CEB Minutes 05/26/2005 R
May 26, 2005
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE
CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD
Naples, Florida
May 26, 2005
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Code Enforcement Board in
and for the County of Collier, having conducted business herein, met
on this date at 9:30 a.m. in REGULAR SESSION in Building "F" of
the Government Complex, East Naples, Florida, with the following
members present:
CHAIRMAN: Clifford Flegal
Raymond Bowie
Justin DeWitte
Richard Kraenbring
Gerald Lefebvre
Jerry Morgan
George Ponte
ALSO PRESENT:
Jean Rawson, Attorney for the Board
Michelle Arnold, Code Enforcement Director
Jennifer Belpedio, Assistant County Attorney
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CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD OF COLLIER COUNTY. FLORIDA
AGENDA
Date: May 26, 2005 at 9:30 a.m.
Location: 3301 E. Tamiami Tr., Naples, Florida, Collier County Government Center
Administrative Bldg "F", 3rd Floor
NOTE: ANY PERSON WHO DECIDES TO APPEAL A DECISION OF THIS BOARD WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE
PROCEEDINGS PERTAINING THERETO, AND THEREFORE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE
PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS
TO BE BASED. NEITHER COLLIER COUNTY NOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR
PROVIDING THIS RECORD.
1. ROLL CALL
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
3. APPROV AL OF MINUTES
4. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. MOTIONS
1. Motion for Continuance
APRIL 28, 2005
1.
BCC vs. Eberhard Thiermann
CEB NO. 2005-20
2. Motion for Re-Hearing
1.
BCC vs. James and Sherry Marshall
CEB NO. 2004-72
3. Motion for Extension of Time and Waiver of Fines
CEB NO. 2004-01
1.
BCC vs. Robert France
B. HEARINGS
1. CASE NO:
CASE ADDR:
OWNER:
INSPECTOR:
VIOLA TIONS:
2. CASE NO:
CASE ADDR:
OWNER:
INSPECTOR:
VIOLA nONS:
2005-20
117 CHANNEL DRIVE, NAPLES
EBERHARD THIERMANN
DENNIS MAZZONE
Ordinance 91-102 as amended, the Collier County Land Development Code, sees. 1.5.6,
1.8.7, 1.8.9 and 1.8.10
Ordinance 04-41 as amended, the Collier County Land Development Code, sees. 1.04.00,
2.03.00,4.02.03,9.03.00 and 9.04.04
Pool screen enclosure encroaching into setback
2005-22
3056 ARECA AVENUE, NAPLES
DAVID WOODWORTH
DENNIS MAZZONE
Ordinance 2004-58, sees. 6, 15 and 17
Dilapidated residential structure
5. NEW BUSINESS
A. Request for Imposition of Fines/Liens
1. BCC vs. Diana Hall
2. BCC vs. Martin & Holly Walsh
CEB NO. 2003-36
CEB NO. 2004-33
6. OLD BUSINESS
7. REPORTS
A. CEB Case 2004-01 BCC vs. Robert France: Status Report
a. The Respondent was ordered to furnish a status report prior to this hearing as a condition of the extension of time
granted at the hearing of January 27,2005.
B. Year-to-Date Affidavits
8.
COMMENTS
9.
NEXT MEETING DATE
June 23, 2005
10.
ADJOURN
May 26, 2005
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: I apologize for the delay.
Please make note, any person who decides to appeal a decision of
this board will need a record of the proceedings pertaining thereto and,
therefore, may need to ensure that a verbatim record of the
proceedings is made, which record includes the testimony and
evidence upon which the appeal is to be based. Neither Collier
County nor the Code Enforcement Board shall be responsible for
providing this record.
I said at our last meeting, to make sure we can get as clear a
verbatim record as possible, that the board, the county, the
respondents and any speakers will need to be recognized by the Chair
before they can speak. That will hopefully ensure that two or three
people aren't speaking at once and we can get a verbatim record.
May we have our roll call, please.
MS. ARNOLD: For the record, Michelle Arnold, Code
Enforcement Director.
Clifford Flegal?
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Present.
MS. ARNOLD: Raymond Bowie?
MR. BOWIE: Here.
MS. ARNOLD: Richard Kraenbring?
MR. KRAENBRING: Present.
MS. ARNOLD: Gerald Lefebvre?
MR. LEFEBVRE: Here.
MS. ARNOLD: George Ponte?
MR. PONTE: Here.
MS. ARNOLD: Jerry Morgan?
MR. MORGAN: Here.
MS. ARNOLD: And I'd like to welcome our new board member,
Jerry Morgan.
And Justin DeWitte?
MR. DeWITTE: Here.
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MS. ARNOLD: And our new alternate, Justin DeWitte.
And Sheri Barnett is absent.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: And she told us last time she was I
think camping.
Having had the roll call, Michelle, if possible, could you see that
a current list of our members gets e-mailed to everybody --
MS. ARNOLD: Sure.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: -- so we can have it updated? Thank
you.
Approval of our agenda. Are there any changes, additions,
deletions and such to the agenda as presented?
MS. ARNOLD: No, there are not.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: In that case, I would entertain a motion
to accept the agenda as presented.
MR. BOWIE: So moved.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Second.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: We have a motion and a second to
accept the agenda as presented. All those in favor, signify by saying
aye.
MR. BOWIE: Aye.
MR. PONTE: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
MR. KRAENBRING: Aye.
MR. MORGAN: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Aye.
Any opposed?
(N 0 response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Approval of our minutes from April
28th. Are there any changes or corrections to those?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: For our new members, those come to us
electronically, rather than getting something in writing to save money,
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so -- hearing none, I would entertain a motion to accept the minutes
as presented.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Make a motion to accept the minutes.
MR. BOWIE: Second.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: We have a motion and a second to
accept. Any further discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: All those in favor, signify by saying
aye.
MR. BOWIE: Aye.
MR. PONTE: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
MR. KRAENBRING: Aye.
MR. MORGAN: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Those opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: We'll now open our public hearings.
First item is a motion for a continuance.
MS. ARNOLD: Yes. Mr. Chairman, I presented you all with a
copy of a fax that my office received yesterday. Mr. Thiermann's
attorney, Richard Y ovanovich, previously provided you all a request
for a continuance. He's unable to be here. And there is a
representative from his office here, I believe, the office manager.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL:
MS. COPELAND: I'm Susan Copeland. I work for Rich
Y ovanovich.
(Speaker was duly sworn.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Yes, ma'am.
MS. COPELAND: We're just requesting a continuance,
hopefully until late October or early November. Our client just
received word that his mother is ill in Germany, and they need to fly
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to Germany to take care of her.
We originally requested until June, but then he received word of
the illness.
MR. BOWIE: Is it really believed that six months of a
continuance is necessary?
MS. COPELAND: That's what --
MR. BOWIE: Six months?
MS. COPELAND: To get her through her illness and get her--
apparently she has no family there, and they need to fly back.
If not, whatever the board will grant us. We would have to then
get affidavits from our clients in Germany and so that would take
some time also.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Michelle, what's the county's position?
MS. ARNOLD: We had no objection to the first continuance.
Really didn't have an opportunity to talk about the second.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: I understand that the case hasn't been
presented to us yet, so I'll try to ask as broad a question as I can.
Concerning the matter, would it be the county's position to have
it sooner or later? I guess that's about as broad a question as I can put
it. I don't know what the infraction is, so what I'm trying to get at as a
scope for the board is do we really want to consider the six months,
or is it such a nature that we need to consider something less so we
can get on with this?
MS. ARNOLD: Yes, you haven't heard the case. And it's -- I
don't know whether or not Mr. Y ovanovich feels that he needs his
client here to testify on his own behalf.
The information that, you know, we plan on presenting speaks
for itself. So the one-month continuance to have Mr. Y ovanovich
prepared I think would be fair.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay. Any questions from any of the
board members?
(No response.)
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CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Thank you, ma'am.
MS. COPELAND: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay, the first matter before us is we
have a request for a continuance, and it is rather than today, Mr.
Yovanovich is asking for something in October or November. Any
comments from the board?
MR. PONTE: Yeah, I think six months is excessive. And I think
that the respondent is represented by an attorney we know is very
qualified, and I think one month is correct.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Any other comments?
MR. BOWIE: I would concur with Mr. LaPonte (sic). I don't
see why we couldn't continue this for one month till next month, and
that point if there's good cause to be shown for a further continuance,
we can address it perhaps at that time.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Any other comments?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Hearing none, if somebody would
make a motion, the board would consider it.
MR. PONTE: I will make a motion that we approve Mr.
Y ovanovich's first request for a continuance of one month.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Second the motion.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: It's a continuance until our June 23rd
meeting.
MR. PONTE: Correct.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay. We have a motion and a second
to continue this matter to our June 23rd meeting. Any further
discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: All those in favor, signify by saying
aye.
