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April 14, 2009
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EXECIJTIVE SUMMARY
ZLTRA.2009-AR.14174 Mario Castenada represented by Dwight Nadeau of RW A, Inc., is
requesting an appeal of a Zoning Letter, ZL TR.2008-AR-13025. The applicant proposed
to open a retail clothing store in the Mir-Mar PUD (Ordinance No. 98-72) but the
Directors found the use was not allowable per the Golden Gate Area Master Plan and the
Mir-Mar PUD. The subject property is located in Section 27, Township 48 South, Range
27 East, Collier County, Florida. This item requires that anyone who wishes to participate
shall be sworn in and that the Board of County Commissioners sitting as the Board of
Zoning Appeals shall provide the necessary public disclosure.
OBJECTIVE:
Pursuant to the County Codes of Laws and Ordinances, Sec, No. 250-58, the objective of the
appellant's request is to seek a reversal of a zoning letter (ZL TR-2008-AR-13025) regarding the
uses permitted in the Mir-Mar PUD from the Collier County Board of Zoning Appeals (BZA).
In this case, the Board of County Commissioners (Board) will be sitting as the BZA. The BZA
is to review the record of action and to determine if any part of the administrative decision was
inconsistent with the existing Land Development Code (Ordinance No. 04-41 which includes
the Mir Mar PUD, Ordinance No, 98-72) and the Grov.th Management Plan (GMP).
The appeal process is focused specifically on the claims raised by the applicant as they relate to
the Mir Mar PUD and the decision rendered through the zoning letter by staff. The issues here
are whether the denial of the retail clothing store, as rendered by the Director(s) (the
administrative decision) was inconsistent with the existing Land Development Code (LDC), the
Mir Mar PUD and/or the Growth Management Plan,
Should the BZA determine that the denial of the use is contrary to the Land Development Code
or the Growth Management Plan; the Board may overturn the administrative decision to deny
the use. Should the Board find none of the above, the Board shall accept the Director(s) decision
regarding the allowable uses in the Mir Mar PUD,
CONSIDERATIONS:
On November 14, 2008, a public petitIon item was brought before the Board of County
Commissioners regarding the allowable uses in the Mir Mar PUD (Ordinance No. 98.72), The
PUD is located in the Randall Boulevard commercial subdistrict as designated within the Golden
Gate Area Master Plan (GGAMP) and is one of only two PUDs that comprises that subdistrict,
the other being the Randall Boulevard Center PUD (Ordinance No, 86-25). The discussion on
the public petition was, how can the list of allowable uses in the Mir-Mar PUD be expanded
given the fact that the allowable uses per the subdistrict and the PUD are limited and given the
fact that the proposed use of a retail clothing store was deemed impennissible per the PUD
zoning and the GMP, Additionally, a significant amount of the discussion centered around the
"Shopping Center use" which was contained within the list of permitted uses within the PUD,
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Shopping Center is not a land use as classified by the Standard Industrial Classification (SIC)
codes upon which the existing lists of permitted and conditional uses in the LDC are based, A
Shopping Center is merely a collection of these uses (commercial) grouped together, usually on
one site, and characteristically share common parking and other common areas.
The following background may be useful in understanding the evolution of the Mir Mar PUD
and the Randall Boulevard Center PUD which comprise the GMP subdistrict. The Randall
Boulevard Center PUD was approved first, before there ever was a GMP subdistrict on the
property and was approved in accordance with the 1983 Comprehensive Plan, At that time, the
Plan limited the uses to convenience/commercial type uses and ] 3 very specific uses were
adopted in the Randall Boulevard Center PUD,
The 13 uses are:
1, Automobile Service Station without repairs
2. Barber and Beauty Shops
3, Convenience Stores
4. Drug Stores
5. Food Markets
6, Hardware Stores
7. Laundries- self service only
8. Post offices and professional offices
9. Repair Shops - radio, TV, shoes
10, Restaurants not including drive ins
I]. Shopping Center not to exceed 25,000 square feet.
12. Veterinary Clinics - no outside kenneling
13, Child Care Centers (with site plan approval)
In 1989, when the County adopted the present GMP,. the same list of] 3 uses that were approved
in the Randall Boulevard PUD were simply carried over and placed into the new subdistrict
(Randall Boulevard subdistrict) in the Growth Management Plan. That is how the Master Plan
ended up with a very specific list ofland uses (which is a unique occurrence in the Golden Gate
Master Plan). Even the current neighborhood centers, which have a lot of specificity, do not
have this zoning level of a list of allowable uses, The Zoning Ordinance in effect at the time the
Randall Boulevard Cen1er PUD was approved in ] 986 and listed a shopping center as one of the
permitted uses however within the 1986 LDC a shopping center was defined as follows:
Shopping Center: A retail sales/aeility consisting oJfive or more retail outlets or having a gross
floor area of more than 25.000 square/eet, whichever shall apply; exclusive a/supermarkets,
The Mir Mar PUD was approved twelve years afteI the Randall Boulevard POO and is based
upon the same GMP subdistrict. Therefore, those very same uses that were found in the Randall
Boulevard PUD were listed as allowable uses within the Mir Mar PUD, with one exception
(branch banks). The term "shopping center" is not further described or defined in the Mir Mar
PUD document, although Section 2.3 of the PUD document notes that the property can suppOli
20,000 square feet of "commercial shopping center uses" thus no further explanation of how to
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apply the shopping center use is provided. In summary. the PUD reflects the exact uses as noted
by the GMP and that have historically been allowed in the district.
The current definition for shopping center per the LDC Ordinance No. 04-4 I:
Shopping center: A group of unified commercial establishments built on a site which is planned.
developed, owned or managed as an operating unit and related in its location, size, and type of
shops to the trade area that the unit serves. It consists of eight or more retail business or service
establishments containing a minimum total of 20,000 square feet of floor area, No more than 20
percent of a shopping center's floor area can be composed of restaurants without providing
additional parking for the area over 20 percent. A marina, hotel, or motel with accessOlY retail
shops is not considered a shopping center.
The County's addressing record for the property identifies the following businesses as
occupying units in the development (not all of which are necessarily currently operating): a
grocery store, a pizza parlor, a real estate office, office, a florist, an express shipping business, a
truck parts and tire store, a "business center," and a beauty/barber shop,
Any use approved by the Zoning Director as compatible with the provisions andlor intent of the
PUD must also be consistent with the provisions and/or intent of the GGAMP; the Zoning
Director has the authority to interpret the provisions of the LDC, but not the Growth
Management Plan (GMP), Authority to interpret the GMP lies with the Director of the
Comprehensive Planning Department.
The Comprehensive Planning Department has made the determination that only those uses
specifically identified in the GGAMP Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict are consistent
with the provisions and/or intent of the GMP based on the following explanation.
As previously stated, the subdistrict was adopted in the original GGAMP in 1991 along with the
neighborhood center subdistict. It was deliberate to list very specific uses in this subdistrict
rather than list a use range, as was done in the neighborhood center subdistrict in the GGAMP
(allows uses similar to the C.I thru C-3 zoning districts), The Randall Boulevard Center PUD
was approved in 1986 prior to the establishment of the subdistrict. As a result of this pre-
existing PUD, when the Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict was established in the
GGAMP, it simply included the very same specific list of uses allowed in the Randall Boulevard
Center PUD. The Mir-Mar PUD was later approved in 1998, along with a companion petition to
amend the GGAMP Future Land Use Map to expand the subdistrict to include the Mir Mar PUD
site (the Mir Mar property was not located in the district at the time of rezoning). Permitted uses
in the Mir Mar PUD were/are the same as in the adjacent Randall Boulevard Center PUD, except
that there is no 25,000 square feet cap on the shopping center (no such cap exists in the
subdistrict); fast food restaurant is specifically listed (this use is allowed in the subdistrict); and,
branch banks are listed (the subdistrict allows professional oHices - apparently, the BCC at that
time determined a bank is a professional office),
Though we may find it undesirable today to have such a narrow listing in the GMP, staffs
position is we must apply the provisions as written and interpret it as was intended when
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adopted; the alternative which is certainly available to the property owner, is to amend the GMP
Randall Boulevard Subdistrict to expand the uses. The property owner could initiate such an
amendment, or the BCC could direct it (at taxpayer expense); the same would be true for the
necessary subsequent PUD amendment. Staff does not anticipate that they would take issue with
an amendment to broaden the use list into a range comparable to neighborhood centers; however,
that final detennination would have to be made upon official review of an amendment
application, Until that time, it is staffs opinion that the approval of any other uses, including a
family clothing store, would therefore not be allowed, Any uses other than those specifically
identified by the GGAMP/PUD, which were issued Zoning Certificates allowing them to operate
on the property prior to the Comprehensive Planning Manager's determination, will be allowed
to remain until such time as the business ceases to operate, at which time the use will be
discontinued and no Zoning approval will be given to operate a similar business unless the GMP,
and PUD, are amended to allow the use.
Appellant's claims:
The appellant claims that the provisions of the Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict lack
clarity as to what the permitted range of commercial land uses would be in a shopping center,
regardless of what the deflnition of a shopping center was. or is with regard to size, or number of
establishments therein. The appellant also claims that it was the intent of the former Board to
supply the residents with required everyday goods and services at a local level for convenience
oriented shopping and that all of the land uses permitted in the C-2 Convenience Commercial
District should be permitted in the subdistrict.
Staff response:
In reviewing the history of events and the evolution of the Golden Gate Area Master Plan staff
recognizes that the intent of the todav's Neighborhood Area Subdistricts is to provide small-scale
shopping and personal needs of the surrounding residential land uses within convenient travel
distance. However, although it may function as one in some ways, this site is not a
neighborhood subdistrict by definition in the GMP and the LDC. As noted above, the
development approval history indicates that at the time of approval of the Mir Mar PUD in 1998,
the Randall Boulevard Subdistrict clearly only permitted a limited number of very specific land
uses thus limiting the allowable uses that could operate in this district. Consequently, both the
Randall Boulevard PUD and the Mir Mar PUD carried over the GMP language and were
approved pursuant to the requirements of the GMP, as is proper. As to the use of the tenn
"shopping center" as a permitted use, it is meaningless when it comes to distinguishing between
allowable uses, One could argue that a "shopping center" use allows use ranges up to and
including C-5 land uses, which the record shows that it was clearly not the intent of the Randall
Boulevard Subdistrict or the Neighborhood Subdistrict. As the community changes "old"
provisions of the GMP and LDC may no longer serve the community-s present needs; so appears
to be the case with this situation, In order to modify the speciflcity within the district and the
PUD, amendments are required and probably have been needed for some time to address the
changing of the Golden Gate community (the development approval for the Mir Mar PUD is
approximately II years old and the GMP provision is over 17 years old), The last request for a
clothing store was found inconsistent with the GMP and the PUD, thus prompting the owners to
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pursue the appeal for relief from the provisions of the GMP and the PUD. The proper way to
amend the provisions of the PUD is to amend the Golden Gate Area Master Plan then the PUD
through the required public hearing processes to reflect the desired changes.
FISCAL IMP ACT:
As a matter of information the fee for this appeal is $] ,000 plus advertising costs, Approximate
staff time devoted to the processing and analyzing of this appeal request to date has been
approximately] 5 hours excluding the scheduled hearing,
LEGAL CONSIDERA nONS:
In accordance with Section No. 250-58 of the Code of Laws and Ordinances, the Board of
County Commissioners sitting as the Board of Zoning Appeals (BZA) is being asked to review
the administrative decision of County staff pursuant to the contents of the zoning letter. The BZA
shall consider the application of the LDC, the Growth Management Plan and County Ordinances
by staff and shall hear testimony, The BZA shall either affirm the zoning letter or deny the
letter. The BZA may not deny the Zoning letter unless it finds that there is no substantial
competent evidence to support the denial of the proposed use or that the denial is contrary to the
goals, objectives and policies of the GMP or that it does not comply with the requirements of the
LDC or County Ordinances including the applicable PUD Ordinance. This item is quasi-judicial
and as such, it requires ex parte disclosures. A majority vote of the Board is necessary for Board
action--HF AC.
GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN IMPACT:
The Zoning Letter as issued by the Zoning Director is consistent with the County's Growth
Management Plan.
RECOMMENDA nON:
That the BZA uphold the findings and decision of the Zoning Director as stated in the subject
Zoning Letter pursuant to the Mir-Mar PUD, Ordinance No, 98-72 and the Randall Boulevard
Subdistrict ofthe Golden Gate Area Master Plan, and therefore that this appeal request be denied,
Prepared by: Susan M, Istenes, AICP, Zoning Director
David Weeks, AICP, Comprehensive Planning Manager
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COLLIER COUNTY
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
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This Item requires that anyone who wishes to participate shall be sworn in. ZL TRA-2009-AR~
14174 Mario Castenada represented by Dwight Nadeau of RWA, Inc, is requesting an
appeal of ZL TR-2008-AR-13025, The applicant proposed to open a retail clothing store in the
Mir Mar PUD (Ordinance No 98-72) but the Directors found the use was not allowable per
the Golden Gate Area Master Plan and the Mir Mar PUD. The subject property is located in
Section 27, Townstlip 48 South, Range 27 East Collier County, Florida.
4/14/2009900:00 AM
Prepared By
Susan Istenes, AICP
Community Development &
Environmental Services
Zoning & land Development Director
Date
Zoning & Land Development Review
4/1/20094:37:29 PM
Approved By
Judy Puig
Community Development &
Environmental Services
Operations Analyst
Dato
Community Development &
Environmental Services Admin.
4/2/20092:27 PM
Approved By
Joseph K. Schmitt
Community Development &
Environmental Services
Community Development &
Environmental Services Adminstrator
Date
Community Development &
Environmental Services Admin.
4/2/20094:27 PM
Approved By
Heidi F. Ashton
County Attorney
Assistant County Attorney
Date
County Attorney Office
4/212009 4:44 PM
Approved By
Jeff Klatzkow
County Attorney
County Attorney
Date
County Attorney Office
4/3/2009 9:45 AM
Approved By
David Weeks, AICP
Community Development &
Environmental Services
Chief Planner
Date
Comprehensive Planning
4/6120099:33 AM
A pproved By
OMB Coordinator
County Manager's Office
OMS Coordinator
Date
Office of Management & Budget
4/6/2009 11 :25 AM
Approved By
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Mark Isackson
County Manager's Office
Budget Analyst
Date
Office of Management & Budget
4/6/2009 12:18 PM
A pproved By
Leo E. Ochs, Jr.
Board of County
Deputy County Manager
Date
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Commissioners
County Manager's Office
4/7/2009 9:46 AM
January 26, 2009
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ZLTRA-2009-AR-14174 REV: 1
MlR-MAR PUD
PROJECT: 19990112
DA TE: 1/28/09 . DUE: 2/11/09
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Mrs, Susan Istenes, Director
Department of Zoning and Land Development Review
Collier County CDES Division
2800 North Horseshoe Drive
Naples, FL 34104
Re: Appeal of Zoning Verification Letter ZL TR-2008-AR-13025 regarding uses permitted in the
Mir-Mar POO,located in the Randal Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict of the Golden Gate
Area Master Plan
Mrs. Istenes,
On April 18, 2008, your office issued the above-referenced Zoning Verification Letter related to the
opportunity for establishing a retail family clothing store in the existing La Hispana II shopping
center, located in the southwest quadrant of the intersection of the Naples-Immokalee Road (CR-
846) and Randall Boulevard. This Zoning Verification Letter issued to Mr. Mario Castenada, who
was intending to be a lessee for the retail space in the La Hispana II shopping Center, found that the
retail clothing store was not specifically referenced in the Mir-Mar POO, and therefore would not
be permitted, On November 18, 2008, the Board of County Commissioners (the Board) heard a
Public Petition request from Mr. Jose Armando Cabrera and Mrs. Maria Cabrera, who are owners of
the La Hispania II shopping center under the name of PAC; of Collier Inc., to discuss the
opportunities for commercial land uses not specifically permitted by the Mir-Mar POO, Their
discussions with the Board related to requesting permission to establish the same retail clothing
store that was determined not to be allowed as a result of the issuance of the April 18, 2008 Zoning
Verification Letter. At that November 18 Board meeting, the Board directed Staff to research the
history of the Randal Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict (the Subdistrict) of the Golden Gate Area
Master Plan (GGAMP), as well as the Mir-Mar )>UD and return with a recommendation of
alternatives to pursue approval of the desired retail clothing store land use,
December 16,2008, the Board of County Commissioners hcard Staffs reporting on the history of
the commercial subdistrict and POO, and their opinions of how to pursue approval for land uses not
specifically permitted by the Mir-Mar POO_ In Staffs Executive Summary on the matter, three
options were offered to the Board, The first option was to reissue the original April 18, 2008
Zoning Verification Letter to allow the opportunity to appcal Staffs determination to the Board of
Zoning Appeals. The second option was to direct Staff to initiate an Amendment to the Golden
Gate Area Master Plan through the Growth Management Plan Amendment process to add one or
more uses not specifically identified in the Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict, so as to
allow an amendment to the Mir-Mar POO to be pursued to add the one or more land uses provided
for by an approved amendment to the Golden Gate Area Master Plan's Randall Boulevard
Commercial Subdistrict. The third option Staff offered to the Board was to take no action, and let
the property owner follow the provisions of the Land Development Code to pursue a number of
other options. This third option will not be elaborated upon in this letter appeal because the Board
opted for Statrs first recommendation,
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Appeal of Zoning Verification Letter ZLTR-2008-MbUi~~g6
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Following the Board's direction, the original April 18, 2008 Zoning Verification Letter was reissued
on December 30, 2008, and thus this letter is appealing that reissued Zoning Verification Letter.
The reissued Zoning Verification Letter arrives at the same conclusion of the original Zoning
Verification Letter, but with the addition of findings of the Comprehensive Planning Manager not
contained in the original Letter. The conclusion of the reissued Zoning Verification Letter is that
unless the Growth Management Plan is amended to add one or more commercial land uses to the
Randal Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict of the Golden Gate Area Master Plan, no other land uses
would be allowed in the Mir-Mar PUD's La Hispana II shopping center without an amendment to
that POO to add the land uses then permitted in the Randall Boulevard Shopping Center. Staffs
reissued Zoning Verification Letter did conclude that only those 12 specific land uses stated in the
Subdistrict would be permitted to be established in the "shopping center" land use, but did not
provide any guidance as to how to interpret the term shopping center other than what the definition
of a "shopping center" was with respect to minimum and maximum areas were in the changes to the
definition over time, Staff does acknowledge that the with the adoption of the Subdistrict, a specific
list of commercial land uses were included rather than a range of uses by commercial zoning district
reference, as was provided in the Neighborhood Center Subdistrict of the GGAMP,
It is the opinion of the property owner, and Mr. Castenada, for whom this appeal is being written,
that the provisions of the Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict lack clarity as to what the
permitted range of commercial land uses would be in a shopping center, regardless of what the
definition of a shopping center was, or is with regard to size, or number of establishments therein.
Further the appellant contends that a policy decision on the part of the Board of Zoning Appeals
could provide for all land uses permitted in the C-2, Convenience Commercial District to be
allowed in the Subdistrict and Mir-Mar PUD, This opinion is based on the provision for
convenience commercial uses in the Vested Area I of the 1983 Comprehensive Plan that allowed
the adoption of the Randall Boulevard Center PUD, which was the precursor of the Randall
Boulevard Commercial District adopted in 1991 in the GGAMP. The publie reeord shows that the
GGAMP provided for convenience commercial land uses in Vested Area I, and that the land uses
are intended to supply the residents with required everyday goods and services at a local level.
While the criteria for the original establishment of the Randall Boulevard Commercial District was
not carried over from the 1983 Comprehensive Plan to the 1991 Golden Gate Area Master Plan of
the Growth Management Plan, the history still remains that this particular location of the Estates-
Commercial District, in which the Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict now is within, is an
area that is appropriate for limited commercial development to serve the nearby residents' needs for
convenience oriented shopping.
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The Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict in the Golden Gate Area Master Plan provides for
13 specific land uses, including:
I. Automobile Service Station;
2. Barber and Beauty Shops;
3, Child Care Centers;
4. Convenience Stores;
5, Drug Stores;
6_ Food Markets;
7. Hardware Stores;
8. Laundries (Self Serve);
9. Post Offices and Professional Offices;
10. Repair Shops (radio, TV, small appliances
and shoes;
II, Restaurants, including fast food, but not
drive in restaurants;
12. Shopping Center;
13 . Veterinary Clinics, no outside kenneling,
All of the permitted uses in the Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict are permitted in the Mir-
Mar PUD. All of the permitted uses, except shopping center, could be in singular occupancy
buildings, or located in a single, multiple occupancy building, that could function as a shopping
center, but not as specifically defined by the LDC. Understanding this is the first step to
determining if other commercial land uses not specifically referenced by the Subdistrict or the PUD
could be established in the land area encompassing the Subdistrict.
Based on the history of the Subdistrict, the Randall Boulevard Center PUD, and the Mir-Mar PUD,
it stands to reason that should the Board of Zoning Appeals find that further economic diversity is
appropriate for this particular intersection, that all of the land uses permitted in the C-2,
Convenience Commercial District should be permitted in the Subdistrict.
It is relatively easy to compare the intended character of the Plan's Neighborhood Centers with the
Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict. The similarities include that they are both at
intersections of roadways that feed into the Urban Area of the community; and they both are to
provide convenience commercial land uses for the immediate needs of the residents of the area_ The
major difference between a Neighborhood Center and the Randall Boulevard Commercial
Subdistrict is that the Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict is within the Estates-Commercial
District, where Neighborhood Centers are within the Estates-Mixed Use District. This distinction is
unique, in that it would be usually be appropriate to describe the intent of the District, and include
similar language to guide the establishment of proposed commercial subdistricts as is provided for
in the Estates.Mixed Use District for utilization ofthe Neighborhood Centers already established on
the GGAMP Future Land Use Map. Specifically, the Plan establishes criteria for Neighborhood
Centers that in part states:
"Commercial uses shall be limited to intermediate commercial so as to provide for a wider variety
of goods and services in areas that has a higher degree of automobile traffic, These uses shall be
similar to C-l, C-2, or C-3 zoning districts outlined in the Collier County Land Development
Code..."
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Looking to LDC Section 2,03,02,B, the description of the C-2, Commercial Convenience District in
part states:
"The purpose and intent of the commercial convenience district "C-2" is to provide lands where
commercial establishments may be located to provided the small-scale shopping and personal
needs of the surrounding residential land uses within convenient travel distance except to the
extent that office uses carried forward from the C-I district will expand the traditional
neighborhood size, However. the intent of this district is that retail and service uses be of a nature
that can be economically supported by the immediate residential environs. Therefore, the uses
should allow for goods and services that households require on a daily basis, as opposed to those
goods and services rhose households seek for the most favorable economic price and, therefore.
require much larger trade areas, It is intended that the C-2 district implements the Collier county
GMP within those areas designated agriculturaVrural; estates neighborhood center district of the
Golden Gate Master Plan; '" "
As stated factually previously in this appeal, all of the land uses permitted in the Mir-Mar PUD are
able to function either in single-occupancy structures, or aggregated into a multiple occupancy
structures as is that case with both the Randall Boulevard Center PUD and the Mir-Mar PUD, While
the La Hispana II shopping center is not a shopping center as currently defined by the LDC, it is a
multiple occupancy structure that is providing the convenience commercial shopping opportunities
for the residents of the area, and a apparel store, or similar permitted C-2 land use would not be an
inappropriate land use in the Subdistrict. On behalf of the appellant, it is requested that the Board
of Zoning Appeals establish policy that all C-2, Convenience Commercial land uses are permitted
within the Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict. Further, the appellant requests that the Board
of Zoning Appeals also establish by policy that the C.2, Convenience Commercial District land uses
are also permitted within the Mir-Mar PUD.
