PVAC Minutes 06/06/2005 W
June 6, 2005
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE COLLIER
COUNTY PUBLIC VEHICLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE
WORKSHOP
Naples, Florida, June 6, 2005
LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Collier County Public Vehic1e
Advisory Committee in and for the County of Collier, having conducted
business herein, met on this date at 10:00 AM in WORKSHOP SESSION at
the Collier County Community Development Services Building, 2800 N.
Horseshoe Drive, Conference Room #609, Naples, Florida, with the
following members present:
CHAIRMAN: Allen Walburn (Absent)
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Randy Smith
Russ Berghuis
Tony Marino
Richard Pickett (Alternate)
ALSO PRESENT: Michelle Arnold, Director Code Enforcement
Janet Powers, Operations Mgr/Code Enforcement
Jamie MacKenzie, Administrative Assistant
Tom Palmer, Assistant County Attorney
1
AGENDA
COLLIER COUNTY PUBLIC VEHICLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE
June 6, 2005
After PVAC Meeting
Collier County Community Development Services Building
2800 N. Horseshoe Naples, FL 34104
Conference Room #609
ANY PERSON WHO DECIDES TO APPEAL A DECISION OF THIS BOARD WILL NEED A RECORD
OF THE PROCEEDINGS PERTAINING THERETO, AND THEREFORE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A
VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THAT
TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.
PLEASE ENSURE ALL PAGERS AND CELL PHONES ARE OFF OR IN A QUIET POSITION.
Workshop
I. Discussion Items-
a. Rate increase due to gas prices/what the rate should be
b. Requirement of 1st time certificate holders to attend
orientation of the ordinance (power point show)
c. Review of the driver application (changing language on
the back stating the drivers standards from the ordinance)
d. Ordinance changes
II. Comments
III. Adjourned.
June 6, 2005
WORKSHOP
Several public residents were in attendance: Dale Schultheis, Yellow Cab; Lewis Oxley,
Community Transportation; Debby Ruck, Naples Shuttle Inc.; Fizz Papps, Dolphin
Transportation; Kelly Farrell, Alligator Alley Express, Roger Holmans, Roger's Limo;
Patrick Ellis, Coastline Transportation; Susan Payne, Alligator Alley Express and Doug
Wilcox, Aaron Airport Transportation.
I. Discussion Items:
a. Rate increase due to gas prices/what the rate should be.
SPEAKERS:
Dale Schultheis - Owner Yellow Cab- they are having a difficult time getting
drivers because of the cost of fuel and the rates they charge. The last rate increase
by the BCC was put into effect when gas was $1.25. With the cost of gas being
$1.00 higher, everyone agrees something needs to be done. He suggested up the
Drop Charge $.35 to $2.50 from $2.15. Also suggested raising the "per mileage"
from $2.00 to $2.25. Gives an average increase of $.32 a mile on a 5 mile trip.
These are minimums proposed.
Average number of trips per day- 10-12.
Average length of trips - 5 miles (not including going to the airport)
The sur-charge is no longer in effect but Mr. Schultheis commented he was not in
favor of a sur-charge as a consumer or customer as the charges should all be on
the meter.
Average number of gallons of gas - 18 miles to the gallon, 200-250 miles on a
shift.
Questions/comments and discussion consisted of the following:
· What other Counties are charging - Michelle Arnold mentioned not to
look at what others are charging because of different gas prices and an
Ordinance change would be needed.
· A study had been done the last time a rate increase was approved -
suggested looking at it again and let the Committee decide where to go
and what to do about rates.
· Recovery and a general increase from gas prices
· Need an economic justification for increase/methodology
· Need, from the industry, how much their major expenses have increased-
fuel, insurance, maintenance, tires, cost of vehicles etc. (Income fallen due
to increases.
· Important to get input from the industry to do comparisons
· Get information to staff before next Committee meeting
After much discussion, the Committee directed staffto bring back rate recommendations
for next months meeting.
2
June 6, 2005
b. Requirement of 1st Time Certificate Holders to Attend Orientation of the
Ordinance (Power Point Show) - Jamie MacKenzie
Jamie MacKenzie reported she showed part of the power point presentation at
last months meeting. It would be to reiterate and give a clear view of the
Ordinance. (First time Certificate Holders will attend) Appointments are set-up
for Orientation which takes approx. 1-1 ~ hours. Staff can not mandate
attendance until the Ordinance is passed.
The Committee endorses the Program and Tom Palmer will draft an Ordinance
change for next months meeting.
c. Review of the Driver Application (changing language on the back stating the
Drivers Standards from the Ordinance) - Jamie MacKenzie
Jamie MacKenzie covered the "Driver Standards" from the Ordinance which
they propose to include in the Driver Application.
The Committee agreed.
d. Ordinance Changes - Signage and Driver ID Expirations
Driver ID 's
Michelle Arnold suggested after verifying a background check, a sticker could be
applied to the vehicle by the County. (With expiration date affixed)
There is no expiration date at this time. If they do not have a sticker, it would be
a violation. It is the company's responsibility to make sure the background
checks are done.
Discussion followed on the cost of the County doing backgrounds checks and
Tony Marino suggested staff increase the cost and continue doing them.
Tom Palmer suggested birth month of the driver.
(Michelle Arnold left at 10:35 AM)
Different areas of the Ordinance were looked at and read. Several of the residents
took part in the discussion concerning the ID Expirations. The question was
asked of annual background checks being County, State, or Nationwide.
Confidentiality was a concern.
Janet Powers mentioned they have a mechanism through the Special Master to
address citations if they are in violation. Tom Palmer stated the violations
should remain before the PV AC members. Fines were discussed. This subject
can be added to the Ordinance.
3
June 6, 2005
Tom Palmer will do a rough draft for the next meeting.
SignQf!e
Randy Smith read page 13 of the Ordinance concerning signage.
They are discussing vans only. The Ordinance mentioned:
· No magnetic signs
· No signs on front and back
· Talks about sedans and limos - doesn't include vans
· Ordinance should include vans - need proposal for permissible signs on
vans
· Mandated and authorized by DOT
· How far do they want to expand the Ordinance concerning vans
· Suggested to change the Ordinance to include vans within certain criteria
for lettering etc.
· 50% coverage of the van was discussed ifit doesn't violate State Statutes
(not including windows) as long as it is limited to the business of the van
· Submitting drawings to staff was suggested
· No signage on widows other than what the Ordinance states.
· 30% coverage including windows discussed
· Depends upon form or style of vehicle
· Clarity sign size
Tom Palmer will write a draft, email it to the Committee members for comments
and submit it at the next meeting.
Janet Powers reminded the Committee the BCC has limited summer meetings.
They will strive to get it on the July Agenda and then advertise for Public
Hearing.
There being no further business to discuss, the workshop was adjourned at
11 :32 AM.
Collier County Public Vehicle Advisory Committee
Vice Chairman Randy Smith
4