · a rescue need within the community for captive bred and
unr easable wild animals not filled by Domestic Animal Services,
the zoo, or wildlife rehabilitators;
Research partnerships with the universities dating back to as
early as 2004 in which Shy Wolf was the only wolf organization in
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the country willing to help a Princeton student figure out how to do --
how to adapt a cognitive behavioral test to wolves in order to
compare them to dogs. You see, it involved food, and wolves are
notoriously bad around food when people are near by. The "wolf it
down" phrase applies. She won highest award that year for her t
because we were able to help her adapt the test to include our
and wolf dogs.
We've granted last wishes numerous times to peop
wanted to hug a wolf. Being on the ground floor in Ll"!"'~rD
comparing captive-bred New Guinea singing dogs
rarest wild dog in the world right now to the · ulation that has
just recently been tracked and collared for the rs time ever this past
year. They're testing our animals' blood comparing it to the wild
dogs.
Healing Hearts program; part ith the children's network
of Southwest Florida for foster chi r~ ........ m; Pace Center for Girls; Youth
Haven, women and children s.LJ.""'."'"z, and Valerie's House to heal
mind, body, and spirit of ple involved when they see the
animals that we've rescue at have been abused, abandoned, and
neglected and how the )71 e ealed, individuals heal.
What we c do at our current location: We can't rescue more
animals in ne . e maxed out; we can't be open to the public and
bring clas es o oups out to learn about the animals; we can't build
bigger and r habitats for the animals currently residing there; we
~lllllilicv our animals or others during a hurricane or fire.
a: y Smith, her husband Kent, one other volunteer and I were
king the fence line during Hurricane Irma. The entire storm
we alked the fence lines. All of these volunteers plus others in
groups in the community like Gulf Coast Humane Society came
down and helped us evacuate in the April 2017 wildfires.
We can't keep the animals safe where we are. We can't offer
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internships or extended work programs to learn about the animals.
We get requests from around the world, people that want to travel
here to study the wolves.
We can't expand the Healing Hearts program to veterans due to
the backyard gun range that our neighbor built behind our blind ~
wolfs enclosure. We're concerned about the gunshots setting
PTSD for the veterans, so the Warrior and Wolves program TV,
we would like to do something similar, but we can't. ,t 0
Partner with Fish and Wildlife to treat wild pant ,~nd bears
and injured or orphaned; partner with the United S,ftilll.t~rish and
Wildlife to take in retired breeding animals fr t e Mexican
wolf recovery programs; to free up space for o e animals that could
produce; let the retired animals come to u d educate people in this
community; and partner with 4H to 1e..,., ... ..._"'_ .. t,!;W' gardening. Fresh
vegetables for our animals, chick ~ or our animals, be
keeping --even working with othe r cued animals that we currently
can't take in, like potbelly pig rses --we were just called about
two roosters this week. ..._........., no place to take animals like that.
Future planned facih ould be utilizing everything we've
learned in the last three ecades about safety, animal husbandry, and
enrichment to b r the lives of the residents and the experience of
the guests. --<'>-
We n e~ ~inimum of 20 acres per county statute to build a
prototy e -class facility. We plan Cat 5 rated buildings to
prot L)!IIII...,.. sidents and serve as a resource for the community
d · · asters, especially emergency service workers who cannot
e ___ .,,.,te: Fire, EMS, deputies, those who work the EOC. They can't
eva uate. Maybe both of them work for the services. Hospitals.
Again, no place to send their animals.
Domestic Animal Services, their building's a Cat 3 rated
building. We could be a resource for them if a bigger storm like Irma
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was heading our way. Same thing for the zoo. The zoo has been
there since what, 1970s. If we had the Cat 5 buildings that could
accommodate exotic animals, we could relocate some of those
animals to our facility.
Educational building that can be utilized by others in the ~
community for programs. A veterinary clinic to treat exotic ~\~
animals and be a resource for injured panthers and bears or •r
large animals belonging to community members in the _.____,,...,.,t s that
can't take to a normal veterinarian's office. Can't exa ut your
cougar in the vet's kennel that the dog stays in, thr six kennel.
So we want to be a resource for partners like
A design plan that will make it pre-emine 9 cognitive
behavioral research destination. We have we iff erent types of
canines at our facility right now to sJu 1 ent types of canines
and their behavior. We would be UlWLl-,-.t ation not only for
researchers for but for individuals want to learn about those
animals. ~
A travel destination ple around the world resulting in
increased tourism dollars local businesses and the county. They
would come, they wou~ stay here, they would eat here, and they
would be entert · d here.
feel that the 4 7 acres at Randall Curve would be
build Shy Wolf Sanctuary, the next version .
.,_. . ..,,.,,·de that we are not the best use for that parcel for
e e son, we respectfully ask that the county consider us for a
·p similar to what was done with the zoo. The county owns
land.
We ask that you review plans for the parcels owned. Should
you, again, decide that we are not the best fit for the 4 7 acres,
although we hope you decide in our favor, we ask that you review
plans, parcels, and determine if one of them might align with Shy
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Wolfs needs.
Clearly, we are an asset to the community and have support
from around the world. With proper planning, we can assist other
partners like the zoo, Domestic Animal Services, and emergenc:x
service workers in disaster situations on top of the daily services
offer within the community through our educational and out~~,
programs. ~
Again, our revised offer was 1.5 million for half o{rtl\j roperty.
If not here, then where? ~
Collier has been our home. We'd like to stay:· lier, but we
have been looking at other options as well in t s Florida.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank ~ , eanna.
MR. MILLER: Your next spe 'lk y Killburn. She'll be
followed by Rae Ann Burton. X,. ~
(No response.) .\i>'
MR. MILLER: Rae An _,,,..,..-.,.. ... ant to come on up? Rae Ann
has been ceded three ad · ·,. ....... .,.... ...... inutes from Cathy Bartholow .
(Raises hand.)
MR. MILLER: S~ will be followed by Robert Anderson.
CHAIRM McDANIEL: And, Robert, if you'll come to the
.............. ~ ...... db eady to go.
SON: I have a presentation.
N McDANIEL: Okay.
IL)tllll~RTON: Thank you. My name is Rae Ann Burton, 2530
ue Northeast, Golden Gate Estates.
ope everyone had a great Easter and were able to spend it with
ds and loved ones.
With that said, I want to address Item 1 lA on today's agenda,
County Manager's recommendation to accept Metro Commercial
Development, off er an acreage known as Randall Curve, is offered
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solely to benefit city developer Hole Montes, Incorporated, and the
development of Immokalee Road Rural Village with impact fee
credits. Metro Commercial Development states no intended use.
Only commercial. Commercial what?
The Estates was promoted as land to build upon, create a ga
have horses, and even raise livestock. It even listed at one ti
waterfront property, a place where one can enjoy the enviro·'!'!.~~nt
and wildlife that Florida offers without going to a park ~o.
The Estates does not want a county school bus b ,_.,,."".,.,._r a county
road and bridge facility on Randall Curve. It will ~.U,,.,, traffic
problems, accidents, noise, and pollution fro e · se and gasoline
fumes. There's already enough fumes from th a sing cars . With a
maintenance facility, it would be even wo . lus, run --rainwater
runoff from the parking lots into the.st ing with road oil
flowing into the canals. Building ~ · ity would destroy the rural
environmental and whatever wildl e · now living on acres.
The option that would e .... ~ .......... ,,..,, the area, provide a benefit to the
Estates, and even bring t · o the area is the Shy Wolf Sanctuary.
They have a long-range p
CHAIRMAN Mc9A IEL: I'm going to ask.
MS. BURT : They intend use --
CHAI N cDANIEL: Rae Ann, stop.
than entitled to be in concert with the speaker, but
that we keep our personal comments to ourselves
._,..-=.->~ ... ~pect for all of the speakers across the board. Do we
t d? This is a positive head nod; yes. There we go.
o, Rae Ann.
MS. BURTON: The intent uses a world-class sanctuary
educational research facility with park trails for hiking, trails for
horseback riding --which we need. If you ever walked out of your
driveway and found a deposit, you want them on the trails --and
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biking benefiting the Estates. It may even be a tourist draw. It could
even rival CROW of Sanibel.
I did a poll, and 85 percent wanted the sanctuary; 9 percent
wildlife's rescue center, and 5 had no idea what to use it for.
Commercial center may or may not survive. There are man
centers that are only half filled, and stores and shops constant
closing. Staples couldn't make it in the Target center. Sho
center on Wilson are constantly closing and changing.
So why not permit something that will be long-1~~11-... ~
benefit the residents, both man and animal and en~·
cut down the trees, dig up the earth, and put d _.,,.i
lots and buildings that create impervious envir .......... ents.
This area is right at our front door, o very busy road, and on a
curve. There should be more discus1 i ,_,.,,,.,_, dded time when
homeowners can come, not at 9 a. e morning. Make the
website easy to find so comments e submitted. Send emails;
they were given at the meetin~--.................. eople that could be there. Post a
notice in Naples News. __ _,.,._ n't get the paper.
Broadcast meetings e local news stations and not the day
of, but at least two time several days before.
According n email from Golden Gate Estates Area Civic
Association, g e s ms to also be some legal issues is what --and
that needs to ~~solved. The Board was elected by the residents
that live in er County, was chosen to represent the people and
their l .__,,,,_.., nd their needs. The Board's main purpose is to protect
G ntlt'f"..,,... te's rural environment, the master plan of single-family
ho e , protect over --against overdevelopment. It is not to make
decisions based on personal preferences nor the demands of the
developers.
Golden Gate Estates is known for wildlife and rural
environment. It's what makes Naples a great place live. That is what
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we are fighting to preserve and protect. Randall Curve needs to be
built to benefit the Estates, not to destroy it.
Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Robert Anderson. He'll be
followed by Lois Delgrosso. ~
MR. ANDERSON: My name is Robert Anderson. I 1z 'i)
2780 29th Avenue in Golden Gate Estates. I used to be a c rate
executive working in New York City and retired here to ise, and
I want to keep it that way. ~~
I'm going to do a presentation on what I'm ca · ,~e bus barn
fiasco. The question is, to the Commissioner · --hy would a
farmer put a barn five miles from their animals h'.ere's the
rationale for putting a bus barn not on the ool district property?
Where's the sponsor of the bus barn l ...... ,~~,-.Y ' seen one show up as a
speaker. Where's the common se ollier County? And how
are you-all going to vote on this?
So with that, next slide. · s Collier County's version --
vision of a bus barn. I d .,,._.ILL .... it's very practical. Think about it.
A fiasco is a thing that's a plete failure, especially in a ludicrous,
impractical or stupid w~. his looks pretty stupid to me.
ut a bus barn right next to Waterways? Where is
t's a commercial, industrial-type building. It's the sense in t
not logica
oe·a , this feeling like you've heard this bull before. It
~~.,.., sense to put a bus barn not on school property. That's
kids are. That's where the school buses need to go.
why are we putting --what's the rationale for putting a bus
in a residential area? Why are we adding industrial buildings to
a residential area? You're adding 200-plus school buses to a morning
commute. That's already a very busy intersection as we know.
You're going to have increased accidents, congestion on a six-lane
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highway, and it's really a misuse of land. We've heard the Shy Wolf
Sanctuary folks. That's in keeping with, I think, the atmosphere we
have in the Estates.
It's a misuse of land. The residents appear to want different
things for this parcel, not a bus barn. So the County Commission s
have a really tough decision to make. What do we do with th ......,_,, .. ,"'""?
Obviously, a bus barn is dumb, in my opinion. Whoops. s ~-,w are
you going to vote? It's going to be interesting. 0
Thank you for your time, and I hope you vote to · nue the
active discussion and involvement of the opinions pc,._.., ..... .., community
before you decide what to do with this parcel, ca e what I saw as
a proposal is all over the map. Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker i ~Js elgrosso. He'll be
followed by Susan Novotny. • ~ ~
MS. DELGROSSO: I'm a fei.__._ .... ~ ~r
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: o .
MS. DELGROSSO: I th· erything has been said that I was
going to say.
CHAIRMAN McD ~ And thank you, Lois. I wanted to
say that if you are here Ji) speak on behalf of something that someone
else has already · d, you're welcome to get up, state your name so
that you're o or , and waive that time just in support of those
who have o on the same subject in front of you.
MR . ._...___,.......,R: Next speaker is Susan Novotny. She'll be
_,-_.....,_..,.r aryAnne Vega.
NOVOTNY: I'm also donating my time to Shy Wolf
a t ary. Thank you.
MR. MILLER: MaryAnne Vega?
MS. VEGA: I'm also donating my time to Shy Wolf. Thank
you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you.
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MR. MILLER: Cathy Gorman. She will be followed by Sue
Stefanelli.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Is Susan here? That podium,
please . Unless you're going to waive.
MS. STEFANELLI: I am going to waive. ~
MS. GORMAN: Hi. My name is Cathy Gorman; 722 P~
Crest Lane, Naples. ~ _,
They really have said pretty much everything, but ~ f have
one more comment. I've stood before you only a cou ·
before, which I've always been really glad for. s
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Go slow.
MS. GORMAN: Oh, sorry. But I think t s s e time to
maybe vote with heart and with peace. Y know, I've watched you,
and I honestly believe that every on; or-.,,. there has tried to do
no harm ever to this county. That' ou're here.
I'm not saying development ·1 o harm in any way, but I think
this is a time that you could re se heart and peace and bring
something that will trulY, ...... i........... e county in every way.
If you've never been hy Wolf, I encourage you with all my
heart, please go. I assu~ you, Deanna will get you in there
immediately. It ~ncredible when you walk to someone's backyard
and you reali b o~mall it is and how many animals are there, and
then all th hat they are doing.
_,..., ...... ...,d my own children through the university and
~~ograms volunteer there, and I have also, after the fires,
ve wolves. Let me tell you, I drive a Suburban. You can
one wolf in a Suburban. Do you know how many times you
get o go? Really, you need to know that, because this facility is so
needed.
And something else that was brought up. We have friends
personally that do work, both of them, for the hospital. They stayed
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through Irma. We left. You know whose dogs we took with us?
That's really important. Because they were so concerned. They're
here as our first responders, but they have animals they love. They
need a place as well. This will fill so many roles which they spoke to
you about. So what I'm asking you is, please, think about this o~
issue, maybe not so much for development as far as, you kn~,~
commercial, but for once with heart and with peace, and Ir~,
really encourage you to go there. ,t 0
Thank you. ~~
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Sue Ste _.,_ . ...,__
MS. STEFANELLI: Waive. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: She's waivin~ ,
MR. MILLER: Rich Hoffman.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: F ~r l,.,t,..IJ .l."'lil,,.'-'-'ll-ehalf of Shy Wolf.
MR. MILLER: Mr. Hoffma _,,..,...... followed by John Pelletier.
CHAIRMAN McDANIE~ ....... ~-•>~, are you here? Yes. I thought
I saw him in the back. ► ~.,,
MR. MILLER: Go P ... .l.'llr~~lf.
MR. HOFF AN: Go orning, Chairman McDaniel and
Commissioners. My n ~e 1s Richard Hoffman. I'm the vice
president of the encia Lakes Homeowners' Association consisting
of 483 homes
And ith reiterating or restating all the prior comments about
't have a bus barn, the residents of Valencia Lakes
~~ o the bus barn. I only mention that because I don't want
c liding.
n the chart that was put up before, it mentioned something
t the money from the sale of the 4 7 acres would be put into the
proper account. My question is: What is the proper account? Is that
an account of the county, or is that an account of the Golden Gate
Estates Land Trust? That's my question.
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Second comment is based on all the discussion that I've seen
here and the additional bid by Shy Wolfs secretary, I would think the
decision should be postponed another month so I can go back to the
people in my homeowners' association and explain to them in more
detail what the different options are. ~
Thank you. '(>
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is John Pelletier. t-rl"llllla.n be
followed by Kim Pratt. ,t 0
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Kim? ~ ~
(No response.) ~ ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Kim's not h ~~
MR. MILLER: Be followed by Enrico A al one. You'll be
next, sir. Please go ahead, sir.
MR. PELLETIER: Thank you.v
Good morning, Commission preciate the 10 o'clock
time-certain. We're all busy out h e · the general public. Thank
you for allowing me to speak e gain today.
My name's John Pe ·~--nd I've lived on Fourth Street
Northeast, which is the ne boring street to the west of this property
for 25 years. I am very~la to see that the executive summary makes
no mention con'-',. ...... ing the bus barn and subsequent industrial use on
this property.
Wear· ng shirt, I, as well as residents of our street, have held
l -r.if'llllw.· es and meetings with overwhelming support from the
·~~.v---gainst the industrial use and land swapping. I am
er today I can use this shirt for painting projects around the
Take it off.
So thank you for listening to us, Commissioners. And I would
like to thank Toni Mott for visiting our community and asking us
what we want to see there.
So here we are today with offers from prospective buyers which
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is a direct result of an outstanding decision by this board to put the
property up for sale. Some of the residents on my street met at my
house last night, and I wish to express what they did say.
Number one, all residents agree with the recommendation ~
staff to negotiate with Immokalee Road Rural Village for the ~~
development of a joint county and school district project str~---,-,,·--ot
on the Randall Curve property.
All did agree with the offer for the asking price of . illion
from Metro Commercial Development. They all did ~-r"~ that the
residents would like to see pleasant amenities in t1.Jft'li.m11:,a. We hope
that if this off er or any off er proposed here to cepted, that the
proceeds do not go to the county's portion of a t re road and
bridge --did not go to the future road and idge facility or a future
joint-use facility and, furthermore, tp e N ion to be used to the
benefit and residents of the Golde ~¥states directly.
Some of the ideas were: A d ark; help the Fire Department
with this money; A TV park. 1 me of the ideas that they threw
out there. -0~
In conclusion, on a p¥nal note, I can only stand up here today
to speak on behalf of nvself, my family, and some of the residents of
Fourth Street N east. I can't speak for the entire community of
Golden Gate sate
So I r e -all to carefully consider discussions and decisions
.,.,....,,._., time keeping in mind how important this is to the
~~ neighborhood and our district.
~·•--you for listening. God Bless America.
R. MILLER: Your next speaker is Enrico Avallone. To be
foll wed by Dawn Smith.
MR. AVALLONE: Thank you. Enrico Avallone. So I want to
say thank you for considering options than the bus barns. As has
been stated many times, the bus barn is a no-go for the residents of
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the Estates.
I am not here to support specifically which plan of a sale that
you are looking at, any of these proposals. I'm not opposed to the
Shy Wolf. I'm not opposed to the commercial use. But we are all in
agreement that we are opposed to a bus barn there. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Got that. ~
MR. AVALLONE: A few things I want to state, thou ............ _,
that the proceeds --if you were to take the highest off er ' just
assuming that that's what's taken, but not necessarily ' taken,
that the money should be used for the benefit of th ents. It is
listed in the GAC that that money is to be use --~-u ow, if
there's a sale of property, that that money's to se for the benefit
of the residents. c', .-.
The bus barn has been describ ~d ~eing a joint facility
for using buses to transport --I gu buses for Immokalee and
other areas; in other words, not fo H residents of the Estates. That
is against that agreement. ~
With that said, we to make sure that whatever's done us
residents from all the surr ding areas of this property have a say in
what happens in the fu ~e. If it's sold to X company here, we at least
have a say of --know, a seat at the table so that we can discuss
and build this ur or all ofus. Not only for whoever gets the
he people who surround it.
l nZ'IIIIWi to make sure that everybody has a seat. That's
have to say.
IRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you, sir.
R. AVALLONE: Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Dawn Smith. She'll be
followed by Michael R. Ramsey.
MS. SMITH: I'm Dawn Smith.
The bus barn is actually --the majority of those buses will be
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going to Immokalee. That was a little tidbit that's been left out to the
community, and we've been trying to get it out there. It's an
intersection that is already failing. So to put --even consider to put
that amount of buses that are going to benefit the Immokalee area
would be insane. ~
Whatever you choose, just don't let it be the bus barn. ,, '\ '(>
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you, Dawn. ~
MR. MILLER: Your final speaker is Michael R. s y, who's
been ceded three additional minutes from Nadine Eu ~,--n,..,,
(Raises hand.)
MR. MILLER: Mr. Ramsey will have a ,.--.;c -
MR. RAMSEY: Commissioners, I'm Mi a amsey. I'm the
president of the Golden Gate Estates Are ivic Association.
We've had many discussions wj t mbers and residents
about this issue. And, first of all, o thank you for, in the
beginnings of this issue, allowin pursue the other options for
the sale. That's been --it's ere ome very interesting discussions
and some lively discussi
First of all, the Estat ivic position is that this agenda item
today, the way it's state deep down in the agenda package, is a
violation of the 3 GAC Land Trust agreement. It specifically says
n nds shall be used for the benefits of the Estates
e Estates boundary. It also states that that's monies
all not be used for transportation projects.
~--.,-ent proposal in front of us today unfairly makes the
idents bear an unfair cost burden that should be borne by
taxpayers of Collier County because it's a
tran portation-related issue.
The Estates Civic believes this item should be extended another
30 days to allow for discussion. In our Golden Gate Area Master
Plan we have a line item in it that says that there should be a
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visioning process that should take place of the corridor between Oil
Well and Randall where this property falls. That has not been taken
place. Currently, the master plan is in transmission due to be
received back soon.
The Estates recommends that we should go ahead and have~
discussion within a 30-day extension so that we can pursue ~
discussions about the future of this area that may bring abo
different conclusion about which of these proposals is bJt1'l r or the
Estates . ~~
So we would recommend that you allow us · e to discuss
this. Thank you. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you. ► , ,
MR. MILLER: Mr. Chairman, that n5 ..;7 our final speaker on
this subject. ~~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: • L')f you --we're past our break
for our stenographer, so if there --s the pleasure of the Board, if
you want to take a quick 10-· break, and then we'll come back
and deliberate and vote. .....~,~ 1 be back at --10 minutes from
now; 10:53.
(A brief recess wa haa.)
. MR. OCH W:ommissioners, Mr. Chairman, you have a live
mlC. ~ ~
Ladi ~~· entlemen, please take your seats.
CHA N McDANIEL: Are we all set?
~~-.,.... don't have any lights lit up, so I'm going to take the lead
I would like to make a suggestion. I'd like to just go
~~,...,nd make a motion.
The last time I looked, this was meant to be government of and
by and for the people. And if we've heard nothing today, we've heard
about an enormous amount of people's issues with regard to what and
how this property is, in fact, managed.
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So I would like to suggest that we continue this item for a month
to our second meeting in May. I have a town hall meeting on
April 30th scheduled. I have --and I have volunteered, with staff, to
host a public meeting at the IFAS Center sometime in early May: and
we'll invite the offerers, the folks who have came and made us o s,
to come and make presentations as to the validity of their of~e,{~,~
then there is at least one Golden Gate Civic Association me ~ in
May as well prior to our second meeting in May, at whi-.r-~---...int we
can then come back, have an enormous amount more blic input
from the residents that are impacted by these decis · and allow for
that to be a portion of our decision-making at s n meeting in
May. So with that, I'd like to make that motio to continue until then.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'll seco our motion, and then
I'll --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: _,.._ o the mic.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: release this thing, because I
wanted to ask if you would pu · o all of us the dates of these
different meetings in cas e11t:X~·nt to sit in. I certainly wouldn't have
anything to say, but I wou ike to listen to what people have to say.
And so if we have lac ~ and times, I would appreciate that.
CHAIRM McDANIEL: Absolutely. And I haven't picked a
time for the tin ·n May, the individual one for this item at the
IF AS Cen er. ve a town hall scheduled for the evening of
April 30th , and that's advertised out there already, and then
~~..-1'4.._ make sure on my website, on District 5's website, that
e time and place for that meeting in early May.
R. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes, sir.
MR. OCHS: Just a quick clarification on that meeting. You
said the staff was going to be hosting that with you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No, I did not, sir. I was very clear
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that I would host it, and I talked to you about hosting it so that staff
wasn't --other than being there to hold my hand and help me run the
little anonymous clickers. Because we've had several public
meetings. I've been at them. And those anonymous clickers that
folks can sit in the back and express their opinions, that's the on~.
assistance I'll require, sir. 'l)w Y
If you understood me to say that staff was going to ho · no,
that was not --I'm going to host it, and I'll just need a fe e ple to
help me with the clickers.
MR. OCHS: Very good. And two other qui
clarification to some of the speakers' commen , ___ ...:_
to a school bus barn and us running the CAT b se out of there. The
school bus barn is the portion of the joint ~ect that is under the
jurisdiction of the Collier County P bl· ~::~~~ls. These are to allow
them to have a central place to se ___ ..... run their school buses to
benefit the children who go to sch ·n the Estates.
And the other reference t e supposed violation of the 1983
agreement, I think, is tot .,......"'-'unded, and your County Attorney
can comment on that furt · f you'd like.
And, finally, the r ~erences to a county road and bridge facility
that would prov· road and bridge maintenance services to the
Estates and s w r management services and debris cleanup and
uring time of disaster, I think, is every bit as much a
sidents of the Estates as fire service or police service
~..-other programs or facilities or equipment that have
y been funded out of the proceeds of that GAC Land Trust.
AIRMAN McDANIEL: I'm just going to say, Mr. Ochs, that
we egularly allow people to say what they wish with regard to the
public process. And I want to give credence to those who have made
public statements and also caution to everyone listening that not
everything that is said is as factual, necessarily, as it can be.
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Mr. Robert had a very interesting PowerPoint presentation
regarding a bus barn and "moo-ve over" or, whatever that other one
was. That was really cool stuff. Some things are embellished along
those lines, and I want to offer caution to the effect that the public
speakers have the right to say what and as they wish. It's not giv
anything other than credence and that opportunity for public ,, '\ '(>
comment. ~
And I don't think there's a need for us to counter a~, hat,
especially today, simply because we're --we are int~~
public-comment process. S'~
Commissioner Saunders. ~
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Thank i o~,-
1
ust --I'm going
to support your motion. I don't have any · es with the motion, but I
do have a couple of questions and, n er_...,.,_, me comments.
In terms of the --this bus ba and everything, you may
have provided us a lot of inf ormat · n n that, but I need some more
information as to how that wo work, what areas would be
serviced, and just what t ~ew...m eed is, and so I think that would be
important going forward.
Secondly, I'd like ha the folks from the Shy Wolf preserve
or --I'm not sur
CHAI
co
cDANIEL: Sanctuary.
NER SAUNDERS: Sanctuary, I'm sorry --had to
hat their mission is, and I just wanted to kind of
~~eil" with staff --I'm not suggesting that this should go on
rty at all; that's an issue that we'll talk about. But we have
t _.___ • ...,,. ... J k down in East Naples --yeah, on the road to Immokalee --
on t e road to Marco Island. I'm sorry. I'm not sure what we call
that.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: That 60 acres.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah.
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MR. OCHS: The Manatee Park site?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Is that a 60-acre park; is that
what that is?