We request that a public hearing before the Board of Zoning Appeals be scheduled so that this
matter can be brought forward for resolution.
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Dwight Nadeau,
Planning Manager
Enclosures: Re-issued Zoning Verification Letter ZLTR-2008-AR-13025
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COLLIER COUNTY GOVERNMENT--
Community Development and Environmental Services Division
Department of Zoning and Land Development Review
2800 North Horseshoe Drive' Naples, Florida 34104
December 30, 2008
Mr. Mario Castenada
2730 Oil Well Road
Naples, FL 34120
ZLTRA-2009-AR-14174 REV: 1
MIR-MAR PUD
PROJECT: 19990112
DATE: 1/28/09 DUE: 2/11/09
Re:Re-issue of Zoning Verification Letter ZLTR.2008-AR-13025, regarding uses
permitted in the Mir-Mar Planned Unit Development, located at the intersection of
Immokalee Road and Randall Boulevard, Folio number 37744040001, in Section 27
Township 48 South, Range 27 East, Collier County, Florida
Dear Mr. Castenada:
In your application dated March II, 2008, you ask if a retail family clothing store would
be a permitted use in the Mir-Mar Planned Unit Development. The subject property is
zoned PUD (Mir-Mar, Ordinance No. 98-72) and is the site of a multi-unit commercial
development, La Hispana # 2, approved by Site Development Plan SOP 99. I 16,
The Mir-Mar PUD identifies only sixteen permitted uses, Fifteen of these identify
specific commercial businesses (thirteen listed uses with multiple uses listed under
section 3.3 A,9 and 3.3A.lO). The sixteenth use (# 12 on the list of permitted uses) is
noted as "shopping centeL" This term is not further described or defincd in the PUD
document. although Section 2.3 of the PUD document notcs that the property can support
20,000 square feet of "commercial shopping center uses." The County's addressing
record for the property identifies the following businesses as occupying units in the
development (not all of which are necessarily currently operating): a grocery store, a
pizza parlor, a real estate office, office, a florist, an express shipping business, a truck
parts and tire store, a "business center," and a beautylbarber shop,
The uses identified' by the PUD, as described above, reflect exactly those identified in the
Collier County Growth Management Plan's Golden Gate Area Master Plan (GGAMP),
Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict, ex~ept for "branch banks;" apparently, that
use was viewed as a professional office use at the time of rezoning approval. Any use
approved by the Zoning Director as compatible with the provisions andlor intent of the
PUD must also be consistent with the provisions and/or intent of the GGAMP; the
Zoning Director has the authority to interpret the provisions of the LOC, but not the
Growth Managcment Plan (GMP), Authority to interpret the GMP lies with the Director
of the Comprehensive Planning Department.
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Agenda Item No, 7A
April 14, 2009
Page 13 of 120
The Comprehensive Planning Manager in the Comprehensive Planning Department has
made the determination that only those uses specifically identified in the GGAMP
Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict are consistent with the provisions and/or
intent of the GMP based on the following explanation. 'This subdistrict was adopted in
the original GGAMP in 1991 as well as the neighborhood center subdistrict. It was
deliberate to list very specific uses in this subdistrict rather than list a use range, as was
done in the neighborhood center subdistrict in the GGAMP (allows uses similar to the C-
I thru C.3 zoning districts, The Randall Boulevard Center PUD was approved in 1986;
when the Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict was established in the GGAMP, it
simply included the very same specific list of uses allowed in that PUD, The Mir-Mar
PUD was approved in 1998, along with a companion petition to amend the GGAMP
Future Land Use Map to expand the Subdistrict to include the Mir Mar site, Permitted
uses in the Mir Mar PUD werelare the same as in the adjacent Randall Boulevard Center
PUD, except that there is no 25,000 square feet cap on the shopping center (no such cap
exists in the subdistrict); fast food restaurant is specifically listed (this use is allowed in
the subdistrict); and, branch banks are listed (the subdistrict allows professional offices -
apparently, the BCC at that time determined a bank is a professional office). Though we
may fmd it undesirable today to have such a narrow listing in the GMP, I believe we must
interpret it as was intended when adopted; the alternative is to amend the Subdistrict.
The property owner could initiate such an amendment, or the BCC could direct it (at
taxpayer expense); the same would be true for the necessary subsequent PUD
amendment. I do not anticipate that the Comprehensive Planning staff would take issue
with an amendment to broaden the use list into a range comparable to neighborhood
centers; however, that final determination would have to be made upon official review of
an amendment application.
Approval of any other uses, including a family clothing store, would therefore not be
allowed. Any uses other than those specifically identified by the GGAMPIPUD, which
were issued Zoning Certificates allowing them to operate on the property prior to the
Comprehensive Planning Manager's determination, will be allowed to remain until such
time as the business ceases to operate, at which time the use will be discontinued and no
Zoning approval will be given to operate a similar business unless the GMP, and PUD,
are amended to allow the use.
Please be advised that the information presented in this verification letter is based on the
Collier County Land Development Code andlor Growth Management Plan in effect as of
this date, It is possible that subsequent amendment(s) to either of these documents could
affect the validity of this verification letter, It is also possible that development of the
subject property could be affected by other issues not addressed in this letter, such as, but
not limited to, concurrency related to the provision of adequate public facilities,
environmental impact, and other requirements of the Collier County Land Development
Code or related ordinances, The determination made in this letter is appealable within 30
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days of the date of this letter pursuant to the Collier County Codes of Laws and
Ordinances, See, No. 250-58, by filing the appropriate application and fee.
Should you require further infonnation please do not hesitate to call me at (239) 252-
2464.
Sincerely,
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Susan M, Istenes, AICP, Director
Department of Zoning and Land Development Review
cc. Ross Gochenaur, Site Plan Review Manager
David Weeks, AICP, Comprehensive Planning Manager
Dwight Nadeau, R W A, Inc.
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EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Recommendation that Board of County Commissioners approves Option 3 and takes no
action on Public Petitioner's request to change allowable uses in the Randall Boulevard
Commercial Subdistrict within the Golden Gate Area Master Plan and the Mir Mar pun.
OBJECTIVE:
For the Board of County Commissioners (BCC) to discuss the allowable uses in the Randall
Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict and the Mir Mar PUD, then provide staff direction as deemed
appropriate. Options are provided on pages four and five,
CONSIDERATIONS:
On November 18,2008, the BCC heard a public petition (agenda item 6E.) by Jose Armando
and Maria Cabrera regarding allowable uses in the Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict
within the Golden Gate Area Master Plan (GGAMP), and the Mir Mar PUD that is located in
that subdistrict. The petitioners expressed interest in adding clothinglshoe store, made reference
to martial arts studio as well, asked how to go about expanding the uses in the Subdistrict, and
inquired about the discrepancy between the number of uses (13) listed in the Mir Mar PUD and
the number of uses (16) stated in the zoning verification letter dated April 18, 2008, After some
discussion about the process necessary to allow additional commercial uses, the BCC directed
staff to return with more information.
In response to the discrepancy in number of uses, staff notes that the Mir Mar PUD lists thirteen
principal uses (1-13) but some numbered uses actually consist of more than one use, thus staff
derived a higher number of uses permitted, For example, #10 in the Mir Mar PUD reads:
"Repair Shops - Radio, TV, Small Appliances and Shoes," Since shoe repair is unrelated to the
other repair uses, it was considered a separate use by staff.
In response to the necessary procedures to expand commercial uses in the Subdistrict, it is
relevant to know the background of the subdistrict and the two PUDs approved therein,
Backl!round
In 1986, the :!:5-acre Randall Boulevard Center PUD was approved - for thirteen principal uses -
in accordance with a provision in the 1983 Comprehensive Plan for convenience commercial
uses in the "Vested Area I" designation [Golden Gate Estates] (see attached), The provision
included criteria that read, in part: "its uses are considered the lowest level order of goods and
services such as convenience stores and gas stations" and "the service area is generally
considered as the surrounding area within a radius of two miles," Later, in explaining the five
types of commercial allowed the 1983 Plan stated: "The second commercial use identified by
this Plan is convenience commercial as described in the Vested Area, These uses are intended to
supply the resident with required everyday goods and services at a local level." Finally, in
describing uses allowed in the Community Nodes provision, the Plan states: "The permitted uses
may include some Convenience/Neighborhood goods as well as the sale of wearing apparel,
appliances and other general retail commercial goods and professional activities,"
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In 1989, the present comprehensive plan a/kIa Growth Management Plan (GMP) was adopted; it
included a policy providing for the preparation and adoption of a master plan for the Golden
Gate area.
In 1991, the GGAMP was adopted. It established the Randall Boulevard Commercial District
applicable only to the site of the Randall Boulevard Center PUD, The criteria from the 1983
Plan were not adopted as there was no reason to do so; this new District allowed only the same
specific list of thirteen uses as contained in that PUD thus that PUD remained consistent with the
comprehensive plan, A new provision, Neighborhood Center Subdistrict, was established in the
GGAMP to allow for additional commercial zoning and development in Golden Gate Estates,
In 1998, a small scale GMP amendment was adopted to expand the District by 2.38 acres and a
companion rezone petition was approved establishing the Mir Mar PUD on that 2.38-acre parcel.
The permitted uses in the Mir Mar PUD were the same as those specifically listed in the
subdistrict, except "branch banks" were included with "professional offices" (the subdistrict
allowed professional offices - apparently, the BCC at that time determined a bank is a
professional office use),
Subsequently, GMP amendments have been approved to: add a specific buffer requirement;
delete child care center use; change the name from a District to a Subdistrict; and, add the legal
description of all parcels within the Subdistrict.
Ordinance No, 82-2, the 1982 zoning ordinance, was in effect at the time the 1983
comprehensive plan was adopted, when the Randall Boulevard Center PUD was approved, and
when the GGAMP was adopted, "Shopping center" was listed as a permitted principal use in the
C-2 through C-5 zoning districts and was defined as: "A retail sales facility consisting of five (5)
or more retail outlets or having a gross floor area of more than 25,000 square feet, whichever
shall apply; exclusive of supermarkets." In the C.2 zoning district, a shopping center was limited
to a maximum of 25,000 square feet. A shopping center was only allowed to contain the uses
listed in the zoning district in which it was located. For example, in the C-3 zoning district, a
shopping center could only contain uses allowed in the C-3 zoning district; C-4 and C-5 uses
would not be allowed. Likewise, in the Randall Boulevard Center PUD (and Mir Mar PUD), a
shopping center could only contain the uses permitted in that PUD.
Though the definition of shopping center is different in the Land Development Code (LDC) than
in the 1982 zoning ordinance, it still is a structure of a certain size containing a certain number of
establishments within; the LDC does not list shopping center as a use within zoning districts.
Shopping center is defined in the LDC as: "A group of unified commercial establishments built
on a site which is planned, developed, owned or managed as an operating unit and related in its
location, size, and type of shops to the trade area that the unit serves. It consists of eight or more
retail business or service establishments containing a minimum total of 20,000 square feet of
floor area. No more than 20 percent of a shopping center's floor area can be composed of
restaurants without providing additional parking for the area over 20 percent. A marina, hotel, or
motel with accessory retail shops is not considered a shopping center."
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in the 1982 zoning ordinance, the lowest intensity zoning district allowing a clothing store was
the C-3 zoning district (permitted in the C-2 zoning district in today's LDC). That use was not
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consistent with the convenience commercial provision in the 1983 Plan under which the Randall
Boulevard Center PUD was approved, Similarly, it is staffs position today that a clothing store
is not consistent with the Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict, nor is it allowed in either
of the PUDs, A clothing store does not meet the original GMP provision intent - it is not a
convenience commercial use - and it is not one of the uses specifically listed in the Subdistrict
and PUD,
In addition to the reference to martial arts studio at the November 18 BCC hearing, there was a
public petition (item 6A.) on the January 15, 2008 agenda by Mr. Jorge Trincado regarding the
allowance ofthis use in the Mir Mar PUD, At that time, the BCC took no action, Subsequently,
staff and Commissioner Coletta met with Mr. Trincado, at which time various options were
discussed, including seeking another location, Staff believes that Mr. Trincado sought another
location; he has not pursued any of the regulatory options,
In the 1982 zoning ordinance, the lowest intensity zoning district allowing a martial arts studio
was the C-3 zoning district, and this may have required a provisional (now conditional) use
(permitted in the C-3 zoning district in today's LDC), That use was not consistent with the
convenience commercial provision in the 1983 Plan, Similarly, it is staffs position today that a
martial arts studio is not consistent with the Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict, nor is it
allowed in either of the PUDs, A martial arts studio does not meet the original GMP provision
intent - it is not a convenience commercial use - and it is not one of the uses specifically listed in
the Subdistrict and PUD,
Below is a chart identifying the uses allowed in the Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict
and the two PUDs located therein,
Randall Blvd. Commercial Randall Blvd. Center puo Mir Mar PUO (1998)
Subdistrict (1991) (1986)
1 automobile service station automobile service automobile service station
stations without
repairs
2 barber and beauty shops barber and beauty barber and beauty shops
shops
3 child care centers' child care centers child care centers
4 convenience stores convenience stores convenience stores
5 druq stores druq stores druq stores
6 food markets food markets food markets
7 hardware stores hardware stores hardware stores
8 laundries - self service laundries - self service laundries - self service only
only only
9 post offices and post offices and post offices, and
professional offices professional offices professional offices
(Including branch banks)
1 repair shops - radio, TV, repair shops - radio, repair shops - radio, TV,
0 small appliances and TV, small appliances small appliances and shoes
shoes and shoes
1 restaurants, including fast restaurants - not restaurants, including fast
1 food restaurants but not including drive- ins food restaurants, but not
drive- in restaurants d rive- in restau rants
1 shoppinq center shoppinq center - not shonpina center
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2 to exceed 25,000
square feet
1 veterinary clinics with no veterinary clinics - no veterinary clinics with no
3 outside kennelina outside kenneling outside kennelina
* Child care center use deleted from the Subdistrict in 2003
Present
It is unique, and generally undesirable, to have such a specific listing of allowable uses in the
GMP as exists in the Randall Boulevard Commercial Subdistrict; the above history explains how
this came about, dating back to 1983, The process to expand the allowable uses in the
Subdistrict is to amend it via a GMP amendment. Conceivably, the uses from the C-I through
C-3 zoning districts could be allowed, similar to the Neighborhood Center Subdistrict in the
GGAMP. Typically, the property owner would initiate such an amendment, but the BCC could
direct staff to initiate it for the benefit ofthe owner (at taxpayer expense), Subsequent to a GMP
amendment, the Mir Mar PUD would need to be amended to expand the list of permitted uses.
To determine whether an individual use is allowed, a request for an Official Interpretation may
be filed. Also, a zoning verification letter may be requested, ,?oth are appealable to the Board of
Zoning Appeals.
The Zoning Director is the only authorized official to interpret the Collier County Land
Development Code (LDC) which includes the official zoning map. (The Comprehensive
Planning Director is charged with interpreting the Growth Management Plan.) An Official
interpretation of the LDC is governed by subsection 1O,02.02,F, and can be described as a
process whereby an eligible applicant presents a specific set of facts, in writing, relative to a
specific property and asks the Zoning Director to render an official opinion (interpretation) of the
LDC regulations applicable to that stated set of facts. The Zoning Director renders the opinion
to the applicant in writing; public notice of the letter is published in a local newspaper and notice
is mailed to surrounding property owners. There is a 30-day appeal process available to affected
parties (see subsection 10,02.02,F, of the LDC). An appeal of the Zoning Director's
interpretation can be made to the Board of Zoning Appeals (BZA) provided an application for
appeal is received within 30-days of the last notice date, If the opinion is not appealed, the
Zoning Director's decision stands unless and until the LDC is amended, There is a limit to the
number of questions an applicant can ask in one request. (See subsection 10,02.02.F, of the
LDC, attached,)
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A zoning verification letter is a service the Zoning Department provides whereby an applicant
can get written confirmation of the zoning regulations or zoning status of a property in effect at
the time of the request. In summary, it is a restatement of the verifiable facts pursuant to the
zoning designation of a property as governed by the LDC. In preparing a zoning verification
letter, Zoning staff may consult Comprehensive Planning staff when needed, Since a zoning
verification letter constitutes a determination of an administrative official, it may be appealed to
the BZA, within 30 days of that administrative decision, pursuant to Section 250-58 of the Code
of Laws and Ordinances (see administrative appeal application, attached). ln response to such a
request earlier this year, asking if a retail family clothing store would be a permitted use in the
Mir Mar PUD, a zoning verification letter was issued on April 18, 2008, advising that use would
not be permitted (attached). That "administrative detenllination" was not appealed.
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BCC ODtions
1. BCC could direct staff to re-issue the April 18, 2008 zoning verification letter (see attached
draft letter, dated December 16, 2008), The applicant would then have another opportunity
to file an Appeal of that staff detennination to the BZA.
2. BCC could direct staff to initiate a GMP amendment (to add one or more uses), If
successful, the applicant would then need to submit a subsequent PUD amendment petition,
3. BCC could take no action, The applicant would then have four options:
a. Request a second zoning verification letter, and then submit an Appeal of that staff
detennination to the BZA.
b, Submit a Request for Official Interpretation, and then submit an Appeal of the staff
detennination to the BZA.
c, Submit a GMP amendment petition (to add one or more uses) and, if successful, submit a
subsequent PUD amendment petition,
d, Take no further action on the use at this location,
LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS:
This executive summary has been reviewed and approved for legal sufficiency by the county
attorney's office, This item is not quasi-judicial and as such, it does not require ex parte
disclosure, A majority vote of the Board is necessary to take action,--HF AC
FISCAL IMP ACT:
To research this issue, prepare a draft modified zoning verification letter, and write and review
this Executive Summary, cost approximately $1,200, based upon staff time expended,
There are no fiscal impacts to Collier County for the first and third options above, The fiscal
impact for option two above could vary widely (due to variability in proportionate share of legal
ad costs), but one ballpark estimate would be $7,500, In effect, the $16,700 application fee
would be waived and staff, rather than the applicant/owner, would prepare the text amendment
and compile/generate the necessary supporting data and analysis; and, County (taxpayer) funds
would pay for: the proportionate share of legal advertising costs (total legal ad costs for the GMP
amendment cycle is about $30,000, which is divided among the petitioners in the given
amendment cycle), and the cost to have a notice of public hearing sign posted on the property,
and the cost to advertise for, and secure a facility for, the required neighborhood information
meeting. Additionally, though staff does not believe there would be any statutory compliance
issues upon adoption of the GMP amendment, should such arise, the County would bear full cost
of defending the amendment and/or negotiating for settlement and implementing the settlement
agreement (itselflikely to be a GMP amendment),
GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN (GMPl IMP ACT:
There is no Grov.1h Management Plan impact in discussing this issue and considering the options
noted herein, Any subsequent public hearing petition (GMP amendment, Appeal of an Official
Interpretation, Appeal of an Administrative decision - Zoning Verification Letter) would be
reviewed for consistency with the GMP by the BCC at the time the petition is heard,
RECOMMENDATION:
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Staff recommends the Board take no action (option #3, above).
PREPARED BY: David Weeks, AICP, Planning Manager, Comprehensive Planning Dept.
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November 18, 2008
through Imperial Golf Estates.
Why is this so God darn difficult? Sit down with them. See if you
can get them to drop the stupid lawsuit, start putting their money that
they have back into their association and make themselves whole
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agam.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Any further discussion on the motion?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: No.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Seeing none, all in favor of the
motion, signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Motion carries unanimously.
The next item is?
MR. MUDD: No more time certains, sir.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: We're going back to public petitions.
Item #6B
PUBLIC PETITION REQUEST BY JOSE ARMANDO AND
MARIA CABRERA TO DISCUSS "SHOPPING CENTER"
WITHIN A PUD - BRING BACK TO THE DECEMBER 16, 2008
BCC MEETING - APPROVED
MR. MUDD: This brings us back to public petition 6B. A public
petition request by Jose Armando and Maria Cabrera to discuss a
shopping center within a PUD.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: You can call us later on. We have
another process going on.
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November] 8, 2008
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: There may be some of these
public petitions we'll have to move forward to another day. I'm not too
sure if they're here. Could you announce it one more time?
MR. MUDD: The next item on the agenda is Item 6B. It's a
public petition request --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. They're here.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Can we calm down in the back there
or take it outside, please?
MR. MUDD: And I believe Jose Armando and Maria Cabrera are
here for --
MS. CABRERA: Good afternoon, and thank you for your time.
We, my husband and I, have a commercial zoned building at Golden
Gate Estates that has three empty units for the past two years. Because
of the limited usages of approved businesses under the PUD
requirements, businesses in this community have not been able to
open as others close due to this economy.
Last year a new tenant had acquired all his permits required from
the county to open a new clothing/shoe store. After all plans had been
approved and he had invested a large amount of money from his
savings to purchase his merchandise, ready to open, county did not
approve his occupational license.
Same situation with another individual that had planned and
invested his savings to open an after-school karate school program to
service students from Corkscrew Elementary and middle, Sabal Palm
and Estates elementary. After passing all fire inspections and
preparing this unit as indicated in his requirements, passing the fire
inspections, paying all those fees to county, occupational license was
not approved because it wasn't listed under the PUD as permitted uses;
however, a letter addressed to one of those tenants dated April 18th,
2008, states 16 uses instead of our approval letter of 13, which are the
other three retail stores approved.
Commissioners, what is our next step to expand the list of
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allowance -- allowable commercial uses in this subdistrict to correlate
with zoning districts that allow uses similar to those already allowed
in the subdistrict? What are your recommendations to allow our
commercial building to be able to fully operate and help us pay our
high taxes, insurance, and mortgage costs, helping create more jobs
for some unemployed citizens that are hurting in this economy and
bringing more services to the community? Thank you.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Commissioner Coletta? I had already
called on him.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Yep.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah. Thank you so much for
coming out. And my apologies for the day dragging out so long. I bet
you this has been a learning experience for you?
MS. CABRERA: Yes, it has, and I commend you for all your
work.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, thank you, thank you.
What you're bringing up is an issue that's come before us several
times, and I do think there's got to be a simple answer. The fact that
we have PUDs that are created with specific uses in them, that's to
protect the residents that are out there; however, there's other uses that
are out there that are, what do you want to call them, nonthreatening in
any way.
I think that the commission should be able to come up with a
simpler process to be able to give consideration rather than going
through a variance process, and I'd like to ask Jeff Klatzkow, our
county attorney, for a little bit of guidance on this. Did I catch you by
surprise on this?
MR. KLATZKOW: No, no. Your problem here is not with the
PUD. The problem is with the Compo Plan, and the problem comes
when you get very specific in your Compo Plans. You sort of
hamstring yourself, and that's where we are right now.
You've got a Compo Plan with very limited uses in it that was
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approved. The POO's basically a cut-and-paste job with the Compo
Plan, and now these poor people are stuck with it, and there is no
shortcut.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, let's talk about that for a
minute. How can we go about changing the rules and regulations in a
way that possibly a supermajority up here might be able to give an
approval for something that's used actually like a clothing store,
something that has no serious impact on the neighbor and would be
able to offer a service that they're looking for?
I don't think we would have had a problem at all with the karate
studio going in, you know. I think that would have been a tremendous
use and probably been well attended and given a lot of your youth a
wonderlUlopportunity.
The shortsightedness of the person that put the PUD together
years ago is being reflected now. Is there some way that we might be
able to come up with some plan to put into effect and still have a
public process that would be there, be able to get there without
spending a lot of money or tremendous amount of time.