MR. BOWIE: Aye.
MR. PONTE: Aye.
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MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
MR. KRAENBRING: Aye.
MR. MORGAN: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Those opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: It's unanimous. Okay?
MS. RAWSON: Could we ask the representative of Mr.
Y ovanovich's office if she would waive service?
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Yes, ma'am.
MS. COPELAND: Yes.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Would you waive service for our next
meeting?
MS. COPELAND: We will.
MS. RAWSON: Just tell Rich it will be June 23rd.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Thank you, ma'am.
Next item is a motion for a rehearing.
MS. ARNOLD: Mr. Chairman, this one I'm going to have to go
over to the other side and try to get the respondent on the telephone.
If you recall, this was a teleconference hearing that we had previously.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay.
MR. PONTE: Can I just ask a question? It seems to me that -- is
there another way we can do this other than by phone? It's just -- one
of the reasons we're where we are today and we're about to do it again
by phone, and it's not clear. It's difficult for everybody to understand.
And I mean, if we have to do it that way, fine, I guess, but it's a very
unclear way to do business, I think, repeatedly.
MS. RAWSON: Well, I can only tell you that when respondents
are out of town, if they are willing to appear by phone, it's something
that the court system allows. It's not an uncommon thing. Generally
the court will require that they have a notary to swear them in, or
someone -- and I believe last time it was Leo, who said he recognized
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his voice, and we had our court reporter swear him in. I mean, you
have to be sure that you are talking to the person that says his name,
that that's the right person and that he's sworn to tell the truth.
So that being said, I know how inconvenient it is. It's probably
permissible, with all the safeguards in place, for people to appear by
phone.
MR. PONTE: Thank you.
MS. RAWSON: And before you make the decision on this
rehearing, we should probably at least listen to hear what he has to
say, and then I'll be happy to explain the law to you, as well as Ms.
Belpedio.
MS. ARNOLD: Mr. Chairman, I tried the number that I had, and
that was contained on the motion, and it's been temporarily
disconnected.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay.
MR. BOWIE: So perhaps the record should reflect that, that an
attempt has been made to contact Mr. and Mrs. Marshall, the
respondents, at the phone number provided in the motion for
rehearing, which seems to be area code 615-230-9065, and all we
receive is a recorded announcement that this line has been
disconnected.
MS. ARNOLD: Temporarily disconnected.
MR. BOWIE: Temporarily disconnected.
MS. RAWSON: It's basically a failure to appear. You can
consider his written motion, however.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Right.
MR. PONTE: May I just ask Michelle a question, please?
Did you dial the number more than once?
MS. ARNOLD: No, I didn't. But the recording message did
repeat the message that I dialed, and it was consistent with my dialing.
MR. PONTE: Sometimes I misdial.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: You did send notice by mail, did you
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not, Michelle, of today's meeting?
MS. ARNOLD: We sent notice of the mail regular mail. And I
believe I got an e-mail from Leo indicating that he spoke to Mr.
Marshall and told him that it was going to be scheduled on this day
and we would be doing this teleconference.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: That's fine.
Okay, we have his written request for rehearing. The first
question I have is for the board's sake, I'll ask our attorney.
Jean, any comments on this motion?
MS. RAWSON: I just want to explain to the board, and then I'd
ask you to hear from the county's attorney as well, that when people
request a motion for rehearing, remember that your rules and
regulations, as well as Chapter 162, indicate that you must show -- the
respondent must show that the decision of this board was contrary to
the evidence presented to you that day, or that the hearing involved an
error on a ruling of law which was fundamental to the decision of the
board.
If you read the face of the motion for rehearing, it appears to be a
due process allegation rather than involving an error on the ruling of
law, or that your evidence was -- that your decision was contrary to
the evidence.
And the other thing is, does he still have the right to appeal?
Well, he filed the motion for rehearing within the time limit that he
could have appealed. Your rules and regulations are silent as to
whether or not that tolls the time. I don't think administrative code
really has anything on point. But I can tell you, the civil rules of
procedure say that when you file a motion for rehearing, that tolls the
time for you to file an appeal.
So in an abundance of caution, I would say his motion for
rehearing would toll the time for him to file an appeal. So if he
wanted to file an appeal, he probably still could with the circuit court.
But you must consider the criteria that I've just explained to you in
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determining whether or not you want to rehear the case.
And Ms. Belpedio probably has something to add to what I just
said.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay, before we ask Ms. Belpedio,
basically what you're saying is the written request that he has
submitted to us, and I've read it a couple times, fails to meet the
criteria of -- required by the statute and the ordinance for a rehearing?
MS. RAWSON : Well, you need to re-- because I can't tell you
what -- you know, you can read it.
On the face of it, because he's not here to testify, it must show
that the decision that you made was contrary to the evidence that you
heard that day, or that you made an error in the ruling of your order
that was fundamental. And that needs to be shown on the motion, on
the face of the motion, since we have no testimony.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay. Ms. Belpedio?
MS. BELPEDIO: Jennifer Belpedio, Assistant County Attorney.
I agree with Jean's analysis as far as the face of the motion not
supporting the criteria that's set forth in your rules and regulations for
a rehearing to be granted.
And I also agree that the issues that are stated are issues that are
more appropriate for an appeal.
One issue that the county would be looking into on the appeal is
whether or not the disconnection of the phone line somehow has
precluded the time from tolling. So it may be that at a later point in
time the county argues that the time has not tolled.
But nonetheless, Mr. Marshall has the opportunity to file a
challenge in the circuit court of the Code Enforcement Board's order
finding the violation.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay. Therefore, the board has before
it the motion for rehearing.
MR. BOWIE: I've certainly read the motion at length, in fact,
reread it several times, trying to figure out exactly what it was saying
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or alleging. Still, I don't think I've been able to draw a conclusion as
to what it's saying or a alleging.
But I think even casting it in its best light that is most favorable
to the respondent, I don't honestly see where, as written, this motion
for a rehearing raises any new legal issues or factual issues are being
raised here that did not exist or were not raised at the time we heard
this case and determined it. And because of that, I think we're
compelled to deny the motion.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Any other comments from board
members?
MR. PONTE: Yeah, I think the respondent makes some
compelling arguments, but we have heard the case, and if the
respondent wants to appeal, I think he should go to a higher authority,
to the circuit court.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay. Anyone else?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: My comments go along with Jean and
Ms. Belpedio and Ray and George. I've read it several times and I see
no basis under our rules and such to rehear this case.
Therefore, if a board member would like to make a motion.
MR. KRAENBRING: I make a motion that we deny the case for
rehearing.
MR. PONTE: I'll second that motion.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: We have a motion and a second to deny
the request for a rehearing. Any further comments?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: All those in favor, signify by saying
aye.
MR. BOWIE: Aye.
MR. PONTE: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
MR. KRAENBRING: Aye.
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MR. MORGAN: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Aye.
Those opposed?
(N 0 response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: It is unanimous.
As a side note, I apologize for not saying this earlier, but our
alternate, Mr. DeWitte, ince we only have six regular board members
here, you participate fully today. You're allowed to ask questions and
you may vote.
How the system works is when the seven members are here, the
alternates can participate but they can't vote. But when one is absent,
we put you in their stead. So today you can do that. I'm sorry I didn't
say that before.
Next item is a motion for extension of time and waiver of fines.
MS. ARNOLD: The board has a request -- should have a request
from Mr. Zampogna for an extension of time. This is the Board of
County Commissioners versus Robert France case that you all have
considered in the past and made a recommendation to, for the counsel
for the respondent to provide you monthly reports. He's done such
and he's done that again. This month also on your agenda.
And -- but I guess considering the circumstances, he's also
requesting an additional extension, because the matter has not been
able to be resolved at this time.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Have you made a request for
imposition of fines?
MS. ARNOLD: No, we haven't.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: I don't remember the county doing that.
MS. ARNOLD: I don't think he's requesting a waiver of fines.
He's just requesting an extension. I think under the heading, it groups
it together. But let me check my --
MS. BELPEDIO: May 26th is the last one.
MR. BOWIE: I think the motion is strictly for an extension of
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time, as it has been in the past. The portion regarding waiver of fees,
fines, impositions, I think it's moot here. Nothing's ever been
imposed.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Yeah, that's -- since we don't have a
copy of the order, Michelle, when was the date that he was to comply?
MS. ARNOLD: I believe the comply by date is today.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay.
MS. ARNOLD: Or tomorrow. Is it the -- the 26th.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: It says May 26th.
MS. RAWSON: 26th.
MS. ARNOLD: Today is the 26th.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Now, from the county's standpoint, we
keep getting these reports that everybody's trying to work everything
out. Is everything satisfactory, or --
MS. ARNOLD: Jennifer can answer that.
