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Naples, Florida, November 11, 1980
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Board of County Commissioners in
and for the County of Collier, and als.) acting as the Governing Board(s)
of such special districts as have been created according to law and
having conducted business herein, met on this date at 9:00 A.M. in
Regular Session in Building "F" of the Courthouse Complex with the
following members present:
CHAIRMAN:
V ICE-CHM RMAN:
C1 ifford Wen;-!! 1
Thomas P. Archer
John A. Pistor
C.R. "Russ" Wimer
David C. Brown
ALSO PRESENT: William J. Reagan, Clp.rk; Harold L. Hall, Chief
Deputy Clerk/Fiscal Officer; Edna Brenneman and Darlene Davidson
(10:45 A.M.), Deputy Clerks; C. William Norman, County Manager;
Donald A. Pickworth, County Attorney; Irving Berzon, Utilities Division
Director; Clifford Barksdale, Public Works Administrator/Engineer;
Terry Virta, Community Developn~nt Administrator; Thomas Hafner,
Public Safety Administrator; Jeffory Perry, Zoning Director; Danny Crew,
Planning Director; Tom McDaniel, Planner; Lee Layne, Planner; Mary
Morgan, Administrative Aide to the Boare'; and, Deputy Chief Raymond
Barnett, Sheri ff' s Department.
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AGENDA - APPROVED WITH ADOITIONS/DELETlDNS
Commissioner Pi:;toi' moved, seconded by Commissio~er Archer and
unanimously carried, th3t the agenda be approved as amended with the
following additions and deletions:
1. Recommendation by County Manager on proposed program
reduction r~garding the FY 80-81 Budget - Added.
2. Request by G.E. Carroll, representing Statewide Environ-
mental Contractor's Inc. for ruling on proposed franchise
provision re exclusive right to collect construction
debris as a condition of purchase of Marco Solid Waste
Collection Franchise - Continued until November 18, 1980.
3. Recommendation from staff that the Board aut.horize the
publication of advertisement to help taxpayers understand
1980 taxes - Added.
4. Selection of Chairman and Vice-Chairman of the Board for
next year - Added.
5. Acquisition of treatment site re County Water-Sewer Dis-
trict - Added.
6. Minutes of October 21, 1980 - Deleted.
BOARD ELECTS COMMISSIONER PISTOR AS CHAIRMAN AND COMIIISSIONER WENZEL
AS VICE-CHAJR.....A~: FOR O~~E-YEAR TER~.:S EFFECTIVE NOVEHoER. 12, 1980
Clerk William J. Reagan conducted the election for Chairman and
Vice-Chairman of the Board of County Commissioners and called for
nominations from the floor for the Chairmanship. Commissioner Archer
placed the name of Commissioner Pistor in nomination. Upon call for
further nominations by Clerk Reagan, there were none forthcoming with
Commissioner Wenzel seconding the nomination.
Responding to Commissioner Brown's query, Clerk Reagan explained
th~t, according to last year's minutes pertaining to the election for
the current year, the elected officers were to remain in office one
year from the date of that election and, evidently, the terms expire
this date.
The nominations were closed and, upon call for the question, the
motion to elect Commissioner Pistor as Chainman was carried 4/0, Com-
missioner Wimer did not vote.
It ~as pointed out by Clerk Reagan that the current terms expire
at 12:01 A.M. on November 12, 1980.
Clerk Reagan opened the nominations for the position of Vice-
Chainnan. Connlissioner Pistor placed C0J1ll1iss10ner Wenze1'~ name in
nomination and COllmissioncr Archer seconded the motion.
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Commissioner Brown nominatcd Commissioner Wimer and when asked by Clerk
Reagan if he would accept the nomination, Commissioner Wimer responded
in the ncgative. There were no further nominations made whereupon the
nominations were closed by Clp.rk Reagan. The vote on the election of
Commissioner Wenz.el as Vice-ChairmJn carried 3/1 with Commissioner Brown
voting in opposition, stating that he would like the minutes to refle~t
his strong opposition to "this kind of a deal", and Commissioner Wimer
did not vote.
PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING THE THIRD WEEK OF NOVEMBER AS "YOUTH APPRECI-
ATION WEEK" - '\DOPTED
Commissioner Archer read in its entirety the proposed proclamation
establishing the third week of November, 1980 as "Youth Appreciation
Week" and moved its adoption. The motion was seconded b.y Commissioner
Pistor and unilnimollsly carried. The Proclamation, following its execu-
tion, was presented to County Manager Norman for submittal to "he sponsors.
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PROCLAMI\TlON DESIGNATING TilE ~IEEK OF NOVEMBER 10 AS "TENNIS WEEK" -
ADOPTED
Chairman Wenzel read in its entirety the proclamation designating
the week of November 10. 1900 as "Tennis Week" in Collier County, fol-
lowing which he presented the following proclamation to the County
Manager for transmittal to its sponsoring organization.
PRO C LAM A T ION
. WHEREAS, the beDuty of Collier County is made up of its
geographical locn~ion, the nature of its people,
and the fine athletic facilities; an~
'~IEREAS, among the activities most avidly pursued is tennis
at the public and private levels; .and
WHEREAS,
the beautiful tennis facilities that Collier County
has to of~er compels excellence, perforrr.ance, and
exhibition by. amateurs and professionals alike in
Naples; and .
"r.:EREAS,
Collier Cour:ty is blessed by having the greatest
of the former professional champions in the 4th
Annual Almaden Grand Masters Tour vintage '80 for
the benefit of the Collier County Y. M. C.A. at
the Naples Bath and Tennis Club on November 13 thru
November 16; and
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MIEREAS, this tournament is working to bring to Collier
County the finest tennis to be seen.
NO\'1, THEREFORE, BE IT PROCLAIMED by the Board of County Com-
missioners, Collier County, Florida, that the week
of November 10, 1980 is hereby designated ~s
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in Collier County.
Done and ordered this 11th
convened in regular session.
day of November, 1980 while
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PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING NOVEMBER 11 AS "VETERANS DAY" - ADOPTED
Chairman Wcnzel rcad the proclamation de~ignating November 11,
1980 as "Vcterans Day" following which is was presented to a member of
the local veterans organization.
PROCLAMAT ON
VETERANS DAY
1980
WHEREAS, the citizens of this niltion and Collier County live In Freedom
because of the sacrifices and contributions made by those who served In the
Armed Forces of the United States of America in time of national dangerj and
WHEREAS, there. are over one-million Veterans In the State of Florida
who continue their devotion to the highest ideals of Citizenship, and consti-
tute a foundation of both the strength and progress of this State and, County;
and
WHEREAS, to those who died we offer our respect and gratitute. To the
'loved ones they left behind, we offer our concern and understanding; and
WHEREAS, to those who still bear the wounds both physical and psychic,
from all wars, we acknowledge our continuing responsibility; now
THEREFORE, we the members of the B011rd of County Commissioners do
hereby procl11im November 11, 1980, as Veterans Day in Collier County, and
urge all citizens of our County to remer~ber the silcr-:fic~s and contributions
of 1111 those who served this Nation in time of war to preserve our cherished
Herit11ge of Freedom, and further, thilt we dedic11te ourselves to the,. t<1sl< of
promoting world pCilce as the, greiltest rewilrd which might be bestowed upon
these veterilns of liberty.
DONE AND URDERED this 11th dilY of November, l!lOO while convened
In regulilr session.
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PETITIOH R-80-27C, DELTONA CORPORATION, REQUESTING REZONING FROM "An
TO "PUD" FOR PROPERTY KNOWN AS MARCO SHORES (CONTINUED FROM 11/4/30) -
DENIED
Legal notice having been published in the Naples Daily News on
October 3, 1980 and in the Marco Island Eagle on October 9, 1980 as
evidenced by I\ffidavits of Puhlication filed with the Clerk, public
hearing was continued from November 4, 1980 with regard to Petition
R-80-27C, filed by The Deltona Corporation, requesting rezoning from
"A" to "PUD" for property known as Marco Shores.
Planner Lee Layne located the property on the map provided as
being 321: acres located east of SR 951 and west of the Marco Shores
Airport. Reading from the Executive Summary prepared on the subject,
Ms. Layne said that the petitioner proposes to develop 1980 multi-
family units, a commercial area, and a golf course on the parcel.
Various concerns were expressed by the Coastal Area Planning Commission
when their public hearing v:as held on October 2, 1980, said Ms. Layne;
among t.hem - the stJff recommendation concerning the building of the
fire station; the installation of a traffic signal at SR 951 at the
entrance to the project; the ability of SR 951 to absorb the additional
traffic; and the fact that the project is being developed in a piece-
meal manner rather than looking at the overall plan for all of the
lands held by the petitioner, as well as its effect on the entire area.
It was the unanimous CAPe recommendation that the petition be forwarded
to the 8CC with a recommendation of denial for the following reasons:
1. It would worsen an a.ready poor traffic situation.
2. This was an unclear picture of the environmental impact
this project would hav~.
3. The DER's intent to deny the project.
Concerning Dr. Jay Hannic's recommendation, Ms. I.avne said that
Dr. Harmic did not have to review the Environmental Impact Statement
because the pertinent ordinance states that a waiver of the EIS has
to be granted if the area in question has been deneutered or altered
recently. She further pointed out that the Environmental Advisory
Council recommended approval of the petition.
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County Mana~er Norman advised the petitioner's representatives
that any exhibits presented during the hearing and which become part
of the basis for the Board's decision will need to become the property
of the County.
Mr. James Apthorp, Vice-President of Corporate Affairs for The
Deltona Corporation, introduced Mr. Howard Ostrout, who designed the
project for the developer, for the purpose of describing the plan and
project to the &oard.
Mr. Os trout began his presentation by explainin~ that at the time
the airpor, and golf course were constructed there were plans for the
development of the out-parcels which are now being proposed for condo-
minium development. At that time, said Mr. Ostrout, the Corps of
Engineers did not feel that the work required a permit and there was
no permit required by the DER; however, there was a DER permit required
to operate the golf course and such permit was obtained.
The plan. continued Mr. Ostrout, is to develop 122 acres of the
property in 8 multi-family parcels, as shown on the blueprint displayed,
with a gross density in the overall project of 6.15 units per acre. He
pointed out the locations for other facilities planned, such as commer-
cial area, parksites, utility site and the like, also mentioning the
fact that he has met with the advisory boards and the Subdivision
Review Committee and received their approval. The concerns expressed
by the Water Management Advisory Board were resolved following which
the project received their approval, he added.
Mr. Apthorp explained in detail the signalization improvements
being proposed for the intersection of SR 951 and the entrance into the
project which it is felt will significantly improve ~he safety conditions
at the intersection, together with the widening of the shoulders of the
roadway to the extent possible, all of which have been agreed to fol-
lowing their meeting with the Florida Department of Transportation.
Other plans include adding to the storage lane for vehicles making left-
hand turns traveling toward the project from the north and a comnitment
to building a deceleration lane for travelers coming from the south
providing that permits can be obtained, continued Mr. Apthorp.
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Mr. Apthorp also said that thc developer has agreed to make an
additional left-turn lane coming out of the project onto SR 951 upon
obtaining necessary permits and that they are in agrecment with DOT
that, as soon as the traffic count warrants it, full traffic signal
would be installed at the subject intersection at the ~eve1oper's
expense. Mr. Apthorp pointed out the need for the four-laning of the
roadway and that it is agreed that the necessary right-of-way will be
donated to the State of Florida at such time as four-1aning is a reality.