MR. KLA TZKOW: Commissioner, I don't know how you would
amend the Compo Plan without a fairly extensive public process. I
mean, I think the lesson to be learned here is, keep the Compo Plans
general and leave the specificities for the PUDs.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. Well, needless to say, I
was hoping for a much different answer.
MR. KLATZKOW: I know you were, sir. I'm sorry.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: No. There's no advice that you
can give to the petitioner as to what they could do as their next step?
MR. KLA TZKOW: You have to seek a Compo Plan amendment.
MS. CABRERA: Right, but the Compo Plan amendment requires
$30,000 plus a $16,000 application fee, which nothing is guaranteed,
you know.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And I mean, I've been against
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this before with impact fees, trying to put a business into one of my
commercial establishments, and it would have required another
$30,000 in impact fees for that particular business to go in. It wasn't
economically feasible. You couldn't write it off against the three- or
five-year lease.
Commissioner Fiala's got the answer.
MS. CABRERA: I hope so.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: I think I might be able to help out. The
Compo Plan allows shopping centers.
MR. KLATZKOW: That's correct. Staffhas interpreted that in a
certain manner, however.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Pardon me?
MR. KLATZKOW: There's a staff interpretation as to what the
shopping center means in this particular --
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Within the comprehensive plan?
MR. KLATZKOW: Yes.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Who is that staff member that made
that?
MR. KLATZKOW: I believe -- and Joe can correct me ifI1m
wrong -- it was David Weeks.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: I see where Commissioner
Henning's going.
MR. SCHMITT: For the record, Joe Schmitt, your administrator
of community development, environmental services division.
On the visualizer, LDC definition defines what a shopping center
is. Why this PUD used a term shopping center, we still don't know. It
was used when it was -- it was through the history of this Compo Plan
amendment as well.
This goes back -- the last time this POD was amended -- I have
the POD -- it's actually ordinance 98-72. And one ofthe uses, use --
on 3.3A, subparagraph 12, says, shopping center, and shopping center
was defIned on this sheet, and I'll read it. I have to pull it to read it.
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The -- a group of unified commercial establishments built on site
which has planned development owned or managed as an operating
unit and related in its location, size, and type of shops to the trade area
that the unit serves. It consists of eight or more retail businesses or
service establishments containing a minimum of 20,000 square feet of
floor area. No more than 20 percent of the shopping center's floor area
can be composed of restaurants without providing additional parking
for over -- for the area over 20 percent. A marina, hotel, or motel with
accessory retail shops is not considered a shopping center.
Basically the shopping center is a term of art that is used to
define what exists out there today.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: So wait a minute. It's in the Compo
Plan that shopping center is allowed. It's in the PUD that shopping
center --
MR. SCHMITT: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: -- is allowed. So where is the
problem? I mean, I've seen dress shops in shopping centers,
MR. KLA TZKOW: Maybe I can get you somewhere, sir.
Joe, was there a zoning verification --
MR. SCHMITT: Yes. I was going to go into that. There was a --
there was a zoning letter issued back in April 17th. I think: that the best
way that they had gone about this is to appeal that zoning letter,
zoning verification letter. The applicant came in and asked for a
zoning verification letter. The best way would have been to appeal
that letter to present to you the facts behind this.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Well, let's go over this letter.
MR. SCHMITT: Well--
CHAIRMAN HENNING: First of all, we know that Ross
Gochenaur can't opine on the GMP, okay.
MR. SCHMITT: All I have is a file copy. There was a copy
signed by -- this is a zoning verification letter signed by Susan Istenes.
It is -- it is staff research signed offby Susan Istenes. I do not have the
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original. This is just the file copy.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Turn the page back.
MR. SCHMITT: Yes.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: All right. I guess what I read here,
basically the property cannot support 20,000 square feet of
commercial shopping center use. That's what I see out of that.
MR. SCHMITT: That is correct.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: And, again, the county manager has
told me that the only one that interprets the GMP is Randy Cohen.
MR. SCHMITT: That's correct. That's the comprehensive
planning director.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: So you're not going to get that out of a
zoning verification letter.
MR. SCHMITT: The comprehensive planning manager provided
the input to this to the zoning director. This was included, both a
review from the comprehensive planning director as well as the zoning
director with -- the input related to the Growth Management Plan, and
it goes on to state --
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Hang on. He didn't sign it. There's not
a signature place for him to sign it. So it tells me that there's problems
down there. You know, different departments need to sign, and there's
a specific reason why I want to ask that.
MR. SCHMITT: Well, this is a zoning verification letter,
Commissioner. It has to do with what is allowed by the PUD.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: So my question is, what I see is, the
problem, he can't support 20,000 square feet of commercial on that
site out of that zoning verification letter.
MR. SCHMITT: That's correct.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: But he is being assessed and taxed on
20,356 square feet from the property appraiser. We are collecting
taxes on this property with more than 20,000 square feet.
MR. SCHMITT: Okay.
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CHAIRMAN HENNING: I have the property card and I have
what you can - a resident can get off the Internet. So if the objection
whether -- I don't know -- nobody needs to answer this. Whether he
has 20,000 square feet, I don't care, but government is taxing his
property, assessing his property for 20,000 square feet. So if that's the
problem, then somebody needs to let go of that real quick.
But also I want to say, in the LDC section 2.03.02.B it states, the
intent of the C2 district implemented in the Collier County Growth
Management Plan within the area designated agricultural, rural Estates
neighborhood center districts of the Golden Gate Master Plan and the
neighborhood center, the districts of the Immokalee master plan, and
the mixed-use district of the Future Land Use Element permits the --
permitted in accordance of locational criteria for commercial in the
goals, objectives, and policies intended for the Future Land Use
Element in the GMP.
So it's saying that the C-2 zoning district is permitted in the
subdistricts in the Golden Gate master plan. And I know for a fact in
the C-2 zoning district you can have a dress shop. You can have a lot
more than a dress shop.
So I think what your staff has done has taking (sic) a narrow look
on the board's ordinances and rules, and they need to take another look
at it. And furthermore, I believe, that the board needs to clarifY in
shopping centers that C-2 and C-3 uses are allowed.
MR. SCHMITT: This is a PUD though. It's not a -- it's not a
straight zoning district. It's zoned PUD. And the PUD--
CHAIRMAN HENNING: You know, here's the thing. All
throughout Collier County businesses are exiting out of the county and
here you've got a place in the county that you want -- they want
businesses.
MR. SCHMITT: I understand.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: They need businesses.
MS. CABRERA: We want to create jobs also.
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CHAIRMAN HENNING: So, you know, instead of fighting us,
why don't you tell us how we're going to get there.
MR. SCHMITT: Commissioner, I -- I would support them going
out there today. I'm just trying to define the rules and regulations that
are in your code.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Do you need a motion, Mr. Klatzkow?
MR. KLATZKOW: Commissioner, I think I see where the
board's going. We need to get this before the Board of Zoning
Appeals. I'd like to come back next meeting with a mechanism that
they can get to the Board of Zoning Appeals relatively cheaply so that
the Board of Zoning Appeals could decide what is meant by this.
MR. SCHMITT: We need to bring back the background on the
GMP, the amendments to the GMP, how this GMP was created. If you
want to -- it's your GMP, it's our GMP, and our LDC.
All we're trying to do is make sure that the rules are enforced as
written. If you want to modify these rules, you want to provide us
different guidance, then certainly we'll move forward with it.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: I want to make it happen because
there is a need out in Golden Gate Estates. If that's the vehicle, I'll
make that motion.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Second.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Bring it back?
CHAIRMAN HENNING: To bring it back to the BZA.
MR. SCHIMMEL: I don't think it will be the next meeting.
Those executive summaries are due today for the next meeting. So it
will have to be the December 16th meeting, or whatever that meeting
will be. It will be the December meeting.
MS. CABRERA: I also have a question. On the original letter, it
states, the Mir-Mar PUD identifies only 16 permitted uses, and the list
only has 13. What happened to the other three?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: That could come back.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Yeah.
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COMMISSIONER HALAS: Find that out.
MS. CABRERA: Okay.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Can I give you this information?
MS. CABRERA: Yes, thank you. Thank you for your time.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: All in favor of the motion, signify by
.
saymg aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Motion carries unanimously.
Next item.
MR. MUDD: Commissioner, 6C. This item was continued from
the October 28th, 2008, BCC meeting. It's a public petition request by
Kenny Brown to discuss a resolution supporting relief for local
businesses.
Mr. Brown, if you could please come forward and identify
yourself for the record.
MR. BROWN: Yep. For the record, Kenny Brown. I'm the resort
manager at Outdoor Resorts ofChokoloskee, the resort -- RV resort
located at Highway 29 south, Chokoloskee.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Sir, can you hang on just a minute.
Commissioner Halas has to leave. It will only take one minute on until
9C.
Item #9C
RESOLUTION 2008-338: APPOINTING HUNTER H. HANSEN
(COMMERCIAL) AND THEODORE S. GRA VENHORST
(RESIDENTIAL) TO THE PELICAN BAY SERVICES DIVISION
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BOARD - ADOPTED
MR. MUDD: Commissioner, 9C is appointment of members to
the Pelican Bay Services Division Board.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: I'd like to make a motion that we
approve on this appointment to the membership of Pelican Bay
Service Division Hunter H. Hanson who represents commercial, and
Theodore S. Gravenhorst.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Second.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. There's a motion and a second
to appoint members to the PBSD by Commissioner Halas, second by
Commissioner Coletta.
All in favor of the motion, signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Motion carries unanimously.
(Commissioner Halas left the board room for the remainder of
the meeting.)
Item #6C
PUBLIC PETITION REQUEST BY KENNY BROWN TO
DISCUSS A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING RELIEF FOR LOCAL
BUSINESSES - DISCUSSED W/ITEM #9A
Item #9A
RESOLUTION SUPPORTING LOCAL CAMPING BUSINESSES
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TO COMPETE IN THE BIDDING PROCESS WITH THE
NATIONAL PARK SERVICE IN BIG CYPRESS PRESERVE
NATIONAL PARK. (COMPANION TO ITEM #6C, PUBLIC
PETITION FOR KENNY BROWN) - MOTION TO DENY
RESOLUTION - APPROVED
MR. MUDD: Commissioner, that then brings us back to 6C, and
that's Mr. Brown again.
MR. BROWN: Good afternoon, Commissioners. Do you want
me to repeat for the record?
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Yes, thank you.
MR. BROWN: Okay. Kenny Brown, I'm the resort manager of
Outdoor Resorts of Chokoloskee, which is an RV resort located at
Highway 29 south, Chokoloskee.
I thank you for the opportunity to speak on a problem that is
arising in our area, an economic issue dealing with National Park
Service and the Big Cypress National Preserve who is installing RV
sites with the appropriate hookups, and -- which we believe will be a
competition, you know, to the local RV resorts or RV parks, and also
will impact the business of the local area, including Everglades City,
Chokoloskee, and the surrounding area.
I'll try to make it kind of brief. But the National Park Service
apparently, as we understand it, has installed about 150 RV sites,
camping sites, mostly RV sites, on Highway 41 east near the Collier
line, the CollierlDade line, and those RV sites will-- we think will
stop the traffic, you know, coming toward us from the Keys, the
Miami area, and from other parts of the state, I guess, that, you know,
would be coming to them, and we think that we will have a big
problem this winter with their low rates of around $19, and some
parking free. So we're here to get what help we can get from the
commISSIOn.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Are you done, sir?
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MR. BROWN: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: There might be commissioners that
have questions, so if you'd just stand there just a moment.
MR. BROWN: Okay.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETT A: Yes. Mr. Brown, do you pay any
kind of property tax or sales tax on your establishment?
MR. BROWN: Yes, siLl think probably all of the above. We
pay property tax, we pay state sales tax, county tourist tax and --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And you employ local people?
MR. BROWN: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: You've been in business how
many years?
MR. BROWN: At this location since '92, but actually, you know,
the business as an R V resort was in about 1969. But the outdoor
resorts label came about 1983.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: The park service, do they pay ad
valorem tax?
MR. BROWN: I don't believe they pay any tax at all. I don't
believe they pay sales tax, county tax, I mean tourist tax, and I don't
think they pay property tax, I mean, it comes off the tax roles, but I
could be -- they may have something that they install, you know, in
light of that.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And there's nothing that's been
that evident to me. But in any case, the -- also, too, if! remember
correctly, the park service gets a number of volunteers who work for
nothing to be able to stay on the premise, further lowering their costs,
meanwhile competing with local businesses.
1 submit to you that the -- Item 91, the resolution that's in place
there, is asking the park service to reconsider their practice.
And I -- Chairman Henning, I hope we can go right to that item
and bring that up. And if we could, I'd like to make a motion for
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approval of the resolution.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. Well, that's a different item. We
definitely have public speakers on that. So do you want to give the
motion prior to public speakers?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: I don't think it would hurt.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. There's a motion by
Commissioner Coletta to approve the resolution on 9A, I believe it is.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: No, 9 --
MS. FILSON: It's 9A.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Is there a second? I'm not going to
second it because I know we have public speakers.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Ijust can't, to be honest with you. I
just -- I'm sorry. I just can't. I just feel that, you know, once we step in
and tell one business what they can charge and can't charge, then
somebody else is going to say, the Conservancy is competing with me
and then somebody else is going to say somebody else is competing
with me, and all of a sudden we're going to start coming in, and every
time somebody's competing with somebody, whether it be a
not-for-profit or not, they're going to say the rates aren't fair.
I don't know. When I drive along U.S. 41, I never see the rates
out in the front where you stop and -- you know, I mean, there's
nothing that advertises the rates that one is better than another.
So I'm sorry, I can't support 9A.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, even though the element
of business competition is totally unfair and the federal government
doesn't -- you're competing with an unfair advantage? In fact, they
don't have to pay taxes. They have a low, low overcost. The local
businesses that are paying our salaries are the ones that are hurting in
the end. That's my concern.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Shall we go to public speakers before
we make a decision?
Sir, did you want to say -- while you're there, you want to see
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And we move on to?
Item #100
RECOMMENDATION THAT BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS APPROVES OPTION #3 AND TAKES NO
ACTION ON PUBLIC PETITIONER'S REQUEST TO CHANGE
ALLOWABLE USES IN THE RANDALL BOULEVARD
COMMERCIAL SUB-DISTRICT WITHIN THE GOLDEN GATE
AREA MASTER PLAN AND THE MIR MAR PUD - MOTION TO
REISSUE THE APRIL 18,2008 ZONING VERIFICATION
LETTER AND PROPERTY OWNERS TO BE NOTIFIED BY
R W A REGARDING AN APPEAL HEARING - APPROVED
MR. MUDD: Commissioner, that brings us to -- that brings us to
our five o'clock, okay, because -- I have a lot of people waiting for gas
and energy, but you've got a five o'clock that -- but I don't think you're
going to get to finish.
So five o'clock is 100. 100 is a recommendation that the Board
of County Commissioners approves Option 3 and takes no action on
. public petition request to change allowable uses in the Randall
Boulevard subdistrict within the Golden Gate Area Master Plan and
the Mir Mar PUD.
This item was requested to be moved from the consent to the
regular agenda by Commissioner Coletta.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Before we go any further, Terri, do
you need a break?
THE COURT REPORTER: After this.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Well, it might be a break until
tomorrow.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: This shouldn't take that long,
should it?
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CHAIRMAN HENNING: I don't know.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: It could take an hour and a half.
Justjoshin'.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Let's go.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Put him on the clock.
MR. WEEKS: Commissioner, I'm David Weeks of your
Comprehensive Planning staff. This is a presentation today as a
follow-up to your November 14th public petition item regarding the
allowable uses in the Randall Boulevard commercial subdistrict within
the Golden Gate Area Master Plan and also the Mir Mar PUD, which
is one of the two PUDs that comprises that subdistrict.
Specifically the discussion on the public petition was, how can
the uses be expanded? How can additional uses be allowed in that
Randall Boulevard commercial subdistrict? Also, there was a
question about a zoning verification letter that had been issued to the
property owner earlier this year in which 16 uses were referenced,
whereas the subdistrict has a total of 13 uses identified.
And I think it will be helpful to have some background,
Commissioners. I'll be as brief as I can. And let me start with that
discrepancy and put that aside. The reason staff has identified a
longer list of uses than was identified in the subdistrict in the Golden
Gate Master Plan is because some of those uses listed in the master
plan actually are comprised of multiple use.
In the executive summary I give an example where one of the
listings is shoe repair, TV repair, and so forth. Well, shoe repair is
distinctly different from those types of appliances. That will be
viewed as a separate use. So that one alone comes from one uses to
two. That's where the discrepancy comes from.
As I said earlier, there are two PUDs that comprise this
subdistrict, the Mir Mar PUD, which the public petitioner has interest
in, and the Randall Boulevard Center PUD. Let's start with the--
again, briefly, some history.
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The Randall Boulevard Center PUD was approved first before
there ever was a subdistrict on this property. It was approved in
accordance with the 1983 Comprehensive Plan. And at that time that
plan limited the uses to convenience/commercial type uses. It's a
limited use.
In 1989 when the county adopted the present Growth
Management Plan, the same list of so-called 13 uses that were
approved in that PUD were carried over into the subdistrict and to the
Growth Management Plan. That is how we ended up with such a very
specific list of land uses which is unique in the Golden Gate Master
Plan. Even the neighborhood centers, which have a lot of specificity,
do not have this level, this zoning level of a list of allowable uses,
The Mir Mar PUD was approved a few years after the Randall
Boulevard based upon the same subdistrict that had that same list of
specific uses identified in the master plan. So those very same uses
got listed, with one exception. On the entry that says office uses,
professional offices, it also specifically stated, including branch banks.
I could only conclude that the board at that time determined that a
bank was a type of professional office. I can tell you that today staff
would not view it that way, but nonetheless that occurred back then.
And on Page 3 of your executive summary for this item, I've
listed a table that shows you the list of uses in the subdistrict and each
of those two respective PUDs. So you can see for yourself how they
are identical with the exception of the branch banks.
Another exception, which is not really relevant, is the fact that
the Randall Boulevard CUD -- PUD mentions a 25,OOO-square-foot
limitation that is not included within the Mir Mar PUD.
I will also tell you that, going back to the Randall Boulevard
Center PUD, when it was approved in 1986, not only was -- were we
dealing with a different Comprehensive Plan, but also the zoning
ordinance at that time listed a shopping center as a use. Today we
don't treat it that way in the zoning code. It is a type of structure with
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a certain number of units and/or a certain square footage.
But at that time it was listed in the C2, 3, 4 and 5 zoning districts.
Shopping center was listed as a use. And the types of uses allowed in
the shopping center would only be those uses found within the zoning
district in which the shopping center was listed.
For example, if you're in the C3 zoning district, your property is
zoned C3. You want to develop a shopping center, you could only
develop C3 uses in that shopping center. You can't jump over and
grab a C5 use and put it in your shopping center. So it was in
alignment.
The same thing for that Mir Mar PUD. Shopping center is listed
as an -- allowable uses, but the only uses allowed there are those uses
listed in the PUD. There's no ability to reach out and go to some other
zoning district, grab a use, and place it within that shopping center.
I think that's important because shopping center is -- it's unusual
to see it listed this way as a use. But that is based on past practice in
the former zoning ordinance.
Commissioners, there's a few options here, one of which would
be for the property owner to -- excuse me -- for you to direct staff to
issue to the property owner another zoning verification letter, just as
occurred earlier this year.
Why would you do that? Well, if you chose to do that, that
would allow the property owner to have a time period in which they
could file an appeal to that determination, which would come before
you as the Board of Zoning Appeals.
Another option, of course, is you could direct staff to initiate an
amendment to the Growth Management Plan to broaden the list of
uses. That is a more comprehensive approach. Any amendment to the
Comprehensive Plan or Growth Management Plan will be a more
comprehensive approach, because that is the ability to add many uses
to the subdistrict, whereas, the official zoning letter, the zoning letter
verification letter, is key towards a specific use or uses.
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Similarly, the property owner could file for an official
interpretation, an 01, which, again, would be subject to appeal to you
as the Board of Zoning Appeals. But that, again, is tailored towards a
use or few uses as opposed to an amendment where we open up the
entire subdistrict and potentially could add a lot of uses to it.
Another option the board could take though is to take no action,
and that is the action that staff recommends to you. There are
processes in place, including that official interpretation or the
applicant. The property owner could file for a GMP amendment to
change those list of uses.
As far as the fiscal impact goes, Commissioners, going this
process where the property owner went to the public petition and then
you directed staff to bring this back to you, we've estimated an
expense of approximately $1,200 to date. That's due to the necessary
research and prepare this executive summary to bring to you today.
A Growth Management Plan amendment is expensive and it's
time consuming, but that is, again, the most comprehensive approach.
And I think for the property owner, if they want to put this issue aside
once and for all, broaden the list of uses, that is the best approach, and
that would have to be followed by a subsequent amendment to the
PUD to also add additional uses.
Again, staffs recommendation is that you take no action.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. That's it. Questions?
Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: I'd like to hear the attorney for
the petitioner or the -- excuse me, in this case --
CHAIRMAN HENNING: I don't think he's been demoted.
MR. NADEAU: Mr. Yovanovich might take offense.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: No offense.
MR. NADEAU: I approach you with a little bit of material that
may help you --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Good fan.
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MR. NADEAU: There you go.
For the record, my name is Dwight Nadeau. I'm Planning
Manager for RW A. I'm representing Pack of Collier, the owner of the
Mir Mar PUD, Armando and Maria Cabrera.
I think staff did a very good job with their $1,200. They did
some very accurate research. The '83 adoption of the Randall
Boulevard PUD did provide for convenience stores as well as gas
stations, and the lowest order level of goods and services. It's
important to understand the term goods and services. Services could
be more like professional services. Goods being that which you
would buyout of your convenience store or out of a shoe shore, those
land uses that are provided for in the Mir Mar PUD.
Your staff report does go along and say that the Mir Mar PUD
was adopted in 1998, and it was found consistent with the Growth
Management Plan at that time.
David already explained how shopping centers were associated
with the zoning districts in which a shopping center land use was
permitted.
The staff report does -- or excuse me. The executive summary
on Page 4 provides you an opportunity, Commissioners. It says in the
middle of the first paragraph on Page 4, conceivably the uses from the
C 1 through C3 zoning districts could be allowed similar to the
neighborhood center subdistrict in the Golden Gate Area Master plan.
Well, as you heard in Mr. Weeks' presentation, he was telling
you what has occurred in the past. He's saying that we had a Randall
Boulevard commercial subdistrict adopted at the same time as the
neighborhood centers within the Golden Gate Area Master Plan as a
part of that adoption.
Well, the neighborhood centers were basically serving the same
service area, two to three miles, and they were providing for those
range of uses in the C 1 through C3 land use categories, zoning
districts.
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Well, here we are 25 years after the Mir Mar p- -- after the
Randall Center PUD has been adopted, and things have changed in
our community. Maybe it's that the Randall Boulevard Commercial
Center subdistrict is functioning like a neighborhood center, and with
this opportunity provided for in your executive summary, you may
want to consider that.
You may want to make a policy statement and say that it's our
opinion today that the Randall Boulevard commercial district is so
similar to a neighborhood center that it should be afforded the same
range of uses, C 1 through C3.
Well, now there could be some concern about what is permitted
in C 1 through C3, thus I gave you this document. And you can see
here that the C2 district is intended to implement neighborhood center
district of the Golden Gate Area Master Plan. You can also see that
the commercial intermediate C3 district is that area -- are those land
uses which you typically would see in a shopping center.
Well, if we take a look at the criteria on the next page of my
handout, it says, the criteria for neighborhood centers are as follows:
Commercial uses shall be limited to intermediate commercial to
provide a wider variety of goods. These uses shall be similar to C2
and C3 zoning districts outlined in the Land Development Code.
