Agenda 02/09/2010 Item # 9G
Agenda Item No. 9G
February 9, 2010
Page 1 of 25
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Request Board to set the place and time for the Clerk, with the assistance of the County
Attorney's office, to open and count the mail ballots of the nominees to fill the vacancies on
the Pelican Bay Services Division Board.
OBJECTIVE: To set the place and time to count the mail ballots for applicants seeking
membership on the Pelican Bay Services Division Board.
CONSIDERATIONS: This II member Board was established by Ordinance 2002-27 as
amended. The Division provides landscaping services, including all public road maintenance
and park areas, street lighting services, aquatic management services, beach cleaning, and the
Clam Bay Restoration Project. It is the Division's responsibility to provide the framework of
long-term community planning so that residents can enjoy the benefits of Pelican Bay while
ensuring both the social and financial well being of the Pelican Bay Community. A list of the
current membership is included in the backup.
The terms for Gerald A. Moffatt (resident), Theodore S. Gravenhorst, resigned on November 3,
2009 (resident), and Hunter H. Hansen (commercial) will expire on March 31, 2010 and Jill
Kobe (commercial) resigned on December 16, 2009. Ms. Kobe's term expires on March 31,
2013. A press release was issued and resumes were received from the following interested
citizens:
APPLICANT
CATEGORY
DISTRICT
ELECTOR
Johan Domenie Resident 2 Yes
James Halik.., M.E. Resident 2 Yes
Linda Roth-withdrew Resident 2 Yes
John Baron Commercial 3 Yes
John Chandler Resident 2 Yes
Hunter Hansen Commercial 4 Yes
Gerald A. Moffatt Resident 2 Yes
Ordinance 2002-27, Section Eight, subsec. iii, states, "The mail ballots shall be cast directly with
the Clerk. At the place and time stated in the notice of the balloting published by the Board of
County Commissioners, the Clerk, with the assistance of the County Attorney's Office, shall
open and count the ballots, which have been returned to the Clerk as of the date and time stated
in such notice of balloting, in a manner which the Clerk deems advisable and not inconsistent
with the provisions of this Ordinance. Any member of the public shall be entitled to attend and
observe. The determination of the Clerk and the County Attorney of validity of any ballot shall
be final.
THE PLACE AND TIME FOR COUNTING THE BALLOTS RECOMMENDED BY THE
CLERK IS: The Board of County Commissioners' Chambers on March 10,2010 at 12:00 p.m.
FISCAL IMPACT: NONE
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February 9, 2010
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GROWTH MANAGEMENT IMPACT: NONE
RECOMMENDA nON: That the Board of County Commissioners set the place and time to
count the ballots as: The Board of County Commissioners' Chambers on Wednesday, March 10,
2010 at 12:00 p.m. and direct the County Attorney to prepare a resolution confirming the place
and time.
Prepared By: Sue Filson, Executive Manager
Board of County Commissioners
Agenda Date: FEBRUARY 9, 2010
Item Number:
Item Summary:
Meeting Date:
Agenda Item No. 9G
February 9,2010
Page 3 of 25
COLLIER COUNTY
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
9G
Request Board to set Ihe place and time for the Clerk, with the assistance of the County
Attorney's Office, to open and count the mail ballots of the nominees to fill the vacancies on
the Pelican Bay Services Division Board.
2/9/20109:00:00 AM
Date
Prepared By
Sue Filson
Office of Management &
Budget
Executive Manager to the Bce
Office of Management & Budget
Date
Approved By
Mark Isackson
Office of Management &
Budget
ManagementfBudget Analyst, Senior
Office of Management & Budget
11291201010:49 AM
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Pelican Bay Services Division Board
Name
Work Phone Appt'd Exp. Date Term
Home Phone DateRe-appt 2ndExpDate 2nd Term
Mr. Gerald A. Moffatt 09/09/08
1100 L'ambiance Circle, Unit 201 513-1971
Naples, FL 34108
E-Mail: gmoffatt@msn.com
District: 2
Category: Resident
Ms. Jull Kobe (i9'f)lj""e't:OO(
190 Monterey Drive J~A
Naples, FL 34108
E-Mail: jkobe@watersideshops.com
District: 3, .