The developer also agrees, said Mr. Apthorp, to bear the cost of four-
laning 1,000' of SR 951, 500' on either ~ide of the intersection, pro-
viding the alignment and necf!ssary permits can be obtained. In the
event the project is completed and the permits still had not been ob-
tained to make the improvements, Mr. Apthorp said that $275,000, the
estimated costs for the subject four-lane improvements, would be placed
in escrow to be used by the County for improveme.,ts in the vic:nity of
the project on SR 951 or for four-laning the road, whichever the Board
chooses to do. He said the stated improvements should overcome any
objection, to the traffic considerations on SR 951 that might have been
expressed to the CAPC or in rther places.
Mr. Apthorp addressed another argument that has been raised with
regard to the project and that is the fact that it is "piece-mealing".
He said this argument was considered by the Stat~ of Florida in desiding
whether or not it should be vested for DRI purposes. It is vested,
continued Mr. Apthorp, with 1980 units and it is not necessary to go
through the DRI process to corlstruct them, however, there will be a
review of the impact when approval is sought for additional projects in
the area, taking into account the 1980 units. Because the developer has
spent money to fill the site and to create the building sites prior to
1973, Mr. Apthorp said that the State felt the developer should be
properly vested with the number of units applied for.
Mr. Apthorp concluded his presentation by reiterating the fact
that three of the County's four advisory boards have recommended
approval, as has the County staff, and that, since, in his opinion,
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the traffic conditions have bccn addresscd to a greater extent than
any private developer has ever done, the project should be allowed
to go forward and urged the Board to grant full approval of the PUD
application.
There was additional discussion regarding traffic problcms on
SR 951 and whether or not additional building activity should be
pcrmitted in that area. County Attorney Pickworth commented on the
conversation about the traffic problem causing a cut-off of building
on Marco Island, suggesting that it is a misleading argument. He
said that Marco Island is an approved development with fairly high
intensive zoning in most areas and the right to continue to build
there exists. The issue under discussion is whether to rezone pro-
perty to a more intensive use than is already permitted, said Attorney
Pickworth, and the use permitted now is in conformance with the Compre-
hensive Plan which has been adopted. He further stated that there is
a big difference between cutting off future building on Marco, where
the higher intensive use has been permitted, and granting The Deltona
Corporation the right to use their property in a more intensive manner
than they are already permitted to do. Att0rney Pickworth said th~t
he does not agree with the suggestion made that the Board should use
their police power to cut off future construction on Marco Island which
he said is not the solution at all, adding that there has been nothing
shown to suggest that the existing zoning on the subject land is un-
reasonable.
Chairman Wenzel inquired if it would be feasible to develop the
project as all single-family units with Mr. Apthorp responding in the
negative explaining that there are a significant number of vacant
single-family lots on the market and it is the opinion cf the petitioners
that multi-family units arc necded and there are not enough locations
to build them.
Addressing the new information being presented, Mr. Apthorp said
that following the preparation of the "package" by management and traffic
consultants, the proposal being presented this date was also presented
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to the CAPC for purely informational purposes but for lcgal reasons
it could not be considered nor could thc CAPe change the position
already taken. Attorney Pickworth said that it was suggested to
Deltona that they rcquest reconsideration as an advertised matter but
that the time schedule was such that the suggestion was declined.
At Commissioner Brown's request, Dr. Jay Harmic, Environmental
Consultant for the County, was asked to comment on the project. Dr.
Harmic explained that under the provisions of the pertinent ordinance,
the submission of an EIS was exempted, the stipulation ~)eing that land
which has been clcarcd and filled and which will not revegetate to a
natural condition is exempt from the submission of the EIS. He said
that ordinance and that stipulation was reviewed when the ordinance was
adopted by all of the advisory boards of the County and that particular
portion was not changed. He said that a portion in the original draft
addressed sequential development; however, d~rirg the course of the
review process, that particular section was removed - not by him, con-
tinued Dr. Harmic, but by some other County official. Therefore, said
Dr. Harmic, he felt he had no choice but to waive the EIS, although, in
his opinion, a waiver was not needed nor was an EIS required. He co~-
tinued by stating his understanding that putting 1900+ units in an
area will create an impact; however, if the impact can be minimized to
a proper degree. the problem can be taken care of. If the water manage-
ment and the water quality problems can be resolved, said Dr. Harmic,
that will be fine. He said that he will not address the traffic issues
because he does not feel that he is qualified in this area. On the basis
of the fact that he was, essentially, required to waive the EIS and that
sequential development cannot be addressed by him, in the particular
location, he would recommend approval along with the Planning Department.
Attorney Pickworth questioned how the EAC can approve such projects
without an EIS, agreeing that the way the ordinance is written the waiver
was required. Dr. Hdrmic said that the EAC could only address the parti-
cular portion of the Marco ownership that had been dredged and filled,
golf course constructed, road and airport constructed, and, therefore,
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in his judgment, the EAC members felt the impact had been made and that
the deve10pmcnt of the subdivision would not substantially change the
particular impact which had already taken place - the impact having
taken place when the land was filled.
The following persons were present to address certain aspects of
the proposed development:
Franklin Adams, President Of the Izaak Walton League of
America - local chapter, who requested that there be no
rezoning or permitting in the subject area until the over-
all development is addressed because permitting it to be
developed piecemeal will ultimately lead to a loss of
development alternatives and prohibit future flexibil ity
and assurance that the best land-u:~ practices are met in
the entire Deltona project area.
Arndt Mueller - President of the Collier County Audubon
Society - concurred with the statements made by the pre-
vious speaker and said that, from a personal standpoint,
the constant development in an already-overcrowded area is
undesirable not only from a traffic point-of-view but also
due to the additional burden which will be placcd on the
school system.
George Keller - Chairman of the Collier County Civic Fed-
eration Zoning Committee - voiced concern over firefightin9
provisions, adding that a school impact study should be made.
He said that the area should be confined to residents and
not permitted to be built in up to 20-story highrises which
might seriously affect the entire area.
Leigh Plummer - President of the Marco Island Civic Associa-
tion - said that, in light of the fact that the development
results from the denial of permits by the Corps of Engineers
for the development of Barfield Say and Big Key, the Associa-
tion has no objection to the project going ahead as scheduled.
Also, they are not particularly concerned about the added
traffic on SR 951, the development only causing a small
portion of the total traffic on the road.
Bernie Yokel - Collier County Conservancy - suggested that
the issue of traffic is not the only concern regarding the
project. The developer, said Mr. Yokel, agreed to present a
total package of development for the approximately 17,OOO-acre
holdings of the firm but that now fragmentation of development
plans is being contemplated. Due to the environmental impacts
of the project, there is a flaw in the ordinance which negates
the necessity for an EIS. Such fragmentation will prevent
useful decisions on dealing with the larger problcms of the
area and good land management, said Mr. Yokel, and to take out
a piece of upland which may offer considerable relief to sensi-
tive wetland development will be a mistake.
Lengthy discussion concerning the comments made by Mr. Yokel
followed, during which the qucstion was asked by Chairman Wenzel if the
developer agreed not to develop Unit 30 and leave it in its natural
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state, if he would have the same concerns. Mr. Yokel said that if Mr.
Apthorp would state that they are giving up on Unit 30 he would say "Do
it. Bless it. We're done with that watershed. We have as much of a
problem as we're going to see".
Attornp.y Pickworth inquired if what Mr. Yokel is suggesting is that
perhaps greater density should be permitted on the parcels under discussion
in return for no density on areas considered to be more sensitive. Mr.
Yokel said that if higher density is required to save wetlands, that is
the "way you have to go" suggesting that that would be thp lesser of two
evils. Mr. Yokel agreed that such a solution is the same remedy that
justifies the designation of "ST" on lands, stating that he regards such
designation as a useful mechanism for the preservation of valuable land.
Mr. Mullis Thorntor., representing building trades employees, spoke
in favor of permitting the project to continue in order to safeguard the
employment of aproximately 500 workers on Marco Island projects over
the past several years. Not to approve the development would force the
persons working for a living to move somewhere else to secure jobs, said
Mr. Thornton. With regard to the safety of SR 951, he said that "Any
road is hazardous if you don't drive pro~erly".
Mr. Apthorp commented on some of the previous statements and con-
cluded his presentation by suggesting that it is highly desirable to
solve all of the problems at Marco Island but it does not necessarily
mean that nothing else should be done in the interim. He also pointed
out that the "piecemeal" argument will be considered again ~:en the
drainage plan is presented to DER for approval, as well as to the SFWMO.
Regarding whether or not a further appearance before the CAPe would
be desirable, Mr. Apthorp said that there would be nothing presented to
that Commission than what has been presented to the Board this date and
that they would prefer to have the application acted ~pon during the
BCC Session now convened.
Commenting for the CAPe, Mr. William Walters said that there were
instructions from the County Attorney not to participate in any discussion
with regard to the new information and this instruction was followed. He
said that the application was rejected unanimously with the facts at hand
tha t they had.
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Mr. Virta said that info~tion hns been added to the appli~ation
proccss before the Board that the CAPC was not privy to; however, he
said that thc new infonnation addresses only one of several issues that
the Planning Commission was concerned with.
Deputy Chief Raymond Barnett, when asked to comment, said that the
road in question needs to be four-1aned, noting that putting a traffic
intersection with a blinking light will not help the situation - widening
would. He also asked the Board to consider the fact that developments
of the size under discussion are expensive for the Sherifj's Department
to police, observing the demand for budget-cutting which has come forth.
Addressing the fire station matter which was brought ou~,by one of
the speakers, Commissioner Pistor stated that this provision is included
in the application and read the pertinent section which deals with the
subject.
Utilities Division Director Berzon responded in the negative to
Commissioner Wimer's query as to whether .he (Mr. Berzon) has reviewed
the petition, pursuant to the proposal that he revicw all rczoning
petitions which would cause an impact on utilities. He explained that
no formal action has been taken regarding such reviews but, in direct
answer to thc Commissioncr, Mr. Berzon said that he has not reviewed the
subject petition nor was it offered to him. The matter of utilities was
discussed at some lcngth with Attorney Pickworth informing the Board
that a meeting has been established for th;s date with the Corporation's
Counsel for a discussion of the franchise hcld by the firm's utility
division, and the like. Esscntial1y, said Attorney Pickworth, unless
the Board directs othcn~ise, he and Mr. Berzon will probably stand firm
on the Subdivision Rcgulations, in this regard, and probably not recom-
mcnd an extcnsion of the franchise area.
Commissioner Wimer voiced his concern over the lack of review by
the appropriate persons prior to such matters being brought to the Board
and which puts him in a position of voting "no" because he will not vote
on somcthing when he does not havc the complete picture. Mr. Apthorp
sa i d tha t hc fee 1 s confi dent the matter of the util it i es can be resolved
with the beginning of the discussions scheduled for this date.
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Commissioner Pistor moved to continue the public hearing for a
month to permit tu;.ther discussion and investigation by the staff, the
Attorneys, advisory cOIT'llissions, and the like, with regard to the new
items which have been introduced during the hearing. Chairman Wenzel
seconded the motion.
Commissioner Wimer voiced agreement to the intent of the motion;
however, he said that it is his belief that it should be readvertised
due to the public interest shown, suggesting that, as soon as the peti-
tioner has the problems solved, the petition can again be !Jut thro,,~h
the established process. He added that the burden is on the petitioner,
not the staff, to solve the problems.