Are there concerns about what the land uses are in C2 and C3?
I've provided them for you in a form that's easy to read. Our current
Land Development Code, 04-55, as amended, puts it in table form,
and it's not that easy for you to read.
This is in a listing form. I've gone through these land uses in C2
and C3. C2, many of the uses that are in C2 are already permitted in
the Mir Mar PUD and the Randall Boulevard commercial subdistrict,
including apparel stores, with some limitations.
The C3 land uses still provide for convenience stores and gas
stations, but it has restaurants similar to what's permitted in the Mir
Mar PUD. It's permitted to have general merchandise stores.
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Now, group care facility, probably not. It's a 2.38-acre site. The
site itself would preclude that type of land use. Hardware stores are
already permitted in the Mir Mar PUD.
Your C3 uses, you might have some automotive service, but
you're already allowed to have automotive gas stations. You're
allowed to have veterinary clinics but no outside -- no outside
kenneling is permitted. So we could -- we can basically say that we're
not going to be impacting the neighbors with barking dogs and --
barking dogs. Cats don't bark.
So with this, Commissioners, on behalf ofthe property owner,
we'd like to be brought up to date. And given the limited amount of
resources that this landowner has, we'd like to be brought up to date
with some simple measures and policy statements by this board this
evening, and that would be that you consider or view the Randall
Boulevard commercial subdistrict and the Mir Mar PUD as a
neighborhood center, and they should be permitted to have -- and be
afforded to have the land uses in the C I through C3 zoning districts.
And this can be accomplished without having to amend the PUD.
We could put a note on the zoning map and say, by adoption or policy,
potentially by resolution, the board has determined that Mir Mar
PUD's allowed to have Cl through C3 uses.
And in the next cycle of -- or in a cycle of your choosing, you
could amend the Golden Gate Area Master Plan to add a note to the
Randall Boulevard commercial subdistrict that says it's being treated
as a neighborhood center, or you could even redesignate that as a
neighborhood center and have the Cl through C3 land uses provided
for in that area, and we wouldn't have to make any global changes to
the document. I offer you -- offer myself up for questions.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: I want to go to Commissioner Coyle,
then Commissioner Coletta, and then Commissioner --
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Mr. Chairman, it seems to me that
we had a similar request earlier today where we were being asked by
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Mr. Hancock to make a policy decision that would shortcut this
process, and it was the decision ofthe majority of the board that there
is an established process for accomplishing these changes and you
have to go through that process.
Now, whether I agree with it or not is irrelevant. The point is, we
need to treat people essentially the same.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Yep.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: You can't refuse one person the
right to make a -- you can't refuse them the expectation to have the
Collier County Commission make a policy statement concerning our
Growth Management Plan intent and then later in the day grant the
very same thing to another petitioner.
So I don't see how we can, in all fairness, proceed with this other
than to accept the staffs recommendation of item -- alternative three.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yes, thank you. There's a vast
difference between earlier this morning and what we see before us
now, and I'm very familiar with the history. I've shared the original
master plan that put this togeth- -- put together a lot of the rules and
regulations that go throughout that area. And I can tell you it was
never the intention of the group at that time to become so restrictive as
far as uses go.
This is an existing commercial area. The one we looked at
earlier, if we remember correctly, was an open space for an infill;
completely different.
What we're looking at is adding some uses here that would be --
fall right in lines with the neighborhood.
What I would suggest and what I'd like to see done as a matter of
policy, have this brought back at the next meeting with -- bringing this
up to what you're allowed to do up to C3. At that point in time, it can
be advertised, get the public's input at the meeting, and we'll also be
able to view all the uses for C2 and C3 to make sure they're really
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conducive to what takes place.
But let's try to simplifY this. Let's -- it's getting to be so
convoluted that it's unreal. Okay.
And Mr. Klatzkow, help me with this so that we can get this
done.
MR. KLATZKOW: Okay. I'm not entirely sure what it is that
you want. You want us to come back at the next meeting with a
public meeting for C3 zoning; is that it?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: To be able to recognize the fact
that this is -- this should be allowed to be declared C3 zoning in place
of what it has now for some very limited uses, which makes absolutely
no sense.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Yeah. I'm not sure, Commissioner --
if you don't mind. I'm not sure ifthat statement is true. If you -- and I
remember that, you were on the original committee. And I remember
going to a couple meetings. I figured, I don't want to get involved if
Jim Coletta1s involved. Just kidding.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Merry Christmas.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: What -- a shopping center is not a
use. A shopping center is a business or is a building where you put the
uses on. So why or what was the intent to put shopping centers in a
use?
Now, Mr. Weeks said, used to -- if you were designated a
shopping center, you had particular uses in the '83 Land Development
Code -- if I'm saying that right, David. Is that a summarize (sic) of
what was done in the '80s?
MR. WEEKS: You're off by one year, but otherwise correct.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. It was what, '82?
MR. WEEKS: '82 zoning ordinance, yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. And I have one of those in my
office. So if the intent was to have those uses in the shopping center
and it was identified in the Golden Gate Area Master Plan but never
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caried over to the Land Development Code, that's where the mistake
came in.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah. The master plan
recognized the fact that these uses were needed.
MR. KLATZKOW: IfI may -- because my office has done
research on this a month ago, all right, in preparation for the initial
public (sic).
To get back at what Commissioner Coletta was getting at, I think
we should bring this back, okay. And I happen to think C2 zoning is
the correct zoning on this one based on the old codes, all right.
But we have a mechanism to do this, and that would be Option 1,
which is that the zoning verification letter gets reissued. The applicant
can then appeal it. Necessary notices can go out to the adjacent
property owners so their voice can be heard. They may be in
opposition. I don't know, all right. And then Mr. Nadeau can come
forward with his review of this, our office will come forward with our
review of this, and then it will be a matter for the board to interpret
what it is that the code says and what it is that the Comprehensive
Plan says, and we'll have the dually advertised public meeting. Any
decision of the board, in my opinion at that time, would be upheld.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah. Could I just add
something to that and finish up? Yeah, I -- Jeff, I think we're close to
where we need to go, We're talking about a time element. We're
talking about cost.
What I would suggest, that we limit the actual cost related to the
required advertising and the notices that have to go out, and that might
get us to a point we need to be. What kind of a time element are we
looking at?
MR. WEEKS: Mr. Chairman, may I interject, please? For a
zoning verification letter, which is option one, there is no notice
requirement involved. That's strictly a communication between the
applicant and staff.
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The official interpretation request, which can then be appealed,
that's the process that includes public notice.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Why not reissue the letter of
April 18, 2008, just reissue that letter --
MR. WEEKS: That could be done and appealed, but I'm saying
that there's no noti- -- the only notification process is that letter going
to the person that's requesting it. No surrounding properties are
notified. No type of public notice of any type. That's a totally
different process than the official interpretation process.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, what I'd like to do --let
me try to cut to the chase so we can get to the discussion.
Make a motion to direct staff to reissue the April 18, 2008,
zoning verification letter and if appealed by the applicant, which, of
course, it will happen, that the county attorney review the appeal and
issue an opinion as the permitted use of Mir Mar PUD, and that
applicant's cost be limited to the actual cost related to the required
advertising and notice.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: I'll second the motion.
MR. KLATZKOW: And ifthere is no required advertising,
we're done.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. Well, you heard the motion
and the second. So if there is any cost in advertising, then they're to
be the actual cost.
Commissioner Coyle?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Are we saying we're going to make
this change without a public hearing?
MR. KLA TZKOW: There will be a public hearing. It's going to
come back to the board.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: It will be advertised to the adjacent
property owners and there will be a public hearing.
MR. KLATZKOW: I think it should be advertised, and I think
there should be a public hearing, yes.
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COMMISSIONER COYLE: But did Commissioner Coletta's
motion do that?
MR. KLATZKOW: I think it does, yes.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Now, explain to me how that is
different than what we refused to do earlier today, or is it the same
thing?
MR. KLATZKOW: I think it's pretty much the same thing what
you did earlier today. I think you're being consistent.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: That's what I'm concerned about,
because what we did earlier today is exactly the same thing as we're
trying to do here. So if we're being consistent, I'm okay with it, but if
we're not being consistent, I'm not okay with it.
MR. KLA TZKOW: I think you're consistent.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: I need a clear answer.
MR. KLA TZKOW: I think you're consistent.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay.
MS. ISTENES: I disagree, respectfully.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Hang on, hang on, hang on. Hang on.
One at a time. Commissioner Coyle has the floor.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay. Well, tell me -- tell me what
you disagree with then?
MS. ISTENES: The -- my understanding of the action you took
this morning was the applicant was directed to do an official
interpretation. With that process, you have a required notification,
both a publication in the newspaper and a required mail-out to
surrounding property owners of a stated distance in the code.
With a zoning verification letter, which is what the motion maker
suggested now, there is no requirement in the LDC for public
notification.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: And that was the zoning
notification letter of 1982?
MS. ISTENES: No.
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COMMISSIONER COYLE: That's what the --
MR. MUDD: The zoning verification letter was an attach- -- was
attached and it was dated -- and it would be dated -- the draft letter
would be dated December 16, 2008.
MR. SCHMITT: Page 7.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Wait a minute. Commissioner
Coletta specifically said, reissue the zoning notification letter of 198-
what --
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: No, I did not.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: No, he didn't.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: April 18, 2008.
MR. MUDD: 2008.
MS. ISTENES: The reissuance will then start the clock for the
30-day appeal process, which is why we're suggesting it be reissued,
because that 30 days has expired.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay.
MS. ISTENES: So it will give the ability of the applicant to
appeal if they wish.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Are you talking about issuing a
zoning verification letter or reissuing a zoning notice?
MS. ISTENES: Reissuing the zoning verification letter that was
previously issued.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: And then that will prompt a public
advertisement and a public hearing.
MS. ISTENES: There will be a -- if the applicant files an
application for an appeal, the appeal itself will be notified -- noticed in
the newspaper, but the -- there will be no -- similar to what you do in a
rezoning, there will be no mail-outs to surrounding property owners.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: See, I'm not buying that. You
know, I think we've got to do that.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. Would you buy it if I
include that in my motion that the immediate property owners be
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notified?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: If we're going through the full
process of notifying property owners and having a public hearing and
the costs are going to be paid for by the petitioner. Is all that true?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Well, I'm sorry. Let me -- the
motion that I made was pretty simple. It was to try to simplify the
process but still have due process in it.
Adding the particular about notification out there, I think that's
something that we could do, but I --
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Now Mr. Nadeau, from what I
understand, is saying they will notify the abutting neighbors.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Well, you know, once -- and I'm
not finished yet. You know, on several occasions today
Commissioner Coletta has said, I'm concerned about making sure that
the public gets notice and that there are public hearings.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay. Now, what we're describing
here, unless we go a little further, will shortcut that process. I want to
make sure that we're not shortcutting it.
So please tell me what steps we have to take and what sequence
we have to take them in, in order to assure that there is a full and
complete notification of property owners and the public so we can
have a public hearing on this issue.
MS. ISTENES: There's two options -- well, probably three. But
I'm going to state the two that are clearly stated in your code, because
what we're attempting to do is create a hybrid here that's not stated in
the code.
So the two options that are stated in your code would be the
official interpretation process whereby the applicant pays a fee,
submits an application, the application is analyzed, a response is
provided, and then the property -- surrounding property owners are
notified of the response and the ability to file an appeal, as well as an
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advertisement is placed in the Naples Daily News with the ability to
file for an appeal, and that ability lasts for 30 days from the date of the
last advertisement, which I usually count as the newspaper ad. That's
usually the last. That's one option.
The other option is to do the -- what staff recommended was
basically that the applicant can come in and amend the Growth
Management Plan and rezone the PUD. Both of those are public
hearing processes that are dually notified.
MR. KLA TZKOW: Your staff option in your executive
summary was to reissue the April 18th zoning verification letter. If
the.only issue is notice, would the petitioner be willing to send out
written letters to the adjacent property owners in the same manner as
MS. ISTENES: He said he would, but -- yeah, but I just want to
make sure that we're, again, attempting to create the hybrid process
here that doesn't exist, and I think: I'm reading that as your concern.
So that's all I needed to say about that.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Yeah, okay. I've got it. I
understand.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Commissioner Halas?
MR. NADEAU: If! may put it on the record. Again, Dwight
Nadeau. The applicant is more than willing to send out property
owner notification letters, and we have no objection to paying for the
advertisement in the Naples Daily News.
We know that there is a $1,000 fee that's associated with the
appeal of the zoning verification letter. So that would be $1,000 out
of my client's pocket, the cost to prepare and mail the letters, as well
as to pay for the newspaper ad. It will be properly public noticed.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. Commissioner Halas?
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Yeah. And I think: what we
discussed this morning -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- but we talked
to the point to where this may have to go before the Planning
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Commission.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Well, a -- no. A notice -- an official
interpretation --
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Right.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: -- does not go to the Planning
Commission.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: No, but if the -- in respect to what
took place this morning was that there was -- you'd almost have to
have a GMP amendment in regards to addressing this particular issue;
am I correct?
MR. WEEKS: Commissioners, the -- you're correct that the most
full and open process is amend the Growth Management Plan and then
follow up with the PUD amendment. Both of those processes require
the most notice of any processes you have. Both of those go through a
review process that will include the Planning Commission and then
finally this body.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: That's what -- I think: we came up
with the determination this morning.
MR. WEEKS: This morning that was one option. The other
option, which I believe the -- Mr. Hancock indicated he was going to
pursue, was an official interpretation.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Okay.
MR. WEEKS: That's what Susan identified, which can then be
appealed to this body as the Board of Zoning Appeals, and that
includes a notice process.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Good.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. Well, I'm going to support the
motion, so I think there's enough to do the process of the zoning
verification, and then notices n the enhanced version of notices,
putting it in the newspaper and mailing out in the neighborhood.
MR. NADEAU: Yes, Mr. Chairman. And in may, there was
backup material in the executive summary package where the draft
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appeal letter has already been prepared.
So if this April 18, 2008, zoning verification letter were reissued
next week, we would be able to response to that, and the appeal could
be rapidly provided by staff because it's already been drafted.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. Can we go to public speakers?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: It's okay with me.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay.
MS. FILSON: I have two public speakers. Vivilan (sic) Jimenez.
She'll be followed by Paul Candi -- Landi. It's a C or an L.
MS. JIMENEZ: Here or here?
MS. FILSON: Doesn't matter.
MS. JIMENEZ: Hi. I'm Vivian Jimenez. I'm a Realtor. I've
been here since 1998. And just to let you know, the neighboring
surrounding community property owners have asked me to help Mr.
Armando and Maria Cabrera to try to get zoning differences for the
shopping centers, as they want to rent, and currently their use does not
supply what they want to put in.
I know that one of the things that wanted to be in the shopping
center was a karate school, and the current zoning does not allow that.
That's what I have to say. Thank: you.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Thank: you.
MS. FILSON: The next speaker is Paul Landi.
MR. LANDI: Hi. How are you guys? I own L'Appetito, the
Randall location. I feel that we need tenants out there. I mean, it
helps the economy. The economy is in disarray right now. And it
takes a community of the plaza to help the plaza be successful. And
right now, everybody's struggling out there. As you guys are aware,
the economy is hurting, and we need great tenants out there to support
that neighborhood.
And I think it's -- a karate school out there would by great for
kids. It's a great -- it's a great idea. After school interacts with us as a
business and interacts with the neighborhood. That's it. Thank: you.
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CHAIRMAN HENNING: Thank: you.
You know, I don't understand -- well, I'm just going to make a
statement here. We have what is a -- in the PUD and in the Golden
Gate Area Master Plan a use of shopping, and a shopping center is not
a use, but we know what is traditionally in shopping centers.
And if you have an area, especially in Golden Gate Estates, that
wants business, why aren't we helping them? Why aren't we helping
them so they don't have to travel so far, use our infrastructure, and
make it happen? I mean, it's a quality of life for them. It's a quality of
life for, in this particular case, for people who live up and down
Immokalee Road who those residents have to travel across. And it's
just a win-win for everybody if we can make it happen.
Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah. Commissioner Henning,
you're right. And I was troubled a little bit by this when I talked to
staff and I was told why I couldn't do it. I talked to Mark Strain, and
Mark Strain also agreed with what we're saying here today, that this is,
what do you call it, insignificant and it doesn't require -- shouldn't
require the kind of review, that it should be something that we could
do by policy.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: But we're taking that extra step with
the zoning verification letter, plastering it in the newspaper, which
nobody out there reads anyways, okay. I mean, they read the Golden
Gate Citizen. That's the one that they read. They don't read the
Naples Daily News, and then notifYing (sic) it. So we're going way
above board to do a good thing.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: And the letters, too. Don't forget
about that.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Well, yeah, the letters going to the
neighbors. But anyways, there's a motion and a second on the floor.
Commissioner Coyle?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Yeah. Once again, my only
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concern is that we are being consistent in the way we're treating
people.
Now, will somebody tell me whether this is consistent with the
way we treated the petitioner this morning? Because in my mind,
these are identical situations.
MR. WEEKS: Commissioners, in my opinion, this is not the
same. The -- as Susan said, we're creating a hybrid process. We're
saying, let's do a zoning verification letter, but let's add a notice
requirement. Well, you already have that process. It's called an
official interpretation with an appeal process. It's there, it's in the
code, everybody can see it. That's what the rules are. But it certainly
seems to have -- to staff that you're, on the fly, creating a new process.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Creating a new process where, with
this motion?
MR. WEEKS: With this, yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay. That's my point, okay?
That's my point.
MR. KLA TZKOW: Let me just -- if I may. What is the
difference between your zoning verification letting and an official
interpretation? Because you've already ruled on the issue. I mean,
you can call it -- you can call it whatever you want, but you already
ruled on the issue. If they asked for an official interpretation ofthe
same issue, how's it going to be any different than your zoning
verification letter?
MR. SCHMITT: Let me clarify. For the record, Joe Schmitt.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: I think: that's a good question that
needs to be answered.
MR. SCHMITT: I'm fighting with my two managers and my
director. This morning had to do with a Compo Plan and a Compo Plan
interpretation. That was different. This is a Compo Plan, but it also
deals with zoning.
On Page 7 of your executive summary, one ofthe items we
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offered to do is to reissue the zoning, zoning verification letter.
Now, understand that that is a very narrow process. It only had
to do with, was a clothing store allowed at this shopping center. And
my concern is - and I think where Jeffwas coming from -- under
option one, the zoning verification letter is a very, very simple
administrative process. Applicant comes in, says, can I do this within
the PUD? The zoning staff says yes or no.
Under your Code of Laws and Ordinances under section 250-58,
they can appeal a decision of a government official, which is a
different type of appeal than what Tim was going to do this morning
under the 01, official interpretation.
This appeal would be very specific. It would be an appeal
basically saying, can I open the clothing store at this location.
Dwight wants to introduce new uses. And I don't know -- again,
I'm concerned about that becoming part of the appeal process. But
your zoning verification letter we redrafted. It's in your executive
summary, Page 7. It's a new -- it's a new zoning verification letter,
and what it does is just says that a clothing store is not allowed.
Dwight would then have to appeal that, specifically concentrating
on that one issue, and then he could bring in the issues having to do
with C2 or 3 -- C3, but then you may be entering what is kind of
slippery slope of almost amending an existing PUD.
If you feel that this use is allowed and you believe that it's a use
that certainly is acceptable, I would just say, so directed, and we'll do
it. Now, that may be a problem legally or otherwise. But if that's the
consensus of this board, we'll follow the consensus of the board.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Well, why didn't you tell us the
same thing this morning when Mr. Hancock was making his appeal for
essentially the same kind of issues?
MR. SCHMITT: Mr.--
COMMISSIONER COYLE: It was a Growth Management Plan
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Issue.
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MR. SCHMITT: Right. This is a Growth Management Plan
issue, but it also is a use based on an existing PUD. Tim was trying to
get a policy decision to actually amend how to apply the Growth
Management Plan having to do with the enlargement or expansion of
an infill district.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: It was more specific than that. It
was merely trying to get us to make an acknowledgment that a change
in 2007 was not intended to cause the effect that is being caused for
his client.
You're saying the same thing here. Youtre saying that you want
us to make an interpretation that we didn't intend for certain things to
happen or not to happen here.
You're asking us -- or the petitioner's asking us for a policy
decision on the fly. It is exactly the same thing. And I still don't
understand what you're telling me.
MR. SCHMITT: I understand your logic.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay.
MR. SCHMITT: And what you're saying is basically that you're
__ this is asking you for a policy decision just the same as Tim--
COMMISSIONER COYLE: That's right. That's exactly the
same thing.
MR. SCHMITT: -- was this morning.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Now, you give me the same
process and I'll support it. You give me a different process, and I'm
not going to support it, but I don't know that it makes any difference.
MR. SCHMITT: Then that process, to be consistent with what
was this morning, would be Option 3, and that is where the -- you take
no objection. You leave it up to the petitioner to basically ask for an
official interpretation. They would send -- under an 01, ask for how to
apply both the GMP and basically, in this case, the guidance in the
PUD. They would submit for an official interpretation, which they
then could appeal jfthe ruling did not come to their favor.
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MR. SCHMITT: Right. This is a Growth Management Plan
issue, but it also is a use based on an existing PUD. Tim was trying to
get a policy decision to actually amend how to apply the Growth
Management Plan having to do with the enlargement or expansion of
an infin district.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: It was more specific than that. It
was merely trying to get us to make an acknowledgment that a change
in 2007 was not intended to cause the effect that is being caused for
his client.
Youtre saying the same thing here. You're saying that you want
us to make an interpretation that we didn't intend for certain things to
happen or not to happen here.
You're asking us - or the petitioner's asking us for a policy
decision on the fly. It is exactly the same thing. And I still don't
understand what you're telling me.
MR. SCHMITT: I understand your logic.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay.
MR. SCHMITT: And what you're saying is basically that you're
-- this is asking you for a policy decision just the same as Tim --
COMMISSIONER COYLE: That's right. That's exactly the
same thing.
MR. SCHMITT: -- was this morning.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Now, you give me the same
process and I'll support it. You give me a different process, and I'm
not going to support it, but I don't know that it makes any difference.
MR. SCHMITT: Then that process, to be consistent with what
was this morning, would be Option 3, and that is where the -- you take
no objection. You leave it up to the petitioner to basically ask for an
official interpretation. They would send -- under an 01, ask for how to
apply both the GMP and basically, in this case, the guidance in the
PUD. They would submit for an official interpretation, which they
then could appeal if the ruling did not come to their favor.
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COMMISSIONER COYLE: But - and what you said to us
earlier, was if you do it through a zoning verification, it would have to
be a very narrow issue that had to do with the use of one specific
business or use?
MR. SCHMITT: That's correct, that's correct.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: In order for them to get changes
that would be productive for their facility, they're going to have to
look at other changes.
MR. SCHMITT: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: And so what you're suggesting is,
they're going to come in and try to sneak in those other changes during
this debate over the zoning verification letter, and that's exactly what
will have to happen if they're going to have a successful business
there?
MR. SCHMITT: That's correct. I think:-
COMMISSIONER COYLE: So why not do it right?
CHAIRMAN HENNING: That's not the motion.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: That's right. The motion is not
right.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: So you may vote no or you may vote
yes, but let's call the motion and see where it goes from there, okay?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: That's the way it works.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: All in favor of the motion, signify by
saymg aye.
Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Opposed?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Motion carries, 2-1.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: 3-1.
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COMMISSIONER COLETTA: 3-2.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: 3-2.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: 3-2.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: We'll get it right.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: No. The pontification that's going on
in these discussions, it's just unnecessary, and we could get a lot more
things done.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: I just think: we're going -- it's on
down a slippery slope here.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: And that's what I'm talking about
here. I have 15 minutes to go, and then I have an engagement.