MS. BELPEDIO: I have not heard anything from any of the staff
persons involved. Again, there are numerous departments that are
involved in this property acquisition.
As you may remember, the county has been working with Mr.
France not only to abate the violation, but also to obtain some property
from him to install a well site, which are very important and necessary.
Therefore, that's why there's so many staff persons involved.
So in any event, there are no outstanding issues. The lot line
adjustment application has been reviewed by our office. Very minor
tweaking that is necessary.
The next step is to advertise the property exchange, which is
required under Florida Statute, have it heard by the Board of County
Commissioners, and the date that is proj ected for that consideration is
June 28th. A relatively short period of time. But I have no reason to
believe that Mr. France or his attorneys are not acting in good faith.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay. Having heard that and having
read our reports that we've been getting monthly, from my standpoint,
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I'm not a big fan of amending orders. I think we would accomplish
the same thing if we let the order stand, and if and when -- I mean, I
know fines are going to start occurring, but the county must come
before us to ask us to impose them. And when this thing is over, the
respondent himself or through his attorney can come before the board
and ask us to abate any fines based on they and the county trying to
work this out and it just took longer. I kind of think that's the easiest
thing to do, rather than amend the order.
What's the pleasure of other board members?
MR. PONTE: I think that the goodwill and the progress that has
been shown here should be recognized, and that we should grant the
motion for extension, just because things are moving along as quickly
as they possibly can, given the red tape and the number of parties and
government offices involved.
MR. KRAENBRING: I agree, I think the parties are quite
diligent in trying to resolve this case.
MR. BOWIE: And I'd concur with that.
I'd like to make that into a motion, then, that we grant this motion
for an extension of time for 60 days from today's date for further
hearing on this matter.
MR. PONTE: I'd definitely go along with that.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay, we have a motion on the floor.
Is there a second?
MR. PONTE: I'll second.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: We have a motion and a second to
amend our order to -- for an additional 60 days. Let's take it to our--
to our July meeting, which would be the 28th, I believe?
MR. LEFEBVRE: It should be a little more than 60 days. Take
it to our next -- two --
MS. RAWSON: 30th.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Let's take it to the July meeting.
MS. RAWSON: July -- oh, no, I'm sorry, that's June.
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CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: July 28th will be our next meeting, I
believe?
MS. RAWSON: July 28th.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: So we have a motion to amend our
order until our July 28th meeting.
Any further discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: All those in favor, signify by saying
aye.
MR. BOWIE: Aye.
MR. PONTE: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
MR. KRAENBRING: Aye.
MR. MORGAN: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Aye.
MR. DeWITTE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: The public hearings on our first case.
No. 2005-20.
MR. BOWIE: Twenty-two, would it not be?
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: That's the one we gave a --
MS. ARNOLD: Continuance.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay, continuance.
So now it's 2005-22. BCC versus David Woodworth.
MS. ARNOLD: One minute. I'd like to just go through the
information on statement of violation and ask that the board after that
accept the composite exhibit for the county.
And this case is Board of County Commissioners versus David
Woodworth, Code Enforcement Board Case 2005-22.
The violations are of Sections 6, Paragraph 12(B), 12(C), 12(M),
12(Q), 19(B) and 19(C) of Section 15 and Section 17, Paragraphs One
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through Six of Ordinance No. 2004-58, the Property Maintenance
Ordinance.
The violation is: Dilapidated residential structure consisting of
damaged exterior surfaces.
The location of the violation is at 3056 Areca Avenue, in Naples,
Florida.
The name of the property owner is David Woodworth, and his
address is 2735 Lakeview Drive, in Naples, Florida.
The violation was first observed on October 18th, 2004, and the
violation was served to Mr. Woodworth on October 19th, 2004. And
the correction date originally given was November 20th, 2004.
The last inspection performed on this property was April 29th,
2005. And at that time the violation remained.
The investigator for this case is Dennis Mazzone, and at this time
I would request that the board accept the county's exhibit.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: We have a request to accept the
County's Exhibit A.
MR. BOWIE: Move that the County's Exhibit A be accepted.
MR. PONTE: Second.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: We have a motion and a second. All
those in favor, signify by saying aye.
MR. BOWIE: Aye.
MR. PONTE: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Aye.
MR. KRAENBRING: Aye.
MR. MORGAN: Aye.
MR. DeWITTE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Those opposed?
(No response.)
(Speaker was duly sworn.)
MR. MAZZONE: For the record, my name is Dennis Mazzone;
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I'm an investigator for Collier County Code Enforcement.
And as a point of clarification, I'd like to state that I am not the
assigned investigator for this area. I'm -- my cases are assigned at the
pleasure of the director.
On October 18th of 2004, our office received a citizen's
complaint concerning housing code and property maintenance
violations at a vacant wood frame residence at 3056 Areca Avenue,
Naples, Florida. And I made a site visit and confirmed violations
consisting of the rear wooden exterior surface being found in a state of
deterioration, rotted through to the subsurface. This area was also
infested with a large county of bees. The carport was rotted through
and in a state of collapse. An exterior wood frame -- I'm sorry, it's a
wooden -- all exterior wood frame surfaces to include support
systems were without protective covering and paint and left exposed
to the elements in a state of advanced deterioration.
I took photographs of the property and researched the property
records and found that the owner was a Mr. David Woodworth.
On the following day, October 19th, I made phone contact with
Mr. Woodworth and requested that we meet at the property so we
could discuss this matter.
I waited at the property for a while, and Mr. Woodworth didn't
appear at that time, so I went to his residence, which was just about --
just across the street, which is at 2735 Lakeview Drive, Naples,
Florida, across the highway.
And I met Lucy Woodworth there, who is Mr. Woodworth's
wife. I explained the violations in detail and provided Mrs.
Woodworth with copies of all the appropriate housing code and
maintenance regulations, and obtained Mrs. Woodworth's signature on
a previously prepared Notice of Violation and Order to Correct form.
I requested phone contact by Mr. Woodworth when he arrived.
On October 22nd, 2004, I again attempted phone contact with
Mr. Woodworth at his residence and at his place of business, but with
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no success.
On October 27th, I made phone contact with Mr. Woodworth and
arranged for an in-house meeting at our 2800 North Horseshoe Drive
office, where Mr. Woodworth agreed to come into our office, and we
sat down and discussed the matter in detail. I explained the situation
and the time frames in which we were expecting compliance, and Mr.
Woodworth agreed for our -- to our terms for compliance.
On November 8th, 2004, I made another site visit and confirmed
that there was partial removal of the carport roof. I continued to
monitor this progress between November 8th and November 22nd.
And through that time period, I found very little progress in Mr.
Woodworth's efforts to correct the violation.
So I contacted Mr. Woodworth that day and asked him ifhe
would fax me a time frame by which we could work, and he agreed to
do that. And he faxed me that and -- which I received the next day.
On November 23rd, 2004, I received a fax note from Mr.
Woodworth, explaining his reasons for his delays and stating his
intentions to comply. His reasons were such that he had some
medical problems and that he said he wanted to assist in this cleanup
effort, if not do it himself, and that he needed some time to mend.
And I granted him that time.
I also advised Mr. Woodworth the fact that he was not -- the
property was not owner occupied, he would have to have a licensed
contractor repair -- make any repairs that would require permitting or
that sort of thing. And he was aware of that.
On December 16th of 2004, I made another site visit and
confirmed that the entire carport roof had been removed and that the
rear exterior surface of the house was in the beginning stages of repair.
There were some clapboards taken off the rear portion of the home
and the beehives were removed. I think this is quite the difficult
process for Mr. Woodworth, to give him the benefit of the doubt there.
But he had done that. And it was now being prepared for continued
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work.
MS. ARNOLD: Dennis, do you have any photos that you would
MR. MAZZONE: I do. This first photo would be of the carport
roof area, which I took from the ground looking up through to the sky.
It was in a collapsed state, in very bad need of repair.
MS. BELPEDIO: The County would like to move these
photographs into evidence as Composite Exhibit B.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL : We have a request to enter these as
County's Exhibit B.
MR. KRAENBRING: I make a motion that we enter these
photographs as Exhibit B.
MR. PONTE: Second the motion.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: We have a motion and a second. All
those in favor, signify by saying aye.
MR. BOWIE: Aye.
MR. PONTE: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
MR. KRAENBRING: Aye.
MR. MORGAN: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Aye.
MR. DeWITTE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Any opposed?
(No response.)
MR. MAZZONE: This is the roof that was -- I found completely
removed on the December 16th visit. And the debris was taken away
by Mr. Woodworth.
This next photograph shows the rear of the wood frame residence
in the areas that were infested with the beehives. The holes in the
walls are full of honey combs and bees. I don't have actual photos of
the bees, but here's a photo.
From what I was told by Mr. Woodworth, there was several steps
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to the process of the removal of these bees, which I can well imagine.