MR. OCHS: Yes, sir. ~
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Well, I'm just wonder·
does a Shy Wolf Sanctuary fit in with a park operation that e
there in the future; just a thought. It just seems to me th @ t might
be a solution for their issue and also provide some a~~ · s in that
area. But I'm going to support the motion this mo.r--...... -,.._
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you, .
Commissioner Solis.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I think t I would like to see is --
and I appreciate that you're going to.h ~ n hall meeting where
you'd invite the folks that are --~~r
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: s a correction. The town hall
meeting is already scheduled. ready booked up. It can be a
portion of that. But I'm ~11 ~~ ost a separate meeting specifically
for this item in early May, t to clarify, sir.
COMMISSIONE S LIS: And I appreciate that. But if there's
going to be a pr-....,. ....... tation from the potential purchasers of the
property to h r an e terms of their purchase is, I would like to
hear that. I think --no, I think that's something that if we're
going to d'""_,, ... ..., .. , I think we should have that here.
~~ertuestions --and I appreciate the off er made by the Shy
nization which, doing the math, comes out per acre to be
e same that we're getting from the offer from the commercial
But the nature of that off er I would like to hear more about.
And if we're going to have a process where offers are being
compared in a public setting, I mean, I would like to see that done
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here because the decision --this decision affects more than just the
Golden Gate Estates. I mean, it will affect traffic on Immokalee
Road.
You know, if the facilities that are needed there aren't created,
that will create more traffic going in and out of Collier County,~
opinion. '(>
So this is not only, in my opinion, just a Golden Gate ...... a.Tes
issue; this is a Collier County issue. And I'd like to heat o e --
those presentations here . I have no objection to a co · nee .
I will --since we all get a chance to say our t ts worth, I
would suggest to speakers that if you're tryinz-,~-.:c ince us to make
a different decision, using the word "stupid" is r a ly not the way
to do it, because if there's one thing that I very clear on is that
neither our commission or our staff i r and I think the county
shows that. And that's all I have t out that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: --"l'Mc-L l,:f I.L.L'lc you, Forrest.
COMMISSIONER SOL pid is as stupid does, by the
way.
CHAIRMAN McD~ Gotcha.
COMMISSIONE TAYLOR: Well, I do have some questions.
I do think --and espectfully disagree with our Chairman. I think
we need to se e r ord straight, because there's no need for you to
discuss th· s t aren't accurate.
So th thing I would like to do is just briefly give us the
_,,_ .... ....__,.,~w the school barn and the road maintenance concept
~~p'W;p d when it was created and what is happening now that it's
i.__,.,...,rought forth, sir.
MR. OCHS: Toni, you want to start at the beginning back in the
mid '80s.
MS. MOTT: Back in 2007 --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Louder.
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MS. MOTT: Back in 2007, the school district and the county
were negotiating the 4 7 acres. The property was going to be split.
We were working on an interlocal at that time. Half would go to the
school district for their facilities; half would be the county --remain
the county's for our facilities. It would be a joint endeavor, and t
there was the turn in the economy. And there wasn't money ~~,
forward, so it just kind of laid dormant for several years. ~
Fast forward a year, year-and-a-half ago, the nego~~o s started
again with the school district. ~ ~
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And who ow-/--FLT"'lllll,.I-_.._.., property that
you say that was --did the county own it at th i
MS. MOTT: Yes. That acreage was part f
Trust. It came to the county per the 1983 reement. So the 4 7 acres
actually was a little bit larger. Appr.ox · 10 acres is utilized for
stormwater, for transportation; th ased that parcel. But it is in
the county's inventory. It always s een.
COMMISSIONER TAY . And so to our County Attorney,
it comes from the --it ca .., _ _. ... e county from the land trust; am I
hearing that? Can you gi s the genesis of the legal basis for who
owns this property and ~here does this money go, please.
MR. KLA OW: Given the history of this particular parcel,
wn his property, and Collier County can do what it
operty.
IONER TAYLOR: Thank you.
-~_.,..c.,... SALANGUIDA: Commissioner, one point of
· n: Why it became a joint facility, and this is probably
im ant for the public and everybody to understand, is the bus barn
faci 1ty and the road and bridge facility share fueling, maintenance.
The cost to build those facilities are enormous. And so when
you talk about combining those assets, wherever it is --the Board
will decide, ultimately, where we put it, but access on a county
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arterial is, at a minimum, a half a million dollars, a fuel facility is
close to 2 million dollars, and the containment that's required for
those is several million dollars that goes with it with the site, water
quality and everything.
So regardless of where this goes, the genesis that came out o
the 2004 to 2007 discussions was about it's expensive to buil
They're the same type of vehicles. They require maintenan . t
services the folks in the Estates, and we're traveling eno.-r--.____,,.
distances from Davis Boulevard, which is a leased fa ·
State, to get out to the east. ~ ..
So we were trying to reduce traffic, save ~n a site. And
this, back in 2004, was a location that is differ t an it is today --
but said, okay, that we have that location.
So wherever you end up with tpis · ' ortant that we save
resources, provide that service so .._,,..,,._,., e not traveling as far. We
lose a tremendous amount of prod c 1ty coming out of the Davis.
The traffic --we're all on at 6: 1 he morning when the gentlemen
start their day, they're co · gout to the Estates, predominantly to
provide these services, an keep that in mind as we make these
decisions going f orwar
COMMISS ER TAYLOR: Thank you.
And as ~jlso o forward, we've had an offer. It's not in
writing. I's t ¥al offer at this point to split that property. I'm
assuming t e 1.5 would be for Shy Wolf Sanctuary so, therefore,
~.._.~_._ain in the county's possession. I think as we go forward
ly need to have some ideas, if any, how you would utilize
...... ...,,-.LJ .,'--fperty. Would it be for sale? Could you put something on it?
Wh t would it be? I think it would be important for the neighbors to
understand what to do. Do we need another park with Big Corkscrew
right there and, you know, yet to be developed but soon to be
developed? So that is something that we've not addressed before?
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And I think it's important that we do do that.
MR. OCHS: Yeah. Frankly, Commissioners, you have the staff
recommendation here, so ...
If you want to do something else, you're, obviously, very free to
~~ ~
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Well, I think it would be ~
important to hear from staff, assuming --assuming, and I'm
saying this is going to happen, but let's just assume that .--..--...-operty
was split in half. Okay. What would you put there , ~-ll"J"O--~--cessarily
that you would recommend it, and maybe give it s'l'T'lll .. '-",.L.Lought.
MR. OCHS: Sure. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I mean --an~nh all due respect,
Commissioner, the decision as to what w ' 01ng to do with the
piece of property by this board will !"'e ~ ............. '-': our second meeting in
May, and then once we decide an ---fi,,::,.·"f"'l ___ ., __ ine what we're going to do
with it, then we can have some ki analysis by staff as to whether
or not or what we're going to
COMMISSIONER .... ...,.r,v Oh, I don't expect that analysis
today. I just thought it w be important to know that. Maybe it's
a piece of property that~an t --the county wouldn't want it. Maybe
they would wan sell it. I don't know . That's just more
inf ormationa d n required right now.
CHA \~~ McDANIEL: Commissioner Solis.
COM IONER SOLIS: Just a logistical question, because
~~ RFP that was put out.
IRMAN McDANIEL: There was. I was going to ask the
Attorney that.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And so there were responses, and
now there's another offer. Was it an RFP, or did we just receive --
MR. OCHS: We just received --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay. So it was not an RFP.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: There was a time-certain with
regard to when we were accepting bids and closure for that period of
time. And I know --I've had several people approach me about
making adjustments and/or other offers and, procedurally, I would
like to know whether or not we should, could --~
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And let me just express my '4>
concern, is that without some date at which all offers have t 1n,
this could, theoretically, go on forever if we're going to
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: That's true.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And so I'm a litt
we're just going to keep kicking the decision --...._-.c
because I would think that the other bidders sh
opportunity to respond as well.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: S o ..... ~-~ ecide to allow one of
the bidders to adjust their offer, th s uld be open to all who
have made offers, and then that bo e e question as to whether or
not we should --and, again, h uld we --how will we treat --I
mean, when this issue ca UIW,,ojJ'U,st year --and I lobbied a lot for this
property to be up for sale, u said at that time that, you know, we
accept offers on all of o r property all of the time.
So at what ·nt do we provide for fair discussion, public input?
Ultimately, w. tH board makes a decision as to what we're going
to do, the tha cision is made, and we'll be done. So I'd like to ask
that --witH permission --I share that same concern with regard
_, .... _....,...,,.,iiose who have made offers within the time frame as a
,....... ..
1.f and I know of one other person/entity that has made a
e tion of an offer that I've said, we really can't accept it.
So, County Attorney?
MR. KLATZKOW: At the end of the day, it's up to the majority
will of the Board. I mean, if you've got proposals and you're not all
that happy with the proposal, that you want to hear more proposals,
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you can do so.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Just so you know, I mean, we've
invited bidders, and we've got bids from folks --I'm not going to
support the motion just because I think we need some finality, and we
have an oral offer to buy real estate which is unenforceable. Yo~
know, where is this going to end? I think we're going to get~~~
never-ending process. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So are you not suppo~.-~----.,·~~e
motion for the continuance until May?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: The continuance ' I think
staff has done what we asked them to do. Fol a come forward
with very good offers. Everybody should hav-.. _L_.L._....,de their best offer.
And I just see this process continuing on ~l'er unless we abide by
what we directed staff to do. • ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: y offer did not --my
motion for continuance for 30 da s to receive public input. It
had nothing to do with adjusti t current offers. I concur with
you --
COMMISSIONER
CHAIRMAN Mc~ IEL: I concur with you. This is Real
Estate Broker 1 oing on with me. When the period is set, the
time-certain do . I'm not suggesting that we continue to allow
people to d·u eir offers. I'm just asking that we continue this
decision f o -· 1 our second meeting in May at which --and then
~llllir-~ least have three public meetings in that interim to hear
.. ....._J, .......... input from the folks that are impacted by this decision.
-no adjustments to the offers. The offers are what they are.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: And the three public meetings are
in the nature of what; county commission meetings where we discuss
these or --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No, sir. One will be --it will be a
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subject at the town hall that I'm hosting on April 30th. I will host a
specific meeting early May at the IF AS center, same place, and then
there is one Golden Gate Civic Association meeting at the fire station
out on 13th that the subject will be brought up again, and then I'll
bring that information back to us in the second meeting in May n
we deliberate as to what to do. '(>
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Wait. Didijustheart ...... ...., ...... Did I
just hear what I thought I heard? You had an offer that~t4
you, and you're going to bring it back? ~ ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No, what you --'~
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I mishea_...__ .
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes, you did i ear. There was a
suggestion of another offer being made, a I told those folks that we
were not in the process of accepting.a -~, ... .I.M' ... onal offers. The
period was set, and a time was clo ~"-
COMMISSIONER TAYLO · ay.
CHAIRMAN McDANI d so I concur with
Commissioner Solis that .__.,....., d not allow for adjustments to --for
this particular piece of pr y to be made. And the deferral of this
decision for 30 days, a ~in, is just to allow for additional public
input, which is · ly needed.
Commis er iala.
CO I NER FIALA: Yes. One of the things that
s --
AN McDANIEL: Speak into the mic, please.
MISSIONER FIALA: Can't get too much closer.
ne of the things that intrigued me the most was something that
you said that possibly Metro Commercial Development Group would
also be speaking at one of these things so we would be able to
understand what they were actually going to do. I think right now it's
just hinting at it, but we don't really know, and that was why I wanted
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to attend some of these, because we didn't hear today exactly what's
going on.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct. And that --my rationale
for asking for this continuance till our second meeting in May is we
have --this has been staff driven since the beginning. And with ~
relatively speaking, little to no public input, and the presente~:\, 1
offerers who some are here, some are not, were not invited ~y.
We have staffs recommendation, which I don't dis e with. I
mean, I have to say that staffs done their due diligen _. ...... "....,,.,i
malice with regard to this but, again, I said it at th ning; it's
government of and by and for the people, whi ationale for
the continuance.
And you're welcome --by the way, ~ 're welcome to come to
these meetings, to my town hall. C ~m · s er Saunders, I really
want to invite you. ~
COMMISSIONER SAUND . I will accept your invitation.
We probably need to get Suns e aw advice from our County
Attorney, but we can att t e types of public meetings. We just
can't have any interaction · h each other.
CHAIRMAN Mc 9A-IEL: That's right. We have to stay
three feet apart.
COMM R TAYLOR: No, you don't have to. You just
can't talk.
CHA N McDANIEL: Well, I'm making a joke.
~_,.L~sioner Taylor, you're --and, correct, it is publicly
at there may be one or more of us in the room.
MMISSIONER TAYLOR: So ifwe can't make these
mee ings, then we will have a presentation from each of the folks that
have offered, right --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: --at our meeting --
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Absolutely.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: --in June? Okay, great.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Absolutely. No matter --and
assuming we do with the continuance. I think that's requisite.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And, Mr. Chairman, Ijus
want to point out that I had a town hall meeting just recen~tly.
103 attendees, and so I'll be at your meeting to see how ma ou
have.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes. By the way, I ---=-fll.n. signed
dollar when I win, just so you know. So
All right. It's been moved and seconded t continue this
item to our second meeting in May, and I will t t or a time-certain,
just so you know. c', .-.
Is there any other discussion? t Wa t this --we don't
take --we don't take --please, ple going to ask you to
politely sit down. We don't take c:;~~ent at this stage. The public
portion is closed. ~
Is there any other d · W .:l'lllhl,W'.l ?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN Mc9A-IEL: All in favor?
COMMISS ER FIALA: Aye.
CHAI N cDANIEL: Aye.
CO \~~ NER TAYLOR: Aye.
COM IONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
AN McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
MISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
AIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved. Are you opposing it?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yes.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. 4-1, it passes. You're
welcome to come to my town hall as well.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'll try to be there because I had
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104, by the way.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: He had 102. You had 104. You
guys --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Three.
Item #1 lD
REVIEW CONTRACT DELIVERABLES A ----..--~-
OUTCOMES ASSOCIATED WITH THE CO
ACCELERATOR PROGRAM AND PR
STAFF ON THE FUTURE OF TH ~ P
WORK WITH Ell BOARD TO S
ACCELERATORS, TURN OVE
STAFF, WORK W/FGCU TO""""~_,,,,,_
LEADERSHIP AND D
TO COVER EXPENSES
CURRENT FISCAL Y A
time-certa
deliverable
at takes us to Item 1 lD. This is your 10:45
It's a recommendation to review contract
program outcomes associated with the Collier
_,_~_,..,~lerator Program and provide direction to staff on the
o he program.
r. Callahan will present.
MR. CALLAHAN: Good morning, Commissioners. For the
record, Sean Callahan, executive director of corporate business
operations.
Just very briefly --and we have some members from the Ell
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board of directors as well as Dr. Aysegul Timur from Florida Gulf
Coast who wanted to speak to you today as well.
At your February 26th meeting, we reviewed the contract
deliverables associated with Ell's FY '19 contract. It was also
discussed at that meeting that Ell was in the process of visiting '-.
several different accelerators and incubator programs across t4~ lta'te
of Florida, and l believe, as part of your request, you asked ~ we
bring you some of those contracts today to review alon if'~ e f Ell's
FY '19 contract. ~ ~
So in your agenda packet today, we included '19 contract
for Ell, and Ell also drafted a white paper, w · lieve you all
have a copy of today.
So l believe Dick Grant is going to ~
white paper, and following your co
review of your contract deliverabl
en a little bit on that
of that, along with the
available to answer
questions, and pending any directi at you provide, we could
make any type of program ad· ...,.__ ... _.,...,nts or contract amendments;
that's possible.
So with that, I'll intr
Ell board of directors. ✓
e Dick Grant, who's the chairman of the
MR. GRA · Thank you. Dick Grant, chairman of the Ell
board.
this in two parts: I'm going to talk very briefly.
Dr. Timur to come up, and then I'll come back up,
~.., quick. I'd just like to make note of the fact --and thank
e opportunity, by the way, to come and talk about the
...,__._ . ..,_._ators and the past and the future and the opportunity to do this.
pent a lot of time preparing this white paper. l hope it was
useful to you. It was intended to be factual and historic.
With me is Jennifer Pellechio, who you know is the president of
Ell; Mr. Fred Krieger, who is our chief volunteer financial officer;
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George Ahem, who's a member of our board; Tim Durham, who you
know, who's a member of our board; and also, I'd like to identify Tina
Matte, who many of you know with the Gravina Smith Matte firm.
And Tina has been helpful in assembling the white paper and
messaging and communicating, and appreciate all of her help.
The accelerators belong to Collier County. They were c_......,""'..,~
2013/14 at the direction of this board, and Ell came about t f>l'llllllll.n1
that about. And I'd like to ask Dr. Aysegul Timur, who ....... ·. ~ ... ..,
assistant vice president for strategic planning of FGC -,-rking in
the office of Dr. Martin, to come up, because she's ~,...,. to talk to
you about why the accelerators got created, th e is to that, and
how they play a very significant part in the rol o economic
development. She's a trained economist; t's er thing.
And I'd like Dr. Timur to talk .• A speaks, I'd like to make
a few remarks, and then we'll be h .....,,,.-...... answer questions.
Dr. Timur.
DR. TIMUR: Thank yo d morning.
With the purpose o sentation, I believe it would be
appropriate to take the op unity and make a reference to
Opportunity Naples stu y, which was conducted in the summer of
2014, and the st was conducted by Market Street, which is a very
nationally rec g iz economic development consultancy firm.
And y had many faces. And you can see all the reports
t:Jiltllll!!!iik-e rts.
there are a lot of remarks and a lot of things. And I
many sections, and I think I read every single line of all
e study included not only the competitive assessment of
Collier County, but also the target sectors, marketing analysis, and
the strategies for economic diversification and also an
implementation plan.
The reason I am referencing this study was that the conceptual
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idea of Naples Accelerator was part of the community-wide
discussions at that time, and it was identified as one of the strategies
for Collier County's economic diversification opportunity.
So many organizations and many individuals involved in the
study: Greater Naples Chamber of Commerce, Board of County~
Commissioners members, and also many community influ~
leaders, business leaders. So it was a very comprehensive ssion;
50-plus members of Steering Committee involved to th ~~v-
The study concluded many recommendations, b ....,,.'"_._......,
item related to our presentation today. As part of
decisions and key initiatives, one of the actioi..,....· llk...iii
Action 2.1.3, expand Collier County's entrepre e ria capacity.
With that, it was suggested to consi o portunities to develop
one or more sector-specification ace.el~---"·~.,.,, or local target
categories. With that, implement · n in the study included the
Naples Accelerator under the lead s · p of Collier County Office of
Business and Economic Deve ~1n"llli!l nt and, shortly after, the county
executed the plan. -0
1
'
The study reference -~is is the important part. The study
referenced creatin an ~trepreneurial ecosystem in Collier County
which is an inte piece for economic development and
diversificatio .
In te s o est practices and also in order to create an
entreprene~i;!'!'."'...,ecosystem, strong and rigorous educational and
~~o~rams are important to provide foundation to new and
,.._~.,r, businesses and ideas with supporting business mentorships,
es ally service, and a collaborative environment; however, it is
recognized that established and enforced performance indicators are
important as --they are as important as these educational programs as
stated in the best practices section of the white paper, which
Mr. Grant will cover in details probably later.
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So as indicated in the white paper, accelerators should you have
been --should be seen like hubs for business ideas from all over the
world, but the primary performance indicators should be around
selectivity and exiting from the program in an adequate time period.
The main goal for these companies is to succeed in diversi ~
the economy and creating high-skill --high skills and CC,W Y
high-wage-paying jobs. Office space renting and remainin · die
accelerator is not a permanent goal.
As clarified in the white paper and part of the w ~3
~
Florida Gulf Coast University has a desire to supn
greater role to improve the educational and tr · · n rograms as part
of the best practices available at the Naples Ac el rator with the
assistance provided by FGCU Institute fo ntrepreneurship .
FGCU Institute for Entreprene · er the leadership of its
director, Dr. Sandra Kauanui --an =i:~::lk'--':'1 of you know her --that
she's one of the leaders in town ev ere in the region, champion
for entrepreneurship, has a str~~--, onsistent, and precise educational
program structure with · , credentialed, dynamic subject
matter expert, technology used, and experienced faculty to provide
21st Century entre ren~rs ip programs.
With a clea defined mission by the Naples Accelerator,
FGCU Instit or trepreneurship is willing to assist to develop
and delive rig us, outcomes-based and even tailored and
cational and training programs to the members of the
~fillillllilirY ollow up their business plans and, finally, assist them to
ong presentations when it is time for searching for funding.
nee collaboration is so important, these steps could be
designed and offered in partnership with the leaders and mentors of
the FGCU's Small Business Development Council and the local
SCORE chapter and other entities for capital opportunities.
Therefore, Naples Accelerator can become a center point of creating
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entrepreneurial ecosystem in Collier County.
I also would like to note FGCU continues to explore other
considerations internally to support the Naples Accelerator; however,
many of these discussions at this point is under development
depending on the legislation and also resource and budget constr · ts.
I believe Mr. Grant will continue more on talking about ~
white paper.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Before you go away, i would,
please, elaborate a little bit with regard to FGCU's en .......... ,,_.""neurial
program; how long its been in existence, how ma ~iaf{icipants have
came through. If you would share. ~
DR. TIMUR: FGCU's entrepreneurship lav aemic program
includes FGCU students at this point. So have a significant
number of students. I don't exactly la1 many students are in
that program, but it is one of the g · programs at FGCU. And
entrepreneurship is now part of th U's strategic plan.
CHAIRMAN McDANI ay. And I didn't mean to put you
on the spot, Dr. Timur. nted --
DR. TIMUR: I am s · learning. I have been at FGCU for three
weeks now. So I'm stil earning, and I promise to send those
numbers to you.
CHAI N cDANIEL: Please , if you would.
DR. I : Absolutely.
CHA N McDANIEL: If we're going to continue with this
~~ s going to be a critical item for me to have a look at to
a -W!ll~l how we go forward .
. TIMUR: Absolutely. And we would love to have you on
cam us and also see our entrepreneurship program and what we do.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you.
MR. GRANT: Thank you.
A few points. And I'm not going to talk that long. And then
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we'll take whatever questions you've got; do our best to answer them.
And I think the first point that I believe is important to bear in
mind here is I think you need to separate the accelerators from Ell.
The accelerators really belong to Collier County. They were created
at the instance of this board a number of years ago. ~
Ell was simply the instrumentality that was designed to C/\J
implement bringing them about and operate them. Ell is as Let' of
an upstart as are all the candidates in the program. It m ~e a very
fine board of directors, as it does, who have great ex ~Ze in
business, but none ofus have ever run an accelera __,,,.. .. ~ ore either.
It's not like you hired Ell as a long-standing o
come in and run them.
We created this thing as it was bein ne, and I think this
certainly got a lot of criticism of it, i n u..,.._ ..... ,~,._,f it's well deserved. I
think we're past it. But keep it se ..,_ .... ,_,:,. he accelerators don't have
to be run by Ell. They could be · f erently. And maybe that is
an idea whose time could hav e, but I'm not trying to dwell on
that. I just think it's imp at you keep the two separate in your
decision-making.
The white pa er w s put together. The idea for that came about
last fall. We re · e that we, as an organization, needed to do a better
e a elerators were running, the programmatic part
al part of it, and also learn more about how
rate around the country.
~-...~ undertook a pretty good study both through resources
n the Internet as well as some visits to some pretty heavy
class operations in Orlando at the University of Central
da. FIU; Jennifer Pellechio happened to be in California on
personal business, and she took some time to go look at accelerators
while she was out there.
We gained a lot of information, and that helped fashion the
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white paper. A lot of talk is made about deliverables in our contract.
There's no deliverable in our contract for producing a white paper.
There's no deliverable requiring that we undertake a study and a
survey of how accelerators should operate. We did that on our own
because we thought it needed to be done, and we thought you nee d
the information as well as us. So it was an extra and it was a
And it took not insignificant work. And we tried our best t
factual. We tried to make it as correct as we could. 0
And I will make one correction. There's a fact s .,.,..._0 ·--·n there of
data from the accelerators that has information the ~~ ut jobs
created. We believe it's accurate, but we did --..---~m e ·t clear that
the jobs created were not necessarily full time valent jobs.
They're just jobs. So some of them may be full-time equivalent.
We should have made that point. Ap y ough said about that.
The white paper --and I thi ... .LL ... ,_ ...... ,_ ommendations that it is
making to you are really in two re e s. One, programmatic
changes under the --about a ~~ ng in there called "best practices"
which Dr. Timur mentio ose are what I call the educational,
the mentoring, the trainin rt of the program. We need to do a
better job of how that's one. It needs to be more formalized than it
has been. Help FGCU would be wonderful to do a better job of
bringing that~jut. nd we look forward to that to the extent things
keep on g inl ~
But, a 1d, I think that you all need to decide what you think
of th ~~~ ators, and there are two, and they are different. The one
...... __ ._"'.,"'-4,lee's quite different from the one in Naples. The one in
............... -.:0 alee is very technically oriented toward food to some extent
pro ably aligned best with the University of Florida IF AS, which it is
already. The one in Naples is different. And we think the
accelerators are a good idea. Those on the board wouldn't be
spending the time that we have spent on it if we didn't believe that,
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but it's really your decision about what you want to do in the future
and how you want to keep them going and the kind of help that you
can enlist from FGCU and others to do it.
And it can be done differently. It doesn't have to be done b,t .,
Ell, and Ell can morph and change, and happy to talk about doi 1n,
And I guess my one final comment, and it's sort of an an ] ,
and it's probably a little bit trite, but I'll say it anyway beca
couldn't think of a better one. There's a saying called 11 't hrow the
baby out with the bathwater. 11 Well, if you think of t . .1.,e,,111""~
sort of the baby, if you want to get rid of the bath that's Ell,
but don't get rid of the baby at the same time if ean to keep the
baby.
And the one thing I would say to yo , i you do wish to
continue them or if you want to worJ<: , ... ._,,.. ..... tioning and things, let's
try to do it with some level of ent , because lack of
enthusiasm is a killer. It really is ..._~~il"'ier. And I think it's very
important. ~
So I have nothing _L_L_MLI.L-ay. I can answer questions. If they
get real detailed, Jennifer answer them; Dr. Timur can answer
them; anybody can ans er hem. Thank you.
CHAIRM McDANIEL: Thank you.
v n ights lit up. Do you want me to go first?
Commissi ner unders.
COM !ONER SAUNDERS: Sure.
AN McDANIEL: You're getting ready to hit your
ou want me to go first on this?
MMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll follow up.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All right. I have a question of staff.