Mr. Edward R. Oelschlaeger, Vice-President for Product Development
for The Deltona Corporation, requested that the motion for the delay be
withdrawn since the firm is under time restraints. He said that the
issue of utilities will be resolved either by the granting of an exten-
sion of the franchise or as mandated under the Subdivision Regulations
and dedicated to the County after their installation. Addressing a
further issue which was raised with regard to the staff recommendation
on traffic, Mr. Oelschlaeger said that the staff engineer reviewed the
original proposal on traffic and was satisfied and, sincp. the CAPC was
not, the proposal has been greatly expanded. Therefore, he said that he
was uncle~r on what the additional issues are.
Commissioner Pistor stated that, under the circumstances, the
petitioner stands a good chance of having t.he petition turned down and
the process started allover again. If the petition is continued for a
period of time, he said, and all the matters cleared up, the Board will
have a clear way to vote one way or the other and, therefore, the best
interests of everyone will be served.
Chairman Wenzel withdrew his seconding of the motion, following
which Commissioner Pistor withdrew the motion.
Commissioner Brown ~.ed, seconded by Commissioner Wimer and carried
4/1 with Commissioner Pistor voting in opposition, that the public hear-
ing be closed.
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Commissioner Brown moved for Approval of Petition R-80-27C. The
motion was seconded by Commissioner Archer And failed 2/3 with Commis-
sioners Pistor, Wimer and Wenzel voting in opposition.
PETITIOH St.\P-tlO-2C, THE DELTONA CORPORATION, REQUESTING SUBDIVISION
MASTER PLAN APPROVAL FOR PROPERTY KNOWN AS MARCD SHORES (COMPANION
PETITION TO R..80-27C) - WITHDRAWN FROM THE AGENDA
Legal notice having been published in the Naples Daily Nrws on
October 19, 1980 and in the Marco Island Eagle on October 16, 1980 as
evidenced by Affidavits of Publication previouslj filed with the Clerk,
public hearing was continued from November 4, 1980 with regard to Peti-
tion SMP-BO-2C, filed by The De1tona Corporation, requesting Subdivision
Master Pian Approval 'for prooerty known as ~Iarco Shores.
Pursuant to Board action denying companion Petition R-80-27C,
Commissioner Archer moved, seconded by Commissioner Wimer and unanimously
carried, that Petition SMP-80-2C be with1rawn from the agenda.
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RECESS: 10:40 A.I:. until 10:45 A.M. at which time Deputy Clerk
Brenneman was replaced by Deputy Clerk Davidson.
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DISCUSSION REGARDING THE POSSIBILITY OF REVERSING THE BCC ACTION TAKEN
THIS ~IORNING AND/OR DIRECTING DELTONA CORPORATION TO RESUBMIT REZONE
PETITION NO. R-80-27C - NO ACTION TAKEN AT THIS TIME (THIS MAiTER ACTED
UPON LATER IN THE SESSION)
COll11lissioner Pistor motioned that the Chairman instruct the staff
and the CAPC to advertise the matter regarding Petition R-80-27C, as
filed by Deltona Corporation, as soon as possible for a publiC hearing
before the CAPC; and, that the staff be instructed to proceed with the
investigation of all of the latest information regarding said Petition
as well as the decision that may be forthcoming this afternoon between
the County Attorney and the County Utility Director. He said that it is
his intent that this matter be brought before the Board of County Commis-
sioners for considcration as soon thereafter as possible. Chairman
Wcnzel seconded the motion to get it on the floor.
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County Attorney Pickworth said that it Is his understanding that
the motion to approve the subject Petition was a motion to approve the
rezoning of the related property to "PUD"t and that motion failed.
Chairman Wenzel concurred. Mr. Pickworth said that he understands that
the Zoning Ordinance provid~s that a petitioner cannot come back and
re-dlJlJly fur another 6 months, if their petition is denied by the Board
of County Commissioners. He therefore suggests, continued Mr. Pickworth,
that first the Board reverse the previous action which denied the subject
petition, thcrcfore the petitioner would not be in the position of having
been denied. He said that at that point, the Board could decide to direct
that the petition simply go back to the CAPC for further review. He clar-
ified this by saying that this is a suggestion based on the assuw.ption
that Oeltona Corporation is agreeable.
Commissioner Wimer expressed the feeling that this is in direct
violation to the County's Zoning regulations, ard Mr. Pickworth said that
the Board can reconsider a vote taken earlier in the same meeting and
reverse it, if they choose to do so.
Commissioner Wimer said that he would rather not; the public hearing
was closed; the interested people have left; and, that if the petiti~ner
wishes to ask for a reconsideration, they should request same as a matter
of public record. County MJnJgcr Norman SJid thJt the fact is that a
motion to approve the rezoning failed; it is not a matter of a motion to
deny the petition passing, adding that he believes that a second motion
would be in order. He said that the second motion would bp. that Oeltona
could take their petition back to the CAPC. Commissioner Wimer said
that he believes that the Ordinance states that the same petition cannot
be heard for a period of one year and that if it is for the same particular
land but a different petition, the time limit is six months.
Chairman Wenzel asked Commissioner Pistor if the intent of his motion
was to waive the waiting period and Commissioner Pistor replied that was
essentially correct. When asked if the Board can do this, County Attorney
Pickworth said that he did not believe SOj he has always cautioned against
doing this because this would lead to a situation where the Board could
be faced with no finality in petition decisions.
November 11, 1980
Chairman Wenzel withdrew the second and the motion died.
Commissioner Archer asked if a motion could be of.fered to rescind
the previous action, whereby the motion to approve Petition R-BO-27C,
failed and was consequently denied and Mr. Pickworth answered affirma-
tively, adding that this motion, if carried, wou1d bring the Board back
to consideration of the petition as it stood before the vote to approve
sa:'1e had failed.
Commissioner Wimer said that although it may be technically a
legal move, he believes that it is not morally proper, in that all in-
terested parties have left, and the public hearing has been closed.
Chairman Wer,zel stated that the matter shall rest, as it stands; that
the r.~lion died, and, the day's agenda will continue.
PETITION NZ-80-14-C, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, REQUESTING AMENDMENT TO
ZONING ORDINANCE BY ADDING PARAGRAPH RE "CT" CRITICAL TREATMENT
OVERLAY DISTRICT - CONTINUED TO 12/2/80
Legal notice having been published in the Naples Daily News on
October 2, 1980, as evidenced by Affidavit of Publication previously
filed with the Clerk, public hearing having been continued from October
21, 1980 was reopened to consider Petition ~Z-80-14C, as filed by the
Planning Department, requesting an amendment to Section 9, Ordinance
76-30, by adding a paragraph 11, "CT" Critical Treatment Overlay District,
special regulations for areas of environmental sensitivity.
Community Development Administrator Terry Virta stated that he is
requesting that this matter be continued until Oecember 2, 1980 as it
has been determined t~at the CAPC and the CCPA will have to review the
proposed amendment; the latter will have to determine if the proposed
amendment will be in compliance with the Comprehensive Plan.
Commissioner Archer n~ved, seconded by Commissi~~er Pistor and
carried unanimously 5/0, that Petition NZ-80-14C be continued to December
2, 1980.
COlmlissioner Wimer asked if this Petition could be re-advertised
due to the fact that it has been continued for such a long period of time
from the original public hearing datc, and Community Development Adminis-
trator Virta agrced that it would be appropriate. Chairman Wenzel
directed the County Manager to re-advertise the subject petition.
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PETITION BD-80-!)-C, SANDCASTLE DEVELOPERS, INC., REQUESTING EXTEtlSION OF
A BOAT DOCK INTO VANOERBILT LAGOON AT THE SANDCASTLE COI'!OOMINIUM IN
VANDERBILT BEACH - DENIED
Legal notice having been publ ished in the Naples Daily News on
October 26, and November 2, 1980 as evidenced by Affidavit of Publication
filed with the Clerk, public hearing was opened to consider Petition BD-
80-9-C, as filed by Sandcastle Developers, Inc., requesting an cxtcn5ion
of a boat dock into Vanderbilt Lagoon at the Sdndcastle Condominium on
Vanderbilt Beach.
Planner Lee Layne located the subject water frontage that is being
considered for construct.ion of the proposed dock, and explained that the
petitioner is requesting an extension up to 75 feet into the Vanderbilt
Lagoon, which is 55 feet over the maximum extension allowable without
BCC approval. She said that during the CAPC's public hearing of October
16, 1980, there was some concern expressed regarding the proliferation
of boat docks in the subject Lagoon, by resid~ntf in the general area;
it was pointed out at that time that three (3) docks have already been
approved in this area that are 75 feet in length and that the approval
of the subject dock would not be any longer than those. She 5aid that
it was also explained that there would still be some 375 feet of water-
way left open after the subject dock is built. Ms. Layne said that the
CAPC recommendation is for approval of Petition BD-80-9-C.
In answer to Commissioner Wimer, Ms. Layn~ said that among the
comments made at the CAPC public hearing, wa~ one that referred to
~1ving made their recommendation based on past approvals of 75 ft. boat
docks, adding that the CAPC did make the comment that a precedent has
been set by the BCC. Commissioner Wimer said that he could not agree
that this is a legitimate reason for forwarding a recommendation of
approval; he would prefer that this petition go back to the CAPC and
have it stand on its merits. Ms. Layne said that the CAPC also con-
sidered the five points 'of consideration outlined in the Boat Dock
Ordinance, and that the CAPC members felt that the subject petition met
all of the criteria within these five considera~ions~
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Chainman Wcnzel stated that he feels thc nee should take a firm
stand a~ainst certain Federal and State agencies that regulate water-
ways, etc. and, because they do not, there are many mistakes made.
Commissioner Pistor said that he feels that the problem ,with the pro-
posed dock is that it, unlike the other two dockJ that were previously
approved, has "fingers" sticking out from the end of it into the water
and the other docks have only walkways. He said that he thinks the
proposed dock will be a navigational haLlrd, in that boats tied out at
the end of the dock will not be lighted.
Kris Dane, representing the petitioner, distribut~d some colored
illustrations of the proposed boat docks, and addressed Commissionzr
Wimer's comment regarding the so called "precedent" by saying that he
believes that the CAPC members have looked at the carefully scrutinized
approval of the first boat dock at a length of 75 feet, and based their
decision on the fact that 75 feet was an allowable length on this
particular waterway. He told Commissioner Pistor that the "fingers"
only stick out into the waterway the same 75 feet that the other aoproved
docks do. Conmissioner Pistor agreed, stating that his objection is that
the "fingers" are 12 feet in length ,1nd that a boat will protrude far-
ther than that into the water.
Mr. Dane said th~t the subject boat dock was applied for immediately
after the first 75 ft. boat dock was approved by the Board; that the
owner of the property received a letter from the Engineering Department
stating that the petitioner could take same letter and go down to the
Building Department and receive a building permit for the dock; and,
because the petitioner was not ready to construct the dock at that time,
the permits were not drawn. He said that in the meantime the new ordinance
regulating boat docks was adopted. Mr. Dane said that is why h~ is here
today; had he applied for the permits ut that time, there would not have
been a need to come to tile Board today. He said that there were at least
two other boat dock permits applied for and received during that period
of time, and those are indicated on the plans before the Board today.