He did that, but it took some time after that for us to get Mr.
Woodworth to move forward with the progress of the maintenance of
the house.
Between January 11th, 2005 and May 12th of 2005, I continued
to find minor progress, so we prepared this case for the board.
And on May 25th, which was just yesterday, I confirmed that
most of the exterior has been patched and painted. The rear porch
area, which I'm going to show you a photo of, remained in a neglected
state. Parts of the exterior surface remained unpainted, and a
subsurface protective paper is visible through two small areas on the
rear surface. I'll show you -- I'll give you photos of that now.
This is a photograph of the rear porch area, which has not
undergone any rehabilitation. It's not -- the support systems remain
rotted and decayed. There has been no paint applied to it. And the
flooring is rotted. It's at a point where it would be unsafe, really, to
enter the home through the rear porch.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Dennis, this picture here where it shows
the hot water heater, is this --
MR. MAZZONE: The hot water heater --
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: -- the same area as the picture you just
took away, had a hot water heater in it?
MR. MAZZONE: Yes, that's the same hot water heater, but this
is a closeup photo -- this photo that's in front of you is the -- from a
distance where you could see the porch and the condition of the
porch.
I'm going to put a photo now that will show the porch flooring
and how it's separated from the residence.
This is still an area of concern to us, that the porch be repaired
and painted so that it's made safe for proper access into the residence.
And the next photo I'm going to put on the screen will show that
there's two small areas where we're missing the actual clapboard and
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subsurface paper is exposed. We're just asking that that now be
repaired.
I'd like to mention that this residence is not occupied; it's a vacant
residence. But nevertheless, our requirements are that it be maintained
in a state where it's safe.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Dennis, do you know if there are active
utilities at this home?
MR. MAZZONE: I don't know if they're active, sir.
MR. BOWIE: Had you opportunity to go inside?
MR. MAZZONE: No, sir.
MR. KRAENBRING: These photos are from yesterday?
MR. MAZZONE: I was there yesterday, yes. This photo was
from yesterday. The colored photos were taken yesterday.
MR. PONTE: Is it all boarded up, Dennis? The window there
looks boarded up. Is it completely secure?
MR. MAZZONE: It's not all boarded up. It's secured, yes. It's
the only window that has a board on it at present. That's why we cited
for the boarding section also, that it must have a pane of glass in it
eventually.
MR. PONTE: So homeless or kids couldn't have access to this --
MR. MAZZONE: No, sir, I don't believe so. The building is
secure.
MR. PONTE: Okay. Thank you.
MR. MAZZONE: You're welcome.
Based on the fact that there are these areas of concern left
unaddressed by the respondent, that being the patching of the -- the
completion of the replacement of the clapboards and the finishing of
the paint work and the replacement of any rotted lumber on the porch
and the paint applied to the porch, the off -- the staffs
recommendations would be that the respondent pay all operational
costs that are incurred for the prosecution of this case and that he
abate the violations by engaging the services of a general contractor,
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licensed in Collier County. And that the respondent must engage the
services -- must comply with all Collier County Housing Code and
property maintenance requirements by completing all remedial work
as described in Collier County notice of violation, order to correct
dated October 19th, 2004, and -- by restoring all premises to a state of
intended residential dwelling use within 60 days from this hearing, or
a fine of $100 a day will be imposed each day the violation continues.
Respondent must obtain a Collier County building permit, related
inspections and final certificate of completion for all remedial work
that would require same.
If the respondent elects not to complete rehabilitation work, as
described in Collier County Notice of Violation, order to correct
dated October 19th, 2004, the respondent must then obtain a Collier
County demolition permit and all required inspections through to the
issuance of a Certificate of Completion for the removal of the wood
frame structure and resulting debris, restoring all same premises so as
to comply with all provisions of Collier County RMF-6 BMUDR-l
zoning district; regulations in Collier County property maintenance
requirements within 60 days from this hearing, or a fine of $100 a day
per day will be imposed each day the violation continues.
Just to clarify also, I'm going to state that that acronym, that
RMF-6, stands for residential multi-family six, Bayshore Drive
mixed use overlay residential subdistrict one. It's a zoning designation
for that property.
Are there any other questions?
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Dennis, the roof of the structure, can
you tell from the ground whether it's water tight?
MR. MAZZONE: I can't tell, sir. It didn't appear as though there
was water entering. When I see that kind of situation, normally we
see the walls caving in or buckling. I didn't see such signs.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay.
MR. BOWIE: There's no way in which the county can compel
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access to the inside to be inspected?
MR. MAZZONE: No, sir, not without the -- not without the
permission of the owner, or without a warrant.
MR. BOWIE: So if the inside is anything like the outside, my
concern is that the remedies proposed here are kind of like painting a
pig, you know, you paint it but it's still a pig. Gosh only knows what
it's like inside and what kind of hazards there might be there.
MR. MAZZONE: Well, not knowing that, I had suggested to the
owner that if there are such severe problems to the inside, we had
given him the option of demolition, which might be of interest to him.
MR. MORGAN: It appears to me that the building is not
structurally sound.
MR. MAZZONE: I can't make that judgment. But the owner did
state to me he wants to move his mother in the building. So--
MR. MORGAN: So just seeing the outside of it --
MR. MAZZONE: -- he must think it is.
THE COURT REPORTER: Please restate your last sentence,
please.
MR. MORGAN: It appears to me that the building itself is not
structurally sound. It's sagging. We haven't seen the inside, the floor
joists, the rafters, we haven't seen the plumbing, interior or the wiring
or the flooring. To me it's not cost effective in trying to remodel this
structure. To me, if I owned it personally, I'd tear it down. I don't
know why someone would want to throw their money away trying to
remodeling and bring it up to standard. To me it's just a worthless
structure.
MR. MAZZONE: Well, if I may, we had discussed that with the
owner. Those are his options. We -- not getting inside to the
structure, I could only base my conversation on what I found on the
outside. And I suggested that if he wished to make the remedial
change to the outside, he get a contractor to do so, to make sure that
it's done to our code so it's a safe structure. And if there was any other
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work to be done to the inside, if he thought it was so severe that it
wouldn't warrant the work being done, well, then he has the option of
getting a demolition permit in removing the structure. We have a fire
department that might even have a control burn on it, I don't know.
MR. MORGAN: As far as I'm concerned, it's in a dangerous
condition at the present time.
MR. MAZZONE: I'm not qualified to speak to that.
MR. KRAENBRING: If I might, I think one thing here is that
we probably should be addressing the violations that are brought
before us today and not make assumptions as to what the interior
conditions might be like.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: The board has to remember, certain
items have been presented to us, certain sections of the code and the
ordinance. And that's what we're required to look at. The pictures
give us some visual information, but the investigator has admitted that
he hasn't been able to see structures, the interior at all, even though the
respondent has been cited for Section 15, which says they have to
follow all the ordinances. We don't have any evidence before us to
show us that the structure is failing or that the inside is failing.
Therefore, the board can't consider that. We can only consider
what is being presented to us about the items that have been cited.
And on that basis, we need to make our decision, okay?
Not that I'm against what members are saying, it's just we have to
remember we're limited to the evidence presented. And so far, we
have had no evidence that the building is about to collapse or that the
inside is deteriorated. So let's try to adjust our thinking to exactly
what has been presented.
MR. BOWIE: And I concur with the Chairman's interpretation
of our function and the charging document. In light of that, I'd like to
make a motion that in --
MS. ARNOLD: We haven't had the opportunity for the
respondent to --
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MR. BOWIE: Is the respondent here?
MS. ARNOLD: Yes, the respondent is here.
MR. BOWIE: Oh, okay.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Let's see. Anybody have any other
questions for Dennis or the county?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Thank you, Dennis.
MR. MAZZONE: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Mr. Woodworth?
Over here, sir, please.
MS. ARNOLD: Actually, he's got to use this side. I believe Mr.
Woodworth has some photos that are on the computer.
So Mr . Woodworth, you can use this dais, or this podium, over
here.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Michelle, the reason I asked him to go
over here, the security guard asked that all the respondents speak from
this side of the room, please.
MS. ARNOLD: But unfortunately --
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: That's what the security guard asked me
to have done, so --
MS. ARNOLD: Yeah, but I guess we'll have to make an
exception, because I can't do it for him. He's going to have to do his --
MS. RAWSON: I feel secure.
(Witness was duly sworn.)
MS. RAWSON: Would you go over there to that podium?
MR. WOODWORTH: One thing I want to clarify is that this
Exhibit A, I don't know if it's the same one that you have, but it says
Board of County Commissioners versus David and Lucy Woodworth.
Is that what yours says?
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Yes.
MR. WOODWORTH: Or maybe it has been -- okay, I want to
clarify that my wife has no interest in this property, okay? She's not
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my agent. She did tell me about this serving of the papers at the time,
okay? But I didn't receive them on that day, okay?