Item #10L
RECOMMENDATION TO: DEVELOP A LANDFILL GAS- TO-
ENERGY F ACILITY THAT WILL BENEFICIALLY USE
LANDFILL GAS FROM THE COLLIER COUNTY LANDFILL
TO GENERATE ELECTRICITY AND, IN TURN, GENERATE
NEW REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY'S SOLID WASTE FUND
BY (A) ENTERING INTO A LANDFILL GAS SALES
AGREEMENT AND GROUND LEASE AUTHORIZING WASTE
MANAGEMENT INC. OF FLORIDA TO DESIGN, PERMIT,
CONSTRUCT OPERATE AND MAINT AlN A LANDFILL GAS-
TO-ENERGY FACILITY AT THE COLLIER COUNTY
LANDFILL; (B) AMENDING THE COUNTY'S LANDFILL
OPERATION AGREEMENT WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT,
INC. OF FLORIDA; (C) APPROVING THE FACILITY
THROUGH THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS; (D)
DIRECTING THE DIVISION ADMINISTRATOR FROM
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL
SERVICES TO EXPEDITE THE PERMIT AND REVIEW
PROCESS, AND (E) AUTHORIZING THE CHAIRMAN OF THE
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BOARD TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT AND THE
AMENDMENT TO THE LANDFILL OPERATING AGREEMENT
- APPROVED
MR. MUDD: Commissioner, I think: we can do -- I think we can
do 10L, because we've got some people that are here that have been
sitting here. That has to do--
CHAIRMAN HENNING: I don't know how long --
MR. MUDD: Excuse me. That has to do with the
recommendation to develop a landfill gas-to-energy facility that will
beneficially use landfill gas from the Collier County Landfill to
generate electricity, in turn generate new revenue for the county's
solid waste fund by, A, entering into a landfill gas sales agreement and
ground lease authorizing Waste Management, Inc., of Florida to
design, permit, construct, operate, maintain a landfill gas-to-energy
facility at the Collier County Landfill; B, amending the county's
landfill operation agreement with Waste Management, Inc., of Florida;
C, approving the facility through a Site Development Plan process; D,
directing the division administrator from community development's
environmental services to expedite the permit and review process; and
E, authorizing the chairman of the board to execute the agreement and
the amendment to the landfill operating agreement, and Mr. Dan
Rodriguez, your director of solid waste, will present.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Motion to approve.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Second.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Discussion?
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Do you need anything on the
record?
MR. MUDD: No. The reason -- the only reason that he needs to
have CDES expedite is so that we meet the threshold, the time cutoff
for the incentives, and that's the reason for that one.
Outside of that, everything else is clearcut and it seems to be a
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pretty good agreement that was negotiated. But Commissioner
Henning could disagree with me.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: You know, it is what it is.
All in favor of the motion, signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: (Absent.)
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Motion carries unanimously.
How late does the board want to go?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: I'd like to finish it up.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. I pulled an item off the
agenda, if we can go to that.
Item #10Q
RESOLUTION 2008-388: GRANTING FINAL APPROVAL OF
THE ROADWAY (PUBLIC) AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS
FOR THE FINAL PLAT OF ARROWHEAD RESERVE AT LAKE
TRAFFORD PHASE ONE WITH THE ROADWAY BEING
MAINTAINED BY THE COUNTY AND THE DRAINAGE
IMPROVEMENTS BEING PRIV A TEL Y MAINTAINED -
ADOPTED
MR. MUDD: Yes, sir. That would be -- that would be 10Q, and
that would be --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Did we do M?
MR. MUDD: No. We're trying to get the ones done because he
has a six o'clock. He received a memo that he has a prior engagement
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that he has to go to, I believe.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Okay.
MR. MUDD: And I'm looking. lOQ used to be 16A3. It's a
recommendation to grant final approval of the roadway (public) and
drainage improvements for the final plat of Arrowhead Reserve at
Lake Trafford, Phase 1, with the roadway being maintained by the
county and the drainage improvements being privately maintained.
That item was pulled at Commissioner Henning's request.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: And the reason I pulled it is, we just
did a Land Development Code amendment not to do these things -- is
to approve the -- in PUDs, whether they be public or private roads,
that we would not maintain them, and that's why I pulled the item.
And Mr. Schmitt, I see, is gone. It's one of his items.
MR. MUDD: Go ahead, Norm. You were there part of the
decision that the board made prior. Go ahead, Norman, and then Joe
will follow.
MR. SCHMITT: Apologize. We were clearing up some
guidance for Dwight.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: We're working on the -- on the -- I
guess the Arrowhead issue.
MR. SCHMITT: Yes, sir, Arrowhead.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: And the Board of Commissioners in
the Land Development Code meeting says we're not going to take
over any more roads in PUDs.
MR. SCHMITT: That was the most recent round of LDC
amendments, yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Right. So that's why I pulled this so
__ it's different than when the board approved the LDC amendment.
MR. SCHMITT: Yes, sir. This goes back to a 2002 PUD and a
plat that was approved, and I don't have the date in front of me here.
The plat was later approved both identifying it as such, and I've got --
this goes back to a -- and it was amended again in '05. 2005 ordinance
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is on top. But under transportation, under paragraph I, it notes, roads
will be public and dedicated to county at the time of platting, and that
has been in that PUD since the PUD was first adopted in 2002.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Well, it didn't say -- they could be
public. Doesn't mean that we have to maintain them.
MR. SCHMITT: That's correct. There's nothing that states that.
Now, Jim, if you could zero in. That's the -- on the plat itself -- and it
does highlight. But that's correct. They could be public, but it doesn't
state anything about maintaining -- if they're maintained by the county
or by the residents. But the pun did state that they would be public
roads.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Right. Well, let's just talk about the
maintenance of it.
MR. SCHMITT: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: That's the concern. This was
approved in 2003. This plat was approved in 2003.
MR. SCHMITT: That's correct, yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: And I have the item, the executive
summary item, and there is nothing in here that's saying that the
county is going to maintain these roads. The board did not approve,
give consent to staff, that we would maintain these roads. Do you
agree with that?
MR. SCHMITT: I agree. There's no --
CHAIRMAN HENNING: But yet this plat was recorded saying
that the county would maintain these roads, correct?
MR. SCHMITT: Yes.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: That -- the staff does not have the
ability to make those fiscal decisions. It's only the Board of
Commissioners.
Now, this is the reason why I took my signature away, for these
very things. The Board of Commissioners approved things, and what
is signed is not what the board approved.
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MR. SCHMITT: This plat --
CHAIRMAN HENNING: My signature's on this plat.
MR. SCHMITT: Yes, sir.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. Commissioner Coletta?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Yeah. Commissioner Henning,
what you're suggesting is that we don't keep these roads in repair after
we told the people that we were going to do this, that we --
CHAIRMAN HENNING: We never told--
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Or is it just a question of whose
signature went where or when it went?
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Nobody told anybody, these people,
that we were going to maintain these roads. Nobody said that. We
said they'd be public, but we didn't say we'd maintain them.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Okay. So every road that's
public out there that's within any kind of community, we no longer
have to maintain them? This makes no sense.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: The Board of Commissioners
approved an LDC amendment that, unless the board directs
differently, we're not to maintain any road if they would come to us
for maintenance within a PUD.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Is this date prior to the time that
Arrowhead was established?
MR. SCHMITT: Yes. Normally we do not apply LDC changes
retroactively. If the -- whatever agreements were made at the time of
either PUD acceptance or the recording of the final plat normally
carries.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Let me tell you what's going to
happen here. I'm very familiar with Arrowhead and what's taking
place there. At this point in time, they're in serious trouble, just like a
lot of communities, more so there than you could ever expect. They
only got about 20-some percent of the people contributing to their
homeowners' fund that they have. The -- what do you call it, the
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assessments? The place is falling in disrepair, and if the county all of
a sudden decides that they're no longer liable for the roads within one
gated community, I can guarantee you that they're not going to keep
them up and repair them. There's no way they can.
It's a desire situation. The understanding was, is that it was going
to be taken over by the county. It was brought up to a certain
standard. Am I wrong about this? The roads were brought up to a
standard?
MR. SCHMITT: They were required to be designed to the
county standard, yes.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Right. With the anticipation
that the county was going to take them over when they reached that
point. And now if we do a reversal on this, it's going to be extremely
detrimental to that community.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Who -- let me ask you. Who
approved to make the county responsible for maintaining these roads?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Commissioner Henning, I can't
tell you who did what along the way, but I can tell you the expectation
for all these communities out there that enter into these kind of
agreements is that that's what happens. It's happened in the past, and it
was expected to happen in the future.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. But are these agreements a
one-party agreement?
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Commissioner Henning, I don't
have those agreements in front of me.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Motion to approve.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Second.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: We have some public speakers?
MS. FILSON: I have one speaker. George Hermanson.
MR. HERMANSON: Good evening. I'm George Hermanson,
partner with Hole Montes. We represent the petitioner. He's -- sends
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his apologies. He's under the weather today, so I was called at the last
minute when this was taken off the consent agenda.
The statement that I wanted to highlight is the one in question,
that is the plat of Arrowhead Unit 1 which was recorded in '05, April
of'05. That was before this Land Development Code amendment was
in place.
At this time this was recorded there were both publicly and
privately maintained roads allowed in the county. We went through
the process, as anybody did. The roads were required to be built to
county standards. The right-of-ways are to county standard. The plat
went through the review and went through the county commission at
the hearing and was approved and recorded~
So I'm not here to tell you what you have to do, but I am telling
you that's what the documentation says.
The developer, when we went through the process, even
considered a gated community, but he was told that with a gated
community they would be private roads and privately maintained.
With open roads they'll be publicly maintained. So he chose that
option.
I will tell you that Lincoln Boulevard, which is the main road,
does connect at both ends. It can be used by the public.
So -- and as far as the economics of the situation are concerned,
Commissioner Coletta, you're right, there are budget problems. They
have not budgeted for road maintenance. They have 44 homes under
foreclosure right now. The roads -- they will have great difficulty
maintaining the roads. But that's a side argument. I think the
documentation indicates, with all due report, that the county
commission approved the roads to be publicly maintained.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. Thank you. Mr. -- Nick, I
have a question of you. In your research, can you tell me what the
board approved?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: Sure. For the record, Nick
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Casalanguida with Transportation.
Going back into the PUD, you're correct, it says to be dedicated
to the public, but it doesn't speak to maintenance. And from going
through the documents, there's really no recommendation either way
of whether it would be maintained or it would not be maintained for
the public.
We just had that fiscal workshop with the board. And one of the
recommendations we'll make as things like this come upon is, there
should be a fiscal impact analysis that's done when we accept a public
road.
That exhibit that's on there right now -- and excuse my voice. It's
going a little bit. There is a public road that runs from one end to the
other that connects two other roads. Then there are half a dozen other
dead-end roads that serve really no public purpose.
In our research, we spoke to our road maintenance department
and said, over a IS-year life cycle, what kind of fiscal impact are we
looking at? It's about so- to $60,000 annually that the county would
assume by taking on those roads. So it's not that, as staff, we support
or don't support. That's not for us to make that decision. For staff, we
just want to make the board cognizant that every time we make a
decision, it comes with a fiscal impact.
And so you're looking at that with a semi-public through road,
but then a bunch of private kind of roads that kind ofT off that really
serve no public purpose, that if this goes forward, we would be
maintaining. And so that's just information for the board to consider,
that as these plats go forward, we should have a good fiscal impact
number that you understand what you're incurring in the future.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Did anybody tell you in this approval
process that you're going to maintain these roads?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: The plat went through transportation
for review, and the road maintenance reviewed them. It was, I guess,
implied that the public dedication would include public maintenance,
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but no one told us that that was going to be the case.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Was it in the executive summary?
MR. CASALANGUIDA: No, sir, it was not.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Okay. That's why I have the
problem. I don't see where we have the ability or staffhas the ability
to make those kind of judgment calls. Thank: you.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: We've got a motion though.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Therets a motion by Commissioner
Coyle to approve this item, second by Commissioner Coletta.
All in favor of the motion, signify by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Opposed?
Aye.
Motion carries, 4-1, Commissioner Henning dissenting.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: I think: we might have some
people that were here for the public comments that -- can we hear
them today rather than make them come back tomorrow?
CHAIRMAN HENNING: Yeah. I think that was the last item
that -- the only item that I pulled off the agenda.
MR. MUDD: Yes, sir. That's the last item you had that you
pulled off.
CHAIRMAN HENNING: And if you don't mind, the vice-chair
will take over.
(Chairman Henning left the hearing room.)
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Sure, sure. After the public comment
though, we will close the meeting and then resume tomorrow with the
other things on this agenda.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: What?
MR. MUDD: Commissioner, you only have --
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COMMISSIONER COYLE: You've only got two items.
MR. MUDD: You have one --
COMMISSIONER FIALA: We have item --
MR. MUDD: You have two items.
COMMISSIONER FIALA: -- M and we have --
MR. MUDD: P.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: -- P.
MR. MUDD: That's it.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: So do you want to do all those -- you
want to do those two?
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Should take about five minutes.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: All right then.
Item #lOM
AWARD OF BID #08-5136 TO THE LOWEST QUALIFIED AND
RESPONSIVE BIDDER, QUALITY ENTERPRISES USA, INC.,
FOR THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT OF THE 951 BOAT
RAMP PARKING LOT EXPANSION PROJECT NO. 80071.
($1.393.279.65) - APPROVED
MR. MUDD: Next item's 10M. It's a recommendation for the
Board of County Commissioners to approve the award of bid number
08-5136 to the lowest qualified and responsive bidder, Quality
Enterprises USA, Inc., for the construction contract of the 951 boat
ramp parking lot expansion project, number 80071, $1,393,279.65.
Mr. Gary McAlpin, your Coastal Project Manager, will present.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Motion to approve.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Second.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Okay. I have a motion on the floor and a
second. That was a no-brainer, you're right.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Yep.
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CHAIRMAN FIALA: Any further -- any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FIALA: All those in favor, signifY by saying aye.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Aye.
COMMISSIONER HALAS: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Aye.
COMMISSIONER COLETTA: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Opposed, like sign.
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FIALA: Very good.
Item #10P
AUTHORIZING THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN CHANGE ORDER
#1 TO WORK ORDER C3TS-FT-4153-08-02 FOR DESIGN
CONSULTANT C3TS FOR THE MANATEE PARK DESIGN IN
THE AMOUNT OF $50,000.00 ON A TIME & MATERIAL, NOT-
TO-EXCEED BASIS TO PROVIDE THE SITE DEVELOPMENT
PLAN AND THE REQUIRED SFWMD PERMITS. THE NET
CONTRACTUAL VALUE OF SERVICES WILL TOTAL
$243,950.00 - MOTION TO BRING BACK WITH
CLARIFICATION - APPROVED
MR. MUDD: Commissioner, next item is lOP, which used to be
16D37, and that is a -- that is a recomm- -- that's to recommend that
the Board of County Commissioners approve and authorize the
chairman to sign change order number 1 to work order
C3TS-FT-4153-08-02 for the design consultant C3TS for the Manatee
Park design in the amount of $50,000 on a time and material
not-to-exceed basis, to provide the Site Development Plan and the
required South Florida Water Management District permits. The net
contractual value of services will total $243,950.
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This item was asked to be on the regular agenda and pulled from
the consent agenda by Commissioner Coyle.
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Okay. Very quickly_ I don't have
the slightest idea what you're doing with this thing.
MR. McALPIN: Commissioner--
COMMISSIONER COYLE: Ifyou'B turn to that section that
says caveat, an entire paragraph of caveats. I need to understand what
the implication is as far as what you're asking the contractor to do.
MR. McALPIN: Commissioner, what we originally set up to do
was put a design-build contract on this. And during -- in that process,
the contractor would develop the design package up to a point, and
then he would bring it, and then we would -- where we would clearly
identify the scope, and then we would put it out for a qualified
contractor to finish the rest of the design, get the permitting, and do
the construction.
And we did that because of the relative straightforward nature of
this job. It was basically just site development for Manatee Park.
Pretty straightforward. We thought this would be the most
economical way to do this project, but that implies that we're going to
have enough money to move forward with the funding of the
construction for this job.
As we looked at our impact fees, they continued to get tighter
and tighter, so we realize that we're not going to have enough money
at this point in time to move forward with the design-build contract.
So we're looking to change the scope of this project back to a
traditional project where the design is done by a consultant, and we
take it all the way through the design and permitting process so we can
wrap a ribbon around it. That would take about 18 months for us to
complete at this point in time. We'd have all the design and aU the
permitting complete. And then at that point in time we would make
the decision whether we would move forward with the construction at
that point in time if the funds were available.
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'./r".. .' . 1,'/ INCLUDES THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING REGULATIONS FOR
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-- BY AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING ATLAS HAP NUMBER
482728; BY CHANGING THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF
THE HEREIN DESCRIBED REAL PROPERTY FROM "E-
.. ESTATES TO -PUD" PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS
MIR-HAR FOR COMMERCIAL USES PERMITTED IN THE
RANDALL BOULEVARD COMMERCII\L DISTRICT, AS SET
FORTH IN THE GOLDEN GATE AREA MASTER PLAN, LOCATED
IN THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT OF THE INTERSECTION OF
RANDALL BOULEVARD AND THE NAPLES-IMMOKALEE ROAD
(C.R. 846), IN SECTION 27, TOIINSHIP 48 SOUTH,
RANGE 27 EAST, COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA,
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IIHEREAS, Dwight Nadeau of Meanly Engineering and Design,
Inc., representing Gerald L. and Marion M. Bray And George A.
Cannan, petitioned the Board of County Commissioners to ehange
the zoning classification of the herein described real property;
NOli, THEREFORE BE IT ORDAINED by the Board of County
Commissioners of Collier County, Florida:
SECTION ONE:
The zoning classification of the herein described real
property located in Section 27, Township 48 South, Range 27 East,
Collier County, Florida, is changed from "E" Estates to "PUD"
Planned Unit Development in accordance with the Hir-Mar PUD
Document, attached hereto as Exhibit WA" and incorporated by'
reference herein. The Official Zoning Atlas Map Number 482728, as
described in Ordinance Number 91-102, the Collier County Land
Development Code, is hereby amended accordingly.
S ECTI ON TWO:
This Ordinance shall become effective when the small scale
comprehensive plan amendment upon which it is based becomes
legally effective pursuant to Subsection 163.3187(3) (c), Florida
Statutes.
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MIR.MAR
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PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT
REGULA nONS AND SUPPORTING MASTER PLAN FOR
M1R-MAR,
A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PURSUANT TO
PROVISIONS OF THE COLLIER COUNTY
LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
PREPARED FOR:
GERALD L. " MARIAN BRAY
532 IBIS WAY
NAPLES, FLORIDA 34110
AND
GEORGE A. CANNAN
696 loni. AVENUE N.E.
NAPLES, FLORIDA 34120
PREPARED BY:
MeANLY ENGINEERING AND DESIGN,INC.
5 I 01 EAST TAMIAMI TRAIL. STE. 202
NAPLES, FLORIDA 34113
DATE REVIEWED BY CCPC
DATE APPROVED BY BCC
ORDINANCE NUMBER
AMENDMENTS AND REPEAL
8/6198
9/8198
98-72
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ExIu"bk "A"
PUD98-04
TABLE OF CONTENTS
List of Exhibits and Tables
Statement of Compliance
Section I Legal Description. Propeny Ownership and General Descriplion
Section II Projeet Development
Section III Commercial Development
Section IV Development Commitments
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LIST OF EXHIBITS
PUD MASTER PLAN
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STATEMENT OF COMPLIANCE
11le developmenl of approximalely 2.38 &cre. of property in Collier County as . Planned Unit
Dcvelopmenllo be known as Mir-Mar will be in compliance wilh the soal., objectMs and policies
of Collier County as sel forth in the Growth Manasemenl Plan. The proposed limited commen:ial
facilities of Mir-Mar PUD will be consistenl with the growth policie.. \and development
rcgulalions, and applicable comprehensive planning objectMs of each of the elements of the
Growth Manallemcnl Plan for the followinll reasons:
I. The subject property for development is within the Golden Gate Estates Dcsisnation as
identified on the Golden Gate Area Future Land Use Map, but is proposed to be an
expansion area to the Randall Boulevard Commen:ia1 Distnct throush . Small Seale Plan
Amendment pursuant to Subsection 163.3187 (1)(c), Florida Statutes.
2. The use. contemplated are consistenl with Randall Boulevard Commcreial Distnct as set
forth in the existing Golden Gale Area Master Plan.
3, The proposed PUD and expansion or.lhe Randall Boulevard Commercial District will serve
10 implement Objective 1.4. of the Golden Gate Area Master Plan by providing limited
conunercial uses to enhance the quality oflifc ohhe residents of Golden Gate Estates.
4. 11le development lIandards, landseaping and arehitectural design of the projecl will ensure
compatibility and complemenl existing surrounding \and uses,
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April 14. 200
Page 78 of 12
SECTION I
PROPERTY OWNERSHIP AND DESCRIPTION
PURPOSE
The purpose of this Section is to set forth the location and ownership of the property, and
to describe the existing conditions of the property proposed to be developed under the
project name the Mir.Mar pun.
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LEGAL DESCRIPTION
The subject 2.38: acre property is descnbcd as:
The East Y, of Tract 54, Golden Gate Estates, Unit No. 23, according to the Plat
thereof, of record in Plat Book 7, Pages 9 and 10, of the Public Records ofCoIIicr
County. Florida.
J.3 PROPERTY OWNERSHIP
The subject properlY is owned by Gerald L. Bray and Marian M. Bray. husbond and wife. as
an Estate by the entireties, and George A. Cannan, a married man. as tenants in common.
1.4 PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION
The subject property is located in the southwest quadrant of the intersection of Randall
Boulevard and the Naples. Immokalcc Road (C.R. 846), in Section 27, Township 48
South, Range 27 East. The subject property is presently undeveloped, but has been
previously disturbed through the construction of the above.referenced intcncction.
Further, the property has been traversed, through the graciousness of the property owners,
by the Big Corkscrew Island Fire Department's emergency vehicles to utilize an existing six
inch potable water wen for filling their truck water tankJ. The property contains an
admixture of both native and pioneering exotic vegetation and ill rucsscd by lIIIrTOunding
development and altered hydrology. The property is gcncrally without topographic ",lief;
with elevations ranging from t 4,0 to 14.8' above mean sea level. The proposed water
management "'gimc for the project wiD direct runoff'to the stonnwater detention areas for
water quality treatment, with outfall into the Randall Boulevardllmmokalce Road Rights-
Of. Way and to tbe Corkscrew Canal west of the project site.
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PROJECT DESCRIPTION
The Mir-Mar PUD shall be an extension of the existing Randall Boulcvard CollllllCfCiaI
District, witb conunercial development opportunity limited by the provisions of that
District. In an effort to improve ingress and egr... both 10 the PUD property and the Big
Corkscrew Island Fire Station immediately to the west, access shall be shared with the fire
station, thus providing greater turning movement onto C.R.-846, which shall be the PUD's
only primary ICCC'S. Should an agrccmcnt be reacbcd betWCC1l the OWIlCl'l of the Mjr.Mar
PUD, and the owner of lands to tbe cast, vehicular intercolUlCction of the propertico 10
hereby reserved.
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Given the nan'OW re<:lanaular shape of lhe propcr1Y IIllI constrainina parkina Ilanclanls, the
property cannot be developed wilh more lhan . 20,000 squan: fool shoppina cenler.