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Mr. George Keller, repr'esenting the Coll ier County Civic Feder-
ation, spok~ In opposition to the approval of the subject boat dock,
claiming that the present Roat Dock Ordinance prohibits docks from
extending out into the w,1ter more than ;W feet unless the petitioner can
prove some hardship or need for further exten~ion.
Carl Gilzow, President of Vanderbilt Beach Property Assoc. spoke in
opposition to the proposed boat dock, and urged the Board to follow the
regulations of the present Boat Dock Ordinance.
There was a lengthy discussion regarding the twr docks marked on
the illustrations and plans before the Board today, marked "approved
docks", ano Mr. Gilzow said that during the CAPC hearing related to
Petition BD-BO-9-C, the CAPC members were as puzzled as he is as to how
and when these docks were "approved". He further Objected to the fact
that these two docks were to be built out 75 feet from a vertical sea-
wall.
Planner Lee Layne stated that these two docks were permitted through
the Zoning Department; at that time they were not required to go before
the CAPC or the BCC. Mr. Gilzow stated that these two docks have not
been constructed as yet and a~ked why there was no public hearing held
and why they did not come before the BCC. There was some confusion as
to whether these docks marked "approved docks" were buil t, and Mr.
Gilzow stated that they were not, and that this is another thing that
was "misleading" to the CAPC when they reviewed the subject boat dock
~ctition. He said that during a physical investigation of the proposed
site for the subject boat dock, it appears to him that a riprap seawall
is being installed.
Zoning Director Jeffory Perry stated that the two "approved" boat
docks were approved after the first appeal and before the mora~o~ium on
non-conforming docks was established; this was also before the current
ordinance regarding boat dock regulations was adopted. He said that at
that time the Zoning Department could not stop the permitting process
for the two, based upon the approval of the 75 feet granted at the
appeal. County Manager Nonnan concurred.
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After a brief discussion, Chairman Wen~el asked the Board if they
would like to continue the public hearing until more information was
forthcoming and some of the questions were answered regarding the Board's
decision about dock length related to seawalls, and regarding the means
for approving the two docks identified in the plans before the 80ard
today and marked "approved". Assistant County Attorney Pires said that
he would have to study all the minutes of the relative meetings in order
to give any opinion and Mr. Keller sugg~sted that this might all be
cleared up if Mr. Virta read the current Boat Dock Ordina~ce.
Mr. Virta said that the current ordinance provides that rather than
boat docks being approved through an administrative process, they must
go before the CAPC and the BCC. He said that the docks that currently
have building permits were permitted purs~ant to the Ordinance regulations
that was in effect at the time; not the current Boat Dock Ordinance
adopted last Mayor June. He further commented that the docks that are
on the agenda today fall under the latter, and are subject to five
factors for criterie. The fOllowing factors for criteria were read into
the record:
1. The number of boathouses or docks to be located on
the subject property in relation to the length of
the waterfront property available for the location
of the boat houses or docks.
2. Water depth where the boathouse or dock facility is
to be located and the distance to the navigable chan-
nel.
3. The naturp and speed of water current in the navigable
channel.
4. The land contour of the property on which the boat-
house or dock facility is to be located.
5. The effect the boathouse or dock facility will have
on the safety of the users of the navigable channel
and adjacent waters.
He said that these points are the criteria used to arrive at the staff
recommendation for approval. and in answer to Commissioner Wimer he said
that these facts Here read into the record at the CAPC public hearing.
Commissioner Archer moved, seconded by Commissioner Brown and carried
unanimously, that the public hearing be closed.
Commissioner Brown moved for approval of Petition OD-BO-9-C, and
the Chairman seconded the motion to get it on the floor. Upon call for
the question the motion failed 2/3 with Commissioners Archer, Pistor and
Wenzel opposed.
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PETITION BD-80-10-C, WEST LONDON COMPANY, REQUESTING AN EXTENSrON OF A
BOAT DOCK INTO VANOERBILT LAGOON AT nlE SEAWATCH CONDOMINIUM IN VANDERBILT
BEACH - DENIED
Legal notice having been published in the Naples Daily News on
October 26, and Ncvember 2, 1980, as evidenced by Affidavit of Publication
filed with the Clerk, public hearing was opened to consider Petition BD-
80-10-C, as filed by West London Company, requesting an extension of a
boat dock into Vanderbilt Lagoon at the Seawatch Condo~inium in Vander-
bilt Beach.
Planner Lee Layne stated that the subject petitfJn is being requested
for an extension of a boat dock that is to be 55 feet over the maXiml!m
extension without Board approval, and pointed out the location of the pro-
posed boat dock for the Board. She noted that the CAPC held their public
hearing on October 16, 1980 and that there was some concern expressed by
some of the area residents over the proliferation of boat docks in the Van-
derbilt Lagoon at that time. She further stJte' that it was pointed out
during that hearing that three docks have already veen approved for the
length of 75 feet in the lagoon, and that the approval of the subject dock
would not be any longer than those previously approv~d. Also, she said that
there would still re~ain some 375' of waterway left after the dock is con-
structed. Ms. Layne said that the CAPC is recommending approval of Petition
BD-80-1O-C.
Kri~ Dane, representing the petitio~er, stated that he has tried to
comply to the regulations within the ordinance regarding boat docks, and
due to the previous denial of the other boat dock petition that he is pre-
senting today, he is at a loss as to how to proceed with docking facilities
for multi-family developments. He said that even if somewone else went to
the opposite side of the Lagoon and constructed a 75 foot dock there would
still remain ample space for navigability through the lagoon for boats to
pass. He also said that this area across the lagoon is a single family
area anyway, and that there would not be a need for a 75 foot dock. He
said that compared to the number of boats that could already be docked
inside the lagoon, tt,,> impact of these particul.ar docks is very small. He
said that the petitioner has met the Ordinance point by point and because
the staff has reviewed this petition, he is at a loss as to what else the
Board wants.
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Commissioner Archer said that he voted against the first 75 foot
dock in the lagoon. He asked Mr. Dane if the Board had approved 112
feet for the original dock, would he be here today asking for 112 feet?
Mr. Dane said that that was a good possibility. He said that the fact
is that 75 feet was approved before, and that there was no attempt to
mislead the CAPC with the markings on the plans and illustrations. He
said that these docks were approved; not built. He said that he was not
the engineer for those two "approved docks', however, they do have
permits, and he is just asking for the same consideration.
Commissioner Pistoi said that he still objects to the fingers on
the end of the docks and, Mr. Dane said that he is willing to be flexible,
and that if the Board.wishes to make a stipulation that the docks be re-
designed, to eliminate the fingers, then he would go along with that.
Commissioner Brown said that the CAPC and the staff have recommended
the approval of the docks as they are designed, and that he does not
believe that the proposed docks will be a navigational hazard. He said
that the BCC has ~pDroved this length of dock before.
Commissioner Wimer stated that he believes that perhaps Mr. Dane
and Commissioner Pistor could resolve the problem of the design and Mr.
Dane agreed to do so now, in order to acquire approval of the project.
Commissioner Archer asked how far out int~ th~ water the tie-off
pilings would protrude and Mr. Dane said that they would extend some 8
feet out into the water, and Commissioner Archer said that he was still
going to vote ne~atively for the reasons given earlier.
Mr. GilzO\~, President of Vanderbilt Beach Property Owners Assoc.,
stated that he still does not understand how the two "approved docks" on
the plans received approval, and Chairman Wenzel said that staff has
been instructed to look into that, and in the event th~t the Board deems
it necessary, they can rescind their action. Commissioner Wimer said
the staff has said that the petitioners for those two docks received
their approval before the moratorium was established.
Mr. Keller, Collier County Civic Federation, stated that he still
has not received an answer as to what the law reads regarding the al-
lowing of docks over 20 feet in length, ~nd safd that he wants to know
if the five pofnts must be met as "restrictive" points or "permissive"
points.
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He said that hc belicves the CAPC reconmendation was made in a "confused
state" rcgar~in9 this.
Chairman Wenzel directed Assistant County Attorney Pires to look
into thc matter ond report to thc board if there is a problcm with these
regulations. Mr. Keller said that he is asking the Board to stay within
the regulations of the present Ordinance.
Community Development Administrator Virta said that the request
before the Board is not one for a variance; the ordinance provides for
private boathouses and/or docks; individual 0r private boathouses
and/or docks; including mooring pilings. He read a portion of the
ordinance as follows:
"including mooring pilings, to serve the residents of a
development, with or without boat hoists, 6n canal or
water way lots, not protruding more than 5 feet in-
to the canal or water way, unless such canal or water-
way has a width of 100 feet or more; in which case, the
boathouse)r "ock may protrude 20 feet into such c1;nal
or wa terway. "
He said that the whole substance of the change lies in the following
portion which follows the aforementioned paragraph.
"Additional length beyond said 20 feet may be requested
and shall require public hearing by the CAPC".
He said that the ordinance goes on to require t.hat the petition will
also be required to come before the BCC.
Chairman Wenzel asked Mr. Virta if the two docks marked "approved
docks" on the plans before the Board have ever been before the CAPC, and
Mr. Virta said that the two Messrs. Keller and Gilzow mentllJlled and in-
dicated on the plans as "approved" have not; the two which Mr. Dane
petitioned for today before the Board have. Zoning Director Perry gave
the dates that the events took place regarding the docks in question and
concurred that they were properly permitted prior to the moratorium
being initiated and prior to adoption of the prese~t ordinance regulating
boa t docks.
After a discussion regarding the various events that led to the
permitting of the two docks that are not being ~equested for approval
today, Mr. Dane respectfully requested that the Board propose the approval
of both the dock just denied and the subject dock with the stipulation
that perpendicular mooring of boats be prohibited anJ approve both
petitions.
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There was some discussion rcgarding the distance that mooring
pilings would be allowed out from the dock during which Mr. Virta said
that according to the County's Ordinance, mooring pilings will be in-
cluded within the mcasurement of the 75 feet, Commis~ioner Wimer asked
if that ~pplies to all docks, i.e. would a five foot dock be required to
have all the pilings within the five foot measurement and Mr. Virta said
that according to the ordinance, they would not be allowed out beyond 5
feet.
Commissioner Archer moved to close the public hearing and Chairman
Wenzel sp~onded the motion which carried unanimously.
Commissioner Pistor moved to deny Petition BD-80-10-C and Commis-
sioner Archer seconded the motion which carried 3/2, with Commissioners
Brown and Wimer opposed.
Conrnissioner Wimer stated that there was Obviously a language
problem within the Boat Dock Ordinance, and that he would like to hav~
the ambiguities cleared up. Mr. Virta concurred and said that he is
aware of these prohlems and will see that it is studied and recommend-
ations forthcoming.
RESOLUTION 80-250. RE PETITION CCCL-8D-8C, BRUCE GREEN & ASSOC., INC.,
REQUESTING A VARIANCE FROM THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE FOR
PROPERTY LOCATED AT r.\ARCO ISLAND FOR REGRADING A DIKE, REVEGETATION, AND
CONSTRUCTION OF CHICKEES - ADOPTED
Legal notice having been published in the Marco Island Eagle 0n
October 23, 1980, as evidenced by Affidavit of Publication filed with
the Clerk, public hearing was opened to consider Petition CCCL-80~8C, as
filed by Bruce Green & Assoc., Inc., requesting a variance from the
Coastal Construction Control Line for property located in Section 17 and
18, T52S, R26E, Marco Beach, Unit 7, for the pu~pose of regrading a
dike, revegetation and construction of chickees.