And I've been quoted in the paper. I've been very vocal. I have not
changed my position from the last time that we spoke about this. I
am committed --we committed last year to fund Ell and these
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accelerators through the end of this fiscal year, one. Have no
intention of continuing that funding under those circumstances into
the next fiscal year.
I would like to ask the committed funding that we have
appropriated, from a term standpoint, are we sufficiently funded
get through the end of this fiscal year with no subjective adjus{I
to what we've committed to? ~
MR. OCHS: Yes. The county budget, yes. 0
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. So with that t wanted to
make sure that we move --what we had appropria s, in fact,
existent. ~
Personally, I am going to suggest the sep~V,t~?n of Ell and the
accelerators, in fact, come alive. I would · e for the separation of
the accelerators to actually, in fact, ~c -'J,1-........
I spoke to our CRA board in ...v.•--o lee last week with regard to
this and got a unanimous consent o that board to assist with the
operations from a financial st -..._"'.., · nt for the accelerator in
Immokalee per se. And 've got to say about that.
What are you makin ace for, Sean? Did you have a question
for me? ✓
MR. CAL AN: I did not. No, sir.
MR. A have a question.
CHA r altii.fj McDANIEL: Come to the microphone, please.
MR. ~ : You mentioned --
AN McDANIEL: Wait till you get to the mic.
AHERN: George Ahem, board member of the accelerator.
uess you mentioned that you were not in favor of funding it
past this year, but you are in favor of separating it, which means that
you are in favor of an accelerator of some sort. Is that what you're
saying? I don't quite understand what you said here.
You mean, if the schools take it over, is that what you're saying
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or some other entity takes it over? You're for entrepreneurship?
You're for having an accelerator, right?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Absolutely, but there's more than
one organization that does promote entrepreneurial education.
MR. AHERN: Right. '
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Absolutely, I am in favor o ~s4 ~!rt
of this type of operation but not under its current administr~
processes. 0
MR. AHERN: You understand, though, an acc ~ .. ....,YV'r has
advanced companies. These are Stage 1 or Stage
These are not students. These are people who v business. So,
therefore, they will be continuing their busines . t's a little different.
I'm just trying to figure out whether you'r r an accelerator --for
example, if the --let's say --an exarp p CU taking it over, but
one accelerator, say, would you fa county helping FGCU with
the funding for it, or not, if they as e .
CHAIRMAN McDANI r and until the details of that
presentation --until toda ~·,.t' ... ~..,. ...... ot heard that FGCU had an interest
and support and with that cess, but --and you're asking
suppositions of me rig~now, sir, so ...
MR. AHE · Dr. Timur indicated that in a talk they were
considering t I' just bringing that up.
CHA McDANIEL: Let me ask --well, and, you know,
--I have the utmost respect for Dr. Timur and FGCU.
~ .... ~eing argumentative with you, I can't answer your
•~llllllc\1~ ith regard to whether or not I would support the Naples
rator's operations with the assistance of FGCU for and until I
the details of such and for and until I know the details of the
program that FGCU, in fact, has, for and until I know whether or not
FGCU is interested in assisting with that funding.
So those questions cannot --I can't really answer your question
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with regard to that until I know that answer.
You wanted me to go first.
MR. GRANT: I think that Dr. Timur said what FGCU is
prepared to do, and it's clearly a work in process.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Sure. And I caught her a little
off guard by asking particulars about the program. I mean, I'
much interested in hearing about the program and would liv-ii.tD .
Commissioner Fiala was first. Actually, as soon a~Qrted
talking, everybody lit up, so Commissioner Fiala. ~ ~
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. I think pa¥T-,,~ 1s program,
different parts, one of them has been really su and you think
about the salsa in Immokalee. And I think tha.,,..,_.LJL'-1 kitchen that
they've built in Immokalee and the things t t ey've done there
seem to --I think that that could --~it e ht leadership, that
could go on to encourage other bu · n ....... '""'' along that same line. I
would break that off from the othe o es.
I don't see much progres as the accelerator goes on the
other end, but I do see thi::wQillre,.~IW!lrt-J rogress I think, or at least
inspiration that they're gi the Immokaleeans and maybe the chefs
of the world that might ome forward with this, but I don't think the
rest of the progr has been very efficient. And we've been looking
for it. We've~n nting to see some progress or some benefit to
this. ---~
I thin ·any we started it because we wanted to encourage
s e . I can't name one, and I'm trying. I can't name a
hat we've seen fledgling and coming in and growing its
There's really nothing.
And you go over and visit, and it's just a place where people can
come and go, but we're giving them a place that's free, but I don't see
progress being made as far as entrepreneurship.
So the only one I really would have to underline with positives
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is the Immokalee Accelerator.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you.
MR. CALLAHAN: I would just counter back to that; that could
certainly be the direction of the Board would be to direct different
operations of the two individual accelerators as well. ~
I believe Ell included in that white paper a list of partici
that have come throughout the life of the program. So I dir ou to
that and their score card, if you'd like a better idea of hQ ~ny folks
have actually utilized the Naples Accelerator. ~ -
But if that's the direction of the Board, we co ainly pursue
each of the entities individually. ~
COMMISSIONER FIALA: It's just one 1l,rson s opinion.
MR. CALLAHAN: Sure.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I ~ee , and now $600,000 a
year. We just keep investing in n ~",__ e, and I don't know that
the county has ever done anythin that. We've been pretty frugal
as far as wanting to invest in s e ing and seeing some kind of
return, and we get no ret
So that's why I'm sa maybe take an important part that
possibly has a --can gi ~ us some success and let the rest of them
die.
cDANIEL: And I would like to say, if I may,
· la, it's certainly not a zero return, but the amount of
ackluster, so there hasn't been a zero return.
~~ there have been multiple people who have come here
ho have started businesses in the accelerator and came
an ke to us before. But it's a --it's a little bit unfair to say it's a
zero return, but I agree with you.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well, salsa.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well --now, Immokalee has only
been open a year. So --and that's one of the reasons why I'd
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suggested a separation and a different type of operation with regard
to it.
Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I want to start off by thanking the Ell board of directors --~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right. ~
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: --and the volunteer~~t
have worked with Ell. We have a stellar board, and we
on that board that are tremendous assets in this com-y\,"\,.._..
people
. So I
don't want the record to reflect that there's any dis ..:RX'llll . ..,..__._ction or
anything with the efforts of the members of tiiT"la~ o directors of
Ell and folks that may have volunteered to ass t e oard of
directors. c', .-. ·
Secondly, I've been pretty clea, fr ~ery beginning, and
Mr. Grant certainly understands t · wanted to make sure that
Ell was sufficiently funded this e nd that I didn't feel any legal
or moral obligations to fund E g forward. Now, that's not a
reflection of my dissatis ith the efforts of the board of
directors. It's just that as teward of the taxpayer dollars, I wasn't
completely convinced t at t e Ell or the accelerator concept was
structured thew ·t should be.
And bac ruary 26th of this year when we brought this
en said that I didn't feel the obligation to fund
at Mr. Grant said when he indicated that the Ell board
up as well as the accelerators, and that they should be
se ed. And so I think that my goal today would be, I think, to
advise the Ell board and the accelerators that they will continue to be
funded for the balance of this year; that there should be a takeover of
that facility by the county. County staff should take that over, relieve
the board members of what I know has been a tremendous burden.
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It's required a tremendous amount of effort.
Dick Grant and I have probably spent 30 hours together in the
last six months, and I know he's spent a whole lot more time than
that. I know the board members have.
MR. GRANT: My partners tell me that I'm working for th~
coo~. ~
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And you're not that 1 paid
by the county. 0
And I think that Mr. Ochs and our economic de ~--~-~ent staff
can continue to work with FGCU, see what they ........ __,.., __ ...__ hen they say
they want to give assistance, they want to sup know that
FGCU has been the beneficiary of a tremendo a ount of charitable
giving from Collier County, and so --and ow that FGCU wants to
have more of a footprint here in Col ie , and so maybe this is
an opportunity to provide a mech · r that broader footprint here
in Collier County.
Regardless of what happ 'th the Naples Accelerator, if that
ultimately is shut down b ,_"~_,., we can't work something out with
FGCU, I agree that the Im kalee Accelerator needs more time to
mature, and I would SU9POrt some continued funding for that in our
nextbudgetcyc~
I also ju ~a.~t'o say again to the manager I have had some
concerns bou w we deal with economic development and the
costs that ...,.~-ve. I believe that we're spending somewhere north of
-,~-,vu,lf million dollars on economic development. That's
r Ell, and 100,000 for the Chamber, 100,000 for the
o est Florida group, and then of course, we have a fairly
sub tantial staff. And so I think the total staff is somewhere in that
ballpark, and we're in the budget cycle.
Now, I'm going to need to know how we're going to fully utilize
that staff and fully utilize the assets that we're putting to economic
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development and what the benefits will be.
So I agree with you --just to sum up. I know I've rambled here.
I agree that separating these accelerators will make some sense
making sure that the Immokalee Accelerator continues. I believe that
we should tum this over to our staff, work with the Ell board ove he
next couple of months to unwind their involvement, get this b
off of their shoulders, and then direct staff to work with FG
and see what we can come up with in the next couple of,,u.,..:.y
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Is that a motion ?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We have a --we'
making that motion after we hear the rest of u
Commissioner Taylor.
MR. GRANT: Commissioner, coul ~a e one statement?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: S re ~
MR. GRANT: I just asked t ~~ ut up on the screen here --
because I think it's important herellZ~as said, we may not have
achieved perfection, but I thin~u look at the figures up on this
chart, they're not bad. ~ Y
And I'll just focus on job creation. As I said earlier, they are
not all full-time e uival,nts. I'm not prepared right now to tell you
which ones are -time versus not, but 227 jobs created in what is
essentially a r e-a -a-half to four-year history of the Naples
Accelerat .. ---~ ne year in Immokalee. I included in the white
paper fi ur r the well-established 20-plus-year-old University of
___ o ·tla accelerators. At their four-year point they had hit just
any jobs as we have created.
ow, they may have been full-time jobs, and ours aren't, but my
poi tis, it's not that bad. Not perfect, not everything anybody would
want. But these figures are there, and the Clerk is probably going to
question some of them because she hasn't seen all the data, and she's
right. But we believe we have the data. So I just wanted to make that
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point.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I appreciate you making that point.
I would also like to say, you know, I have regularly said, similarly to
what Commissioner Saunders has said, the board of directors of Ell is
above reproach. It certainly has no reflection on the time and the
efforts that the Board has put into this organization. I want to
that statement very clear. My opinions as to what's, in fact
transpired to date have no reflection on that board. I've ,..__,_· ~
since I became a commissioner.
So, Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes. Th
really need to go over it, and I'll just put a
recognize some names that have be~n ·
prior to the accelerator, so I need t
..._..__,
as it may, I wouldn't have brought up except you brought it up,
Mr. Grant. ~
I would agree with --·11--k'.Jtf the accelerator as a small business.
It usually takes about five rs to figure out whether you're going to
stay in business or ou'~ not. It doesn't mean you --it doesn't mean
you don't grow, you've kind of got a feeling. You know, two
yo re starving. After two years, it kind of moves
ahead, an in a t five years you kind of make a decision whether
go forward.
~...,..~~L it's a wise decision right now to understand the
Ql>'l!!l'MIIIW°~~r is a very important part of our community, especially if
is willing and able to come in. It has been --as your
eco omic chair, I've had the opportunity to speak to Dr. Martin and
Dr. Timur on more than one occasion, and Dr. Martin refers to the
accelerator as an identity. It is an identity for this community. And
in order to facilitate FGCU coming here, and perhaps even being
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involved in a financial way with the accelerator, I think it's important
to maintain that identity.
So I would very much support the motion, because the other part
is who's going to manage it, and I do think that the county can do it
very well. I think you used the word "underutilized," and I like t a
lot, the underutilized economic development depart (sic) of o fZ>
government. I think they could come in and step in very ea on
this. 0
I do agree that Immokalee needs to be carved o give it
some more time. I would like to see staff analyze hat's going
on there. Frankly, I think that we need to sta _....... tanding that
people are not going to come to Immokalee. u ave to go out and
knock on some doors and start selling wh t.1';ttnere, because I think a
lot of people don't know that. • ~ ~
So I think there has to be that -~M d American, the salesman
with the suitcase, that goes to kno doors. It has to happen.
CHAIRMAN McDANI~ e you suggesting that I get my
suitcase out again? ~
COMMISSIONER LOR: I am, sir.
However, it's my derstanding from our clerk that the budget
of $600,000 wil t cover the end of the fiscal year for Ell; that they
will run out o on .
And e a have the elephant in the room to discuss, which is
e. And I do not agree with the condition put forward
~•·t.,., paper that if Ell goes away, that we assume, as a county,
ayers, their entire liability. I do not agree with that. So
:w 1 be something that we need to address now, not necessarily
ma e a decision, but I think we need to direct the County Manager in
this process over the summer months what we feel about that. He
will operate according to the majority of this commission board, and
it's a sizable amount. And this needs to be discussed, if not now, by
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the County Manager during the summer.
But I think we need to address how short they are going to be --
Ell is going to be in this budget, and so I'm looking to our Madam
Clerk to give us that information.
CLERK KINZEL: And at the current rate of spend on the ~
payroll, they will run out of your funds in about mid August. , ..... .n.,...,., if
there's staff reductions between now and then, it could ca
reduced staff a certain period, but based on what they're
right now, your budget that was to go through Septe ... ~., ...
run out mid August.
They're running about a thousand-plus p
they had originally budgeted, so ...
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And 1 as we understand the
we don't need to keep
..-.. T-ther issue that we have to
wind-down, there is a credit card.
adding cost to that credit card. T
address and give direction right n
So I think, you know --a ink Commissioner Solis has yet
to speak, and then depen · what the motion is, I think we need
to address the --assumin otion to move --over the summer, Ell
out of the accelerator a¢ move Collier County into the accelerator,
understanding t the pay period will be September, the year; is that
correct? Sep~be · the year --is the month, I'm sorry, end of
year? ..._~
CHA N McDANIEL: The end of September.
~.....,-~~SSIONER TAYLOR: End of September.
OCHS: Thirty September is the end of your fiscal cycle.
MMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. So we're talking six
wee s. So assuming that's the motion, then we need to --and it
passes, then I think we need to take a second motion in terms of this
liability issue. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: With that, Commissioner Solis.
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: First and foremost, I was part of the
Opportunity Naples study, and if anybody hasn't read that, I would
recommend that you read it. It is very clear from that study that
economic diversity is essential to the long-term health of Collier
County. Not the next five years, maybe not the next 10 years, bu
long-term health of the county relies upon diversifying our ec
This is a very important aspect of what we're here to do, in
~~00. 0
Secondly, I agree with everything that Commiss · Saunders
has very eloquently said, and the only things I wo fl is there are
businesses in both accelerators. I think we ha to very careful the
message that we send to those businesses toda b cause if I'm a
business, and I have my business plan tha ns through the end of the
year and suddenly I'm faced with ha_v i o ocate whatever it is, I
think we may be throwing the bah 1th the bathwater just by
sending the wrong message and b .--.u ..... JLLaing the wrong message to
others that may be interested i ing a business in Collier County
through the accelerator.
Third, from an econo i development standpoint, we have to be
very careful with the m sage that we send out in general to other
businesses that interested potentially in relocating to Collier
County. Aref~rea: committed to this ifwe continue this
discussio o!.... ~ther or not this is a good idea and how we're going
about it?
~..,_~ic ), I would just like to ask Commissioner Taylor, I
e county --this was something that a former board created.
--the idea of having a separate non-profit run it was something
that commissioners came up with, are you --in terms of the liability,
are you suggesting that somebody other than the county --I mean, are
you talking about --there's nobody else other than the board
members, and if that's what you're suggesting, we will never have
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anybody volunteer for any board again, and I would never
recommend to anyone --if they're volunteering their time and
somehow they're going to be saddled with liability because things
didn't work out the way, you know, we anticipated and we're wanting
to go in another direction, that is a catastrophic message, I think,
send, just period, because it will have a chilling effect on any ~
volunteering for anything in Collier County, if that's what~ ' e
saying, and maybe I'm misunderstanding. U
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Well, I think we ~e"1' a really
robust conversation about their liabilities and how ' e been
incurred, and then I think we make a decision a e are going to
pay for --not what I'm going to pay for or you e oing to pay; what
the taxpayer is going to pay for.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'~ a __ ...,, r as well.
COMMISSIONER TA YLO e make that decision, and
so I think we need to look at that a ........ -.. --nalyze what these liabilities
her we agree. It's very clearly
COMMISSIONE TAYLOR: But not necessarily, okay, not
necessarily to d ything, but I think we --I think it deserves the
light of day an not at this time, sir.
CO \,,,.ii1«1 NER SOLIS: I think that is a --
COM IONER TAYLOR: I never would have brought it --
~~.,,,~~SSIONER SOLIS: Unless what we're talking about is
opriety of some kind, which --the members of this board
ar my opinion, the pillars of our community, the pillars of the
busi ess community not only in Collier County, not only in Florida,
but some of them worldwide. I mean, if we're --if we're going to say
that somehow there was something inappropriate done that they
should be responsible for, we might as well just shut all of our
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advisory committees down, because I cannot imagine anyone would
ever want to get into that situation fortuitously.
That's all I have to say. Thank you. So I will support
Commissioner Saunders' motion.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I just want to comment o
something that Commissioner Solis has just said and someth~~g
Commissioner Taylor had said. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Do you want to let hi o irst, if I
may.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Just on thi ~1~ssue.
I agree 100 percent with what you just s · · n ~YVis of the issue
of liability, and by the mere virtue of the fact t t ere talking about
it casts a negative light on that board. I , we should not be up
here talking about this, because therf 's 1 · ation of any kind that
anything has been done improper! ~
And so I want to send the me a: e to the board members, if
there are expenses, credit card n't care what it is, we're going to
cover it. You were a vol~L~..,eif r oard, you worked a tremendous
number of hours for this c ty, and to send a message that we're
going to take a look at ~ur, you know, liabilities and everything and
determine whet or not we're going to pay them is just the wrong
message to s
So, Com · ioner Solis, I appreciate you saying what you did,
and I just ,...,,......,...._. ink we should even be having this conversation. I
~~illlit~ se board members are above reproach, and unless I'm
ething to the contrary, I don't want to even have the
,-....,J .. ion any further.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'm not saying anyone has done
anything wrong. I'm saying it's the taxpayers' money, and we need to
discuss the liabilities in an open meeting, that's all, and how these
liabilities occurred. That's it. That simple. No one is --no one is
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pointing and saying someone did something wrong.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Very good.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: It never would have been
brought up except it's in the white paper that says, if you decide to get
rid of Ell, we're not responsible for the liabilities that we incurre . I
mean, this is --this is proper --,, '\ '(>
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: That relates to grants. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Right. ,t 0
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Grants. ~ ~
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No, no. ,~
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Yes. Grant~ to the
construction of the Immokalee Accelerator, th~quipment there.
Most of that was purchased through --
CO MMIS SI ONER TAYLOR:.I .... _ ........ ~...,. e stays the same.
Immokalee stays the same.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: 11 II is not going to continue to
run Immokalee if it's not runn· Naples Accelerator, unless I'm
misunderstanding.
COMMISSIONER But that doesn't include the
grants from Immokalee/
MR. GRA · Could I help a minute?
COMM O R TAYLOR: Excuse me for a second. Excuse
· is involved not at all with Immokalee. This is with
ere. So I think we --it deserves an airing, that's all.
AN McDANIEL: And we're --I think we're okay
n-.Jlll"l!laa o , Richard.
ommissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. Two quick messages.
Number one, we have and always have had one of the most
outstanding boards like Dick Grant, for instance, but everybody that's
been on that --some people have passed through going on to other
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things, but that was the thing that gave us, you know, like the shot in
the arm. You couldn't get any better businesspeople than what we
had.
So I hope that wasn't in any way reflected or people feeling that
it was reflecting on the board of directors. It has nothing to do w
the board of directors. They have been great. '(>
My question is, we had always understood that this prr-.cv-was
going to try and be self-sustaining. That's what we wer o king
toward. But here in No. 4, it says, to clarify, projects ....-:fllllitl Ot
self-sustaining and --will not be self-sustaining e · the contract
current year. ~
And I wondered when we decided they w i e.~'t going to be
self-sustaining, and is that just for one ye~~ is that for future? I
don't really quite understand all of t~at ~-
MR. OCHS: Yeah. Commi · et me see if I can help. In
the original concept paper and the r orma when the prior board
previously authorized the ace a r program, there was a 10-year
pro forma that was <level '-.w,. ..... t basically showed significant
investment of public fun the early years and a diminishing
investment of public fujl<l s over time with more private income
supplanting that t there was never a time in that pro f orma where
there wasn't s e 1 al government support along with some
anticipate sta nd federal grant funding.
So, y y were never intended to be wholly self-sustaining,
but t e envisioned to create more private investment as they
dP Wl",...l"\'IIM,I and less local government investment.
AIRMAN McDANIEL: All right, Commissioner Saunders.
there.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Are you ready for a motion?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I am ready for a motion.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay. The motion is that
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staff will work with the Ell board to unwind the Ell board
involvement with the accelerators over the next several months and
that staff will also work with FGCU to determine what type of
relationship we can develop with FGCU for the ongoing operations
of the accelerators, and I think that --I think that covers it in term of
the motion. '(>
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And the --and that we .
maintain their payment until the end of the --,t 0
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Certainly, th i~ments will
continue. Now, I will tell you, just for future cons· on, if we get
to a point in the middle of August and we're 1 hort of funds to
continue the operations, I have no problem sup o ing a budget
amendment to get them through the fiscal ar as we continue to
discuss what we're going to do in o r get cycle. So I'll just
say that for the record. ~
But I think in terms of the m · , that the funding would
continue until it runs out this a ear, and if it runs out and we're
not finished with the co · operations, then we would
entertain --I would entert a budget amendment. That doesn't have
to be part of the motio
CHAIRM McDANIEL: And it's --and whether or not we
the otion or not, but I heard several people concur
rocesses of segregating Immokalee and having our
rt of that along with the --I don't want the CRA of
necessarily become the administrator of that
Ql>'l!!l'MIIIW°~~r. I would like the county to do that with financial support
i....,...,n-, from the community through --
CO MMIS SI ONER SAUNDERS: That's part of the motion, that
that consideration be explored with staff as well.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'll second that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All right. I'm not going to try to
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repeat that. It's a matter of record. You've got it. It's been moved
and seconded that we're going to do all that. Any other discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All in favor?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Aye.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Opposed sames·
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL:
Item #9A
19-75: ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING
.. -.-..,..--_,r"T""'.__.NT TO THE COLLIER COUNTY COMMUNITY
~_......PMENT PLAN -MOTION DIRECTING STAFF TO
PA CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN EXTENDING
MOKALEE CRA 30-YEARS, AND APPROVE THE
CA TALIMPROVEMENTPLANFORTHEBAYSHORE
GATEWAY TRIANGLE CRA FOR I I-YEARS -ADOPTED;
MOTION ENCOURAGING THE CONTINUED EXPLORATION
OF MOVING THE BA YSHORE GATEWAY CRA OFFICES TO
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GOVERNMENT COMPLEX -APPROVED (COMMISSIONER
FIALA DID NOT VOTE); UPDATE REGARDING 17-ACRE
PARCEL -MOTION TO HOLD ON TO PROPERTY UNTIL
AFTER CULTURAL ARTS ASSESSMENT HAS BEEN
COMPLETED -APPROVED ~
Item #14Bl
0
4.
RESOLUTION 2019-74: THE COMMUNITY ~
REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY BOARD (CRAB
RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING TO TH~
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS APPROVAL
AMENDMENT TO THE COLLIER CO T COMMUNITY
REDEVELOPMENT AREA PLAN_-__ .__ __ ,__ N DIRECTING
STAFF TO DEVELOP A CAPIT OVEMENT PLAN
EXTENDING THE IMMOKALE 30-YEARS, AND
APPROVE THE CAPITAL I ~~ VEMENT PLAN FOR THE
BAYSHORE GATEW GLE CRA FOR 11-YEARS -
ADOPTED; MOTION E URAGING THE CONTINUED
EXPLORATION OF 1'jl) NG THE BA YSHORE GATEWAY
CRA OFFICES GOVERNMENT COMPLEX -APPROVED
(COMMISSI E IALA DID NOT VOTE); UPDATE
REGARD .... ,___ -ACRE TRIANGLE PARCEL -MOTION TO
HOLD O ROPERTY UNTIL AFTER CULTURAL ARTS
ASS T IS COMPLETED -APPROVED 9 R. OCHS: Commissioners, we're now moving to a set of
companion items, those being Items 9 A and 14 B 1. These are both
continued from both your March 26th and your April 9th BCC
meetings. It's a recommendation first that the Community
Redevelopment Agency board adopt a resolution recommending that
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the County Commission approve an amendment to the community
redevelopment area plan, and then subsequently, if the CRAB
approves that, then we would ask the Board of County
Commissioners to do the same.
So I will turn it over to Mr. Callahan to catch us up on whe~e
were when we last left our heros. ~
MR. CALLAHAN: Good afternoon, Commissioners.~,.,.. the
record, Sean Callahan, executive director of Corporate ~~-LI
Operations.
So this item, as the County Manager has men · .......... -.""". we've seen
it twice at hearing, and we've seen it once at t sh'.op for a pretty
subsequent discussion.
At your last meeting, there was a qu · on that it was continued
until the County Attorney could opi e ..... ~"_.._ ... er or not the
Immokalee CRA could be extend · t ut extending the Bayshore
CRA.
So the County Attorney · e the following opinion. I'll try to
summarize it, and he ca .... ~"'111·---.. ...-11,6 me or add to it if they want. But the
entity of a CRA, actually, e established, continues until the local
government that create it terminates it. The time frame that we've
talked about wh it would 30 years and what we would be
extending is ~jall he use of TIF, tax incremental financing, for
the proj ec t~~re contained in the redevelopment plan.
So in .. .,,.,'LIL ... to finance redevelopment projects using the TIF, we
~---~t ........ s plan which can be amended any time that you see fit
,:,,-"I~ tute, and when amended, the TIF can be extended for up to
e s or any other period of time that you deem necessary, but it
can exist no more than 60 years in aggregate. So currently we're
working on a plan that was established in 2000 that runs through
2030.
So barring outside financing obligation --and this is important.
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So barring debt that's been incurred by the CRA, the Board can cease
using TIF at any time for these projects within the CRA. And you
could do it in one and not the other. So Bayshore and not
Immokalee, Immokalee and not Bayshore if you so choose to. And if
you do choose a different duration of TIF for the Bayshore plan - · t
was developed on the premise that we were going to extend ~t-t-~
years --we may need to slightly amend what's in that plan. ~
So, again, as I said, the original CRA redevelopme n that
we are updating right now was approved in 2000. It f;:~ .. e-:· .• :I"lus out, so
approximately 11 years remains. ~ ..