The other thing is that this property was in -- you know, the state
that you see it was much worse when I acquired the property. And I
didn't know at that particular time -- I'm new. I'm in the real estate
business. I didn't know at that time whether it could be rehab'd or not.
But believe it or not, the -- some parts of this house are in better
shape than my house. And it's only -- my house is 20 years old. For
whatever reason, that southern pine siding, the original siding, is in
really unbelievably good shape, okay? I mean, I wish I had it on my
house. I have cedar siding on my house.
But from the picture that you saw on that porch, you notice what
was on the floor of that porch? And that was built according to
Collier County code. What did they put on that floor? The same
thing they put on my porch. You know what it was? I don't know if
anybody understands, but it's plywood. Unbelievable. And they
allow it.
Okay, this is -- we get a contractor in, you expect something
better than Joe Blow down the street would do, okay? But you don't
get it here.
I just returned from a visit to my mother, and it's almost as bad
up in Osceola County. I mean, it's pathetic. You have licensed
contractors that either are inept or they lie, okay? You know, and I'm
not lying. I'm telling the truth.
This property -- you know, I'm here because I want to solve the
problem, okay? I want to make it look nice, I want it to be nice.
The problem that the previous owner had was he had break-ins.
He wasn't -- that's why he ended up boarding up that back window.
He didn't break that window, he had people coming in and stealing his
stuff.
Can I show some pictures of --
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Yes.
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MR. WOODWORTH: I went out and just -- okay. Okay, this
picture shows that the electrical has been updated, okay? It's -- the
service has been updated. The electrical is up to -- originally I think
it only had like a 50-amp circuit, but now it has like 100, 150, I don't
remember which, but it's--
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Mr. Woodworth?
MR. WOODWORTH: Yes.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: What's been brought before the board is
not an electrical problem.
MR. WOODWORTH: Well, I know, but I -- you know, I heard
some of the board members wanting to tear it down. One of the
people from your community development wants to tear it down too
and buy it from me, okay? You know, I don't know if he's the one that
reported this problem or not, but --
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Well, we haven't made any kind of
decision. But what we want to hear is what was presented to us and
your side of those items. And electrical wasn't one of them.
MR. WOODWORTH: Okay. All right.
The porch has been removed, okay? That was a problem, okay?
The carport roof. Okay? That's been corrected.
Now, the windows haven't been painted. The reason was some
of the windows have broken glass and they have to be repaired, okay?
And I just -- that wasn't -- I wasn't able to have it -- get it done in the
time frame. I mean, I've been working -- believe it or not, let me see if
I can pull up some of the -- okay.
All right, this is my -- well, let's see if I -- okay, this is the
mailbox. I replaced the mailbox twice since I've owned the property.
I've lost the number off my what do you call it. I'm trying to secure it
as best I can. In fact, I've been trying to get the -- a fence, you know,
to restrict. I have people coming onto the property that are -- I keep
asking them to, you know, stay away. And I will-- you know, that
will help me in my process of -- okay, let's see.
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Okay, this is how the house looks from the neighbor's house,
okay, at the street level. You know, it -- to me it looks -- doesn't look
bad. And I wouldn't minØ living in this house. It's a two-bedroom,
one-bath house with a little porch on the front. I'm thinking that
maybe I could extend the deck. I was thinking -- I have an
89-year-old mother, that that's where I was earlier this week, and
having it about two blocks away from my house, it would be an ideal
place for her to be. She's still living alone. She has some memory
problems but, you know, if she was two blocks away from me, I think
I -- you know, she could be able to live on her own for the most part.
Okay, this is another side of the carport. Okay, this is the
honeycomb that got -- I mean, the honey colony has been there for
probably 10 years. I haven't owned this property for 10 years. This
was a garbage can full. A big sack. I mean, it was an unbelievable
mess.
And I -- the first thing was I tried to get somebody to come in and
get the bees. You can't find anybody to come in and get a honeybee
colony. You know, there's ways of doing it.
And then the next thing was to try to get an exterminator. I got
prices anywhere from 500 to $1,000 to remove the bees.
It's -- okay. All right. Mr. Mazzone, you know, was concerned
about this Brazilian pepper, okay? After you get a CO, you can grow
all the Brazilian peppers you want. But I removed this tree, okay, and
I poisoned it, okay? I did it, you know, just to try to get along. I tried
to get along, that's what I tried to do. But, I mean, there's no end to
requests, it seems.
Okay, I already showed that one. Honeybees, mailbox. Okay,
that one I showed.
Okay, this is the front of the house. You know, the -- you know,
I am in the process -- I mean, I think it doesn't look bad.
Okay, this is the back side, the west side of the house. You
know, the window hasn't been painted. That's the biggest complaint I
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can see right here, just looking at it.
Okay, this is -- I couldn't match the original beveled siding, or it's
-- actually, they call it novelty siding. But this was the best I could do,
or find, anyway. And it doesn't look too bad. Since it's on the back
side of the house, it provides, you know, a good exterior, I think. It
probably won't last as well as the original southern pine siding there,
but, you know, the house has probably, you know, not a whole lot of
years left. I mean, eventually, you know, with the code, the present
code allows for two townhouses on this property, so I can see in the
future that it will be replaced, okay?
It isn't -- at the present time I'm just thinking of the short term. I
have an 89-year-old mother, I'm thinking that this might be the -- a
good solution. Okay.
East side, north wall.
MR. PONTE: I think we've seen these pictures before.
MR. WOODWORTH: I think that's probably it.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Mr. Woodworth, I have a question.
The county showed us a picture of the porch which you say had
plywood on it. Do you have a picture of that porch?
MR. WOODWORTH: He has it.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Well, you have a lot of pictures. Do
you have the --
MR. WOODWORTH: No, I didn't take the plywood, because
the plywood is an embarrassment.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay. That was my question.
MR. WOODWORTH: I would never put plywood on an exterior
porch.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Fine. I asked --
MR. WOODWORTH: I don't know how it was allowed in the
first place, okay? I had it on my house.
MR. BOWIE: There's obviously a substantial difference here in
the photos you've shown us of the property vis-a-vis the photos shown
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us by the county.
Let me just go through a little checklist here of the things that
they showed us that you say has been done.
The bees have been removed, exterminated; is that correct?
MR. WOODWORTH: Yes.
MR. BOWIE: The rotted wood siding, has it now all been
replaced?
MR. WOODWORTH: No, there's still that --
MR. BOWIE: Some portions have not.
MR. WOODWORTH: There's still some --
MR. BOWIE: Okay. How about the roof over the carport, that's
been removed --
MR. WOODWORTH: Has been removed.
MR. BOWIE: -- you indicated. Okay.
The wood siding you've replaced has been painted now, correct?
MR. WOODWORTH: Yes.
MR. BOWIE: The windows that were broken out, have they all
been replaced, or not?
MR. WOODWORTH: No.
MR. BOWIE: No, okay.
MR. WOODWORTH: That's why you still see that piece of
plywood on the back window.
MR. BOWIE: And the porch is still in the state it was in as
shown --
MR. WOODWORTH: That's that back porch.
MR. BOWIE: -- on the county photos.
Yes.
MR. WOODWORTH: That's with the plywood. Yes, it's going
to be replaced with pressure treated lumber. I mean, that's the way it
should have been done whenever -- 50 years ago they had pressure
treated lumber, but they didn't use it. You know, it would be in better
shape if --
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MR. BOWIE: In order for you to take care of all the other items
that the county has mentioned, shown us, what kind of time frame do
you think you'll need to comply with all of these things to do all of
these things?
MR. WOODWORTH: The porch and the replacing --
MR. BOWIE: All -- the windows.
MR. WOODWORTH: -- getting rid of all the boarding --
MR. BOWIE: The debris, yeah.
MR. WOODWORTH: Sixty days? I mean, I -- two months?
And by that time I'll probably be able to get a fence around it which
will secure it a little bit so I can maybe do some more things. You
know 1--
,
MR. LEFEBVRE: When did you acquire this property?
MR. WOODWORTH: It's been several years. I mean, I -- what
has happened is that I'm self-employed, and that means that you don't
have a job, which means that whenever somebody needs something,
I'm the gofer. I'm the gofer for my mom, I'm the gofer for -- I have
two sons, when they need something, my wife, anybody -- it seems
like I'm, you know -- I'm -- that's the problem with being -- where
you don't have a -- when you're not employed like eight to five, you
know, you're at the mercy of anyone. Because they say, well, please
do this. You know, do this, you know. And I get diverted. And I try
to make enough money in real estate to pay my bills, too. You know,
it's just -- that's the problem. I get diverted.
And I admit, I -- sometimes I -- you know, I chase the dollar,
you know, rather than, you know, do something else, you know, or --
you know, and it's very difficult to get things done in this town. And
I guess everywhere.