Planner Lee Layne presented the subject petition for Environmental
Consultant Jay Hannic, who could not attend the meeting. She said that
the proposed project consists of regrading the artificial dike that
Deltona installed to hold dredged material, thus restoring the beach to
its original configuration, adding that it will be revegetated immediately
after regrading. She said that there will be no seawalls or any other
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permanent structure seaward of the coasted construction control line.
She said that Dr. Harmic has reviewed the petition and recommends ap-
proval with the stipulation set forth in the Resolution.
Jeff Purse, of Bruce Green & Assoc., stated that after he receives
approval from the BCC, there is still required approval to be acquired
from the Department of Natural Resources.
Comnlissioner Wimer asked Mr. Purse to explain what is proposed, and
Mr. Purse said that the existing dike that lies some 30 feet beyond the
Coastal Construction Control line that was put up by Deltona, in 1973 to
retain dredge material, will be regraded down to existing ground condi-
tions. He said that it runs north and south of the property and the
area along the beach has been used as access by vehicles, and this pro-
posed regrading will prohibit people from conjugating on the beach, and
will also provide some security for the people that will be living in
the condominium.
Comnlissioner Archer moved, seconded by Commissioner Pistor and
carried unanimously, that the public hearing be closed. Corrmissioner
Archer moved, seconded by Commissioner Pistor and carried unanimously,
that Resolution No. 80-250, approving a variance from the Coastal Con-
struction Control Line as requested by Bruce Green & Assoc., Inc" re
Petition CCCL-80-8C, be adopted subject to the stipulations within said
resolution.
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REQUEST TO ADOPT RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF ACQUISITION OF BARRIER ~SLANDS
FROM DENISH SHARMA OF THE BARRIER ISLAND COALITION -DENIED
Mr. Dcnish Sharma, representing the Barrier Island Coalition, made
a presentation read from a prepared report regarding the proposed movement
by the United States Senate and House of Representatives to support the
acquisition of portions of the Barrier Islands. He requested that the
Board of County Commissioners adopt a resolution in support of this ac-
quisition, specifically for the acquisition of Keewaydin Island, and
Cape Romano in Collier County. He explained that the funds to purchase
these barrier islands for conservation purposes will be State and Federal
and not locally contributed. There was some discussion regarding these
funds, during which Commissioner Brown pointed out that all State and
Federal taxes will come from all citizens of this County as well as the
fact that if these lands are purchased they will be removed from the tax
rolls and Collier County will therefore lose revenue each forthcoming
year.
After a l~ngthy discussion regarding the need for preservation
versus development of the~e environmentally sensitive lands, as Mr.
Sharma explained it, and the need to keep these areas open for recrea-
tional purposes as Commissioner Archer explained it, Commissioner Wimer
moved, seconded by COIi1T1issioner Wenzel that a Resolution in support of
the acquisition of the Barrier Islands be adopted. The motion failed
2/3, with Commissioners Brown, Archer and Pistor opposed.
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PETITION FDPO-BO-V-12, FRANr R. QUINN, JR., REQUESTING A VARIANCE
FROM THE MINIMUM BASE FLOOD ELEVATION REQUIRED BY THE FLOOD PRE-
VENTION ORDINANCE NO. 79-62 - DENIED
Legal notice having been published in the Naples Daily News on
October 26, and November 2, 1980 as evidenced by Affidavit of Publica-
tion filed with the Clerk, public hearing was opened to consider
Petition FDPO-80-V-12, as filed by Frank R. Quinn, Jr. requesting a
variance from the minimum base flood elevation required by the Flood
Damage Prevention Ordinance No. 79-62.
Planner Tom McDaniel explain~d that the ~ubject pet1tion is for
a variance from the required minimum base flood elevation to permit
the construction of a single family home at an elevation of 9.48 feet
NGVD instead of the 13 feet NGVD that is required in the FDPO, at
190 6th Avenue, Bonita Shores. Mr. McDaniel said that most of the
units in the neighborhood are single family homes, which have been
built at gr~de level prior to the adoption of the FDPO; that there are
vacant lots on either side of the subject lot. and that the lots west
and south of the subject lot are owned by the petitioner. He added
that the requested variance totals 3.52 feet. Mr. McDaniel stated
that the staff's rccom~cndation is for denial of this petition.
Frank Quinn, the petitioner, stated that he wishes to build the
proposed house at the same level as the others on the street and sur-
rounding area; that if he is required to build as high as the FDPO
requires, he would be much higher than the other homes and, that he
believe this would not be aesthetically pleasing and would devaluate
the proposed home as well as the surrounding homes.
There was some discussion regarding the alternative methods of
construction of a home at the required elevation, including stilt con-
v struction; lower levels of the home comprised of oth~r than habitable
facilities, i.e. laundry room, screen rooms, garage, etc.. and stem
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wall construction. Also discussed was the fact that if fill were brought
in, there are methods of construction whereby the walls could be brought
to ground level, and not be constructed so as to appear much higher than
the others on the street.
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Commissioner Pistor suggested a compromise, regarding the number
of fect to te granted fOl' the variance, and Mr. McDanicl said that
staff feels that it would be better to give the full variance than to
have a home ~eet the standards just part of the way. There was a dis-
cussIon regarding the dangers of the lower construction and Mr. Quinn
acknowledged that he was fully aware of the potential for flood and
was wi1lin3 to accept that responsibility.
Federal flood insurance availability in Collier County and the
possibility of becoming non-eligible for same if too ~any variances are
a 11 owed for cons tructi on of lower than requi red cons trlJcti on was di s-
cussed and Planning Director Danny Crew explained that while variances
in thc cases of lots with homes on both sides are not held against the
County; variances with vacant lots next door are. He said that his
Department has never recommendcd approval of any variance to the FDPD
regulations th,t ~ould hinder the County's eligibility for Federal flood
insurance and would never d6 so in the future.
Commissioner Wimer moved, seconded by Commissioner Archer and
carried unanimously, that the public hearing be closed.
Comnissioner Wim~r moved, seconded by Commissioner Brown that the
variance be granted. The motion failed 2/J, with Commissioners Pistor,
Archer and Wenzel voting in npposition.
RESOLUTION 80-251, VACATING A 60' BISECTOR EASEMENT ON TRACT C;
A 60' BISECTOR EASEMENT ON TRACT 7; AND THE 30' PERIMETER EASE-
MENT ABUTTING THt COMMON LOT LINE BETWEEN TRACTS 6 & 7, UNTT 1,
GOLDEN GATE ESTATES AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 4, PAGE 73. PUBLIC
RECORDS OF COLLIER COUNTY FLORIDA - ADOPTED
Legal noticc having been published in the Naples Daily News on
October 26 and November 2, 1980, as evidenced by Affidavit of Publication
filed with the Clerk, public hearing was opened to consider petition filed
by Kris Dane and Michael F. Stephen, requesting t~e vacation of the 60'
bisector easement on Tract C; the 60' bisector easement on Tract 7j and
the 30' perimeter easement abutting the common lot line between Tracts
6 and 7, Unit 1, Golden Gate Estates.
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Public Work~ Administrator/Engineer Clifford Barksdale stated that
the Engin~el'ing Department has received the subject petition for the
vacation of the above-referenced easements for the purpose of subdividing
the subject tracts into residential lots. He said that if the vacations
are approved all subdivision regulations must be adhered to regarding
the subdivision of the tracts into residential lots, and that the lots
may be no less than 2.5 acres in size.
letters of "No Objection" have been received from all utility com-
panies, said Mr. Barksdale, and the WMAB has reviewed the petition and
approved it administratively, as has the Engineering Department; it has
been determined that there will be no effect in the area if the easements
are vacated. Therefore, said Mr. Barksdale, staff's recommendation is
for approval of the vacntions.
Commissioner Archer moved, seconded by Commissioner Pistor and
carried unanimously, that the subject petition for vacation of the
above-referenced easements be approved, and that Resolution 80-251,
vacating said easements be adopted.
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RESOLUTION 80-252 VACATING THE MOST SOUTHERLY 30' EASEMENT LOCATED
ON THE SOUTH 165' OF TRACT 108, UNIT 29, GOLDEN GATE ESTATES -
ADOPTED
Legal notice having been published in the Naples Daily News on
October 26, and November 2, 1980, as evidenced by Affidavit of Publi-
cation filed with the Clerk, public hearing was opened to consider a
petition filed by Charles and Mary Ewing requesting approval of a
vacation of the most southerly 30' easement located on the south 165'
of Tract lOa, Unit 29, Golden Gate Estates.
Public Works Administrator/Engineer Barksdale stated that his
office has received a letter of "No Objection" from United Telephone
Company, and that Florida Power and Light Company has indicated no ob-
jection provided full' util ity easements are retained for the full width
and length of the right-of-way on 64th Street, S.W.; the request to
vacate the 30' easement will not affect the width or length of said
right-of-way because the 30' easement ab~tts the right-of-way and does
not encroach on same. Mr. Barksdale said that the WMAB has reviewed the
petition and approved it administratively; the Engineering Department has
reviewed it also and has determined that there will be no ~ffect in the
area if the easement is vacated, therefore, the staff's recommendation
is for approva 1..
Commissioner Wimer moved, seconded by Commissioner Archer and
carried unanimously, that the public hearing be closed.
Commissioiler Wimer moved, seconded by Chairman Wenzel and carried
unanimously, that Resolution 80-252, vacating the above-referenced
easement be adopted.
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AGREEMENT BETWEEN COUNTY AND IMMOKALEE SERVICES PROGRAM, INC.
AND RELATED COMl>IITMENT OF CASH CONTRIBUTION FOR TRI-CQUNTY
SENIOR SERVICES PROJECT - APPROVED FOR EXECUTION BY CHAIRMAN
County Manager Norman explained that fn the 1980-81 tentative
budget there is a recommendation that the contribution t~1 the Tri-County
Nutrition Progrum, a congregate meal program related to senior citizens,
be in the amount of $5,000. He said that he has been requested by the
people in Immoka1ee Services to confirm that this is the intent of the
County in order for them to proceed with their application for federal
funding.
In answer to Commissioner Wenzel, Mr. Norman said that these funds
are in the tentative budget and he requested that the Board approve a
letter of "Commitment of Cash" and an Agreement between the County and
Immokalee Services Program, Inc., which provides the legal basis for the
County's contribution.
Commissioner Archer moved, seconded by Commissioner Brown and
carried 5/0, that the two documents described by County Manager Norman
related to the County's contribution during FY 80-81 to the Tri-County
Senior Services Project be approved for execution by the Chairman.
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AGREEMENT WITH MOYER AND DYEHOUSE RE NORTH NAPLES BRANCH LIBRARY -
APPROVED FOR EXECUTION
County Manager Norman stated that pursuant to Board approval of the
"Short List" for the selection of an architect regarding the North Naples
Branch of the Collier County Public Library, and subsequent authorization
of staff to begin negotiations with the first name on the list, Moyer and
Dyehouse, a standard architect agreement has been negotiated with said
firm and is being presented today for approval and execution.
Mr. Norman said that by virtue of the fact that said firm has pre-
viously worked on the Golden Gate and ImmoKalee branch libraries they
have agreed 011 a 4'>% fee for their work. He said that he is pleased to
report that the County is in the final stages of negotiations with the
developers of Pelican Bay for the subject library site and that because
the architect's services are required for finalization of these plans, the
finn of Moyer and Dyehollse will be used up to the time of such finalization
of determination of a site and, in the event that site selection shoul~ not
be completed they will not be retained further. He explained that these
provisions are out! ined within the subject agreelilent.