So today what we need you as the Board ~~provide
direction on the duration of that TIF for the Ba s ore/Gateway
Triangle, and then --in the question of I ka ee, as we've
mentioned previously, we're going t~ ing that plan in FY '20.
So perhaps what we should have -T....... the Bayshore plan we'll
do now and ask you what you wo ant that plan developed, what
term of TIF you would want ~f4 e Immokalee plan when we do it
in FY '20. ~ ~
But as it relates to th~yshore plan now, which is that Section
5 update that we discus~d, we've laid out a couple options and, of
course, these ar stomizable by your wishes, but Option 1 would to
be approve t ay ore plan update as it's written and extend the
TIF durati n O years. You could approve the Bayshore
redevelop ....... ..,~,.,_.,,. ... v lan update as it's written but direct staff to amend the
proJ ~.....,~~r another duration of TIF financing, including expiration
at: ... ~-~--~--ent 11 years. So we could operate with the new plan
up t but with the assumption that we would amend it to only
incl de the 11 years of TIF that remained in the current term of the
CRA, or you could reject our plan update and continue with the
contents of that 2000 plan.
Now, a couple of items for consideration. As I mentioned
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before, if the CRA --barring outside financing obligations, you as the
Board can end the TIF at any point in time. So even if you were to
extend it to the absolute maximum extent practical, for another 30
years, which is what we've developed the plan on, if you directed us
not to incur any further debt than the 4.3 million that's already '-.
outstanding, once that's paid off, you could end the TIF at a~~?'
in the time in the future.
So I'd throw that to your consideration, but we're 1 ~,1-, for
your direction on the duration of that Bayshore plan. ,r-,.,,...,
to amend it, we will. And then we're asking for B.----~-
to development of the Immokalee plan next y
like that TIF duration to be for so we could era
with the Board's wishes.
So I'll stop there and see if ther.e's stions, then we have a
couple other topics that we might ~T,. discuss.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: s a good place to stop. I'm all
lit up here. I'm thinking there estions, though, so don't go
away.
MR. CALLAHAN: hanging out, sir.
CHAIRMAN Mc 9A-IEL: Okay. Commissioner Fiala.
COMMISS ER FIALA: Yes. So as we're talking about this,
with the Bay e p n, that and the Triangle seem to be very, very,
very diffe ent t now, because the Triangle has had no benefits
really; it h een growing, it's not really --you know, it's
flouJL ~~P" ack and forth and so forth, but I think that, you know, a
lo+~hT k needs to be done; a lot of those little side streets, really,
no_~~--.-, has been done in that area, as we all well know. We're pretty
well aware of that.
But down in the Bayshore area, still, we need to replace all of
the streets, all of the --but before you can replace the street, you have
to first put in the stormwater management system, which is not
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installed at all yet. Then you get your street, and of course, you're
going to have to put in your sidewalks, because it's about time. It's
never had any sidewalks there.
Then you need to have streetlights, because it doesn't have much
of any streetlights there either. Now, that's just on the Bayshore a,
ri~. ~
And does it lop over to Thomasson? Some of it lops o to
Thomasson, right? ,t 0
MR. CALLAHAN: Yes, ma'am. ~~
COMMISSIONER FIALA: And, of course, T .-...,~-e had some
high-crime areas in there, too. Yes, they're t ·
that. Just when they started getting their f ooti en, of course, the
bottom dropped out of our economy, and thing moved forward.
But there have been efforts made to .se a ppen.
But in the other --the other a g U.S. 41 and Airport
Road --not Airport Road, Donna. goodness sake. Sorry.
CHAIRMAN McDANI rty-one.
COMMISSIONER ... ,..., .. ,,._,.. We really need to have that area
always improved and upg ed. I feel, personally, that the area has
long been overlooked. henever they're going to put in new stuff,
they don't put it · here, as you can see by what you've got in there,
especially in ar along U.S. 41 between that and Davis
Boulevard So ch improvement needs to be made, and I don't
er going to be made in 11 years, to be perfectly
OU.
I feel that it needs to have that option. And we can always
en fit's doing fine. But right now, no attention has been given to
that at all, and I feel that we need to improve that area. I think it
could be at some point in time --depending on what even happens
there. We don't even know if it's going to come alive because we
don't even know if they're actually going to take that CRA.
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And right now, of course, there's talk of wanting to improve the
area. But it's languished for an awfully long time, and nothing has
been done. The land hasn't even been cleaned up and made to look
nice and, yet, everybody's willing to throw it in and, you know,
they've done enough; they're not going to do anything more. An
that's --you know, they need the help, too. We can always ell{i~
Say, for instance, you're into the 15 years, and you're ~ning
to see the fruits of your labor, and it's beginning to com it's
going --and beginning to produce dollars for that wh ea, well,
you know, there's nothing wrong with that, becaus ever
produced any dollars. It's only cost us money t i point in time.
And I think that we need to --as a board, e eed to assist these
people in helping them with a leg up and out, hand --
up-stretched hand, not handing out. • ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: · ~~r
COMMISSIONER FIALA: n so --and I feel that we really
need to pay some attention to t. And in the end it's going to pay
for us because it's going T--~lmlllll"_._oney into our coffers as well.
CHAIRMAN McD~ L: Agreed.
Commissioner So ~.
COMMISS ER SOLIS: I just have a question. This says,
original C ev opment plan was approved in 2000 to expend
funds for O --funds for 30 years. We have to expend it in 30
years, or w oing to collect it in 30 years? I just want to make
~..._e ,.,._, and it.
KLATZKOW: No. The plan was structured for --on the
as -~, . ...,tion that you'd have 30 years. That doesn't mean you're going
to h ve 30 years. But when they structured the plan, the direction
was for 30 years.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: That for 30 years we'd be collecting
the TIF for the CRA?
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MR. KLATZKOW: Yes. It's just a planning tool.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay. Okay. That's all I have.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And in order to have the plan, you
have to delineate the projects to --
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: --to allow for the expendit,1-l{e
that TIF money on those projects. And if you don't have th ~n,
you don't have the projects --,t 0
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right. ~ ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: --and it's --do . ,~
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: No, I get it. ~--ink --you
know, obviously, there's a lot of work to be do e ooth CRAs, and
it needs to be. I'm not 100 percent clear w y the things that
Commissioner Fiala was referring t~ h ~•-t"\ ... een done. I mean,
there is money in the Bayshore C
MR. CALLAHAN: There is u ently, but I would remind you
that in the middle of --in the .-LL r 'U of the 19 years that it existed,
we did have a recession.
COMMISSIONER We had the recession, so it's less
than we thought. ✓
MR. CAL AN: We did incur debt on properties that we
purchased, t~if ich are coming back for redevelopment right
now; that ~',Y parcel and the 1 7 acres, which we'll discuss later
today. But e --when we were in the recession, because the TIF
~~~lt:,tllll~cing and generating funds, the majority of the CRA's
nt to debt service rather than these redevelopment projects
:w re within the original plan.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Right. Okay. That's all I had.
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Saunders.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Thank you. This is going to
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take a few minutes, so I apologize to the Board, but it's not 6 o'clock.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Troy, will you put a timer on him.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: First, I'm going to take the
contrary position, and this is not an attack on East Naples or any of
that. We all care about all of the county. This is a question in m
mind of proper bid --dealing properly with our budgets and ~"'~
properly with taxpayer dollars. ~
So let me give you a couple numbers: The Baysho
and correct me where I'm wrong, Mr. Manager --coi _,~-~""'
1,700 acres. If we extend this CRA for another 30
about 180, $188 million, that comes out to $1
to me that's a fairly shocking number.
If you take a look at the Immokalee , that's 18,000 acres,
and they're looking to collect 54 to ~5 1 and it's $3,000 per
acre. ~
And so I'm absolutely convin e ~hat we need to continue the
Immokalee CRA in terms of e · ng it for 30 years, and we can do
that based on the Count): i..,:,.,u,..,,..., ...... ~•L»y's opinion, because that's an area
that, quite frankly, is goin need a tremendous amount of work.
And this $3,000 per acr over the next 30 years, to me, is not a huge
number for wha eds to be done, but the $110,000 per acre in the
CRA for Ba): re, me, if we approve that, we're not being good
stewards o ta ¥er dollars.
The 0 1~w i..ing that I want to point out --and, Commissioner
~-.;-s -id this at the last meeting. These people are paying for
's the rub? Well, in reality, they're not. The reality is that
e a tax base. The tax base had $288 million in it in 2000
whe the CRA Bayshore was formed. That tax base now has risen to
almost $800 million.
So what happens is the property owners in that 1,700 acres,
they're paying into our General Fund whatever the millage rate is
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times 288 million, and it's going to stay that way until the CRA
comes to an end.
So the --and the increment above the $288 million, the currently
$788 million in tax base, as that increases, that increment stays in that
1,700 acres, and that's how you get to the $110,000 being spent~~
acre in that CRA. '0-
So what does that mean to everyone else in the count . hat
that means to everyone else in the county, you, me, eve y else
that's not in the CRA, we're supplementing the peopl · e CRA
with the Clerk's operation, the Sheriffs operation,
parks. Everything we do with our General Fu
General Fund of that $188 million.
Now, I have no problem with this co uing for 11 years, and I
have no problem considering in five. o · rs extending it for
another five years, but I think it w a disservice to the entire
county to say we're going to poten ·a spend $110,000 per acre over
the next 30 years, and we're g · deprive the General Fund of
revenue to fund all of th ,__,..,..,.,.. county operations for that long
period of time. $188 mil is just too much.
And so my positio is, let's keep the CRA alive as it is for the
next 11 years. I e need to revisit and extend that for another five or
six years at t im , I have no problem with that, but I don't want to
send a me sag at we're looking to increase this or permit this to
continue£ years at those costs.
~~~ ant to point out that our Planning Commission
~i!llii..n 'IIIID.:n ded on a 4-0 vote to extend the Immokalee CRA for 30
terms of funding but not to extend the Bayshore CRA.
I also want to point out that I had received a phone call from a
businessperson who owns property in the CRA, has been involved
with the CRA, and that person's recommendation is don't extend this,
keep the 11 years, and let's see what happens in five or six years if we
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need to do that then.
So my position is extend the Immokalee CRA for the 30 years,
because they're going to need it, keep the Bayshore CRA at 11 years,
and let's see where we are in five or six years from now.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. My turn is next anywa ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You are. They're both rea1 i{i!~}'
little sign, so I have little to say right now. So it's Commiss~r
Fiala. ~o
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I could see it here, ~~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I know.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Number on~ it's interesting.
I don't know where you get the figures, becaus ~~ the Triangle, that
whole triangle area, you don't have any e . You have mostly
people that are very, very low inCO ilJ e. know where your
figures come from, but nothing ha · mproved. The streets need
to be redone. The sewers need to e clone.
Let's face it, they can't do ntil they do the other. A lot of
money there that needs t ended; same within the Bayshore
area. No improvements H been made. We don't have sidewalks.
We don't have streets 1¥1 are up to date and current. No streetlights.
We have nothin ~
And I d l kn~ where you get the figures for the Triangle as
far as --I on' ow of anything that has any money value in it
whatsoeve u ,..--..... at area. And so you're depriving these people from
tryin~~~ e ahead. We could always stop at some point in time.
S · stance, a windfall hits them, and all of a sudden they've got
m e flowing in from someplace or another.
And oh, my goodness, like the City of Naples, for instance.
They've got all that money flowing in. That's great. And they can
just keep putting that money into it; whereas, they don't have any way
to get any money, especially in that triangle area.
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I don't know where they're supposed to be coming from. And
then we're going to deprive them giving them anything else. By the
time they just finish putting in all of the sewers and the streets and the
lighting, which they don't have either, and the sidewalks --we haven't
even built anything yet. ~
I just think it's almost like you've spoken to one person
probably has money invested. If you don't put any money i ·t, that
person will come out looking pretty good and will contr 0 rything
that goes on in that area, and I think that that is --tha ' indf all for
them but not for the rest of the area, and I think th......, __ ... _.__., s wrong, just
wrong, and it absolutely is. ~
You say $800 million. I'm not quite sure T ~ r dnve up and down
the streets --and I know the area pretty w I'm not sure where
$800 million worth of property valuf i . can't see it on the
street. Nothing here in the Triang .. ,.u,...u,. s worth anything. It's all
very low income, all very low inc ~ .. "¥"•
Eventually they hope to ut of that, but not if you tum
your back on them. The eason why you can't approve this for
the 30 years, just like you oing to do with the other area, and then
if some windfall comes long, they fix their roads, they fix their
sewers, they fix ir sidewalks, and they've put lighting in and so
forth, and ev in is done and the area begins to grow in
populatio or tever, well, you can always stop it. But to stop it,
cut it off, a en, oh, well, too bad. Oh, I guess I was wrong about
that e 1 . That's not good.
't see why you would pick out one rather than the other. I
nk that's awful.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Mr. Chairman, the numbers
that I used all came from Mr. Isackson as part of our budget process
showing a base valuation of $288 million in the year 2000 and a little
over --about 713,000 in 2018.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: 713 million.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I mean million. So that's
where the numbers come from. I'm not making anything up.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I just would like to see what it
includes, because if you travel around in the Triangle, there's no~
money there. And you know that yourself. You're not blind.
you travel down Bayshore. Yes, they're beginning to feel sc:~~ nice
impacts, but it's going to take years and years until they 1 ce the
streets to the sidewalks, put in all the stormwater syst , ·11 they
replace all of these safety things that they need in ea, and it's
going to cost everything, and they'll still not - c ou improve
that, you still don't see the change because that o sn't invite
businesses in.
I think that what you're doing i~ .... _..,,,,...,., g that entire area and
in the end --and if you got your w , in the end they can thank
you for stunting their growth. Yo c always change it later on, but
you can't change it in the begi · when you decide we're not going
to help them; they've got s, do it or too bad, and we need to be
there for them. We're the or everybody else. We need to be there
for them, too. ✓
CHAIRM McDANIEL: Yes, ma'am.
er aylor.
NERTA YLOR: You know, as commissioner of
,...., ...... " .... also my district includes the City of Naples, I kind of
~-.a., o the ground especially with this district because it was
the City of Naples when I was running in 2014, 2013.
nd I've just, sitting here, made a list of the changes that have
hap ened in this area since 2013. The Triangle's under contract. It's
a multimillion-dollar contract. It will --it looks like it's going to --
the only thing that's been delaying it is the --is the --what is it?
The --
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MR. CASALANGUIDA: Tower relocation.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: The cell tower, which looks like
it's going to --so it's going to close probably what, within --I've been
told hopefully the end of the summer?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Every time I put a date up I get s 1.
It's in the comment period now with FAA. Assuming that ge ~'(>
through by summertime, we should close in the fall. ~
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: In the fall. Okay. _...__.__,.,'s just
say for 2019. The former site of the Racetrac, which involved
in before I was elected, which has now been move .
redeveloping the comer of Shadowlawn and ___ """""'__ e former
site, which abuts residential, is now under cont c for something that
I can't talk about. c', .-.
The Naples Opera is in the are 'l t ~the --Linwood
A venue, which is the Triangle are ~~ j ewe 1. They are going to
expand. ~\)'
There's a new storage pl · he area of the Triangle, which
abuts 41. There's a new a..-.~ ..... '-rt--care hotel, which is across the
street on 41, which looks e Triangle. Mattamy Homes, how
many homes? 200 25 ~rand-new development yet to come online.
This is all since as elected.
The Bot 1 al ardens not only was existing, it is now
expanding T have now brought FGCU in there. They are having
greenhous is going to become --it is become --it has become
and ~~~ inue to become a world-renowned garden. They
he honor of becoming that stature, I believe, just recently.
e renovation of East Naples Park has just begun. Pickleball
pear headed it. It is on its way to becoming a very different park.
There is a business that I'm very familiar with that has been in
the Triangle part, which is Alternative Labs. They're looking to
expand. They're not going out of the business. They are looking to
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expand.
There's luxury car storage right next door to them. Very quiet.
No one knows about it. I know about it.
The New Harborside Animal Clinic is expanding, again, in the
Triangle. They are leaving their place of business right now wh1
again, in the Triangle. But they are moving down the road.
staying within the district.
We have the new Porsche dealership across from 4 ,
the comer of Airport and 41 (sic).
And, of course, we have the food truck park
brought Collier County to this area. ~
COMMISSIONER FIALA: The what? ► ,
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Food t .
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR:. T~~~~--r1 1 truck park. It has
brought Collier County to this are ~
The City of Naples is prett~ 11 built out. I mean, they're
doing what they can, but there' ome changes, but nothing like
it's been in the past. An ---.~-.;:..-ave discovered that they can walk
for five minutes or 10 mi s across the bridge and be in this area,
this CRA area, and the :y,are looking at properties.
I understan om some of the business owners there that they
are getting in ies ow about residential properties in the area. No
longer is i the r cousin of East Naples. I think it's going to be the
leader bee fall the new activity that is happening there. The
ave to keep supporting it by extending a CRA for
years, I don't think --I don't think it's there.
hink that we're all aware that with the demands of --with the
ne usinesses opening there and with the demands of the people
who live there and who will continue to move there, I think the
requirements to upgrade the infrastructure will continue, and it will
not be ignored.
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The CRA, to its credit, in 2002, I believe it was, or 2000,
decided they would invest in the area, and they bought all these lands,
and they got rid of a lot of squalor, and that's helped it, but the
economy is what's pushing this area forward. And the economy will
stay strong, and the investment of people is a reality that's happe ...... ..,.· l>->
today in the last five years. Most of what I spoke about, exce
Botanical Gardens and Alternative Labs, happened within t ~nu
five years. ~ 0
It's an area whose time has come, and I would a t~ith
Commissioner Saunders that we might want to ta ok at this in
another five years, but to say right now we ha to
another 30, I don't agree with.
And as far as Immokalee is concern , I tnink that's where we
need to maintain it the way it is. Tb_er een changes. There's a
lot more that can be done, and I th do need our support.
So thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANI ~mmissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER .... -T-.. ~• Yes. It sounds like maybe you
begrudge the fact that the e not getting --having --possibly
having --we don't kno ~ that they will --have any advancements at
all, because the).;.' struggled with all this all of these many years and
haven't been to et anyplace.
And e t s that you named, that's a wonderful thing.
Botanical n doesn't produce any dollars for us, doesn't produce
·~~o~ the county, but it gives people a place to go, something
that's a wonderful thing, and it's an asset to that area. But
e 't produce any dollars for us. Actually, it doesn't cost us
any ing either. It's self-sufficient.
Same with --same with the park. That's wonderful that the park
is there and that now we're going to have all of these pickleball
games and so forth. It doesn't produce any money for us. There's
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nothing there. It just gives a place on the map.
The area, as you well know, has rundown streets, it has
practically no sewers, it has no sidewalks, has no lighting, and --but
you're talking as though it were a glamorous place. There is so much
work to be done. You can always stop it later on. If, in fact, in 1
years you find, oh, my goodness, it is doing okay --although
else has done that, like in the City of Naples where you live.-...lP y
haven't stopped their CRAs at all. But --and that's fine ..-----.....,,.-andy.
But I'll tell you something, this area --your tho ~.,_,..:JT\,oday can
either make this area and, by the way, give us som ~---.,.,,.~-~ars to go into
the budget --right now that's --that triangle, -=--,a,-.-.,. ... ~g needs to be
repaired. Nothing is good because it needs to evamped entirely.
I don't know how we'll ever, ever, ever h enough money to redo
that whole Triangle, because right n~w. · ' esperate need of care.
Same with along Bayshore. a lot of stuff that needs to
be done. The whole Bayshore all e ay down to the end it needs --
the street need to be repaired , by the way, we can't do that
first, because you have t t e infrastructure. Once you've got
the infrastructure in, the s ts come in. Oh, by the way, make sure
to put sidewalks in. T~e's so much work to be done. And for some
reason people w already have theirs don't want to do anything to
help us, and ·nk at that's a shame. I'll leave it at that.
CHA McDANIEL: Well, I have a few thoughts,
_.,.,..,--iala.
~....,-~~SSIONER FIALA: Yes.
IRMAN McDANIEL: I want it to be known that I have
rd a person up here say that they have intentions of turning
thei back on the folks of Bayshore at all. It's certainly not my intent
to turn my back.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I know.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Please.
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Number 2, Commissioner Saunders brought up an extremely
valid point that when the CRA was established the taxable value was
somewhere around 200 million and now it's 700 million. Now,
maybe that's not as evident to some of us, but facts are facts, and
that's a $500 million increase in taxable value. ~
COMMISSIONER FIALA: How do we get those figur~
can see them? I've never been able to verify them.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I'm assuming --it was of our
board package.
MR. OCHS: Commissioner, those are all fi
from your Property Appraiser.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct.
MR. OCHS: He produces that tax r
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: w·t~~~~---
MR. OCHS: --taxable boun
COMMISSIONER FIALA: n cloes it include the area
surrounding that or just exactl 1 in the CRA?
MR. OCHS: Well, ,ri.v,~--1t countywide, but we can break it
down for geographical ar
CHAIRMAN Mc 9A-IEL: And we have to do it for the TIF.
Tax incrementa ding has a specific boundary of the CRA, and
when it was e li ed, it was 200 million. And within that
boundary, ·t's 700 million. So there's been a $500 million
£'~...,,.e establishment --
~~.,,,~~SSIONER FIALA: You know what, you'd have to
Qt'l'fflllkn,u hat.
AIRMAN McDANIEL: I understand. And, please, I'm
g you to accept that for today. But as the topic of discussion,
Commissioner Saunders --or Commissioner Solis brought up a point,
and it's something that I've been having discussions for quite some
time, and, Sean, you mentioned it, and maybe the answer to get there
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is --because I have said regularly --and I know there was a lot of
discussion around the $10 million worth of borrowings and property
acquisitions on the Triangle and Bayshore Drive, but the majority,
Commissioner Solis, of the TIF revenue that's been generated in the
Bayshore area has gone for --~
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Debt service. ,, '\ ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: --debt service hence --~
COMMISSIONER FIALA: What? 0
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Debt service to SUP.""""""'..,..__T..,e $10
million worth of debt. We still have four-some-0 ...,.,-.. ---~w--.... ,.. ............. ion, and our
Finance Committee has been very adept in re at debt
instrument and saving us money. But we sat n ere in this room
during the workshop, and the Chairman rice --Morris, Maurice?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR:. 1
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: ce suggested that we
contribute the 17 acres to the arts ......... ~, ........ I don't necessarily think is a
bad idea, but when CRAs wera.--t•t:llllil'T ed, the premise was to the name,
it's a Community Redev~--,'""-., .... ---"111111,, ... Agency. And from a prioritization
standpoint, sub surf ace in ructure, lighting, sidewalks, things
along those lines mayb~should be more of a priority for CRAs than
acquisition of bl· ted properties.
Who wo ha thunk that we would have had the economic
t prevailed in 2007 and going forward? No one.
None ofus a.an, with the longevity that we have, could have
~•tr -t --the dire straits that we were in with regard to that
~lk'YI-..~ downturn.
aving said all that, I think that there's no harm in letting things
be £ r now with regard to the Bayshore CRA, the thought process --
and I'm getting a cramp while I'm talking, so forgive me if I lose
focus.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: You might have to stand up.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: One of the things that I would like
to have a discussion about, leave the CRA alone for now. I would
like to have a discussion about a recreation and a little more say-so
on a local level with regard to the TIF funding, and maybe that would
allow for longevity, local control. ~
Commissioner Saunders, you established a pretty cool '(>
innovation zone, economic innovation zone in Golden Gate · with
a cap on the TIF revenues annually to be expended in th Q-ticular
area irrespective of the enhanced value of the propert~---_J;EL the like.
So I think it would be prudent for us at this st ~•,w,\ give
direction to staff. I mean, we can't extend the · e he CRA in
Immokalee until we have a plan, correct?
MR. CALLAHAN: That's correct. at we would be seeking
as part of your motion is how long 'fO like us to write that
plan for. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: . ~[ So with regard to that, I'd
like to give direction to <level plan on a 30-year extension of
the CRA's life in Immok ve the Bayshore CRA alone for now
with regard to its extensio ccept this plan. I think we can do this,
can we not, or will that ess --
MR. OCH . Yes, sir. You can accept it with the note that we
modify the c 1 1 p gram to correspond with the term of the TIF
that you s t f o CRA.
CHA N McDANIEL: And then bring it back on --and
ore relevant convers --
MIS SI ONER FIALA: Let me ask him a question --
AIRMAN McDANIEL: Sure.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: --from your question and his
question.
So we know that all of the streets need to be redone, and there is
no sewers and so forth, so you have to put all of that junk in there --I
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mean, all of that stuff in there.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Subsurface infrastructure.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay. And then, of course, there's
very little sidewalk in there. That needs to be done. And then
streetlights need to be done. There's a lot of, a lot of work all alo
Bayshore, all the way down to the very end, as well as in the '(>
Triangle, and these are all things that just mount up, and th•.-..-.r1 ot
something Mr. and Mrs. Taxpayer can actually afford to -__,_.,,-_nd the
CRA is there to try and get that job done. And I don'r4!11W'=-~
well, unless I'm wrong, those things need to be do t?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No. ~
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Oh, we don'tf eed to fix the
sewers?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: W.el
COMMISSIONER TAYLO
is not on septic. The area is on se
is the area that is very, very so
Park. There's a --
he area is on sewer and --
e . The only area that's on septic
rpendicular to the Bayshore
CHAIRMAN McD~ There is an area down there, right.
COMMISSIONE TAYLOR: An area down there. Everything
else is on sewer.
CHAI N cDANIEL: And she's talking about stormwater,
is in alignment, Commissioner Fiala and
_., .... --.-aylor, with regard to the priorities of the CRA. If we
in Bayshore alone for a minute, the disposition of the
iece is going to occur that's in excess of $5 million, that
ce. That will satisfy the debt that is currently existent on the
COMMISSIONER FIALA: But what happens if it doesn't go
through?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Someone else will buy it.
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COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We are obligated for that debt no
matter which way we go. If this transaction doesn't go, then someone
else is going to buy that piece of property. That debt's going to be
satisfied. The CRA has to stay in existence irrespective just beca e
of that debt, but sending a message about the prioritization of{~
necessities of life: Health, safety, and welfare, subsurface ~
infrastructures, sidewalks, lighting --0
COMMISSIONER FIALA: All throughout the ..,._L~gle.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: --all throughout ~~oper and
Bayshore proper. ~
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Right. ► ,
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: You ha~2. remember, I'm a Kelly
Roadguy. • Ct()
COMMISSIONER FIALA:
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: e ember back in the day I used
to keep my boat down there o~~
Marina, forgive me. ~
Shore Drive --Gulf Shore
COMMISSIONER A: Us, too.