CategOlj~nercia1lProperty -
03/31/10
1.6 years v"
Mr. Keith J. Dallas
7575 Pelican Bay Blvd., #1603
Naples, FL 34108
E-Mail: keithdallas@comcast.net
District: 2
Category: Resident
598-1605 09/15/09 03/31/13 4 Years /
216-1810
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03/10/09 03/31/13 4 Years
592-7230
Mr. Theodore S. Gravenhorst
505 Via Veneto, #201
Naples, FL 34108
E-Mail: tedgraveDhorst@yahoo.com
District: 2
Category: Resident
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C:>''5 Y'
r 595-2992 11/18/08
514-8221
03/31/10
2 Years V
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Pelican Bay Services Division Board
Name
Work Phone Appt'd Exp. Date Term
Home Phone DateRe-appt 2ndExpDate 2nd Term
Mr. Tom Cravens
6075 Pelican Bay Blvd., #703
Naples, FL 34108
E-Mail: nfnI6799@naples.net
District: 2
Category: Resident
03/10/09
03/31/13
4 Years
594-8256
Mr. Theodore J. Raia
7117 Pelican Bay Blvd., Apt. 404
Naples, FL 34108
E-Mail: tedraia@earthlink.net
District: 2
Category: Resident
03/27/07
03/31/11
4 Years
594-2851
Mr. Geoffrey Scott Gibson 09/09/08 03/31/09 6+ months
8171 Bay Colony Drive, Apt. #1504 566-3179 03/1 0/09 03/31/13 4 Years
Naples, FL 34108
E-Mail: josiegeoff@aol.com
District: 2
Category: Resident
Mr. John laizzo 03/25/03 03/31/07 4 Years
6573 Marissa Loop, #1902 592-Q678 03/27/07 03/31/1I 4 Years
Naples,FL 34108
_~~ail: iai~comcl!1!t.net ----_._-
District: 2
Category: Resident
Mr. Hunter H. Hansen 594-6001 11118/08 03/31/10 1 Years v"
645 Broad Avenue South 692-8722
Naples, FL 34102
E-Mail: hhansen@luxuryresorts.com
District: 4
Category: Commercial
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Pelican Bay Services Division Board
Name
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Work Phone Appt'd Exp. Date Term
Home Phone DateRe-appt 2ndExpDate 2nd Term
2 Years
4 Years
Ms. Mary Anne Womble
816 Kingbird Court
Naples, FL 34108
E-Mail: Teedupl@aoLcom
District: 2
Category: Resident
Mr. Michael Levy
6710 Pelican Bay Blvd., #435
Naples, FL 34108
E-Mail: mikelevyl@earthlink.net
District: 2
Category: Resident
'We;;'esda;;S:;'t;~~/16~
02/27/07
597-8224 03/10/09
03/31109
03/31113
03/27/07
03/31111
594-1741
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4 Years
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February 9, 2010
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Pelican Bay Services Division Board
Name
Work Phone
Home Phone
Appt'd Exp. Date
DateRe-appt 2ndExpDate
Term
2nd Term
This 15 member committee was created by Ord. No. 90-111 and amended by Ord. No. 91-22
and 93-15 to aid and assist the County manager and the Board of County Commissioners in
determining the need and quantity of extraordinary law enforcement in Pelican Bay. Also to aid,
assist, and provide input to the County Manager and the Board in effecting a smooth and
expeditious transfer of street lighting, water management and beautifICation services,
responsibilities and obligations from the Pelican Bay Improvement District. On 1113198 the BCC
reduced the membership from 15 to 13 members. Terms are 4 years. On April 11, 2000, the
BCC adopted Ord. No. 2000-22 reducing the membership from 13 members to 11 members.