I mean, I was up at Osceola County and the person that came
that does my mother's air conditioner, that does the service calls, said
that the heat strip and the coils were leaking--
MR. BOWIE: That's not our issue.
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CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Do you have anything else to tell us on
this piece of property, sir?
MR. WOODWORTH: I want to solve the problems, okay? I
truly do.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay. Thank you, sir.
Anybody else have any questions?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Thank you very much.
We'll close the public hearing. First order of business is finding
of fact by the board. Do in fact violations exist on the property as
presented.
MR. BOWIE: I'd like to move in Case No. 2005-22, Board of
County Commissioners versus, I believe it would be just David
Woodworth, as the property owner. He's testified that he only is
entitled to this property, not he and his wife. In that case, a violation
be determined to exist and that violation is as has been set forth in the
notice of violation presented to us in this case.
MR. KRAENBRING: Second.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: The only comment I have is the county
and the defendant have said that the roof over the carport has been
removed, so that section would not apply anymore. Subsection 12(C),
roof over carport rotted through and in a state of collapse. If it's been
removed, he's answered that one, so we really can't cite him for that.
MR. BOWIE: But as of November 20th, 2004, presumably none
of this had been done.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Right. So we need to understand that
he has made some corrections when we get to that. Okay, we have a
motion and a second that violations do exist. Any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: All those in favor of the motion that
violations do exist, say aye.
MR. BOWIE: Aye.
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MR. PONTE: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
MR. KRAENBRING: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Aye.
MR. MORGAN: Aye.
MR. DeWITTE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Those opposed?
(N 0 response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Next item of business is order of the
board, what we require the respondent to do.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Can I ask one question?
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Yes, sir.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Of Jean.
MS. RAWSON: Yes.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Is there any way -- I know that we're not
looking at the interior of the unit at all, but is there any way we can
put an order in our order that we ask that the respondent let an
investigator inside the unit?
MS. RAWSON: I don't -- at this point I don't think so. I think
Mr. Mazzone, in his recommendations, is asking that you have him
restore it to the intended use, residential use, so that would include the
interior.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Okay, fair enough.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Anyone have any recommendations for
the order of the board?
MR. PONTE: I would just recommend that we adopt the
county's suggestions, with the exception of the items that have already
been repaired, i.e., the carport roof and any other items. But basically
it be as suggested by the county.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay, what is that?
MS. ARNOLD: The recommendation from staff was --
MR. PONTE: Sixty days and $100.
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MS. ARNOLD: -- sixty days or $100. And there would be a
60-day time period given for both the obtaining of permit for any
restoration that was going to be completed, as well as any demolition
that would be completed.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Could you put it up on the monitor?
MR. BOWIE: We're usually given these proposed
recommendations in writing. For some reason we're not given them.
MR. KRAENBRING: So is it our understanding that the 60-day
recommendation is basically in line with the respondent's request for
60 days?
MR. BOWIE: That's what he said he would do.
MR. PONTE: It wasn't really a request. I think he said he could
accomplish it in 60 days.
MR. KRAENBRING: Good.
MR. BOWIE: I honestly don't know what needs to be done with
it. This property requires a licensed contractor, given what we've seen
here. I don't know if that ought to be part of our order. That's one of
the things recited here.
MR. PONTE: But that --
MS. ARNOLD: I think that's been provided for the board and to
the respondent as information in the event that there is something that
requires a permit. Mr. Woodworth--
MR. BOWIE: In the event, yeah.
MS. ARNOLD: -- because he does not reside there, needs to hire
a licensed contractor.
MR. PONTE: Mr. Woodworth's also a professional and in the
business, so he must know that.
MR. BOWIE: I could see us restating this somewhat and saying
employ an appropriately licensed contractor where required by codes.
Certainly to replace wood siding and painting doesn't require a
licensed contractor.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Isn't the -- doesn't the code say that if
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it's your property, as long as the work is under some dollar amount,
other than plumbing and electrical or something of that nature,
possibly, I can't remember how it's worded. But if I own a property
and I want to replace the front porch, I can do it myself, period, is the
way I understand how the code works. I don't need to hire somebody
to redo my front porch. Am I wrong?
MS. ARNOLD: If there's anything structural, there may be that
requirement for a separate contractor.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Replacing the flooring on a front porch
isn't structural to me. Sorry.
MS. ARNOLD: I can't answer that.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: You're laying boards across boards.
MS. ARNOLD: I can't answer that because the photos --
MR. BOWIE: Perhaps we should just let it remain--
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: We normally don't say that in our
order, so I don't know why we're getting into that. It's just we want
him to fix the problems, and whatever the ordinance says he has to do.
If it says he has to get a permit, then the permits normally say
something about contractors, as I remember.
I don't think the board should get into saying from now on
persons must go hire this type of -- I don't think that's wrong. We're
getting too specific and we can -- I can see a problem down the road.
MR. PONTE: So why don't we take it from 2(B).
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: I guess what I would say is someone
should think along the lines, as we always do, the first item would be
that the respondent has to pay any of the operational costs in the
prosecution of this case. The second item would be that he would
have to abate all the --
MR. BOWIE: What I would like, what I would suggest is that
other than 2(A), we adopt 2(B), 2(C) and 2(D).
MR. PONTE: I think that's right.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Jean, I have a question.
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MS. RAWSON: Yes.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: 2(B) says he must comply with all
Collier County housing code.
MS. RAWSON: Well, it needs to be specific as to what we've
alleged that he's in violation of.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: He's been cited for certain items.
MR. BOWIE: Well, it says -- it goes on, as described in the
notice of violation, order to correct dated October 19th, 2004.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: It says complete any remedial work.
But when we say all housing code, does that give us a problem that
we're telling him to do something that he hasn't been cited for?
MS. RAWSON: I think it has to be just the above described
violation.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Right. I don't like broad statements.
And they weren't cited for that.
Okay, if someone would like to make a motion, the board will
consider it.
MR. BOWIE: I'd like to make a motion that in Case 2005-22,
the Board order the respondent to pay all operational costs incurred in
the prosecution of this case. Also, to abate all violations by
completing all remedial work as described in the notice of violation
dated October 19th, 2004 in this case, and restore the premises to a
state of intended residential dwelling use within 60 days from this
date, or a fine of $100 per day will be imposed for each day the
violation continues.
Further, that the respondent must obtain building permits, related
inspections and final certificate or certificates of completion for all
remedial work that require the same.
If the respondent elects not to complete the rehabilitation work,
as described to remedy the items in the notice of violation, the
respondent must then obtain a demolition permit and all required
inspections through the issuance of a certificate of completion for the
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removal of the wood frame structure and the resulting debris, and
restoring all the premises so to comply with the provisions of Collier
County's zoning district RMF-6/BMUD/R-l, and Collier County
property maintenance requirements within 60 days from this hearing
or a fine of $100 per day will be imposed for each day the violation
continues.
MR. PONTE: I'll second that motion.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Jean, we have the operational costs in
there, don't we?
MS. RAWSON: Yes. That was the first thing, I think.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: We have a motion and a second. Any
further discussion?
MR. MORGAN: I'll second.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: We have a second, sir.
If there's no further discussion, all those in favor of the motion,
say aye.
MR. BOWIE: Aye.
MR. PONTE: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Aye.
MR. KRAENBRING: Aye.
MR. MORGAN: Aye.
MR. DeWITTE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Those opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Motion carries.
Mr . Woodworth, are you still -- yeah, I see him. Do you
understand, sir? You have 60 days to get everything fixed or $100 a
day.
That concludes the public hearings. We go from item three, four
-- item five, new business. Request for imposition of fines.
First one is Diana Hall.
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MS. ARNOLD: Ms. Hall is here to speak to the board, and I do
have some information to provide to you. Because I believe she's
wanting some additional time. Give me one second.
This matter was brought to the board back on September 25th,
2003, and for those board members that aren't -- that weren't here at
that time, this is a structure that construction started but had not
commenced and the property owner now is in the process of trying to
get the construction completed.
The board has granted an extension. They previously granted an
extension back in October of 2004, and the extension was given
through February 25th, 2005, I believe.
But as I said, Mrs. Hall is here, if you want an opportunity to
read what she's provided to you and give her an opportunity to speak.
And the investigator is also here to answer any questions, if you
have any.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: All right, Ms. Hall.
(Speaker was duly sworn.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Yes, ma'am, what would you like to tell
us?
MS. HALL: Given the recognition to the court that I know it's
been a long time that the property had been no work done on it. But
since the 25th of September, 2003, when I came down to get the
wheels in motion to get this started, I've been working continuously to
get it done. And I contacted several agencies for assistance, and, you
know, in lieu of that, I thought they was going to help me. But
because they didn't, you know, I continued to work on it.