CHAIRMAN Mc 9A-IEL: Yes. Bobby and I were --
COMMISS ER FIALA: Next door.
CHAI N cDANIEL: Her son and I were partners --
d re partners on a boat back in those days.
r..i!'l"l!lri ty is is --not to get too far off subject. I would like
1 · t ions on the borrowing capacity of CRAs. That may be
for us to limit purchasing going forward. I would be in
a f instructing staff to engage for the plan redo of Immokalee so
that we have a capital projects plan out there for the expenditure of
those TIF funds on a 30-year basis. I would also --and I would say
in that light that we would leave Bayshore alone for now and then
have a discussion in the future about realignment of the base for the
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CRA with regard to how we manage that TIF funding going forward,
and that's leaving the CRA alone, the Bayshore CRA alone as it is.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: In other words, not extending it?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: For now.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: What happens if they decide t --
if somehow the State decides that they're not going to exten ~1'i)i
CRAs anymore; then it's too late, right?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: If there is a --if there. ~
preemption, we'll be aware of it. It's not going to hal.JIICMlilU-.1. · this
session, number one; number two, and the thought.:":'!~~~~ss I want to
share with you is ifwe were to extend it toda~ ears and then
decide next year that we wanted to eliminate .\t ~e would be on the
cross of taking away a 30-year extension the replacement of
something that's more in line with ~h e hinking needs to be.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -~ ... ow, we've always worked as
a team for each and every part oft · ounty. We've worked for the
poor, we've worked for the he we've worked for the rich, and
we've always tried to do a.ii!!l!llm,~.,. ·ng, and for some reason people
begrudge trying to help B ore. Their own commissioner
begrudges that. We do 't want to help them, you know; we want to
help everything e. That is just such a shame to see that.
CHAI N cDANIEL: I would take exception to that --
CO ~~· NER FIALA: Okay.
CHA N McDANIEL: --because you've said that multiple
~~~~ started this whole conversation off by assuring you that
intention of turning my back on the folks at Bayshore. I
o intention whatsoever. What --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: The Triangle, too.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, the Triangle is a portion of
the Bayshore CRA, Commissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And there is no argument that
starting the CRA --and what year did it start, 2000?
MR. OCHS: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: The assessed valuations were
200 million. Now they're up to 700 million, not as much of it is ~
evidenced as, in fact, can be. But I have no intention of turni
back.
My intention is assisting with the prioritization of e CRA,
in fact, conducts business. There's no argument that rchase of
that 17 acres on Bayshore Drive for $5 million dis ~,....-..'-'-21
flophouses and substandard --~
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Twenty-sevei ,
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: --twent even --flophouses and
substandard housing; there's no arg m lll:P-..._ ... .., ........ ~. But from a capital
standpoint, that's $5 million wort e that this CRA's been
paying for out of this TIF and has o een putting in subsurface
infrastructure, stormwater, li,_,l,,l_.., ....... , sidewalks, and the like. It's been
servicing the debt on tha · hon acquisition, period, the end, and
now we're going to turn a d --and we are. And I don't think it's a
bad idea to contribute t~t to the arts folks to do some sort of a --
some sort of an -hat was that?
COMM O R TAYLOR: It's a --some kind of, let's say,
arts center
CHA N McDANIEL: Arts center, along those lines.
~--.,,~ that, I just want to make --for whoever's looking, I have
n · n of turning my back at all, whatsoever, and I'm not
su e ting that we do. I just want to send a message of a
re-p ioritization of how we're conducting business as our CRAs. And
that includes the Immokalee CRA as well. I have no intention --I
mean, you've heard me say regularly that I would rather the CRAs
not be in the business of buying land.
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So, with that, there's a whole bunch more lights since I started.
Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes. Ididthisfor2018to2019,
but if there's a consensus here in our --on our commission, I'd like
to --what I found was, is the property values in the CRA Baysho
area were rising at a rate greater than the City of Naples, wh~
thought was fascinating.
And I did present that data earlier, late last year, an ' like to
see if we could get an assessment of the property val
and the rate --the change from 2018 to 2019 or --~P,
the --I think it would almost be 2019 to 2020, e e of change,
because the property values are going up in thi a ea.
So I think the argument that it's, you ow, our poor cousin that
we're ignoring is --it flies in the fac f a ta.
But also, you know, I think it ... -.. .. -mportant to keep an eye on
all of these --on all of our innovat ... r"...,._,,ones. We have an industrial
innovation zone at 951 and D at we need to keep an eye on; is it
working, and to assess i ~~ that --that to leave things as they
are, that we do that. ~
But I do want to a ure you, Commissioner Fiala, because we
And I've s
this bod .
at just because I live in the City of Naples doesn't
·th the extension of the CRA there. I didn't.
ublicly my concern and my disagreement with it on
11 nit was brought to this body, unanimously every
.._. ... ,, ...... ._· · ner up here agreed to extend it, and that always troubled
it's really easy to say the haves are criticizing the have nots,
think there are --I think the have nots don't apply to this area
anymore. And I'm certainly not one to criticize or to sit up there and
say I have what I have and no one else can have it.
I've worked hard in this area. It's my district. I was working
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hard in this area even before I was elected, and I will continue to
work for the benefit of this area.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Solis.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: The only thing I have to say is I'm
sorry that you feel this way, Commissioner Fiala, because I, like
think everybody else on the Commission, isn't --has no intere
turning their back; in fact, is very interested in this area red oping.
But I don't know what else to say other than that. 0
But just to move forward, I'll go ahead and mak -~ia .. ...,tion that
we approve the plan leaving the Immokalee --or e~~ng, as it is,
extending the Immokalee CRA, right, as is pr s 1n the plan.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Hold on one econa. I don't think
we can extend Immokalee without giving ~![ irection to develop
theplan--• ~~
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: . ~~evelop the plan --I'm
sorry. Let me rephrase that. That irect staff, number one, to
develop a plan to extend the I alee CRA.
CHAIRMAN McD w-----.... Thirty years.
COMMISSIONER That we approve the plan as
presented with the exce tion that we direct staff to change the --
MR. OCH . Capital Improvement Program.
COMM O R SOLIS: --the Capital, right, Improvement
nded 30 years to the remaining --whatever's
rema1n1ng --,,.y-,-now, the 11 years with the understanding that, as
been ~_., .. -d, we can always come back in a number of years,
umber of years it is, and extend it.
the legislature chooses to take action on CRAs, then we will
that in advance, and we could take appropriate action if we
need to do an extension at that time .
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I will second the motion.
And just for clarification then, the Bayshore is going to stay at 11
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years; staff is going to make the amendments. The Immokalee CRA
will be extended for 30 years; staff will make the amendments and
come back to us on that. So I'll second that motion.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And just for point of clarification,
my understanding was it's direct staff to develop a plan for --ca 1
plan for Immokalee for the extension of that CRA upon the a
of that plan for 30 years.
MR. OCHS: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Correct.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And then leave -
the current capital program for Bayshore fort...._ ..... -
with the new plan that they've developed.
MR. OCHS: Correct. The redevelo ent plan in front of you
for Bayshore will reflect an 11-year.ca · ancing program.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: ~ ........ .,..,.. t's been moved and
seconded that we do that. Any fu cliscussion?
MR. MILLER: Mr. Cha· a , I have two registered speakers.
CHAIRMAN McD w-----.... Forgive me. It didn't show up on
my thing until just now. ·ke to have that at the beginning of this,
please. ✓
MR. MILL : Yes, sir. Patricia Young. She will be followed
by Alan. I'm a in rouble reading your last name, sir.
MR. C TZEN: Schantzen.
MR. ._,.___,~R: Schantzen.
IL)tllll~UNG: Thank you. Good afternoon.
r the disagreement or the mixed vibes, the confusion that
t ious CRAs give off. So I'm here today to --I support both the
okalee CRA and the Bayshore CRA, but I'm going to speak to
the Bayshore CRA, because that's what I'm most familiar with. I
don't live in the CRA. I live right next door in the Isles of Collier
Preserve, and we have kind of a different relationship with the CRA.
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We share --physically, we're intertwined. We share Thomasson
Road. We may have other egresses out on --directly onto Bayshore
and Bay Drive.
We have a street named Haiti Drive, which we've named after
the Haitian church on Bayshore Drive. We really embrace the ~
Bayshore area, and we've embraced the schools as well. 'Z>
We happen to back up onto the Avalon school, and thP"'"'ISl,,L""'S has
adopted the Avalon school. We dedicate time. We giv o ey to
the school. We give good food to the children. We t ~·--e kids on
field trips. And we even had one of our residents nded
supplies and built a quiet space in the school 1 w o are having
behavioral issues in the classroom so they wou n t nave to be sent to
the principal.
So we're really very much invo v CRA. We support the
businesses there, and we hope to ~ ~ w, but we've also seen the
problems there. .._. ~
And I am here from the I day to speak to that. I've
attended the CRA meeti ... A!r,._,...._.,.,.._1ve years now, and I've seen --the
board members and the c y staff there spent --they spend so
much time and money ~d effort on this. It's very, very impressive.
But I do th· that because of the facade of Bayshore Drive, we
w 's behind it. It's almost like a movie set. We've
tive stuff in the front and you go behind and there's
re you go behind, and there's extreme poverty.
4'~V_._ ... ink that the best way to measure that in this area is not
values but by the populations in the schools. There's two
o there. There's Avalon; they have 93 percent economically
nee y. And then there's Shadowlawn; 89 percent economically
needy.
And even the school staff at Avalon had an eyeopening
experience when they --before school started this year, all the staff
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went around to every kid's home in the Bayshore area and delivered a
backpack, and that's when the teachers found out why they had a
problem getting rid of hair lice in the school, because in many of the
homes that they visited, the mattresses were infested with lice. The
streets were flooded. ~
So the improvement in the infrastructure is highly neede , I
hope that you will continue to endorse this program for as 1 as
possible. ,t 0
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank you. ~~
MR. MILLER: Your next speaker is Al Sch ._,..,.... .. ...,.,_ He will be
followed by Maurice Gutierrez. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Maurice. ► , .
MR. SCHANTZEN: Good afternoo ~~mmissioners. Al
Schantzen, resident of Canal Street.. ~ ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: ~d. I was just moving
Maurice _over to the oth~r podi~ Sorry about that. I didn't
mean to interrupt you, sir. ;~~
MR. SCHANTZEN· .._, ........ ~ort the development plan and the
Immokalee plan, but I'm concerned about the CRA just going to
the 11-year shot, becauj€ we started getting on the back side street
and the underbe of this neighborhood, Kelly Road Bayshore, and
some positiv ng ave been going on with moving some of the
problem a eas , and my concern is stopping that progress and not
having the of the local entity taking care of the problems that
~~~ area.
e kind of like taking the punch bowl away when the party's
ting started. And I understand it's because of the debt service
and revious considerations that were made in buying the properties
that became available and the values of the properties, the fluctuating
values and paying debt on properties that don't have that value
anymore.
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You say that the area's taxable value has gone up so much, but
that's mostly because in the speculation area. I have a lot across from
me at the peak went for 610-, and it just sold for 114-. So, I mean, it
fluctuates because people come in and think they're going to get in on
the game, and then they back out at the last minute and leave us · h
the underbelly that's still there. '(>
So if you've got to constrain and give them rules on ho
spend the money, how to be more conservative and go t .-..-.. .A.a-s the
infrastructure, because we definitely, the side roads, nly seen a
token sample of what's going on and can be done, e rest of us
all suffer with roads that are even programme 1f e county --
they're not even programming it. But with the RTA, we can program
that in and take that burden on ourselves. c', .-.
And so that's the reason why I'~ 1 · ~e the long-term plan
go, so we can take on the infrast "" ......... """ ........ k , ormwater, fire protection
and stuff like that in our own com u ·ty, and fund it through the TIF
funds which, with proper gui ~would go to the right place
instead of servicing deb ~~~ -
Thank you.
CHAIRMAN Mc 9A-IEL: Thank you, sir.
MR. MILL : Your final speaker on this item is Maurice
Gutierrez.
MR.
CHA
RREZ: Good afternoon, Commissioner.
N McDANIEL: How'd you show up here? We just
ur name a few minutes ago.
GUTIERREZ: You know, timing is everything, sir.
AIRMAN McDANIEL: Isn't it not?
MR. GUTIERREZ: I just want to comment on the financial
impact that may or may not occur to the county because of the CRA.
The only two projects that we, quote, have ever invested in are the
two catalyst projects. Hopefully one's about to close, and the other
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one changed to benefit the community.
The individual infill lots that were purchased we didn't look to
make money on but, instead, eliminate what was known to be bad
elements . I know two of the commissioners were --personally
witnessed some of those bad-element activities. ~
But, for instance, on Van Buren years ago, the Sheriffs Qi
had two locations, known drug houses, where the officers a ~lly
fell through the floor of the units and had to be hospitali
Now, we bought them at the peak of the market _,....., e scraped
them, but the Sheriffs Office data shows that crim clropped
significantly because of our actions. ~
Those infill lots one day we'll sell after so ~e,court proceedings
are finished , but we haven't really investe onies that we can't get
returned on, as may be perceived b y. t · ........... ~r plan. We have
invested in the community so as t e o change it for the better,
remove some of the substandard h u · g, which slumlords were
allowing those properties to b for illegal activities.
We have purchased t ... ,.....,..._irection of stormwater, properties
that we were later told by water we could not use because they
weren't large en~oh. -p-i ose were sold to the abused women's
shelter.
But we'~ ee eally fiscally responsible. And I understand
when you ay · master plan you're looking at dollars and cents but,
again, whe go to a restaurant, you don't eat everything on a
ick through it, and you attempt to satisfy your needs,
end money for the sake of it.
we don't renew we may lose an opportunity, because if we
a downturn in the economy, which we've lived through, it's
going to impact us again.
Personally, I feel the direction of the CRA is positive, and in the
next 11 years we may achieve what we envisioned but, if anything
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happens and we can't, then we're kind of dropping the ball.
I'm hoping that with our annual workshops, you can control that,
contain it, and direct us, but I do not really see any major financial
purchases.
I'll end with this: The MSTU and the CRA has got a really~
symbiotic relationship, and the county saved millions when w e
made aware that Thomasson was going to get paved, and w ·
wait a minute, we're, with our own tax dollars going to ~lti
Thomasson. Spend the money somewhere else. ~ ~
So that type of awareness, I think, speaks for · and for the
advisory board and our members, and please
consideration.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Thank ~ , sir.
MR. GUTIERREZ: Thank yo . ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: t.~a te it.
MR. MILLER: That was yo al speaker, Mr. Chairman.
CHAIRMAN McDANI ank you, Troy.
And you do a reall):1!8,~~.,,,, , by the way. I didn't mean to be
chastising for not know in e --
that.
CO MMIS SI ONE TAYLOR: You did.
CHAIRM McDANIEL: Did I?
MR. MI R . ou're fine , sir.
CHA McDANIEL: I had too much coffee.
~~
said that, there's been a motion and a second. Is there
iscussion?
MISSIONER FIALA: Say the motion again, please.
AIRMAN McDANIEL: Oh, you're going to make me repeat
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: The court reporter's --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I can do it.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I was going to say, she could
actually read it back and --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well, I think I can do it. I'll
endeavor.
The motion was to direct staff to develop the capital plan f~
Immokalee on a premise of a 30-year extension of the Immo
CRA and to adopt the capital plan for Bayshore existent to --to
adopt the capital plan for Bayshore to coincide with its e t
11-year existence. Somebody say yes. ~,
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I think that's .. '~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That's prett~ nat I
remember it to be. ~ ,
1 MR. OCHS: Call it a redevelopmen an update , for lack of a
better term. Part of it is a capital --the component.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I mean, it's all part of
that --the plan that's been develo --the capital portion's going
to be to coincide with the 11-rm.
It's been moved an ...,...,..,.........a ed, and no more lights. All in favor?
COMMISSIONER IS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN Mcl)A. IEL: Aye.
ER TAYLOR: Aye.
R SAUNDERS: Aye.
McDANIEL: Opposed --
IONER FIALA: Aye.
AN McDANIEL: --same sign, same sounds.
MISSIONER FIALA: Loud and clear.
AIRMAN McDANIEL: So moved; 4-1.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'm sorry that this is the only time
we've ever turned anybody down that's trying to help their
community, but apparently that's the mode of the day.
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, we have a couple more components
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of this presentation, if we could finish those, please. We need a
couple more directions from the Board.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes, I'm still reeling for a minute,
but go ahead. I'm going to ask my colleagues, it's difficult sometimes
when you're in the minority --and for those of you who are coun
noses around here, I'm regularly in the minority for a while ~~
maintain our personal positions after the vote's been done.
That was an unfair statement to make, especially £ o I feel.
I know it's how you feel, but it's an unfair global stat to make.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Well, I'll tell yo ,~_.__., s all I can
see. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I understand.► ,
So please, Sean.
MR. CALLAHAN: Commissi~n e were two other topics
that we were asked to bring up ou~-.--orkshop to seek board
direction on, one of which was the o · c of CRA office space.
Currently, the CRA exists do .~_._,...,..I.)< Bayshore. They're on a lease that
we're going to extend thr \.11111, ..... .._....e end of July currently, but we did
hear from some members he Board at that workshop that we
should be looking to m~e hose operations on campus.
So just tor 'nd you of where we're at, on March 12th at your
meeting, we Tarr1"""'in d a proposed lease for space at Pineland
ic · where the commercial space that the CRA office
ve to, because of noncompliance and
ent with the contractor that was building out that space
rrent evaluation of the market, there are several different
commercial properties that we could potentially move the CRA office
space into. Per your direction, we've worked with facilities. We're
currently in the process of identifying possibilities for an on-campus
move. There's limited space available, but we have identified some
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space that could work, given your direction.
And then I would just point out that at their April advisory board
meeting, the advisory board did make a motion that they would
support locating the CRA offices off of government center campus;
that the long-term plan was to try and locate the office space for
CRA on county-owned 17-acre site if that were to be develoJ?S\~
that to be developed where it was a possibility. ~
So we are looking for Board direction on how we s--~,.,,...
proceed, whether we should look for space off site in
property that we could move them or proceed wit ~•...,__.L.L
campus. So I don't know if the Board was so · Ii to discuss that
and provide some direction. It would be helpfi t us as staff.
Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR:.I pport moving them
here for a couple of reasons: I thi uld be easy to facilitate the
CRA monthly meetings in this roo . think it --it could hold up to,
what, 200 people in here, 250 eeded to be televised, it could
be. So I would support -.,. ... .DlllillldiJ"'-it's --the CRA is --I don't know
that this government buil 's in the CRA, but across the street is the
CRA, so it just makes ~at good sense. It's also a savings, I think. It
will be a saving the long run.
So give cal aspect I would support moving them here.
I'd like to ak motion that we encourage the continued exploration
--the Bayshore/Gateway CRA on campus.
AN McDANIEL: Second.
MISSIONER SOLIS: I just have one question. The
ion to the campus, I mean, is there a contemplation that the
would somehow pay rent or anything or --no rent?
MR. OCHS: No rent.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Okay.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No.
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COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Best-case scenario for the CRA, I
think.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: The best all the way around.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: That's even better.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes.
So it's been moved and seconded that we continue the p
space on campus. Any other discussion?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Yes. Where is their o ·.r----~
be?
MR. OCHS: Commissioner, we don't know We're
looking at a couple of options. One is movinMl"'llll~~~eople around in
this building to try to accommodate the CRA s f in this
administrative building. That's probably most probable option at
this point. And it may not happen, ~o overnight, but it will
happen over a period of months. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: other discussion?
(No response.) ~TT .. .,..~
CHAIRMAN McD w-........ All in favor?
COMMISSIONER IS: Aye.
COMMISSIONE FI LA: (No response.)
CHAIRM McDANIEL: Aye.
COMM O R TAYLOR: Aye.
CO I NER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHA N McDANIEL: Opposed?
~~.,,,~~SSIONER FIALA: No opinion.
IRMAN McDANIEL: No vote.
R. CALLAHAN: And then the last topic.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Four with an abstention.
MR. OCHS: Yes, sir.
MR. CALLAHAN: Yes, sir.
The last topic that we wanted to discuss today was the future use
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of the 17-acre site. Just to bring you back, at the conclusion in June
2018, we terminated negotiations with Arno on a mixed development
site. The BCC directed the CRA to wait until after the
redevelopment plan update to further consider any options for use of
that property. ~
So just very briefly take you through the community su1:\tJ at
we conducted at the end of last year. There are multiple pa~ who
are still interested in development. We're seeking direc · n
moving forward now that that redevelopment plan haillR (~ adopted.
So just briefly the survey results: Over 800 r ~=~:::es from
folks in this community. If you see Question --~...... right here, the
two biggest priorities, and then there's a jumpo t t e rest of it, and
the lower the better in this scoring syste
But where --the culture center .10 that 1 7 acres, and then
a connection to Sugden Park, whi een talked about for years.
Question 2 will give you a little bi o · nsight into what these folks
that responded to this survey -_...,, .... ..., ... ~er a cultural center.
CHAIRMAN McD w-----.... Go back to that first one again,
because I was in a proces changing.
MR. CALLAHA T is one?
CHAIRM McDANIEL: No, no, no. That one right there.
tio , how many people were surveyed?
HAN: There were over 800 responses.
N McDANIEL: And these are the percentages of
~~~ ponded?
CALLAHAN: These are the mean averages for how
pe 1 ranked them one through --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So 2.14 for the cultural arts, which
is what?
MR. CALLAHAN: So that means that that was the response
that the majority of people recommended as the highest.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That seems odd.
MR. CALLAHAN: Number l's the highest. So if you said--
MR. OCHS: No.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That's a nice thing to know,
because I'm over here looking at this and going --
MR. CALLAHAN: Commissioners, I'm sorry. If you ~~ei
1
these seven priorities and rank them 1 through 7, that's the ~
average --,t 0
(Simultaneous speakers speaking.) ~~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Maybe you coul ~'"" ... ., ........ em in linear
line with the prioritized Number 1 being the c
MR. CALLAHAN: We could probably k t is --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That w'""-,..., help, Billy.
Next? All right. Now I'm read.v . n go to the next slide.
I'm sorry. ~
MR. CALLAHAN: And the I st did provide a little bit more
insight into the opinion of the o s that were in the CRA, whether
it was more important to ,,,,,.,-11-..._.___, a certain vision and use to the
property or to achieve a p · return, and you can see that vision and
use was ranked much h~her in this one. You know, I can't speak to
why we designe e survey the way that we did, but the higher the
be~ter. So th~jm nity actually ranked vision and use higher than
pnce. ---~
And t ow are you willing to allow the CRA to provide
fund i entives to ensure preferred use, they had a couple of
d · · ncentive options that are available to the CRA for
..I..Lll-. ..1. . ...,..1.ng.
To summarize what came out of the survey where we asked
these folks what they want, some of the takeaways were park
connectivity. Obviously, you saw that connection to Sugden Park as
a very high priority, which include pathways, shared space and use,
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so open space, some type of boundary expansion to maybe
encompass Sugden Park into the CRA was another focus of folks that
responded to that survey; the arts performance theater; artist gallery,
artist space was something that came up.
Nonresidential housing; it was not a high priority to put hou ·
or anything on this site. '(>
Parking, and then trail site connectivity. If you look at ere
the 17 acres is located, it's that brown parcel right above
Drive. Then you could see that --with Sugden Park
Community Park being very close as well as the Bru-...., ......... -
you could see some type of trail connectivity "T"lalli:.:'" ...
developing in the future.
So just to give you an idea, the Flori Sta ute redevelopment
statutes, one section --163, Section ;, 1 ways that CRAs can
dispose of land that they own. C not required to achieve a
fair market price to dispose of Ian t they own should it be
beneficial to community rede ,aia.,,....-.-..... ent or community use. If the
Board were so inclined t,--,.-u:-.,cr~~ an off er for proposal moving
forward, whether it be so t ing that has been outlined already or
something new that bee mes, there's an advertisement period that
comes in by wh · ou have to consider any other off er that comes
in, but it doe ~~ h e to be a competitive procurement process by
that. ......_"
So jus ake you back to our workshop on April 2nd, the CRA
advi o d recommended reserving the property for a performing
with CAP A and dedicating the remainder to green space.
provide you an update since then, we've had a couple of
dif£ rent discussions with our Parks Department on how we may be
able to come up with some combination of turning that site into a
park for development, whether that be in kind of purchasing or
options on the land, but those ideas need a little bit of refinement to
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where we could reserve a space for a performing arts center for
CAP A to raise the funds, and the rest of it to become parks land,
helping to achieve that open-space concept.
We had the FGCU proposal that came before you back in I
believe it was one of your February hearings, and then we've go~
multiple private companies that would be interested in a prol?~~ .
So because we can't make formal motions during work~s, we
wanted to bring this back to you for formal direction no t the
redevelopment plan has been updated on how to proc
would be the most appropriate way to proceed, w ....... •..,:n.._'!'-~·it be working
to develop an idea as the advisory board outli_, ____ o oing to a
competitive process. That's what we're lookin E irection today.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commi ner Solis.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: T1le for reserving the
property for a performing arts cen CAP A, what does that
mean? Does that mean a donation fie property, or will they be
purchasing the property? ~
MR. OCHS: I thi .-.r..,liil'a ptions are all on the table. This
was --Commissioner Sau rs had had a conversation during the
workshop with Mr. Gu~rrez and the rest of the board, and there was,
seemed like, so consensus to adopt the advisory board's
recommenda · s t imit the use of the property to a performing arts
center if t e c d demonstrate the financial wherewithal to raise the
funds to co ct the proposed facility and to keep the rest of the
.___,.._e primarily open space with some connecting trails into
egional Park.
t, again, because, as Sean said, you can't take formal action, if
that's still what you want to do, we just need to get that formal
direction or some other alternative before we can move forward.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: County Manager Ochs, I thought
that the CRA advisory board took that action the night of the
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workshop.
MR. OCHS: Yeah. It doesn't matter. I mean, they're just an
advisory board.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: In their meeting. I understood it
was at their meeting. I wasn't there, but I understood that's whe~
that--~
MR. OCHS: Yes. I think that's what Sean is reflectin•-csre.
hen
the CRA board.
Commissioner Saunders. Excuse m ~'!E-sorry. Commissioner
Solis. I didn't mean to cut you off. • ~ ~
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: ·u)rfrying to follow up. And I
wasn't at the CRA workshop, unfo ately.
So --and then the donati'"'_._ ...... __, he balance of the property to
parks and rec. There's d -r~ 1s property, right? There's debt
service?
MR. CALLAHA at's correct.
MR. OCH . Yes. And Parks, you know, again, could either
potentially b e d from the CRA or swap property that parks
has in sin e lo ·n the CRA and --you know, dollar for dollar.
So if oard's interested in learning more about the feasibility
of th ~llllr" uld certainly bring that back to the Board, but there
some return on the CRA investment there at least.
