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CCPC Minutes 12/06/2018December 6, 201 8 TRANSCRJPT OF TI{E MEETING OF TI{E COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION Naples, Florid4 December 6, 20'18 LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Collier County Planning Commission, in and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on this date at 9:00 a.m., in REGULAR SESSION in Building "F" of the Govemment Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the following members present: CHAIRMAN: Mark Strain Stan Chrzanowski Karl Fry Edwin Fryer Karen Homiak Joe Schmift ABSENT: Patrick Dearbom ALSO PRESENT: Mike Bosi, Planning and Zoning Manager Jeffiey Klatzkow, County Attomey Scott Stone, Assistant County Attomey Heidi Ashton{icko, Managing Assistant Cormty Aftorney Tom Easrrnan, School District Representative Page 1of 19 December 6, 201 8 PROCEEDINGS MR. BOSI: Chair, you have a live mike. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Good moming, everyone. Welcome to the December 6th meeting of the Collier County Planning Commission. If everybody will please rise for Pledge of Allegiance. (The Pledge of Allegiance was recited in unison.) CTIAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. Will the secretary please do the roll call. COMMISSIONER FRYER: Mr. Eastman? MR. EASTMAN: Here. COMMISSIONER FRYER: Mr. Chrzanowski? COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Mostly here. COMMISSIONER FRYER: Welcome, Mr. Fry. Are you here, sir? COMMISSIONER FRY: I'm here, yes. COMMISSIONER FRYER: I'm here. Chairman St-ain? CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Here. COMMISSIONER FRYER: Vice-chair Homiak? COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Here. COMMISSIONER FRYER: Mr. Schmitfl COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: Here. COMMISSIONER FRYER: Mr. Dearbom? (No response.) COMMISSIONER FRYER: Chair, we have a quorum of six. CHAIRMAN STRAN : And Mr. Dearbom notified me that he is not feeling well today, ard he just couldnt make it and so that would be an excused absence, and I wish him the best of luck for the holidays. That gets us into the addenda to the agend4 which is going to be surprising. We have four items on our agenda, and three ofthern, the first three, which I'll read them off, arc a rEquest for continuances. The first two are companion items, and they're VA-PL20 I 8000 I 74E, and ifs companion to the BDE-PL20180001018. Both ofthem are located on Pelican Steet in lsles of Capri; therefore, a variance and a dock extension. And does anybody know when - ifthis is going to be continued indefinitely or continued to a time-adatecertain? Scot! is this yours or * MR. BOSI: Mike Bosi, Planning and Zoning director. I spoke with Gail Martinez, the principal partner assigned to the projec( and tentatively, ifs the second meeting in February is when we're targeting to bring these back to tle Board ofCounty Commissioners. It's beyond the five-week period, so we'll have to readvertise for that specific date. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. So this is going to be just continued indefinitely, then, until it's readvertised? MR. BOSI: Conect. CIIAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. So let's take them one at a time. Is there a motion to continue VA-PL201 80001748 for Pelican Street boat dock variance indefinitely? COMMISSIONER FRYER: So moved. COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Second. CI{AIRMAN STRAIN: Made and seconded. All those in favor, signifo by saying aye. COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Aye. COMMISSIONER FRY: Aye. COMMISSIONER FRYER: Aye. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: AyE. COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Aye. COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: Aye. Page 2 of 19 December 6, 2018 CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Anybody opposed? (No response.) CI-IAIRMAN STP.AN: Motion caries G0. The second one, companion to that one, BDE PL20I80001018, and it's for the same location. Is there a motion to continue that one indefinitefl COMMISSIONER FRYER: So moved. COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Second. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Seconded. All thoee in favofl COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Aye. COMMISSIONERFRY: Aye. COMMISSIONER FRYER: Aye. C}II{IRI\,I/AN STRAN: Aye. COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Aye. COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: Aye. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Anybody opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Motion carries 6O. The third request for continuance is for PL-2017N444419/CP-201E-l. That is for the Comp Plan amendment for a project called the Allura up on Livingston Road. Actualty, it's got a name - that's the cornmon name. There's a different name, Livingston Road Veterans Mernorial Boulevard East Residential SuMistrict is the official name. Does anybody have a date for the request for the continuance on that one? Mr. Mulhere, you want to come up and rEquest the date? MR. MULHERE: Good morning. For the recond, Bob Mulhere here on behalf of the applicant. We would like to continue until the January l Tth planning board hearing. CIIAIRMAN STRAIN : Okay. And if you dq since you re a continued item, you'd be the first up on date. MR. MULIIERE: Yeall and we'll go about meeting with our neighbors and be better prepared on the l7dr. Thank you. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. Is there now - MR. STONE: Mr. Chair, just to clariff, thar will have to be readvertised because it is also more than five weeks. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. But we will continue ig just so the public knows, to that date, and if it's needed to be continued or changed again, we could always do it on that date. And, also, we are hearing that one as the EAC. So sitting as the EAC, is there a motion to continue Itern PL20170m4419/SP-2018-1? Well, wait a minute that one isn't drc EAC. It's the - is that - are we - is that one an EAC requirement, too? COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: No, it's a Comp Plan. CHAIRMAN STRAN: Yeah. Thds one - that's the Planning Commission. Next one's the EAC. Okay. Is there a motion to continue th&t one to the l Tth ofJanuarl2 COMMISSIONER FRYER: So moved. COMMSSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Second. CHAIRMAN STRAN: By Ned. Seconded by Stan. Discussion? (No response.) CHAIRMAN STRAIN: All in favor, signifu by saying aye. COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Aye. COMMISSIONERFRY: Aye. COMMISSIONER FRYER: Aye. CTIAIRMAN STRAIN: Aye. COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Aye. COMMSSIONER SCHMITT: Aye. CHAIRMAN STRAN: Anybody opposed? Page 3 of 19 December 6, 2018 (No response.) CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Motion canies 6-0. Thafs the three items today. So if you're here for tfie Cooper boat dock on Isles ofCapri - MR. MULIIERE: Justed to want say Happy Holidays since I wont see you before then. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Well, you made it a happier holiday today, Bob. lfyou're here for the Allura poject up on Livingston Road none ofthose are going to be discussed today. They will be heard at a future date, and Allurq specifically, hopefully the l Tth of January. Now, back to our agenda. Planning Commission absences. Speaking ofthe lTth ofJanuary, does anybody know if they're not going to make it the l Tth of January meeting? (No response.) CHAIRMAN STRAIN: We'll have a quorum. As we talked about last time, the plans have been made for the ability for us to meet in Immokalee to discuss the Immokalee Master Plan on January 3lst. That meeting will be starting at l0:00 o'clock instead of9:00, and we're arranging transportation through Mike Bosi to get out therc. And does anybody know if they're not going to make it to the January 31st meeting? (No response.) CHAIRMAN STRAIN: We'll still have a quorum. And that will probably be a lengthy meeting. The Immokalee Master Plan is a lengthy document, so it may take some time to get thrcugh. COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Could I can ask a question? If you make arrangements for hansportation, I assume they're going to leave from here and drive to lmmokalee? MR. BOSI: The way that we've done it in the past is we