On 5/28/02 the BCC adopted Ord. 2002-27 establishing the 11 member committee.
Membership shall be 9 representative of the residential interests within the Unit and 2 shall be
representative of the commercial & business interests within the unit
Terms will expire on March 31
Jay Cross, Executive Assistant to Clerk 732-2725
On 01/24/06 BCC adopted Ord. 2006-05, amending 2002-27 changing the name and
appointment process, and including the restoration of the mangrove foreljl preserve to duties.
FL STAT: 125.01
Staff: Mary McCaughtry, Pelican Bay Services Division: 597-1749
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From:
Sent:
To:
Subject:
lor3lor3@aol.com
Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:17 AM
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PBSD Board Application
Dear Ms. Filson,
I wish to withdraw my application to the PBSD Board immediately.
Could you please let me know if there is anything else I should do to withdraw my application other
than notifying you via this e-mail?
Thank you so much for your kind attention.
Sincerely yours,
Linda Roth
7575 Pelican Bay Blvd. # 1204
Naples, FL 34108
Tel: 254-8889
E-mail: lor3lor3@aol.com
MEMORANDUM
Agenda Item No. 9G
February 9,2010
Page 9 of 25
DATE: January 4,2010
TO: Elections Office
FROM: Sue Filson, Executive Manager
Board of County Commissioners
RE: Voter Registration - Advisory Board Appointments
The Board of County Commissioners will soon consider the following individuals for appointment to
one of the county's advisory committees. Please let me know if those listed below are registered voters
in Collier County.
Also, please list the commission district in which each applicant resides.
PELICAN BAY SERVICES DIVISION BD
COMMISSION DIS1RICT
Johan Domenie
749 Bentwater Circle, #201
Naples, FL 34108
2
James Halikas, M.D.
783 Tramore Lane
Naples, FL 34108
2
Linda Roth
7575 Pelican Bay Blvd., #1204
Naples, FL 34108
2
John Baron
1083 Albany Court
Naples, FL 34105
3
John Chandler
6361 Pelican Bay Blvd., #502
Naples, FL 34108
2
Hunter Hansen
645 Broad Avenue South
Naples, FL 34102
4
Gerald A. Moffatt
1100 L' Ambiance Circle, #201
Naples, FL 34108
2
Thank you for your help.
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February 9, 2010
Page 10 of 25
MEMORANDUM
DATE:
January 4,2010
TO:
Sue Barbiretti, Clerk's Office~
Sue Filson, Executive Manage ·
Board of County Commission '
FROM:
RE:
Pelican Bay Services Division Board
As you know, we currently have 4 vacancies on the above-referenced advisory committee. A press release
was issued requesting citizens interested in serving on this committee to submit an application for
consideration. I have attached the applications received for your review as follows:
Johan Domenie
749 Bentwater Circle, #201
Naples, FL 34108
James Halikas, M.D.
783 Tramore Lane
Naples, FL 34108
Linda Roth
7575 Pelican Bay Blvd., #1204
Naples, FL 34108
John Baron
1083 Albany Court
Naples, FL 34105
John Chandler
6361 Pelican Bay Blvd., #502
Naples, FL 34108
Hunter Hansen
645 Broad A venue South
Naples, FL 34102
Gerald A. Moffatt
1100 L' Ambiance Circle, #201
Naples, FL 34108
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Page 11 of 25
Please let me know, in writing, the recommendation for the balloting date which is to be presented to the
Board of County Commissioners in late January or early February and I will prepare an executive
surrunary for the Board's consideration.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
SF
Attachments
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hobodory@comcastnet
Sunday, January 03, 20106:03 PM
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New On-line Advisory Board Application Submitted
Advisory Board Application Form
Collier County Government
3301 E. Tamiami Trail
Naples, FL 34112
(239)252-8606
Application was reeeived on: 113120106:03:14 PM.