1.6 SHORT TITLE
This Ordinance shall be known IIllI cited as lhe "Mif.Mar Planned Unit Development
Ordinance",
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SECTION II
Agenda Item No. 7
April 14, 200
Page 80 of 12
PROJECT DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS
2.1 PURPOSE
The purpoS" of this S.ction is to delineate and generally describe the project plan of
development, ",lationships to appUcabl. County Ordinanc.s, Ibe respective land uses of the
Mir.Mar PUD development, as well as other project ",lationshipl.
2.2 GENERAL
A. Regulations for development of Mir-Mar PUD sbaD be in accordJnce with the
conlents of this docwnenl, PUD.Planned Unit Development District and other
applicable sections and parts of the Collier County Land Development Code lIIld
Gromh Management Plan in .ff.ct at the time of building permit application.
Where lhese regulations fail to provide developmental standards, then the provisions
of the most similar district in the County Land Development Code shall apply.
B. Unle.. otherwise noted, the definitions of aU terms sball be the same as the
definitions set forth in the Collier County Land Development Code in effect II the
lime of building permit applica,jon.
C. All condilions imposed and aU graphic material p",sented depicting restrictions for
the d.velopment of Mir-Mar PUD shall become part of lh. regulations which
gov.rn the mann.r in which Ibe PUD site may be developed.
D. Unless modifi.d, waived or excepted by lhis PUD, the provisions of other sections
of the Land Development Cod., wh= applicable, mnain in full force and efleet
with "'spect to the development of the land which comprises this PUD.
E, Development permitted by the approval of this petition will be subject to a
concurrency ",view under the provisions of Division 3.1 S, Adequate Public
Facilities, of the County Land Development Code,lI the earliest or next to occur of
either Final Site Development Plan, Final Plat approval, or building permit Issuance
applicable to this development.
2.3 DESCRIPTION OF PROJECT PLAN
A. The project Master Plan, including layout of proposed land \IJCI, lIIld vehicula: use
areas is illustrated graphically by Exhibit "A", PUD Master Plan.
B. In addition 10 the various areas and opecilic items shown on Exlubit "A",
....ments as necessary (utility, private, semi-private) .baD be established within the
PUD boundaries as may be necessary.
C.
The IUbject property, being of limited .ize and width. can only IUpport a ...mm."ll
of 20,000 square feel of commercial shopplnll center uses, however, the developer
reserves the right to purJ\IC developmenl aUlhority for a .inllular pennltted _, or
multiple pennitted uses on 1110'" than one parcel.
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Agenda Item NO.7
April 14, 200
Page 81 of 120
2.. PROJECT PLAN APPROVAL REQUIREMENTS
Given that Mir-Mar POO is proposed to be developed with eommercialland U!CS in no
more than three phases by the existing propeMy owner, subdivision is not anticipate.!, nor
required based on the present development intent. Should the development intent change
such that subdivision procedures are required pursuant to the Collier County Land
. Development Code (LDC). the provisions ofDivision 3.2, of tile LDC shaD apply.
^- Prior to Final Local Development Order issuance for aU or part of the POO, final
plans of aU required improvements shaD receive approval of the appropriate Collier
County govenunental agency to insure eompliance wilh the POO Master Plan InCI
the Collier County Land Development Code.
B. Exhibit "A", PUD Master Plan, conslitutes the required POO Development Plan.
Any division of property and the development of the land shaD be in compliance
with Division 3.2 of the Collier County Land Development Code, and the platting
laws of the State of Florida.
C. The provisions ofDivision 3.3 ofthe Collier County Land Development Code, when
applicable. shall apply to the development of aD platte.! traclS. or parcels of land as
provide.! in said Division prior to the issuance of a building pennit or other
development order.
D. Appropriate instruments will be provide.! at the time of inf'rastruClural improvements
regarding any dedications and method for providing perpetual maintenance of
corrunon facilities.
2.5 AMENDMENTS TO PUD DOCUMENT OR PUD MASTER PLAN
Changes and amendments may be made to this POO Ordinance or POO Master
Development Plan, Exhibit "A". as provided for in Section 2.7.3.5. of the Collier County
Land Development Code. Minor changes and refinements as describe.! in Section 4.3.C. of
this PUD document may be made in connection with any type of development or pennit
application required by the Collier County Land Development Code.
2.6 DEDICATION AND MAINTENANCE OF COMMON AREAS"" FACILmES
Easements shaU be provide.! for w.tcr management areas. .cc.... utilities and other
purposes as required. All necessary easements, de.!ications, or other instruments shaD be
granted to insure the eontinue.! opel1ltion and maintenance of aU service utilities in
compliance with applicable regulations in effect at the time of adoption of this ordinance
est.blishing Mir.Mar POO.
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LINKAGE TO COLLIER COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
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Pursuant to Suboection 2.7,3.3. 0 r the Land Development Code, upon adoption of the POO
Ordinance InCI attendant POO Master Plan. the provisions of the POO document become a
part ohhe Land Development Cod. and shaD be tho Ilandarda of development for tho POO.
Thenceforth. development in tho area deIineate.! as the POO District on the Oflicial ZoninS
Atlas will be sovemed by the adopte.! development resulations and PUD Master Plan.
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Agenda Item No. 7 A
April 14, 2009
Page 82 of 120
SECTION 11\
COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT
3.1 PURPOSE
The purpose of this Section is to texturally articulate the development plan for the project
site as depicted on Exhibit "A", PUD Master Plan.
3.2 MAXIMUM COMMERCIAL/OFFICE SQUARE FEET
A total of approximately 20,000 square feet of commcn:ialland "'" orca is proposed for the
PUD project lands. The developer reserves the right to construct the commcrcialland uses
in one, two, or three plwcs as may be dictated by market demand.
3.3 USES PERMITTED
In no instance shan the land uses permittccl hcn:in be diminished, or prolu'bitcd except
through an arncndmcntto this PUD Document.
No building or structure, or part thereof, shall be erected, altered or used, or land used, in
whole or in part, for other than the following:
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A. Principal Uses
I) Automobile Service Station
2) Barber and Beauty Shops
3) Child Care Centers
4) Convenience Stores
5) Drug Store.
6) Food Markets
7) Hardware Stores
8) Laundries. SelfScrvice Only
9) Post Offices, and Professional Offices (including branch banks)
]0) Repair Shops - Radio, TV, Small Appliances and Shoes
11) Restaurants, including fast food restaurants, but not drive-in rcstaunmts
12) ShoPPinll Center
13) Veterinary Clinics with no outside kennclina
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Agenda Item NO.7
April 14. 200
Page 83 of 12
B.
Accessory Uses
Accessory uses and struClureS customarily associated with the pennilled principal
uses and st!\lctures, including, bul not limited to:
I) Parking facilities and Signage.
3,. DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS
A. GENERAL: Except as provided for herein, all criteria set forth below IhaII be
understood to be in relalion 10 individual parcel or lot boundary lines, or between
structures, Commercial condominium association boundaries shaD not be utilized
for detennining developmentltandards,
B. MINIMUM LOT AREA: 10,000 square feel.
C, AVERAGE LOT WIDTH: 100 feet.
D. MINIMUM YARDS:
I) Front Yard: 75 feet. No parking shall be pennilled, nor any merchandise stored
or displayed in the front yard setback area.
2) Side Yard: 30 feet.
3) Rear'Yard: 75 feet.
E. MINIMUM DISTANCE BETWEEN .STRUCTURES: 10 feet.
F. MAXIMUM HElGlIT: 25 reet.
G. MINIMUM FLOOR AREA: 1000 square feet gross floor area per principal
structure, on the ground floor.
H. OFF-STREET PARKING AND LOADING REQUIREMENTS:
A. required by Division 2.3 of the Collier County Land Development Code in efl'ect
althetime of Site Development Plan approval
l. ARCffiTECTIJRAL UNIFORMITY:
CommerciaVofIice development in IIUJ POO shall have a common architeclllral
theme for all st!\lctures. Guidance for the commonality of architecture may be
derived from Division 2.8. of the Land Development Code, or may be unique to the
POO. CommerciaVofIice development .ite design IhaII confonn with the guidelines
and standard. of Division 2.8. of the Land Development Code.
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SECTION IV
Agenda Item No. 7 A
April 14, 2009
Page 84 of 120
DEVELOPMENT COMMITMENTS
4.1
PURPOSE
The purpose of lhis Section is to set forth the development commitments for the
developmenl of the project.
4.1 GENERAL
All facilitics shall be constructed in strict accordance with Final Site Development PIIm.
Final Subdivision Plans and all applicable State and local laws. codes, and regulations
applicabte 10 this POO. Except where lpCCilicaJly noled or stated otherwise, the standards
and specifications of the Land Development Code of Division 3.2 shall apply to this project
even if the land within the POO is not to be plaued. The developer, his successor and
assigns shall be responsible for the commitments outlined in this document.
The developer, his su=ssor or uaiBJlCC, shall follow the Muter Development Plan and the
regulations of the PUD as adopted, and any other conditions or modifications as may be
agrced to in the rezoning of the property. In addition. any successor or uaigncc in tillc to
lhe developer is bound by any commitments within this agreement. These commitmcntJ
may be assigned'or delegated to a COl'lllllCrCiaI condominium asaociation. as may be created
by the Developer. Upon assigMlCllt or delegation. the Developer shall be released from
responsibility for the commitments.
4.3 PUD MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN
A.. Exhibit" A ft, POO Master Plan illustrates the proposed development and is
conceptual in nature. Proposed land use layout shall nol be construed to be final,
and may be varied at anytime at any subsequent approval phase. Subject to the
provisions of Section 2.7,3.5 of the Land Development Code, amendments may be
made from time to time.
B. All necessary casements, dedications, or other instruments shall be granted to insure
the continued operation and maintenance of all services and all common areas in the
project.
C. The Community Development and Environmental Services Administrator. or his
designee, shaI1 be authorized 10 approve minor changes and refinements to the Mir-
Mar POO Master Plan upon written request of the developer.
I) The following limitations shall apply to such requests;
.. The minor change or re8ncmcnt ahall be consistent whb the CoWer
County Growth Management Plan and the Mir-Mar POO document.
b. The minor change or refinement shaI1 DOt constitute a substantial change
pursuant to Subsection 2.7.3.5.1. of the Collier CoWlty Land
Development Code.
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c, The minor change or refinement shall be compalible wilh odjacent land
uses, and shall nol creale delrimental impacls to abuning land uses,
waler management facililies, or external to the PUD boundaries.
Agenda Item No. 7A
April 14, 2009
Page 85 of 120
2)
The following shall be considered minor changes or refinements, subject to
the limitations of Subsection 4.3.C.l) of this document;
a. Reconfiguration of water management facilities where such changes are
consistent with the criteria of Collier County,
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Minor changes and refinemenls, as dcscnbed above, shall be reviewed by
appropriate County staff 10 e!l$ure compliance with all appHcable County
Ordinances and regulatio!l$ prior 10 lhe Administrator's consideration for
approval.
4)
Approval by lhe Administrator of a minor change or refinemenl may occur
independently from and prior 10 any applicalion for Subdivision or Site
Development Pian approval, however, Ihe Administrator. or his designee's
approval shall not constitute an authorization for development or
implementation of the minor change or refinement without first obtaining all
applicabte County or City permits and approvals.
4,4 SCHEDULE OF DEVELOPMENTIMONITORING REPORT AND SUNSET
PROVISION
A. This PUD is subject to the Sunset Provisions of Section 2.7.3.4 of the Land
Development Code.
B. An aMUlI POO monitoring report shall be submined pursuant to Section 2.7.3.6 of
t he Land Development Code.
4.5 TRANSPORTATION
A. Arterial level streetlighling shall be required at the projecl access point on CR 846,
with said lighting installed prior to issuance of the first Certificale of Occupancy.
B, Adequate turn lanes shall be designed to serve the project. and shaD be reviewed at
the site plan approval stage of development. A site-specific access plan shaD be
developed at the applicant', IOle expense, and shall be reviewed and approved by
the County prior to issuance of any building permits.
C. The POO Docwnent references the potential for future interconnection with
adjacent properties 10 the east. NOlwithstanding the provisions of the RandaU
Center PUD, for which the developer has no responsibility, such interconnection
may be provided al the earlier of either an agreement being reached between the
adjoining property owners, or a request by the County Transportalion Services
Department to facililate traffic flow, and safe operations.
D. There shall be no direct access to Randall Boulevard pennined for lhis site.
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Agenda Item NO.7
April 14, 200
Page 86 of 12
4.6 WATER MANAGEMENT
The development of this PUD Master Development Plan shaD be subjc:ctto IIId so>emed
by lhe following eonditions:
A. Detailed paving, grading IIId site drainage plans shan be submilled to Engineerins
Review Services Section for review IIId approval. No construction permits shaD be
issued unless IIId until approval of the proposed eonstruction, in accordance with
the approved plans is granted by County Engineering Review Services.
4.7 UTILITIES
Given that the project site is not presently serviced with centrally provided potable water or
sanitary sewer, the project shall utili2e wen IIId septic systems.
4.8 ENVIRONMENTAL
A, An exotic vegetation removal, monitoring, and maintenance (exotic-free) plan for
the sile shall be submilled to Current Planning EnviroMlCntal Review Stall' for
review and approval prior to final site plan/construction plan approval.
B. The PUD shall retain the appropriate amount of existing native vegetation to be
preserved in its entirety, with aIItrces, understory IIId Sround covers left intact and
undisturbed, except for prohibited exotic species removal. For this parcel. a
minimum of 9000 square feet of exist inS native vesetation shall be retained or
mitigated for in accordance with Section 3.9.5.5.4.. LOC.
C. The PUD shall be consistent with the EnviroMlCntal Sections of the Collier County
Growth Management Plan Conservation IIId Coastal Manascmcnt Element, and the
Collier County Land Development Code in effect at the time of final development
order approval.
O. Pursuant to Section 2.2.25.8.1. of the Land Development Code, if during the count
of site cJearing, excavation or other construction activity, an hiuoric or
archaeolosical artifact is found, all development within lbe minimum area necessary
to protectlhe discovery shall be immediately stopped, and the Collier County Code
Enforcement Department contacted.
4.9 SIGNS
All signs shall be in accordance witb Division 2.5 of Collier County's Land Development
Code in effect at the time of zoning approval.
4,10 LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, BERMS, FENCES AND WALLS
Landscape buffers, benna, fences and walls are senerally pennilled as a principal use
throughoulthe Mir.Mar PUD, and except as provided for berein. buffer impro_ shaD
be in conformance with Division 2.4 of tho CoWer Cowtly Land Development Code.. The
folJowlnS standards shall apply:
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Agenda Item NO.7 A
April 14, 2009
Page 87 of 120
A. Landscape berms shall have the maximum side slopes:
1) Grassed berms 4: 1
2) Ground covered berms 3:1
3) Rip-Rap berms 1:1
4) Structural walled berms may be vertical
B,
Fence or wall maximum height: 9 feet, as measured from the finishecI Jl8de of the
ground at the base of the fence or walt For the purpose: of this provision, finished
grade shan be considered no greater than I B inches above tbe crown eIcvalion of the
nearest existing road, unIeu the fence or wall is constructed on a perimeter
landscape berm. In these cases, the fence or wall shaI1llOt exceed 6 feet in heiaht
from the top of berm elevation with en average side slope of greater than 4:1 (i.e.
3:1,2:\, 1:1. or vertical).
C. Pedestrian sidewall<s, bike paths, water management facilities end _ may be
allowed in landscape buffer areas, so long as landscape buffer is increased by the
equivalent width.
4.11 LANDSCAPING FOR OFF.STREET PARKING AREAS
All landscaping for off.street parking areas shaI1 be in accordance with Division 2.4 of the
Collier County Land Development Code in effect at the time of Site Development Plan
application.
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Aprir'14, 2009
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I, DWIGHT E. BROCK, Clerk of Courts in and for the Twentieth
Judicial Circuit, Collier County, Florida, do hereby certify that the
foregoing is a true copy of:
ORDINANCE NO. 9B-72
Which wae adopted by the l'~ard of County Co...issioners on the
Bth day of September, 199B, during Regular Session.
WITNESS my hand and the official seal of the Board of County
Commissioners of Collier County. Florida, this 10th day of September,
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April 14, 2009
Page 90 of 120
(VI)(IX)(X) 3. RandIIII Boulwmd eo...l...-r;'" SU.......... - Recognizing the unique
development pattern nl c:h8racteriIIics of IlmIUI'lding land U&8S, the Randall
Boulevard Commerdal Subclstrict hall been dllsIgnated on the Golden Gate Area
Future Land Use Map. The SUbdl8trict is c;omprleed of the following properties: TI'lIct
71, Golden Gete EIIl8Iea, Unit 23; and the East 165 feet of Tract 54. Golden Gete
EIIl8Iea, Unit 23. See Map 14.
a) The Criteria for the al.tldistric:t are as follows:
. AD commerdal development is encouraged to be In the form of a PUD.
. Projects cinlCIIy abutting Estates zoned property shall provide, at a
minimum, a 75-foot buffer of I etlIiIled native vegetation in which no pII1dng
or water III8fllllI8IIMl US88 are pemlillBd; except that, when abutting
condllionalU&8S no auch buffer is required.
. Shared parUlg shall be required with adjoining de1.'O/opmenls whenever
postlible.
b) Umilallon of Uses . l.I8es ahall be limited to the following:
. Aut0m0bIIe Service Station;
. Barber & Beauty Shops;
. Convenience Stores;
. Drug Storas;
Food Markets;
Hardware Stores;
Laundries. Self Service Only;
Post Ol'fIoea and Professional Office8;
Repair Shops - RadIo, TV, Sma/I ApplIances and Shoes;
Restaurants, including fast food restaurants but not drive-in restaurants
Shopping Center;
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(VI)(X) ... eon-rct.! W......... Ea""- InfIIlSUbdlatrlct - The purpose of the
SUbcll8lrict is to anow for limited commercial and/or medical office uses, in
re<:ognlllon of the 8Ubjecl property's unsultal:llllty for 8lngle-family residential
development. Umlted commercial and/or mecflC8l UlI8ll at this Iocstion will also
88lIist In reducing the distance and the number of vehicular trips generated within
the general area through trip capture. The stanc:Wtl8 contalnecIln this SUbdi8trict
are designed to ensure that UlI8ll within the SUbcll8trict win be compatible with
nearby re8ldentiaI de\IeIopment. A loop road shall be required through the property
to connect Vanderbilt Beach Road with Coller Boulevard wiD allo serve to lessen
vehicular trips through the intersection.
a) Size and Location:
(VII)(V1I1) The SUbdlstri<:t includes a 6.23-acre parcel, located at the southwest comer of
Vanderbilt Beach Road and Collier Boulevard (see Map 16). The percel is
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Gears_ Can:c.an. petitioned tbe Board of County C~1..1cn.r. to
chaD.a the ZoaiDl Cla8a1f1~.t1an at tha berein deacribed real
property;
lOW, TBD.UOU BE IT 0IDAI1I'lD by the Board of Count,.
eo-ua1.onen of Colliar Couut,.. norida:
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Tha Zoniol Cla..ifieatioD of the herain describ.d raal property
located iD SectlOtl 27, Township 48 South. Ilatlge 27 !ast, Collltlr
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County, Florida 1e changed fr~ "En lata tea to o.pUD" PlA.nDed Dnit
Devalo,..nt in accordance with tbe PUD doc~ent attach.d hare to .a
!shib!t "An which 1. incorporatad barein and by raferance wade part
bereo!. Th. Otficial IoDing Atla. ~p Ru.b.r 48-27, a. de.er-tbee! ia
Ord1M.DCa 82--2. b hereby _ended aecardlngly.
SECTION 'IVO:
Thb OrJiJ:..ance .hall bacOM affective upon rIlceipt of notic.
tbat 1. ha. bean fll.d witb the Secretary of State.
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INDEX & LIST OP EXHIBITS
SECTION I GENERAL DEVELOPMENT INPO~~TION
SECTION II DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND STANDARDS
SECTION III ryEVELOPMENT COi'IJIITMENTS
EXHIBIT
PRELIIHNARY P.U.D. MASTER PLAN
(Prepared by Agno11, Assaad, Barber & Brundage,
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SECTION 1
OENERAL DEVELOPMENT INFORMATION
1.01
INTRODUCTIOK AND PURPOSE
It 18 the intent of Donald George Cannan; hereinafter called
"applicant" or "developer"; to establish and develop a
commercial Planned Unit Development (PUD) on certain
properties located in Collier County. Plorida.
1.02 SHORT TITLE
Th18 Ordinance/PUD development I!lha.ll be known an,j el tee: aa
The Rand~11 Boulevard Center. P.U.D..
1.03 UNIPIED CON1ROL
Subject property Ie currently under the unified control of
the Applicant/Developer.
1.04 STATEMEIIT OF COMPLIANCE
This PUD Is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and other
applicable development regulations In Collier County.
1.05 GENERAL DESCRIPTION
Subject property Is approximately 5.00 acres and 18
approximately located at the Inter8~ct1on of lmmokalee Road
and Randall Boulevard. It 1s the intent or the developer to
provide a convenience ehopping center facility 1n accordance
with this document.
1.07 LEGAL DESCRIPTION
Tract 71. Unit 23, Oolden O~te Estates
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DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND STANDARDS
2,01 PURP08E
The purpose of this section ia to set forth the regulationa
for the development of the subject property.
2.02 PERMITTED USES AND STRUCTURES
No building or structure, or part thereof, shall be erected,
altered or u~ed, or land or water use~, 1n whole or 1n part.
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(1) Automobile service stations without repairs.
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(3) Convenience stores.
(~) Drug stores.
(5) Food market..
(6) Hardware storel.
(7) Laundries - eel! eervice only.
(8) Poet ofrices and professional offices.
(9) Repair shops - radio, TV, amall appliances, shoes;
and .restaurants - not including drive-lna.
(10) Shopping c~nter - not to exceed 25,000 square feet.
(11) Veterinary clinics - no outside kenneling.
8. Permitted Princlpal Uses and Structures ReQu1r-in~ Site
Plan A,proval
1. Child care centere.
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C. Permitted Accessory Uaes and Structures
1. Accessory usee and structureo customarily associated
with the usee permitted 1n this district.
2. Caretaker'e rellldence.
3. Signa as permitted by the Collier County Zoning
Ordinance 1n effect at the time pe~lta are
requee ted.
2.03 PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT REOULATIONS
2.03.01 GENERAL:
All yards, setbacks, etc., ahall be in relation to
the tract boundarlea.
2.03.02 MINIMUM SETBACKS:
(a) Front yard - seventy-rive (751) feet. No
parking ehall he allowed nor an,)' merchandise
stored or displayed.
(b) Side yard - thirty (30r) feet.
(c) Rear Yard - seventy-f1ve (7S') teet.
Cd) Dietance between any two prinCipal structures:
ten (10) feet.
2.03.03 MINIMUM FLOOR AREA OR PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE:
One thousand (1,000) square teet per building on
ground rloor.
2.03.04 MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF STRUCTURES:
Twenty-five (25') feet.
2.03.05 SIGNS AND MINIMUM OFF-STREET PARKING:
As may be permitted or required by the appl1cable
Collier County Zoning Ordinance in effect at the
time a permit 18 requested.
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A. Landscaping, bufrer areas and supplementary
district zoning regulations that may be
appllc~ble to certain uses above shall be
adhe~ed to unlesa 1n conflict with any of the
intent or the provisions specified hereln.
B. Merchandise storage and display. Outside
storage or dlsplay of merchandise 18
prohibited.
C. Lighting facilities ahall be arranged 1n a
manner which wl11 protect roadwaye and
nelghborolng properties from direc't glare or
other interference. Light1ng facilitles ahall
be limited to fifteen (15) feet.