ve had - this would be the central location towards where we've met. We're securing a van for all the Planning Commission memben who would like transportation out to Immokalee, don't want to drive, you know, their personal vehicle. We've coordinated the plans to leave from here. I believe the last time we did it, I think we actually picked one person up on the way, but the most efficient way and the most easy way is just come down here, and then the van - COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Because I was going to ask, if you're driving past my house, I'm just going to drive to a parking lot somewhere. But, yeah, I can come down here. MR. KLATZKOW: No. You could also -- we could also have, like, a parking lot designated that's on the route that you can park your car and we can pick you up. MR. BOSI: Most certainly, Stan, if you want to further email me, we can coordinate. Any one of the Planning Commission members can email me if you think there's - I mean, the most efficient route out to Immokalee will be - from this location will be up to Immokalee Road and then out that way. There's a number ofdifferent shopping centers along the way. We wouldjust have to know which - COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: You drive right past my suMivision. MR. BOSI: - how many offsites - yeah. We won't be going into your subdivision, Stan. MR. KLATZKOW: We need the gate code for that. COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: I can give you the county gate code. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Ned, you have something you want to add? COMMISSIONER FRYER: Yes, I do, Mr. Chair. I'm curious to know - and it looks like it didnt tum out to be a big problern this moming so thafs good, and maybe it's run efficiently. But my question is, when a matter is continud particularly one where there are lots and lots ofpotential speakers from the public, how is word gotten out to t}rem? MR. BOSI: We provide a public notice. We also -- any conespondence that we've received in terms ofsupport or objection to the petition, those emails - those email addresses are all cc'ed within the notification that the item's being continued. As we provided that notification to the Planning Commission yesterday, the same notification was provided to any interested party that provided an email or had provided correspondence. Other than tha! there is a limitation in terms ofwhat we can do. COMMISSIONER FRYER: So when people, for instance - that's good. But when people sign in at a NIM, they don't give their email address, I guess; do they? MR. BOSI: Traditionally, no. COMMISSIONER FRYER: All right. Thank you. Page 4 of 19 December 6, 2018 COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Could I ask something? CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Go ahead. COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Just offtopic. When you guys get letters fiom citizens, they - inside the letter sometimes nms the whole spectrum from fact to not exactly fact. Do you guys read them and ever look at them and say, you know, this is just wrong I shouldn't send this forward to the commissioners or - MR. BOSI: We read them. COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: - do you leave it up to us to - CHAIRMAN STRAIN: We can't - MR. BOSI: It's not our - we send all corrcspondence that we receivg whether the opinions or the information that's provided are factually base{ or opinion based. We don't make the evaluation. We send everything that we receive from the public to the advisory boards, and the boards - and then you get to sort through the information as to where you deem important to the matter. COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Some ofthis stuffis just so far ou! you know, Ijust thought it would be easier for one person to look at it rafter than seven buq okay, whatever. MR. KLATZKOW: Commissioner Fryer has a good point. Why not ask for the emails at these NIMs? I mean, I hate when we get down here, we have a bunch ofpeople here waiting and then the applicant jusl you know, says we'r€ continuing this thing. These poor people have come down here for nothing. Just give them the opion of, ifyou want to be contacted about, you know, future dates, please give us the email. MR BOSI: We can continue -- we can start - MR. KLATZKOW: It's a very good suggestion, sir. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. Thar takes us to approval of the minutes. We were electronically provided with the November I st meeting minutes. Anybody have any changes or corrections? Karen? COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Yes. On Page 28 where it says "Commissioner Homialq" I think that was yor! Commissioner Shain, that said this, or maybe Heidi or maybe Jeff. I'm not sure. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: I don't rernember either. It wasn't you. COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: No, it wasn't me. CHAIRMAN STRAN: Okay. COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: I thought it was Heidi, but then I'm thinking maybe ifs you. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Could be. COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: But it wasn't me. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: You know how that court rcporter is. COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: I know. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: There's not much difference. You and I look so much alike. COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Well, the hair. l,ooks like you have long hair. CIIAIRMAN STRAIN: Yeah, that could be. Anything else? COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: And on Page 36 where the first - where it says Commissioner Homia( it says "Karen." Instead of "Karen" it should say'les" instead of me saying my own name. And that's it. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. Subject to those two conections, is there anything else? COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Motion to appnrve. COMMISSIONER FRYER: Second. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Made by Karen, second by Ned. Discussion? (No response.) CHAIRMAN STRAIN: All in favor, signifr by saying aye. COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Aye. COMMSSIONER FRY: (Abstains.) COMMISSIONER FRYER: Aye. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Aye. Page 5 of 19 December 6, 201 8 COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Aye. COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: Aye. CHATRMAN STRAIN: Anybody opposed? (No response.) CHAIRMAN STRAIN: The motion carries 5-0. You're abstaining because you werent here. COMMISSIONER FRY: I'm abstaining yes. I was not here. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. That takes us to BCC report and recaps. MR. BOSI: The Board of County Commissioners did not meet since the last time that the Planning Commission met, so there's nothing to provide a rccap on. CTIAIRMAN STRAIN: Thank you. And then Chairman's report, and it is kind of a followup to the points that Karenjust brought out on $e minutes and transcribing those. I want everybody to know our court rcporter has a brand new fancy machine, and the key stokes are shorter on i! so she can ty,pe a lot faster. So all these times that lve been chastised for talking fast, not a problem, so - and, thank yoq Terri, for the trea8 this moming. COMMISSIONER FRYER: I understand she also has the capacity to record two people speaking at once. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Yes, that's - COMMISSIONER FRYER: So we're encouraged to do that. COMMISSIONER FRY: So, Terri, I have to ask you are you actually recording every word that is said on that machine? Live? That's very impressive. MR. KLATZKOW: She says she does. CI{AIRMAN STRAN: Of coursg you might be StarL so... COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Didnt she ga an award? CI{AIRMAN STRAIN: I'm getting a glare now. lrt's go on. That's all for chairman's report. Consent agenda: We have nothing. *+*And that takes us to the only remaining public hearing that would be 9A4, and this one is for us sitting as the EAC. It's PL20180002557CPSP-2018-6. I believe also it would be for us as the Planning Commission, too, even though I didn't see that noted in there. So with that in mind, all those wishing to testiry on behalf of this item, please rise to be swom in by the court r€porter. (The speakers were duly swom and indicated in the afftrmative.) CHAIRMAN STRAIN: And, Scott, this is legislative, so I don't think we need disclosures, or do we? MR. STONE: No. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. This is the water supply plan, potable water supply suklement to be - for the Public Facilities Element and, Sue, I'll tum it over to you. MS. FAULKNER: Great. Good moming. I'm Sue Faulkner, and Im a comprehensive plarmer in the Zoning Division. And Ijust wanted to note that I'm going to r€ad part ofwhat I wanted to make sure I said so that I don't forget any ofthe important information that I want to rclay to you. You have before you a Grouth Management Plan amendment. This is probably the simplest Growth Management Plan amendment you will ever see. It is to change just two words in Policy I .7, and that is the entire amendment. lt is to change a date that references the water plan for - the past water plan was October of20l3 - to the new plan that will be November 2019, but I wanted to kind ofgo through some ofthe facts that support why we need to do this if it's okay with you. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Certainly. MS.FAULKNER: Okay. CI{AIRMAN STRAIN: Now, Sue, by the way, you provided the new plan to us in the packet. MS. FAULKNER: Yes. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: My assumption was that we would have an opportunity to question that Page 6 of 19 December 6, 2018 new plan as well. MS. FAULKNER: Thafs righ! that's right. But as far as the amendment itself goes, we are amending in the Growth Management Plan the reference to that plan and, ofcourse, we'll entertain any and all comments that are made about the plan and make adjustments to it as needed, so thank you. In December of 20 I 7, the governing board of the South Florida Water Managernent District approved the 2017 [nwer West Coast Water Supply Plan uflate. Under the Florida Statutes, Collier County, which lies in that water disaict, is rcquired to update their plan to be consistent with the overall district plan, and it has to be consistent, and tha! is why we're doing the amendment. As for the proposed sub-elernent ofthe Growth Management Plan, I already mentioned that it's a reference to the water plan that you have before you. It wont be in the actual document itselt but it will be part ofwhat we refer to, so it is incorporaled into the Growth Management Plan by reference, and that is that simple text change that sjust going to change that date for you. So we go tlrough a lot ofdifferent steps usually when we follow the procedure. And I'm just going to run down them, because I know you have a new member, Mr. Fry, and I thought it might be helpful to just sort of let you know what we do and how we do it. COMMISSIONER FRY: I appreciate thal. MS. FAULKNER: You're welcome. The first step is that you consider rccommending to fte Board of County Commissioners that they approve the amendment of the transmittal ofthis plarL and that's step No. I . The next thing we re going to be doing is taking your recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners on January 8th, and they hopefully will approve tha! and it will be transmitted to the Departrnent of Economic Opportrmity. Then, once the DEO, as we like to call them - I'm going to try to keep acronyms to a real small tiny bit - anyway, they will review the plan and the amendmenq and they will offer comments, and then we will react and revise as needed with the comments that they send back. They have 30 days to submit comments after receipt. So then after that happens, the amendment will be brought back to you again. This goes around twice. And so you will see the final documents that are being proposed to be adopted into our Gro*th Management Plan as refer€nced and make sul€ that you are in agreement and asked to approve that for that reason, and then it goes back to the BCC one more time. You should be seeing that on March 2lst, and the BCC hopefully will be seeing it again on April 23rd. And at that point we will send it back to the DEO one more time to say that the Board of County Commissioners has approved that, and they will respond within 30 days, and that's the time period for waiting. And once that is done, if drere are no firther comments, then it is adopted into the GMP. So that s the short and the gist ofthat. Staff is recommending that you recommend the BCC approve the amendment for transmittal - that's what we call that - to the DEO. And now I'd like to introduce Eric Fey - Fey, sorry, Fey - sorry about that - Fey. He's the senior project manager ofCollier County Public Utilities Engineering and Pmject Managonor! and he ll answer any questions you might have about the actual water plan. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Thank you, Sue. MS. FAULKNER: You're welcome. MR. FEY: Good moming Commissioners. It's a pleasure to be with you. Before I continue what Sue said, I was told that there are some memben ofthe public in the hall asking about the continuances, so we ctm get to that. I just wanted to make you aware ofthat. I want to intoduce our project team: Paul Mattausch, our planning manager, has taken the lead mle in preparation ofthis water supplies facilities plan worlq or work plan u$ate; Jason Sciandra is our consultant fiom CDM Smith. He's here to answer any technical questions; and I just also wanted to thank Sue Faulkner for her continued support through this effort. She's been geat. So thank you, Sue. MS. FAULKNER: Sorry about the pronrmciation. MR. FEY: One other thing I should mention is we did provide a courtesy copy of this draft plan in Page ? of 19 December 6, 2018 front of you to the South Florida Water Management District- They have promised a response within the next couple weeks, and ifthey have any comments, those will also come before the Board on January Sth. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. Does anybody have any questions ofEric? Go ahea4 Ned. COMMISSIONER FRYER: I just have a couple. One, I had mostly intended to offer as evidence that I had read this material. On Page 890 ofthe packet rcference to the official signatures on the ordinance, that the late Mr. Brock's name is on there, and it should be changed to Ms. Kinzel. And then the substantive question I have, on Page 1023 there's referenc€ to the termination ofan agreement with Marco Island along with notice of intent to sell impact fees previously paid to the county. Now, first ofall, Id like to have it explained to me in a little bit more detail about the relationship or the arrangement that had existed with Marco Island and then an explanation or confirmation that my understanding is that you can't sell a fee, but I assume you mean sell the benefrts ofthe fee. MR. KLATZKOW: Let me answer that one, all right. Marco Island reserved a certain number of gallons when they wanted to get into the service by the county. They were required to pay an impact fee at that time so that we could take that money and increase the capacity ofthe system. Now they want out of the system. They wanted to be reimbursed for those impact fees. It's my opinion they're not legally entitled to it, and I have presented that opinion to our public utilities people. At the end ofthe day, however, ifs a political decision with the Board ofCounty Commissioners whether or not they, out ofan interest ofequity, want to do it. That will be up to them if and when the question ever comes to them. COMMISSIONER FRYER: Thank you. I understand. lt sounds like it doesn't have an impact on how we would vote on this. MR.KLATZKOW: No. COMMISSIONER FRYER: Thank you. COMMISSIONER FRY: Mr. Chairman, may I just ask for a clarification. We are here -- our role today is to approve the amendment which references the plan, not the plan itself, or are we actually reviewing the plan and approving the plan along with that? CHAIRMAN STRAIN: If anything comes to this board, my position's always been I review what you provide, but I also review anything relative to that whether it's in the packet or not. And so they did attach a plan to the packet. Ifthey think they're going to attach something that I would put my recommendation on to the Boad they'r€ not going to get away with me not r€viewing it. So I think I would always review tha! but that's your call. I mean, we're here strictly to look at the Growth Management Plan language, but the supporting document for thag ifthere's flaws with that I think it would behoove everybody to know ifthere are any, and we should - and that's why it's given to us, I would assume, is to read it and provide the best response we possibly can. COMMISSIONER FRY: Will we be hearing testimony from any of tie other team members that are here wift you today? CHAIRMAN STRAIN: If there's questions. COMMISSIONER FRY: If there's questions, okay. MR. KLATZKOW: If there's questions and they do not have anybody here to answer those questions, we can continue this item. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Right. And I don't know if thar's - MR. KLATZKOW: I mean, the Chair's absolutely correct on this one. You're not pumpkins here just to nod your heads or bobble - I guess bobblehead dolls would be the better analory. You're here to give the Board ofCounty Commissioners your best recommendation, and prior to that is to rcview the materials. We do that in our legal offices. I mean, we just dont sign offfor form and legality. You know, that's dle lazy thing to do. You know, we take a look at it, and if we see something that we think is in error or, frankly, is dumb, you let staff know, look, you know, you're allowed to take something dumb to the Board, but let us know - just be aware we think it's dumb. That's all. The whole idea here is to get a betler work prroduct. Page 8 of 19 December 6, 201E COMMISSIONER FRY: With that in mind - and I may expose myself as a new member today with a couple ofthese questions, but I ask for your patience. I noticedjust a couple ofthings. One is a new waler teatnent plan that is slated to go online in 2025 or so. Looks like it's out north oflmmokalee, way out there. So the first question is, why was that location chosen so far away from where the population growth is .. a lot of it is expected to be, and then the second question is, I notice that there is an anticipated deficit for Ave Maria at the end ofthis plan, and I didn't nofice in the plan - I may have overlooked it - a plan to handle that defici! to make up for that deficit. Is that solution in the plarq or is the deficit a concem? I also notice that our surpluses are shrinking over the next l0 years in the other - in the other areas. So Ijust wanted to kind ofty to understand the rationale and the process that was taken and ifthere are concems that are not addressed in the plan. MR. FEY: I'll actually start with your second question in Ave Maria- They were one of two utilities in lower west coast planning area that were identified by the district as requiring water supply projects. So the projects you see listed in here are what we intend to do over the next l0 yeam to meet our customer needs, provide operational reliability and flexibility and get out ahead ofgrowth. The Ave Maria utility company is required to address their deficit. One ofthe projects identified in the lower West Coast Water Supply Plan was a rwo-and-a-half MGD RO plant now. I'd have to call Jason Sciandra up here to explain ifthere's still a deficit after that plant expansion, but that was addressed in the lnwer West Coast Water Supply Plaq that they needed to do that. And as far as the Immokalee plan, I assume you're referencing the Northeast Regional Wa&r Treatment Plant within the Collier County Water/Sewer Districg is that correcfl COMMISSIONER FRY: Yes. MR. FEY: Okay. That facility is centrally locared in within what we call our northeast service area, and there are four large developments tlat are actively pursuing zoning. Well, three ofthem are actively pursuing mning, one of which is at least at a pre-application meeting. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: There's four of thern: Hogan Island, Hyde Park, Rural Iands West, and Immokalee Rural Village. MR. FEY: Correct. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: So there's four cur€ntly in the zoning pn:cess right now on top of Ave Maria. MR. FEY: Okay. Has Hogan Island Village submitted? CHAIRMAN STRAIN: They came in for a preapp. MR. FEY: Yes, they came - right, that's correct. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: You have it on your map. You have - I mean, ifs on your Page 7. MR. FEY: Right. No, I mentioned there were four and three had come in with a zoning action. Hogan lsland has done a pre-app but hasnt submified a petition yet. So these developmen8 are coming online in the near term, and the northeast utility facility is centrally located to serve those. COMMISSIONER FRY: Thank you. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: And I think the northeast utility is actually north of - it's on the north part of Orangetee. COMMISSIONERFRY: Right CHAIRMAN STRAN: The Immokalee has its own utility service. Anybody else have any other questions? Joe? COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: The only question I have, the - I dont see anything in the plan, but I have to assume, then, that there's no changes to the wellfield protection areas as identifred in the Comp Plan? MR. FEY: Under this action, no. I know that Pollution Control is working on an udate of that ordinance separate to this work plan. COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: Okay. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Arytody else? (No response.) CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Eric, on Page 7 of your r€port, which is Page 9 of our electronic versiorl Page 9 of 19 December 6, 201 8 you have a map, and it says - and it's titled "The Collier County Water/Sewer District Current and Future Potable Water Service Areas (2018 AUIR)." Thafs not the map that was in the 201E AUIR. So I was wondering maybe you want to relabel that, or maybe you want to bring the AUIR map into that so they are what they are kind of intended - insinuated to be. COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: Mark? MR. FEY: Yes, given - COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: What page are you on? CI{AIRMAN STRAIN: I'm on Page 9 - on Page 7 of the water plan; Page 9 of the electronic section. You guys have a different electronic section because some ofthe stuff- it's too complicated to get into today. COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: I'm just - I'm looking ar 4-7, and ifs just a table. CI{AIRMAN STRAN: Yeah - no. This is a - I have no idea where you're at. COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: I'm on the plan that was submitted and that's what I'm trying to figure out. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: This is a common occurenc€. lm on Page 7 of the actual plan that was submitted. And there it is on the overhead, Joe, so that will help. The AUIR that was provided to this panel to resd - to utilize in the AUIR review a few months ago for 20'lE does not have the same areas in blue that you have on here. It does not have the same areas in gray that arr on the AUIR plan. And I'm looking ar the differences, and I'm wondering why we wouldn't just use the same plan that was in the AUIR since you seem to allude to the fact that it is. So is that something that you'd be willing to conect or do you think it needs to be cor€cted? MR. FEY: Absolutely. We'll look into that. The - I guess the figure in front of you - well, we'll - just to keep it shor! we will use the AUIR figure. CI{AIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. And if there's some discrtpancy that you dont use i! just let me know. I'm just curious as to why it wasn't use4 but that's fine. MR. FEY: This figure - let me get into it a little bit. This figure is kind of a merger of the two figures that were in the 2018 AUIR. At the time we pncduced the AUI& it was still a jurisdictional boundary, as we called it. The Board didn't take action on expanding the district until September I I th with that resolution to expand out to ttrejurisdictional boundary. So this exhibit is basically a merger ofthe two exhibits thal were included in the AUIR. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Well, maybe just make that reference in the header, because when I looked at it the first thing I did was went back and looked at the 2018 ALIIR to make sure the maps were the same, and I found that they werent. MR. FEY: And I'll take a look at the blue areas, too, to see. I don't believe we have any discrepancies - or I'll get with you subsequent to this meeting Marh and take a look at what you're seeing and we'll make sure it's correct. CHAIRMAN STRAN: Okay. MR. STONE: Mr. Chair? CHAIRMAN STRAIN: YES. MR. STONE: I'm not sure if Commissioner Schmitt has found it but Im not able to find that in my plan. COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: I was looking at - there's the attachment, and then there's the plan. I got it; ifs on Page 7 ofthe plan. MR.STONE: Okay. COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: I found it, yeah. I was looking at the consultanfs attachment. Thafs what I thought we were dealing with. Thanks. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: On Page ES2 of that plan, which is Page 25 of the plan, you talk about fie facilities, and you mentioned the NERWTP Phase l, and you go into a design tneatnent capacity. Why did you switch to design treatment capacity in comparison to what you use in the AUIR? Because you don't reference design treatrnent capacity in the AUIR. Page 10 of 19 December 6, 2018 And you've got - and, by the way, the numbers that you used on subsequent - the page after tha! which is ES3 - and you're talking about your service population, your required teatnent capacity, your available facilities capacity, your fatalities surplus deficit, your amount permitted MGBD annual average and your permitted surplus. Those dont correspond with the 2018 AUIR. And I cant figure out why you would not want to use the same numbers that you prEsented in the AUIR- For example, under 20 I E, the required heatment capacity is a liftle off in the AUIR" but then you get into the facilities capacity surplus. I dont know what number that is in the AUIR because you don't call it out the sarne way. And then the service area population,241,422, Wel| tlrc population you're using in the AUIR is 186,362 for dre same year. And if you're going to use a higher population, the numbers that fall below that in the same column, theq ought to be conespondingly higher ifthe AUIR is conect in the treatrnent - in the population and treartrnent needed for that population. So you're going up in the population usd and you went down in tle trreatment capacity needed. It's not making sense. Again, why wouldn't you havejust stuck to the AUIR since that was already vetted and approved by this - by the Board ofCounty Commissioners? MR- FEY: This document has been develo@ over the last several months, so those efforts were ongoing simultaneously and, acknowledging the inconsistency, the population difference is due to peak-season population being used in this document as opposed to permanent population. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Right. So if you're going to use a higher peak season, wouldnt your multiplier have created a higher demand in other numbers? MR. FEY: Well, our multiplier in the AUIR was a 1.35, I thinh because we're doing max day for the - we want our plants to be able to handle the max three{ay demand. So the peaking factor for max three{ay is higher than the peak-season factor. So our consumpive-use permits are based on max month, which is why we're using peak-season population. That's essentially giving us our maximum month. I believe thafs consistent with the lower West Coast Water Supply Plan that they used peak-season population; is that correcfl MR. MATTAUSCH: Correct. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Well, I'm just - if this is supposed to be based on our AUIR, why don't you just use the same terminolory and come up witl the same numbers that the Board has approved for the AUIR for that year? I'm just thinking it would be natural to do it that way. I also went back and though! well, maybe there is a timing factor fiom when this was started and completed. And I looked at the 2017 AUI& same table. You've got the same problem with that one. So neither one of the AUIRs march up to these numbers, and I'm - it doesn't - I dont know why you wouldn't want tq then you have all the documents within the govemment consistent, and the references to the way you refer to these numbers changes between the AUIR and dris document. And, agairq to eack this, I don't know how the Board would know, theq ifyour departrnent's meeting what was approved in the AUIR becarse they're all different references. I mean, I'm just - ifyou do these contracts in tre firture, maybe the AUIR then becomes part and parcel to the way the plan is designated and called out. That way everybody can be on the same page when they read it. MR. FEY: Mr. Chairman, we will work to achieve consisturcy and language and provide some explanation as to why the population numbers differ between them. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Well, I undentand your explanation now. I mean, it's for season. The problem is, ifyour population numbers are thar significantly different, which is about 50-, 60,000 people, then it would seem that the capacity needs might be different, too. And if they arpnt or if they needed to be differenL then the AUIR might be in error. So that's my reading of it and my undostanding of it, and ifyou could take a look at ig that would be helptul. I had questions about the bulk supply, but I think Ned's already questioned that, and I'm fine with that explanation. You have a map that is on Page 34 ofthe plan. lt's got a lot ofyellow and some blue up by Page 11 of 19 December 6, 2018 Immokalee, and then you've got the City ofNaples, and you've got Marco Island crosshatched. There's no - here it is, Figure 2-1, Collier County 10-year waf,er supply facilities work plan. And the only question I've got there is, in the Marco Shores area where the issue ofthe bulk service is being discussd it's shown as a noncolor, and I'm wondering why. MR. FEY: Well, I think it - CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Isn't it Marco lsland, or isnt that - I mean, who services - does anybody service that area? Because it's like - the rest of ifs like the national preserve is. MR. FEY: We presently serve that area through the bulk service agreement. There's a master meter at Collier Boulevard that feeds that development. But the -- as Commissioner Fryer brought up, the Marco Island Utilities is building a - or extending a water main to that development or that PtlD and building a pump station to send wastewater back. So they're removing themselves ftom our service area. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: So they're putting themselves in that service area. It's going to be their service area? Then shouldn't it be noted so this map? Because ifs a l0-year water supply. So they'll have it done within l0 yean, wouldn't they? MR. FEY: That's correct. I think we're talking a matter of months here. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Yeah. So that's what I mean. So I think that should be allocated as City of Marco. And then on your potable water main and IQ wBter mafu\ Figure 2-2, you don't show any mains going into that area. And that may be correct if it's changing, but are there any mains going in the area since you have a bulk service agreement there? MR. FEY: Not Collier County Water/Sewer District mains. Like I sai4 there is a meter at the Mainsail Drive that feeds that development, and all intemal utility infrastructure is owned and maintained already by Marco Island Utilities. So we only supply waler at the meter, and Marco Island Utilities presently is maintaining that syslem. CHAIRMAN STRAN: Okay. I just wanted to undeNtand it. On your Page 3-1, which is cormgwide projections, you're using peak-season population estimates. And I undersand what that is, but it isn't consistent with the AUIR. And, again, it's another item that maybe you may want to make sonsistent with the AUIR. [f you're going to use nonpeak, then why don't we just stay consistenf Because then your numbers follow appropriately. Thafs just a suggestion. Your demand per capita, I notice that Ave Maria is - well, Immokalee is using 75, Ave Mariq I think, is using 90, and we're at 150. Why do we have such a higher demand per capita? I mean, Ave Maria is a brand new town. They've - what causes us to have so much more? Immokalee is an older town, and they've got even less than - they've got half of what we've got. So why is our demand so high? MR. FEY: The per-capita use rate is calculated based on total finished water divided by the permanent population. So that includes your commercial and industrial uses, your institutional uses. And so I think that's part but not the pr€dominant Actor in the difference in the per-capita use rate. I think the biggest issue is thal we have a lot ofpotable water irrigation customers, and Ave Mari4 I believe, is exclusively altemative water supply, so inigation - CHAIRMAN STRAN: What about Immokalee? They probably don't have a lot of potable water being used for inigation. MR. FEY: They are an older system, but I - I don't know if Jason knows much about that district. We've been theorizing on what's causing the discrepancy between service areas. But I will mention that our per-capita use rate, it has been going down over the years. It used to be upwards of 200, and so ifs now down hovering around 140. Our level-of-service standard is 150. But it has come down significantly. But ther€ are -- tlere are some noticeable diferences in per-capita use rates between the urban area and as you go out into the rural area. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Do you know what the City ofNaples is? MR. FEY: I don't know it offhand. Anybody? Ifs in the - I can get that information for you. I have the t ower West Coast Water Supply Plan, and that would be in there' CHAIRMAN STRAIN: It would just be an interesting comparison, because they do a lot of irrigation water, I would assume. They have big lawns' Page 12 of 19 December 6, 2018 COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Mark? CHAIRMAN STRAIN: YES. COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Eric, your per-capita use rates are based offwhat you actually see in the field? MR. FEY: Correct. COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: What do the textbooks say is tlpical for a town of our size? MR. FEY: I believe 150 is qpical. COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Okay. And those textbook don't usually include irrigation. I remember 120 being typical, bu! you know, I'm a lot older than you. MR. FEY: I believe it's .- COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: We used a lot more water back then. MR. FEY: Is it - FDEP, I think, suggess a level-of-service standard of 150 for an area of our size and 100 for wastewater. I dont know the answer to your question as far as is irrigation factored into that. I believe it is but - obviously, we're - under our cunent water-supply stratery, we're, you know, not extending potable water irrigation service to new development. We're encouraging people to use altemative sources. So we'll continue to see that per-capita use rate either hold steady or decline over time. CHAIRMAN STRAN: Eric, on Page 5-2 of your report which is Page 65 electronically, you have a statemenl second paragraph; it says, "The data indicate that despite extended drought conditions and increased pumping fiom the LT aquifer, water levels and key-indicator wells are remaining steady and, in some cases, increasing," and thal's good news. That's the same statement, though, you've had in repeated reports. So the data - we are collecting yearly data? How often is the data reviewed? It hasn't -- we never seem to be using more water affecting the aquifers when -- and it seems, intuitively, that we've -- we should be. I'm not wanting to see it go down, but I just question that to make sure it's right. MR. FEY: I'm going to let Jason Sciandra answer that. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. MR. SCIANDRA: Jason Sciandra with CDM Smith. I'm a principal environmental engineer with the firm. That data's looked at on a monthly basis. It has to be reported to the Water Management District, water levels and monitor wells as well as chlorides, which are a measurement of salinity in the wells, and production fiom each well. So that's reported monthly to the Water Management District, and it's tracked monthly. And we'rc about to start a permit r€newal process with the Water Management District, and we'll be repr€senting that data looking at the last five years as well as going back probably to 2000just looking at those trends over time. But we ar€ seeing improvements in the aquifer over time, and it's probably largely due to just shifts in the use ofthat water. Less agricultural demand. More, you know, residential. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: And I was going to ask you thaq but that's good news. A lot of people have questioned our water supply after the troubles that have occurred on the west coast, and to see this kind ofan acknowledgrnen! thafs good news for the people of Collier County, so... MR. SCIANDRA: It is. I think it goes to the long-term plans of the county. We've been a consultant to the county, I thinlq for 30 years. I've been dovm here for almost 15. Butjust to see the change, the shift the county made early on to go into altemalive supplies, and then to be reaping the benefit o{ hey, we took the pressure offthe freshwater system, but now there's more water available. You know, let's take advantage ofthe fact that that's lower cost to treat and, you know, is available. And to answer Mr. Fry's question from earlier, you had asked about the deficiencies. So just to clariff, the deficiencies that we're illustrating here are not deficiencies in the sense that they don't have a plan for the water. It's just not permitted at this time. COMMISSIONERFRY: Ah. MR. SCIANDRA: So fiom - Ave Maria is a good example. Their planl I think it's scheduled for mid 2020s, you know, to be constmcted. When they go to - before they go to construct that plan! a year or two before that, that's when they'll pursue that permit. Theyre not going to pursue that permit l0 years out. Page 13 of 19 December 6' 2018 They're going to pursue it closer to when they're going to need the water. So that's why that deficit's showing. I think there's a comment in the text that says that you know, as they approach that, they'll have to go get a permit, you know, for it. And then similarly with Collier County, you see the surplus and water supply permit going down over time. That's because we have this permit that has a certain allocation in ig and the plan is we're going to build up to that point so tley can use thal water. And then as new facilities come online, for example, the Northeast facility will have its own allocation associated with it that will be pursued when they're in the process ofdoing the design. COMMISSIONER FRY: Thank you. CI{AIRMAN STRAIN: Thank you. MR. SCIANDRA: You're welcome. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Appreciate it. Eric, on Page 5-7, Table 5-3, Page 70 ofthe electronic version, there's a reference to the new Northeast plant. Actually, two. And it says, the year online,2oZl. Design capacity ofthe first Phase 1, 1.25, and it's listed as altemative brackish, and then undemeath that it says Phase I , saying ion exch ange 2027 . The capaciry for design is 3.75. And it's now under - it says traditional, fresh. Does that mean you're building both, or you're only building one or the other? MR. FEY: We're building both. It's just a different aquifer, and we're noting the two supplies separately - CHAIRMAN STRAN: Okay. MR. FEY: - for the district. CIIAIRMAN STRAIN: Now, 2027 is beyond the date that we're going to be seeing any of the four new communities that are being planned out their need. I would expect that Rural lands West is close, ifnot eminent, to being reviewed publically, and when it gets built and permitted, you're looking probably just a couple years down the road for the fint product to come out there. Then the other ones could even go quicker. The one for Neal Communities, Hyde Park, that's a small project comparatively. And they move pr€tty fast. So, I mean, it's -- that may come up even sooner. If this plant's not coming online till 2027 what's the -- how's - how are they going to manage their water supplies? MR. FEY: We have a regional water system, and since taking over Orangetree Utility company, we have made interconnections that -- now we are serving them from the regional system. And so we have plenty ofcapacity within our existing plants in the regional system to serve the initial phases. But the intent is to provide this Northeast Regional Water Treatment Plant as those developments get larger. CIIAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. Well, that's good news. I didn't know how that was set up, and that makes it clear. Thank you. COMMISSIONER FRY: Mr. Chairman? CIIAIRMAN STRAIN: Yes, sir. COMMISSIONER FRY: Are you saying that the additional population from those developments is already factored into the population estimates that are in these tables as they grow over time? So those people are already accounted for in the plan because the population successfirlly goes up in each of the - you know, each ofthe years that you quote in the plan? Does that - so that anticipates already the grouth ofthese developments as well as others in the future? MR. FEY: That is correct. COMMISSIONER FRY: Okay. MR. FEY: And I do have an answer for you, Mr. Chair, on the - per-capita use rate for the City of Naples is quite a bit higher than ours. It's 207. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. Well, that's good. That's good to know. Thank you. The question that Karljust asked is interesting, because the original proposals for rural lands stewardship area suggested a maximum - alluded to a maximum buildout of l6- to 19,000 acres, and by 2025 the original estimate was that there be about 6,000 acres possibly developed, 6,035, something like that. And the program out ther€ seems to be moving faster than we thoughl and there's potentially more acreage to Page L4 of 19 December 6, 2018 be developed than we thought. And the only one permitted is Ave Maria, and the only one coming through the system with probably a clear delineation ofhow it's going to build out is Rural l,ands West. So how would you have factored in the Immokalee Rural Village, which is the one north of Orangetree in the MMUD, and how would you have factored in the Neal Communities project of the 645 acres t}at's Hyde Park and, potentially, how would you have factored in the population for Hogan Island? So you've got three ofthem that probably didn't exist when some ofthese population numbers you're using were contrived. So how did you know that the population would be increasing with those numbers, permanent population, lefs say? I mean, how did you - how did you - how did Karl's question get answered that waf MR. FEY: Wele been tracking those developments for a number of years, and we've maintained contact with the developers and have looked at thek projections. But for the AUIR this year, we added those populations based on preliminary data out ofthe Collier lnteractive Growth Model. So that model is predicting the growth in those areas. And so we took the numbers from that to model and added them to our estimates and projections fiom Comp Plaming. And so even though the numbers don't match because ofthe peaking factor difference, the population basis for this plan is the same as that for the AUI& and so we included those developments based on the Collier Interactive Growth Model. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. And that model, you believe, predicted all these towns that we're just now seeing submittals for. And that's interesting. And you also believe they've used the right persons per household calculation and the right density for the existing town out there that they've used as an example. Because in some cases, there's going to be some flexibility in those numbers, and I'm not sure that maybe weVe looked at those numbers as closely as we now have boots on the gnound in regards to what's been submitted, so... MR FEY: I will say that the interactive gowth model numbers were less than the sum of the projections fiom the developers. So as far as design goes, we're looking at the worst c€se, which is the developels projections. But for the AUI& the Collier Interactive Growth Model is basically the best guest that we have. So I wouldn't go as far as to endorse that we believe it to be corr€ct. lt's just the best information we have. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: And I wouldn't go that far either, so drank you. Do you want to - you've got something caught in your throat? MR. BOSI: No. I was just - just provide a commentary upon modeling. Exact science is not what we try to do. We try to provide ranges ofpopulations, and we react to lhose ranges. CHAIRMAN STRAN: And the more conservative number to a lower standard meals the less calculations needed to make sure concunency is in place. So what's driving the train? MR. KLATZ(OW: I mearq the real issue is the size of the pipes that we're planning. Will they handle more people than are pmjected? Because the last thing you want to do, once you've built a quarter-billiondollar system - and that's what you're talking about here - is find out that, oh, my God, we didn't put the right size pipes in. At the end ofthe day, as long as we put the right size pipes in, if you get more people than projected, youjust sink a few new wells. That's not going to be an issue. It's planning the acfiEl distribution network for that water and wastewater. That's really the serious issue. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: I agree. That's why maybe we should be more conservative on tle plus side so we - but regardless. MR. FEY: Well we will continue to look, on an annual basis via the AUI& at growth pattems. I mean, I know Comp Planning does their projections every year, and BEBR is constantly revising their projections. So, you know, with a longterm outlook, we'll continue to refine those numbers. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Did you - I notice under tle water-capacity analysis for AMUC - it's on Page G3 ofthe model and Page M elecnonically. And I took it in year, for example, 2023, service area population for the AMUC, 9065. That's over a five-year period. It comes out to about 264 units for year. Is that their cunent - is dnt what tlrcyre building out there per year, what they,re actually putting online? Do Page X,5 of 19 December 6, 2018 we know what their sales volume is, or is this numbers fiom them, and you guys didn't put these numbers in? MR. FEY: These numben, I believe, are fiom the Lower West Coast Water Supply Plan. They also rely on BEBR projections, and they have their own methodolory. I believe they rely on the MPO to some extent to fuel their population projections. But corr€ct me if I'm wrong Mr. Sciandra, but I believe these numbers for Ave Maria are from the wat€r supply plan which the district put together. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: I mean - because if we asked Ave Maria, they could have probably given us pretty accurate numbers as to what their absorption rates are per year, but - okay. I mean, I rmderstand why you used it. MR. FEY: We can go ahead and request that information from them. We did coordinate with them on some ofthe plan projects, so..- CHAIRMAN STRAIN: When they came in for their SRA approval, they had a lot higher absorption rates than 264 per month, and that's fine if they can hit them. I just dont know what they're hitting out there. They're doing really well. The community's moving along rapidly. So I dont know what their rates are - what their absorption rates ar€ now. I was just curious how that compares. We get into your monthly meter readings, and in 2007 and 2006, prior to the really - to the recession areq we're having a lot of unaccounted for water loss, and then during the recessiorS right up through 20 1 6, it stayed pretty steady. 2017 it alrnost doubled. What do you - what do you attribute that to? It went up from - 2015 was4.0,2016 was 5.4, and20l7 was 9.3 perc€nt ofwater loss. That's a - we're getting quite a bit ofwater loss again. And I know you guys do a lot to address tha! but does anybody - do you have any idea whafs causing thatjump &om those prior years? MR. MATTAUSCH: Orangetr,ee. MR. FEY: Well, we did acquire Orangetee Utility company in 2017. That may have had a small factor. I don't know if it accounts for the entire increase, And I don't know what's - I don't have a good answer to youf questioq but we'd be happy to speak with our water division - CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Well, I know - MR. FEY: - director and - CTIAIRMAN STRAIN: - you're going to efforts to try to reduce it, and that's greaq but I dont know how - I thought maybe in order to reduce it you've got to know what's causing ig so I thought maybe you'd have an idea ofmaybe it's pipes that needed to be replaced that haven't been budgeted yet and they're getting to them or something like that but - okay. I just thought it was a pretty big jump. And I notice the flushing stations. In the next page you talk about flushing staiions, and that's to maintain your residual and your chlorine, stuff like that. Are those - do they take - they're part of the water loss, are they no! or are they metered? MR. FEY: Thar's a good poinq Mr. Chair. They would account for some water loss, but I believe most ofthose, ifnot all ofthem, are metered. So we do account for water loss, but the fact that they're metered, I believg it's still counted as lost because it's not reimbursed. So it's not something we're getting user fees for. Ifs an operational expense. So even though they are metered, it is a water loss. And we have been installing morc ofthose, which, with all the development, may account for a lot ofthat incr€ase. We do, per our design criteria, require water main looping, which is intended to avoid those dead ends that require automatic flushing devices. But the way development is done in Collier County, you know, we have a lot ofcul-de-sacs. And if they're within the thousand-foot limitation or they get a deviation - you know, we do end up with a lot of dead ends in these suMivisions. And so where possible we require looping, but it's not always possible. So we do have a lot of automatic flushing devices to maintain water quality. That could explain a lot ofthis rise. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. And that's the end of my questions, Eric. Thank you for your patienc€. MR. FEY: Thank you. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: If you do take a look at some of these issues - and IU just like to know if you're going to kind of think about going to the AUIR numbers and descriptions. And if you do convert to that, I'd like to know. Page 16 of 19 December 6,2018 MR. FEY: What we intend to do is to include the numben from the AUIR and show the conversion as to how we're coming up with the peak season. I think that detail is needed to avoid confirsion in the future and, certainly, by the time it gets to the Board we d like o addrcss that concem. CI{AIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. Thank you. Anybody else have any questions? (No rcsponse.) CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. Mike? MR BOSI: Just to provide a clarification for Commissioner Fry. We keep referring to an AUIR. Ifs an Annual Update and Inventory Report. The Planning Commission hears it every October. Ids our populalion projection over a five- and l0-year period with all the capital improvements related to transportation, public utilities, libraries, parks, all the new improvements that are being suggested to keep the levels of service up for those infi'asructure providers related to the population we expect. COMMISSIONER FRY: Thank you. CIIAIRMAN STRAIN: The tentative date for us to review the 2019 is October 3rd. MR. BOSI: Thank you, Chair. CI{AIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. With tha! is there a motion on behalf of both the Planning Commission and the EAC to recommend approval as noted with - for PI201E000255?CPSP-2018-6? COMMISSIONER FRYER: I'll make that motion. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Made by Ned. Seconded by? COMMISSIONER FRY: Second. COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: Second. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: By Karl. Then it's the Fry and Fryer team. Any discussions? (No response.) CHAIRMAN STRAN: All those in favor, signifr by saying aye. COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Aye. COMMISSIONER FRY: Aye. COMMISSIONERFRYER: Aye. CTIAIRMAN STRAN: Aye. COMMISSIONERHOMIAK: Aye. COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: Aye. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Anybody opposed? (No response.) CIIAIRMAN STRAIN: Motion carries 6-0. Thank you very mucll Eric. Appreciate your patience. MR. FEY: Thank you, Commissioners, and Flappy Holidays. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Thank you. COMMISSIONER FRYER: You, too. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: New business? Do we have any new business? (No response.) CI{AIRMAN STRAIN: None. Any old business? (No response.) CHAIRMAN STRAIN: None. ls there any member of the public here that would like to comment? (No response.) CHAIRMAN STRAIN: None. So before we adjourn, I wish to echo Eric's comments. Go ahead. COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: One question. The Immokalee Master Plan that we're going to be discussing ofcourse, after the first ofthe year, would you make sure we get that a little bit earlier than typically one week prior? I would believe it's aheady done or ids close to done. Ifs a lengthy documen! and it would be nice to get that at least a couple weeks prior. Thanks. MR. BOSI: Will do. Page 1? of 19 December 6, 201 8 COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: And when is the sea level rise issue going to come up? MR. BOSI: Im coordinating with Amy fu the availability oftheir consultant. And the last we had discussed is they're available for - the presentation is available for review for the Planning Commission members, but the Planning Commission wanted the full presentation as well, or tlere was some decision as to whether you wan&d to have that full presentation live orjust review. CI{AIRMAN STRAIN: Stan's mor€ intercsted in it than I am. COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: I just have some questions. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Does anybody - I don't think - I mean, I'd just as - I can get more out of - if you just send it out to us and review it ounelves, and we get back to you with questions, that might be a more productive use ofour time. COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: I watched {re presentation on - COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: I was there. COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: - video on the BCC. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: And no matter what we say, it's going to change next month or the month after anyway when somebody else comes up with another study. So - but I think the best way, ifthey send it out to everybody, and then those ofus that have questions, we can contact the staffmember involved. COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: It will do. I was there for the F€sentatiorL and that's why I have questions. But I can ask the questions in writing. Can I send the question - copies the other board members since it's not something we're going to vote on, the other commission members? MR. BOSI: As a static one-way communicatiorq you most certainly can provide those questions just asa-- COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Which means I get no feedback. That's good. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: You like it when you get no feedbaclq huh? COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Hey, I'm manied. Not a problem. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. Anybody else? (No response.) CHAIRMAN STRAIN: With drag Happy Holidays to everyHy, and thank you again for today, for your time. With that is there a motion to adjoum? COMMISSIONER FRYER: So moved. MS. FAULKNER: Wait. COMMISSIONER HOMIAK: Whoa. Sue wanted something. MR. BOSI: There was just a question whether you voted on the 10-year water supply plan. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: O[ we announced it. Good point Sue. We did armounce it but we - yeah, we did it. COMMISSIONER SCHMITT: We did vote. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Terri, did we vote on the water supply plan? We did finalize that with a vote, didn't we? COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: It was the EAC and the Planning Commission. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: That's what I thought. Yes, Sue, we did. You had me confirsed there for a momen! which isn't hard to do. MS. FAULKNER: I wasn't sure, because I was expecting two votes, so... CI{AIRMAN STRAN: We lumped them into one. COMMISSIONER FRYER: We combined it. CI{AIRMAN STRAIN: It's only tlree words. MR. BOSI: Two for one. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Two for one. With that, there's a motion to adjoum. Stan? COMMISSIONER CHRZANOWSKI: Second. CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Ned? COMMISSIONER FRYER: Third. Page 18 of 19 December 6, 2018 CHAIRMAN STRAIN: Okay. We're out of here. Thank you. I t +tt,la There being no firther business for the good ofthe Comty, the meeting was adjoumed by order of the Chair at l0:02 a.m. STRAIN, CHAIRMAN AT-TEST CRYSTALK. KINZEL, CLERK OF THE CIRCUIT COURT & COMPTROLLER These minutes approved by the Board o" t - .?- ll .* pr""^d y' or as conected TRANSCR]PT PREPARED ON BE}IALF OF U.S. LEGAL SUPPORT, INC., BY TERRI LEWIS, COURT REPORTERANDNOTARY PUBLIC. Page 19 of 19