Name: ~OHAN (JOHN) DOMENIEI Home Phone: 1239-566-31791
Home Address: 1749 BENTWATER CIRCLE #2011
City: INAPLESI Zip Code: ~4108-67621
Phone Numbers
Fax: ~ Business: ~
.Mail Address: Ihobodorv@comcasl.netl
Board / Committee Applied for: !PELICAN BAY SERVICES DIVISION!
Category: lNot indicated!
Work Place: IRETIRED!
How long have you lived in Collier County: !more than 151
Have you ever been convicted of any offense against the law? ~
lNot Indicated!
Do you or your employer do business with the County? ~
IN ot Indicated!
.
NOTE: All advisory board members must update their profile and notify the Board of County
Commissioners in the event that their relationship changes relating to memberships of
organizations that may benefit them in the outcome of advisory board recommendations or they
enter into contracts with the County.
Would you and/or any organizations with whom you are affiliated benefit from decisions or
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recommendations made by this advisory board? ~
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!Not Indicated!
~ you a registered voter in Collier County? ~
Do yon currently hold public office? ~
Do you currently or ever served on a Collier County Board or Committee? ~
!PELICAN BAY SERVICES DNISION - 7 YEARs!
Education:
/HARVARD '50; BA ECONOMICSI
Ex erience:
SSIST ANT-TREASURER ATLANTIC REFINING - BRAZIL SENIOR VP - SA YERlSCHE
OTHEKEN-UND- WECHSEL BANK 22- YEAR ROUND RESIDENT OF PELICAN SAY, INVOLVE
COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES, AS SHOWN ABOV
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Agenda Item No. 9G
February 9, 2010
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ahalikas@comcast.net
Sunday. January 03,20105:31 PM
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New On-line Advisory Board Application Submitted
Advisory Board Application Form
Collier County Government
3301 E. Tamiami Trail
Naples, FL 34112
(239)252-8606
Application was received on: 1/3120105:30:51 PM.
Name: ~ames Halikas M.D.! Home Phone: ~39-597-5122/
Home Address: 1783 Tramore Lane!
City: ~ Zip Code: ~
Phone Numbers
Fax: ~39-593-0543! Business: ~39-592-7535!
.Mail Address: Iahalikas1ii:comcast.ned
Board / Committee Applied for: !pelican Bay Services Board/
Category: !Not indicated/
Work Place: ! My Office, 5445 Park Central Court, Naples, 341091
How long have you lived in Collier County: ~
Have you ever been convicted of any offense against the law? ~
!Not Indicated/
Do you or your employer do business with the County? ~
!Not Indicated/
.
NOTE: All advisory board members must update their profile and notifY the Board of County
Commissioners in the event that their relationship changes relating to memberships of
organizations that may benefit them in the outcome of advisory board recommendations or they
enter into contracts with the County.
Would you and/or any organizations with whom you are afmiated benefit from decisions or
1
recommendations made by tbis advisory board? ~
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!Not Indicated!
~re you a registered voter in Collier County? ~
Do yon currently bold public office? ~
Do you currently or ever served on a Collier County Board or Committee? ~
!Not Indicated!
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lor3lor3@aol.com
Sunday, January 03.20104:34 PM
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New On-line Advisory Board Application Submitted
Advisory Board Application Form
Collier County Government
3301 E. Tamiami Trail
Naples, FL 34112
(239)252-8606
Application was received on: 113120104:33:31 PM.
Name: /Linda Roth! Home Phone: 1239-254-88891
Home Address: 17575 Pelican Bay Blvd. # 12041
City: ~ Zip Code: ~
Phone Numbers
Fax: Business:
.Mail Address: llor3lor3f(i)aol.comJ
Board / Committee Applied for: IPBSD Board/
Category: !Not indicated/
Work Place: jRetired/
How long have you lived in Collier County: H]
Have you ever been convicted of any offense against the law? ~
!Not Indicated/
Do you or your employer do business with the County? ~
!Not Indicated/
.