MMISSIONER TAYLOR: And what is --what was --
bee use, again, I think you were there. Sean, what was the time
frame that we had for CAP A? Was a time frame discussed in terms
of not extending this for years? But was that discussed at all or --
you know, in terms of being able to raise the money. I'm surprised
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they haven't got money but, apparently, they haven't, given the Arno
project where they said they were going to raise money and then the
Arno project fell through. So where are we with that?
MR. CALLAHAN: We actually have a meeting set with CAP A
to discuss that tomorrow. At the CRA advisory board meeting t
did not give a firm timeline for raising that money. ,, '\ '(>
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner --~
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Go ahead. 0
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Sau~-,
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I've forgot w much was
paid for for that land. Do you --~
MR. CALLAHAN: It was $5.3 million i~o;al. So there's a
bigger parcel that comprises the majority ~~e 17 acres that was
paid 4.6 million for in 2008, and theJl ~s another piece below
that sits below it above Jeepers th~ urchased for about 750-.
So it was 5.3 total. ... \Ji
COMMISSIONER SA S: I think the Manager's
statement concerning the,.......,,..~-nd the joint meeting was accurate. I
don't have any issues at a · th exploring having CAP A develop
some kind of a Perf o~g Arts Center there and reserving the rest of
it for open spac ut I agree with --Commissioner Solis, I believe,
was indicatin at e need to have some sort of a time frame so we
know wha 's g · on. We can't just say go out raise some money
and come "' ... .,.,..,.,, henever and tell us what you've got.
go that route, I would suggest that we ask CAP A to
least quarterly or at least every six months give us some
s of where they are so that at the end of the next 12 months we
can ake a decision on whether to continue with that or not, but it
can't be just open ended.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Maybe if the agreement is --I'm
sorry. I'm sorry.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No, it's okay. We're just all
supposed to be hitting our lights.
Commissioner Solis.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Well --and I've expressed this
concern before, is while I understand we did have a recession in
middle of that, the 19 years that this has been in existence so 414
seems to me that there is something about this aspect of wh~e're
trying to do with this property that doesn't work or else uld
have already developed it. I mean, we would have re -J_.___.
RFP --the multiple RFPs from developers that ha IIHIU--"Wii"" oped this
kind of property. ~
So, I mean, I'm just --I agree with Commf ~r~~er Saunders and
it's kind of back to where I was the first ti we talked about this.
Something needs to happen, and it Sf ev ... u "W'...,, e that in some respects
we're trying to fit a round in a rou does that work? A
square peg in a round hole.
CHAIRMAN McDANI ·ther way it doesn't work.
COMMISSIONER ~ ... It's late in the day.
And I'm just concern bout, you know, ifwe just keep waiting
for CAP A, where are w going with this thing? It doesn't seem to be
going anywhere nd I'd just like to see something happen.
CHAI N cDANIEL: Commissioner Taylor.
CO NERTA YLOR: And I'll remind my colleagues
...... ._rr, off er on the property for the entire property, and
~llliiiit"' ce reserved on that property for a cultural arts center.
n.A'T~ .. ~ ... ..11111""' from Rebecca Maddox.
ow, the question is, we own the property. There's a legal
que tion about process, whether we need to go out for an RFP
because we own the property or whether we can accept offers. I don't
know. You know, I'm very --we need legal guidance on that.
MR. KLATZKOW: You're always best off going out to the
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public on an RFP. You'll get better responses that way to make a
decision on.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. And I understand that the
discussion was for with --I think with CAP A, I think the thought
was --and, again, I wasn't there, but I think they're back to their
performance hall which would rival Artis in terms of the amo
space they need.
So I think we kind of have to not only talk to them
time frame about what their plans are in terms of the ~~~~er of seats
they're planning, you know, the size of the facilitY. ' e thinking
building, because that will determine if this is we go. That
will determine how much land is left over in tH t. So that's all I have
to say on that.
--~· .... s er Saunders. CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: C~
COMMISSIONER SAUND.AC.J _ ... ..,,. ay. Thank you,
Mr. Chairman.
To address Commissione o ·s• question concerning why hasn't
anything happened on th· , ....,.LI. .... we were trying to put way too
much development onto t ite. Out of the 17 acres I think we have,
what, about 10 acres of plands that's developable. And so we were
trying to get a p rming arts facility on there along with some
residential a on ith commercial development, and it just wasn't
enough sp ce o all of that.
And s eems to me that we either go with a performing arts
~•dW'"'pen space or we scratch the idea of a performing arts
a: go with some other type of mixed-use development. And
.L .... JL¥--we were all kind of leaning towards going with the performing
arts.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Kind of my point.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: By my understanding --my
recollection is is that there was an entity that is doing some analysis
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to determine what are the real needs for arts facilities and services in
the county, that there was going to be some sort of an inventory taken
and an analysis done; is that correct?
MR. CALLAHAN: It was actually approved by the --the
contract was approved by the TDC yesterday, and it will be com1
to you at, I believe, your May 14th meeting. '(>
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: And what is the --,,__,..long
is that process going to take? 0
MR. CALLAHAN: Six to nine months is what utlined in
their proposals.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay.
can make a rational decision on moving f orwa a performing
arts facility until we know what the result e of that analysis, but in
the meantime we could direct CAP 1-t k CAP A to go ahead
and see what they can do to raise nd give them nine months
or a year to come back to us.
CHAIRMAN McDANI ~mmissioner Fiala.
COMMISSIONER .... .,.... .. "lfllid'. Yes. It was my understanding that
CAP A kind of was told to nd down because another group was
coming in and wanted t build their center instead, and then just a
few month ago, be three, four months ago at the most, they
opened it up n a: tl said, well, CAPA can --is this correct,
Maurice? CA was now allowed to come in and actually bid on it
after all, b ~~u -until that point in time they were told to stand down.
~....,-~~SSIONER TAYLOR: Who told you that?
MISSIONER FIALA: Yeah. And so now they're coming
ar~, ...... , and they really want to be a part of this, but nobody's sure of
wha 's happening because there's another group that's also trying to
take the land for themselves, and then there's this group, the CAPA
group, who wants to build their performing arts center, and so I think
you have to have a conclusion as to what you're doing.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Agreed.
That's okay. Commissioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No. I needed to ask
Commissioner Fiala, who told them to stand down?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: You'd have to ask them.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay, okay. I know that
had a PR person that decided not to work with them anymo ,
don't --knew that anybody actually told them not to sta~-r---~a,c,
So I'm very surprised. I will ask Mr. Draget.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I have a thought· ~ ... ,....
mean, I expressed a concern two years ago w_--.. ____ t board chose to
put the 17 acres up for sale and the multitude o s pulations that were
put upon the RFP or RFI or however it w I expressed concerns
about that because of the limitations. t f ught in with potential
purchasers and the utilization oft rty to its highest and best
use. I expressed those concerns a asically, it came to fruition,
Commissioner Solis, with re the capacity to dispose of it. We
ended up with two, and t couldn't get there.
I would really think, ause we're --this is certainly a moving
target --our CRA advis ry oard has made a recommendation to
negotiate with C A; I think we should.
Staff ha d cussions with Parks and Rec in combinations of
ved land, exchange, something else; I think we
e like FGCU. They've proposed a research center
t Qdl"i!!lilb."I some sort of a private development; I think we should.
nd multiple private companies could potentially be interested
in a straight-up acquisition; I think we should.
And I think there's more information coming, Commissioner
Saunders. I'd forgotten about that arts study that was commissioned
and coming forward. We're not in a huge rush to dispose of this
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piece of property. I think we should explore all of these alternatives
and in the latter part of this year or early next, certainly, before our
next cycle, come to a term.
I think, Commissioner Solis, I agree with you that --and,
Commissioner Fiala, you can't leave it open ended forever becau
goes on forever, but I think these are all viable opportunities ~t
community that have a benefit for the community. ~
So my suggestion would be to explore all of these .v--.. -.;t,,__en, at
an appropriate time after we come back from our su reak when
we know better when the art study's, in fact, goin
consummated, further discussions with CAP ~:... ..... ,
performing arts companies may have expresse a interest, we can
start to solidify a time frame to bring this ~~oint and make a
decision. ~ ~
How's that for a non-motion? • ~~,
COMMISSIONER TAYLO · o, in the words of the CRA
advisory board chairman who
Ms. Maddox at the meet·
continue to develop it, bu
you're saying? ✓
hen this was presented by
GCU , we think this is a great idea,
're open for all offers. Is that what
CHAIRM McDANIEL: Basically. I mean, I think all of
these things - a d 1 ou would like me to formulate --or form that
into a mot· on t we should explore all these things and bring it back
in Septem ctober when we come back from our summer break
~.._..t ... iew information has, in fact, arisen.
MISSIONER TAYLOR: I like the idea of a shorter time
r e han a year. I'm concerned about --only because I --you
kno , whether it's true or not, a lot of people --there are a lot of
people out there that are a lot wiser than I am in the financial world.
But it does appear that we have a downturn that's facing us. And so I
kind of like the idea of making some decision over this property
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before we're doing that.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: October? October is a nice time.
We're back from our summer break. We got through our budget.
We're moving into the November, December holiday season. But we
could at least get an update on it in October at our October meet!
and then --because we can't really --you know, if CAP A wer ~
come to us, we don't know what type of facility that they're ......,,,.,.,ning
on building there. We don't know what the ancillary re ~ 11 that's
transpired from a facility that potentially is larger tha~J•-Artis is,
what those revenues mean coming to the commun · e really can't
make a prudent decision until we get more de · o at, I think,
personally.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Rig ht',.-
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: S~j ~us explore all these
and review it in October? X,. ~
Another cramp. .~
MR. OCHS: Question, s · hen you say "review all these and
come back in September ' u suggesting we try to put some kind
of RFP back out on the st to entertain any and all offers for use?
We've done that twice ~eady now and haven't got much --
CHAIRM McDANIEL: We haven't done that twice. We
as nee while I was here, and that RFP was not
"entertain all offers." It was any and all offers as long as you
met these lar circumstances. And so any and all offers means
any --,~~ fers.
think --I mean, all of these things, staff has had
,__._,J..,ions with Parks and Rec, so we should continue those and
soli ify those. We've had discussions with FGCU, and we should
continue those and bring them to more --to more of a point with
regard to specificity as to what FGCU wants to do.
And the County Attorney's already expressed, you know, the
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safest way to go is with an RFP. Allow it to be with no constraints.
Put the property up for sale.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Let me just ask what you said. So
you were just talking about FGCU. What about the CRA?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It, too. CRA's recommending ~
that--~
COMMISSIONER FIALA: But you only mentioned U, so
1--0
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No, ma'am. I ment.a,c>'· ,_v,in. all four,
specifically. I did not mean to exclude the CRA's ry board
exploration of the agreement with CAP A --~
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So 1--► ,
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: --by no eans.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR:.I' . So may I help? So
maybe what you're asking for is a · ew of the potential uses of
this property, including the CRA a ory board's recommendation,
and the other issues which is t.,.,.,_...__, ks department or FGCU, and
then look at that and if w ~·M · --and by that time we're going to
have some information fr our consultant, hopefully, and so then
we can go forward wit~eciding whether we want to go out for an
RFP or not?
COMM
be done?
R SOLIS: When is the culture study going to
COM\~Mc1 IONER TAYLOR: So it's June to probably
IRMAN McDANIEL: Six to nine months.
R. CALLAHAN: So it would be approved, likely, at your
nex board meeting of May 14th.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: What?
MR. CALLAHAN: It will --the contract will be awarded --
CO MMIS SI ONER SOLIS: Oh, the contract.
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MR. CALLAHAN: --May 14th. So they'll likely start the
process somewhat soon after that, so you're looking at early next
year.
MR. OCHS: It will be this time next year before you get the
final report. ~
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: This time next year. ,, '\ '°Z>
MR. OCHS: That's my estimate, yes, sir. ~
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: You know, I'm just sit r-·-__ ere
thinking about that. Two possible scenarios are we n ay more
and we need something bigger than we've ever ev _.__._..... ...... _._ ght about,
and the other extreme is we've got too much a ea ly don't need
any of it.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS:
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: It'~ s ........... :m..,, re in between, right,
but we don't know what that's goi until we get the report.
Maybe we're just spinning our wh~........ If --our decisions should be
guided by what the study says be we're just spinning our wheels
here and shouldn't be ma · decisions on any of it.
MR. OCHS: I mean, ur safest bet is to just hold onto the
property until you have he data in front of you --
CO MMIS S ER SOLIS: Yeah.
MR. OC : - o decide otherwise.
CO I NER SOLIS: Was there a motion --is there a
........ _,L .... __._. Because I'll make a motion for that. I would make
~llrlW"' we just hold onto the property pending the completion
tance of the culture arts --
R. OCHS: Assessment.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: --assessment, because until we do
that, we really don't know what we need.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And, certainly --I'll second the
motion. And, again, I think I said it in the early portion of my
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discussion, is we're not in a rush here. There's a really good chance
that the Triangle piece is going to close. If Mr. Casalanguida ever
gets that tower out of the way, it will close. He keeps blaming the
FAA like they have something to do with it, so ...
MR. CASALANGUIDA: I'll take it down myself, sir. ~
MR. KLATZKOW: It's not taking it down. It's putting.~'
one up. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I think --I mean, we'r ainly
not --we're not in a huge rush. I don't think there's a~,_ ... yi. ... g that
would preclude us from considering any off er fro U or a
private company or anything along those line i es along, but
we don't need to go out for an RFP either. So econd
Commissioner Solis' motion. 0 .-.
Any other discussion? • ~ ~
(No response.) ~~r
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: 1 . favor?
COMMISSIONER SOL
COMMISSIONER
CHAIRMAN McD~ L: Aye.
COMMISSIONE TAYLOR: Aye.
COMMISS ER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHAI N cDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound .
. )
: Thank you, Commissioners.
~.....,-~~SSIONER TAYLOR: Clear as mud, right?
OCHS: We've got it. Thank you. That was arduous, but
t it all done. Thank you.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: You got a reprieve for one
year. You don't have to even think about this.
MR. OCHS: Well, until the next unsolicited offer.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah. I was going to say, it says
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postscript. It doesn't mean that we're going to not look at offers that
might come in in the meantime. So, I mean, we're kind of where we
were when we started this conversation.
MR. OCHS: That's always the case. That's always the case. If
we get an offer on a property, we always bring it forward. ~
. Mr. Chairman, I'm looking at your court reporter. It's a~~' at
time. ~
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: It's time for a brea 0
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: All right. 2:53. W back.
(A brief recess was had.)
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairman, you have a ~ ·
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. ► '
ltem#llB • ~°'°
ADVERTISE A PUBLIC HEAR O CONSIDER THE
ADOPTION OF A NEW O ~~-NCE TO BE CALLED THE
POLLUTION CONTRO ~.J..~.,, REVENTION ORDINANCE,
CONSOLIDATING, RE LING AND REPLACING
ORDINANCE NO. 87 -)9, GARDING THE
TRANSPORT ON AND DISPOSAL OF SLUDGE AND
REPEALIN S UTION NO. 88-311 REGARDING FEES
FOR SLU G NSPORTATION AND DISPOSAL PERMITS.
THIS PRO D ORDINANCE WILL BE IN ADDITION TO
ORD ~~ENO. 89-20, THE EXISTING COLLIER COUNTY
~~ OLLUTION CONTROL ORDINANCE -MOTION TO
UE THE ITEM TO THE MAY 14, 2019 BCC MEETING
R OBTAINING ADDITIONAL INPUT -APPROVED
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, we move to Item 1 lB. This is a
recommendation to advertise for a future public hearing a new
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ordinance to be called the Pollution Control and Prevention
Ordinance. This ordinance repeals and replaces the previous
Ordinance No. 87-79. Ms. Dinette Kinaszczuk, from our pollution
control --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Would you say that again, s1
MR. OCHS: No. Kinaszczuk. Yes? Close? ., '\ 'Z>
MS. KINASZCZUK: Good. ~
MR. OCHS: I wrote it out phonetically so I could .-r --~~
Anyhow, she's done a great deal of work, very
this, and she's available to give you her PowerPoi
respond to specific questions, at the pleasure ~~
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: That was a g a
Ochs.
MR. OCHS: Thank you, sir. I.h ~, .. ~ ....... er.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: ~-ate in the day.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: e aven't had --it just opened
back up for Pollution Control. ~
I've read the --seen entation, read the ordinances. I have
concerns with regard to tfl ublic outreach for the adaptation of this
ordinance as it currentl~sits.
I, myself, reached out to four different --four different
companies th an e solid waste disposal hauling and the like.
Not one o the ad recollection of communication with regard to
that.
~.._,,.... reach out to the FOW A organization, the Florida
a: n of Wastewater Association, with regard to this?
S. KINASZCZUK: No. With regard to sludge hauler, we
reac ed out to every hauler that's licensed to work in Collier County.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Correct.
MS. KINASZCZUK: We sent them an email with a copy of the
ordinance asking them to comment on it, and we also invited them to
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a meeting to discuss it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Would you be --would you be --I
don't want to say insulted, because I actually --I spoke to one of
those people, and their correspondence with you, per you, was in
2017 with regard to this ordinance , and there's been an inordinate
know there was a long time for you to get through the Planni
Commission with regard to Mark Stain's concerns with re o the
constitutionality of access to people's property and so o .. --...... "-V so forth.
I've read the current resolution, ordinance. And ..--cL -""U w we're
just advertising this to be heard, but when we adv t as such,
then it is as such and certainly can be adopted · t ut I would
certainly rather us have a more refined ordinan e
outreach.
I have concerns about the sto nv-w private stormwater
management systems that are in h -""-" he potential exposure for
those the way this is currently --t ay this is currently written.
So it would be my sugge hat we continue this item until
you have --you have rea f with specifics to the --those
organizations again, inclu the FOWA, and get comments back on
that.
MS.KINA Okay. We can certainly do that, but I did
anted to get into the stormwater system a little
you're talking about DSAC's comments.
N McDANIEL: They weren't DSAC's comments.
~..._,,... .. y comments on what I read, and when I was reading --
s reading that ordinance --when I was reading the
or'-"'111..JLIIJl'.L.Lce, this was a portion of where I had concerns, because now
we' e asking for reviews from outside agencies, some of which aren't
even government agencies, to express opinions on reviews.
MR. OCHS: Commissioners, maybe it would be instructive to
go through the presentation here, if you don't mind. It's only a few
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slides, and it may clear up some --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: It's not going to clear up the fact
that the licensed individuals who I would like to have consulted with
with regard to this have some opportunity to have input on.
MR. OCHS: Yes, sir. I mean, they did have opportunity; t
chose not to --apparently chose not to respond, but we could '(>
certainly talk to them again. I don't know that it's going to ~~~~ge
our recommendations on enforcement, but --0
MS. KINASZCZUK: Leo, one thing I do want ~,i:vv about the
sludge licensing program, we're actually deregulat·
We're going to go from licensing, I want to sa A mpanies that
haul sludge down to 12 or 13. So right now w re ind of redundant
with the Health Department for people th au septage. We're
licensing them, and the Health Dep 'lrt·~N'\ · censing them. So
we're actually cutting that progra · cantly, and we're also no
longer charging them fees for the ~i,.,~ we are going to continue to
license them. ~
So I'm not quite sur,.,.-v..;fl-a-~ ...... -I'm not quite --and we're --the
way the ordinance is writ · s reflecting the way the program is
currently running. So, ~s, we can definitely get their input, but I'm
not sure what th would possibly want changed.
CHAI N cDANIEL: What I would like, Danette, and
this is just e -ell, I'll say his name. I mean, who's the largest --
who's the 1 t septic tank hauler of solid waste that you can think
of?
KINASZCZUK: Well, I'm going to go with Jim Kraft, just
___ . .,,.,e he stopped in my office yesterday.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That would be a guess. That's who
I reached out to . He's my friend. I asked him to review it. I asked
him to review the ordinance, and he had no recollection of this even,
in fact, going on.
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And then with communicating with you on Monday, you shared
with him that we sent you an email in 201 7, to which you did not
respond. So you took that as a no response. And I'm not chiding
you. I'm just saying, there's a lot of things that are going on in the
outside world. There are other communications --I had ~
communications with Monty's. I had communications with J '(>
Drainfield. I had communications with Matt Beebe. None .--:!IV'\em
knew this was, in fact, transpiring, so --and that associa · hat they
are all members of would be, I think, a prudent thing -... ·-.., to send
this to to get responses back as far as our regulato ~"',t,o.# edures,
maybe even learn something from somebody e state with
regard to this. So that's what I'm suggesting.
MR. OCHS: May we? (", .-
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Y ~u ~ all lit up. I just
started. Nobody was --you're firs issioner Taylor.
COMMISSIONER TA YLO · point of order. So we're --
this discussion today is to see · ant to advertise for a public
hearing to consider the a t of this ordinance.
CHAIRMAN McD~ L: Uh-huh.
COMMISSIONE TAYLOR: How many readings in this
public hearing?
W: We typically have two readings. MR.KL
CO I NER TAYLOR: So we can make changes from
,,. ... ~11111"' to the second hearing; is that correct?
-~~..,...__,ATZKOW: Yeah. Really, the purpose of the two
· so that you make your changes now, and then you bring it
r what, presumably, is the final draft, really, which would be a
quic approval.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Oh. So this is considered the
first hearing that we're in right now?
MR. KLATZKOW: Yes.
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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay.
MR. KLATZKOW: There's no point advertising an ordinance
that you guys are going to change later.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I see.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: That was my concern. There ~
some folks that have expressed concerns with this and --,, '\ '(>
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: But it's --what I'm ~
understanding --and just bear with me on this one. ,t 0
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Sure. ~~
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: And help me . ..., ... .,..., ...... is, please.
The specifically dealing with the sludge hauli ,~~ ations, what is
being recommended by staff is no different tha at they've been
operating under. There's no difference at ; is that correct?
MS. KINASZCZUK: Correct..
COMMISSIONER TA YLO ey're not --we're not
nt to say Happy belated Earth
Day, everyone.
COMMISSIONER LOR: Just start off this conversation.
CHAIRMAN Mc 9A-IEL: Yes. She's been sitting back there
making faces at all day long, so ...
And I'm ain , if we continue this till our next meeting,
groups that I've actually named here today, ask for
input, reac to a few of the homeowners' associations that are
imp e he stormwater management language changes that are
h,:,,--µ,; onally --and I don't know how you folks felt about this
w ou read it. This is a discontinuance of an ordinance that was
crea ed in 1984. Did anybody read that ordinance? No.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Back in 1984.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And then it was amended --yeah,
Burt. You read it once, didn't you, Commissioner Saunders?
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I remember it well. I think
may have even signed off for legal sufficiency.
MR. KLATZKOW: You might have wrote it.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And then it was amended 1987.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: As a matter of fact, I di . 'm
looking at the signature page right there. 'i>
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: So it was hard for me. It just
hard for me. We were eliminating an ordinance in '87 t ... .--.. ..__.
'84 that was amended in '87. There's no redline here ~~
and what is now.
So I --so I ended up reading the whole n o
expressed --and I'm trying to to get to my note . he main concerns
that I saw other than knowledge that the -onion of the folks that
are impacted by this ordinance wereJ1 't .. f.-..., .... 11,., ... -,.,,, ith, and then I read
some language in the stormwater .L.L~.L .... "1-,.,.., ............ ent --and I can get with
you off-line with regard to those c ...... __.. .... .....,ms, Danette. I don't need to
belabor the point. ~
But I'm --Commiss · unders, you're lit up. I've said my . piece.
COMMISSIONE SAUNDERS: Yeah, I wouldn't mind if we
could just have ve-minute presentation, because I'm sort of behind
the curve on 1 on .
MS. ~~· CZUK: Sure. I talk fast.
CHA N McDANIEL: I'm okay with the presentation.
-~~O.,. HS: Not too fast.
KINASZCZUK: I'm just kidding. I'm sorry.
MMISSIONER SOLIS: That was going to be my request,
bee use I would like to hear the presentation --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: --and I'd like to hear the whole
thing, if it's relatively short.
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MS. KINASZCZUK: Sure. Yeah. I can do it in under eight
minutes. Do you have that much time?
less.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Troy, set the timer; eight minute or
MR. OCHS: You've all seen this.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Go. ~
MS. KINASZCZUK: Okay. So I'm sure after last su:!l".:~~.r
everybody is aware that we have some water-quality iss Q The
picture that you guys see on the screen is red tide sa11 ft~1!1( The
higher --the darker the color, the higher the conce """l'IJ[\.J
was record breaking. It was the highest cone
had ever seen when we did the sample last su~~-~~-r, until two weeks
after that we broke that record, and two w. s after that we broke
that record, and that's how it went a 1 t --..:..::::ii.,--ut 2018.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: is was dated?
MS. KINASZCZUK: That s arch of 2018.
But pollution, it doesn't s the beaches. It starts upstream
where 33 percent of Con· ty's water bodies are impaired. We
have three total maximum ily loads assigned to us by the state,
meaning there's a ollu~nt oad we're not allowed to exceed in those
water bodies. F xample, in the Gordon River extension, we have a
total maximu ai oad for nitrogen, which means we have to limit
the amou of · ogen that can get into Gordon River extension.
The n h""::.11,._,.ep after that is --the next regulatory step is being
sin Management Action Plan, which they're hard to
1 .......... ~ ... -t and they're expensive. Lee County spent 27 million over
t a few years to implement their three, and they're only one of
take holders.
We're looking at --we did a real quick analysis to see what we
would be looking at for BMAP, Basin Management Action Plan,
costs just in two of our watersheds, and we're looking at 85 and a half
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million. That was 23 for Lake Trafford, and 62-and-a-half million
for Gordon River extension.
There's also some legislation being considered that would
require advanced wastewater treatment for any wastewater treatment
plant that serves an area with a Basin Management Action Plan.
don't know what it would cost for Collier County Water/Sew "Z>
Districts four plants, but just to do Sanibel's single small pl·~-...they're
looking at 19 --I think 19-and-a-half million. 0
So we're in the middle of an assessment cycle ri w, and we
could be facing additional impairments, total maxi ....... ~J, __ daily loads,
Basin Management Action Plans, and where I with this is
not even from an environmental perspective b · st from a
regulatory and a financial perspective, we' at a point where we need
to take some action to improve our w a ty.
So it has been challenging t · · mplement --or trying to
improve our water quality without evant ordinance. The
ordinance has to be updated b u it's a requirement of our state
storm water system perm· . ave to have specific language in the
ordinance; that was an au 1nding. And also, because the existing
ordinance, as you uys entioned, is 30 years old and doesn't address
our current wate uality issues and, as we just talked about, 33
percent of ou ate odies are impaired.
And, dd1 ally, we don't have any enforcement authority. We
have gotte ty far without it, but that only works if the customer's
willi ~ ... ~ the right thing, and there's some that aren't. For
e have a customer in the Pine Ridge Industrial Park that
, _ __.,u,__.ges petroleum contaminate stormwater every time it rains.