O. The buffer areas 8a ahown on the master plan
are expected to exceed the minimum requirementa
and ahall be supplemented with addit10nal
nat1ve apec1ee. Landscap1ng ehall be agreed
upon by the natural resource management
department and planning etaff prior to the
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DEVELOPMENT COMllITMENTS
3.01 PURPOSE
The purpose or th1a Seot1on 18 to eet forth th~ gene~al
commitments tor development ot the project.
3.02 DEVELOPMENT PLAN
A. The proposed Maeter Plan illustrates the tentative
devel~pment, usee and locations ot certaln facilities.
B. The design criteria and layout illustrated on the Master
Plan ahall be understood aa flexible 80 that the tlnal
dealgn may best satlety the project and comply with all
applicable requirements.
C. Minor design changes, such aa but not 11mlte~ to,
locations or buildings. distribution ot dwelling unita,
building types, ete., ahall be permitted subject to the
starr approval.
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regulations, including the installation or a sprinkler
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B. A hydrant or pump system must be included to SUpply the
water to .suppress a fire.
3.04 ACCESS/TRAFPIC CONSIDERATIONS
A. The project ahall be access1ble only trom Randall
Boulevard .
B. The Developer ehall provide lert and right turn lanes on
C.R. 8~6 at its intersection with Randall Boulevard. The
Developer shall also provide arterial level atreet
lighting at this intersection.
C. These 1mprovements are cons1dered "alte related" as
defined 1n OrdInance 85-55 and ehall not be ~pplied as r
credits toward any impact fees requi~ed by tnat
Ordinance.
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3.05 WATER MANAGEMENT CONSIDERATIONS
Detailed site drainage plana shall be eubmltte~ to the
County Engineer for review. No conB~ructlon p~rmlt8 shall
be issued unle~s and until approval of the proposed
conetruetlon in accordance with the nubmltted :Jlane Is
granted by the County Engineer.
3.06 ENGINEERING CONSIDERATIONS
A. Detailed sIte plans shall be eubmitted for review.
B. Waiver of platting, or platting, ehall be required.
3.07 UTILITIES cnNSIDERATIONS
A. Water and Sewer
1) Water dlstr1butl1on and sewage collection and
transmission systems wIll be constructed throughout the
project development by the developer pureuent to all
current requlrements of Collier County and the State or
Plor1da. Water and sewer facl11tle~ constructed within
platted right5-of-way or within utility easements
required by the County ahall he conveyed to the County
for ownership, operation and maintenance purpo8es
pureuant to appropriate County Ordlnance~ and
regulation3 in effect at the time of conveyance. All
water and sewer facilities constructed on prlva:e
property and not required by the County to be located
within utility easements shall be owned, operated and
maintained by the Developer, his assigns or succeSBors.
Upon completion of construction of the weter and se~er
facilities within the project, the facilities will be
tested to insure they meet Collier County's utility
construction requirements 1n effect at the t~me
const~uctio~ plans are approved. The above tasks must
be completed to the satisfaction of the Utilities
Division prior to placing any utility facilities, County
owned or prIvately owned, into service. Upon completion
of the water and/or ~ewer facilit1e~ and prior to the
1ssuance of Certificates of Occupancy for structures
within the project the utility facilities ~hall be
con'leyed to the County. when required by the Utilities
Div181on, pursuant to County Ordinances and Regulat10ns
1n effect at the time conveyance is requested.
2) All conatruction plane and technical epeci:icatlone
and propoaed pI8t~. lr applicable, for th~ propo~ed
vater distribution and sewage collection and
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3) All customers connecting to the water distribution
and sewage collection facilities will be customers of
the County and will be billed by the County 1n
aeeordance with the County's established rates. Should
the County not be 1n a position to provide water and/or
eewer service ~o the project, the water and/or sewer
cuatomers shall be customers of the interim utility
established to serve the project until the County's
orr-aite water and/or eewer facilities are available to
serve the project.
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w111 ultimately supply potable water to meet the
consumptive demand an~/or receive and treat the sewage
generated by th1s project. Should the County system not
be in a position to !upply potable water to the project
and/or receive the project's wastewater at the time
development commence!. the Developer, at hi~ expense,
wIll install and operate interlm water supply and
on-site treatment faclllt1es and/or interim on-site
sewage treatment and disposal facilities adequate to
meet all requirement~ ot the appropriate regulatory
agenclee.
5) An Agreement shall be entered lnto between the
County and the Developer. blnding on the Developer, hi8
asslgns or successors, legally acceptable to the County,
prior to the approval or constructlon documents for the
proposed project, stating that:
a) The proposed water supply and on-alte treatment
facilit1es ard/or on-aj.te waetewater treatment and
disposal facilities. if requ1red, are to be constructed
as part of the proposed project and must be regarded as
interim; they ahall be constructed to State ~jd Pedera:
standards and are to be owned. operated and malntalned
by the Developer. his ass1gns or successors until such
tlme an the County's oft-alte water faoilities and/or
Of[-81:e sewer facilities are available to service the
proJect. The Inter~m treatment facilities shall SUPPly'
services only to th~se lands owned by the Developer and
approved by the County for development. The utlllty
facl1ity(les) may not be expanded to provide water
and/or sewer servIce o'ltside the development boundary
approved by the County without the wrItten consent of
the County.
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tael1ltie~, and/or sewer facllities, the Developer, his
aaeigns or successors shall abandon, dia~antle and
remove from the ~lte the lnterim water and/or sewage
treatment facility and discontinue use of the water
lu~ply source, if applicable, 1n a manner conaiatent
with State of Florida Dtandards. All work related with
this activity shall be performed at no cost to the
County.
e~ Connection to the County's off-site water and/or
sewer facllitles will be made by the owners, their
assigns or successors at no cost to the County within go
days after such facilities become avaIlable. The coat
of connection shall include, but not be llm~ted to, all
engineering design and preparation of construction
documents, permitting, modification or refitting of
existing sewage pumping facilities or construction of
new master sewage pumping facilities, interconnection
with County ofr-aite faCilities, water and/or sewer
lines necessary to make the connection(s), etc.
d) At the time County off-aite water and/or sewer
facilities are available tor the project to connect
with, the follOwing water and/or sewer facilities shall
be conveyed to the County pursuant to appropriate County
Ordinances and Regulation! in effect at the time:
1) All water and/or sewer facilities constructed 1n
publicly owned rights-ot-way or within utility
easements required by the County within the project
limits required to make connection with the County's
off-site water and/or sewer facllitiesj or.
2) All water And sewer facilities r~qulrr1 to
connect the project to the County's off-site water
andlor sewer facilities when the on-81t~ water
and/or sewer facilitIes are constructed on private
property and not required by the County to be
located withln utility eaaements, including but not
limited to the following:
a) Main eewage 11ft Btation and (ol'ce main
interconnecting with the County sewer facillt~e8
including all utility eAeements neceseary.
b) Water di8tribution facilltie~ from the point
of connection with the County's water facilities
to the master water meter eerving the project,
including all utility eaeement~ neceseary.
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e) The customers served on an inter1m ba~1~ by the
ut1l1ty sY8tem constructed by the Developer ;Jhall become
customers of the County at the time when C01.:11ty off-8ite
water and/or 8ewer facilities are available ~o serve the
project and such connection is made. Prior ~o
connection of the project to the CountY'B Of:-eite water
and/or aewer facilities the Developer. hi! ensigns, or
successors shall turn over to the County a complete list
or the customers served by the interim utili:ies system
and shall not compete with the County for ttle eervice or
th)se customers. The Developer shall also p~ovlde the
County with a detailed inventory of the facillt1es
served within the project and the entity whl~h will be
responsible for the water and/or sewer 5ervi~e bi1lin6
tor the pI' oj ect.
t) All construction plans and technical specifications
related to connections to the County's orf-~lte water
and/or sewer facilities will he Bubmitted to the
Ut11ities Division for review and approval prior to
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pa1 all system development charges at the time that
Building Permits are required, pursuant to appropriate
County Ordinances and Regulations 1n effect at the time
ot Permit rcquevt. This requirement shall be made kno~n
to all prospective buyer! of properties for which
bUilding permitn wIll be required prior to the ~tart of
building construction.
h) The County will lease to the Developer for operatton
and maintenance the water distribution and/or sewage
collection and transmission system for the sum of SlO.OO
per year. when such system is not connected to the
Off-site water nnd/or sewer facilities owned and
operated ~y the County. Terms of the lea8e ahrll be
determined upon completion of the proposed utility
construction and prior to activation of the water
supply, treatment and distribution facilities and/or the
sewage collec~ion. transmls810n and treatment
facilities. The Lease. if required, shall remain in
effect until th~ County can provide water and/or aewer
servIce through its Off-site facilities or untIl such
t1me that bulk rate water and/or sewer service
agreements are negoti~ted with the interim utility
system serving ~he prOject.
B) Data required under County Ordinance No. 80-112 showing
the aval1abllitJ of sewage service, must be submitted
and approved by the Utilities Division prior to approval
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copy of the approved DER permits for the sewage
collection and transmission systems end the wastewater
treatment facility to be utilized, upon receipt thereof.
C) It an Interim on-sIte w~ter supply, treatment and
tran~mlaalon facility 1a utilized to serve the proposed
project, it must be properly sized to supply average and
peak day domestic dem~nd. 1n addition to fire flow
demand at a rate approved by the appropriate Pire
Control District servicing the project area.
0) Construction and ownership of the water and sewer
facllities, including any proposed interim ~ater and/or
sewage treatment facilitIes, shall be 1n com~llance with
all Utilities Dlvie10n Standarde, Po11ciee, :!rd1nances,
Practicea, etc. in effect at the time conB:r~ctlon
approval is requested.
E) Detailed hydraulic dealgn reporte covering the water
diatribut10n and sewage collection and transm1eeion
systems to serve the project must be subcitted with the
conetructlon documente tor the project. The reports
shall list all deaign assumptiona. demand rates and
other factors pertinent to the system under
conL!l1deration.
F) This project must have a wastewater treatment plant
permjtted by DER. The project is not suitable tor
septic system and draintlelds. Potable water must aleo
be permitted by DER. Any e~tabllshment reQulr'ng a
CCPHU permit must submit plans for review and approval.
3.08 ENVIRO~ENTAL CONSIDERATIONS
A. If possible. structures should be placed to prevent the
destruction of exietlng mature. old slash pines. If
necesBary, the mature cabbage palm should be relocated
and used for landscaping.
B. PacilitieL!l should be deelgned to reduce the amount of
impervious surface; perhaps an alternative would be
extensive use ot pavement (paver) bricks.
c. F1berglass tanks shall be used for underground storage
of gasoline; in addition. as outlined In DER
regulations, the moat stringent options concerning
underground storage, containment. and monitor1ng should
be used for the gasoline facil1ties.
D. A aite c~earing plan shall be submitted to the Natural
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Development Division tor their review and approval prior
to any substantial work on the slte. This plan may be
submitted 1n phases to colnelde with th~ development
schedule. The elte clearing plan ahall clearly depict
how final elte layout incorporates retained native
vegetation to the maximum extent possible And how roads.
buildings. lakes, parking lots, and other facilities
have been orler.ted to accommodate this goal.
E. NatIve spec lee ahall be utilized, where ava:lable, to
the maxlm'Jm extent possible 1n the aite landscaping
design. A landscaping plan will be submitted to the
Natural Resources Management Department and the
Community Development Division for their review and
approval. This plan will depict the incorporation of
native species an~ their mix with other species, if any.
The goal of site l~ndsc&plng shall be the r~-creation of
native vegetation and habitat characterlst:cs lost on
the alte during construction or due to past activitie,.
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',Po It durin3 the course of aite clearing. excavation, or
other constructional activities. an archaeological or
historical site. artiract, or other indicator 1s
d18cover~~. all development at that location ahall be
Imm~diately stopped and the Natural Resources Management
Department notified. Devel~pment will be 8uspended for
a suff1cient length of time to enable the Nhtural
Re30urce3 Management Department or a de81gn~ted
consultant to assess the rind and determ1ne the proper
course of action in regard to lts 8alvageabl1~ty. The
Natural Resources Management Department w1ll respond to
any such notification 1n a timely and efficient manner
80 as to prov1de only a minimal interruption to any
con5tr~ctlonal activlt1es.
G. The Natural Resource Management Department, Building
Department and Water Management Department shall monitor
the final deaign. permitting and construction phase to
assure greatest protection of the future potable water
sOUr'"ce.
H. Subject property shall have a maximum of five (5) acres.
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II Vaffa. Aasaad, .. owner or author!%ed asent for Petition
1.-86-3C. agree to the following !Itlpulat1one nquuted by the CoUter
Couaty Planning Cammi..lrn in their pub lie hesrina on June 5. 1986.
A. Section 2.02.A. Delete 112 .a the liat of us..s appear. to be more
than adequate for tbe .1%e of paree!.
I. Section 2.03.06A. The landacapins propo.ed ahould b~ batter
defined. The buffeT area ahould include all of the aetback
are.. and be heavily vegetated with eXisting and additional
native speciea. The buffer .hould exceed the minimum
requlre=enta to .ittgate the impact on future re.ldenc~s In
this area. Therefore at.ff recommend. that the lan.cApiag
be agreed upon by the Natural ie.curce ~nagement Department
and planning staff prior to tbe i,auanee of building permits.
c. Section 2.03.06.11. Ddete "Onlen speeificdly permitted for a
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I). S.ct1ou 2.0:L06.C. Add that l1Shting fadl1t1u should be UJuud
to 15 het.
I. Sactiou 3.02.D. Delete
r. Section 3.08 Add G. The Xatural ....ouree ....nagelllent Depart.u!nt.
Building O.part..at and 1fater Hanal_ent Department .ha.ll aonUor
the ftCAl d.aiID. permitting and eODatruetion phaae to aSBure
greateat protection of the future potable Yater source.
G. Add lAC, WHAB, Traffie. Otiliti..s, Engineering. Envlrc~ental
B.alth. and the Fire Control District'a etipulations.
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Agenda Item No. 7 A
April 14, 2009
Page 108 of 120
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ENGINEERING AND DESIGN, INC. REPARESENTING GERALD L. AND MARION M.
BRAY, AND GEORGE A CANAAN, REQUESTING A REZONE FROM "E" ESTATES TO
"PUD" PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO BEK NOWN AS MIR-MIR PUD FOR
COMMERCIAL USES PERMITTED IN THE RANDALL BOULEVARD COMMERCAIL DISTRICT
AS SET FOR~H IN THE GOLDEN GATE AREA MASTER PLAN FOR PROPERTY LOCATED
IN THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT OF THE INTERSECTION OF RANDALL BOULEVARD AND
THE NAPLES IMMOKALEE ORAD - ADOPTED WITH CHANGES
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CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Okay. Moving along.
This is an estates to a PUD known as Mir-Mar,
permitted in the Randall Boulevard commercial
in the Golden Gate area master plan.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: I'm sorry, you said Mir-Mar?
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: It is Mir-Mar, not what is printed on --
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Not Mir-Mir?
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Not Mir-Mir.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: A Russian space probe PUD.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: It says Mir~Mar on one of our documents and
Mir-Mir on the other one. So it's Mir-Mir on the wall.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: I,'m glad to COITect that, because I was
going against it all the way with Mir-Mir, the name.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Too strange.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Ms. Murray?
MS. MURRAY: Susan Murray, for the record, planning services.
This is very straightforward. This is actually a -- I'm sorry,
we need to be sworn.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Yes, you do. I apologize. That's my
inadequacy and inefficiency.
All those wishing to speak to this item, please rise and be sworn
in by our court reporter.
(All speakers were duly sworn.)
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Okay, do we have any disclosures on this?
CO:tYIMISSIONER HANCOCK: No, I don't think I've had any contact
with anyone on this.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Nor have I. I don't think -- I don't --
MR. NADEAU: Way baok.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Way back? Way back. You can't get too far
back and expect us to remember this.
COMJvlISSIONER HANCOCK: Let the .record show that the chairman's
memcry stops at three weeks.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: The chairman admits to mental deficiency, and
many of the people have k~own that for a long time. But as -- anyway,
if I have had any contact, it has been some time ago.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: You forgot.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: And I don't remember it, so it's not going to
be influential anyway.
Please go ahead.
MS. MURRAY: Again, Susan Murray for the record. This is a
companion item to a small-scale future land use map amendment which
you approved via the summary agenda earlier this morning. It's a 2.38
acre parce~. It's on the south side of Immokalee Road. It's between
the existing Randall Boulevard commercial center and the Big Corkscrew
Island Fire Station. The PUD purports to develop the site with a
maximum of a 20,000 sq~are foot shopping center --
COMMISSIONER MACtKIE: Ms. Murray, can I interrupt you --
MS. MURRAY: Yes.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: -- to ask a question? How did this one
Petition PUD-98-4.
for commercial uses
district, as set forth
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Agenda Item No. 7A
April 14, 2009
Page 109 of 120
fail to qualify for the summary agenda?
MS. MURRAY: I actually received a letter in opposition from an
attorney representing the property owners to the east. An objection
to a depiction of a potential future access between the two
properties. Additionally, the future land use map amendment needed to
be approved prior to this rezoning in order for it to be consistent
with
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: I see.
MS. MURRAY: -- the map.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: :'m so=ry. But it does seem to me to be a
straightforward no-brainer, unless there's a particular issue. Is
there a speaker who has an objection?
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: And I'm sorry, now that I see the
location, Dwight, I think we did have a conversation on this.
So rIm fou= weeks, Ba=b.
CPAIRPERSON BERRY: Four weeks?
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Okay, Itm
MR. FERNANDEZ: You have two speakers
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: -- up to five weeks.
MR. FERNANDEZ: -- Madam Chairman.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Itll make a disclosure, too.
MR. FERNANDEZ: YOL have two speakers, Madam Chairman.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: We do have speakers? All right, let's go to
the public speakers on it --
MS. MURRAY: Certainly.
CFAIRPERSON BERRY: -- please,
MR. FERNN~DEZ: Dwight Nadeau.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: He1s the petition -- one of the petitioner's
representatives?
MR. NADEAU: Good morn~ng, co~~issioners. For the record, my
name is Dw~ght Nadeau, planning director for McAnly Engineering and
Design, representing the applicants for this PUD 98-4, presented
before you.
As Planner Murray described, it is a 2.38-acre piece of property.
And by virtue of the adoption of the CPSS-98-1 in ~he summary agenda,
the proposed rezone is now consistent with the Gelden Gate area master
plani therefore, we have a piece of Estates property now within the
Randall Boulevard commercial designation.
The next step, now that we have the enabling legislation, would
be to move forward with the PUD, which wi},l allow only those
commercial land uses allowed within the Randall Boulevard commercial
district.
COMMISSIONER MACtKIE: Do you know what the controversy is, or
what ~he one complaint is? Because--
MR. NADEAU: Yes, I do, actually. In communications with the
property owner and the adjacent property owner, as well as Mr. Kant,
from capital projects -- zransportation, ~rm sorry. We were trying to
improve some of the traffic circulation patterns, because the Randall
Boulevard PUD to the east of me -~ or east of the subject property has
some significant intersection improvemen~s that would be required,
should they ever expand. And we also had some safety and some
security issues with the Big Corkscrew Island Fire Station, which is
immediately to the west of us on the west half of tract 54. And to
assist the community needs, we1re going to share access with the fire
station. We're going to expand the width of the road on Immokalee
Road. We will only take major access off of Immokalee Road.
But should there be an agreement between the adjacent property
Agenda Item No. 7 A
April 14, 2009
Page 110 of 120
owner, being the Randall Boulevard PUD, where the Mobil Station is and
the Taco Caliente and the bank, Community Bank, we suggested, and it
was welcomed by the adjacent property owner, to provide a potential
future interconnect to relieve some of the traffic problems.
Well, ironically the attorney for the property owner of Randall
Boulevard Center wrote -- told his attorney to write the letter
objecting to that future access. Well, the county loves the
interconnection, the petitioner has no objection to it, should there
be an agreement to it, but if the adjacent property owner doesn't want
it, we'll take it off. But the county encourages the interconnection
of two commercial projects, whether they be frontage roads or not.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Yes, we do.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Yes, we strongly, strongly do.
MR. NADEAU: So that was what the letter of objection was, which
really didn't make any sense to the petitioner or I, because it would
affec~ -- the interconnect carne as a result of discussions with that
property owner.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Maybe we just want to hear --
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Commissioner Hancock?
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Dwight, dd,you anticipate the construction
of an eastbound right-hand turn lane, a deceleration lane, coming into
the shared access?
MR. NADEAU: Unfortunately the bridge across ~he Corkscrew Canal,
it would be an eastbound turn lane, would be precluded based on the
width of the bridge, or the distance from the bridge to the existing
access to the fire station.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: That bridge is not going to be widened
until Immokalee Road is four-laned out through tha~ area, and at such
time I'm sure provisions will be made. And we really don't know how
far off that is. What turn radius have you agreed to construct there?
MR. NADEAU: We really haven't agreed to any type of a turn
radius at that primary access. I would -- presently the radius would
be at least 50 feet. I would imagine you'~e going to have a widening
of the existing access with an additional 50-foot radius to the east.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: While whoever is next to speak is doing
so, if we could get something on the record about that, because I'd
like that turn area to start as close to the existing bridge as
possible so that people can get off Imrnokalee Road as safely as
possible turning into this. Whether -- I don't see Mr. Kant, but I
just want to know that's been addressed to the fullest extent that we
can. That's my only concern there.
MR. NADEAU: Sure.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Commissioner, there's another question that I
have, too. It's not only the eastbound, it also is the westbound on
Immokalee Road, and having some kind of a lane to turn in. That whole
area out in there, I'm -- thank God you carne before us today, because
this gives me another opportunity to speak about this whole area.
Randall Boulevard itself accessing Immokalee Road. And whether you're
east or westbound, with the amount of traffic that's out on this road
right now, we've got some serious problems. As far as I'm concerned,
there needs to be -- there needs to be an eastbound decel. lane where
-- a turning lane to be able to access this property.
MR. NADEAU: Okay, and I --
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Has there been any discussion about this?
(Commissioner Constantine returns to boardroom.)
MR. NADEAU: Yes, I can respond to that, Madam Chairman. The
Orangetree DRI PUD has specific language in it requiring them to do
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April 14, 2009
Page 111 of 120
intersection improvements, where Randall -- or possibly after you
approve the street name today, Valencia Drive or something --
intersects with Immokalee Road. So there are conditions within that
DRI settlement agreement, and PUD, as well as conditions in the
Randall Boulevard PUD requiring a westbound turn lane, as well as an
eastbound left turn into Randall, or whatever the street may be named
at a future date.
The subject property does not have access off of Randall, it only
has access off Immokalee Road. So if we had an aerial photo, which I
do, you can see tha~ itls a very constricted area fer turning
movements.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Oh, I know.
COMMISSIONER MAC1KIE: Personal experience.
MR. NADEAU: So to impose conditions on the fire station at this
time mayor may not be appropriate. I certainly would have to defer
to the county attorney whether or no~ we can require expanding or
making the right turn in a little bit longer towards the east -- to
the west, s~ch that it would be cleser to the bridge.
NmrJ, as :ar as coming in from the ~- going west for a left turn
in, it doesn't appear as though there's enough spacing distance
between the Randall Boulevard ir.tersection, which is going to be
improved, and ImmckaJ.ee Road. So this distance in here is what is
problematic. And I can show you here.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: I think we're starting to see why the
adjacent property owner ~- I'm sure they have someone here to speak
may be against this future joint access, because there may corne a
point that the Randall Boulevard intersection is the way you access
all of these parcels, and it may be in the best interest of the public
safety~wise to have internal connections ~nstead of an unsafe, you
know, secondary drive.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: And nobody likes to grant access through
their project for liability reasons and whatnot, but therets a larger
public safety issue he=e.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: There's a huge p~blic safety problem.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: :ould we put t~at maybe on the visualizer,
or whatever it's called?