NOTE: All advisory board members must update their profile and notify the Board of County
Commissioners in the event that their relationship changes relating to memberships of
organizations that may benefit them in the outcome of advisory board recommendations or they
enter into contracts with the County.
Would you and/or any organizations with whom you are affIliated benefit from decisions or
1
recommendations made by this advisory board? ~
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!Not Indicated!
~re you a registered voter in Collier County? ~
Do you currently hold public office? ~
Do you currently or ever served on a Collier County Board or Committee? ~
!Not Indicated!
; M.S. 1986, Universi 0
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a'rom:
Went:
To:
Subject:
jbaron@watersideshops.com
Monday, December 28, 2009 11 :58 AM
filson s
New On-line Advisory Board Application Submitted
Advisory Board Application Form
Collier County Government
3301 E. Tamiami Trail
Naples, FL 34112
(239)252-8606
Application was received on: 12/28/2009 11:58:23 AM.
Name: ~ohn Baro~ Home Phone: ~39-643-33241
Home Address: 11083 Albany Court!
City: ~ Zip Code: 1341051
Phone Numbers
Fax: ~39-598-17731 Business: ~39-598-16051
_Mail Address: libaron1u'watersideshops.coml
Board / Committee Applied for: !pelican Bay Services Division Board/
Category: !Not indicated!
Work Place: tw aterside Shop~
How long have you lived in Collier County: [Ig
Have you ever been convicted of any offense against the law? ~
!Not Indicated!
Do you or your employer do business with the County? ~
!Not Indicated!
.
NOTE: All advisory board members must update their profile and notifY the Board of County
Commissioners in the event that their relationship changes relating to memberships of
organizations that may benefit them in the outcome of advisory board recommendations or they
enter into contracts with the County.
Would you and/or any organizations with whom you are affiliated benefit from decisions or
1
recommendations made by this advisory board? ~
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~ot Indicated/
Are you a registered voter in Collier County? ~
Do you currently hold public office? ~
Do you currently or ever served on a Collier County Board or Committee? ~
!Not Indicated/
Please list your community activities:
Education:
S de ee from Florida State Universi
Associate of Arts de
in Business Administratio
s Assistant General Mana er Saks Fifth A ven
,
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Board of County Commissioners 4. . .
~ 3301 East Tamiami Trail
Naples, FL 341I2 ,
(239) 252-8606 ,
Fax: (239) 252-6406 'V _
'II . !Application for Advisory Committees/Board;- r~
Name: Jolln Chandler
Home Phone: 239-592-7206
Home Address: 6361 Pelican Bay Blvd, Unit 502
Zip Code: 34108
Fax No. N/A Business Phone:N/A
e-mail address:jpcbae@comcast.net
Place of Employment: Retired
Board or Committee Applied for: Pelican Ipy Stlrviees Division
res IPC, "..,-
How long have you Dved in Collier County: 5 years fuU time; 13 years part time
Are yon a registered voter in Collier Connty: Yes
Do you currently hold public of'llee? No
Have you ever been convicted of any offense against the Law? No
Do you or your employer do business with the County? No
Would you and/or any organizations with whom you are affiliated benellt from decisions or recommendatious
made by tbis advisory board? No
NOTE: AU advisory board members must update their profile and uolify the Board of County Commissinners
in the eveat that their relatiouship changes relating to memberships of organizatious that may beuellt them in
the outcome of advisory board recommendations or they enter into contracts with the County.