Chairman Wenzel said that he believes that the County should not
move forward with this project as the people have bpen requesting cuts in
the proposed budget in order to lower taxes. Mr. Norman said that this
project is part of the proposed Capital Improvement Budget and Chairman
Wenzel said that he would not vote fnr it. Mr. Norman said that this is
the last area within the County that does not have adequate library
facilities and, in order to be consistent, he recommends approval.
Commissioner Wimer moved to adopt the staff recommendation and approve
the subject agreement with Moyer and Dyehousc for archi~ect services re the
North Naples Branch Library. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Pistor
and carried 3/2, with COlTlnissioners Archer and Werlzel opposed. Commissioner
Archer said that he is voting against the firm in question and not against
the proposed lihrary. Chairman \~enzel reiterated his reasons for voting in
opposition as expressed earlier and said that unless the people vote for
this Capital Expenditure on a ballot he will not favor it. He further stated
that he is goin~ to vote ilgainst any more capi tal expenditures; he believes
that the County can get along without them.
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WORKSHOP SESSION SCHEDULED FOR MONDAY, NOVEI10F.R 17, 1980 AT 9:00 A.M. RE
PROPOSED BUDGET CHANGES FOR FY-80-81 BUDGETS
County Manager Norman stated that in accordance with the directives
of the Board on November 5, 1980 to re-examine the FY 80-81 tentative
budget for possible further reductions, the staff has been working very
hard to formulate some recommendations to this end. He referred to a
memorandum d~ted 11/10/80 prepared by himself, along with a 200 plus
page report regarding various proposed cuts in the tentative budget, and
indicated 'that he believes that all cutb~cks have been made that were
possible without cutting back on the level of services to the public and
that his recofrmendations will have this effect regarding some levels of
service.
The total dollar f-igure that can be cut from the tentative budget
for departments under his discretion and as recommended within this re-
port comes to $487,423, said Mr. Norman, and noted that two copies will
be made available for public review at the Clerk's office.
After a brief discussion regarding the information and recommenda-
tions within the subject report, Chairman Wenzel stated that he would
like to have a workshop scheduled for Monday, November 17, 1980 at 9:00
A.M., during which all the Commissioners would hav:, the op,,:,tunity to
bring forth their comments before the public hearing that evening for
adoption of the FY 8G~81 budget. Hearing no objections to same, he so
directed that the County Manager schedule the workshop as indicated.
TIME REQUIREMENTS WAIVED AND RESUBMISSION OF REZONE PETITION BY DELTONA
CORPORATION RE "PUD" ZONING FOR MARCO SHORES - APPROVED
County Attorney Pickwcrth stated that after the pu~lic heari1g this
morning regarding Petition R-80-27C, filed by Deltona Corporation, he
has found that he must stand corrected, in that he was asked about the
possibility of a waiver of the time limits before resubmission of a re-
zoning petition that \~as denied. He said that he was mistaken when he
stated earlier that the Zoning Ordinance did not provide for such a
waiver, and he read the following into the record from the Zoning
Ordinance:
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"The time limits of Subsection 9b, above, may be waived
by thrce affirmative votes of the Board when such action
is deemed np.cessary to prevent injustice or to facilitate
the proper development of the County".
Hc said that the Subsection 9b, refers to the 6 month~ and the one year
time limit of the resubmission of rezone petitions, and that he is sure
that Deltona contcnds that they havc becn served with an injustice and
that they intend to proper~y develop that portion of the County. He
said that the Board does, then, have the au~hority to allow De1tona to
reapply for their requested rezoning as specified by the Ordinance.
There was some question as to what constitutes the Board's deeming
that this is neressary to prevent an injustice, and Mr. Pickworth 3aid
that this is up to the Board to decide. He further stated that Deltona's
repl'esentative should speak to this matter, and then, if the Board
decides that it would not be unjust to give them this waiver, then, the
Board has the power to do that.
Mr. James Apthorp, Vice President of Corporate Affairs for the
Deltona Corporation, stated that he did not believe that meeting the
criteria for allowing the waiver is a major burden for the Board, and it
seems to him that the question is whether the Board wants Deltona to
wa its i x months or twelve moni.hs or not. He said that it is hi s impres-
sion that most of the Board was not intending to wait that long; ~hat
the Board wanted to see another review by the CAPC, which was the only
one out of the four advisory groups that recommended against the subject
project.
In answer to Chainman Wenzel, Mr. Apthorp said that he does not
find an injustice in the denial of the petition based on only one of
four recommendations for denial; rather, the injustice wOtild be in
requiring a lengthy delay. He said that he believed that all the
aspects of questionable areas could be cleared up and that he admits
that all of the pertinent infol~ation was not presented at the time of
the public hearing before the CAPC. He requested a favorable vote on
the question of a waiver of time.
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In answer to COlTTllissioner Wimer, Mr. Apthorp said that it was not
his intention to have the motion for a 30 day delay in the public
hearing to be withdrawn, he intended to ask that the petition be allowed
to be brought back as soon as the items related to the Utility Div~sion
were worked out. He said that he wants his project to be weiyhcd on
the merits only.
Commissioner Wimer said that he believ~s that the reason the time
requirements ar~ in the Ordinance is to prevent exactly what is happening
today; to prevent Commissioners from changing their mind for whatever
reason, and coming back to a session when the public hearing has been
closed and the public have gone home, and thus, not allowing people that
are interested in the issue to be present when the Board takes action.
He said that he still believes that this is morally incorrect; he ob-
jects to it happening here, today; he objects to the manner in which this
particular matter has been handled; and he objects to the Board even
discussing this matter at this time, when it is not on the published
agenda. He said that he would probably give the issue more consideration
if it were put on the published agenda perhaps two weeks from today,
while the BCC is conducting business in a normal manner.
There was a discussion regarding whether or not the Utility Division
was ever sent information regarding the subject rezoning in an effort
to obtain Mr. Berzon's recommendations regarding u~ilities, etc., as
discussed this morning. Ms. Layne said that a copy of an agenda was
forwarded to ~1r. Berzon's office regarding the subdivision review
committee meeting, and Mr. Berzon said that Ile never received same.
Commissioner Wimer said that he was only concerned that ~omething
should have been resolved on the utility problems before the petition
cane to the Board for consideration, and Conmissioner Archer said that
he has learned during lunch that Mr. Berzon has been made aware of the
subdivision conrnittee meetings and did not attend. He said that he is
not sure that the problem was caused by the petitioner, but, perhaps it
is a problem cf communication within the County. Mr. Berzon said that
this is not the way it is; he has not been an active member of the
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subdivision review committee for nver a ycar, since the time that he
has been removed from involvement on the WMA8. Mr. Bcrzon said that he
does not participate in any way in the subdivision review process. He
said that is why, when several weeks ago, the subject came up that hi5
office should be involved in the review of zoning applications, he sent
a memorandum to the Chairman asking if this is going to be a policy of
the BCC. He said that he recommended at that time that if this is the
wish of the BCC, then it should be done by adoption of a relative Reso-
lution; he does not want to be put in a pusltion, nor doe) he believe that
the Board wants him in the position of taking on responsibilities that are
not the intention of the BCC. He said that the County Manager has contacted
him within the last week regarding this matter and that he indicated that
such a policy is to be worked out and presented to the Board for consider-
ation. He said that he did not know, nor was he involved in, the rezoning
process. Furthrrmrre, said Mr. Berzon, the question arises as to what he
is supposed to review if the petitioner says that he will provide water and
sewp.r services and nothing more. He said that if he is to be part of the
review process then the petitioner will have to submit information on which
a reconmenuat\on can be made in order tc. have any meaning.
Commissioner Archer stated that there seems to have been a communi-
cations gap somewhere between various departments and the Board within the
Co~nty; the blame for these instances should not be put upon the developer.
Mr. Berzon stated that he did not agree, and that he saw no "communications
gap" within the County, and said that he has not been invo""~d in any rc-
view process except specific requests for hooking up to the County's utili-
ties, and construction plans. He said that he has not been asked to partici-
pate in any review process, since he removed himself from that procedure
regarding participation on the subdivision review co~iltee. Mr. Berzon
said that he needs direction from the Board.
Commissioner Archer moved to waive the time requirements for the
resubmission of Deltona's rezone petition, in view of the requests that
were ~4de this morning. He further stated that this petition should be
re-advertis~d as soon as possible, and that it should be brought back to
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the BCC after it goes through the Utility Director and the CAPC with the
new information presented today regarding the Subdivision Regulations.
Commissioner Pistor seconded the motion.
Commissioner Wimer clarified the fact that he did not vote against
Deltona's petition this morning because Mr. Berzon had not reviewed the
petition; he voted against it because ~Iater and sewer rl'lated questions
were not answered to his satisfactic.n as tie" as other information was
not available. He said that he felt that he was not getting the entire
picture and that if this were not being decided today, in this fashing,
he would be open to reconsideration on his stand. He said that he
believes that this action is destroying the Board's credibility.
County Attorney Pickworth suggested that the motion Simply allow
Deltona to resubmit the application; it should not include the type of
review that is must go through or the subjects that will be reviewed
during this process. He said that there is nothing that stipulates tt:
at Mr. Berzon's department must review utility aspects of a petition,
simply because utility aspects are to be considered. There is an entire
provision for utilities within the Zoning Ordinance and this consideration
should be a part of both the Plannin9 Staff and th~ CAPC's concern, said
Mr. Pickworth.
After stating that he is only trying to answer requests made by
some of the Board this morning, Commissioner Archer said that he would
agree to amend the motion to waive the time requirements and that Deltona
Corporation be allowed to resubmit their rezone petition accordingly, in
the same fashion as any other petitioner would, as recommended by the
County Attorney. Commissioner Pistor agreed to the amended motion as the
seconder.
Commissioner Wimer asked if this means that the petition will go
through the entire rezoning process again, and Mr. Pickworth agreed.
The motion carried 4/1 after the following roll call vote:
Commissioner Archer
Commissioner Pistor
Conrnissioner Brown
Commissioner Wimer
Commissioner Wenzel
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RESOLUTION 80-253, FOR A PROVISIONAL USE OF THE "I-MIlSD" DISTRICT
IN PINECREST SUBDIVISION IN IM~IOKALEE FOR A CHILD CARE CENTER -
ADOPTED: IAPC FINDING OF FACT ACCEPTED FOR THE RECORD
Zoning Director Jeffory Perry stated that Petition PU-80-2-1,
submitted by Raul and Juanita Reyna, requesting a provisional use on
Lots 11 and 12, Block D, Pinecrest Subdivision, for the establishment
of a Child Care Center has been reviewed by the IAPe on September 24,
and October 29, 1980. He said that they recommended forwarding the
subject petition to the BCC with a recommendation for approval. In
answer to Chairman Pistor, Mr. Perry safo that no one app~ared before
the IAPC to object to the requested pruvisional use.
Commissioner Brown moved, seconded by Commissioner Wimer and car-
ried unanimously, that Resolution 80-253, for a provisional use for a
chil~ ~are center in Pinecrest Subdivision in Immokalee, be adopted and
that the IAPC finding of fact be accepted for the record.
