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EPTAB Minutes 11/08/1993 DRAFT: 11/17/93 APPROVED: ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD MINUTES OF November 8, 1993 Present: Mike Davis Nancy Payton Robert Duane Christopher Hagan David Addison Larry Richardson David Maehr Notified David Land Absence: Gary Beardsley Absent: Steve Means Dorethea Zysko Staff: Bill Lorenz Fran Stallings Mac Hatcher Maura Kraus Dick Hartwell Kevin Dugan Kimberly Polen Public: Stewart Swanson Judy Haner Virginia Corkran Chris Ramsey I. Meeting called to order II. Roll call III. Approval of Minutes: Bob Duane motioned to approve the minutes of October 25, 1993 , approved unanimously. IV. Old Business 1. Dave Maehr reported the outcome of the EPTAB subcommittee meeting that was held one hour prior to the meeting. He stated that the two major landholders representing Barron Collier and Pacific Land Company were dissatisfied with the Camp Keais NRPA model. Their basic questions evolved around the identification of specific boundaries within the Camp Keais NRPA model. They wanted to know how the boundaries were established and what were the justifications for their locations. Larry Richardson mentioned that the three major landholders initiated discussions with Mike Slayton, SFWMD Big Cypress Basin Administrator, regarding a long term water management permit proposal within the Camp Keais area. The proposal is based on the identification and set aside of USCOE jurisdictional wetland areas within Camp Keais. Chris Ramsey stated that a map of the jurisdictional wetlands has been created and distributed to the landholders and SFWMD Big Cypress Basin staff. Dave Maehr expressed concern over scientifically justifying the Camp Keais NRPA model's boundaries. He would have no problem substantiating the wetlands, it's the uplands that may be more difficult. He noted that without the upland buffers there won't be any healthy wetlands. Bob Duane pointed out that maybe the landholders do not understand the possible regulations or benefits involved in the model. Nancy Payton suggested that EPTAB send a letter to the landholders in appreciation for their attendance and ask them to articulate their concerns in writing. Dick Hartwell said after the subcommittee meeting was finished he had a discussion with the landholders. They mentioned that they would be willing to talk and possibly make some negotiations. Mike Davis stated that we have so much work into the project. We need to salvage our Camp Keais NRPA `example' . Dave Maehr suggested that EPTAB should attempt to interact with the coalition (landholders and Mike Slayton) . Fran Stallings asked if any of the members had any doubts that the landholders won't support the examples? Dave Addison expressed an overall feeling of concern that EPTAB should consider the landholders negotiations prior to going forward with the NRPA presentation to the BCC. Fran Stallings explained to EPTAB that if the landholders don't agree with the presentation it will most likely be based on their personal principles. Discussions continued on the deadline, date and timing of the NRPA presentation. Mike Davis will visit Commissioner Saunders and ask him to schedule the NRPA Workshop on an evening when the BCC is not meeting for any other public hearings the same day. Bill Lorenz mentioned when EPTAB makes their presentation to the BCC members they' ll probably ask ETPAB why aren't existing regulations enough to protect the area? Fran Stallings explained the landholders will probably not be in favor of the model. Chris Hagen reminded EPTAB that if a mitigation bank were established, the landholders should be aware of the increased values and opportunities of their properties. Discussions continued regarding alternatives protections if the BCC does not favor EPTAB's proposal. Larry Richardson pointed out that SFWMD sets aside land by volunteer basis as a condition of Surface Water Management Permits. Chris Hagan stated that in certain circumstances the SFWMD has been willing to accept upland compensation as wetland mitigation. Fran Stallings expressed some concern since the SFWMD Lower West Coast Water Supply Plan has not really considered upland protection. Dick Hartwell mentioned that the landholders want long term water use permits and the SFWMD permitting staff is not in favor of long term proposals. Bob Duane suggested that EPTAB should go forward with the concepts (positive or negative) and let the chips fall. How much more can you simplify the concepts? It might be appropriate during the presentation to have staff available to substantiate why regulations are necessary. Mike Davis asked Dave Maehr to set up subcommittee meeting. Virginia Cockran suggested that in order to demonstrate the environmental considerations of the Camp Keais area an overlay of all the jurisdictional agencies delineations and findings should be provided. Dave Maehr explained that this model should not be this complex. Fran Stallings stated that the commissioners are going to base their decisions on the fact that there is either enough regulation or not enough regulation to protect the area. Bill Lorenz said he thought the best and honest answer to the question why the area should be protected is `fragmentation' . The County Government has the local control as to how the land uses will be `driven' in the remaining undeveloped portions of the county. Bob Duane pointed out that in a portion of California agricultural lands have minimum size thresholds. One particular area has been set at 200 acres. V. New Business: 1. Mike Davis mentioned since Gary Beardsley is not present that EPTAB would not review his memo at this time. 2 . Mike Davis asked staff what other deadlines do we have to meet as part of the GMP? Bill Lorenz responded by stating several requirements (e.g. Habitat Protection Plan, Manatee Protection Plan, etc. ) . Bob Duane and Chris Hagen requested to know staff's course of actions and deadline dates. VI. Action Item: Mike Davis and Bill Lorenz are to meet to create a drop deadline list and key work items. VII. Meeting Adjourned: The motion to adjourn was approved unanimously. rr yr t.t_. -1:::1.1. ,.<..„ C '. _h Em n- t o DCy News. 5\-'e czA,_- - ,tea C E--S i ;n ?o/1zS Sc5 ---101\/ 1-16410/ 7--cz--- it..