Do you now serve, or have you ever served, on a Collier County board or
committee? No
Please list your eommnnity activities (civic clubs, neighborhood associations, etc. and positions held:
St. Lucia Condominium Association, Inc.-Have served as Treasurer and as President
Educatiou: BBA and MBA from the University of Michigan
CPA, State of Dlinois
Business Experience:
Geueral Management:
President, Roadway Package System (now FedEI Ground)
President, Intrenet
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.. Financial Management:
VP-Administration & Treasurer, Roadway Servlc:es
VP-Finance & Administration, Roadway Package System
Controller, Engine Division, International Harvester
Various Controllership positions, Chrysler Corporation
Pkau _* """ IIlIdiIkJMI uv..-It you feel potiIreIIt. TIJis appI/ctdiolt _hi be fonwuded to s.e FiIsoII, E:ucrltive
MtUUIger to tit. BOIUd ofCotul(Jl ~ 3301 EII8I TomiIUIti TnrJl, Ntlpia, FL 34112, IfyOll wislJ,Jlk-ftIXyour
appliCllJioIl to (239)252-6406 or e-1IIIllI to suelilson(il.'('olli(!T1!ov.net. Thank YOIllor vobmteerlng to serve the citizens of
com., Coultty.
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From:
Sent:
To:
Subject:
hunter. hansen@hilton.com
Tuesday, January 05,201010:13 AM
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New On-line Advisory Board Application Submitted
Advisory Board Application Fonn
Collier County Government
3301 E. Tamiami Trail
Naples, FL 34112
(239)252-8606
Application was received on: 1/512010 10:13:26 AM.
Name: !Hunter Hansen! Home Phone: 1239-692-87221
Home Address: 1645 Broad Avenue Soutbj
City: ~ Zip Code: ~
Phone Numbers
Fax: 1239-597-3128/ Business: 1239-594-60011
e-Mail Address:h1Unter.hansen(i~hilton.coml
Board / Committee Applied for: !pelican Bay Services Division Board!
Category: /Not indicated!
Work Place: /Naples Grande Beach Resonj
How long have you lived in Collier County: B
Have you ever been convicted of any offense against the law? ~
/Not Indicated!
Do you or your employer do business with the County? ~
!yes, we manage Clam Pass Beach Concession!
NOTE: All advisory board members must update their profile and notify the Board of County
Commissioners in the event that their relationship changes relating to memberships of
organizations that may benefit them in the outcome of advisory board recommendations or they
enter into contracts with the County.
Would you and/or any organizations with whom you are affiliated benefit from decisions or
1
recommendations made by this advisory board? ~
IN ot Indicated!
Are you a registered voter in Collier County? ~
Do you currently hold public office? ~
Do you c!lrrentIy or ever served on a Collier County Board or Committee? ~
/pelican Bay Services Division Board/
Please list your community activities:
~
Education:
IBSBA University ofDenveq
Experience:
!Hotel Industry for 38 Years.1
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Monday, December 07, 2009 5:25 PM
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New On-line Advisory Board Application Submitted
Advisory Board Application Form
Collier County Government
3301 E. Tamiami Trail
Naples, FL 34112
(239)252-8606
Application was received on: 121712009 5:25:22 PM.
Name: /Gerald A. Moffauj Home Phone: /239-513-19711
Home Address: 11100 L'Ambiance Circle, #2011
City: ~ Zip Code: /341081
Phone Numbers
Fax: /239-514-431 ~ Business:
eMait Address: bamoffaWiilmsn.coml
Board / Committee Applied for: !pelican Bay Services Division!
Category: /Residen~
Work Place: /Retired!
How long have you lived in Collier County: !more than 151
Have you ever been convicted of any offense against the law? ~
!Not Indicated!
Do you or your employer do business with the County? ~
!Not Indicated!
NOTE: All advisory board members must update their profile and notify the Board of County
Commissioners in the event that their relationship changes relating to memberships of
organizations that may benefit them in the outcome of advisory board recommendations or they
enter into contracts with the County.
.
Would you and/or any organizations with whom you are affiliated benefit from decisions or
1
recommendations made by this advisory board? ~
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Jot Indicated!
Are you a registered voter in Collier County? ~
Do you currently hold public office? ~
Do you currently or ever served on a Collier County Board or Committee? ~
/pelican Bay Services Divisioq
Education:
IBs in Commerce and Finance, Wilkes University!
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