The Taylor Road Canal is part of the county's stormwater
management system. We're responsible for the water quality in it so,
obviously, we can't allow those discharges to continue. And right
now, under our current ordinance, we don't have the authority to
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make them stop.
This picture is of the --right where they're --right --just
downstream of where their stormwater discharges, and it's like this
any given day in the rainy season.
On a more positive note, we have --two great things about t
proposed ordinance is the focus on pollution prevention ands
tracking. That will help us find the trouble areas, work wit h"'lldi;w
customers to put in some best-management practices ini..Jlllll''-"lllll"U-1
coming behind them in and trying to get things clean ..,...__,,...,
So there's nothing extravagant that's in the pr~ . ....,. ordinance.
Nobody's requiring DNA testing for pet wast~ h"ng crazy like
that. This is just kind of getting us current. ► ,
Pollution Control is an education-ha roup. We always work
towards compliance assistance, not in · e mode. It doesn't do
us any good for somebody to cha rva.f"'.-.t"l · behavior because we're
standing there watching them. W t to change their behavior for
a lifetime. So it's always poll revention and education.
So these are all the ..-..-~~~~--liat we reviewed this with. We have
our internal people, and t some external stakeholders as well.
And as you can see wh, we call the regulated community, that was
made up of priv lift station operators and owners, waste --the
smaller waste ter eatment plants, 7 6 sludge haulers, and then
e multiple email addresses. So 43 sludge haulers,
ur certificate to operate program that any businesses
_,-.._...____,,.,.....r well field protection program, so we --that was what
the regulated community.
e also did the property owners association, the presidents and
pro erty owners association, to try to get after all the individual
developments, and same thing, an email to them saying, hey, can you
take a look at our ordinance, let us know what you think, and then a
followup with a meeting request if they wanted to talk about it.
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So it was a pretty extensive review process, and we did get a lot
of feedback about the ordinance. DSAC unanimously approved the
ordinance with one requested addition. They wanted us to exempt
existing developments from having to implement structural
best-management practices. Obviously, we don't support the ~
grandfathering because existing pollution comes from existi~ '(>
development.
There are a couple things to think about here. Nu::::::~~~ ne 1s
Collier County has to meet the water-quality standar
options are either treat all the water, all the storm wa1.e11l"'-so, you
know, I did a quick analysis of that, and say 1 i · n gallons a day
during the rainy season is $5.3 billion per year o reat all the
stormwater. So I'm assuming that's not a...-.--.v.tion.
And so the other option is stop .th ... -,.--....::....-so it doesn't pollute
the county's stormwater managem em.
So here's a scenario for sto--··..,.. at its source. Haldeman
Creek watershed is impaired£ per. We manage --let's say after
years of testing we mana ermine it's Development X. So we
go to that development, a ay, Haldeman Creek --oh, I'm sorry.
We can determine whic development --we determine which
development is tributing the above allowed amount of copper, and
we go to the a d , hey, this water body that you discharge to is
impaired£ r c er. We know that copper impairments come from
putting co~---~ased algaecides in your pond, so we suggest you stop
doin ~)lllllllilr,-
if they refuse to do that, then at that point, you know, it's
up to them to say, okay, we don't --whatever you want to do
wit 1n your community is fine, but you can't discharge
copper-contaminated water to the county's storm water system.
Whatever best-management practice you choose to do, whether it's
stop putting it in your pond or it's putting some sort of filtration
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system into your existing --that's up to you. But the bottom line is,
you're the ones doing the polluting. You're the ones that need to be
accountable for it and not discharging polluted water into the county's
stormwater system.
You know, this isn't random. This is making the people tha e
actually doing the polluting the ones that have to pay for it. '(>
And also, the Planning Commission, we went there a ~L-le
times, and sitting as the EAC, they also unanimously aP. v d the
ordinance .
So we just wanted to show you guys a little b ·
potential costs. Here's some potential costs £ e ~n.....ediation in the
event of a spill. As you can see, it's incident s c 1c and depends on
the type of pollutant, the amount, and wh it spills. So, you know,
digging up the dirt --a little bit of d ~rt · heaper than putting in
some groundwater wells to test aft ontaminate groundwater.
This is the cost of doing busi . If you spill something on the
ground that can contaminate o face water or groundwater, it
needs to be cleaned up. ,-0 ,
And these pictures s~ what this ordinance is really all about.
This poor turtle swam t)rough so much contaminated stormwater that
was discharge t tormwater pond that the turtle is creating a sheen
as it swims a is ordinance makes sure that it gets cleaned up
and requir s b -management practices to make sure that it doesn't
happen ag
~~V"n there's our recommendation. Did I make it in eight
AIRMAN McDANIEL: I don't know. He didn't set the time
cloc . I think you did a good job.
I know that I've gotten several comments that you were talking
too fast. You want to do it again?
MS. KINASZCZUK: I would love to.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I appreciate the presentation. I still
haven't come off of my thought processes with regard to a two-week
continuance to reach out to some of those parties that are affected.
Have you talked to the wastewater disposal --wastewater/water
facilities oflmmokalee with regard to this? ~
MS. KINASZCZUK: Yes, we have. I went and presen.tS\~
their board. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Okay. So... 0
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Just real quick, the ~--""""'rty owners
association that you referenced, was that the Presi ..... --ouncil?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Yes. ~
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Or was it ind~iaua ones?
MS. KINASZCZUK: It was an ema~o everybody that's in
the --• COMMISSIONER SOLIS: . ts Council?
MS. KINASZCZUK: --pro~-r1,.,,, --yes .
COMMISSIONER SOL ah, okay. It's an association of
all of the presidents of al associations.
MS. KINASZCZU . es. That was the best way we could
figure to get after all th in ividual developments and make sure they
were aware of w. 1 was going on.
CHAI N cDANIEL: And how long have you been
working oT~"""l"'IIIIIIII.L · dinance review?
MS. SZCZUK: We have been working on it well over
e came in, recognized the need. We're having some
_._ __ _.__._. .. getting some of our customers to clean up and make some
...._,._s that they needed to change. So we wrote it and start the
revi w process, you know, went through some of the internal
reviews. And then after we had a pretty strong ordinance, we started
sending it through some external reviews , and at the same time
having every scenario weighed against it.
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So every new pollution complaint that would come in or
whatever our situation was, we would, okay, does this work? Do we
need to adjust something? And you know, it's funny, one of the
exemptions we made was for power washers, because we said, okay,
you can't put any pollutants on the ground. And, you know, pe~~
power wash with bleach and soap, and so then we ended up '0-
modifying that and exempting it saying, okay, that wash wa ould
end up going on the grass because, I mean, what are yo i g to do?
So we really --I'm very comfortable with thew~,.,_._-"'"" ordinance
is written. I think it's fair, I think it's reasonable, a,.....__ ... .__.__._ink it will go
very, very far with what we need to do to hel ~o!.,1-r ter quality.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commission ohs.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Obviou the cost of being hit
with a basin management plan or m ~r . ..,_._~_.__._~,.__._e or whatever is not
something that we want to have t
My question is, I mean, is th e aeadline in the next month that
would cause us not to want to nal,--,.··-his down at all or --I mean, is
there --is something im · ut there that's going to create that so
that putting this off to the t meeting would be a problem?
MS. KINASZCZlJK : o. Basin Management Action Plans are
assigned at the · retion of DEP, so I can't tell you whether it would
be next mont
CO I NER SOLIS: I mean, it could happen tomorrow,
-il\n7l~six months from now; we don't know?
IL)IIIII~~ ASZCZUK: Correct.
MISSIONER SOLIS: Okay.
AIRMAN McDANIEL: He asked my question, so I'll make
a n we continue it to our next meeting and that you reach out to
those organizations that I suggested.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'll second that.
Mr. County Attorney, when this comes back at our next
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meeting, we would vote, then, to advertise this for a public hearing, it
would come back at our --the question becomes, are we able to do
this before our summer break? Because you're going to have to
advertise for about 10 days or --
MR. KLATZKOW: Yes, we will get to this before your ~
summer break. ,, '\ '(>
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Okay. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And I think that gets here
we want to go, and I certainly don't --I hope you tak~~ffense to
what I'm talking about. And I know you've been T.-t!.~·~~,,_, diligent --I
watched some of the trials and tribulations th _ _,o ent through
during the Planning Commission when they w e --when you were
bringing this --when you were bringing t · or inance forward, so --
and I --let's have a motion before I ~a~ "'~-~~
It's been moved and seconde"-0-___., ... ._ e continue this to our next
stated communication. Any other i ussion?
(No response.) ~TT-.7'T~
CHAIRMAN McD w--....... All in favor?
COMMISSIONER IS: Aye.
COMMISSIONE FI LA: Aye.
CHAIRM McDANIEL: Aye.
COMM O R TAYLOR: Aye.
CO I NER SAUNDERS: Aye.
CHA N McDANIEL: Opposed same sign, same sound.
~._ei,o"" onse.)
IRMAN McDANIEL: So moved. Thank you.
MMISSIONER SOLIS: Can I ask one quick question? I
can' remember where I heard this, but there was a recent update of
some scientific report relating to the causes of red tide, and I thought
I heard this on the news and that there was some, I think, federal
agency that's come out and made a statement that --I was kind of
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surprised, but that it maybe isn't caused by runoff; that there are these
other issues.
MS. KINASZCZUK: There is. We can send it to you guys.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Please. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Well --and if I'm not mistaken,
don't know, there's been some discussion between my office .~~
yours with regard to that presentation we attended at IF AS ~ 1n
the spring and bringing in some scientists with regard to ide and
the fact that it's actually a naturally occurring --and
where the differentiations in its extremities come,
MR. OCHS: That presentation's coming
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: In May.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: In May. kay.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR:. -I'-~ or point of
clarification, do we have the time se folks can speak?
Because I know we have the Mice ee Tribe of Indians, and we
also have the Seminole Tribe ting.
MR. OCHS: Yes, ~-;,._...., e were just going to schedule them
together under presentatio . It would be first thing.
COMMISSIONE T.AYLOR: But do they have a time frame
that they can pr t so they know how long?
MR. OC 11, we usually try to limit it to 10 minutes or 15
ntation item.
IONER TAYLOR: Okay.
AN McDANIEL: Commissioner Saunders.
MISSIONER SAUNDERS: Mr. Solis, I'm not a
co · acy theorist at all, but the worst red tide that we have had in
any ne's memory occurred while the Mueller report was being
prepared. And is there a connection?
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Just saying, right?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: He said it was during the Mueller
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report, while they were preparing the Mueller report was the worst
red tide we've ever had.
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Just saying.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Just saying.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: But it's true. It's accurate. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I don't think I'm even allo~~a
laugh at that, but that's funny. ~
MR. OCHS: Thanks, Danette. ,t 0
MS. KINASZCZUK: Thank you. ~ ~
Item #15 ~~
STAFF AND COMMISSION GE~~~MMUNICA TIO NS
MR. OCHS: Mr. Chairma , takes us to Item 15, those are
staff and Commission comm 1 ions.
I'll remind you tha e June 4th BCC/county staff
workshop for your facilitie aster plan workshop. Sorry, the
power's gone offt re.✓
The other · e I have, Commissioners, is --I don't know if
you-all recei hi , but I received the correspondence from
Congress ...... ..,.lil,._R ney dated April 18th that is announcing on
May 7 th t e congressman is hosting a roundtable at Florida Gulf
Coa · rsity with federal and state agencies to discuss health
ec a d measures to mitigate harmful algal blooms, and he is
inv · g Collier County to join at the roundtable, and I didn't know if
the Commission wanted to designate somebody or if you're all
planning to attend, but --and I don't know, Mr. Chairman, if you've
received this letter or any of the commissioners.
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CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: No bells are going off for me. Sue
takes care of so much stuff for me. What day did you say it was?
MR. OCHS: It's May the 7th, and I would be happy to draft a
response for your signature to the congressman if one or more of you
would like to join. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: What's the pleasure of the B .
Do you want to designate someone to --I think we should a d.
MR. OCHS: Yeah. You know, for what it's worth _ __.__,'----ULow
Commissioner Taylor serves with the F AC on the wa -ality
committee. It seems like a logical assignment. C · sioner, I'm
not trying to give you extra work. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: She already ~lunteered.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'll b ere.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: S~ I' -----.. -~ make a motion that
Commissioner Taylor be our repr,___,_._
COMMISSIONER SAUND . I'll second that. What time is
that meeting going to be, by t ~?
MR. OCHS: They ' en indicate here, sir, but I'll find out.
CHAIRMAN McD~ L: I mean, we may want to --others of
us might like to attend ~d e in participation, so we want to make
sure that we cov ases for more than one of us to be there.
MR. OC ah. I think they were only reserving two seats
per county;
me.
CHA~~· At the table?
-~.._,.0 HS: Yeah.
IRMAN McDANIEL: So ...
MMISSIONER SOLIS: Sounds like rock, paper, scissors to
MR. OCHS: All right. Well, thank you. I'll take care of that.
That's all the communication I had today, Mr. Chairman.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: County Attorney?
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MR. KLATZKOW: Nothing, sir.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Madam Clerk?
CLERK KINZEL: Nothing, thank you.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Absolutely.
CLERK KINZEL: It's a great day.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Commissioner Solis.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I think I've probably said ..., ... _n , .. IIIL<.
~~-0
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: How about Commi ~..,__....,r Fiala?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Nothing.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I --my only
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Chairs.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I'm so rrtf, .-
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR:.C ~~is.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: ~~ aais. Oh, I'm not allowed to
say that yet. You're going to. ..'v'
COMMISSIONER TAY . Oh, I am. Okay.
CHAIRMAN McD w--...-.... I wanted to have a discussion with
regard to cell service. W d talked a while back with regard to cell
service and whether or jlO t 1t needed to be enhanced with regard to
essential service some sort of level there from our perspective,
and I want to 1 · h that sooner than later. So maybe ifwe can
e radar a little bit, that would make me feel better.
: Yes, sir.
AN McDANIEL: Commissioner Taylor.
MISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. A couple of things. First
forgot to mention this when we discussed the CRA, but there
are number of unimproved lots within the CRA district that concern
me because of the amount of understory that's on these lots. And if
we get into a drought, it's a tinderbox.
And we have fire suppression challenges throughout the CRA.
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It doesn't mean that there's not a Fire Department there. There is. It
doesn't mean they don't respond. But there are a number of hydrants
that aren't working, and I can be glad to present that to you. And that
is slowly but very clearly being improved as the City of Naples
comes in and widens the water pipes in this area so that there's ~
enough pressure for these hydrants. '(>
Given that as it is, I'd like to see if there's any support taff to
investigate the CRA --and I brought it up in front of the
Perhaps going in and clearing out the understory at t._L _............,~
CRA initially, and then the property owners must
I'm very clear about the importance of this, b....,-'-Ll.s t e City of
Naples there is an unimproved area that will al a s remain that area.
It was the first time in the history of Colli County that people
decided to buy property with their t <1x w'~~,~,._.,nd leave it
unimproved, and that's the Naples ~---·_,e e. It's south of the mall.
And it is very clear from the oping and taking care of that
property that the understory ~~~-maintained because it becomes a
fire hazard otherwise. ~ ,
So as we move --if 'V,ould just maybe see if staff would just
maybe explore this and~ven bring back some costs, not that we
would move in t, because it must go to the CRA advisory board,
but I think it ds be assessed.
MR. C · Well, just let me ask a legal question. I'm
--this is with permission of the property owner?
~~.,,,~~SSIONER TAYLOR: I would --again, this is all part
~.:: .... '_L •·-ussion. I don't know how we do this.
AIRMAN McDANIEL: It would have to be. We're not
ed to take public assets on private property. This is the same
thing as maintaining a private road, and we can't take public assets on
private property, one.
Two, then we've got a precedent with regard to clearing private
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property and then --and there are other areas of our community that
have a lot of private property with an enormous amount of under
storage, and how do we move down that rabbit hole?
I would suggest just enhanced code enforcement --code
enforcement efforts with regard to the criterion that's establishe
the area as far as the under storage and the proper care of a va
and enhance the code enforcement activities first. Now, th•--"""'1111...:1.ust
me. While you were talking, I was sitting there going, 0
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I'm not talking a ny other
area but the CRA, and I'm not talking about doin ing, but it's
been my observation and my concern, given t.L...,~ mies in this
area, that maybe we could look at it and explo i , not that we would
do anything, because it must go before th RA advisory board.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: L ~t t.w .., ... .,.,,.~,,,,...
(Simultaneous speakers spea __ __,· -,,,_
MR. KLATZKOW: The d n ·cs in that area is going to be the
dynamics throughout the entir o ty if the issue is fire. It's code
enforcement. We do hav. · r ordinance within that.
If we want to revisit litter ordinance, it could be something
we could do. ✓
COMMISS ER TAYLOR: Okay. And I'll bow to you, to
staff, you kn , the irection, but it's not something that --I know
our Count M ger's going to say, well, if you get a majority on the
comm1ss10 gree to this, then we'll spend tax --you know, staff
time
IRMAN McDANIEL: I would almost rather us have a
the ordinances with regard to the requisite of a private
pro erty owner's care of a vacant lot first, make the adjustments
there --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: That's fine.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: --first, and then come back and
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give Code Enforcement an opportunity to manage those clearings. I
would rather us have a look at it that way as opposed to going out and
spending CRA dollars on clearing of private property.
MR. KLATZKOW: Well, no. If you're in violation of the
ordinance, the way it works, if you don't take care of it, the coun~
will go in, mow, and then bill you. ,, '\ ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We do it in --~
MR. KLATZKOW: We do that all the time, and t.,,.__.. __ t ere will
be a lien on the property. The issue is really, you ma t to relook
at the ordinance. That's all.
MR. OCHS: Yeah. That's for overgrow ou guys are
talking about --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: She's ta~..s about --
MR. OCHS: --you know, vac i n ~ ~
COMMISSIONER TA YLO ~t talking about clearing --
I'm not talking about clear cuttin . talking about understory, and
I can tell you the Botanical G -<C•r&K.• got it down to a science, so they
can help you with it , bec ~~v y helped us with the Naples
Preserve.
MR. OCHS: We'l look into it.
COMMISS ER TAYLOR: Okay. All right. Second of all,
just so you , I the appointee for F AC to the water
committee e are supposed to be taking grass-roots information
and repres ...,....,..,"""..,.,_ the area that we live in and represent to these
meet· ich is a statewide meeting of F AC with 3 7
ners.
ne of the --and thank you for appointing me to the Rooney
eve t, the roundtable. But one of the areas that I know that's
happening is is in Lake Okeechobee. And why Lake Okeechobee?
It's not your area, Penny. But, you know, Lake Okeechobee kind of,
through the Caloosahatchee, jumps into our water, and we know the
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history of it.
So next week --or next week, or maybe it's in May, there's
going to be a meeting of all the counties surrounding Lake
Okeechobee, including the municipalities around the bay. And I
spoke to Commissioner Turner. The meeting is in a high schoo
Clewiston. And he suggested, as I found --I followed up, be'-A..&, ..... ~ e
sent us an email about it, that perhaps the Commission wou e to
weigh in, and the weigh-in would be to allow science to .----~ the
decisions regarding the lake levels in Lake Okeechob
there's a lot of push and pull about this.
And I know that from being in Tallahass
DEP had Noah Valenstein and also the govern . t's the whole tenor
of what they're doing with water is allowi ~ ~ience to drive the
decisions. • ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: . n of that, a large portion of
that's being determined by the Co s Engineers and the stability of
the levy on the south side. ~
COMMISSIONER J)R.: That's right.
CHAIRMAN McD ~ L: Which is then dictating the level of
discharge that is re uis ~ based upon the good Lord's presentation of
rainwater into t basin. So I'm all about the science drive it, but
when someo t tH Corps of Engineers says, don't put the level past
this becau e o potential foreseeable failure of that levy for and
until that c ction's completed, we're handcuffed, science or no
MISSIONER TAYLOR: Well --and I was putting
... -.. .... .,..,, that the Corps, that's part of science, you know. It's like let
ata and let the science drive these decisions.
So if I write the letter as such, would you agree and would there
be a consensus on this Commission to allow me to represent the
Commission in Collier County in this issue?
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Sure.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Have you been that far east before?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Oh, I've gone out --
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: Clewiston's a ways out there.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I've been out in Lake ~
Okeechobee. ,, '\ '(>
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I'm just messing with you ~
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So if that's agreem.-v---~
agreeable, I'll do that. It's on May 7th.
Just a quick --I would like to see if we could · et an update
on the Vanderbilt Beach Road extension cons ct ~ maybe at the
next meeting, or if you want to write somethin t us. It doesn't
have--(', __
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Me ipo?. J()
COMMISSIONER TAYLO , yeah.
And then one of the --as eco · c chair, what I'd like to start
doing is bringing in, periodica sinesses established here just for
us, and maybe it would baa...,._ ... .....-t_._...., presentations, and it would be like a
10-minute presentation or atever. I'm not talking about hours or
even an hour or even 3 minutes. But some of those businesses
would be Arthre o get an update on what they're doing, Oakes Farm
and Alfie Oa to me in and talk to us about what he's doing.
Maybe 36 M t and Rebecca Maddox and see what she's
plannin . ..,, ~L .. ~...,,~ ......... er one is --and I know they're not economic, but
they e e ause they question me on it, is the Southwest Florida
C hA"l'!-.::»-t'"Wll:Yt" Hispanic Vote (sic), Mr. Lopez; I think you're speaking
them.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Did last week.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Did last week. You know, to
understand the Hispanics' challenge, because I was questioned
running about that from them from an economic side. And I just
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think it would be informative. We wouldn't make a motion on it, and
see if there's a consensus on my commission that this would be of
interest, and any suggestions you might have about businesses in the
Golden Gate area or your different districts.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: My only concern --I like the ~
premise, but my only concern is unless we did it on a regular
and opened it up to anybody that wanted to come and speak s
about the business, it could be proclaimed as an advertis e t for an
independent business, not that any of those that you ... ~ .....
worthy, but I would just --I would be concerned i1 ~oavv ere picking
those independent businesses. ~
If we decide at our board meeting we wan~to have during
proclamations and presentations a 10-mi .......... .,,. resentation from a
particular business, existent busines~ i e a, that 10-minute slot
is up, and they apply through a prl,,..c,~ process, and then staff
goes through those and allows eve e that opportunity.
I would think that would a: ath that we could travel. But for
us to be picking and cho · ose who come and don't I would
have a concern with. I li ............ ~-e idea because --and, again, the
Chamber has a ve nic young lady now that is out with business
retention and so · ·tation. She's came and met with me, and I assume
with the rest ou well. So they might be someone we could
ak to.
ner Saunders.
~.....,-~~SSIONER SAUNDERS: I hadn't thought about what
id, but it makes some sense. You mentioned The 360
.... ~ .... y , which is a restaurant, and they have the food truck park
ther , but then across the street is the Real Macaw restaurant. So,
you know, do you bring one in and not the other? So I think that may
create an issue.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yeah.
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COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: So --but another alternative,
and I'll just throw this out for consideration since it's still not
6 o'clock yet. What about having the Chamber come in from time to
time and give us an update on what the business climate is and --
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I like that idea. '
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: --just, you know --n ~fy
month, but maybe every quarter, every six months just to i s an
update on what's happening economically in the countYJ11' -
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I like that a lot. ~ ~
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Just a tho ~l,
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Okay. I ~::--~ at probably
makes a lot more sense, and I hadn't thought a u tnis, but that does
put a lot of pressure on who are the winn~~ who are not.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: R i.g ~ ~
COMMISSIONER TA YLO ___, ___ ~¥o, I think that's --
COMMISSIONER SAUNDc:;._---.-7T • Okay.
COMMISSIONER TAY . Is that a consensus? Yeah .
All right. And beca hairman wussed out on this issue.
CHAIRMAN McD ~ I didn't. I'm not scared.
COMMISSIONE TAYLOR: Yes, you did. We'd like to
discuss the chai nd the status of what we're doing to replacing
(sic), and ou~i n --and I'm, again , responding to what you
said. ..._~
CHA N McDANIEL: Where's the bus? There was a bus
~..,.·cture up there . Put it up there. She's throwing me
der the bus right now.
MMISSIONER TAYLOR: The consideration of maybe
eve a redesign of the dais. I'm going to leave that up to everyone.
More importantly, the chairs. Where are we with the chairs?
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: We would like to know,
Commissioner Saunders, are these the same chairs you were sitting in
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when you were here?
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Yes, are they the same chairs
you were sitting in?
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yeah. I'm sitting here, when
you say "the chair," I'm trying to figure out, the chair of what?
you're talking about the chairs that we sit in. '(>
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: The chair that squeaks
time you go back in it. I can hear you. 0
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: I'm glad to h t. I'm
going to stick with what my proposal was before, e go down to
the second floor and get some new chairs. ~
MR. OCHS: There you go. The chairs a1}ordered.
MR. CASALANGUIDA: If you ca ree on them.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: W.e'r ....,...,........ to let MJ pick them.
COMMISSIONER TA YLO , they have been.
MR. OCHS: The chairs are 'Vlalo.'-'-Y" ... ed.
COMMISSIONER TAY . It sounds like the check is in the
email. When are these c · .,_., ......... ing in?
MR. OCHS: Probao ix weeks.
CHAIRMAN Mc9A-IEL: Well, then, just so you know,
Commissioner ___.,"'..._or and I were talking, because I've often suffered
from leg era up ere, and I don't get them anywhere else other
than sittin in · chair. And so I blamed this. And then --
COM IONER TAYLOR: Commissioner Solis.
AN McDANIEL: Don't laugh.
MISSIONER TAYLOR: No, he's laughing, because his
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: Oh, yeah.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: And then the conversation went
around to a discussion about the entire dais, the technology that's
here, the speakers, the sound system, so on and so forth, and maybe
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we ought to --maybe you ought to give that some consideration at
some stage as well.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So he said it, not me.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: I said it, not her.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Because they ignored me. ~
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: But if the chairs are ordere ~ t
we'll be okay. ~
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I want you to kno ~ebeen
ignored now for two years. ~ ~
MR. OCHS: You haven't been ignored, ma'a , ~
COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS: Yous 1 e used to it by
now.
COMMISSIONER SOLIS: I'll take arstool.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR:. T w,·.~.,., at we do up here.
CHAIRMAN McDANIEL: 1 . Commissioner Saunders,
we're at the --it's not 6 o'clock yet go.
COMMISSIONER SA S: I don't think I have anything
to add.
CHAIRMAN McD~ Okay. With that, we are adjourned.