And I just signed the mortgage on Thursday, the 19th, and the
money is available for my own, because I'm the owner/builder, you
know, that I can continue on. And as we speak, you know, they're
finishing up the interior drywalling. And I have no problem with any
of the board members going inside, or Mr. Letourneau, you know,
giving his statement as to what state the property is in from since it
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was first cited in September.
And I'm just asking the court if you all would grant me whatever
time maximum that -- you know, just so we have enough time that I
could continue on, and that the fees be waived. According to the last
hearing, we was to -- took under consideration that you said that after
they granted the time that the fines would go away. But when I got
this notice, I saw that it was still up and active. So--
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Well, we gave you an extension until
February 25th. And from that time forward the fines started accruing
because you didn't comply. So that was -- there's 90 days in there.
But how much time are you asking us to give you additional?
You've had six months so far. Now how much longer should it be?
MS. HALL: I understand. Within the six months, as they have
stated in the notice that you all have there, that, you know, I was under
the assumption that I was going to have assistance from an outside
agency. So it was like that six months was just there with me just
doing what I could do on my own.
So if I could have the six months, you know, to do whatever have
to be done. Not that I need it, but if I could have the six months
granted, that I can assure you that things will be taken care of within
that time. Because as I stated earlier, now the funds are available in
hand, not, you know, chasing around an agency as to what someone
can assist me in.
MR. BOWIE: When you say the funds are available, you've
gotten a mortgage?
MS. HALL: Yes, sir.
MS. ARNOLD: Yes. Mrs. Hall provided us a copy of the
mortgage.
MR. BOWIE: Okay. Who's going to do the work with these
monies now?
MS. HALL: I have contractors lined up. Subcontractors lined
up. And they're working on it right now while we're in court. And
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has been from since I started, which was last March.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Have you had inspections?
MS. HALL: I've had continuance inspections. My permit is
active, and everything is up to code. And the site is, you know, is
appealing, and there's no unsightly violations that, you know, could be
brought to the court at this time.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Jeff?
(Speaker was duly sworn.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Tell us what's going on.
MR. LETOURNEAU: The site looks pretty good. She's done a
pretty good job so far. I realize she's had some monetary problems,
and considering the circumstances, she's done a pretty good job in
moving along.
She hasn't had an inspection since, looks like, January 28th, but
she's made some good progress. And the site is in good shape. It's not
like a normal, you know, dumpy construction site. She's kept it pretty
well clean and it's not a blite on the neighborhood or anything like
that.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Any idea how much longer this is
going to go on?
MR. LETOURNEAU: With the available funds she has now, it
shouldn't be more than she's requesting, you know, I don't think.
I mean, I wish I had a picture of the house. I haven't been out
there in about a month. So it's come quite a ways since she's been
back in Naples.
MR. BOWIE: Are you residing in this property now?
MS. HALL: No, I'm living in a rental property now. But I lived
out of town when I first started this. I had a subcontractor that was
over the whole job and I had a lot of vandalism and theft and all the
windows was broke out, which is what brought this proj ect to the
attention of the board, that all the windows was broken.
You know, after gathering up the funds to restart -- you know, I
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had to start from top to bottom to get it to the state that it's in, because
everything had to be done over except for the outer structure that you
saw, which was the wall standing and the roof overhead. I had to do
everything, you know, according to the chief inspector to reinspect
everything all over. That was from the rough plumbing to the
electrical, AC, installation, everything.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Ma'am, is the electrical and the
plumbing, is that all in the house now?
MS. HALL: It's roughed in. Everything is roughed in. Drywall
is being put up now.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Drywall is up.
MS. HALL: Right.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: And the outside of the house is--
MS. HALL: Stuccoed.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Stucco, okay.
MR. PONTE: Jeff, in your professional opinion, what would you
think is a realistic time to complete this?
MR. LETOURNEAU: Well, she's got -- let me see. She's got
about 16 inspections to do. I would say anywhere between three and
six months. I'm not a contractor or a, you know, engineer.
MR. PONTE: Well, knowing the pace of work this time of year,
would you think that 90 days would do it?
MR. LETOURNEAU: Ninety days might be stretching it. She's
got still, you know, the right-of-way, the landscaping, the -- all the
finals on the plumbing and the electric and everything like that. So I
would say she needs probably more than 90 days.
MR. PONTE: Okay. Thank you.
MR. BOWIE: I'll be honest with you, given the history of this, a
further extension troubles me somewhat, even though I was not on the
board at this time this was heard and the order made. This order was
rendered September 25th, 2003. This property apparently was never
CO'd.
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It was -- as I understand the history just reading this, there was a
permit that was reapplied for twice, it was never CO'd, it was never
completed. And the most recent permit expired May 17th -- March
17th, 1999?
MS. HALL: The most recent permit is 2003. And it's still an
active permit.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: She got another permit.
MR. BOWIE: I'm talking about the history of this case at the
time this was heard.
MS. HALL: And everything you said is true, sir. It's just that
since I moved here to Collier County in March of '04, I've been
continually working and the permit has been reapped (phonetic) since
November, '03, and it's been continuous work going on. I'm not
denying the history of it. I'm talking about what's present and what's
ongoing, if you all would consider togrant the extension.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Is it correct if we grant an extension, that
would negate the fines that are currently accruing?
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Yeah, what we'd be doing is we'd be
taking our order which --
MR. LEFEBVRE: Amending our order.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Yeah. The date was February 25th. So
whatever we do now, we would go from that date forward. So we
automatically have to give her -- we'll clear out the 90 days, which
she's being -- the county's asking us for. So those 90 days are already
gone. Now she's asking for an additional six months. So we'd be
giving her basically a nine-month extension.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Okay, I understand. I--
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Ifwe gave her her six months.
MR. BOWIE: Just to clarify, ma'am, how long has it been that
you owned the property? When did you purchase this property?
MS. HALL: I originally purchased the property in, I think it was,
'93 or '94.
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MR. BOWIE: And you were aware at that time that it had never
been completed, there was no certificate --
MS. HALL: It was not started at the time that I purchased the
property. As I stated, sir, I had a subcontract -- I know it's my
responsibility to make sure things are done right when a permit is
permitted under my name. But I was trusting other people to do stuff.
But now that I'm doing it myself, I just hope that you all will take
under consideration that I'm the one bouncing the ball now.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay, we have a request from Ms. Hall
to give her an extension, rather than impose the fines as requested by
the county. If I understand correctly, she would like six months.
From the county's side 90 days isn't enough, based on what Jeff has
said. So some period between three months and six months that the
board can consider. Or the full six months.
Understanding we also have to extend the time, the three months
that have already passed. So is there some number somebody is
interested in?
MR. PONTE: Well, I think we have to take Jeffs opinion into
consideration here. So somewhere between -- if it's not 90 days, how
about 120 days? That's four months.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: I mean, based on what she says is
already done -- I've built quite a few houses. From the position she's
in now, in four months she should be able to complete this house, I
would think.
MR. PONTE: Particularly with all the financing in place.
MR. KRAENBRING: How do you feel about that, Jeff?
MR. LETOURNEAU: I feel four months, with the right
financial back, she should have this project completed.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: What the board needs to understand,
four months plus the three that have passed, so it's really a
seven-month extension.
MR. BOWIE: Let me just ask the county a question. In the
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order of October 1st, dated October 1st, 2003, one of the items was
that if the respondent had not complied by December 24th, 2003, this
is item number six, the county was directed to secure the structure by
boarding it up and assessing the cost to the respondent. Was that done
and are there any costs incurred? No.
MS. ARNOLD: No, the county didn't board it up.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: No, we extended the order.
George, do you want to make a motion to give her what would
basically be a seven-month extension? Three months have already
passed and there'd be four new months starting from today.
MR. PONTE: Yeah, I'll make a motion that the -- an extension
of four months be granted --
MR. KRAENBRING: Seven.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Well, it has to be seven because three
of them --
MR. PONTE: Well, from today.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Really, we have to go back to February
25th, because that was the date of the order. So we've got to change
from there forward. So it's really seven months.
MR. PONTE: All right, I'll make a motion that the extension be
made for seven months.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: So the new date would be --
MR. PONTE: 120 days from now.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: This is May, June, July, August. Our
meeting in September, which would be the 22nd? Let's make this a
seven-month period on a date where she can come before us and say
it's done or it's not. Make it September 22nd. That's four months
basically from today plus the three months that have already passed.
How's that, George?
MR. PONTE: Sounds fine.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: There's a motion on the floor. Is there a
second?
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(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: If none, is there another
recommendation?
MR. BOWIE: Again, I'm very concerned over the time that has
elapsed on this since September, 2003. I'm concerned that extensions
have been given in the past which would have allotted more than
ample time and nothing has been done. And I'm afraid if we grant
another extension, the type of precedent that might set for others in a
similar predicament, where construction was commenced and permits
never closed out, certificate of occupancy never granted years ago,
property has remained in an unfinished condition for years. I think
just too much has transpired to allow further extension.