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: We have this modern
COMlvlISSIONER MAC' KIE: High tech.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: technology here, so ~-
COMMISSIONER MACTKIE: Well, is this something that staff has
considered in their review? I mean, I would imagine that these aren't
-- I would suggest that t~ese aren't things that should come up at the
board meeting. They are things that staff should -~
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: I would assume --
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: -~ consider.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: -- ttis is also going to involve South
Florida Water Management Dis~rict. Am I correct, Mr. Ilschner?
MR. ILSCHNER: That's correc~.
CP~IRPERSON BERRY: Thatts the canal and this bridge. So it's
not just Collier -- it's just not us. I mean, it's something that
we're going to have to work with the water management district as well
MR. NADEAU:
CHAIRPERSON
MR. NADEAU:
CHAIRPERSON
When
BERRY: to do --
-- Irnmokalee is four-laned
BERRY: That's right.
Agenda Item No. 7A
April 14. 2009
Page 112 of 120
MR. NADEAU:
CHAIRPERSON
MR. NADEAU:
-- yes. But as far as the petitioners --
BERRY: Yes.
-- they would not be subject to south Florida
permitting.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: No, I understand that. I'm basically just
talking about the traffic issue in this area.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Is the possibility
that are in the Orangetree PUD and the Randall
roadway improvements, maybe those triggers are
future, if the problem is currently existing.
blown it?
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: In my opinion? Yeah. You didn't ask, but
yeah.
Commissioner Constantine?
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: Madam Chairman, first, I have to
disclose, I have had conversations in the past three years with George
Canaan on this property.
Can I just ask, is there general consensus that it makes perfect
sense to develop -- to redo this as commercial --
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Oh, yeah.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: -- the question is the access
question.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Absolutely.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: The question -- that's -- in my opinlon,
that's correct.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Mine, too.
MS. MURRAY: Madam Chairman, if you will, we do have language
under the transportation section of the PUD document. We could, if
the petitioner agrees, maybe tighten that language up a little bit
just to say that prior to development of the site that they would
confer (sic.) work with the transportation department to ensure that
the -- a turn lane or access is adequate enough to minimize to the
greatest extent possible the impacts on Imrookalee Road, if we could
tighten that up a little bit.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: I think that's really all we can do today.
Because, you know, there's already a turning area there. So that's
really where I was heading.
The other question I had was -- wonderfully detailed site plan,
D'Vlight.
MR. NADEAU: Well, actually --
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Thanks for the sarcasm.
MR. NADEAU: -- Commissioner Hancock, I had a very detailed site
plan, but it was requested to --
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Take it out?
MR. NADEAU: -- minimize it.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Yeah. That's a --
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Why?
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: It has been effectively minimized.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Why was -- do you mind? Why was there a
request to minimize it?
MS. MURRAY: Most of your PUD master plans are pretty general.
This is only a two -- less than two and a half acre site. The
applicants indicated they weren't sure if they were going to do out
parcels or subdivide. The first indication it was going to be a
shopping center, the next indication it might be -- so rather than
we just -- actually, what we did was verbalize that in the PUD
document and show this master plan as just a general plan.
that these triggers
something PUD for those
too far out into the
Is that where we've
Agenda Item No.7 A
April 14. 2009
Page 113 of 120
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: You might want to recommend in the past
that -- you did what our staff requested, so I don't -- yeah. But
maybe bring as an exhibit for the board to see, because it does help
us visualize the site. But I -- because of location, I'm sure this
complies -- has to comply with the commercial architectural standards;
is that correct?
MS. MURRAY: Correct.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK:
Hancock's Law from now on.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE:
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK:
MR. FERNANDEZ: Madam
next speaker --
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Yes.
MR. FERNANDEZ: at this time?
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Uh-huh.
MR. FERNN~DEZ: Next speaker
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: I had
lister:, Jim.
MR. SIESKY: Yes, Commissioner.
Good morning, commissioners, Jim Siesky, representing Orangetree
and Associates, the developer of Orangetree, the Orangetree area,
along with Waterways. I don't represent Waterways. And also
Francisco Colasso, the developer in ~he Randall Center PUD.
We basically have two concerns. First let's say that we're not
unhappy with the fact that there's development next to us. That's
good. We're happy with that. It brings se=vices that are need --
will be needed for the people in the area.
What we're concer~ed about is first the -- the turn lane. Let's
talk about that. Orangetree, in the past year, was in negotiations
with the school beard to sell the corner area to the school board for
a new school. Those develop:nents failed, or those negotiations fail.
But while we were negotiating that, issues about the turn ~ane came up
and how much had ~o be expended to put the turn lanes in. It was
really quite a big number. It seemed like 300,000 cr more. I don't
recall exactly right now.
But there was some complex negotiatio~s on how much the school
board would spend, how mu::::h Orangetree would spend, how much Randall
Center PUD would spend. Now our neighbor's askirlg for access, but
there's nothing in ~he PUD as there is in the Randall Center PUD and
the Orangetree PUD that would require them to pay any portion of the
turn lane cost. That's the first objection.
With regard to the timing of those turn lanes, they are to be
installed -- at least the responsibilities respectively are for
Orangetree, when the residential developme~t of Valencia occurs, and
for the Randall Center PUD, when it further expands its development.
COMMISSIONER ~~C'KIE: =ould I ask you a question about that?
MR. SIESKY: Certainly.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: When -- because apparently that's like the
key here is how soon can we get those done. When Orangetree starts
Valencia? Which it's already got the golf course.
MR. SIESKY: The residential development. When it starts the
residential development.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: _~d you represent them.
idea when that is anticipated to occur?
MR. SIESKY: No. ~he developer's here.
COI~ISSIONER HANCOCK: They're still doing -- they're still doing
Okay.
Which will forever be known as
Yeah, the Hancock standard.
Thank you.
Chairman, wo~ld you like to hear from the
is Jim Siesky.
a feeling you weren't
here just to
Do you have any
Agenda Item No. 7 A
April 14, 2009
Page 1140f120
Waterways, which --
MR. SIESKY: He says three or four years.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: And what about the Randall Center, when
they expand, when do we think that might happen?
MR. SIESKY: Probably when it's not cost prohibitive as it is
right now.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Because of the turn lane?
MR. S:ESKY: Because of the turn lane, yes.
The other and more direct impact to the Randall Center PUD is the
proposed connection where it's located, and that is directly behind -~
or in front of, as you look at it -- the gasoline pumps, where all the
traffic is coming into the Randall Center PUD. And this would propose
to add further traffic right there as you turn into the gasoline
pumps. We think thatts just a traffic hazard and a problem.
The document, as it's drafted, we don't have a problem with
section 1.5 which says should an agreement be reached between the
owners of Mir-Mar PUD and the owners of the lands ~o the east, there
would be a vehicular interconnection. Because tha~ puts it in our
control as to whether there will be an agreement. And we can maybe
take care of a lot of these issues by sayi~g okay, we'll give you a
vehicular access, but not right there at our gasoline pumps and yes,
if you'll pay for a portion of the turn lanes.
The problem comes, in my mind, with section 4.5(c) that says
notwithstanding the provisions of the Randall Center PUD, for which
this developer has no responsibility, such interconnection shall be
provided at the earlier of either the developer's option, which
meaning this developer, the developer of Mir-Mar, or at the request of
Collier County transportation services to facilitate traffic flow.
So that almost says that, at least the way I read it, that
Randall Center PUD is at the whim of this developer and at the whim of
Collier County transportation services. Both of these are unsettling
and not satisfactory for my client.
The other thing I wanted to mention, when we were talking about
the turn lane with the school board, the transportation department was
requiring those three parties to put in a box culvert at the canal
there, an $80,000 expense that this developer is not being required to
expend. And we think that's also unfair.
I'd be happy to try and answer any questions for the board.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Commissioner Hancock?
That's right, stay there.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Mr. Siesky, if this parcel were not a part
were not corning in today for any kind of development, that
obviously doesn't change any of the commitments that Randall Center
PUD made in obtaining its zoning.
I guess my question comes in that I'm not sure that we can
legally require this property owner to be lumped in with the Randall
Center PUD and the commitments made by that zoning if it can be
demonstrated that a safe vehicular access can be provided to the
parcel. Absent something from our transportation staff that says what
is being proposed based on traffic volumes or warrants is unsafe, I
donlt know that we have the legal ability to make them share in the
cost of the turn lane for Randall Boulevard.
And that's not so much a question as it is -- I'm just trying to
walk through the process. Because obviously what I'd love to see is
one single improvement at Randall Boulevard and shared access for all
sites, because it just makes the best sense transportation-wise. I'm
not sure that we have the legal authority, if it can be demonstrated
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April 14, 2009
Page 115 of 120
that safe access can be provided. And it
safe, that we can force them to be a part
commitments made in the Randall PUD.
MR. SIESKY: I don't necessarily disagree with you there, but if
you leave it within the owner's control of Randall Center PUD to
negotiate an agreement, he can take care of that. If it's within the
whim of this developer or the Collier County transportation department
as to whether that interconnection is made, then he has no bargaining
may not be optimum,
financially of the
but
power.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK:
think corrects that?
MR. SIESKY: I think if you just eliminate the language in
sec~ion 4.5(c). As lo~g as you have the :anguage at the beginning
that says where there's a negotiated agreement.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Have you discussed this with Mr. Weigel or
staff prior to the meeting?
MR. SIESKY: No, I've submitted a letter of objection but had no
correspondence in returr..
MS. MURRAY: Madam Chairman?
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Yes.
MS. MURRAY: First of all, Ed Kant's on vacation.
no excuse, but he's in Europe, so my apologies for him
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Get him on the phone.
MS. MURRAY: 1 contacted him about a month ago to be sure he was
going to be here. Regardless, this -- this whole transportation
section was reviewed by him. In fact, you know, if you look at 4.5(d)
-- and I believe Commissioner Hancock, that's exactly what was
probably going through h~s mind at the time was -- and one of the
stipulations in there that he wanted to see was that there should be
no direct access to Randall Boulevard permitted for this site. And he
didn't feel the need to assess this property owner for intersection
improvements or turn lane improvements. If you all want to do that,
you certainly have that right, but he did not at the time of his
review.
COMMISSIONER HAN"COCY.:: Mr. Siesky has a point, as I read 4.5(c)
It is a little -- I think it goes outside the bounds a little bit of
what we normally do. Page 38, where it says shall be provided at the
earlier of either the developer's option or a request by the county
transportation services department to facilitate traffic flow and safe
operations.
You know, what does that mean for tte Randall Boulevard center
when our transportation director says no, I think it's ~mportant for
us to facilitate traffic flow that there be an interconnect at this
location? That in essence is taking the development of one parcel and
imposing a restriction on an existing zone parcel. So I think I
understand that point.
We want to leave it available. And ~'d like to find a way to
to be honest, I'd like to require an interconnect, as long as it's
mutually agreeable in a mutually agreeable location, because that
takes the rest of the iss~e away, in my opinion. That way
transportation's no~ getting involved down the road saying you have to
interconnect, you know, if -- we can't do that, because we're only
looking at one piece of the puzzle today.
But that wording -~- that wording does seem to open up doors down
the road that are rather nebulous, I guess.
MS. MURRAY: I think the --
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: At the same time, that sounds like -- we
Do you have proposed wording that you
I know that's
not being here.
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April 14, 2009
Page 116 of 120
don't want to repeat the mistake of the past ~-
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Right.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: ~- where we haven't been able to get this
roadway improvement that's already desperately needed.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Right.
MS. MURRAY: I think the intent of that language was basically to
establish a time frame. And perhaps that could be clarified a little
bit just to take into account what's described earlier in the earlier
portion of the document that -- with consent of the adjoining property
owner.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Ms. Murray, what does -- the
it, item (b), 4.5(b), talking about the adequate turn
MS. MURRAY: 11m sorry, what are you asking me?
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Are they going to be -- is
the Randall Boulevard --
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: No, that's exactly what I was talking
about earlier when I was trying to kind of nail it down today what the
turn radius --
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Right.
COMMISSIONER HAl'iICOCK: -- is and whatnot. That, r s typically done
as a site development plan stage where they bring in a detailed plan
and transportation looks at it and determines if the volume of traffic
is commensurate --
item right above
lanes?
Are they --
this related to
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Is gOlng to --
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: with the turn radius --
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: and so forth and so on. I was trying
to kind of nail that down on the front end to get a picture. I know
our staff is going to address it, I just was trying to see if we could
get more information early. That's as I understand it, Ms. Murray; is
that correct?
MS. MURRAY: That's correct, yes.
MR. MULHERE: For the record, Bob Mulhere, planning director.
I just wanted to add one comment on item (c) on page 38 under 4.5
that we've been discussing. One of the -- I think that it's important
that the county have some authority for requiring that interconnect in
a timely manner, and if left solely -- and in the past I think there
have been some PUD's that have been approved which provided for
interconnect, but left it up to the discretion of the property owners.
And we have situations where one property owner attempts to hold the
other property owner hostage in order to obtain that access.
And since the genesis of such a stipulation is to benefit the
community, Collier County traveling public, so that we, you know,
minimize the impacts on the roadway, the external roadway system, I
think it really is important that we maintain that authority at the
county level for when that access at a minimum -- you know, if the
developer wishes to do it prior to that point in time, so be it. But
that if the county goes in and says we need this interconnection at
this point in time, it gives us the teeth to be able to make that
happen.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: I agree with that. I just think the
wording in 4.5(c) just leaves it a little open. That needs to be
altered a little bit. I don't think that the property owner here
should be able -- should have the authority or even the perception of
the authority to require an interconnect for the adjacent property.
However, our transportation staff, which in their foresight has
said an interconnect at some point is going to be a good idea here,
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April 14, 2009
Page 117 of 120
that right should be reserved to them. But it needs to be done at the
expense of -- you know, I see we have like a drainage swale in here.
Well, we're not going to pay to put culverts in and to create the
interconnect. That's a design issue for the property owner to deal
with. But if we could leave in the county transportation services
department but take out the developer's option part of that, I think
that gets us part of the way there anyway.
MR. SIESKY: Corrmissioners -- excuse me, Corrmissioner.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Let me just suggest a change that might
help you a little bit, Mr. Siesky, is instead of having it at the
earlier of either the developer's option, have it at the earlier of an
agreement between the adjoining property owners, or a~ the request of
the county transportation services.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Mr. Siesky?
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: I like that.
MR. SIESKY: I like tha~. But I wanted to also go further with
what Commissioner Hancock said, a mutually acceptable location, which
currently drawn with t~e arrows right at the front of the property --
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: The gas pump thing.
MR. SIESKY: -- that's a real proplem.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Well, yeah, but see, what I
would be an agreement between the two property owners.
agree, then our transporta~ion staff steps in and says
here1s where you put it in.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: In a way it says --
MR. SIESKY: I agree with you. All I was
arrows off the drawing. So we're not --
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: I don't having objections taking the arrows
off of that piece of paper.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: No, me neither.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: Maybe we shou~d have
at -- it says potential future access, you know,
eastern property line, I mean, if that makes you
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Right.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: -- to make it to say that it can move one
way or the other.
They're going to have to fac~o~ it
they bu~ld first, it's somehow probably
point.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: They're built.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: They're built?
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Siesky's--
COMMISSIONER HANCOC:K: No, no, I meant Mir-Mar.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Well, but yeah, they1re built.
COMMISSIONER WU,COCK: Okay.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: So is that clear enough
CFAIRPERSON BERRY: Mr. Sies --
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: -- direction to staff?
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Let me just ask one question. How far back
does that property go, the Randall Boulevard center? How -- if
look at this drawing that we have and where they currently have
arrow, the east-west arrow, how far back does the property go?
you were to interconnect, where else could you connect?
MR. SIESKY: Commissioner, I wish I could answer that
I can't. But I think Mr. Nadeau says that it goes all the
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Okay.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: As deep as the --
said was it
If you don't
you put it in,
asking was take the
taken the ar~ow off
at some point on the
feel better
into their design.
going to get locked
And if
in at some
you
the
So if
question.
way back.
Agenda Item No. 7A
April 14. 2009
Page 118 of 120
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: So in other words, the fact that the arrow is
located where it is, that could just as well be moved working -- in
other words, if people could agree and work on the site itself, they
could agree that it could be moved elsewhere?
MR. NADEAU: Yes, Madam Chairman. For the record again, Dwight
Nadeau, representing the petitioner.
I obtained a copy of the site development plan for the Randall
Boulevard PUD. And the only logical place for that arrow was on the
frontage on Randall Boulevard. There would be -- there's some
drainage swales and there's some water retention requirements --
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: At the back of the property.
MR. NADEAU: -- that are required by the Randall Boulevard Center
PUD that mayor may not preclude the interconnect
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Well, let me --
MR. NADEAU: -- to slide back and forth.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: ~~ just ask a question.
at all? Does that depiction or the arrow on the
MR. NADEAU: Keeps me out of a PDI.
MS. MURRAY: Susan MurraYr for the record.
I think we could accomplish the same thing by removing the arrow
and putting language in --
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Okay, fine.
MS. MURRAY: -- the document that says along the eastern property
boundary. I don't think we need to design the site.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: But I like Corrunissioner Norris! verbiage
change, because it says either you kids go figure out a way to do it,
or we're going to figure out a way to do it for you.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Worse than Dad.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: I like that. That says either work
together or we're going to make a decisionr and you don!t want us
making a decisionr if you can come to it yourselves.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: I like that change. And both parties have
agreed to that change? Because I know Mr. Siesky said it was okay.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: One's more begrudging than the other, but
I think we're as close as we're going to get. It makes sense, anyway.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Do we need both parties' acquiescencer Mr.
Weigel, or are we still waiting for Mr. Nadeau's?
MR. WEIGEL: Wellr if Mr. Nadeau can speak on behalf of his
party, then you've got the record you'd like to seer I think.
MR. NADEAU: I can represent for my petitioners that we will
are agreeable to the new language such that would if I can have it
restated for mer Susan?
MS. MURRAY: It!s my understanding that --
MR. NADEAU: Notwithstanding the provisions of the Randall Center
PUD for which the developer has no responsibility, such
interconnection shall be provided --
MS. MURRAY: Either at the earlier -~
MR. NADEAU: Of?
MS. MURRAY: of u
MR. NADEAU: -- either an agreement between the two property
Is this pertinent
have any weight?
owners.
MS. MURRAY: Between adjoining property owners or the
transportation services department's request.
MR. NADEAU: Or the request of the county transportation.
MS. MURRAY: That's correct.
MR. NADEAU: Okay, so we're only inserting agreement between the
two property owners.
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MS. MURRAY: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: And removing either the developer's
option.
MS. MURRAY: Correct.
MR. NADEAU: And removing a~ the developer's option.
MS. MURRAY: That's correct.
MR. NADEAU: Yes, we have no problem with that. And we'll remove
the arrow from the plan.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: And insert language into the document
indicating a future interconnect along that property line.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Well, ~hat's the only place that it could
have done --
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Yeah, right.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: -- the only place they had joined --
COMMISSIONER HN~COCK: I'm just saying that the=e has to be a
reference --
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Something in the document.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: -- to an interconnect, either in the
document or on the master plan.
MR. S:ESKY: He's talking about the eastern property.
MR. NADEAU: Okay. So we just insert in eastern property line.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: There you go. Right there in that
MR. NADEAU: In that same --
COMMISSIONER ~AC'KIE: -- second paragraph.
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK: .~d what will happen eventually, I'm sure,
is the Randall Center PUD comes forward, our transportation staff is
going to either dictate where that interconnect occurs on good
transportation planning, or you guys wil~ work it out ahead of time.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Okay. Do we have any other public speakers?
MR. FERNN~DEZ: No others.
CF~IRPERSON BERRY: Okay. Well, this ~- I have no problem with
the rezoning, but I sure do have a problem with the traffic situation.
But I'll support -- as I said, I don't have it with the -- going from
the Estates to the PUD because thatls consistent with the master plan.
So that's -- I'm looking strictly at that. But I'd like to add a
footnote that this traffic situation out in that area has got to be
addressed quickly.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Close ~he public hea~ing?
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Okay, 1111 close the public hearing.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Then Itll make a motion that we approve ~he
PUD-98-4, changing the language in section 4.5(c) to reflect the
discussion that we had earlier that Ms. Murray has reiterated for us.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Second.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Okay, we have a motion and a second.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Oh, and removing the arrow from the map as
well.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: And i~serting in that same language,
because I don't think Ms. Murray actually said it, come to think of
it, that this would be pertaining -~ in 4.5(c) would be pertaining to
the eastern property li~e.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Yes.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Second?
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Yes, sir.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Okay, we have a motion and a second. If
there's no further disc~ssion, all in favor?
Opposed?
Agenda Item No. 7 A
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Page 120 of 120
(No response.)
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Motion carries five-zero. Thank you very
much.
MR. SIESKY: Thank you, commissioners.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Maybe that could be sort of a prototype,
you know, for this kind of language in the future? Yeah.
Item #12B3
ORDINANCE 98-73 RE PETITION PUD-87-33(21, MR, BRUCE J. SICILIANO, OF
AGNOLI, BARBER & BRUNDAGE, INC., REPRESENTING MR. URI ELI-AV, ELIAS
BROTHERS, INC. REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE "WINDSONG" PLANNED UNIT
DEVELOPMENT (PUDI, ORDINANCE NUMBER 93-74 FOR THE PURPOSES OF
ELIMINATING THE MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING TYPES AND THE ADULT CONGREGATE
LIVING FACILITY (ACLFI UNITS AND IN ITS PLACE PERMIT SINGLE-FAMILY
DWELING UNITS UTILIZING THE ZERO LOT LINE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THEREBY
INCREASING THE NUMBER OF DWELING UNITS FROM 134 TO 145 UNITS FOR
PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF R~TTLESNAKE-HAMMOCK ROAD
AND COUNTY BARN ROAD - ADOPTED WITH CHANGES
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Okay, the next item is PUD~87-33(2). This
is an amendment to the Windsong PUD. This is not the Windsong on
Irnmokalee Road, this is the Windsong down at the northwest corner of
Rattlesnake-Hammock Road -~
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINE: It's not the same old song.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: It's not the same old song.
-- and County Barn Road.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE: Somebody had to say it.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: Same '01 same. lIve--
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: This is actually the eliminating and
increasing and so forth.
COMMISSIONER NORRIS: I have had conversation with the
property owner.
COMMISSIONER MAC'KIE:
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: As
COMMISSIONER NORRIS:
COMMISSIONER HANCOCK:
As have I.
have T.
Representative
I have spoken
of the property owner.
with the petitioner myself,
yes.
CHAIRPERSON BERRY: Okay, all persons wishing to speak to this
item, would you please rise and be sworn in by our court reporter.
(All speakers were duly sW8rn.)
MR. BELLOWS: For the record, Ray Bellows of planning services
staff.
The petitioner is requesting to amend the Windsong PUD to dele~e
the multi-family tract and delete the ACLF tract and to convert that
ACLF tract, which is four acres, into residential, which would allow
for three additional units per acre on that four-acre tract, or 12
additional units. This would in fact increase the density from 134
units to 145 units.
As you can see on the original approved plan, the master plan
showed an access point off of County Barn Road. This has been
deleted. The conservation area here has been moved around this side.
The currently approved master plan shows a centralized lake
system. In addition, the retained native vegetation has been
increased from six percent to 16 -- not to be less than 16 percent.
The Collier County Planning Commission reviewed this and approved
it by a seven-zero vote. No letters against have been received.