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IMPERIAL GOLF ESTATES PHASE 2 - APPROVEO FOR RECORDATION; TWO
IRREVOCABLE LETTERS OF CREDIT ACCEPTED AS GUARANTEE SECURITY
Public Works Administrator/Engineer Oarksdale stated that the
construction plans and the final plat for Imperial Golf Estates Phase
2 were approved by the BCC on February 5, 1980, with the stipulation
that the plat would not be recorded until adequate security was pro-
vided or that the required improvements be completed.
Commissioner Pistol' moved to accept the staff recommendations to
the Board, including the approval for recordation of the Imperial Golf
Estates Phase 2's final plat and the acceptance of the two Irrevocable
Letters of Credit as guarantee security. Chairman Wenzel seconded the
motion which carried 4/1, with Commissioner Archer opposed.
INSTALLATION OF STREET LIGHTS RE NAPLES PARK AREA AUTHURIZEU AS PER
STAFF RECOI.1MENDATIONS
Public Works AdministrJtor/Engineer Barksdale read the Executive
Summary, dated 11/11/80, and concluded by stating that it is his recom-
mendation that in view of all the facts described within the Executive
Sunmary, the authorization should be given to proceed with the instal-
lation of street lights in the Naples Park Area with one li0ht at mid-
block and one at each intersection utilizing the 16,000 lumen high-pressure
sodium lamp fixture, concrete poles, and underground wiring.
This pattern of light, with one at midblock, will not provide the
standard lighting that is normally provided within a subdivision, said
Mr. Barksdale; however, it is a compromised position that can be added to
at a later time in order to bring it up to the standard it should be;
this would not have an increase in costs for installation and would only
require the costs of the additional poles and lights.
Underground wiring plans were explained by Mr. Barksdale and the
public was asked to ~peak.
The following people spoke in opposition to the recommended street
light installation in Na~les Park:
1. Jeannette Foresman, 1040 6th Avenue North, representing
Naples Park Voters League.
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2. l.S. Emmert, 755 104th Avenue, representing himself.
3. Elwyn J. Avard, 582 104th Avenue, representing himself.
4. Florence Nofrio, 612 l04th Avenue North, representing
herself.
The following gentleman spoke in favor of the recommended
installation of street lights in Naples Park:
1. Carl Pauly, resident of Naples Park.
The following gentleman spoke in favor of the recommended instal-
lation of street lights, if that is the most light tt:at can be installed
at this time, and strongly favored closer spacing of lights if at all
possible:
1. Harry Moore, 564 99th Avenue North.
Upon hearing that there were no other members of the public registered
to speak on the rnatter, Conrnissioner Archer moved, seconded by Commissioner
Brown and carried uranimously, that staff's recommended installation of
street lights in Naples Park be authorized in the manner outlined within
the Executive Summary and as recommended by Public Works Administrator/
County Engineer Barksdale.
BILL OF SALE, DEED EASEMENT AND OTHER DOCUMENTS RELATED TO WIGGINS
PASS MARINA-SEWER FORCE ~~IN AND LIFT STATION - ACCEPTED FOR RECORDA-
TION; UTILITY DIVISION'S ASSUMPTION OF OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE
RESPONSIBILITY OF LIFT STATION AND FORCE MAIN AND AUTHORIZATION OF
COLLECTION OF ALL SEWER SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGES RE SAME - APPROVED;
ONE YEAR MAINTENANCE GUARANTEE RE SA~E SYSTE~l TO BE PROVIDED BY DE-
VELOPER - APPROVED FOR ACCEPTANCE BY THE COUNTY
Utility Director Irving Berzon stated that in compliance with
County Ordinance No. 79-33, a Deed and Bill of Sale for the sewer force
main and lift station at Wiggins Pass Marina are being offered to the
County; that the sewage force main and lift station for the Wiggins Pass
Marina is located within the public right-of-way anrl/or dedicated utility
easement; and, that the developer is retaining ownership and responsibility
of the lift station and force main.
The necessary t~sts have been submitted and the Utility Division is
satisfied to reconrnend the acceptance of the force main connection and
the lift station for ownership by the County, said Mr. Berzon, who added
that this acceptance will also carry with it a one year maintenance guaran-
tee of the facilities by the developer.
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In answer to Commissioner Wimer. Mr. Berzon stated that the
gravity system regarding this project is located on the developer's
property, therefore, it will not be dedicated to the County as is
usually the case in other projects of this nature. He said that the
Utility Division has no problem with this because if there are any
problems with a blocked scwer linc on the gravity system, it will be
the responsibility of the developer to cleJr it up and not one of the
County.
Commissioner A~cher moved, ~econJed by Commis~ioner Pistor and
carried unanimously, that the County accept and record the Bill of Sale,
Deed, Easement documents, and all other pertinent documents for accep-
tance of the sewer facilities and lift station located at Wiggins Pass
Marina; that the County Utility Division be authorized to assume the
ownership and maintenance responsibility of the sewer force main and
1 ift station; that the County Util ity Divisio.:n t.~ authorized to collect
all sewer system development charges for connecting to these sewer
facilities; and, that the County accept a one year maintenance guarantee
for the sewer force main and lift station from the developer.
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10/21/80 Dec ACTION REAFFIRMEO - STAFF TO CONTINUE EFFORTS RE ACQUISI-
TION OF TIlE ORIGINAI.LY CHOSEN "PARCEL A" PROPERTY FOR THE SITE OF THE
COLLIER COUNTY REGIONAL WATER SYSTEM TREATMENT PLANT
Utility Oirector Irving Berzon stated that pursuant to BCC direc-
tion the staff has entered into negotiations with the owners of the
originally selected property for the site of the County Regional Water
System Water Treatment Plant in the Golden Gate Estates area just east
of S.R. 951, south of the Golden Gate Canal and approximately 1 mile
north of Alligator Alley indicating the subject site on an overhead map,
colored in red and referred to same as parcel "A", he said that when
the Board selected parcel "A" as their choice, Mr. Mabey, representing
the owners of parcel "A" asked the Boar;! to consider alternate sites for
the treatment plant. The Board directed the staff to enter into negotia-
tions with the owners tcwards this end, and subsequently that is why he
is here today, to enlighten the Board as to how these negotiations are
going. He said that afler holding two meetings, the Board was furnished
letters regarding the results from himself, and he regrets that there
has not been a mutually satisfactory arrangement arrived at, thus the
negotiations have failed, primarily, due to the fact that the owners of
the property are asking approximately $16,000 per acre and the appraiser
hired by the County has valued the subject land at $12.000 per acre. He
said that based on the fact that the County wants to acquire 26 acres
this represents some S120,OOO more than anticipated for purchase. Mr.
Berzon said that in addition, the various alternate pieces of property,
all similar in size and closely proximated to the originally chosen
parcel, will cost a minimum of $42,000 in present day costs for ad-
ditional pipe that must be laid ~f any of the alternate sites are chosen.
Mr. Berzon said that for those reasons, as outlined in the two
letters, he has forwarded to the members of the Board, the Engineering
Consultant for the project, the staff, and he, all concur that the
original reconlnendation be adhered to and that the Board reaffirm thei r
action of 10/21/80 and authorize staff to begin the necessary steps to
acquire parcel "A". He said that this would include the authorization of
the staff to acquire the property either by condemnation or otherwise,
as specified during the 10/21/80 meeting.
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Mr. Reginald W. Mabey, representing Trust '50-0990, who are the
owners of parcel "A", displayed three maps on the wall, each depicting
an alternate site, all of which are made up of portions of the land
owned by the Trust, as possible sites for the water treatment plant.
Mr. Mabey referred to these maps as drawings A, B. and C. He said that
he has no intention of "moving the County off the land", rather, he is
simply asking that these alternate portions of the land be considered.
He said that he understands that there will be an additional expense of
some $42,000 on the part of the County if they were to choose one of
these ot.her parcels, however, he and his partners have millions of
dollars in their investments at stake.
He described each of the three alternate sites, A, 8, and C, to the
Board and upon completion of same, Mr. Berzon told the Board that the
Utility Division could construct the water treatment on any of the three
alternates shown by Mr. Mabey, however, each one would cost more than
the one chosen on 10/21/80 to develop, for this purpose. He said that
the additional $42,000 cost cou:d be offset if the purchase price were
offered at a somewhat lower figure.
County Attorney Pickworth asked Mr. Mabey if he has had a profes-
sional appraisal of the subject property, and Mr. Mabey answered nega-
tively, who said that he and his partners have mentioned the approximate
figure of $16,000 per acre basp.d on the appraisal completed by the BCC's
appraiser, Mr. Johnson, with some exception including the fact that this
is prime property that is a portion of one of the largest blocks of land
vacant in Collier County that is developable, and based on the location
of the property relative to the 1-75 interchanges proposed. He further
stated that the figure of $16,000 is negotiable, if the location of the
site could be negotiable.
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There was a lengthy discussion regarding whet~er or not negotiations
would result in a more ~atisfactory arrangement than has been arrived at
thus far, on both the part of Mr. Mabey and his associates, and the County.
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County Attorney Pickworth said that unless Mr. Mabey is willing to
accept less money ,per acre, there is no need to continue with the
negotiations, and certainly no need to consider other than the origi-
nally selected site. Mr. Berzon concurred, adding that the Utility
Division could accept an alternate site if the price were acceptable.
After a lengthy discussion, Consulting Engineer Ted Smallwood
recommended that at the price recommended by the appraiser, the most
optimum property is that which was originally chosen hy the BCC,
identified as parcel "A", or the most northerly parcel of the two con-
sidered on 10/21/80; however, the second choice would be Plan A, which
is the first of the three offered as alternates by Mr. Mabey, if the
price were lower.
Regarding the willingness of the County and Mr. Mabey to negotiate
towards the enc to which the County is striving, versus the willingness
to negotiate towards both a more accepta~le site and price according to
Mr. Mabey and his partners point of view, Commissioner Wimer moved,
seconded b~' Conmissi:lI1er Pistor and carried 4/0, with Commissioner
Archer out of the room, that the Board rp.affirm their 10/21/80 action
and di"ect staff to i'<:quire the property identified as Parcel "A" and
move forward with condemnation proceedings if further negotiations are
not fruitful. Chairman Wenzel said that the Board will be recp.ptive to
negotiations in the interim period between now and the time of con-
demnation hearings. County Attorney Pickworth concurred, adding that he
would be receptive at any time to the land owner offering the land at a
more reasonable price.
ROUTINE BILLS - APPROVED FOR PAYMENT
Commissioner Pistor moved, seconded by Commissioner Brown, and car-
ried 4/0, with Commissioner Archer out of the room, that the bills,
having been processed following established procedure, be approved for
payment as witnessed by the following checks issued from November 5,
1980 through November 11, 1980:
ACCOUNT
CHECK NO.
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1576 - 1877
174G9 - 17929
Genera 1 Fund
Vendor Payments
BCe Payroll
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Commissioner t\rcher returned to the meeting - Time: 4:05 P.M.
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DISTRIBUTION OF FEDERAL FUNDS RECEIVED IN LIEU OF TAXES FOR 1980 -
Ar?ROVED AS SUBMITTED BY FISCAL OFFICER
Fiscal Officer Harold Hall explained that the distribution of
Federal FUllds in I ieu of taxes for 1980 is based on a fixed formula or
guideline from the Federal Governmcnt for this distribution, however,
as a matter of routine, this is covered each year by himself with the
County School Board Associate Superintendent of Business Affairs, and
then brought back to the Board for approval. He referred to the Clerk's
report, and noted that it includes a summary sheet identifying the re-
commendec distribution of these funds.
