CAC Minutes 09/08/2005 W
September 8, 2005
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE COLLIER
COUNTY COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND
FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL
PROTECTION (FDEP) WORKSHOP
Naples, Florida, September 8, 2005
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Collier County Coastal Advisory Committee in
and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met on this date at
9:00 a.m., in REGULAR SESSION in Building "F" of the Government Complex, East
Naples, Florida, with the following members present:
CHAIRMAN: Ron Pennington
John Arceri (Excused)
Gerald Camiener
Murray Hendel (Excused)
Heidi Kulpa
Ronald Minarcini (Excused)
Tony Pires
John Sorey, III
Paul Sullivan
ALSO PRESENT: Gary McAlpin - Coastal Projects Manager
Gail Hambright - Administrative Assistant
Robert Brantley, Coastal Engineering Administrator
Lanie Edwards - Permit Processor for Southwest Florida
Becky Roland - Beach Manager
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MEETING AGENDA & NOTICE
COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE (CAC)
WORKSHOP MEETING
WITH FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION (FDEP)
REPRESENTATIVES
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 8, 2005 - 9:00 A.M.
City Council Chambers, Naples City Hall, 735 Eighth Steet, South, Naples
I. Call to Order
II. Roll Call
III. Changes and Approval of Agenda
IV. Introduction of Guests
V. Agenda/Times
1. 9-10 AM - Wiggins Pass Discussion
2. 10 - 11 AM - Clam Pass Discussion
3. 11 - 12 AM - Collier County Beach/Inlet Maintenance 10 Year Plan
VI. Adjournment
All interested parties are invited to attend, and to register to speak and to submit their objections, if any, in writing, to the board prior to
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I. The meeting was called to order by Chairman Ron Pennington at 9:00 a.m.
II. Roll Call- A quorum was established with Mr. Minarcini, Mr. Arceri and
Mr. Hendel being excused.
III. Changes and Approval of Agenda - There were no changes to the agenda. No
motion taken.
IV. Introduction of Guests - Chairman Pennington introduced Robert Brantley,
Coastal Engineering Administrator; Lanie Edwards - Permit Processor for
Southwest Florida; Becky Roland - Beach Manager.
V. Agenda/Times
1. 9:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. - Wiggins Pass Discussion
Gary McAlpin - Wiggins Pass is not working for the County at this time
and a solution is being sought. Problems include erosion, boater safety
and the need to dredge the pass every other year.
Ken Humiston - reviewed shoreline past and present. Discussed inlet
management plan recommendation, costs of dredging over past years are
constant, and potential cost savings. Erosion of Barefoot Beach was
discussed. Causes of erosion were reviewed, deepening of cut adds to
erosion. Inlet dynamics will improve.
John Finley, Estuary Conservation Commission, gave presentation
regarding erosion at Wiggins Pass. Heaviest erosion occurred in 2005.
Erosion is causing serious safety risk to boaters. Coast Guard is impeded
during rescue operations because water is too shallow.
Public Speakers:
David Roellig, Board, Estuary Conservation, expressed concern regarding
the amount of material designated for Wiggins Pass, would like to see a
study done of sand at Wiggins Pass. Suggested study should be done on
impact to adjacent shores before permit is issued for dredging.
Joe Moreland, President of Estuary Conservation Association and a
boater. Suggested baseline study regarding dredging at Wiggins Pass.
Boats are being damaged because of shoaling. ECA has dedicated a boat
and hired a graduate student to study conditions at Wiggins Pass.
Open Discussion:
Points covered included using permanent structures to remedy problem.
Permanent structures would add one more complicating feature. More
information is needed as it is not known what the controlling influences
are at Wiggins Pass Inlet. Florida statutes require that using permanent
structures are last resort. Tools are available to determine problems, water
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flows and changes. Numerical model of hydraulics of inlet would be
helpful. A permanent solution is desirable but probably not possible.
Dredging has not been very effective and causes adverse effects on the
shoreline. The solution in 2006 probably will not be effective in 2009.
Possibility of funding from the State was discussed since Collier County
leases the park from the State. Would have to submit funding request,
Wiggins Pass may not be eligible since it is not designated as critically
eroded. Only boats with three-foot drafts should be using waterway.
Unsure what compliance really is. Restricting use to boats with three-foot
drafts was considered. Both Wiggins Pass and Gordons Pass are mouths
of rivers, changes dynamics. Scoping process needs preliminary work by
consultant with list of actions possible to use. Could provide potential
impacts and benefits. A scoping meeting was recommended.
BREAK - 10:00 a.m.
RECONVENED - 10:10 a.m.
2. 10: 10 a.m. - 11 :00 a.m. - Clam Pass Discussion
Gary McAlpin - Introduced Steve Keene, who will address monitoring
information for the past five years and Ken Humiston, who win give
overview of Clam Pass.
Ken Humiston of Humiston & Moore, gave overview of Clam Pass,
conditions pre-dredging, conditions after dredging.
. 1999 comprehensive restoration plan was implemented
Steve Keene, Coastal Engineering Management, stated monitoring
program data was examined from beach point of view. Area most affected
is 3,000 to 4,000 feet from inlet. Inlet impacts presentation covered the
following points:
· Changes since start of Inlet Management plan
· Shoreline position vs. 1998 at C.P
· Odd-Even Analysis CP (FYNR)
· Profile R-41 north and adjacent to CP evolution 1997-2004
· Odd-Even Analysis CP (CY)
· Graphic of Monitoring Program for Inlet
· Theoretical Ebb Shoal Growth
· Nourishment Volume
· Alterations
· Conclusions: Significant impact started with 1998 improvement
Natural bypassing not yet kicked in. Mechanical bypass, 1998 not
enough.
Open Discussion:
Points covered included no analysis has been done as to when bypass
would kick in. Permitting was discussed. Concern for public beaches was
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expressed. It is understood that ongoing maintenance will be necessary.
Discussed whether erosion would continue after equilibrium is reached.
Coastal processes are episodic and certain storm events will move material
around ebb shoal. Concern is if ebb shoal is dug out, win it repeat.
Change in management plan would require permit. Present permit is
defined for outermost cut, if it desired to expand it would require permit,
otherwise, not.
Public Speakers:
David Roellig, suggested examining nourishment to the park over the last
ten years.
Martha Dykman, resident, Clam Bay system, stated hotels are paying
tourist tax and there is no beach. Damage has occurred to the surrounding
environment because beach goers have no beach to use and have trampled
surrounding vegetation.
Dr. David Buser, suggested that data to be used for analysis should be
provided by an unbiased group; engineering firm used now is paid by
Pelican Bay. Suggested building a bridge across the system to create
alternative site on the other side.
Mac Hatcher, Collier County Environmental Services, spoke regarding
actions that involve Clam Bay Estuary System, is deeded to County by
ACE and limits dredging. Tidal connection to the Gulf needs to be
maintained.
3. 11 :00 a.m. - Collier County Beach/Inlet Maintenance Ten Year Plan
Mr. McAlphin - Gave presentation on TDC Category A Projections.
Discussed projections for maintenance and costs for next ten years.
Public Speaker - re Wiggins Pass
Dick Lydon, spoke regarding Pelican Bay causing problem by building a
culvert, believes what we do now may not be good for the future and
believes a study should be done regarding Wiggins Pass.
There being no further business for the good the County, the meeting adjourned by
order of the Chair at 11 :25 a.m.
COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Ron Pennington, Chairman
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