*****
er Solis moved, seconded by Commissioner Taylor
the following items under the Consent and
·--..:~v5 endas be approved and/or adopted (Commissioner Solis
n c.lllf~ from voting on Item # 16A 10) * * * *
AN AGREEMENT FOR REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION (RFQ)
NO. 18-7482, "REAL ESTATE APPRAISAL AND CONSULTING
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SERVICES," TO THE FOLLOWING EIGHT (8) FIRMS; WILCOX
APPRAISAL SERVICES INC., CARROLL & CARROLL
APPRAISERS & CONSULTANTS LLC., MAXWELL, HENDRY
& SIMMONS LLC., RKL APPRAISAL AND CONSULTING PLC.,
MPJ REAL ESTATE SERVICES INC., ANDERSON & CARR~
INC., R&W ENTERPRISES INC., AND REAL ESTATE ~ ~~
ANALYSTS LLC -FOR SERVICES RELATING TO ~
CONSERVATION COLLIER ACQUISITIONS, RIGH -WAY
ACQUISITIONS FOR ROADWAY /STORM WAT ~ILITY
PROJECTS, REAL PROPERTY ASSET DISPOS SAND
OTHER REAL ESTATE VALUATION ASS TS
Item #16A2
CLERK OF COURTS TO RELE ERFORMANCE BOND
IN THE AMOUNT OF $34,040 H WAS POSTED AS A
GUARANTY FOR EXCA V PERMIT NUMBER
PL20160001004 FOR W ..,___.._,..,...._....,.SOCIATED WITH INSPIRA AT
LEL Y RESORT -WO AS BEEN INSPECTED AND THE
DEVELOPER HAS FlJLF LED COMMITMENTS WITH
RESPECT TO ~J;ECURITY
~;~
Item #16 3 ......_ ~
THE MINOR FINAL PLAT OF LANDINGS AT
AW LOT 10 REPLAT, APPLICATION NUMBER
0001488
Item #16A4
FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF POTABLE WATER FACILITIES FOR
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GERMAIN HONDA, PL20180000456, ACCEPTING
UNCONDITIONAL CONVEYANCE OF A PORTION OF THE
POTABLE WATER, AND TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY
MANAGER, OR HIS DESIGNEE, TO RELEASE THE UTILITIES
PERFORMANCE SECURITY (UPS) AND FINAL OBLIGAT
BOND IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF $17,001.73 TO THE ~
PROJECT ENGINEER OR THE DEVELOPER'S DESIG ED
AGENT -FOR THE DEALERSHIP OFF LIVINGS TO D
PINE RIDGE ROADS
Item # 16A5 't,-,, ~
FINAL ACCEPTANCE AND UNCOND~---ArO~AL CONVEYANCE
OF POTABLE WATER AND SEW.E TY FACILITIES FOR
STONECREEK PLAT TWO PH AND 3, PL20170003174
AND TO AUTHORIZE THE CO MANAGER, OR HIS
DESIGNEE, TO RELEASE INAL OBLIGATION BOND IN
THE AMOUNT OF $4,0 HE PROJECT ENGINEER OR
THE DEVELOPER'S D NATED AGENT-A FINAL
INSPECTION TO DIS~O ER DEFECTS WAS CONDUCTED BY
DEVELOPME EVIEW STAFF MARCH 18, 2019, IN
COORDINA N ITH PUBLIC UTILITIES AND THE
FACILITI S RE FOUND TO BE SATISFACTORY AND
ACCEPT~~~-
FIN L ACCEPTANCE AND UNCONDITIONAL CONVEYANCE
OF POTABLE WATER UTILITY FACILITIES FOR GROUP
PRESIDENT ELECTRONICS USA, PL20170000545 AND TO
AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MANAGER, OR HIS DESIGNEE,
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TO RELEASE THE UTILITIES PERFORMANCE SECURITY
(UPS) AND FINAL OBLIGATION BOND IN THE TOTAL
AMOUNT OF $4,920 TO THE PROJECT ENGINEER OR THE
DEVELOPER'S DESIGNATED AGENT-A FINAL INSPECTION
TO DISCOVER DEFECTS WAS CONDUCTED BY ~
DEVELOPMENT REVIEW STAFF MARCH 12, 2019, ~., ~~
COORDINATION WITH PUBLIC UTILITIES, AND TH ~
FACILITIES WERE FOUND TO BE SATISFACTOR D
ACCEPTABLE
Item #16A7
RESOLUTION 2019-64: FINAL ACCEP. ------ROADW A y AND DRAINAGE IJvlP ........ ~T
ACCEPTANCE OF THE PLAT
PLAT OF TWINEAGLES PHAS
NUMBER AR-9287, AND A
MAINTENANCE SECU
Item #16A8
NA COLLIER COUNTY LANDSCAPE
AGREEMENT ("AGREEMENT") BETWEEN
TY AND MATT AMY TAMP A/SARASOTA,
~rANDSCAPE AND IRRIGATION IMPROVEMENTS
...-,,_.._...-...... T THE BA YSHORE DRIVE AND PINE STREET PUBLIC
S-OF-WAY -THERE IS NO COST TO THE COUNTY
AS OCIATED WITH THIS PROPOSAL
Item #16A9
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A BUDGET AMENDMENT OF $60,000 TO MOVE FUNDS IN
STORMW ATER CAPITAL FUND 325 FROM PROJECT
NUMBER 60139 TO PROJECT NUMBER 33606,
COCOHATCHEE AND PALM RIVER DREDGING -TO
FACILITATE THE REMOVAL OF BUILT-UP SILT IN A ~
PORTION OF THE COCOHATCHEE AND PALM RIVER ,~
THEREBY RESTORING THE CONVEYANCE CAP ACI OF
DOWNSTREAM RECEIVING WATERS ~o
Item #16A10 Commissioner Solis Abstained fro ng
(During Agenda Changes) ~
THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE AME M~NT NO. 3 TO
CONTRACT NO. 18-7245 WITH 1 A NGINEERING, INC.,
TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL T R THE COLLIER
COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE RSHED IMPROVEMENT
PLAN -ELIGIBLE COSTS ,455,504 WILL BE
REQUESTED FOR REI ~.,.LJMENT UNDER THE RESTORE
ACT DIRECT COMPO T WITHIN THE GROWTH
MANAGEMENT G FUND 711 PROJECT NO. 33554
Item#16Al ~
RELEASI PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (PUD)
co T~......-L..L...INT FOR AN EMERGENCY ACCESSW A y WITHIN
T ~ .. T EN HERON PUD -AS DETAILED IN THE
TIVE SUMMARY
Item #16A12
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THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUED FROM THE APRIL 9, 2019 BCC
MEETING. THE RELEASE OF A CODE ENFORCEMENT LIEN
WITH AV ALUE OF $394,130.86 FOR PAYMENT OF $2,080.86
IN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS ENTITLED BOARD
OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS V. EDELMIRO AND
BERNADITA ROBLES, CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD
NO. CESD20100009519 RELATING TO PROPERTY LO~.L...._._ED
AT 4015 16TH AVE SE, COLLIER COUNTY, FLORI THE
PROPERTY WAS ACQUIRED BY A NEW OWN O WAS
UNAWARE OF PAST CODE VIOLATIONS; T OPERTY
WAS BOUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE NOV 2018
Item #16A13
THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUED HE APRIL 9 2019 BCC
MEETING. THE RELEASE OF (2) CODE ENFORCEMENT
LIENS WITH AV ALUE OF ,616.50 FOR PAYMENT OF
$3 ,000 IN THE CODE ~ MENT ACTIONS ENTITLED
BOARD OF COUNTY MISSIONERS V. RICHARD
L. GOSSARD, JR AN E ONNE M. ESTEP, CODE
ENFORCEME PECIAL MAGISTRATE CASE NO.
CEPM20140 04 ND CASE NO. CEAU20160016271
RELAT G ROPERTY LOCATED AT 5310 SHOLTZ ST,
COLLIER TY, FLORIDA -THE PROPERTY WAS
AC ~~ BY HOME & LAND PORTFOLIO, LLC, VIA TAX
D LE RECORDED ON DECEMBER 12, 2018 AND WAS
GHT INTO COMPLIANCE DECEMBER 21 2018
Item #16A14
AN AGREEMENT WITH CENTURYLINK FOR RELOCATION
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OF THE EVERGLADES SWITCHING DEVICE LOCATED
WITHIN THE PROJECT LIMITS OF PROJECT NO. 60145
"DESIGN BUILD GOLDEN GATE BOULEY ARD 4-LANE,
FROM WEST OF 20TH STREET EAST TO EAST OF
EVERGLADES BOULEY ARD, INCLUDING DRAINAGE T ~
THE FAKA UNION CANAL" IN THE AMOUNT OF $239 ~)
PROJECT NO. 60145
Item #16Cl
AN AGREEMENT AND AUTHORIZING A
AMENDMENT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO
PROVIDE THE GOLDEN GATE ESTA S REA CIVIC
ASSOCIATION, INC. FUNDING J;R E GAC LAND TRUST
FOR THE PURCHASE OF TWO I TO WELCOME
RESIDENTS AND VISITORS T LDEN GATE ESTATES -
PER STIPULATIONS IN TH 3 AGREEMENT BETWEEN
AVATARPROPERTIE .-.... ,......... NDCOLLIERCOUNTY
Item #16C2
A BUDGET E MENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $120,000 TO
REALLO A UBLIC UTILITIES DEPARTMENT
WASTE PROJECT FUNDS TO EXECUTE PRIORITY
PRO ~r/if'-TO REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE AND IMPROVE
T !ABILITY OF THE I WATER SYSTEM
AN AGREEMENT FOR INVITATION TO BID NO. 19-7516,
"OVERHEAD DOORS AND GATES," TO ATLAS DOOR &
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GATE, INC., FOR COUNTY-WIDE OVERHEAD DOOR AND
GATE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR
SERVICES -HISTORICAL ANNUAL EXPENDITURES ARE
APPROXIMATELY $100,000 PER YEAR, COUNTY-WIDE;
HOWEVER, FUTURE ANNUAL EXPENDITURES WILL B ~
BASED ON COUNTY NEEDS AND AVAILABLE BUDG
Item #16C4
AGREEMENT FOR REQUEST FOR PROPOSA•.-:rr ..... ..,,_ 7467, "LOW
VOLTAGE AND SECURITY ACCESS INF ,...._..~,.... TURE '' TO ' JUICE TECHNOLOGIES, INC. D/B/A PLU X T FOR
COUNTY-WIDE LOW VOLTAGE AN E RITY ACCESS
SERVICES -FOR AN INITIAL T:r_I EAR PERIOD
COMMENCING UPON THE D OARD APPROVAL
WITH TWO ADDITIONAL ON AR RENEW AL OPTIONS
Item #16C5 -0 e.>
AMENDMENT NO. 2 r O,HE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF
ENVIRONME L PROTECTION (FDEP) CONTRACT NO.
GC919 , TO H IZE FDEP TO REIMBURSE THE COUNTY
FOR EXP N URES RELATED TO REQUIRED TRAINING TO
APPROPR LY ADMINISTER THE INSPECTION AND
CO -~~ CE OF THE CONTRACT-AS DETAILED IN THE
E ~ IVE SUMMARY
A CERTIFICATION OF FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY, AS
REQUIRED BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF
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ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, FOR THE RENEWAL OF
AN OPERATING PERMIT FOR THE DEEP INJECTION WELL
SYSTEM AT THE NORTH COUNTY REGIONAL WATER
TREATMENT PLANT-REGARDING THE PLANT AT 8005
VANDERBILT BEACH ROAD EXT NAPLES FL 34120
Item #16C7
AN AMENDMENT WITH SOUTH FLORIDA WA
MANAGEMENT DISTRICT TO CONTINUE L ~·,~1 G OFFICE
SP ACE FOR TOURISM AND ECONOMIC MENT ON
HORSESHOE DRIVE NORTH
ltem#16C8 • ~°'°
THE SALE OF COUNTY-OWN ~T 16, BLOCK 20, OF LEL Y
GOLF ESTATES, ST. AND EAST TO THE LELY GOLF
ESTATES HOME O ..__....,.SOCIATION (HOA) AT A PRICE
AT OR NEAR MARKE LUE, BUT NOT LESS THAN $67,500
-AS DETAILED IN T E XECUTIVE SUMMARY
ltem#16Dl ~
RESOLD 2019-65: THE STATE HOUSING INITIATIVES
PA ~.r IP (SHIP) PROGRAM LOCAL HOUSING
A ~ NCE PLAN FOR FISCAL YEARS 2019-2020, 2020-
f\ND 2021-2022, SIGN ASSOCIATED CERTIFICATIONS,
RE FFIRM THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY
OF NAPLES AND AUTHORIZE SUBMISSION TO THE
FLORIDA HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION
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Item #16D2
ONE (1) SATISFACTION OF MORTGAGE FOR THE STATE
HOUSING INITIATIVES PARTNERSHIP LOAN PROGRAM IN
THE AMOUNT OF $2,500 -IN REGARDS TO PROPERTY
270 WOODPECKER ROAD NAPLES FLORIDA 34108
Item #16D3
RESOLUTION 2019-66: AUTHORIZING THE.....,_...._,,,
OF COUNTY FUNDS ASSOCIATED WIT ~L ~
HEALTHY CHILDREN'S COALITION DU
FUNDRAISER AND WATER SAFETY S VAL SPONSORED
BY THE SAFE AND HEALTHY ¼H 'S COALITION, A
PART OF THE NON-PROFIT N•...-ri~ DATION, TO
INCLUDE COST FOR COUNTY' GUARDS TO STAFF THE
EVENT AND AUTHORIZ E W AIYER OF THE
ENTRANCE FEE TO S LAGOON TO ALL
PARTICIPANTS OF TH REAT DUCK RACE OF NAPLES
AND WATER SAFET F STIVAL COMMUNITY FOR THREE
(3) CONSECU E YEARS AND TO MAKE A FINDING THAT
THIS EXPE T SUBSTANTIALLY SERVES A PUBLIC
PURPOS
T AND EXECUTE A LIBRARY SERVICES AND
TE OLOGY ACT GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,875.12
AND AUTHORIZE THE NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENT
-TO ADD SERVICES AND PROGRAMMING TO ENHANCE
BASIC LIFE SKILLS FOR YOUNG ADULTS
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Item #16D5
SUBMITTAL OF A REVISED 2018 FEDERAL TRANSIT
ADMINISTRATION (PTA) SECTION 5324 EMERGENCY
RELIEF GRANT APPLICATION IN THE AMOUNT OF$
TO REP AIR DAMAGES TO COLLIER AREA TRANSIT~"""
VEHICLES AND FACILITIES AS A RESULT OF HU ~-Y'--"
IRMA, APPROVE THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE
THROUGH THE TRANSIT AW ARD MANAGE,~~,-= SYSTEM
(TRAMS), AND AUTHORIZE THE NECES DGET
AMENDMENT
Item #16D6
RESOLUTION 2019-67: AUTH .,,..,,._..._~:,_,..._NG AND PROVIDING FOR
THE SUBMITTAL OF THE 20 SHIRLEY CONROY
RURAL CAPITAL EQU-"-· SUPPORT GRANT IN THE
AMOUNT OF $79,118 HE FLORIDA COMMISSION FOR
TRANSPORTATION IS DVANTAGEDFORPROCUREMENT
OF ONE (1) FO~J;UTAWAY TRANSIT VEHICLE
~;~
Item #1607 ......_ ~
~lllliirL ENDMENT TO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE,
.. T""wlU-=-r,,. HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE
ESTMENT GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN COLLIER
CO TY AND THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN AND
FAMILIES AND THE CORRESPONDING SUBRECIPIENT
AGREEMENTS BETWEEN COLLIER COUNTY AND DAVID
LAWRENCE MENTAL HEAL TH CENTER, INC., COLLIER
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April 23, 2019
COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND NAMI COLLIER COUNTY -
AS DETAILED IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Item #16D8
A WARD THREE (3) AGREEMENTS FOR REQUEST FO
PROPOSAL (RFP) #18-7383, "MUSEUM EXHIBIT DESI
FABRICATION AND INSTALLATION," TO EXHIB
CONCEPTS, INC., EXPLUS, INC., AND RIGGS Wi~IL..,I , LLC. -
TO PROVIDE FOR CONTINUING DESIGN, F ATION
AND INSTALLATION OF EDUCATIONA I S FOR THE
PUBLIC AT THE COUNTY'S FIVE (5) HIS I AL MUSEUMS
IN NAPLES, MARCO ISLAND, EVER S CITY, AND
IMMOKALEE AS WELL AS ANX O OUNTY DIVISION
THAT MAY NEED THESE SPE ~ D SERVICES
Item #16D9 e,;~
AUTHORIZE THE CHA AN TO SIGN THE COST SHARE
AGREEMENT WITH H PELICAN ISLEY ACHT CLUB, INC.,
TO COMPLET~MAINTENANCE DREDGE OF THE SHARED
CANAL IM [)I~EL Y WEST OF COCOHATCHEE PARK
NOT TO X D $45 000
U GET AMENDMENT RECOGNIZING LOCAL HOUSING
TR ST FUND REVENUE OF $142,052.48 RECEIVED AS A
RESULT OF THE SALE OF COUNTY-OWNED SURPLUS LAND
-IN REGARDS TO A 5-ACRE PARCEL ON MINGO DRIVE
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Item #16El
ONE RECLASSIFICATION TO THE 2019 FISCAL YEAR PAY &
CLASSIFICATION PLAN MADE FROM JANUARY 1, 2019
THROUGH MARCH 31, 2019-RECLASSIFYING A
STRATEGIST WITH NO CHANGE TO THE PAY GRA
Item#16E2 <:')<.;
MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING~ ~)TWEEN
COLLIER COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY O ISSIONERS,
THROUGH THE EMERGENCY MAN-,.._,..-. NT DIVISION,
AND FLORIDA SOUTHWESTER COLLEGE FOR
FACILITY USE DURING TIME CAL EMERGENCY OR
DISASTER-TO UTILIZE CER--.-2-AREAS OF THE CAMPUS
FOR STAGING AND POSSI EFUGE FOR PUBLIC
SAFETY PERSONNEL _.,,........L.../SOURCES AS DIRECTED BY
COLLIEREOC
Item #16E3
AUTHO PENDITURES IN EXCESS OF $50,000 BUT
NOT TO r\~11111.D T.'D $100,000 PER FISCAL YEAR, TO REV RTC,
INC. ALL-MARK RTC, AS A SOLE SOURCE VENDOR
F ET PARTS, REPAIRS AND SERVICES-TO
ENTL Y MAINTAIN COUNTY VEHICLES AND
EQ IPMENT VIA AN APPROVED NETWORK OF VENDORS
AND DEALERSHIPS FOR PARTS, SUPPLIES AND SERVICES
Item #16E4
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ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT PREPARED BY THE
PROCUREMENT SERVICES DIVISION FOR DISPOSAL OF
PROPERTY AND NOTIFICATION OF REVENUE
DISBURSEMENT -ACTIVITIES INCLUDE ON-LINE SAL
THE AMOUNT OF $3,001.01 FOR SURPLUS EQUIPMEN
BOOK VALUE OF SOLD ITEMS WAS $6,669.84). THE ~"''"
$3,200 TRADE-INV ALUE ON DISPOSED EQUIPM
NET BOOK VALUE OF DISPOSED ITEMS WAS
Item # 16E5 't,-,, ~
ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS PREPA D ~y THE
PROCUREMENT SERVICES DIV s ___ __,. R CHANGE ORDERS
AND OTHER CONTRACTUAL !CATIONS REQUIRING
BOARD APPROVAL -AS DET ...... .....,,,,~D IN THE EXECUTIVE
SUMMARY e,;<:;;:
Item #16Fl ~
✓
AUTHORIZE T CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE A SPONSORSHIP
AGREEME N ANNUAL AMOUNT OF $440 ,035
BETWEE C IER COUNTY AND MSNC, LLC D/B/A
FOOTBA IVERSITY FOR 2019 AND 2020 FOOTBALL
UNI ~.....,.,__._y NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS AND MAKE A
F THAT THE SPONSORSHIP EXPENDITURES
OTE TOURISM-AS DETAILED IN THE EXECUTIVE
SUMMARY
Item #16F2
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RESOLUTION 2019-68: APPROVING AMENDMENTS
(APPROPRIATING GRANTS, DONATIONS, CONTRIBUTIONS
OR INSURANCE PROCEEDS) TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2018-19
ADOPTED BUDGET
Item #16F3
INVITATION TO BID (1TB) NO. 19-7533 FOR PURC
DELIVERY OF PINE STRAW MULCH, TO SITE ~_,...,,
EAND
LANDSCAPE SUPPLY AND AUTHORIZE ST ISSUE
STANDARD COUNTY PURCHASE ORDE A QUIRE
THE MULCH -FOR USE BY PELICAN BA VICES
DIVISION WITH AN ESTIMATED A A EXPENDITURE
OF $80 000
Item #16F4 ~
RESOLUTION 2019-69· ~MENDING THE PROPOSED
PROJECT PEAK AS A ALIFIED APPLICANT TO FLORIDA'S
QUALIFIED TARGE yIN USTRY (QTI) TAX REFUND
PROGRAM, P Y IDING UP TO $80,000 OF LOCAL
FINANCIAL P RT FOR AN EXPANSION OF THE
CORPO T ADQUARTERS AND MEDICAL DEVICE
MANUF A G PROJECT WHICH WILL CREATE 80 NEW
JOB LLIER COUNTY FLORIDA
iQ 6Gl
AN AIRPORT AUTHORITY STANDARD FORM LEASE
AGREEMENT WITH CAREER AVIATION FLIGHT TRAINING
& AIRCRAFT RENTAL, HOLDING, LLC FOR OFFICE AND
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April 23, 2019
COUNTER SP ACE AT THE MARCO ISLAND EXECUTIVE
AIRPORT
Item #16G2
THE ATTACHED CHANGE ORDER #2 TO THE HANGA ~
REPAIR CONTRACT WITH ALEN CONSTRUCTION -r.--.a UP,
INC., TO EXTEND THE SCHEDULE PROVIDED ~o
AGREEMENT NO. 18-7332 BY TWENTY-FIVE ~
Item #16G3 't,-,,~
RESOLUTION 2019-70: AUTHORIZIN X~CUTION OF
CONTRACT NO. G1643 WITH T ljE A DEPARTMENT
OF TRANSPORTATION FOR C CTION OF THE
AIRCRAFT APRON AND ASSO ED AIRFIELD SAFETY
IMPROVEMENTS AT MAR LAND EXECUTIVE AIRPORT
Item #16Hl ~
✓
N DESIGNATING MAY 10, 2019 AS APROCLAM
PRESCHOO
COUNTY T
EARLYL
IDER APPRECIATION DAY IN COLLIER
PROCLAMATION WILL BE MAILED TO THE
,_._, ... ING COALITION OF SOUTHWEST FLORIDA
1 -Moved from Item # 16J3 (Per Agenda Change Sheet)
MI CELLANEOUS CORRESPONDENCE
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BOARD OF C OUNTY COMMISSIONERS
MISCELLANEOUS CORRESPONDENCE
April 23 , 2tll9
1. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO FILE FOR RECORD WITH ACTION AS DIRECTED:
A. DISTRICTS:
I) Cedar Hammock Community Development District:
Meeting Agenda 02/11 /2019; 02/25/2019; 03/11/2019
Meeting Minutes 02/l l/2019: 02/25/2019; 03/1 t/2019
2) Heritage Bay Community Develoemcnt District:
Meeting Agenda 12/06/2018; 02/14/2 019
Meeting Minutes 12/06/2018; 02/14/2019
3) Naples Heritage Community Development District:
Meeting Agenda O l /0 8/2019
Meeting Minutes 01 /08 /2019
B. OTHER:
l) Collier County Housi.ng Authority:
Annual Filing Notice
2) CRA Annual Report 2018 Legal Notice:
Notice of the CRA's Annual Report published March 27, 2019
3) Eagle Creek Community Association:
Notice of Annual Meeting (3/26/2019)
4) Legal Notice Code Enforcement Division:
Public Notice regarding Ordinance 2009-08: grmvth of \Vceds or grasses
over 18 im;he s in height published January 13, January 27, February 10 and
February 24, 20 19
5) Lega.l Notice Collier Countv County Attorney's Office :
Notice of Referendum published September 30 and October 14 , 2018
April 23, 2019
Item #16Jl
TO RECORD IN THE MINUTES OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS, THE CHECK NUMBER (OR OTHER
PAYMENT METHOD), AMOUNT, PA YEE, AND PURPOSE
WHICH THE REFERENCED DISBURSEMENTS WERE D
FOR THE PERIODS BETWEEN MARCH 28, 2019 AND ""'l!!!lllil,w
10 2019 PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTE 136.0
Item #16J2
REQUEST THAT THE BOARD APPROVE
VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR INYO
PURCHASING CARD TRANSAC I
Item #1613 -Moved to Item #161 ~ Agenda Change Sheet)
Item #16Kl ~ e,;'\)'
RESOLUTION 2019-7 : APPOINTING A MEMBER TO THE
COLLIER CO Y CITIZEN CORPS -APPOINTING RICHARD
FARMER, R NTING THE CIVIL AIR PATROL, TO FILL
THE RE AI R OF AV ACANT TERM EXPIRING ON
NOVEMB 2022
RE OLUTION 2019-72: APPOINTING A MEMBER TO THE
CONSERVATION COLLIER LAND ACQUISITION ADVISORY
COMMITTEE -APPOINTING MICHELE LENHARD,
ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION EDUCATIONAL
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April 23, 2019
CATEGORY, TO A THREE-YEAR TERM EXPIRING ON
FEBRUARY 11 2022
Item #16K3
SETTLEMENT IN THE LAWSUIT STYLED GARRY SEV
AND FALLOUNE JOSEPH V. COLLIER COUNTY (CA ~,,
18-CA-1080), NOW PENDING IN THE CIRCUIT CO
THE TWENTIETH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND R-0,C,---
COUNTY, FOR THE SUM OF $20,000, AND A
CHAIR TO EXECUTE THE MEMO RAND ...............
SETTLEMENT
ltem#17A • ~°'°
RESOLUTION 2019-73: APPRO ~ AMENDMENTS
(APPROPRIATING CARRY ARD, TRANSFERS AND
SUPPLEMENTAL REV O THE FISCAL YEAR 2018-19
ADOPTED BUDGET
*****
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April 23 , 2019
There being no further business for the good of the County, the
meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 3 :40 p.m.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ~
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS/EX ~
OFFICIO GOVERNING BOARD(S) OF 4
SPECIAL DISTRICTS UNDER ITS CO OL
ATTEST A,~
CRYSTAL K. KINZEL, CLERK ~~,
~~<::r
✓
oved by the Board on _______ , as
or as corrected
-"'1,_....~~ T PREPARED ON BEHALF OF U.S. LEGAL
~, INC., BY TERRI LEWIS, COURT REPORTER AND
YPUBLIC.
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