Commissioner Pi~tor moved, ~ecor.ded by Commissioner Archer and
carried unanimously, that the distribution of Federal Funds in Lieu of
Taxes, be approved as submitted by the Fiscal Officer, totaling $531,741.
RESULTS OF CANVASSING BOARD RE NOVEMBER 4, 1980 ELECTION - ACCEPTED FOR
TH E .BI C .PEP
Commissioner Wimer moved, seconded by Commissioner Pistor and
carried unanimously, that the results of the Canvassing Board from the
November 4, 1980 Election be accepted for the record.
In answer to Commissioner Pistor, Administrative Aide to the Board
Mary Morgan stated that in the event that the Elections Supervisor has
t~ amend the figures due to uncounted votes of personnel in the Armed
Service, that dn amended Results of the Canvassing Board will be filed
at that time and that this would not negate t.he need to enter the subject
results into the record.
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Corrrnissloner Wimer moved, seconded by Cotr.nissioner Pistor and
carried unanimously, that the advcrtisin9 be nuthorized for information
regarding the 19130 taxes and explanation thereof, as prepared and
rec.ommended by the Fiscal Officer and the County Manager; this ad-
vertisement is to appear in the Naples Daily News on Friday, November
14, and Sunday, November 16, 19BO.
BOARD PRESENTS THOI-lAS ARCHER INSCRIBED PLAQUE IN APPRECIATION AND
RECOGNITION OF YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE COUNTY AS A COMMISSIONER
The Board presented an inscribed pldque in appreciation and recog-
nition of the years of service to the County as a memb~r of the Board of
County Commissioners to Commissioner Thomas Archer.
Upon hearing said inscription read by Administrative Aide to the
Board Mary Morgan, ;';ommissioner Ai"cher expressed his gratitude to all
the members of the County staff.
~lRS. GRACE SPAULDING SELECTED AS ADMINISTRATIVE AIDE TO THE BCC
EFFECTIVE DECEM8ER 1, 1980
Commissioner Pistor recommended Hs.Grace Spaulding, pre;:;ently
wvrk;ng as the Executive Secret~ry to the President of Hole, Montes and
Associates, to replace Ms. Mary Morgan, who will be leaving due to her
recent election.
Commissioner Pistor said that Ms. Morgan has screened a"plicants
for the subject position from both within the County and from the outside.
I;le said tha,t' M~. Spauld ing is recommended very hi gh ly and tha t she
is well qualified for the position as evidenced by her various skills
which he read from her resume.
Hearing no objections from any member of the Board, Commissioner
Pistor moved, sccor.ded by Commissioner Archer and carried unanimously, that
Ms. Grace Sp<lu1.ding lbe selected as the Administrative Aide to the
Board of County Conr.llssioncrs effective Deccmber 1, 1930.
November 11, 1980
MS. MARGIE HALL APPOINTED TO FILL VACANCY ON LIBRARY BOARD AS AN
ALTERNATE MEMGER
Commissioner Brown moved, seconded by Commissioner Pistor and
carried unanimously, that Ms. Margie Hall be appointed to fill a
reccnt vacancy on the library Advisory Board as an alternatc member.
Administrative Aide to the Board Mary Morgan stated that thc
tcrm of the gentleman whose seat Ms. Hall will be filling expires
at the end of this year.
TRAFFIC SAFETY SUB-GRANTS RE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT FROM THE BUREAU
OF HIGHWAY SAFETY - AUTHORIZED FOR CHAIRMAN'S SIGNATURE
Commissioner Pistor moved, seconded by Corrrnissioner Arc'her and
carried unanimously, that thQ Traffic Safety Sub-Grants obtained by
the Sheriff's Dep~rtment from the Bureau of Highway Safety be author-
ized for the Chairman's signature.
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CERTIFICATE FOR CORRECTION TO THE 1979 TAX ROLL - AUTI10RIZED FOR
THE CIlAIRMAN'S SIGNATURE
Commissioner Archer moved, seconded by Commissioner Pistor and
carried unanimously, that the following Certificate for Correction to
the 1979 Tax Roll, as presented by the Property Appraiser's Office, be
authorized for the Chainnan's signature:
1979 TAX ROLL
NUMBER
1979 - 219
DATE
10/31/80
DISCUSSION REGARDING THE NEED TO HAVE A SEAT ON THE PROPERTY APPRMSAL
ADJUSTMENT BO^RD FILLED BY A COMMISSIONER - NO ACTION TAKEN
Pursuant to Administrative Aide Mary Morgan's statement that one of
the Commissioners who was to be seated on the Property Appraisal Adjust-
ment Board cannot attend, there was some discussion regarding the need
to have this vacancy filled by a Commissioner.
It was the consensus of the m~lObers of the Board that one of the
remaining two Commissioners would be available to attend the meetings
and no fonnal action was taken regarding the matter at this time.
RESIGNATION FROM DR. JAY HARMIC REGRETFULLY ACCEPTED; COUNTY MANAGER
DIRECTED TO DISCUSS RE~~INING WITH THE COUNTY ON A PART TIME BASIS AS
ENViRONM:rnAL CONSULTANT WITH OR. HARMIC
Upon hearing from Ms. Morgan that a letter of resignation had been
received fr0m Or. Jay Harmic as the Environmental Consultant to the County,
and noting that this has been a contractual position, Commissioner Brown
moved, seconded by Commissioner Archer and carried unanimously, that the
County regretfully accept the resignation from Dr. Harmic and agreed to
the termination of said contract effective December 31, 1980.
After a brief discussion regarding the fine Job th~t Dr. Karmic has
done and the wishes of the memt~rs of the Board that some sort of an agree-
ment be en tcredi n to with him for future services, the County Manager was
directed by a motion offered by Commissioner Brown, seconded by Commis-
sioner Wimer and carried unanimously, to contact Dr. ~armic and discuss
same, even if it is only on a part time basis. In answer to Mr. Norman, the
Board indicated that they believe that the Environmental Consultant needs of
the County could be met by retaining Dr. Harmic on a part time basis.
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TAX COLLECTOR AUTHORIZED TO ISSUE DUPLICATE TAX SALE CERTIFICATE IN
ACCORDANCE WITH PETITION SIGNED BY RICHARD Eo OLSON (NO. 2752)
Commissioner 'Archer moved, seconded by Commissioner Pistor and
carried unanimously, that the Tax Collector be authorized to sign
duplicate Tax Sale Certificates in accordance with the petition signed
by Richard E. Olson, (No. 2752, sale of 1978 having been lost).
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SATISFACTION OF MORTGAGE RE 1/24/69 LIEN IN ANTICIPATION OF r1EDICAL
EXPENSES THAT THE COUNTY MIGHT HAVE lNCURRED - AUTHORIZED FOR CHAIRMAN'S
EXECUTI ON
Commissioner'Archer moved, seconded by Commissioner Pistor and
carr'ied unanimously, that the Satisfaction of Mortgage regarding the
1969 lien in anticipation of medical expenses that the County might have
incurred on property owned by Abner and Rosa Lee Heron, be au:horized for
execution by the Chai rman as recommended by Social Director Martha Skinner,
as there were no funds expended by the County for this particular case.
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FLORIDA HEALTH SYSTEM COUNCIL
Commissioner Wimer moved, seconded by Commissioner Archer and carried
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unanimously, that Commissioner P,stor be appointed to fill a vacancy on
the Board of Directors of South Central Florida Health System Council.
LETTER DATED 11/3/80 FROM GEORGE KELLER ~E PROVISIONAL USES - TO BE
OIRFr.TFO TO STAFF FOR RFVTEW AND COMMENTS
Chairman Wenzel directed that Mr. Keller's letter, dated 11/3/80,
regarding recommendations relative to provisional uses in Collier County
be referred to staff for their review and/or comments.
COUNTY MANAGER TO FORMALIZE THE PROCEDURE OF REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION
BY THE UTILITY DIVISION RE REZONING, SUBDIVISION REGULATION REVIEW, ETC.
Commissioner Wimer stated that he would like to see the review
process procedures regarding the Utility Divisions role in the review pro-
cess of rezone petitions, subdivision regulation reviews, etc. cleared up.
He suggested that a recommendation be forthcoming, perhaps as soon as
next week.
County Manager Norman said that he would meet with Mr. Virta and Mr.
Berzon and formalize this procedure regarding the relative review process
and in keeping with the Board's direction in this matter, he would like
the opportunity to handle this formalization administratively. He said
that the Board's direction will suffice as to what role Mr. Oerzon will
play for r.ow, ilnd that he \'/i11 follow up with an administrative policy
regarding this process.
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Commissioner Wimer so moved, seconded by Commissioner Brown and
carried unanimously, that the County Manager shall develop an administra-
tive policy regarding the Utility Division's role in the review process
for rezones, subdivision regulation reviews, etc.
LAKE TRAFFORD MEMORIAL GARDENS CERTIFICATE DEED NO. 242 - RECORDED AND
FILED FOR THE RECORD
Pursuant to action of the Board January 10, 1978, wherein the Chair-
man was authorized to sign various deeds to Lake Trafford ~Icmorial Gardens
cemetery lots as the need arises, the following Deed No. 242 was recorded
and filed for the record:
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15.
Copy of memorandum dated 11/3/80 to Fire Chief Dave Reeves,
Golden Gate Fire Department from Community Development
Administrator re renaming of streets and roads in Golden
Gate and Golden Gate Estates. Filed.
16. Office of Inspector General, Farmworker Fact Sheet, Nov-
ember 1980j xc County Manager; Community Development; Filed.
17. Notice of Workshop meetings on the Local Govt. Comprehensive
Planning Act (LGCPA) from the Fla. Department of Community
Affairs, received 11/11/80. xc County Manager; Community
Development Division; Filed.
lB. South Central Florida Health Council, Inc. Hearing review
schedule for grants and certificates of need within certain
described regions. filed.
19. DER notice dated 11/5/80 announcing public meeting scheduled
for 11/18/80, in Tallahassee; a workshop for 11/25/80 in
Tallahassee; and Docket No. 80-26R, re Chapter 17-15, F.A.C.,
to be considered 12/4/80 in Tallahassee. xc Mr. 8erzon; Filed.
20. Monthly Departmental Reports as follows; Purchasing Dept.
(Oct.); Ochopee Fire Control District (Sept.); Golden Gate
Fire Contrrrl District (Oct.) Filed.
21. Letter dated 11/10/80, from Secretary to G.E. Carroll, re-
questing that the public hearing re B&B Disposal Transfer
of Franchise to Statewide Environmental Contractor's Inc.
be deferred to 11/18/80. Filed.
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22. Letter dated 11/10/20 from Environmental Confederation of
Southwest Florida in opposition to Petitions R-80-27C &
SMP-80-26, Deltona Corp./Marco Shores. Filed.
23. Letter dated 11/10/80 from Robert E. Doyle, Jr., representing
Structural SysLems, rnc. re proposed franchise for construction
debris removal on Marco Island, Florida, responding to a
request for information re same firm. xc County Attorney;
County Manager; Filed.
24. Letter dated 11/11/80, from the Izaak ~alton League of America,
Cypress Chapter, in opposition to rezoning re Petitions R-80-27C
and SMP-80-25. Filed.
There being no further business for the good of the County, the
meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair - Time; 4;37 P.M.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS/EX
OFFICIO GOVERNI~G BO!\RD OF SPECIAL
DISTRICTS UNDER ITS CONTROL
ATTEST:
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