MR. PONTE: But I think the respondent's point there, that that's
the ancient history and what is happening right now is that the job is
approaching completion. And our primary responsibility here is to
achieve compliance, and she's well on the way to complying.
MR. KRAENBRING: I have to agree. I think that, you know,
all construction is leveraged. The money is available now. I think the
testimony from Jeff has been positive. The site does not seem to be a
hazard. And I think she's articulately presented her case.
I am concerned that four months is -- I'm more inclined to go six
months, quite frankly, being in the construction business. But in the
spirit of compromise, I would second that, your motion, for the four
months.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: You want to put your motion back on
the floor?
MR. PONTE: Why was -- how did it get knocked off the --
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Well, nobody wanted to second it. So
now would you like to reissue it?
MR. PONTE: I will restate my motion, yes.
MR. KRAENBRING: I will second it.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Now we have a motion for seven
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months and a second. And the seven months goes back to February
25th and takes us to September 22nd. Any further discussion about
that time period?
MR. DeWITTE: With that, removing the order item five,
penalties, what about the operational costs?
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: We don't do any of that. All we're
doing now is we're going back to day one where we said it had to be
done by February 25th and the penalties start from there on. We're
now going to change that February 25th to September 22nd. So there
will be no penalties. Nothing. There's nothing applies. Everything
would start now at September 22nd, if that's what the board decides.
So if she get it all done by September 22nd, then there --
MR. KRAENBRING: Could I make a further comment?
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: The operational costs, you know, she
would, if she comes into compliance.
MR. KRAENBRING: Can I make a -- I don't think it was
beyond my second. But as far as setting a precedent, I think that's one
of the things that we're here as a board is to decide these on a
case-by-case basis, based on the evidence.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Everything is case by case. And in this
case she has presented a lot of information, and the county has tried to
work with her and direct her to get help. And it sounds like from
what she has told us previously, she's been just about everywhere in
the state trying to get help, and she's finally got the financing, has
given that to the county, so the county knows she in fact does have a
mortgage and can proceed. At this point I'm comfortable. Come
September if she shows up with another problem, I'm less likely to
help her.
Okay, so we have a motion and a second to amend our order to a
new date of September 22nd. Any further discussion?
MR. BOWIE: Well, again, just for the record, I have to oppose it
for the reasons I stated. I think too much has transpired. There hasn't
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been enough action to address this problem literally for years. And I
don't think in this particular situation the respondent should be
awarded for circumstances of her own if not creation at least tolerance.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: All those in favor, signify by saying
aye.
MR. PONTE: Aye.
MR. KRAENBRING: Aye.
MR. MORGAN: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Aye.
MR. DeWITTE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Those opposed?
MR. BOWIE: Nay.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Nay.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Two. So we have 5-2.
You've got till September 22nd, ma'am.
MS. HALL: Thank you. And if I'm done before then, I'll be in
to motion the court before then.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Thank you. If you get done before
then, just let the county know and they will tell us.
MS. HALL: Thank you, Michelle.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Imposition of fines. BCC versus
Martin and Holly Walsh, 2004-33.
MS. ARNOLD: Yes, this case was heard by the board on July
22nd,2004. It is now in compliance and Mr. Walsh is here and he
would like to speak to the board. As well, the supervisor for the
original investigator that handled this case is also here to answer any
questions of the board.
(Speaker was duly sworn.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: All right, Mr. Walsh, what would you
like to ask the board to do?
MR. WALSH: When I was here last time, you guys gave me 60
days to get either the problem permitted -- the structure was built
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without a permit by a licensed contractor. Either permitted or just
taken back down, which I would need a permit for destruction.
In that 60 days I tried to get a permit for taking the structure
down. First because I wasn't having any luck getting a permit or
anybody to repermit or get a permit that was a licensed contractor or
different contractor. And I was unable to get a permit to take it down
or get a -- somebody to apply and get a permit to keep it up.
So after that period of 60 days passed, the fines started coming
along, and I was working with the county to try to find out, you know,
what we could do. Then finally we decide -- the county told me to go
ahead and just put the structure back to its original condition, and
that's what I did. I had a licensed contractor put it up to its original
condition.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay. And that all got accomplished
by when?
MR. WALSH: It was accomplished, I guess it was about -- it
was just before the last meeting, so the beginning of last month. It
was too late to get on the board for last month.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Somewhere in April of'05.
MR. WALSH: Yeah.
MS. ARNOLD: April 22nd.
(Speaker was duly sworn.)
MS. PETRULLI: For the record, my name is Patti Petrulli,
Supervisor, Supervisor, Code Enforcement.
I'd like to concur with what Mr. Walsh said. Through no fault of
his own, Mr. Walsh did try to comply with the board's issue, the
orders issued, but through some misunderstanding and misinformation
in the departments, he was delayed from getting a permit to take down
his -- the roof that he had put up.
Being personally involved in the case and seeing what he did to
try and achieve compliance, we'd like to ask that Mr. Walsh just be
charged operational charges and any fines either be dismissed or
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reduced. Because he honestly tried. And it was through the county,
no fault of hisown, that he did not come into compliance when he was
due.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: So the county is asking the board to
only institute the operational costs, and the county is removing the
fine portion of the --
MS. PETRULLI: Yes, sir. That's what we would like, in all
fairness to him.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: I don't have a problem with that. The
board has no authority to delete the operational costs, so if the county
wants that imposed, the board has no problem doing that.
MS. PETRULLI: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Okay. Board members understand, the
county is only asking us to impose operational costs. They are
agreeing to waive the fine amount. Everyone understand? And the
board has no power to waive operational, only the county can do that.
At this point what we would need is a motion to impose the
operational costs of $666.
MR. LEFEBVRE: I make a motion that in the case of County
Board of County Commissioners versus Martin and Holly Walsh, No.
2004-33, that we impose the operational costs and we negate the fines
that have been levied.
MR. KRAENBRING: I second.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: We have a motion and a second to
impose the operational costs, as requested by the county. Any further
discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: All those in favor, signify by saying
aye.
MR. BOWIE: Aye.
MR. PONTE: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
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MR. KRAENBRING: Aye.
MR. MORGAN: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Aye.
MR. DeWITTE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Any opposed?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Sir, do you understand? You will have
to pay the operational costs.
MR. WALSH: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: That's new business. No old business.
Reports. We had a report from for Mr. France.
MR. BOWIE: I think we already dealt with that.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Yeah, his request was -- his report was
attached, so -- stating that they're moving along.
We have a report from the county on the year-to-date affidavits.
MS. ARNOLD: Yes. Rather than go through -- do you have that
copy?
MR. BOWIE: Yes.
MS. ARNOLD: Okay. Just -- we are just providing you a report
identifying all the affidavits that have been filed and for which cases
those affidavits have been filed. And it's indicating whether or not
they are in appliance or not in compliance. Some of the cases we
actually handled today.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Any other reports? I don't see any.
Any comments from any board members, and/or county staff?
MS. ARNOLD: I do just want to mention that we are in the
process of signing you all up for a workshop that's going to be taking
place in June. It's June 18th. It's a Saturday. It's going to be on
Sanibel. We -- we'll get you the information with regards to the
location and times and everything else. If anyone is unable to make
that workshop, just please e-mail me and let me know.
F or the new board members, this workshop is being sponsored by
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the Florida Association of Code Enforcement, and it's tailored
specifically for board members, special masters, attorneys
representing code enforcement boards and the like. And it's very
informative, and the instructor, he's excellent, because I've taken him
before. So I would encourage everybody to participate.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: You'll see about getting us a new
updated list, Michelle?
MS. ARNOLD: Sure, absolutely.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: I think e-mail is the best way to just get
it out because you can get it out quick.
Our next meeting is mere, June 23rd, same time, same place.
Any other items for us?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: If none, I would entertain a motion to
adjourn.
MR. BOWIE: So moved.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: We have a motion.
MR. KRAENBRING: Second.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: And a second. Any discussion?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: All those in favor, signify by saying
aye.
MR. BOWIE: Aye.
MR. PONTE: Aye.
MR. LEFEBVRE: Aye.
MR. KRAENBRING: Aye.
MR. MORGAN: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Aye.
MR. DeWITTE: Aye.
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: Surely, anybody opposed?
(N 0 response.)
CHAIRMAN FLEGAL: We're adjourned.
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There being no further business for the good of the County, the
meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 11:22 a.m.
COLLIER COUNTY CODE
ENFORCEMENT BOARD
CLIFFORD FLEGAL, CHAIRMAN
Transcript prepared on behalf of Gregory Court Reporting Service,
Inc., by Cherie' R. Nottingham.
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